#56 Ryan Montgomery - #1 Ethical Hacker Who Hunts Child Predators Catches One Live On Podcast

1 in 5 children in the United States will be sexually exploited online. Every 9 minutes, Child Protective Services finds evidence of child sexual abuse. 93% of victims know the perpetrator. These are horrifying and sobering statistics that drove the Shawn Ryan Show to expose this topic–this is where Ryan Montgomery comes in. Ryan is the #1 "ethical hacker" in the world and it's a title he's earned by infiltrating websites that host child exploitation and exposing the predators that run rampant there. Ryan takes us into the underbelly of this dark-web hidden world and lights it up in real time. During the filming of this show, Ryan ran a mini-sting operation from his laptop in a chatroom, posing as a teen–it took less than 60 seconds for a predator to take the bait. This episode is a cold, hard look at the pervasive problem that is child exploitation. Although it's difficult to stomach, we do believe that this episode will educate parents and save thousands of children. Ryan has dedicated his life to saving human life via his treatment center for those with addiction and by forcing this vile topic into the light. We are honored to share his message. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://hvmn.com - USE CODE "SHAWN" https://moinkbox.com/shawn https://LearShawn.com | Call 800-741-0551 Information contained within Lear Capital’s website is for general educational purposes and is not investment, tax, or legal advice. Past performance may not be indicative of future results. Consult with your tax attorney or financial professional before making an investment decision. https://mudwtr.com/shawn - USE CODE "SHAWNMUD" https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" Ryan Montgomery Links: https://pentester.com https://www.instagram.com/0day https://www.youtube.com/@561predcatchers Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Shawn Ryan?

  This is the most evil, the most disturbing, in the darkest episode we have ever released on The Sean Ryan Show. It has to do with predators who are preying sexually on children. Ryan Montgomery, the number-one-ranked ethical hacker in the world, has dedicated his life to hacking into these websites and exposing the predators who are preying on our children to the world. And he has thousands and thousands of names now

• 1:45Shawn Ryan?

  that he's releasing. This is gonna save a lot of kids, and I want you to share this with everybody you know. The public needs to be informed of this, and here's how the kids are gonna be saved. Because everybody says, "Oh, share my stuff," right? Here's how they'll be saved. Every parent that watches this... Will smarten up on what their kids doing on the internet. Every kid that watches this is gonna smarten up and become aware of how prevalent this stuff is on the internet. And every one of you predators that's watching this,

• 2:27Shawn Ryan?

  it's going to put the fear of God into you because when you're caught, you will be humiliated and hopefully in prison. That's how this is gonna save these kids.

• 2:42Shawn Ryan?

  People are gonna smarten up, they're gonna realize this is everywhere, this is on every social media platform, every chatroom, everywhere you go, on the internet, these people are hanging out.

• 2:54Shawn Ryan?

  And unfortunately, we have to fight censorship here because here's one thing, these predators have a lot of powerful people throughout the world, in government, in Hollywood, all over the place, that are sticking up for this community.

• 3:14Shawn Ryan?

  So we've done everything we possibly can to avoid censorship. We have demonetized it ourselves, this isn't about money, this isn't about advertising, this is about saving kids, and that's it. So we've demonetized the video ourself, we've pulled footage, we've bleeped every bad word

• 3:38Shawn Ryan?

  on this video in hopes that it does not get censored because the masses and the people need to watch this now.

• 3:50Shawn Ryan?

  This is a battle between good and evil, and I can tell you right now, good is losing. Unless people like you start to stand up and get loud about this subject. This isn't about politics, this isn't even about the country, this is about kids all over the world. This is happening. Please pay attention and share this with everyone you know. If you want to see the unedited stuff, it'll be on my Patreon and it will be on Rumble in a few days.

• 4:26Shawn Ryan?

  In Patreon, like I said, we demonetized this one. You, you alone are who's making this possible. So, thank you for the support because if it wasn't for you, this wouldn't be happening. With that being said, I want to just say, Ryan Montgomery, I'm real proud to know you, man. And it was a real honor to have you in here and get this interview and educate the world on what you're doing and how these predators are reaching our kids. And it's an honor to be your friend. Thank you.

• 5:10Shawn Ryan?

  One last thing. If you did get anything out of this, please take 10 seconds out of your day and go to Spotify and go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review and tell us what you got out of this. That helps the algorithm push these episodes farther and get more reach. And this is a subject everybody needs to hear. Thank you. Ryan Montgomery, welcome to the Sean Ryan Show, man. Thank you for having me. It's an honor to have you. So, I found you, I found a, a, maybe a 30-second short on Instagram,

• 5:53Shawn Ryan?

  and we'll get into that later, of you exposing, I believe it was a father, who was exploiting his daughter in a bathtub. You had hacked in and exploited that. And so, I reached out thinking, there's no way in hell this guy's gonna give me the time of day because it doesn't look like you're very active on, on the gram. And then, and then I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I'm like, I'm just super excited to be here interviewing you right now. Dude, you are just, you are doing amazing things, saving who knows how many kids. You know, I mean, if you think of the impact of what you're doing, you know, and we'll get into it.

• 6:35Shawn Ryan?

  You'll never know the full impact of how many kids that you've saved by kids smartening up about what they're doing online, parents smartening up about what their kids are doing online, and these pedophiles, you're gonna put the fear of God in them.

• 6:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, for sure. That's the goal.

• 6:53Shawn Ryan?

  There's gonna be less of them preying on these kids. So anyways, we'll get into all that stuff. I just wanted to say how excited I am about this.

• 7:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Likewise, I'm very excited to be here and it means the world to me and especially that the reach that you have, the amount of parents that will be educated based on some of the stuff that we talk about here, even if we save one kid, it's worth it.

• 7:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yes. So let me give you a little bit of an intro here. You're the number one ranked ethical hacker in the world. You're a serial entrepreneur, cybersecurity professional, and now a child safety warrior with your company, 561PC.

• 7:36Ryan Montgomery?

  561PC is not a company. My company is actually Pen Tester, which is a cybersecurity company, pentester.com. 561PC is an organization that I created with my friend Dustin Lamprose or Scrappy. He's a professional MMA fighter.

• 7:53Shawn Ryan?

  We'll get into that soon. And your goal, protecting children and trying to make South Florida and the world a better place by catching one child predator at a time. That's a damn good goal. You go by Zero Day on Instagram. You're like a modern day vigilante. Just some stuff about your hacking life. Zero Day, code for discovered security vulnerability with zero days to fix the flaw. That's the meaning of it. 19 plus years hacking, you're self-taught, no college, no formal education. You claim to have imposter syndrome.

• 8:36Shawn Ryan?

  You mentor and teach others on how to learn this trade. You've made money from working with Amazon, PayPal, and Facebook. And you say that hacking is the best decision you've ever made in your life. Sometimes you hack up to 10 hours a day.

• 8:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, or more, but, you know, working with some of those big companies there would be through bug bounty programs. I don't know if you're familiar with them.

• 8:58Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not.

• 8:59Ryan Montgomery?

  That was prior to us starting Penn tester.com, which is a cybersecurity platform for small, medium-sized businesses at the moment to make sure that they're safe online, to check for data leaks, to check, you know, where your face, where your identity is being broadcasted all over the internet, which goes, you know, hand in hand with what we're doing with predators. And the... Sorry, I got mixed up there.

• 9:29Shawn Ryan?

  It's all good. While you're thinking, every guest that comes on the show gets a gift.

• 9:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Thank you very much. Oh, wow.

• 9:40Shawn Ryan?

  There you go. Go ahead, open it up.

• 9:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Got Vigilance, or no, Vigilance Elite gummy bears?

• 9:46Shawn Ryan?

  That's right. Made in the USA, legal in all 50 states.

• 9:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Gummy bear.

• 9:53Shawn Ryan?

  Right now.

• 9:56Ryan Montgomery?

  And, wow, how did you find out about this?

• 10:00Shawn Ryan?

  We researched you. So I know you love Ritz cheese crackers. You eat, what is it, chicken tenders every day at noon at Burger King and Campbell's soup every night before you go to bed.

• 10:11Ryan Montgomery?

  I quit the Burger King. And now I'm on to Chick-fil-A at 12:30. I do eat Ritz, Ritz-Bitz cheese crackers every single day. Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup. Actually, I walked two miles last night to Walmart. I could have Ubered, but I walked two miles last night to Walmart to get one single can of Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup. And didn't realize there was a microwave in the hotel room. So I even contemplated putting the metal can on the iron to heat it up so that I could eat it last night.

• 10:49Shawn Ryan?

  You walked two miles for a can of Campbell's soup to heat it up on an iron?

• 10:52Ryan Montgomery?

  For a 99 cent can of Campbell's soup, yep.

• 10:55Shawn Ryan?

  Incredible. Well, if you come here again, I'll have that wait in your hotel room for you.

• 11:01Ryan Montgomery?

  No, it's all right.

• 11:02Shawn Ryan?

  But...

• 11:04Shawn Ryan?

  So moving on in the interview, you have a interesting childhood, it sounds like, overcoming addiction. I want to get into your childhood, how you got into hacking, some of the stuff we can do to protect ourselves from hackers, what hackers are capable of. And then the second half of the interview, I want to get into all the stuff you're doing, catching these predators. I think that's very interesting. This is going to be one of the most informative interviews I've ever done. But keeping it light right off the bat, how did you get, how did you get involved with Facebook and Amazon and who is PayPal?

• 11:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so that was actually what I was thinking about prior to you giving me the awesome gifts, what a bug bounty program is. So I don't personally own a bug bounty program, but I work with, you know, a team. I have a team of hackers that we all work together on projects. And to do that legally, there's things called bug bounties. So companies like Amazon, Facebook, YouTube, Netflix, all the huge companies out there, they offer, they offer a monetary value for a bug or a vulnerability that's found in their site. So what I mean by help protect these large organizations, it is through their bug bounty

• 12:25Ryan Montgomery?

  program. They may not be a direct client of the company, or some of them may be, you know, but can't really talk about that publicly. But yes, I've helped protect all of the, all of the above.

• 12:37Shawn Ryan?

  So basically, this is like some type of a red cell program where you try to penetrate these, these big tech companies, and then they, they basically give you, they give you a reward if you reveal how you did it?

• 12:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Right. So you, you have to reward, I'm sorry, you have to reveal how you did it. So they'll, let's say it's an informational bug. An informational bug could be you forgot that a page exists and it shows some, some of your employees' information. So that may be informational if it doesn't impact anything further than that. Whereas something very critical, like I could get access to your server, or all the credit cards, or all your clients attached to your company, that would be a critical vulnerability. And these companies are willing to pay depending on the severity of that vulnerability. So Apple, for example, if you were able to take over an iPhone, they'll pay you a million dollars for something like that.

• 13:31Shawn Ryan?

  They'll pay you a million dollars?

• 13:33Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, a million dollars for what they call a zero-click exploit, meaning I can send you something that you won't even know happened, and I have full access to your phone. Million-dollar bug bounty.

• 13:44Shawn Ryan?

  Have you done that before?

• 13:45Ryan Montgomery?

  No, I haven't personally found any bugs in the new iPhones. But if I did, I'd be sure to report it to Apple.

• 13:54Shawn Ryan?

  So if you don't mind me asking, what's the biggest bounty you've collected? What was it for?

• 14:00Ryan Montgomery?

  I can't tell you what it was for, but I could tell you, because there's disclosures and there's non-disclosures. So I can't disclose the company or what the vulnerability was, but it was for over... It was $128,000 in credit on a platform. I chose that over the cash.

• 14:20Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 14:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:21Shawn Ryan?

  So these are good-sized bounties?

• 14:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 14:24Shawn Ryan?

  How many bounties have you collected?

• 14:28Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know, quite a bit.

• 14:30Shawn Ryan?

  Hundred, two hundred?

• 14:33Ryan Montgomery?

  If you combine my team, hundreds.

• 14:35Shawn Ryan?

  Hundreds?

• 14:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, but that isn't what I focus on anymore. I focus on the cybersecurity business, which is all software, and that's a lot more guaranteed. Whereas bug bounty, there's nothing against people that do bug bounties, but it's not guaranteed revenue or income. You have to just keep taking shots at companies, trying to find something, and hope that you get paid, where there's no stability in that.

• 15:04Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 15:04Ryan Montgomery?

  There's bug bounty hunters that make a million dollars, two million dollars a year, but then the next year, maybe they make 10 grand or less. Or they spend six months on one project, and they make zero dollars. It's not sustainable for me.

• 15:20Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 15:20Ryan Montgomery?

  So I started a company with my business partners, Rick, Sean, and Dan. And like I said, it's called pentester.com. It's very simple. You just go to the site. You put in the name of your website, you press scan, and it does a preliminary scan, tells you what, you know, basically, if you're, if you, if you have any like low hanging fruit vulnerabilities and leaks, you know, like passwords associated with your emails or your employees. And you can sign up for an account and do a more invasive scan that will give you a lot more information.

• 15:53Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting, interesting. Well, let's, let's dive into your childhood.

• 15:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Sure.

• 15:58Shawn Ryan?

  Where'd you grow up?

• 16:00Ryan Montgomery?

  I grew up outside of, right outside of West Philadelphia in Delaware County, Pennsylvania. And I, yeah, I lived there most of my life.

• 16:11Shawn Ryan?

  What were you into as a kid?

• 16:13Ryan Montgomery?

  For the most, for the most part, I was a normal kid. But after eighth grade or so, or starting eighth grade, I started to meet the wrong people. And I was in the wrong places, doing the wrong things. And I met some people that were on drugs, that were a little older than me. And I started to, started to adapt and I started to go to these, at that time, there was a rave scene in Philadelphia and I really liked that. I loved going to the raves and doing, doing drugs, you know, and, and acting, acting like a nut, you know? And I, I was just a young kid that nobody knew that I, and I never told anybody my age back then. I, to be honest with you, I, I was lying to people about my age back then.

• 16:58Ryan Montgomery?

  And those raves turned into getting, you know, doing ecstasy and other types of drugs at the raves. And I found out over time that I didn't really like the raves as much as I liked the drugs. And then I figured out that when I took, when I took something to come down from the ecstasy, that I actually liked what I was coming down from the ecstasy with more than I liked the ecstasy.

• 17:25Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 17:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, which was opiates. And that turned into a bigger problem.

• 17:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that can turn into a massive problem. Did you, did you think you were a full on addict?

• 17:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, at the time, yeah, I was, I was in full belief that I was a drug addict. You know, I was physically withdrawing from opiates at one point in my life. So, yeah, I had every reason to believe that I was. Um, and I don't know how far you want to go into it at this point, but there was, there was a time where I realized that I went through a bad phase as a child. But I do know that addiction exists. I have a lot of it in my family, especially my dad's side. And, um, and I did some things to combat that, uh, you know, because of those reasons. But me personally, I haven't used drugs or alcohol in a very long time, since I was a child, pretty much. And, um, no drugs, just, uh, but I wouldn't say that I'm in recovery either.

• 18:23Ryan Montgomery?

  I just, I, I kind of moved away from that.

• 18:26Shawn Ryan?

  What was the family life like? Good family life? Were you close with your parents?

• 18:31Ryan Montgomery?

  So I, I was, I'm, I'm very close with my mom. Uh, my grandfather passed away a few years ago and he was like a father to me. He, he, uh, he raised me, you know, the best father I could have asked for. Um, I wouldn't know what a father's like without him. And he passed a few years ago and it was very rough. But I was blessed to be there. I was with him, uh, when he passed. And he had a great life and was a great man. My mom, my mom is absolutely fantastic, has been supportive with me even at my absolute worst. And, um, I put her through hell. Um, and, uh, as for my dad, he's been, he's been in and out of my life.

• 19:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, he, I, I, during this interview, while we speak right now, he is currently, uh, in jail for, uh, for something, something stupid this time. It was, you know, drinking, I, I think he had an open container of alcohol and he stole some stuff from Kohl's. But, uh, you know, my dad and I, you know, I have some step brothers and sisters that I love. And, and he, when he's, when he's messed up on drugs and alcohol, he's not the best dad. So we, you know, we go on and off talking to each other.

• 19:46Shawn Ryan?

  So from what I understand, you're a high school dropout.

• 19:49Ryan Montgomery?

  I am, yeah.

• 19:50Shawn Ryan?

  What grade did you drop out?

• 19:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Going into 10th grade.

• 19:53Shawn Ryan?

  Going into 10th grade, so you have up to a 9th grade education?

• 19:56Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, technically, yeah.

• 19:58Shawn Ryan?

  And you are the number one ethical hacker in the world. How did you get into hacking?

• 20:04Ryan Montgomery?

  It kinda, it kinda just happened because I was very young and it didn't just happen. I mean, there was a lot of stuff that happened in between it, but when I was very young, my grandparents had a computer at the house and I don't know if you remember this, but back in the day AOL used to send floppy disks in the mail and they'd give you a trial. And I remember the shape of the floppy disk and I remember seeing the front of this desktop that my grandpa, I think he brought it home from work or something back then. And I remember seeing the shape of the floppy disk and there was a little icon of it on the desktop computer. And I was like, I wonder what would happen if I put this floppy disk in the computer?

• 20:46Ryan Montgomery?

  And I saw the AOL logo from the mail show up on the computer screen. And it blew my mind as a kid. It blew my mind. I was like, how did that just happen?

• 20:56Shawn Ryan?

  How old are you?

• 20:58Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm 29.

• 20:58Shawn Ryan?

  No, I mean, how old are you at this time?

• 21:00Ryan Montgomery?

  I had to have been like 8, 9 years old at that time, maybe.

• 21:06Ryan Montgomery?

  And that blew my mind and I wanted to know how it worked. You know, from that point on, I just had this obsession with how do computers work? Why did that just come from a piece of cardboard and show up on the screen? And, you know, I just kept learning and learning about computers and learning, fixing computers and meeting people, you know, that on the internet through AOL Instant Messenger and other apps. And then I found, it actually started with a marketing, marketing community at first. People that were doing digital marketing back in the AOL days. So just spamming out massive amount of emails, like millions and millions of emails. But then in that community, there were some hackers, you know,

• 21:50Ryan Montgomery?

  people that were writing automation tools and finding exploits and finding ways to convert on ads better and this and that. And I ran across this one guy who ended up going to prison later for hacking, uh, I believe it was AT&T and a few other major cellular carriers. He was, he, he stole some prepaid minutes and back then prepaid minutes were a big deal. So he stole millions of dollars worth of prepaid minutes with his partner in crime, Edwin was, Edwin was his partner and the guy that I'm talking about is Robert Moore and his hacker name, he went by Moore R., Moore R. And, uh, he ended up, uh, he ended up stealing these credits and Edwin would go to these

• 22:32Ryan Montgomery?

  places all over, the malls and the small cellphone stores, and he would resell these credits for a cheaper price than the carriers would sell them for. So they sold, like I said, a ton of those and Edwin decided to leave the country. He left the country, he was doing all this fancy stuff, private jets, yachts, hotels, girls, cars, doing it all. While Rob was sitting at home, you know, hacking for this guy, this guy wasn't doing anything but selling the minutes. And, and then Rob, you know, gets a knock on the door, it's the FBI and they, they come in, they seize everything he has. Rob ends up, out of all of this, out of millions of dollars worth of sold minutes, Rob ends

• 23:13Ryan Montgomery?

  up with like 20 grand in profit and two years in federal prison. And, uh, they confiscated all of his stuff, everything that he had. And he gets out of prison, they, and Edwin's on the run. They finally get Edwin, I believe Edwin got like 10 years or something, which he deserves it honestly, uh, cause he took advantage of Rob. In a weak, weak point in Rob's life, he took advantage and Rob is not meant for federal prison and, you know, he ended up there. But yeah, Rob is the person that, uh, from the, like I was saying with the instant messenger chats, Rob's the person that motivated me to learn about hacking and spent the time with me and showed me some things that, cause there weren't, there weren't learning sites

• 23:54Ryan Montgomery?

  like tryhackme or, or, uh, you know, github.com or any, or Stack Overflow or Google. There wasn't, none of that existed back then. So you couldn't look up, uh, you know, certain methodologies or hacking or how to do reconnaissance. There was, there was, it didn't exist.

• 24:11Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, so Rob gave me, gave me some pointers. Uh, it's, it's not a cookie cutter thing. Hacking is very broad.

• 24:20Shawn Ryan?

  So let's, let's backtrack real quick. How old, so you're, I believe you said you started hacking at 10 years old.

• 24:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Eleven, yeah.

• 24:28Shawn Ryan?

  Eleven years old.

• 24:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Turning 11, yeah, about 11, I would say 11.

• 24:30Shawn Ryan?

  At what point are you conversing with, with Moore?

• 24:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Probably when I was 11. He might not have known I was 11, but.

• 24:39Shawn Ryan?

  How did you guys, like, how did you find him?

• 24:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, group chats, back in the AIM days.

• 24:44Shawn Ryan?

  How does that, I mean, how does that conversation go? Hey, I'm looking for some hackers to teach me a couple things.

• 24:52Ryan Montgomery?

  No, no, I just, I was do, I was marketing and, and interested, you know, I was just active in the communities. And I knew what Rob was capable of. He could do some really cool stuff with a computer. And it was really just asking questions, you know? And Rob and I got along so well and, you know, I actually flew out to see him later in life, to Washington State. I stayed with him for a week, but, you know, we kicked it off for some reason. I don't know what that reason was. I can't remember that far back. But Rob was, Rob was the person that helped me at least get started in what I, what I do today.

• 25:25Shawn Ryan?

  What were you wanting to hack in at 11?

• 25:28Ryan Montgomery?

  I think I was more interested in just shutting people's internet connections off, like, simple stuff, you know? Nothing, nothing crazy and making money, marketing, you know, it's, you know, a lot of 11-year-olds would probably not think about selling things on the internet, but I wasn't making a ton of money as a kid. I didn't have rich parents or anything like that. And I wanted to make money ASAP. And I knew that digital marketing, like, the groups that I was in, I was seeing all these people making fortunes selling, you know? One example, we, we were selling acai weight loss berries. And it was a huge thing back in the day. And there were some affiliate marketers making 30 grand a day, doing AOL spams, making millions, millions of, millions of emails per day,

• 26:11Ryan Montgomery?

  making 30 grand a day on average. It would blow my mind. And I, I don't remember every specific about names and what programs they were on, like affiliate programs they were on back then, but I knew I wanted to be involved in that. And I thought that automating it and finding exploits in, you know, in, I guess, websites or people's, people's computers would enhance my, my profits. And it did.

• 26:44Ryan Montgomery?

  But then, all the money that I made there, all the money that I made, you know, it all went to drugs and doing dumb stuff. But, you know, I wouldn't take it back because I learned a lot. I grew up quick and there's some benefits there and some things that aren't so good there, but...

• 27:00Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's keep, let's stick with childhood hacking. So, at what point in your childhood did you start making money doing this?

• 27:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Probably 12, 11, 12 years old, I was right into it.

• 27:14Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how much money are we talking?

• 27:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Couple grand here and there. Which is a lot for a kid.

• 27:19Shawn Ryan?

  That's a lot for a 12-year-old.

• 27:20Ryan Montgomery?

  It felt like a billion dollars to me.

• 27:24Shawn Ryan?

  And so, were you always an ethical hacker?

• 27:27Ryan Montgomery?

  No.

• 27:28Shawn Ryan?

  What are some of the things that you've done, that you've hacked into? What's one of the... Give us some examples.

• 27:37Ryan Montgomery?

  So, I guess it depends on what you want to know. Like, people or organizations or both?

• 27:43Shawn Ryan?

  Let's go into all of it.

• 27:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean, there's... I'm limited by what I can say here. I know there's a statute of limitations, I'm sure I'd be fine, but there's some things that I would, I regret that I would take back. But there is one thing out there that's public. There's a rap song that mentions me about, you know... Are you familiar with crypto mining?

• 28:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 28:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so I hacked a ton of computers. I had a method, I won't explain the method because it still could work today, where I could infect computers with malware. And a lot of people that infect computers with malware, which is just people, you know, if you don't know what malware is, it comes in various forms, but the type that I'm talking about is called a remote access Trojan. And that's like the equivalent of me standing in front of your computer with full access to it and I can, you know, I can look through your webcam, I can control your keyboard, your mouse, look at your screen, do anything I want without you knowing that I'm there. And...

• 28:43Ryan Montgomery?

  I infected a ton of computers. And instead of having the remote access Trojan functionality where I could do, you know, I could take control of these computers, I decided to do crypto mining. So at that time, it was just Bitcoin and Litecoin. And, you know, I had quite, quite a bit of infected computers mining at all times. The thing that I did that was, if you could say, nice, was that when the computer was idle, it would use 100% of the processor and the graphics card to mine the coins. And when the computer was in use, it would only use 20%. So they wouldn't, you know, have a horrible experience with their computer just being bogged down the entire time.

• 29:26Ryan Montgomery?

  But that was, I guess, when Bitcoin started around that time.

• 29:31Shawn Ryan?

  So you had hacked into, how many computers? Hundred?

• 29:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Thousands.

• 29:36Shawn Ryan?

  Thousands of computers?

• 29:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, probably tens of thousands.

• 29:39Shawn Ryan?

  And so all of these, these tens of thousands of computers are mining cryptocurrency and going into your account?

• 29:49Ryan Montgomery?

  They were going into a pool. So pooled mining is a lot of people mining together. And then all of the, whoever's putting in the most, like, I guess, the reward is split based upon the contribution. So if you're contributing twice as much as me, you'll get twice as much of a profit. So it was all being sent to a specific pool offshore.

• 30:13Shawn Ryan?

  Why did that stop?

• 30:18Ryan Montgomery?

  I have morals, you know? And there was, there was, there was a situation that came up where, obviously, the bots, you know, if, let's say, had to change a pool or something went wrong, they had to be updated across the board, you know? Every single bot would have to be updated to be pointed at a different address. I still had access to be able to do that. And I was in a community at that time with some bad people who wanted to, you know, kind of buy access to my bots. And I wasn't okay with that. And it kind of lined up perfectly with another business opportunity that I had in life, where I kind of just said, you know what, screw this, I'm done not taking the risk.

• 31:02Ryan Montgomery?

  You know, if I get in trouble with what they call a botnet, if I get in trouble with this botnet, I'm doing a long time in prison. And it's just, it's not worth it to me. I can't get in trouble. And I stopped. I stopped on my own will. I didn't get caught. There was people that knew about it, you know, hackers, they may not have known it was me. Now, now they know it's me, but at the time, they didn't know that it was me. But no, I didn't get caught and I'm past the statute of limitations. I didn't hurt anybody. Maybe, maybe your power bill went up a couple cents, but that's about it. But yeah, that's, that was the extent of that specific hack.

• 31:38Shawn Ryan?

  Was that, was that the one that, was that the, the hack that changed you? That turned you into Ethical or, or was there?

• 31:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, I would say, yeah, I would say, yeah, yeah. Because around that time, I switched to doing cybersecurity and, and starting the other businesses that, that, you know, we're going to talk about. It's, so yeah, I would say, yeah, yeah. I never really thought of it till now, but that's when, that's, yeah, I would say that's when I became an Ethical hacker, rather than a gray hat or a black hat hacker.

• 32:09Shawn Ryan?

  What, what is a gray hat hacker?

• 32:11Ryan Montgomery?

  Gray hat is in between. So somebody that like, for example, if I went to your website, I hacked your website and I sent you an email and said, hey, I found a vulnerability on your site. You could call, you know, the FBI and say, hey, this guy just hacked my site and I didn't give him permission, or you could say, thank you. You know, that's a gray hat hacker.

• 32:26Shawn Ryan?

  And a black hat?

• 32:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Black hat just, you know, takes over your website, tells you, hey, you better pay me or I'm releasing all your information or deleting your site. And here's all the information about you and your wife and your family and everything, blah, blah, blah, blah. Black hat hackers are, you know, they, they're kind of ruthless.

• 32:45Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 32:47Shawn Ryan?

  You're in the cryptocurrency business, being a hacker, or you were. Is this the way of the future? Are we going to, what do you think? What's your opinion on this?

• 32:56Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, cybersecurity and keeping yourself protected on the internet is the future. If you're not paying attention to that now, you, I mean, and you're not seeing your browser that's warning you, the TV that's warning you, the constant news, the constant ransomware notices, I mean, if you haven't heard about the active breaches right now on all of these major websites, and you're not doing anything about it, you really should start, because it is the future and it's only going to get more intense and it's only going to get more dangerous. And everything that you have, like, you know, is attached to the internet, everything. I mean, unless you live out in the middle of nowhere with no internet connection, and

• 33:36Ryan Montgomery?

  even, even the power in your house is controlled by a remote switch, you know? Like, what if I turned off your power for a week and you live out in the middle of nowhere? You just, you really have to take your security seriously. That's just a random thought, but it's a possibility.

• 33:52Shawn Ryan?

  I meant, I actually, I'm glad you brought that up, but I actually meant cryptocurrency. What's your opinion on cryptocurrency? Is it here to stay? It's very volatile.

• 34:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Very volatile. I think that Bitcoin's here to stay.

• 34:06Shawn Ryan?

  Do you?

• 34:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 34:07Shawn Ryan?

  Are you all in on Bitcoin?

• 34:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, can't confirm or deny.

• 34:14Shawn Ryan?

  Would you like to see Bitcoin?

• 34:16Ryan Montgomery?

  I would love to see Bitcoin hit the moon. I mean, it's doing well at this moment, it's around 30 grand, but I would love to see what it was projected to be at in the hundred thousands, possibly a million a coin.

• 34:28Shawn Ryan?

  You think that's possible?

• 34:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Absolutely. I mean, it was, when I started, it was only, you know, maybe a couple dollars at the most per coin.

• 34:36Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. Well, what brought you to South Florida?

• 34:41Ryan Montgomery?

  I got, so I started a marketing company for, to help people get into drug and alcohol rehab. And for anyone that's familiar with that topic, they're gonna think, okay, well, he had a marketing company. He was doing a thing called patient brokering, which is a felony. And I was not doing that. I didn't even know what that was at the time. I just knew I could generate leads from the internet. And I started this company called The Treatment Source, which was just a website. They filled out a survey and the survey would bring them to a 1-800 number if they had mental health or substance abuse, they changed the term, substance use issues. And I would then send those patients or clients to a drug and alcohol rehab in South Florida.

• 35:23Ryan Montgomery?

  And I was generating a ton of clients and doing really well with the internet marketing campaigns. And one day I get a call from a guy who says to, you know, he was like, hey, you won't come to Fort Lauderdale Airport right now. And this is like, you know, right when I'm waking up. And I was like, yeah, I will. Like, I was just, you know, he thought I was joking. I called him a couple hours later. I booked my flight. And I was like, hey, I'm at the Fort Lauderdale Airport. He didn't believe me. And he picks me up at the airport and, you know, he was blown away that I even showed up there. But, you know, I had just like a week's worth of stuff packed with me. And when I got back to his house, we were talking about, you know, like the rehab business and, you know, the marketing

• 36:06Ryan Montgomery?

  and all the intricacies of the industry. And we became good friends at that point. And I, you know, I was thinking, well, why don't I start a rehab? You know, like, maybe, maybe I could do this myself. If I can generate the business for a rehab, maybe we can, we could do it together. So he was like, yeah, well, I own one now, obviously, because he was one of my customers at that time. And he decided to sell his shares in his rehab and use that to buy, or I'm sorry, to invest into one with me. And we started a treatment center together. And I decided to move to Florida. So I went back to PA. I put my car on the back of a U-Haul, filled it up with all my stuff,

• 36:50Ryan Montgomery?

  drove down to Florida from Pennsylvania and never looked back and started a drug and alcohol and mental health facility.

• 36:57Shawn Ryan?

  How old are you at this point?

• 36:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Twenty-two.

• 37:00Shawn Ryan?

  You started... A rehab at age 22?

• 37:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I think I was the youngest owners in the treatment world at that time, yeah.

• 37:08Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. What, so what was your motivation for this? Cause you are, from our, from our research, you are all about helping humans.

• 37:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah. So my motivation was, you know, like I said earlier, that, you know, my family, my dad's side specifically had some serious drug issues, still, still dealing with them. I went through some serious drug issues. I, you know, a lot of friends of mine have gone through drug issues or still going through drug issues. And I just, you know, maybe I got this from my mom, my grandma, my grandpa, but I just love to help people. I don't know what it is. It's, it makes me happy. And I guess, what would that be hospitality? Hospitality has always just been something that makes me happy.

• 37:55Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you had some pretty tragic experiences as well. If I remember correctly, do you want to go into any of those?

• 38:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, well, there's a lot of them. So are you talking more of the addiction side of things?

• 38:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you had a couple of friends die.

• 38:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm-hmm. So I've had a lot of friends die due to, to heroin overdose or carfetanol, fentanyl, butrofetanol, acetophenol, all of the different fetinals that are getting over here and being, you know, put in this, in heroin. And I understand that they chose to use drugs regardless of what was in it, but they definitely weren't planning on dying.

• 38:33Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll tell you, I mean, I lost my uncle Richie to an overdose. I lost my best friend Ricky Rivas to an overdose. And I was, you know, I'll tell you that story because this is, this is how something else happened. But I got a call from Ricky's parents a couple of years back. And they were like, you know, I haven't heard from Ricky since this morning. And do you mind going over there and checking on him? And he was about a 15 minute drive from me. And he wasn't answering my phone calls. And at this time, he wasn't on drugs. He wasn't messing up or anything. He worked for me at the rehab and we spent every day together.

• 39:15Ryan Montgomery?

  So I go to his, I go to his condo. I walk in the door and, you know, I look to my left and I see him in the bathroom and he had his face up against the vanity. And, you know, he was wearing his, wearing his shorts and I saw that he had a needle and a spoon and just, you know, it didn't look good. So I ran over and I tried to wake him up and he wasn't waking up. So I called 911 and I'm running down through the elevator to go to get, I didn't even, I didn't think anything was wrong with him. So I didn't bring Narcan upstairs or anything. Like Narcan's what saves opiate addicts from overdosing. So I ran to my car, I grabbed that, 911's telling me what to do. I get back to the room and, you know, they told me to take him off the toilet and put

• 39:58Ryan Montgomery?

  him on the floor and his body was still in the position that it was in when I saw him sitting there. And his face was sideways from being on the vanity and I'm still in denial at this point. I gave him the Narcan in his leg. I was, you know, giving him CPR like they said to do. And I just, I remember when the cops showed up and the ambulance showed up, they, they, they didn't talk to his parents. I did. I told his parents that their son was gone and, which I thought was a little bit ridiculous. I thought that the detective should be the one handling that, especially with how I was, you know, I wasn't, I was crying my eyes out, like I lost my best friend, you know?

• 40:44Shawn Ryan?

  I lost my best friend to addiction too.

• 40:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah?

• 40:47Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 41:01Ryan Montgomery?

  So, sorry.

• 41:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, my best friend, he was a SEAL. I worked with him at the agency. He experienced a lot of trauma, became addicted to opiates for injuries. Then that just became, you know, straight addiction. They cut the pills. He went to heroin and.

• 41:27Shawn Ryan?

  He, I spent a lot of time trying to get him better. Moved him with me, got him back on his feet, got his family involved, got him into therapy. I mean, it was, I love this motherfucker, you know? We'd been through a lot of shit together. And, um, he, he was a phenomenal hockey player. And, you know, I used to live in Boca Raton too. And, and so he would, he lived, uh, right by me. And he kept telling me he wanted to start this hockey nonprofit for wounded warriors. And that he was gonna get the Panthers to sponsor it.

• 42:09Shawn Ryan?

  Now, he wasn't, he's one of the smartest human beings I've ever met in my life, even when he was high. But as it got worse and worse, he, I mean, you didn't even, just his appearance, you didn't even wanna be around him. He just looked sick. And I was, in the back of my head, I was like, yeah, okay, you're gonna get the Panthers on board. Well, I'll be damned, this son of a bitch got the fucking Panthers on board. And, um, he, I, I think it was the, the first NHL team to sponsor, um, a wounded warrior. You had to be a disabled veteran to play on the hockey team.

• 42:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 42:50Shawn Ryan?

  They, he had somebody helping him. The Panthers called the guy that was helping him to tell him, hey, we're gonna do it. We're gonna sponsor the team. You got the NHL sponsor, we're gonna sponsor the team. That guy went over to tell him, hey dude, you did it.

• 43:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 43:09Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, nobody answered the door. And, uh, trying to keep my shit together here, but, um.

• 43:18Ryan Montgomery?

  I understand.

• 43:20Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. He didn't answer the door, um. Got on a stool to see, you know, the top part and and there he was. Laying on the floor, you know, and um.

• 43:33Ryan Montgomery?

  Sorry to hear that, man.

• 43:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:35Ryan Montgomery?

  I know, I know what it feels like.

• 43:36Shawn Ryan?

  I just wanna, want you to know I can relate. And I've lost a lot of, lot of friends to addiction.

• 43:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Likewise, that was the first one, obviously, that happened to me. And uh, and I, you know, I found them and uh, it's, I can't explain that and, you know, I can't bring them back. But what you can do is educate people and try to help more people so that it doesn't happen to them. And you can't fix everybody, you know, you can't get it through everybody's head that they need to stop. And it's dangerous and it's not just heroin and opiates like it used to be. It's uh, you know, it's coke, it's meth, it's uh, it's painkillers that are pressed. It's Xanax, it's, they all are being cut with fentanyl. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's fact. I mean, the number one leading cause of death, eighteen to forty-nine right now, is fentanyl. Um, that's more than car accidents, more than anything else.

• 44:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Eighteen to forty-nine years old, fentanyl. So, any drug that you're doing, you have to be careful that, you know, not be careful. You have to, you have to just try to get away from it or get a testing kit. If you, if you refuse to stop doing drugs, get testing kits because fentanyl will kill you.

• 44:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:42Ryan Montgomery?

  And uh, yeah, yeah, it's, it's pretty rough, but with the rehab uh, program around that time, not, not long before I lost Ricky, I lost another friend Drew and uh, and my business partner at that time. You know, him and I, we both, you know, were friends with Drew and I was, I was closer with uh, with Ricky. And um, we decided to start a scholarship program and it was called, we named it the Drew, Drew Badgley Scholarship Program, which was to help people get into drug rehab that didn't have the financial means to, to pay. And the reason, you know, that's important is because when I was a kid, I didn't have private health insurance or, or money.

• 45:23Ryan Montgomery?

  So there was no way I was going to a nice facility like one I had or other ones in Florida or other states that are private. The, the. The government facilities, you know, they take Medicare or Medicaid, but some of them have two, three month waiting lists. Addicts can't wait two, three months, you know, they die. And, you know, as you know, it could take, it could take one bad dose, they're dead. So having a private facility and somebody that really wants to get clean, it's, if, if they don't have the right insurance or the right money, you have to turn them down. And it just bothered me so much that you can't help somebody that I was in their shoes. You know, I wanted help or, or people in my family wanted help and couldn't get it.

• 46:05Ryan Montgomery?

  And I, I started that scholarship program with my old business partner. And we brought a ton of people in, probably over a hundred in, in the seven years, seven or so years that I was there.

• 46:17Ryan Montgomery?

  It may be even more than that, but at least, at least a hundred. And, um, you know, full scholarship, no, not a, they didn't spend a dollar. And a lot of them did well, some of them relapsed, you know, you can't fix everybody. But, uh, you know, we turned, uh, after, after, you know, time went on, we, we adapted to how, you know, the scholarship program. We, we built programs around that. We built programs around trauma. We built programs around, you know, specifically mental health, specifically co-occurring mental health and substance use disorder, all, all kinds of different things. Uh, and then we branched out till we opened a detox, which was another facility. Cause at that point we had partial hospitalization, intensive outpatient and outpatient,

• 47:02Ryan Montgomery?

  but we didn't have detox. So we were sending them to other facilities and then we would take them. So then we had two facilities and then we realized, okay, well, a lot of our people we were getting are coming from New Jersey or Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, Massachusetts, up in that area. So we decided to start another facility in New Jersey. And, uh, we started, uh, it was called the Shore Detox, but it got changed again. The name of it got changed. And, um, I sold my shares in, in the rehab about two and a half, two and a half, three years ago, right around the time that, uh, that I started to, you know, catch the predators. And I got into the software as a service world and buying software companies and operating them and selling them.

• 47:44Shawn Ryan?

  You are an amazing human being, man.

• 47:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Thanks.

• 47:49Shawn Ryan?

  To do something that has that amount of impact at that young age. I mean, that's just to do it in general is amazing, you know, and you did it at what? What'd you say, 22?

• 48:02Ryan Montgomery?

  22, yeah.

• 48:02Shawn Ryan?

  That's incredible. You realize that?

• 48:05Ryan Montgomery?

  I appreciate it.

• 48:07Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome.

• 48:08Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm still on it. I'm still on the mission. It's not over, you know?

• 48:11Shawn Ryan?

  Good for you, man.

• 48:12Ryan Montgomery?

  There's so much more to come. And one spot that I forgot there was the electronic medical record system that we use, like the same thing you would see at your doctor when they put in notes about you being, you know, at your visit. We used one called, I won't say the name, but we used one. And I got involved with those guys afterwards. And like after I sold my shares, I went right to their office and I set up one of those plastic tables, put my computer in there, even though I wasn't involved at that time in that business.

• 48:43Ryan Montgomery?

  I wanted to work out of their office because I liked the software world. And at that point, I wasn't sure if I was going to do digital marketing or I was going to do cybersecurity or both. But being around them every day, I was like, I gotta do it with them. So I got involved with their businesses and then we decided together, we're going to do a ton of, a ton of software companies. And that's where we're at now. Like I said, with pentester.com and many more, but that's the one that makes the most sense to talk about here today.

• 49:09Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's, let's take a quick break and when we come back, we'll dive into that.

• 49:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 49:13Shawn Ryan?

  Cool.

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• 50:26Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Ryan, we're back from the break. We're getting ready to dive into your company, Penn Tester. So what is Penn Tester?

• 50:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Penn Tester is a software solution for cybersecurity and protection. So we, you know, there's a pen test, a manual pen test, where somebody would go into your company or a group of people where they would check down a list of boxes of things for your compliance, look for vulnerabilities based upon your platform, and give you a report of findings, vulnerabilities. pentester.com, it can get confusing because pen testing and pentester.com are like, pen testing is a term. pentester.com is the name of my company.

• 51:09Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 51:10Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, what we do is we try to automate as much of what a pen tester would do digitally. So pentester.com is an automated web scanning framework. As of right now, we're building it out to be more of a, more than than just a web scanner. And, um, sorry, I'm getting mixed up.

• 51:34Shawn Ryan?

  No, it's fine. So let me, let me just ask this then, so.

• 51:37Ryan Montgomery?

  It's hard to explain, so I'm trying to make everybody understand.

• 51:40Shawn Ryan?

  Let me, yeah, I get it because I'm a dummy with this stuff.

• 51:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Not you.

• 51:45Shawn Ryan?

  So let me ask you a question then. So if I go to pentester.com and I type in SeanRyanShow.com, what kind of vulnerabilities might I have? Here's my website. Basically, I sell gummy bears on it. And we post upcoming episodes. Your episode's going to be on there. We collect email addresses for a database to, we send out a free newsletter all the time.

• 52:12Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 52:12Shawn Ryan?

  And then we got like some, if you want to. If you wanna apply for a job here, every once in a while we'll post that. They can run their resumes. We just did a thing where we're looking for a new video editor for shorts. And they're sending in a bunch of, we have a competition for it. But for, so for a website like, and we have advertising inquiries. For a website like that, it's run off Shopify.

• 52:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Shopify.

• 52:41Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of vulnerabilities would I be looking at?

• 52:44Ryan Montgomery?

  So you're, there's many things. The first thing that came to mind was, was email breaches. So if you have like [email protected], is that your website? Seanryan.com?

• 52:56Shawn Ryan?

  Seanryanshow.com.

• 52:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Seanryanshow.com. So [email protected] or, you know, seanryan@thewebsite. Or anyone that works here, I can, I can look up that domain with Pen tester and see if it's been involved in any breaches. Or if it's been involved in any botnet traffic, where it scraped all of the cookies and passwords from people's browsers.

• 53:19Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, hold on. What is bot, botnet what? Tracking?

• 53:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Traffic.

• 53:24Shawn Ryan?

  Botnet traffic.

• 53:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Right, so let's say you were infected with some type of malware. And that person grabs from your Chrome or your Safari, all of the saved passwords and all of the sessions, like a website. To be signed into a website, you have to have a session. So if I took that session and replaced mine with yours, now I'm you, without a password. So some of that stuff gets released on the dark web or, or, you know, it's Tor, I like to call it Tor, T-O-R. The onion router, that's what the dark web is. But it gets released there and sometimes on the publicly facing web. And a lot of people aren't aware of what information is actually out there. So when you put your website into Pen tester,

• 54:10Ryan Montgomery?

  you get a preliminary report that shows all of that data that has been exposed related to your domain name. Well, it goes a little further than that. Because let's say it doesn't find anything. Maybe you're a brand new website and, you know, Shopify is, is doing a good job. With all of the plugins you're using, because remember each one of those plugins is by an individual creator that could have messed up at any point in their code. So you're only as strong as your strongest plugin. So that's one thing there. Shopify has their own security and then you have your own security based on your plugins. As for the emails, let's say I get nothing with the Sean Ryan Show.com. Now I'm going to start looking into the Gmail accounts of Gmail, Hotmail, AOL, Yahoo,

• 54:53Ryan Montgomery?

  whatever, of all of your employees, your family, and then I'm going to see breaches associated with them, which I guarantee you that there is. Like I am so sure that if I pulled my laptop out and I put in one of your personal emails, that I will have at least one of your passwords. And that password could be reused for Shopify, or maybe it's used to access that list of data with your customers that you were saying you have the client list, the newsletters, the applicants for, you know, the jobs. Maybe it's the same password you use for that. And now I have access to that data that I could either ransom you with, I could escalate my permissions on Shopify with and take over your entire site.

• 55:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Maybe it's the credentials to your social media platform, like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, whatever you're on, you know, those credentials could be reused. So it is important, like as you said, using a password manager, because all it takes is someone like me with a bad, you know, bad moral compass to take advantage of everything that you have.

• 55:56Shawn Ryan?

  Could you, could you demonstrate that right now?

• 55:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Shawn Ryan?

  Just type it in my email?

• 56:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 56:04Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll try the Sean Ryan Show first.

• 56:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Dot com, right?

• 56:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so we have...

• 56:28Ryan Montgomery?

  There is some sensitive information, but nothing that would be a big deal. I can show it to you, actually, if you want. It's not gonna hurt anything.

• 56:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's see it.

• 56:37Ryan Montgomery?

  So it's not... this isn't specifically passwords there.

• 56:42Ryan Montgomery?

  But it is what came from, you know, leaks on the internet. This isn't, you know, it isn't anything other than leaked data. So nothing there is sensitive to my eyes.

• 56:54Shawn Ryan?

  So we're doing a good job.

• 56:55Ryan Montgomery?

  For the Sean Ryan Show. But if you throw in one of your Gmails there, or something, any other email that you may be using for a long period of time.

• 57:05Shawn Ryan?

  Just type it in here?

• 57:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 57:19Ryan Montgomery?

  It'll take a second to load. It loads over 140 billion records.

• 57:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Nothing, nothing on that website. There's two E's supposed to be there?

• 57:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I would assume so.

• 57:40Shawn Ryan?

  No shit?

• 57:41Ryan Montgomery?

  There's... I don't see them.

• 57:42Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, my IT guy's gonna live to see another paycheck.

• 57:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, it's not your IT guy, though. Even, that one just doesn't seem to be registered with a bunch of accounts. Like, for example, if you were in 2019 LinkedIn breach, or Dropbox, if you use any of that, like Vigilante...

• 58:00Shawn Ryan?

  VigilanceElite.com

• 58:01Ryan Montgomery?

  I keep saying Vigilante, I'm sorry. Vigilance Elite. I do have [BLEEP] password.

• 58:10Ryan Montgomery?

  And I do have the address.

• 58:13Shawn Ryan?

  Whose address?

• 58:14Ryan Montgomery?

  And I have apartment in [BLEEP].

• 58:18Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 58:19Ryan Montgomery?

  I have an IP address for [BLEEP]. I have an address in where we're at right now, with the zip code ending in 64, and a phone number ending in [BLEEP].

• 58:33Shawn Ryan?

  All that shit's on there?

• 58:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Ryan Montgomery?

  And I have a lot more than that if you want to take a look yourself.

• 58:40Shawn Ryan?

  Oh yeah, let me take a look.

• 58:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I'm halfway through, if you could scroll up and down.

• 58:44Shawn Ryan?

  How do we clean this up?

• 58:46Ryan Montgomery?

  You can't. You just gotta change, you gotta change the information if you don't want it there. There is no way to get rid of it.

• 58:54Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so what, oh my gosh.

• 58:58Ryan Montgomery?

  So that's why small and medium sized businesses that don't realize that they're a target, they're more of a target than they think, they get attacked because they either have exposed credentials out there, or they're using old technology, and they just get grouped in with a ton of other people that are, you know, similar targets. A lot of them don't realize they need to take their cybersecurity more seriously. Penn Tester, like, and this is kind of like a shameless plug, but like for 50 bucks a month, it's, it's worth the money. You know, we are the cheapest, to my knowledge, in the cybersecurity world, and we're not only giving you a software solution, but we're giving you a hands-on, you know, manual confirmation for anything that we're not sure of.

• 59:39Ryan Montgomery?

  So for 50 bucks, like, if someone would have offered that to me, prior to being a hacker myself, I was a little kid, but let's just say I wasn't ever, you know, I'd be more than happy to pay 50 dollars a month for something like this. This is just one of the, one of many things we offer.

• 59:56Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. So is, is my website safe for customers?

• 1:00:02Ryan Montgomery?

  It's up to you to decide. I mean, I haven't run a scan, this is just a breach checker.

• 1:00:06Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, that's just a breach check?

• 1:00:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. And this is, we have more records than literally anyone else on the internet, so we, we're gonna be able to tell you more than, than, than most, you know, most people. Some people are gonna have access to these private databases that we have, as well as the public ones, but if you download certain other competition websites that say, or I'm sorry, sign up for other competition websites that say, that they offer breach protection or the leak, leak, protection, breach or leak protection is what they'll say. They don't have a database as big as ours, I'm sure of it. I mean, I'm very confident in that.

• 1:00:46Ryan Montgomery?

  And this is without running, like I said, this is without running a scan. So, you know, like, I'll keep it, I'll keep the computer ready for when you wanna see a face, but I'll show you how wild that can get.

• 1:00:56Shawn Ryan?

  Let's do that.

• 1:00:57Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, you wanna see it?

• 1:00:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's do it. So, describe what you're gonna do.

• 1:01:02Ryan Montgomery?

  So I'm gonna, you want, I could do my face, your face, anyone's face that you wanna do. Does it, you're just telling me whose face?

• 1:01:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, we can do my face.

• 1:01:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay. It's gonna be a lot of pictures of you, obviously because of your podcast, but...

• 1:01:15Shawn Ryan?

  So basically what you're doing is you're taking a photo of me, it's gonna do the facial recognition and find every image on the internet that has my face in it.

• 1:01:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Shawn Ryan?

  Whether I'm tagged in it or not.

• 1:01:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 1:01:27Shawn Ryan?

  Like, it's strict, you could find my face in the middle of, uh, the Super Bowl stadium.

• 1:01:33Ryan Montgomery?

  As long as it's on the internet. So, yeah, let me take a picture and send it to myself. Um...

• 1:01:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay. So, I took a picture of your face and you can see, it's just a picture that, this has never been on the internet, right?

• 1:01:57Shawn Ryan?

  That is a really good-looking man right there.

• 1:01:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Amazing.

• 1:02:02Ryan Montgomery?

  So I uploaded that to, uh, to here.

• 1:02:05Shawn Ryan?

  So you took a picture?

• 1:02:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 1:02:08Shawn Ryan?

  And now?

• 1:02:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Now, you can go through these and see if there's anything that's not, not, I don't know if there's gonna be anything that you don't want on there or not, but if you click them, it will give you a link to where, uh, where that picture's posted at. But remember, I used a picture that was never on the internet to find those photos of you. So it measured your face, it measured 120 points on your face, associated a picture that's never touched the internet with you. And, uh, for somebody that doesn't have as big of a following or as many photos out there, there may be less results, but you could be in a photo that you're not aware of, or, uh, or there could be some stuff out there that you would wanna be aware of.

• 1:02:52Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, wow, this is really, this is like everything.

• 1:02:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:55Shawn Ryan?

  It just keeps going.

• 1:03:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Cool stuff.

• 1:03:05Shawn Ryan?

  That's insane.

• 1:03:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Like, most people, you'd be crazy not to pay $50 for that as a business. It's just getting that messaging in somebody's, in somebody's hands, or I'm sorry, in somebody's brain, when they look at the website, or they see an ad for, hey, are you taking your cybersecurity seriously? And then they run their website through a light scan, they see, here's some breach credentials, here's some pictures that we found on your site, here's some vulnerabilities. And you have an option to sign up for free, which you get your preliminary report for free, and then you have your option for $50 for a small business, and you just say, you know what, screw it, I don't need that. I just, I can't comprehend why you wouldn't want that. So, yeah.

• 1:03:48Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. Let's talk about the dark web. So I hear a lot about the dark web.

• 1:03:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's a buzzword.

• 1:03:54Shawn Ryan?

  Drugs on it, you can find child pornography on it, you can, it sounds like it's just the black market, the new black market, correct?

• 1:04:04Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:05Shawn Ryan?

  So what, I've heard about it, I know about it, I know it's all stuff you shouldn't be doing, but how do you get on it? What, where is it?

• 1:04:15Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so the dark web itself isn't a marketplace, like what you're thinking. So the, so the black market, or whatever you want to call it, once you're connected to the dark web, Tor, the onion router, what I was explaining before, you still need to know where to go to visit these horrible websites. And they're like, you know, imagine a very long string of letters and numbers, and the website, instead of .com, it'd be .onion. You can't visit those websites in a regular browser. You have to do that while you're connected to the onion router, which you can download at the Tor, T-O-R's website.

• 1:04:52Ryan Montgomery?

  And then you could go to a thing called like the hidden wiki. And the hidden wiki will show you all different categories of these websites with a link to them. And there's marketplaces, there's horrible things on there, like you said, for kids. And even like murder for hire, there's counterfeit money, there's fake IDs. You know, there are all kinds of different websites that do horrible things.

• 1:05:16Shawn Ryan?

  What is the onion router?

• 1:05:17Ryan Montgomery?

  So the onion router is a tool, an open source project that was created to anonymize your traffic on the internet. And it decentralizes, I think, I believe decentralized would be the word for it, your internet traffic. It keeps you anonymous beyond a VPN. I would still recommend that you use a virtual private network on top of Tor if you want to be anonymous. But it's just a layer of security that's free. And it keeps, it's, for example, let's say you use Comcast for your internet service provider. They could see that you're using Tor, but they can't see what you're looking at.

• 1:06:00Ryan Montgomery?

  If you use a VPN and then you use Tor, they can, they can only tell you're using a VPN, but they can't tell you're using Tor. So it's, you know, it's just an internet within an internet.

• 1:06:11Shawn Ryan?

  So can I get on, can I check my email through the dark web?

• 1:06:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes, you can go to any website.

• 1:06:16Shawn Ryan?

  Would you recommend using the dark web to just do regular?

• 1:06:21Ryan Montgomery?

  It's slow as hell.

• 1:06:21Shawn Ryan?

  Internet stuff?

• 1:06:22Ryan Montgomery?

  It's very slow, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you could, but, and it would, it would keep you safer. But it's, it's not gonna, it's not a foolproof way to keep yourself safe and it's painstakingly slow.

• 1:06:33Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Do you use the dark web?

• 1:06:37Ryan Montgomery?

  For investigations, yeah.

• 1:06:39Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of investigations?

• 1:06:41Ryan Montgomery?

  For like the predator, predator and pedophile cases, yeah.

• 1:06:46Shawn Ryan?

  So are you able to track these guys down from the dark web even though they're technically anonymous?

• 1:06:52Ryan Montgomery?

  A lot of times it doesn't need to go that far. A lot of times these guys will use their regular emails or they'll use an IP address that's been, you know, they'll reuse for multiple emails or their face that they're using as their profile picture. I can, you know, find them from, the same way I just found your face. Or they're using a phone number that traces right back to them. The dark web, you know, it's not really a huge part of catching predators and pedophiles.

• 1:07:23Ryan Montgomery?

  One thing, I guess the only thing on the dark web, quote unquote, I hate that word, but the dark web, quote unquote, that I had access to was when I originally hacked the website that we're going to talk about. They branched out to have not only a website on the clear net, on the regular internet, but their website was mirrored on the dark web. And I had three backdoors in their system. And it branched out over to the dark web. So I had a backdoor on the dark web too, which was kind of a cool thing to have. So I needed to be connected to Tor, the onion router, to connect to my backdoor. But that was, I was only using that backdoor to exfiltrate data every single day, which was just user information.

• 1:08:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Because I didn't want to get their posts or anything. I didn't want to be in possession of anything horrible that they were sending each other. But their user info was enough for us, as I'm sure you'll learn shortly.

• 1:08:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:21Shawn Ryan?

  What are some things that people can do to protect themselves from hackers? What, let's, actually, let me rephrase this quote. Let me back up. What are some vulnerabilities? Just let's go through all the things that you personally could hack if you wanted to.

• 1:08:40Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, it's countless, but I could give you some major daily things.

• 1:08:45Shawn Ryan?

  Absolutely. Let's talk about some of the devices, those devices you have right here. Let's talk about all the stuff you can hack into.

• 1:08:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Sure.

• 1:08:53Shawn Ryan?

  And then, and then we'll get into maybe how we can prevent that a little bit.

• 1:08:57Ryan Montgomery?

  So I guess we'll just start with a daily routine. You know, you wake up in the morning, you uh, you make your coffee, or maybe you take your phone off the charger and you um, you check your phone in the morning. You might, you might check your email. You might have, you gotta make sure you, every email that you have while you're half asleep is coming from a real person, it's not a phishing email, someone pretending to be a company that they're not, stealing your credentials. Then you go outside to your garage, you get in your car. And you have to make sure that there's nobody out there listening for your, you know, your car key frequency while jamming your car so that they could steal your car later, or access your car later. And then when you go hit your garage door button, that somebody doesn't capture that frequency on 433 megahertz.

• 1:09:41Ryan Montgomery?

  And uh, and you know, and those rolling codes have already been broken for most of the models. Um, so then you get in your car and you're driving to uh, to your office, or to your, to your kid's school, doing whatever you want. And um, you know, you could get out, you let your, your kid out to school, and now somebody, uh, as you walk into school just skimmed your back pocket and stole your credit card information. So, I mean, all of that, plus, you know, any, anything remote, infrared, like a TV remote, that goes for projectors, uh, audio devices, ceiling fans, I mean, very simple stuff, uh, along with access control badges.

• 1:10:20Ryan Montgomery?

  Anything sub gigahertz, like, like key fobs, or remote controls for anything, um, parking gates. So much.

• 1:10:29Shawn Ryan?

  Everything.

• 1:10:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Everything. I mean, everything, anything with a battery and a connection, a remote connection, in any type of way where it reaches the outside of that device is hackable, or has been hacked.

• 1:10:42Shawn Ryan?

  What are these devices here?

• 1:10:44Ryan Montgomery?

  This is a water bottle.

• 1:10:50Ryan Montgomery?

  So this right here is a, this is a Flipper Zero with some custom modifications.

• 1:10:58Ryan Montgomery?

  And it does a lot. So this is just a proof of concept device. But when you start to add your own little additions on to it like this.

• 1:11:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Let me, let me enable, for example, Wi-Fi. I'm not gonna hack your Wi-Fi, but I'll give you a little example of what I could do.

• 1:11:17Ryan Montgomery?

  I'll just do something stupid, but...

• 1:11:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, and then we'll do, I'm not gonna shut your network down.

• 1:11:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, so now, if you, if, I can show you on my phone, or you can look at your phone, but you'll see that instead of me mirroring your network, I just created a bunch of fake networks.

• 1:11:52Ryan Montgomery?

  So all of these networks here, they probably appear to be legitimate, right?

• 1:11:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Ryan Montgomery?

  But they're not.

• 1:12:01Shawn Ryan?

  These are all fake networks?

• 1:12:02Ryan Montgomery?

  They're all powered by me. So as soon as you connect to any of those, I have your password, I have anything in between. So that's, that's one thing. That's just Wi-Fi.

• 1:12:15Shawn Ryan?

  And you just, oh, man. So this is, so this is, is this how people are stealing information?

• 1:12:23Ryan Montgomery?

  This is one of many ways.

• 1:12:25Shawn Ryan?

  In, in, in airport?

• 1:12:27Ryan Montgomery?

  In an airport? Oh, yeah. I mean, airport, Starbucks. When you, it's called a man-in-the-middle attack. So if I'm on the same network as you, I can essentially control the traffic, you know, as if I was the modem or router. So instead of when you type google.com, instead of your computer telling the router you want google.com, you're telling my computer you want google.com, and I'm giving you what I, what I'm telling you google.com is. So that would be called a DNS, DNS attack, so.

• 1:12:58Shawn Ryan?

  Is this what people are using in the airports when there's?

• 1:13:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Not this specific device. This is just something that I concocted together. But the Flipper you can buy, this thing on the top here, is, is custom.

• 1:13:11Shawn Ryan?

  I guess what I'm asking, is this the method? They throw, so could you, can, so let's, what is, um, what, like Wi-Fi Flight or, uh, GoGo?

• 1:13:21Ryan Montgomery?

  GoGo in-flight?

• 1:13:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:13:23Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, they're, they're actually, I mean, you can, obviously, you can hack anything, but GoGo in-flight, they, they have a pretty good segment on their network, so you're pretty safe with GoGo. Uh, you, there's a chance of getting hacked, but not the same as like a Starbucks or a, or here, like, you know, your network has to be segmented into chunks.

• 1:13:41Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:13:42Ryan Montgomery?

  And, uh, GoGo segments it pretty well.

• 1:13:45Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, I guess what I'm saying is, could you create a fake Wi-Fi network with that thing that says, "GoGo in-flight one."

• 1:13:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I could do that now.

• 1:13:56Shawn Ryan?

  That people are like, "Oh, that must be it."

• 1:13:57Ryan Montgomery?

  I could do that here. I mean, it's, eh, I can make any, any, they're called B SSIDs, SSIDs, the name of a network. You could do that with any name, but instead of that, what you do is you just scan the local area, and then, you know, I know all the networks' names around here, and then I'll target all of them at the same time, so that, that way, anyone in this complex or where we're at, um, you know, anyone that connects to a network is going to, you know, think it's their network, and they're gonna connect to me instead.

• 1:14:27Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:14:28Ryan Montgomery?

  That's just one of many Wi-Fi attacks, so there's many ways.

• 1:14:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. What else can this thing do?

• 1:14:33Ryan Montgomery?

  Um.

• 1:14:34Shawn Ryan?

  This thing's like the size of the palm of your hand.

• 1:14:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, well, with this, with this little, you know, custom extension, especially when I have my big, these aren't the big antennas, but I got big antennas, because, you know, I wanna get long range, but, uh, you know, that's Wi-Fi. This, this side of things is also Wi-Fi, but, uh, also, it, it, it's an NRF, uh, 24, so it does wireless mice and keyboards. So if you use a wireless mouse and keyboard, not every single one of them is vulnerable, but a lot, but a lot of them are, I'd highly recommend you go back to wired, even though it sounds old school, that's what you should do, because I could control your mouse and keyboard with this device, and send keystrokes way faster than you can type them, and, uh, take over your computer without even having to see you or it, so I could do that through the wall.

• 1:15:20Shawn Ryan?

  This is scaring the shit out of me.

• 1:15:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, and then I, uh, you know, I, the sub gigahertz stuff with bigger antennas, of course I can go further away. So with car, car keys, garages, gates, anything that's on radio frequency, I could do with this. Um, RFID, uh, that's access control badges for doors and, and pool keys. You know, anything that has like a little beeper where you beep into the, the door.

• 1:15:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Ryan Montgomery?

  And NFC is credit cards and access control. And it does also, uh, some more things too. You could also like, I could tap your phone and give you my Instagram or tap your phone and give you my business card. So NFC is a little more, uh, versatile than RFID, but they both essentially are, uh, I believe it's called passive, uh, devices. They're, they're powered by the, uh, the receiver. They don't have a battery in them.

• 1:16:15Shawn Ryan?

  So what, let's just run through just a list of all the things you can hack with that one little device.

• 1:16:22Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, I don't want to make it into an ad about Flipper because it's not Flipper itself. It like, I'll tell you, but I'm just saying that Flipper itself, if you're going to go online and buy one of these and expect to be able to do everything that I'm talking about. You need to have custom firmware or software, whatever you want to call it, um, that allows you to do that. And you need to know how to modify it. So don't go out spending a hundred and eighty dollars on this device, thinking you're going to hack somebody's car or steal their credit card. Because that's not going to happen. Um, but if I, if you want to go down the list, I mean, there's a ton of things. There's like, you know, all the, all the radio things I just told you about, um, the RFID stuff, the NFC, which is the credit cards and, and more. Infrared, which is TVs, projectors and many other devices.

• 1:17:07Ryan Montgomery?

  GPIO, which is just anything that connects to the outside of this device. So I can make devices work and this be the controller for it. Uh, iButton, which is a form of authentication that uses, um, these things, these little metal prongs as a key.

• 1:17:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, bad USB, which emulates a keyboard, types like, you know, a couple thousand words a second.

• 1:17:29Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:17:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Or I'm sorry, a minute, I'm sorry, a thousand words, a couple thousand words a minute. And then it also has some use cases that aren't hacking, like two-factor authentication. This is a, you know, offline device where you can generate your two-factor without needing a device that's connected to the internet. So it does that too. And then there's a ton of other sub-applications that are on here, like hundreds of them that do little, little things, so. A lot, just with this one device. This thing, you know, it, it does just radio, but it does a lot more than this thing.

• 1:18:03Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:18:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:04Shawn Ryan?

  What does that one do?

• 1:18:05Ryan Montgomery?

  This one you can hack airplanes with. I mean, uh, that, I mean, that's the extreme, but that's something that you can actually accomplish with this using ADS-B. Um, you can choose to either receive or transmit. Um, so you can choose either receive or transmit ADS-B with this device. Uh, and that's the frequency to tell a plane, you know, his call sign, position and, and more. And, um, it's very illegal to do that, of course. But, uh, if I wanted to go outside right now, I could even demonstrate later for you. Like, you know, I pull this antenna out, this is just a small antenna. Um, and we can receive airplanes, see where they're at. There's nothing illegal about receiving them.

• 1:18:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Transmitting is where it gets a little bit funky, you know? Uh, but yeah, ADS-B, this one does a lot, like something, like a joke, for example, TouchTunes, they're at a bar. They're little jukebox machine, jukebox machines that you pay for.

• 1:19:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Ryan Montgomery?

  This device, uh, brute forces them, meaning goes through zero, zero, zero to nine, nine, nine, nine, looking for a PIN code. And once it gets it, I can fully control that jukebox like, like I have, like I'm the owner of it. So, you know, just, just for fun. Or Subaru cars, some, some years of Subaru, I have this pre-programmed that can unlock and unlock, unlock and lock a Subaru, no problem. Um, I could do that with this as well, but this thing way stronger, bigger range, way more support, way more programs out there. This device is a lot more dangerous in my eyes than that device.

• 1:19:37Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:19:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 1:19:40Shawn Ryan?

  Man, you are a, I think this is the fifth time I've said it, I think. You are a dangerous man, but.

• 1:19:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, I'm the safe, safe, you know, ethical.

• 1:19:50Shawn Ryan?

  You could be if you wanted to be.

• 1:19:51Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm trying to go into detail about these things, just for the, just for the nerds out there like me that are listening. I'm not going into exhaustive detail about these devices because most people are not going to care. So I'm just giving the general overview.

• 1:20:05Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I think, I think they're going to care when they realize how vulnerable they are.

• 1:20:09Ryan Montgomery?

  No, I don't mean they don't care about what they can do, but like care about the technical specifics.

• 1:20:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, we, we get a lot of our, pretty much everything that we have is from China.

• 1:20:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 1:20:21Shawn Ryan?

  You know, all of our electronics, everything, it all, what do you say, 90% of it probably comes from China. Do you think we need to worry about what they're putting in our electronics?

• 1:20:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll give you one example. I bought this awesome vacuum and mop that's in one, is a all-in-one vacuum mop called Tencov. And, uh, it completely connects to a Chinese server to, uh, to transmit and receive information. Like I made it, I made a joke out of, I actually have a video of it where you could turn the audio on for it. Like when you plug it in, it says, charging started, charging stopped, like when you put it on and off. I can control that with my computer through a Chinese cloud server. There's no reason that that vacuum and mop shouldn't connect to a Chinese cloud, uh, cloud infrastructure whatsoever. But, uh, it does.

• 1:21:15Ryan Montgomery?

  And at any point, they could change the way that functionality works and take over my home network with this vacuum mop.

• 1:21:22Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious with a vacuum mop?

• 1:21:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 1:21:25Shawn Ryan?

  How many devices do you think has, have these things in them?

• 1:21:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Anything with a wifi connection, it's, you know, not, not, not everything's going to be China beaconing back and forth. But anything with a wifi, you know, anything with wifi capability is going to open up, you know, an attack vector.

• 1:21:45Shawn Ryan?

  Washing machines, refrigerators, just, why does a vacuum mop have wifi capability?

• 1:21:52Ryan Montgomery?

  I'd love to tell you. It's a, I have, I have the video I could show you. I could find it sometime, but it's a, I have that. And then I have the app I could show you. I can adjust the volume. I could check when the last time I used it. It doesn't need to be cleaned. Does it, you know, it tells you all that stuff. But it's using a Chinese server that I can control from my computer. Now that I've captured the traffic between the mop and the server.

• 1:22:16Shawn Ryan?

  How many devices do you think we have that are connected to a Chinese server? And what would they be getting out of it?

• 1:22:24Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, it's all about data nowadays. So, I mean, I think that data is the most important thing to them because it's worth money. And advertising dollars are, are, would be spent better for, you know, with targeted demographics. So I think that they're using that information to target you on the stuff that they, that you need. You know, if you or someone that you love is looking up something, obviously, Google's going to figure out how to target you on that, on that thing and then sell that data to other people. And they, they call it retargeting. Whereas if they have access to your direct network and they could see, you know, things that you didn't even fully like search out or you're typing on a different application, like a chat application,

• 1:23:09Ryan Montgomery?

  where you're not even searching about it, you're just talking about it. That data is very valuable because they know about something before Google does or somebody, some other large data broker.

• 1:23:19Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. What are, what are five simple things that people can do to protect themselves from, from hackers?

• 1:23:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Use a password manager. Install an antivirus or consult with an IT company that has cybersecurity expertise or a cybersecurity company. One of, one of those many options. But talk to somebody unless you're an expert yourself. Use an RFID blocking wallet. And potentially, if you want to be extra safe, use a key fob that has an RFID shield on it. That way, your key fob doesn't work outside of that shield. Can't be cloned. Some cars require, you know, tap to start. So, you know, use something like that. Be careful with the websites that you're visiting. If the browser's telling you the site looks unsafe, then it's probably unsafe.

• 1:24:13Ryan Montgomery?

  And if, you know, if you're told otherwise, make sure who, who's telling you otherwise is legitimate. And, you know, just be careful. I mean, just use your common sense. If something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

• 1:24:27Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, what about, we live in a day and age where you're getting spam calls every five minutes. You're getting spam texts every five minutes. And a new marketing emails coming in every two minutes. It's, I mean, it's ridiculous.

• 1:24:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:43Shawn Ryan?

  Do we need, do we need to worry about that stuff? If I open a text, could I be hacked just from opening the text?

• 1:24:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Technically, yes. I mean, like I said earlier, the zero-click attacks that they're willing to pay a ton of money for, there's government agencies that already have them, you know? There was one going around for quite a long time. There was one going around for quite a long time called Pegasus. And then there was another one called Pegasus 2.0. And it didn't require any user interaction from, you know, from anyone. You would just send to a phone number. They'd have full remote access to your phone.

• 1:25:20Shawn Ryan?

  Even without opening the text?

• 1:25:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Without opening anything.

• 1:25:23Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit. How do you defend against something like that?

• 1:25:27Ryan Montgomery?

  You can't. There is no, there's no way to defend. That's why they're so valuable, because there's nothing you can do.

• 1:25:35Shawn Ryan?

  How do most hackers get in? Do you have to click a link?

• 1:25:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, sometimes it's a link. Sometimes it's a file. Sometimes it's a photo. Sometimes it's a chain of exploits of multiple things that turn into it. It could be a Word document. It could be anything. When it comes to zero days and zero-click exploits, it's a, it doesn't require any user interaction and you will not know that your phone's infected.

• 1:26:02Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 1:26:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so I can't even give you a good answer for it.

• 1:26:06Shawn Ryan?

  This is scary stuff, man.

• 1:26:07Ryan Montgomery?

  I could, I could, I might as well have it on my phone right now. I have no clue. I mean, I'd likely see the traffic going in and out of it. But there is still the chance that it could have it.

• 1:26:17Shawn Ryan?

  All right. Let's take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll get into what you're doing now.

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• 1:27:35Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Ryan, we're back from the break.

• 1:27:38Shawn Ryan?

  We just got a whole class on hacking and all the stuff that you're capable of and all the things we need to be worried about. But let's talk about why you came here. And that's what you're doing now. You're basically hunting down these people that are exploiting children sexually on the internet and in person.

• 1:28:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Shawn Ryan?

  I know you have a couple of horrific stories. One guy that was, I think it was his daughter in the bathtub.

• 1:28:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, so I'll start, you know, kind of where that all came from. I was at a friend's, a friend's house and I got a text message from my friend's wife. And it, uh, it was multiple photos of screenshots of this website that was, uh, it was clear from the screenshots that the website was on the regular internet. Anyone could access it. And, um, should I name the website?

• 1:28:33Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Ryan Montgomery?

  It was, uh, it's no longer up, but it was [BLEEP] dot C O. So [BLEEP]. .co and that website went down and it ended up being .to like T as in Thomas, O as in Oscar. So I see this website and I see the content in these screenshots that my friend's wife sent me. She doesn't know anything about computers, but she has kids herself and she was like, can you do something about this? And I read this content and one of them was, was, uh, was talking about a mother that wanted to have, have kids and then have the kids be so that, that when the kids grew up that they could, you know, have

• 1:29:16Ryan Montgomery?

  and, and go even further. I mean, I'll pull up the screenshots because I'd like to explain like where my head was at that time. But as soon as I read these messages, I, uh, I like, I guess I've switched flipped in my brain and I left my friend's house immediately as I got the text and I was, I went home. I didn't know for sure that I was going to be able to get into this website. I just knew I wanted to do something about it. And, uh, I found a vulnerability in their platform. I got in, and from that point on, I started to, uh, to exfiltrate the data every single day, all of the users. I noticed that, that a lot of people were soliciting

• 1:29:56Ryan Montgomery?

  on the site. So I, uh, I didn't want to download those messages in case of the fact that I pull in some images that I'm not allowed to have. And nor do I want. Uh, so I made sure to only download the publicly facing stuff, which didn't include it, it had some very graphic text, but it didn't include anything illegal, which I think it should be illegal to talk that way. But it was, it was horrible stuff.

• 1:30:21Shawn Ryan?

  What, what, what were some of the, so you started this basically from a text conversation with a concerned mom. That's what got you into it.

• 1:30:29Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:29Shawn Ryan?

  What's some of the text that you saw?

• 1:30:36Ryan Montgomery?

  I'd like to read them to you if you want. I still have them.

• 1:30:39Shawn Ryan?

  Read them.

• 1:30:40Ryan Montgomery?

  So this is before I was, before I ever caught a single predator in my life. This was, this was the beginning and what set my, set my brain off, um, to, uh, to want to help. But this is before I even heard of this website, before I heard of anything and anything to do with it.

• 1:31:01Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay, here they are.

• 1:31:05Ryan Montgomery?

  So, the title, should I read these? Like, they're graphic.

• 1:31:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, read them.

• 1:31:10Ryan Montgomery?

  So, the title of this post is, "Who Wants to [BLEEP] Bang These Little [BLEEP]? Um, and then, somebody replied underneath, "I've got first dibs on the [BLEEP]. Joseph Fritzl, Maximilian, uh, which is, there's two different users there. Pick [BLEEP] for yourselves." And this was the photo that they used.

• 1:31:36Shawn Ryan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:31:39Ryan Montgomery?

  That's just one of three.

• 1:31:45Ryan Montgomery?

  Three text messages.

• 1:31:45Shawn Ryan?

  These girls look like they're six.

• 1:31:47Ryan Montgomery?

  Very young, yeah. And then, there was that one story where I told you about the...

• 1:31:54Ryan Montgomery?

  I can't see it, but the, the story I told you about the bathtub situation, where there was a father who posted their child in the bathtub, and, uh, they, it said underneath of it, "They have no idea what's gonna happen to them tonight." And then, underneath of that, there were people that were part of this website, who were saying what they were gonna do to this child. And this wasn't just some fantasy that this guy was talking about. This was a, you know, a guy posting his child in the bathtub, like, for real. Like, it really was his child. I assume he was a man, but it, it was a parent. You know, so that really got to me. And then, uh, I got another part of this text message. I'll just read one more of the three.

• 1:32:37Ryan Montgomery?

  And, this one says that they are a 16-year-old [BLEEP]. A lot of these people were role-playing to be children. And, in our investigations, we found out there was a lot of actual kids on this website, real kids, that were under 18 at the time of, uh, this, this, when I hacked the site.

• 1:32:54Shawn Ryan?

  What are they doing on there?

• 1:32:56Ryan Montgomery?

  They're selling their bodies for money.

• 1:32:58Shawn Ryan?

  Kids?

• 1:32:59Ryan Montgomery?

  To these people, yeah.

• 1:33:00Shawn Ryan?

  It's kids prostituting themselves.

• 1:33:02Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes. Yeah, so, one of them, I don't know if this is a real 16-year-old or not, but what was said was pretty disturbing regardless. Uh, it said, "God, I really wanna be a [BLEEP] mom. I need someone who wants to [BLEEP] 16-year-old. When I have our daughter, I'd let you do whatever you wanted from whatever age. Make me watch as you [BLEEP]."

• 1:33:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Teaching her how to lovingly

• 1:33:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Don't worry if it's a boy, you can watch

• 1:33:34Ryan Montgomery?

  Teaching him how to properly Woman, teaching him how to slap and hurt me to He'd be so cute trying to

• 1:33:44Ryan Montgomery?

  So little.

• 1:33:47Shawn Ryan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:33:49Ryan Montgomery?

  So when I got these text messages and Reading them even current day, right now.

• 1:33:56Ryan Montgomery?

  It it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about and and I know they're gone. So, you know, I mean, not all these people are still out there, but the website's down.

• 1:34:06Shawn Ryan?

  How many, how many people are on this website?

• 1:34:09Ryan Montgomery?

  At first, I thought it was a couple thousand. When I cleaned up the database and and figured it out, there's about 7,000 people in just this one website. And we have a total of five.

• 1:34:21Shawn Ryan?

  You have 7,000 people on one website, you've

• 1:34:26Ryan Montgomery?

  And you couldn't, you couldn't become a member of this website unless you answered An application where you you had to answer a question that was something like, Are you okay with, you know, Doing something horrible with a three year old and in all of their holes? You had to answer that question in detail. I forget the exact verbiage of the question, it's it's a, it's posted somewhere. And in regards to this interview or or Project Veritas, one or the other. But you had to fill that out to become a member of the website you just saw. And which would tell me that either you're an undercover cop or you're an actual predator On the site, I mean, who would answer a question like that, even if they were just curious?

• 1:35:09Shawn Ryan?

  Is there multiple, so it's a whole questionnaire you have to do to get into the site?

• 1:35:13Ryan Montgomery?

  There was a few questions, I think two or three, they were really horrible. But you had to answer them or they were not would not approve you to join the site.

• 1:35:20Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any other prerequisites to?

• 1:35:24Shawn Ryan?

  Get on sites like these?

• 1:35:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, yes. So, so what I learned in this process during the investigation and exporting, you know, everything that I could legally export, uh, I found that they used a chat app called Telegram. And they were going back and forth talking about, uh, about, you know, [BLEEP] and they would call it cheese pizza and use all times, all kinds of different phrases for it. And I realized there was these moderators in the chat rooms outside of the website. Um, where if you would send them [BLEEP], they would let you into another group which was full of [BLEEP]. But of course I couldn't do that. So I never got to see past that part.

• 1:36:06Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, but I do have evidence of that being a thing when I have, cause I exported all the chat logs. So I can, it shows that if I were to send something horrible to one of those moderators, I would have seen something even worse, which is hard to imagine than, you know, we are already seeing here.

• 1:36:24Shawn Ryan?

  What did you, what did you do with that information? It helped, actually let me backtrack, I'm sorry. How, how long did it take you to crack into that website and get this information?

• 1:36:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, I, I wasn't sure. Like I said, when I got the text messages and I wanted to try to take, my goal was to just take the site down. And I knew I could make that happen because it was on the clear net, uh, regular internet for anyone to visit. I knew I could do that, but I didn't know if I could actually get access to their server. Um, once I found the vulnerability, uh, maybe an hour, two hours at the most, if I could remember correctly, it wasn't long. And they never found out they were hacked. So to this day, um, they, they never found out. They, and they will never find out.

• 1:37:10Ryan Montgomery?

  I mean, unless, unless somebody in that database is watching this, uh, now you know, you're in, you're, I have your data and, uh, we will find you. So I actually recommend you come forward so we don't have to make the story up for you.

• 1:37:24Shawn Ryan?

  What did you do with this information?

• 1:37:27Ryan Montgomery?

  So, as soon as I got the information, I thought it was slam dunk. I thought like, these people were going to jail. You know, I thought that maybe I solved something that the FBI or somebody was, you know, working on for a long time. And I instantly went to the Exploited Children tip line and I submitted, you know, saying who the owner of the website was, that I had access to all the data, and that they were welcome to have it, basically. Then I reached out to a bunch of news articles, I'm sorry, news stations, and talked to a ton of reporters, and all of them were super excited to talk to me.

• 1:38:06Shawn Ryan?

  What news stations?

• 1:38:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Sun Sentinel, Daily Mail, Business Insider, Fox, some influencers, Ronan Farrow, Candace Owens, they both didn't read my messages. But as for the news stations, they, you know, I had full conversations with the reporters. They knew what they were getting themselves into, they were very excited about reporting on it. And, once it got back from legal, they weren't allowed to report on it. And, I said, "Well, okay, if you're not allowed to report on the illegally obtained material that I have, just let parents know that this website exists, and who, you know, whatever you want, but just keep whatever illegal out of it." You know, I just want them to, parents to know, that this website exists. You don't need to put my name, you don't need to put the material I obtained, nothing.

• 1:38:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Every single one of them completely disregarded me. I, you know, I sent a lot of those notes over to Project Veritas with some evidence of that, but not a single person, until now, has done anything about this.

• 1:39:09Shawn Ryan?

  Not one, not any conservative media, not any liberal media, because unfortunately, that's the day and age we live in now, right? None of them, none of them would touch this.

• 1:39:23Ryan Montgomery?

  No.

• 1:39:23Shawn Ryan?

  None of them want to be involved in saving kids.

• 1:39:26Ryan Montgomery?

  When I say I tried, I tried so hard, and nobody wanted to do anything.

• 1:39:33Shawn Ryan?

  So what wound up happening with the information?

• 1:39:38Ryan Montgomery?

  So...

• 1:39:39Shawn Ryan?

  Law enforcement didn't want to get involved either?

• 1:39:41Ryan Montgomery?

  No, so I called my attorney locally and I called an attorney in Virginia because the owner of the website happened to be a Democratic politician and ran for Congress two times. His name is Nathan Larson. And I'll explain more about him in a second. But I talked to a lawyer in Virginia because I knew that's where he lived and I wanted to see what I could do from there. So the lawyer in Virginia basically told me she didn't know what to say. She never heard of anything like this. The lawyer in Florida reached out to the task, the local task force, let them know that I had access to the information. And then as well as, you know, doing that tip line.

• 1:40:21Ryan Montgomery?

  So from that point on, you know, all of these news stations and all the law enforcement connections, whatever you want to call them, they all were fully aware that Nathan Larson was running this website. That he was, you know, he ran for Congress twice. That he was an extremist, he did crazy things. But he did run for Congress two different times in Virginia. So I thought that they would take that seriously. Well, completely ignored.

• 1:40:48Shawn Ryan?

  Completely ignored it. Project Veritas gave me access to some of the stuff you guys are working on together. And in one of those videos, you're reading a quote from Nathan Larson. I'm gonna read it right now.

• 1:41:04Shawn Ryan?

  This is from Nathan Larson, Democratic politician that ran for Congress multiple times, ran a website for pedos to discuss their dark intentions and fantasies. Here's the quote. "It's not enough [BLEEP] kids and take their innocence. You also need to reproduce the next generation with them. Let them see that you prefer to [BLEEP] the offspring you have with them than to continue to have [BLEEP] with a woman who is no longer jailbait."

• 1:41:37Shawn Ryan?

  The quote continues. "But you can still [BLEEP] sometimes. Just let her know, though, that what you love her for the most is producing with you, is producing with you a fresh, new, young girl [BLEEP]."

• 1:41:55Shawn Ryan?

  And that this is her main value in contribution hat. You think fondly of her.

• 1:42:04Shawn Ryan?

  This is disgusting.

• 1:42:05Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Shawn Ryan?

  I'm sorry. You think fondly of her for because that beautiful daughter reminds you of her.

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• 1:42:46Ryan Montgomery?

  It's unimaginable. It's like, how do people think this way? But there's so many people that think this way. That it's alarming is the word for it. I don't know how else to put it. It's way more people than you'd think, than you'd like to believe.

• 1:43:05Shawn Ryan?

  Coeb words pizza and cooking and cheese pizza.

• 1:43:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:43:11Shawn Ryan?

  Stands for.

• 1:43:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 1:43:20Shawn Ryan?

  This is disgusting.

• 1:43:22Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. It gets only worse than that. You know, it's really bad.

• 1:43:28Shawn Ryan?

  How much worse does it get?

• 1:43:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Worse? I mean, people, if this is a person talking about it and it makes me uncomfortable, just as much as it makes you uncomfortable. But, you know, these people, what they're talking about, they're doing, you know? This guy isn't some guy with a bunch of fantasies. This guy got arrested six months after. Nobody did anything about it. And, you know, like I said, I try my best. He gets arrested six months later with a 12-year-old at a layover at an airport after he kidnapped her. So not only did he talk about it, he did it. And he. He got caught, you know. As for some other people, I don't know how much more I can go into it, but one guy we're investigating. As of 2020, which is after I submitted the data,

• 1:44:15Ryan Montgomery?

  he got in trouble for doing something horrible to a child as well, became a fugitive, and I think they eventually got him. But, you know, we're not even close to through the list yet. And, you know, we got a lot more people to expose. And they're not just talking about it, they're doing it.

• 1:44:31Shawn Ryan?

  Let's backtrack real quick because you kind of breezed over what happened.

• 1:44:36Shawn Ryan?

  So the guy with the daughter in the bathtub.

• 1:44:41Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:42Shawn Ryan?

  What happened?

• 1:44:43Ryan Montgomery?

  That guy with the daughter in the bathtub, I don't know where he went. He's part of the database.

• 1:44:48Shawn Ryan?

  I'm talking about the guy that got arrested in Denver.

• 1:44:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Oh, that's Nathan Larson.

• 1:44:52Shawn Ryan?

  OK.

• 1:44:53Ryan Montgomery?

  So Nathan Larson, he got arrested six months after the fact, after I hacked his site, after I submitted it to the authorities, to all the news stations. He gets arrested with a 12-year-old girl and gets arrested for kidnapping. And I don't think he got charged with rape, but he got the kidnapping charge. Nathan Larson then went to federal prison for that. And, you know, the website went down. And, you know, he just, he sat in prison for, I forget what the sentence was, but it was quite a long time. And to my knowledge, when you're a person like him, you are going to be put, you're going to be separated in a federal prison from the regular inmates.

• 1:45:38Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, spoiler alert, but Nathan Larson's dead. And the reason why he's dead is due to starvation. The news says that it's suicide.

• 1:45:50Ryan Montgomery?

  If I had to guess, the inmates that were, you know, responsible for feeding him, just let him, you know, starve to death. And I believe he deserved every second of that pain.

• 1:46:00Shawn Ryan?

  You and me both. So there's been, there's been five, I'm sorry, there's been five other sites that you've cracked into?

• 1:46:09Ryan Montgomery?

  So when I hacked Rapey, Nathan left backups of his previous websites on the same server. So it really only took one site to get all five.

• 1:46:19Shawn Ryan?

  How many names altogether?

• 1:46:22Ryan Montgomery?

  I'm not, I can't give you an exact number. I'm not sure. I bet it's tens of thousands.

• 1:46:26Shawn Ryan?

  Tens of thousands of people. Are these people all in?

• 1:46:32Shawn Ryan?

  Where, do you know where they're all at? Are they from all over the country?

• 1:46:36Ryan Montgomery?

  They're all over the country. Some are international, but most of them are in the country.

• 1:46:41Shawn Ryan?

  So when did 561PC start?

• 1:46:45Ryan Montgomery?

  So 561PC is an organization that I created with a friend, Scrappy. He's an MMA fighter. It started because of the frustration that nothing happened from this original, this whole ordeal. You know, we're talking two and a half years after the fact. I'd been looking into information on predators for organizations on YouTube anonymously, with my name not attached whatsoever, just finding information and sending it over to the organizations, and then they would go and confront them themselves. And I did that for many organizations, like I said, completely anonymously. I wasn't looking for recognition or my name to be attached to anything.

• 1:47:29Ryan Montgomery?

  I meet Scrappy, Dustin Lampro, whatever you want to call him. He's a really good dude, and...

• 1:47:36Shawn Ryan?

  Hold on, Scrappy's a professional MMA fighter in the UFC, correct?

• 1:47:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Well, he didn't get his call for the UFC yet, but he's eight no undefeated, seven knockouts. He's likely gonna get the call.

• 1:47:47Shawn Ryan?

  He's on the way.

• 1:47:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah. And even Dana White knows who he is, I believe. It's, you know, he's a good dude outside of fighting. He's a very nice guy, gentle heart, you know, religious guy, you know, great person in my eyes. So he was a good partner to pick for this upcoming project. And I brought up, I was like, hey, man, you know, do you know how bad it is on the internet? Like, I told him the story that I just told you. He was blown away by the fact that nothing happened. And I told him, I said, like, you know, let me show you how bad it is, not just tell you. So I was like, Google search teen chatroom Florida. Or, you know, it was something of that, something similar to that. So he Googled it. I told him, click any chatroom, I don't care which one it is.

• 1:48:33Ryan Montgomery?

  He clicks the chatroom, he clicked guest, you know, he didn't have to make an account, made his name, Ashley, 13, female, Florida, something like that, and just said hi in the chatroom. And within five minutes, he must have got 40, 50, 60 messages from grown men, some naked, some trying to video chat, some saying that, you know, they want to meet up, you know, very horrible things, like grown men hanging out in these teen chatrooms. From that point on, he realized how serious this actually was. And I was like, hey, well, you know that it's not just these chat rooms. It's most of the time it's social media apps like Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Tinder, you know, all of them.

• 1:49:16Ryan Montgomery?

  It's anywhere a kid has access to, Roblox, Minecraft, their Xbox when they're talking to their friends. These predators are on everything. So I said to him, hey, if we get some decoys in there and they, you know, grown women or grown men, they pretend to be children, we can go and try to catch these people and expose them in real life, just the same way I've been helping organizations for two and a half years do it, except instead of me sending it to them, we'll do it ourselves. We'll clean up our, you know, at least try our best to clean up our town in South Florida. And he was like, yeah, man, I'm definitely down to do it. And of course, you know, at first you think when somebody says they're down to do something like that, it's a hit or miss, but he was like, he was on point, ready to go.

• 1:49:59Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, we've caught 14 people now in a couple of months of doing it. And, you know, local law enforcement, Delray Beach Police have been incredible. And we're just going to continue to grow, you know? If anybody's interested in checking that out, it's at 561PC, like 561 Predator Catches on Instagram, same as for YouTube. And, yeah, you'll find me there and you'll also find Scrappy there.

• 1:50:28Shawn Ryan?

  Let's rewind. What was your first operation like?

• 1:50:32Ryan Montgomery?

  My first what?

• 1:50:33Shawn Ryan?

  Your first operation. What's the first guy you guys caught together as a team? How did that go down?

• 1:50:39Ryan Montgomery?

  So the first guy we caught as a team was just a complete test. Scrappy and I used an app called Grindr, which is a gay dating app for the most part, not only gay, but mostly gay. And...

• 1:50:54Ryan Montgomery?

  We both used a filter to make ourselves look younger. And we just started talking to any guy that messaged us. We didn't message anybody first. We waited for people to message us. And one guy eventually, within an hour, decided to talk to us. And we went out, met him, called the cops. And the guy ran to the bathroom. We couldn't film in the bathroom.

• 1:51:15Shawn Ryan?

  Where'd you meet him?

• 1:51:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Right on Atlantic Avenue in Delray, in front of a million people. And I embarrassed, I screamed at the top of my lungs at what he was there to do. And, you know, I don't do that anymore because you can get a disorderly conduct for that. I didn't know that at the time. But that was my first encounter. Guy just ran to the bathroom, then went hid until the cops got there. And at that time, the cops had no clue what was going on, so they just let him go.

• 1:51:42Shawn Ryan?

  Have you gotten anybody arrested?

• 1:51:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, multiple people.

• 1:51:45Shawn Ryan?

  How many?

• 1:51:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, three so far.

• 1:51:48Shawn Ryan?

  Let's go over the first one that you got arrested. What did that operation look like?

• 1:51:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, that one is actually, uh... No, actually, I think, do you mind if I go over the guy that I know the full story of right now? Because some of them are active.

• 1:52:09Ryan Montgomery?

  So, one guy, we have a YouTube video. And we made him, you know, do pull up, oh, I'm sorry. We made him do pushups and situps, you know, to distract them while the cops were on their way. And he said that, you know, that the girl had breeding hips. And I believe he said something about wanting to take a shower with her or something like that. Um, and how Florida works is they have the police station and then they have the state attorney. Some states have district attorneys, some states have state attorneys. I think they're the same thing, but they're just named differently. But the state attorney is the one that ultimately makes a decision on the... If the person's going to be convicted or charged with these charges.

• 1:52:52Ryan Montgomery?

  But the cops make the decision on what they're being charged with. So... We meet the guy, he admits to everything, you know, that he said in the chat logs. He admits to maybe even a little bit more. Then he admits it again to the police officers. He goes in the interrogation room. I send the chat logs and the video to them while they're interrogating. He admits everything to them because it's not evidence until the predator says it. Like, our evidence isn't valuable because we're vigilantes. So, you know, it's not technically evidence unless the police obtain it. So, all of that went well. The cops spent, uh, Delray Police spent a ton of time building the report out for this guy.

• 1:53:34Ryan Montgomery?

  State attorney, you know, was kinda iffy about it, it seemed. And the entirety of the case was thrown out because, uh, there's no shower inside of Walmart. So, there's no way he could have showered.

• 1:53:48Shawn Ryan?

  You've gotta be shitting me.

• 1:53:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, so it's, it's a little bit rough. We had a meeting with-

• 1:53:53Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know who's, who's responsible for that case getting dropped?

• 1:53:58Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't, I know it's the state attorney for whoever, Palm Beach County, for Palm Beach County, but yeah. It's, I don't know the exact name.

• 1:54:05Shawn Ryan?

  Is that an elected slot?

• 1:54:07Ryan Montgomery?

  I believe so.

• 1:54:10Shawn Ryan?

  We should look that name up and post it right here.

• 1:54:12Ryan Montgomery?

  It's wild to me, but, but the one thing that I can say is that, that one of the sergeants, who used to be a detective, did have a meeting with us right after that and told us what the state attorney would be looking for to secure a conviction. So, we are trying to fall within those guidelines now. Like, we call the cops regardless every time, but we're not sure if we're gonna get an arrest or not, unless it falls within the guidelines that we're told.

• 1:54:36Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan, do you think you could demonstrate right here, right now, how fast these sexual predators, predators will show up in a chat room?

• 1:54:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:44Shawn Ryan?

  Fire your computer up, let's do it.

• 1:54:46Ryan Montgomery?

  There's one guy here who is 47 years old, less than a minute, who wants to talk to a child in a teen chat. And I only said hi in the chat room, nothing else.

• 1:54:57Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit, dude. You, you jumped in a chat room, you called yourself Ashley13NewJersey. Literally less than 10 seconds, we have a 47-year-old wanting to, wanting to have sex with a, with a 13-year-old girl.

• 1:55:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's how quick it is. Like, I Googled teen chat. I'm in a different state, so I get different results here for, you know, the local teen chats. There was, there's no way for me to set it up, you know, all I did was say hi in the chatroom and press enter.

• 1:55:31Ryan Montgomery?

  And, you know, a bunch of messages came in, some were from actual teenagers, as it should be in a teen chat. And one of the guys, which, you know, who knows if they really are teenagers, that's another thing, but one guy was open about that he was forty-seven years old and he was completely fine with the age.

• 1:55:47Shawn Ryan?

  Where, where all is this happening? Is this happening? Just list off where this is happening that's, that, that everyday people use all the time.

• 1:55:58Ryan Montgomery?

  Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, Kick, WhatsApp, Roblox, Minecraft, Xbox, Playstation.

• 1:56:08Shawn Ryan?

  Xbox and Playstation?

• 1:56:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, because you can chat with random people in games. They could represent themselves as whoever they want.

• 1:56:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just, the list goes on. Anywhere where a human can communicate with another human, the child is not safe, so parents need to be watching that. And not just assuming like, you know, if your, if your kid says, hey, I'm on the phone with my friend, which friend is it? You know, is it, is it one that I know? You can't be scared of being a helicopter parent, because if your kid's aggravated at you for a couple of minutes for, you know, being overprotective in these scenarios, I think it's worth, it's not your fault regardless of what happens, but to save them from a life of trauma, I think it might be worth the extra couple of minutes or aggravating your kid to, you know, see who they're actually talking to, see which, who their friends really are.

• 1:57:02Ryan Montgomery?

  And just spend that extra time, because it could, it could save a lifelong battle with trauma.

• 1:57:09Shawn Ryan?

  This happened to somebody I know in, in Parkland. You know, I remember I used to live in Boca, so I got a lot of friends down there. Happened in Parkland, he's got... A daughter, couple of daughters, and she was, she, she was blackmailed by somebody and had taken pictures and it's, it's, it's everywhere, just as you just demonstrated it, I mean, ten, ten seconds, less than ten seconds, and he, and he's on there.

• 1:57:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:39Shawn Ryan?

  Is this, is this the case every single time?

• 1:57:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, yeah, yeah, some of the guys want to chat for longer before they meet up in person, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's that easy. It's, it's not good that it's easy, but it is that easy to, to find them, they're out there and they are, they're, they're being predatory, like, you know, like the name states.

• 1:58:02Shawn Ryan?

  How, I don't, I didn't, I don't know what to call it, I don't want to call it a success rate, but what is the percentage of people that you're talking to on here that will come and meet?

• 1:58:17Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, depends on how long you talk to them and if you can convince them that you're not a police officer.

• 1:58:24Shawn Ryan?

  Would you say the majority of them?

• 1:58:25Ryan Montgomery?

  Way more than the majority, yeah.

• 1:58:27Shawn Ryan?

  Ninety percent?

• 1:58:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:29Shawn Ryan?

  Over ninety percent?

• 1:58:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, it depends if they ask to meet or not yet, because sometimes it takes a while for them to chat, so I would say, yeah, if they, if they ask to meet, ninety, ninety-five percent plus, if they ask to meet up.

• 1:58:45Shawn Ryan?

  Ninety-five percent, you think?

• 1:58:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:50Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. How did, how did Project Veritas get involved with it?

• 1:58:55Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, they saw the, a viral podcast of me talking about the website and they were interested and they said, well, I want to help you bring justice to this, uh, to, to what the other stations failed to, to bring justice to and the FBI even failed to, or all, everybody, everybody failed me, I felt like they failed me, and Project Veritas said, hey, well, we will do something about this, we'll put our whole team on it, we're going to, we're gonna, we're gonna bring light to this, we're gonna bring these people out of the dark corners of the earth and, uh, and it- It made me feel like, okay, I have, I have a team here. You know, I have people that were, are willing to, you know, fly across the country and meet me on a 24-hour notice, which they did, to have a conversation.

• 1:59:41Ryan Montgomery?

  They, they flew me out to New York to, to do an interview, you know, just off my word. You know, I could have been lying, I could have been a member of this. Who knows what they, what, they, they didn't know who I was. So they just took my word for it and they gave me the most compassionate love that I, more compassionate love than I would have ever expected and still are to this day.

• 2:00:02Shawn Ryan?

  What does this collaboration between you and them look like? How are they, are you, you're obviously feeding them all the information that you've uncovered so far. Are you still getting more information?

• 2:00:15Ryan Montgomery?

  So, no, so right now, we're going off the data that I already have, which is so much. Especially with Nathan Larson's websites, you know. The one we're focusing on at the moment is rapey.co and .to. So anyone that was on that list is going to be investigated. We have all of their information or ways to find it. So we're just going to go down that list, keep exposing them in, in person. And we've found quite a few already. So it's, it's only going to get more extreme, especially as the team gets bigger. And hopefully we do some justice, put some more in prison, uncover some secrets.

• 2:00:56Shawn Ryan?

  How are you getting, how are you guys, so they sent me, so this interview is timed perfectly. We, when Project Veritas starts to release this information, we're right behind them. We've talked to them, we're collaborating with them. We want to just dump gas and amplify what you guys are doing to get this word out. So what does this collaboration look like between you and them? You're feeding them the information and then how are they reaching out to these guys? And, and how are they getting to them to come in and, and confess to this stuff?

• 2:01:31Ryan Montgomery?

  They, so they have their own ways of dealing with undercover operations and like filming undercover. But when we find the information on the people, you know, we're going off the database. We're taking the information per user. We're tying that to, well, you know, we have some archived images of when the website did exist. So we could say, this user said this at this time or replied to this at that time. Figure out who that user is and then organize a team to go out there and meet them. But the process of finding out who they are is called OSINT or Open Source Intelligence. And Project Veritas has been doing that already for years as well as me.

• 2:02:13Ryan Montgomery?

  It's, I specialize in OSINT and obviously being a hacker, it just comes with the, comes with the territory. So working together as a team, finding these people has been, you know, no different than what I would do on a daily basis, except it's just making a bigger impact.

• 2:02:30Shawn Ryan?

  How many guys have you guys put in prison so far?

• 2:02:33Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't think I can talk about that part yet.

• 2:02:35Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:02:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:36Shawn Ryan?

  We'll wait. Let's talk about the John Lewis confrontation.

• 2:02:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Yep.

• 2:02:45Shawn Ryan?

  He was on rapey.to website with his email link to it. He says he found the website through a Telegram group.

• 2:02:53Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:54Shawn Ryan?

  First, he admits to having a fetish to young children, went to therapy for help with that addiction. Has gone, has been going for many years and has made a little progress with his addiction.

• 2:03:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Addiction to porn, right?

• 2:03:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:09Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:11Shawn Ryan?

  Do you want to talk about that interview at all? Have you seen that?

• 2:03:14Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I watched the interview and the guy is in a facility for his addiction to porn, but was completely cognizant and coherent or, you know, he's not, he wasn't like a mental health case to like where he couldn't, he didn't know right from wrong. He definitely was fully aware of what he was doing. He, like I said, he's one of 7,000 on that list. But he did admit on an undercover camera that, um, that, you know, he was [BLEEP] to child [BLEEP]. He was soliciting [BLEEP]. And that he was a member of not only but those Telegram groups I mentioned earlier that were, you know, trading and soliciting child. He admitted all of that clear as day on camera.

• 2:03:57Ryan Montgomery?

  So that will be forwarded forwarded along to the police. And we'll see what happens from there, but that was very recent, his confrontation.

• 2:04:05Shawn Ryan?

  The application question to join the group. We've already gone over this. If a man wants to his three year old daughter in every while she is. Do you have a problem with that? Please elaborate on your thought process so we can better judge your suitability for this site. John Lewis's response. I do have a problem with that. That's disgusting.

• 2:04:31Shawn Ryan?

  Then they expose the conversation. Make a video.

• 2:04:37Shawn Ryan?

  In the school basement. Denied it. It was a lie denied received. Passed. He only admits to having seen. But did not distribute it. And then.

• 2:04:53Shawn Ryan?

  And then confessed to have looked or seen images. Never physically acting on those urges. And then later confessed.

• 2:05:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Right. And and says that he never did any of that. And if what he says that he did on the forum, he legitimately says that he kid in the basement across from the school. And just by chance, that's where he lives across from the school where his parents live. So, you know, he could, he could say he didn't or he did. But the fact that he admitted to.

• 2:05:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Like I've been in some very, very tough spots in my life, but I've never thought about a child. Ever. That's and I I doubt you have either. It's it's a.

• 2:05:44Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't trust anything you say. You know, so if you tell me on the forum that kid in the basement, you probably in the basement. That's that's what I'm gonna safely assume.

• 2:05:57Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know what happened to this guy?

• 2:06:00Ryan Montgomery?

  That that's like I said, it's so that one's so new that I'm not sure what's gonna happen to him. But hopefully.

• 2:06:06Shawn Ryan?

  He's still out there right now, though.

• 2:06:07Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:13Shawn Ryan?

  How do we solve this shit, man?

• 2:06:16Ryan Montgomery?

  There's no way to solve it, for sure. Like, you know, it's never gonna go away. And unfortunately, we have some states that are trying to normalize it. We have states that are trying to make it a sexual orientation. Um, and then we have other states like-

• 2:06:27Shawn Ryan?

  What states?

• 2:06:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, California being the main one that I know of.

• 2:06:31Shawn Ryan?

  What are they doing?

• 2:06:32Ryan Montgomery?

  They're trying to make it a sexual orientation. I think they're calling it, uh,

• 2:06:38Ryan Montgomery?

  something attracted minors or something.

• 2:06:41Shawn Ryan?

  They're making this a thing. They're making it okay. We need to accept... So now we need to accept people who are little kids.

• 2:06:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes. That's what they're trying to do.

• 2:06:53Shawn Ryan?

  We need to accept that now.

• 2:06:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, California is one state that they're trying to make it part of a sexuality to be attracted to children.

• 2:07:01Shawn Ryan?

  It's a sexuality to be attracted to children. Do you know any of the other states that are doing this?

• 2:07:06Ryan Montgomery?

  I could Google it, but in California is, uh, is the main one that I know of.

• 2:07:12Shawn Ryan?

  Not surprising.

• 2:07:13Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, not surprising either.

• 2:07:14Shawn Ryan?

  Not surprising at all.

• 2:07:16Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, so that's, that blows my mind that that's even a thought. And then there's people that defend these guys. It's a mental illness, it's a sickness, it's this, it's that. I don't care what it is, because it affects somebody else, you know? It's gonna ruin somebody's life forever.

• 2:07:31Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think these states are pushing this shit?

• 2:07:34Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know. I don't know. But Florida, I'll give you a good example. I mean, DeSantis is trying to pass a bill to, uh, to issue the death penalty for, for sex crimes against children.

• 2:07:44Shawn Ryan?

  From what I understand, that's in place. Is that in place now?

• 2:07:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Is it locked in? I mean, it must have been recent if so, but...

• 2:07:52Shawn Ryan?

  I don't wanna misspeak, but the way I understood it is that it is in there now. And that if you're doing this shit and you get caught, they're going to fucking kill you.

• 2:08:03Ryan Montgomery?

  I love that.

• 2:08:06Shawn Ryan?

  Why, why is it a-

• 2:08:08Ryan Montgomery?

  That should be the case everywhere, in my opinion.

• 2:08:10Shawn Ryan?

  Why are all the Democrat states trying to legalize this shit and make this normal? I don't fucking understand that.

• 2:08:18Ryan Montgomery?

  I don't know.

• 2:08:19Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know how you can vote for that shit. I don't know how you can affiliate with that shit. I don't know how you can think it's okay. It's fucking disgusting.

• 2:08:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you, it's, you know-

• 2:08:32Shawn Ryan?

  They're normalizing [BLEEP] kids.

• 2:08:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah. And they're creating people to defend them.

• 2:08:38Shawn Ryan?

  And people are voting this shit in.

• 2:08:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking Newsom, Gavin Newsom, got recalled and they voted him in again. And look at this shit, now he's making this shit normal? I mean, I hate to get fucking political, but what the fuck is wrong with these people?

• 2:08:53Ryan Montgomery?

  I agree with you. Agree. So, I, I can't explain, I wish I could. I wish I could explain why we just got a message in 10 seconds in a random chatroom from a 47-year-old man wanting to [BLEEP]. But, uh, I can't, I, I have no explanation. And all I know is that we need to find a way for parents to be educated and for kids, when they get old enough, to be educated.

• 2:09:19Ryan Montgomery?

  So that this doesn't happen to them. You know, that's, that's all I know that I could do. And, uh, the only other thing I know I could do outside of educating parents, schools, uh, children, is, uh, is, you know, help some, some, you know, organizations out that, human trafficking and, you know, victims of any type of sexual assault, whether they're children or adults, like, uh, I have the resources and the team and the, the skillset to be able to help people. I just need those people to be put in place. As well as, let's say, parents monitoring their child on an app. You know, I have some ideas in my head for apps, but I don't want to plug a specific app if I don't know if it's great or if I can trust them, so-

• 2:09:59Shawn Ryan?

  You know, even if you don't plug, if you, even if you don't plug an app, Ryan, what do these apps do? Like, so if I put this app on my son's phone, what is, what do I get?

• 2:10:09Ryan Montgomery?

  So you're gonna know where he's at, at all times. You're gonna be able to read his text messages, you'll be able to check his app usage, you'll be able to, you know, lock down certain parts of the phone that you don't want him to, to be on. Um, and, you know, just basically as if you have access to the phone, but you have more access than him.

• 2:10:28Ryan Montgomery?

  It's it's really more, I think it's more important to do that and have your kid aggravated at you than, like I said, the the latter.

• 2:10:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, I would a hundred percent agree with you.

• 2:10:38Ryan Montgomery?

  You know the statistics with the like the the one in ten people before the age of eighteen are are sexually assaulted? And forty percent are are twelve years old or under?

• 2:10:49Shawn Ryan?

  I didn't know that.

• 2:10:50Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I mean, that's

• 2:10:52Shawn Ryan?

  Forty percent?

• 2:10:52Ryan Montgomery?

  Forty percent are under twelve. So i- it's important to do this stuff, you know?

• 2:11:01Shawn Ryan?

  So with these apps, so the way I'm understanding what you're saying is if I put one of these apps on anybody's phone, I basically get control, just like you were talking about earlier, people's computer. I can control everything they're doing, what they're looking at.

• 2:11:17Ryan Montgomery?

  It's like a commercial remote access Trojan.

• 2:11:19Shawn Ryan?

  How easy is it to to manipulate the app? I mean, because here's my concern, I'm getting old and my son's gonna be a lot more tech savvy than I am.

• 2:11:31Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 2:11:31Shawn Ryan?

  So he's gonna learn how to defeat that.

• 2:11:33Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, for sure. So I don't think that it's gonna be easy. Uh, as of right now, I know it's not easy. I know of one that that my uh, my uncle is using and it hasn't been beaten by uh, by his daughter. So uh, you know, I I don't think it'll be that easy. No- nothing's impossible, but uh, you know, they could always get on a computer, which there's other ways to protect the computer.

• 2:11:56Ryan Montgomery?

  If it was me as a kid, I'm maybe I'd get a little more crafty because like, you know, that's what I like to do. I like to hack computers.

• 2:12:03Ryan Montgomery?

  But I don't know, it would it would stop me and make me second guess what I was doing. If I knew my parents or parent was watching everything that I was doing online. I would second guess my conversations and who I talked to.

• 2:12:18Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, man. This shit is...

• 2:12:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Because I'll give you one example. A guy was talking to our decoy. This is like the second or third person that we caught. Talking to our decoy in a normal chatroom, not like that, like a regular social media site, and was using a photo of some guy that was in a band as a profile photo, using a fake phone number, fake age, and a fake name. And we were like, "We can't find information on him. Like, we can meet up with him, but we're not gonna know anything about the guy." So, we eventually got the decoy to get the guy to send pictures of his face. And he sends some real pictures of his face. I was able to find him on the internet, found his real name, found that he was not the age that he said, not the name that he said. He wasn't even using his real photos.

• 2:13:06Ryan Montgomery?

  He booked a hotel room. A hotel room, he ordered, he even actually ordered pizza to the hotel room, thinking that he was meeting with an 11-year-old at that time. And it's, you know, you gotta remember that the 11-year-old he thought he was talking to was under the assumption they were meeting some guy from a band that was younger, that got a hotel for the night, that just ordered pizza, when in reality, it's some guy in his mid-40s [BLEEP] him.

• 2:13:40Ryan Montgomery?

  It's unbelievably messed up.

• 2:13:43Shawn Ryan?

  Let's take a break. I need a break.

• 2:13:48Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:14:09Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:14:31Shawn Ryan?

  Alright Ryan, we're back from the break. Sorry man, I had to... It's getting a little too angry before the break, so I wanted to-

• 2:14:38Ryan Montgomery?

  I understand.

• 2:14:39Shawn Ryan?

  Wanted to cool off for a minute, but while we were on the break, I want to clear a couple of things up. We were talking about the California law and the Florida law, so we printed some stuff up. This is from the Liberty Champion. I didn't realize, this stuff in California got signed into law in 2020.

• 2:15:00Ryan Montgomery?

  Right. Yeah, I don't know, you know, God knows what more they've done since then.

• 2:15:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, who knows?

• 2:15:06Ryan Montgomery?

  I know the LGBTQ plus community, from what it says in one of those articles, they were not happy at all about this decision. So it seems they're not in support of, or at least the LGBTQ movement is not in support of the sexual, or sexually attracted to minors or men. I can't remember the acronym.

• 2:15:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so the plus, is that what this is?

• 2:15:28Ryan Montgomery?

  I believe so, but I don't want to be wrong, so-

• 2:15:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's just stick to what we know. So I'm just gonna read this. This is a report from the Liberty Champion. It is an opinion poll. I think this portion is factual. You can look it up. We're on a time crunch, so whatever, look it up. But according to this, "A couple of weeks ago," this is dated October 12th, 2020. "A couple of weeks ago, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a law that would allow judges to decide whether or not to list someone as a sex offender for having [BLEEP] or [BLEEP] with a minor. According to the bill, it only applies to consensual sex, whether it be [BLEEP]

• 2:16:16Shawn Ryan?

  between a minor, 14 years old, or older."

• 2:16:24Shawn Ryan?

  So as long as they're 14, you're good in California. Well, I guess, I guess you're not good. It's up to the judge.

• 2:16:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, it's up to the judge and they believe that children can consent at that age. Um, and then from just, you know, from what I know, just hearing things or reading things, that there is a, they want to make it a sexuality in certain states, one being California, that you're attracted to minors overall. Um, and I don't believe kids can consent personally, um, not in the slightest.

• 2:16:55Shawn Ryan?

  This, this goes on to say, yeah, it looks like, this is an opinion poll, so I don't want to get too far in the weeds, but yeah, it looks like they're adding it to the LGBTQ plus community.

• 2:17:09Shawn Ryan?

  Minors deserve the right to consensual sex too.

• 2:17:13Ryan Montgomery?

  That's ridiculous.

• 2:17:14Shawn Ryan?

  That's not from me. That's from this. I totally disagree with this shit.

• 2:17:18Ryan Montgomery?

  Agreed.

• 2:17:19Shawn Ryan?

  Somebody tries to make a weird sound.

• 2:17:21Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I don't agree with it either.

• 2:17:22Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, then we go, and then the Florida thing, this is April 20th, 2023.

• 2:17:31Shawn Ryan?

  This is from ABC News. They're really upset about this. Uh, if you read the whole article, but Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday, signed a bill that will allow juries to impose the death sentence, even if all 12 jurors do not agree. He is also likely to approve a second bill passed by the lawmakers on Tuesday, next Tuesday, that would make sexual battery of a 12-year-old, of, I'm sorry, sexual battery of a child under the age of 12, a death penalty offense. It's quite the difference between the, uh, two states there.

• 2:18:08Ryan Montgomery?

  Agreed.

• 2:18:09Shawn Ryan?

  I know where I'd want to live.

• 2:18:10Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I, and I do live in Florida and, and totally agree with, uh, what he's, what he's trying to do.

• 2:18:16Shawn Ryan?

  I still, I just can't believe people are into this shit, you know?

• 2:18:19Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, I do it, I do it every day and, uh, I still can't believe it.

• 2:18:23Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, so we're going to kind of wrap things up here. There's a couple of things that we haven't talked about yet. I know you got a couple of facts, uh, statistics that you want to rattle off. Before we get to that, real quick, let's go over a couple of examples. On our break, you were talking about, uh, confronting a man in Delray Beach.

• 2:18:44Ryan Montgomery?

  Yes.

• 2:18:44Shawn Ryan?

  Who then was later caught. And then we also talked about a letter that you got from a... I don't want to say a gentleman's attorney, a pedophile's attorney.

• 2:18:56Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 2:18:56Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, basically standing up for him, trying to pay you. I'll, I'll leave it to you from here. Let's start with the.

• 2:19:02Ryan Montgomery?

  So I'll start with the guy, um, eh, the, the video as of this, as of recording now isn't, isn't on our YouTube channel, but, um, by the time this, this is released, people will be able to watch this, this man's video. Um, he showed up, um, after talking to our decoy and, you know, talking sexually. Um, he was fully aware of the age, um, and he, he, I looked, you know, I looked into the guy. The guy went to school to be a teacher. He has a bachelor's in, in teaching, uh, uh, teaching to some degree. Uh, I don't know what specific topic or if teaching is just a degree, but he is a teacher. He taught at two different schools.

• 2:19:42Shawn Ryan?

  What schools?

• 2:19:43Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, I have them, uh, on my computer. I, I don't have them off the top of my head.

• 2:19:47Shawn Ryan?

  Local Florida schools?

• 2:19:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, one is an online tutor school and another one's not. So, uh, but he has two, two properties, one in Massachusetts and one in Florida. Uh, he showed up to meet, um, his name was Brent. And, um, I walked up to him with the camera, uh, Scrappy behind me. And we called his name and, uh, the guy just starts walking away while he's on the phone with our decoy. And, um, we're like, hey, we, we have all your information. We know where you live. We know your, like, we, I, you know, instead of just saying, we know where you live or giving them the address, we're telling them where, you know, his name. We're telling him where he's worked. We're telling him age, like this guy knew that we knew who he was and he kept walking and kept walking.

• 2:20:28Ryan Montgomery?

  Then he goes into a full sprint. He's full sprinting through the Walmart and, you know, I, I'm not a big runner, so. Uh, I just start chasing after him, you know, I'm, I'm running as fast as I can to, uh, to catch up with him. I got the camera in my hand and I'm screaming at the guy saying, you know, what are you, what are you doing here? Like what's going through your head? Guy gets in his car, he drives away. Didn't get a word out of the guy. So we thought, okay, let's just report it to the police. We'll put the video up. It'll just be a short video. We'll attach some of the chat logs so people see he was a teacher. And, um, I thought that was the end of it. Couple of days later, uh, I get a text message from a friend that says, hey, didn't you just catch this guy? Uh, her name's Courtney Elizabeth. She's a predator catcher. She, uh,

• 2:21:13Ryan Montgomery?

  She texted me a screenshot from another predator catcher 1,200 miles away in Pennsylvania. So, we're in Florida originally. This guy is, drove to Pennsylvania for whatever reason, I don't know why he was there, if he was on his way to Massachusetts, I don't know what he was doing there, but got caught again by another predator catching group. And, um, and I, I reached out to that, that predator catcher, uh, Luzerne County Predator Catcher. He's just, he does his county and is, is known in that specific area. And he sent me all the chat logs. One of the chat logs said that he was chased out of Walmart by two police officers. And the guy has no idea who we were because we didn't get a chance to say, you know,

• 2:21:54Ryan Montgomery?

  we didn't get to, get a chance to even tell them what we were do, tell him what we were doing. So, just, you know, the, the point of the matter is, he didn't get the point the first time. He likely ran from Florida because he thought he was being investigated or wanted by the police. And then you also have to think, if he got caught twice by two predator catchers, which is not the most common, you know, profession or niche in the world, how many times this man hasn't been, has not been caught? So, it's disgusting, you know, that he's a teacher and disgusting that he'd do it twice, but just think of the amount of times this man has probably not been caught. So, that was, that was one thing. And then we caught another guy that I wanted to, I wanted to reference.

• 2:22:39Ryan Montgomery?

  Um, we caught another guy, um, named Steven, who he went to his job. We asked for him. What was his job? Uh, he was, uh, he's a manager at a seafood restaurant. And we showed up there, we sat at the table. He was supposed to meet with, with our decoy. Uh, at that point, uh, is 13 or 14 years old, uh, if my memory serves me correctly. And, uh, he bailed last second that day. A lot of times these guys will bail and then they'll come back, you know, they, they never really disappear because they can't, they can't control themselves. This guy was very sexual. He said that he wanted, uh, he wanted our decoy to sit on his face. He wanted her to come back to his house, horrible things. So, we were like, you know what?

• 2:23:22Ryan Montgomery?

  We're not gonna let this guy just bail and disappear. We know where he works, we have his information. Let's just go there, order two glasses of water. We know he's the manager, so he'll come up after we request the manager and we'll bring him outside and have a conversation. So, we did that. He was fully aware that he was being recorded. And everything that, everything, you know, was, it was very transparent what was going on. You know, we asked questions, he told us the answers to them. He knew we weren't police, he knew he was free to go at any time. And he offered a ton of information, that was up to him.

• 2:23:56Ryan Montgomery?

  So, you know, that gets over with, police come, we give the police all the information that we have. And some time goes by, and I get an email, which the original email was, you know, saying to take the video down off of the, off of the internet. And it went, originally that went to Scrappy's cellphone. And he didn't see it at first, but then when he did, he sent it to me. And then I replied to it, but the first email was straight to the point, like, take this video down. It's in violation of this statute of the privacy laws of Florida. And last time I checked, you can record in public. You know, it's, you have no expectation of privacy in a public place, audio or video.

• 2:24:39Ryan Montgomery?

  And so I wasn't too concerned about the threat from the law firm who's representing our predator. So I sent the reply back and I said, take a look at the person that you are representing. Here are the chat logs, if you want, if you want to be clear. Because I didn't release them with the video. So the attorney could read all of the horrible things that the guy not only admitted in the video, but, but that he said himself in the chats with pictures of his face. Then they reply a few days later, and I'll read you their reply. They said, "Thank you for your response. In accordance with Florida statute 934.03, we are requesting that we remove the video. As stated in my previous email, this video is exposing Mr. Blank to an increased risk of physical harm.

• 2:25:24Ryan Montgomery?

  In the video, you have exposed his face and full name without his consent, which is a violation of privacy laws. See below." And then this is from the statute. "In Florida, it's illegal to record an in-person or telephone conversation without the consent of all parties. Violating this law constitutes either a misdemeanor or third-degree felony, depending on the offender's intent and conviction history, can also subject, subject the offender to civil damages." And then at the bottom, this is the kicker. We respect everything that you do and acknowledge your mission of doing what is right and protecting the public. In fact, we would like to offer you $1,000 to support

• 2:26:04Ryan Montgomery?

  your cause and for the administrative costs for the removal. I will also be at your service if you need our help in the future, if you face any legal issues with your channel. Again, we're not looking for a battle, we're looking for your help. Respectfully, blank. So, I will not release their firm's name. I don't respect the fact that they're representing a predator, but they haven't filed a lawsuit against me at this point. If they do, this email is in my possession. It was sent to me. I can release this email. It's not a threat by any means, but I will release it to let the public know that, you know, somebody's representing a predator and trying to make my life and Scrappy's life more difficult,

• 2:26:46Ryan Montgomery?

  you know, about exposing a local predator. And then number two, the fact that they said that they would want to represent us. Why would we ever want legal advice from somebody that would take most likely 500 bucks from a predator to take down a video that is educating the people in the area who's dangerous? Why would we want to be represented by somebody that's okay with that?

• 2:27:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:09Ryan Montgomery?

  So, I just wanted to let you know that one. It blew my mind.

• 2:27:13Shawn Ryan?

  This stuff just goes on and on and on. And Ryan, I want to get you back here again to dive into this more, maybe in six months or so, because I know there's going to be a bunch of stuff that develops. But, so, I know you have a couple of statistics you want to rattle off.

• 2:27:30Ryan Montgomery?

  Sure.

• 2:27:31Shawn Ryan?

  And let's rattle those off, and then let's try to end this with some, with something positive.

• 2:27:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, agreed. So, these are just, you know, just some, some statistics about human trafficking, which goes, you know, is, goes, it coincides with exactly what we're doing, catching predators and, and these pedophile ring websites. One in five US teenagers who have received an unwanted sexual solicitation online, that's Crimes Against Children Research Center. 13 years, 13 years old is the average age at which a child first encounters an explicit website, which comes from Guard Child. 75% of children are willing to share personal information with strangers. That comes from E-Safety Commissioner.

• 2:28:20Shawn Ryan?

  75%?

• 2:28:22Ryan Montgomery?

  75%.

• 2:28:24Ryan Montgomery?

  Fifty percent of sexual exploitation incidents involving children that begin on begin on social media platforms.

• 2:28:31Shawn Ryan?

  What was that percentage?

• 2:28:32Ryan Montgomery?

  Fifty percent that begin, which I believe is higher.

• 2:28:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Twenty-seven percent of online child exploitation cases involving a perpetrator who is a family member or acquaintance.

• 2:28:46Ryan Montgomery?

  Source National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the people that ignored me. But yeah, twenty-seven percent of people are cases involving family members and acquaintances. Which I think that number's higher too. So, they're just statistics, they're not always accurate. But either way, they're still horrible regardless of which way you look at it.

• 2:29:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, it's it's something to try to wrap your head around and

• 2:29:14Shawn Ryan?

  and understand the severity and how much this shit happens. But, moving on, let's get into some good news. Let's, let's talk about how we solve this thing.

• 2:29:26Ryan Montgomery?

  Right.

• 2:29:27Shawn Ryan?

  Which seems, when you look at it and you see, you can enter just any chatroom and somebody shows up in five seconds to...

• 2:29:35Ryan Montgomery?

  Literally, within ten seconds, we had that message, or it might have been five.

• 2:29:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. And, yeah, we'll find out in the video when we edit. But, but, you know, just to bring some hope to people, you know, we actually,

• 2:29:52Shawn Ryan?

  the videographer came up with a, with a great option, at least a start. And he was saying, "You make a database, you know, we'd pull all of your

• 2:30:06Shawn Ryan?

  information, intelligence that you've yanked out of these, out of these sites. And hopefully you'll continue to exploit these sites with that information. And make a database, a public database that has all the people that are associated with these sites. Names, addresses, pictures, if we can get them, all of it. And then, people, schools, businesses, people that are looking to hire..."

• 2:30:34Shawn Ryan?

  Parents, anybody can just go under this database, type in a name, see if it pops up.

• 2:30:40Ryan Montgomery?

  Or a face.

• 2:30:41Shawn Ryan?

  Or a face.

• 2:30:42Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:42Shawn Ryan?

  Or both. Um, I think, I think that's a phenomenal idea.

• 2:30:48Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, of course. I mean, like we were saying on the break, um, you know, it's not like these people are innocent by it. There's no, there's no possible chance of them being innocent. There, there's chat logs of them talking sexually to what they believe is a minor. And then there's video evidence of them showing up there at the time they say they're going to be there. Most of the time on the phone with what they think is a child while they're walking through the store or through a public place to meet who they think is a kid. So the, the database of, you know, if a cop can't, you know, if a cop can't get a charge to stick, or the state attorney doesn't want to go, go through with the case.

• 2:31:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, well, then the public should know regardless because then they can make their decision based on the evidence that was gathered by the public.

• 2:31:36Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I, I don't know what the legalities would be either, but if you are an attorney who knows this subject and you want to help, reach out to Zero Day, reach out to Project Veritas, shit, reach out to us.

• 2:31:51Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:51Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, all those links will be in the description. But I think that would be, you know what else I think? We should shame the attorneys who are representing predators.

• 2:32:03Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, yeah, I think it's ridiculous. I mean, there's no money in the world that you could pay me to get rid of this information, to stop the journey that I'm on right now. I don't care what you offered me, it's not happening. It's, it's not worth it. There's, I care too much about kids. I don't even have a kid. And, and again, off the break, I said, I can't, you know, I don't know how I'm going to act when I have a kid. I'm already crazy and, you know, it's about my friends' kids, you know, I'm, I'm going to be, I need to find a balance between being a crazy parent and, uh, and, you know, and letting my kid have their own space because I'm just, I'm terrified.

• 2:32:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, me too. You know?

• 2:32:46Shawn Ryan?

  I don't, I just, I don't even. This stuff really gets to me and when we connected, I told you my goal this year is to dive into this subject and bring a lot of awareness to it. And man, this shit eats me alive, you know, but, and then you breed stuff like what California's doing and it's, it's, I mean, they're, they're, they're making this up. They're trying to normalize it. So if you're a pedo, move to California. Right, yeah. If you're not down with that, move out of California. I guess so. It's getting to be that simple, you know? They're gonna, look what's going on there, you know? Yep. Everything, the whole, anyways, whatever.

• 2:33:28Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, you know, I wanna, I really want your word to get out and I wanna, I wanna connect you with some people. I wanna connect you with my friend, Matt Murphy, uh, who's doing Operation Light Shine. He's making a huge dent in this stuff. I think, I think how this ends, obviously government's not gonna get involved. Right. Uh, especially in particular states. I guess, uh, Florida's getting involved. Florida might, yeah. But, um, but whatever, government moves as slow as a snail. So I think what it's gonna be is it's gonna be this collaborative effort from citizens. People like you, people like Matt Murphy, um, going after these guys. There's other organizations out there and it's this big colla-, it's turning into this

• 2:34:13Shawn Ryan?

  big collaborative effort, you know, to get rid of these people and expose what they're doing and educate the public on how to keep your kids safe. And just, Ryan, just with what you're doing, I think I may have brought this up at the beginning, but, I mean, if you think about the impact that you're having, you know, you're educating kids, kids are gonna wise up to this stuff. That's gonna drop the numbers. Parents are gonna be listening to this. They're gonna wise up to this. That's gonna drop numbers. Mm-hmm. Predators are gonna watch this. Oh, yeah. And realize we're coming for them. And they are heavily. And they're gonna get scared and some of them are gonna stop. So just by doing this show, this one show.

• 2:35:01Shawn Ryan?

  It's gonna stop a, it's gonna stop a handful. It's gonna, it's gonna save at least one kid.

• 2:35:06Ryan Montgomery?

  That's good with me. One kid is good with me.

• 2:35:09Shawn Ryan?

  I want to also, actually, I already sent the text, but I want to introduce you to a podcast that's,

• 2:35:19Shawn Ryan?

  they do phenomenal work. It's called Concrete. It's run, their host is a guy named Danny Jones. I think he's somewhere in the Tampa area.

• 2:35:27Ryan Montgomery?

  Okay.

• 2:35:27Shawn Ryan?

  I'd love to connect you with him. I haven't, I haven't even met him in person, but I'm a huge fan of their podcast. That's one that I watch.

• 2:35:33Ryan Montgomery?

  I've actually seen it. I've seen it with, I met one of the, one of the guys.

• 2:35:38Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, good.

• 2:35:38Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, not, not, I didn't meet any of the, any of the, I'm sorry, the producers of the show, somebody that was interviewed. Oh. He was a fraud guy, but.

• 2:35:48Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 2:35:49Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:49Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I'd like to introduce you to them because I think they'll, I think they will have the courage to help you get the word out. And there's another guy,

• 2:35:58Shawn Ryan?

  Julian Dorian, who I'm actually going on his show here pretty soon. And I want to make that connection to because that guy, he does some really, really, really good work. And I'd love to, I'd love to make all three of those connections with Matt, Concrete guys and Julian Dorian.

• 2:36:18Ryan Montgomery?

  I really appreciate that very much. And, and, yeah, the more, the more we can make, the more noise we make, the better. And like I said, the resources that I have and the abilities that I have and the abilities my team has, you know, especially with cybersecurity company and, and my hacking team combined.

• 2:36:38Ryan Montgomery?

  The more resource, like, the more resources, the more we can do. I mean, it's very simple. It's, I just, if I don't have access to these missions, or I don't have access to some tips or what, I can't do anything.

• 2:36:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:51Ryan Montgomery?

  So.

• 2:36:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, what I want to end this, I want to say, if you have fallen victim to this, or you know somebody that's fallen victim to this, speak up about it. Get in touch with Ryan Montgomery. All your links are going to be in the description. Zero Day, your Instagram, with a zero, not spelled zero.

• 2:37:19Shawn Ryan?

  561 PC, that'll be linked. Project Veritas and everything that they're doing. All that stuff's gonna be linked in the description. And, and if you don't wanna reach out to them, you can reach out to us and we'll put you in contact with them 'cause they're the ones doing the real work. And, um, this is how we battle this shit. You gotta speak up. You've gotta get to people that can, that can lead you to the right people. And, and we gotta expose these people. You know, the, the, the, the predators.

• 2:37:52Shawn Ryan?

  Man, what a heavy subject.

• 2:37:54Ryan Montgomery?

  Yeah, unbelievable.

• 2:37:57Shawn Ryan?

  What do you got coming up?

• 2:37:59Ryan Montgomery?

  Uh, well, hopefully, you know, this release comes out and, uh, and, you know, I have some people reaching out and, you know, not, not entirely sure I wanna do them based on some, some things we just researched. But, uh, yeah, more to come, more to come. It's, I think that, uh, I'll start with your connections.

• 2:38:19Shawn Ryan?

  Right on, man. Well, Ryan, I just wanna say, man, it's, it's,

• 2:38:25Shawn Ryan?

  you're just a great human. Helping addiction, helping people that are addicts out. And then it morphed into this. And, uh, you obviously have a, a heart of gold and it shows and,

• 2:38:36Ryan Montgomery?

  Thanks.

• 2:38:37Shawn Ryan?

  I'm just proud to know.

• 2:38:37Ryan Montgomery?

  Likewise, man, likewise.

• 2:38:39Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 2:38:39Ryan Montgomery?

  I appreciate you.

• 2:38:40Shawn Ryan?

  All right, brother. Best of luck and I'll see you soon.

• 2:38:43Ryan Montgomery?

  See you soon.