Inside the NFL Owner’s Meeting + Gretzky on Ovechkin's Scoring Record, GOATs & NHL Playoffs | EP 141

92%ers welcome back another episode of New Heights, brought to you by our friends at Reese’s and their new PB&J cups. Found wherever candy is sold! On today’s episode, Jason walks us through his time “saving” the tush push at the NFL owners’ meeting, the guys debate if NFL players should play in the Olympics, if more teams should do Hard Knocks, and we decide the greatest discontinued '90s snack of all time. And we have an incredible conversation with NHL legend, The Great One, Wayne Gretzky. We get into everything from how he felt watching Alexander Ovechkin break his career goals record, who’s his favorite team left in the NHL Playoffs, how to be a great sports parent, who is on his GOAT list, the real story behind his barefoot golfing pic with Travis, and so much more! For even more New Heights, check out our New Heights YouTube Membership! As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, bonus videos, badges, and other stuff that will make you stand out. You can also listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow There is still time to vote on the below: Vote New Heights for “Favorite Podcast” https://www.kidschoiceawards.com/vote/favorite-podcast Vote Travis for “Favorite Male Sports Star” https://www.kidschoiceawards.com/vote/favorite-male-sports-star Support the Show: REESE’S: Reese’s new PB&J cups. What’s your jam? Found wherever candy is sold!   AMERICAN EXPRESS: For full terms and to learn more, http://visitamericanexpress.com/withAmexS. KINGSFORD: Grill with Kingsfordhttps://www.kingsford.com/ ALL STATE: Checking first is smart. So, checkhttps://Allstate.com https://Allstate.com/ first for a quote that could save you hundreds. DRAFT KINGS: Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/newheights or through promo code NEWHEIGHTS. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $300 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 6/22/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:29Speaker 02

  The wrongs we must right. The fights we must win. The future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  I've been hit all over the field on a football field. The hardest I've ever been hit in my life is open ice on a hockey rink. Like, you get a hospital pass going where you're looking back and the defenseman can have a clear run at you, man? Oh my gosh. That is gonna hurt. That is going to hurt.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  You never look back. And secondly, you never have a defenseman that bad that passes a puck that bad. Yeah, there you go.

• 2:16Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, The Wondery Show, produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's and their new PB and J cups. All right now, those things sound delicious, don't they? Get them in grape and strawberry, Jason, how about that? We're your hosts, I'm Travis Kelce and my big brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, Heights High alumni, baby, what's good? Shout out to the Heights, shout out to the Bearcats, subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show, with one S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  Oh, we got a great one for you.

• 2:54Travis Kelce?

  Yoo-hoo, we always do.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  We're gonna have some recap of my time at the NFL Owners Meeting, answer some of your not done questions.

• 3:03Travis Kelce?

  Heyo.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  And speaking of great ones, we're gonna have the great one, Wayne Gretzky.

• 3:08Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, baby.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  On the episode today, you're gonna wanna hear that. Stanley Cups are coming to a, to a, what is it, coming to a forefront, right? We're four teams left.

• 3:19Travis Kelce?

  Sure, yeah.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  The Stanley Cup is almost here.

• 3:21Travis Kelce?

  There you go, it's almost here, Panthers one game away, and yeah, we got a, we got a fucking heated battle between Dallas and Edmonton right now.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  I think that means it's time for a little bit of that new news.

• 3:35Travis Kelce?

  New news, let's get right to it, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

• 3:39Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, oh, wait, wait. New news is brought to you by American Express, okay, now you can go.

• 3:44Travis Kelce?

  Let's get right into it, shout out to American Express, Jason, you saved the tush push. Everyone in Philly has been saved, you're like a fucking hero.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  Stop.

• 3:55Travis Kelce?

  Have you ever felt so heroic? You feel like you matter now?

• 4:02Speaker 03

  No, I never feel like I matter, to be honest with you.

• 4:05Travis Kelce?

  Last week, the NFL owners voted and the vote to ban the tush push failed. Jason, did you stand outside the courthouse with a sign that said, tush my push, like I asked?

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Tush my pu- push my tush?

• 4:20Travis Kelce?

  Push my tush.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  No, no signage, I was, I was in the courthouse, I was, I was traversing and talking with the...

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Other owners and committees and people that were in the room.

• 4:33Travis Kelce?

  What did you do? You threaten them? Did you threaten them with like something you would do if you they banned the tush push?

• 4:38Speaker 03

  No, I'm I'm I did not want to piss off any one of these individuals of immense power. I was just there to I was just there to offer my frame of reference on the tush, the pushing of tushes.

• 4:50Travis Kelce?

  Man, I haven't been in a courtroom since I got a jaywalking ticket when I was in middle school. Well, how's the courtroom look in Minnesota?

• 4:58Speaker 03

  It wasn't a courtroom. It was a conference room at the hotel that we were staying at.

• 5:01Travis Kelce?

  Ah, the courtyard.

• 5:05Travis Kelce?

  The old courtyard.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  It was less courtroom and more like legislative room, if that makes sense.

• 5:12Travis Kelce?

  Did they put you on the stand and ask you to so solemnly swear?

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Well, there wasn't a stand. They they just had, they did. I did get up there and was able to. So, okay, let's fast forward. The reason I was there, or flashback, I guess, was because there was a narrative out there that one of the reasons I retired was because of the play or that I somehow felt like the play led to more injuries or was injured because of it. So I was really just there to offer my perspective on that stuff not being true and, you know, the fact that I think it's a relatively safe play. But they, I did go up there and talk after Jeffrey Lurie kind of started things off and got some things.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  He kind of opened everything up and then I kind of dispelled those rumors as well as,

• 6:07Speaker 03

  you know, answer some questions about how the play was run. But for the most part, it was it was just awesome to witness, honestly, the legislative process of the NFL, how the owners vote on it, how these proposals come about. I couldn't help but think like, I can't believe I'm in this room right now, to be honest with you. Like, there's just like hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth just sitting here and.

• 6:28Travis Kelce?

  Did you wear a suit?

• 6:30Speaker 03

  I wore a blazer with boat shoes and slacks.

• 6:37Travis Kelce?

  Okay, okay, that was swagged out.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  I was I was dressed. I was I was looking.

• 6:42Travis Kelce?

  Collared shirt underneath or just like a regular?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  His collar shirt, collar shirt.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Listen, I'm not going to go in there looking like a slob.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Anyways, it was awesome to witness. It was awesome to see how those things kind of take place. And, you know, I really did leave that play, leave the room and the meeting feeling strongly about, you know, how these proposals come about, how the, how the game has changed. And the thought that goes into it, the thoroughness that it, that, that happens between the competition committees and the health and safety, doctors and individuals and Roger and the owners. There's, there's a lot that goes into a lot of these decisions that are made. And it was, it was awesome to just kind of witness something that, in my opinion, has made the, the league better, at least our time in the NFL. So, yeah.

• 7:35Travis Kelce?

  When Roger walked in the room, did they all go, all rise?

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Nope. No, once again, this is not a courtroom. It was not a courtroom.

• 7:43Travis Kelce?

  But there was, there was a jury.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  There's not a jury. There's, this is again legislative, not judicial.

• 7:50Travis Kelce?

  Oh, legislative, not judicial. I forgot there was a difference.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  This is, this is more, you know, they're voting on how they want to proceed in business. So.

• 7:59Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So this is a lot different than a jaywalking ticket.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Much different.

• 8:04Travis Kelce?

  Was there like one owner that kind of like stood out to others? Like one that was just kind of like.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  I think the one that stood out the most was Jeffrey because, you know, obviously, he's been, he's passionate about this. He's, this play has been a big part of the Eagles success and.

• 8:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you guys don't win a Super Bowl.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  I will say, the.

• 8:26Travis Kelce?

  I kid, I kid, I kid.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  The, um.

• 8:28Travis Kelce?

  It's one of the greatest teams ever played.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  The official proposal was not targeting the tush push, so to speak, right? It was a targeting, they just wanted to add in the verbiage that used to be there that you can't assist the runner and push the runner. Right? That was a rule for 60 years. They wanted to go back to that rule. The reason they changed that rule back in the, I think 2016, maybe. Was because it was it was really hard for the officials to decide like, you know, is this guy pushing a defender when it's a pile? Is he pushing the pile? Is he pushing the runner? So they decided to just get rid of the rule of pushing and allow that to happen. And that's when the tush push started. So the proposal was to go back to that. So it's kind of all encompassing any type of pushing. Needless to say, I think that the main reason this is being brought up is because of the tush

• 9:13Speaker 03

  push and the success of it and the notoriety behind it. And I think Jeffrey was just, he's been pretty passionate about trying to get his point across. And I don't want to go into too much of what happened in that room because I don't think it's my place. I think it was kind of crazy. I was even in the room to begin with.

• 9:29Travis Kelce?

  You are the tush push, Jason.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I'm not an owner. It's not called the tush push meetings. It's called the owners meetings.

• 9:36Travis Kelce?

  Did you really make someone cry? Rumor alert, some NFL owners were reportedly moved to tears listening to Jason defend the tush push.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know what account this is.

• 9:47Travis Kelce?

  Well, it's NFL notifications. Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 9:50Travis Kelce?

  NFL notify. It's clearly, it's got a blue check. It counts.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  I can guarantee you that, no, nobody cried. Nobody cried.

• 9:57Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  I'm the crier. Everybody knows I'm the crier.

• 10:00Travis Kelce?

  So you cried in front of everyone talking about the tush push?

• 10:04Speaker 03

  I did not cry in front of this because this was not a moment that warranted crying.

• 10:10Travis Kelce?

  I think it's cool as hell that you did this, man. Obviously, everyone listened to your words and the tush push is still in because Jason Kelce went out there and defended the honor and and Philadelphia's legacy.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  I don't know if anybody's mind changed at all. They needed two more votes to ban it. Except for the proposal, you need 24 votes for the proposal to pass. Yeah, I don't know which of these teams are already in favor. I mean, I know talking to a few of them with even the day of, you could just kind of tell which teams were kind of in your corner. And a lot of them incorporate the offensive lineman pushing downfield or just don't think that the play should get removed for the reasons that are being stated. But listen, I think everybody has legitimacy in how they voted. I think that the reality is this was a rule for a long time in the NFL that you can't assist the runner. Both the competition committee and Dr. Alan Sills suggested that the proposal pass

• 11:09Speaker 03

  and the play be banned, one for health reasons and another for competitive fairness reasons. So I think that there's. You know, a well, not competitive affairs, more just like they want to see that out of the game. They didn't like the pushing of piles and stuff, but I took away from this meeting that all of these owners have good intentions and not just in this proposal, in all the proposals. You know, there was multiple things discussed throughout the meeting and it really did. It was really cool to witness how this process takes place. The owners back and forth over the proposals, um, things that passed, things that got tabled, things that didn't pass. Like, I think at the end of the day, it was just awesome to witness and see how serious each one of these owners take all of these decisions and how it's going

• 11:54Speaker 03

  to affect the game, what could be byproducts of these changes. It was cool to listen and, and be in the room with, because I don't think that in a million years I'll ever be back in that room. So, um, I don't know, it just kind of felt surreal being there.

• 12:07Travis Kelce?

  Until you succeed, uh, Roger Goodell as the commissioner of the NFL, Jason.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think we, we, we could see by my background that that is not going to happen. I can't even, I can't even get the clothes off the floor, uh, floor, let alone.

• 12:22Travis Kelce?

  That background, I thought you were talking about your, your life background.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  I don't really want to touch too much on it because again, I don't know like what's privy to share and like, I don't, you know, listen, mom told us not to kiss and tell, right? So, you know, you, there are some things that, you know, in the Eagles locker room and as a player, you find out like what's good to share. And then as a, in this world, it's like, listen, I don't know. I just wanted to go there and offer my perspective on the play and dispel some rumors that have been being said.

• 12:52Travis Kelce?

  Did you get any cheese curds while you were up there?

• 12:54Speaker 03

  I did not. I was in and out, baby. Unfortunately, I would have loved some cheese curds, some spotted cow.

• 12:58Travis Kelce?

  You're a foodie, dude. You gotta go in there and grab some carriage, man. Get some, get some Minnesota, whatever, dude. You want a Super Bowl in Minnesota, dude.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  I know. Listen, I'm not gonna lie. I got some good vibes in Minnesota.

• 13:10Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  Super Bowl, freaking.

• 13:14Travis Kelce?

  All of America.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Went in the tush push proposal.

• 13:18Travis Kelce?

  There we go. There we go.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  What else? What else?

• 13:20Travis Kelce?

  What else?

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Who I I had a layover in Minnesota once with Delta.

• 13:24Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Gave me some like service where they drive you to the next gate and I didn't even ask for it. I don't even know how that happened.

• 13:29Travis Kelce?

  That's pretty dope. I'm not gonna lie though, walking with like walking through St. Paul.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:34Travis Kelce?

  Airport. I mean, that thing's pretty sweet. They got like a top golf like thing where you can go and like play like simulator golf. While you're waiting on your next flight, eat some wings, take some hacks. Did that with my guy, old David Glover. Shout out to DG.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  David Glover?

• 13:51Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Trainer, trainer in Kansas City, legendary trainer in Kansas City.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  Nice, nice, nice. Happy that it's gonna be around, but I even kinda said this last week. I I think at the end of the day, you know, if it gets banned or not, the Eagles are good at quarterback sneaks. They're gonna continue to run those at a high rate.

• 14:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'm with you. I think people make too much of a fucking buzz about this goddamn play anyways.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 14:11Travis Kelce?

  It's a good play for you guys. You guys do it well. And it will, it will continue to be a good play for you guys.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Thanks, Trev. For at least one more year.

• 14:19Travis Kelce?

  No, dude, then you'll just have to go to the owners meeting again.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  I feel like the Eagles should just not run it this year, just to.

• 14:26Travis Kelce?

  I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's good for the Eagles.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  We were really good with it with Carson.

• 14:33Travis Kelce?

  I'm not saying they they wouldn't be getting QB sneaks. It's just that much better of a play for you guys. Yeah.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  With the push?

• 14:41Travis Kelce?

  You can really see the surge when everybody gets behind him and pushes him.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  I don't think so. I think that surge is happening regardless of the push usually.

• 14:47Travis Kelce?

  I will never know, will we?

• 14:49Speaker 03

  No, we do know. We can see it on the tape and we can see it in before it was a play.

• 14:55Travis Kelce?

  Maybe.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Cause the push never causes the surge. The push just kinda like gets a little bit extra like yardage if it's all piled up. The surge is created by the O line.

• 15:06Travis Kelce?

  It is. It is definitely. The the surge is started by the O line. But then it's got a nice little double surge in there.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 15:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Were you there for all of it or just the tush push?

• 15:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I was there for all of it.

• 15:20Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that's sweet. So you were there for um the Olympic flag football approval?

• 15:25Speaker 03

  Very much so.

• 15:26Travis Kelce?

  Nice. So the NFL is going to allow players to be a part of the Olympic flag football team?

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Yes. We'll see how teams uh individually choose to allow their players. But yes, that is that is a fact. I think it's going to be embraced. I think that everybody realizes this is an opportunity for the game to be on a global stage that it usually doesn't get. And uh it would be awesome if some NFL players are out there representing the USA.

• 15:51Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man, I gotta get I gotta get hip to the rules, man, so I can start to get get ahead of the curve.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Not so fast. I don't know if you saw this, but the there is already a USA flag football team. And apparently these players.

• 16:05Travis Kelce?

  That's what I know. I gotta get hip to the rules.

• 16:08Speaker 03

  These players do not think that NFL players should be playing it. They think they should be playing at it.

• 16:13Travis Kelce?

  Well, I mean, the may the best players play.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  That's my thing. Here's a quote. Let me read this quote first. So from Darryl Dusette, he is the uh quarterback of Team USA Flag Football. This is a sport that we've played for a long time. We feel like we are the best at it. We don't need other guys. Darryl Dusette, the third USA Flag Football quarterback on NFL players potentially playing in the 2028 Olympics.

• 16:36Travis Kelce?

  Is this guy afraid of competition?

• 16:37Speaker 03

  It sounds like it.

• 16:38Travis Kelce?

  Just have a tryout and the best players make the team.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know. So most teams are picked by.

• 16:46Travis Kelce?

  Box boxing out other people from joining the sport because they haven't played the specific style of football?

• 16:53Speaker 03

  So I was, I think most other.

• 16:55Travis Kelce?

  Nobody from Canada can come up here. We got plenty of guys.

• 16:58Speaker 03

  Yes. So I think most other teams in the Olympics aren't tryouts. They are picked by like coaches. They like handpick the team. So tryouts are like more like uh individual sports. So like Team USA Women's Soccer, I don't think that they hold. I could be way wrong on this. I think that those teams are picked. Uh accordingly, I don't think that is as much of a tryout procedure.

• 17:25Travis Kelce?

  I got you.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  I kind of am on board with these guys playing. Let's just have these guys play an NFL team that's picked. And maybe the best team win and represent the USA.

• 17:35Travis Kelce?

  Interesting.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:38Travis Kelce?

  Hmm.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  What do you think?

• 17:40Travis Kelce?

  I wouldn't even know. I mean, if you're right, do they have tryouts for USA teams?

• 17:44Speaker 06

  I did some perplexitying. Doesn't roll off the tongue, but I did it. They do not hold open tryouts for national teams.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Well, this you just did women's soccer.

• 17:55Speaker 06

  I just did women's soccer. I do all we do every sport.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  I just like, can we get to a more, do they have tryouts for teams as opposed to individual sports?

• 18:09Travis Kelce?

  I think that's a good.

• 18:10Speaker 06

  Do they have trials for Olympic team sports?

• 18:13Travis Kelce?

  No open tryouts.

• 18:14Speaker 06

  No open tryouts.

• 18:16Travis Kelce?

  So yeah, like you're saying, so there's a coach and that coach picks who he thinks his best team would be.

• 18:22Speaker 06

  I believe so, yes.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  Oh, like you have to get the invite. So there's Olympic trials, which is what I'm thinking of.

• 18:28Speaker 06

  You're thinking of trials, which is more individual sports.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  But that is also, it says the US is both individual and team. Hold official Olympic trials. They're high level competitions where the best athletes compete for a limited number of Olympic sports. For example, sports like swimming, track and field, gymnastics, and wrestling have see, these are all individual sports that also have team components, though.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  Hmm. Like a relay component sort of, yes.

• 18:55Travis Kelce?

  But keep reading, keep reading.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  The trials are more so for team sports, the process is often a combination of performance in trials, training camps and coach selection. So the the teams are selected after the trials. It's not like you do a trial to get into the team, though.

• 19:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  So it's still that whenever it's a team, it feels like it's a pick. But either way.

• 19:13Speaker 06

  Back to what we're talking about.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Back to this made up scenario that we're talking about on New Heights. I think it'd be cool.

• 19:20Speaker 06

  You've defined the whole show.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  I think it'd be, I really do think it'd be cool if we have, let's just have a team of flag football NFL players play these guys and see if they can win. May the best team win.

• 19:30Travis Kelce?

  I think if I recall in a three on three basketball for, because you know, that was an Olympic. Event this year or this past year. So three on three Olympic basketball. I think they they didn't take the best three. They had like a tournament or something where the the USA team that ended up being like our represented team.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:53Travis Kelce?

  Was like the one that won that tournament essentially.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  How'd they do in the Olympics?

• 19:58Travis Kelce?

  Jimmer Jimmerford that got injured.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Let's let's not copy that.

• 20:01Travis Kelce?

  He got banged up.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  So.

• 20:02Travis Kelce?

  I could be off again though. This is none of this is legit research here.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  All I'm saying is I think I think a coach that is familiar with flag football should select an NFL represented team. And that team should just play this flag football team that's been playing for a long time and feels like they are the best at it and they don't need other guys. And then whoever wins.

• 20:27Travis Kelce?

  This is like a mystery Alaska.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Pretty much.

• 20:31Travis Kelce?

  This is awesome.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  I think it's the best way to figure it out.

• 20:33Travis Kelce?

  One.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Cause I do agree. Like I do agree if these guys are the best, they should represent USA.

• 20:38Travis Kelce?

  100%.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  But I don't think that I I'm pretty. I mean, I've never, I don't know anything about flag football. I feel really confident. They're not the best.

• 20:46Travis Kelce?

  It's we got just some crazy, some guys that can do some crazy stuff with the ball in their hands, man. I understand. Even Darnell, watching Darnell's highlights, I.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  He looks good.

• 20:57Travis Kelce?

  Or Darrell, my bad, my bad, Darrell or Darrell. Darrell dug it. Damn it.

• 21:05Speaker 03

  I think it's Darrell DuSett, if I'm not mistaken.

• 21:07Travis Kelce?

  All right. My bad, Darrell. Even his highlights are fucking epic.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  He doesn't look like Darrell though. He does kind of look more like a Darrell.

• 21:14Travis Kelce?

  Her a darn.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Darrell's gonna have a little bit more thickness to him. You know what I mean? Darrell's.

• 21:21Travis Kelce?

  The Darrell, the Darrell, the Darrells and the heights definitely had.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're a little bit stockier. You know what I mean? Darrell is more.

• 21:30Travis Kelce?

  This dude, he could, he could move around and slide around and you know.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, he's he's.

• 21:35Travis Kelce?

  He can play.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 21:36Travis Kelce?

  He can play. When we think of a quarterback though, we think of somebody that can really sling it around and.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  I think somebody can do both. I think Lamar Jackson. There's no chance.

• 21:45Travis Kelce?

  Lamar would be fuck.

• 21:48Travis Kelce?

  Nobody's catching him. Is that, I want to know.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Lamar is more of a Daryl.

• 21:55Travis Kelce?

  He's stocky now though.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. He's got a little bit of heft to him. He's got a little bit of heft to him.

• 22:00Travis Kelce?

  Like, what if we hold like a combine?

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Dude, I don't, I just think we have the NFL team play these guys and whoever wins goes, that's it. I don't even, I mean, if they're the best team, they should represent us, but I, I feel like if we put Lamar Jackson.

• 22:13Travis Kelce?

  You think it's as easy as putting Tyreek Hill outside and having Lamar just throw a go ball to Tyreek?

• 22:20Speaker 03

  I mean, I think that alone would probably be pretty effective, but I think that it's going to be also more than that because there's other players too that are going to be out there like. I'm trying to like, I, the problem is I don't know flag football that much and I don't know what skills you want, but I feel like just speed is usually pretty good and.

• 22:37Travis Kelce?

  And the NFL has speed.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

• 22:41Travis Kelce?

  Has a lot of it.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Yes. The flag football game in the Pro Bowl, they kept blitzing, Eli's team just kept blitzing and they couldn't stop it because they couldn't avoid the sack. Like you don't have to beat a blocker. So you don't have to be big. You just need to be quick and agile. So linebackers aren't going to be on this team. It's going to be.

• 22:58Travis Kelce?

  It's going to be.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Like the, the defense is going to be very heavily.

• 23:03Travis Kelce?

  Damn it.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, maybe not. Maybe a big body receiver is a mismatch for some of these shorter, quick guys.

• 23:11Travis Kelce?

  Maybe. Do you have to play both sides of the ball?

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Again, these are questions I don't know.

• 23:16Travis Kelce?

  Good point. Let's keep it moving. We have a new award in the NFL.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  We do. We do. I was there.

• 23:21Travis Kelce?

  And Jason, you actually won this award.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  No, we did not. I've, I've never, nobody's ever won the award because it's a brand new award.

• 23:27Travis Kelce?

  No, but you won it.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  I did not win the award.

• 23:30Travis Kelce?

  You're definitely getting a trophy.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Nobody has ever won the award. I do vote on the award. I am one of the select members of the committee that will decide who wins this award.

• 23:38Travis Kelce?

  Dude, you're like two steps away from being commissioner.

• 23:42Travis Kelce?

  Are you kidding me? You're like, you're go, you're projecting in that direction.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Pretty sure that's not going to happen.

• 23:50Travis Kelce?

  Dude, next, next is you'll be in charge of the fines.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Yep. Yeah. Not going to happen.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Case doesn't find anybody all year. Yeah, it's just fun.

• 24:02Travis Kelce?

  Back to this, the protector of the year. Can you, do you have information on how this all began? Or how this all started up?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  Well, I, I'm pretty sure it started. So Andrew Whitworth and Roger were on my late night show in season. And we talked about having an offensive line award. And from that, they kind of put together a list of guys, seeing if they'd be interested in helping kind of give this thing some life. There's a lot of icons of the game and the position that'll vote on this. And the NFL got behind it. It's going to be called the protector of the year. There, it went back and forth on the name. I think at one point it was the shield or something like that. It's very tackle dominant. So they went towards the protector of the year, being the offensive lineman of the year, essentially.

• 24:49Travis Kelce?

  Very cool, man. So, so this will now be at the, the NFL honors.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  It will be.

• 24:53Travis Kelce?

  Honor an offensive lineman, finally.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Yep. Big Andrew Whitworth has been instrumental in, in kind of like leading the charge on this.

• 25:01Travis Kelce?

  So there have been 10 protectors of the year. The last 10 years, they did not, did say who would have won these.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  No, DraftKings just made some weird list. This is not like an official thing.

• 25:13Travis Kelce?

  Well, I think DraftKings should come to you and give you a fucking trophy because you were the best protector in 2021.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  I mean, it's not even my best season. My best season was 2017 by far.

• 25:26Travis Kelce?

  So now you're saying you were better than Andrew Whitworth in 2017?

• 25:30Speaker 03

  I'm definitely not saying that. I think this is going to be an award that is heavily dominated by offensive tackles. Because tackles are more of the limelight of the position. There's also a lot of people that are going to be making the decisions, former tackles. And tackle is just a harder position. Like if you're dominating the tackle, you're freaking getting the job done now. So.

• 25:53Travis Kelce?

  One of the highest paid positions in the league.

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's very difficult and the guys that do it at a high level.

• 25:59Travis Kelce?

  Guys, we're giving these guys way too much money. We gotta get an award for them.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  Hey, should we give Jason Kelce the protector of the year when he doubled a nose guard with the left guard for 80% of the snaps? Or should we give it to Dwayne Johnson who had to one on one block Von Miller like?

• 26:14Travis Kelce?

  Nope. Nick Bosa. The guy that's in the front of the tush push. This play is unstoppable. Why? Because of big old

• 26:24Travis Kelce?

  Hard Knocks news. The Buffalo Bills will be featured in Hard Knocks this year on HBO. Their training camp and it's going to be exciting, you know, finally we get some inside access to what the Bills got going on over there with Josh Allen and the gang and the NFC East will be featured as the in-season edition. So we'll get the entire NFC East. Do we like the picks? Yes, of course. I like all Hard Knocks picks. You can do any fucking team in the, in the league and it's going to be entertaining. Neither of us have done Hard Knocks. No, I haven't. I don't think I've seen Jason do it.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  The only thing we did the one year, Amazon did something similar and I didn't interact with it because it was just like hard to really know what it was. So I kind of like stayed out of it, but Hard Knocks has not done, been done with the Eagles yet. This will be the first year.

• 27:13Travis Kelce?

  Just so everybody knows, each team has their version of what kind of what Hard Knocks is. Like the, the Chiefs have a YouTube series called The Franchise where they do a season long, kind of they, they recap every single week and you get inside access through that. But Hard Knocks is just, you know, the training camp, uh, ins and outs. And I remember growing up, it's not as much this now, but I mean, you see guys get cut, you see guys make the team. It can be, it can be a happy and sad story all in one. So Hard Knocks is always, uh, always interesting shit. And you get to see the characters, uh, that, that are the NFL, like some of these

• 27:56Travis Kelce?

  coaches, some of these, you know, equipment managers and trainers and stuff you get to see inside these teams, um, from a different point of view.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  We do not have, I don't know what the franchise is for you guys. I would say the Eagles have not had any type of exposure like this in the middle of a season. We have our own YouTube channel and stuff, but I don't, this is going to be a whole nother level of, uh, a look into the inner workings of the Philadelphia Eagles, I believe. It always depends on how open the team is to kind of allowing it. And I haven't, I'll be honest, I haven't watched a lot of in-season Hard Knocks. I've always been accustomed to the training camp one. That's what I grew up loving, like the, with the Cincinnati Bengals, the New York Jets with Rex Ryan. I think did the Lions do the first in-season? I remember watching clips of that.

• 28:43Travis Kelce?

  I'm right there with you. I only.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  I've never watched the in-season one. I've only seen clips of the in-season one.

• 28:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  They moved last year to the conference setup instead of just doing individual teams. So last year was the AFC North and this year it's going to be the NFC East. And I think it's a good choice by the league. I think it's going to be a competitive year for the NFC East, even though the Eagles are the favorites coming out. Washington was really good last year. They've improved this offseason. The Giants had a really good draft and it's also just four major teams in huge markets that have a lot of history in the NFL and a lot of animosity towards each other. So I'm going to watch it this year. And I haven't watched, and I like the AFC North. That's my conference. That's what I grew up on in Cleveland, Ohio.

• 29:30Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  But I can't wait to watch this one.

• 29:33Travis Kelce?

  I'm with you, dude. AJ Brown is already out, unfortunately. He retweeted NFL Films account when they announced that the NFC East will be a part of the in-season Hard Knocks. He just said straight up, nope, with a period on it. So and we know AJ isn't about this kind of, he's, he's, he's very, you know, he's, he's not for the flashy inside scoop stuff like.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 29:59Travis Kelce?

  Like a lot of guys are, but I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. He's just not, you could tell he's not a part of the, he's not about that.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Do you think he's saying nope because he's out on being a part of it?

• 30:09Travis Kelce?

  For the battle for the East.

• 30:10Speaker 03

  For the battle for the East.

• 30:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that might be that.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I feel like he's kind of saying like, yeah, there ain't no battle. We're the, we're the reigning champs. That's kind of the vibe I'm getting from it, but maybe not.

• 30:20Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  What do you think?

• 30:23Travis Kelce?

  I think he both feels that there is not going to be no battle for it and also that.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  That's so good. And that's new news brought to you by American Express. All right. Before we get to Wayne Gretzky.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  The great one.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Let's get to some no dumb questions brought to you by perplexity. All right. Discover fast and reliable search with perplexity AI today. Holly halls. If you could bring back one discontinued snack or food from your childhood, and it would taste exactly how you remember it, what would it be? I don't even know if I can remember a discontinued snack or food.

• 31:00Speaker 06

  Here I looked. I looked up a list. I looked up a list on perplexity.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Oh, nice. There we go. Perplexity. Help us out here. Notable discontinued 90 snacks. That's a great. That's a great question. Butterfinger BBs. Those are good. PB crisps. I don't remember those. Choco tacos discontinued.

• 31:16Speaker 06

  Hmm. Sadly.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  I was wondering why they stopped serving them in the ice cream trucks in Seattle. I thought they just weren't selling enough of them.

• 31:25Travis Kelce?

  Wait.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Why would they stop selling those?

• 31:27Travis Kelce?

  Are you talking about the same tacos?

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Choco taco, the frozen ice cream treat?

• 31:33Travis Kelce?

  Is that what it is?

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a frozen ice. It's like ice cream sandwich, but taco. No, it's not a Klondike. It's.

• 31:39Speaker 06

  It's this.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's got like a hard chocolate shell and then it's got like chocolate woven into the vanilla ice cream in the middle.

• 31:45Travis Kelce?

  When did that stop?

• 31:46Speaker 03

  I think that stopped recently because they unless they had a bunch of them stockpiled in the fudgy wudgy carts in Seattle city.

• 31:52Speaker 06

  Discontinued in 2022.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  See, I'm on top of the Choco Taco lore.

• 31:56Speaker 06

  Jesus.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle pies. Don't even remember those. Crystal Pepsi. I think everybody's happy that's gone. Oreos cereal. Don't remember that. Air crisps. Kind of remember that.

• 32:10Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I'm the drink just took me back. Dude, fruitopia.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Fruitopia doesn't exist anymore. I had fruitopia every day.

• 32:18Travis Kelce?

  Every.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  In high school.

• 32:20Travis Kelce?

  Day in middle school. It was when I was chugging fruitopia.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  They said it was discontinued in 2000. Maybe I didn't have fruitopia. I thought I had a fruit punch fruitopia every day. When was it discontinued?

• 32:31Speaker 06

  I'll go back up. Hold on.

• 32:33Travis Kelce?

  It couldn't be 2000.

• 32:35Speaker 06

  Or was it? Uh, it says early two thousands.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  Okay, so it was still there.

• 32:39Travis Kelce?

  It was right before, it was right before.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  It was still there. Okay.

• 32:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, I definitely had it in high school too.

• 32:43Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I'm going through Topia. I used to.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Don't exist anymore. I just had those things like two years ago.

• 32:49Travis Kelce?

  Dunkaroos are bangers too. Gosh damn.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  Stopped in two thousand.

• 32:54Speaker 06

  They could have brought, I think they brought back Dunkaroos for like a limited time. But yeah, they did. They did stop making just the serving of frosting that we used to eat.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Planters cheese balls, Keebler munchums, crispy M and M's, swoops.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna lie, I'm not hating that any of these are discontinued. It's probably.

• 33:14Speaker 06

  Butterfinger BBs were really good.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  They were good, but it's not like I'm that upset about their, them not existing anymore.

• 33:20Speaker 06

  Well, you're an adult man. This is not that.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  Choco tacos I'm kind of upset about because I tried to get one a couple of years ago and they didn't have them. And I was a little bit upset about that.

• 33:29Speaker 06

  They should bring back fruitopia though. It's got real fruit in it. It was healthy.

• 33:36Travis Kelce?

  I remember, I remember going to my mom and asking her in middle school because we used to get a like school lunch. Going to my mom in middle school and be like, Mom, can I get like five dollars a week so that I could get a fruitopia every day? Cause a fruitopia was a dollar at the end. They had one like drink machine, like vending machine and you could go and get a fruitopia.

• 34:04Travis Kelce?

  And uh, instead of like the milk or the water that they were giving us in the lunch line. And it turned into me just going and buying 50 cent honey buns. Like a ridicul- like five dollars worth of fucking honey buns on Monday.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  So good.

• 34:23Travis Kelce?

  And I came home one day with, I like threw my book bag on like the couch or something.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:32Travis Kelce?

  Mom was like, what the fuck is in this bag? Mom didn't swear, but she's like, what the hell is in this bag? She opened up the bag and it was like a grocery. Are you stealing honey buns? From the grocery, from the store? I'm like, no, I'm using the money you gave me.

• 34:51Travis Kelce?

  I'm stocking up so I can have these all day, every day.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 34:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. And that's when my mom stopped giving me five dollars for, for fruitopias. Because I was turning into a big boy.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's a.

• 35:04Travis Kelce?

  Gotta love it. Shout out to mothers. All right. Well, so what's yours? I said fruitopia was my, if they could bring it back, what do you, that I could taste right now too. I could taste the fucking green one, man. It's so good. It's like a kiwi strawberry, some shit. What are you going with?

• 35:20Speaker 03

  I don't know, man.

• 35:21Travis Kelce?

  Dunkaroos are a close second for sure. You're going taco tacos, it sounds like.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll go taco taco.

• 35:27Travis Kelce?

  There you go. Way to get out of there.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  That's it for Notre questions brought to you by perplexity.

• 35:32Travis Kelce?

  Let's get to this Wayne great ski interview.

• 35:36Speaker 03

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• 35:39Travis Kelce?

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• 35:43Speaker 03

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• 35:49Travis Kelce?

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• 35:57Speaker 03

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• 36:02Travis Kelce?

  And if you get the black card, unlock recovery amenities. Uh, plus bring a friend with you every single visit.

• 36:09Speaker 03

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• 36:17Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 36:41Travis Kelce?

  Like bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Uh, oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 36:58Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  I love a water park.

• 37:02Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one, Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship, not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade. So that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 37:19Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 37:31Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 37:34Speaker 03

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• 37:39Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 37:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  My mouth specifically?

• 37:53Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Right. Yeah. All the nasty stuff. But the good news is you can prevent these problems before they start with Colgate Total Active Prevention. It's like having a good offensive line for your mouth.

• 38:15Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, exactly. With twice daily brushing, Colgate Total prevents oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 38:31Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Colgate Total is like having a full playbook in your bathroom, working to help prevent oral health problems before they start.

• 38:41Travis Kelce?

  Get Colgate Total on Amazon today.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  This is the longest one I've ever had to do, so just be prepared. Okay?

• 38:50Speaker 03

  All righty, our guest today is one of the favorite athletes of all time. For both of us, this is a true honor. 15 time NHL All-Star, nine time NHL MVP, 10 time scoring champion, two time Con Smythe Trophy winner, four time Stanley Cup champion, still holds the records for most points and assists in a career, most goals, assists, and points in a single season.

• 39:14Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  Nearly 60 other NHL records.

• 39:19Travis Kelce?

  God damn.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  He is a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, member of the Order of Canada, the first player to ever have his number retired league wide. God damn, these are a lot of stats. He is the star of the greatest hockey game Travis and I have ever had the joy of playing. Please welcome the great one, Mr. Wayne fucking Gretzky.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  What to say after that?

• 39:51Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely epic, man.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  That's the only way I scripted it, but well done.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Well, that felt like it took forever, but it could have taken so much longer. I mean, you, the amount of records you hold in the NHL record books is truly remarkable.

• 40:07Travis Kelce?

  Unbelievable.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Do you have one that like you means the most to you? Like which of all of your records are you the most proud of? If that's easy.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Well, then first of all, I, it's a pleasure for me to be here on your show. I love you guys. And it's an honor for me to be part of, be with you guys for a day. So thank you again very much.

• 40:27Travis Kelce?

  Oh my gosh. The man.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  As you guys know, being a professional athlete is such a thrill. And anytime you get any record, it's a thrill and it's an honor. And so for me, each and every one was felt the same. But if I had one record that I cherish the most is the record that I think is going to be hardest to break. And that was I scored 50 goals in 39 games. And I think for somebody to get 38 games, as you guys know, the athletes get better every year. The equipment's better, the coaching's better, training's better. It's just sports is better today than it was, but that's not knocking what we did back in the seventies and eighties and nineties. 20 years from now, it's going to be better than today. So I'm proud to hold my records.

• 41:11Travis Kelce?

  Heck yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  50 goals and what is 30?

• 41:13Travis Kelce?

  That is insane.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh.

• 41:15Travis Kelce?

  Did you just feel unstoppable that year? I mean, just everything you sent at the net went in?

• 41:22Speaker 04

  So the record was 50 and 50. And then Mike Barkley came along and he tied the record 50 and 50. He scored two goals in the last seven minutes in his 50th game to get 50 and 50.

• 41:34Travis Kelce?

  Epic.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  And I remember watching it and seeing his face and the jubilation and the joy he felt. So I was driving to the rink with my roommate and I had 45 goals in 38 games. I was a little more edgy than normal heading to the arena. And my buddy turned to me and he said, are you okay? And I said, you know, I just thought of this. If I don't get 50 and 50 now, people are going to say I choked.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  So I'm thinking before the game, I'm thinking during the game, I'm like, gosh, I gotta get to the 50 and 50 here. I'm gonna look like a miserable fool.

• 42:10Travis Kelce?

  There's no way.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Goals, I got three goals. All of a sudden I had 49 goals. And I'm like, all right. And I scored the 50th goal. My buddy turned to me and he said, well, I guess you don't have to worry about that 50.

• 42:24Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man. Recently, and Alexander Ovechkin, ironically, just around the same amount of games, just, you know, past you and most career goals ever scored. And it was, it was awesome to see you show that respect and that class to him. When you set that record or at the end of your career in 99, did you ever expect that that thing could be touched?

• 42:46Travis Kelce?

  Like, it was mind blown that anybody is even around that realm, man.

• 42:50Speaker 04

  No, no, we all hope not. But listen, do I remember the night I broke Gordie Howe's record? Or the night before, I was having dinner with my dad and I said to my dad, I said, you know, in some ways, I'm kind of embarrassed because it's a different era and a different time from when Gordie played. And he was such an icon and he was my idol. In some ways, I'm feeling kind of guilty. I'll never forget my dad saying, listen, you just have the same dignity and respect that Gordie Howe has for you because he's truly happy for you. So when somebody breaks your record, you be as classy as Gordie Howe. And I remember I looked at my dad and I said, well, can I just enjoy it for a little bit?

• 43:29Travis Kelce?

  Already talking about getting broken.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  I had so much fun. The NHL took care of my wife and I, we flew up there. We were at the game. I remember saying, gosh, playing Chicago tonight, he might get three tonight. We gotta go. He got two goals and tied it. My good friend is the assistant coach, Kirk Muller, went for dinner after the game. And I said, why didn't Ovechkin go on the ice in the last minute? You had the empty net. You were one of the coaches. Why didn't you put him out there? And he said, we tried to. And he said he didn't want to break the record on an empty net goal. So showed you the class that he has, which was wonderful. So we got to go to Manhattan, spend a couple of days there. My son lives in New York. So we spent a few days in Manhattan, got to see him play on the island. And when he did score the goal, part of me was like, gosh, I was kind of looking forward to going back to Washington. They

• 44:18Speaker 04

  were playing Thursday that week. We started going to hockey games, you know, like no stress, no pressure. We knew eventually he was going to break the record. And he's just a wonderful young man. And I think that his ownership group, Ted Leonis and the hockey club and the coaches and his teammates and all the teammates he played with over all his years. He's just, he deserves the record and good for him. He's meant so much for hockey and Washington, for the NHL and of course in his own country, Russia. So I'm proud and privileged that he broke it. And I'm happy that I can say he's a good friend.

• 44:50Travis Kelce?

  Man, that is such a cool story. You see, just to hear how much class and respect is in the NHL and, and you guys have been doing it right. I believe his, uh, his rookie year, you were the coach of the Coyotes.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:01Travis Kelce?

  And Ovechkin, he scored the, the goal in 2006. How crazy is that to come full circle?

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Somebody asked me the other day, they said, when did you realize Ovechkin had a chance to break your record? And he said, when I was coaching against, I think his first year.

• 45:16Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 45:16Speaker 04

  Went through the whole team twice and scored on his rear end, on his back.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  I'm looking around going, what, what just happened? And not did he beat players, he beat some good players, like some, he beat some NHL guys and he beat a good goaltender. So, hey, listen, you know, that's what makes sports wonderful, right? When you, you think, oh my God, can we get any better? Then another guy comes along, you go, wow, that guy's phenomenal. And then every sport's the same, whether it's football or basketball, hockey, baseball, and we just sit back as fans and go, you know, this is wonderful. This is great. We get to watch, we have bleacher seats here and we get to adore these athletes. Look at Katelyn Clark, how she's kept.

• 45:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  Just taken over the country, for that matter, maybe the world. And how she's, she's encouraged so many young girls now to participate in sports, whether it's basketball or soccer or volleyball. My dad used to always say, the greatest thing about sports is that you learn so much about real life. You learn how to be unselfish. You learn how to be dedicated. You learn how to work hard. You learn how to win. And then you learn how to pick yourself up off the ground when you lose. And that's what life is all about. And so I just have. So much respect for so many of these athletes that come along now and as a fan, I just love it.

• 46:36Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Absolutely. And I think we both can speak to this, you know, we didn't really know what hockey was that much growing up at first. And I think what you guys brought in that era, in particular, you growing the game. I mean, it became so much bigger in the United States at that time. And it caused both of us to start getting, I mean, started making movies about it. Slapshot came out, then they had the kids movie with the Mighty Ducks and all of a sudden, everybody's playing hockey.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, hockey has grown so much. I would say this like Gordie Howe and Bobby Hall and Bobby were they were the sort of the golden age of the sixties and early seventies.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  And then, you know, the Islanders were so special in New York. And then, you know, I got traded to LA and everybody goes, you know, like, did you go to LA to help grow this sport? And I really didn't. I went to LA because I thought, okay, this is going to be really good. I'm really excited to play in LA. I want to be part of growing the franchise and helping hockey. But I didn't realize at the time when I went to LA that Steve Isnerman was in Detroit and Mario Lemieux was in Pittsburgh and Brett Hall was in St. Louis and Mark Messier was in New York.

• 47:46Travis Kelce?

  Legends.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Not only are all those guys really good players, but they were incredible off the ice, too. And they had charisma and they loved the game. So we had this big wave that kind of went all at once. And it was a perfect storm, right? And then all of a sudden, the Mighty Ducks came in. I'll never forget, Michael, the eyes there having dinner with them one night and he said, you know, I'm going to have an NHL team called the Mighty Ducks. I remember looking at him going, you gotta be crazy.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  Mighty Ducks. Well, it kind of says to me, you know, he probably is the number one marketing man in the world. I think he knows what he's doing.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, right?

• 48:22Speaker 04

  He knew what he was doing.

• 48:23Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah. Nothing was better than the than the nineties, though, and seeing you guys, the names you just threw out there, Messier, Lemieux. I mean, you name it, man. You guys had that thing rocking and rolling, especially for two young guys like us out of Cleveland, Ohio. We didn't even have a team. So we were just fans of the game and the league, uh, league wide.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I played an exhibition game in Cleveland. I can't even remember what year it was, but it was somewhere between 87 and 91. We played an exhibition game.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Gund Arena?

• 48:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, Gund Arena in Auburn. Cleveland Barons, remember those guys?

• 48:57Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah, we know the Cleveland Barons real well.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  Dennis Marook was their go to guy in those days.

• 49:04Travis Kelce?

  That's too good, man. How about the shout out to the Barons, baby? We had, we had a coach that actually played for the Barons for a little bit. We gotta ask, man, do you have, you have so many good nicknames. Do you have one that you just, you chuckle at or you like the most? Or you got the great one. We, we found out that one of your early nicknames was the White Tornado?

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Not gonna lie, that's pretty good.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Cause I wore white gloves.

• 49:28Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  I was playing well and I went to this tournament in Quebec City and they drew really well. We were drawing 15,000 people game to watch us play and I wore white gloves and somebody wrote in French, he's the White Tornado.

• 49:45Speaker 04

  My dad hated that one. He hated the great one. I think my favorite nickname is Doc and the golf world through Dustin and all his friends. I've known anywhere at a golf course as Doc. And one of the things I said was I, I became an honorary doctor to the University of Alberta.

• 50:01Travis Kelce?

  Very cool.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  I remember I seen somebody one day, you know, Dr. Bus wasn't really a doctor, but he's an honorary doctor and they call him Dr. Bus.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  Can somebody call me Doc?

• 50:17Speaker 04

  My kids even call me Doc.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  So that's probably my favorite.

• 50:23Travis Kelce?

  That's a good one. Forever call you Doc, big guy.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  For sure. Let's shift to the current Stanley Cup playoffs right now. Four teams left. We obviously, we got Edmonton leading two to one. The Panthers are up three nothing on the Hurricanes. Who do you think is going to shape up into the, be, is it going to be a finals rematch?

• 50:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, listen, I want you to know, I'm the only guy at TNT on that panel that picked Edmonton to get to the finals.

• 50:48Travis Kelce?

  Are you? Hey, there you go.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  One right now. I picked Tampa Bay from the East, but part of my pick at that point in time was Tchuk was hurt and he's such a. Big part of the success of the Panthers, and I wasn't sure he was coming back, but he's such a great player and such a good team player for that team.

• 51:07Travis Kelce?

  Tough guy, man.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Listen, you guys know how it is. When you win a championship, it's hard to knock off the champions. I mean, they know how to win. They know what it takes. They focus. They know how to keep the distractions away. Now, I will say this. Edmonton learned a great lesson last year, losing in the finals. They'll be a little bit different, a little bit more prepared in some of the things that won't be surprises off the ice. But they still got to get through Dallas because Dallas is so well coached. Branton and Drake, this kid is a tremendous hockey player. Their goaltender Ottinger is really good. They're big. They're well coached. That series, I still think is going to go seven games. Florida looks like they're in

• 51:50Speaker 04

  a great position. They win tonight. They're going to get a nice break. As you guys know, you get those breaks. It's more mental than physical. Sometimes you get that mental break, right? And so Florida, they regroup. They know what it takes to win. They know how many days they have off before they play the first game. Again, they're well coached, well managed. I'd be hard pressed not to think that it won't be a rematch of Florida Edmonton. The difference is this year Edmonton would have home ice advantage, which in the playoffs, four to seven is a big difference.

• 52:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Hell, yeah. I'll tell you what, man. That back and forth that they talked about last year going seven games or whatever from Edmonton all the way down to Miami and like that time difference is like a seven hour flight. It's absolutely ridiculous.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  It's crazy, but I'll tell you something even crazier. Times have changed. In 87, we played the Stanley Cup Finals, seven game series, Edmonton, Philly, and we flew commercial, the Edmonton Oilers.

• 52:53Travis Kelce?

  No way. You're like sitting in coach.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  The next morning after game two, we flew from Philadelphia to Toronto, Toronto Edmonton, went to the arena, practiced, but we didn't know any different. We loved it.

• 53:08Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 04

  Like, you know, what else are you gonna do? We didn't think we were being treated any worse or poorly. We loved it. We were all together. We, it was just part of our life, right? We had no complaint whatsoever. And in those days, if you sit in the middle of the airplane, you know, they had smoking sections in those days.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Playing guys, you know, choking, saying, oh, my gosh.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Open their eyes, getting out on the ice. But that was, all the teams did it. That's the way we, that's, we didn't know any different, right? It was fine.

• 53:43Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, whenever we go, uh, whenever we go overseas, or we do like an international game, a lot of the international, like, travel, you gotta go through international customs. So you're going through the main concourses of a lot of these big airports, uh, overseas. And, um, I'll tell you what, man, some of the best memories and stuff are after you win a game and you get to go enjoy walking through the concourse, joking around with all the guys. I can, I can, I can see that being a hell of a time, especially if you're in the, if you're playing for the cup, like, it doesn't matter how you, you get bust there and back, you know?

• 54:16Speaker 04

  No, we, we didn't, we didn't complain one second. We were loving it. We're all together. And I wouldn't have traded it into the world.

• 54:24Travis Kelce?

  That's cool.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  You're right. Florida Edmonton is a lot of travel.

• 54:28Travis Kelce?

  It's crazy. It's like an eight hour flight.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  And not to mention if Florida gets off the plane, they gotta go against McDavid and Dreisilo.

• 54:34Travis Kelce?

  It's the fastest guys ever, yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  Let's go, baby.

• 54:38Travis Kelce?

  It's something different watching hockey in person than watching it on TV. Um, and, and I'll tell you what, I went to a Stars playoff game last year and seeing, seeing the action and seeing how fast those guys are, man, it is, it's mind blowing.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  It, it is so unique.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  I always say the, our sport, if you watch it one time in person, you're gonna sit there, sit back and go, oh my gosh, I didn't know it was like that. When I retired in 99, we had two more children. And about the age of eight, and we were in Thousand Oaks, California, not a lot of hockey out there. And about the age of eight, my son said, can we go to a hockey game? So I called my friend Luke Robitaille, and he got us seats on the ice, my wife and I, and my son and a friend. And that, you know, on the ice, how big and fast they are, like they run around, and it's physical, like your sport. Crazy. It's, it's more physical than people even see or believe.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  My son got up and he turned to my wife and he said, be really honest, did my dad really play in this league?

• 55:44Speaker 04

  It's a whole different level when you're there.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  We respect the players that we've got there. I don't know if you guys follow the Winnipeg-Dallas series really close, and it was physical, and you had to be a man to play in that series. And unfortunately, one of the players on Winnipeg's father passed away the night before game six. But one great thing about our sports is the handshakes after a series. But the pure compassion that the players had for him and his family was incredible, because they just spent the last six games trying to kick the crap out of each other. And to see the emotions and the true emotions of, you know, hey, it's a game, but we're family and friends. That's what's really important in life and, and in sports. And so it was really great to see

• 56:33Speaker 04

  and be part of. I was there and I thought it was so emotional.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I mean, I can believe it. There's two things you touched on that I think have always been true for me with hockey. And one of them is, I've been hit all over the field on a football field. The hardest I've ever been hit in my life is open ice on a hockey rink. Like, you get a hospital pass going where you're looking back and that defenseman can have a clear run at you, man. Oh, my gosh. That is gonna hurt. That is going to hurt.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  You never look back. And secondly, you never have a defenseman that bad that passes a puck that bad.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  But I always said this, I never played football. But I always, I would watch the games my son played in California and it was always fun because Joe Montana was always at the games, his son and my son played together. I could sit with Joe and nobody ever bothered me at the games because Joe was there, everybody wanted to talk to Joe, but just to watch the game. And the one thing that I see the difference in hockey and football, they're both physical, but in hockey, you kind of knew where the guys were. In football, guys come out of nowhere to hitch it from the side. At least we know where the guys are. There's only four of the guys coming at you or five guys. You had 11 guys that are trying to get you. Half of them, you don't know where they are. And that's what always amazed me about football.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  That's right. You gotta have that head on a swivel.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  You talked about the guys in the Winnipeg and Dallas series and like hockey has much, so such a culture to it that is just, everybody is truly, I don't even know how to describe, but I felt like it was like they were even growing up. There's such a tight knit culture to the sport, to the NHL. Like you're waiting around to go to Ovechkin's time when he's going to break your goal. And it does, it just, that's something I've always appreciated about the sport. Even growing up, the parents, like it feels like there's like just a culture to the sport that, that, that is inclusive to everybody and just, I don't know. Yeah.

• 58:28Travis Kelce?

  You got guys throwing haymakers on the ice at each other, then afterwards shaking each other's hand. There's so, there's such a class and respect, but such a toughness to, to defending and being there for your teammates.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  People ask me, sometimes I don't even have the answer because I, I, I watch these guys and a lot of them, I'm very proud to say I don't have any enemies of players I played with or against. And I would think that I would help to try to do anything for guys that were ex-players. We're all eventually alumni. That's the one thing we have in common. I used to do a fantasy camp in Vegas and I was, I had a friend there one day and I had all these guys, I, I bring in 14 NHL guys and I put three, two or three of them on each team. So that the campers could get a chance to hang around with them, see how they work, see, get to know them personally. And it was just remarkable. And one day I said to my buddy I grew up with, I said, come here, I want to show you this locker room.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  And I had like Chris Chelios in there, Marty McSorley and Shane Corson, all these guys.

• 59:29Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man. So cool.

• 59:31Speaker 04

  And I said, you know, it's amazing, those guys fought each other for 15 years, not like one time in their careers, but they fought each other and whacked each other. Every time I see Chris Chelios, I say, how are we doing? I said, well, good. My wrist isn't as sore as it was last time we saw you.

• 59:47Speaker 04

  But I was hockey, you know, you battling to try to win.

• 59:51Travis Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  When it's all said and done, we're on the same page. We're all trying to help each other, do things for each other and help this person's charity or that person's charity. And that's what makes our sport so wonderful. But that starts back in the 60s and 50s from guys like Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr. And then they pass it on, right? And the guys pass it on. 20 years from now, their kids are going to be saying, I remember Crosby and Ovechkin. I remember McDavid. You know, those guys really showed me the way. And that's the way hockey is. Our culture's always been like that. I'm very proud of it.

• 1:00:25Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely. That's awesome, man.

• 1:00:28Speaker 07

  They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break. Did you need 15 seconds away from music or 15 seconds to eat a Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's.

• 1:00:44Travis Kelce?

  We mentioned that you were the coach for the Coyotes. How much different is it trying to coach and not necessarily have the, the ability to go out there and, and, and make things happen, but try and just like be a coach, be a leader. What was the biggest difference in terms of leading a team in that, in that aspect outside of just not being able to get out on the ice with the guys?

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Well, listen, first of all, I loved coaching and I had tremendous group of older guys like my captain Shane Doan and my goaltender was Curtis Joseph.

• 1:01:16Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  And guys like Joe Blatsky. They were just wonderful guys. I never one time ever said, gosh, why can't you do this? Or didn't you see that? I didn't even do that with teammates. I had one teammate that always said to me, every time we'd come off the ice, he said, Gretchen, you didn't see me. I was wide open. Gretchen, you didn't see me as wide open. Finally, I said, if I see you, trust me, I'm gonna give you the puck.

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  I started calling him 7-Eleven.

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  That guy, I said, he's always open. Every time I come off the ice.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  I want you to score as badly as you want to score. So if I see you, I'll get you the puck. So I never really overly concerned about, I wish that guy could do that. I kind of, I loved coaching. I loved helping kids become better professional athletes and professional hockey players. I truly enjoyed it. It's, you know, I've tried everything in hockey. I was a player. I was fortunate enough to run Team Canada in 2002. We won a gold medal in Salt Lake City. It was one of the great thrills of my life. I played in the Olympics in 1998 in Nagano, Japan. Unfortunately, we didn't win, but it was such a great experience. And staying in

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  the Olympic Village, we had so much fun being with all the other athletes, curling, figure skating.

• 1:02:43Travis Kelce?

  I can only imagine, man.

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  It was like going back to high school, right?

• 1:02:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  My point is, if you get asked to be on the flag football team, do it. You're gonna love it.

• 1:02:54Travis Kelce?

  I gotta find it. Even if, even if I'm just like a assistant coach or something, I gotta get in there somehow.

• 1:03:00Speaker 04

  The greatest thrill of being part of the Olympic Games you're ever gonna have. I mean, it truly, it will be, if you get a chance to play, if they ask you to play, do not turn it down. Trust me. And stay in the village. It's overwhelming.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 1:03:15Travis Kelce?

  Noted.

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  All right. We want to start here with you growing up and your dad, because I speak for Travis and I, our father has been such a huge inspiration for us in our lives. It was so impactful in us just having joy for sport and competing.

• 1:03:30Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  He was there every step of the way. He was our baseball coach.

• 1:03:33Travis Kelce?

  He fielded.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  So involved. And the stories of your dad and his involvement in the backyard ice rink, like, first of all, how did the backyard, how did the backyard ice rink come about? Like, where did that even come from?

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  Well, it's interesting because everybody thinks and my dad built this backyard hockey.

• 1:03:51Travis Kelce?

  That's the legend, yeah.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  That's not true. Some folks came from, one came from Minsk, Belarus. My grandmother came from Ukraine. They met in Manitoba, Winnipeg, moved to Southern Ontario, and they bought this farm in 1924. And farm had a river that ran through the back. At two and a half years old, I started skating on this frozen river. Well, my dad would take me out there on Saturdays and Sundays when he wasn't working, and I would skate all day on Saturday and Sunday. So then, as I got a little bit older, three and four, he'd take me to the park. They had these outdoor parks. And I would skate for hours. At that time, I'm not in school yet. You didn't start school until five years old or six years old.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  So my dad got mad one day. He was so cold that he decided, look, I'm going to build a rink in the backyard and I can sit in the kitchen and drink my hot tea. I'm not a creep. So every, every late November, early December, when it first started to snow, my dad would say to my mother, listen, go over to Woco, the store, and buy me a sprinkler head. And my mom would say, you're an idiot. If you think I'm going to go ask for a sprinkler head in December when it's snowing, they're going to think I belong in the home.

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  My dad would go over to get his sprinkler, and he'd put it at the middle of the yard, and it'd go back and forth for an hour. He'd move it, move it around, and he'd make the ice oval. Six, seven inches thick. We'd have the best ice and I'd skate all winter on this backyard rink. And it was just,

• 1:05:24Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that's so cool.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  It wasn't a necessity. It wasn't to make me a better player or make me an NHL player. But the ironic thing about it was he was the worst handyman around.

• 1:05:35Travis Kelce?

  We know a guy.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  We'd have the greenest grass and the thickest, greenest grass. People would stop and say, Walter, how, how did you get your grass like that? What, what are you putting on there? And my mom would just shake her head.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  It just comes from freezing in the winter time and you're gonna, I don't, for some reason it works. So that's how I started and like your dad, my dad took me to every practice, took me to games and he did the same thing. I had three sibling brothers. He took my brothers, he took them to practice baseball. I played box lacrosse, track and field. I don't think my mom and dad ever missed. They were at some, one of them was at either a practice or a game 98% of the time.

• 1:06:17Travis Kelce?

  That's so good.

• 1:06:18Speaker 03

  One of the things you talked about, I think it was in the masterclass thing I saw you do with about your dad was not only you didn't just play hockey. I feel like that's unique to a lot of hockey players now. All they do is they just play one sport, but you played baseball, you played box lacrosse, like you did everything. How much do you think that that enabled you to be a better hockey player at the end of the day?

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  I don't think, I don't think there's any question without all that. I wouldn't have been a player I began. Track and field helped me build my endurance. I used to be a long distance runner. Box lacrosse taught me how to, you know, avoid body checks and cross checks or roll after them. Baseball, you know, baseball was, was my favorite sport as a kid, actually. And you have to be such a thinking man. You have to be one step ahead of that pitch. You gotta, you know, if you're playing shortstop or you're playing third base or you gotta know where you're gonna throw the ball if it's hit to you. If you're playing, if you're in first base and your, your guy's bunting, you gotta know when to go. So you're always thinking and anticipating in baseball. And I tell parents this all the time that all those sports helped my hockey. Now, in those days,

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  they didn't play as much hockey in the off season. And I feel bad for some of these kids because their parents are thinking they're getting left behind because their son, their friend's son is skating all summer. That's not the case. I think all these sports help you. And then when you get to be 15, 16, you say, you know what? I want to be a football player or I want to be a hockey player. Then you make that decision.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  I don't think you just throw everything away at the age of 10, 11, concentrate on one sport. I, I just, I'm not a big believer in that. And I feel bad for some of these parents who can't afford to have their son or daughter play all year.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  That think that, think they're getting left behind. Trust me, they're not getting left behind. They're gonna be fine.

• 1:08:03Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it feels like a lot of times these parents get caught up in the moment and it's like, no, no, we're building this thing for the future. Really just not, I mean, chances are nobody's gonna play in the NHL. We're just trying to, we're just trying to build the most all around athlete and well centered or human being, right?

• 1:08:19Travis Kelce?

  Whoever's having fun doing this, yeah.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  My boys grew up in California and it wasn't a lot of hockey in Thousand Oaks area, but my son played baseball and I would go to practice and I, you know, you go to the games and you saw these parents and I'd be sitting there going, oh my gosh, just hope that your son turns out okay. Just hope that maybe he gets a college scholarship.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  This is one of the hotbeds of the baseball country.

• 1:08:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  Four kids that have made Major League Baseball.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  Let's not get too far into it.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  A professional athlete and I know firsthand, I, I went through it and you guys know firsthand. It's hard to become a professional athlete and you gotta learn to be a good person, be a good teammate. And then if you can get a college scholarship, hey, after that, everything's gravy. That's the way I look at it.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:09:08Travis Kelce?

  Man, you, you keep mentioning, uh, not a lot of hockey out there in California and I, all I keep picturing is the Pro Beach Hockey League. Do you remember when this thing hit? As a kid, as a kid, that was the, one of the coolest leagues ever. They had crazy jerseys. They had the whole arena right there on the beach.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  It was pretty cool. I gotta admit, they did a spectacular job. I had some friends who were actually playing in that league.

• 1:09:33Travis Kelce?

  No way.

• 1:09:34Speaker 04

  And went down to watch a game one day and they said, wow, this is pretty good hockey.

• 1:09:38Travis Kelce?

  It's rocking, yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 04

  I, I was like, uh, very impressed about the whole style of it, the wholesale pitch, the, the game itself. I thought it was pretty cool. You know, Chris Jelley was a Hall of Famer. He didn't even ice skate till the age of 13. He grew up, uh, inline skating.

• 1:09:54Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Travis Kelce?

  That's crazy.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  I would tell parents, listen, financially, it's tough to be a hockey parent. At the age of eight, nine and 10, if your son or daughter is inline skating, it's gonna be fine. You're, you're not falling behind, trust me.

• 1:10:08Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. My mom said that was one of the best decisions, uh, I ever made for was. In high school instead of continuing to play hockey and her having to buy all this equipment and especially at the rate, especially at the rate me and Jason were growing.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:10:24Travis Kelce?

  It was like, it was like mid-season, we'd, we'd change out skates for a new size.

• 1:10:28Speaker 04

  You guys went through two pairs of skates in one year.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  And it's not even just the price of the equipment. You gotta wake up at like five in the morning to go to ice time. You're traveling. We went, we went to Canada to go play hockey tournaments. Not many parents can foot, foot the bill for it, but it's, it's a tremendous sport.

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  That, that's the hardest thing. I, I see it in Florida because we live a lot of the time there. And I see it in, in California. These parents are so dedicated. These mothers, they don't get enough credit. Look at Auston Matthews, his folks in Phoenix getting up four in the morning and practicing and then playing in the league. Can you imagine at 11 years old, you're in a league in Phoenix that you're playing against Detroit, Chicago, Dallas, Denver. I'm like, they're traveling more than the Phoenix Coyotes.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  It was crazy. I'm like, oh my goodness. So the parents, they deserve such credit for like hanging in there and backing their sons or their daughters and just, it's, it's incredible, really.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Our dad has always credited hockey with both of us, making both of us good athletes.

• 1:11:34Speaker 04

  Well, there you go.

• 1:11:36Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah. 100%.

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  He's like the late, the leg strength, the, the speed of the game, all of it. He, he raves about it.

• 1:11:42Travis Kelce?

  Understanding angles and I mean, you name it.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  And I will say the best, some of the best football players are changing direction because you get used to going on edges on the ice. Those guys are always going to change in direction on a football field too. Alrighty, we're going to ask a bunch of questions. This is called, we gotta ask. Feel free to not answer them. Tell us to fuck off, whatever you need. Alright. Alright. Favorite, uh, parting with the Stanley Cup story. Which one you got?

• 1:12:09Speaker 04

  Oh, the very first one. Uh, we're in the locker room. Nobody knew what to do with the Stanley Cup because nobody had ever won it before. I was sitting there with my dad and my little. Buddy, this, the stick boy Joey that's famous now in Canada.

• 1:12:24Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  And I said, what to do with the Stanley Cup? And he goes, you guys want to take it? And so we took it everywhere. And now every time I see Phil, who guards the Stanley Cup, I said, we got you that job.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Living probably around the world protecting the cup. So that's probably my favorite Stanley Cup story.

• 1:12:47Travis Kelce?

  That's so good. Jason actually had the cup right there where he's sitting in his living room.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Oh, cool.

• 1:12:53Travis Kelce?

  I was so fricking jealous, man. Lord Stanley.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  It's even more beautiful in person. Oh, my gosh.

• 1:12:58Travis Kelce?

  Did you eat or drink out of it?

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. You always take a sip out of the Stanley Cup, right?

• 1:13:03Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 1:13:04Speaker 03

  Got to.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  One of the great days I had was, of course, times have changed. In the eighties, I called the Hall of Fame one day and I said, hey, I'm at home in my hometown. My grandmothers are coming over and my mom's doing a barbecue in the backyard. Can you bring the cup down? And they drove the Stanley Cup down.

• 1:13:21Speaker 04

  Nobody really was around except my folks, my family. And it was actually pretty cool. That was back in the day where it was a little less crazy, right?

• 1:13:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Sure. Should more sports include fighting?

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:13:38Travis Kelce?

  We were talking about hockey is unique in that aspect where it's not going to just take over the game. It's like, it's more of a, yeah, it's more of a out of respect thing and a, and a tone setter than it is if you, if you add fighting and other sports. I mean, guys, it's literally just going to get turned into a.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  You don't need it. Somebody one time asked me, is fighting in hockey real? And I said, well, if there wasn't, I'd be in more of them.

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  You know, we don't need the fighting. No.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  You said you were a long distance track and field runner. Is that what you said?

• 1:14:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  Well, we had this clip. Brandon, we got the clip ready?

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  I know where you're going to.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  This ain't a long distance race.

• 1:14:19Travis Kelce?

  And you were out the game.

• 1:14:23Travis Kelce?

  Look at the white tornado go, baby.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:14:28Travis Kelce?

  Give that man the football on a sweep, baby. Let's see, let's see what he can do.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  Funny story behind that. You had to, if you weren't asking me to do this, it was his charity and his thing. And I said, oh, I'm awful at that stuff, but I'll come, I'll do it. And the other five events, I had no chance. I think there was an obstacle course and whatever. And I remember I said to my dad, I was there, I said, geez, I better do well in this race because I'm going to come last in every other event.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  In every other event, I wasn't very good. I think there was a bike ride and an obstacle course. I can't remember, but I wasn't very good.

• 1:15:06Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 1:15:07Travis Kelce?

  That is awesome, man. Yeah, you smoked them. Well, we gotta, gotta give you a shout out. Have you ever played your, at your game? We, me and Jason played this game our entire lives.

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  I played it, yeah.

• 1:15:18Travis Kelce?

  We still, we still, we'll, we'll, we call it Wayne Brewski now. We'll play it and we'll, we'll make it a drinking game, man.

• 1:15:26Travis Kelce?

  How did this, how did this even come about? Did you, like, were you, were you a video game guy? Or did it just kind of come to your table and you're like, yeah, let's do it?

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  Crazy enough, one of my really close friends, a wonderful man who unfortunately passed away. It was his company. He came to me. We played a lot of golf together. And I said, honestly, I said, Jack, I don't know a lot about this stuff. We, I think we won New York Times Video Game of the Year. He created a cool game. And I remember thinking, wow, that's pretty cool.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  And my boys at the time were eight and six. They loved it. They played it all.

• 1:16:01Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man, every day.

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  I'm proud that I was part of it, but look at the games today. It's.

• 1:16:06Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's.

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  I feel like I'm really playing a hockey game.

• 1:16:10Speaker 03

  Seriously, yeah, the graphics are intense. Well, we love that one. We still play it to this day.

• 1:16:18Travis Kelce?

  We gotta know who your, uh, who your greatest of all times are in, in the NBA, the NFL and the MLB.

• 1:16:23Speaker 04

  Well, the NBA is easy. Twenty-three, that was pretty easy, right? NFL, well, I'll go with you two guys, like one and two.

• 1:16:34Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. My man, I'll take it.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  Major League Baseball, listen, to me, what Jackie Robinson did was incredible. Babe Ruth, how he created the full baseball world, but I'm going to pick George Brett as the greatest player I ever saw.

• 1:16:53Travis Kelce?

  There we go, baby. There we go. Keeping it in the MO, baby.

• 1:16:59Speaker 04

  I had him with Phinam and he was such a force and he was so good. And then in your sport, I mean, how can you go against Tom Brady with all the championships, right?

• 1:17:10Travis Kelce?

  TB.

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  You know, the great thing about sports, we sit around and we all argue and debate. We don't have all the right or wrong answers, right? Who's the greatest team? Who's the greatest individual? Who's the greatest player? We don't know. It's all opinion, right?

• 1:17:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:17:23Speaker 04

  And you just sort of pat those guys on the back that have made a difference, not only what they did, but how they've helped their community, how they help charities, how they get involved with their family, their cities. So it's hard to go against the, I'm proud of the fact that I could say George Brett and Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, and I got Bobby Orr and Gordie Howe in hockey. Those are the two greatest players ever to play.

• 1:17:48Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  You beat me to it. What, if you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of NHL players, who would be on the Mount Rushmore? So we got Gordie and Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr on it. All right. Who else is on this? Lemieux.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  And Merck Messier.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  See Travis, the greats always leave themselves off of their own Mount Rushmore.

• 1:18:09Travis Kelce?

  What are you talking about?

• 1:18:10Speaker 03

  Travis infamously put himself on his own Mount Rushmore.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  I didn't know it was. I pick those guys anytime. I always tell people, Merck Messier was the greatest player I played with. Mario was the greatest player I ever played against. And Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr were the greatest two players ever to play our game.

• 1:18:27Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome. God, that's awesome. Who, uh, who owns the quote, you miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take. You are Michael Scott from the office.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Now I get pushy. It's my quote, not his.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  They go, Dad, you ever like the office? I go, I don't even know what you're talking about.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  Oh, it's pretty good quote. And I looked at it and I said, oh my God, no, that's fine. I don't care.

• 1:18:58Travis Kelce?

  No, that's too funny.

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  If he wants to claim it, go ahead and claim it.

• 1:19:02Travis Kelce?

  I think that's all we got for you, Doc.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  Listen, Doc, I love that. I really appreciate you guys and listen, good luck to you this year. Don't let them take your jersey away from you until you're absolutely ready to quit. Make them rip it off your back.

• 1:19:18Travis Kelce?

  You're the best. You're the best, big guy.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  Let me ask you though, I gotta ask you one more story. So I have since been golfing with my brother and he has the greatest head cover I have ever seen in my life.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  How did you let this knucklehead get this head cover? What is the story about? That is the coolest thing on the planet to us.

• 1:19:39Speaker 04

  So I'll tell you this. So he was playing golf with a couple of buddies and my wife at Troubadour. Really hot that day. And I said, I don't want to play. I was in watching TV or something with my buddy who lives on the course, Randy Bernard. And my wife texts me, said, we're coming through the, where the hole that he lives on, come on out, say hello. And I said, okay. So I brought out this head cover and I brought this head cover and I gave it to him. I said, here, this, my son gets these made and I, this is mine.

• 1:20:08Travis Kelce?

  It's so cool too, man.

• 1:20:09Speaker 04

  It's very cool. But you know what pissed me off the most about the whole thing? We took the picture and everybody sent me letters and phone calls, what are you doing golfing in bare feet?

• 1:20:22Speaker 04

  I wanted to take a picture. I went out there to do a nice thing.

• 1:20:31Speaker 04

  You got no, no shoes on. I'm like, I'm not playing golf.

• 1:20:34Travis Kelce?

  He's just hanging, man. He was just hanging.

• 1:20:37Speaker 04

  The last one you want to do is play the golf, not me.

• 1:20:39Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah. Once it's out there on social media, man, everybody's gonna comment. You're the best though, big guy. I still, I still got it on my, on my driver today, man.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  No doubt.

• 1:20:47Travis Kelce?

  It brings, it brings me good luck.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  So good for you guys and keep it going. Have fun.

• 1:20:52Travis Kelce?

  Thank you for everything. Thanks, Doc.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  My pleasure.

• 1:20:55Travis Kelce?

  We just fucking, we just had one of the coolest conversations of, of my life.

• 1:21:00Speaker 03

  It's pretty awesome.

• 1:21:01Travis Kelce?

  I could have kept asking him questions. I'm so pissed I didn't have my fucking Gretzky skates, man.

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  Your skates?

• 1:21:08Travis Kelce?

  I have Nike, I have Nike Gretzky skates. Yes, all white Gretzky skates. The white tornadoes Nike Gretzky skates. The docks. What a fucking cool ass nickname.

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  It's pretty sick.

• 1:21:19Travis Kelce?

  I'm wearing nothing but white gloves all year.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  Oh, love it, love it, love it, love it. No, you're not, though. That would increase your chance of holding. Don't do that. Don't do that.

• 1:21:26Travis Kelce?

  You're right. I'm out of there on that.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  All righty, that wraps up this episode of New Heights. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel. Follow New Heights in the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:21:42Travis Kelce?

  That's right. Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Waves Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's and their new PB and J cups. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. Thanks to our production and crew for always making us look better than what we are. And thank you again to all the 92%ers for tuning in. Hope you guys enjoyed the interview with the great one.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  You guys hear that call?

• 1:22:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:23Speaker 03

  Do you guys, can you guys make out what she's saying?

• 1:22:26Speaker 06

  I can't. Sounds good, though.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  She's saying, I'm all done pooping. That's the call for me to go wipe Elliot's ass.

• 1:22:33Speaker 06

  Do you need to, do you need to come back to us?

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Nana just walked up there, thankfully.

• 1:22:38Speaker 06

  I'm gonna start doing that at home.

• 1:22:39Travis Kelce?

  That's so good.

• 1:22:44Speaker 06

  Lauren!

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  Gosh, it's the best.

• 1:22:47Speaker 06

  She just goes, what?

• 1:22:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  You're not gonna want to answer this call.

• 1:22:52Speaker 06

  You don't want, don't, you don't want to be part of this bit. This bit's not for you. Don't worry about it. All right.