The Snack: Baby Names, White Lotus, and Men Ain't Sh*t

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: Dire Wolves are back from extinction Kaitlyn Bristowe and Jason Tartick's baby name beef Gabby Windey vs. Clayton Echard Our White Lotus finale breakdown Mike White vs. Cristobal Tapia de Veer Thai food delivery gate Headlines: Viral TikToker gets fired, Cory Booker's speech, SNL throwing shade Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit https://girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Bilt: Get points by paying rent at https://joinbilt.com/GGE. Olive Ave: Get 15% off your first order at https://oliveavejewelry.com with code GGE. FX's Dying for Sex: All episodes now streaming on Hulu. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Welcome to the snack, a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat.

• 0:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Enjoy.

• 0:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi guys.

• 0:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hello guys.

• 0:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Hello guys.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hola.

• 0:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I need to, you were just in Mexico and you know my favorite thing about Mexico is you're just like, hola.

• 0:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and they say hi back to you.

• 0:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Gracias.

• 0:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh no, they do?

• 0:22Rayna Greenberg?

  When I say it, yeah, yeah, I actually, that was the least I've spoken.

• 0:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's an insult.

• 0:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I'm not good at it. That was the least I've spoken on a trip, probably. Emily, with Emily and Melanie. Emily's fluent in Spanish and Melanie is like, pretty good.

• 0:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, I went to Mexico City. I was there with a fully fluent person and someone else who was like, pretty good. But I still feel like you walk in a place, hola, and they say, hola.

• 0:44Rayna Greenberg?

  People usually just say hi back to me.

• 0:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a weird start, but we'll talk about Raina's Mexico trip on Monday.

• 0:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, do you know what really, people always ask like, how Girls Gotta Eat has changed my life and like, whatever, who cares? But like, I've been talking about it for years. But like, this snack, the other day, somebody was like, I was talking about something and they're like, you're so well informed on so many topics. And I was like, that's because of the snack. Like, do you feel that it's made you a better person?

• 1:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, well, I guess I do. I'm more informed. We have to kind of like, study up. But I've always been a person who is informed in pop culture. That's why we wanted to start the snack in the first place. And that week I was off Instagram. I felt like I had nothing to talk about.

• 1:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Nothing. Oh, I was talking about my brother this morning who doesn't have Instagram and I tried to explain to him like, four different things.

• 1:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  TikTok too, obviously. But like, no, I'm, I was like, I'm not funny. I have nothing, I have no content.

• 1:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Nothing to contribute.

• 1:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I was trying to explain to my brother this morning, Scott Galloway clips and get me to God's country. And he was like, they just didn't understand. He doesn't, no memes?

• 1:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 1:48Rayna Greenberg?

  No clips, no memes.

• 1:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  How do you, no, I mean, my brother, he's on it. And my fiance, I'm just gonna say this with my full chest, he knows everything before we do.

• 1:57Rayna Greenberg?

  He is hyper on the internet. He liked something last night that I... It went up within three seconds and then I liked it. And I was like, oh, I got in there too quick. And then I saw that he had liked it before me.

• 2:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you're in there at the same time as him, you're too soon. He is so quick. And he like, all of our friends, like, he's so supportive. He likes everything.

• 2:17Rayna Greenberg?

  He's a hype man for everybody.

• 2:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  But he's not perpetually on his phone. I don't really, I do not understand it. I guess he's just not working.

• 2:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean.

• 2:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't understand it. He knows everything first and like, I'm like, I'm supposed to be the expert here. And then we'll put something on the outline. I'm like, he was talking about it yesterday.

• 2:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, between, Tessa sends us a lot of articles too. I just, I feel like I'm like, hyper informed about everything now. It's me about a person.

• 2:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it's, I don't know, can a couple work if they're the opposite?

• 2:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I like, was very into this guy for a long time. Obviously.

• 2:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you say married? Very into?

• 2:57Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I said his name to you.

• 2:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  What'd you say? You were very into him?

• 3:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know how to explain it. We worked together. I was in love with this person for three years. You decided to not date me. I don't know.

• 3:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Could you explain it more? Could you cry a little?

• 3:14Rayna Greenberg?

  You remember the entire fall?

• 3:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, sorry, I didn't mean for talking about.

• 3:19Rayna Greenberg?

  That was the reason I couldn't get out of bed in December of him.

• 3:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought you said I was married to this guy for a little bit. I'm like, in your mind?

• 3:28Rayna Greenberg?

  In reality?

• 3:32Rayna Greenberg?

  We used to spend like, hours on the phone talking, but like, I would send him like, a celebrity thing and he would have just like, it's, that was not his side of the internet. Like, no pop culture. And he was somebody who had like, a lot of interests and hobbies and we just had a lot in common outside of that. Actually, we have nothing in common. I don't know what going on. We actually have nothing in common. He just was really hot, you guys. But anyways.

• 3:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, you had a nice relationship.

• 3:53Rayna Greenberg?

  We did. So, but he, no pop culture, no celeb anything. And I was just like, it was like a bummer to me. Cause I would be like, so excited to talk about stuff. And it would be hard for me to date somebody who just like, wasn't involved in that side of the internet.

• 4:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. And this may not come up today, but what my fiance is so hot on right now is these dire wolves. And he broke the news to me yesterday morning and now my whole feed is dire wolves. And now I'm sending him memes, Jurassic World has responded, basically scientists are bringing back this wolf and I guess there's a Game of Thrones meme. Rena, we were eating dinner last night. So he talked about dire wolves all day yesterday. We were eating dinner last night at the counter. You know, but high bar counter. I don't love it. I wish it was counter height, but it's bar height. He goes, he goes, the dire wolf would be as high as this guy.

• 4:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that's what men think about. You know, it's like, babe, what do you think? He's eating dinner, like so deep in thought. I'm like, babe, what are you thinking about? He's like, how the dire wolf would be as high as this counter.

• 5:00Rayna Greenberg?

  What's that thing that like, you ask me what they're thinking about and they're like, if a life-sized praying mantis could eat a dinosaur, like that's what they're thinking about.

• 5:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like he's looking at the counter. I'm like, is he okay?

• 5:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Is he thinking about our wedding?

• 5:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is he thinking about our relationship?

• 5:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Or save the dates?

• 5:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, deep convo or something. He's like, no, this counter, that's about the height they would be. Okay.

• 5:29Rayna Greenberg?

  You can't tell men that you can't. The biggest fight I ever got into with a partner was he was talking about this, how men are like, are on this like one train of thought. And I was like, men are so stupid. And we got into the biggest fight. I walked down the highway by myself in the middle of the night just to get away from him. I was so mad.

• 5:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Listen, now we're off topic, but you gotta be careful when you tell your male partner that you hate men and they're stupid. It's the wrong audience. I was doing this recently. I was like, can you believe these fucking men? They just ruined my day. I went up to the hotel gym. They were both two, these two men were on the Pelotons. They ruined everything. I was like, babe, they were like, they ruined everything. Like these men ruined my day. They were up there like sweating. He was like, um, I don't know what you want me to say. Like, he's like, I'm a man. And I get it. They inconvenience you. But I was like, wrong audience, wrong audience. I'll tell Rena.

• 6:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, you said you were like these dusty men, these fucking men. And yeah, for a second I was like, it just sounds like two people that wanted to work out, that beat you to the gym. But then out loud, like rationality took over and I was like, yeah, fuck those guys.

• 6:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't, just sweaty men. Get out of here.

• 6:33Rayna Greenberg?

  How dare you?

• 6:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Okay. Anyway.

• 6:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Men don't like it though. It is, to this day, the biggest fight I've ever gotten into with somebody. He was screaming at me, "You all, you think you're right because your audience just tells you you're right." And I was like, "Because I am right."

• 6:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Why'd you bring the audience into this, sir?

• 6:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, you want to bring hundreds of thousands of people into this, sir?

• 6:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Who's backing you up?

• 6:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sorry you don't have an audience.

• 6:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Ew.

• 6:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, guys.

• 6:57Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, well, speaking of audiences, you guys can check out Apex's Dying for Sex right now. All episodes are streaming on Hulu right now. And Bilt, get points by paying rent at joinbilt.com/gge.

• 7:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, and thank you to Olive Ave. Get 15% off your first order at oliveavejewelry.com with code GGE.

• 7:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 7:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we are going to kick it off with a former bachelorette report.

• 7:23Rayna Greenberg?

  So, this came across my desk. I got, I was watching Instagram reels. I see Kaitlyn Bristow come up. It's a clip from her podcast, Off the Vine, and she's going pretty scorched earth on Jason, her former partner. And we do want to say, we've had them both on the show, love them both.

• 7:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, we really don't have anything bad to say.

• 7:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 7:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  About either of them. We know the internet is divided on them. We have had nothing but positive experiences with both Kaitlyn and Jason, and they have great episodes you guys can listen to.

• 7:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally. Yes, that being said, all, all love to both of them.

• 7:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  That being said, all bets are off.

• 7:55Rayna Greenberg?

  She was going scorched earth on him, on this. And she, she'll get a little messy here and there and talk about previous relationships. And she did eventually talk about why they had broken up. But she was going like really scorched earth, like gloves were off.

• 8:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she usually keeps it in, I don't know, in a more diplomatic tone when she speaks about him. She's honest about everything in her life.

• 8:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, and when she talked about breaking up with him and him starting the podcast and how upset it made her, I did think that she like said both sides of the coin, which is like, you know, I guess he deserves to go make money, but it upset me and asked him not to. But now she was just like, "I paid for everything. He started that podcast to piss me off." So, basically, I keep watching this clip and she says that she had, that Jason had recently gotten a dog and named it Teddy, which she had previously communicated to him that that is her dream baby name. And she said in the clip, I had sent him a text message when we first met that this was my dream baby name. And I was a little unclear, had this ever come up again?

• 8:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so we always talk about relationships. I think we try our best to talk about them in a way that we would want people to talk about us. And like there's two sides of every story. Actually, there's three. There's one person's side, the other person's side, and the actual full-blown truth. Because people, you know, experience and interpret situations differently. But so we don't know the whole story. Like, I'm assuming four years of being together and talking about having children together, the baby name came up a lot. I mean, she's saying, I have a receipt of texting him the day that we met. A little weird, but I'm sure it was in the conversation. I'm sure she wasn't like, hey, I want to have kids with you and I want to name my kid Teddy. You know, I'm sure.

• 9:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 9:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't, I don't know, but I don't know. Like, I don't want kids. And I think every person I've ever been in a relationship with knows what my baby name would be. So how much did it come up? If it came up a lot and they talked about having a child named Teddy together, and then he named the dog Teddy, I think it's pretty diabolical.

• 9:53Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so, if that is the case.

• 9:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that might not be the case.

• 9:56Rayna Greenberg?

  That might be.

• 9:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  If she said it once in a text, a man cannot remember that.

• 10:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Remember a couple of minutes ago, we said men are stupid?

• 10:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly.

• 10:03Rayna Greenberg?

  They're stupid.

• 10:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 10:06Rayna Greenberg?

  But if that is really the case, they talked about having children together and she has communicated the name, which I would assume is the case. To name the do- why? I just, I really do want to know, what was the point of this?

• 10:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and again, like, is this him being petty on purpose because of something that went down between them? I don't mind it. You know, get messy, get petty with your ex. Like, that's human nature. But what I would hate is if he's, would gaslight her and the public over it. And that's, that would make me crazy. You know, like, I don't know, if it actually was like purposeful, I'd rather him be like, yeah, fuck her. You know what I mean? Like, just be honest about what you're doing. This would piss me off. I had an ex get the kind of dog I wanted.

• 10:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought it was weird.

• 10:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  We all thought it was a little weird. It was a specific type of dog I was obsessed with. He didn't care about that type of dog before we were together. And then it kind of became his whole personality and that's, that's okay. What he named it was even a little, little Ashley coded, but that's, it's fine. Like it's not the most rare dog. It's not a dire wolf.

• 11:15Rayna Greenberg?

  It wasn't a gold retriever.

• 11:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  It wasn't a gold retriever.

• 11:17Rayna Greenberg?

  It wasn't the most common dog.

• 11:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And it's, it's, you know, but it's like, it was more funny than everything. This would piss me off.

• 11:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I wonder also if men don't really understand how much women care about that stuff. Like I've always said, I want to name my, my grandparents' names are Charlotte and Charlie. If I had a daughter, I'd name her Charlotte. I'd call her Charlie. I've always said that. But like, maybe, maybe men don't like, understand what that means to you. That like, this is where, this is the name of my future child. It means a lot to me.

• 11:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Like my baby name is Lucy and like, if this happened and the guy named his dog Lucy, I'd be like, that's so crazy. You're obsessed with me, but I'm not having kids. Now she can't name her kid that. Like, I don't think she will. Can you imagine?

• 12:01Rayna Greenberg?

  You're totally right. You and I have like, you and I would be like, that's hilarious.

• 12:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Grow up.

• 12:06Rayna Greenberg?

  You're so embarrassing, but if I couldn't name my kid that.

• 12:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I don't think she's going to want any of her kid this. So we, we don't know. We call Kaylin right now, how much it got brought up. So if in fact, it was lots of conversations and he knew, he knew, knew, and he did this. Weird. You have a million names in the world to name a dog. A kid's name is more important than a dog. Kid's name trumps dog name.

• 12:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I think she should still do it. I think she should be also Patty and be like, that was my name first and I'm using it.

• 12:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And what if he's like, well, as it, it comes out that his kid name was Ramen. They like named the dog that.

• 12:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, she said he doesn't see the dogs. She brought the dogs into it.

• 12:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, she's, I don't, I didn't run the tape before we started recording. She said, he has gone on podcasts and said, I don't let him see the dogs. Did he say that on our show? He alluded to it, I thought. I don't want to, I don't want to misquote.

• 13:00Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't remember actually.

• 13:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought he alluded to some dog drama on our show. I'm trying to put ourselves in the middle of it. I'm just trying to be involved.

• 13:09Rayna Greenberg?

  We call them both. We're like surprised. We zoomed them both and merged this.

• 13:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ew. We have both of their cell numbers. We do the FaceTime.

• 13:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hey guys, you're live on the snack.

• 13:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I'm seeing him tonight, the day that this airs.

• 13:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, the day it airs, yeah.

• 13:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll ask him. I'll let you guys know.

• 13:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't make it. I would be there to ask him too, but I gotta get some cavities filled. We'll talk about it.

• 13:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and then the other Bachelorette headline. So I guess Gabby Wendy has been doing some interviews. She was talking about Clayton Eckhart. Eckhart, is that how you say his name?

• 13:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 13:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Who, he was the bachelor on the season that she was on and he famously slept with all three women, told them all they were hysterical in the museum.

• 13:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  In the, in the most echoey room ever. Everyone's whales were bouncing off the walls. It was an iconic Bachelor moment.

• 13:59Rayna Greenberg?

  It was psychotic.

• 14:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's honest to a fault. I want to start by saying Gabby lately, I mean, has me in stitches. She is modern day Jennifer Coolidge. She's so funny. Like, I've just been loving her content lately. I think this traitors thing blew her up. Obviously, we knew her before that. But she's very specific type of person and like Gabby's gonna Gabby. She went on a podcast and kind of slammed him for these dance videos he's been making. And said like, he looks like a toe. And just kind of like, how could I have liked him? And also she's with a woman now. It came across very just classic, talking about your ex. We're all allowed to talk shit on our ex.

• 14:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 14:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, let's, what, what, let's not get too far down the road where we can't do that anymore.

• 14:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, I just, we don't have to put constraints on everything, right?

• 14:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 14:46Rayna Greenberg?

  He humiliated her on national television. I, I know that that is the premise of the show. You go on the show and you understand that.

• 14:57Rayna Greenberg?

  That's why I'm not doing it. That's why I'm not doing that show. I know the premise is that like, if you get into the final three, essentially the lead of the show could sleep with all three people and you all have, and he has feelings for all of you. Like, that's the premise of the show. But I totally agree. You are allowed to talk shit on your ex. He didn't like it.

• 15:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  His response was so serious.

• 15:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was like, this is bullying and I'm gonna stand in my power and stand up for everyone who's been bullied. Like,

• 15:23Rayna Greenberg?

  And who dances on TikTok.

• 15:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So Clayton has started dancing. I have a soft spot for Clayton because he went through this insane

• 15:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 15:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  situation. I listened to the full Nick Vile podcast about what this woman scamming him essentially, saying she was pregnant with. It was like one of the craziest things I've ever heard from. I think he's like a good guy deep down. I think he shouldn't have been the bachelor. I think he's like honest to a fault, whatever. I, I don't dislike him at all. And like, I really listening to what he went through with this like wild situation. I was like on his, on his side. He does these dancing videos. He started doing them in the last couple of years. He wasn't doing them when he was the bachelor. He wouldn't have been selected at all. They are the most cringe thing I've ever seen. But what isn't cringe? We say this all the time. Like if it, you gotta be cringe. It's, it, you can tell he's having the time of his life. They are so cringe. I thought they were a joke. They look like a parody, but he is having so much fun.

• 16:16Rayna Greenberg?

  It's, no one's having more fun than him trying to learn how to dance.

• 16:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  He will be dancing and the way, he has no swag in his face. Like he is full, full grin, doing these dance moves and then paragraph long caption about how dancing has changed his life. It's unreal to see. I'm obsessed.

• 16:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley and I have been knowing about these dance videos

• 16:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 16:36Rayna Greenberg?

  for like years. They are so funny and he has gotten better. I will see, I've watched him progress. He looks up while he's dancing now. So he's not like watching his feet.

• 16:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 16:44Rayna Greenberg?

  He's gotten a little better.

• 16:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought he looked straight at the camera and smiled.

• 16:48Rayna Greenberg?

  They're so cringe. You guys have to watch it though. It does bring him joy.

• 16:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  It, yes.

• 16:53Rayna Greenberg?

  But he basically came out and said that she was number one bullying him and that these dances are like mental health for him.

• 16:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, they are.

• 17:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Here's what I think. I think he took it really seriously because what happened with that woman. Basically, he was a real estate agent. He was showing her homes. They ended up hooking up. They did not have sex. She still said she got pregnant from like pre-cum and then she dragged him through the muck for a year.

• 17:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Income about it. Yeah. It was crazy.

• 17:15Rayna Greenberg?

  It was really, I would say extremely traumatizing. He lost a lot of money because of legal fees. And you should listen to the episode. Um, it was fantastic. Not, not you, Ashley, you, the audience.

• 17:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 17:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, he's probably just hypersens-

• 17:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  sensitive about anything.

• 17:27Rayna Greenberg?

  What people are saying on the internet about him.

• 17:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I mean, you know, you're a person on the internet, so you gotta, it kinda comes with the territory. I've seen comments, I mean, people obviously will like die for Gabby, they love her so much. And I'm also seeing comments that say it comes across a little mean spirited. You're kinda welcome to think both, that, I don't know what totally went down between them behind closed doors. Again, he did kinda fuck her over on national TV. She's allowed to slam her ex on a podcast. It was, the tone was not what I would take. I would probably be lighter, like, I'd probably be like, they're so cringe, bless his heart. You know, like, Clayton is this tall, big dude that was The Bachelor. Like, he's obviously not fugly, like, calling him a toe is like, whatever. Like, she probably thinks he looks like that now, she doesn't even like men. So to me, it felt light, maybe borderline mean spirited, but also like Gabby is this like,

• 18:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  that's kind of her vibe and it's really funny. And so, I don't know, like, he definitely took it super seriously.

• 18:20Rayna Greenberg?

  It's on the lower end of what people would say about someone else's appearance. It's a pretty low hanging fruit, it doesn't really, you could apply that to anybody. I think that it's very common to just say somebody looks like a toe.

• 18:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  And she was attracted to him.

• 18:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 18:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're allowed to talk about our exes, do not take this away from us. And we're allowed to insult their appearances. We liked it at one point, we fucked these people, we can talk shit on them now.

• 18:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, absolutely. I think that, you know, there's always the, if a man did this, it wouldn't be okay camp.

• 18:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 18:54Rayna Greenberg?

  You're welcome to believe that. I don't, I would, of course, would take issue seeing a man be like, I don't like her anymore, she's fugly, like, and her dance videos are stupid, like, I would take issue with it, but,

• 19:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't care when a woman does it, I just don't care, it's not that deep for me.

• 19:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I'd be like, yeah, you can call me ugly, you don't like women. I don't know, I don't know, it would hit different, so, I'm, you know, there's that.

• 19:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that women traditionally have been dragged, valued and devalued for how they look. It's since, since the beginning of time, I don't think men have had that experience. So it does feel different when men do it.

• 19:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 19:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Because men have always dragged women for how they look and what their weight is and their face and their bodies and, women just haven't.

• 19:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's not all comparable, you know, like, I have issues with like, what if men, what if women? Like, it's not straight across the board. Anyway, let's move on, let's talk about White Lotus. The finale that swept the nation. I just, I say this every week, the way that people are with this show is unlike anything we've seen since really like the olden days. It's like giving like Seinfeld finale, like the way that it used to be, like everyone's tuning in, they're ordering food, we'll talk about the food. But you know, it really was like, I don't know anyone that doesn't watch White Lotus. I felt out of the loop with Game of Thrones, you know? And this is no shade to Game of Thrones, I just didn't watch it. My fiance is like breathing on my neck to watch with him, the dire wolves, obviously he's a fan. But like, I don't know anyone that doesn't watch White Lotus, not one person.

• 20:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you, can you name one? Like, I felt like I had some community with Game of Thrones. I know that so many people watched it, but I feel like I had people that didn't watch it in my community and I don't see that with White Lotus.

• 20:35Rayna Greenberg?

  That's a good call. I, I think that Game of Thrones is the last time I really felt like everybody's doing this and out of the loop. But like, you didn't watch it, like, not everybody around me was like, this is must see TV. This is like, swept the nation.

• 20:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and you know, I have this theory, people said they didn't love the season, you even said that, there wasn't enough happening. Do we think that the bar has just been set so high that people have kind of unrealistic expectations? That they even kind of forget that the first season was a little slower moving? Like, I feel like we have upped the ante every season that people are expecting to be blown away. And the show actually is similar, it's just people have different expectations, they've been warped by like, this is the greatest show on TV.

• 21:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I think a couple of things, I think that the show lacked comedy for me and that's just, I think there were so many like comedic moments in the first two seasons and comedic acting. That I just, I missed it in the third season, there was nowhere, like I said, nowhere to go for a break. Like, and even stuff that wasn't supposed to necessarily be on its head, like Jake Lacy's character in season one is just funny to me.

• 21:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 21:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Jennifer Coolidge is just funny. Jennifer Coolidge's assistant in season two, she just like quirky and dating this guy. There's just, there's humor woven throughout the show. There was nowhere to go for humor in season three. But the theme of these, the theme, the seasons, if you guys don't know that, the first season was what? Money. The second season was sex. This season was like personal development, spirituality.

• 22:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enlightenment.

• 22:04Rayna Greenberg?

  So it is a less kind of funny.

• 22:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I.

• 22:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Topic?

• 22:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I agree with you completely about the humor and that was on my list too. I think they could have made it funny. I'm sorry, that's hilarious. People who are so spiritual, enlightened, like that's funny. You can, that's not, I don't think that's it. But I did say, I said, it was darker. Like Tanya's death last season was hilarious. I mean, the gays are trying to kill me. And then she bounced off the rail and like the hotel manager, like the drug trip and then he dies. Like all that was, like he was in their room, like all of it was really comedic and this was just dark. There was, it was like a Greek tragedy. People were so upset Chelsea died, that goes without saying. Like it was not the same. This season was not funny. Like the memes were funny, but they were, and Parker Posey was funny. I guess she was supposed to be your comedic relief. She was supposed to be the Jennifer Coolidge.

• 22:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, but like season two, like the dad and the son are sleeping with the same sex worker. And then you have these like two sex workers that are just kind of like funny together. Like there was just nowhere to go. Parker Posey, to me, is one of the greatest characters written. I, I loved it. Our friend said that it was a very long finale. It was a nine minute finale and they kind of just wrapped up the whole thing in 15 minutes. But I thought there was a lot of suspense and I, I kind of enjoyed it. And I like how they wrapped up the season. I, I think they did a good job of wrapping up every single storyline. I actually, more than any other season, wanted to watch these characters more. Like I want to watch the Ratcliffe family go home.

• 23:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, which people are saying that storyline is Schitt's Creek. This rich family that's lost everything. People like, we need a, a show about them losing everything. And people are like, that's Schitt's Creek. Ever heard of it?

• 23:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 23:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  The things, we can bounce around, but since you kind of say things you wished happened, this is kind of twisted. But I, I wish they would have had Saxon finding out that Chelsea died. I mean, he had this really, you know, emotional moment seeing her run back with Rick. Like what if he found out she died?

• 23:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you think he would have cared?

• 23:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I think it would have really fucked him up. I just, I don't know. That's kind of a dark thing to want to have seen. And then, of course, I would have liked the family to like, see a little bit more of the news and have it wash over them. Like, you sort of see Saxon, I think.

• 24:11Rayna Greenberg?

  That's, that's it.

• 24:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that's it. Like, I wanted to see a little more and really have them, even if just on their faces, like, completely, like, melt down, be like crestfallen, and then have him kind of looking out into the water, like, he's contemplating suicide again. I don't know. Like, they had him looking into the water, and I was like, oh, is he gonna jump out this fucking boat? And, I don't know. They just kind of didn't, they didn't dive into that.

• 24:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I agree. I would have liked to watch that boat ride play out. Because he ends it by saying, like, we're family, we're strong, we'll get through this together. No, y'all won't.

• 24:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I know.

• 24:44Rayna Greenberg?

  No, you won't.

• 24:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  That scene where he made them the pina coladas, I was holding on to my fiance. I was whispering, like, to myself, like, what the fuck? Like, there's no way this is gonna happen. And my thought process was, I think, what a lot of other people thought of, like, he's gonna leave Lachlan alone with a dead family? Like, this is so twisted. And I didn't think he was gonna go through with it, but, I mean, we were watching them sip it.

• 25:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that they, like, teased the blender the whole season, and that's stuff fruit, and you kind of like knew that was gonna happen. I mean, I've seen so many memes, like, you're just, you know, you already use a blender that wasn't washed out.

• 25:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. People are really coming for Lachlan's character about that. I think he, like, thought his brother used it. He thought there was protein still left in it. You can't get too much protein. Like, I think that was his vibe.

• 25:28Rayna Greenberg?

  My, talking to my brother this morning, he said he really enjoyed watching the dad interview all the family members about who he was gonna kill. He was like, that was the comedy for me.

• 25:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also, by the way, we, like, cannot forget that the dad is high on lorazepam the whole time. Like, I feel like you are watching him try to kill his family and then kind of come back to life. Like, he's so high. Like, he's like, this is a good, this is gonna be great.

• 25:49Rayna Greenberg?

  He's just fantasizing about, like, which one to do it to, and, like, asking them individually. It is kind of funny.

• 25:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 25:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Was going back, I'm curious what your thought process was about Mook and Guy Talk. Cause I think that every season they do a good job of like incorporating a few characters from the hotel. And I don't think that it should just be a show, a bunch of like rich white people from America, like they wanted to incorporate people from Thailand. I don't know what else I wanted from it, but if you had totally removed that storyline, it wouldn't have changed the show for me in any way. Like Mook, I just thought like she was going to be involved some other way, but like she's his purpose, I think, and he is struggling between like religion and wanting the girl. And like, that's his catalyst for all this stuff. And then like, he is also like the inflection point for the robbery and those three guys

• 26:41Rayna Greenberg?

  that are gonna fuck the three girls. I just was like, do I care about the storyline at all? What was the point of this? But it's, it sort of just acts as a through line.

• 26:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought it was important. I mean, especially the fact that like the whole thing is like, I'm not violent, I'm not violent, Buddhism, this Buddhism, that. And then he shoots somebody, kills somebody at the end. And that gets him promoted. And then essentially you kind of assume get the girl. So I think like, there's a lot to that.

• 27:05Rayna Greenberg?

  You liked the storyline?

• 27:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I do. I thought Mook was gonna be bad. I thought, I thought the whole time she was involved with the robbers.

• 27:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, they teased that.

• 27:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, just some, some notes I had, I thought there were some really profound statements. Chelsea saying, don't focus on the love you didn't get, focus on the love you have. I might be quoting that wrong, but I thought that Lachlan like finally just mentioning the family full of narcissist was like crazy. I mean, and like, it just kind of cut off right there. But, you know, I never really felt like he was this super creep wanting to fuck his whole family guy. I just thought he was like this kid that didn't have an identity and he was in this fucked up family. And I think you finally realized that like, he jerked his brother off because he's like this perpetual people pleaser and he doesn't have a sense of identity and is this family full of narcissist. I don't know.

• 27:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally agree.

• 27:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I was like, when he, I thought he was dead, I was like upset.

• 27:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Not a, he just didn't deserve to die. Neither did Chelsea, of course, but like, I understood it. Like Rick has to lose everything because he takes someone else's life.

• 28:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 28:02Rayna Greenberg?

  And then he dies. Also, who knew that Rick was a sharpshooter?

• 28:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, that, did you see this theory that him and? Uh, the other guy, the guy with the

• 28:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Sam Rockwell.

• 28:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sam Rockwell's character were old military buddies. Someone said, maybe you were supposed to assume that's how they knew each other. Maybe someone, maybe I'm

• 28:22Rayna Greenberg?

  That is right.

• 28:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know if it ever says how they knew each other, maybe I missed it, but people were like, maybe they had like some experience. Cause yeah, I mean, you can't, whatever, but also it's TV. And then I loved Lori's monologue.

• 28:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, everybody is saying they loved it. It was so profound. And I really was wondering how they were going to wrap up the storyline with these women. Cause the whole season, they teased this tension between three people, but it is realistic. When you think about like people that have known each other for 25 years and have seen each other through marriages and children and jobs and moving. And we're not the same people we were when we were in college. We're so different. And you know, you have this one woman played by Leslie Bibb, who like gets married to somebody who's conservative and moves to Texas. And it's clearly more religious than them. And it's like, does that mean that we throw these friendships out? Does that mean these people don't mean anything to us anymore? And I kind of was like having fun watching them kind of like rip each other to shreds. But it was more realistic in the end where they're just, they come together.

• 29:16Rayna Greenberg?

  And I, I, I thought it was a more realistic storyline.

• 29:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I really did appreciate the way they wrapped it up and they, they really gave them a happy ending. And they were like, all like, you know, huggy kissy, then they're on the boat. But like, I feel like when Jacqueline was speaking about how great the week was, I had like whiplash. I'm like, what? This has been such a great week. Oh, I'm like, I'm just glad like Lori came to the table with some honesty. And also maybe it just felt like they were both kind of like romanticizing this week. That kind of seemed, got a little hellish towards the end. And then Lori was like, hey, what?

• 29:48Rayna Greenberg?

  It felt, Jacqueline's thing felt very much like actress in Hollywood PR answer.

• 29:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes.

• 29:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Of like, like

• 29:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  What a beautiful week. Acceptance speech.

• 29:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. And it's just, it lacked depth and honesty.

• 29:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 29:59Rayna Greenberg?

  So it felt like a very PR'd answer. And Leslie Bibb's answer felt very like Texas Southern woman, bless her heart, you know? And I love Lori. I'm glad you have a beautiful face and glad you have a beautiful life, but let's, let's have a real conversation.

• 30:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  So just some headlines and things that people are talking about that we want to address. Some deleted scenes that didn't happen are full storylines. And I think the one that I am the most upset about is that Piper was going to have sex with Zion and lose her virginity. And I like Can't believe that didn't happen.

• 30:34Rayna Greenberg?

  People, the internet's upset. People are very upset that.

• 30:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Actually, the next time we're doing the show is dragging Mike White because I have a lot to say. Like, I don't, I would have died to see that, just like this, like the romance in general. Like, losing her virginity, that's significant because it would have been such a full circle moment for her to be the one that like had a nice sexual experience on the vacation because they were nagging her about being a virgin and then Saxon was out here hunting for pussy. And then ultimately only his brother jerked him off. You know, like, it would have been full circle for her to have sex. But I just would have liked to see them flirt. Like, that would have just been a nice storyline. I'm like thinking about how much I would have loved that. Like, how would they even have met up? Like, I'm, I'm just bummed that didn't happen.

• 31:16Rayna Greenberg?

  It just would have been like a fun, lighter storyline.

• 31:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 31:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Her only storyline was like going to stay at this monastery and then deciding that she likes air conditioning and the food is bad and all that. That's her storyline.

• 31:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I get it on the air conditioning.

• 31:27Rayna Greenberg?

  But yeah, I think it just would have been like a fun, sexy storyline. It's not incest driven or my dad left me driven or this dead lady. And I, like, it's just would have been lighter and sexier.

• 31:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think we all love, like, people getting together.

• 31:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Fucking in a resort on vacation.

• 31:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So that was a bummer. Mike White said that next season won't be crashing waves. So people are speculating, are we doing like a ski resort? Or are we doing like a city? I mean, we've seen a lot of scenes in cities. They get into the city on these shows, but it's not going to be like an island or a coastal location, it sounds like.

• 32:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm dying to know the cast and every, I get so excited. And on April Fool's Day, they like released a fake cast and one of the people was Lindsay Lohan, which I got, wouldn't she be so fun on the show?

• 32:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, one of my favorite memes was if we do this at a ski resort, you have to cast Gwyneth Paltrow.

• 32:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Absolutely.

• 32:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Gwyneth Paltrow's ski trial was one of my favorite scenes.

• 32:21Rayna Greenberg?

  So that was at the same time as the Johnny Depp trial and I didn't pay attention.

• 32:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  You were one of the other.

• 32:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, I did Gwyneth Paltrow. Um, I. Didn't she sue for a dollar? Wasn't that the whole thing? Okay.

• 32:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  The trial, the trial. I mean, it's like we can't get into it now, but if you know, you know. You know how, you mentioned the themes of every season. I would love it to be about fame. I've thought how much I would enjoy a fame season influencer stuff. Not, it doesn't have to be all influencers, but like, you know, Jacqueline was famous, but not like famous, like I would love for it to be about the desire for fame.

• 32:54Rayna Greenberg?

  It's like, what else? Money, money, sex, money, sex and spirituality.

• 33:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I like thing.

• 33:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 33:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 33:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  So that's what I want.

• 33:03Rayna Greenberg?

  That's your prediction?

• 33:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the other craziest thing that I really can't stop thinking about is this, that the composer, Cristobal Tapia de Vere, who's the famous composer who wrote the original songs, he has now quit for season four. And the tea is hot. So, did you like read all of this?

• 33:24Rayna Greenberg?

  So I saw the line and I did not, I didn't, I didn't get into this.

• 33:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, he's won multiple Emmys for his work on the show. As we know, people were really unhappy with this theme song for season three and they were like, how could they? And he knew he was gonna quit. His quote says, this is, comes from a Cosmo article, but it's all over the place. He told the New York Times, "It's kinda weird right now because I announced to the team a few months ago that I was not coming back, that I was leaving. I didn't tell Mike for various reasons. I wanted to tell him just at the end for the shock."

• 33:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Like the season finale? He had his own season finale planned?

• 33:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then Mike heard, cuz he told everyone else.

• 34:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  So then, they, apparently Mike said a lot of things when he found out. Cristobal explained, "I can't really talk about that." And then, so he, it says, "He did however enlighten everyone on the general White Lotus theme song drama." According to him, the composer, Mike originally wanted a club song with quote unquote, literally no edge to it, that was more like quote unquote, background music. That's exactly what we said. I was like, this isn't a song. So when it came to season three, Cristobal confirmed he made 20 versions of that theme with and without the "oooh." And when he realized fans were upset about the theme, the show ended up using, he tried to release the original.

• 34:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh!

• 34:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, he texted the producer, "I told him it'd be great to at some point, just give them the longer version with the "oooh." Yeah, that's all we want. Because people will explode if they realize it was going there anyway. Yes, he gets us. Mike White doesn't get us, but he understands. He thought it was a good idea. Then Mike cut that. He wasn't happy about that. They have some beef. And then, he goes, "I mean, at that point, we already had our last fight forever." So he was just saying no to anything. I mean, this drama! And then he uploaded that song to YouTube anyway.

• 35:07Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 35:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Have you listened to it?

• 35:09Rayna Greenberg?

  This is crazy! Can we play it?

• 35:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. So I'm gonna, it's too long to play the whole thing, but I'll just play the end.

• 35:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna be so upset when you play this.

• 35:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's most of the...

• 35:17Rayna Greenberg?

  And you know that I predicted after the first episode that they were gonna change the music because I was like, surely this won't last.

• 35:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. And I mean, this composer, like, I remember even season one, there were more songs than just the theme song I would listen to. The song of them going to dinner, like, I was on that soundtrack. He's incredible.

• 35:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I loved, I listened to The Car, we would listen to Girls Got to Eat shows, we'd play it all the time.

• 35:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 35:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh my god, I feel like I'm gonna be so, about to be so upset.

• 35:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  So just the regular, I'm gonna just fast forward, speed through it because I want you to hear the end.

• 36:17Rayna Greenberg?

  This stops so hard.

• 36:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I have chills and my devils are hard and I'm so mad about this. By the way, there's monkeys in that song.

• 36:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because I listened back to the first season and the second season. Like, the first one had more animal sounds and things like that. And then the second one had more of a beat drop and then like the but like, they had that similarity. Why would you not? Like, I just don't understand it. Now it just feels like they have had beef, probably for a while now. And like, it was an ego thing. Because like, the way that people act about that song, it's like, he gets so much credit. Like, people know that composer's name, they know that that's like someone else who's responsible for that. I don't know.

• 37:16Rayna Greenberg?

  The sound was just ripped for so many TikToks.

• 37:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I don't know if that's the story, but they have beef, beef.

• 37:25Rayna Greenberg?

  That is tate. I'm glad I didn't read that.

• 37:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  He should have read the whole album of like uncut.

• 37:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I want all 20.

• 37:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 37:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you for telling me that. Oh, no, I missed that.

• 37:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then one more thing we want to talk about, which I have some stuff to share with you is what I'm calling Thai food meltdowns for the finale.

• 37:44Rayna Greenberg?

  So everybody in America apparently had the same idea.

• 37:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I saw people ordering Thai food for the premiere.

• 37:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 37:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  My fiance and I just never got Thai food. I don't know. We cooked dinner or whatever. We hadn't had Thai food for White Lotus yet. So we were like, we gotta get it for the finale. Yeah. I was like, we go to order. We were like landing, coming back from Chicago. And I was like, what are we gonna have? And I'm like pitching him different options. And I landed on Night Market. This is, but I need to be very clear. This is no shade to Night Market. We love Night Market.

• 38:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, we have multiple friends that shared the exact same story.

• 38:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Unbelievable.

• 38:15Rayna Greenberg?

  From tons of restaurants.

• 38:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  And at that point, they were only doing scheduling. And I'm like, okay, they're probably trying to get ahead of it. This is very smart. Like in caviar.

• 38:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Did you immediately realize like everyone has ordered Thai food for the finale?

• 38:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I had, I had a feeling that people were gonna be doing that. And then the restaurants were preparing themselves for it. But also like, who's gonna tell you if you don't think about that yourself? So they weren't doing like order right now. They were like, you can schedule your delivery. I'm like, this is perfect. They're getting ahead of it. So I, we're landing. I scheduled it for between 7:30 and 7:50. So 7:30 comes around. And I'm like, it's, the dasher's there. He's been there. He's been waiting. And so it's probably taken a while. I understand that. So at 7:39, I just, again, he's, I feel bad because he's there. And I'm like, I don't want him to wait there all night, you know?

• 39:03Rayna Greenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 39:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I just text him, hi, is the order just not ready yet? No, unfortunately, there is an incredible crowd here. The order I took before you was prepared in 40 minutes. I'm waiting for it to be prepared. What was your name? Because there are two orders. Cancel if you want, or you will wait a long time. I will wait too. I have plenty of time. I work for you. Meanwhile, I'm like, you can go. I don't, this is weird.

• 39:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, when I even saw the length of the text messages, I was like, how are you guys talking this much?

• 39:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I go, I said, I scheduled the delivery for between 7:30 and 7:50. Can you check on it? Can you just ask? Like, the name is Ashley Hustle Time. He goes, it's impossible.

• 39:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't get out of here for at least 30 minutes. Cancel it if you want. I said, do you mind just asking them if they, if can you, can you just ask them? I placed it over an hour ago. He said, when we ask, they don't care about us. Because there are at least 40 people ahead of me asking. We have no choice but to wait here. They yell at us. Also, again.

• 40:12Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a bit of a language barrier.

• 40:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ghost support night market. This is no shade. They were probably going, this was like the bear happening.

• 40:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Our other friend had also ordered from a different Thai place and then you were trying to find alternatives for, this is every Thai restaurant in LA.

• 40:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, so, yes, I, cause I was Bangkok, West Thai is another place I like. So I just said, I'm sorry to hear that. Like I feel, now we're just talking. I go, I'm sorry to hear that. He goes, are you thinking of canceling the order?

• 40:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I can't play along.

• 40:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I'm, now I'm talking to caviar support. I go, yes, I'm trying to, no update from your end. Cause then caviar is like, you can't, it's too late. And I'm like, well, I can't get my food. So what are you guys gonna do? They're like, we gotta call the restaurant. I'm like, you won't be able to get through to them.

• 40:50Rayna Greenberg?

  They don't care about you.

• 40:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I said, no update. Like, he goes, there are too many waitings. Yes, it was crowded. Now it's even more crowded. That's the only thing that's up to date. I love that he's like, I have an update for you. It's worse.

• 41:06Rayna Greenberg?

  There is an incredible crowd here, even more so.

• 41:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  So then I said, okay, I'm canceling. You can leave. I'm so sorry. I can't go without you canceling. I'll get a message. It doesn't matter. Have a nice day. It doesn't matter. Have a nice day. And again, he's not trying to be rude. It was probably.

• 41:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Those are probably a bit of a language barrier.

• 41:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  It doesn't matter. Have a nice day. And then we, we're done here. I canceled it. I order from somewhere else. 10 minutes later, he sends me a photo.

• 41:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Of the restaurant.

• 41:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is this a club?

• 41:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Line to get in like there's a bouncer.

• 41:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Could you die? We'll put this on YouTube like literally there's 40 like dashers people ahead of him. And I saw reels from a few places in New York, but one specifically called Soother, which was right by where we used to live, right by where I used to live. It's incredible. It's in East Village. It opened right before COVID. They were able to survive. It's an amazing, I would never have attempted Soother, but I just thought it was so funny.

• 42:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know why it never crossed my mind. And then I looked at text messages from two other girlfriends in New York, because I had been talking to them, like, what do you do up to today? And they both had said, I'm ordering Thai and watching White Lotus. Like, it just never crossed my mind. This was like, gonna be a thing. This shutdown Thai restaurants, like wing places at the Super Bowl.

• 42:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, I know. It's so funny. You were comparing to the Super Bowl. And then I just asked people if they had any situations. And someone said, Night Market in Venice took three hours and we had to cancel. Again, guys, we love Night Market. Two cancellations and four hours later, we just ended up ordering burgers. Then someone said, I decided to cook, had my own little meltdown. Food wasn't ready till 10. So good, though. And we did find a place. It was called like Tale Thai. It was really good, but it was kind of, but then when I went in caviar, almost all the top Thai places were like grayed out. They're done. They had to cut it off. Like this, it was giving me flashbacks from that scene in The Bear where the tickets are just coming out. And like, I feel for these restaurants who like, didn't know. And because I think you don't know till you know. And you're

• 43:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  like, okay, this is, if they had no idea that was happening, they're like, this is a lot, but the great for us. Maybe, maybe some TikToker posted about us, you know, and then they're like realizing like, we can't keep up with this. And then they have 40 dashers there.

• 43:17Rayna Greenberg?

  It never, it just never crossed my mind. I don't know why it would cross their minds.

• 43:22Rayna Greenberg?

  That's incredible.

• 43:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, that is our White Lotus recap.

• 43:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know, we're gonna talk about it now?

• 43:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  We have to do our ads?

• 43:30Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I mean, just in life.

• 43:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, we do have a show that we are so excited about to take the place of White Lotus, and that is FX's Dying for Sex.

• 43:42Rayna Greenberg?

  So this episode is supported by FX's Dying for Sex, starring Michelle Williams and Jenny Slate. Inspired by a true story, this series follows Molly, who after receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis, decides to leave her husband to explore the full breadth of her sexual desires. She gets the courage and support to go on this sexual quest from her best friend Nikki, who stays by her side through it all. FX's Dying for Sex, all episodes now streaming on Hulu. I mean, from watching the trailer, I knew this would be great. Tessa and I, and you, just laughing.

• 44:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  We've been watching.

• 44:11Rayna Greenberg?

  So much comedy. And I love Jenny Slate and Michelle Williams. I love this, I love the whole storyline of this friendship and somebody just wanting more for their sex life and the saying like, this is, this might be the end of my life and I want to go have orgasms and I want to experience sex and explore my sexuality. And I just, I love the storyline, I love the friendship, I love the humor. It's just, it's a great show.

• 44:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I don't think it's so easy to do death with humor, and I think they have nailed it. Gabby Wendy's partner, Robbie, is in it. Marcelo Hernandez makes the cameo. Like, we're just liking seeing everybody's in it and Tessa, we've all been watching it and just loving it. So you guys, check it out.

• 44:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, so check it out on Hulu right now, you guys.

• 44:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, and then I am gonna tell you about a new brand partner. This is Olive Ave Jewelry. I am so excited about this. Okay, so if you guys are new around here, you know, I'm engaged and I have the ring to prove it, but they do handcrafted engagement rings to custom fine jewelry and then just great, of course, everyday pieces, but you can customize. Olive Ave creates pieces designed to celebrate love, friendship, and life's most meaningful moments and milestones. So whatever that is, again, like, great gifts. And I was looking on it. For like wedding bands and I like sent the link to my fiance and I was like, would you want a stone? Cause like, I don't know, I, I don't mind a guy's wedding band and it has a little diamond on it.

• 45:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I always just like feel bad that guys just get something without any like pizzazz. And so I, I never know. And I really, I like all their ready to wear stuff. I mean, you can certainly do custom, but their ready to wear is, is beautifully done.

• 45:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So, but I mean, you can search, I mean, by engagement, again, bands. I like, I mean, just, I kind of know what I want, but I was looking for him. They have solid gold, diamond, contemporary metals, fine jewelry, of course. Uh, and you can shop by occasion, birthday, anniversary, wedding party, graduation, push presents, ready to ship, and then custom, of course. So I'm loving this Solitaire gemstone necklace. You can get it in ruby or emerald, which I really love. Again, my ring is ruby. So I'm just so hot on rubies and ruby, ruby, everything. And their jewelry is made to last. It's really high, high quality stuff. It's really, really great. You're not getting some like flimsy ring that's gonna fall apart. This is the real deal jewelry made to become part of your biggest, most unforgettable moments.

• 46:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  And again, you can customize, we're talking personalization that makes it feel 100% you. So you'll have something that no one else has. So again, we are really big fans. Do you know what you got?

• 46:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I got the Lexa, which is a ready to ship, but it's a yellow gold ring and it has a little like sort of halo of diamonds. And it's really beautiful. It comes in silver gold or rose gold. And it's just really unique. But I wear a lot of rings and I like them to be stackable.

• 46:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Rayna Greenberg?

  And I just, I, I really, they have a lot of variety on here.

• 46:49Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 47:11Rayna Greenberg?

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• 47:55Rayna Greenberg?

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• 48:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so let's get into some of your headlines.

• 48:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, first headline. TikToker who slammed boring noise to influencers claims she got fired from job over viral rant. So we talked about her last week. She basically posted this TikTok saying all the influencers are boring. She only had 900 followers. I don't think she ever thought, of course, that this would go anywhere, that anything would come of this, but she works for a luxury brand.

• 48:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do we know which brand?

• 48:38Rayna Greenberg?

  She said, "I work for the biggest luxury fashion brand in the world." I'm assuming it's LVMH.

• 48:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  You think?

• 48:45Rayna Greenberg?

  That's the largest luxury brand in the world.

• 48:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's shocking that she works in fashion and posted that. It makes... She's closer to the fashion world. I thought... I did not... I didn't see that coming. I didn't see her working in fashion and posting that. That was surprising.

• 49:01Rayna Greenberg?

  It's interesting because she says, "That's why I was bored, because everybody around me is obsessed with these girls, and we only work with these girls." And so I think she has a direct line to them. I don't know what her job was, but especially if she works in social, she probably was sick of seeing the same fucking content from these creators all day, every day. However, I was thinking of a parent... Like, if somebody that worked for us was like, "Podcasts are fucking stupid."

• 49:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  But she wasn't saying fashion is stupid. I don't know. I actually don't really like her vibe, but I don't really think that she should have been fired, but I could be missing something.

• 49:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I don't know what the company's policies are. You know, I worked for Amazon. They were very much of the ilk of like, everything you do while you work at Amazon represents Amazon. It wasn't like, when you're in your own life, you're just doing your own Reina thing. It was like you were always an Amazon employee. And so I do think whether she was public facing or not, this company probably was like, this is how we make our money. This is our bread and butter, and you're insulting these people. Her point was like, I don't have any followers. I'm a private citizen. No one cares about me.

• 50:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, yeah.

• 50:05Rayna Greenberg?

  If you got it, that's the reality of the world. Like, what you did is still stamped in ink on the internet.

• 50:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's true. Okay, so a few political headlines. The hands-off protests from last weekend on April 5th, an estimated 1 million people protested across the United States, around the world, Saturday to tell President Donald Trump and his billionaire ally Elon Musk, hands-off. I was able to go to one in Chicago. So I was in Chicago and we went down. It felt really powerful. I'd kind of forgotten how that felt to be like in the streets with these people who were like so passionate and so pissed off, you know. And it was everywhere. It was in small red towns and big cities. And it was just really like heartwarming to see people really come together. But it was huge.

• 50:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Didn't you see your photo of your mom on Facebook?

• 50:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  My mom. I saw the photo of my mom in the group chat, but I'm not on Facebook. You saw her on Facebook?

• 50:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, she posted a cute photo of her friends and her signs. It was really sweet. And I like that people have hope. I like that something just gives them hope.

• 51:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and it just makes you feel like, you know, you're not out here on an island. People all feel the same way. You're all marching together in the streets. And then also Cory Booker. So last week when we were recording, Cory was doing his thing, and we just didn't really know what was going to happen. And so he broke the record for the longest speech on the Senate floor with 25 hours and 5 minutes, surpassing Strom Thurmond, who held the previous record, who was protesting against civil rights and was just super racist. And so it's- Monumental in that way that he kind of like even talking to my best friend who's a history teacher is like, I like that we can talk about Cory Booker now instead of Strom Thurmond. And I have not been able to stop thinking about it. Like, I wasn't fully grasping it when it was happening. And then 25 hours of on your feet,

• 51:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  no bathroom breaks, no food and talking. The athleticism, the endurance, I can't stop thinking about it.

• 51:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I didn't really think about what it takes to do this until I read what how he, he trained for it. And like, of course you do. Like, I can't stay up that long. Even I would do like, you sleepovers when you were little and you'd try to stay up all night. I couldn't do it.

• 52:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Talking passionately and coherently for, what, literally how, right? I can't, this is the biggest, like, physical feat I've ever heard of. I'm not exaggerating. I can't get over it. 25 hours and no food and water.

• 52:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, he's not like a 19 year old. Like, he's a grown man.

• 52:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you see his shoes? People were like, what are those?

• 52:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. He really trained for this. He trained his body for it. I didn't really think about the fact that you couldn't go to the bathroom. So he had to dehydrate his body. He said, I stopped eating on Friday. And then I stopped drinking the night before I started on Monday.

• 52:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  But how are you coherent?

• 52:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, actually, some people say they're sharper when they're starving.

• 52:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel like I have some sharpness and lucidity when I'm really starving. But like, then you gotta eat. Then it goes to me that I'm like, the dehydration more than anything.

• 52:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know how you are physically. I just, you know, it's, it's something like, you know, when you see a mom lift a car to save a baby. I mean, I think he just hates Donald Trump that much.

• 53:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, he, like, he was just on adrenaline.

• 53:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so we really love to see it. And I think that was something that the Democratic Party really needed to show that, like, dedication and leadership. So we love to see it.

• 53:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So next, Helen, Love is Blind's Meg Fink and Mason Horacek.

• 53:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 53:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Confirm their dating again. We can't wait to share the future. Who cares? Well, why are we still interviewing these people? These two people that just like didn't even make it into the honeymoon on the worst season of Love is Blind, they're still giving interviews. They're like buzz buzz, still us.

• 53:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, it is the latest season. I'm so dead because also we didn't have to read that headline.

• 53:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're like, who cares? Tessa had done other headlines in there. We chose this one.

• 53:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, people chose it. So you're right. It made me laugh so hard. I was like, is this like a really slow news day, you guys? These people, I wish them out. They're harmless.

• 54:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I just think it's funny that they're trying this the third time. Like they didn't even make it. They weren't even together out of the pods. They've, they were like, we're together. No, we're not together. Oh, just kidding. We're together. I just think it's like funny to watch people do this.

• 54:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Question.

• 54:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause it's chaotic.

• 54:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't know they got back to their second time. I thought they took one swing at it, broke up. Like when did the second time happen? Or are they saying the first time was in the pods? Get out of here.

• 54:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, all right, all right. And we're going to wrap it up with a little SNL Weekend Update tea. So SNL was doing the Weekend Update and one of the cast members, Eggie Boom is her Instagram handle. Her name is Ego Noadim. And she does this bit. It's very funny. She's talking about how she should host the Correspondence Dinner and just roast the food the whole time. And she's doing a little bit of like back and forth with the live studio audience. And at one point she goes, men, men ain't. And puts the mic out and everyone yells shit.

• 54:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Obviously.

• 54:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  What did you think was gonna happen? That's the, that's the completion of the sentence.

• 54:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you know that we started this episode with men ain't shit? And we ended it with men ain't shit?

• 55:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God.

• 55:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Are we geniuses?

• 55:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so funny. And then Colin Jost and Michael Che kind of lose it. And it's, but like, what did you think was gonna happen? Like you walk into a room, a restaurant, a bank, you yell, men ain't, everyone's gonna say shit.

• 55:16Rayna Greenberg?

  What people are gonna be popping up out of the trash cans.

• 55:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shit. And then it's so funny because they're talking about FCC fines. You're gonna fine the audience? They didn't do it.

• 55:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, this is y'all's fault. You can't ask a group of people that.

• 55:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it's so funny because I saw this one article in Vulture. It said, "The correct response, by the way, was worth a damn."

• 55:34Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's not. Who's saying that? Some old lady in Georgia? Man ain't worth a damn. No. Um, I have a question, and maybe it says this in this article somewhere. Is SNL not on any delay at all? Like, most live television is on a delay by a minute or 30 seconds. Like, for what reason is it not?

• 55:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I actually thought it was only like 15 or 30. I thought it was minimal. That's so, that's so true.

• 56:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I guess I don't really understand like what, other than like sporting events.

• 56:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're right. There should, there should have been, who knows? I thought there was enough delay to catch that stuff.

• 56:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought like, unless it's something that people are like betting on, like sporting events, why would you not put entertainment television on a delay?

• 56:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought there was a delay. I thought there was enough delay to account for this.

• 56:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe they were laughing so hard in the control room, they just forgot.

• 56:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or they didn't, it took a minute to hear it.

• 56:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 56:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because, but the audience, it's weird because it's like, it came from a different mic. Like, the cast members are mic'd up. I don't know what happened.

• 56:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, you can't say shit?

• 56:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 56:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought shit was like one of those things that was actually allowed. Like, you can't say fuck, but you could say shit.

• 56:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I don't know. I know you can say bitch. I just think it's so funny because like, what did you expect? That's the phrase.

• 56:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe also the control room was like, well, clearly that was the intended response.

• 56:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 56:54Rayna Greenberg?

  So, obviously, like, it sends.

• 56:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then SNL opened with taking shots at Morgan Wallen, which I thought was so hilarious. I mean, again, we talked about how he posted an Instagram story, "Get me to God's country." I mean, "Get me to God's country" has been trending ever since, but like, he kind of shaded SNL and they shaded him back with, right with their cold open, like, right out of the gate. And I just think that's iconic. Like, they shaded his Instagram story, like, which as they should. Like, someone comes on this show and then gets off the show and shades us, like Chelsea Handler, we're gonna talk about it.

• 57:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I think that they-

• 57:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're well within your right.

• 57:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I think they did exactly what they should have done. No one made Morgan Wallen do that show. That is like the biggest, most famous artist. He didn't need to be on SNL. So to do it, walk off, post that thing, you deserve to get dragged as much as they want to drag you.

• 57:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I just like that they were like, "We're gonna open with it. We're gonna open with tariffs and Morgan Wallen shade."

• 57:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I love it. I love to see it.

• 57:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, guys. Well, I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Snack. GirlsGottaEat.com, you can find us. GirlsGottaEatPodcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess, Raina is Rayna Greenberg. Subscribe on YouTube, share this episode with a friend, and we will see you Monday.

• 58:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 58:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.