Young Thug drops UY SCUTI, opens up on mental health, leaked calls, jail time, misconceptions, depression, Drake's advice, loyalty, fatherhood, bond with Mariah the Scientist, and reveals the one thing fans never knew in a powerful bid for a fresh start.

“Just being able to see you are still just a person because being a superstar is like a mask, it’s like a representative, when you get in jail and fighting for your life, you realize this shit is all an act, it’s all just a mask.” Young Thug In one of the most raw and captivating episodes of the year, Young Thug sits down with Ryan, Channing and Fred for an unfiltered conversation in which he opens up in like never before after beating Georgia's biggest case, enduring a trial that shook the hip-hop world and reflecting on the emotional toll of incarceration, how he navigated leaked phone calls, and the impact it all had on his family and mental health. From the moment the guys start talking, Thug is full of emotion, remorse and takes accountability for all that he's been through and put the people closest to him through- he longs for a fresh start but doesn't waiver on who he is, his manhood and doubles down on loyalty. Ryan asks Thug how things got to where they did and why he turned to the streets, despite his overwhelming success, dating back to his childhood and growing up in a house with his father as an example of family. Acknowledging the weight of the world on his shoulders, he reveals how he's been coping, exploring the range of emotions he's experiencing and understanding ways to deal with depression. He speaks candidly about his relationship with his girlfriend Mariah The Scientist and how they survived through the storm, expresses gratitude for fatherhood, and shares what kept him grounded when his future looked uncertain. In a moment of vulnerability, Thug reveals the people who didn't turn their back on him during the dark times, including Drake, Lil Baby and how Kanye and Kim Kardashian are the ones who gave him his biggest break. Thug gives fans a glimpse into his creative mindset, impact on culture, life codes, details behind his new music and how his experiences have transformed his sound and purpose. Going through emotional—now is Young Thug’s most pivotal moment, as he tunes out the negative noise, ignores the criticism and embraces the chance to start over. Thank you to Toyota and as you heard, we talked about Toyota's all in partnership with football and game day giveaways, Learn more at https://toyota.com/nfl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:26Ryan Clark?

  Young Thug, the man known to many as the melodic Atlanta rapper that just beat the biggest racketeering case in the history of the state of Georgia. But today, we'll introduce you to Jeffrey Lamar Williams, in hopes that you leave knowing more about him after this conversation. I mean, he was a project baby. He grew up idolizing the dope boys, and he turned into the exact thing he looked up to. The jail cell wasn't a foreign concept to him, but this was different. There were days behind bars that made him long to be the one person he was the exact opposite of: the police. I mean, but at least they got to go home. During this time, Thug found God. He said, "When you're up against what he was, praying five times a day just becomes a way of life,

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  because this sort of thing changes you." But he called us, because he wants to open up, get in touch with his feelings, be vulnerable. But more importantly, he wants to grow. He took us through the pains of his legal troubles, the people who supported him, those who didn't. And honestly, he seems grateful for it all. I mean, at least now he knows. He's turning into his father. His son's moved in with him, but he is still going through it with his lady, Mariah the Scientist. Thankfully, she's still taking care of him, though. I mean, Thug said, "I can't bring home the bacon and cook it." The one word that sticks out from our conversation is accountability, because he feels accountable for the hurt he's caused, accountable for what he said on those jail phone calls. And he's accountable for the worry,

• 1:53Ryan Clark?

  but he also feels like he's the glue that held so many things together. And he says, "Since he's been home, he's been mending beefs by the day." Something tells me this won't be the last time you see Young Thug on the pivot, because this one hit different. Please, enjoy this very special episode with Young Thug.

• 2:12Fred Taylor?

  You really went all the way LSU, didn't you?

• 2:14Channing Crowder?

  Who's that?

• 2:15Fred Taylor?

  With this shirt?

• 2:16Channing Crowder?

  This is Lakers. We in that Lakers.

• 2:18Fred Taylor?

  That's the Lakers, okay.

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, we at Lakers. But I had my Lakers hat. Honestly, I had a Lakers hat.

• 2:23Fred Taylor?

  You wanna go both ways.

• 2:24Channing Crowder?

  Whoa. I don't wanna go both ways.

• 2:27Fred Taylor?

  Not like that.

• 2:28Channing Crowder?

  I had a Lakers hat, but the [bleep] bill got straightened out. And I ain't wearing like no square ass [bleep].

• 2:35Ryan Clark?

  That's how I wear my hat. What you mean?

• 2:37Channing Crowder?

  You can't wear them flat hats.

• 2:38Ryan Clark?

  I wear a straight bill on my hat.

• 2:41Channing Crowder?

  You good, baby?

• 2:42Ryan Clark?

  There's a lot of Atlanta in here today, man.

• 2:44Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, Jack.

• 2:45Fred Taylor?

  What's up, Doc? Got it, respect.

• 2:47Ryan Clark?

  Chan, you should be...

• 2:48Channing Crowder?

  But we talented.

• 2:49Ryan Clark?

  You should feel at home. There's a lot of Atlanta here.

• 2:51Channing Crowder?

  I do. That's what I do, my man, from A- A.T.L. right there. Still got a house off, uh, Hogan Bridge. That man don't care. Still in the town. Georgia 400, I still got my house up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't leaving Atlanta. But I can't... I can't leave Miami. Cause I love Miami too, but I, I got this house somewhere to be in Atlanta though. How long you been in Atlanta? Shit, I got to Atlanta... Ninety-three. Mom and daddy got divorced. They hate each other. And then we moved to Atlanta. And that was, I got to Atlanta ninety-three. So I was there till I got, till I went to college in oh-three. So I was in Atlanta like ten, ten or eleven years, yeah.

• 3:31Ryan Clark?

  Well, alright, it's enough Atlanta.

• 3:34Channing Crowder?

  Listen, you can't, you can't do enough Atlanta. There's no, there's no way to do enough Atlanta.

• 3:59Ryan Clark?

  This is Young Thug, Brad Taylor, Ryan Clark, Shannon Crowder, Pivot fam. Thank y'all for pivoting with us. Man, first off, just wanna say, bro, it's good to see you outside and walking. Good to see you upright.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, appreciate it.

• 4:13Ryan Clark?

  You know, I heard something you said recently, man. You talked about people using your life as fun. Or, or memes. And this is what you are actually living. For you, how has the adjustment been to come out? And now people are using your real life struggles the way they are?

• 4:36Channing Crowder?

  I don't know. I think I've been dealing with the problems.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  So much, I ain't even just paid too much attention to it. I think it just came across. You know, one day you just like going through the motions and you're just like, damn, like,

• 4:54Speaker 04

  like everybody laughing, like.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  Ain't nobody sat and just was like, damn, bro, they leaking like, like this nigga intimate moments, like real phone calls. So, you know, I just always, I was just telling the people that was involved in that, in the phone calls, all my friends and people that I, that I, that I, you know, have feelings for, you know, I just telling them, you gotta just treat it like you never heard it because you, you, you didn't never supposed to hear it.

• 5:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  So just try to treat it like that, bro. It's crazy though, I don't know, I just look at it like, dang, like, bro, you laughing at like,

• 5:31Speaker 04

  real situations.

• 5:32Ryan Clark?

  I, I said to myself too though, like imagine if conversations, not that we have on the phone, just conversations we might have in here that aren't taped or talking about things that's going on in our lives, if people got to hear those things, how they might feel. But something that I respected was to say, those conversations that I had on the phone, I had with those people too. Like if somebody heard me talk about you, I'd wanna make sure that me and you had had that conversation, so you could say that too.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and bro, how, how was it like, bro? We all, it, it was, your legal struggle was blasted to the world. We watching you every day, sitting in that courtroom where your dreads ain't tight. And I know, like you look good, like I'm like, man, bro ain't even got his dreads tight. Like, how is that to go day to day and just sit there and not know what side of the legal struggle you about to fall on? Cause hell, as fans, we was like, we sitting there watching, but it's your life. I'm about to, I'm about to pick my kids up after school. It's your life though.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Bruh, I don't know. Just, God made me a happy person so I was able to just have like joyful moments even throughout those, even throughout the whole situation because you just get closer to God, you learn like, once you learn that it's never really the end, and if God don't kill you, it ain't the end of you. So, once you like figure that part out, everything else, you start noticing that it's like, oh, this is just a part of like the chapter, like this is a part of the movie. I think I was more so like just looking at it like that, like whatever happens, it's gonna happen anyway. So like I ain't, I can't be just like caught up in like the moment, because it's just like, you ain't dead. It can't be the end.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Something, you know, even people in, in prison with life sentences, it's just, it's just, you never know. Like, I got a brother that had a life sentence. He did 12 and a half years. He thought he was gonna do his whole life and then something just happened. And God just gave him another chance. I always had deep inner thoughts like, this ain't the end for me. I think that's how I was able to just like cope with, with everything that was happening. Just knowing like this ain't, it ain't the end, because I'm still living. God, I, it's just a part of the book, you know? You're just watching a movie and it's just like a crazy part of the movie, like. It's just a crazy part, like, what, damn, this shit crazy, you know? Just looking at it every day is just crazy.

• 8:06Channing Crowder?

  Like, we, we watched, we watching you with the, um, what are those, what's that, lamb hair?

• 8:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:11Channing Crowder?

  Your feet, that's lamb?

• 8:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I got, I'ma call Rick Owens and ask him which one, what it is, man, what skin, you know?

• 8:16Channing Crowder?

  That's lamb hair. I think your neck and your wrists is, your wrists are more expensive than my house right now.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  Are you pocket watching this, man?

• 8:27Channing Crowder?

  Everybody right here, well, oh. You know, hey, you know I'm a pocket watcher. I don't know if you watch the show. I watch pockets now, yeah. Yeah, we got, but, bro.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  You guess, you definitely ask some random questions, boy.

• 8:35Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Ask some random shit.

• 8:37Channing Crowder?

  But, but how do you go from living the way you live? And it was, I think they said it's the longest case that Georgia ever had. And you sitting there, bruh, three hots in the cot. Living to this, to three hots in the cot. What's, what's, what is that like when you sitting there looking up and, looking up at night?

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Hell.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  So what, why you just? You go from the life we live today, boy.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  I think my situation was so serious, I ain't even had time to realize. I think from day one, my lawyer was at the jail every day, six hours, eight hours a day. From day one, I ain't even had time to even just like think and sit back like. Obviously, it end up just catching up. You got officers, some of the officers just. They just normal people that ain't thinking like, like chess players. They just, damn, bruh, how I feel just being in this bit, bruh, you ain't nothing. No, you got a big ass beard. Bruh, how you bring this up?

• 9:40Speaker 04

  I'm this motherfucker exercising, nigga, just like. Bruh, just damn, bruh, you nasty ass, bro, bruh, you got, you got heated marble, bruh.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Man, going from, going from the life that God gave us to, to that is. Make, it's hump, it's gon, you gonna get humped. Sure. Did it change you? Yeah. I think more. I learned how to play chess. Patience, closer to God, more closer than you could, closer than you'll ever be. I don't think, no man can be closest, the closest he can get to God unless he go to jail. And it can't be just like a speeding ticket or you drunk or something. It gotta be some shit like, hey, nigga, this the end of it. This decision right here. You're either going home or you, or you going to prison for the rest of your life. You gotta be in that type of situation. That's what make it just like, so for, for people like us, we street, we, you know what I'm saying? We from the street.

• 10:34Speaker 04

  You got regular people that's just like, you know what I'm saying? You can go to jail for a DUI and be like, ah, hell no, you know? But where you from, where we from? It gotta be something like detrimental, it gotta be real serious. Even if it ain't life, it just gotta be something serious.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  That's when you gonna get the closer to God. I got, I just got better with eating, closer to God, working out, patience is key.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  Patience.

• 10:59Ryan Clark?

  Do you remember the moment?

• 11:00Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 11:01Ryan Clark?

  You reached out to God, though? You know what I mean? Like, the moment where... Because you said it can't be something quick for somebody like you. It can't be a DUI. It has to be a life or death or an inside or outside situation. Do you remember the moment where you fell on your knees and you said, "Okay, God, I don't get out of this without you"?

• 11:24Speaker 04

  One of the days, my lawyer came and saw me. And he just like... He just couldn't take it no more neither, you know? Not like panicking, but he was just like, like, "Fuck, bro, we in some shit, bro."

• 11:40Speaker 04

  Like, "Nigga, what the fuck? Have you never not listened to me, bro?" Because he's been my lawyer for like 15 years. He always told me, like, "Man, stay away from people. Stay away from these guys. Stay away from people that ain't on bigger levels than you. Don't deal with it. Only bad come from it. Dealing with people in your hood can't nothing but bad come from it. Nothing ever in life but bad, you know? Learned the hard way." But I guess we were just going through the discovery. We had so many fucking terabytes of discovery. And we just went... They were sending it like Discovery One, Discovery Two, Discovery Three. And it'd just be like fucking 50 million sheets of paper. So it's just like, "But we'll make it through all of it, and it wouldn't be so bad."

• 12:25Speaker 04

  And we're like, "Yes." And you know what I'm saying? Like, then they like Discovery Two. And then there don't be nothing in it pertaining to me. He's like, "Yeah, we good. We got them." Discovery Three, really, not too much. Discovery Four, not too... Discovery Five, crazy. Discovery Six, crazy. Discovery Seven, crazy. Now it's just like... Damn. And he just came to see me one day, boy. He just was like...

• 12:50Speaker 04

  Man, you know I'm with you forever, man. No matter what, bro. You go to prison forever, I die. This is what my lawyer used to always tell me. If you go to prison forever, I die. Part of me is gone. Like, I'm like a son to him, one of my son's. Bro, if you go to prison forever, part of me is dead, literally. I would not be able to continue being a lawyer and just like be a good, a happy person.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Just them type of talks you just had, like, bro.

• 13:20Fred Taylor?

  Hey, dog, you, um, you was the tenth of eleven, eleven kids growing up, right? So that's a lot of love in a, in a big household. You, you spoke on Bank interview about not having your, your, your people, your, your guys around you. Now, like, when I see that, I see like that image of Will Smith standing in the house, looking around, nobody in there, right? How does it feel knowing that when you went in, you had everything, right? All your people, and now to come home, you on your pivot, like, it's a big reset. You gotta get back to it. Like, what state of mind are you in right now, like, seriously?

• 14:03Speaker 04

  I don't know, bro. I just think I'm a street nigga, bro. I'm just, I'm such a gangster and a man. I just don't like to just be like, to even acknowledge if I'm, if I'm depressed about something like, I don't even really know what the fuck depressed is. Like, I don't know what you, how you appear, how you appear when you depressed. I don't know, bro. I be having like talks with my girl, you know, just like some of the homies, you know, people like Big Bank. Talk to them type people and just like, bam, bro, you depressed, bro, you hurt. I'm like, what it look like? How you know? I never just really dealt with it. I was just so caught up into just like shows, my craft, and just like helping people and doing shit. To the point where I don't know. I, I think I'm depressed because, but I just think it's because goddamn everybody telling me.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  I don't know if I am, I don't know.

• 14:49Ryan Clark?

  You saying like right now, still, you think you depressed?

• 14:53Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah, cuz you gotta think like.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Shit, not to just keep talking about the shit that I talked about in bank interview, but like you gotta think, it's just like, imagine y'all just being with each other for the last 12 years, every day, every day. You got shows, they going to your show, when they got show, you going there, just every day. Till just like being in jail, then your crew doing the wrong thing. Now you, now you dolo. Now they get, now your crew get out of jail, even though you ain't really too tough caring to even deal with them no more, when they, if they do some backstabbing, you like, I ain't tripping anyway. But like, they get out of jail, then they don't check in, nobody do nothing, it's just

• 15:41Speaker 04

  like, you know, I'm just like going to court. Luckily, we can have a mean judge at the end of the court, of the trial. So we can, I was able to like be on the internet, I'm just on the internet, so I'm just seeing niggas that just like left me in the slump, I'm just seeing them on the internet, just living their life, people just doing, it's just so much shit, bro, like, what the fuck? Then you get out of jail, you got like, the biggest record label in the world at that point, like, post 2020, like going up, 2022, like, I had the number one record label. Till you getting out of jail, and it's like, everybody just gone ahead, you know what I'm saying?

• 16:18Ryan Clark?

  How much of a difference did you feel from, and Channing sort of asked this question, but from being famous, right? Worldwide. Worldwide, like, the, it's so funny, you know, and I made fun of my producer, it was funny that she was even texting and setting it up, she was like, yeah, you know, they say thugs can do this time. And I told her, I was like, one, when you text thug like that, it only means one person, right? Everybody knows who that one person is, you don't have to explain the rest of it. To being in jail, what's the stark contrast between those two polar opposite lives?

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Being able, being able to see that you just, you just still a person.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Like, the shit, like, being a superstar is just like a mask. It's like a representative. When you get in jail and you like, fighting for your life, you realize like, damn, like, this shit all a act. It's all just like, a fucking mask. It's like a representative. You know what I'm saying? When you in jail, you goddamn get stripped. Now you know like, damn, just like this nigga. This nigga, boom, just like this nigga, bro. Like, I can get stored every single week, but I gotta do the same exact thing, and wear the same exact thing, and think just like this nigga. And he might get out before me. It was some, it was times when I was in jail, I was wishing I was other people in that motherfucker. Like, damn, I wish I was that nigga, bro. That nigga finna go.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Nigga looking at a junkie like, damn. I'm finna get out of here, bitch.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Nigga just sitting in that bitch, while I'm just like, damn, bro, this is the first time I ever in my life, considered being a police. Like, damn, I wish I was a police. These niggas just clock in, they got their phones in the jail, they just walking around checking on people. What's up, bruh? Aight, bruh, I'll see you tomorrow. We're gonna go on home with the babies, bro. I'm like, damn, man. If I was the police, I wouldn't even be in this situation.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Like, oh, man. So, I know the way over from a kid, and just like, I wanna be a police. I do not wanna be in this shit.

• 18:23Channing Crowder?

  If it made you feel like you wanted to be the police, bro, that's a badass time, dawg. I remember. I'd have been locked up a couple times. And when I'm sitting in that cell, with that toilet in the middle, where I gotta shit in front of all them other grown men, that was the most uncomfortable thing to me, 'cause I'm shitting and there's a crackhead staring at me. Right in my eyes.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:45Channing Crowder?

  What's up, bruh?

• 18:46Speaker 04

  You gonna do something with that shit, bruh? In jail, you don't know, man, shit crazy.

• 18:51Channing Crowder?

  But, bruh, when, like you said, it's funny you say that. You just a street, you a street dude. And I had to learn, I got locked up in college. Cause I was, I came from Atlanta and I go to Gainesville. And I'm still doing the same thing. My whole thing was, another grown man can't call me a bitch and not get, we can't, we have to fight. And then I get around other people from around the world and dudes be like, bitch, bitch ass, whatever they say. And I would jump on them and everybody be like, damn, bro, you, when are you gonna get out of this? I'm all American. You know what I'm saying? We make, we make money, we're famous. Like, when, when can you separate it and say like, bro, you're the thug, you're the breadwinner of a lot of people?

• 19:34Channing Crowder?

  When can you get out of that and transition? Because you can't be no street dude, no, no, I'm sorry to tell you. You can't be that guy no more. You need to be the guy that's selling out hundred thousand dollars, hu- hundred thousand people stadiums. You the guy that could change your kids, kids, kids life. And you gotta get out the streets.

• 19:55Channing Crowder?

  What, can you, is there any transition?

• 19:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. I think, I think the transition already had started. Like, the transition started in jail, you know? You just praying every day, you praying 10 times a day to God. You telling God, man, you let, you get me out of this situation, man, listen. I'm walking straight line, green.

• 20:12Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  I'm walking straight line, I'm going green, you know? So I think the transition started then, but like, when you get out of jail, you, you feel like untouchable too. Once you beat something so big like that, you feel untouchable too. So you like, you like, your mindset is like on another planet. But the world is still stuck on like, the, the young thug that they know.

• 20:37Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  So you like, you trying to be goddamn a musical genius at the same time. You trying to like, take your son to school, be a man to your girlfriend, like, be a real man to your girlfriend. But you still gotta appease like, the culture. Because they still like, 10 years back, like, everybody 10 years back, compared to what I think.

• 20:59Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  To compare to the shit that's on my mind. I look at everybody in the world, everybody on the, in the industry, motherfucking sports, everybody. Nobody mindset is where mine is, but it's just like, I then I be feeling like I gotta dumb it down. To be appealing to everybody. It's crazy, brother.

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• 22:25Channing Crowder?

  You're a musical genius. I'll agree with you on that. So take that and get out the streets. That's the thing that I think dudes have problems with getting, bro. You don't have to run. You just said it. You said it earlier. The dudes that you used to hang with, they doing dumb shit. You can't hang with them no more. You're on a different level right now.

• 22:44Ryan Clark?

  Fact.

• 22:45Channing Crowder?

  And, but is it hard to move away from? It's like football, they say like, what's it called? Survivor's Remorse? Where you are special. And now you feel bad for the people that aren't special. Is that a feeling too to just to elevate yourself? And when you elevate? Elevate!

• 23:05Speaker 04

  That's always a feeling. When you... See, I grew up in a house with 15 people. So you are, you never looking out for yourself. You always thinking for yourself and you trying to think to make them bigger. I was trying to make everybody around this motherfucker big, you know? So you gonna always like... As I go up, you gotta understand, like, people not going up. So as you go up, they go down. Well, they just, even if they just stagnant, it just seem like they going down because you going up. So like... Obviously, that played the biggest part. You like, talk to your friends on the phone, your little homies in the hood, they're like, "Brock." Pull up on me, Brock, you know, they ain't on no bullshit, they don't want you on no bullshit, but they still wanna see you. They still wanna do something, and that's like, man, I can't bring y'all young niggas to the studio on that, 'cause I've been in the studio with these type of people, y'all niggas might try to rob, take it, watch.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  You might try to take the computer, steal some shit, like, I gotta leave y'all niggas in the hood, you know what I'm saying? But, and it ain't, it's purely their fault, it ain't me. It ain't my fault that some people that I love gotta stay in the hood, it's just like, y'all, y'all too street, I wouldn't say that I'm still in the street, I ain't in the streets at all. I think people just consider, I think people just think that we on street shit, 'cause we still live by street codes. And it's just like, nah, that's not correct, but you still like, I'm still a man, like, I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna get a goddamn billion dollars and be like, "Oh, I'm okay with this guy because he had a motherfucking rape charts." Now I'm a billionaire, now that's okay, nah, nah, nigga, we live by morals and principles, we live by what we live by. You know, I look at it like, my brother had a life sentence for somebody telling him.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  So I can't, I ain't can't deal with a nigga that tell, I can't deal with a rap. My brother had a life sentence because somebody told. And he had up, he had the right, and he had

• 24:47Speaker 04

  the first chance to tell, to get out of it, and he didn't, he just took it like a man, you know what I'm saying? I feel like them type of people raised me. So I think me just like advocating for like, real stand-up guys, I'm just from the trenches, so like, my morals and principles might be different than yours. You came up in the sports, like, y'all came up in the sport, like, it's different than how we came up. So you, you might, you might cherish like, playing on the same team your whole career, that's loyal. That's what you look at like loyal, look at as a lawyer. I look at never telling on your homies, loyal. I look at- Not goddamn switch a side, don't tell nobody. I mean, don't do nothing to hurt yo' mans, don't do nothing to hurt yo' homie. Like, bros before everything.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  You know, we just, I look at it different. I came up in a different, in a different time.

• 25:35Ryan Clark?

  I hear that, the street code part of it, right? The way you grew up, that sort of loyalty, the things that you learn from those experiences. But unlike what people try to make black men be, you had a father that was there.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:50Ryan Clark?

  Eleven kids. You said he took care of fifteen people before he took care of himself. How much did he influence who you are, even over some of the street stuff?

• 26:03Speaker 04

  He didn't influence me because I was just caught up in the street. So he influenced me on like being a good dad. He ain't influen- I never looked at my dad like I wanna be you. Because he was just like a real house dad, like he was in the house with us. He just like put us in the bed for school and shit. I wasn't into that type of shit. I was, I grew up in the hood, so I was into like dope niggas who sell weed, dope. Niggas who got fifteen women.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Niggas who just like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was just appealing to me, more than that. But I feel like I take more, the things that I do now, I take more of that from my dad, from what my dad is. So that's the reason why I respect that he was there. Because I still was able to just sit back a lot of times and just watch him. And the way I move now is the way he was moving. Like, as of, you know, when it, like, from the aspect of a family, being a family man. You know what I'm saying? I got kids that live with me. You know, I just like, I know how to be a dad, I know how to be a man. From him, as far as just like who I look up to. I looked up at niggas like Lil Wayne, like, this nigga twelve years old in the motherfucking supercar, with grown women right here in the video shoot, just like, fire. Like, boy, this is hard, you know?

• 27:15Speaker 04

  Like, just, that's how we came up, yeah.

• 27:17Ryan Clark?

  Can you even have so much fun anymore, though?

• 27:19Speaker 04

  So much fun?

• 27:20Ryan Clark?

  So much fun, yeah, like, so, my son. Huge fan of your music. Like, he would just post pictures, he just put so much fun. And, you know, at the time, I was the old dad, and I was like, sure, I gotta go listen, right? You don't seem like you can have that personality, that persona, that you can enjoy life in that way anymore, in listening to what you're saying. So how will that genius that you have, as it pertains to music, how will that be given to the world now, after all that you've been through?

• 27:56Speaker 04

  I think just like, barefaced. You can't just like, try to pretend and be a certain way. I think it's just gotta be authentic, it gotta just be bare. And I think that people gonna gravitate to it, and they gonna understand it, you know what I'm saying? Because they done seen this so much fun, me. But it was like, everybody. So I was just like, happy as a motherfucker. Like, I had my family, I had my girl, I had my kids, my friends, all my rap buddies. Like, it was just lit, like, we lit. Everybody was friends, now everybody in the rap community beefing with each other, just total, everything is just different, how the hell? I can't even have that type of fun no more, because like, a lot of the rap niggas that show friends, a lot of them beefing with each other. I'm on the phone most of the days, trying to make these niggas start beefing. You know what I'm saying?

• 28:38Speaker 04

  That shit that the world, I never know, but most of my time be trying to reunite niggas that aren't even supposed to be divided, like, it's crazy, but... I don't think it can be that fun like that no more, because I just don't got the people that, that, that made me comfortable. You know what I'm saying? I got friends, I got a lot of shit going on, for sure, that's just like, that's good for me, but... Like, I think the comfortability came from certain people. So you know you can't have a future with them people, you just like, I don't think I can get to that so much fun level no more.

• 29:09Channing Crowder?

  With the, with the Lil Wayne thing, right? So, I grew up on Wayne. I wake my daughter up to...

• 29:20Channing Crowder?

  The life, the life gang stuff, like, my, so, it's two generations of it. And for y'all, for y'all to beef, is that beef there? Is that real hate? Or is it something else with Wayne? Because I can't say it with you being from Atlanta. You sound just like the dope boys that I used to race for in the gas station parking lot. That's why I keep smiling when you talk. But for you and Wayne not to get along, that, that got to me when I found that out.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  I think it was just like, he ain't on the internet. So he was just like going off of what people would say to him or what fans would say. So he ain't, he ain't looking at the internet. He'll just be at one of his shows and his fans will be like, hey, fuck y'all thugs. That nigga just wanna be you. He's a bitch. You want a dress, you know, shit like that. And he was, he was feeding off of that type of shit. But me and him got a way better relationship now. We got an album and everything. Like, we just ain't sat down and just put, put this shit together and put, and released the album together. But goddamn, um.

• 30:15Channing Crowder?

  That's good, man.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:17Channing Crowder?

  But it's cool with you and Wayne.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, hell yeah. We been, that, that shit been settled. That shit was settled like 2017, 2018, 2019. We, we did an album like 2019. We just never put the songs out. We put, he put one of my, one song, me and him on his last album.

• 30:31Channing Crowder?

  Can I get it?

• 30:32Speaker 04

  I need it. It's out.

• 30:34Channing Crowder?

  No, I need all of it. I want the whole thing.

• 30:36Fred Taylor?

  You greedy, bro. You greedy.

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• 31:04Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I mean, like, you talking about sitting back and looking at everything like you're watching a movie, right? If I'm doing that, it would, it would seem that, um, you was the glue that held all this shit together. Going back the last three years, once they, once, once they, uh, once your situation happened, the whole industry just kinda shook up. You was the leader, bruh. Everybody look up to you as the leader of, of a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? What, what do you take accountability for? If anything?

• 31:40Speaker 04

  I take accountability for the jail calls that came out. I take accountability for...

• 31:46Speaker 04

  However, however my friends feel about me, I take accountability for the good things too, like stopping a lot of beef, stopping a lot of shit in the industry from happening. I take full accountability. I'm a man, man, I'm a gangster, bro. I ain't ducking no smoke. Like, we here. You know what I'm saying? That's why I did like the apology song. Like, that's, I don't, I don't understand. Because I seen a few things on the internet where people say like, oh, he ain't, he still didn't take accountability. I feel like the Big Bang interview was just total accountability. Like, like, I told you exactly what I did. I told you what I felt like I did wrong. I told everybody how I felt. You know what I'm saying? But like, far as like, what you were speaking on earlier, I'm for 100% the glue to a lot of this shit.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  And I feel like sometimes just standing in interviews won't be enough because you got some niggas that's just like still wearing a mask. So they, they won't, they won't vouch for it. They won't do certain things, you know what I'm saying? It's just like a mask. Some people gotta be that way. So I get it, but I definitely stopped a lot of shit from happening in this world. Like, I stopped a lot of rap beefs. I stopped a lot of things. I take accountability for that, for sure. I take accountability for the bad things I did, of course. Like, it's obvious, you know? I said sorry. If I can take it back 100%, I'll take it back.

• 33:04Fred Taylor?

  A lot of times, um, because you asked, you, you mentioned whether or not, you didn't know if you were depressed or not. And like, coming up in certain environments, you know, we, we, we, we put this mask on, right? And, uh, our environment tried to shape us to be tough. And had, you know, had that mask. You ever consider, um, you ever considered therapy though? Like, really sitting down with somebody? And not to say it doesn't make you less of who you are, because you're gonna be that at the end of the day, but just to, to hear from a different perspective.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  I ain't never really considered it. I always felt like I had OGs, like, I always.

• 33:48Fred Taylor?

  They tell you the same shit that you already know.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  I feel like a therapist gonna do the same thing. I feel like, possible. I feel like, we know better. We just gotta do better. You know what you don't supposed to do. Like, you don't need me or none of them or no therapist to tell you. Like, if you tell your therapist, "Man, I'm going back and forth with my wife, bro, I'm just trying to..." They gonna say, "Let her be heard, shut up sometimes, listen more to you talk." They gonna say the same shit. It's just like, man, that's another bill, man.

• 34:21Speaker 04

  It's more like, you'll understand it more, but I feel like, me personally, I feel like it's a weakness in that because I feel like, shit, I'm gonna listen to my girl. Like, I just listen to my girl. Or I listen to my little sister, my big sister, my big brother, my dad, my mom. My OGs. I listen to y'all, like. It's really a slap in the face to me. If I, you know what I'm saying? I just was telling my girl that, like, "I don't think you need a therapist. I don't think I need a therapist." I feel, I feel like, I feel like I'm not a man if my girl get a therapist. It's like, damn, you actually call somebody and listen to what they gotta say over me? Instead of just listening to what I'm telling you? I just feel less of a man.

• 35:05Ryan Clark?

  You know, in that, there's obviously things that happened through the calls being released that did affect your relationship with your girl, or did impact that. And sometimes, it's not that she can't come to you, but it is difficult for the person who is causing the hurt to fix the hurt. How were you two able to mend your relationship over some of the things that could have in a situation where she is showing the ultimate support? You guys have the ultimate love. It could have pulled you guys apart, but it seemed to bring you closer. How did you all continue the communication to keep you close during those times?

• 35:47Speaker 04

  The thing about it is, I think it didn't have a crazy...

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Ripple effect to us because we already knew. We already had knew. And then when I was in jail, some people had sent her some phone calls and stuff when I was in jail of me talking to other girls and all this, like that type shit. So we already knew everything that came on the internet. Everything that just happened these last two or three weeks, me and her, I already knew. We already talked about it. We already got cussed out about it. Broke up with, got better together, moved on. All this shit happened when I was in jail. And that was just another burden, like another fucking situation I was dealing with in jail, you know? So we was already passing. Obviously, it played a new part because it's like she was told all these things by me

• 36:36Speaker 04

  when I was in jail, but she ain't never heard it. So now you just, now it's another sadness, another sad moment. It's just like, damn, bro, you already cried about this shit. You already done got them cuss me out, chew me out about this. Like you already did, we already went through this whole emotion. Like, I'm not trying to relive this shit because the internet is hearing it. Like, we already know about it. We been knew about it. You chose to stay with me, so it's just like, we rocking. You know what I'm saying? But I had to just sit down and listen to her point of view. And she just was like, it's a different when me and you know and we moving. Like, nigga, I'm a motherfucking phenomenon too. Like, I'm, the world look at me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a, you know what I'm saying? She like, shit, I'm, I'm, I'm one of them too.

• 37:17Ryan Clark?

  I'm like that too.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  Nigga, I'm like that too. You gotta understand, I knew about it, but like, nigga, it's a different type of embarrassment to see like a nigga that you riding with, or you just holding down through this dark ass moment, just be on the phone with another bitch, no matter what it's about. Like, I just had to sit like, eh, you right.

• 37:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, that's, that's real talk and that's the conversation she has to have.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  But she already knew about it though.

• 37:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, but with you though, listen to you talk to Fred. You said, I take accountability for everything. And you actually said, if I could take it back, I would. What are some of the things that you've done or that happened that you wish you could take back?

• 37:57Speaker 04

  Those phone calls, obviously.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  Just, maybe just having kids with several different women. I would've wanted to just have all my same kids, but just with one woman. No, all it is in just one basket. Graduating, my friends that died, you know? All the situations that happened in the past. The fucking ripple effect that it had on all our lives and futures, you know what I'm saying? Man, really, like, niggas so fucked up, bro. Nigga, I been through so much, like, I really just wanna take my whole life back, just start over, like. We need to start this shit over. All this shit bad. The only good thing about this shit is you got money. And you can take care of your family, take care of goddamn your friends and who you love, like. That's the only good thing about this shit.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  Like, nigga goddamn come from some bullshit, bro, like. Everything else is just straight bullshit. Everything.

• 38:53Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you got six by four?

• 38:56Channing Crowder?

  Six kids by four women?

• 38:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:58Channing Crowder?

  You need to strap it up.

• 39:01Speaker 04

  Nah, but she is. You know, I been strapped up.

• 39:03Channing Crowder?

  No, you're not strapped up. If you have six kids by four women, you're not putting a rubber on, cuz we're all famous and people loved us as well. And there were women throwing themselves at us. And I put a rubber on.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 39:16Channing Crowder?

  And I waited, you didn't.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  How you have a baby with a rubber, Thug? I think one of-

• 39:22Channing Crowder?

  How you have a baby with a rubber?

• 39:23Speaker 04

  I think one of them, it was in the ear.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Nah, I'm just talking. But I do, I do wear rubbers because it's like, shit, my youngest kid about to be 12, bruh. I ain't had no babies in 12 years, though.

• 39:37Channing Crowder?

  Oh, so you figured it out on the-

• 39:39Speaker 04

  I ain't had no babies since the superstar.

• 39:40Channing Crowder?

  You figured it out on the backside?

• 39:41Speaker 04

  I figured it out, like, yeah. You know what? It's me.

• 39:44Channing Crowder?

  Hey, Thug, Thug couldn't afford the rubbers, man.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I couldn't afford no fucking-

• 39:49Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, listen, them Trojans, I wore the baby blues.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  All my baby mamas, I knew them for, for like five years or more before we even had kids. So we done, like, friends.

• 39:57Channing Crowder?

  Oh.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  We just shared so many moments, where we just like, alright, come on. Like.

• 40:01Channing Crowder?

  Let's get after it.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying?

• 40:03Channing Crowder?

  And what, and about that, bro, it's crazy.

• 40:05Ryan Clark?

  I knew you was gonna ask him that.

• 40:07Channing Crowder?

  What's that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't strapping up like that. But before, I didn't know your youngest is 12, so you were young thug.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Right, that's what I'm saying.

• 40:14Channing Crowder?

  Was reckless.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  I've been a superstar 12 years. I haven't had a kid.

• 40:17Channing Crowder?

  And now, now you understand that that, that, that, that baby daddy is worth a little more.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 40:24Channing Crowder?

  I was, I'm looking up, that's how I know you had six by four. Cause I looked you up knowing you coming in. And they was talking about your sexuality. And I'm like, bro, he's, he has six kids by four women. Like, he's a, he's a heterosexual. Is that 100%? Like, I just, I assumed it, that you're a heterosexual.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you know, I don't got no problem with J, Jeep. You know what I'm saying? With the community, I don't got no problem with the community, man.

• 40:50Channing Crowder?

  L, B, G, T, Q, and all the, yeah.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  I ain't got no problem with all them, with the alphabets at all.

• 40:55Channing Crowder?

  But you, you.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  I'm a straight woman. I don't want, man, listen. Ain't nothing going on, no man, man.

• 41:00Channing Crowder?

  Bro, when I heard them talking about, I'm like, no, thug. Man, you know, that's why I said, like, your mind be so far gone, you had to dumb it down. Like, I've been have, had like black painted nails, like rock star. I've been painting my nails, I've been wearing dresses, I've been just doing like the pop star, the, the, the 2050. I've been doing the 3000. I've been doing the far, far, far away. It's just like, you just, I just had to stop doing, I just had to dumb it down. Cause it's just like, the world ain't on it. The world ain't, didn't, couldn't catch on to it, like.

• 41:30Ryan Clark?

  You feel like you allowed, cause you seem to be very, very solid and also strong in what you believe. And what you think, and what you love, and what you enjoy. So you're saying that you actually changed some of those things, whether it was the dresses. By the way, that's one of my favorite albums, when you had the dress on front of it. So I don't care what the hell you had on, you was rapping your ass off.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:55Ryan Clark?

  But just in the sense of, do you feel you allowed the world to change things that were authentically you? In order to be more understood?

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, overly.

• 42:08Ryan Clark?

  Really?

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah. It's like, I just passed it down to like Uzi Vert, Cardi, Play One Cardi, I just passed it to them, like.

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• 42:30Fred Taylor?

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• 42:54Ryan Clark?

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• 42:59Fred Taylor?

  I ain't got no hair either, zero hair. What's the most misunderstood thing you think people, you know, view you as?

• 43:09Speaker 04

  Right now, I think the most misunderstood thing is just like a pillow talker. I don't pillow talk.

• 43:15Ryan Clark?

  That really hurt you.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  I was just having a moment in my life where I just was like, I reached back like...

• 43:20Ryan Clark?

  That really hurt you, dawg.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  I was on the phone, like talking about people, like, I just... No girl in my entire life, ever in life, could tell you that I ever pillow talked with them on the phone, ever in life. Except this girl when I was in jail, like. I swear, that shit just getting me every day, just like, damn, bruh, I really was on the phone like a pussy, bro, like.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  That jail shit had your ass, boy, I'm telling you.

• 43:46Fred Taylor?

  It's a thing, though.

• 43:47Ryan Clark?

  That really got you shook, though, bro.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Well, that shit had... You don't even... You just like, you don't give a fuck. You get to a point, and then ain't like everybody who in jail, it's just niggas that who in the situation that I was in. Like, you just thinking this shit over with, like, this shit over. I ain't, I don't give a fuck, I'm not tripping. Like, I think I was in that part, I'm telling you, because I had a lot of parts when I was just happy. I had parts when I was sad, I had a part when I was just fucking partial. I just had so many different moments from three years, like, I think around that time. Because it was like, maybe like, a two-month fucking window. When those phone calls was happening, it was like a two-month window. And I think I was, it was just that moment where I just was like...

• 44:35Speaker 04

  We just making conversation. I can't talk about street shit. I can't talk about what's going on in the street. I can't talk about what's going on in the case. Like, I don't know what's going on in the world, so I'm just on the phone with my girl. And we just talking about, what can I talk about? I'm a rapper. We talking about rapper. We talking about society. We talking about ball players. We just talking about shit, just, just like, what, what the fuck else can I talk about? I'm on a jail wall phone.

• 44:55Fred Taylor?

  Do you think somebody tried by design, brother, to, to just you up completely? Because really, looking at it, like I said, I said you was the glue. And a whole lot of shit got shook up. And then now there's, there's, there's the jail shit happened. Do you think, like, somebody was really just after you, though? Because it seemed like somebody really, like, just said, I'm gonna target this man.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm so happy that it happened, though, because I think that's the, that's the same thing in the Bible where God, like, send the devil. You know, and it's just like, I'm happy this happened. So like, all my rap friends who just turned their back, who just turned to some hoes, like, I'm so happy this happened because I would have never knew you was up. I would have never knew you felt a certain type of way, like. And you can say what you want to say about me. I don't care. I ain't tripping, but it's just like, like, me and you know. We done had them long, dark talks, nigga, while I done tried to save your career. We done had them talks while I tried to save your relationship, your marriage, and I done did shit for you in these streets. Like, nigga, I done did too much shit. We got too much history. Like, you know me. So, and besides all that, nigga, I told you to your face, every one of y'all niggas.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  Every nigga I had a phone conversation with, on that phone in jail, I done told every one of them. Now, one of them can never in their life say, me and him didn't talk about that. Me and him didn't, he hasn't said those words to me. I said, though, every exact word to every one of them niggas, everybody. You know what I'm saying? So.

• 46:16Ryan Clark?

  So why does it bother you so much, then?

• 46:18Speaker 04

  I think it bothered me just, just because it's like, even though I done had the conversations with my bros with, with the shit like that. It's just, it's just like, it just seemed to me looking in, just not as, as though, me just being a regular civilian. I just look at it like, corny, like, damn, bro, it's just lame. It's just lame. I done had them conversations with them too, but it's just like, nigga, bro, you still on the phone with a bitch just talking, like. You know what I'm saying? You just talking about shit. But it's just like, I just want people to know, like, it's just random. Like, we just having random conversations. Some conversations, I felt a certain type of way. Like, I was talking about certain shit, what was going on with Lil Baby. But it was just like, shit, I love this nigga to death. This is my lil brother, bro. Like, I love lil bro. So, of course, I'ma feel a certain type of way if I don't feel like he getting the proper treatment he supposed to get. Cause he a real nigga.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  He solid, for sure. Real, real deal. Like, most real nigga. Him, like Savage, like them, them type people, like Drake, they like the realest people I ever met.

• 47:13Ryan Clark?

  So, on that, who are the people during this that you left jail and you said, okay, those people are down for me? Like, who are the individuals that we know that you could say they showed themselves to you as a true loyal friend during that time?

• 47:32Speaker 04

  During the jail time or just like from jail up to now?

• 47:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 47:37Speaker 04

  Savage, Lil Baby, Drake. Jail phones, all that shit came out. Drake text me, "Bruh, nigga, I love you. Fuck 'em. Drop that music, bro. Let your music talk." Ooh, ooh, you know, I just got a few phone calls from a few people. It's a few people that didn't call. So, I'm damn near happy that this shit happened because it just like showed their color. And then I, cause I just had like new plans with all those people included too. So, it's like the people that didn't, that let that type of shit change how they feel or change how they move is just like good. Like, I'm just happy, like, thank God. Man, I think I'm just at the point where I'm just like, I'm over the just being sad or being like, I'm trying to just, that's why I wanted to do this interview with y'all.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  I just wanted to like, I be watching a lot of y'all interviews. Y'all are like, y'all good men, but y'all like healers too, though. Y'all know how to just like talk and just like, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm still a young nigga, so I don't even know, I don't even know what the fuck depressed is in real life, like, cause I just wasn't, I just wasn't brought up like that. I was just brought up by gangsters. I wasn't brought up to be just so in touch with my feelings. I ain't never been in touch with them. But this, this last situation, I definitely did, I definitely been in touch with my feelings more than I ever did, I ever have, though, for sure.

• 48:52Ryan Clark?

  But, but you trying to do, but Thug, you trying to do the same thing, though. Like, you, you're saying, like, you're here because... You know, you've seen us sit with people and we've talked about healing and we've talked about therapy. But you say, you know, you're gonna talk to your family, you're gonna talk to your girl. That's all the people you talk to even though you're in this same place. So you gotta do something different.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  I know, but the different thing was I never talked to nobody about my feelings. So I never received certain conversations. Now I'm getting more in touch with my feelings. I don't need to go to a therapist. I'll just talk to my people that I know, that I never talked to about this shit. Like I never got insight from y'all on how to heal or how to start your healing process. I never talked to my girl about how to start the healing process. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I can't count y'all out. Because we ain't never talked about none of that for me to know that y'all can't help me.

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• 50:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, and bro, I would tell you, like that, that, the street stuff is cool. Like the code you talking about is cool, but, bro, you gotta, you gotta mature past it. Where like, that's why I was even getting into earlier, where like mature past that where, nah, I ain't gonna do this, I ain't gonna do that. I'm with you. The snitching and all that, you know what I'm saying? Like there's street code, but there's also, your folks is looking at you as that king. And whatever you do, they gonna do. And so like, like I said, I used to, I used to race with the dope boys on Columbia Drive. Right now Columbia Drive, they used to call me Little Red and I'd race in the parking lot.

• 50:53Channing Crowder?

  And like, I understand that side, but as I grew up and as I matured and as I got bred and as I went to college and, and you know what I'm saying? Like you start maturing and now I have to come back and be like, bro, that's, you know, you can't do that stuff no more. Like that's the point where I think like, you have to understand is that you don't have to be.

• 51:16Channing Crowder?

  2012 thug no more. You could be 2025 thug. You don't gotta be 2015 thug. You gotta be 2025 thug. Like, that's the maturity that I've talked to a bunch of my friends about. Even dude, my man, my dude from Atlanta, Eazy, a bunch of dudes, Eazy gonna laugh when I say his name. I've had the same conversation with him. Cause he was a dude from Atlanta. We grew up together. He went to Florida, I went to Florida. And at one point, I had to tell him like, bro, you have to, like, we 40 now, bro. You can't be 20, 22-year-old anymore. You gotta be 40. Do you, are, do you think you're, you're progressing with that thought process? Because I think you need to for your whole team and everybody to do that.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. Everything, everything I do is so much better than, than, than what I used to do. I think it's a hard transition, but it was easier for me because I went to jail. So I had a reason. You know what I'm saying? As opposed to just like y'all, just living life happy as fuck, rich. And just doing what you wanna do to just being like, you know what? I gotta stop it. You know? I went to jail, so it was like, shh, it stopped anyway. It's gonna stop. Now you start thinking more. Now you reading the Bible. Now you praying five times a day. Now you doing more. I'm not, I'm not. I don't feel like I'm in the streets. I think I just glorify codes. It ain't even real street codes. It ain't even got nothing to do with the streets. Like, I don't give a fuck if you a white boy, you don't supposed to rap. You don't supposed to tell. No matter what happens.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  You don't supposed to tell. Yeah, you just supposed to be loyal to life. Like, like, that's a man, as a man. You know? You don't supposed to do certain things. Like, we not fucking kids. We not, we not telling. You know? We not. Not homing women. Not joining the.

• 53:00Channing Crowder?

  We not beating no women. We not messing with no kids.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, bro, we the same thing. For us. People just be saying, oh, these niggas living off a street code. Or y'all trying to uphold the street. That's just a code of life, bro. I agree. Y'all just saying it because we street niggas. Like, I ain't put, I ain't said, I ain't stood on no code that ain't just like a manly code. Godly code. You don't supposed to be a pussy, bro. I feel like telling is pussy. You don't supposed to be a pussy. You supposed to be a man. You know, that don't got nothing to do with the street. That's just. I think we just street guys, so they just look at it like, "Oh, you still on the street, nigga?" And they just be like, "No snitching, no this, no that." Like, they just like, "Oh, they still living on the streets, shit, they still..." I'm so beyond it, you know how I fuckin' live.

• 53:41Channing Crowder?

  There's morality, morality to you.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  That's all I'm saying.

• 53:43Ryan Clark?

  With you, though, man, like, you know, you let Cardi have "Last Week," which, you know what I mean? I thought it was just really cool for her to mention you by name, though. Like, it's her moment. Obviously, people have been waiting damn seven years to get a new album. But I thought it said a lot about how people in the industry see you, and how they see your loyalty, and the way you move as a man. You know, with that, you know, she had "Last Week," you'll have "This Friday." For you, what does it mean to get that mention? And what is your feeling in now dropping your own project as well?

• 54:20Speaker 04

  It's so great, man. I just got out of jail. I beat the biggest case in Georgia history. I got out of jail. I got some money soon as I got out.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  Got some houses, man, just so good. The moment is just so good. This is my last album with my label. We gonna re-up, hopefully, but like, it's just, everything is just so perfect. I feel like it's just time. I should've binged out the album, but I just wanted to, like, catch up with my family. Like, I got a kid that live with me now, bro. Like, I'm on some real dad shit, bro.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying? Like, I got a kid that live in the house with me, bro. And another one trying to move now. Like, I'm just... I'm just aligned.

• 55:03Ryan Clark?

  What's Doug like in carpool?

• 55:06Channing Crowder?

  Honestly, he ain't cooking breakfast. He ain't making no Eggos and sausage.

• 55:10Speaker 04

  Nah, he older than I am. I feel like, if I had, like, six, seven-year-old, ten-year-old kids and shit like that, living in the house with me, for sure we cooking. My girl cook every day, though, anyway, though. So, I wouldn't, that ain't even my job, anyway. My job, bring the bacon home.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  They cook the bacon.

• 55:26Channing Crowder?

  Bringing the bacon home.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  You want me to bring the bacon home and cook? God damn not a single father.

• 55:32Channing Crowder?

  I got a question about that. What the hell is a little bitty shrimp hip?

• 55:38Speaker 04

  What you talking about?

• 55:39Channing Crowder?

  Yo damn, the little bitty, the little bitty shrimp hip.

• 55:43Speaker 04

  No, shrimp dips.

• 55:45Channing Crowder?

  Shrimp what?

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Dips.

• 55:46Channing Crowder?

  What is a shrimp dip? Cause shrimp don't have no hips, and I love that song, bro.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  You never.

• 55:51Channing Crowder?

  Love your verse, but shrimp don't have the hips.

• 55:54Speaker 04

  Dip, shrimp dips.

• 55:56Channing Crowder?

  Little bitty shrimp dip.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, like.

• 55:58Channing Crowder?

  A tiny little dip.

• 56:00Speaker 04

  Like a shrimp that you dip. Like a small shrimp.

• 56:03Channing Crowder?

  That's what it was.

• 56:04Ryan Clark?

  Then you get a sauce.

• 56:05Channing Crowder?

  Man, for years now, I've been like, shrimps don't have hips.

• 56:08Speaker 04

  I'm going fishing with these little bitty shrimp dips.

• 56:12Channing Crowder?

  A little bitty shrimp.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  I'm just saying like, niggas are shrimps, like, I'm going fishing with these little shrimps.

• 56:16Channing Crowder?

  Oh, so you, okay, so that's, oh, I got you, yeah, I had to ask, my bad. Whatever you got, Ryan, I ain't know, I ain't know the shrimp had hips.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  He thought I said shrimp hips?

• 56:26Channing Crowder?

  I thought shrimp hips, I said, they got no legs, how they got hips?

• 56:30Ryan Clark?

  Hey, the man sat down and he goes, I know you asked some random questions. And you pulled out the most random.

• 56:38Speaker 04

  He, you very sexual. You talking about kissing.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  The size container lid. Shit.

• 56:47Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got, I got a big urethra, small bladder.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Sexuality.

• 56:52Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  Hips.

• 56:58Channing Crowder?

  I got three, I got three kids.

• 56:59Ryan Clark?

  Baby making.

• 57:00Fred Taylor?

  Hey, nah, he invited Kevin Hart to a nudist colony in Jamaica.

• 57:06Fred Taylor?

  So, he always been real proud of him.

• 57:08Channing Crowder?

  I'm heterosexual, heterosexual with, with capital letters.

• 57:15Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you gotta ignore him sometimes, yeah. But nah, we.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  Did Kevin Hart say yeah?

• 57:20Ryan Clark?

  No, hell no.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Kevin probably like, fuck, no, nigga.

• 57:23Ryan Clark?

  He said, do you hear yourself? And he said, hey, and then, thug, and excuse my language, you know what his actual question was? So you be fucking these people? That's what he asked.

• 57:34Channing Crowder?

  No, no, I just like to look at them.

• 57:35Ryan Clark?

  That's what he asked you.

• 57:36Channing Crowder?

  I like to look at the dibs and devils, I like the window shop.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  The women, right?

• 57:40Channing Crowder?

  I like the window shop, the women, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tootsies, you been to Tootsies?

• 57:45Speaker 04

  I ain't been nowhere.

• 57:46Channing Crowder?

  You ain't been to Tootsies?

• 57:48Ryan Clark?

  Ryan, ask this man this question, please.

• 57:49Fred Taylor?

  I'm trying to, but I've been trying for a minute. We ask all our guests, man, uh, what's their biggest pivot in life? Like, that's that one moment you can look back on and say, because this happened to me or for me, it's the reason why I am who I am today.

• 58:04Channing Crowder?

  Mine, it's a few of them.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  I think the biggest one was Kanye West and Kim Kardashian playing my song on the internet. And he flew me out to like pay me to write songs and shit for him. I stayed in his house for about a week or two.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  I think that was, that was my pivot. That was like, like that moment, like after that, I've been a millionaire since then. I think it was just like the energy Kanye West, he just had that fucking energy with just like a light. It was just there and he was just so fucking just like hands on and then, and just like Quincy Jones-ish. Like he was there. He make you feel way bigger than you are. Pause. He make you feel, he make you feel huge, man. Kanye West, he the one.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  That was, I got a few of them, bro. I've been in this, this game a long time. I had a lot of stepping, I had a lot of steps from my last step. I got bigger. My entire career, I got bigger, so I just got so many pivots. But my, the one that changed my life, I think, is Kanye West playing my song. Well, maybe Sizzle, the guy on 808 Mafia make the beats. He leaked the song.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  I think that's probably was the big, the most pivotal moment, cause that song blew me up.

• 59:25Ryan Clark?

  You know, we've talked a lot about healing, moving forward, all of those things. But obviously your past is going to be a huge part of any conversation. Let's move beyond that. When you walk out of this door, who is Young Thug? What will we see? What will we hear? What will people be saying? Or what do you want people to be saying about you?

• 59:52Speaker 04

  You got a wife?

• 59:53Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  She write your questions?

• 59:56Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 59:59Ryan Clark?

  Nobody writes my questions.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  It's a good question. It's a good question. I be getting them type questions, my girl be asking them type questions like, and I always be like, what? Like just start a network, just start your network, baby. But walking out this room, man.

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  I don't know, I think I just try to be better every day. Try to be a better me.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  And just understand that this ain't the end. This is ending a chapter. This is chapters, chapters, chapters, bro, like. I'm thirty-four, this is the thirty-fourth chapter. You know? I know y'all niggas probably goddamn seventy-four. Just him? Which is okay. Just him?

• 1:00:45Channing Crowder?

  It's all good.

• 1:00:47Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, you both them niggas pointing at you.

• 1:00:50Fred Taylor?

  Who look the oldest? Look, who look the oldest?

• 1:00:53Speaker 04

  That's what you hit him with.

• 1:00:54Fred Taylor?

  Who feel the youngest? Yeah, nah, I'm forty-nine, this boy forty-five, and this stupid motherfucker, he like forty-three. How old you ten, forty-three?

• 1:01:02Channing Crowder?

  I'm forty!

• 1:01:03Fred Taylor?

  Nah, you were forty-three years ago.

• 1:01:05Channing Crowder?

  I'm forty, I'll be forty forever. I look forty.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, he old as shit. But yeah, I think me stepping out of here, bro, just being a better man, man. Three new friends, OGs, man, all y'all boy got that goddamn salt and pepper. So I be all right calling you. You know, all y'all come from money, all us come from money, so y'all gonna be able to see it from my point of view. Or, you know, some people, you know, that's another big thing about just like the situation. Nobody ain't in our shoes. Nobody ain't in certain shoes. So they when, they just look at it like, you know, we got money, we got fame, and we like hot. So like, most of the time, all eyes are on us.

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  So you gotta, you still gotta maneuver and just like be. Like, not many times I wanted to just cry in the courtroom, but it's just like, fuck, I know the camera. You know, it's just like those type of shit, just like. And that's just speaking of what we was talking about earlier, like not being able to express your feelings, like. Imagine just like not even being able to express them because you just always...

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  Gotta seem happy to everybody. You always on camera, you always just like.

• 1:02:20Ryan Clark?

  But you know it would've been okay to cry though, bro. And I'm not saying that you should've cried in court. Because obviously, I can't put myself in that position to know what it feels like to have all those cameras on you, to be on trial, and what that would in some way insinuate you've done or you're feeling at that moment. But like, bro, I cry. I know, shoot, we cry on the show. Like, there is so much in this life, bro. You mentioned about being, having money. Now, none of us started with money. You ain't start with money, right? Like, there's trauma and there are experiences and there's adversity that you go through to get money. And then when you get it, it's still just as hard.

• 1:03:03Ryan Clark?

  It's just different because you could pay for stuff. Like, what you went through, bro, that is real life. And I'm gonna be lying to you if I said I wanna know what it feels like to do it. You know what I mean? And in telling people what you went through, you're gonna allow other people to heal. That's gonna be therapeutic for you. That's a way that you can give back. You talking about the honesty you wanna do music with? Do music with that honesty, right? Do music with the honesty that, yeah, you grew up in the streets, but growing up that way had you in legitimately, bro, the worst position you've ever been in life. And you got closer to God. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:03:46Ryan Clark?

  Like, tell people that now going forward, that relationship you built with God, you'll keep and you won't let yourself have to go back to where you were in order to keep it. You know what I mean? Like, now, whether you like it or not, like, you an inspiration. Unfortunately, like, for our people, bro, when we say, man, I beat the biggest court case in Georgia. Remember all the people you said you looked up to, growing up with? Think about if you had a you. What would, like, young Jeffrey be thinking about, thug that beat the biggest case in Georgia? How much could he impart wisdom to you? Like, that's who you are now. Like, so what you gonna do with that? That's your decision to make.

• 1:04:29Fred Taylor?

  Hey, thug, real quick, bro. If you had to ask yourself, do you wanna be in your shoes?

• 1:04:39Fred Taylor?

  What would the answer be? Like if you had to really step back and ask yourself, because before you went in, the answer would be easy because you was here. Like right now, because really, you free but you not free. They still got, you know what I'm saying? From me to you, bro, I just want you to find peace, whatever that look like at the end of the day. Because a lot of times when that curtain closes, and a lot of the people that was there ain't there, and that shit kind of falling back, when you by yourself, to answer your question about depression, you carrying a big ass weight. Like perception, trying to keep a public image, because you done been that superstar. Like that shit can get heavy, and that can lead to depression.

• 1:05:24Fred Taylor?

  You know, being, feeling empty, not feeling happy, that's all depression. Like that's the way to kind of sum it up. But when you by yourself, dawg, just do that self-check. Like, am I happy away from all this shit? And I ain't trying to tell you to like be vulnerable or nothing, that's on you. Like you gonna feel that when you feel it, aside from, you know, everything else. I just want you to find peace, dawg. I don't give a f**k about nothing else. Like the media, the internet, all that shit fugazi at the end of the day. It's about a human life and how you really feel and what you gonna do for them kids when they come up. That's what it's really about at the end of the day.

• 1:06:07Ryan Clark?

  Does the music bring you peace? Because, I mean, you got so much-

• 1:06:11Fred Taylor?

  It did, but shit. I feel like lately I've been more in touch with my feelings, so now it don't bring me peace. Like I make, I make, I make songs that are just like, you know?

• 1:06:22Ryan Clark?

  So what is this, what is this album about? What, what will we get in listening to your music? Because, like you said, like it was, was fun. And it was party music, and it did bring people together. What can we expect? Because music is a feeling, you know that, right? Like when you get in the studio and they play the beat for you, you feel it before you ever say a word. So for you, what will you give us that we will feel when we hear the new album?

• 1:06:56Fred Taylor?

  Definitely vulnerability. I'm be vulnerable.

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  Shit talking. Because I just feel like, you know, I just feel like I did a lot in this industry. And like, I still never reached my peak, yet. I feel like I did a lot in this industry. I feel like, a lot of people don't, don't specify that. Some people have though, but, I feel, I don't know, I just feel like targeted. I just feel like, not respected. For a mistake.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  After, after everything I done did in this motherfucking culture, I feel like, on this album, just talking shit. And just like, being vulnerable. That's what this album is, is filled of. Shit talking. So it might come off as like, fun, but it's still, it's shit talking for sure, like, for sure.

• 1:07:49Ryan Clark?

  Sometimes you gotta set the record straight though.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  Sometimes you got to. Cause we, we never let a hard time humble us.

• 1:07:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  No matter what.

• 1:07:57Channing Crowder?

  You got some love making music on there?

• 1:07:59Speaker 04

  Uh-uh. I'm gonna put another album out. I'm gonna put another album. That nigga freak your head.

• 1:08:03Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I can, man, I can't even.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  How many kids you got?

• 1:08:06Channing Crowder?

  He ain't working there. He ain't working there.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  How many kids you got?

• 1:08:08Channing Crowder?

  I can't just stroke into that.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  How many kids you got?

• 1:08:10Channing Crowder?

  Three.

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  You sure, man?

• 1:08:12Channing Crowder?

  I don't know for sure, but if, I think at this point, if I'd had more, somebody would've said something, because they would want that check. By now.

• 1:08:21Ryan Clark?

  Doug, like, we deal with this dude every day, man. Honestly, bro, like, you know, I know you sat down with Big for, for hours. We could do the same thing. I think what, you know, I told you when we were talking downstairs too, man, like, the way you have opened up, I've never seen someone in your position do. Someone with, with that background, who's been through what you have, man, and shoot. For me, you know, I hope you do reach out to us. I hope we can stay in touch with you. But I would love to do this again next year, at this time, so people can have a conversation, or hear a conversation with how you've grown and who the man is a year from now, as compared to who he is today. Man, I'm very grateful for your time, fam.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  Man, thank you.

• 1:09:06Ryan Clark?

  I really appreciate you, bro.

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  Nah, that's dope.

• 1:09:08Channing Crowder?

  Man, come to Miami, bro.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  That man don't wanna come to Miami with you?

• 1:09:12Channing Crowder?

  Come to Miami, man. We gonna have a good time, man. I'll take you out.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  I live in Miami, man.

• 1:09:18Ryan Clark?

  Doug, don't hang out.

• 1:09:18Channing Crowder?

  Where you stay? I been dating.

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  That is, that is. Where you stay? That nigga freak your head.

• 1:09:24Channing Crowder?

  He asked you where you live, dawg.

• 1:09:25Ryan Clark?

  What do you see?

• 1:09:27Channing Crowder?

  Nasty, bruh. I'm in the shores. In the shores, right there. I got my studio, my radio studios on 2nd and 79th, right there. I'm right by you. I had to get you in my head, y'all.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  Hold up. Limited, niggas stomach kinda pinning it. I fought the head to witness it. Got my people feeling militant. Way I'm feeling got me up. On the mission got me up. Knowing me, I got the key. On the vision I can trust. Trust. Limited, niggas stomach kinda pinning it. I fought the head to witness it. Got my people feeling militant. Way I'm feeling got me up. On the mission got me up.

• 1:10:03Speaker 06

  Before this...

• 1:10:08Speaker 06

  There's this.

• 1:10:11Speaker 06

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