Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard

Mina Kimes’s Celebrity Jeopardy! semi-final featured a Guardian of the Galaxy from the Marvel Cinematic Universe and a tech millionaire podcaster. How did Mina do? The answer: NOT a Daily Double. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:45Pablo Torre?

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• 1:27Pablo Torre?

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• 2:10Pablo Torre?

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• 2:54Pablo Torre?

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• 3:14Speaker 02

  I am the coach who kicks the field goal instead of going for it.

• 3:19Pablo Torre?

  Right after this ad.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  You're listening to DraftKings Network.

• 3:37Pablo Torre?

  We're not walking into therapy right now, Dan. We're really not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. Um, hi, Mina.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Hello, hi.

• 3:46Pablo Torre?

  The good news is that you missed Dan's preamble. The bad news is that I think, I, Mina's giving double thumbs up. Uh, the bad news is that I think you may have over-prepared for this show. Because I just went through the game tape of Mina on Jeopardy.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  I didn't watch it.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  Wait a minute, you guys didn't tell me anything. I'm walking into a bit of a trap here. I've watched you guys with great, uh, joy, uh, bravely go on celebrity game shows and throw your celebrity into the air to have fun and test your wits against people famously. But Celebrity Jeopardy's a little easier than the other Jeopardys. Are we doing just narcissism on examining how did we do Let's Talk About Ourselves? We love doing the game shows?

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Pablo, it's your show. You're the one who wants to talk about this.

• 4:35Pablo Torre?

  As always, and for real, what Mina is saying is, is, is a true fact, Dan. Uh, she has not watched it? She told me that she was physically unable to bring herself to watch it. And so the reason we're doing it on the show like this is because we're gonna make her watch it.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Pablo obviously loves making content out of our lives. You both do. It's something you clearly have in common.

• 5:00Pablo Torre?

  What I'm gonna do is take us on a ride.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  A ride.

• 5:02Pablo Torre?

  A ride, a ride into a studio, a hallowed studio. And on the stage, Dan is an actor from the Marvel Cinematic Universe named Sean Gunn, known as Guardian of the Galaxy, a dude who hosts, in my opinion, you know, a kind of odious podcast, All In, named David Friedberg, and our good friend, Mina Kimes.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Why was Mina shaking her head at All In? I don't, what, what happened there? A kind of odious podcast?

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I was nodding in agreement. I'm also not a fan.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  As far as celebrity goes on Jeopardy, the celebrities are not a high end of celebrities. Mina might be the most famous one here. Hold on a second. Guardians of the Galaxy is a wonderful franchise. Great writing, great acting. Not a lot of famous people coming out of the Guardians of the Galaxy Universe from behind the scenes, from small characters.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  The other thing that's important to note is we're in the semis now, right? So a lot of the real, the most celebrity of the celebrities have been called.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  Okay, see, all right. So now we're just, now let's say what this is. This is the bottom feeder at the last rung of cheap television, where we go get people who call them celebrities. And Mina's a celebrity, but I don't know if those other two people are.

• 6:21Pablo Torre?

  Mina, as much as you reject that title, what you are objectively is somebody who had prepared. You said on air that you may have scrolled some subreddits. Clearly, you talked to our friend Katie Nolan, with whom we've done an episode along these lines with her on this program. You have and had, I think, for those not familiar with her Celebrity Family Feud performance, a real competitive side.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, very competitive. This is why I can't bring myself to watch this episode of Jeopardy.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Without watching it, I know that how competitive I was probably started manifesting itself on the stage at some point in the final third of the episode when I was about to crush my buzzer in my bare hands like a lemon. Just infuriating. I could not buzz in to save my life.

• 7:29Pablo Torre?

  The issue, Dan, is that it didn't emerge in the final third, Mina Kimes versus the buzzer. It emerged in the first third.

• 7:37Speaker 04

  Utah's revamped state flag features a beehive. Once favored by Brigham Young as an emblem of this religion. Dave? What is Mormonism? Yes. 24601.

• 7:49Pablo Torre?

  Just watch. Just watch. Mina holds her buzzer.

• 7:53Speaker 04

  Presumably French bread in this blockbuster. Sean? What is le Miserable? Right. A thousand years. It's how long the hills have been alive with songs they have sung, whatever that means, in this musical. Dave? What is the sound of?

• 8:06Pablo Torre?

  Mina's holding her buzzer above the podium so everybody can see this. And it's...

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Not why I was doing it.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Okay, I have so much here. Where can I start? I'd like to know, first of all, how much soul ravaging you do with unforgiveness when you're being competitive and you're losing. Like, how mean are you to yourself?

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Well, first of all, I was winning. We were showing questions where I couldn't buzz in, but I was very frustrated, obviously. Because here's the thing. Okay, so I'll just get right to it. The thing about Celebrity Jeopardy is, as you have seen, if you're watching this, or if you watched it, the questions are easy. So by the time you get to the second round, most of the contestants know the answers to all of the questions, and it becomes a buzzing contest, right? And the thing about the buzzer... Is you have a window to buzz in. If you buzz in too early, you get locked out. And because I don't have good hand eye, clearly, I don't play video games. That might have been good practice for this. I just kept getting locked out and then losing my [BLEEP]. So it becomes a lot about like quick twitch. Sorry, I'm in draft world.

• 9:14Pablo Torre?

  Mina is so clearly, obviously in draft mode right now.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  It's really a hand eye. And the other guys, again, to their defense, because I think they knew most of the answers. Certainly, the guy next to me did. He was getting frustrated because he couldn't buzz in in the first round. So it's just, it becomes like a buzzing contest. It's very frustrating.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  I'm assuming, Pablo, I'm assuming. I don't know, but based on your team of reporters and how you like to make fun of me, I'm assuming that I'm about to make an admission here that I've never made before, a secret that I've kept for 30 years. Because you have in your video compartment, my only game show appearance ever, where I can admit now, only all of these years later, that I do not have the benefit of actually the credibility that Mina does. Where I actually believe her buzzer was not quick enough, and she knew the answers to all those questions. The thing I'm about to admit.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  We all did.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Well, on Boardwalk and Baseball with Chris Berman, when I got a single answer right and we got our ass kicked by Oklahoma, the answer was forward and I only got it right. My brother made fun of me till his deathbed, because there was 10 seconds of silence and I finally got to be faster than other people. It's also the only thing I knew. I was pretending that the buzzer wasn't working because I was consistently coming in late after people had an answer I did not have, because I was so insecure about the fact that I wasn't getting anything right.

• 10:42Pablo Torre?

  Oh, my God.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  That's right. I'm sorry to admit it.

• 10:45Pablo Torre?

  So we played this video of Dan in this thing in what appears to be the 1950s before.

• 10:53Pablo Torre?

  Dan has a particular like tinted hand.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  But it wasn't the buzzer. I was pretending. I was getting my ass kicked and I was faking it.

• 10:59Pablo Torre?

  Well, it explains. Mina, Mina, it explains something, which is that when you do watch it, you see how late Dan is. Now that I know that he's tanking.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Choking, not tanking.

• 11:13Pablo Torre?

  It changes so much.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Just choking, or not even choking. Choking would be if I knew the answers. The questions were too hard. Mina, the question, Mina goes on Celebrity Jeopardy, everybody knows the answers. That's disappointing.

• 11:24Pablo Torre?

  Well, hold on. Look, it's, I would argue that it's impressive that Mina goes on runs like this.

• 11:32Speaker 04

  This moon of Saturn, or an NFL player from Tennessee. Mina. What is a titan? Can to titan. H O T T O G O. You can take me hot to go. Mina. Who is Chaperone? Yes, Chaperone. Did you see that gymnast, Stepheneta Rosick, in the Olympics? He only does one exercise. I can't remember what it's called. Mina. What is pommahorse? Right. A boy in Maine sold Greenwood's Champion ear protectors after patenting this type of winter headgear in 1877. Mina. What are earmuffs? That's right. He's the inventor of the earmuffs.

• 12:01Pablo Torre?

  Okay, I forgot that the first question in that montage was about what team is in Tennessee? That maybe wasn't as impressive.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Well, no, but I, but you know what? I want to look at her face again after that because I did think she found it funny how easy that question was, but you seemed happier than with the other questions and the answers that you were getting right.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  The emotion you're trying to identify is actually relief because I was like, thank God I didn't miss the football question. Because that was my worst nightmare going on this show is that there would be a football category and that I would lose the category, thus giving ammunition to my haters for decades.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Good to play that game with great, great fear. Yes. Mina Kimes, that's right. Mina Kimes, who has done now 70 mock drafts and wants to get every one of the picks right because she's competitive. Is afraid that the internet is gonna mock her because

• 12:52Speaker 02

  I don't care about getting the picture.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  A Jeopardy! question she gets wrong about the Titans.

• 12:56Pablo Torre?

  If you're to talk about the most essential skill for Mina as a Jeopardy! draft prospect, the thing that I think is so important that becomes very clear in this episode, in the semifinal, is the Daily Double.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Oh, God. This is the part that I don't wanna watch. This is the thing that haunted me. I can't even believe myself to watch.

• 13:15Pablo Torre?

  We gotta walk through it. There's a build here. Because Mina, at this point in the story, has $9,700. That's great. She's in control. But this thing, which was a strength in Mina's first celebrity Jeopardy! win, which got her to the semifinal, becomes very relevant.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Thinking about the Roman Empire for 600.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  Answer Daily Double. What do you wanna wager?

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Uh, 700.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Just 700, alright. 1,400 if you're right in thinking about the Roman Empire. Okay, so I've burned our lasagna. At least I'm not this fifth Roman emperor who, legend says, fiddled while Rome burned.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Who is Nero?

• 13:53Speaker 04

  It was Nero, yes. Could've bet a little more there, Mina.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  I know, I'm such a coward. I know.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  Keep it in mind for next time. So, like...

• 14:02Pablo Torre?

  "Keep it in mind for next time" is a very impressive prophecy from Ken Jennings.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  He was disappointed in me. I could feel it. I could feel his...

• 14:14Pablo Torre?

  We all could feel it.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Can I say something? I think Ken wanted me to win.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  What? That's scandalous. That's scandalous. He can't be biased. That's unbelievable. What claim are you making?

• 14:26Pablo Torre?

  We're finding out stuff. We're finding out stuff here, Dan.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  We had a personal connection a little bit. He's from the Seattle... He's a big Seattle sports fan. We had bonded a little bit about that.

• 14:36Pablo Torre?

  He's a fan of Mina's. He's an actual fan of Mina's, in a real way.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Because she was the only celebrity on that show who's not Ken Jennings.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Well, he's great. And I could feel his disappointment in my cowardly, bullsh** Daily Double strategy, and I was disappointed. You could see it. I mean, that's just the disgust.

• 14:53Pablo Torre?

  As soon as she knew the answer, he was bummed.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  But let's cover the math of this, though, because can we look at it again? Did you instantaneously realize that you were a coward? Like that...

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, you could literally see me, when the question comes up, be like, "You idiot."

• 15:06Speaker 03

  So wait, so hold on, hold on. Let me go back a second.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I am the coach who kicks the field goal instead of going for it! I am, I, my whole career is devoted to calling these coaches out on cowardly game management. And then, when I was in that situation, I panicked. Like, a word I can't say.

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• 19:06Speaker 03

  All right, so can you answer this question for me, though? You are rooting, as a competitive person, to get the Daily Double, correct?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes, you want, I was hunting, we were all, so this is another thing. In the first game, I was hunting for them. In the second game, we all were. So, you know, everybody's kind of playing in a different way.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  So you're not scared of it in any way, but why?

• 19:26Speaker 02

  No, you want the Daily Double.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  But why did you get scared when you got the Daily Double?

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Because I'm a loser. I don't know.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  But what happened? I'm asking you, take me through the thinking process of, so you're leading and you're afraid that you're gonna make a bet that does such bad math that you're gonna call, that you're so nervous that-

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Yes, I was nervous I was gonna blow my lead. I was like, I'm in control of this [BLEEP]. I've been dominating the categories.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  So you're lacking faith in yourself. The reason you become a coward is because despite the fact that you're crushing this, you know the answers, they're easy questions. At the moment of truth, you're saying, "I will not bet this much money on the belief that I can do math correctly right now."

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Not about the belief that I can do math correctly, just like the fear, like, what if this is the one question I don't know and I bet like $4,000 and suddenly I no longer have a big lead?

• 20:13Speaker 03

  But why wouldn't you bet on yourself?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Because it's risk aversion. It's like, oh, I, it was more, even more so than I think the fear of losing it. It was overconfidence in my ability to keep buzzing in and dominating, right? Which, again, to go back to the NFL, that is like how dumb coaches think. Like, oh, we're gonna keep, we're gonna get another chance to drive the field again. You never know, right? And it's just, it was like idiotic. I don't know. That was Pablo, by the way, the one thing I didn't want to re-watch because the buzzer thing is frustrating, but like I felt like that was a little bit out of my control. That was in my control and I [BLEEP] up.

• 20:50Pablo Torre?

  This is a hell of a press conference, a post-game press conference that Mina is giving. Who, among the NFL coaches that you wished you were, who's the guy you think over, you're like, I should have channeled more of?

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Dan Campbell.

• 21:01Pablo Torre?

  Because I would wager that Sean Gunn, the best character this character actor has played, was the role of Dan Campbell in this contest.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  Answer. Daily Double.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  I don't want to watch this.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Let's bet 5,000. Oh no, she loses.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  You'll be in the lead by $200 if you're right in

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Can we do a different subject? I'm tired of this.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Hey Thebes, I was expelled from Pency Prep.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Meet me at the carousel and wear galoshes. Holden.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  What is the catcher in the ring?

• 21:30Speaker 04

  That's correct. You are suddenly in the lead.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Everyone knows that. Why didn't, like, [BLEEP] me.

• 21:36Pablo Torre?

  What we just saw was what Mina's football nightmare looks like in Jeopardy. So Sean Gunn is going Dan Campbell. And so Mina does get the ball back. And yes, there's another run downfield, by the way, just in fairness.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  I'm so tired of this. Advanced Anamalia for 1,200.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Answer Daily Double.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Um, I will do...

• 22:01Speaker 02

  2,000.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  You dumb coward.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  Advanced Anamalia. Scarabia de sacra. That's a much more appealing designation than its stinkier name, dung this.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  What is a beetle?

• 22:13Speaker 04

  Dung beetle, yeah, you're back on top.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  The face of someone who knows she's an idiot.

• 22:19Pablo Torre?

  But you're back on top. She's back on top, Dan. This is, unfortunately, a seesaw. We're learning. It's a seesaw between her and, uh, and Sean.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Uh, this is wildly entertaining. Where do we end here? Because this has been a roller. It's been a roller coaster.

• 22:36Pablo Torre?

  Well, the seesaw, right, takes us through Triple Jeopardy. And we do see, for those not watching on YouTube, we do see a bit more of the buzzer here.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Cracuta, cracuta. Love it two times. Such a better name for the African scavenger, commonly known as the spotted this. Sean.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  What is hyena?

• 22:57Speaker 04

  Good for 1,500.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Let's go to rhyme time 300.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  It's a cucumber preserved in brine that has an irritating tendency to change its mind. Sean.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  What is a fickle pickle?

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  Losing my [BLEEP].

• 23:09Speaker 03

  Anamalia 300.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Orsinus orca. Was that so hard? And yet people still insist on calling it a killer this. Sean.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  What is a whale?

• 23:18Speaker 02

  I was convinced my thing was broken at that point. Losing it. The questions are so easy.

• 23:26Pablo Torre?

  The scores. The scores, Dan. Sean Gunn, 20,500. Mina Kimes, a very respectable 16,400. Dave Friedberg, a distant third, $8,400. Not really a factor is where we are at this point in the story.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  I can't believe how human this is. Mina, you're sitting here savaging yourself about how idiotic this is. And who doesn't understand, even though you're crushing it, a lack of confidence in yourself, even after all of these easy questions, because you really, because...

• 24:05Speaker 02

  You're still on about the Daily Doubles, you're talking about.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I'm talking, what I'm talking about is the pressure of the moment, making you make smaller bets when the biggest bets would have been on yourself. And it's just so interesting to not, to not have the confidence in that moment. Because, see, I, I think I would be afraid to do all of this in front of people, vulnerably, allowing them to examine whether or not you're quote unquote, "smart enough" or "fast enough", by get, by testing your intelligence on television. I don't think I'd want to do that. It doesn't seem like it would be, it seemed like it would be pressurized even for charity. So to get in that situation, be plagued by it, however nervous you were before it, if you were indeed nervous, get to the moment, be crushing it, and then not have confidence when you have a moment to slow down and think.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  It really wasn't, it wasn't like a lack of confidence. I was, let me, I'll be straight up with you guys. I don't watch Jeopardy. I'm not a Jeopardy person. So I did a little bit of research into betting strategy, which comes up at the end. I did not ask anyone about Daily Doubles. And I do think if I had asked someone, a Jeopardy person, they would have explained to me, "You should bet a lot." So it was actually less like, "Oh, I'm so afraid I get this wrong," although that's a little bit of it. And I think like, I just didn't prepare for it at all. Like, I didn't think through, "Hey, this is your opportunity. These questions are easy. You know all of them. Establish a lead." My brain like hadn't even thought through Daily Doubles at all.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  I've never heard of you being...

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Katie told me, like, try to find them. I didn't think about like, "Okay, what do I do if I get these?" And I do believe if I had, somebody had told me, "Hey, you should bet a lot," I probably would have bet a lot. So it was really like a lack of preparation on my part.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Pablo, but when you tell me, this is the part that I'm finding. Go ahead and tell me all the times that Mina has been caught on national television, where her credibility might be on the line, or her intelligence, and there's a lack of preparation.

• 25:56Pablo Torre?

  What I can't get over is just that Mina, for those not watching, is in full NFL coach behind a mic podium posture, just like, just really disappointed in herself. The strategy around the Daily Doubles, hunting them but not maximizing them.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been told to hunt them.

• 26:15Pablo Torre?

  Yes, the thing about Mina that I so appreciate is that she hates nothing, few things more, I would, I would dare say, than not having the right strategy.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  I was so pissed walking out of there because I felt like I had, I just strategically didn't prepare for the right things, and I didn't think through it, and I was really mad at myself.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  That is choking, though, right, Mina? So, like, wait, let's, hold on, so let's examine this for a second, and I don't want this to be with-

• 26:40Pablo Torre?

  Okay, well, Dan, Dan's now in the, in the audience of reporters, asking questions of the coach.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Yes, well, because I don't want this to be withering criticism, but it seems to me that this would be textbook definition choking. Yes, Coach?

• 27:00Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I don't think I dominated to the point where it's textbook choking. Like, I don't, like, I couldn't, I didn't buzz in, like, that's not, that, the guy had a lead, you know, I choked on the Daily Doubles, and I think that's where, that's why that was the hardest for me to watch, because that was my fault, but, like, I couldn't buzz in, like, I knew pretty much every answer, and I just couldn't buzz in. And that's not choking, that's just not being as good at it.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy that in a moment makes you go, "Ah!" Because all of a sudden, you're scared-

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm saying in those moments, but not over, like, I don't think I choked away the entire game, is all I'm saying. I think I choked on the Daily Doubles.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Coach, you lost.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, Skip, sometimes you lose.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Because you didn't prepare well enough. That's not choking. Choking is when you're the overwhelming favorite. You should absolutely win. You should be dominating and you [bleep] it up.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  All right, so.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  I did make mistakes in big moments.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  Coach, why wasn't your team prepared? Coach, that's your job too.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  That's, that's the biggest question. I wish, I actually wish I had done more prep into the actual gameplay. I should have [bleep] watched Jeopardy.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Your team was unprepared.

• 28:11Pablo Torre?

  Hold on, hold on.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  You didn't watch any game tape.

• 28:13Pablo Torre?

  What, what, what Coach Kimes is.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  I watched a little bit. I watched, like, Katie sent me, like, I watched an episode of Celebrity Jeopardy just to understand because it's a little different. But I, I didn't, like, the, yeah, sorry.

• 28:24Pablo Torre?

  What, what, what she, no, I'm just, I'm just pointing something out. What, what Coach Kimes is saying is something that I thought I would never hear, which is that she didn't grind enough tape.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  It's just crazy to me. I can't, like, Pablo knew. Look, I will tell.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  I don't know, Dan, I have a [bleep] full-time job. It was during the middle of the football season and I had a one-year-old baby. I only had so much time to get ready for this game show.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. It's not even football season.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  This is the maddest I've ever been.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  It's not even football season.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Oh, by the way, we tape these ba, I was the only person who had to go back to back. I taped that right after my first episode. So I'm like freaking exhausted.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  That sounds like.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  A little bit of competitive disadvantage if you want to know.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  That sounds like a bunch of excuses, Coach. I didn't prepare. I didn't watch game tape. I didn't panic. I have a one-year-old.

• 29:14Pablo Torre?

  This is the Steelers saying we have to play three games in 11 days.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  The thing I regretted was not researching dating doubles. It's the only thing I regret.

• 29:29Pablo Torre?

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• 32:49Speaker 03

  Can you imagine Dan Campbell after a loss, fourth down decision? Eh, I have a one-year-old.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  I think he would probably have lost in Celebrity Jeopardy.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  She is so mad right now, Pablo. And I don't know whether she's mad at you or me, or herself. I don't even know what those rankings would be.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Well, I was mad at myself, but I've transitioned away from being mad at myself to being annoyed by this line of questioning.

• 33:17Pablo Torre?

  To being annoyed by Dan Bayless.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  It's been 30 minutes, by the way. Are we talking about anything else today?

• 33:23Pablo Torre?

  I didn't realize we would spend 30 minutes without actually showing you Final Jeopardy.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  Film festivals is the category. Here's the clue, players.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  So this is what really pissed me off.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Called the premier movie industry event for the Balkans, this festival began 30 years ago while the city was under siege.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  I know about the Balkans. I know what cities are in there. I know what cities were racked by conflict 30 years ago. I absolutely could have deduced this if I had just used simple context clues and geography. But at this point, I was like, I'm gonna lose, this is over. I was so flustered by Triple Jeopardy that I just panic picked. And I was so worried about getting the betting strategy wrong, which was actually kind of the one thing I did prepare for, and I did get it right. I thought I got it wrong in the moment, but later on, I realized I got it right.

• 34:11Pablo Torre?

  This part, the time pressure, is the scariest part of this entire game show.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:16Pablo Torre?

  You only have so much time, you gotta get the answer, you gotta write it down. You will see in the answers to come, the writing, people are panicking.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Pablo, Pablo, this is why your Family Feud moment is... I mean, it's a game show moment from the dreams to have reached through that time period on Family Feud and not panicked and gave those answers. Like, you had the opposite of...

• 34:39Speaker 02

  The most obvious answers in the world.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  Okay, but wait a minute.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Were we really gonna compare this?

• 34:43Speaker 03

  But under time pressure, though. Look, you can choke, and then you start remembering you're choking, you're thinking you're choking, and now you're nine seconds in, and you haven't answered [BLEEP].

• 34:52Speaker 06

  Name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a whoosh. You said... The penny.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:01Speaker 06

  Survey said...

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Why?

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Yes, Pablo correctly guessed penny as the coin that people throw into a fountain. Really, truly.

• 35:25Pablo Torre?

  Do your job. This is my press conference. Do your job.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Anyways, yeah, so I was like super flustered. At home, I'm watching this, I'm screaming like, "What the [bleep] are you doing?" Like, you know, but I was... But I did do the betting right, and that was actually some comfort because I was... I had done... Actually talked to folks about this, yeah.

• 35:43Pablo Torre?

  Well, okay, so I want to re-analyze your immediate instantaneous analysis, which you hear as Final Jeopardy continues.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  I did my math wrong. Oh, my heart hurts for her right here.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  And she wagered...

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Oh, no. No, I didn't do the math wrong. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, I did it right. No, no, I did the math right. I did the math right.

• 36:05Pablo Torre?

  We'll talk about this. Hold on, hold on. We gotta watch this.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  The moment I thought I didn't do it right.

• 36:10Pablo Torre?

  You said you were married, dude.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  What did you wager? Twelve thousand and one, nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine. And from third place, Dave Frager comes back.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Are you kidding me?

• 36:21Speaker 04

  And he's headed to the Celebrity Jeopardy.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, my God. Okay, so can I?

• 36:27Pablo Torre?

  The all-in guy, the all-in odious podcast guy who said...

• 36:32Speaker 02

  What a heartwarming story.

• 36:34Pablo Torre?

  The show that said it's okay if you miss social security payments was like, "This guy should be rewarded."

• 36:41Speaker 02

  So I was... Okay, now, I'm so glad. See, this actually is a great window into my mind here. Because watching it, yes, in the moment, I was devastated and I'm so mad at myself for not... Because I know geography, I know history. I was just like, my brain was whatever. But my process was correct there. So I'm actually, like, I feel a lot better watching how it played out, Pablo, because I did bet the exact right amount, which was something that I looked into.

• 37:12Pablo Torre?

  So explain what happened. So in the moment, you said you messed up the math.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  So this was something, like, I prepared for this and then talked to him about Daily Doubles. You know Hayes Davenport? He is a guy who went to school with Pablo, who I'm friends with.

• 37:24Pablo Torre?

  Co-host of Hollywood Handbook, another...

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Super funny dude, has been on Jeopardy. So I asked him for advice, and this was the one piece of advice he gave me. If you're in second place... And you're in striking distance, meaning you can jump first. Only bet enough so that third place can't jump you. So if third place can't jump you at all, you bet $0. That dude had just enough money to jump me, right? Which sucks. But the reason you do that is because you're not gonna win unless first place is wrong. So you don't have to, and first place is gonna bet enough to not get jumped. So all you have to do is worry about third place. And that's what I did with my betting strategy. A thousand dollars was enough to beat third place, right? If he had, I've gotten right.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Right, right, right.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  So in the moment, I was like, wait, did I do this wrong? I was, I was actually more upset with the, that I did, but I did it right. Because if third place had been wrong, I would have won if we had all been wrong. Because first place had to worry about me. Did that make sense? It's a little bit.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  It's, it's convoluted, but I will tell you that all of that explanation, that was riveting television. The fact that after all of that happens. No, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. Look, this is magic. What happened here is magic. Is this reporter Dan or friend Dan? Who are we hearing? I'm just.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  We're not hearing a lot of friend Dan today.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  This is entertained wildly by watching you suffer, but say, yeah, embarrassed, but my process was good. But also, I think you referred to that dude. I don't know what his name is. Do you know what his name is? David Friedberg? That dude had one of the most stunning comebacks I've ever seen in sports. Because I did not see him coming at all in this. That, I was never thinking about him and only because you did what happened at the end there. I now have, he has the moment of a lifetime. That, that, that guy has the opposite of your story because he had no business winning that.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Well, he's like an extremely wealthy tech entrepreneur, so you know, I think, I don't think he's certainly the underdog of a lifetime here, but um, yeah, he was like stunned afterwards. It was the moment, you could see he was stunned. Like, he walked out and his family, he was like, "What just happened?" And Sean Gunn, I gotta find Sean, we gotta get a drink. We were both just like, "Screw this, I hate this show." No, we love it, but like, we were just like devastated. Um, it was a great television moment, it really was, and I didn't watch the entire, I didn't watch the episode, obviously, I've only seen this, but I have to think it was probably one of the more entertaining finishes. It's similar to Pablo's finish, right? Where it's like dramatic, come from behind, those are the moments that make a great game show television.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  And Katie's, and Katie's, like, how have, how have the three of you ended up?

• 40:18Pablo Torre?

  It's been pretty remarkable.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Did Katie make a comeback?

• 40:22Pablo Torre?

  It was just a series of dramatic finishes. Katie had her own like overtime.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  They were like down to the wire. Oh yeah, I remember, because she didn't bet, yeah, right, right, yeah.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  You, the three of you have had amazing game show experiences. Like, I imagine a lot of people go on game shows and just finish in second place, or fourth place, or whatever, or get to the Price is Right stage and never get on it.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm actually glad Pablo, to mercifully wrap this up, that you made me watch that in there, because like, it was, it was a little bit validating to feel like I didn't screw the entire thing up, so uh, you know, I, I would love another shot at it. I'm still upset with how I handled the Daily Doles in particular, uh, and losing my cool a little bit with the buzzer, but uh, at least at the end, I did the math right. That's really all that matters.

• 41:10Speaker 03

  Pablo, do you, do you marvel at the fact that a head coach doesn't leave losing with, "Well, I got the process right"? Like, a head coach leaves the losing with, "Oh my god, like, I'm just crushed."

• 41:22Pablo Torre?

  No, Mina gave the answer that is most reasonable to any rational observer and most, uh, destroyable by any back page in a major metropolitan area, in which she explains that the process was right, but the result was wrong. And I think that the most honest appraisal, honestly, um, wasn't even technically, Dan, in the course of this game?

• 41:46Pablo Torre?

  It was during the credits.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  And you don't have to kick yourself, I think, because the way it worked out with Dave being the only one who knew final.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Listen, yeah, I would have been more mad if I had done the math wrong and once that was, I was like, alright, you know, because that would have just been embarrassing.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Well, you made small wagers on who you ended up knowing on Nero and then...

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Scared money don't make money. I don't remember saying that at all.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Look, you can only learn from our failures and also try to identify the things we actually did do right in them so we can build off of it. That is my mindset.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  Oh my god, that's textbook definition for learning, but can we also just go back there for a second and just check out Mina's body language?

• 42:28Speaker 02

  I know.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  Who you ended up knowing on Nero and then...

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Scared money don't make money. How weirdly sassy was that?

• 42:35Pablo Torre?

  So sassy. The sassiest quoting I believe either Billy Napier, current Florida Gators football coach, or Young Jeezy. I don't know exactly who originated that, but Mina happened to blackout and quote one of them.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Well, but can I examine this for just a moment? Because Mina, I'm going to say that right before that, when you're saying, "At least I didn't get the math wrong", and you're leaning on the console, whatever is pulsating inside of you right there is a combination of fear and bravado and relief. Because if I could look at it again, just tell me, the pose of you trying to lean in before you blackout and go scared money don't make money?

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Dude, I was exhausted. I had been at that set for hours at that point. Like I said, this was my second taping. I was so drained. I had had like three pieces of salami for lunch. That pose is the woman who was just ready to go. It was so late at night, by the way. I was so ready to go to bed. I really think, though, covering the NFL, I swear to god, this is gonna sound like tortured, but it has like better prepared me to deal with failures in my life. Like, the things I'm saying to you, oh, like, you gotta figure out what you did well so you can build off of that. You know, every rep, you gotta just like have a cornerback mentality and reset and think about, and like, then also be honest about yourself when you failed. You gotta focus on process.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  I don't think I would have said any of that stuff when I was younger and I was like equally competitive and allergic to failure. So, you know what? Growth. I look at this and I see growth.

• 44:08Pablo Torre?

  Mina, how long ago did you tape that?

• 44:10Speaker 02

  In October. It took me about three months to get over, so I'm really reliving a lot of trauma here.

• 44:15Speaker 07

  And it took you...

• 44:16Pablo Torre?

  It explains what you're like to do podcasts with November, December, and January. Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was mad, yeah.

• 44:25Pablo Torre?

  Not as long ago, though. Not as long ago as the aforementioned prospect that we are here to once again evaluate.

• 44:35Speaker 07

  You thought it was settled in the Orange Bowl? Baloney. We have with us here on our very stage here in Orlando, the Hurricanes of Miami of Florida.

• 44:49Speaker 07

  So scared.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  So cute.

• 44:52Speaker 07

  Dan's already just all over that buzzer.

• 44:55Speaker 07

  This American drove one mile in under 40 seconds. That was an average speed of 91 miles an hour. Name that American auto manufacturer. Miami, Dan.

• 45:06Speaker 08

  Ford.

• 45:07Speaker 07

  Henry Ford, that is correct. They were slow there. Let's meet the players.

• 45:10Speaker 08

  I'm Dan Lebatard. I'm a 19-year-old sophomore majoring in news editorial journalism and politics. I'm from Miramar, Florida.

• 45:17Speaker 07

  All right, Hurricanes, we're glad to have you.

• 45:18Speaker 07

  And I'm just walking here.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  You're 19 in this plan?

• 45:20Speaker 07

  1972 Summer Olympic Games took place in what city? Oklahoma, Kent. Munich. Munich is right. Which Boston Red Sox pitcher?

• 45:28Pablo Torre?

  Oh, here's the buzzer technique. Here's Dan's.

• 45:31Speaker 07

  Miami, Tom. Look at Dan.

• 45:32Speaker 07

  All right, Roger Clemens. Jester. And that wraps up our 102nd round, and Oklahoma is the champion over Miami.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Am I the only one who sees A.J. Soprano looking at a young Dan there?

• 45:44Pablo Torre?

  Not only do I see A.J. Soprano, I hear A.J. Soprano. Can we listen to Dan again introduce himself?

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Play him again.

• 45:51Speaker 07

  That hair.

• 45:53Speaker 08

  I'm Dan Lebatard. I'm a 19-year-old sophomore majoring in news editorial journalism and politics. I'm from Miramar, Florida.

• 46:00Speaker 07

  All right, Hurricanes.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  So scary.

• 46:02Speaker 07

  Scared, just scared. Just scared.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Actually adorable.

• 46:06Speaker 07

  Just scared. I would say, though, that you...

• 46:10Pablo Torre?

  Sweet, sweet Cuban Jonah Hill.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  Mina, Mina not being scared of all that and only getting, you know, the result of learning and process is a reason to do it. Because I'm stunned that you're not even more mortified. Just haven't recovered from it, don't want to be anywhere around it, don't want to do this with us.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  It's been a process getting over it, honestly. In the, let's just say the words, "You raised $50,000 for charity, focus on what matters," were said to me a lot in this house by my husband over the next seven days.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  It's so right.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  And by the way, the charity, I just, for anyone who's watching and has any interest, because I did talk about it briefly, it's called the Sila Neighborhood Homeless Coalition here in Los Angeles, they do some of the most amazing work of any nonprofit I've ever witnessed. So Hayes, who we talked about, was really involved in them as well early on. So if you guys are looking to donate, go to silanhc.org. I have the links in all my socials.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  You guys do realize that we could actually just for charity say, "What's the most you'd pay to see one of us most embarrassed on national television?" Like, if we were selling that, Mina, and I told you before it started, "It's gonna be embarrassing to you, but you will raise how much money for it." What's the price gotta be for that embarrassment?

• 47:38Speaker 02

  I mean, that was the most embarrassing thing, I think. I guess if I had missed a football question, that would have been...

• 47:43Speaker 03

  So what would be the, like, how would we talk you in from that one? Like, if you missed a football question and said, "But you raised this much for charity, Mina," and you'd be like, "Okay, that's okay."

• 47:54Speaker 02

  I mean, $50,000 is pretty, especially like, kind of when I got to visit them and hear about what the money was gonna do, it made me feel a lot better about this. You're hitting me at the right time. If you had, if this had been raw, if this had been like in the weeks after, would have been, I mean, I think I was pretty defensive and angry, but it would have been 10 times worse.

• 48:25Pablo Torre?

  If I pointed out maybe that that incredibly worthwhile charity, which you did support, and it's incredible that Celebrity Jeopardy does enable like, real things on the back of stupid things. If I pointed out, for instance, that they could have had even more money if you knew how to do a daily double, I mean, maybe, maybe that would, you know.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Let me back on Celebrity Jeopardy, let me back on.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  She wants a second chance, she wants a rematch!

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Give me another chance, I'll do better!

• 48:48Speaker 03

  Come on, Celebrity Jeopardy, she's a great champion and you're biggest celebrity, and that dude, I don't know, I still don't, I can't remember his name, Mina, the dude who had the miraculous comeback, do you remember his name? Because I feel like Mina overlooked him too. He snuck past her because she wasn't prepared.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, he knew like the film festival, he's like, "Oh, my wife and I had been to this film festival," I was like, so mad about it. Guys, wait, shocking news, are you ready? Are you seated? Crazy news just broke.

• 49:19Pablo Torre?

  What happened?

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Aaron Rodgers has not made a decision and says he doesn't owe it to anyone to move on their timeline.

• 49:28Pablo Torre?

  Speaking of a guy who watched way more Jeopardy than Mina, Aaron Rodgers.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  That would be the most embarrassing thing if I lost to him in Celebrity Jeopardy.

• 49:38Pablo Torre?

  Okay, yes, imagine if instead of Ken Jennings hosting that episode, it was [bleep] Aaron Rodgers, which almost happened.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  Very close.

• 49:46Pablo Torre?

  What I found out today, actually.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  What an alternate timeline of like the universe.

• 49:50Pablo Torre?

  What I found out today is how much I long for that alternate timeline exclusively and specifically for the ability to have done the episode we just did with each other, but with Aaron Rodgers in the role of Ken Jennings.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  I too long for that alternate timeline, because it would mean that right after this ends, I don't have to go on NFL Live and talk about Aaron Rodgers saying he hasn't made up his mind yet, which I'm gonna have to do for the 45th time in the last two years.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  I don't, Pablo, I don't believe there's any subject matter of any kind that I can put in front of Mina that she's more tired of than talking about Aaron Rodgers. There's nothing that she's just, that she will not bite on it ever saying anything other than, "I don't care, I'm tired of it."

• 50:35Speaker 02

  I think that it is unique because people are always like, oh, it's political or whatever. I think it's unique to my job because I have to do it so [BLEEP] much. Do you have an equivalent of that in your guys' lives? Like a thing where you're just like, this is, I'm compelled so often to address this exact thing. Must I do this?

• 50:59Pablo Torre?

  You might even say that these Aaron Rodgers segments, they're her own personal daily double.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  That doesn't even make sense.

• 51:09Pablo Torre?

  I feel like it does.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  You just, it just doesn't make sense. I'm sorry. Logically, that doesn't actually, like, that's a terrible analogy.

• 51:27Pablo Torre?

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