Terror in the Cockpit: The Flydubai Hijacking Attempt | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the attempted hijacking of Flydubai Flight 1073, the warning signs investigators may have missed, and whether the attack was connected to Iran or a lone-wolf extremist. We also discuss suspected IRGC-linked plots in the UK, the U. S. withdrawal from Iraq, what that means for the Kurds and Iranian influence, and whether the latest troop and carrier movements signal a new round of escalation in the Middle East. VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Jack's news outlet:⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Whitefish security summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations 00:00 – Start 00:02 – Flydubai Flight 1073 Hijacking Attempt 01:29 – How Close the Flight Came to Disaster 04:40 – The Intelligence Failures Before the Attack 06:17 – Aviation’s Worst-Case Insider Threat 07:51 – How Flydubai Missed the Warning Signs 09:46 – Was Iran Behind the Attack? 13:18 – Israel Says It Wasn’t Iran 14:26 – The Lone-Wolf Terrorism Problem 17:37 – Suspected Iran-Linked Plot in Manchester 20:29 – Is the IRGC Getting Sloppier? 22:12 – What Would Iran-Backed Attacks Mean for Britain? 24:43 – Iran’s History of Covert Attacks in the UK 26:57 – How Iran Uses Proxies and Simple Attacks 28:54 – Why Is the UK Such a Major Target? 31:15 – The U. S. Finally Pulls Out of Iraq 33:58 – Was Iraq Worth It? 35:09 – What the Withdrawal Gives Iran 37:41 – Are the Kurds the Biggest Losers? 38:59 – Why Not Leave a Small U. S. Force Behind? 41:26 – Did America Throw Away Its Position in Iraq? 44:19 – Decades of U. S. Blunders in Iraq 47:18 – What U. S. Forces Still Remain in Iraq? 49:16 – Did America Learn Anything From the Iraq War? 50:21 – Do Troops Need to Understand the Bigger Mission? 52:08 – Explaining the War to the People Fighting It 55:49 – Gold Star Families & the Cost of Endless War 57:26 – 9,000 More U. S. Troops Head to CENTCOM 58:16 – Is the U. S. Preparing to Escalate Against Iran? 58:56 – Could There Be U. S. Ground Operations? 1:00:34 – Three Carriers in the Middle East & the China Problem 1:01:24 – What the Camp David Meeting Could Mean 1:02:36 – Will the U. S. Strike the Houthis for Saudi Arabia? 1:04:05 – Closing Thoughts VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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  This episode is presented by VAER Watches. Go to vaerwatches.com/the team house. Hey, everybody. We're back for another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm here with Andy Milburn, Jonathan Hackett, and Mark Polymoropoulos. A lot happening, as usual. The big story on September 30th, Flight Dubai Flight, I was trying to practice that too, because I knew I would trip it up. 1073 flying from Dubai to Tel Aviv was essentially hijacked. The copilot attacked the captain inside the cockpit with an emergency crash axe and tried to seize control of the aircraft. During the struggle, the 737 plunged roughly 17,000 feet before

• 1:27Speaker 03

  the captain managed to open the cockpit door. Passengers and cabin crew basically came in and were able to, you know, get the essentially copilot who attacked the captain under control. There were a couple like deadhead slash like other fly Dubai pilots in the plane that were able to land it safely in Saudi Arabia. There was a lot of go like back and forth, a ton of like conspiracy theories going on about this. It looks like the UAE is actually saying that this was a terrorist attack, and they're trying to figure out if this guy acted alone, or if he was had some ties to other extremist groups. And so that's happening,

• 2:09Speaker 03

  and rumors and conspiracy theories are swirling everywhere. Mark, you go first, and what do you what are you thinking?

• 2:19Speaker 04

  You know, the people who are doing their rumors and conspiracy theories are out of their frickin' gourd. But it's social media. I mean, that's where you see it. So what are you going to do about that? I mean, you know, ultimately, what happened here is we averted a major mass casualty event. It's it's it is based on the heroism of the pilot who whose copilot literally attacked them, you know, the pilot. And a lot of this has come out now in the in the debriefs. But the copilot said he wanted to pray. And so the pilot said, sure, not all that unusual. And then all of a sudden, the guy gets attacked by an axe. And, you know, it's an axe, this this that actually exists in the cockpit. I think

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Jonathan was talking this before in the in the green room. This is not something that was smuggled on. It actually exists. And, and, you know, in this incredible struggle that ensues, the pilot then managed to open the door. Passengers rush in, drag them both out, and then some pilots who are, I guess, reserve pilots in the back ended up landing the plane. But, you know, it's only by the grace of God that this was not a massive awful terrorist incident. The copilot under interrogation now, or I guess the I think he's been transferred actually to the UAE from Saudi, and the Israelis are going to be allowed to participate, which I think is important, has said that his target was

• 3:40Speaker 04

  Israel. And if you could just imagine the terror inside that airplane, you know, plunges several thousand meters. And that exceeded the max limit of the 737. There's pictures on social media. It's kind of the the tail, the fin, the tail of the plane. It's amazing it didn't break up in flight. And so just really an extraordinary incident. I think that there's a couple of keys on this. One is that we talk a lot on show on the show about terrorism, you know, terrorism is not a problem until it is. This was almost a mass casualty event. It looks like it was a lone wolf, but we still don't know. Clearly, his background, everyone's kind of going through his background. It turns out he's no money, and he was barred from flying there. Incredible. He got a job in the Emirates,

• 4:23Speaker 04

  and then he passed this Israeli checks. And in Israel, the Ministry of Transportation is supposed to check out all pilots who end up landing in Israel. They obviously failed in this miserably. And so there was a pretty significant security and intelligence failure on everyone's part, the Emirates, but also in the Israelis. And the final piece is that this now turns into a political issue in Israel. Elections October 27. Netanyahu is trying to embrace this notion of security, but it turns out that his government has failed pretty spectacularly. Again, and the notion of background and checks and investigations. But as as everything, there's no really foreign policy in Israel. It's only domestic politics. So this has actually taken a turn in terms of the domestic political scene there. But and last thing, there's there was five Americans, four or five Americans on board as well.

• 5:07Speaker 04

  So just could have been just an awful incident. There's no tie yet to Iran, even though there's some hints of this. But it does look like it's a lone wolf. But I think they'll figure this out in the kind of in the debriefs, the interrogation, and they're kind of digging through, which everyone in social media is doing. And I mean, it's incredible. You can find all of his extremist leanings on social media. It's incredible that nobody kind of picked this up.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  And also, this is a good example of bilateral intelligence relationships between states that aren't necessarily, you know, openly declared friends. Israel was able to interrogate the individual before he was sent back to the Emirates, presumably either in Saudi Arabia or the Emirates or Israel. So the kind of an interesting, you know, series of decisions that had to be made between the leaders of those countries and with those liaison relationships that those countries have to have for security reasons. And it looks like the after the fact, it's working well. The challenge is, like you said, Mark, before the fact, where where was the knowledge of these indicators? Because there were indicators. If you see on his LinkedIn, he had two posts on his LinkedIn, period, both of which were extremist in nature that were available to the public to see. One of them was him complaining about

• 6:15Speaker 05

  how his mom has to find a woman for him to live with that's willing to wear a kneecob and stop working after he gets married, and how the West has ruined women, and et cetera, et cetera. This was a publicly available video. Of course, it was taken down after the attack, but it was there. He also made a post right around the same time the attack was happening. That was that was scheduled to be published after the attack. So, you know, if you're looking for intent, this is an indicator of that. And it was another, you know, obviously extremist post. And it's interesting, because look, from a legal perspective, the Emirates, the reason he's in the Emirates now is because Emirati law allows the Emirati legal system to follow you if you're in an aircraft. So he committed this crime in an aircraft, and so the Emirates continue to maintain custody or jurisdiction over his

• 6:58Speaker 05

  actions, even though it was in another country's airspace or soil. And that's why he's back in the Emirates now, which I thought was kind of interesting.

• 7:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's kind of, I mean, this is, this is aviation's worst insider threat, right? I mean, I know there have been other cases. There was the 2015 German Wings pilot who that was a mental health issue. He crashed the plane. It was a plane from Barcelona to Germany. But but this is kind of the ideological version of that, right? I mean, the whole system is built to keep threats out of the cockpit with reinforced doors, screening, you know, air marshals. And of course, you know, had this been an L L flight, there would

• 7:47Speaker 06

  have been, you know, four or five guys on that flight, armed guys on that flight. But none of that matters if you've got the threats in the cockpit itself, and the door is secure. And they all, you know, much is being made, quite rightly, of the heroism of the passengers, blah, blah, blah. But the real, in my mind, the real hero was the pilot. That plane would have crashed. You know, he had already leveled the plane, and he had fought off his attacker, even though he was badly wounded. And if he hadn't opened that door, that plane would have gone down. The plumber, the plumber wouldn't have been in a position to pull back on their yoke and meet Netanyahu.

• 8:27Speaker 04

  By the way, the plumber who then was, is that the guy who was watching Canadian videos on how to fly a plane?

• 8:33Speaker 06

  Apparently, yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 04

  It's unbelievable.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Dee, all of your, all of your time on Flight Simulator, all of your time gaming, Dee, will come into fruition one day.

• 8:43Speaker 06

  None of it, yeah.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  I'm getting ready for it.

• 8:45Speaker 06

  So, you know, I mean, hopefully Airlines, um, you know, obviously flew, Fly Dubai hired him without checking with the Omani authorities. Uh, that's a worry, right? Uh, you know, as you guys mentioned, Oman Air had already moved him off flying duties because of his web activity. Um, but Fly Dubai, um, who I've flown on, maybe not again, um, didn't do a good job of checking him out. So, you know, hopefully airlines across the region are going to be now sharing pilot vetting information across borders. Um, I, I don't know if this is true, but the, you know, the target was one of the normalization flights,

• 9:27Speaker 06

  right? I mean, that's significant. The direct Gulf Israel routes are one of the most visible results of the Abraham Accords. Um, the L L has, has stopped flying that route because of security concerns. And, um, I believe Emirates has, has done so now too. So, I mean, even a failed attack has achieved part of what, what it was after, which is raising the cost and the fear around normal, normal travel between Israel and Dubai. And by the way, the, the prices of those flights were pretty crazy anyway. Um, so, you know, there's clearly going to be more pressure on Gulf carriers to cut back on those routes even

• 10:09Speaker 06

  more. Uh, I think it's, you know, I think it's important, not just because, you know, I'm saying it, but, you know, I may want to fly that route, but resisting that pressure is important if, if, you know, the normalization project is, is to continue. Um, and, and lastly, um, you know, it's not helpful to attribute this to Iran. I mean, I, I, it, it's, it seems likely that what the Israelis are saying, this was a lone wolf attack and it was Islamist radicalization. Um, you know, all the online material that he was dabbling in report points

• 10:49Speaker 06

  towards an Al Qaeda style jihadism, not the IRGC. Um, and, uh, and, you know, I, I think that's, I, I don't think this is going to be used as justification before strikes, but we've got to be obviously careful, especially as leaders of country, you know, leader of a country coming out and saying, based on what I'm hearing, uh, it was an Iranian plot. Um, but, but anyway, I think that, you know, cooler heads will prevail there.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  You know, it's interesting.

• 11:20Speaker 06

  What's interesting, Andy?

• 11:20Speaker 04

  Of attribution. I mean, so that's maybe that's a good way to kind of, um, shift because, okay, this happens. Um, everyone, there's, you know, everyone wants to then take action. But in the case of, if it's Islam extremism and Al Qaeda, there's nothing, there's no target to hit. And so, uh, uh, you know, and, and that's where I think the, uh, and, and what you, what you just noted, you know, the leak on the attribution right now comes from the Israeli side. And I think that's important actually, because, you know, this is Israeli security services telling someone in the press, in the, in the Middle Eastern press, yeah, we, we think it's a lone wolf and it's not Iran. Um, uh, that, that's different than a political statement from one of the political leaders. So, so I, I agree with you. I hope cooler heads will prevail on this. Now, of course, if

• 12:05Speaker 04

  it was Iran, then you do have to take action. I mean, so, but that's why the, the intelligence, uh, side of it is, is incredibly important. Um, one note is that I think Fly Dubai has just, has suspended their flights to Israel now until they get this in order. And they kind of like, going back to the Israeli politics part of it though, the Ministry of, it was interesting in Israel, as I'm kind of geek out on Israeli national security press, the Ministry of Transportation is actually somehow taken responsibility several years ago for this vetting from Shin Bet and Mossad. And the individual who was responsible for this completely failed, obviously. And so, you know, there's going to be a very, there's already the blame game going on. Um, but there's, there's a, you know, uh, there's a, there's a huge, uh, you know, after action that I think will be done here other than,

• 12:50Speaker 04

  rather than October 7th, which that after action is never going to be done under this current Israeli government. But here, I think there's, there's a lot already that's come out that just shows kind of where the, the system totally broke down.

• 13:02Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, I, and, and just by pure luck and then the courage of the few things went well. Um, you know, we talked about off-duty pilots being on board, taking over, the guy having, you know, being a gamer, whatever, and being on a flight simulator. Um, although I, I, I think that's probably a better story than it sounds.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:25Speaker 06

  And, uh, um, but, you know, Saudi air traffic control picking up, diverting to Debruk where the passengers, there's some, there, there's some, uh, great video in the local media here of, of nurses, Saudi nurses, you know, all covered up treating Israeli passengers, um, which, you know, I mean, as you just can't imagine, can you? Um, and, and the regional cooperation, uh, between Israeli Emirati and Saudi investigators now working together. So, you know, all that deserves to be said. It's positive things. We're accused of not having positive things on their show. So I thought I'd throw that in.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  Nicely done, Andy. Thank you.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, actually Netanyahu came out and said that he doesn't believe it to be Iran-linked, which to your point, Mark, I think that's very important coming from Israel because they have every reason, there's every incentive for them to try to find a link to Iran. And the fact that they have come out publicly in multiple outlets with multiple people saying that, that's a big deal. I saw Trump said that there might be a link to Iran. So that's kind of interesting, the disparity between the US perspective versus the closer to their home perspective of Israel, saying that it's not Iran. Um, when at the same time, we have other things in other parts of the world, like in the UK where there are some perhaps links to Iran. So that definitely is an interesting difference, I think, to previous ways to describe attacks before we have an after action.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  There was, there's some great memes. How do you say it? Memes, memes? I don't know. I'm too old for this. Memes.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Memes, excellent.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Memes. Uh, it's really, I mean, there's, you know, there's, there's one which is people getting on board and as opposed to what obviously happens, there's a lot of anti-Semitism in the world. In this case, there's a flight attendant asking, who's an Israeli here? And, and everyone is a little worried and they're like, well, you sit in the front row. Can you sit in business class? And they're like, but I have an economy class ticket. You've been upgraded. We want, we want you up front. Um, and it just, you know, it, there is, there is a notion of a, of a country in which, you know, everyone serves in the military and there's, there's such a kind of, um, uh, focus on, on, you know, citizen soldiers there that there might be more of a proclivity for someone to have the capabilities to act. Um, if you're used to living in that kind of, of world, unfortunately,

• 15:39Speaker 04

  that's, that's, you know, one would hope that that kind of thing is not necessary. But, you know, we, we talk about terrorism so much here. I mean, you know, I, this, it's a, it's a whole separate subject, not for today, but it is a question of, you know, do, you know, we get complacent on the Islamic terrorism threat. If this is a Islamic extremism, if it's Al Qaeda, well, wait a second. You know, I thought Al Qaeda was defeated. Um, and if they just took down an airline with 200, if they were about to take down an airline of 200 people, there's a different conversation to be had after that. Uh, even if it's a lone wolf with, which everyone here knows is the hardest type of terrorist, um, activity for an intelligence service to combat because there's no cells to penetrate, to recruit, you know, intercept, uh, communications intercept, there's no terrorist training camp. If you

• 16:23Speaker 04

  get self-radicalized, you're, you know, that's, it's very hard to, uh, to combat that. So, but, but Jonathan, Jonathan, you brought up Iran and terrorism. Maybe we switch there because there's some events in the UK that are going on. Dee, I'm taking all your.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  No, no, I have one thing to ask about the Fly Dubai incident. Like they, they, uh, he, he went to school in, uh, Melbourne, Australia.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  And like, did any Australian authorities kind of ping him in terms of, I don't know what, you know, they had him in terms, some reports are saying that they pinged him essentially before he went out and I guess became a full-fledged pilot. Is there anything to that in terms of, did they know something or?

• 17:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe. You know?

• 17:04Speaker 05

  Well, he also didn't pass Royal Air Morocco, the Moroccan airline flight school. He was not selected out of that flight school either. So he's been attempting to become a pilot, which if you remember before nine 11, that was another thing is like they were shopping around, trying to find places to get flight training. So, you know, obviously speculating, but that would be an interesting thing to investigate about how far back was his intent.

• 17:25Speaker 06

  Yeah. He showed no interest in landing the plane and flight school. Okay. So that was, but that, that was actually, and that was true of the nine 11 plotters.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:38Speaker 06

  Went, went back and talked to the, um, I don't know that's true of this guy, but what is true and, and Mark's absolutely right, you know, lone wolf attacks are the most difficult to preempt. However, this one left, left indicators and clues splashed all over the internet and it shouldn't have been hard to preempt. It should have been preempted simply by him not being hired by Fly Dubai.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  Um, Mark, sorry, I ruined your segment. It was an incredible.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  It was a good segue to Jonathan to talk about.

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  We're going back to now, yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 04

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• 22:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, John, give us the rundown of what went down in Manchester.

• 23:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, so this is another potentially Iran-linked activity in the UK after the other one that was just a stop that we talked about last week. So there's two guys. There, the big picture, there's an issue with people coming over on boats into the UK. Some of them, many of them, were managed by a Kurdish smuggler who's now been outed in the media. A lot of them coming from Iran, from Iraq, and other areas in the Middle East, coming into the UK and asking for asylum over the last few years. Two of those people, Salam and Rahman, claimed asylum in the UK. There's some stuff in between this time that's not relevant to this, but these guys have been in the UK for a while, and they're from Iran. And one of them had asylum, and one of them was waiting for his asylum application.

• 23:44Speaker 05

  They were doing surveillance in an area that had already been attacked last year. There's a place called Heaton Park Synagogue that was attacked. Some, some people died. The attacker was killed. Same, same location, the exact same target. And another place, a Jewish museum in Manchester, also under surveillance. The government's calling it hostile surveillance. That, that sounds kind of, I don't know, I wouldn't call it, I don't call something hostile surveillance. I would just call it surveillance until we know what it's for. Because pre-attack surveillance looks a lot like just regular static surveillance, depending on what the intent is. So they were doing this. They also had collected data on how to build a chlorine bomb that they were gonna hopefully use to conduct this attack. There's indications from the government in the UK that these guys were under the control of a third party in a third country, and they think it's Iran.

• 24:30Speaker 05

  We haven't seen that yet. And if you look at the difference between US charging documents and UK charging documents, the US ones have so much information, you can really figure out kind of what's going on before, you know, the grand jury makes a decision on the indictment. Whereas the UK side, you usually get like a single page or very short information. It's very hard to even know what's going on here from a public perspective. So the things that the government's willing to say publicly are really important here, because we don't get to see the indictments like we do in the United States. So the fact that the government is saying this is very helpful to understand, because if you remember with last week's attack, they were very hesitant to say that there was any foreign control or that it was even an attack in the first place. There were rumors that these guys were siphoning diesel and all this speculation. Whereas right now, they're right away saying there's possibly a link to Iran.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  So that's very important, I think, when, when looking at this and thinking about this, also the timing of it. This was right before the, you know, Jewish holy days. And they had been captured last month, September 20th. So before the Fairford surveillance activity. That's kind of interesting to think about. And remember, the Fairford guys were released back into the wild under heavy surveillance. So just kind of interesting. The government said there's no connection between the two that they know of. But I think it's just kind of interesting to see these things kind of all happening around the same time.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  But the government, the prime minister said that the Fairford event was likely Iran now. So they've.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  Correct. Just not controlled by the same.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Possibly not by the same entity. And, you know, my, my thought on this is, well, the past year, the IRGC officers who would normally be doing this kind of activity remotely from Iran, the experienced ones are mostly dead. That means you're either left with the middle-level guys, or even guys who had never done ops before, but now they have to do ops, and they're not really probably vetting their people the way they normally would. They don't have time to spot, assess, develop, and recruit assets in a third country to go do stuff in a way that they can trust will happen the way it's supposed to happen. Probably the, the logistics are a little bit weak right now. The control is a little bit weak. So we may be actually seeing results of that. The reason these are probably being thwarted, or at least in part, is because of poor handling on the Iran side.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  Because their more seasoned guys aren't there to kind of extend this out, be more careful, take some more diligence, test their assets a little bit more. Because if you remember for the Fairford incident, one of the guys actually called 999, which is 911, on himself while doing the op, which indicates cold feet. Which, from a handling perspective, means that perhaps these guys hadn't been recruited fully or sufficiently to actually carry out this type of operation, or hadn't been selected well enough to actually be on this team. So those are kind of indicators to me that perhaps the IRGC side is not operating. And they weren't great to begin with. But now they're worse, because the more seasoned guys are out of the picture.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  They still just gotta get lucky once. I mean, think about it like a soccer goalie. You know, you're, you can, you know, but we, that, you know, in the CT world, you can't let anything in. There's no such thing as a 3-1 win.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  Even an attempt, like the, the Fairford incident, if they had breached the fence and even just got on the base, to them, that would have been a victory.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  Andy, as the resident individual here with the British accent, what does the, you know, so as you get closer to attribution on the UK side, what does that mean in terms of UK action? And will the public, I know we talked about this before, but I mean, I think over the last several days, we are getting closer to, okay, the Iranians have been undertaking terrorist incidents on UK soil. What does that mean for the British?

• 27:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, that's, that's a great question. I mean, the, I'll tell you, the British public right now is going to be more, and I don't mean to generalize the British public. There is a segment of the British public that is going to latch on to the fact that these are asylum seekers. That if you've been following the news in the UK, the rise of Tommy Robinson, you know, the popularity of the Reform Party, the recent demonstration, a hundred thousand people in London supporting Tommy Robinson, who's a far-right figure. These are, these are really unusual indicators to see in the United Kingdom.

• 28:39Speaker 06

  And so now, whenever there is a crime linked to asylum seekers, you know, criminal or otherwise, it becomes a core celebre. That, I think, is going to garner more attention than this, than who's behind this. And I say that because Iranian-backed attacks in, in the UK are not, are not new. I mean, even before the war started, the, back in, I think it was 2022, MI5, the head of MI5 came out and said that Iran was, had been behind 20 lethal, potentially lethal plots against people in the UK, just in that year, right? This is the end of 2022.

• 29:25Speaker 06

  And then, since the war started, right, there was, there was an arson attack soon after the war started. Four Jewish volunteer ambulances were burned outside of Golders Green synagogue and a group called HAI. Don't ask me, maybe John remembers what that stands for. It's a front group for Iran, right? And they've staged attacks all over Europe. But anyway, HAI, HAI, HAI, claim responsibility for that. Then in April, there was an attack at,

• 30:06Speaker 06

  there was another attack on Iran International, which is a dissidence group. Then later in April, there's a wave of firebombing, mings and arson attacks against synagogues, Jewish sites, which this, which this attack also was aimed against. There was an attack on the Israeli embassy,

• 30:27Speaker 06

  or a foiled attack, chemical attack, similar to this one, might have been a hoax.

• 30:33Speaker 06

  And, and then, and then there was a, two Jewish men were stabbed in Golders Green, around the same end of April, right? And, and the IRGC actually can't claim responsibility for that.

• 30:51Speaker 06

  And so, you know, this, this is, and, and none of those really elicited a massive response, right? From no, there's no demands to go to war with Iran. So I don't think there's going to be in this case, this particular case.

• 31:06Speaker 06

  And so, you know, on, on, in this particular case, I think, I was reading that they did find substances, probably, you know, I'm guessing chlorine, since they're saying it was a chlorine attack,

• 31:23Speaker 06

  which is, you know, it's, it's an convenient chemical to use, right? It's, it's commercially available, it's easy to put into, into some kind, it's easy to weaponize, relatively easy to weaponize. And the Islamic State, of course, made extensive use of chlorine.

• 31:43Speaker 06

  When people talk about the Islamic State having, using chemical weapons, it was chlorine that they were using in both against the Kurds and, and US forces.

• 31:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, actually, we blew up a building when we were doing the 2016 counter ISIS outside Mosul. And one of the buildings, we didn't realize it had a bunch of chlorine, like, ready for, for weaponized use underground. And we blew it up and there was a huge chlorine cloud that then spread over the other buildings that ISIS was in. So we had some extra casualties from that strike, from their own design.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, so, I mean, in, in this case, I mean, what it does, it affirms, it tells us more about Iran's methods, right? You know, as John and Mark both said, that they aren't sending trained operatives or military-grade material. They're using handlers, obviously, I would guess, to pass instructions, probably, you know, I mean, over the internet, maybe, to recruits on the ground who, who obtain what they need locally.

• 32:45Speaker 06

  You know, as I've said, these attacks have all been pretty simple, arson, stabbings, and then now, you know, the use of chlorine. And so that, I mean, that keeps the cost, it's plausible deniability. And it keeps the cost to Tehran close to zero. And it, and it means Tehran can run in many cells at once and, and create fear and confusion.

• 33:08Speaker 04

  I think we have to have some humility, though, just, you know, we've got to be careful not to have hubris. I know that this is not maybe the A-team, but, you know, they get lucky once.

• 33:17Speaker 05

  HAI that you mentioned, Andy, was actually run by a Qatari Hezbollah operative out of Iraq. And this became known through a US indictment after we arrested him in Turkey with the cooperation of MIT, which is Turkey's intelligence entity, who handed him over to us. All those, many of those operations, not all, many of those operations were led by a Qatari Hezbollah handler on orders from the IRGC to do those things in the UK. And it was, it was pretty elaborate, actually, a very interesting case study on, on a third, third-party handler doing this for the IRGC to create even more depth for deniability, but still being controlled and, and ordered by the IRGC. Now that that individual's gone, which I believe was around May timeframe,

• 34:00Speaker 05

  they've probably had to find new individuals to replace that guy, because that guy was doing a pretty good job of coordinating from, from Iraq, from a distance. And now they need to replace that handling with somebody else. And I think that's the result of what we're probably seeing now.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  Why are we seeing the concentration of the stuff in the UK? I'm sure it's, it's like you mentioned, Andy, it's happening across Europe, but it needs to be concentrated.

• 34:23Speaker 06

  I mean, I think, and probably a number of reasons. One is, one, one might be access. You know, there's a large Iranian diaspora in the United Kingdom. I couldn't compare it offhand to the rest of Europe, but it's huge in the UK, always has been large. Number two, the UK is, I don't think, I'm not, I want to say it's alone in allowing bombers to take off from its bases. I'm trying to remember whether, I know Germany has allowed missiles.

• 34:59Speaker 06

  But I, but the UK is either the only country, one of two countries that has allowed bombers to take off from its bases to, to bomb Iran. You know, Spain has said no, Italy's said no. A number of countries have denied the United States overflight, but the UK has continuously said yes. So those are two good reasons, I think. A third might be availability of targets. You know, there is a large Jewish population in, in the United Kingdom, especially in cities like London and Manchester. They, they tend to live in, you know, the same sort of areas like Golders Green. So arguably are, are an easier target.

• 35:44Speaker 06

  Oh, oh, last thing is, you know, I mentioned large diaspora, but, but the UK's also home to, to Iranian, has been, you know, for, ironically, all the way back to times of the Shah, the UK has been at home to Iranian dissidents opposing whatever regime exists in Iran.

• 36:09Speaker 06

  I mean, remember the Princess Gate hostage-taking back in 1980? You know, that was, they, they were, their course was against the, with the government of Iran, which happened to be, you know, the, the mullahs, it was post-revolution.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Great book, great book out on that recently, I think, by Ben McIntyre.

• 36:29Speaker 06

  Ben McIntyre, yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, great, great kind of detailed book on that SAS raid, you know.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  We've also had a few SAS guys on the Team House that have talked about it as well, who are on the raid.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Talking about like, you know, the chlorine bomb and stuff like that, and how John mentioned ISIS using it. I mean, we've now, after 23 years, have pulled out officially of Iraq. I guess there was a little bit of time between, you know, 2011 and 2013, 14, when we were, you know, low vis at least. But now we're officially gone. You guys have all been there, you guys have all served there. What are your thoughts?

• 37:14Speaker 04

  I mean, it was interesting. I went in on the infill. Uh, in April of oh three, I was living with the Kurds with Mick up in December oh two. Mick was, uh, uh, stayed up there and was going after what was the Ansar Islam. And I got pulled to go in with, with JSOC for the HVT hunt. So I remember arriving in Biap in April oh three, pretty wild. And it's, you know, it's twenty two thousand twenty six now. I mean, you know, the, the war, of course, lasted too long. But I think one of the, one of the concerns that one would have now is with this, you know, you know, what does a formal withdrawal mean? I mean, we're still going to have military advisors there. We still have to, there has to be an intelligence relationship because it's the struggle for, uh, for Iran.

• 37:56Speaker 04

  And so I think there is, you know, the, the concern is the amount of disengagement we have with the Iraqi government. Is that actually kind of reflected by this formal announcement of the, of a formal US troop withdrawal? Probably not. I mean, you know, there's, I think there's still going to be significant US influence. I would hope there is. But it's, you know, then there's also kind of strange, you know, just personal views like, oh, you know, we're there a hell of a long time, kind of just scratching your head. And of course, the counter, the counter ISIS mission was, um, was, was, was pretty wild. I remember sitting in our headquarters and getting a phone call from the chief of station Baghdad at the time. It was a deputy, maybe it was a friend of mine. And he's like, and I, I, I was doing something else at the time.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  And if you remember the kind of the, the ISIS onslaught, I mean, this is, they, they had massive swaths of territory. And he's like, he's like, hey, man, like ISIS is on like the gates of Baghdad being a little dramatic. And I was like, what are you talking about? Pretty wild. But Iraq is going to be something that for a lot of us, you know, was kind of seminal to our lives and careers. And then there was kind of Afghan, Afghanistan deployments too. But, uh, and the final piece on this that I would say, and I still, and this is have to, we all have to reconcile what we did there. Is, you know, you have to remember the regime of Saddam Hussein was hideous. Uh, I remember when we went in, you know, of course, the WMD issue was there, but I, my hope, because I do believe this

• 39:19Speaker 04

  in terms of kind of this notion of American exceptionalism is that at the end of the day, this would be better for the Iraqi people that were doing this. So you have to kind of sit back and say, are the Iraqi people better off right now than they were under Saddam? And you can argue that they are. Though we did kill a hell of a lot of, uh, and probably a lot of civilians were killed as well. So it's just one of these, there's, there's no answer to this that's going to be, you know, black and white. It's kind of a mixed, mixed muddle thing. So I just, I'm not even sure where I, where I land on it. This is like a therapy session.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, I mean,

• 39:55Speaker 06

  not that, not that anyone should care about my own personal involvement in Iran, Iraq, sorry. I, I, yeah.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  Iran stuff you can't tell us, that's the secret shit.

• 40:06Speaker 06

  Yeah. All right, I, it's all in my book. But, but yeah, having, having kind of seen the bookends of US, not quite the bookends, but near bookends of US involvement from the invasion to, you know, the recapture of Mosul from ISIS in twenty seventeen.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  And in between that, Andy, you were in Fallujah during, you know?

• 40:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. So I, I mean, but, but think about this, okay? Never mind about my own personal experience, but think about this, this is the first time. Because we pulled out of Syria, right? I mean, last troops have pulled out of Syria. So this is the first time in over two decades, there are no American troops on the ground between Iran and the Mediterranean. Right? Tehran has wanted this curdle for, for over two decades. And now, and now we've, and now in the midst of a war, we've handed them this, you know? I, I mean, I, I get it, you know, this was Iraq, Iraq's sovereign country, blah, blah, blah. But, but this is very concerning.

• 41:16Speaker 06

  And, uh,

• 41:19Speaker 06

  in the,

• 41:22Speaker 06

  the Iranian backed militias are more, if they were embedded in Iraq's security forces, they, they have grown stronger amongst all the, you know, along with the Houthis, they've grown stronger during this war rather than weaker.

• 41:41Speaker 06

  They are, they are a sectarian force. The Iraqi government arguably does not have a monopoly on violence within its own borders. Right? Because of these, these militias, and that's a concern.

• 41:57Speaker 06

  You know, even if you don't think that's a concern from the point of view of the fact that they are Iranian influence, remember it was the actions of these, of these militias that sparked, uh, that sparked ISIS, you know, essentially this, the growth of ISIS, because the Sunni community saw them quite rightly as being a sectarian force and a threat.

• 42:22Speaker 06

  So, you know, you've got threats from all sides now.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  The Iran's happy. And, uh, and I think as, as Mark pointed out, the, the threat from the Islamic State has not gone away. You know, the detention camps in northeast Syria, um, Al-Hol and the, and the prisons are no longer, no, they're no longer under US backed, uh, SDF oversight. So who controls them and, and how well, right? I mean, the, these are all concerns when people say we had no reason to be there. We had many reasons still to be there.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  And I think the biggest losers here are the Kurds. Because you've got thirty five million people, the largest non-state ethnic group on the planet, been struggling to have their own unified identity of whatever that might look like since nineteen sixteen, when the Sykes Pico agreement was signed and they were excluded from having a state, while almost everybody else got their state between the British and the French and the Russians. And now, in the last ten years, I remember back the first time when Mattis was Secretary of Defense, he resigned because Trump wanted to abandon, abandon the Kurds in Syria. And again, we've now abandoned the Kurds in Iraq. And of course, we're not going to be totally gone, but, but we're pretty gone compared to what we were before and what those relationships were like.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  And those relationships were built with the understanding that we'd be there for the Kurds. You know, the way that the Kurds stood up their security forces and the way that they trained men and equipped themselves were with the understanding that we would be next to them because they, they weren't yet self-sufficient and they aren't, they don't have a state. It's true that if you're an Iraqi in Baghdad, you can't just go up to Kurdistan without approval from the Kurdish government. But it's still Iraq as far as the rest of the world is concerned. And that, that causes a challenge with the Kurds, whether that's in Iraq or in Syria or Turkey or Iran, because all of those states don't want the Kurds to have their own independent soil.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  You know, when you talk about a withdrawal, you know, we're talking about small numbers here. So it's just like, and it's a different argument entirely for Afghanistan, I understand. But it's just like in Afghanistan, we were talking about keeping three thousand, you know, SOF and IC personnel. So, you know, and, and the American people don't care about this at all. Let's just kind of understand that. But from the national security perspective, you know, why not have kept a thousand or so forces? Was it that much of a bilateral issue with the Iraqis? Or is this coming right from the Trump administration and from Trump who wants to say, I am out entirely? I'm the one who did this.

• 44:55Speaker 06

  I think he wants to frame it as, as he said, as a decisive victory over ISIS. Right? And then there's this paradox of he's saying, hey, I, I promised you I would do this, that we pull out of the Middle East. But, but you want to say, yeah, but, but you started a war in the Middle East.

• 45:14Speaker 06

  It's not the right, you don't do that. It's like, hey. So, and, and to the point about a small number of troops, you know, I, I, I, I agree. I mean, it was a small price, but those guys are, were, were having exponential effects. Yeah, right? Because of who they were, they brought with them air defense. And by the way, um, I, I was reading that the, the Kurds, that, that Kurdish area of the, the, oh, we used to call it the Ark, right, of northern Iraq has, has taken, um, uh, over a thousand drone and missile attacks since the war began, not covered by the media, right? A lot of those coming from the, uh, the militias.

• 45:58Speaker 06

  Qatar Hezbollah is publicly celebrating withdrawal of US forces, calling it the beginning of full sovereignty. Right? Which is ironic because Qatar Hezbollah is of course Iranian backed. So all of these, yeah, are concerning. And, and in the aftermath of us pulling out of Hezbollah back in Syria back in April, turning over those facilities to Al-Jalani's guys.

• 46:28Speaker 05

  Turning over to two knees too, that was the problem.

• 46:30Speaker 04

  Tell Trump, that was awesome. Remember that? He actually, we actually had forces in Syria and Trump didn't know it.

• 46:37Speaker 04

  That's a, that was a, one of General Mattis's finest moments, I think.

• 46:41Speaker 06

  Very slow rolled them.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 04

  Was it worth it? I mean, that's the answer. You know, I'm so that's the question. Was it all worth it? I mean, that's what we kind of sit around and kind of scratch your head. Someone killed there. I mean, this is, I mean, it is a kind of existential question as you're when you're all fart like us. Sorry, Jonathan, you're not as old, but.

• 47:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, those those forces were, I mean, they were watching that whole corridor, right? They were interdicting lethal aid shipments. They were providing air defense.

• 47:12Speaker 06

  They were they were providing direct partnership with forces on the ground from, you know, and they were keeping pressure on ISIS. I mean, all of those missions, anyone who says those missions were not weren't worth the cost.

• 47:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the concept of defending forward. I mean, the concept of defending forward is something that we're losing. And that's something I think everyone here really believes in.

• 47:37Speaker 06

  Well, also being a partner. Well, now, now, now Iraq becomes Iranian strategic death.

• 47:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 06

  I mean, Iranian territory is even more so now a launchpad for militia drones and missiles. They've already fired on Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Jordan from from Iraq. The Iraqi security forces cannot control.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  That was the northern part of the attack on on the Yanbu pipeline was Hezbollah in Iraq while the Houthis attacked from the south.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  And then and then there's kind of the intangible part of this, right? I mean, I I know I'm going back to the Kurds. They were, I mean, I have a personal affiliation there. They were when I was Sujasoda commander, they were, I mean, probably along with,

• 48:28Speaker 06

  even more so than the Sunni militia, they were almost stalwart allies. It was the Kurds who stopped the Islamic State, right? Who bottled the Islamic State in Mosul, prevented them from advancing further in the north. They've been absolutely almost dependable partner against the Islamic State, both in Iraq and especially in Syria with the SDF. And now they're left without air defense, without a, you know, partner, without our forces there. Their territory is up for grabs. And, you know, if we still had credibility in the region,

• 49:05Speaker 06

  we, once again, we're going to have our reliability judged by what.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  I mean, look at the front page of The Economist, talks about the US walking away from the Middle East.

• 49:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  It's very depressing. I mean, so again, it's, I mean, it's, I'm going to put you both on the spot, you know, you know. So what are your thoughts on Iraq when you sit around and have a Scotch or a cup of coffee? I mean, this is, I know it's kind of deep, but a lot of, a lot of blood, sweat, tears and, you know, pain there. And, you know, is it, was it, obviously, you're proud of your service. Everyone is. But there's got to be more than that as you're kind of sitting around or do not think about it.

• 49:39Speaker 05

  Well, I look at it and I say, we have failed to understand Iraq from day one, and that's not from 2003 or 1998 Desert Fox. That's earlier. I mean, look at 1980 to 88, the Iran-Iraq war. We intentionally armed both sides of the war so that neither would win. But in doing so, we actually strengthened Saddam's grip in Iraq vis a vis Iran. You know, like, this is a reality. That led to the Gulf War in 1991. That emboldened him to feel like he could move next after Iraq, Iran surrendered essentially, drank the poison chalice so that Ayatollah said, two years later, there he is mobilizing into Kuwait. You know, like, you can point to any point back in history, further and further back and say, oh, it was there, it was there, it was there. But the fact is that even like Coalition Provisional Authority back in 2003,

• 50:24Speaker 05

  you could carefully argue that that was a poorly run way to, after the invasion, what to do with the debathification and so on. It's been kind of like a series of mistakes or blunders, maybe just call it blunders. But, you know, whether that's putting all these guys together in a prison, in Bukha Prison, that were extremists and letting them sit next to each other and have nothing else to do except talk about how they're going to defeat the West. And then releasing them all in 2011 and then saying we're done with Iraq. And then two years later, there we are again, back in Iraq, worse than before. So like, you could really just point at so many of these things and say, like, that was the mistake or that was the turning point. But it really kind of generally looks toward, we just didn't understand this adversary. And maybe we don't even know which one is the adversary.

• 51:07Speaker 05

  Because as you mentioned, Mark, Saddam Hussein was the enemy in 2003. But there were things that he was doing that were in our interest in the 80s that we put our adversarial relationship aside and sided with him.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Satellite imagery for this, for the Iran-Iraq war. We were helping. And then we were, of course, then giving the Iranians weapons too. So exactly as you said, playing both sides.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  And we had the Syrians join our coalition in 1991 to fight Saddam. We had Assad's forces come join us on Saudi soil to go fight against and help Kuwait. You know, there's a lot of these things where short term looks like a good idea. And the way this message to the public may not, may not transmit all of the implications of that relationship into the future. And even the way that we describe these things, like right now, saying we have all these troops removed from Iraq. That's not true. There are still US forces, Title X forces in Iraq. There will be for the future and they're they're on different jobs. Some of them are special operations forces. Some of them work at the embassy. The Baghdad Embassy is the largest embassy on the planet. And it has a lot of Marines there defending that that grounds.

• 52:09Speaker 05

  And those those assets on that facility, in addition to other security forces, those those guys will stay there. And there are a lot of other guys doing other things in Iraq. And I remember actually 2016, before Trump came in, but Obama was still there. And he said, we have no boots on the ground in Syria. And me and my team look at our boots on the ground and we're like, who are we? You know, so there's always a way to describe something that sounds to the public like something's changing. And yet things may actually be staying more of the same than we thought they were.

• 52:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm afraid I'm a cynic on that. I I've seen the Title X guys in Iraq. They they're doing very little. You know, I mean, there's two, two ODAs in a diplomatic compound, training from 20th Group, you know, training, Iraqi special forces. They're not, they're not even a speed bump. They're not doing, you know, they're not. But I do agree, yes, we have intelligence assets there, but it's not, that we have, we, I think, I mean, I make no mistake, I think this is a blunder. And I think, you know, and I'm agreeing with you, John, that too often people say to me, or they word things this way, was the invasion of Iraq a mistake or was it a good thing? Well,

• 53:22Speaker 06

  it's it's really difficult to say whether it was a mistake or not. It could have, it could have worked out infinitely better. But we we did something, all right? We removed a regime, perhaps on with good intentions, all right? As far as without, perhaps even, you know, giving it the benefit of doubt based on the intelligence we had at the time. But the point is not that, but what came afterwards. And to John's point, we've made blunder after blunder after blunder. I mean, there are too many to list here that culminated in the Islamic State, taking back,

• 54:01Speaker 06

  taking back the all the territory that we had fought to take from Al Qaeda, Ramadi, Fallujah, right? And and threatening bad, getting to within 30 kilometers of Baghdad. That's no exaggeration. That's in the task force that went out in 20, early 2016. And our mandate was to help the Iraqis. And by the way, the Sunnis and especially the Kurds pushed the, not especially Kurds, but the Kurds too, pushed the Islamic State back. And and the toll in terms of Iraqi lives has been huge. Anyone who is out there, you don't have, you know, prior to the Islamic State, the civil war that occurred, that we had a hand in really allowing to happen and initiating, let's be honest, all right?

• 54:46Speaker 06

  Look, I think we've been a force for good in many things since then. The the triumph over the Islamic State was, I mean, that that was the one thing we did really well, using proxy forces

• 54:59Speaker 06

  at very low cost, US lives. But now it seems as though we have thrown it away. And and I don't, I'm not at all optimistic about what we say we can still do. Without that footprint there, we can't do shit. I mean, that's the bottom line. We can talk about it, but having dudes in the embassy compound is not the same as having, you know, a nuclear secretary of special operations forces, both in Syria and in Iraq.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  Zero national security debate on this in the United States. There doesn't seem to be anything.

• 55:35Speaker 06

  No one cares. No, no, no one cares. And and to do this in the midst of a war.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  It's like.

• 55:43Speaker 04

  Can I ask you guys? Okay, so Dee, can I have one? I need two minutes of their time to ask them something. You ready?

• 55:49Speaker 06

  Please.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  This is important. So I got to go give a speech. I was telling Jonathan before at VMI, the Virginia Military Institute. It's a, and and one of the things that the the faculty asked me to do is, you know, there's this famous, famous scene in Black Hawk Down. Everyone's, you know, with Hoot, who's who's kind of this Delta Force operator. He's a combination of actual real people. But he's talking about just doing it, you know, you you fight these battles, you do it for the men and women to the right and left of you. And that's it. That's who you're doing it for. But I think in the talk that I want to talk, that I want to, that that matters to, you know, potential future, you know, national security leaders has to do with, shouldn't people who we send into battle understand kind of the bigger picture?

• 56:29Speaker 04

  I understand the small unit stuff. I've been involved in that and it's true because you have this incredible camaraderie and you want to get everyone home. But what about, like, the things we talk about now? Don't you think it's important to tell the men and women who are, you know, you put in harms way, you know, why we are doing this and not with some like Pete Hegseth, pushups, blah, blah, speech? You know, but fundamentally, you know, you know, we are doing this. We're trying to better Iraq. Perhaps install some type of Iraqi, you know, you know, a better system of government there. Because that's in the national interest. It's the interest of the United States. What do you think of that in terms of the the the people who you led? I mean, don't you, do you think it's important to have that notion of, you know,

• 57:10Speaker 04

  because American, American exceptionalism is the idea that, that, you know, putting the values and ideals of the US political and economic liberalism, not pushing it on people, but still promoting it, that is a good thing for the national security of the United States. What's your reaction to that? That just came to mind as I'm, I'm going to formulate this speech.

• 57:29Speaker 06

  I agree 100%. You know, I I remember.

• 57:34Speaker 06

  So soldiers, Marines, they do care. And you're right, yes, they care mostly about those to right and left. But they, they, they want an understanding of the bigger picture too. And, um, and I thought that generally that we've had commanders who do that very well. Um, I would say the turning point, eh, just from my experience in Iraq, was where it became harder and harder to justify what we were doing there was around two thousand five, two thousand and six. Until that point, I thought we did a really good job and, and, you know, going into Fallujah, every Marine understood, hey, this is, you know, this is, uh, Zakawi's, um, stronghold. If we, you know, I mean, they,

• 58:19Speaker 06

  there were heightened expectations of what taking Fallujah would mean. Of course, in the end, it didn't mean anything. But the point is that the Marines understood, um, and, and they were told by their commanders in, you know, in good, with best of intentions, hey, this is why this battle is so important. And it, and it meant a lot. Um, hi, it, it became more difficult. Um, and, and I know because I mean, I've been commanding a battalion there as late as, oh, seven, oh, eight, and we were, we knew we're on pulling out. Yeah, we knew that Al Qaeda was still a threat. My predecessor, the guy I took over from was killed, battalion commander,

• 59:00Speaker 06

  um, two weeks before the turnover. So we knew Al Qaeda was still a threat in the empire province. We didn't swallow all this bullshit about the empire wake awakening had, had solved everything. We knew the state that Iraqi security forces were in, who, you know, to whom we were turning over everything. Um, and, and that, and, and yet we still took casualties during those last few months, right? And, and that, that was harder to explain. Um, it was, but the Marines generally, they, you know, they, they just, they, they do the job, right? I know that sounds like a horribly facile thing to do. They don't spend a lot of time deliberating. Um, what it, what became,

• 59:45Speaker 06

  what really changed for me was the attitude of families, gold star families, coming back from their last deployment. Because Marines are young kids, eighteen through twenty-two, um, and a particularly demographic, right? They, you know, they, they, they, they're in the now. They're there with their buddies. They're doing something that's relatively exciting. This is what they have been bred to do. So the bigger picture is important, but it's not all important. But to their families, it is all important. But the problem with that is their families represent a miniscule percentage of the average congressman or senator's constituency, right? So they carry zero weight. It's not like Vietnam,

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  where everyone faced the prospect of their kid going to Vietnam unless he developed, I don't know, burns, burns or something. But, um, you know, the fact that, I've said this before, the fact that the US military now, those who serve in the US military, those who serve in the US military overseas is such a miniscule percentage of the population, that there is no leverage, uh, with lawmakers and that. And that knock on effects are the fact that we have authorized uses of military force that keep getting extended. No one really cares that much about the fact we're at war now with Iran, except for when prices start rising. Um,

• 1:01:08Speaker 06

  yeah, sorry, over lengthy answer, but it, it's the families who care most perhaps, and have a right to care and have a right to, you, you, you know, to understand that when, when US blood is shed, it's shed in a good cause. In a coherent, coherent policy.

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  You mentioned something interesting, Andy, about the Marines being more able to just execute. And I think that might have to do with maybe the more lulls and down periods there are in a soldier's, airmen's, or whoever's life there are, you need to explain more to them why they're sitting on that fob far away from their family, but not doing much. Whereas on the Marine Corps side, we find ourselves much more often doing things and we don't have to be told like, you're doing that because it's like, no, I'm just doing it because I see this as a threat right now to deal with. Whereas if you're a, a supply guy that does the mail and you're stuck on a fob hundreds of miles away from the action, and maybe you never see the action. Those are the people that need to be told, hey, this is why you're here. This is the bigger thing that you fit into. Because they're the ones sitting there quietly wondering, why am I sitting here on this base?

• 1:02:14Speaker 06

  Great point. Yeah, that, that would be my worst nightmare to be on, uh, camp, what is it? Camp Butthole in Kuwait, you know, guarding, guarding the gates, right? Like you saw National Guard battalions doing for a year at a time, nothing. Just walking to and from your place of work and the barracks, maybe a visit to the gym and the chow hall.

• 1:02:40Speaker 06

  Yeah. That lack of sense of purpose.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  But the good news is we're sending nine thousand airmen and marine, uh, sailors and Marines to CENTCOM AOR.

• 1:02:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  So that should be fun.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  You know, there's, there's something on that, you know, everyone's talking about three carriers there. But then if you take a look at all this, we're all looking at all the same ocean sites, you know, the flow of B ones is not, it's not the same. There, there's, and there's, there's, there's some tankers that are coming back. Like, we always talk about signal versus noise and noise is Trump's yapping, whatever. Signal is when you see things moving. But with this announcement, which everyone thought was really significant, then if you look at the airflow that's going on, eh, it doesn't actually point to, you know, this, this, a potential renewal of, of serious hostility. So I, I don't know where we are on that because it's, it's, it's, it is a little contradictory.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Well, there's been about a bunch of reporting saying that like, if Trump does, uh, start again, it's going to be after the midterms.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  Point. Yep.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  Well, my thought, looking at this is this is Trump messaging to Iran not to escalate now before the midterms. Saying, hey, we have guys here if they need to be used. And it's not as much of an offensive tool as a deterrent tool.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  But you guys see this stuff about the flow back, uh, and they know there's, you know, the intel frog and, you know, there's, there's some legitimate sites that are like, well, wait a second. This might not be as, you know, everyone, this is not a rush to war, uh, by, you know, end of October, early November.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  Also, Trump did, uh, kind of signal, and I'm assuming, uh, the, the audience was for Iran. Uh, possible like boots on the ground stuff after the midterms as well.

• 1:04:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, but the forces aren't there to do that.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 06

  You know, I mean, it, it's too, yeah, I mean, uh, there are two thousand Marines out there. There's two thousand more Marines on the way. That's, you know, I mean, that's, that's a raid force at the most. There's, you know, elements, command elements of the eighty second airborne out there. Um, they, there's no indications of a, uh, they, I, I would say, and watch me just be proven absolutely horrifically wrong. Zero chance of any ground operation, except for maybe raids, as we talked about in the islands and the homos, which I think would be a mistake. Um, or if we, you know, I know this, this looks in the background like a, uh,

• 1:05:02Speaker 06

  uh, like a, a Twitter specter, right? Um, that, or we put special forces in to find the four hundred KG of uranium, which I also think is incredibly unlikely. Um, but I agree with you guys. I think this is signaling. Um, you know, we've got, there's two carriers out there. There's a third on the way out there. Um, it's not quite the first time that we, we would have three carriers out there. I think there was a time back in April when we did two. And then prior to that, it was two thousand and three and there's, but there's a lot of social media banging on about, yeah, this hasn't happened in twenty years. Something is brewing. Not necessarily, you know, we're sending the Roosevelt out after its incredibly successful deployment last time. I'm joking.

• 1:05:47Speaker 06

  Remember the Roosevelt shot down like, you know, one of its planes and lost a couple overboard. Um,

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  And isn't it, doesn't this leave a carrier missing from the Pacific? I mean, there's, there's also the kind of the geostrategic part of this too, that where, you know, this, this, this not, this, this now has reached eight months or something ridiculous. And we are not kind of focusing on the key threat for the US national security.

• 1:06:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I, I don't, and I, I haven't been, I haven't been tracking what's missing in the Pacific. Of course, the carrier doesn't do shit for us in the Pacific. It's more, but it does, potentially in the Middle East.

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  But it's symbolic, though.

• 1:06:31Speaker 06

  You know, yeah, no, a hundred, a hundred percent. Absolutely. Yeah. And, and I, you know, again, it's very interesting to read about how the Taiwanese are viewing all of this.

• 1:06:46Speaker 06

  And the, so I, if I was a betting man, I mean, I agree with you guys. I don't think we're looking at an imminent return to escalation of the conflict. I think a lot of this is messaging. But, you know, the meeting the other day, right, of the so-called kind of war cabinet,

• 1:07:06Speaker 06

  this, you know, the Ratcliffe, Kane.

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  It was a, it was a PC. It was a principals committee meeting. I mean, that's, that's unusual. Camp David, kind of strange that the sit room, but it is a PC and PCs are designed to come to a decision that then someone takes to the president. So, you know, I mean, it is kind of significant, especially when we have all kind of, you know, been hammering the Trump administration for doing policy on a, on a paper napkin in the Oval. They actually did some kind of process here. So, that's notable. I mean, who knows?

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  The, the David powwow stuff with the PC stuff is, has been reported in the media over the last, like, several months, that like, when, when Trump goes to Camp David, he comes out with a decision to either attack or not attack. He did it with Yemen as well. So that could be signaling too. I mean, at this point, it's so like.

• 1:07:57Speaker 06

  That's, that's what the speculation is. I mean, last time, there was a Camp David meeting was June, and it was right before actually the Israelis struck Iran. But if I was a betting man, I would say that the decision, we haven't seen it yet, but the decision was to help Saudi Arabia by going after, you know, missile launches, the Houthis missile launches. And I mean, I would, I would hope that that was what the war, the, you know, the PC committee was advising and was, hey, look, boss, you know, Saudi Arabia's been a strategic partner, like it or not. And then they, and they, they're eating drones and missiles, and the effects aren't just on Saudi Arabia, they're on the global supply

• 1:08:41Speaker 06

  of oil. And, and everyone's watching. And by the way, we're running out of interceptors, and so are the Gulf countries. And the best way to then to prevent more missiles and drones raining down on us, where we have to use up more interceptors, is to go after the launches.

• 1:09:01Speaker 06

  I would hope that was the conversation. And I would hope that the action that we see is going to be support for Saudi Arabia by striking the Houthis if and when they, they strike Saudi Arabia again. I mean, the Houthis have been striking Saudi Arabia, and the United States has done nothing.

• 1:09:20Speaker 04

  I'm hoping, hoping the same. We shall see.

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

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• 1:10:03Speaker 04

  Dee, one quick thing.

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  Please. Red Sox stink?

• 1:10:06Speaker 04

  No, no. Oh, Slipknot has announced its, its tour in the United States. They're coming to Washington DC. They'll be in Boston as well. This is a very big deal for me. And so I will, I will, I promise next time I will start, start wearing a Slipknot t-shirt.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  Please do. Yeah. Also, definitely don't wear those Red Sox t-shirts. Yeah. Thanks, guys.

• 1:10:33Speaker 06

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