Pod Insights Scam Goddess The UK Gambling Gambit w/ Jerah Milligan (Fraud Friday) About this episode In this week’s Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by comedian, producer, and actor Jerah Milligan (Astronomy Club, Black Men Can’t Jump) to dig into Edward Putman, Giles Knibbs, and a fraudulent fake Lottery win. In Scammer of the Week, OpenTable takes on restaurant heat, and not the yummy kind! Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 02/24/2020)
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https://www.casino.org/news/lotto-rapist-charged-with-fraud-over-2-5-million-falsified-ticket/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/04/edward-putnam-fake-national-lottery-ticket
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1:28 Laci Mosley? What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.
2:09 Laci Mosley? What's up congregation? We're back with another episode of Scam Gaddis. Guys, I'm so excited for, I always say this, I always say I'm so excited, but I am. I'm excited for every guest that we get because they're so funny. Today, we have one of the legendary hosts from the Black Men Can't Jump in Hollywood podcast. What if I just talk like that the whole time? Like, "I mean, I like that." You guys would kill me. You already hate my voice.
2:35 Laci Mosley? Jarram Mulligan. It's Mulligan, right?
2:38 Speaker 04 It's Milligan.
2:39 Laci Mosley? Milligan.
2:40 Speaker 04 Damn, I get no respect. God, legendary podcast, you were a guest on my podcast and I get no respect on yours. All right, I'm sitting in a corner, all right?
2:50 Laci Mosley? Man, you sat in the corner. I know I tell your ass to sit in the corner.
2:52 Speaker 04 You would tell me not to sit in the corner. All right, this how you start all the guests? This how you treat the guests? This much aggression?
2:59 Laci Mosley? Ain't nobody done nothing to you. You got a pop tart, you got water.
3:02 Speaker 04 First off, they can't see, but your fingers are pointing. I feel like you want to snap these nails. They can't see it, but audience, it's happening.
3:09 Laci Mosley? I ain't about to snap these nails, okay? Listen, Jarram, now, I asked how to pronounce it, okay?
3:16 Speaker 04 But you seem like you dragged a little bit.
3:17 Laci Mosley? That's fair. That's fair, guys. This is Jarram Mulligan. I did say Mulligan. And you, like, when you look at your name, like, the brain automatically reads Mulligan.
3:25 Speaker 04 But you know what, you know, like, it's an Irish name, I'm black, people get mad confused.
3:29 Laci Mosley? Yeah, it is an Irish name. What's up with that? Why do you have an Irish name?
3:32 Speaker 04 I think somewhere the slave owners were like, uh, just Irish, maybe they were Irish slave owners.
3:37 Laci Mosley? And then y'all just stayed, y'all was like, "Nigga O'Connor." Like, you were not, you ain't changed it?
3:41 Speaker 04 Because this is my thing, I feel like, you know, when St. Patty's Day comes, because it's the day before my birthday, you know, shame was plugged for my birth, um, it's like, I celebrate it because I got the birthday and the Irish name. So I'm like, "Ay, yo, you never seen a black Irishman? We here."
3:53 Laci Mosley? Oh, my God.
3:54 Speaker 04 We out here, you know? I don't say kiss me, I'm Irish, because I'm like, you know, you just can't be having people just kiss up on you.
4:00 Laci Mosley? And put their mouth on you.
4:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, you don't know them.
4:02 Laci Mosley? But, okay, okay, that's fair. That's a scam in itself. You out here just saying that you Irish, you don't really know.
4:07 Speaker 04 You get free drinks. I mean, I could be.
4:09 Laci Mosley? I know, you, you should get free drinks if you're a black Irish person.
4:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, why not?
4:13 Laci Mosley? Experience more of the struggle. My last name is Mosley, and I had a- Chemistry professor, or not professor, but teacher in high school. Who their last names were mostly two, like a husband and wife, and they both worked at the school. It spelled the same name, like the same way. And so I would always like, I joked with her one time and made her so uncomfortable. Cause she was a white woman and I was like, oh yeah, we have the same last names, like spelled the same way. I was like, maybe your people owned my people at some.
4:35 Speaker 04 Honestly, though, she should think about it. She should think about it. She should think about it, cause it's probably real. I ain't out here for these tears, don't feel sad.
4:43 Laci Mosley? Right.
4:43 Speaker 04 Say I'm sorry and go buy me a car.
4:47 Laci Mosley? That's what, that's what we want in reparations. We've upgraded from a mule to a Mazda.
4:51 Speaker 04 They took the mule in the, in the forty acres back, so you know what, I'm upgrading.
4:55 Laci Mosley? I want, I want three, three miles, what's bigger, forty acres or three miles?
4:59 Speaker 04 I don't know math, I don't know math. Cody, what you got?
5:03 Laci Mosley? That's so dumb.
5:03 Speaker 04 I don't know.
5:04 Laci Mosley? I'm so dumb, it's forty acres.
5:06 Speaker 04 But how, how, but how, is forty acres, is that close to? Listen, I don't know how land works, I live in a New York apartment, okay? I, I don't know how it works.
5:13 Laci Mosley? You're like, I've never experienced land.
5:15 Speaker 04 Space, I don't know how that works.
5:16 Laci Mosley? I've never experienced landing, no, that's a lie, I'm from Texas, I've experienced so much land.
5:20 Speaker 04 And probably like horses too.
5:22 Laci Mosley? Mm-hmm, my family owns a lot of land, all my aunts used to live on one hill. And I would like, like on the holidays, we would go over and we would visit every aunt who lived on the hill, cause they all cooked something different. That was like our specialty.
5:33 Speaker 04 Are you from like one of these like, um, black families? Cause I always see like the southern white families that do like the pageants and every, for women. Are you from like, that same thing, just black?
5:43 Laci Mosley? Yeah, but I didn't do pageants. I didn't do pageants. I did have a college coach, I did.
5:50 Speaker 04 A college coach?
5:51 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
5:52 Speaker 04 What is that?
5:53 Laci Mosley? Uh, like this woman I would drive to see in Dallas, who would like help me be more competitive when I was applying to college. Now, I didn't do the college entrance scam, guys, okay? I, I did everything almost legitimately.
6:03 Speaker 04 Wait, wait, wait, time out. But I love this though, cause I feel, I feel like you don't even, people don't even know black folk exist in that kind of like world.
6:11 Laci Mosley? No, yeah, there are black people with money. And that's a funny thing is like, and it's a weird racism thing, like a dog whistle, where people assume you grew up poor. And I'm like, why are you assuming that? I don't, I didn't have that struggle, like I literally had like a showrunner be like, oh, you know, this is how everybody did it in Philly. Like y'all didn't do it like that, and I was like, no, I grew up around a lot of white people.
6:32 Speaker 04 I was, I was safe, I had, we had yards, okay? Like we, we had things.
6:38 Laci Mosley? With yards and backyard. My mom would throw parties and the white people would work them.
6:43 Speaker 04 Wait, what?
6:44 Laci Mosley? Yeah, my mom would only hire white people.
6:45 Speaker 04 Yo, I'm reading this book right now and it's like it. Someone asked me to like help adapt it and it's like it's hard because it is that it's like black people like reversing.
6:54 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
6:55 Speaker 04 What happened to black people and I'm like, man, I can't imagine hiring the all white staff. I'd be like, cause if you're making the food, I'm like.
7:03 Laci Mosley? Are you trying to put?
7:04 Speaker 04 You know how to make like, are you gonna make this macaroni and cheese, right?
7:06 Laci Mosley? Seasoning?
7:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
7:08 Laci Mosley? Plenty of white people who can cook. Come on, Emerald.
7:11 Speaker 04 First, what? What? I've never seen Emerald pull up macaroni and cheese out the oven, okay? This is my thing.
7:19 Laci Mosley? Emerald Agassi is with it. He was eating the Popeyes chicken sandwich. He, he with it.
7:23 Speaker 04 Oh, but he got one? That's I don't trust him.
7:24 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he liked flavor.
7:25 Speaker 04 I don't trust him. He got it.
7:26 Laci Mosley? What do you mean, I got one?
7:27 Speaker 04 I'm saying, how you get one? Yo.
7:31 Laci Mosley? It was a scam. This was a scam. So Popeyes will put up signs and say that they were out of the Popeyes chicken sandwich when really they had it back. So all you had to do is go inside and be like, hey, I see your sign says you're out, but are you really out? And they'd be like, nah, and then they go get me one.
7:45 Speaker 04 They just say want the lies? They was like, we about to say, ay, oh, we out. Also, what a good setup. Like, does a black person own Popeyes?
7:53 Laci Mosley? No.
7:53 Speaker 04 Black person don't own Chick-fil-A.
7:55 Laci Mosley? Lady who's like, I love this chicken. I made it myself.
7:59 Speaker 04 You think she got some extra money?
8:00 Laci Mosley? I'm your auntie.
8:02 Speaker 04 You know what I mean? Her hands don't even be dirty. I'm like, listen, my auntie's got burns.
8:06 Laci Mosley? She probably don't even eat chicken.
8:07 Speaker 04 I know, but you didn't make no fried chicken.
8:09 Laci Mosley? She don't got no elbow burns, so you know she ain't make that chicken.
8:11 Speaker 04 Grease burns.
8:13 Laci Mosley? I have a huge grease burn actually.
8:14 Speaker 04 Really?
8:15 Laci Mosley? Mm-hmm, on the back of my calf.
8:17 Speaker 04 Wait, what?
8:20 Speaker 04 Did she run away from the Popeyes?
8:25 Laci Mosley? It's very traumatizing, okay? I was frying bacon and I took.
8:31 Laci Mosley? Country shit. I took the oil off the stove too, like right after I cooked the bacon, so it was hot. And it sloshed a little bit and it got me bad. It got me a month. Oh my God, I would wear, I would wear an ace bandage. Everywhere because I was so embarrassed because it was like hot pink, huge scar and I have very dark skin. So I was like wearing this ace bandage to the point where one of my calves got smaller than the other. Cause I'd work out, but the crazy thing is I used it as a scam because I got pulled over once for speeding and I was like, I just got burned. I'm going to the ER.
9:06 Speaker 04 I'm going to the ER?
9:07 Laci Mosley? And they let me off. Y'all with a warning?
9:10 Speaker 04 Yo, man, listen, I need, I need to get better at those cop scams because they be getting me.
9:14 Laci Mosley? Oh nah, bruh, especially as a black man, come on, you need to be able to cry on cue.
9:18 Speaker 04 Man, I had, I had a story that was so good once. I was driving my, my stepdad to the Special Olympics. It's hip, my parents are older, so my parents are like seventies, mid seventies. Driving my stepdad to the Special Olympics, we got, you know, crutches in the front, I'm in the slow lane, my mom in the back. This, this dude still dragged me out the cop. Like, it didn't, it didn't even, I ain't, I ain't know what was happening yet.
9:39 Laci Mosley? Was your dad competing in the Special Olympics?
9:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, he was horseback riding or whatever, you know what I mean? He won, he won some medals, but it was a very traumatic time to get there. And I was like, yo, cop, come on, baby, we just trying to go to the Special. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I don't even know if I was really speeding. I was like, I'm in the slow lane chilling. I was like, this is how people get you.
9:56 Laci Mosley? I feel like it's very fucked up to arrest people going to the Special Olympics.
9:59 Speaker 04 Fuck you, dude. I come out of the, uh, can I curse on this podcast?
10:02 Laci Mosley? Yes. After you say like so many curses, you gonna ask, we eight minutes in, nigga, you gonna ask if you could curse.
10:09 Speaker 04 I said one, right?
10:10 Laci Mosley? Get out of here. He immediately started cursing as soon as the podcast started.
10:14 Speaker 04 Honestly, if that's real, I didn't even notice.
10:16 Laci Mosley? I said your name wrong and then you literally started cursing me out immediately.
10:20 Speaker 04 Honestly, I didn't even notice. That's on me. My apologies to everybody at home.
10:24 Laci Mosley? Well, guys, let's get into it. Let's get into it. What's hot and fraud? Guys, I'm getting letters. If you have a letter, if you have a story about a time that you were hoodwinked or you did a con, please only tell us about the retired cons, okay? I'm not trying to fuck up your bag.
10:39 Speaker 04 Facts.
10:39 Laci Mosley? But email us at [email protected] because we would love to hear about it. So this scam comes from someone I'm gonna call Tisha. That's not her name, but I can be putting our governments out here. So, just stumbled upon your pod and I'm loving it. Oh, very kind. Here is a scam that happened to me and some of my psychologist colleagues, which I heard about from our local psychologist professional forums. Okay, forums, everybody got a Facebook group now. Okay, psycholology?
11:08 Speaker 04 Uh, we know you went to college, we got it, we got it.
11:10 Laci Mosley? So someone, I call it a Facebook group. She said, we got professional forums.
11:14 Speaker 04 I know, it's a forum. Don't disrespect her like that. She just told you, she said, me and my psychology colleagues.
11:19 Laci Mosley? Colleagues, she didn't say friends, homies.
11:22 Speaker 04 She working at some college somewhere.
11:23 Laci Mosley? Okay, okay. Someone called me on my private cell and caller ID showed up for the number for the San Jose Police Department. So this is a nor- this is like a normalized scam now where people are hacking into like people's like legitimate government officials' numbers to use it to contact you. So you can scramble, I guess, a number or you can make a number appear on someone's caller ID to be something that you're actually not calling from. And it's happening all the time. So someone is posing as the San Jose Police Department. A man identified himself as an officer and gave a badge number. That's also, you know, it's gonna be a scam when anybody gives you a number over the phone.
12:03 Speaker 04 Why is a cop calling you?
12:05 Laci Mosley? Right. That's, that's another thing. I'm like, if you called me, also, if you're a cop and you calling me, I'm hanging up.
12:11 Speaker 04 Exactly, yeah, for what? Listen, I don't know.
12:13 Laci Mosley? I would deal with the cops in person.
12:14 Speaker 04 I don't know this person's real name, but I feel like I know her.
12:18 Laci Mosley? And this is a you root. So. So, a San Jose Police Department number called her. This police officer verified himself by giving a badge number, which is completely fake. That's not a real thing. And also, like, what am I supposed to do with that badge number? How I'm supposed to check to make sure that's legit? I got a system? What I'm supposed to do? Google it, like, hmm, checks out, what?
12:39 Speaker 04 Also, don't call me, you a cop. Don't call me. Like, I don't feel safe on the phone. That means you know me.
12:44 Laci Mosley? They shoot you through the phone.
12:46 Speaker 04 You know, you got my number?
12:48 Laci Mosley? How they did it, but they did manage to shoot me through the phone.
12:50 Speaker 04 Phone electrocute?
12:51 Laci Mosley? They said they were scared of my phone voice. And then they shot me.
12:55 Speaker 04 His voice got loud. Y'all think it's a game?
12:57 Laci Mosley? It's not. This sounds like a joke, but then literally I'm gonna see this on Twitter news in like a week, like.
13:02 Speaker 04 Damn, they got my man.
13:03 Laci Mosley? They got my mans through the phone.
13:07 Laci Mosley? How bad is that? It's so sad. It's being black so hard.
13:13 Laci Mosley? So this cop, in quotes, said that she had been subpoenaed as an expert witness in a case involving patients and failed to appear in court and that the judge had put out a warrant for her arrest. I asked who the patient was and he said he couldn't reveal that info.
13:29 Speaker 04 That makes no sense.
13:30 Laci Mosley? If I was supposed to come, should I know who to pay?
13:33 Speaker 04 What's the verification process?
13:35 Laci Mosley? So they have expert witnesses who go to court, um, sometimes in trial to explain things so that the jury can like further understand, like, whatever. The mental health state of whoever's on trial or whatever.
13:47 Speaker 04 I used to watch The Practice.
13:48 Laci Mosley? Right, right, right. We all watched Law and Order SVU, you know what I mean?
13:52 Speaker 04 I don't mean, SVU be scaring me. I'd be like, yo, it be, it be, it be black dudes on that joint just going to jail all the time. I'm like, y'all need to diversify this.
14:00 Laci Mosley? I'm basically a lawyer because I've seen so much Mariska Harkait and Law and Order SVU. I'm like basically a lawyer.
14:06 Speaker 04 You watch How to Get Away with Murder?
14:08 Laci Mosley? Hell, yeah. So I can get away with mad murders now.
14:10 Speaker 04 I learned on that show.
14:11 Laci Mosley? You know what I mean?
14:12 Speaker 04 Smart as hell out here.
14:13 Laci Mosley? I was like, damn, I could really do some murders.
14:15 Speaker 04 Hell, yeah.
14:15 Laci Mosley? That and on Scandal, when they be cleaning up after, like Scandal, remember the early days of Scandal? It was just Kerry Washington get her back blown out by the white president and it was them cleaning up murders.
14:27 Speaker 04 Let's take it back. Let's take it back, okay?
14:30 Laci Mosley? That was literally it. Every scene was like Olivia Pope with a big purse and gotta clean up a murder. And like gotta clean up a politician murder.
14:37 Speaker 04 And then she gotta go bang the president?
14:38 Laci Mosley? She gotta go bang the president.
14:39 Speaker 04 You know, duty I do for the country, man, listen.
14:41 Laci Mosley? She was at the Oval. He was getting in that Oval.
14:44 Speaker 04 No, wait, so was he, was he married? Did he have a person?
14:47 Laci Mosley? Hell, yeah, he was married.
14:47 Speaker 04 Hey, yo, listen, good for you. You know what I'm saying? You out here, her, hope her taxes were free.
14:53 Laci Mosley? Right.
14:53 Speaker 04 You know what I'm saying?
14:54 Laci Mosley? So while she was getting her back blown out, they would be also be cleaning up murders. So I also feel like I know how to get away with the murders. Anyway, so she says she knew this was a scam once he said expert witness because those people are paid to testify and I couldn't be an expert witness in my own patient's trial because it's a conflict of interest. So anyway, he said the judge was willing to be nice and let me off with a fine rather than jail time. Insert eye roll here. Just to mess with him, I said I would take the jail time.
15:22 Speaker 04 Also, first off, first off, why she on the phone with this cop this long? Okay?
15:26 Laci Mosley? Some people like entertaining nonsense.
15:28 Speaker 04 Nah, man, cuz this is my thing, alright? You could be, you could be hacking in to my, cuz you know on your phone, you got your passwords kinda saved on there for websites. I'm like, you could be hacking into my stuff as I'm talking to you. I seen the movies, keep him on the phone, keep him on the phone as we going to his whole thing.
15:41 Laci Mosley? As we find his location?
15:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's like, no, but they could, I could be on the phone and it's like, oh, man, you got your Bank of America thing saved on the phone. Boom, boom, I got it. You got your Chase Bank.
15:50 Laci Mosley? I don't know if that's how it works.
15:51 Speaker 04 Listen, I seen TV. Alright, I see a lot of TV, okay?
15:56 Laci Mosley? You see a lot of TV.
15:57 Speaker 04 I see a lot of TV.
15:58 Laci Mosley? Okay, great, wonderful. Um, so just mess with them. She says she'd take the jail time. He said that officers would come pick her up. I said I could meet, they could meet me at my house and I had to get a babysitter because the kids are on summer break. Then I cheerfully said goodbye and hung up. I called the real San Jose police and a semi irritated officer confirmed this is a scam and that the police don't warn you if you have a warrant for your arrest. They just try to ambush you and take you in.
16:25 Speaker 04 You know what?
16:25 Laci Mosley? My scammer's a lazy sociopath and not that bright. Thank you, Tisha.
16:30 Speaker 04 I can verify that. I, uh, uh, when I got arrested, I had a warrant for a speeding ticket.
16:34 Laci Mosley? Oh, my God, you got arrested?
16:35 Speaker 04 I had a warrant for speeding ticket. I didn't know. I moved to New York and it was like, oh, the DMV doesn't forward mail. So I was like, I don't remember ever, I do not remember getting a ticket, but they're like, oh, it should have been forwarded to you. Oh, sorry. I was like, oh, how come you don't forward mail? I was like, but I don't remember getting a ticket. Well, and I got arrested when I got arrested with my parents. You know what I mean?
16:53 Laci Mosley? What?
16:53 Speaker 04 It was wild, it was wild.
16:54 Laci Mosley? So when they pulled you over, you had a warrant?
16:56 Speaker 04 So, so I didn't know, so I had no idea. So like legit.
16:59 Laci Mosley? Damn, niggas just be having warrants. That's why the cops be pulling us over. No, I'm playing.
17:03 Speaker 04 I was in New York for three years. No idea. I'm chilling, you know? So I, I, you know, she's validated. She talked to him for too long, though. You know what I mean? Also, she snitched. She called the cops. I don't know how I feel about it right now.
17:13 Laci Mosley? What do you mean she snitched?
17:14 Speaker 04 She called the cops. She called the real cops. Why, why like?
17:17 Laci Mosley? So she's trying to stop people from getting like played. I'm sure someone has sent him money. The weird thing, though, is he's scamming like a community of like intellectuals.
17:26 Speaker 04 But also, you think that cop she called did anything? Like, for real?
17:30 Laci Mosley? Hell, no.
17:30 Speaker 04 That cop ain't do nothing?
17:31 Laci Mosley? She said he was semi irritated on the phone. He was probably like, yeah, yeah, I'll make a report.
17:35 Speaker 04 So she snitched, so she snitched for nothing. What she should have did, she should have called her cousin, you know what I'm saying, who's good with computers, traced the number, all right? Found out where that dude was at.
17:45 Laci Mosley? You have seen a lot of TV.
17:46 Speaker 04 All right, call him back on a new line, be like, hey, uh, man, this is your bank. We need to verify your social security. I got that call up recently.
17:54 Laci Mosley? And then, oh, you did? That's a popular one that's going around right now. And I feel like millennials are getting, and I've talked about it on the show already, but we all think there's no social security left. So I feel like it's very tempting if you're like, social security, I'm like, y'all got, y'all got some coins left?
18:07 Speaker 04 I know, they ain't got no coins. I'm good. Like, I'm done. I better save up now. You know what I mean?
18:11 Laci Mosley? We all have to save for retirement now as millennials, because it's trash.
18:15 Speaker 04 Yep, facts.
18:15 Laci Mosley? But yeah, so, so sorry, Tisha, that you had that mild run in. With a scam cop.
18:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:21 Laci Mosley? But anybody calling your house, guys, for any reason and giving you any verification numbers, automatically hang up. That shit is fake.
18:28 Speaker 04 If you got a cousin that you want to talk to in a minute, you know what I'm saying? They call you like, oh, how's it going? Hang up on them too. You know what I'm saying? They heard you probably got some money and got a new job.
18:37 Laci Mosley? Hang up on your family as well.
18:38 Speaker 04 If you don't know that cousin, that cousin is stranger. You know what I'm saying? Don't be calling me for what?
18:42 Laci Mosley? When random family members call you, it's always about money.
18:44 Speaker 04 For what?
18:45 Laci Mosley? It's never not about money. And Steve Harvey, who is, we talk about on your podcast. He's so problematic. And his teeth are so big. I can see his teeth right now.
18:54 Speaker 04 His suits are better, though.
18:55 Laci Mosley? Yeah, his suits are much better. Marjorie upgraded him and introduced him to Purple Label.
18:59 Speaker 04 She's a scamming queen.
19:00 Laci Mosley? Oh, honey, I have to do an ep about her. She's a goddess.
19:04 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:04 Laci Mosley? But, um.
19:06 Laci Mosley? Wait, so but Steve Harvey would say like with family members calling you to ask for money, you always want to be like, hey, okay, let, uh, let me think about it. Let me see if I can do it. Give me a few days. And then you wait like two weeks and then you call him back and like, do you still need the money?
19:23 Speaker 04 Wait, so they say yes, so they say yes?
19:25 Laci Mosley? No, but like in two weeks, like they will have figured it out.
19:28 Speaker 04 Hold it. I mean, look, I'm not gonna call back. And people call me now and be like, hey, man, I heard you, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah.
19:34 Laci Mosley? Not I heard you.
19:35 Speaker 04 Like, my mom, my mom be, my mom hit me with the text, hey, I heard your other cu- your cousin know they calling. And I was like, oh, bet, thanks.
19:44 Laci Mosley? She gave you the warning? Yo, I, I'm, I've been lucky enough that that hasn't started happening yet. But I, because I am on TV, now people show up to family events in ways that they never did before. Like, our family reunions were packed now. My mom's like, oh, my God, I fucking forgot you're on TV. Everyone's gonna come now. She's so mad.
20:01 Speaker 04 Who you know? Who you know? You work for such and such, can you get this? I'm like, hey, yo, man, I'm still, I'd be like, I'm broke. I ain't got it. I'd be like, yo, I just went on the strip and I ain't got it.
20:09 Laci Mosley? Cause I like iconography. So I'd be like, I'm broke. Yeah, these are Balenciagas, but I'm broke.
20:15 Speaker 04 See, but that's why you broke. See, that's, that's what I think. It's like, oh, man, you know.
20:17 Laci Mosley? I spent it already.
20:18 Speaker 04 I just got these off wives. I'm broke, man. I can't call it, dog. Like, I'm sorry, man.
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21:58 Laci Mosley? And we're back, guys, and it's time. Congregation. That's what I call my fans. Congregation, yeah.
22:05 Speaker 04 Okay, congregation.
22:06 Laci Mosley? And we're back, and we're into my favorite segment, historic hood winks. So I'm gonna regale Jarob with a historic con. You know what I mean? Really worthy of our prayers. And let's just get his thoughts.
22:18 Speaker 04 Okay, okay, I'm ready, I'm ready.
22:20 Laci Mosley? So, this is actually very fun, because I don't think that this scam was caught. I don't think the scammer was caught.
22:27 Speaker 04 Oh, really?
22:28 Laci Mosley? He got away with this.
22:29 Speaker 04 Yo, you won.
22:30 Laci Mosley? But this is Edward Putman from the UK, who conspired with a Camelot insider, Giles Nibbs. These are some British-ass names.
22:38 Speaker 04 Putman? His first name was Putman?
22:42 Laci Mosley? Edward Putman and Giles Nibs.
22:45 Speaker 04 Putman.
22:46 Laci Mosley? Giles Nibs, that is the most British name I've ever heard in my life. How the audacity to name your child Giles, wild. To cheat, so they cheated the system and they made a winning counterfeit lottery ticket to claim an outstanding 2.5 million euro prize in 2009.
23:09 Speaker 04 Wow.
23:09 Laci Mosley? So this is recent. For somebody who shaded me and said 1999 was not recent, 2009 more recent for you. I'm petty.
23:18 Speaker 04 I mean, 1999 is 20 years ago.
23:20 Laci Mosley? I'll call out my Twitter trolls.
23:21 Speaker 04 That's 20 years ago, you know what I mean?
23:23 Laci Mosley? Okay, so you agreeing with him?
23:24 Speaker 04 I mean, listen, you know, I'm a guest, I'm a guest.
23:26 Laci Mosley? Wow.
23:26 Speaker 04 I'm a guest, oh man.
23:28 Laci Mosley? This nigga Gerard is disrespectful. He came on my podcast, one, cussed me out in the first two minutes.
23:32 Speaker 04 I don't remember that, I'm sorry.
23:33 Laci Mosley? Cussed me out, talking about I was mistreating him, and now you going inside with the troll.
23:37 Speaker 04 Take my apology, I'm sorry, black woman, I love you.
23:40 Laci Mosley? Oh, do you? I don't know, I'm sorry to question. So I'll begin. Putnam has been described as a bully who is a heavy drinker and prone to fits of violence. He's also been convicted of wounding with intent in a case in the mid 80s when a neighbor in another area was attacked. So I guess he attacked his neighbor. For six years, Putnam is alleged to have lived happily on the proceeds of the 2.5 million euros. So he got away for six years. But the secret fraud was exposed when a friend killed himself following an angry confrontation over how the winnings were divided, a court heard.
24:16 Speaker 04 Wow.
24:17 Laci Mosley? So here's my thing. If you are mad about the money being divided, you're not gonna get none of it if you die.
24:24 Speaker 04 I'm gonna get him, I'm gonna go after him.
24:26 Laci Mosley? That's crazy, yeah, that's crazy. So that's a sad thing that happened, but I guess this is really what blew up. So he didn't get away with it. They would have gotten away with it, though. That's the crazy thing, if they hadn't have fought, they would have got away with this shit.
24:37 Speaker 04 There's always one friend.
24:37 Laci Mosley? And this is like 3 million US dollars.
24:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm, I'm not gonna lie, man, if I could pull this off, I would do it.
24:43 Laci Mosley? Oh, absolutely.
24:44 Speaker 04 I would do this in a second. And I probably would be like the guy who lived, I would probably try to rip everybody else off.
24:50 Laci Mosley? Damn, you're not even gonna try to be fair about it. You gotta go Ocean's Eleven and split the money equally and then all y'all niggas like have cigars after.
24:57 Speaker 04 I remember I watched this, this, this, uh, was it like a E, E True Hollywood or something? But it was on like winners, like the winner's curse or something like that, a lottery people. So like every time, any, clearly even if you fake win the lottery, you still die or something bad happens. Like apparently no matter what happens, bad things happen to people. You know what I mean?
25:14 Laci Mosley? I once did a reenactment show where it was like a guy who won the Lotto and then like got murdered by like his new friend who was also his accountant.
25:22 Speaker 04 Yo, listen, I'm telling you this, if I won the Lotto, I'm spending all that money in a year. Like all of it. I don't even care how much that, I don't care how much this. I'mma go, I'mma find a little black, he like, "Ay, yo, take this, take this 1,000 real quick." And I'mma just spend it. Cause my thing is-
25:34 Laci Mosley? That's what this guy did. He got murdered.
25:36 Speaker 04 Listen, that's what, this is my thing. I'm like-
25:38 Laci Mosley? You don't wanna down that, that's the key.
25:39 Speaker 04 Someone gonna try to murder me, so I'm like, I'mma, I'mma just go balls out. Like either that, I'mma get cursed.
25:45 Laci Mosley? You don't have to tell anybody that you won the Lotto.
25:46 Speaker 04 No, man, I ain't gonna be one of the people that show up with their face covered and hands covered. Nah, man.
25:50 Laci Mosley? You showing up with your face out, your raw face?
25:53 Speaker 04 I'm not only showing up with my face out, I'm showing up giving thank yous. "Ay, I wanna thank that job for firing me. I wanna thank that girl for saying I wasn't gonna be nobody." I'mma just crap on everybody. I'm like, "Yo, oh, for real, fool? You said I would never-
26:06 Laci Mosley? So you're asking to get murdered. Like everything that you're saying is like, one, you're gonna give out money randomly, so people are definitely gonna be trying to hit you up all the time. Two, you're gonna show up to accept the Lotto ticket with your raw face out and you're gonna be antagonizing anyone who's ever robbed you on national TV.
26:21 Speaker 04 Mike Tyson used to walk around New York with a fur coat and be like, "Come at me." And you know what happened? Nobody came at him because he's crazy for doing that. So they'd be like, "Oh, man, Dry ain't got nothing to, something wrong with him. He got nothing to live for. He out here just being like, 'Come get me.' I don't wanna come after him." This might be part of the game.
26:38 Laci Mosley? I'm gonna say that that does not work all the time. Tupac operated that way and they came and got him.
26:43 Speaker 04 See, this is my thing, man, but Tupac used to make those like emotional songs too, so people knew he had a heart. You know what I'm saying?
26:47 Laci Mosley? You know, this is, I, I-
26:50 Speaker 04 People knew he had a heart.
26:51 Laci Mosley? Guys, tweet me if you agree with Jerome.
26:52 Speaker 04 I'm saying, think about it like this. If you-
26:55 Laci Mosley? This is crazy.
26:55 Speaker 04 If you listen to this, you at your job, next thing you know, you're like, "Oh, man, I need to start acting like I don't care about getting fired." You might get promoted.
27:02 Laci Mosley? I think that only works if you're white. If you start acting like you don't care about getting fired and you're black, your ass is gonna be in grass.
27:08 Speaker 04 Listen, alright, if you, if you black at the office, start acting like what white Chad would do. Just see what happen. You might, you walk around like white chat, white chat walk around like nothing is a problem.
27:17 Laci Mosley? WWCD.
27:18 Speaker 04 You know what I'm saying?
27:19 Laci Mosley? What would white chat do?
27:20 Speaker 04 Man, he gonna walk around, no problem. Walk around with that confidence. You gonna get promoted. You gonna be the boss.
27:25 Laci Mosley? Oh my God. So, fake ticket. Giles Nibs, I always have to say his name in the British accent. Giles Nibs.
27:32 Speaker 04 That name is the worst.
27:33 Laci Mosley? Honestly, you can't do nothing good with your life when your name is Giles Nibs.
27:36 Speaker 04 Can you imagine being Miss Nibs?
27:37 Laci Mosley? Miss Nibs? Ew, ew. Or Mr. Nibs? Ew.
27:43 Speaker 04 Your parents have to come and pick you up today. Mr. Nibs is on his way.
27:47 Laci Mosley? Hi, Mr. Nibs, we're calling in regard to your son.
27:50 Speaker 04 Imagine hooking up with somebody like that and he's like, hey, okay, you, can you call me Mr. Nibs? Can you call me, call me Mr. Nibs?
27:56 Laci Mosley? Oh, Mr. Nibs. Oh, oh, that's bad. Oh my God. So Giles Nibs worked for a company's fraud detection department and knew how to cheat the system. And this is always necessary in a good con. It's like you have to have a window of opportunity and you also have to have like what I call a doggy door. You know what I mean? There's a front door, there's a back door, there's a window, but there's always a little doggy door that people kind of forget about. They forget it's there. Like you may lock your windows, you may lock your doors, you may lock your back door, but that doggy door, sometimes you forget about it.
28:27 Speaker 04 People come in the back door all the time.
28:28 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
28:29 Speaker 04 Cause unexpected, it's creep right in the back door. And you're like, oh shit, what you doing back there?
28:32 Laci Mosley? Right. So he figures out that he can cheat the system. Nibs, who worked for Camelot between 2004 and 2010, had been in the office late one night when he saw a document being printed containing details of big wins that had not been claimed yet.
28:48 Speaker 04 Mmm.
28:48 Laci Mosley? So now we got a win of opportunity, right?
28:50 Speaker 04 Smart, smart, smart Nibs.
28:52 Laci Mosley? And of course, he just happened to see this. Like, bruh, we know you was going through them papers. Miss Nibs?
28:57 Speaker 04 Mr. Nibs knew he was doing.
28:58 Laci Mosley? So Edward then pressured the lottery security employee to help with the scam after previously making a fake winning ticket for him as a joke. So it's crazy to me that he had to pressure him, cause I'm like, if you make a fake winning ticket as a joke, that ain't no joke. You showing me you can make a fake winning ticket?
29:15 Speaker 04 But isn't that illegal? Is that, is this illegal? This whole thing is illegal. Gotcha, gotcha. I'd have been like, ay, ay, ay, you ain't about to swindle me.
29:20 Laci Mosley? So Edward's friend, Stephen Warren. Told the Sunday Mirror that pun, which, what a paper name, the Sunday Mirror.
29:27 Speaker 04 Sunday Mirror.
29:28 Laci Mosley? That paper's going out of business.
29:29 Speaker 04 Come on babe, Black Mirror, you know.
29:31 Laci Mosley? That Putnam waved a fake winning ticket in front of neighbors five months before he scooped the jackpot. So Putnam even went as far as to make friends toast to his win and promised to buy them houses. This was a joke that Putnam had put on.
29:48 Laci Mosley? So basically, Nibs works in security. Putnam works with the tickets. Putnam had made a fake ticket and like, was like, oh, I won, we all, I'mma buy you houses, it's lit. And then was like, ha, ha, this was a joke to all his friends. If you did this to me as a friend, like Putnam, I'mma beat your ass.
30:08 Speaker 04 I'm like, yeah, where's, where's, where's, where's the house?
30:11 Laci Mosley? Promised people houses. I'm sure a lot of people, if they were in any kind of financial distress, were actually like excited and relieved for a second.
30:19 Laci Mosley? Putnam is a dick. He was like, yeah, yeah, I'mma pay for your cancer treatment, I'mma get you a house, Sally gon' walk again.
30:26 Speaker 04 He should've got, like where I'm from, like when I was growing up, like people wouldn't like beat you up, they would just hold you down and just beat your legs.
30:37 Speaker 04 You would just keep tagging somebody, like you, like everybody, it'd be like six, six motherfuckers just beating somebody leg.
30:48 Speaker 04 One, no bruises can prove it. And then like people would wobble, you gonna remember that for days.
30:55 Laci Mosley? Are you in the mob? You psycho. Giles in the mob, guys.
31:01 Speaker 04 Legs, get the legs, you good.
31:03 Laci Mosley? I guess that's a scam.
31:07 Laci Mosley? So, he did this whole thing and then it wasn't funny. So everyone was like, we weren't impressed that you made this fake ticket, it wasn't funny, why would you do that to friends? And then Giles was like, I wish I had asked more questions. Cause then he didn't realize like, oh man, if you could make a fake winning ticket, you could do this again if there's money that's unclaimed. So he kind of put two and two together later in the game. But his, everyone was. pissed at him after he did this.
31:33 Speaker 04 Of course.
31:34 Laci Mosley? Like, what an asshole. So there had been some trial and error in producing a successful forged ticket because there were a hundred different possible unique codes printed on the bottom. So NIBS created numerous different specimens of the forged ticket, each with a different combination of a unique two-digit checksum code and all the winning numbers for an unclaimed pop. Then, with the deadline to claim the prize rapidly approaching, Mr. Putnam allegedly visited twenty-nine different shops, providing a different ticket each time before the right number was found. So basically, there's a code at the bottom of the ticket. So even if you make a fake ticket with the fake numbers, there's a code that coincides with what the lottery is looking for.
32:17 Laci Mosley? So they just had to keep going to different lottery places and giving the same winning ticket but with a different code on the bottom until they got it right.
32:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, how did, how did one of the twenty-something places did not say, "Hey, that dude came in here with a ticket that didn't match up"? I guess no one cares. They're like, yeah, why would you care?
32:36 Laci Mosley? No one cares. They're like, back to my, you know what I mean? This is also a convenience store.
32:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, true. Why you care?
32:41 Laci Mosley? Think about who works in convenience stores. They don't give a fuck.
32:43 Speaker 04 True. Do the convenience stores get any money? If they like the store? So if they're the store that is at, they get money too? Oh, that's dope. Okay, good for them.
32:50 Laci Mosley? Yeah, they get a little bonus. So the convenience store got to keep their cut because it was like, look, we didn't know that this was a scam.
32:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, true, true.
32:56 Laci Mosley? So lucky convenience store guy, look, this helped somebody. So then with the deadline approaching, they went to a bunch of shops and finally they submitted the right ticket. So Keely said the defendant eventually submitted the correct code at a shop in Wycombe. That means nothing to us.
33:13 Speaker 04 Ah, nothing.
33:14 Laci Mosley? On August twenty-ninth, two thousand nine. So we've pulled up a photo of NIBS.
33:19 Speaker 04 Oh, he like, he gets one to, oh, poor NIBS.
33:21 Laci Mosley? He looks like a con artist.
33:23 Speaker 04 I know, but it's the one who-
33:24 Laci Mosley? I wouldn't trust it. He has a little bit of a soul patch. You can't trust anybody who got a soul patch. Like, they're definitely doing crime. And then this is Putnam? Oh, these men, they look like they've been living hard. Damn.
33:37 Speaker 04 I know. I'm gonna start taking more naps and drink more water.
33:40 Laci Mosley? Yeah, I'm gonna take a nap right after. Guys, everyone, wherever you are, take a nap because you don't want to look like these men. Google Nibs and Giles, they're, they're a rough bunch.
33:51 Speaker 04 That's what happens when life gets you down.
33:53 Laci Mosley? Right.
33:53 Speaker 04 You know what I mean? And you don't get back up.
33:55 Laci Mosley? So, they finally submit the winning ticket August 29th, 2009. The bottom of the ticket was a bit mangled, but Putnam was paid the jackpot by Camelot in September 2009. Despite the bottom of the ticket mangled, slipped, kind of missing the barcode. So they did that on purpose.
34:11 Speaker 04 Oh, so they couldn't, and they still got the money?
34:14 Laci Mosley? Mm-hmm. Because it was, like, you think about it, it's an older ticket, right? This is the money that hasn't been claimed. So it's like, maybe it was sitting around and then you realized it was winning numbers randomly. So that kind of adds up with the story. So the real winning ticket may still be out there, and the real winner has never been identified. After so many years of struggling to make ends meet, he couldn't resist flashing his cash. His big weakness was cars, and lots of them. According to neighbors, there were up to 50 cars at his home in Kings Langley, which also has a mobile home in the garden.
34:46 Speaker 04 So two, two mil ain't that much. Two mil?
34:49 Laci Mosley? Maybe he was getting lots of, uh, Kia's.
34:52 Speaker 04 I'm gonna say, what you getting, bruh? Getting these used Corollas?
34:55 Laci Mosley? He was like, I don't know why, but he's got like 12 Honda Civics in front of his house.
35:00 Speaker 04 Get these used cars out of here, dude.
35:02 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he's not getting like a McLaren or like a Ferrari.
35:05 Speaker 04 I'll give me like a Cobra.
35:06 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he's definitely not getting that. He's like, got like four Miata's.
35:10 Speaker 04 Hey, you know what, though? That Miata gets you too. You know what I mean?
35:13 Laci Mosley? He got 12 Kia Sorentos. Like, sir, what are you doing? This makes no sense.
35:19 Speaker 04 Get that Sorento, get that Ford Focus.
35:21 Laci Mosley? He's like, look, he likes cars. You gotta get what you can. So, despite his multimillion pound windfall, three years later, in 2012, Putnam was sentenced to nine months for benefit fraud after going to claim $13,000 in housing and income support. So, this dude stole the Lotto.
35:41 Laci Mosley? And then went to get on welfare.
35:45 Speaker 04 Listen.
35:45 Laci Mosley? He went and got on welfare.
35:48 Speaker 04 Like I told you earlier, when you go to work, alright, just act like you have the confidence of just a straight white man.
35:55 Laci Mosley? Right.
35:56 Speaker 04 Cause I'm like, this shit don't make no, I'm a game assistant for two, three million dollars technically, and I gotta go, I spent it on Kia's and Toyota Corollas and now I gotta go to welfare.
36:06 Laci Mosley? And this guy is not a good guy. Normally I would praise scammers for like going out and getting a welfare check on top of being a millionaire because that is hilarious and perfect, but he's done some pretty fucked up stuff, um, that I'm not gonna get too deep into cause that's not what we do here, but he had some assault charges, he had, um.
36:24 Speaker 04 Sent to jail.
36:25 Laci Mosley? Yeah, and some of these were like to women, so he's just like not a good guy. He told people that his money came from property developing. No one had any inkling that he was the lottery winner. And to be honest, no one in the village wanted anything to do with him. So according to a neighbor, he's not a pleasant man, but just did what he wanted. Let's put it this way, he's never going to be a candidate for neighbor of the year. So he was also a trash neighbor.
36:48 Speaker 04 So no one cared about you, you're a trash dude. And so which one is the one who committed suicide, Nibs? Here's my thing, how do trash people always succeed?
36:56 Laci Mosley? Right, cause they're not, I, I talk about this, um, on another episode, but like they don't have any empathy. Like, and when you don't have any empathy, you be sleeping real good.
37:05 Speaker 04 I'm like, yeah, you're right, it's gotta be it, cause I mean, you're out here just doing whatever you wanna do and don't give a shit.
37:10 Laci Mosley? Yeah, but his neighbors hated him. I'm sure they hated that he had fifty Chevrolets on the, on the yard. And also like, if this was Mr. Rogers' neighborhood, no one would want to be his neighbor. They were like, we don't want you to be our neighbor.
37:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, not even the puppets. Puppets would be like, nah, dawg.
37:25 Laci Mosley? Puppets would be like, fuck off. The mailman not fucking with you, nobody fucking with you. Every time they see your ass, ain't nobody switching they shoes and playing they sweater.
37:33 Speaker 04 What would you, what would you do if you won like the lottery though?
37:36 Laci Mosley? Oh my god.
37:36 Speaker 04 Do you know, do you have an idea of like, yo, first thing first, I'm doing this, this and this?
37:40 Laci Mosley? Yeah, I'm getting a really nice house.
37:41 Speaker 04 Okay.
37:42 Laci Mosley? I'm getting a super nice car. I'm saving.
37:46 Speaker 04 Okay.
37:46 Laci Mosley? I don't know what else I want.
37:47 Speaker 04 See, I like that. That's classy. You know what I'm saying?
37:50 Laci Mosley? No.
37:50 Speaker 04 I probably buy my parents' house, but then I'm petty. So that means I would spend most of my money getting back at people. You know what I'm saying? In the most extravagant ways. You know what I'm saying?
37:58 Laci Mosley? That's a movie.
37:59 Speaker 04 It's like, if you, you know, if you bullied me in high school and I found out you were working at like-
38:03 Laci Mosley? That's so much work, Dri. You could just enjoy the money.
38:06 Speaker 04 That, this is me enjoying the money. Like this is, I have, the thing is, I have no day job. I have nothing to do but to plan revenge on you. Like, oh, you work at this coffee shop? I'm gonna buy the coffee shop.
38:16 Laci Mosley? The best success is revenge.
38:19 Speaker 04 No, it's not.
38:20 Laci Mosley? I mean, the best success is revenge.
38:21 Speaker 04 No.
38:22 Laci Mosley? The best revenge is success.
38:23 Speaker 04 See, people say that, but my thing is, is you're not feeling the pain though.
38:26 Laci Mosley? But you don't think they are? That's what Instagram is for. Instagram is to flex on your enemies.
38:31 Speaker 04 You know what? If that's the case, you're right. You know what? I'm gonna have to buy the apartment building there. I'm not gonna kick them out. I just want them to know that at any moment, I could do it.
38:39 Laci Mosley? Kick them out. You know they could move and then you just are, you have an apartment, don't they?
38:43 Speaker 04 So you know what? Better business for me. You gotta move to another apartment, cause you lived in this one. I'm gonna buy that one too, cause now I got one successful apartment.
38:50 Laci Mosley? This is insane. Also, please let me know about all of these takes. Beating people in the legs. Using all your money for revenge.
38:59 Speaker 04 You never did that?
39:00 Laci Mosley? No, I never did that. Rubbery.
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40:37 Laci Mosley? So this is when things got messy.
40:39 Speaker 04 It wasn't messy yet. Like wait this whole time?
40:43 Laci Mosley? I guess not. He's just had a lot of Toyota Corollas. Evidence suggests that Mr. Nibs was paid an initial $280,000 from Putnam for his part of the alleged con, followed by a much smaller increments totaling $50,000. But he was angry not to receive more money. And the pair clashed bitterly in 2015 over what he considered Putnam's betrayal. So he thinks at this point Putnam's like not handing over enough money. Also, bruh, so you don't even got the full 3 million and you got 50 cars? Make it make sense. What kind of cars are these?
41:18 Speaker 04 They're kids, no offense to kids.
41:20 Laci Mosley? Are these big wheels? I mean, my nigga, how?
41:22 Speaker 04 They gotta be used cars, right? They gotta be used cars. They gotta be ones with a dent in it. That's like, oh, I wanted this. I had a matchbox of this car. I'm gonna just buy it.
41:29 Laci Mosley? My man's going to police auctions. He's like, yeah, it's a little blood on it, but it's a car.
41:34 Speaker 04 Hey, you know what? I need a car. I might go to a police auction.
41:36 Laci Mosley? I need a car too. Maybe I'll go to a police auction.
41:39 Speaker 04 They probably got a drug dealer car that's probably got...
41:40 Laci Mosley? All you gotta do is sage it to get the murder off of it.
41:43 Speaker 04 Hell yeah. And also if it's a drug dealer... Just got caught.
41:46 Laci Mosley? Yeah, but also, but how fresh, though, because if the drug dealer is out here on these streets, I don't want nobody peeping my car and then thinking I'm, you know, so and so and then they spray in my car and lighten it up.
41:54 Speaker 04 You ain't wrong.
41:56 Laci Mosley? Cause I feel like gang bangers don't check license plates. I feel like they're not like, oh, look at those, that VIN number. That's the guy. Shoot him.
42:03 Speaker 04 That's a good point. But you know what, though? Maybe if it's like super cheap, you can repaint it or something. I don't know how much it costs to repaint a car.
42:07 Laci Mosley? Yeah, you know, we'll, we'll figure this out.
42:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, we just scam, we just scam the, uh, police auctions.
42:11 Laci Mosley? Right. That's my next scam. I feel like the police auctions have plenty to be scammed. So, things get messy when evidence is suggested that Mr. Nibs was paid initial, so all this money, right? This is the issue. So, Mr. Nibs's partner, Oliver. Hate that name so much. Mr. Nibs.
42:28 Speaker 04 You're trying to say it so professionally and I'm like, yo, you keep saying Mr. Nibs.
42:30 Laci Mosley? This is when things got nippy.
42:33 Speaker 04 Like, it's like you're, Mr. Nibs did this. I'm like, bruh, we gotta get this man a code name, yo. Mr. Black.
42:39 Laci Mosley? Right.
42:39 Speaker 04 Mr. Nibs.
42:40 Laci Mosley? So Oliver O'Feelin was his partner, said he had been introduced to Eddie Putnam and his partner, Lita. He described Mr. Putnam as a loud man who liked to show off. He said Lita was a lovely lady. Okay, come on, Lita.
42:53 Speaker 04 Okay.
42:53 Laci Mosley? So in May of June 2015, May and June of 2015, he asked Mr. Putnam why they were not seeing them. He was told by Mr. Nibs, it was because Mr. Putnam owed him a lot of money. So I guess they're not hanging out and then this, this, uh, O'Feelin guy, Oliver. These are such British ass names. Oliver, Oliver Twist. So Oliver is somehow in the scene. I guess this is Mr. Nibs's partner. And he's like, well, why you not hanging out with Putnam no more? Like, and he was like, I ain't hanging out with him. He robbing me, bruh. Like, he trying to scam the scammer.
43:26 Speaker 04 Oh, wait, can we do dialogue? Is that, is that, wait, who you, who, who are you right now?
43:30 Laci Mosley? I'm being Mr. Nibs.
43:31 Speaker 04 You missed, damn, I knew you were gonna say Mr. Nibs.
43:34 Laci Mosley? I'll be putting him.
43:35 Speaker 04 Nah, nah, nah.
43:36 Laci Mosley? No, go ahead, go ahead.
43:37 Speaker 04 He didn't miss it.
43:38 Laci Mosley? Go ahead.
43:38 Speaker 04 Hold on, I'll give him some nib, boy.
43:40 Laci Mosley? Hey, man.
43:42 Laci Mosley? That's your Mr.
43:43 Speaker 04 Yes, it is. So he's telling. Hey, man, I'm out here getting swindled, man.
43:47 Laci Mosley? I mean, I don't know what you're talking about.
43:49 Speaker 04 Come on, man. You see, I got all these Toyota Corollas out here, man. This ain't enough. This ain't enough.
43:54 Laci Mosley? Man, I really don't know why the front of your house look like a used car.
43:57 Speaker 04 Because I'm trying to build up to a Mercedes.
44:01 Laci Mosley? That's not how cars work. You don't get a lot of shitty cars and then it becomes a nice car.
44:05 Speaker 04 That's what you do. You vote trying the car. You get a bunch of crappy cars.
44:08 Laci Mosley? The money. I gave you two hundred eighty thousand.
44:11 Speaker 04 That's nothing for me. I can't eat with that.
44:15 Laci Mosley? Look, me and my wife later gonna go. I boat here.
44:18 Speaker 04 You got a boat? You swimming?
44:20 Laci Mosley? Yeah, that's what I did with my half of the money.
44:22 Speaker 04 You can swim?
44:26 Laci Mosley? And then all of a sudden, they're black. So the scam began to fall apart as the friendship and former business partners deteriorated. So Nibs' behavior became increasingly erratic. He began revealing details of the fraud to friends after failing to receive what he agreed to be like a million pounds. That's what he was supposed to get. So a friend staying with Nibs before his death, so Nibs was the one who committed suicide.
44:49 Speaker 04 Oh, poor Nibs.
44:50 Laci Mosley? But Nibs was a bad guy, so.
44:52 Speaker 04 I mean, they're both are trash, but.
44:53 Laci Mosley? He was a bad guy, though. He like did assaults to women.
44:56 Speaker 04 Oh, Nibs is the one who did this.
44:57 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he's not a good guy. He's a guy that nobody wanted to be the neighbor with. Got you, got you, got you. You know what I mean? Like, not that I'm not, that's a very serious topic, but I don't feel bad for him because he's not a good person. But he was telling everybody now about the con because now he mad. So and he in the streets just stool pigeonin'. He's out here like Takashi. All of a sudden, his hair is rainbow colored.
45:16 Speaker 04 He's snitching on everybody.
45:17 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he's snitching on everybody. Like, people don't even need to be snitched on.
45:21 Speaker 04 You know, Lacey stole some gum when she was twelve. You know what I'm saying?
45:24 Laci Mosley? No one is talking about that, Nibs.
45:26 Speaker 04 Stole stole some gum from a corner store. She ain't get a twenty-five cent up.
45:30 Laci Mosley? Nibs, that's the statute of limitations ain't up on that. We can't be talking about that.
45:34 Speaker 04 I want the people to know. Do your listeners know? Do your listeners know?
45:37 Laci Mosley? So, he confronted Putnam in a heated argument in June of 2015, breaking Putnam's car wing mirror and stealing his phone. Damn.
45:46 Speaker 04 Wow.
45:46 Laci Mosley? So, it was stealing his phone?
45:48 Speaker 04 This sound like a side piece. This sound like, this sound like when you, when you ain't get somebody a gif. You know what I'm saying? You got, you got, you got your, you got your man a gif and then the side piece find out about the real gif and it's like, oh, oh, for real? What do I, what do I got? I'll blub your whole shit.
46:02 Laci Mosley? Right. I feel like if you're beating people's cars and shit, like, that's passion. Y'all got passion going on.
46:07 Speaker 04 What you, what?
46:08 Laci Mosley? Oh, just like getting the money. So, Nibs was subsequently arrested for burglary, blackmail, and criminal damage after Putnam put in a complaint, a complaint to the police. Wait a minute.
46:18 Speaker 04 Yo, Putnam's petty.
46:19 Laci Mosley? Putnam, how you gonna be snitching when you are in a full-blown crime? You did crime with this man. You can't use the police when you're doing crime. You gotta go beat his legs. You, you can't go to the cops.
46:32 Speaker 04 Hey, hey, thank you. You beat his legs. You beat his legs.
46:37 Laci Mosley? You definitely cannot just go to the cops. But apparently he went to the cops and got the law involved. British people are so damn civil. This is so British. Everything about this is so British. Like, how do you go to the cops when you are literally doing crime with this man? You're like, hey, he came over to my house and got really upset because we did a crime together and he's not happy about his earnings in the crime. So, I just really need to report him to the police. Like, what? You're supposed to do, if you in the game, you got to be in it.
47:04 Speaker 04 I know, man. It's one of the things where it's like, but also, you know what it is, though?
47:07 Laci Mosley? What?
47:08 Speaker 04 He's like, I'm gonna get ahead of this. You know what I mean? He's like, if I can get you locked up, I ain't never gonna give you none of this money. You know what I mean?
47:14 Laci Mosley? But also, that's not how it works, like, deals. Like, if I were to sing on you about something bigger, then they would want us for the bigger crime.
47:20 Speaker 04 But you're a criminal already, though. They ain't gonna believe no criminal.
47:23 Laci Mosley? Maybe nobody watches Lauder SBU.
47:25 Speaker 04 I got a wife and a house. I'm like, they gonna believe me, I'm an upstanding citizen.
47:29 Laci Mosley? Right. He's the uglier guy.
47:31 Speaker 04 And, like, and if neighbors don't like him.
47:33 Laci Mosley? Right.
47:34 Speaker 04 Nobody believe that dude. Block him up, throw away the key.
47:37 Laci Mosley? So, getting caught. On October 5th in 2015, Nibs, um, unfortunately committed suicide after fearing that he would go down for 10 to 15 years for blackmail when the trial was heard. As a result, Putnam was arrested and eventually went to trial. Putnam, who arrived at court with his face masked, wearing dark glasses. See, you talking about raw face. He came with his face masked, wearing dark glasses.
48:01 Speaker 04 That's just a court.
48:02 Laci Mosley? Denies fraud by false representation and the trial continues. Judge Philip Gray said that the sophisticated, carefully planned and digitally operated fraud struck at the heart of the integrity of the national lottery. He said, "You would have gotten away with this quite plainly, but you were greedy." And he's right, he should have gave him the other half of the money. Whenever you get greedy, that's when your shit blow up. That's exactly how the college cheating scandal blew up. Was one guy got greedy, he tried to cut out the middleman, and then they got caught. So like, you just can't get greedy, guys. You could have been sneaking people into college for kingdom, till kingdom come. You could have won the Lotto and got away with it.
48:40 Speaker 04 And you just, because technically, was that three million he got? He could have gave one dude a million, you had two mil.
48:44 Laci Mosley? Come on, dude. So, the fact that Camelot had been hoodwinked in this way will of course be damaging to its reputation, like they're probably not gonna be running, I mean, they're still running the lottery. But the judge sentenced Edward Putnam to nine years in jail, and it doesn't say anything here about restitution, so I wonder if he just got to keep.
49:02 Speaker 04 Nah, man, he had to pay that back. Yeah, but he had to go to jail for nine years?
49:05 Laci Mosley? Yeah, he's not gonna serve all of that. You know he's going to Martha Stewart jail. I'm sure British jail is like, so quaint.
49:11 Speaker 04 I mean, listen, you know, did that actress have to go to jail for the college scandal? Or she didn't go to jail? What's her name?
49:17 Laci Mosley? Who? Oh, yeah.
49:18 Speaker 04 The desperate housewife?
49:19 Laci Mosley? Felicity Huffman had 14 days.
49:21 Speaker 04 14 days?
49:22 Laci Mosley? Yeah, of hard jail time.
49:24 Speaker 04 Yo, I'm not gonna lie to y'all, man. I'm not trying to shade white people on this podcast, but I just, I need that. I, man, if I could just superpower it up and it's like, oh shit, bad shit happening? Press a button, my skin turn white, and I'm safe.
49:35 Laci Mosley? Melinator!
49:36 Speaker 04 Yo, and you just safe? That's it? Nine years? He probably served what?
49:40 Laci Mosley? Five.
49:41 Speaker 04 Like, maybe? On good behavior, maybe?
49:43 Laci Mosley? On good behavior. He sounds like a likeable guy.
49:47 Speaker 04 Damn.
49:47 Laci Mosley? Well, you know what? Shout out to these con artists. You guys aren't good guys, so I can't really praise you, but this is a good con.
49:55 Speaker 04 I mean, that's a good con.
49:56 Laci Mosley? But y'all fucked it up. You fucked up the bag for no reason. You couldn't just give my man the money he was asking for.
50:01 Speaker 04 Yo, I got it.
50:02 Laci Mosley? Guys, don't get greedy. That's one of the essential rules of scamming congregation. Don't get greedy.
50:07 Speaker 04 This could be set it off for the new era. So instead of them robbing banks-
50:11 Laci Mosley? Old white British dudes set it off?
50:13 Speaker 04 Instead of like, because I heard they're trying to do-
50:15 Laci Mosley? Set it off.
50:16 Speaker 04 Say it off.
50:16 Laci Mosley? Turn it off.
50:17 Speaker 04 You could have four black women be like, yo, you know what? We ain't gonna work at this company no more. We ain't gonna rob them physically. We gonna rob them mentally by outswindling them with the computer systems they don't think we know how to use. And now you got, set it off. You know what I'm saying?
50:33 Laci Mosley? I don't know how, but a Kente cloth, like a Kente hat disappeared on Jerah's head. And he's suddenly wearing an onk necklace. And he's gone full hotel.
50:43 Speaker 04 Y'all did this. Y'all did this to me with these Brits out here swindling each other.
50:48 Laci Mosley? That's gross. Oh, my God, I'm so sorry, guys. Uh, but scammer of the week, last segment. So, an employee of the restaurant reservation app, OpenTable, made a few hundred false reservations at forty-five restaurants. Dozens of Chicago restaurant owners were scratching their heads over the fake reservation scam. He called himself Hans Gruber and Jimmy Smits and other phony names. Those names don't sound real. If you call me, you're like, hi, my name's Hans, I would like table.
51:20 Speaker 04 First off, Hans Gruber is one of the best movie villains of all time.
51:23 Laci Mosley? Right.
51:24 Speaker 04 I love Die Hard.
51:25 Laci Mosley? Right.
51:26 Speaker 04 And then he say Jimmy Smits.
51:27 Laci Mosley? Yes.
51:29 Speaker 04 That's messed up. That's a real person, you asshole.
51:33 Speaker 04 That's so rude.
51:34 Laci Mosley? Jimmy Smits like suddenly can't go to any restaurants in Chicago.
51:37 Speaker 04 What you mean, man?
51:38 Laci Mosley? You're like, no, sorry, Jimmy. We've had it with you. You can't make any reservations.
51:41 Speaker 04 NYPD.
51:43 Speaker 04 YPD. And YPD blue.
51:46 Laci Mosley? So, among other phony names, while making hundreds of fake online reservations, according to prosecutors. Prosecutors, you can get, you can come jail for this? Wait a minute.
51:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, wait, what, what is?
51:56 Laci Mosley? The San Francisco tech company he worked for called him a rogue employee who took it upon himself to make the competition look bad. So now, federal prosecutors say dozens of Chicago restaurant managers can call Steven Addison the culprit of a bogus booking scheme that left more than thousands of their seats empty on normal busy nights, costing them thousands of dollars in lost sales. Addison was charged on Thursday by the US District Court with one count of wire fraud for the dinner deserting scam that was uncovered earlier this year. This individual was making reservations, then confirming them so that we block off the tables and then would not show up, said the owner of Tavern on the Park.
52:37 Laci Mosley? The targeted restaurants all used a competing app called Reserve for customers to make the reservations. Oh, so he was just trying to ruin OpenTable for them so that people would start using their app?
52:53 Speaker 04 This is so petty. I love it. I love, this is so petty.
52:55 Laci Mosley? I love that the company said that he acted alone. They were like, he was a rogue employee. Yeah, I knew what he was doing. Yeah, I knew.
53:03 Speaker 04 Could you imagine coming in and be like, hey, yo, man, I got, I got a way to fix it. I got a way to crash the system. You know what I mean? I'm gonna just do it from my laptop. I'm gonna make all these reservations. I'm gonna close everything down and the joke's gonna be on them, because they're gonna have empty restaurants. This nigga thought he was crushing it with this idea.
53:18 Laci Mosley? But he was, because he works for the Reserve app.
53:20 Speaker 04 I love it.
53:20 Laci Mosley? So it drove traffic to the other app because OpenTable was crashing, because he was crashing it.
53:26 Speaker 04 That's genius. I'm about this. Where, where, yo, this is, this is so petty. Like, this isn't even a real scam to me. This is just like a swindle that some dude did and it's just, hey, man, see if it works.
53:37 Laci Mosley? Why you gotta go to jail for this? This is called capitalism. This is literally capitalism. This is what Americans do.
53:43 Speaker 04 Wait, they say what the person's name is?
53:45 Laci Mosley? The guy's name is Steven Addison. So you, we don't know. We don't know the race of the guy.
53:51 Speaker 04 They put that dude, they put him in jail? I don't know, this sound like.
53:55 Laci Mosley? You think it's Stevie?
53:56 Speaker 04 I got to Google.
53:58 Laci Mosley? Okay.
53:58 Speaker 04 I got to Google.
53:59 Laci Mosley? So he would use fake names, email addresses and phone numbers to book the tables to reserve on the busy nights, like New Year's Eve and Valentine's Day. I used to work in restaurants. Those are the two most popping nights in restaurants. Everyone wants to go to dinner before they go to the club on New Year's Eve and then everybody got to take their side hose out and their main hose out for Valentine's Day. I would work Valentine's Day and you don't make a lot of money because it's like when all the poor people start to go out to eat.
54:26 Speaker 04 For Valentine's Day?
54:26 Laci Mosley? Yeah, because all the, but like I worked at a really nice restaurant and it would be like all the broke dudes like splurging for the night. You know what I mean? So they wouldn't really be in there balling out like on a regular Tuesday how most of our guests would be.
54:39 Speaker 04 See, also Valentine's Day is be the swindle. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's the swindle day.
54:43 Laci Mosley? Why?
54:44 Speaker 04 Well, here's my thing. Like Valentine's Day, I'm like, yo, let me celebrate the day before and then the day after. Hear me out.
54:51 Laci Mosley? That sounds like you are cheating on whoever you're with.
54:53 Speaker 04 No, no, it's not about, because my thing is, because my thing is, all the pressure.
54:56 Laci Mosley? I never see you on Valentine's Day.
54:59 Speaker 04 Because that's the pressure. It's like the day is so, the day is so fake. I'm like, I don't want to celebrate you on this fake day. I want to let you know that I celebrate you before and after the day.
55:07 Laci Mosley? That is literally like a textbook line from like a nigga who cheats on you. Like a nigga who at least has several kids and wives.
55:15 Speaker 04 Honestly, I hear it. I hear it. Not that I said I'll hear it, but you know what though? You still get the celebration.
55:21 Laci Mosley? But you know, for women though, it's such a fun holiday because you get all these gifts. Well, if you're dating someone and you pretty much can just keep re-gifting the same vagina every year for Valentine's Day. I went to European Wax Center last, or yesterday, um, and I haven't gotten a wax in years and oh my God, it was so painful and horrible. Um, but like I went there and it was popping because it was a Saturday. So all the women were in there getting their waxes. And I was nine minutes late to my appointment and they were like, oh, you're nine minutes late. So unfortunately, I was like, unfortunately, I'm not gonna get it. They're like, I'll pay, I'll pay anything. They're like, no, you just have to wait in the back of the queue. There was this lady there and she was like, I was here 20 minutes late. So I'm waiting in the back of the queue too. She was like, it's my husband's birthday.
56:04 Laci Mosley? So I gotta get his gift ready.
56:07 Speaker 04 Yo, wait. Hey, man, fellas, can we gift things like, can we just be like, hey, hey, listen, you know, this penis gonna be the gift for Valentine's.
56:16 Laci Mosley? Penis is never a gift.
56:17 Speaker 04 They could be like, hey, listen, you know, listen, I wrapped it up nice.
56:23 Speaker 04 It's like, I got some new drawers on the day. I shaped up my stuff a little bit, so we down there.
56:28 Laci Mosley? Never enough. Only, that's the real scam, women. We can keep gifting vagina for years to come, but nobody wants a penis gift.
56:36 Speaker 04 But say it's like, hey, man, he's like, hey, you know what? I did some stretches. Had some ginseng. This is just for you. This is just for you.
56:45 Laci Mosley? No, we all know that's a scam. No one would ever let that happen.
56:48 Speaker 04 Yo, come on, fellas, we gotta be able to do something. We gotta re-gift some stuff.
56:51 Laci Mosley? You can give a bag.
56:55 Laci Mosley? Nobody want penis as a gift. There's not a gift. I can get that anywhere.
56:59 Speaker 04 Honestly, you're right. When men can get penis anywhere, dudes be like, oh, what? I can't, I can't, I can't hit.
57:07 Laci Mosley? Honor. It's an honor. But we all know men are trash. Penis is everywhere.
57:14 Laci Mosley? Oh, God. Penis is like that thing that everyone's trying to sell you all the time. You're like, I don't wanna buy it. Like, I'm good.
57:20 Speaker 04 But that's why you're being gifted it. You're not buying it. You're being gifted.
57:23 Laci Mosley? Would you like to switch your penis provider today? And I'm like, no, I'm good with my current penis provider.
57:29 Speaker 04 Also, but the thing is, this penis has been upgraded because it's been, it's like, for instance, if it's a holiday, you've done new shit to your penis. You know what I'm saying? Think about it.
57:35 Laci Mosley? What have you done over the holidays to your penis to make it better?
57:38 Speaker 04 For instance, like, just like how you would go to, uh, and get it waxed, you could get like a little, um, you can get a little weight and do penis lifts. So now you got a stronger penis.
57:50 Laci Mosley? I'm gonna start selling penis weights. I could probably make so much money.
57:54 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, you just do a little flex and it's like, you got a stronger penis.
57:56 Laci Mosley? Oh, Lord Jesus. So, Addison. Addison's scheme intended to demonstrate to the Chicago restaurants that Reserve had an inferior reservation system. Oop, and I just realized that I switched these. So this guy worked for OpenTable. And he was booking in a competitive app, Reserve.
58:15 Speaker 04 Okay.
58:15 Laci Mosley? So that, so this is also like big money shit.
58:18 Speaker 04 He was trying to crash.
58:19 Laci Mosley? He was trying to crash Reserve, which I've never even heard of Reserve. So Reserve is probably the small time money app.
58:24 Speaker 04 He did it. He worked. It worked.
58:25 Laci Mosley? Right. And they said that he intended to demonstrate that Chicago, to Chicago's restaurants, that Reserve had an inferior reservation system by crashing it. Prosecutors concurred that Addison made reservations on his own accord and did not personally profit from the scheme. I find that impossible.
58:42 Speaker 04 He had to. I mean, they knew. Also, like, why would the big company try to take out the little dog? You know what I mean?
58:47 Laci Mosley? Right, exactly.
58:48 Speaker 04 This one.
58:49 Laci Mosley? But that's what big companies do. That's what capitalism is all about. That's literally Monopoly. Has anyone ever finished a game of Monopoly?
58:55 Speaker 04 I don't play Monopoly.
58:56 Laci Mosley? Really?
58:57 Speaker 04 Because there's so many different ones. And also, like, I suck at, I, I am terrible at board games. I get so antsy.
59:02 Laci Mosley? Yeah, it's like super violent, too.
59:05 Speaker 04 Wait, Monopoly?
59:06 Laci Mosley? Yeah. I've never played Monopoly and not gotten into a fight. I have a scar.
59:10 Speaker 04 Wait, is Monopoly, that's the, don't pass go?
59:13 Laci Mosley? Yeah, that game gets intense. People be cheating, hiding money under the board. You, next thing you know, you got a, a greenhouse stuck in your eye, you know?
59:21 Speaker 04 Wow, I'm happy I don't play games.
59:23 Laci Mosley? It escalates very quickly. But yeah, so this is like so a Monopoly thing of just trying to crash the little guy to make more profit.
59:30 Speaker 04 Dang. See, that's why, see, that's why I'm playing Monopoly, you know what I mean? I don't play, what is it? I don't go to recess because I don't play. You now, come on.
59:40 Laci Mosley? Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much for being here.
59:42 Speaker 04 What, you kicking me out?
59:43 Laci Mosley? Yes, I am kicking you out. That's how this works. We are at the end of the podcast.
59:48 Speaker 04 Wait, that's it?
59:51 Speaker 04 I don't get to make a scam.
59:52 Laci Mosley? Oh, my God. Is there anywhere that you want to be found?
59:55 Speaker 04 Um, I gotta be better promoted. So, follow me at Gerard Milligan on Twitter and Instagram, and not to plug Arrival Network. I don't know. I think all podcasts love each other. If you go to Forever Dog, Black Men Can't Jump in Hollywood, we review movies with leading actors of color and talk about how the man trying to keep us down. Honestly, kinda, but in a fun way.
1:00:19 Laci Mosley? It's a very fun show. I've done it. It's a good show.
1:00:22 Speaker 04 Kind of fun way.
1:00:22 Laci Mosley? All right, guys. And as always, you can email us with your cons and frauds at [email protected] . You can follow us at scamgoddispod on Twitter and also on Instagram. And if you want to find me, Lacey Mosley, I'm at D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacey, on all platforms. Congregation, stay scheming. Scam Goddess.
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