S2E26: Rewired through Neuroplasticity: The Brain's Ability to Heal | Talk Tracks

In this episode of Talk Tracks, Ky Dickens sits down with Mo Pritzker, whose life was upended by chronic illness, leaving her bedridden for years without answers from conventional medicine. After being told there were no more options, Mo turned to neuroplasticity, the brain’s ability to rewire itself. What followed was a profound shift: not just in her health, but in how she understood the relationship between the brain, the body, and healing. Drawing from her personal recovery and her work today, Mo explores how the brain can become stuck in patterns of fear and hypervigilance, and how interrupting those patterns may begin to restore balance. What if illness isn’t only happening in the body, but in the way the brain has learned to respond? Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to be more than a listener, to help shape what’s next, and to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call, subscribe today:thetelepathytapes.supercast.com. http://thetelepathytapes.supercast.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Ky Dickens?

  Hey everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and welcome back to the Talk Tracks. Today, we're having an incredible conversation with Mo Pritzker. After debilitating journey with Lyme disease, which left her bedridden for years and with very little hope, as doctors told her, "There's nothing more we can do for you," she found a way to heal herself through neuroplasticity, which is the brain's ability to heal itself by creating new neuropathways. This incredible experience led to her co-founding a company called ReOrigin, a science-backed, self-directed neuroplasticity brain retraining program that pretty much anyone out there can do from home. It's an incredibly informative episode that will hopefully give a lot of solutions and hope to anyone out there suffering from pain, chronically, mental or physical.

• 0:42Ky Dickens?

  If you want to see our incredible guest in person, we have a video version of this episode on the Telepathy Tapes YouTube page.

• 0:52Ky Dickens?

  Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Dickens and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Tracks. In this series, we'll dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the Telepathy Tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to the Telepathy Tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today but won't for long.

• 1:30Speaker 01

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• 2:01Ky Dickens?

  So Mo, welcome to the Talk Tracks. It's so great to have you here.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:04Ky Dickens?

  I've learned so much from you. I've been so inspired by you as someone who's truly gone through a deep hardship and has changed the world because of it.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Thank you. Well, thank you for having me and thank you for saying that. And I really appreciate being here.

• 2:19Ky Dickens?

  Well, people are gonna love this episode. They really are because we get a lot of questions on healing. It's like the number one thing.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:25Ky Dickens?

  I think that, well, it's for most people's life, it's such a pain you live with every day. If you are facing a chronic illness or you are taking care of someone who is, it's like the desperation that so many people feel, right? It's how do I get better? How do I help someone I love get better? And I think Western medicine, in many ways, it can be great. Some of the medicines can be great, but I think it doesn't have all the answers. And it certainly doesn't have the bedside manner or the connection with the spirit to really heal the enormity of our healthcare crisis.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, 175 million people in the US have at least one chronic condition. And that's half of the US population. So you have to ask, what is happening that we've ended up here? Yes, there's environmental factors, there's stressors, there's all of these things. But is there also something happening with humanity that's giving us a wake-up call? We need to start paying attention to how we're living, how we're being, how we're treating ourselves, how we're treating others. I think that that is a big wake-up call, this crisis. But I do think there's a shift coming. And I think people are starting to understand and not wanting to feel that way, not wanting to live that way anymore. It's unnatural.

• 3:33Ky Dickens?

  So why don't you take us back to how your journey started? And for the audience today, we're talking a lot about chronic illness and how to recover from things that can often feel unrecoverable and how consciousness, the brain, spirit, all plays into it.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, my experience with health has been a long one and probably the most important one of my life. When I really trace where it started, it definitely started in my childhood. And there were definitely signs of my health maybe not Being stable over the course of my young life, my teenage years, my twenties. But I always treated the symptom and got better and it always seemed to be fine. Really what the final straw was, was when I had my son and I just couldn't seem to bounce back. The symptoms kept getting worse and worse and I was more and more tired to the point that I was bedridden. And I really couldn't function anymore.

• 4:31Ky Dickens?

  But did you have any idea what was going on with you at that point? You just thought you were tired?

• 4:34Speaker 02

  I thought I was tired. And I thought, well, I just had a baby and maybe it's because I've taken care of a baby or... But then there were more and more symptoms that started to emerge and I really didn't know what was going on. And then there was sort of this final, what I like to call a perfect storm, where I was really stressed, I was really unhappy, I had gotten some type of infection. It was just, all of these stressors kind of happened at once and my system collapsed. And that's when I really was bedridden and I realized, wow, I am in a situation that I have never been in and I need to figure out how to get out of it.

• 5:12Ky Dickens?

  And like you really could not get out of bed?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  No, I was bedridden for almost two years.

• 5:17Ky Dickens?

  Oh my gosh.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  And you know, it's funny because when you find yourself in that situation, you have a lot of time to think and you have a lot of time to reflect. And it was a very dark period, but it also was a very important period in my life. And I also went into my uber efficient mode, which is, I'm gonna figure this out. And I went on this journey that I now understand I was supposed to be on to figure out what was going on. I was of the mindset, I will do anything, I will go anywhere, I will talk to anybody because I have to get better. I had a son and a life and I wanted to get back to that.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  So I did end up doing a bunch of treatments that did get me better, or so I thought. But it was always kind of tenuous, right? It was always sort of like, I was never fully over the hump. I never felt fully like, okay, I'm really well. And as the universe does, it made me realize I hadn't learned what I needed to learn. And I relapsed. And when I relapsed the second time, it was much worse than the first time, much worse. And I said, okay, I'm just gonna go back to all the things that I did. And I did all those things again, and none of them worked.

• 6:34Ky Dickens?

  What were some of those things?

• 6:35Speaker 02

  I did every treatment from blood transfusions. I did hydrogen peroxide therapy. I did UV light therapy. I did energy healing. I did herbs. I did everything you could imagine. And most people that do end up with a chronic condition, they end up spending so much time and money on it. But the condition is just a symptom. And so you can keep trying to treat the symptom, but the condition is still there.

• 7:02Ky Dickens?

  Were you diagnosed with anything at this point yet?

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had been diagnosed with multiple things. I was diagnosed with Lyme disease. I was diagnosed with Epstein-Barr. I was diagnosed with mast cell activation. And it became this cascade that was really overwhelming for me, even if it's just one of those things. Like, how do I get out of this when nothing's really working? And I remember it was the last doctor appointment I went to. And I explained to the doctor, here's what I've done, here's my history. And he literally looked at me and said, I don't know if there's anything I can do for you. And there happened to be a book on this desk. And he kind of tossed the book at me. And he said, you know what, maybe you need to go home and heal yourself.

• 7:42Ky Dickens?

  Wow. What book was it?

• 7:43Speaker 02

  It was a book about neuroplasticity. And even before I picked that book up, I knew innately that that book was the answer. And also, when he said, you need to heal yourself, there was something that rang true to me about that. And I thought, this is exactly what I need.

• 8:00Ky Dickens?

  And Mo, just take a minute and explain to people what neuroplasticity means, and maybe some of the big headlines in that book that were resonating with you.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Sure. So neuroplasticity is our self-directed ability to reorganize the function and the makeup of the neural connections in our brain through specific techniques. And I think the things that rang true to me were, the book talked a lot about different conditions and why they weren't solvable through traditional medicine. And really, the main thing it talked about was that it was a limbic impairment of the brain. So... It was the brain overreacting and staying in an overreacted state for a long period of time, inflaming the body and creating illness because the body's dysregulated and it becomes depleted. And I thought, that makes a lot of sense. Why is no one talking about this?

• 8:51Speaker 02

  And why is no one talking about the connection between the brain and health? We talk about the gut, we talk about all these other things, but not really the brain. The funny thing about neuroplasticity is this is not a new concept. Ancient cultures used neuroplasticity. If you look at meditation, if you look at their healing practices, so many things in ancient cultures point to the understanding that the brain is just the gateway to a higher place. And they understood that that was an important connection to the body and the soul. So it really resonated with me because it wasn't about taking a pill or solving one symptom.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  It was about a holistic idea of the being and the brain and the brain's place in that. So that resonated with me.

• 9:40Ky Dickens?

  Oh, my gosh. Okay. And so I think for some people listening, and I want you to go into more of your journey, but they'll probably be wondering, well, what type of things can you do on your own to change the patterns in your brain?

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Well, you know, the cool thing about the brain that I've learned is that it's completely malleable. You can, you know, when you do neuroplasticity, if you look at a brain before and after, it literally changes the form because what you're doing is you're breaking neural pathways and repaving over them with new neural pathways that are positive. And so really, the big part of neuroplasticity is to understand looping.

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• 11:35Speaker 01

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• 12:11Speaker 02

  Looping is when the brain and the limbic system has taken over and started creating these neural pathways that are telling you things to protect yourself.

• 12:21Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Ultimately, the limbic system, it holds a lot of different regions. So like the amygdala, hippocampus, hypothalamus, it's your ultimate protector. And its job is to protect you from threats that, and it's constantly, behind the scenes, you don't realize it, scanning for threats. And what happens with chronic illness, and this could even just be anxiety, is that the brain becomes hyper vigilant and it starts constantly scanning. And the more threats it sees, the more it tells you that you're in danger. And so, things you can do is... Become aware of these patterns. So one of the things when I started doing neuroplasticity that I was shocked at was

• 13:01Speaker 02

  how many times a day my thoughts were looping into negative places, places, thoughts that were over exaggerated, compulsions, all of these different things. So the first step of neuroplasticity is to become aware of your thought patterns. You know, are you saying to yourself, I'm not good enough, I'm too fat? Or this person wronged me and I'm angry at them and you start compulsively thinking about that. It's becoming aware of your thought patterns and your consciousness. You know, what state of being are you in at that moment? And once I became aware of those things, I could then start stopping them and repaving. And I think later, maybe in the interview, we could do a really quick exercise.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  So you could experience what it's like because it can also be something that you do very quickly. I love that. And over time, it changes your brain. So first step is awareness. Second step is breaking the neural pathways. And the third step is repaving over those using specific techniques. But, you know, as I said earlier, and as I've learned, the condition is just the symptom. And that's not just physically, because I've been doing this for a long time now. I find that people who are experiencing these kind of chronic conditions, it's also a crisis of the spirit. And you can't separate that from the brain because the brain is really the conduit of the spirit and the holder of that soul.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  And most people that I talk to, they can point to a very specific time and a very specific situation where their being shifted, their soul shifted, and they became ill. In my journey, it was several things over the course of my lifetime. If I track my health, there were Moments like, for example, my father died when I was young. About six months later, I started developing different ailments. And so I could track the beginnings of it. And then when I finally collapsed, like I said, it was a perfect storm of events. But that was also a crisis of my spirit because I had disconnected from myself. I had disconnected from others and I had disconnected from the higher field. And that is what really leads to a lot of these conditions.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  And that's something that I don't think medicine has caught up with yet. But the good news is, I feel like there's a lot of these younger doctors coming and realizing that there's all these conditions like Lyme disease, chronic fatigue, Epstein Barr, long haul COVID, POTS, chronic anxiety and depression, which aren't most of the time effectively treated with medications. What do we do with this? Why is this happening? And I think these younger doctors are looking for new answers. And the good news is that neuroplasticity has been scientifically studied. So this isn't woo woo. There's this layer of the spirit that is in cahoots with the brain. And the two really can't be separated.

• 15:56Ky Dickens?

  This is fascinating. And I guess going back to your journey, how long did you start to see improvements in your health and being once you yourself started neuroplasticity? And I think it's also important to let people know too, like, it's not like you have to go to a doctor and like be hooked up to a Q E G necessarily, right? You can just tell yourself, right? You just.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  I think that that's the thing that's so incredible about neuroplasticity is it's empowering. You know, I went to doctors who told me I would never get better. I went to doctors who told me I would end up in a wheelchair, that I would never be rid of Lyme disease. And the reality is, is that I am now empowered with my health. I will never be ill again because I understand that your body is designed to heal itself. When you get a cut, it scabs over and it heals. Your body is a self-healing machine. And that's what I think we've been programmed out of understanding at this point. The body wants to return to homeostasis. And if given the right conditions, the body will return to homeostasis. And so usually with our patients, we see.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Results within three months. My personal journey, I saw results within three months. Within six months, I was functioning again, starting to get my life back again. And then within, you know, nine months to a year, I was fully back. But I was fully back in a different way. Because part of the process of neuroplasticity is coming to terms with where you are. And coming to terms with those negative loops and those voices. It's like an onion you peel back and you think you've gotten through a layer. And then there's another layer until you get to the core of what your spiritual crisis is. And it's not an easy journey, but when I got better, I was better in a way that I had never been.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  I could feel joy. I could connect. I could feel love in ways that I hadn't felt since I was a child. So I think that the process isn't, like I said, about just the physical healing. I was feeling better physically, but there was something in me that had shifted back to my natural state.

• 17:57Ky Dickens?

  So if someone was wanting to be like, okay, well, what are like the basic tenants of things I should start telling myself? Or if they feel themselves getting into a loop, what's something that they can do to try to stop that loop? And then how do you repave? What do you even mean by repaving?

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Well, I'll give you an example. Let's just say I have a loop going of, I can't do anything right. You catch that loop. You say, okay, oh, I'm doing this again. This is looping. It's not good for me. And you literally say it out loud and we use hand gestures because hand gestures are also signals to the brain. Pause. That immediately stops that loop. And then you say, release. So you take, you rub your hands together and you just release it. And then you say out loud, or if you're in, I've done this before, you know, sometimes you can't say it out loud. You're in public, you go through this in your brain. Okay, Mo, limbic system, you know, thank you for catching that. It's not where I want to go. We're going to repave over that and I'm good enough and I can do this.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  And then you take your hand and you go, thank you, Mo. And that signals like a victory.

• 18:58Ky Dickens?

  Okay.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  And that signals to your brain of like, you did it. And it's a positive feedback to your limbic system of like, okay, this is the direction we're going. Because what the limbic system would do, it will fight you at the beginning. Because the limbic system will try to take you back on the route of the loops because it thinks it's protecting you. And you you really have to signal to the limbic system, I'm in charge now, I'm safe, and I'm in a place that we can produce the good chemicals like serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, you know, we're okay. And once your brain finally accepts that message, those chemicals start being produced and your system will calm down. Every condition, I believe, has a frequency and that frequency is about coherence in your

• 19:41Speaker 02

  brain and what your brain is telling your body and is your brain in coherence. What I realize is, yes, you can treat the symptoms, but if your frequency is high enough, which you can raise through your brain, the disease cannot exist. You know, they told me Lyme disease will always be in your system. When they test me now, it is not there because it can't exist in a system that is in coherence. It just can't.

• 20:06Ky Dickens?

  Can this help with addiction as well? Like if you're wanting a drink, can you just say, nope, you don't need that drink?

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:13Ky Dickens?

  Pause.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:14Ky Dickens?

  You you love tea, it nourishes you instead. Like what would be?

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. You know, I'd prefer to have tea, something that's gonna nourish my body and feel healthy. I wanna give my body what it needs because I'm deserving of that. And yes, we've treated people with addiction, we've treated people with OCD, and we have veterans that we're helping now who have gotten better from PTSD. One of the funny things is a lot of our female members have reported that their menopause symptoms have gone away. We have a lot of different testimonials of all types of conditions that it's worked for. In fact, the two amazing women Natalie and Cherry, who now run our company or the CEOs of the company, they were members who were very, very ill and they got better through ReOrigin. In fact, all of our staff are members that

• 21:02Speaker 02

  got better. We don't ever have to recruit because people get better and they're like, we want to help other people, we want to share this. So that's how we've grown.

• 21:10Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, okay. So maybe, and I always love when, you know, a company or an organization blooms and blossoms out of someone's own desperate need for a solution, right? So now tell me about the origin of ReOrigin. Where did this idea come from? How do people contact ReOrigin, get involved? What does that look like?

• 21:29Speaker 02

  It's interesting. The universe put you in the right place with the right people on the right path. And I definitely found that through this journey because there were honestly many times through this journey that I wasn't sure I could make it. And through this, I met my two co-founders, Ben and Lindsay. And the funny thing was that we all came to neuroplasticity at the same time separately. And after we all healed from neuroplasticity, we thought, we need to share this with everyone. So we started working with these neuroscientists from UCLA, psychiatrists from Sloan-Kettering, and put together this program that we've now been doing for seven years.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  We've treated thousands of people with a lot of success. And if people do the program and stick to the program, they will heal. It takes time, and it also takes a lot of faith and perseverance, but you can definitely heal. And the thing about it for me with ReOrigin is it feels great to give people hope. Because I think that when you are struggling, even if it's a simple condition like anxiety, it feels like it's never going to get better. And the one thing that I know is when I started to get better, I thought, oh, this is what it feels like to feel normal again. This is what it feels like to feel good and want to be engaged. And Lindsay and Ben and I all felt that way, and we felt like we had to share this with the world.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  And the thing that's interesting, everybody's experience is different. But I also think we all separately had shifts in our spirits and shifts in the way that we engaged in the world. And I can tell you that for me, I think a lot about what John Paul said, which is, "Make your life about love." I think that that is such a simple but powerful statement. Because when I came out of it, that is what I wanted, was how can I help people? How can I make my life about love? Because I also think the heart is so powerful in chronic disease. A lot of times, people's hearts have shut down because of trauma, because of experiences. And so I think that contributes to it.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  And I remember, I'll tell you a story. The second time I relapsed, I started on the path of neuroplasticity. And it was hard, and I was a single mom, and I was trying to get better and run a business and do all of these things. And I remember laying there one night, and I said to myself, I don't know if I can do this.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  At this point, I'd been dealing with this health thing for so long, I couldn't believe I was back. And even though I had found neuroplasticity, I was like, oh, God, can I do this? And I remember very clearly, I heard, "You are connected to everyone and everything." And it was almost like somebody was standing next to my bed.

• 24:28Ky Dickens?

  You just heard that?

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Heard it. And I literally sat up in bed, because I literally thought someone was in my room. And that was when everything shifted for me. I think it was, I felt so alone. And that voice told me, "You are never alone, never, because you are connected to everything around you." And that was when my healing started. And over time, I had different experiences like that. And I continue to, because I feel like something opened in me, and I was able to receive. Because I think, once you put your brain into coherence, you are open to receive. And a lot of people who I talked to have been through this journey, it might not manifest as that. It might just manifest as, oh, wow, everything has fallen

• 25:11Speaker 02

  into place for me. I think about this, and it shows up. Synchronicities happen. I can't guarantee that, but I can tell you that most of the people I talked to, that is what they experience, is not only a shift in their health and physicality, but also a shift in how they relate to the world. Something opens in the brain that allows it to be a conduit to a higher field.

• 25:35Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. And it sounds, because I think people who truly are happy, kind of live within this flow state, where they're not trying to manage and control their life, and they find that when they pause and let life take its way, you have fun with them. It's a journey. And it's exactly what you should be doing, and when you should be doing it. And it's so hard, I think, for people to let go.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Well, I think that that's one thing about having a chronic condition. I mean, I've had people say to me, "If you could go back and make it so that this never happened, would you?" And I said, "All the suffering was worth it." It was all worth it and it was what was supposed to be. And I think that you learn really quickly that you have no control. I think it truly was the universe's way of saying surrender. And when I did that, and when I became connected to not only myself, but other people in community and all of, you know, all of that, I started really healing in a way that was true healing. It wasn't masking, it wasn't like treating the symptoms, it was a true healing from within in concert with my brain.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  And the other thing that's interesting that we found, and this is part of what we encourage with Reorgen, is two things. One is community. So we do have a community online that's very robust and people come into community. We have these kind of group coaching sessions where you go and get motivated and hear from other people. That accelerates healing immensely because I also think a lot of times when people are in chronic illness, there's a shame to it. Especially these kind of silent conditions that people don't understand. It's very isolating. So when they come back and they start reconnecting, this healing accelerates. The other thing that we do that's really cool is called mirroring, and this is something that's been studied.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  Actually, if you want a really great book, and this is one of the books I read at the beginning of neuroplasticity, Norman Deutsch, who is sort of the godfather of neuroplasticity, and he has many books. And it talks all about how the brain can help heal a body through specific techniques. For example, if I were doing that technique that you just watched me do, you actually have the physical and chemical experience that I'm having. So you can, so a lot of times we encourage our members to partner up or watch somebody else do the techniques. And it will produce the same effect as if they were doing it themselves.

• 27:58Ky Dickens?

  That's fascinating.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  So, and it's been studied and it really does work and it accelerates the healing a lot. And I know when I was going through my journey, my other co-founder, Lindsay, she and I did a lot of mirroring. If there was a day I just like, I can't, I can't do this today, I'd watch her and she would do the technique and I would have the same, I would walk away with the same experience. So it's amazing how in connection and community, healing can occur.

• 28:25Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. You know, that story about hearing that voice, it's interesting because this substrate of love that seems to be the basis of everything and I think interwoven with the substrate of consciousness. Everyone kind of knows how to tap into it and whatever it's saying, it's always saying the same thing. And it feels like that's exactly what was there for you that day in a way.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Yes. I mean, definitely that was what was there and I felt it in a very profound and unconditional way. I think that having love for yourself is the hardest love to have because you'll say things to yourself that you would never say to somebody you love. And that's part of the looping is stopping that barrage of things that you say to yourself or you tell yourself. But I also think that, I know part of my healing journey has just been the act of producing love for others. So I got into this habit of every night before I go to bed, I think about five people and I send them love.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  And that has also had just a profound effect on my being and my health.

• 29:29Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Because I don't carry anger or resentment and I, I can operate from a place of love, which is what we want to give ourselves. It's what the universe wants to give us. And I think when you're living in that energy and that frequency, you do find acceptance of what is. You know, I think part of letting go of control for me has been understanding that we are just here to experience.

• 29:58Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  That's it. And give what we can give and do what we can for others. Other than that, there's nothing else. And so that experience, when it's about love, that's when you're operating in a place of true health and health that is unshakable. And so illness can't exist in that realm. And so that has been something that neuroplasticity has helped me come to, that illness has helped me come to of just this surrender to the experience. And when you're living in the experience, when you're living in the now-ness, the consciousness of now-ness, that is your natural state. I mean, you think about it when you're a kid, right?

• 30:38Speaker 02

  You're just living in it. You're experiencing, you're not thinking about your agenda, you're not thinking about expectations, appearances. All you're doing is living and experiencing in that now. And I think that is an important place to get to. It took me time after I healed to get there. I mean, I still feel like I'm on that journey, right? I, people are always like, oh, you went through that journey. No, I'm on it. I decided to stay on the ship because I was like, I want to see where this goes. So part of what we've learned at Re-Origin is that about a year in, people are like, okay, now I'm healed. Now what? Now I'm a different person.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  I mean, that's the other thing that I've seen happen in healing is the person that you were coming in is a different person than when you are coming out. And so the world kind of shifts around that. And things that aren't supposed to be there fall away and things that are keep coming to you.

• 31:40Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, that's exactly right. Wow, this has been so amazing. So if people want to get in touch with Re-Origin and really try this, you know, what, how would they find Re-Origin or what other, you know, advice or resources would you offer?

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Well, first of all, we have a website. It's re-origin.com. It's a three-week online program that they can do. And then we have online community and we also have question and answer sessions that they can sign up for for free. And then we have our group coaching, so that allows you to be in Zoom community with others. You know, the good news is, is since I started in this arena and to now, so many more things are available. It's starting to come into the popular culture now, I think, just because I think people are realizing the connection. And I also think with this shift of consciousness that's coming, people are realizing that there is this ability to self heal.

• 32:39Ky Dickens?

  Wow. Okay.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Ky Dickens?

  Fantastic. I mean, what a gift.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:43Ky Dickens?

  And it truly does feel like all of these little things are gonna just help shift humanity forward. And I'd be remiss if I don't ask you this. You know, when people change their structure, the structure of their brain and become more whole and how they should be, have you ever heard of quote unquote, the spiritual gifts that we talk about in our show, turning on more?

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yes, many, many times. I've heard it a lot. And you know, I really do believe if you heal the brain, you heal the soul. And the more people that heal, the more we will move into higher consciousness. It does open something in your brain and it looks different for everybody, but something does shift when you move into that place.

• 33:22Ky Dickens?

  Like precognition, telepathy, like?

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, precognition, telepathy, a lot of messaging in dreams, a lot of being able to be in a room with somebody and connect with them and know what they're thinking and understand what's happening. I've heard all sorts of things and I know for myself, I have experienced that in a powerful way. And it started during the neuroplasticity. So I know that it has some correlation to me going down that path.

• 33:50Ky Dickens?

  That's so cool.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:52Ky Dickens?

  Cause we get this question a lot. How do I open these, these gifts up for myself? Or how do I connect more deeply with my non-speaking child? Or you know, that type of thing. And you know, it's always like meditation. I've heard about gratitude, I mean, just thinking gratitude, gratitude, that really raises your vibration. There's all sorts of things you can do, but this is another like concrete way you can become more yourself.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Well, the cool thing about neuroplasticity is there are specific techniques you can do and it really does work. And I think it puts your brain into a higher state. And you know, we're actually just getting ready to study a bunch of this, to see what kind of state it actually puts your brain into, but it does put your brain into a different state, like I said, that's open to receive. And when you're open to receive, then things just come.

• 34:40Ky Dickens?

  Is there anything I haven't touched on that you would like to share that I didn't ask you?

• 34:46Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I just, I guess the biggest thing I want to say to people who are dealing with chronic conditions is there is hope. And part of healing, the first step in healing is believing and having the belief that you can get better.

• 34:59Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  There is a path and there's a path not only to healing, but to something even bigger. You know, medicine hasn't caught up with what that bigger thing is yet, but I think it's coming. And I think it's, I think we will know soon what that is.

• 35:13Ky Dickens?

  I think that's great. And I'm just so glad you ended with the hope because, you know, I even think about some of my friends who've really battled breast cancer and, you know, it's like five years. Okay, maybe it's over 10 years. And then there's always once in a while that like case where it's like you thought you were clear and you weren't. And so there's that fear.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:28Ky Dickens?

  I think always lingering. And I feel like that fear can become the story that makes itself a reality.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen it over and over. And I think that story you tell yourself is your reality. What you tell your brain, your brain then tells your body and then your body tells your spirit. And it's just this, you know, circular thing. I never even think about getting sick anymore. It is so in my background. I don't ever worry about being sick again. The first time that I got better, I didn't have that because I was so reliant on outside forces to try to heal me. So I thought, oh my God, what if I relapse again, then I have to do this and I have to do that and da, da, da, da, da. Once I took it back to myself, once I, I knew I could heal myself, that fear went away because I thought if something ever comes up,

• 36:17Speaker 02

  I know what to do. My body can heal itself. My body can put itself back into homeostasis. I mean, it's been over a decade now since I was ill and I don't think I'll ever be ill again. So there is hope for that. And I do think when somebody is in this condition and it keeps happening over and over, there can be a loss of faith, a loss of belief. And that is important to understand.

• 36:43Ky Dickens?

  Absolutely. Well, this has been amazing, Mo.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thanks for having me, Kai, and thank you for everything you're doing because it is so, so important.

• 36:53Ky Dickens?

  Amazing. Thank you for saying that. That's it for this episode of The Talk Tracks, but new episodes will be released every Wednesday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones, that knit together our reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Producers Katherine Ellis and Selena Kennedy, technical directing, audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole, opening and closing music by Elizabeth P. W., and original logo and cover art by Ben Condor Design. I'm Kai Dickens, your executive producer, writer, and host.