Is Regime Change the Answer in Iran? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this in-depth interview, former Green Beret Mike Taylor shares his expert insights on the current geopolitical situation in the Middle East, focusing on Iran, Hezbollah, and U. S. strategies. We explore historical context, regime change tactics, and potential paths forward for peace and stability. Grab Vitamin 1 WATER HERE: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Vitamin+One+Water GhostBed ⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/team FOR 10% off! Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Jack's news outlet:⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Whitefish security summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio 00:00 Start 01:12 Current Situation in Iran and the Middle East 02:55 Historical Context of U. S.-Iran Relations 10:25 Strategies for Regime Change in Iran 15:48 Political Dynamics and Military Strategy 19:15 The Role of Technology in Modern Warfare 25:52 Conclusion: The Future of U. S.-Iran Relations 26:25 The Impact of Protests and U. S. Response 28:43 The Role of Diplomacy and Military Expertise 30:25 Hezbollah's Influence and Regional Dynamics 32:35 The Complexity of Israeli-Palestinian Relations 35:46 The Need for Regime Change in Iran 39:41 Negotiating with Iran: Challenges and Realities 44:05 The Future of U. S.-Iran Relations and Regional Stability Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  Look, in January, President Trump told the Iranian people, "Take to the streets, we got your back." Forty thousand people that took the streets were murdered, slaughtered. Nobody had their back. Nobody's talking about that. We need to have them overthrown. There must be regime change. If there's no regime change, we've lost the war.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I've got a special guest today, Mike Taylor. You guys might know him from, uh... Well, he's had a pretty storied career, I'd say. And we've had a great, we had a great podcast with him as well. Maybe, probably a couple of years ago now, uh, talking about his crazy, uh... The Carlos Ghosn affair of smuggling Carlos Ghosn, the former Nissan Renault executive out of Japan. And, you know, unfortunately, you getting kind of screwed over while Carlos Ghosn is, you know, living the high life. Of course, Mike was a former Green Beret. He's been around the block. He's got an incredible company as well, Vitamin One Water. Check that out.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  I'll have a link in the description. It's delicious. You guys, you guys were a sponsor with us for, for a while. Maybe we could figure that out later, too, but check that out. Mike's a great guy. 10 out of 10 dude. I mean, you've been so, just a little bit of personal stuff. You've been so helpful with like the team house and stuff, trying to help us out with like sponsors or, or, you know, try to connect us with people. So I really, I really appreciate that, just a little personal.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  So Mike, how you doing?

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Going great.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Frustrated with what I'm seeing happening with Iran.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so that's basically what we're gonna like the basic subject of what we're gonna talk about today. Um, just a little bit of an update. There's supposedly a ceasefire. I don't even know how you could call it a ceasefire. They've been also trying to deal and make an extension to the ceasefire so they can open the Strait of Hormuz and uh, start really deep dive talking about uh, enrichment uh, uranium enriched. They're enriched uranium in that's already there. Um, Iran kinda seems to be tagging uh, Lebanon and Hezbollah to the ceasefire as well. So that's like a big sticking point. Obviously, Israel doesn't want that. Supposedly, there's a ceasefire struck with Israel and Lebanon yesterday, but they've been bombing Lebanon

• 2:51Speaker 02

  and Hezbollah has also been firing back at Israel. Um, it's kind of a mess, obviously, and it has like, you know, we've been talking about it for weeks. A ton of uh, reverberations across the world. I mean, you know, gas prices are not cheap, uh, food, you know, inflation's up. And we're not even feeling it as much as like the rest of the world is probably feeling it. Um, also, Congress, I guess, act acted a little bit yesterday. The House passed a War Powers Resolution Act, uh, aimed at limiting future military action against Iran. That's gonna have to pass the Senate. Uh, I don't know if it will. And also, go to uh, President Trump's desk to sign. I don't know if he's be willing to do that. So, yeah, Mike, just, you know, you let me know.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  I don't have a specific question. Uh, I know you have a really unique insight into the Middle East and stuff like that. So, yeah, I'd love to hear where you're at with this.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been fighting against these guys since 1983. Um, you know, I was standing outside the American Embassy, April 18th, 1983, four minutes after one, when they sent the car bomb in and blew it up. You know, sixty-three souls died that day, many Americans and many local Lebanese as well. And then we had the Marine barracks, October twenty-third, nineteen eighty-three, we lost two hundred and forty-one Americans there. At the same time, they hit the French barracks, not as many, but still, lost life. These guys are out of control, and there's only one way to deal with them.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  You know, with our present situation with Iran, you know, the IRGC is now in control of the country of Iran. And they're fighting for their existence, they're fighting for their lives. Because if they get overthrown, they're finished, they'll all be murdered, they'll all be tortured, and their lives will be over. So they have a lot to, a lot to fight for, a lot of motivation. Whereas, it seems our administration is sitting back, beating their chest, thinking they're Johnny Cool and no big deal. We're talking about American lives here, you know, in the military, dealing with this. And, and the reality is, the Iranians are winning right now. You can talk about ceasefires all day, there are no ceasefire. How's it a ceasefire when they're attacking our, our military bases and attacking our allies?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  You know, they, they pretty much shut down the economy of the United Arab Emirates with their missiles, missile attacks, going back to the end of February. I was there for that. And, you know, hotels are at less than one percent occupancy. People, all the companies have to lay off like fifty percent of their employees. Some Mongolian numbers, the other ones have to take forced days off. You know, so you're gonna work, but you're gonna work, you know, ten days unpaid, just because the economy is destroyed. And they were never consulted in advance, at all. They had no idea what was going on. And that's not just the UAE, that's Saudi Arabia, that's Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait. You know, they're getting hammered, and their economy is getting hammered, much worse than ours.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Hours were paying for higher gas prices, and higher food prices, and fertilizer, and all that, that's definitely increasing. And, you know, the White House can say, oh, well, it's not, and it's just short-term pain. That's a bunch of bullshit. This is hard pain for American citizens. They don't have a lot of money, a lot of people are blue-collar workers, and they live paycheck to paycheck. Single mothers are trying to raise families, it's not easy. But sitting back in the White House when you're fat, dumb and happy, you know, talking about everything's gonna be fine. Um, I'm gonna work a ceasefire and I'm gonna work an agreement. There's no agreement with Iranians. I'm here to tell you, I've studied them at Harvard. I've been on the ground with them, against them, talked to them, fought against them. There's gonna be no agreement. They have no honor. They have no integrity.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Anything they agree to, they won't adhere to it. It's a joke. And one of the reasons that they're fighting so hard and wanna make Hezbollah part of this, part of the nexus, is because that's how they control the country of Lebanon. Make no mistake about it, the Lebanese army does not control the country of Lebanon. Hezbollah controls Lebanon.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  No ifs, ands, buts about it. That's another proxy. That's definitely a proxy for them. And people are saying, well, the Israelis, you know, they invaded in nineteen eighty-two for no reason. No, it's because the Palestinians were there. Remember back at, when, when Israel took over in forty-eight or fifty, whatever it was, uh, Israel took over Palestine, declared it Israel. The Palestinians all went to Jordan. King Hussein welcomed them with open arms. Until the Palestinians tried to overthrow him and kill him. So he kicked their ass and threw them out and they went to the refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria. And in Lebanon, they took over the city of Beirut. And they're the ones that were firing the missiles into northern Israel from southern Lebanon. That's why Israel invaded in nineteen eighty-two. So let's not forget the history.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  So many people on social media and whatnot seem to forget that history or not know it. And now, since we started this war with Iran, they've controlled the Strait of Hormuz, which they didn't before. And it's really interesting, since we crushed their navy, destroyed their air force and their military, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and beating our chests. How is it with no navy that they control the Straits of Hormuz? I'm interested. Please, please tell me that, Mr. President. How's that happen? Or did you let them do it? Oh, I get it, our blockade? This is all bullshit.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Mike, the interesting thing too is about like, you know, even, you know, I was young when we went into Iraq or the buildup into Iraq and um, you know, there was always that talk about like possibly going into Iran, but the issue with Iran was they had, they could control and mine the Strait of Hormuz. So it wasn't like the Strait of Hormuz is like this new like ace in the, you know, a magic card that nobody knew about. Like everybody, any analyst and people, operators like yourself who have worked there and been in the region know like that's a huge choke point that Iran can use, right? And we still went in there.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  It's been part of our doctrine to deal with that, going back to the Cold War. So this is nothing new.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  At all. And they started playing games when President Reagan was in there and he just annihilated Bandar Abbas. Just one night, he just annihilated it and they backed off. That's the only thing they understand. Look, in January, President Trump told the Iranian people, "Take to the streets, we got your back." Forty thousand people that took the streets were murdered, slaughtered. Nobody had their back. Nobody's talking about that. We need to have them overthrown. There must be regime change. If there's no regime change, we've lost the war. And we're losing it today. You talk about negotiating and, and the president said, "Oh, I'll take my time, blah, blah, blah." Well, that's great. You take your time all you want,

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Chunky, but you're hurting the American people. They control the Straits of Hormuz. Twenty percent of the world's oil is stuck there. So, you know, the bravado don't work with the Iranians. There's only one thing that works with them, and that's brute force. And again, you can talk about all you want, you know, none of that matters. What matters to them is what they have, what they can control. And they're controlling the Straits of Hormuz. And they're not afraid. They're attacking, they attacked us yesterday. They attacked our bases in Kuwait. So again, all the bravado and the big talk, this ain't Manhattan Real Estate where you can talk trash and not have to back it up. This is the real world. This is the varsity level. You gotta back it up. And it's better not to talk trash. It's better just go do it.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  You know, and then you listen to people like Ambassador Ryan Crocker. He's just such a wealth of knowledge, so much experience on the ground over there. He'll tell you the same thing. There's only one way to deal with that regime, and that's to annihilate him. You gotta get rid of him and let the people take over. It'd be a reverse of 1979 when Ayatollah Khomeini came in. All these radicals took over. They controlled our election, the presidential election. When Carter was the president and Reagan took over, they held those hostages in the American Embassy there until Reagan swore in.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  Right, on inauguration day, yeah.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Once he took the oath as president, they released the hostages. That's how they were manipulating the American presidential election. They don't care. They'll play with the big leagues. And again, there's only one way.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  So what would your recommendation be to get rid, like, you know, 500,000 American troops on the ground in Iran?

• 11:14Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not. Let this, cut the CIA loose and let them go, you know, give arms to the population. Set up some resistance. Make, you know, this is a perfect UW situation for SF people, for special forces. You know, send some in there, you know? Let's get the people up and trained a little bit and let's attack. But in the meantime, we gotta hit them with all of our air power and naval power. Open the Strait of Hormuz, put some pressure on them. Iran has no pressure right now. They're talking about economically, they don't give a damn about their people and their economic situation of the country. They really don't. So there's no real pressure on the Iranians, and they feel like they're in, you know, in the best position because since the war started, they've progressed. Now they control the Straits of Hormuz before they didn't.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Right, yeah. I mean, listen, I'm of the, I'm of the side of like, we were in a better negotiating position on February 27th before we started this, uh, the air campaign and stuff and wiped out, uh, the old man Khomeini and stuff. Uh, I think frankly, even if we were, I don't, I'm not an expert, so I don't know. I mean, like how the UW would work if we, you know, armed the Kurds, let them lose and in the populace, like the more, you know, general populace that actually lives in Iran, like proper around Tehran and stuff, wherever the power centers are. I mean, would that entail, like, let's say you armed the populace, built up some resistance groups, would that also entail like airstrikes, right? Like working

• 12:42Speaker 02

  in, in, uh, in conjunction with like airstrikes as well? Cause it would, it sounds like a huge undertaking, even forget the 300 or 500,000 American troops, just like, uh, just our resistance inside of Iran that is coordinated with airstrikes.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  We don't need hundreds of thousands of US troops on the ground. We only need some SF teams that to infiltrate and be able to train and assist and advise the local resistance. Create the local resistance, get them armed, beef them up a little bit, give them some confidence targets and let them continue on. Then they can start protesting and when they're getting shot at, they can return fire. Then you have a regime change in the making. That's how it works. It's not complicated. We've done it many times and the CIA is very good. They're the best on earth at doing this stuff. Why they're not doing it? That's all coming from the White House.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't understand it. Frankly, I don't see like any, uh, there was any like real strategic thought into going in, bombing Iran frankly, and I'm of also the thought that like it was, you know, we kind of were a little bit, not a little bit, we were dog walked by Israel into it as well, cause it benefits them. Um, I mean, I don't know how you feel about that, but like.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Look, I think, I think we could have been in a better place diplomatically. That's where I stand.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Did Netanyahu sell Trump? Sure, he butters him up and tells him how great he is. He's the smartest guy on earth, blah, blah, blah. Trump loves that stuff. Let's be honest, that's just a reality. But I'm all for regime change, always have been, because without regime change, you're not going to have a country of Lebanon with a sovereignty. You're not going to have Syria, you're going to still have problems because they, they, you know, essentially, you know, controlled Syria. And the same with Iraq. When you got Nora Malaki as the prime minister of Iraq, who's a Shiite, he's very close tied to the IRGC and the Iranian leadership. So, you know, essentially, they have the trifecta there. They've got Iran, they've got Iraq, they got Syria, and they got Lebanon. They control it.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  In addition, they also control the Houthis in Yemen. So, yeah, you gotta get rid of the regime. I'm all for getting rid of the regime. Talk to anybody. Talk to the ambassador Ryan Crocker. Talk to the real professional diplomats, not real estate guys and, and, and son-in-laws who get thrown into this position. Talk to real pros with real depths of knowledge. They'll all tell you the same thing. If you don't have regime change, you lost the war. Regardless that Netanyahu convinces or not, I'm all for regime change. We should have been doing this a long time ago. I don't know why they didn't, but they didn't. So Trump did a good thing in that regard, but you can't start and then stop and beat your chest and think that you're scaring anybody.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Because your little, your little tweets on social media don't scare anybody. These are Iranians. There's one way to deal with them, and only one way we would deal with them. And professional diplomats and foreign service officers will tell you the same thing.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think the tricky part is, I mean, Trump kind of operates in a different level, like in terms of like a normal politician where like political capital means a lot to most politicians. For him, he can, he can kind of burn it until he doesn't care. He doesn't really have that kind of like pressure. I mean, they will feel the pressure, obviously, with the midterms. So I think the little bit of political pressure he is feeling is...

• 16:13Speaker 02

  It's gonna make it hard, I think, for like a covert program where you send SF and, you know, ground brand CIA guys and to like stir up the resistance, similar to what we did in Afghanistan, right, right after nine 11. Um, and we did it in Iraq, too. We're definitely good at it. I don't know. I don't know how that's gonna play, though, politically. That's what I mean. Even though he is more Teflon than like most politicians are.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, and again, it goes back to what are the fundamental aspects here? Number one, we're losing the war. We started it. We're losing it. We pissed off all of our allies throughout the Europe and throughout the Gulf Coast countries. They're all not happy with us because we just essentially destroyed their economies and didn't have any coalition or give them a heads up prior to attacking Iran. Um, in addition to that, this isn't long-term things we're talking about here. Get some weapons into the people. Let them have their own resistance. Doesn't have to be the courage. Normal Iranian people do not want this. They do not want the Ayatollah or the IRGC in charge. Give them some weapons. Show them which end of the gun the bullet comes out of and cut

• 17:19Speaker 01

  them loose. This isn't really complicated. Let them go. Cause the IRGC doesn't have that kind of control before because a lot of their, their, their political hierarchy has been destroyed. So there's a, there's a power struggle inside right now. These are prime opportunities for uh, an overthrow of that government.

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• 19:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not, I don't know. So I'm not a, I can't really say, you know, it does make sense that like if we're going to start what we've done for the last, you know, before the ceasefire, quote unquote, where we've, we were bombing them pretty consistently. Like if you're going to go,

• 20:12Speaker 02

  do that, go kind of go, you should go all in, right? You can't be half pregnant, right? Like whether you need to arm the Kurds, do it, or arm the actual populace inside of Iran. I would have thought that this would have been the plan from the get go, right? And maybe there was a plan always, but like, you know, the Trump administration, obviously, you know, they decided to go into Iran like with five guys in a, in a boardroom, basically. And like, like, let's do it. Let's start attacking without really like what comes next? You know, when you wipe out their entire, um, entire like power structure, like the Ayatollah and the other 40 people they killed that day one. Yeah, you're you're asking for chaos, right? You're selling chaos, really. And it was kind of like a half-pregnant idea.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  John Hackett, one of our hosts, like, he was talking about like how, you know, Iran doesn't have internet. It hasn't had internet for like, you know, since the war started, or since the protests started.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  There are ways for the US to like, give, give the Iranians internet, to at least get the information space back on their side, spread some, you know, do some psyops, spread some propaganda, right? Try to like, get the, the, the actual citizenry to like, start revolting and resisting like they were doing in January. And like, some of those like, smart moves, or not even smart moves, just moves that make sense, if you explain it to anybody, have, weren't taken, weren't even like, broached. It was just like, we're gonna do airstrikes, you're gonna see some cool videos, and we're, we're, we're gonna declare victory. Like, there was no plan here whatsoever.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Right. And what happened to Voice of America? That came out, you know, in the World War II days, and that was, that's phenomenal. That worked everywhere. But when that cut with USAID and everything else? Again, this, this would be a perfect opportunity to use it. And, you know, again, I don't understand why the president doesn't get his buddy Elon. Remember, he had the chainsaw cutting jobs, federal jobs? Yeah, him. Why don't they put some of his low-flying, low-orbiting satellites over there so they can have internet? So, it was interesting. The reality, the reality is here, Iran is kicking our ass right now. They are in the driver's seat. They don't need to negotiate. They got all the pressure, pressure in the world put on Trump, not on them.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  They don't give a damn about November elections. They don't give a damn about Trump or his, or his corrupt family, or any of that stuff. They don't care. They're surviving. They want to live. They're fighting with a lot of motivation, because if they die, they're finished. If they get kicked out of power, they're finished. They're gonna be eaten alive. Because it was just in January where they killed forty thousand innocent people who were on the streets protesting. That's a lot. Those people in Iran, the Iranian citizens, are very aware of all this. They would love to, you know, be able to take over.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, it's, I remember there was a report also like they asked Elon and Starlink. They gave him a price for what it would look like for Starlink to get put over Iran and and give people, most people, internet to be able to just access the fucking, they have no internet, like it's wild. It was gonna cost, I think, a hundred million upfront plus 500 million over the course of the, of the pro, you know, the, the program and the DOD said no. Meanwhile, we're like losing jets that are 600 million dollars, like the E3 Century and stuff. We're losing hardware that's, you know, multiples of that price. And, uh, you would think, you just would think there would be a full spectrum strategy

• 23:48Speaker 02

  to this and there wasn't at all. Um, and honestly-

• 23:52Speaker 01

  You thought it was Venezuela again?

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Well, even still, like even if- Get his guy out of his bed.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  I know, that's the crazy thing, cause Venezuela was like a totally different op, right? It was JSOC in and out in a few hours. This is not that at all, like not even close. So I don't know, I think, I, I, I don't, I guess I'm giving him a little bit too much credit, Trump, but like, you would think he could see the difference between that. You don't have to be like a military strategist to see the differences.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  But you gotta understand the military. I don't think he understands anything about the military. Remember, this is a guy after Venezuela that was talking to 82nd Airborne Division troops, telling them, I know you guys love me because your 401ks are doing so good.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Soldiers don't have 401ks.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  So I don't think he knows the difference between Venezuela and Iran operations, frankly.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's that, to me, that's scary. Or not even anyone in there to be like, hey, okay, Venezuela was great, like that op was amazing and like the JSOC boys did what they do and they did it almost flawlessly. This is not an operation in the middle of the night, in and out, like, uh, this is sustained combat operations or air operations.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  To what end? I don't know, like frankly.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Well, this, this is big boy, big boy war. And big boy war is you're gonna have a plan. You gotta have a plan for everything. A plan for entering and a plan for exiting. Perhaps what they should have done is look at the exit plan first. That's how we do it in special ops all the time. How do we get out? Sometimes there is no way out, so we don't plan for it. Maybe we're gonna walk out, but whatever. We gotta get in, get the mission done. But the reverse planning is, is critical, especially in a time like this. But, you know, additionally, again, it goes back to, if you don't get rid of the regime, they're gonna stay in power. You didn't get rid of their, their fusion. They controlled the Strait of Hormuz. Who's winning this? You said you weren't gonna give

• 25:50Speaker 01

  them a nuke. You didn't care about individual Americans' financial status and how things are, are costing and the escalation of all prices and inflation. And you don't care about any of that, but you just care, you don't want Iran to have a nuke. Well, if you, you really don't want them to have a nuke, why do they still have their, their fusion? And why did, are doing fusion and their material? And why do they now control the Straits of Hormuz? 20% of the world's oil? We're losing. We're getting hammered. And again, you know, beating your chest on social media doesn't do jack to help the American people, to help our allies, or, you know, win the war over there. If we don't get rid of the regime, they're gonna win. They'll

• 26:35Speaker 01

  keep Lebanon. They'll keep Syria. They'll keep Iraq. And anybody thinks that they don't control Iraq is still buying tickets on Pan Am.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, I mean, you know, Iraq is predominantly Shia, right? We got rid of Saddam and there was a huge vacuum there. That you would also thought the analysts, and they probably, there probably were analysts that were like, if we do this, it's going to break out in civil war and Iran's gonna have a bigger hold and like they, you know, the powers that be didn't listen.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  You know, we broke Iraq and that seems to have helped, um, you know, Iran filled that vacuum happily.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  I can't tell you how many times we were, we were, uh, expressing our opinion, do not disband the Iraqi army. Do not disband the Iraqi army and you got academia like Bremer, Paul Bremer arguing against us. It's like, come on, guys, we know what's gonna happen. We know what's gonna happen. They've got to feed their families. If you disband them, they're not getting paid. What are they gonna do? Go to the Iranians. Iranians will pay them and they'll be working against American soldiers. We lost a lot of American soldiers because we disbanded the Iraqi army when we knew better.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Everyone said like that was the big, uh, that was the, that was the turning point. I mean, you can make a case. It was a turning point for the entire region, frankly.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  You know, um, cause you know, ISIS proliferated, yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  And historically, the conventional war between Iran and Iraq, you know, people were saying, you know, that went for eight years. These people are tough. No, it went for eight years because they don't know how to shoot, move and communicate. That's what happened. Nobody could win. It was a stalemate. They just throw human waves of bodies at each other and getting them killed. We've seen all their helmets or a lot of their helmets at Saddam's parade ground with the cross swords. They're fighting eight years because they don't know how to fight. Now this war that we're in right now, and make no mistake, there's no ceasefire. How's it a ceasefire when they just fired up missiles at our, at our military base? How's it a ceasefire? You could say it's a ceasefire in Washington. Take your fat ass over there and get hit by a missile and see how much of a ceasefire it is.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  You know, let some bullets and some fragments come whipping by your head. See if you think it's still a ceasefire.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Mike, in your professional opinion, you really think if we were pushing the U W, let CIA loose, SF loose, um,

• 29:02Speaker 02

  We would be able to make regime change?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely, absolutely. Look, you had forty thousand people take to the streets without weapons. They were butter knives. That's how motivated those people are, the the population. They're motivated. It's eighty percent of the population wants the twenty percent of the population out. Unfortunately, the twenty percent of the population is IRGC and the ruling government.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  They have the guns.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Eighty percent want them out. They gave their life, over forty thousand of them, some estimates up as high as sixty thousand. People who are protesting in the streets because Trump said, I got your back.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I absolutely do believe that. You give them the weapons and a little bit of knowledge, absolutely, they'll take to the streets again.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  In your opinion, from the day, from January, when they were protesting and getting killed by the IRGC? And when Trump went out and said, you know, we got your back, why did it take? You know, almost two months, seven, eight weeks, six to eight weeks for us to actually do something?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Because he doesn't care. He's not well advised. He has no real expertise around him. Again, where where are the professional diplomats? Where are the generals with real knowledge?

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Where's our subject matter experts on?

• 30:20Speaker 02

  They got fired. They got rid of the whole NSC. The National Security Council is like, basically, you know, no one's there anymore.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Who who's the wing nut now in charge of national intelligence?

• 30:31Speaker 02

  I don't know, that guy Polty, I don't know what.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Really? Where did he come from? But again, that's what happens when you don't have real seasoned professionals around you. Go try, go into, go into Venezuela with, you know, a group of real estate investors and see how well you do with that. No, you send in special forces to take care of business. Why? Because they're pros at it. They're the best on earth. You don't send in knuckleheads. You send in knuckleheads, you're gonna have knucklehead problems. Guess what? All of our diplomats that he's sending over there, the crucial diplomats are all knuckleheads. They got no experience. The only one with a brain and has got some real experience is Marco Rubio. But again, these guys all got a kiss the ring of of the dictator down there. We're saying we don't have money to do operations, but we need a billion dollars for a ballroom?

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Come on, the whole thing is just piss poor manage. It's pathetic.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, I don't know if I'm down for like a full on. I mean, I'm always down for a little bit of covert ops. I'm frankly surprised that the CIA wasn't trying like over the last thirty or forty years hasn't had like a program to arm resistance in Iran, frankly, like um.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Even if it was small, right? Like not like, but some kind of like actual network there that they, you know, had been arming people in Iran for for the last few decades. Just in case, like, you know, all these, you know, two thousand nine, they had a big protest, a big uprising too and stuff like that.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  That surprises me a little bit. I know it probably would take a lot of bandwidth and we had the global war on terror and all that stuff and, you know, we were really focusing on other things. But again, like, yeah, I don't. It's interesting because if it was such a huge problem for us or worry for us. You would think we'd be more prepared.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, and look, there are plans in place. There's no doubt about it, you know, to to run resistance groups, no doubt about that whatsoever. However, it's got to come from the top and it hasn't come from the top since. President Reagan and, you know, historically since nineteen eighty-three. Uh, the Iranians keep getting stronger through their proxies. They, the, the, the country of Lebanon is governed and run and controlled by Hezbollah. Hezbollah could take it over anytime they want. Not as much right now, just be thanks to the Israelis, you know. People could say whatever they want about Israel, but if it wasn't for Israel, Hezbollah would still be in charge there a hundred percent. But even today Hezbollah is still firing rockets into northern Israel.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  What does that tell you? That tell you that there's a lot of support from Iran there, a lot of support. And the same thing goes for Syria. They were sending missiles and all their logistical supplies through Syria into Lebanon. And nobody's going to say a word. Lebanese army can't say a word. You know, you have all these Lebanese politicians there talking about this, that and the other. All they're doing is ripping the country off.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Why isn't the Lebanese army doing anything?

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Hmm?

• 33:30Speaker 02

  What, in your opinion, why isn't the Lebanese army doing anything?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  They don't have the ability to do it. Remember back in the early eighties, nineteen eighty-two, eighty-three, we went over there, started training the Lebanese army. They were broken up into factions. You had the Druze, you had the Maronites, you had the Shiites. Um, and then we were supplying them with all kinds of brand-new one-one-threes, armored personnel carriers, all new weapons, all new uniforms, training them up, teaching them urban combat, teaching them shoot, move and communicate and combine arms, uh, tactics. And then, uh, the political aspect hit again. And they all took their weapons and went home. Christians went to their place, Druze went to their place, Sunnis went to their place, Shiites went to their place. They took their weapons from the army and the tanks and everything and went home. So it split up.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Who's in control during that time? Hezbollah. Hezbollah was growing. It started in nineteen eighty-three. They started growing and Iran was feeding them, feeding them, feeding them. They came from the vacuum of the Palestinians getting kicked out by the Israelis. Now you have a whole bunch of Lebanese citizens here in their teens, in early twenties, that have no job, no education. What are they gonna do? Perfect grounds for Iran to come in and start this, this group called Hezbollah.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Hmm. Yeah. Man, I don't know. I don't know what the, uh, cause frankly, I'm of the, I'm of the side of like Israel. Frankly, I'm gonna be honest, Israel is the way they've been pur- purporting themselves over the last few years, and frankly, over the last twenty years. I think has inflamed tensions in the Middle East. Uh, I'm in no way trying to defend Hezbollah or Hamas or any of the terrorist groups. I think Israel should do what Israel is really good at and, and smoke the guys they need to smoke strategically. Uh, more covert action is what I, I always vote for, rather than overt stuff.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Um, because, again, I, I'm gonna say that, especially in the eyes of an American citizen, I, I'm not Israel is not looking great. For, on our side, you know, they're, they're, they're going about it in a wrong, in the wrong way, I think. And I think they should exist and be secure and, uh, You know, have their own country, just like I think the Palestinians should too, right? Um, but just the way they've been going has, has really hurt them in terms of popular opinion there. I don't think there is much, especially in America. Forget about the rest of the world. The rest of the world is no, not huge fans of Israel either. Um, I think there are better ways to go about it, right?

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Like instead, like you mentioned, like, you know, a more tailored way for Iran, right? UW, let CIA and SF go in there and, and train up people, arm them and uh, try to be as asymmetric as you can or unconventional as you can. I think Israel can learn from that and be able to keep themselves secure while also not having the civilian casualties that they are racking up.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, it was, it was definitely, in my opinion, genocide would happen in Gaza. There's so many innocent people there and children. It's just heartbreaking. Heartbreaking to, to, to see that and the world stand by and watch, including Biden. You know, he, he could have put his foot down if he was awake. I don't know. But yeah, it's horrible. It's horrible and the world should never have to seen that and those poor people. Those poor Palestinian people. Look, I'm not talking about Hamas. Hamas, I'm all for hanging them up, gutting them like deer.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  I'm okay with that too, you know?

• 37:07Speaker 01

  All for that, but not these innocent kids and women and, and elderly. There, there's no reason for that. Anyways, it's, that doesn't solve our problem today. Uh, Hezbollah, for example, they intermingle themselves with the population. They hide, they'll really even run to the Christian areas, hide there. Um, and you'll have little bits of, uh, real pockets of resistance that'll fire a couple of missiles into Israel. Uh, but a lot of the Hezbollah guys are very, uh, their morale has been broken. Especially after Hassan Nasrallah was killed, a lot of them morale was broken and they lost a lot of people. Um, but again, where are these guys gonna go? They've got nowhere to go. They have no education, no food, you know, they, no, no way to earn money.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  There's no economy there. You got, Lebanon is one of the most literate countries on earth. They grew up, you know, since the age of two or three, uh, reading, writing and speaking three languages, French, Arabic and English and fluently, you know? It's just, it's amazing. People don't realize the literacy rate. Their schools are phenomenal. When they graduate high school there, come to the American colleges, it's a joke for them. Because they're just so well educated. But they have no, they have no future there. You get some of the best educated people on earth, but they have no future. They have no opportunity. Why? Because Iran and Hezbollah. That's why. It's that simple.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Man, I don't know. I don't know what the fix is frankly.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Um. But again, you go back, you cut, cut the umbilical cord. We gotta get rid of the Iranian regime. Get rid of the Iranian regime. The tentacles from the umbilical cord dry up and die. There's no other way. I'm telling you, there's no other way. I challenge anybody to find another way to get rid of those, uh, proxy organization. And let me tell you what. Hezbollah is no joke. They had Ahmad Mugnei on there. Uh, he started as a, a young teenager because he was one of the bodyguards, uh, for Arafat way back when. And when the Palestinians got, uh, kicked out, uh, by the Israelis and, uh, General Alexander Haig was there. He was doing the shuttle diplomacy back and forth.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  There was a big vacuum and those Lebanese citizens that were working with the Palestinians now had to do something else. And Ayatollah Khomeini did a perfect, perfect job of getting in there, getting them motivated, paying them some money, taking care of their families. And then they had a real proxy. They were so strong, within 24 hours, they declared an operation in Buenos Aires and they blew up some targets in Buenos Aires. That's how strong they were in their reach. They also controlled a lot of people and a lot of things by kidnapping foreigners, especially Americans. So, you know, they're no joke. They're no joke. And the only way to get rid of all them and Houthis is get rid of the regime in Iran.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  And, you know, I would love to get somebody like Ambassador Ryan Crocker on. You know, listen to him. I'm telling you, he's going to tell you the same thing. If that doesn't happen, there's not going to be any change. Right now, we're losing the war. We losing the war. We're in a worse position today and our allies are also than before we started this war.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no question about that. We strategically lost this war. That's why they always say in like press conferences, they say like militarily, we've won. It's like, okay, yeah, you blew up a certain amount of things and killed a certain amount of people. You checked a couple of boxes. But strategically, where are we? We're worse off than we were February, before February 28th, you know, before we started bombing.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  I challenge that. They say militarily, we won. If militarily, we destroyed their navy, how they control the Strait of Hormuz?

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, and plus frankly, like the Iranian navy wasn't exactly something to be so scared about. You go there, you drop a couple of mines and the insurance companies get scared.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  We're the strongest military ever known to mankind. And it's not being used properly because they don't have the expertise. They're incompetent.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Um, all right. Yeah, we'll see what happens. Obviously, this is still gonna be cooking. Um, I saw a couple of interesting things too. Like, uh, I think Qatar said, or Qatar said that, um, or not Qatar, Kuwait said that even if the Strait of Hormuz opened tomorrow, where it was back to where it was in February, that, uh, it would take six months to get 70% of the oil production back. And so it's not exactly like, uh, you know, open it up and things are back to normal and perfect. It's gonna be slow, slow rolling. Um,

• 41:35Speaker 01

  And it's gonna be even slower than that because if, again, if you don't change your regime, they're gonna fight you tooth and nail on everything.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Man, listen, I'm not a fan of the Iranian regime, obviously, but I don't, it seems so, it's like such a difficult task. And frankly, I, cause I'm, you know, I'm just a student of all this. Basically have been witness to what we've done over the last 20 or 30 years. And it's just, it seems like regime changes a lot of heavy, heavy lifting. Um,

• 42:09Speaker 01

  We've got the, with the reality, we have the capability to do the heavy lifting. And it's not that complicated. We almost had regime change early on in this war by eliminating so much of their leadership. There was almost regime change. However, we didn't have the other aspect of it, the people, the people, 80% of the population, they had no way to take over that little bit of strength that remained.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  In the IRGC. Had we had that, this would have been over a long time ago. Trump would have been a hero.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, what else you tracking? Anything else that you want to talk about? You want to talk about Ukraine?

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, again, you know.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  So Mike, let's go into like you a little bit. So you worked in and around the region for ever, right? For years.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  I've been in and around the Middle East since 1983.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  And in 1983, you were in the SF, right?

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you were going down, you were in Lebanon and stuff like that, like helping train or, you know, try to do a little bit of FID.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, we put the Lebanese army together, back together. We often, they, they look like, you know, a band of, you know, guerrillas. When we got there, they had no uniforms. They, they were wearing sneakers with their, you know, part of their camis and nobody had the same uniform. They were just total, in total disarray. We put them all together, made them into an army, trained them. They could shoot, move and communicate, do combined arms maneuvers and, and, uh, you know, we actually took over Beirut with the Lebanese army. We assisted them in taking it over. We took it over from the Progressive Socialist Party, which is the Druze, the Amal, the, the Shiites. Um, all the different, you know, the Hezbollah, which is called the Islamic Jihad back then.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Um, so all these different organizations, these different, uh, paramilitary organization militias, we took it over. That's the first time the city of Beirut has been taken over by the Lebanese army ever.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  But we lost control of the army because they all went back politically to their different religious outfits. And that's when the army broke apart again.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's sad because I know Lebanon's a great country. Beirut's a great place. Um, I have a bunch of friends who are from there who now live in New York and stuff like that. So.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a wonderful place, wonderful place. Highly educated. They're the most hospitable people on earth. I'm telling you, you're not going to find more hospitable people than them. Uh, maybe in Dubai you'll find some, but they're just amazing, the hospitality. I've actually walked through Dahy before and knocked on the door and asked for help. They knew I was an American. They bring me in, they get me coffee, they, they want to give me some fruits and then they got me a ride back to where I needed to go. That is hospitality.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, so you were around back then when they were like, when we were trying to go after the guys, you know, the the fuckers that took Buckley, right? Like, were you?

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Part of that?

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Cause I heard. I'll tell you a story about that.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Please.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  They had him over in the Sheikh Mohammed barracks in the, in the Baqah. In Baalbek. And there was a deal working on back then with Ali North and those guys about the Hawk missile parts and, you know, getting them to the Iranians and we'd sell them to them for a hundred percent and send that over to the Contras to to help them out because of the Bolin amendment, Congress shut off funding for them. But we got to the point where the Syrian said to Hezbollah, you go ahead and you're going to turn these, these hostages over now. And Hezbollah, because they have a direct line to Iran, said, no, we're not. Cause if you, the Syrian army tries to come in and take him, we're going to kill all the hostages first and then we're going to kill all the Syrian army people that come.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  That's how strong Hezbollah was from Iran. That was back in nineteen eighty-five, eighty-six, eighty-seven.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  And that was like a few years after they formed, right? Didn't they form in eighty-two?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Eighty-three, yes. That's correct. They were that strong, that fast because of that vacuum that the Palestinians left.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  And again, why don't we put some factories in there? Talk to these professional diplomats like the Ryan Crockers of the world. Put some factories in there. Let's get these people some jobs, some work, some fun stuff to do, earn money. They have no way to earn money. What do you think they're gonna do? Same thing when we disbanded the Iraqi army. They have no way to feed their families. It matters. That's their job as a, as a man, especially in the Arab world. Got to take care of the family. No different than here. They got to find a way to take care of their family. They're getting paid by the Iranians? Okay, so be it. But shame on us. We're the ones that exacerbated that.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gonna be a wild next, hopefully, I don't know, something that gets figured out and

• 47:05Speaker 02

  things go back to semi-normal, man, I don't know.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Mark my words, D, there's not gonna be any peace deal. The Iranians may sign whatever, it'll never happen. They don't have uh, the ethics, they don't have the morality, they don't have any honor, they don't care. What they care about is getting a nuclear bomb. They're gonna do anything they can in their power to get that nuclear bomb.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  Well, specifically now too, right? Like, think about it, um. It, it's real simple, you know, you see North Korea, um. No one fucks with North Korea because they have nukes. Right? So if you're, if their ultimate, and it probably, obviously is, their ultimate goal is regime security. It's not making sure the Iranian people are well taken care of, or the economy's booming. It's them staying in power. What's the ultimate? Obviously, now it's straight O'Harmus, right? Because that's a big card that they're playing. And the big boy is, is a nuclear weapon. Um, so, yeah, I, I can't. Listen, do I think diplomacy could work?

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Where, I don't know if you could trust them, obviously, you never trust them completely, you always fucking run intel on them and make sure you know what they're doing exactly, um.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  But I, I, my opinion is we were in a better place February 27th, in terms of negotiating wise, uh, than we are right now, that's definitely for sure.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we lost some right now, but as far as true negotiating, it's irrelevant. They're not gonna negotiate. They don't give a damn. That's what the American people don't understand. They will not negotiate. They'll jerk you around and make you think they're negotiating. They're not gonna negotiate. They're not gonna surrender their, their nuclear material. They're not gonna give up their ambition for it. It's not gonna happen.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  So you do you believe like the JCPOA was like not like the first nuclear deal with Iran?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  I I put that in the same category as the Clinton administration decide we're gonna pay North Korea a lot of money not to make a nuke. We're paying them hundreds of millions of dollars every year not to make a nuke. What were they doing? Making a nuke. Thank you for your money, you dumb asses.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  I mean, the crazy thing is though now like there's talk like we're gonna unfreeze 12 billion for Iran right now, then start a 300 billion dollar investment fund for Iran like, you know, there's talk now that we're gonna open up the the floodgates in terms of the cash. That's like whether it's frozen or taking off sanctions or sanctions relief.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, another big mistake, another foolish American mistake. We, you know, we we we get the ATM, you know, mentality, push a few buttons, we want our reward. Those guys remind me of the Afghans. They're very much like that. We were negotiating with the Haqqanis to get an American hostage release. And they said, listen, guys, the Haqqani said this, Jalaluddin Haqqani said, uh, Mr. Mike, I tell you, you guys have the watches. We have the time. Iran's the same thing. Americans, we want everything now. Everything's gotta be quick, drive through quick, drive through quick. Iranians are staying there. They're motivated. They're fighting for their lives and they're not gonna change and they're not gonna give it their demands.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Why do they care about money? They don't give a damn about money. They want a nuke. They get a nuke, then they control everything. Would we attack them and now they could control the Straits of Hormuz? They're sitting in the in the best seat they could possibly be sitting in.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Ah, man, I it's a problem with the show. There's never good news. Give me some good news, Mike, for God's sakes.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Hey, get rid of the regime and things will flourish. We won't have, we won't have other countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen uh, under control of the Iranians. There's good news. Let's make it happen.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know what else is good news? I want people to go and drink, uh, vitamin one. That's what I want them to do.

• 51:03Speaker 01

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• 51:06Speaker 02

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• 51:07Speaker 01

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• 51:09Speaker 02

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• 51:10Speaker 01

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• 51:15Speaker 02

  It really is delicious. I would love, I'm actually gonna go order some on Amazon right now. I remember there was a time you guys were sending us, you were sending us cases. I was loving that. It was so good. It's so good. Uh, that link is in the description. Check that out. And Mike, if you want to, uh, plug anything else, please feel free.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  No, we're good. We're good.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Mike, let's do this again.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Mark my words. There's not gonna be a real peace deal. There's not gonna be a negotiation. The Iranians are gonna do just like the North Koreans did. Pay us a lot of money and, oh, sure, we'll tell you, we're not, we're not gonna make a nuke, but we paid them hundreds of millions of dollars every year to the North Koreans while they were making the nukes. Same thing with Iran. They're gonna tell you, we're not doing it, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're gonna keep doing it.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  All right, guys. We'll see you next time, Mike. Again, thanks. A pleasure. Let's do this again soon. And it was really good catching up with you.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  My pleasure. Good seeing you. Take care.

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  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 56:08Speaker 04

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  Cash Flow Crunch? OnDeck's Small Business Line of Credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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  Cash Flow Crunch? OnDeck's Small Business Line of Credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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  Cash Flow Crunch? OnDeck's Small Business Line of Credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Cash Flow Crunch? OnDeck's Small Business Line of Credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.