Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth About this episode Is sex a performance-enhancing drug? Pablo and Domonique insert themselves into the debate over "post-nut clarity" with exhaustive research, from a pre-game onesome in the locker room and abstinence as a coaching philosophy, to the stamp of approval from Drake, Megan Rapinoe and actual doctors — Pablo's dad included.
This episode originally aired February 29, 2024.
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3:04 Speaker 02 Hello? Hey, Dan. Yeah, hi. Hey, I'm recording something for my podcast. Yeah. Um, do you know what, uh, post nut clarity is? Yeah, post what? Post nut clarity.
3:21 Pablo Torre? Right after this ad.
3:24 Speaker 03 You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.
3:39 Pablo Torre? I got in trouble with Liz, uh, because when we were dating, I would, uh, borrow her laptop.
3:48 Speaker 04 Uh-oh.
3:48 Pablo Torre? And I would go to a website that I've just revisited now for the first time since the last time I was shamed for this, which is sexmusic.tumblr.com.
4:00 Speaker 04 Oh, what's wrong with that?
4:02 Pablo Torre? It turns out that in her mind, this was very, uh, I guess, not very thoughtful and also just creepy. Sexmusic.tumblr.com.
4:14 Speaker 04 Ah, I mean, maybe I don't know what's on this Tumblr, but I would just assume it's like a list of the best songs to like...
4:22 Speaker 04 Have sex too?
4:23 Pablo Torre? That's why I went.
4:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, I feel like that's romantic. Like you put some effort in.
4:28 Pablo Torre? I could have used you as my defense attorney.
4:30 Speaker 04 What did you, what did you say?
4:32 Pablo Torre? I apologized and said I would never put this on again.
4:36 Speaker 04 What? You know what the problem is? Never mind.
4:40 Pablo Torre? What's the, what's, I, I, what's the problem?
4:43 Speaker 04 The music creates an expectation.
4:45 Pablo Torre? Hmm.
4:46 Speaker 04 And when you're listening to songs about people putting it down in various ways, whether it's an upbeat song, whether it's a slow song, whether it's sensual, whether it's strong and delicate at the same time. Like the, the music can tell you what we're looking for. And it's possible that you got a blockbuster soundtrack, but a made for TV movie.
5:18 Speaker 04 And it's possible that it makes it worse where you're like.
5:21 Pablo Torre? You, you, you have me queuing up fuck John Williams. And I'm out here doing like some, I don't know, some hee-haw.
5:30 Speaker 04 Yeah, nah, I think you had, I think you queued up John Williams and maybe you was giving a, a little Action Jackson. Like you wasn't giving a, a real action movie. Like it was playing action music in the background. But you was giving a, um, a talkie. It was, you was out here.
5:49 Pablo Torre? I was out here doing some fucking Charlie Chaplin.
5:52 Speaker 04 You was Charlie Chaplin-ing when the music was suggesting that she was about to get taken.
5:58 Pablo Torre? I was, I was, I was.
6:00 Speaker 04 You wasn't giving.
6:00 Pablo Torre? I was just, I was just wiggling my nose. For the camera.
6:05 Speaker 04 And taking your hat on it off.
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10:04 Pablo Torre? Do you want to explain how we
10:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:07 Pablo Torre? came up with the subject of today's show?
10:09 Speaker 04 Well, we didn't come up with the subject of today's show. You, every conversation that you have in your life, and I've complained about this before, you're just mining your friends and people in your life for content.
10:20 Pablo Torre? I don't go into it necessarily with the full clarity that every conversation we have must be a show.
10:28 Speaker 04 Every conversation that you and I have becomes a show. And if I can't be on it, you just get somebody else to talk about it. Like, you just, you milk me, and I am nervous when I'm talking to you like, oh, my gosh. Whenever I talk to Pablo, whatever I say is gonna like, is he actually listening to me or is he taking notes?
10:45 Pablo Torre? I am definitely editing in my head while we're talking. Like, oh, that would be, that could be C-Seg for today's show.
10:51 Speaker 04 So we hung out a couple of weeks ago and we were eating. And I feel like you're the one who sparked the thought in my mind. I don't know how we got to the story.
11:02 Pablo Torre? I remember exactly how we got to the beginning of this.
11:05 Speaker 04 Right.
11:07 Pablo Torre? Which is, I asked if you remembered who Orlando Cabrera is.
11:11 Speaker 04 Baseball guy, shortstop.
11:12 Pablo Torre? Really good defensive shortstop. Orlando Cabrera, won a World Series, won two Gold Gloves.
11:19 Speaker 06 Smashed up the middle. Orlando Cabrera, great diving stop from his knee, throws him out. Oh, a sensational play by Orlando Cabrera.
11:29 Speaker 04 Boy, that certainly was. He realized he had to get rid of it in a hurry, so he gets rid of it from the seat of his pants.
11:35 Pablo Torre? Played for nine teams across 15 years in the major leagues. And beyond being like a really good defensive Gold Glove shortstop, was also known for reading books, by the way.
11:44 Speaker 06 What are you reading now?
11:45 Speaker 04 Uh, I just finished, uh, 100 Years of Solitude from Gabriel Garcia Marquez. It's a guy from Colombia.
11:51 Speaker 06 Okay.
11:52 Speaker 04 So, you know, I like to be reading stuff all the time.
11:55 Speaker 06 Keeps your mind sharp?
11:56 Speaker 04 Yeah. Keeping the mind sharp, baby. I mean, it's your show. I'll, I'll let you grab the steering wheel.
12:00 Pablo Torre? No, no, no, no. We're, we're, we're both driving this together. Dominique, you're not leaving me alone in potential shame because I am fascinated by how Orlando Cabrera keeps his mind sharp and his hands soft.
12:16 Speaker 04 Only one person can leave, Pablo. See, that might have been part of your problem.
12:19 Pablo Torre? I keep on looking for a, a partner in crime. And Dominique, to his credit, was very interested in the revelation that I had found out about this shortstop. Which is that first team Orlando Cabrera ever plays for is the Montreal Expos. And what I've learned is, this is multiple people now, this is journalism, is that before every game Orlando Cabrera played, Orlando Cabrera used to walk into this modest storage room off the clubhouse, uh, the Expos clubhouse, inside Olympic Stadium, in solitude, actually, Gabriel Garcia Marquez style. And, uh, you know, he would, uh, he would, he would, he would make some moves from the seat of his pants.
13:05 Speaker 04 Have you gotten Orlando Cabrera to verify this?
13:09 Pablo Torre? We are actively pursuing Orlando Cabrera.
13:11 Speaker 04 Well, because I mean, I feel like we should be, we don't have to talk about it because the conversation doesn't have to be about Orlando Cabrera, but that is how we got into it. But I would feel bad spreading this if it's not something that is actually something that he's okay with owning up to or has, you know?
13:26 Pablo Torre? I have a similar, um, similar inclination, a pang of potential guilt.
13:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:32 Pablo Torre? But what I am told is that this is not a question.
13:36 Speaker 04 Oh.
13:37 Pablo Torre? So I wanna, I wanna, I wanna ask you though, uh, just as a, as a former athlete, right? If you knew that one of your teammates was, was, you know, just repeatedly calling for an ISO, you know, was, was, uh, perpetually celebrating Palm Sunday.
14:00 Speaker 04 You got another one?
14:01 Pablo Torre? Was just taking a self-guided tour.
14:04 Speaker 04 Okay.
14:05 Pablo Torre? You know?
14:05 Speaker 04 You empty?
14:06 Pablo Torre? Or you guys? Was having a one sum to get empty. What would you think? Have, had, did, did this ever happen in your experience playing in the NFL?
14:17 Speaker 04 Um, I don't know. I mean, nothing that I knew of. I wouldn't have any, so the locker room is a very intimate place. So like guys would be very comfortable talking about all types of things and doing all types of things that you wouldn't be comfortable with in other situations. When you go on road trips, particularly locker rooms are very small. Sometimes the stalls don't have doors on them and stuff and like, yeah, people are comfortable doing the things that they have to do. Uh, no one's ever done, been that damn comfortable. I, I, I don't know that anyone does it or doesn't. Like guys had sex night before games and stuff like that for sure. And no one cared, but yeah, it's not, it never really came up. It's natural. It's a thing that everyone likes to do. I mentioned to Pablo that I had a running joke with one of my friends is that there should
15:02 Speaker 04 be, before you make any major decisions, you should go ahead and get yourself to that state of mind where you are the, the clearest. And now for the men who are listening to this show, they know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't know if women feel the same way, but it's, it's, there's this feeling where you just see the world more clearly and.
15:23 Speaker 04 Historically, in sports, we've always heard that you should not have sex close to a game, like it, or close to any competition. It's like an old boxing thing, it's...
15:32 Pablo Torre? Yes. It's an ancient tradition. It's in movies.
15:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
15:36 Pablo Torre? I mean, you'll only have to go as far as Rocky to find the exact opposite of, uh, Carrera-ism, let's call it.
15:43 Speaker 06 Women weaken legs. Yeah, but I really like this girl, you know? But let her shine yet!
15:54 Speaker 06 Okay, no more fooling around. Hey, I hit him.
15:59 Speaker 06 Women weaken legs, huh?
16:02 Pablo Torre? I believe that in boxing, an interesting thing has been happening for centuries, where even like, I, I remember talking to like, the best boxing trainer in the world, who is Freddie Roach. He's coached more world champions than anybody, I believe. He was ahead of Mayweather-Pacquiao, that fight, and abstinence. It's a genuine coaching philosophy that he has for his fighters. And he talked about just how much he asks of them when it regards, um, their discipline. I ask my fighters for 10 days, you know? When I was a fighter, it was 6 weeks, okay? Uh, but the thing is, I say, "No sex for 10 days. It'll be just for discipline, alright?" And like, the new age guys, right? Like the influencers, what's crazy about the influencer boxers like Jake Paul is that
16:45 Pablo Torre? they, you'd think like, "Ah, they're not obeying these folkways." They've done the same thing, like Jake Paul's coach, I was doing my research for this, um, and I have been, it's extensive, I pulled Google Doc. Um, they say how much worse Jake Paul is after he has sex before sparring. My coach, BJ, will be like, "Did you have sex last night?"
17:11 Speaker 06 You can tell, without me even saying anything. He's just slower. He's not as good, he's not as quick, he's not as fierce, he's not as aggressive. It's just, it's obvious to a guy who's been around boxing for, you know, I'm 42, I've been around boxing for, you know, 33 years. So I see it very quickly. And ancient warriors, they deprive themselves and they sacrifice certain things before they go to battle.
17:30 Pablo Torre? I, I don't know the exact demographics of the Pablo Torre Finds Out audience. I do know that it's not all dudes. I do want to acknowledge how, how unbelievably, um, dude-ish.
17:42 Pablo Torre? My curiosity was at the start. And so I do feel like it's worth noting that in your repudiation of this ancient tradition of warriors in battle, is someone like Ronda Rousey. You know, MMA fighter was a huge deal at one point. I want to point out that she believes this.
17:58 Speaker 02 Traditionally in sports, there is a theory that you don't have sex leading up to a contest. Football, basketball, baseball, save your energy.
18:11 Speaker 02 You buy into that?
18:13 Speaker 05 Well, my, my godfather is a doctor. And he told me that with men, it does temporarily lower your testosterone, but for women, it raises it. And so it's actually good for you before a competition. And so I was like, good to know. And plus, you're so stressed out and there's a lot of anxiety, you know, leading up to a fight. So, you know, it helps. I find it helps.
18:35 Pablo Torre? The fact that there's this active debate about like, is this a competitive advantage, David? Is where this becomes a sports story to me? All of this to me is about performance and performance enhancement.
18:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me for us to try to figure out the best ways. And there's nothing, I think, that we feel that controls us more than like, how you behave in those times and how it impacts the way that you think and operate.
19:05 Pablo Torre? Right. I mean, we can ostensibly control ourselves. Like we began.
19:09 Speaker 04 Is there another like bodily functions?
19:12 Pablo Torre? Looking for another masturbation euphemism?
19:14 Speaker 04 No, no, no, definitely. I've had more than enough of that. I hate that about this episode. But I do think that I am looking for another like human experience that feels more like all encompassing. Like even eating doesn't feel like that. And that seems very core. Like, there's nothing else, I think, that you feel like your whole body is like, sort of like drugs. Like it's nothing else that feels like your whole body is involved. So like, yeah, it's going to affect the way that you do anything.
19:43 Pablo Torre? Yeah. Well, I think that's the point, right? So like underneath all of this, and yes, I'm going to. Very awkwardly navigate, grope through the fog of this conversation.
19:53 Speaker 04 No more puns.
19:54 Pablo Torre? I want to make a case for this concept. So we're walking around and we're thinking about Orlando Cabrera. And we both have that instinct, I think, to try and understand as opposed to humiliate someone.
20:09 Speaker 04 Right.
20:10 Pablo Torre? And so the case for him led us to this concept. And the concept is one that both of us knew immediately. It's something we've talked about previously, if we're being frank with our audience. But do you remember where you first heard the term? Because I actually don't remember where I first saw it originate.
20:30 Speaker 04 You want me to say post nut clarity?
20:31 Pablo Torre? I just wanted to get us both on the record.
20:33 Speaker 04 Okay.
20:34 Pablo Torre? Like, post nut clarity is a, it feels like a phenomenon because there is nothing else quite like it.
20:41 Speaker 04 It's like reverse Hulk. And it's like, it's different for a different man, I think, probably. But you walk around much of your life feeling like the Hulk. But you know what? Sometimes you need Bruce Banner. You need the mild mannered scientist to come out and help guide you through some tough decisions and situations. And I think some men can relate that the worst decisions that you have made have been because you were acting like the Hulk. And not every situation requires Hulk smash. Some situations require Bruce think.
21:20 Pablo Torre? I want to get to the origins of this because post nut clarity is one of those terms that's just been sort of like hanging out in the back of our heads, so to speak. And conventionally, it got attributed to, uh, I don't listen to this podcast. I wonder if you've ever heard of it? Call her daddy?
21:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, I've heard of it.
21:38 Speaker 03 The post nut clarity. The post nut clarity. The post nut clarity is a real [BLEEP] thing. It's after a guy comes and his entire life flashes before his eyes. Everything becomes crystal clear, 2020 vision, and he is just like, wow.
21:54 Pablo Torre? And Drake.
21:56 Speaker 04 Drake? The rapper?
21:58 Pablo Torre? When Drake is rapping, post nut clarity, I came to my senses.
22:06 Pablo Torre? This is him, I believe, coming to grips with the man that he just was. Lil Wayne is in that category too. He basically says the same thing.
22:18 Speaker 04 I like the philosophers that you are consulting on this.
22:22 Pablo Torre? That's right.
22:23 Speaker 04 Drake and Wheezy, the whole Cash Money crew. What does Baby got to say? Slim? What does Slim say about this? I don't know, Juvi?
22:31 Pablo Torre? Unfortunately, what I have here is a different rapper named Uno Deuce One, who wrote an entire song dedicated to this concept.
22:52 Speaker 04 Wow.
22:54 Pablo Torre? There's more of that, for the record.
22:56 Speaker 04 I mean, I'm disappointed that you didn't prep me and I couldn't listen to that beforehand. Because like, he went so many different places.
23:04 Pablo Torre? Yes, and landed at Good Parenting.
23:05 Speaker 04 Right, which is like-
23:07 Pablo Torre? We just wear increasingly, I am regretfully reporting that I also land.
23:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:13 Pablo Torre? You sort of like stop and you are hit with not just the tasks that you have to do on your to-do list, but also like the things that really matter to you in the clarity.
23:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:23 Pablo Torre? And you're like, oh, I need to, I should probably make some changes in my life.
23:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:28 Pablo Torre? This sort of stew of self-consciousness, right? If not shame, but just self immediate, sudden onset, what feels like self-awareness, right? Because for me, it's not Drake, it's not Lil Wayne, it's not Uno Deuce One. It feels like Les Misérables.
23:52 Speaker 04 What?
23:53 Pablo Torre? Are you familiar with Les Mis?
23:54 Speaker 04 Oh my gosh, what are you doing?
23:56 Pablo Torre? I'm just saying, lots of people think-
23:58 Speaker 04 Les Mis?
23:58 Pablo Torre? Lots of people think that in Les Misérables, Jean Valjean is singing about like the Paris uprising of 1832. I believe he's singing about what it feels like to look at your browser window right after you finish.
24:17 Pablo Torre? How can I ever face myself again? Is a feeling that I have felt. Post nut.
24:24 Speaker 04 Oh, gosh. I think I got to the bottom of this whole thing. Where we started with the playlist. This might be an off-camera conversation, I don't know, because...
24:35 Pablo Torre? What, you don't think musicals made their way into most people's sexmusic.tumblr.com rotation?
24:42 Speaker 04 Maybe people wasn't looking for Les Miserables. Maybe people was looking...
24:46 Pablo Torre? I don't follow.
24:47 Speaker 04 Okay. It's possible that people you know wanted somebody who was listening to stuff about guns and drugs.
25:01 Pablo Torre? So you clearly haven't seen Les Miserables, then? Because there are a lot of guns.
25:05 Speaker 04 Stop it, Pablo, stop it. You know what I mean.
25:10 Speaker 04 Yes. In everything that I do, I hope it's clear that I've never seen Les Miserables. Particularly that. I would like it to be known. I want to leave having that be... I don't want it to come up. Like, the whole date, whatever we're doing, I don't want Les Miserables to come up. But immediately after, while I'm in clarity, I want her to be like, "Oh, I bet this motherfucker ain't never seen Les Miserables."
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29:05 Pablo Torre? Post nut clarity is a sports story.
29:07 Speaker 04 Okay.
29:07 Pablo Torre? And I'm trying to explain, I mean, I want to-
29:09 Speaker 04 This is a sports show.
29:10 Pablo Torre? Absolutely. Everyone knows that. Many are saying this is a sports show. I wanted to give some science to this, though.
29:17 Speaker 04 Of course you did, lame ass Rob.
29:19 Pablo Torre? Well, I feel like we need to be a little bit academic about this.
29:22 Speaker 04 Yeah, I feel like we do also. It gives us cover for all the other [BLEEP].
29:25 Pablo Torre? Absolutely. So, my dad is a urologist.
29:29 Speaker 04 Yep.
29:30 Pablo Torre? People may not know that. If you've not heard of me talk about my dad as a LeBron James of Filipino urologists, that is what I consider him.
29:39 Speaker 04 Wow. What did he bring to the game?
29:42 Pablo Torre? He was big on player empowerment.
29:44 Speaker 04 Okay, good, good, good.
29:45 Pablo Torre? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:46 Speaker 04 Well, shout out.
29:48 Pablo Torre? Shout out to the other Pablo Torre. So when I asked him, I called him up and I was like, and again, this is not easy for me to do because-
29:54 Speaker 04 Really? Even your own father?
29:56 Pablo Torre? Especially!
29:58 Speaker 04 Really?
29:59 Pablo Torre? To give a sense of how Catholic my family is, me talking to my dad, who is literally a urologist-
30:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's blowing my mind.
30:09 Pablo Torre? Is uncomfortable when it comes to the things that you'd expect a urologist to be truly un- unconcerned with-
30:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:24 Pablo Torre? On the level of shame. My dad is totally cool. Like, no problems talking to me about this at all.
30:30 Speaker 04 But it was you who were uncomfortable.
30:31 Pablo Torre? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:35 Speaker 02 Hello? Hey, Dad. Yeah, hi. Hey, I'm recording something for my podcast. Yeah. Um, do you know what, uh, post nut clarity is? Post what? Post nut clarity. Post net, N-E-T? No. Post nut clarity. I don't understand the word. Yeah, that's what I, that's what I, that's what I feared. What? That's all right. Okay. All right, all good. Thank you, Dad. Love you. Bye.
31:13 Pablo Torre? So, what I learned, though, is important because- The post-nut clarity phenomenon is seemingly rooted into theories about how the human body works. One of them, I think, might be intuitive. It's simply that an orgasm reduces stress because good hormones get released.
31:29 Speaker 04 Sounds right.
31:30 Pablo Torre? You know, dopamine, adrenaline, like this is a parallel to like runner's high, which I don't run, I don't experience that, but I'm told it's cool.
31:36 Speaker 04 No, it's, yeah, I've experienced both and they seem different, though, but I guess there is some clarity clarity in both. I think that some people say they think in the shower. I feel like there is a heart rate where I feel like my brain works better and I have fresher ideas in that space. And that could be similar to removing the fog of Reverse Hulk.
32:01 Pablo Torre? Well, I love, I love a walk.
32:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:04 Pablo Torre? I mean, this, this episode was born on, on a walk that we had. That gets me and my, and my blood flowing. But the second theory is about actual blood flow. And this one is the one where I'm like, oh, okay, there's, there's something really happening here. Because it's about the prefrontal cortex, Dominique.
32:21 Speaker 04 So it's just they, they use big words and you bought it because actually the hormones, they sound, that sounds real too.
32:27 Pablo Torre? There are lots of syllables across all of these theories.
32:29 Speaker 04 Oh, the more syllables, the more true it feels.
32:31 Pablo Torre? But here's the thing about the prefrontal cortex.
32:34 Speaker 04 Ooh, say brain names.
32:36 Pablo Torre? Well, it's the part of the brain that regulates executive function.
32:39 Speaker 04 Oh.
32:40 Pablo Torre? Okay. The executive, so to speak, in this, in this imagery, who is controlling impulses, social behaviors.
32:47 Speaker 04 Roots.
32:47 Pablo Torre? Thoughts. And when we masturbate, our blood evacuates the prefrontal cortex. I imagine this with like alarms going off, you know, like it's like the Death Star or something, sirens or klaxons are blaring. Blood evacuates the executive chambers, like the bridge of the Star Destroyer or whatever. And this is also speaking to why I am bad at talking about sex. I'm going to Star Wars metaphor. It goes down towards the genitals. Executive function evacuated, blood heading to the genitals. It results in a slowdown in activity in the prefrontal cortex. And so when we are done. The blood returns. And that is clarity.
33:31 Speaker 04 Right.
33:32 Pablo Torre? Our rational brain starts just humming again.
33:34 Speaker 04 It's just like you are, which this makes sense. I think we hyperbolize this a bit. But it's like I'm in this state most of the time. Then you get aroused and you, and that's when you actually turn into the Hulk and you don't think clearly. And then the come down from that is just you are returning to your normal state so quickly that you're like, oh, who is that guy? Where like the, the buildup to that is slower. You're like, you look up and you didn't see yourself become the Hulk, but you became the Hulk. And then all of a sudden, in a split second, you're back to normal, which that probably makes more sense than anything.
34:11 Pablo Torre? And I think it is the speed of it. That part feels magical.
34:15 Speaker 04 Right, it does.
34:16 Pablo Torre? The fact that it's almost, it's, I mean, literally instantaneous.
34:18 Speaker 04 Because I think the, the belief is that you're clearer than you ever are in those moments after.
34:24 Pablo Torre? Correct, like, yes.
34:25 Speaker 04 But you're not, you're arguing, which I think I agree with, is no, you're not clearer than you ever are. You just return from fog to clarity in such a rapid, uh, motion that you now, yeah, you appreciate the difference.
34:39 Pablo Torre? Well, I think it's profound. It's, it's a profound thing that it is not just like an American thought that post-nut clarity happens. The Japanese, my favorite, one of my favorite details about this, the Japanese have a word for this. It's kenja tai mu. Tai mu, sounds like time. Time, tai mu is time. Kenja, as in kenja tai mu. Kenja means wise man or philosopher. So.
35:07 Speaker 04 Philosophy time, baby.
35:08 Pablo Torre? You nut and it's [bleep] philosophy time. And that, and, and it's defined, I mean, truly, post-coital clarity, period after orgasm, when a man is free from sexual desire and can think clearly.
35:19 Speaker 04 So you believe the Japanese in that you can reach some heightened level of clarity that you can't reach any other time?
35:26 Pablo Torre? I believe that we are most enlightened post-nut because you're isolating, you're removing.
35:34 Speaker 04 I think you people.
35:37 Pablo Torre? I mean, are we talking pejoratively about horniness, about testosterone in that sexualized way? Yeah, that's really what the clarity is indicating.
35:46 Speaker 04 But I mean, I think that we would all agree that, I guess, eating, aside from eating, for most animals, procreation is like the strongest impulse. If you remove that from your brain, is your brain freer to think clearly?
36:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, that seems reasonable.
36:08 Speaker 04 This is a complete tangent, but Japanese is not like a Latin-based language.
36:15 Pablo Torre? You're talking about, you're stuck on that timu thing?
36:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, timu felt like completely inconsistent. It feels like you did some pseudo research you're doing. I don't trust timu, really? That's how they say time?
36:24 Pablo Torre? It did occur to me, where I was like, is this, is time rooted in a Japanese? Hold on.
36:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, I feel like we need to pause to get to the bottom of this.
36:31 Pablo Torre? Is timu?
36:33 Speaker 04 I mean, Japanese is not. Am I right? Am I wrong?
36:35 Pablo Torre? No, I had the same thought.
36:36 Speaker 04 All the like, western languages that we like, they're all based on like Latin, right?
36:41 Pablo Torre? Oh, you know what?
36:42 Speaker 04 This is some pseudo-Japanese bull****.
36:44 Pablo Torre? It's kind of like, it is one of those Englishified.
36:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
36:50 Pablo Torre? Sort of like how in Spanish, blue jeans are los blue jeans. I think there's some of that happening.
36:55 Speaker 04 Okay, cool, cool, cool.
36:56 Pablo Torre? So I'm not sure if like, yeah, ancient samurai, we're calling post-nut clarity kenja timu.
37:03 Speaker 04 Okay, cool.
37:04 Pablo Torre? In like feudal Japan.
37:05 Speaker 04 I liked it anyway.
37:07 Pablo Torre? It's honestly a good question.
37:08 Speaker 04 It is, philosophy time. This sounds like a whole nother episode. This is why you want to have me on all the time.
37:13 Pablo Torre? Well, but, but your suggestion as to like, how people can benefit from this?
37:19 Speaker 04 Are we helping people now?
37:21 Pablo Torre? The question of what does clarity, what does this clarity, what is? PNC. What does that do for us in our, in our jobs, in our various decisions?
37:33 Speaker 04 I think that the benefit from this is understanding that PNF exists. Like, I think that's the, that's the
37:42 Pablo Torre? Fog.
37:43 Speaker 04 Yeah. That's the
37:45 Pablo Torre? Pre-nut fog.
37:46 Speaker 04 Yeah. You can't do anything about the way that you, you work, but you can be aware of it and you can uh, make others aware of it to the degree that it matters in your behavior.
37:58 Pablo Torre? Right. Well, look, and I want to be clear about this too. I think that's fair that, you know, I'm not saying that people should be jacking off at work. They should not be doing that.
38:05 Speaker 04 You are absolutely saying that they should not be doing that.
38:08 Pablo Torre? However, if there was a way to make decisions in full clarity, I think I'd want my, I don't know, my pilot
38:19 Pablo Torre? to be a post-nut pilot.
38:22 Speaker 04 So now I get why you refuse to accept my theory. It's important that your theory be true so that you can get these jackoff stations all around, all around the world. It's just so you could go in and think clearly. Because I don't believe that everyone needs to whack off in order to, to operate at their highest level. I don't believe in Kenji Taimo. I don't think that you are in some enlightened state, higher enlightenment. I think that what you are feeling is the drastic drop from fog to clarity. And I think when you are, you might, I, I would believe that you might be at risk for getting foggier if you are not in that state, but I don't think that you are now clearer.
39:02 Speaker 04 So like, a lot of this portion of this has just been kind of half joking about like post-nut clarity. And it's a, it's a sensation that I think guys are familiar with. But I think it's probably, it seems to me a bit nonsensical to think that while you're out there playing baseball or playing any sport, that whatever you did an hour prior or two hours prior, uh,
39:29 Speaker 04 Has you in some state of mind that is even calmer or better?
39:34 Pablo Torre? Well, I believe that Kenji Taimo is something worth chasing if you are flying a plane, if you are writing an email, if you are buying clothes, if you are walking up to the plate with the game on the line as Orlando Cabrera has repeatedly done.
39:56 Speaker 04 Wong is ready. The pitch on Cabrera. He lines one in the gap in left center field. The batted scores. Finley scores and Cabrera bends in two. The Angels lead for the first time in the division series. It's now 4-2. Oh, what a clutch hit right there.
40:20 Speaker 04 Cabrera hits it deep in final left. Orlando Cabrera is tonight's Red Sox hero. Walk-off homerun. Red Sox win it in the 12th, 7-6. Cabrera leading off the bottom of the 10th. And he drives one deep down the left field line. Gone if it stays fair. It's a homerun and the Reds win the ballgame. Now the set and the pitch. Cabrera with a drive, deep center field. It's over Jackson's head and the Indians win again.
40:50 Pablo Torre? He's got to touch first base. There he goes. It's their 12th straight win at home and for the second night in a row. They win in walk-off fashion as Orlando Cabrera gets mobbed at first. But he's the guy you wanted at the plate. That's the guy I would like to have at the plate. I've seen him too many times. You're damn right.
41:11 Speaker 04 So I, this is not my show, so I don't care that you tie it up in a nice-
41:14 Pablo Torre? Your honor?
41:15 Speaker 04 And nope, you stop.
41:16 Pablo Torre? Your honor?
41:17 Speaker 04 You stop. You can edit it out if you want to, but I demand my time. This is not my show, so I do not care if you tie it up-
41:24 Pablo Torre? Reclaim your time, move.
41:25 Speaker 04 I do not care if you tie it up in a nice, pretty bow the way that you want it to be. I know that that was meant to like prove your case, but I was looking at the scoreboard on those clips.
41:37 Pablo Torre? Yeah, just a series of game winners.
41:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, some of them were in the 10th inning.
41:42 Pablo Torre? Yes, and at the most- Most impressive part of it?
41:44 Speaker 04 Well, he's a-
41:45 Pablo Torre? Clutch time, clutch timeu.
41:47 Speaker 04 I know, but assuming it was before the game, I'm assuming that it's not just before he walks out on the field. So thirty minutes, hour before the game, that man's refractory period can't be that bad. Like, what are we talking about? Uh, I guess you could argue that it puts him in the proper state of mind for the beginning of the game. And he can do some sort of mental exercises to stay in that game, stay in that state of mind for the entire game, but-
42:12 Pablo Torre? So you're saying the seventh inning stretch should be something else also?
42:15 Speaker 04 Stop it. This is horse- I might have been able to go along with you. You know where you made your mistake? You timeu'd me. That's what I'll, if, if you would have kept it with real Japanese words, I might have believed it because nothing like an ancient Japanese proverb to get people to believe that something is real. But you hit me with a timeu. I was like, what is timeu?
42:36 Pablo Torre? Your honor, my perpetually masturbating client is awesome. I just think it's funny that when I went back to look at like Orlando Cabrera, I was like, okay, he's like not, he's not like a great offensive player. Didn't hit more than three hundred for his career, not, not really that close. But when the game was on the line, it was Orlando Cabrera timeu.
42:59 Speaker 04 So how long does post nut clarity last for you?
43:01 Pablo Torre? Ooh.
43:02 Speaker 04 PNC, I don't, I'm tired of saying-
43:04 Pablo Torre? I know, I feel, I feel, I feel gross. But I-
43:08 Speaker 04 You don't though, you're pretending to feel gross. I know you.
43:10 Pablo Torre? As the son of a urologist, I can report that it probably lasts anywhere between like
43:16 Pablo Torre? five minutes and a couple hours. Dude, I mean, the capacity, it just feels like you can go and do work.
43:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, this is, maybe I have a different experience to you.
43:28 Pablo Torre? What, okay, what's yours?
43:29 Speaker 04 The clarity is the moments after, the few minutes after, and then I feel normal again. Yeah, it's not like that, um, uh, immediate like cold water, like, oh, wake up. That's what I got. Then it's a few minutes after, and then I feel like myself again.
43:48 Pablo Torre? The biggest difference between, between us on this clearly is that yourself, PNC-
43:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:55 Pablo Torre? And yourself, uh, pre-
44:00 Pablo Torre? They feel more recognizable to each other than, than I think a lot of the internet and me.
44:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think my walk around is a little, is a little cooler than your walk around. I think generally I got a cooler walk around. My Hulk and Bruce are closer to each other on the map, so like-
44:16 Pablo Torre? You're like Smart Hulk.
44:17 Speaker 04 Or dumb Bruce.
44:21 Pablo Torre? Yeah, my Bruce, my Bruce loves, uh, he loves just like, you know, writing emails.
44:30 Speaker 04 I didn't know where you were going with that.
44:31 Pablo Torre? Me neither.
44:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, I liked where we ended up. Good old classic Pablo jump pass.
44:54 Pablo Torre? Okay, so at this point, I did want to point out that I actually did write an email to an expert, who is not my dad, or a dude for that matter, an expert named Dr. Rena Malik.
45:07 Speaker 05 I am a urologist and pelvic surgeon, so for people who don't know, a urologist is a surgeon and medical doctor of the genital urinary tract. So that includes the kidneys, the tubes that drains the kidneys, the bladder, and the genitals for both men and women.
45:22 Pablo Torre? And the good news is that Dr. Malik has absolutely heard about all of these pre-game rituals before.
45:28 Speaker 05 There's a lot of mantra, like no sex before a big game, right? Like, like you gotta, you gotta avoid sex because it's gonna increase your testosterone, make you more aggressive, and all that. But ultimately, in the data, and again, this is not well-studied, but in small studies, it has not shown to be truthful in terms of increasing your testosterone. Now, could it be that you're a little sexually frustrated when you go play a game and that makes you more aggressive? Sure, it could be, and some people do find that an advantage. But some people like having their routine, right? If there's someone who has daily sex and you're now taking that out of their routine, that can cause actually worse- Performance in a game or athletic feat.
46:12 Speaker 05 I think especially this like don't have sex before the game day like it can be really stressful for some people and like it is actually harmful like if you're if you're like oh god coach told me not to and I'm like super anxious and stressed and revved up and like it's not helping me because I go to the game and all I'm thinking about is like you know how I'm so uncomfortable in my own skin.
46:33 Pablo Torre? Which is a great defense of our guy Orlando Cabrera for the record and Rhonda Rousey too, by the way, who Dominique and I mentioned before, who has none of the typical hangups about pre-fight sex. But when I asked Dr. Malik about how women like Rhonda Rousey in specific fit into this story, what she immediately told me about was a larger issue.
46:56 Speaker 05 Women are very understudied in terms of science, right? So like if you look up the word penis in the scientific, the PubMed, which is where you look up scientific articles, you're going to get 50,000 results. If you look up clitoris, you're going to get 2,000. So it's significantly understudied.
47:14 Pablo Torre? Which yeah, sounds like a significant problem. And so as to the question of whether women also experience post-nut clarity, I asked Dr. Malik for her informed opinion.
47:27 Speaker 05 I think ultimately, yes, they probably do. And I think I think certainly there's a number of release of hormones after any sort of climax and that can be including things that will help you focus. So I think it really varies person to person, but I would venture to say yes, that they probably do have post intercourse or masturbation clarity.
47:48 Pablo Torre? In the spirit of journalistic inquiry, Dominique, I had to make a call to some other athletes in our focus group who know a little bit something about, you know, being great.
48:04 Speaker 05 But yeah, so I go to her hotel. You guys are in for the night. Big game tomorrow. Finals. Sue got none. Sue got none. No. Maggie was tired. I was doing a pre-nut clarity. And it worked. And it worked. I won the World Cup and I was the best player and scored the most goals. And took Trump down. Oh. Boom. That's, I'm just. And equal pay. And equal pay.
48:29 Pablo Torre? This is Megan Rapinoe, if you didn't recognize that voice, sitting next to her fiancee, Sue Bird. Two of the greatest athletes in the world.
48:37 Speaker 05 I think there is something to the stress relief, like I've even heard, especially with women, like during their menstrual cycle, masturbating is like a can be like a pain reliever. I think it does regulate you and put you more in touch with your sort of like own body or whatever. It's kind of like can be grounding. In terms of like, is it going to give you sort of clarity or not? I never really. I've never heard of that. I never heard of that. Yeah, like I've, you know, had sex four games, haven't had sex four games. Masturbated not. Like, I just feel like it's like whatever.
49:19 Speaker 04 They have great sex, I'm sure. They're just so like
49:23 Pablo Torre? I know.
49:23 Speaker 04 comfortable with each other.
49:24 Pablo Torre? Yeah, they're just so much cooler than me.
49:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
49:26 Pablo Torre? Is one thing.
49:27 Speaker 04 They're so comfortable with each other and comfortable with this conversation. I, I see my people when I, I recognize my people when I see my people.
49:33 Pablo Torre? What, good sex havers?
49:35 Speaker 04 Just people who are confident and comfortable. It would be ridiculous for us to think that their experience was completely different from ours, but it seems like there's something to it.
49:45 Speaker 05 Yeah.
49:45 Speaker 04 Even though she was kind of, it felt like, uh, Megan was dismissing it.
49:50 Pablo Torre? Right.
49:51 Speaker 04 To some degree, she then went on to kind of explain clearing of mental space and, uh, and understanding that it does something to you.
50:00 Pablo Torre? Well, the something though, where it rises to the threshold of like this is a, a clarity. Clarity a phenomenon as opposed to just like, well, now I'm thinking about something else. That's where I, I, I wanted to, again, focus group in this case of two, sample size of two. But I wanted to get into like, okay, how different is it? In terms of what men feel versus what women feel with, you know, Sue.
50:25 Speaker 05 I feel like women definitely, they're.
50:29 Speaker 05 I'm gonna go on a little bit of a limb. Women in their PNC.
50:34 Pablo Torre? Yes.
50:34 Speaker 05 I don't know if it's clarity. There is, not generally, that's not how I want to say this, but there has been instances where I've sensed more emotion. Like tears or just like emotional moments in that moment. But again, it's all wrapped up in hormones. I've never. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say I've never experienced that with a guy. No guy's ever cried after.
50:56 Speaker 04 Men and women are so incompatible in some ways. Because what she's describing is kind of the opposite.
51:03 Pablo Torre? Right.
51:04 Speaker 04 You know, like, I mean, I guess to some degree, when you're with someone who you really want to be with, you're like, it's more of a content. But it's not like emotionally moved to tears. Like, it's not like, oh my gosh, I love you so much. It's more like, all right, yeah. That was great, wasn't it?
51:20 Pablo Torre? Accessing feelings, right? It's interesting. Like, the clarity is a very clinical idea.
51:26 Speaker 04 Maybe it's a stretch, but like, it does also feel, feel like a clarity. They've cleaned the windshield or they've removed the fog and they just see something differently. Or they see something different than what we would see. Or, you know, it's like, it's now clear to see what is most important to you, which is where we kind of started, why you were saying. Part of what you, you think about is like being a good parent.
51:48 Pablo Torre? Right.
51:48 Speaker 04 It's like, this is a time where everything is kind of clear in my mind and I can see the things that are most important. And that's, like, for you, it's parenting and writing emails, apparently. But for them, it's their emotional connection, which like, as, as gross as part of this episode has been, like, it's, it's beautiful.
52:08 Pablo Torre? Yes.
52:08 Speaker 04 It's beautiful for them and for anybody who feels that.
52:13 Pablo Torre? I don't know if people listening to this understand how genuinely uncomfortable I have been at times during this episode. It started with the most earnest of curiosities as to like, Orlando Cabrera. Good or bad at his job because he does this thing? And then it became a reflection on what it means to be yourself. As, as sex is concerned and masturbating is concerned.
52:39 Speaker 04 And generally, I mean, I think this is called good profile or essay writing, Pablo. Like, this is, this is a thing that's about, that pretends to be about this small insignificant thing, which is really about like the human experience. Isn't that what all great, award-winning essays are about? You just made an award-winning podcast, Pablo. Be proud of it.
53:01 Pablo Torre? Yes.
53:01 Speaker 04 And also, like, you're getting paid for it and you also have edit power. So if you're uncomfortable with how this went, imagine how I am. I did this for free and who knows what parts of this you're gonna show. So I, I don't know, I'm, I'm trusting you. This is called being a friend. I try to be the best friend that I can be. I try to be the best analyst I can be, try to be the best lover that I can be. And it's something that you should, I mean, just be the best at everything. That's all.
53:27 Pablo Torre? What I found out today, Dominique, is that you really do care about my pleasure.
53:38 Speaker 04 You couldn't get out of here with it. Like, you pretend like you are uncomfortable with all this stuff, but you're really just gross and you like to be gross. Like, I actually, I'm not uncomfortable with the conversation, but I'm actually a little bit concerned with how it's gonna turn out. You don't give a [BLEEP]. You're pretending like you are so that I feel comfortable, but you don't give a [BLEEP].
53:55 Pablo Torre? Can we hear Uno Deuce One again?
53:58 Speaker 04 No.
54:07 Pablo Torre? Domonique Foxworth, one of the, the best parents and friends that I know and have. Thank you for going on this odyssey into the human experience.
54:17 Speaker 04 You're welcome.
54:25 Pablo Torre? This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.
54:31 Pablo Torre? And I'll talk to you next time.
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