The CIA Swindler with Sasheer Zamata (Fraud Friday)

What's poppin, con-gregation? Sasheer Zamata drops by the pod this week to expose the man who told people he was a government spy who needed money, and those people were like, "sure." Plus, a clip from the Scam Goddess premium show Con-Fessions, hosted by Laci and Priscilla Davies. Stay schemin! Research by Sharilyn Vera Sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/former-dea-spokesman-garrison-courtney-guilty-plea-cia-operative-4-4-million-fraud-scheme/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/federalnewsnetwork.com/people/2020/06/ex-federal-worker-pretended-to-be-cia-to-steal-millions-2/amp/ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:51Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? If you haven't already heard, we have the amazing Shazier Zamata on the show today.

• 3:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:01Laci Mosley?

  Shazier, I'm so happy to finally have you. I feel like you came in right when I was about to start recording with Nicole once in the studio and we were talking to you through the glass.

• 3:10Speaker 06

  Yes, it was like, I mean, I guess pre-social distancing. I was like, oh, look at them having fun over there.

• 3:17Laci Mosley?

  You came and distanced with us without us knowing.

• 3:19Speaker 06

  I did, yes.

• 3:22Laci Mosley?

  Now, I was telling you before we started recording that I was just looking at you, girl. Yes, I saw your movie on Hulu, The Weeknd. That's what it's called, right?

• 3:31Speaker 06

  Thank you for watching. Yes, The Weeknd, yeah.

• 3:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God, so nice to see. Like, first of all, you're beautiful, you're so funny, and you're just a chocolatey drop like myself. And to see a rom-com or in a fun movie like that, with just all Negroes, just, you know, no one got shot by the police, you know?

• 3:51Speaker 06

  It's nice. It's refreshing to be like, oh, we just, we all survived and like, the only drama was this, like, internal, like, this is nice.

• 4:00Laci Mosley?

  We weren't, like, I feel like there's so much trauma. I call it trauma porn. And look, some of it's necessary, like 13th and the Central Park Five. But at times, especially these dark-ass times, child, it was so nice to just have a black getaway, like.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, and we're outside the whole, like, most of it. It's just like black people in nature. Everyone's gorgeous, everyone's really funny. It was so fun to shoot, too. Like, we're in Malibu for a few weeks and it was having a great time. I fully, fully loved it. Stella Maggie is the writer-director, black woman. That was the first time I ever had that. That was amazing. It's just felt good all around. And I'm glad it's out on Hulu, it's on Amazon, so people can watch it.

• 4:43Laci Mosley?

  Guys, if you need a break from the drama, like, please, please, watch The Weeknd, it's so good. Also, I love Kim Whitley. I worked with her on Florida Girls and she's such a delight.

• 4:54Speaker 06

  Yes, she was cutting up the whole time, like, on-screen, off, just like had us in tears the whole time.

• 5:01Laci Mosley?

  She's a full-blown comedian. And you know what was wonderful about her, too? I'm sure shooting in Malibu was pretty nice. We were shooting in Savannah, Georgia. The Nats were attacking us. We were falling into the ocean. Like, this was not a light shoot. Like, there were definitely times that I thought I was gonna die.

• 5:19Laci Mosley?

  It was like, is we gonna die today? And Kim would be so upbeat and happy about everything. Like, if she, like, missed a line or something, she'd be like, now, don't call Jackie Harry, don't call Jackie Harry to replace me.

• 5:33Speaker 06

  That is very funny.

• 5:34Laci Mosley?

  I love that. So, wait, Shazier, do you have any relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ran a scam?

• 5:41Speaker 06

  I feel like in my early twenties, I got scammed a lot just because my face is so, like, trusting. Like, I feel like people will look at me and be like, that's, that's an easy target. Like, I just have the word "green" tattooed on my forehead.

• 5:58Laci Mosley?

  You look nice. I will say that.

• 6:00Speaker 06

  I look nice. Thank you very much. I feel like, I feel like my, I don't know how to describe it. It's just a look. Like, I do feel like now I do look nice, but like, I have more of a, like, I've lived.

• 6:13Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 6:14Speaker 06

  Like, in my eyes, but at the time, I was just like, I'm excited to be here!

• 6:21Speaker 06

  And everyone's like, oh, she's new. Like, I remember I was walking down the street in New York, in Manhattan, and I passed by a psychic place and this woman was sitting in the windowsill looking out, a psychic. And she saw me, pointed at me, it was like, you, like, ushered me in, like, waving me in. And I was like, oh, she needs my help! And so I, like, skipped in there.

• 6:44Laci Mosley?

  I've been chosen.

• 6:45Speaker 06

  Yeah. She needs me. And she sat me down, talked to me for a long time. She's like, I have something very important to tell you. It's important that you of all people get this information. And I'll tell you if you pay me $25. And I was like, oh, my God. People in New York are so helpful. Like, people keep saying the opposite and yet all you gotta do is pay $25.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  Right, she got you off the streets. She says, sis, I have tea that's just for you, life or death.

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Yes, no one else was doing that.

• 7:18Laci Mosley?

  Enter your credit card info. And I will save your life. But technically, that's how the hospital works, too. So, did you pay?

• 7:27Speaker 06

  I didn't. I wised up. I did talk to her way too long, but then I was like, I have to go. I don't think this is right.

• 7:36Laci Mosley?

  Well, that's what they do. That's a person.

• 7:38Speaker 06

  That is what they do.

• 7:39Laci Mosley?

  That's a great scam because that's a person who is counting on your empathy and building the sense of a relationship, which is probably why she talked to you so long, so she could disarm you. And then you could be like, well, I don't want to waste her time. Like, I guess I should pay her $25 to see if I live tomorrow.

• 7:59Speaker 06

  Absolutely, yeah, I got, got.

• 8:01Laci Mosley?

  I got two choices, I could wake up and see, or...

• 8:05Speaker 06

  Or just pay $25 now and no.

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  Truly, that's, okay, I can see that. But you don't, you don't seem to me like a Mark Shazier, so I would say that.

• 8:15Speaker 06

  Thank you, I appreciate it.

• 8:16Laci Mosley?

  And also, you didn't get played. You talked to her and then you...

• 8:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, I did, I did say no. But there was, like, other times where, like, people would just ask me for money on a train. Like, they'd pass a whole car of people and be like, well, she doesn't know any better. And I didn't. And like, I remember one time I gave a guy some money because he had a whole story about, like, need to take the train somewhere to find his sister, you know, like, something. And I can't remember how much money I gave him, but I was like, oh, this will help him. Go have a full day, get back on the subway. He's still there, asking for money. And I was like, I just gave him the money he needed to get the ticket to go see his sister. And...

• 8:55Laci Mosley?

  You wanted to update. You were like, how was your sister?

• 9:00Speaker 06

  Did you see her? Now, now where are you going? Is it a different sibling? What's going on? Um, yeah, I just felt like thankfully, nothing seriously bad happened. No one's getting me out of like a lot of money or anything, but um, actually, I, this also didn't happen, but it was creepy. So I was hard upon money. And I went on Craigslist to like find gigs and there was like, and I've been told I have nice feet.

• 9:27Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 9:29Speaker 06

  There was.

• 9:31Laci Mosley?

  You sure you was gonna become a foothold? Listen, I ain't mad at it. If you gotta get out here and put them toes on the corner, you gotta do what you gotta do.

• 9:38Speaker 06

  Look, it takes a while for a comedy to start paying you. So I had to find something to supplement the years. So I was like, let's see what my feet can do. And someone, some guy was like, I run a website where I make videos with feet. Your face and body doesn't have to be in it, but um, you know, people will watch it for your feet. And he's, and so I emailed him and then he responded. He's like, here's an example of the videos. And it was him, like Ted, or you know, like to some dude, uh, just like a very portly man. Kind of rolling them around and wrestling with women's feet and like putting them on his face. And I was like, is this like,

• 10:24Speaker 06

  are, are people actually watching this or is it just for Ted? Like, who's watching this being like?

• 10:29Laci Mosley?

  I'm uploading it for sure. No, I'm definitely uploading it.

• 10:33Speaker 06

  Who's watching this being like, I can't wait to see the next adventure Ted's going on with these feet. Like he was mostly, it was mostly him in the video and the feet were happened to be there. But I was like, I don't think that's right. I don't think that's what people want. So I just didn't respond.

• 10:47Laci Mosley?

  I feel like the foot fetish industry is so straightforward. So the fact that he was like, I'm gonna be the star. Your feet are gonna be like the co-star, like I'm gonna put you in some open toe socks and play with them for an hour. He was just trying to get people to let him play with their feet.

• 11:04Speaker 06

  I think that's what that was. Yeah.

• 11:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And you don't need a foot pimp when you're doing footwork, cuz you could just do that at home.

• 11:11Speaker 06

  Exactly. I could be an entrepreneur. I could just put my feet in the camera, have a live feed or whatever, and then people pay. I know that now. I didn't know that then.

• 11:19Laci Mosley?

  Right. What year was that? Cause technology was probably.

• 11:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was like probably two thousand nine, two thousand ten.

• 11:26Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's when people started just getting what like internet famous, right? Like MySpace was over, but and then people started to move to YouTube. But it wasn't like.

• 11:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was like the boom of the YouTube people.

• 11:36Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 11:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:37Laci Mosley?

  Right. I wish I had got in on that. I could have just been on the internet. I don't know, scratching my ass. I'd be a millionaire by now.

• 11:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, although it seems like all people who are super famous in the beginning with YouTube are getting called out for all the crazy shit they've been doing for the last 10 years and being like, oh, I guess that was racist when I dressed up like a Muslim woman and ran through the street, you know, like,

• 11:59Laci Mosley?

  like Shane Dawson, who was doing blackface and not even funny blackface. Like if you're gonna do blackface, can you at least be Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder? We never canceled him cuz it was hilarious.

• 12:09Speaker 06

  Cause it, and it, and he was aware, like that was part of the joke. But yeah, there's people who were not well-equipped with the information on why that would or would not be funny and um, ran amok.

• 12:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he got attacked by Will Smith's family too, uh, cuz of that poster where he was pretending to jack off to Baby Willow, but ooh, you don't fuck with the Smiths now. And they'll, they'll never let him go to the table. He ain't getting close to that bitch.

• 12:39Speaker 06

  You are not invited to the table.

• 12:40Laci Mosley?

  Shane's like, please let me come to the table, Jada. I'll clean the table. I'll do whatever y'all need me to do. Yeah, I can't believe they thought that shit was a good idea. Like if you go to the Queen collection and you're like, yeah, this is it. And you're alabaster, like something, come on now.

• 12:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Is you, you're already wrong if you're purchasing stuff that doesn't match your skin. Like you're just, you should just know.

• 13:02Laci Mosley?

  Right. Step one, if you are like in deep brown and deep tan of the Bobby Brown section, it's probably, you probably got to do something wrong.

• 13:11Speaker 06

  There was um, did you watch American Meme? It's on, it was on Netflix. It's like talking about like the, the viners and the like people getting famous off of the internet. Um, I think the fat Jewish was in there and Paris Hilton. And there was one girl um, who was like big on Vine. And she was talking about her downfall. I mean, she's still very famous, but she was like, yeah, all these other people got more famous. And she's like, people called me racist. And it's like, I just didn't get, didn't get it. Cause like, they don't have a sense of humor. And then they cut to a video where she's like,

• 13:45Speaker 06

  she like drew like a what, like a unibrow, like made her skin dark. And it was like, like just turned around. I guess she was trying to be a New York cabbie. I don't know. But it was just like, she was like, just had a horrible uh, Arab accent. And I was like, oh, girl. Of course, everyone thought you were racist. She, this is not like, people are being too sensitive. It's like, okay, but look at your content.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  She said, people are being too sensitive. They cut to her in the Klan robe.

• 14:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. I don't get it.

• 14:16Laci Mosley?

  This is comedy. How to tie a noose. One oh one. Like, girl, what are you doing? Yes.

• 14:23Speaker 06

  People are just too soft.

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  Well, let's get into our first segment after a good, uh, healthy dose of fun racisms. We keeps it light. Um, so this is what's hot and fraud. So Shazir, I'm gonna tell you, our listeners, they write in, they snitch on their friends, on their family, on themselves. As always, guys, [email protected]. Snitch on everyone, you know, but you know, leave out the details and make sure it's a retired con. Unless you wanna share with the community. So this one seems like, okay, what does he want me to call him? Give me a name. Shazir.

• 14:58Speaker 06

  Um, Jeremy.

• 14:59Laci Mosley?

  Jeremy. Okay, so Jeremy wrote in and he says,

• 15:06Laci Mosley?

  oh wait, does he wanna be named James? Chad, you gotta put that up top. I'm calling you Jeremy. So Jeremy says, one year I went to work at Yellowstone National Park. The company that provides hospitality there is called Xantera. Everyone, that's with a X. That sounds like a birth control pill. And when I started Xantera.

• 15:26Speaker 06

  All my problems went away.

• 15:27Laci Mosley?

  Right. So they also provide hospitality for other national parks across the country. I left a week before I was scheduled to start working and called Mount Rushmore to get a free room as I was passing through. They provided a free employee room for a couple of days. If you wanna stay for free at a national park, sign up to work at a different park. Call for a room that's on the way, bring the employee contract, and when you're done, call the employer and tell them you ain't gonna come. Say, sorry, something came up and I can't work here this season. Hope to work with you in the future. Good luck and God bless. Thank you, Jeremy.

• 16:05Speaker 06

  That's good. I like that.

• 16:08Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, national parks are government funded.

• 16:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're fine.

• 16:13Laci Mosley?

  You know, you know, we anti-government over here. Like the parks will be fine. The trees will.

• 16:17Speaker 06

  Take advantage. Yes. I like that a lot.

• 16:21Laci Mosley?

  They'll be flying. I know, I do too, cuz it's something I would have never thought of. Cause I guess.

• 16:26Speaker 06

  I guess I didn't even really know you could stay at a national park.

• 16:29Laci Mosley?

  Neither did I.

• 16:30Speaker 06

  Like that there are rooms to stay in.

• 16:32Laci Mosley?

  Jeremy's definitely white.

• 16:35Speaker 06

  They have intel that we don't get. They're like, the outdoors are mine. I can just go anywhere.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Right. We're too busy worried about racism, like trying not to get pulled over. They're like, hmm, where can I stay in the mountains? I have so much time not worried about racism.

• 16:52Laci Mosley?

  So that's the real scam right there. I need to get my free time back, uh, worried about racism. But yeah, so I guess you can just do, I wanna know if this works. If anybody tries this, let me know. But I didn't know that you volunteered to work at a park for a season.

• 17:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, I didn't either. I mean, that sounds cool too. If you're like, not working, you get to just be in a park.

• 17:16Laci Mosley?

  If you don't need.

• 17:17Speaker 06

  Cause I can't imagine it takes much. It's probably, it's probably not a lot of money. But like, what do you do? Like clean up trash? Like that's, and then you get to like hang out in the park.

• 17:26Laci Mosley?

  Right. I guess you give tours and shit.

• 17:28Speaker 06

  Probably, yeah.

• 17:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I guess. Cause wait, did he say that it was volunteer or did he say, okay, so I think it does pay cuz he says employee.

• 17:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:39Laci Mosley?

  So, okay. That could be a nice eat, pray, love moment, guys.

• 17:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, you have a whole winter where you're not doing anything.

• 17:48Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 17:49Speaker 06

  Discover yourself in a national park.

• 17:50Laci Mosley?

  When I finally evolve into being a white woman, which will happen, um, that's my ultimate scam is I will be regarded as a white woman one day.

• 18:00Laci Mosley?

  If anything mildly inconvenient happens to me, I may just run off to a park for a while.

• 18:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think it's a great idea.

• 18:07Laci Mosley?

  I think I deserve it.

• 18:08Speaker 06

  Also like, and there's like, it's not high traffic. You can just like get away, but still be in America. It's, it's interesting how many beautiful parks we have. I feel dumb saying this, but it's like, we have so many beautiful parks in America. But like, I don't know. I guess it's just easy to stay in your little bubble.

• 18:27Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 18:27Speaker 06

  And be like, this is my city, this is my town. And then I've like passed through Utah and been like, oh my God.

• 18:34Laci Mosley?

  Utah is a bessage. Okay.

• 18:36Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 18:38Speaker 06

  This is beautiful. And it's just been here the whole time.

• 18:41Laci Mosley?

  That's actually, you know what? Now that you say that, I'm very culpable of that. Cause like, I will travel, but it's mostly cuz my friends wanna travel. So I'm like, okay, pick the place. Uh, tell me where to bring my body to. Um, and then whenever I go, I'm like, oh damn, like it's mountains and trees and, oh wow.

• 18:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah. I feel like whenever I pick a vacation, I'm inclined to pick the beach. Like, we're going to an island somewhere. But there's also just great lakes and, you know, greenery here that I've just been missing. And it was also cheaper to go to cuz it's in America.

• 19:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. I, I, uh, I'm, this is very embarrassing. I was in California and in LA and probably the same area for like four years. I just started hiking at Griffith Park like three weeks ago. It was my first time going there. I'd gone to the observatory, but I didn't know that the park was so cute. I was just going to Runyon for a, for a cute moment, for a photo op. I didn't know Griffith was so beautiful.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  Now, I, I haven't done it either. I've been here for two years, but I just don't like being hot. I just don't wanna be in the sun.

• 19:49Laci Mosley?

  Fair. I go around five and Griffith has more trees in the beginning and stuff. Runyon's just straight up, hot ass sun and.

• 19:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't want that.

• 19:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and celebrities. That's why people are going. They're going for the sun and the photos.

• 20:03Laci Mosley?

  That's the great thing about wearing a mask though. And then nobody will know you're famous. They won't know you're Shazir Zamaider from SNL. So go to those parks.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, it can be like a vigilante. No, no.

• 20:16Laci Mosley?

  You just started doing crime? That's way, you took it a step further. I was just saying so people wouldn't bother you.

• 20:23Speaker 06

  No, I will now take it, take the streets. They are mine.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  I got robbed by a woman who definitely was in this movie I saw.

• 20:34Laci Mosley?

  Definitely in The Weeknd.

• 20:35Speaker 06

  I could see her face, but the silhouette looks similar. Her hair looks similar.

• 20:39Laci Mosley?

  Her voice was the same. She actually said, "Go stream The Weeknd on Hulu and Amazon," and then she took my wallet.

• 20:46Speaker 06

  She's just like, "Check out sashir.com," and I was like, "I think this is related."

• 20:51Laci Mosley?

  It's like, "No, I just really love her, and also I'm robbing you."

• 20:56Laci Mosley?

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• 23:30Laci Mosley?

  Alrighty, and we are back. And now it's time for historic hoodwinks. I'm over Gail Sashir with a historic hoodwink, and we're just gonna get her thoughts and her opinions throughout. Today's scam comes from a man named Garrison Courtney, which, what a name. He was a fake CIA operative, and he scammed people out of 4.1, or excuse me, $4.4 million. That's a lot of money. So how he did it was, before he worked at the DEA, he served as a spokesman for the Republican Congresswoman Catherine Harris. Shocker, people in the Republican Party being scammers? What?

• 24:10Laci Mosley?

  I'm baffled. Actually, all politicians are scammers.

• 24:13Speaker 06

  It's been happening for the end of time. This is very true. Doesn't matter what.

• 24:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, God.

• 24:17Speaker 06

  What side are you on?

• 24:19Laci Mosley?

  So Courtney was a spokesman, and that's Garrison, and last name is Courtney, so we'll just call him Courtney from here on. Garrison, and then I called him Garrison Chow. It's a long day. Courtney was a spokesman for the DEA from 2005 to 2009, and the scam began three years later. He presented himself as another person identified as Individual A, a CIA operative. And so I guess he would just show up and be like, "Hey, I'm Individual A."

• 24:46Speaker 06

  I feel like you shouldn't tell people you're a CIA operative, like...

• 24:49Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, it's cool, because I didn't tell you my name.

• 24:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, I just said Individual A, and they're like, "Okay, I still see your face."

• 24:59Laci Mosley?

  Right, this isn't during mask-wearing times. This is 2005, so he's fully got his face out here. So, he actually applied to be a CIA operative in 2005 and received a conditional offer, but the offer eventually lapsed, so I guess he had the offer, and then in 2006 it expired. Why didn't you just get the job?

• 25:19Speaker 06

  Oh, no. Yeah, he's not gonna be a good spy. If he's letting, he's procrastinating on just signing up. They're like, "Please come," and he's like, "I got, I'm busy." Like, "What are you doing? Isn't that, it sounds like that's your job, your dream job. Go do it."

• 25:33Laci Mosley?

  "Welcome to the CIA," and he said, "Uh, let me get back to y'all. I got something in the other..."

• 25:37Speaker 06

  It's not jury duty.

• 25:39Laci Mosley?

  So, well, maybe it's that he realized that he could probably be more successful if he just pretended to be in the CIA, which seems to be accurate.

• 25:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 25:49Laci Mosley?

  So he duped multiple public officials, including senior military members, by telling them that they had been selected to participate in a classified CIA program and needed the companies to place them on their payrolls to hide their affiliation with the spy agency. So, he would come up to you, and be like, "Oh, what's up, Sergeant? Yeah, yeah, it's me, Individual A. Um, I'm gonna need you to put me on your payroll." Because, uh...

• 26:16Speaker 06

  I would hope that the military officials would do more research before they were like, "Yeah, that makes sense." Like, "You can figure that out."

• 26:24Laci Mosley?

  Right, but the government's so wasteful with spending, especially if you're talking about the military sector. We always got money for guns. America's so trash. It's like, you, America's like your homegirl who you gave $300 because she said she was in a bind, and then the next time you see her, she got some Gucci slides, and you're like, "Where, where did you get those? Where's mine?"

• 26:43Speaker 06

  And then she asks for more money.

• 26:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, and it's like, "We have money for slides. We don't have money for you, to give you."

• 26:49Speaker 06

  Right.

• 26:50Laci Mosley?

  That's America. Oh, that bitch. Can't stand her. So, he would just say, "You are now gonna be a spy, like the spy who shagged me." You don't know what I'm referring to, do you? Anyways, put me on your payroll.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Oh, wait, is that the Austin Powers thing?

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  No, that's Individual A's secret spy friend. That's you.

• 27:09Speaker 06

  Oh, yes, yes, yes.

• 27:10Laci Mosley?

  You got it? Put me on the payroll.

• 27:14Laci Mosley?

  This makes sense. So, prosecutors said that Courtney approached businesses and claimed that they so-called, he was like a task force, right? He was working on something that was created by officials at the highest levels of the federal government. His task force included the President of the United States, the Attorney General. So, he said the Director of National Defense was involved in this, the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, and the Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration. Okay, so, everybody. He was like, anybody who's powerful. Olivia Pope, B-613, Huck, Viola Davis, Annalise Keating.

• 27:56Laci Mosley?

  Some of these people aren't real.

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  So this is what he did with the power. The story behind the nonexistent program changed from time to time. So sometimes he would be like, "Yes, Annalise Keating works for us." Other days, he would be like, "No, it's just George Bush." Sometimes he told victims that the program supported a covert special operation in Africa. Other times, he explained that its mission was to enhance intelligence gathering capabilities in response to a former contractor leaking. Okay, I'm tired reading this. So Courtney lied about his background and went so far as to make them sign fake nondisclosure agreements, barring them from discussing what he claimed was classified information.

• 28:41Laci Mosley?

  So basically, he scammed you, but be like, "Sign this NDA, though, so you can't tell nobody else that I scammed you."

• 28:47Speaker 06

  Right, right, right. That's very smart.

• 28:49Laci Mosley?

  It's very smart. Honestly, wish I had thought of it. Can I still do it? I would love to.

• 28:55Speaker 06

  Anyone can make an NDA.

• 28:57Laci Mosley?

  Right, all I need is printer, paper.

• 29:02Laci Mosley?

  So, he created phony documents to show companies that they had been awarded with contracts with various federal agencies in exchange for their assistance. Because of his former ties with the government and knowledge of the system, he was granted access to meet with the victims in facilities known as SCIFs. And an SCIF is a sensitive, compartmented information facility in an enclosed area within a building that's used to process sensitive compartmented info. Okay, so basically, he still, for some reason, his key card worked at like, the bunker?

• 29:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was getting sensitive information.

• 29:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so he had access to this place that was like a secret hideaway that was used by the government legitimately, and so he was just bringing his homegirls there.

• 29:50Speaker 06

  Hanging out like, "You'll, you'll never guess." This is cute little bunker. I can show you. No one else has access to it.

• 29:58Laci Mosley?

  That would make me feel legit, if he took me to like, a cute little B-1613 bunker, like I was in Scandal. That would make me sign over. I'd be like, "Okay, where's the NDA? Why not?" And put you on the payroll? Absolutely.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, you seem real.

• 30:13Laci Mosley?

  This is legit. So Courtney told some victims they were under surveillance by foreign intelligence agencies and would search them for electronic devices. And when his credibility was called into question, because they were like, "Why are you searching me with..." He's probably got like, one of those beach metal detectors.

• 30:30Laci Mosley?

  He's like, "Why is your metal detector..."

• 30:31Speaker 06

  It's just his iPhone.

• 30:34Speaker 06

  I don't think it's doing anything.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  No, no, it is. It is. I gotta ask.

• 30:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's excellent. I hope it was just his iPhone, and people were like, "Sir, this feels wrong." So then, if, if they would accuse him of being shady, he would accuse that person of being a spy for foreign powers.

• 30:57Laci Mosley?

  So basically he would just-

• 30:58Speaker 06

  How did that work? He's like, uh, I'm not, I'm not lying. Yeah, you're a spy. And it's like, but you've been surveilling this person sur- so quote unquote-

• 31:07Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 31:08Speaker 06

  For a long time. You should know if they're a spy or not.

• 31:12Laci Mosley?

  I feel like this is like the worst gaslighting. Like, how are you just gonna be like-

• 31:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:16Laci Mosley?

  Sir, this feels uncomfortable. And you're like, you're uncomfortable. Uh, and also you, you a spy. I know you are. I'm telling the government. I'm telling the black man from twenty-four all about you. He wasn't ever really the president.

• 31:30Speaker 06

  Yeah. Like, how are you? All your references are just from TV shows. You know who our real president is, right? And he's like, yeah.

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 06

  Morgan Freeman.

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. The man from all state commercials. Oh, he's also the man from twenty-four? Okay. I, I take it back.

• 31:47Speaker 06

  That's what I meant.

• 31:49Laci Mosley?

  So Courtney also arranged for his adult son to be hired by two of the victim companies, even though he was unqualified. So in addition to getting himself on the payroll of companies, he was like, also, my son is a spy.

• 32:03Speaker 06

  I don't like that he got his son involved.

• 32:05Laci Mosley?

  You don't like the nepotism?

• 32:07Speaker 06

  I mean, nepotism happens all the time, but I just feel bad. I mean, maybe this son's a scammer too, but I just feel, it feels like unwittingly setting your son up to be, to get in some serious trouble later down the line.

• 32:19Laci Mosley?

  That's true. I guess, but what if his son didn't know? You know, nepotism happens all the time. So what if he was just like, son, you, you got a job working-

• 32:25Speaker 06

  Now you have a job. Maybe. Hopefully.

• 32:28Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 32:28Speaker 06

  I just don't want him to be like complicit to a serious crime.

• 32:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's true. You're right. There could be a bad side to this. I hope the son didn't know, but this guy seems like a little shady, so. And also, I'm guessing if I was the son and my dad was like, hey, son, I've got your job as a defense contractor. And you're like, I majored in poetry.

• 32:46Speaker 06

  Something seems off.

• 32:48Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no.

• 32:48Speaker 06

  I didn't earn this.

• 32:51Laci Mosley?

  But I don't know. Entitlement, white entitlement. You might think you did earn it.

• 32:55Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 32:56Laci Mosley?

  So, hey, what you gonna do? Um, so a side scam. This is just a side scam that he was running while doing other scams. While the CIA scam was going on, Courtney managed to get a job as a contractor with a branch of the National Institute of Health that assists other federal agencies. In that role, he had access to sensitive, non-public information and was able to steer contracts towards companies where he was on the payroll.

• 33:19Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

• 33:22Laci Mosley?

  So, first of all, you're a workaholic, Courtney. This is-

• 33:25Speaker 06

  This is a lot. This is a lot.

• 33:28Laci Mosley?

  You got fifty-one jobs. Uncle Sam is definitely gonna catch on to you. You can't have as many W-two's.

• 33:33Speaker 06

  This is like the same energy when someone has like multiple families, where you just like, you're trying to like hide everyone from everyone else. And you're like, I gotta take a weekend trip. And it's like, what? Why? And then this family only has you for three days.

• 33:48Laci Mosley?

  But they live on the same street?

• 33:50Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 33:51Laci Mosley?

  Families are in the same block.

• 33:52Speaker 06

  All the kids have the same name, like. That's too much to keep track of.

• 33:57Laci Mosley?

  It is. That is fun. That's a smart way, though. You just name all your illegitimate kids the same names as your other kids.

• 34:03Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:03Laci Mosley?

  Can't mess that up.

• 34:04Speaker 06

  The boy is Brian.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Brian, Brian.

• 34:07Speaker 06

  The girl is, is Gina.

• 34:10Laci Mosley?

  The girl is other Brian. Everybody's named Brian. I don't have enough bandwidth for anything else.

• 34:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, just Brian, please. Brian, one, two, three.

• 34:20Laci Mosley?

  And you're like, dad, you, there's only two of us here. Oh, I said Brian three. Oh, um. I was thinking about getting us a dog.

• 34:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. Surprise.

• 34:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh. So he had this side scam where he worked at a legitimate business. I, sir. So obviously this goes to trial. Um, the scheme lasted from twenty-twelve until at least twenty-sixteen. Garrison Courtney pleaded guilty to one count of wire fraud during a hearing in federal court in Virginia. He faces up to twenty years in prison and his sentencing is in October. So this is still going on. We don't know how long he's gonna be in the clink. And he must pay full restitution to the twelve unidentified companies as a part of his plea deal. Now, I love how the, I, companies were like, don't put my name in there.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Yep. That, cause it's embarrassing.

• 35:09Laci Mosley?

  They're coming to trial in masks and it's not for social distancing. They're coming in ski masks.

• 35:14Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. I don't want you to know that I fell for this.

• 35:18Laci Mosley?

  They have to be companies that we know.

• 35:21Speaker 06

  Oh, absolutely.

• 35:22Laci Mosley?

  I want somebody to find out.

• 35:24Speaker 06

  Yeah. I'm sure there's a way. I'm, I'm sure when they go through the trial, they have to make it public. Cause they'll have to testify.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  You're right. And then maybe if there's a jury, there's, it's gonna come out. We're gonna know who these companies are. Guys, I'll keep the, my ear to the ground on this. Cause everything always comes out. Like, I remember, remember when, uh, at the Oscars, they switched Moonlight and La La Land?

• 35:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:47Laci Mosley?

  I know who did that.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  You know, like the guy?

• 35:52Laci Mosley?

  I know the guy. He, uh, I, I used to, I can't say too much, cause I don't want you guys to figure out who this is, but I used to perform with him. And one day, it, one of my other friends whispered to me, he was like, you know, that's his dad, right? And I was like, oh, that makes so much sense. And now I fully believe that it was an accident and that it really wasn't an intentional thing to like try to give La La Land the award or to steal anything from Moonlight. Cause knowing this guy's son and like how he is, I was like, oh, this is, was a man who was just genuinely excited and made a mistake.

• 36:23Speaker 06

  Oh, God.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 06

  But I, I mean, that's a, that was a huge mistake.

• 36:30Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 36:30Speaker 06

  A very, very public mistake.

• 36:33Laci Mosley?

  And they, that's why he tried to keep hidden. They were like, it's, it brought shame on our family. They're like living Pepperdine, like.

• 36:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, God.

• 36:43Speaker 06

  Damn.

• 36:44Laci Mosley?

  I can't say anything else. But yeah, so I think this will come to light. I think that we'll figure this out.

• 36:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:48Laci Mosley?

  I'm excited.

• 36:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:49Laci Mosley?

  Um, so the US Attorney's Office says that they won't comment on whether individual A could face charges or if the person who was cooperating. Hmm. Oh, okay. So basically he's saying like, the, the US Attorney's Office right now is saying, if we, you were cooperating with Courtney, we're not sure if we're gonna press charges on you yet. Because maybe you really did think he was in scandal.

• 37:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:11Laci Mosley?

  And maybe you really did think that this was legit, so. I hope that the, the marks don't get charged.

• 37:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, they were taken advantage of.

• 37:21Laci Mosley?

  But also like, did y'all ever talk to anybody about this deep cover operation? Your wife?

• 37:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:28Laci Mosley?

  Me drinking buddies, military friends.

• 37:31Speaker 06

  They only signed the NDA, they couldn't.

• 37:34Laci Mosley?

  Nobody honors those. You just tell somebody, don't tell nobody what I told you.

• 37:38Speaker 06

  Right.

• 37:39Laci Mosley?

  We all have one friend we're breaking NDA for.

• 37:42Speaker 06

  Oh, absolutely. Yes. I tell Nicole everything.

• 37:46Laci Mosley?

  I was about to say, is yours Nicole?

• 37:48Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 37:50Laci Mosley?

  She's pretty, she's pretty tight lipped. So that's a, that's a good NDA person to have. Well, I'm sure in your relationship. I mean, in what, but I'm talking specifically about this. No, any other capacity, we all love to gossip.

• 38:02Speaker 06

  Oh, yes. Absolutely.

• 38:04Laci Mosley?

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• 40:42Laci Mosley?

  All right. This is the saddest part. Because this is when I have to let Shisei her go. And I don't want to do that. But this has been so fun. You've been so lovely.

• 40:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is very fun.

• 40:54Laci Mosley?

  I turned into my fake NPR voice. This has been so fun. You've been so lovely.

• 40:57Speaker 06

  Thank you for joining us and.

• 41:00Laci Mosley?

  Having Ms. Demeter here has been a treat.

• 41:04Laci Mosley?

  So before we let you go, we want to honor one famous charlatan. Some are famous, some are not. But this is our scammer of the week session where we just honor one person, a grifter that we feel like is worthy of our praise. And this week, this is a scammer who pretended to be someone's grandmother. So they trolled right back. We've talked about granny scams on here. We talked about granny side. Granny side is where you kill your granny, but so that you can pretend that your granny dead to get out of things.

• 41:35Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh. Oh, not actually kill.

• 41:38Laci Mosley?

  No, you don't actually kill her.

• 41:39Speaker 06

  Just say.

• 41:40Laci Mosley?

  You just say she's dead.

• 41:40Speaker 06

  Oh, I can't come because my, I see, I see, yes.

• 41:43Laci Mosley?

  And they're like, but your granny died last year. This is my other granny. This is my step granny.

• 41:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have five grannies, so.

• 41:49Laci Mosley?

  My grandpa was a hoe.

• 41:53Laci Mosley?

  So this is where you pretend to be someone's grandma, which is interesting. So when a Reddit user got scammed, a scam text from someone claiming to be their own grandmother, they decided to turn the tables by playing along while wasting the scammers' time. So I'm just going to read a little bit of the comments. So this says, a guy from Nigeria pretended to be my grandma, so I had some fun.

• 42:23Speaker 06

  Why is it always Nigeria?

• 42:25Laci Mosley?

  Because that is the Silicon Valley of scams. And homo Nijah, all day, every day. I love, you guys are innovators. I hope everyone there is wearing a black turtleneck, just looking like Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs of robbery, okay?

• 42:42Laci Mosley?

  Look, in this world, there are the makers and the takers, okay?

• 42:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, they are the innovators.

• 42:48Laci Mosley?

  So this guy starts texting this guy and he's like, answer me. I'll, I miss you. And then the scammer is like, I miss you too. I'm still feeling sick because basically the grandma texted and was like, hey, is your grandma feeling sick? Like, can you send some money because granny is sick?

• 43:07Laci Mosley?

  So then the scammer texts back, you had me worried crying granny. I was so sad. And the scammer is like, I need your help now. And then he's like, need me to come over? And he's like, no, help me by going to the store now and getting the $200 Steam Wallet gift card. I really need it. I'm using it to surprise someone special to me. The troller goes, oh.

• 43:29Speaker 06

  That's so specific.

• 43:30Laci Mosley?

  Right? Also, weren't you just sick granny? Now you're going to surprise parties?

• 43:36Speaker 06

  Now, why are you worried about your friend? You're sick.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  Right, granny, you stretching yourself too thin. The troller goes, oh, who is it? And then granny goes, I will not tell you that yet. Just help me get the card first. And then the troller goes, oh, is it for grandpa? Do you need me to help you to drive to the store to get it?

• 43:56Speaker 06

  That's funny.

• 43:57Laci Mosley?

  That's so funny. Guys.

• 44:01Speaker 06

  Why don't you send to me a picture of your face? And you know, let's just FaceTime right now so you can fully explain what you need.

• 44:08Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 44:08Speaker 06

  From, from the store.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  And also, that is, that is hilarious. Also, that reminds me of one more scammer of the week I want to shout out, which is Gen Z, who I spent like a week ago, a lot of time fighting with on Twitter because I was making fun of them.

• 44:26Laci Mosley?

  Because they were making fun of us. Gen Z has so many TikToks that are like millennials ruined everything. Millennials are the reason that everything we watch on TV is from the 90s.

• 44:35Speaker 06

  Well, everyone thinks that the generation before them ruined something. And then also the generation under them is ruining stuff.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  I feel like no one thinks Generation X ruined anything. We're just kind of like, I don't know, why are you guys so sad? But the boomers were like, you guys fucked it up. Gen X are like, we're not thinking about y'all, girl. Y'all sad as hell. And then millennials, they're like, why are y'all so happy? Y'all don't own anything. And they're like, because we gave up. We gave up on it.

• 45:04Speaker 06

  We did.

• 45:04Laci Mosley?

  You know how many avocado toasts I can get for the price of a house?

• 45:09Speaker 06

  But Gen Z seems like they really don't give a fuck. They're like, we will scream in a cop's face. Like, I love just seeing all those memes that are like, I, I will ruin a Trump rally. I will scream in a cop's face, but I have anxiety calling the doctor.

• 45:26Laci Mosley?

  I appreciate their dedication to anarchy for sure. But I was saying.

• 45:30Speaker 06

  I love it.

• 45:31Laci Mosley?

  They have so many videos about us that are like, you know, like they have 12 roommates and they can't get a job and all this shit. I was like, damn, y'all is, why I thought we was friends?

• 45:41Laci Mosley?

  I was like, it's crazy to me how Gen Z is trying to come for millennials' economic prosperity when they're about to pay $100,000 for Zoom University.

• 45:49Speaker 06

  Right? Like, it's not going to get better. You're not going to have a better time.

• 45:54Laci Mosley?

  It's going to get worse. But I said that and then it was like, have you ever seen that meme of the grown woman squared up against like the three-year-old?

• 46:02Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 46:02Laci Mosley?

  That was me on the internet just fighting children.

• 46:06Speaker 06

  That's very funny.

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  But I did it mostly for my sister. She's Gen Z and she loves to talk shit about me. But anyway, the point of this is Gen Z has been dressing up like grandmothers and putting on masks and going to the store to try to buy alcohol.

• 46:21Speaker 06

  That's really funny. That's really, really funny.

• 46:24Laci Mosley?

  So I just would like to say the grandma scams, I love all of them. They're so good.

• 46:28Speaker 06

  They're like stacked on top of each other in a big trench coat.

• 46:32Laci Mosley?

  That's what I hope is happening. Absolutely. Yes, well, this was so fun.

• 46:38Speaker 06

  Yes, very fun. Thank you for having me.

• 46:40Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being here. Is there, where can people, where do you want to be found? That's what we ask on the show. Where do you want to be found? Anything you want people to see?

• 46:48Speaker 06

  You mentioned it before, but check out The Weekend. I'm very proud of that. I have a show called Woke. It's going to be on Hulu in September that I'm very excited about.

• 46:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes, with LeBorne.

• 46:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:00Laci Mosley?

  I love him.

• 47:00Speaker 06

  Oh, great. Oh, nice. Yeah, it's a good crew of people. I think it's going to be really funny and timely. What else? I have a movie called Spree coming out in August that I'm excited about. It's like a thriller.

• 47:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 47:13Speaker 06

  Kind of more comedy thing. Yeah. Branching out a little bit.

• 47:20Speaker 06

  Best Friends podcast. Nicole Byer and I host a podcast on Earwolf about friendship and we answer friends' questions. And yeah.

• 47:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And guys, you can always find this podcast at [email protected]. If you want to email, snitch on your friends and family, scamgodispod on all platforms. Guys, I know I haven't put shit on the Instagram. I'm locked out of it. I've been fighting with Instagram about that. They're scamming me. We'll see when I ever am free. Y'all start tweeting free Lacy A Instagram. And then if you want to see my nonsense, D I B A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. All right, congregation, stay safe.

• 48:05Laci Mosley?

  Where y'all going? Look, I know this episode was a little on the short side, which is why I want to give you guys a preview of my bonus content on Stitcher Premium. The show is called Conversations and it's where we read your letters with my co-host, Priscilla Davies. If you like what you hear, you can subscribe at Stitcher Premium and get a month of free listening using code scam. That's Stitcher Premium using code S C A M. Hope you guys love it.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  This next scam is an oldie. So shout out to y'all who were in school 25 years ago.

• 48:41Laci Mosley?

  This person says, hi, my name is Devon and you can use my name because this is 25 years old. Okay, Devon, I'm going to use your name then. Back in my elementary school, we had these things called Davidson dollars. This sounds like something that happens 25 years ago.

• 49:00Laci Mosley?

  The money was named after the school and had the school mascot, a dragon on it. We earned the money by doing odd jobs around the school and behaving in class. This already sounds like a scam that the school was running on students. Because like, what kind of odd jobs are you having the students do? Like, all right, if you mop up the kitchen, that's three Davidson dollars.

• 49:23Speaker 06

  Go ahead and clean that vomit up. Put the sawdust down.

• 49:28Laci Mosley?

  That's 1.5 Davidson dollars. Like, y'all are turning these kids into employees. I hate America. I hate the economy. How you going to put these little cheer into work like this?

• 49:39Speaker 06

  That's bad.

• 49:40Laci Mosley?

  So some teachers would give them out for making good grades. And this Devon was elected into the school justice system and would work as a judge during his lunch hours.

• 49:50Speaker 06

  This whole school is a scam. I want out. They got the kids doing their own judge work. Come on now.

• 49:58Speaker 06

  These motherfuckers are running the school. What the fuck? Where are the adults?

• 50:02Laci Mosley?

  I feel like the teachers were just like taking long lunch breaks or leaving. It's like, you get 10 Davidson dollars to proctor the exam today, Tony.

• 50:12Speaker 06

  The hell?

• 50:14Laci Mosley?

  Ms. Swanson is going to be in her car smoking a doobie.

• 50:17Speaker 06

  Okay, Ms. Swanson, what does proctor mean?

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  Ms. Swanson? She's already gone.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  Gone.

• 50:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so this is, this school is bizarre to say the least. Um, so he was a judge during his lunch hours and he saw different cases where people would counterfeit Davidson dollars and use them at the school to redeem class prizes. He would then sentence them to detention and whatnot.

• 50:46Speaker 06

  I mean, also, I love the fact that he has to take his, he's working through lunch. This little child in elementary school is, is working through his lunch. Anyway. Talk about counterfeit Davids, I'm done. He had to adjudicate, I'm done.

• 51:04Laci Mosley?

  They got these kids working like Raven-Symone. Like you starting at three and you will never stop. So he would give him detention and whatnot. I'm very curious as to what whatnot is.

• 51:16Speaker 06

  This school could have been a lot of shit.

• 51:19Laci Mosley?

  Right. After getting a few cases and understanding how they got caught, I decided to give it a try. Wow. Corruption.

• 51:32Laci Mosley?

  Of America. Like, they're like, we're gonna get these young capitalists on here, quick Davidson dollars.

• 51:40Laci Mosley?

  Like I stabbed my classmate and stole all his Davidson dollars.

• 51:47Laci Mosley?

  So Devon said he tried to, he, he decided to get his hand in the game and go dirty. He said he had a friend that worked for the bank.

• 51:54Speaker 06

  They have a bank?

• 51:57Laci Mosley?

  And I got to see how the money was made. So I took the knowledge I had and I printed a few one and five dollar bills because they were nothing. And anyone wouldn't think to question. And they were printed on plain white paper.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 52:13Laci Mosley?

  Counterfeit. We starting the babies with counterfeit in elementary school.

• 52:17Speaker 06

  Elementary.

• 52:18Laci Mosley?

  So after a few months of doing this, teachers and principals caught on to the students using fake money to buy things. So they changed all the money over to colored paper and double sided printed the money. I happened to get the inside knowledge before the switch because of my friend, the friend who works at the bank.

• 52:33Speaker 06

  This nigga is doing too fucking much. Devon, Devon, Devon, come on now.

• 52:42Laci Mosley?

  Coincidentally, my term was coming up and I was up for reelection.

• 52:47Speaker 06

  I hate this story.

• 52:51Laci Mosley?

  Is this made up? Even if this is made up, it's very funny. But this is just insane. So he said he didn't have much time to print the money. I tied with another young lady and wouldn't make as much being a judge, so I decided to go bigger with my counterfeit Davidson dollars. I loved having inside knowledge and I needed my friends to be closer to me because he was my bestie then. Still to this day, one of my best friends. So they got on the scam together and they are still tight. I love it. He was also in the court system as my deputy.

• 53:23Laci Mosley?

  What? Our deputy? Because I had to share with the other, what the hell? Okay, so, cause he had to share with the other girl, this was the deputy. Child, this is complicated. So he said that he got another job at the student shop to prepare for his pivot. Because, what? I'm just gonna keep reading, y'all. I can't. So because I couldn't print on white paper anymore and it was getting phased out, we would wash it through the bank store with colored money.

• 53:52Speaker 06

  I'm gonna go now. I don't want anymore. This nigga said, he's wa, he's laundering money. I can't.

• 54:01Speaker 06

  We would wash it. At the, at the motherfucking store you get, what, erasers? Pencils?

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  Is he a criminal now? I need to know because this is, this just shows you that scammers are born, honey. You know, like, you are just.

• 54:16Laci Mosley?

  He said, so at this point, we would exchange my small bills for larger bills. We never got caught because my mom moved in the middle of fifth grade and I just had to stop. The things we could buy were snacks, little toys, but we also had book sales and a student market day where we could get clothes and jewelry. I bought my mom a hideous purple dress and jewelry once that she never wore, but kept it for years. I love that Devon was like out here crying and he was like, here, some, I got you something nice, mama.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  He's throwing Davidson dollars at her like, treat yourself.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  Okay, got my mama a house.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, how is the school funding all of this basically free shit that the kids are buying with fake money?

• 55:03Laci Mosley?

  I'm starting to think like maybe they cut a staff member at this school.

• 55:06Speaker 06

  Oh, they, they did.

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  And they were like, okay, we'll just have all the kids do the janitor's job. If we have all the kids do it, we'll save money by paying them in trinkets. Davidson dollars.

• 55:19Speaker 06

  Okay, we don't need a dean here. Let's just have the kids, they'll adjudicate their own problems. I can't believe it. This, first of all, I wanna go to Davidson. I wish I had gone to Davidson.

• 55:34Laci Mosley?

  And he says, side note at the end, the way kids got caught was because there was a water gun in store that was an astronomical amount of money. When kids went to buy it, teachers would step in and ask about it. If you were keeping up with your grades or had multiple jobs, there's no way to prove. So basically they're saying like, so if you were keeping up your grades and you had multiple jobs, there's no way to prove that you stole your Davidson dollars or counterfeited. So he always kept multiple jobs. Cause he was like, no, look, I'm paid up out here, okay? I work in ju, justice department. I got a homie at the bank.

• 56:14Laci Mosley?

  So I have multiple jobs.

• 56:22Laci Mosley?

  But if you ain't have no job, so basically the teachers were like the IRS, they gonna keep one shiny thing in there and swoop in like Uncle Sam, like where you get all that money to buy that water gun? You ain't got no job. Your grades are bad, Percy.

• 56:35Speaker 06

  You were talking in class last week. I kicked you out eight times. You don't deserve this Nerf gun. The hell? This school was wild. Devon, like,

• 56:47Speaker 06

  you might be in for some back pay. You might wanna put out a su, a suit against your, your elementary school, cause they owe you for all this that you did.

• 56:56Speaker 06

  Have you or a loved one worked at Davidson Elementary and su, suffered injuries from unpaid labor?

• 57:04Laci Mosley?

  They're probably making these kids get in the air ducts. They're like, it's twelve Davidson dollars if you get in the air duct.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  Oh my god, we have, we've been having a rat problem. If you bring back a rat, that's eight, eight Davidson dollars.

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  So in short, if you went to Davidson Elementary, y'all, go ahead and get y'all back pay, cause y'all been working since the beginning. It's not right. It's not okay. I love that everybody was scamming everybody, though. The teachers scamming the students. During the pandemic, there's a point where at the same time, forty million Americans were unemployed and Jeff Bezos was on a track to be the first trillionaire.

• 57:54Speaker 06

  Woo, let's not even get, eh, eh, not to mention what he does to his employees.

• 57:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. What happened to the trickle down? What happened to like, if we don't make billionaires pay taxes, they gonna hook it up? They ain't hooked up, nothing.

• 58:05Speaker 06

  They never do. They never do. They never have. And it's crazy that they keep like, people still sign up for that shit. Like, they never have.

• 58:16Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna be a hater. I don't wanna be a hater. And maybe this will be your motivation out there, scammers. But the chances of you making a trillion dollars in your lifetime are extremely, extremely, extremely low. Don't let these billionaires and trillionaires tell you like, you gotta be poor your whole life, cause maybe you gonna be a billionaire like them, maybe. And then maybe you can have some rights. Like bitch, I'm tired of waiting for rights.

• 58:43Laci Mosley?

  I ain't made a billion dollars and I got four jobs.

• 58:53Speaker 06

  And he still ain't a billionaire. Okay?

• 58:58Laci Mosley?

  He wasn't even a billionaire in, uh, the, the school dollars. In the Davidson dollars. He couldn't even make a billion of those and he was counterfeiting.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  That was a great scam. Oh man, there's so many levels to it. So many levels.

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