Odell Beckham Jr is returning to the NFL, discloses why he's been away from football, reveals team he plans to join, owns up to mistakes, talks fame, dating, success, regrets, Drake, Super Bowl Injury and how fatherhood saved his life.

“I was lying to myself, the man in the mirror, I was lying to myself about where my heart was at, where my mind was at and that was hardest for me to deal with- if I could lie to myself of course I could lie to anybody.” -Odell Beckham Jr Pivot Family- yes! A long awaited conversation comes at the right time as star Odell Beckham Jr joins The Pivot opening up to Ryan, Channing and Fred in an emotional, deeply personal and authentic conversation as Odell navigates his recent life reflections, his football journey, life of fame and where he goes from here. Undeniably one of the most famous athletes in the world, OBJ takes the guys through his football career, the highs, the lows, the stardom, the misconceptions, the regrets, the emotions, Super Bowl win and the one thing he has to face now before getting back to the game he loves most. Announcing his return to the NFL, he speaks about what is next, the team he wants to join, the coach he is forever indebted to and the big plays that lifted him to a larger than life persona. Getting into the celebrity circles, dating famously, high-profile friends, traveling the world, the guys talk about it all and in powerful break through, Odell lets his guard down and owns up to falling short in certain areas as a man, father, son, friend and teammate. He shares how becoming a father saved his life and how being able to do right by his son is the leading factor in why he has decided to change in certain areas of life. On a new path to right the wrongs and capitalize on the time he has now, his one focus is getting back on the football field, doing what he loves and not leave the game until it's on his terms. This conversation is one of the most powerful and honest we've had on The Pivot and we are extremely grateful, that Odell's vulnerability and willingness to share not only enlightened us but also teaches valuable lessons about accountability, growth and second chances. Don't forget to comment, like and subscribe to let us know what you think of each episode and to find out the most up to date happenings with The Pivot. We appreciate you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Today's guest really needs no introduction, but I'll try anyway. His name is OBJ, the New Orleans-born, Louisiana-bred wide receiver who truly changed the culture. You don't prepare for this sort of fame because it's uncommon. The former Pro Bowl wideout said that there really wasn't a playbook for this sort of life shift. From famous homies like Drake to meeting and befriending your idols like LeBron, it all happened so fast. One-hand catches, Met galas, and boat parties. I mean, dude really did it all. Although, the last one, he kind of regrets. He hates the way he had to walk away from the game, and he still yearns to play more. There are places he wants to play and coaches he'd like to play for,

• 1:14Ryan Clark?

  but before all that, there are some news he needs to break, and he chose to do that with us. He recently had a breakdown that one of his closest friends called his greatest breakthrough, and it all happened when looking in his son's eyes because it made him truly look at the man in the mirror. This one is special, and at the same time, it's breaking news. We now present to you Odell Beckham Jr. and the Pivot. That a film it worked. For real.

• 1:43Channing Crowder?

  There you go.

• 1:46Ryan Clark?

  Yo. My brother?

• 1:49Speaker 03

  My brother.

• 1:49Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  What I would do, you gun?

• 1:51Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  I wish I could fit that shirt. I'm almost there. This one was a little small for me.

• 1:58Ryan Clark?

  Oh, Freddie Tiedemann lost like 20 pounds, man, in a month.

• 2:01Speaker 03

  Looked good.

• 2:02Fred Taylor?

  Not a month.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Ozempic hitting him.

• 2:04Fred Taylor?

  I'm down though.

• 2:05Channing Crowder?

  He's sexy too.

• 2:06Fred Taylor?

  That's what he said.

• 2:07Ryan Clark?

  He said that Ozempic hitting.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  He on that Ozemp, that Zimp hitting.

• 2:10Fred Taylor?

  Man, y'all tripping. You know I be working out hard. It's been a minute.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Let me tell you, life's happening. Lot happened, but yeah, that's a long time.

• 2:20Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  I've been seeing y'all like.

• 2:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, just moved.

• 2:23Speaker 03

  Loving it. Appreciate it.

• 2:24Ryan Clark?

  Long time coming, O.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:26Ryan Clark?

  My little brother, I remember the first time I seen him, summertime practices at LSU. He runs a post corner, he was out of bounds, quarterback threw it, and he reached up with one hand and grabbed it like that. And I was like, nobody's gonna say nothing about this? So we just gonna, I was like, so he just gonna catch this ball with one hand and we just gonna act like people do that, you know what I mean? And eventually you become who you become, man. I'm very proud of you.

• 3:10Ryan Clark?

  Fred Taylor, this is Channing Crowder, Ryan Clark. Very special sit down on the pivot. I want to get something out the way first. You're not here to retire, right?

• 3:19Speaker 03

  There's no chance. I can't. It just, it's something that I'm like, as I sat there with it, um, I feel like, I never talk about regrets because I feel like at once upon a time, you know, the decision you made was what you wanted at the time, so you live with that. But this is one that I feel like, if I didn't get to go out there and run one route, you know, it's like unfinished. My pops, my moms teaching me growing up. Like, we never would start something and not finish it, you know? Like, that's just, that was just the rule of the house. The way that everything went down, I just can't go out like that and live the rest of my life with having to even think like about my career and then be like, well, how did I finish it?

• 4:05Speaker 03

  You know, so the short answer, nah. I'm not, I'm not here to retire. Then what's the finish line is? I don't know what it is. I think it's in my heart. I think it's, um, it's not stats. It's not, you know, I won a Super Bowl. Do I wish? Yeah, that's a long story there. I wish I could have finished that game because it was like the, the moment I had with God before that game was just me knowing. All I was saying to him was, thank you. Like, thank you for this opportunity, like win, lose, or draw. Like, thank you for everything that I've been through in my life for this moment. And I already know that I'm gonna shine. Like, thank you for allowing me, you know, everything that they got to say about me and, you know, like, it was that moment of like. Yeah, go do your thing. He gave me the reward and then, but it was like, I wanted that.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  I wanted that day. I was ready. I was prepped. You know, so it's not about the stats. Cause I wanted to break and beat Jerry's record and all that, you know. Couple, couple of things happened to where like realistically, it's not happening. It ain't about the ring. It's just about that, that love in my heart in which, you know, he played a game for so long and then the politics get into it and things happen to where you kind of get lost in that road of like, man, do I really love this? And that was a tough thing last year where I feel like

• 5:22Speaker 03

  you're getting paid X amount, right? And for me, I'm in a place where like, we're over the hill thinking about, you know, the next couple of steps. And it was like, it was really hard for me to take the thing that I love the most in Miami and, and walk away from it and, and find that peace in my heart, that resolve. Like it was very, it was the, one of the most difficult things that I love, but it had became, it be, it became like poison to me. Like something that you love so much that was good for you that now is harming me. You know, and it's in the way, I'm getting, I'm looking at it from a business standpoint. I'm looking at it and I'm getting paid X amount, three million. I'm looking at all of the things that I have over here that is gonna set me up for the rest of my life and make sure my kids, kids, kids like are good.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  And I'm spending all my time on this and I'm not getting the reward at all. I'm not even getting it in my heart. Like I'm not, you know, like a bit of resentment to like have to wake up and then go into, and go into that building, even though it's a blessing and a privilege and all those things to be in the league. It just had became, it had became like poison to me. And like to be able to, it was like a real grown man thing for me to be able to like put that down. To actually be able to be like, you know what? That's it. Like I'm drawing a line with myself. There's other things that are more important. I'm spending all this time here for nothing. I'm not even playing. I'm not even, all of the, you know, I'll never tell anybody business, but like all the things that I was told and sold on like, for whatever reason, it just didn't happen.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  And that's okay. Like it is what it is. But for me, I'm looking at it, I'm spending this time away. I'm not gonna see my son.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Now mentally, like it's affected me, just, you know, my everyday. Like, I really need to just step back and focus on this and get this sorted. Once I feel like all of this is solid, because they feel like with football being shaky and this being shaky, I'm not really focusing on either one. And I'm just in the middle, trying to chase two rabbits almost, like, you know, and I can't let both of them get away, you know? So I had to just pick one, like, honestly. And it was like, let me stand on this over here. I don't think I'm gonna be missed anyways. And Miami, my five to six plays a game. I mean, just being honest, you know, I'm getting in, it's third down. They know, oh, I wonder what they doing, it's third and seven.

• 7:40Fred Taylor?

  What do you do now to, to get out of your head? Because someone with such elite skills, knowing you still have the ability to help a team out there, yet the phone, well, I don't know if the phone is ringing, but obviously you're not on the roster right now. So what do you do, you know, just to, to stay in it?

• 8:02Speaker 03

  It rings. But, um, it's like, for me, it was, it was truly getting myself straight, like, as a man. I went through some hard times, leaving football, putting down what had, you know, I know that I'm not just a football player, I know that. I know the, whatever you want to call it, that I have over the kids and the movement and the culture and all that. I know that it's bigger than just football. I always felt like, um, I was put on earth to change it. And I know, like, not in no conceited way that, like, you know, thinking like that, but like, yeah, I want to be someone who could change.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  And so it was really me, like, getting myself right. It was really me looking myself in the mirror and dealing with, like, my shit as a man. And I feel like it was kind of the first time, because, you know, when you're playing football for so long, you kind of get, you kind of get sheltered, you kind of get, like, blanketed. We protected for so long, like, all we got to do is play football, like, and then we deal with the people who gonna talk about us for our performance or the things we do or whatever it is. But it was like, it was always just football. And to feel whether it was self or stripped of that, and to just be standing there as a man, it was like where I was at in that place of life. Like, I didn't like necessarily where I was at, like as a man, you know what I mean? And it was some hard times I had to work through or some, you know,

• 9:23Speaker 03

  where I felt like it was, I'm light, but it was darkness just around me. And it was, it's funny, because my son, I feel like he was like that flickering light. Like, he was the thing that just kept me, he kept me going, like, he, he really did. And it just was, it was hard, like, it was hard to, to separate myself from football, the game that I love and gave everything up for. I could have played, I always tell the story, I could have played soccer, I could have played, you know, D-Book don't think so, but I could have played basketball, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would have been a point guard, I'm not giving you 30, I don't really want it, you know? But I could have played a lot of other sports, and it was like, I chose this one. And I gave my, I sacrificed things since I was four years old for it.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  But me personally, like, it was just, it was like dealing with self and all of the, the issues that I have and where, you know, not to be like, I'm fully healed now, it's like, you're still, you're, you're ever evolving or, you know, you're going backwards. So, coming face to face with that man in the mirror.

• 10:18Ryan Clark?

  You experienced something none of us experienced, right? Freddie T is a first-round pick, Hall of Fame talent, obviously you were as well. But he played in Jacksonville.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:30Ryan Clark?

  Right? There is, there's not a one-play highlight that you could show of him, and everybody in the world just be like, that's Fred Taylor.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:40Ryan Clark?

  Right? You made every kid think they could catch a football with one hand. There were Asian kids, black kids, white kids, whatever you want, Latino kids, with blond mohawks, right? You reached a, a pinnacle that I said publicly, I thought you were the most famous football player that had ever lived. There's no roadmap for that. How difficult was that adjustment to you, for you to take all those things in? And still remain yourself?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  I think early when I talked about regrets, I said I don't have many, but I think one of them might be was having a grown man about this size with a blonde mohawk haircut. Inspiring that was not, you know, looking back like it was great, but then I started to see people way bigger than me, give me one of these and they had my, it was time to cut it off. But like you said, like there was no roadmap for that, like I didn't plan, I always planned on being the greatest ever. Like I was like, I just want to be the best, like, and I got that from, you know, when I was younger, but I always talk about this and I, and I thank him to this day. This man changed my life forever, Joffrey's land, you're right. He showed me what greatness was, you know, I had plenty of people.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  We were in the car on the way here, Tyron Matthew, like he showed me like greatness and what we was chasing, you know? A level of like, yeah, you have this talent, but like, I'm talking about two steps above that. For me, it was always about that, it was always about that. It never was this fame and I was gonna become who I became and I never even knew that. I never knew it came with it. I just thought like I was gonna be the greatest and just a good football player, like, you know, all of that. Special person, but I knew it was just football. And again, like dealing with that with my moms and our team, like we didn't know all of this was gonna come with it. I didn't know how to necessarily handle that. I still don't think there's, everybody's journey is different, you know, when they be like, go ask LeBron, he came in at 18.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  I'm like, yeah, but he plays basketball, you know what I mean? And like, no matter what, like somebody dunk on him, he could ask for the ball, he can go down and do whatever he need to do. Like it's not a sport like football where I'm a receiver and O-line got a block, the running back got to pick up the protection. Quarterback got to throw a perfect ball or good enough ball to where I have just one opportunity to make a catch. So it was like a different sport and just, it was like I said, bro, growing up, I just always thought I was gonna be like, that was it. Like I was just gonna be the greatest, like that wasn't, it wasn't the fame.

• 13:11Channing Crowder?

  You were, you are a great football player, but you left football. Like RC said, you left football, you went to rock star status. You blew up worldwide, like it's a lot of dudes catching football.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 13:23Channing Crowder?

  That had to change you, bruh.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:25Channing Crowder?

  Good ways and bad ways.

• 13:27Speaker 03

  I would say.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Because I'll tell you this, I'm still, still the same. Like, I'm the same, but it's that I got to see more. I got to, to the good and the bad. Like, I just got to see more. And I'll never forget, in college, Coach Henry, we sitting in the room, it's like me, Jarvis, thinking about maybe a few other people, and I was like, I fear today that they changed the game I love into a business and not the game that I love. And I allowed them to strip this smile, like, from me, to make me kind of stop dancing. Oh, you need to grow up, like, you need to, dah dah dah. And then, I'm sitting there, you know, I'm doing my thing in warmups, but it's like, I'm not, this ain't just for show, like, I'm doing it, like, I'm having fun.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Why is it that, I'm not out here running, catching the ball, and holding a big ass camera like this, like, all myself, like, look at me, you know what I mean? It was just me always doing my thing. I would say it changed me in ways that it made me more aware, it made me be able to see a lot more than I ever thought I was gonna see. But deep down inside, like, anybody who knows me, like, knows me, would, they wouldn't, they would probably be like, you haven't changed a bit.

• 14:40Ryan Clark?

  Oh, you became the villain, though. Like, the kid I met.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  I think I helped it too, though.

• 14:46Ryan Clark?

  Was it, I was about to say that, though, when, when it turned from all the fun, and, you know, there's Josh Norman, there's Boats, and there's all of these things, and there was so much criticism and so much hate, when you were at the height of who you were, you became the villain. What part did you play in that, and how did that affect you?

• 15:09Speaker 03

  It definitely, it definitely affected me, knowing that, like, I'm a good-hearted person, lighthearted, like, I literally, like, you ever see any of my messages, like, me, tattoos on my neck, I am, you know, I'm love, like, I am love. Like, all I wanted to do was spread love, like, that's it. And to become the villain, and then to play into it.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  I'm like, you know, there's a part of me that's like, why couldn't I just been like, nah, like I'm just gonna continue to be loved, which I was, but like to not even play into this role. And I've heard, you know, the Kobes talk about it and I think the ones who was before us, we always look at them, you know, like I said Kobe, he became the villain, you know, and this Mamba and everyone, da da da da, but like he took on and, you know, thrived in it. And for me, there was a part that thrived in it, but like as a football player, like we say, not many of us getting on like past the helmet. And it was just like every, it was like when I stepped off the football field, my life was something completely different too, you know? And it wasn't easy to like live with, but I, I just managed it the best I could, I think.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  I don't wanna say nothing changed, but I said it just made me more aware, you know? And then I tried to stay, I always just tried to stay true to who I am, cause like that's, that's really all I know.

• 16:26Fred Taylor?

  Right. With everything though, is there one moment that you can kind of pinpoint? And go back to and say, this, this humbled me more than anything else ever in life?

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Besides getting injured, I would say, um,

• 16:44Speaker 03

  the boat stuff, uh, you know, back when I used to, you know, take, I've been taking Adderall since I was a kid, like I remember taking it before my playoff game, like nah, I gotta focus. And like I hadn't been taking it all year. But like they had kind of like, there's a bit of nerves, you know, cause I went and literally, it's New Year's Eve, we win, we go here, we fly back in the morning, you have your day off the next day, you have your recovery. Same, same thing you would've did if you would've went to, went out in New York. Like it just, it really was nothing different. Except for one of my friends who just for some reason was like, I'm thinking, he's like, let's get a pic, if you go back and look at the pic now and I'm telling you this story

• 17:26Speaker 03

  and I'm sitting there like, like the flight had got pushed back. We had just stayed, or like I'd been ready to go, you know what I'm saying? I had to borrow Victor Cruz's Timbs, like, you know what I mean? I've got Timbs on, we in Miami, I'm happy I didn't run under the day. And it just was like, we took this picture and I'm thinking it's memories. You know, it was something that's like, yo, we had a good time, like, you know, Jordan, everybody before all this going crazy, you know? And it was just like, it was like, we're celebrating this because the run that we're about to make is yada, yada, yada, right? And then I felt when that story and all them things came out, it had shook my building so hard that like, I had already knew we lost before walking in there.

• 18:09Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  I knew it, like, I just knew it and it was like, it was like an energy that like, I couldn't break. But the people would have been like, man, fuck that, you know, if you had a good time, like, you ready to kiss a man? Like, it just was like, they shook our building. And that's that New York media, like, they got us. And then I couldn't overcome it and, you know, certain catches or plays that like, I'm sure in, you give me that opportunity again in the minus three weather at Lambeau nighttime against Aaron Rodgers, hit a Hail Mary at halftime, like, it was just, one of them things, like, you know, like, it just, I didn't perform my best. And that killed me, you know? Like, that I let all of those men down because I,

• 18:52Speaker 03

  I went there ready to jump into the stands, you know what I mean? Like, I wanted to score, I wanted to do, do all the things, like. And I would definitely say that that was one that like, that killed me. Then next offseason, I mean, that offseason coming up, you know, I gotta go to the Pro Bowl. I'm telling moms, like, I don't even wanna go. My dog died. I'm, I'm, I'm on my couch for two weeks, this red leather couch that I had. I didn't move from the basement, like, two weeks, sleeping 16 hours. But like, depressed about that, or I won't say depressed, but upset about this, like, really just hurting. And I definitely would say that that changed me forever to where, you know, fast forward 2017 before somebody take me out in the preseason game on a, on a low head and get a high ankle sprain and, you know, we could talk about that too.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  But it was like, I was so far ready to move past all that coming the next year. And I was like, I'm coming on some whole different, like, nah, you gotta see me. Like, you already got me, you, you broke me down a little bit, like, this, this O that you get to see. You're not gonna be fucking with him.

• 19:54Ryan Clark?

  First off, by the way, if I would've went to Miami on my off day, I wouldn't have been on the boat with the Trey Songz, because Trey Songz don't wanna hang with me. So that's the first thing. And frankly, I don't really wanna hang with Trey Songz either, while we were talking about it. But for you, though, like, that's the type of thing I'm talking about. Oh, you know, the Met Gallows, the famous friends, dating famous people, right? All of these things are a life, and this is just in my opinion, that not only most normal people don't prepare for, football players don't, right? Like, you gotta love football to be good at it, because it's so damn hard to do, right?

• 20:37Ryan Clark?

  So you talked about sitting on that red sofa and, you know, dealing with your sadness. When you're out of it for this time when you leave Miami, that had to be, you said those times were dark. What was that feeling of sadness or depression? And how did you get through it?

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Ooh, this one was, this one was that tough one, you know? Where you questioning just everything, like, as a man, you know? Like, you get to, like, sit back for a second, and let's say I could lay out the last 10 years in front of me, and the mishaps, mistakes, the good times, the bad times, just life, if I could lay it out. It's like, am I okay, you know, with that? And having a truly, like, like I say, like, come face to face with that man in the mirror. At the wrong time, it could be detrimental. At the right time, I don't know, you know? It just keep boosting you up. To get through that is, you know, the people I had,

• 21:40Speaker 03

  like, the people who've been in my corner, family, you know, really the closest ones to you. I got my boy over here since I was nine, since he was nine, 10 years old, that we really, like, went through what we felt like was rock bottom, like, together, and to climb out of it. And it's like, that's what I'm proud of myself for. Because, like, I always had said this, I'm like, bro, go give somebody else everything that God gave me and all of the everything, and put them in my shoes. And I'm telling you. I won't say nine out of 10, but a lot of them couldn't have handled what I had to go through. And that's just firmly my belief, from the fame to the this, to the that, to then, everything. It's just everything, bro. It's every single thing.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  You know, I'm trying to be better with my words and not be like, oh, that was dark and I was struggling. And try and be like, oh, well, I was just learning. You know, when you try and say all the positive stuff, like, I'm trying, but like, sometimes it's just effed up. Man time, I was fucked up, you know? I wasn't who I was when I walked away from football. When I realized the biggest thing I lost and that I gave up on was my discipline, you know? And as a football player, like, all our lives, like, we,

• 22:53Speaker 03

  you know, you sleep with somebody, like, that alarm go off and you get up with a huh. You know, we didn't, we didn't had penalty runs because we was late or whatever. Like, it's like kind of militant, you know? And I had, I had lost that discipline within myself because I had put it down and I was like, well, I don't have to do nothing tomorrow, like, I'm straight. You know, like, if I don't want, if I want to wake up at 3:00 PM, I could do that. And, and that small things of discipline, like, it just kept trickling down. In every single aspect, trickling down, trickling down. And that was the biggest thing, like, thinking about my son, now I'm like, if I could have one thing to talk about, like, it would just be discipline, self-discipline.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  For whatever it's worth, whatever it is, like, when I lost my discipline, I lost a lot of myself. And things just started to go bad, you know? When things are going bad, I always joke, my boy, I'd be like, now, now that I'm back in that place, like, I know I could just keep driving and the light's gonna turn green, like, God got me. You know, I'm going down, I know, just let it go, do the little flashlight, bam, it's gonna be green. Like, before, it was like every light, red, red, red, you know, like, you just, when you ain't living right, like, that feeling within yourself, like, the things don't flow, you're not in that flow state. And that's where I was at, and you know, I always talk about God and how he, he saved me and all the things that he's done.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  But yeah, bro, I just wasn't, I wasn't who I was, you know?

• 24:27Speaker 05

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 24:38Speaker 00

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• 24:56Channing Crowder?

  Speaking about that, speaking about the boat. Start with the boat. You know what teams call that? Distraction. You dating? I gotta get into that, you know? I need to talk about this. We'll wait.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Hey, he nasty too. Oh, so, oh.

• 25:13Channing Crowder?

  We'll get in a little bit. But the media is gonna call that a distraction. That's why the criticism is distraction. Do you think, like you said, all the stuff you were going through, everything that was thrown on you, the fame that was thrown on you, it had to affect you on the field? The saying make the main thing the main thing? The main thing couldn't have been the main thing at all times.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  You know what it is? It's such an ass backwards world, right? We talk about, oh, that's a distraction. That's a distraction. And it's like, you're literally placing something on somebody saying it's the distraction. The distraction is you saying it's the distraction, not actually the distraction. You know what I mean? It's like, it's a, it's kind of a crazy world we live in. Like, it's a little backwards. But of course, it affects you at some point. Because it's like, for me, my life had became so public that my private life, and my pride, like, I don't want them to know about her and this or that. First of all, if I was in a certain position, you messing up my game. You, you fucking up for me.

• 26:17Channing Crowder?

  That's my sister.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  That's my friend, my cousin there. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how it is. So it's like, you, you putting all of my business out there and it's like, oh, well, we made you a celebrity, so we have the right to do this. And it's like... I wouldn't come knocking on your door trying to barge into your stuff like you messing up, you messing up my life. And keep in mind, do I think I could have performed better had I not have gone and flew on here and been on the ball? I'll say yes for the sake of the argument, but at the same time, I had plenty games when I was, you know, like I had a good time after the game. It was, I feel like it's football culture, like we go celebrate, like,

• 26:57Ryan Clark?

  Good.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  You know, LSU Saturday night?

• 26:58Ryan Clark?

  You locked back in.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Saturday night, we-

• 27:00Ryan Clark?

  Tigerland.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Tigerland, no question.

• 27:02Ryan Clark?

  No question.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  We had the boot, set it off.

• 27:03Ryan Clark?

  No question.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  We turning up, like, and then Sunday, we all in there at 4:00 PM, everybody stretching, we talking about our night, we resetting. You know, because it's only one, we get one a week. It's not like basketball, like, oh, they had their night out in whatever city they went to. We came here, dropped 30, going to the next city, like, no, like, it's this important. And you know where we went, like,

• 27:27Speaker 03

  I don't know about y'all, but where we went-

• 27:28Ryan Clark?

  They went to Florida.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But when we went- My, my, my, my, my, my name, what the hell y'all talking about? Where we went, it was like, losing that one game, like, it was like the season's over with.

• 27:40Ryan Clark?

  It ruined everybody's week.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  We ain't going to the national championship. And we, that's the only reason we was playing, like, we playing for the Natty.

• 27:47Ryan Clark?

  Your circle is extremely small. There was a point, it was an entourage. You, you didn't see Odell Beckham Jr. and not see a ton of people around him. I'm sure some had a purpose. I'm sure for some, you were their purpose, and for others, they had no purpose at all. But to try to catch whatever fell off of the tree. What was it like to have to trim that tree? To have to shrink that circle? Because some of those departures hurt when you find out why they have to go.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Speaking on it. It was like, it's kind of a quote that I live by. It's like, it's not about getting to the top of the mountain. It's about how many people you bring with you, right? And I always feel like God's light, boom. It's like the spotlight was on me, but there was plenty of people. Not all of them, but there was plenty of people around me who had talent or who had something. And if they were around me, even if I can give them a glimpse of the light to where now they can go walk in their own way. Now they can go and make money or whatever it is, you know? Until you realize like, you're starting to get closer to the top of the mountain. It's getting heavy. And it's like, I feel like, I feel like I'm working more than I did when I was back here. And like, I'm real close to the top and I'm not tired, you know?

• 29:06Speaker 03

  But trimming that tree, I think for me, like I'm so, so here with it that I'm gonna allow someone to like, cut themselves before I ever have to really do it. Like, I'm a person who will give you the chances, you know? For better or for worse, you know, it's my lesson learned. But I'm gonna give you the chances over and over, even if you shouldn't have deserved the third one, you know? And that's something that's definitely changed within me like now. But just watching people cut themselves, do things to lose their own position. You know, like you, I didn't even do nothing. Like you showed me everything I needed to. And I think that I just laugh in my mind, cause I'm like, there's one person who, who was watching that the whole time.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  It is Heather Lynn Van Norman. Mom's just watching the whole time. She was not gonna play around. And it's just like, I truly respected like, you know, sitting here with y'all now. Like she, I was right about that. I was right about that. And it's like, I feel like as a parent now, I'm watching my son. She used to always tell me like, you just wait till you have your kid. And I'm like, I am, you know what I mean? And it's like. As a parent, you give your child like the tools. You put the morals and the values and all these things in them that are gonna build up to where they're gonna make their own decisions and then they live with it. And it's like, you gotta be, like I kept getting with it, like you gotta be okay with me, you know? Like I gotta fail like on my own.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  I gotta touch the stove and know it's hot. Even if you told me, you know, don't touch it like, till I feel it, I ain't gonna know, you know? And one quote that's been sticking with me by someone who's been with me for many, many years. He's like, nobody's ever gonna change in their life until the pain gets great enough. And I was like, man, like that's some of the realest shit I heard, you know? Like until, until it's like, no, this is it, you know? You'll draw the line, you'll draw the line, you'll draw the line, but there is a line that's like, nah, that hurt far beyond what I could ever imagine. And we're like, I'm not, I'm not going past that.

• 31:07Fred Taylor?

  Well, you talking about loyalty and, uh, you know, people being there or, or jumping ship. You stuck by your boy Drake's side through all the bullshit.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  I knew that was coming.

• 31:19Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, like, why?

• 31:22Speaker 03

  That's a, that's another subject, you know? And it's like, I'll just say this, I have nothing but love, you know? To this day, he's somebody who changed my life forever. He's someone who's music not only inspired, you know, the world, but like truly inspired me. Like I felt like I could, like he talking about me, you know what I mean? Like I could, I could feel that and I was close to it. And through all the beef, it's like, I told him straight, man to man, at the 4th of July, my group party, I said, Kendrick did his thing, like he had his moment, you know?

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Like he, it was hard, like it was, y'all, I like that heavyweight battle, like he came with. Like, even if somebody, oh, he won, like, he won the moment. We talking about Mike Jack. We talking about Drake, like, we, I'm like, it ain't even nothing to talk about. You know, the art of war, like, all them things that was going, like, it was great. But at the end of the day, like, you live on forever, bro. You're, you're the greatest ever, you know, the Mount, I always, I feel like it's hard to do greatest ever. But you're in one of those categories of the greatest ever.

• 32:39Ryan Clark?

  I think he's the greatest, he's the greatest songwriter that's ever rapped. And it's not a, that's not a debate.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Nah, I'm, you know, I'm with you on that. Sticking by his side, just, it's code to who I am, you know what I mean? Like, I'm, this is just me, like, it was never, it don't matter. Did I ever, did I ever, mm, mm, mm, like, the song, it was hard, like, the beat, I like music. You know what I'm saying? Like, music flows through me, like, I love music. But my loyalty always lied there. And now, like, it lies to myself, you know? It lies to my people, my family, like, the ones who are there for me, you know what I mean? Uh, cause when he was going through war and beef and all that, like, I was going through hell. And I'm trying to save my entire generation and my bloodline and my people, and I'm worried about my son. You know what I mean?

• 33:30Speaker 03

  When no one else ain't sending no clothes and just a check for, you know? I gotta worry about my people. Uh, so, it just goes back to, like, I feel like who I am, like, when I really speak on who I am, like, I know that. Like, my loyalty, like, it lies thick until you show me that it needs to be otherwise. And then, when it does that, like, I'ma move accordingly.

• 33:53Channing Crowder?

  You tell Drake, he pointed at my wife and for a lot of their concert, talking about, hey, Lady in the Green, when he was on his little, his little birdcage, tell him I ain't appreciate it.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  He owe us some money then.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  He's gonna get that off of him.

• 34:10Channing Crowder?

  But, but, how is it to be so famous and then be with Drake when they ask you, hey, can you get, can you get me to Drake? Well, you usually, you usually the golden goose.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:19Channing Crowder?

  And now you, you with Drake.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  You know, listen, there are Alphabets, there's Apex Predators, you know, I feel like, I told him, I said, you put me in a room with 200 of God's greatest men, creations, the tallest, the richest, the... Eh, whatever. That God got the offer and I feel like I'm gonna stand for me. Like, I'm going, I'm gonna walk in there with this. And I feel good with that. So, my ego, you know, now I'm Cordell's brother. So, yeah.

• 34:46Ryan Clark?

  Lil' bro.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  My ego can never be touched because I am who I am. Like, I know who I am.

• 34:51Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? It can never be, "You need me, oh, you need me to get up?" Be like, "Hold on, I'll be right back." I always want no grown ass man trying to talk to me about no, "Come on, bro, you, good luck." You get him, like, you know what I'm saying? But my ego can never be touched because I'm truly like, I'm just too good with me. And now I love it. Like, that's the biggest one. When they try and be like, "Oh, you're, that's Cordell's brother." And I'm like, "Yeah, I am." Like, I'm proud of my lil' bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, why would I be like, "Nah, I'm, I'm OBJ." That shit dumb. You know what I'm saying? Like, it would never be that for me. I've never been that kind of person anyways. So, I think it's just, I just know who I am. You know what I mean? I'm, I'm good with me.

• 35:28Ryan Clark?

  So, I wanna have a more serious conversation. We, first thing we talked about was the fact that you aren't retiring. We talked about the place you had to drag yourself from. And you setting yourself up for generations. You also said the way that you were going to have to walk away after last year is not a way that you can live with yourself. So, I read the tea leaves. That means you still wanna play.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:59Ryan Clark?

  Where would you like to play if given the opportunity? Because there's the team, just throw it out there, there's a team in Pittsburgh.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Exactly. I already know, that's one of them.

• 36:09Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  But there are two.

• 36:11Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 36:12Speaker 03

  I gotta go back with McVay. They'll take me home. Call the family, tell them there's a number seven jersey that we need to unretire for a year, a couple of games. I need that back. Like, Coach McVay, like, my favorite coach that I've had all my life was like my high school coach. And it's because...

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Taught me how to like be man, like he was firm on me, but he also prepped me for football. Like, there's nothing like being prepared to play a game. Instead of like going into it kinda, you know, wishing for, hoping for whatever. And McVeigh was that person, like I knew, like I called TA, GoFeet. I said, "Hey, bro, you gotta come out here." Like, I said, "I'm about to go crazy." Boom, he flies to LA. We training at the field or whatever. I said, "I'm going for like 15, 260, 3 touchdowns." I said, "I need to run this route, this route, and I need you to get me on a release." Like, I had the whole game plan, like I knew what was gonna go on. If y'all was gonna play man to man on Coop, we gonna kill you and let Coop be. If you gonna double up on him and put the safety over and you gonna put Mike Hilton

• 37:18Speaker 03

  or somebody else man to man, I'm gonna eat you up today. I'm gonna kill you today, cuz I'm on that, you know? And it was like McVeigh had me ready and prepared. So as far as teams, well, I feel like I joke with, uh, I went to the Giants KC game and I joked with Kansas City. I was like, "Bro, I literally only asked y'all for 3 million." And just respect, because I know what I'm gonna bring outside of my value just to football. I know what I'm gonna bring to your younger receivers in the locker room. I know what I'm gonna bring as a man to the team. I know my energy. So I joke with them, I'm like, "You could've had another ring." I don't know if, if I'd have been there, you know, playing against Saquon Barkley, the best, you know, like it really, were the one, but it's kinda like, I look at it,

• 38:00Speaker 03

  and I don't know if this is even a pitch, like I'm just like, I look at the LA Rams, I look at the Steelers, you know?

• 38:09Speaker 03

  I know, was it Calvin Austin, right? He kinda just, I don't know if something was happening to him. The Chiefs. And you definitely gotta see me back in that blue, that, that blue thing. Like, before I get out of here, like it's my creed to those fans, like I wanna give that, like to the Giants.

• 38:27Ryan Clark?

  I have a question. Jalen Ramsey sat with us after you guys won the Super Bowl, and he said you would've been the Super Bowl MVP. And that same year, which is Coop's triple crown year, we asked him who the top five receivers in the league were, and he said you.

• 38:46Ryan Clark?

  I was there. I fully believe you were gonna be the Super Bowl MVP. You get hurt and you're crying at the end of the game and it's felt like joy. But what were the true feelings? Cause I'm a football player, right? And we're all individually selfish, even though we're team oriented. We want to be the best we could possibly be. You get the tub, you catch the cross or you run off on him, right? It's seeming like it's going exactly the way you thought it was. When they, what are those feelings though?

• 39:20Speaker 03

  So I'll never forget, like, it's a funny story. Left Cleveland in the middle of the year. Go to the Rams. I joined a team that was already a really good team. And I seen it and I got Jalen Ramsey. I got Vaughn Miller who's big bro. Me and Vaughn Miller spent months overseas living together, doing the Drape Tour. We had a house in London. We was going to Stockholm, Norway, Sweden. Wherever it was, we were gone. It was halftime. When I tore my ACL, like, I'm like, I'm like, there's just no way. Cause my ACL had already, so I had surgery the year before. And then I did the surgery and until I signed with the Rams, I didn't know that I didn't have ACL. So he was like, yo, we could either redo your surgery or, you know, you could play on it.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  I just gotta let you know. I'll never forget Dr. Elie Charles, who's like family to me now, Han McVeigh. I was like, I'm gonna die on the sword. Like, I didn't come here to get fucking surgery. I'm sorry. And each week they'd come up to me, how you feeling? You know, boom, boom, how you feeling? And get to the back end of the season, they're like, I don't know, how you still playing? Like I didn't have an ACL. And me and Cooper are two part of the story. After the NFC Championship, after we beat the 49ers ass. We looked at each other and was like, thank God, there's only one more of these. We were just beat down. Like if that would've been a Super Bowl, I could've possibly gotten a little cleanup, you know, got paid.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  Did something, and that wasn't the case. But I tore my ACL. We get in there at halftime, and he's checking it. He's like, I can't let you go out there. Like, as your family now, he's like, if I let you go out there again, he said, you're gonna do something to your knee that will never be able to reverse, you know? And I had to like, take his word. And it was hard, it was the hardest thing ever. Everyone walked out. Pat, I sat in that fucking back room, and I just cried. Just by myself, like crying, you know? You get that wah, god, the whole nine, you know? And I'm doing my old crying thing, and I look up, and I hear like, the stadium erupt. And it was T. Higgins, you know, grabbed Jalen's face mask, and they scored.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  And I grabbed myself right there, and I said, get your ass up, like, you came and joined this team to be a part of where they're at. Like, this shit is so much bigger than you. You in here, this moment's bigger than you. And I grabbed my little hoodie or whatever. My knee was hurting, like, look.

• 41:43Channing Crowder?

  That bitch started to get, by the end of the game, I'm hitting the little, my leg was done.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  And I was like, this moment is so much bigger than you, bro. I don't care what you gotta do. You gotta go out there. You gotta show face. You gotta cheer them boys on. You gotta lead. You gotta be there. And you could just see me, like, I'm on the sideline. I'm just boo-hooing. Like, I just couldn't hold it. Like, it was like, this is that moment that you wait for as a kid. I watched Tom Brady beat my damn Rams in the Super. I watched, you know, all these moments that you waiting for to play in that game. And it was hard for me to like, just that part. Just to not be able to play, to succeed or to fail, just to not have the opportunity, was like, the hardest thing. It's like, all I've been through, like, this is like, I deserve this. It's like, you know, obviously, your plans, God's plans, they align somewhere, but it's always, this is always gonna supersede hard. And it was that, like, going back on the field, like,

• 42:32Speaker 03

  be like, you gotta want it, like, you know? I was just so angry, like, I was just so angry, but I was so hurt, but I was still passionate. Like, I wanted us to win, like. And they ended up pulling it off. And it was like that, that moment that you talk about, you seeing me crying was like, felt like liberation. It felt like when I went to the Nike trial and like, you know, won a bit against Nike, like it felt like that, like justice was done here today, you know? And that part was like, that part was fire to me because it was like, no, like I deserve this, like what are you talking about?

• 43:09Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they don't really know that feeling, Odell. Like as far as people who understand what it's like to be on that stage and, and win, it's only the Tigers. Gators are still drowning in that.

• 43:21Fred Taylor?

  You always showing off in front of company, bruh. But no, you.

• 43:24Ryan Clark?

  You gonna sing that record ass song again?

• 43:27Fred Taylor?

  Nah, we ain't gonna, not today.

• 43:29Ryan Clark?

  I forgot to tell you about that and I still gotta get it done. So we made a bet on LSU Florida. So Fred, because Channing actually.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  I can't bet because I'm still in the league.

• 43:38Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you can't bet. So Channing bet with us. He picked LSU. Fred stuck with them dusty ass ass Gators and now he gotta wear LSU and sing the fight song.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  You gotta wear a purple rain suit with a yellow tie.

• 43:52Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, I'm probably throwing whatever he brings. Well, I got a Fournette custom LSU jersey that he hooked me up with years ago when he was in Dubal.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time.

• 44:06Speaker 05

  We go E. We go E.

• 44:12Speaker 00

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• 44:26Speaker 05

  We go E.

• 44:30Fred Taylor?

  We talked about loyalty, right? So this one, X him out. But anyway, I had a question because all the teams watch our show.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:40Fred Taylor?

  And you say you was jokingly, you jokingly messed with the Chiefs about vet minimum and this and that. But from a passion and how bad do you want it standpoint, would you play?

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 44:51Fred Taylor?

  For vet minimum?

• 44:52Speaker 03

  I don't need it now. Nah. Yeah, let's play for vet minimum. It's about. Can I, can I put this and put it there? Like, and just know I'm coming to play, like, don't think about all, don't think about nothing that's happened. Think about me talking to you right now, like, I wanna play football. It don't be that I gotta catch the passes, but these was made to do that. So if you wanna throw it to him, cool, but I won't. Hit a nigga.

• 45:22Ryan Clark?

  I'm not gonna, how he got 6'11 hands and he 5'11?

• 45:25Channing Crowder?

  Big ass mitts he got.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  I was supposed to be 6'3, but I broke, I broke my back.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  I just wanna hit somebody, I want all of it, like I want.

• 45:35Channing Crowder?

  So the passion of football shouldn't be attached to a number, though?

• 45:40Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying, I don't care.

• 45:41Ryan Clark?

  Nah, I don't, you don't care.

• 45:42Channing Crowder?

  You don't care now?

• 45:43Speaker 03

  I don't care.

• 45:43Channing Crowder?

  Cause that's what it is, so you had to put together, like you said it, you got all this over here. You just wanna go out there and run some routes.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  That's it. Give me, just give me that little bit to take care of my mama, daddy, them bills, family bills.

• 45:55Channing Crowder?

  Could you be a one right now?

• 45:57Speaker 03

  There's some, there's a lot of receivers better than me, you know what I mean? But could I? If you give me 12 chances to catch a ball and the play is designed, you're designing a play against their defense, I don't think nobody, I don't think they're gonna put their one rece, their one corner on me, but like, yeah, bro, yeah. Like, you giving me 12 chances in the game? And the ball's coming by these hands? I believe I'm gonna make the play, period. Do I wanna be the one? If you want me to. I'll do it, but that's not what I'm looking for. Like, that's not it, I just wanna play ball, bro. I wanna be, like, if I was on the same team as, as Justin, do you think I, I'm gonna be mad that he got 18 and got off? Nah, I'm gonna be in there.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  I wanna be with him, like, we gonna be, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's because I'm like, I've, I've.

• 46:46Ryan Clark?

  I know what that's like.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  I've had it, you know? Like, even when I was at LSU, I was never like a star, star receiver. Like, my rookie, my rookie year, things went on and I got to catch a bunch of passes, but it was like running a running route, like an eight yard stop, like that's it. You know, and then Jarvis' second year, like, took off. And we all knew who Jarvis was going into it. Like, he was the reason I went to LSU. Like, he motivated, we locked in at 14, 15 years old and he was like, I don't care. I was like, wherever you going, I'm going. You know, whether it was Oregon, Florida State, LSU, whatever. So it's not about that. Like, I never was the star until I got to New York and he started throwing me. 12, 13 ball and I'm, you know, coming down with the play, you know, pretty much every time.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  But like, it ain't really about that. I just wanna play football. I wanna be able to like, be like, yo, when I look back, there's gonna be a lot of mishaps still. I'll never be able to live with, I mean, not never be able to live with it, cuz I have to, but this tearing on me, this breaking on me, like. I look back at my career, first three years, I did X, Y, and Z. Whatever, when they go pull up the numbers and they can always create a new stat in this world. But whatever I did in the first three years, okay, boom, I get my fourth year. And I have the high ankle sprain and my doctor's like, bro, you can't come back for another three to four weeks. Pass when I was trying to come back. We lose the first game to Dallas, I sat out, I'm like, I'm feeling that pressure of like,

• 48:12Speaker 03

  I gotta get back for my team, like this, if we, you know, lose the next two games, like we just, the season's just gonna be shit. So I put the team in which the whole world thought I was like this selfish, whatever, that I put them before my own personal, where I, you know, in hindsight, do I wish I would've just sat out three weeks and let it fully heal or whatever, yeah. But I get hurt in 2017 in the fifth game against the Chargers. Already got three touchdowns, 300-some yard, 30 catches, like, I'm on the way for another one, 1,000-yard season. Same thing I had already done. Come back 2018 after shattering my ankle. Missed the last four games, so in 12 games, I had 1,100 yards. Seventy, almost 80 catches, six touchdowns.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  What happens if I had the next four games? Well, I'm sitting at the same thing I've been doing. Year after that, get traded to Cleveland, the Giants give me the, you know, everyone's like, oh, why'd you leave the Giants? I was like, I didn't leave, I got booted the fuck out of here. Like, they sent me on my way, you know, and they were like, oh, it was business for us. And I was like, it didn't seem like it was business for one, and that business deal you made, like, didn't work out, right? And I went to Cleveland and...

• 49:26Speaker 03

  Actually was on tour in Paris with Drake when they called me. It's like Jarvis called me, Coach Henry called me, he's like, you wanna come to Cleveland? And I was like, to be honest, like, no, like, not really. Like, you know, I won't, you know, I won't play with you, but like, you know, I don't know if I want to be there. And that happened. And then I finished that season on a terrible season after having hernias torn up. Like, I don't know if y'all had that before, but I wouldn't wish that, I wouldn't wish that one on nobody. Hernia, like, still had a thousand yards, only four touchdowns for me. Like, I feel like I've seen a lot of the great receivers get a bunch of yards, but I'm like, who's scoring? Cause when I'm getting the ball, like, I'm trying to score.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  Like, I'm trying to put points on the board. All 15 receptions, 200 yards, cool, I'm trying to score. Cleveland, 1000 yards, come back the next year, five games into there.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  300 plus yards again, three touchdowns, 30, I'm on the same path for the 1000 yard season, season after season after season after season. Hopefully get 10 touchdowns a year, whatever it is. So, just looking back on my career, I'm like, obviously, anybody can say what they want about one catch and all that. I'm like, yeah, that was like my ninth touchdown of the season though. You know what I mean? Like, it ain't no one catch. In sports, right? How many, how many, we think about Jordan, I'll just take Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, just to make it simple.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  How many moments can you be like, okay, I remember this moment from LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, whatever? You remember Jordan jumping up doing the Utah Jazz? Like, okay, it's not a lot of moments from the greatest of the greatest, you know? And it's like, for me, I had my moment, but I stood on a lot of other moments too.

• 51:13Ryan Clark?

  That was the way you became a star, because they don't put you, you don't become an all pro or a pro bowler, because you made one catch, right? But you make that one catch in the media capital of the world on primetime football, it becomes that. I wanna sort of take a departure, because there's a reason why we're here. And you and I have talked about it, and I wanna give you the space to expound. You do wanna come back. But in coming back, there's going to be some news that you wanted to release.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:46Ryan Clark?

  Yourself. You wanted to explain. You wanted to be able to be the person to tell your own story.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  For me, it's important. Um, I feel like I deserve that. I feel like I've earned that. Like I've earned my stripes to be able to speak my truth, you know? And like not hide from nothing. And this was like a really hard decision. And I got advice from here or there.

• 52:09Ryan Clark?

  What will we find out? Or what will you let us know about how long it can be? Until you can be back on the field?

• 52:19Speaker 03

  Six games. So last year, I was dealing with this. And for me, this was like tough because we talk about those dark times. Talk about the things as a man, like I cheated myself as a man, as a father, as a son, a brother. Like I cheated myself in ways that were hard to like forgive myself for, you know? Whether you're doing things you shouldn't do, you just know like I'm cheating myself. But like I've never cheated the system, you know? And it's hard for me like to come back and play football. I have to come out and deal with while I was in Miami, hearing that you get charged and someone says you failed for PEDs,

• 53:03Speaker 03

  which I've been in a program, you know how to, you know how the shit goes. We're grown men. I'm in a program because I didn't tell them I was in Arizona and I was going to Vegas for one night. And now I'm in Vegas and you want to come take a drug test and I'm not here. And then all of a sudden, it's kind of a crazy thing. Like if you wanted to, if you was in Orlando and you like, I'm going to Miami tonight to go kick it, you're not gonna call moms and be like, yeah, moms. Maybe you update your mom, but like you don't need to, as a grown man, I don't need to be telling another man where I'm going, logging into a computer like, hey, I'm going here. Like, you know, there's a couple of things that are just kind of. You know, we talk about the system and that's, you know, I'll leave that up to them.

• 53:42Ryan Clark?

  So you were, you were already in the program.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  I've been in the program for ten plus years.

• 53:47Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 53:48Speaker 03

  They come test me anywhere in the world. I've never ran from no test ever, never failed a test, not once in my life.

• 53:54Ryan Clark?

  So what happened with this test?

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Year twelve, where, uh, before the season started, you know, we get a lot of blood work. I get my levels back and my testosterone was like below two hundred, right? And I, and we go to, you know, there's a T U E program, like, you know, we're asking all the right questions, yo. Hey, can we, um, file for exemption, you know, testosterone's two hundred, like this is, two hundred is, I think my son got more than two hundred right now. You know what I'm saying? Like it, man time, like that's.

• 54:24Ryan Clark?

  Z grown boy, man.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  He, he'll tell you, he's three, going on five. He's, he said, I'm a grown man. But this was like, okay, they said no, they're like, no, your levels are fine, right? So in twelve years of me being tested out my ass, coming to state to state, you know, the only time they wouldn't test me is if I was overseas.

• 54:46Speaker 03

  And the first time I'm asking about testosterone, in which I haven't changed nothing. I'm not even built like that. Like I'm not, I'm built like my mama, like I'm gifted, you know, like I like to make jokes and I'll, I'll be serious about it, cause it is a serious thing when you get charged and someone says you failed for PEDs, you know, like I don't take those words lightly, but it bothers me because like knowing deep down inside, like I never failed. I mean, I never cheated. I've never like done something, I'm like, bro, I came back from ACL, shattered ankle, ACL again, like why wouldn't those have been the times that I would have been taking something to benefit myself?

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Like I've always been this person who just, I worked hard, like, bro, I, everyone, uh, the high school he went to, his mom, no, bro, I earned all of this. And this was another part that made it even harder. In hindsight, I should have just taken it, if I was gonna walk away last year.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  I should have just taken it, had the six games, got punished then, let people, let it blown over. Now, people gonna go out, get to say what they want to say about me. And like, again, it just goes back to me talking about like, I really know who I am. And even more, sitting with y'all, like men in this room today, like, I stay infirming who I am, like, as a man. And I'm gonna stand there and I'm a... If I look, I was, like, I was talking about them dark times. I'll say this one line. I was lying to myself, the man in the mirror. I was lying to myself about where my heart was at, or where my mind was at, or whatever. And that was the hardest thing for me to deal with. Like, it was a moment that, like, I'm looking at my little boy in the eyes and like,

• 56:27Speaker 03

  you almost, almost as if you were gonna lie. Like, even, even the idea that you was gonna lie to him had crossed my mind. And that was where that line that I talk about, like, the pain had become great enough. You know, like, that was it. Like, I'm, I'm never gonna lie to you, bro.

• 56:41Ryan Clark?

  For clarity, for me.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Six weeks.

• 56:44Ryan Clark?

  Six weeks, but you didn't purposely or knowingly take any performance-enhancing drugs?

• 56:52Speaker 03

  I don't even know. Like, I, I couldn't tell you. We sat there with my man, P T. We, we questioned everything. What is it? Could it have been this? I don't have new, no new supplements. I don't have nothing that just... I can't put my finger on it. And I'm being honest with you. And to say like, and then for me to ask the questions, I'm like, so what is it? And they're just telling me it's your testosterone levels were high.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  I don't know, like, I'm asking. Like, I don't have the information. And you get tested. There's an A, there's a B sample. Somebody tests you on X day, and you get the results three days later, and someone's taking performance-enhancing drugs from... I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but from my assumption...

• 57:40Speaker 03

  There's nothing that's gonna help you perform right now for these five to six hours that's gonna not be in your system in three or four days. So why wouldn't there be some kind of retest? Why wouldn't there come get hair, blood, like whatever, like I never had nothing to hide. It wasn't even something that would... I took that drug test, go about my day. Like, it's not something that I worry about. Like, it's not like, oh, I'm nervous. You know, like, never taking a drug test. It just was more annoying, you're taking time out of my day. That was really the whole thing for me. You're taking time out of my day, I'm gonna meet you here, I'm texting you, come piss in the cup, boom, whatever. But never like hid or ran from nothing, so six weeks.

• 58:17Ryan Clark?

  The question that struck me during that time is you said you started to question about like, even if I would lie to my son. I watched you change, right? I watched you become a man, right? I saw this little boy that looks at you and his eyes are not big enough to see you. How has fatherhood impacted you?

• 58:41Speaker 03

  I told you, I said it saved my life. Honestly, you know? Like I said, it just was, it just was a hard time, bro. Like, as a man, and like those eyes. Obviously, he got my eyes. You know, I always joke, like, I wanna... You know the Drake song, like, "I want my baby to have your eyes"? Like, I wish he got his mama's eyes, like... That's how she got me. But, you know what I'm saying? Like, I wanted him to have, you know, those, like... And I'm looking at him, but like, everything he does... Like, when I say my twin...

• 59:15Speaker 03

  And he's a little lighter than I am, but that's about it. That's my twin, like... We had a whole conversation and, and, uh, Lo was joking, she's like, "This isn't even my kid." Like, you know, this is, this is literally your kid. He, he talking to me like, "Uh, uh, uh." We understanding each other. And then he gave me the soft dismissal, like, yeah, like... Like, it's a thing that I do when I be on the phone, I be like, "Yeah, bruh, so shit, I'm, uh..." She just hollered at me, like, it's like a soft dismissal, like, "It's time to get off the phone, good conversation." And he did that to me. And I was dying laughing, 'cause I'm like, this is my kid. And like, when I had that moment of, if even... I'm talking about, it wasn't like a big, let's just say it was 1%. I was like, "You got some shit going on that you gotta address and you need to fix, and you need to fix up right now."

• 59:59Speaker 03

  And I had that like, come to Jesus, like, liar, liar moment, Jim Carrey, like, "I can't tell another lie," like... I can't not live in my truth because it's killing me on the inside. Like it's harder to live, it's harder to live in a lie, whether you getting away with them or not, than to like just tell the truth and let people live with that truth. Like I'd rather just speak my piece. If you don't like it, I get it, but like at least I say what I needed to. And I wasn't like hiding behind like lies and all that. That's just not where I'm at no more.

• 1:00:31Fred Taylor?

  You know, you talk about hard times and darkness. And when we like being on this side of the game, we've seen a lot of players or former players who were on that stage, who were thriving in that light, right? None as big as you, as RC said, you, I think you've been the biggest. But even when that, that light starts to dim, right? In that darkness, you spoke about, you know, the multiple injuries, having the game taken away from, you know, a test that you don't even know what happened. But now that's, that's putting your return on pause. When guys are on this side and that light isn't shining, a lot of the support tend to kind of go their own ways, right?

• 1:01:15Fred Taylor?

  A lot of the mental stuff starts to kind of take a toll on the guys. How are you in that headspace with everything?

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  You know what I think? I think to a, a private conversation I had with a brother of mine just recently, and he's kind of getting towards that. And I think it's up to us. And I don't know what it is, and it's, it's a side conversation, you know, aside from this that like, it's kind of up to us to create a community because there is that leaving the game, identity part that is very real, that I feel like we don't address or take as serious because you never know how it hits you until. It hits you. Until it does. And I think there's a community that we build. Um, I don't know what it is, again, like I said, but for me,

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  speaking just on myself, I'm like, my mind, I'm, okay. My mind is just too strong, one. I'm also in a position.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Where I'm kind of backed by a lot more than like what everybody else might possibly have. Like I know like I'm gonna be straight after football, period. If I don't have a dollar in my account right here today as we speak, I'm gonna be straight for the rest of my life. No question, right? I don't think everybody is in that. And when you've sacrificed your whole life to get here and you're like, yeah, I played 10 years in the league. And I always explain this to people, like, bro, you give somebody a five-year, $100 million contract, right? What is it really? It's five years for 60. You're getting taxed, do the math, that's 12 a year. You know, that you have to spend, use. Save.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  Save, invest, flaunt, whatever, however, just being real. I'm gonna buy a car, I'm getting my momma a house, I'm gonna do, everything costs money. So if you're spending $4 million a year, that's really 40 million over five years, eight a year. You know, and now you start breaking down the numbers, it's like, that's a five-year span of where you're getting 8 million. Can you make that last forever? And you always hear the people who ain't us and ain't been in the position like, oh, well, that would last a lifetime. Yeah, this job that I sacrificed my whole life for, they are giving me that. I didn't ask for the certain dollar amount or whatever. But we weren't taught about no financial literacy and all the way. Talk about it all the time. We weren't taught this skill.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  And it's kind of like, I'll keep this one under wraps, but I got some things in the work that like, I'm gonna be able to, the generations that are coming up behind us. When you talk about the storm that me and like moms went through, like, I'll be able to be that for somebody else and to be able to help their family on how things are gonna go and yada, yada, yada. And like, if I didn't make, I'll take a dollar. But if I didn't make a dollar from any of these kids, but I could give them the knowledge and the wisdom that I didn't know, I'm doing my part. Like when I lay in that car seat, like I know like I did my role, I know I did the things that I needed to do and provided for the generations coming behind us.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  So then that way they can lay, they had a foundation, now they can lay it for the ones that's coming, you know, after them. That's truly how I feel about it.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

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• 1:05:01Channing Crowder?

  I just want to ask. You done had some bad ones in your life? You done had some bad ones?

• 1:05:08Ryan Clark?

  Was the conversation too deep earlier?

• 1:05:10Channing Crowder?

  No, it wasn't too deep. I was enjoying it. My man is very, I could hear him talk. He's very educated, got his thing together and all that. I see why. I see why. You get the bad ones.

• 1:05:20Channing Crowder?

  Speaking of money, have you ever been flewed out?

• 1:05:29Channing Crowder?

  That's general talk. Have you ever been flewed out?

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  I've, I've got gone places before on planes.

• 1:05:37Ryan Clark?

  You got flewed out?

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  I'm not proud of it.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  I might have got on a plane once.

• 1:05:49Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Ryan Clark?

  He's not proud of it?

• 1:05:50Channing Crowder?

  He ain't proud of it.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  I didn't feel good in the night's robe.

• 1:05:57Speaker 05

  He's sitting sideways.

• 1:05:58Ryan Clark?

  Aw, man.

• 1:06:00Channing Crowder?

  Eating your pastries.

• 1:06:04Ryan Clark?

  I gotta put out. She spent her money. She spent her money, so.

• 1:06:10Channing Crowder?

  You gotta, you gotta shave.

• 1:06:11Ryan Clark?

  If I spend my money, I.

• 1:06:12Channing Crowder?

  You gotta shave.

• 1:06:19Channing Crowder?

  You got a manicure for the third time in life.

• 1:06:24Channing Crowder?

  But you, do you hate it? Because I, I know too much about your damn sex life than I want to.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, I don't, I don't hate it. I hate the idea that like. Everything be so public because I just feel like them people always are poking and trying to like mess up a relationship like I just I just could never understand that just as a person I am.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  If you had whatever going on or whatever, but you had whatever going on on the side, but then the two people who are in the relationship are good with each other. Who is it for somebody else to come in and say how things should be run? This is the standard of society and things that we set. And blah, blah, blah, but it's like, bro, let people, they run they home how they run they home. Don't be mad at that. Now, speaking of, I think I feel like I know who you're talking about. And it was honestly just one of the best humans that I've been around, like a true, probably just one of the best humans, like whenever, you know, I'm get kind of asked this question all the time.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  Just one of the best humans down to earth, like could be in a room right here and we'd be weak. Like, you know, laughing like it's just real, got stories, experiences, success, like.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  It's like salute, like you did your shit, like in a world that is very difficult.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  And it's still like someone who I could lean on for advice, someone who I could ask questions about business like to this day. Just one of the like realest, most organic, rawest kind of things that I possibly have encountered, so.

• 1:08:06Channing Crowder?

  When the, when the dinner tab comes.

• 1:08:09Fred Taylor?

  Hey, oh. When Uncle Chan asks them kind of questions, you can always pivot. This will match your, the Frank, the Frank bracelet, but no, in terms of pivoting.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Pivot for sure.

• 1:08:23Fred Taylor?

  Right, right. I do want to ask you because what LSU, and I can say this as a Gator, what LSU has produced in the last decade plus are some of the best athletes in the entire NFL? And when you talk about one position, I ain't talking about the DBs right now. Wide receiver, you, we had a conversation about that. Who? Are the top five wide receivers produced from Louisiana State University in the last decade?

• 1:08:59Ryan Clark?

  Now you gotta go 2000, you gotta go 2000, starting 2000.

• 1:09:02Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Because I was gonna say it's tough because these last three, they got the, you know how the games change? You know how like we used to watch basketball back in the day and you could step back, but you couldn't step back and then step back again? Like the games changed, the movements changed.

• 1:09:15Fred Taylor?

  Were we going 25 years?

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give those three because they did their damn thing. One, two, and what was he wearing, eight?

• 1:09:24Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:25Fred Taylor?

  So who are we saying?

• 1:09:26Ryan Clark?

  That's Jamar, Justin, Malik.

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  And you know what's funny? When you watch, I've never seen, like Justin is literally my twin. Like he, but he just, he doing it bigger. Like he's doing what, when I looked at Randy and whoever it was, like, like he's doing it. He's surpassed some of the things that I did. He's going to continue. And I love that. I give those three.

• 1:09:51Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  They, I don't know one, two, three, none of that. I can't give you that.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  God, I might need some help as far as receivers because we had.

• 1:10:01Ryan Clark?

  Well, obviously it's Jarvis, you, Michael Clayton.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  I didn't get to do what I needed to do. I don't even put myself.

• 1:10:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Michael Clayton, Josh Reed.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Fuck, JoJo LaFell.

• 1:10:13Ryan Clark?

  JoJo, Brandon LaFell.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Rue went crazy.

• 1:10:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, when you talk about like college, LSU had, like when you go to the pros, the, the biggest star was him. Now you got Justin, you got Jamar. Obviously Malik got hurt. Malik is big time.

• 1:10:29Fred Taylor?

  That brought me to another question because you say Justin is your twin. So Justin's catch versus Buffalo?

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  Not even close.

• 1:10:35Fred Taylor?

  Or your catch versus Cowboys?

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  It's not even close. The DB caught it. He had his hand here. Good shit though.

• 1:10:43Fred Taylor?

  You're saying Justin's catch?

• 1:10:45Speaker 03

  And I don't even, you know. I don't even.

• 1:10:48Fred Taylor?

  I just want to put it on record because I don't know.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  He know that, love him up and down, you know, little bro, you got it, Jets. Yeah, but nah, we're not talking about the same thing.

• 1:10:56Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  You feel me? Like, we talking about, we talking about primetime, not one o'clock. We talking about fifty yards down the field, like.

• 1:11:05Ryan Clark?

  Getting held.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, all that. But it was lucky for me, you know, I honestly, I don't even know what hell even call it.

• 1:11:12Fred Taylor?

  What'd you say?

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  It was lucky, that's what they say.

• 1:11:14Fred Taylor?

  Man, you do it more than once.

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  No, but it was lucky. That one, that one specifically was lucky, that's what they say, so. Yeah, it's not like I practiced that with Jarvis every day for hours, throwing outside WC.

• 1:11:26Ryan Clark?

  WC.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  My partner over here at Brad Wing, throw outside WCA for hours. Me and Jarvis used to take that football and throw it at each other as hard as we possibly can. And it would be like, yo, today, I need fifteen with the left hand, I need fifteen with the right. I need fifteen with your body facing this way, and we'd go for hours and just throw the ball to each other. Like, he taught me, if there was no Jarvis Landry, I don't know where I'd be at sitting here today.

• 1:11:51Ryan Clark?

  So amazing.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  I really don't know that. And whenever he do see this, bring your ass home. Been trying to get to you, it's time, pick up that phone, man. Tell my brother, like, pick up that phone, bro, like, it's time, like.

• 1:12:05Ryan Clark?

  You know, I wanted to ask you. You mentioned building a community. Obviously, I know Brad is your brother. I have friends, like Troy FaceTimes me, Ike FaceTimes me, James Harrison FaceTimes me, right? I have these people who I developed these great relationships post-college. Because we all had the same life, right? Like, I babysat their kids and we went to each other's birthday parties, like, all of that. You didn't have, like, the normal football life.

• 1:12:40Ryan Clark?

  Do you have any deep connections or friendships with teammates from the NFL?

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it kind of, for me, it kind of revert back to, you know, who I am, like, like a Duke Riley, right? I've known him since we was 15. We grew up in New Orleans, training together. He went to John Curtis, who my high school was never gonna beat. Like, John Curtis is, is that team, you know? They was the best.

• 1:13:05Ryan Clark?

  That doesn't, but that doesn't count though. We're talking about somebody you've known since you were 15 years old.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  We was on the same team in the NFL?

• 1:13:13Ryan Clark?

  That don't count.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  You're talking about just?

• 1:13:14Ryan Clark?

  Like, I, I, I met you in the locker room in the NFL, and we were able to create this, this bond to where, to where now, when I am going through something, I can call you because you developed this relationship with me while I was learning to be that man.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  I think sadly enough, those relationships that I built in the world that's kind of created today, allowed for disconnect as you weren't, you know, right there. Like Sterling Shepard. Like, he was somebody who came in, I'll never forget seeing him walk in, and he was the, he was the first round, he was second round, the second round pick? Seeing him walk in, just all T, just smiling. And me and, me and Youngship, you know, like, this is my dog, like, you know, still to this day, like, I flew out, never, I flew across from Paris to LA

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  for his wedding for one day, one night, flew all the way back because that's when I was staying at the time, like. It's people like that that I could think of, that I'm not saying that we ain't the same or don't have the same connection, but you know, life starts to hit everybody.

• 1:14:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  I got kids, I got a woman I'm dealing with, I got, you know, shit, and it just, I feel like this world has created for this disconnect. And that's where I feel bad, in my part, for like, not being able to like, keep up with everybody. But then it's also like,

• 1:14:43Ryan Clark?

  To keep up with me?

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  I gotta keep up with me. And that's, that was one of the biggest and strongest, hardest lessons that I learned this year was like, if I can't even keep up with me and be the best me to present to the ones around me, like, I just ain't gonna be shit.

• 1:14:59Ryan Clark?

  Can you be Clark Kent?

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  Can I be? No, you said Clark Kent.

• 1:15:02Ryan Clark?

  And this is why I asked that. I was never Superman.

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Ryan Clark?

  Right, so doing normal things, being a normal person, quote unquote, just living a simple life was comfortable for me.

• 1:15:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:14Ryan Clark?

  When my skills started to deteriorate, I was never so good at it that I felt it, right? Like, you're joking about catching that ball. If you gave me five million times, I couldn't even do it accidentally.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. I could do it four hundred and ninety-nine, ninety-nine, ninety-nine.

• 1:15:32Ryan Clark?

  And I can't. When that went away, right, you can still catch the ball, but when I can't always get open, I can't, I'm not the best anymore, I'm not the greatest. When that went away, how difficult was it for you to accept that?

• 1:15:48Speaker 03

  I think it's a tough question, because to me, I look at it, and I'm like, it didn't go away, it just, my opportunity to show it went away. And that's me being real. And when the opportunity for me to show it went away, I played myself by allowing me to be like, ah, like, oh. So then when the opportunity did come, I wasn't ready, because I was already blowed, you know what I mean? I was already, I was already mad, like, ah. I'm about to keep running around all fucking game, waiting for my two, three passes, and then I get my two, three passes.

• 1:16:20Ryan Clark?

  And you're not ready?

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  I'm not ready, because I'm pissed off, you know? And that was a maturity thing that I had to, you know, come to realize, and like, the good news is, though, these, these bad boys, they ain't getting ready now. And I don't care about nothing that I've done, I don't care about nothing, I just want to play. Because who knows, God, like, you know, he work in mysterious ways. I've been saying this for the longest, I said, I'm gonna join a team in the middle season, and go win a Super Bowl, and then things happen at the Rams. And like, even this year, I'm gonna join somebody this year about week eleven or twelve, because I gotta deal with this. And I'm gonna take my L the same way I take my wins, like, with grace, and I'm gonna just move forward. People can say what they want about me, they gonna joke.

• 1:17:01Speaker 03

  What is it, a comment from somebody who got thirteen posts and one hundred and seventy-seven followers, and follow four thousand people, and private page, like, some, nobody would ever say to your face. And I'm gonna take it, and you can say whatever you want about me. Like I say, I stand firm in knowing who I am today. I know that I ain't never cheated anybody but myself, you know? Or my son, or innocence, or whatever, like, I've cheated myself, right? And I'm gonna stand on that, and I'm gonna keep it going. And then you gonna see me, maybe at the Steelers or the Rams. Or Jeezy gonna call me, you know? That, you know, that I'm playing in the Super Bowl this year and they gonna be like, "Damn, how the fuck old?"

• 1:17:43Ryan Clark?

  He said it.

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  "How the fuck old playing in the damn Super Bowl?" He ain't, ah, man, he always getting, yeah. And then I'm gonna get that chance again, I'm gonna act that ass. Cause I been waiting.

• 1:17:56Fred Taylor?

  Oh, oh, one more thing. Just the biggest misconception that you think people have about you?

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  I can't say one, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say one, um, cause whatever you think, it ain't that, I mean, but the biggest, if you know what I'm talking about.

• 1:18:14Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:15Speaker 03

  Okay. The biggest, this ain't that kind, this ain't that kind of part.

• 1:18:22Ryan Clark?

  I got it.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  At all.

• 1:18:23Fred Taylor?

  Got that one?

• 1:18:23Ryan Clark?

  I got it.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  You're having me all the time. He right over there, Blake, he be like, the only way somebody, if somebody doesn't love you or like you or whatever it is, is that they don't know you. Like, it's the only way. Like, it ain't no, I, I just know who I am. So, like, the biggest misconception is that it's like this, "Oh, you Hollywood," or, "Oh, you da-da-da," like, nah, I'm not at all. That's why I tell you, I'm like, I have not changed.

• 1:18:52Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Like, anybody who see me now, who's known me for however long, would be like, still the same O, like, it is what it is. So, for me, I don't know, I just know I'm not, whatever you think I am, um, unless it's really good shit, I'm probably not. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:19:11Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, everybody, hey, everybody want that, Chandler. Whatever you think about me that's good, that's who I am.

• 1:19:17Channing Crowder?

  That positive shit?

• 1:19:17Ryan Clark?

  The bad shit?

• 1:19:18Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:19Ryan Clark?

  The bad shit?

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  That ain't me. That ain't me. Go ahead.

• 1:19:23Fred Taylor?

  Well, if you're gonna do the Super Bowl this year, you're gonna have to be playing next to, uh, BT, Brian Thomas Jr.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  You saying who Zaxby was going?

• 1:19:30Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  Okay. Oh, you talking about Madden?

• 1:19:33Ryan Clark?

  In the Madden simulation?

• 1:19:34Fred Taylor?

  Ah, damn. But we got a spot for you.

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  The Madden simi- alright, try to, try to.

• 1:19:38Fred Taylor?

  We got a spot for you. Just, just remember that. We talking about remembering things, remember that. Just keep it right there.

• 1:19:44Speaker 03

  All I want-

• 1:19:45Fred Taylor?

  Just be open.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  All I want for the world to know is that- I be watching. Like, I don't go to games. You just, I don't need to be seen, you know? I'm going to games. I'm very calculated.

• 1:19:57Fred Taylor?

  All I'm saying is just keep an open, you know, just keep an open mind.

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  My mind is open for all the teams.

• 1:20:05Fred Taylor?

  So, check it. We always ask our guests, what's their biggest pivot in life? That's that one moment you look back on and say, because this happened to me or for me, I am who I am today.

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  I would go to two. I would go to one, like I was just telling you, like truly what I've been through in these last nine months. And it was September 13th, 14th. Sometime in the weekend that was New York Fashion Week, that I had my biggest pivot. And, again, I'm gonna keep saying it, like, my brother's right here. And I had my biggest breakdown, where like, I came as is, like, this is me. And he said it wasn't a breakdown, it was a breakthrough. And like, even as I'm crying, like, I'm just a joker. And I'm like, like, you know how they talk about clocking it?

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying? And he said, I was like, damn, that was a bar. But, that was like a moment that was like, for me, it changed everything. Because everything that you've done up until this point, no longer matters if, from this point going there, you're not gonna do some more, you know? And that was one of the, you know, the biggest moments for me. I could go back to where there was, tearing my, you know, to be honest, tearing your ACL in the Super Bowl, winning the Super Bowl, it being bittersweet, you know? Because, not because I wanted to be the star and it was my day, like, no, like, I just wanted that moment, to win or lose, to fail or to succeed, whatever. I wanted that.

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  To then having a parade three days later, and it's like, yay, we're like, my legs like this. I'm like, fuck, like, all I'm still thinking about is the moment. I'm happy. But it's like, you get that ring, but it's like, it was all the hard work just to get that ring. And then, the day after, we get home from the parade, then 3:00 AM I get a text, she's like, oh, I think something's happening. At 6:05, your son's born, at your home, you know? In the bed, you know, like, the natural home birth. Like, that moment, seeing my son. Like changed me forever. So I'm sure there's plenty of moments, but the two, we talk about the pivots, like my son being born.

• 1:22:23Speaker 03

  And this last weekend, coming to grips with who I am and where I'm at today. And being able to look at that person and be like, well, where are we going? Right.

• 1:22:36Ryan Clark?

  That's, that's beautiful, man. I, um, I don't know. I love you.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  That's that part where the song would cut up and hold up, like right there.

• 1:22:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that's good. That's good cut in. That's just.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  That's right there. You got that. Boom. You got that?

• 1:22:46Ryan Clark?

  We got you. Nah, man. I love you, man. And, uh, you know, I talked to your mom for a good bit.

• 1:22:53Ryan Clark?

  And it was like the most beautiful conversation because you talked about being loved. Everything she said was about love. The, the direction, the, the request, the, the ask was all about loving you. You know, and it was so much grace and so much peace in her voice. And I think that going forward, you got to find that for you.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:23:23Ryan Clark?

  Greatness has like, it leaves footprints, but it also has so much adversity. Right? It teaches perseverance. And whatever chapter you're going to write or chapters you're going to write from now on, make them better than the ones that got us here tonight. You know, like, man, we, I personally want to see you win so badly. You know, I, you know, man, there's a, a million times I went on TV and you were the topic. And they knew if you wanted to be something negative, it ain't coming from me. And that ain't gonna change, man. I appreciate you sitting with us. I appreciate you sharing what you share and trusting us to be the voices that allowed you to do it.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  Absolutely. No, I, I really want to say this because it's like. When I sat back and I thought, oh, where do I want to go? And these things, and I mean, you've had this for whatever. And I've got to like actually watch. And like, I love it because it is that brotherhood. Like this is genuine. Let me just keep it at that. And to be able to be here and sit in front of like black men who have succeeded in life, but have also put themselves out there to be vulnerable for someone else to watch. And even if it's one thing that you said, or one thing that you said, or one thing, or one question you asked, that, that allowed that, that like for someone who is sheltered

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  or whatever, to release that end of the world like this, this is a space that's not often, you know, come by. And to be able to share this moment with y'all and be able to tell you all the real things and tell you like, like fuck, I'm dealing with something that, you know, I never in my life thought I would really be dealing with. And to be able to keep it pushing and wipe your hands and clean and feel good about it. That's major. So I appreciate y'all more than you know. Appreciate you making it happen. I know y'all down here. Yeah. Hey, look. And I know you out here, so I appreciate you taking your, your own time, you know? And it's number love. Always. What's up?

• 1:25:26Ryan Clark?

  That was down here. I said, y'all got enough to hear? Hey, look.

• 1:25:55Speaker 05

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now it's your time.

• 1:26:06Speaker 00

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