Pod Insights Shawn Ryan Show #52 Andrew Bustamante - CIA Spy / U.S. vs China - The New Cold War | Part 2 About this episode Andrew Bustamante is back in Part Two of this two-part series to discuss the "sleeping dragon," China. Bustamante tells us how a 5,000 year old country like China moves slowly and quietly with little known initiatives like the "Belt Way," and how he believes a move to take Taiwan is an imminent threat.
We dive deep into the recent Spy Balloon phenomenon over US airspace and growing Chinese influence and capability across the globe through social media and shadow propaganda. We wrap up with a realistic look at the severity of different types of threats like EMPs and China's financial stakes on land and resource here at home.
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0:00 Speaker 00 Mr. President, my company told me of the explosion on our rig.
0:03 Speaker 01 On October 2nd.
0:04 Speaker 00 Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me.
0:09 Speaker 01 Tom Cruise is.
0:10 Speaker 02 Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up.
0:14 Speaker 01 From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.
0:16 Speaker 03 What would happen if I stopped moving? You stall, you freeze in there, that's what.
0:20 Speaker 01 With great power comes great deniability.
0:24 Speaker 03 I'm not the first then.
0:25 Speaker 01 Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not admitted without parent.
0:30 Shawn Ryan? Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the two-part series. Last week, we talked all about the Russia-Ukraine conflict and how the United States is so heavily involved in that and why. This week, we cover one of the most terrifying topics, I think, of today. And that is the China threat. We're gonna go over all the things that they have their hands in, how they may or may not be controlling the United States and the rest of the globe,
1:00 Shawn Ryan? and what it looks like if these certain scenarios play out. Extremely informative, very, very factual. We brought in the resident expert on the topic, Andrew Bustamante. The guy is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to China. I think you guys are really gonna enjoy this. Ladies and gentlemen, let's get to the show. Please like, comment, subscribe. Go over to Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Leave us a review. Tell us how we're doing. And if you get anything out of these shows, anything at all, share it. Share it with everyone you know. This is real stuff. It's very important. I think everybody needs to be educated on this topic. It becomes more and more of a threat every day. All right.
1:46 Shawn Ryan? With that being said, let's keep it positive. I love you all. Thank you for being here and enjoy the show. Cheers.
1:55 Shawn Ryan? Previously on The Sean Ryan Show. What is it about you that you think they found interesting?
2:01 Speaker 06 I think they knew that I was an Air Force Academy graduate. From the time that I turned 17, my entire life has been in service to the federal government.
2:10 Shawn Ryan? Conflict seems to be all around us these days.
2:15 Speaker 06 The real reason the United States is involved in Ukraine is because as long as we keep a proxy war happening in a third world country like Ukraine, we're wasting Russian resources. If the war in Ukraine ends, Russia starts to rebuild in concert with China, and now we have two enemies.
2:36 Speaker 06 And as we waste and deplete Russian resources, we only have to compete against one other country in the world: China.
2:48 Speaker 06 In the United States, we might be like, Russia's destroyed, that's awesome. Paris took a bomb, that sucks. Americans are still safe, high five. Right? That's how we think here. That's how we have to think here. If we're really thinking about a world that is led by the United States as their economic superpower, that's how we think.
3:08 Shawn Ryan? I'm gonna split this into a two-part series. Let's take a break, and then when we come back, we'll pick up on China.
3:22 Shawn Ryan? All right, Andrew, we're back from the break, and we're getting into China. So, we have a ton to cover with China. So, I'm just gonna kick it off. I don't even know where to start.
3:37 Speaker 06 I know, that's how it feels, right?
3:38 Shawn Ryan? Right.
3:38 Speaker 06 That's exactly how it feels.
3:40 Shawn Ryan? But it seems like China's goal is global domination, or at least they want to become the next superpower, the new, the next global superpower. I think a good place to start is recently in the news. It's been everywhere. Have you heard this? "Lab leak most likely caused pandemic," Energy Department says. That's from the New York Times.
4:05 Speaker 06 Yeah, no, you're, I mean, the, this is a fantastic example of...
4:13 Speaker 06 It's a fantastic example of how bad the government is sometimes at doing their own job.
4:19 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
4:20 Speaker 06 Right? So the Department of Energy basically ran a study and then they weren't careful enough in the use of their terminology. And then this, this, a line out of place essentially turns into this gigantic media frenzy that is essentially trying to say that the government is confirming that coronavirus came from a lab in China.
4:44 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
4:46 Speaker 06 So this exact, I mean, I think this is a fantastic place to start because multiple government agencies have looked into this and have reviewed the findings that the Department of Energy used to make their statement. And they've all confirmed that there is not enough evidence to be able to refute or deny that coronavirus is either natural or manmade from a lab. But Department of Energy did their own thing, right? Didn't properly, but it didn't properly communicate it. So we've got this open question now about, is the government trying to hide something? Can we say that it was developed in a lab? Whatever else it might be. It's important to me because there's a lot of, rightfully so, there's a
5:30 Speaker 06 lot of very concerned and upset people about COVID, about coronavirus or the novel coronavirus that became COVID-19's, you know, causing factor. And it's been, it's been a core facet of our lives, whether we like it or not, for the better part of, what, 45 months, I think? Like, it's a long time.
5:52 Shawn Ryan? It's been a long time. Real quick, before we dive into this, because I want to, I want to hit coronavirus.
5:58 Speaker 06 For sure.
5:58 Shawn Ryan? So this is, we've been talking about, I've talked about it, you've talked about it, I've heard it on interviews, how the media is essentially just a bunch of bullshit nowadays. And so here, this is just one article that I pulled up. I pulled up New York Times. And like I said, the headline is "Lab Leak Most Likely Caused Pandemic," Energy Department says. And if we read here... New intelligence has prompted the Energy Department to conclude that an accidental laboratory leak in China most likely caused the coronavirus pandemic through US spy agencies remained divided over the origins of the virus, American officials said on Sunday.
6:40 Shawn Ryan? The conclusion was a change from the department's earlier position that it was undecided on how the virus emerged. Then this is where it gets interesting. Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was a relatively weak, or I'm sorry, said that it was relatively weak and that the Energy Department's conclusion was made with low confidence, suggesting its level of certainty was not high. While the department shared the information with other agencies, none of them changed their conclusion, officials said. So, I'm not going to read the entire article, but that just goes to show you that you can't just read the headlines.
7:19 Speaker 06 Exactly right, especially not when it comes to intelligence or anything based on intelligence. So you heard a couple of words in there, right? We heard the word likely, and then we heard the word confidence. There's a grid. When professional intelligence agencies collect intelligence, they have to run that intelligence through a grid, like a vetting process, so that when they communicate to somebody else, they can communicate using the same terminology. So if you're NSA, I'm CIA, somebody else is DIA, we all have our own language inside our departments. I mean, you know as well as I do, the military has its own language, CIA has its own language. You can't, it's really hard for two people from different agencies to have a straightforward conversation.
8:03 Speaker 06 So when you talk about intelligence, they create tools so that we can communicate in common terms. Likeliness and confidence are two of those terms that are pretty well structured so that all the different agencies can communicate transparently with each other. Problem is, it only works with each other. It doesn't work with the media. So, likeliness has to do with how probable something is. Confidence has to do with the way you vetted the information itself. So something can be high likely, like highly likely, and high confidence. That means it's a high probability, and we have strong faith in the information.
8:46 Speaker 06 Something can also be very likely, but we have low confidence in the information. Right? So it means we do believe that there's a high probability this is what happened. But the information that we have to support that conclusion is very weak. We can also have situations where something is not likely and we have high confidence in the information.
9:07 Shawn Ryan? Uh huh.
9:07 Speaker 06 Right? And all that changes the probabilities. So when agencies speak to each other, which is what you were just reading, right? Uh, DOE was talking to other intelligence agencies and they're all divided because some say that it had high likelihood and some say that it was low confidence. That's, that's them speaking a language that the average person doesn't understand. And then you throw in the New York Times, they just want to get you to click on the headline.
9:30 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
9:31 Speaker 06 And then the conclusion is, the conclusion is bogus. The conclusion on the headline isn't actually supported by the context of the article.
9:39 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
9:40 Speaker 06 How is that legal?
9:41 Shawn Ryan? I know, right? It's, it's, people need to get over the fact that they're just, they're just reading bumper stickers.
9:48 Speaker 06 All the time.
9:49 Shawn Ryan? That's all it is.
9:50 Speaker 06 That's a fantastic way of putting it.
9:51 Shawn Ryan? You know, but back to China.
9:53 Speaker 06 Hmm.
9:56 Shawn Ryan? What are your thoughts? Was it in a lab?
9:59 Speaker 06 So.
10:00 Shawn Ryan? Was this an act of war?
10:02 Speaker 06 I will say no, I do not think it was an act of war.
10:05 Shawn Ryan? Good.
10:07 Speaker 06 Yeah, very good, right? My understanding from my own education and my own experience with the Chinese is that culturally, the Chinese are completely different than Americans, right? Americans and Chinese alike, we, we think like our culture. It, it, it doesn't matter whether you're gender specific, whether you're gender neutral, whether you're old, young, educated, uneducated, doesn't matter the color of your skin. Americans think like Americans. We think through a lens of capitalism and opportunity and equality and fairness and freedom. We all think through that, we just might disagree on exactly what it looks like. Chinese people also all think through a Chinese lens.
10:51 Speaker 06 And part of that Chinese lens is a 5,000 year history of being Chinese. A big part of that lens is bringing honor to your family name. Being the person who protects the honor that your parents and your grandparents and your great grandparents have put into protecting your family name and not being the one to ruin it. Right? In the United States, we love change. I love the fact that I am changing the future of my last name. That's not the same to a Chinese person. They, in many ways, if they're gonna change, if they're gonna take a risk to change their family heritage, they're also risking failing. And if they fail their endeavor, it's gonna bring dishonor to their family name. So they're a completely different mindset than Americans, right?
11:37 Speaker 06 Another part of that Chinese lens is this idea that China, in Chinese, the word for China is Zhongguo, which means the center kingdom.
11:49 Speaker 06 So, everything the Chinese do, everything the Politburo does, everything senior Chinese officials think of is all through this lens of China being the center kingdom. It doesn't mean they have to be, it doesn't mean they have to be rulers of the world, but they do have to be the biggest kingdom. So, superpower, the modern day superpower idea, fits them culturally very, very well. There can be other powers, but they are the most powerful. Right? There can be other countries, but they're in the center of everything. When you think about how they set up their model of of supply chain management,
12:33 Speaker 06 when you think about how they've consolidated rare earth minerals and you think about how they've consolidated intellectual property from all over Europe and Latin America and the United States, you can see they centralize everything. It's called the central party. Like, they centralize. They wanna put themselves at the center of the hub and spoke. That's very different than the United States, right? We wanna be the thing that breaks the wheel. So culturally, they have this need to this predisposition to being the center of it all, being the the most powerful, but not the world police. They don't want everybody to be a communist party. We want every other country to be a democracy. That's failed us, I don't know how many times. How many Gulf wars did we go through because we couldn't make that happen?
13:18 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
13:19 Speaker 06 They don't want everybody to be a communist country, but they do want to be the most powerful country and be communist themselves.
13:26 Shawn Ryan? Why do you think? I love everything you just said, but it doesn't answer my question. Why do you think that? What makes you believe that the coronavirus was not released? And was not an act of war? With everything else that they have going on, I'm just gonna run through some stuff. These are all categories I want to talk about, but you know, to me, on top of all this stuff, I'll get to it. So, I mean, they own the supply chain. Then there's the fentanyl crisis. They're aiding the cartels with the fentanyl crisis. They're buying up our farmland. They're influencing our politicians. They're influencing big tech. Then we have the TikTok debacle. We have the spy balloons that have been flying over the US. We got the propaganda war.
14:11 Shawn Ryan? They're trying to take Taiwan. They're settling Africa. They were there to negotiate with Afghanistan before we ever even pulled out. Then there's the lab leak supposedly. So it seems like, and I'm sure there's more than I'm not thinking of, but with all these things happening, there's the race to AI, which he's already said, the person that wins the race to AI is gonna achieve global domination. With with all these things that they have in place and and and they're winning on, how do, why, what makes you think that the coronavirus was not an act of war? On top of that, why?
14:56 Shawn Ryan? They were never held accountable, ever, by anybody in the world. It was like, it was like the Chinese just got a free pass and they just. I mean, the world is a complete disaster right now.
15:12 Speaker 06 Yeah, no, I get it. So I would say there's, there's three reasons I don't think it was an act of war. The first is that China, their strategic MO is to do things quietly, not to do things loud and noisy. Coronavirus, the way it happened, was loud and noisy. It broke out in their country first, and then they tried to get it under control. And they were, I mean, the world knew there was a virus in China that they were trying to control. That's not quiet, right? Everything else on that list, from hypersonic missiles to the AI war, to caught, to, to growing infrastructure in Africa, that's all quiet. You have to look to find that. You didn't have to look to find out about the coronavirus
15:56 Speaker 06 outbreak. The second reason I don't think it was an intentional act of war is because where did swine flu come from? China. Where did bird flu come from? China. China has a history of unsanitary experimental conditions where novel natural viruses are born and spread. And I, I don't mean this is a 50-year history. I mean, this is like a 15-year history. Bird flu, swine flu, coronavirus, which was another, coronavirus is a type of flu virus, right? These were all novel viruses originating in China that spread around the world. China was never held accountable for any of them, but at the same time, it's
16:39 Speaker 06 a pattern of behavior, right? It's a pattern that shows disgusting unsanitary conditions. If you've ever gotten a chance to see, even just a Chinese restaurant in China, it's filthy. Like, they do not have the health and sanitation standards we have in the United States. They don't have to. Their population is different, their culture is different, everything's different. So it's a, it's a Petri dish for disgusting things to happen and for, for new natural evolutions of viruses to take place. So because of that track record, coronavirus behaved exactly the same way as the other viruses, a breakout in China that spread throughout the world. And then the third reason that I don't believe it was an act of war is because China,
17:24 Speaker 06 China will pull the trigger when they want something. But they pull that trigger at a strategically beneficial point, like they did in Hong Kong. Right? When they took Hong Kong, China took Hong Kong in weeks. They pulled the trigger when everything was lined up and everything was ready. They made a decisive action and they they took it and the world had nothing to say about it. Right? When China moves on Taiwan, and I I fully expect China will move on Taiwan before we've identified our next president. Right? I I hundred percent agree with that. They will make that move. It will be decisive. It will be fast. It will be backed by multiple secondary and tertiary support efforts.
18:09 Speaker 06 It will not be a debacle like COVID was. These are all the reasons why I don't believe it was an act of war. Could they have been developing biological antigens, biological weapons or biological defense? They could have been, possibly. Everything's a possibility, right? I would even say that that could be pot like that could be in the place of like forty to seventy percent probable. But we don't have any information to support that. Maybe it's out there and we just haven't seen it. But but for me, when I take a look at all the all the data that I do have, I I see the history of swine flu, bird flu. I see the history of how they operate in Hong Kong.
18:49 Speaker 06 And I see I see the fact that that coronavirus was handled like a like a frickin disaster. That does not strike me as an intentional act of war. Why do you think there was no repercussions? So my guess is that the reason that we haven't seen repercussions is because of what happened when it hit the democratic world.
19:10 Speaker 06 You can't. Let's just look at the United States. It's easy for us to remember the United States. It first hit the United States when Donald Trump was president. And Trump made a big deal out of saying it's we don't know what it is. It's a virus. Don't panic. Right? It was "Don't panic, don't panic, don't panic." As liberal media and the opposite viewpoint to the Republican Party was panicking, counting. Once you start counting sick people and counting beds and counting dead, it didn't, it didn't serve us in Vietnam. It didn't serve us in Afghanistan or Iraq. Why would we think it's going to serve us during the coronavirus outbreak? Right? So now everybody's worried about numbers without having any context for those numbers, without actually doing the deep research.
19:51 Speaker 06 If you remember how many bad medical journal articles came out? How much the, the, what was it? The, uh, it was like the, the American Center for Disease Control. The CDC came out and said early on that there's no evidence that coronavirus can spread from human to human. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah, I remember. They made a friggin meme out of it with like a little boy on his grandpa's shoulders or some garbage. They were so wrong. So with, in the middle of all this, then we have a, an election year and a change in president. And then the, once coronavirus was deemed not a superbug, then it became a political issue.
20:35 Speaker 06 Once it became a political issue, somebody had to, had to run on a platform about coronavirus. Biden won. He had to do something about coronavirus because he had just won on that platform. So he pours money into vaccines and he pours, and he forces vaccine among government employees. And we all know what happened from there.
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21:21 Speaker 00 Mr. President, my company formed me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.
21:32 Speaker 02 Digger got us into this mess and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and the Revenant.
21:38 Speaker 03 What would happen if I stopped going? You start, you freeze to death, that's what?
21:42 Speaker 01 With great power comes great deniability.
21:45 Speaker 03 I'm not the first nanny.
21:46 Speaker 01 Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R, under 17, not a middle without parent.
21:52 Speaker 06 Essentially, the United States government got behind the idea that coronavirus was a major issue. And every other first world country followed our lead. There's no walking that back. There's no, you can't fund research for a vaccination on short notice. You can't, you can't create policy around a virus that you then later on say, my mistake, you guys. It really wasn't as bad as we thought it was gonna be. We have a pretty solid plan to take care of the high-risk individuals. Maybe we shouldn't have put so much money into a race for a vaccine. Maybe we did some things wrong. The government can't say that. They can't admit their mistakes.
22:34 Speaker 06 But what they can do is try to push to focus us, the American public, on something else. That's why I think they were never held accountable. Because if the United States government was to say, China, you, your bad health practices made this happen, that just opens the door to China being like, well, your bad decision about these health practices made it into something that it wasn't. Right? Did we, did our labs potentially leak a virus? Yes.
23:04 Shawn Ryan? Well, if you rewind, if you do rewind, China had an overreaction. If we had an overreaction, then they definitely had an overreaction because they were welding apartment doors shut. You know what I mean? And they were, I mean, arresting people, had people in mop suits, they had, they were disinfecting factories. And so, and so, as severe as the response was here in the US, it was more severe there. So I don't, how could they claim that?
23:37 Speaker 06 The difference is, nobody followed China. China did what China did. Nobody took action until we took action. After the United States started, started locking people up and, or locking people, locking up businesses and forcing people to work from home and shutting down travel, after that, that's when you saw everybody else start to take, start to really apply the policies. I remember, I was, I was in the Middle East at the time, I was in the UAE at the time. Things went crazy in China and the UAE was undecided how it was going to respond. Lots of Chinese were coming to and from Dubai and to and from Abu Dhabi, but you know, the Emirates didn't want to shut down all of their economy until they knew something was significant, right? Plus, they have a very small population and a really high level of medical technicians.
24:21 Speaker 06 So they didn't run into the risk, the over-saturation of hospitals like we had in the United States. But once the US president made an issue out of it, then the Emiratis made an issue out of it. And that's how things kind of tumbled. So China, you're right, China overreacted by our standards, but they reacted in exactly the way you would expect a surveillance police state, you know, to behave. Welding people into buildings and doing other inhumane things.
24:49 Shawn Ryan? Yeah, and then, you know, on top of that, one of your responses when I asked, why don't you think this was an act of war is because they released on their own people. But we know they don't treat their people like we treat our people. They have slavery still. Your shoes are probably made from it. Our phones are made from, everything's made from it, you know? And, and, and they have an overpopulation problem. So if, I don't think it would be
25:21 Shawn Ryan? out of the realm to say, maybe this was some type of a population control thing for China? Or maybe they, maybe they did release it, you know, upon the world to create everything that happened?
25:35 Speaker 06 I mean, you're, again, considering that everything is a possibility, it becomes a question of probability.
25:44 Speaker 06 The, in my, in my estimate of China, they don't often make moves that, that have more loss than benefit. And they've lost significantly since COVID came out. We all got smart to their role in supply chain management or supply chain control. We all got smart to their, their lack of human rights, their control of movement. I mean, those are human rights abuses, right? They could have done that for decades, both of those, for decades, without us ever even noticing it.
26:18 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
26:18 Speaker 06 Coronavirus, it pulled the veil back.
26:23 Speaker 06 Not to mention the fact that then, after the United States laid off of COVID policy in Europe, started pulling back COVID policy, the Chinese continued a very strict zero tolerance policy. Why would they do that? Right? There's, is there the potential that they were trying to essentially kill off their older generation and kill off their weaker, sicker generation? Because we know it targets immunocompromised individuals. Of course, there's a possibility, but probability wise, they lost much more coming out of COVID than they gained. That doesn't strike me as a calculated intentional move.
26:59 Shawn Ryan? Okay. I mean, it's just, you know, it's just, it's hard for me to believe it wasn't when, when all these other things, you know what I mean, lead to, lead to their end game, their goal.
27:12 Speaker 06 So I don't think that, I, I, I think you're dead on about their end game. I think you're dead on about all of the multifaceted things that China's doing, for sure. The only place where I'm divergent is in thinking that COVID was intentional. For all we know, it was a biological weapon that they were planning to release when they executed their end game. Perhaps that's true. We don't know. All I'm saying is that I have a, I am feeling like the higher probability reason that my, I am saying that the, it is low probability that they intentionally released it in 2019 in Wuhan among their own people for some strategic benefit. I feel like that was a mistake.
27:56 Speaker 06 Either a mistake that happened naturally, or a mistake that was fabricated in the lab, it was still a mistake. That's all I'm saying, because all this stuff is legit.
28:02 Shawn Ryan? Okay. Well, where would you like to start? Well, now that we've covered COVID, because there's so many, there are so many different areas. Where do you want to start? Or I can pick.
28:15 Speaker 06 Man, let's start with whatever you think is most interesting.
28:18 Shawn Ryan? Well, let's start with, let's start with all of the...
28:25 Shawn Ryan? Areas of the world where they're pumping influence into like Africa. They're building massive, massive infrastructure in Africa. These, we're not talking, you know, little bitty Chinese villages. We're talking four lane highways, skyscrapers, and, and putting all that infrastructure in place to, for the, for all of the natural resources that are going on there. Then we have, they're taking the lithium mines in Mexico. They're buying the lithium mines in Afghanistan and...
28:56 Speaker 06 So what you're talking about, and this is a great place to start. What you're talking about is something that's known as the Belt and Road Initiative, the BRI. Right? The Belt and Road Initiative was something that Xi Jinping put in motion back in, I think, 2017, possibly somewhere around there. And it's the idea that you can basically build a belt, a supply chain and resource belt all the way around the world, just like the old Silk Road, that puts China at the center of it all. So now China can export along that entire BR, that whole Belt Road, and they can also import along that whole Belt Road, with the idea being that they'll import raw materials and export finished products. That's the BRI. It's also, has a secondary benefit.
29:40 Speaker 06 On top of an economic benefit to China, it has a secondary benefit where it's a chance for China to build what's known as soft power or influence, soft power in these third world countries. That's why the Belt and Road Initiative is almost all poor, poverty-stricken, corrupt, third world countries. Because China's an autocracy, not a democracy, they don't need approval to do business with anybody. They don't need a, a majority vote in Congress before they seal a deal with a warlord in Niger. They don't need it. They just go into Niger and they, they sign a deal. Boom, good to go. Representative of the government, done. 15 minutes and we've got a deal in Africa or Southeast Asia.
30:24 Speaker 06 So that's been their strategy. They want that influence because what they're actually doing is they're leasing for long periods of time access to the mineral and the locations that they're building. So they go in, build an airport, build a road, build water, build everything. They take Chinese employees in to give those Chinese employees jobs. They work, they create all this infrastructure, and the local country signs a lease that says the Chinese government can use this for their own purposes. So now China just built 10 military bases all around the globe. They just call them airports until the time comes that China calls in the favor on their lease and says, hey, we're going to move military transports and military troops. And is the country going to push back? No, because the country is poor and poverty stricken.
31:09 Speaker 06 It has no standing military. It needs the Chinese dollars. It has no relationship with the United States because what does the United States do to any corrupt country out there? Stiff arm. And it doesn't have any relationship with Europe. Why? Because Europe does the same thing, because that's what the United States says. You can't do business with countries that have human rights abuses, corruption, or whatever else, right? So all these countries are being ignored. China can go in for a song and get their support.
31:34 Shawn Ryan? I mean, why are we changing policy? So they just, they win in so many ways. They win in so many ways. They're, I mean, they're going to own our power grid.
31:48 Speaker 06 Yeah.
31:49 Shawn Ryan? You know, I mean, there's this huge, you know, green initiative happening right now in Europe and the US. We've get, one, they're getting all these strategic points all over the world. They're settling, you know, all the places that I mentioned. Then, on top of that, they're, they're gonna, they're gonna be the sole provider of these batteries that power all the solar equipment for the green energy.
32:16 Speaker 06 Yeah.
32:17 Shawn Ryan? So.
32:18 Speaker 06 That's how the Chinese move. A 5,000-year-old country moves slow.
32:22 Speaker 06 Right? They move slow and then by the time you realize you're part of the mudslide, it's too late.
32:27 Shawn Ryan? Well, how, how, why are we not shifting focus here? I mean, if we have this big green initiative, why the hell are we allowing China to take all of the lithium mines to make all of the batteries, all of the panels, all of the wind turbines, or all, everything is coming from China?
32:46 Speaker 06 So this is...
32:48 Shawn Ryan? So we, we aren't energy independent.
32:50 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
32:50 Shawn Ryan? We're dependent on our enemy.
32:54 Speaker 06 Correct.
32:54 Shawn Ryan? Which would be, which is asinine. You hear all these people that are, and they're right, you know?
33:02 Shawn Ryan? They go back and they talk about how Trump basically had told the German chancellor, "Hey, you might want to get your natural gas from somewhere besides Russia. That's your enemy." Now we're doing, we, we sit there and we, we criticize Europe for getting their, their energy from Russia, and then we do the exact same thing and get our energy from China.
33:25 Shawn Ryan? How, how is this getting dropped? Or is it on purpose?
33:28 Speaker 06 No. So, there's hypocrisy, absolutely. This is, this is the teapot calling the kettle black, or whatever version of hypocrisy you want to, right? For sure, that's happening.
33:40 Speaker 06 The other thing to keep in mind is, we're a democracy, so we move at the speed of bureaucracy. If you recall, under Obama, Obama in his second term coined something known as the Asia pivot. Right? Where he pivoted, he started working to pivot through policy, all of our attention away from counterterrorism and into China. Right? He just called it the Asia pivot. We need to focus strategically on winning hearts and minds in Southeast Asia
34:10 Speaker 06 because China's our next big threat. And we've lost track of that threat as we've been chasing down terrorism. We used to have close relationships with the Philippines and Malaysia and Thailand and Cambodia and Vietnam. We used to be part of ASEAN, that network of countries. Well, then, we focused on the Middle East. China swooped in and replaced us in their severe influence in Asia. So Obama started trying to move the ship in that direction. But then, like we were talking about earlier, we became a very polarized country. So if you wanted to focus on China, but you also wanted to be elected on a conservative platform, you couldn't agree with Obama.
34:54 Speaker 06 You had to disagree with Obama. Because the only way that you were going to get the conservative vote is if you took a hard-line stance against everything that Obama stood for. So then we lost that China threat. Not you and I, the frickin' congressmen and senators that were trying to get elected. They dropped the ball on the strategic threat in order to gain the short-term victory. And then every two years or every six years, they have to go up for reelection. And then Trump comes into office, and guess what? You can't be a liberal and support any Trump policy. We just became frickin', like...
35:27 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
35:27 Speaker 06 It's just insane. It's insane how divided we've let ourselves become. And in those cracks in between, we're losing track of the common long-term threats to the United States. Because we're too busy bitching about green energy and melting polar ice caps and, you know, and Medicare for old people. We're completely losing the fact that China is the biggest threat that's posed to your and my children, right? My parents on Medicaid and Medicare, they can take care of themselves. But what about, someone needs to protect the next generation. We've lost, we've lost track of that.
36:02 Shawn Ryan? I'm really worried about the next generation.
36:07 Shawn Ryan? What about the fentanyl stuff? I mean, that's another, I mean, they just have so many angles. It seems, I can't think of anything left. I mean, they're just hitting us from every direction. And so with the fentanyl stuff, they're shipping all the supplies into Mexico to make the fentanyl to these cartels. Not only are they doing that, they're sending in chemists to teach the cartels how to make the world's most potent fentanyl. Now they're already teaching these guys what the next drug is. So we went through heroin, now we're in fentanyl. And now they're, now they're teaching the cartels how to make the next, the next most deadliest drug, which is gonna, which is gonna be worse than fentanyl, if he can even believe that.
36:51 Speaker 06 Yeah, right? So this is one of those areas where, where it's important to understand that, that autocracies, autocratic nations, Russia, Iran, China, anything's possible based on who you know. So organized crime, organized crime in an autocracy looks very different than organized crime in a democracy. Because organized crime in a democracy has to learn to operate under multiple layers of police enforcement. Municipal police, district police, state police, federal police, right? All these different layers they have to operate under. So they have to, they generally can't do big operations and they generally don't get
37:35 Speaker 06 to move large amounts of money because it's very hard. In an autocracy, they don't have multiple layers of police force. They basically have one, one main police chief or one main police governing agent who's in charge of multiple precincts. So they just have to have that one person on the payroll or they just have to be an old friend from school or they just have to have, you know, some way of basically bypassing that one level of police enforcement. And then, once they've got that, they can do pretty much anything they want. They can move large quantities of goods. They can, they can deal with large quantities of money.
38:17 Speaker 06 And they can do it all because it's essentially sanctioned by the state because of the corruption that exists because of the way that the Communist Party is, the autocratic party is organized. Oligarchs, governors, commissioners, that kind of thing. So. The fact that there is, or maybe Chinese scientists and Chinese individuals supporting the drug trade in South America doesn't necessarily mean that the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP, is enabling that to happen, or encouraging or directing that that happens, as much as it could just mean that an organized crime syndicate is able to manage that level of operation because they don't have to go through a democracy to get there.
39:00 Shawn Ryan? Do you think it's an organized crime entity?
39:02 Speaker 06 I would imagine that that is more... It makes... I feel like it's higher probability that that's a criminal effort than an organized state effort. If it was an organized state effort, I wouldn't see them doing it with Chinese people in South America. I would see a cutout nation in between, right? They would have Chinese scientists working with Cambodians, or Chinese scientists working with Mali, right? To pass the knowledge through a third location so that by the time they actually get close to the United States, we're not looking at Chinese scientists, we're looking at scientists of some other nationality, right? It's a cutout, like a shell,
39:44 Speaker 06 to protect and give plausible deniability to the Chinese. If it was federally... If it was nationally sanctioned or sanctioned by the government, that's how they would go through hiding their hand. That's what I would do, again. If I was... If you or I was gonna run an underground criminal network, we would put layers in place to protect our involvement. That's just how mature operations work. Everything happening here does not sound like a mature operation. It sounds criminal.
40:11 Shawn Ryan? Interesting. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to believe at this point, you know? It's... Everything happens... It seems like nowadays, everything just happens right in broad daylight.
40:23 Speaker 06 It does.
40:23 Shawn Ryan? Nobody's hiding anything anymore. It's just right out in the open.
40:27 Speaker 06 And it frustrates me because...
40:31 Speaker 06 Things have always happened, but we used to be able to count on certain professions to give us vetted information. Journalistic information was supposed to be one of those areas that we could rely on. But the journalist, the professional journalistic practice has almost all but died right now. So the articles that you and I read on a day-to-day basis, they aren't written by journalists. They might be written by individuals who went to school for journalism, but they're not being written by individuals who have had the time to apply journalistic principles to the story that they're writing.
41:03 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
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41:42 Speaker 00 Mr. President, my company told me of the explosion on our rig.
41:45 Speaker 01 On October 2nd.
41:46 Speaker 00 Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me.
41:51 Speaker 01 Tom Cruise is.
41:53 Speaker 02 Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us out.
41:56 Speaker 01 From the director of Birdman and the Ravennant.
41:59 Speaker 03 What would happen if I stopped drilling? You stop, you freeze in there, that's what...
42:03 Speaker 01 With great power comes great deniability.
42:06 Speaker 03 I'm not the first nanny.
42:07 Speaker 01 Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not a minute without parent.
42:13 Speaker 06 That's what we're looking at now. So these, these headlines get spread when the content in the article doesn't even support the headline. These speculative accusations get spread and you and I don't know any better. We grew up in a house, I remember my dad saying you could trust the newspaper. You can't trust the newspaper anymore. You know what I mean? I read this awesome article recently talking about the difference between print journalism or print news media and digital news media. Meaning, print media is all news media that exists in print. It may also exist digitally, but it exists in print.
42:55 Speaker 06 And the difference between that and news that exists only in a digital format. And the article was talking about how journalistic behaviors, journalistic discipline is starting to be applied more rigorously in digital products only, vice print products only. Because if you make a mistake in a print product, you can't retract it. If you do, it makes a big public mess because the whole world knows that the Wall Street Journal has to retract that article and change it. Digital, they just update the file, right? Today it says 41 people dead. As soon as better information comes in, they update it. 11 people dead. You can't do that with print media.
43:36 Speaker 06 So as a result, there's more digital news providers, exclusively digital news providers, who are starting to actually apply proper journalistic practice because they get the best of both worlds. They get the story out fast, but they can also continue to vet the facts and update the story for two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, so that what goes on to live in permanent record is finished, accurate journalistic content.
44:01 Shawn Ryan? Okay. What about all the influence coming into this country? All the farmland that they're buying, all of the residential that they're buying? I mean...
44:16 Shawn Ryan? From what I know, I mean, look at California. There is a, there is a massive migration coming out of California into, into red states. Tennessee being one of them, Texas, Florida. You're seeing this massive migration of Californians moving out of the state. Now, the funny thing is, with the amount of Californians leaving that state, you would think their real estate prices would plummet. But they're not. Because the Chinese and BlackRock are buying up all of the residential. And, and, and on top of that, they're buying, are they, I, I don't know this to be fact, but,
45:03 Shawn Ryan? and maybe you do. Do they own more farmland in the US than any, than any one person or business entity?
45:11 Speaker 06 I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. So, what's, my understanding of what's happening when it comes to property ownership in the United States, specifically, property rights that are in our country but belong to foreign nationals from China. This is a situation where they understand our legal system better than we do. We built our real estate structure in the 1950s on the idea that there was only one superpower, only one country wealthy enough to be able to own property in the United States. And that was us. And then as the 1970s came and oil was discovered in the Middle East
45:56 Speaker 06 and oil was discovered in Latin America and a few drug kingpins became, you know, uber wealthy. People, other foreign nationals started realizing that they could take advantage of the same US tax code to shelter their money. So, property has always been something that the wealthy have been able to use to tax protect their assets. But now, instead of only Americans being able to buy American property, our law made it so that foreign nationals could also buy our property. And it makes sense, because for a foreign national to buy an American property, they bring their being outside money into the US economy. We want that. And then the United States always has the right to basically
46:41 Speaker 06 take eminent domain or some other, you know, policy or government structure to pull back the property and make it ours and take ownership away from a foreign national. So we've always had that that kind of clause where we could just take it back if we wanted to and keep their money. We don't want to do that because then people are going to stop investing. But as long as people are investing, if they have the money, let them bring their money into our economy. That was all well and good when the United States was the most significant superpower in the world. Well, then, enter 2000s, and now you've got China and their growing middle class, their center of manufacturing. They're not pouring money into the military industrial complex to fight the global war on terror like we were. Instead, they can just develop new technology.
47:23 Speaker 06 The birth of Huawei, the birth of cellular technology advancements in China and, you know, the multitude of of technologies that they're stealing from Europe and Latin America and making a fortune off of, right? Not to mention all their shipping money and everything else. Now, you've got all these wealthy Chinese people. They are not going to buy property in China because they already know they won't own it. The Chinese party will own it. They could lose it at any time. So the safer option for their investment is to actually buy property in the United States, where there's some sort of legal protection of the investment and the United States is naturally incentivized not to take that property back from them. Because to do that would be to essentially forfeit all foreign investors in investing in property in the United States.
48:08 Speaker 06 We didn't anticipate that happening, and we couldn't change policy fast enough to stop it from happening because what was happening from 2000 to 2020? The biggest economic boon for the United States that we had seen in like 50 years. Like, it was, there's, the kind of, the running saying is that it was impossible not to make money in the United States between like 2005 and 2019. That so significant was our economic boon cycle that you could throw money at a wall and you would get a return on investment. So we, we just, we, we got caught. We got caught with our pants down. Somebody used our policy against us. And now huge tracts of farmland and industrial properties.
48:52 Speaker 06 I mean, it's not just industrial properties. Man, there, there are mineral mines on US soil that are majoritively owned and controlled by Chinese companies. Think about that.
49:04 Shawn Ryan? It doesn't surprise me. I mean, I read somewhere that
49:08 Shawn Ryan? the Chinese own the power plant that powers the biggest military base in Texas.
49:16 Speaker 06 Through a shell company of a shell company of a shell company. Again, we, we taught them how to do that. That's American business practice. In, in the United States, you can open a business and your business is seen in the eyes of the law as a person. It has rights and protections like a person. We created that. They just take advantage of it.
49:40 Shawn Ryan? I mean, don't.
49:42 Shawn Ryan? I also read that one of the only loans that Chinese can apply for is real estate loans to buy property here in the US. So while you say it's individuals,
50:01 Shawn Ryan? China's obviously influencing its population to invest their money here in the United States. And then we go to Chinese law, which I'm not familiar with, but what, I mean, if they can just pull a business like that, you know, couldn't they just pull somebody's property that was owned in a foreign country? Just like that?
50:22 Speaker 06 It's, it's harder to cross international lines like that. That's, that's true. But the other thing is, we're not talking about normal Chinese, right? The, the normal, the average.
50:34 Speaker 06 The average annual income in the United States is like $45,000 a year. The average annual income inside China is like $21,000 a year. So there are, by American standards especially, there are just tons of poverty-stricken Chinese. So in order to be a Chinese person that could actually afford to qualify for a real estate loan by American standards in the United States, you'd have to be a very wealthy Chinese person to even be able to do that. So it's not like they're incentivizing or encouraging their general population to buy property here. Instead, it's a wealthy sub-component or wealthy sub-sector of Chinese business people and elites
51:16 Speaker 06 that want to make a wise investment of their capital, their excess capital. So they put it into a US property. And they put it into a US bank and they put it into a US loan, which generates interest for Americans and boosts the American economy, right? We have to come to terms as a country with accepting that we are an economy-first capitalist country. And that's a good thing. I like that we're a capitalist country. I like that we put money first. I like that we drive economy as a core value. I like that. That's what we should do. But we should also have like a bubble of protection around that,
51:59 Speaker 06 where we can limit it to just American citizens. We can limit it to just individuals vetted by certain government departments as viable candidates to take a loan from a US bank. We don't have to have the frickin' doors wide open to God and everybody and have, you know, drug kingpins and human smugglers and oligarchs from Russia. We don't need to just let everybody buy our property. We can insulate ourselves. We just never took the steps to do it before, partly because we don't grow very fast. We're, I mean, you were military, I'm military. There's a certain element in military where we call ourselves too dumb to quit. I'm sure you've heard that before. The United States is so punch drunk on wealth.
52:44 Speaker 06 We're kind of too dumb to quit. It takes a little bit of time, a little bit of reflection, a little bit of work for us to go back, review and change our policies. And oh, absolutely, we'd have to shake hands across, you know, across the aisles in the Senate and the House to be able to agree to make some changes. China's gambling on the fact that we're too dumb to ever change our policies. We'll be too busy arguing with each other over the next president, the next, who controls the next House. Well, do you think they're influencing the division? Oh, for sure, but it's not just them. I mean, think about every election in the world that we try to influence. Every one of those countries is going to try to influence our election, too.
53:25 Speaker 06 What, I never understood why people got so upset in 2016 when there was evidence of Russian tampering in the presidential election. What the hell do people think happens in every election? There's tampering in every single election. All we saw in 2016 was that FBI got smart enough to catch the Russians doing it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen in 2012, doesn't mean it didn't happen in 2020, doesn't mean it's not going to happen in 2024. It happens every cycle and it happens every midterm and it happens at local levels, too. The Chinese, the Russians, the North Koreans, the Iranians, they are all very, very heavily
54:10 Speaker 06 invested in shaping American politics. Not shaping American politics for a specific winner, but shaping American politics so it causes chaos. It's a core fundamental belief, it's a concept, a core concept in covert influence, that influence doesn't always mean that you're influencing a specific outcome. It just means that you're influencing the process. Causing chaos and division and infighting is 100% a planned outcome of covert influence. We're seeing it every day. We just don't call it that. We, we refuse to accept the idea that maybe our vote isn't only being influenced by American decision making or even our own judgment.
54:55 Speaker 06 Maybe some of those TV ads that we're seeing, maybe some of those Facebook ads that we're seeing, maybe some of the articles that are being sponsored and put in front of us are not paid for by Americans. Yeah.
55:08 Shawn Ryan? You want to go into a little more detail on how they're influencing all this?
55:12 Speaker 06 Absolutely. So covert influence, what many people call propaganda. Propaganda, and I think we were mentioning this earlier, it's here, propaganda is kind of an unsophisticated term that's used in countries where information is controlled. So the Russians used propaganda, the Nazis used propaganda, the Chinese still have an office of propaganda. Propaganda is essentially when you block true information and you flood controlled false information, intentionally false information, what's known as disinformation.
55:50 Shawn Ryan? Do you think we do that?
55:52 Speaker 06 I think-
55:52 Shawn Ryan? In our own country, to our own people?
55:55 Speaker 06 It's different for us. We don't have the ability to make propaganda. Because we can't control the flow of accurate information. What we do have the ability to do is use the tenants of covert influence and misinformation, which is errant or wrong information, we do allow those things to take root. So, for example, let's just look at the spy balloon. That was another thing on your list.
56:22 Speaker 06 What was it, four weeks ago, a Chinese spy balloon was suspected over Montana, over Mount St. Air Force Base in Montana.
56:31 Speaker 06 Four days later, it was shot down in the Atlantic Ocean.
56:35 Speaker 06 The world went, the United States went crazy, right? A Chinese balloon with a satellite hanging from underneath it, actively spying on us in our own airspace? Like, the American public went nuts. And then, the next three things that got shot down, what did they call them?
56:56 Shawn Ryan? UAPs.
56:57 Speaker 06 Unidentified Flying Objects, UFOs, or unidentified aerial phenomenon, right? They did not want to call them balloons. Because the government realized that by calling so much attention to the fact that this first balloon was a Chinese balloon in a spy satellite, they had painted themselves into a corner. Now they had an international incident they had to manage because they gave too much information to the American public. Simply by having the same thing happen again, and it wasn't even the same thing. It wasn't, I mean, it wasn't a Chinese spy balloon at all. It was a frickin Idaho University research balloon that they shot down over the Great Lakes. Right? They, they didn't want to run the risk of calling it a balloon, even though it was
57:41 Speaker 06 reported as a spherical object or whatever they call it, right? They, they would prefer to call it a UFO. Because China spy balloon, everybody pays attention. UFO shot down, nobody really pays attention. So inside the United States, what we end up happening, what ends up happening is, is governments, government, military, federal government, you name it, administration, they pick words that are less alarmist, and that's the words that they choose to use when they brief the media at the White House. Hey, we, we found an unidentified flying object over Idaho, or whatever else it might be, right? Somebody writes that story up, all the UFO people in the world get excited.
58:24 Speaker 06 Nobody cares anymore from this China spy balloon stuff. Yeah. Right? And the US government, probably rightfully so, is assuming that the average American isn't smart enough to connect the two. Spy balloon here, UFO there, but what if that UFO is actually a balloon? So then we have two more incidents over the next week and a half. Two more balloons shot down by F-35s and F-16s. Again, balloons, but they don't call them balloons, they call them UFOs. And then what happens? Now the US, now the federal government has just said that they shot down three UFOs. Now all of a sudden it's frickin headline news again. And they're like, oh shit, we shouldn't have called them UFOs. Or at least we shouldn't have called all three of them UFOs, because now the whole world thinks that we are shooting down UFOs.
59:08 Speaker 06 We've got to back this up. Right? So the government does a very bad job of controlling the information flow, because they know they can't. It's difficult for them to do so. But they can control classified information. So they will overclassify, you've seen that I'm sure in your days at CIA and in the SEALs, in the SEAL teams, we overclassify all the time as a stopgap to making sure that we don't accidentally overshare.
59:36 Speaker 06 So that's how we handle misinformation. We make the information unavailable, knowing full well that journalists and bloggers and whoever else are going to jump onto the story without all the facts and make mistakes. If it benefits American security, national security, they have no problem with that. Sometimes, they even cede intentional information just so that they can send a message, like you saw in the beginning part of Ukraine, like you saw with all the soldier counts in Ukraine. I remember in the first three or four months, the US government was allowing, was confirming reports from Ukrainian generals about 50,000 dead Russian soldiers
1:00:20 Speaker 06 compared to 1,500 dead Ukrainian soldiers. Remember when they used to do the body counts? That was just them acknowledging information that they knew was wrong and letting the newspapers run with it anyways. That's how the federal government handles misinformation to the American public. If it benefits national security, let them eat cake.
1:00:41 Shawn Ryan? What do you think that spy balloon was?
1:00:44 Speaker 06 What do I think it was? So my suspicion is that the whole spy balloon concept is decades old. Everybody uses them, because it makes sense. A satellite, when you try to spy from a satellite, you have a very narrow window of time when the satellite is on target, right? Because the satellite is going around the Earth, and the Earth is here. So when the satellite is over where you need it to be, that's your only window to capture. And then you don't get another capture window until they come back around again. So if there's cloud cover, if it's nighttime, if there's anything wrong, they don't get the image, right? So you're blind for most of the cycles of that satellite. A balloon has a long loiter time. And it moves with predominant winds.
1:01:28 Speaker 06 So you can basically predict when a balloon is going to be in a certain part of the planet, based on predominant wind patterns, altitude, et cetera. And it will loiter there, moving at, what, 70 knots? Like, that's slow. So it'll just stay there forever, taking pictures and sending information. For sure, we use balloons. I've never seen one, I've never heard of one. It just makes technical sense. High probability, low confidence, right? We would use balloons all over the world. Because you can fly them at 70,000 feet. Nobody really cares that they're there. They don't know if it's a spy balloon, or a research balloon, or a weather balloon. They don't have a big radar cross-section. So it makes perfect sense to me that Russia's got balloons out there, Iran's got balloons
1:02:12 Speaker 06 out there, China's got balloons out there. Germany, France, the UK, Italy, they all have balloons out there. And there would be poor or little to no national or international tracking of these balloons. So, they're out there, we've always known that they're out there, but we never really saw it as an issue. Until, for whatever reason, that first Chinese spy balloon broke into American airspace, and kind of woke up the administration to say, "Hey, maybe we should think about this, maybe we should do something about this." And if you recall, it was like five or seven days before they decided to shoot it down. And then for the next three,
1:02:49 Speaker 06 they shot it down the next day.
1:02:50 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
1:02:53 Shawn Ryan? I mean, I'm sure we hit it, hopefully, with some type of a energy weapon, a EW wave, or whatever, before it came into it came into our borders, but, you know, as far as the capabilities of what was on there, I mean, do you think that it was only just imagery?
1:03:13 Speaker 06 Oh, no, no way.
1:03:14 Shawn Ryan? Because I did a little segment on this a while back, and what I realized was, these people have no idea what kind of capabilities are out there.
1:03:27 Speaker 06 Right.
1:03:27 Shawn Ryan? And they think this thing is
1:03:32 Shawn Ryan? They think this thing isn't collecting anything that Google Earth hasn't collected yet. And when I, when I saw that in the comments, I was like, oh, man.
1:03:41 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:03:42 Shawn Ryan? It's like, you know, what are they gonna get that, uh, that they can't get off Google Earth? And it's like, I just don't even.
1:03:49 Speaker 06 That's exactly what they want you to think.
1:03:51 Shawn Ryan? Yeah, I don't know how, I mean, let's go, let's go over some of the capabilities that could have been on there.
1:03:58 Speaker 06 For sure. Okay, so, so if you think of just the first, just the first balloon, if you look at pictures of the first balloon, which is a great place to start, just if you Google, you know, pictures of this Chinese spy balloon and you'll, you'll see pictures of it. It was a, a box. Um, some say it was the size of a bus. Some say it was the size of, you know, a suitcase. The box itself was most likely the size of a suitcase, maybe two suitcases, right? The size of a satellite, essentially. And then it had these two large solar arrays off to the side, collecting energy from the sun to power all the functions on the box. And then it had at least two, possibly four dishes that were directional dishes that were mounted to the main box.
1:04:40 Speaker 06 Just by looking at that, there's a couple of things that you, you know for a fact, right? First, you know that it had to be powered externally. So it wasn't a battery that it was carrying. If it was a battery, it would be designed to run until the battery died. It needed solar power for continuous operations. So that takes money, that takes engineering, that takes time, that takes effort. That's not a weather balloon. University of Michigan is not putting up a weather balloon that looks like that. Do you know what I mean? Second, it had those directional dishes. Directional dishes are designed to pick up localized transmissions and transmit focused transmissions. That's what the shape of the, of the dish is for, right? So if you have Dish TV, it's there so that you can send and receive a very narrow band message.
1:05:24 Speaker 06 So four dishes gives it the opportunity to collect four different targets at one time, or potentially collect three different, uh, targets at one time and transmit on a fourth. But there's a two-way transmission and reception mode there. So, and this is just what we see on the outside. If there were, and there were very likely to be signals intelligence collection applications inside, right? Small antenna, round bulbous antenna on the underside or on the backside of the satellite dish or on the backside of the spy balloon. Those would be used for wide spectrum SIGINT collection, signals collection. So they could be collecting signals that were being encrypted and transmitted from
1:06:07 Speaker 06 one military base to another, from one CIA base to another. They could be signals connected there, pretty much anything you mean. Like, they could, they could be signals collecting on a certain frequency in the Wi-Fi network that they know is being used by the president, or that they know is being used by senators or business people, or who knows what. So essentially, that satellite, that balloon, was a giant sponge, collecting signals, radio waves, cellular waves, imagery, thermal imagery, infrared imagery, day and nighttime, right? And then also having the real-time ability to transmit that information back to another location, potentially even to another balloon.
1:06:47 Speaker 06 Also, the balloons could have been transmitting signals to each other, acting as a series of relays back to a main home base. So a balloon over the United States, a balloon over Canada, a balloon over Mexico, all carrying and transmitting signals between each other, hopscotching back to mainland China. That's how satellites work. That's how any, anybody with a walkie-talkie can do the same thing, right? When you look at that balloon, all of those capabilities were very likely housed, encased in that one spy balloon.
1:07:22 Shawn Ryan? Have you heard about, uh, do you know anything about quantum entanglement by chance?
1:07:26 Speaker 06 I know a little bit. I don't know it on a scientific level, but I know the concept.
1:07:31 Shawn Ryan? Do you know that the Chinese are claiming to be able to communicate with their satellites by using quantum entanglement?
1:07:39 Shawn Ryan? You don't believe it?
1:07:40 Speaker 06 It's, I don't, I have yet to know, I have yet to hear about anybody being able to actually replicate or, or measure the effectiveness of their own quantum entanglement. I think that they've proven that quantum entanglement can happen. I don't know that anyone's been able to measure or control it.
1:08:00 Shawn Ryan? Good. For the audience, I'll, I'll run through it, and I'm not a physicist.
1:08:04 Speaker 06 I'm not either, man, so we're speaking the same language.
1:08:08 Shawn Ryan? So, I'll, I'll, I'll break it down the best I can. So, quantum entanglement is basically saying that all particles, atoms are connected, one way or another, through, through a, a field of energy.
1:08:23 Speaker 06 Right.
1:08:24 Shawn Ryan? And if you split an atom, and you manipulate one half of the atom, no matter where in space the other half of the atom is, it will replicate the, um, what you're doing to this part of the atom. So, if you were to put, and that, and, and, and from what I've read, and there's some great articles on space.com that I've read, there's a lot of different articles, uh, talking about this, but, but there's no, there is no distance that, it doesn't matter the distance. You can manipulate this, this half of the particle, and this half of the particle is gonna replicate exactly what that one does,
1:09:08 Shawn Ryan? uh, through all of the connectedness of these, of, of, of particles. And so, if you put something, say, like Morse code on this atom, on this half, then this half is gonna, it's gonna replicate that. And there's nothing that could intercept these communications. And so...
1:09:34 Shawn Ryan? That's another thing I heard is, oh, I'm sure we were jamming. I'm sure we were jamming the transmissions. Yeah, I know we jam things and, I mean, we both spent a lot of time overseas. I'm sure you've seen a lot of it, too. Jammers don't even work all the time, you know? And so if, if they had the capability of quantum entanglement communications, we have no idea what they collected and what, and what got transmitted back to, back to China.
1:10:02 Speaker 06 Right. I mean, you're, even without quantum entanglement, depending on the frequency, the encryption techniques, how we classified the balloon, we, we may still have no idea what they were transmitting. They may have been transmitting in, in the open. And if we weren't intentionally trying to intercept that balloon's transmission, they could have sent an open signal, like a ham radio signal for crying out loud. And we wouldn't have been able to collect it, right? Because if, if it's not something we're listening to or looking for, we're not going to get it.
1:10:33 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
1:10:34 Speaker 06 So you bring up a really good point. I can't, I don't know enough about quantum entanglement and Chinese capabilities to speak to that. But we did, just yesterday, the US State Department released a, a report confirming that of the 41 technologies that, that have been deemed as critical next-generation technologies, I think that's what it was, 41 technologies, China is ahead of the United States in 33 of the 41 technologies.
1:11:04 Shawn Ryan? Shit.
1:11:05 Speaker 06 And on that list was advanced communication, artificial intelligence, hypersonic missiles, next-generation drones, like a huge list where we are being trounced by Chinese investment and Chinese discoveries in these advanced tech. So I think that that just further corroborates what you were just talking about with the potentiality of Chinese using quantum entanglement as some sort of communication tool.
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1:12:02 Shawn Ryan? You know, in moving into tech, I mean, so what they're doing with these tech companies, I interviewed this guy Peter Schweitzer, we were just talking about him at lunch, he wrote that book Red Handed. So what China's doing with these tech companies, and maybe you know more about this than me because I just read a book. But they're basically bringing in all big tech into China because in big tech is, they like it because they don't have all the red tape to deal with like they do here in the US. So they build them a big chip factory, they build them, I don't know, whatever, iPhone factory, doesn't matter, whatever it is.
1:12:45 Shawn Ryan? And so all these big tech companies, Google, Tesla.
1:12:49 Speaker 06 Apple.
1:12:51 Shawn Ryan? Apple, all of them are going over there. Well, under Chinese law, if they develop any new tech that China thinks might benefit their military, artificial intelligence, I don't know, quantum entanglement, that has to be shared with the Chinese government. So all of our tech companies are over there developing new tech and China gets, gets, they get the information first. And so of course we're behind because we've allowed all of that to happen.
1:13:26 Speaker 06 Right, that's the downside of globalization, right? If you're, if you're going to take the economic advantage, if you're going to take the economic incentive of manufacturing in a cheap country, then you're forfeiting your rights to the overarching land, law of the land in that foreign country. We weren't thinking about that, right? We, we, we weren't thinking about that, or again, going back to 2010 to 2018, think about the tech boom in that period of time. Like, there was so much money, so much venture capital money going into new crazy tech innovations that half of them didn't even make sense, right?
1:14:07 Speaker 06 But there was such an abundance of money, people just wanted to be able to act quickly and act at scale. You can't do either of those things in the United States. You have to go to a third country to do that. It's too expensive, there's too much red tape, there's too many legal barriers when you try to move fast and scale inside the United States.
1:14:30 Shawn Ryan? Let's move back to the division and how China's influencing our division. Do you think they're behind some of this woke culture stuff?
1:14:40 Speaker 06 It's a good question, like...
1:14:43 Shawn Ryan? Because that's a very divisive topic.
1:14:44 Speaker 06 It really is. It's...
1:14:48 Speaker 06 Woke America is...
1:14:52 Speaker 06 It's... It's...
1:14:55 Speaker 06 I mean frankly, it feels like a waste of resources. It all started with ESG. When ESG first happened, I loved ESG. I still love ESG. ESG is exactly the kind of... The kind of discovery that makes America great. We found a way to create something that requires no resources, but increases the value so that it increases the economic displacement, right? It costs more money because it brings more value. That's what ESG was, what ESG is. It's what I love about ESG. We're gonna reduce our carbon footprint. We're going to plant more trees.
1:15:39 Speaker 06 We're gonna bring more women into executive positions. We're going to, you know, appreciate diversity in culture and race. That's awesome. There are people who are getting paid more money. There is more economic stimulus. There is... There are companies whose stock price is increasing only because they're practicing ESG. That's excellent. That brings more economic power to the United States. Well, then that kind of... Some bastardized niche of that turns into this idea of woke culture. That somehow... I mean, everything from the fact that white people are so racist they don't even know they're racist,
1:16:20 Speaker 06 to this idea that we have to respect the gender identity of the individual and their pronouns and all this other stuff, like... That's the opposite of ESG. That's a bunch of work that doesn't add value to anything. When something is a lot of work and it doesn't add value, it's a drain on resources. So here, ESG is this boost economically, and then in comes woke culture, which is this drag economically.
1:16:48 Speaker 06 Do I think that the Chinese are behind it? I don't think that some friggin Chinese covert influence expert invented the idea of woke. Instead, again, following the laws of covert influence, you just find a divisive topic and then you pour fuel onto that divisive topic. So I do think that it's very likely, once woke culture was born, then the Chinese started creating their own pots of money to fuel the fight.
1:17:19 Shawn Ryan? So how exactly do you think they're doing that? I mean, I know, we know about the bots. We know that there are, what do they call them? Bot farms or something where there's just thousands and thousands of people on social media.
1:17:32 Speaker 06 So social media ads is an easy way to fervent more of that culture. TikTok, as popular as TikTok is, who controls TikTok's algorithm?
1:17:41 Shawn Ryan? China.
1:17:42 Speaker 06 Who controls TikTok's algorithm in the United States?
1:17:45 Shawn Ryan? China.
1:17:46 Speaker 06 They can actually create different algorithms for different geographical regions, right? So now, if you know that woke culture is active among a certain demographic, and you know that TikTok is the most popular tool in that demographic, you can just shape that TikTok. You can even create algorithms that target specific age groups inside of the algorithm. So mom and dad don't even see that their 18 and 19 and 17 year old child is getting this kind of content delivered to them, right? So there's lots of ways that a sophisticated technological country can concede and cultivate conflict, like disagreements over culture or woke culture,
1:18:31 Speaker 06 or any other topic that you can imagine, whether it's whether President Biden is pro Chinese, or whether his son's laptop was this, or whether Trump was, you know, put in power by the Russians. You can basically control any information you want to if you control the algorithm that sits on the platform.
1:18:49 Shawn Ryan? What are some other ways they could do it, other than social media?
1:18:53 Speaker 06 So there's mainstream media. Um, most of what we find on Google search, most of what you find even in like a newspaper or a magazine, is, is content that is sponsored in some way, right? Somebody wants an article written, somebody lobbies to have an article written, whatever it might be. And, and um, that may not be true for your mainstream media, like your Washington Post and your Economist and your CNN. They just want clicks. They'll create their own garbage. They just want clicks, right? But when you're talking about magazines that you find on bookshelves, magazines that you find in airplanes, magazines that you find, you know, on coffee tables at, at wherever around the world, a lot of that content is sponsored.
1:19:37 Speaker 06 Somebody wants you to write about something, so they pay the magazine to write about something. And through a cutout of a cutout, I mean, the Chinese can, can just funnel money into certain content that they want to have created, not just the Chinese. The Russians can do it, the Iranians can do it, the North Koreans can do it, the Colombians can do it if they choose, right? We do it just as well, right? We can direct and drive content creation in all sorts of mediums all across the world. When you talk about things like YouTube, when you talk about things like Instagram, when you talk about, you know, any popular tool out there is a potential avenue for a paid sponsor or paid ad or content that is intentionally created
1:20:20 Speaker 06 and then optimized to reach a certain audience. It's a difficult, challenging world that we live in because content can be crafted and tailored and targeted so well. It's also an area where we tap into some of the best freedom and the best information that we can get because conversations like this are very real. The only reason this real conversation can happen is because of the same tools that other people use to pervert true information.
1:20:49 Shawn Ryan? Out of all the stuff that we've talked about so far, I mean,
1:20:54 Shawn Ryan? what do you think is the most concerning? Or do you have anything to add? Do you have any other?
1:20:59 Speaker 06 The most concerning thing to me is definitely the fact that China has gotten to a place, specifically with China, the most significant thing about China is that it's gotten to a place where it has the potential to direct next steps in Europe.
1:21:19 Speaker 06 Hypersonic missiles, Huawei, rare earth minerals, Belt Road Initiative, they're involved in all sorts of stuff. That one thing, to me, is the most imminent, pressing concern. Because if they figure out how to do that, there's no way we're touching Taiwan or keeping Taiwan safe. If they figure out how to negotiate peace between Ukraine and Russia, for sure they're gonna win Taiwan. And we're all gonna be sitting around wondering how it happened.
1:21:54 Shawn Ryan? Am I missing anything? Are there any angles out of the 10 topics that we've brought up?
1:22:02 Speaker 06 I mean, that's just like you said, I mean, China in and of itself is this massive conversation. So, I mean, what we've covered today is the highlights, the most critical pieces that people need to be paying attention to. And frankly, what you brought up about China, I mean, there's only a small population paying attention to this stuff.
1:22:23 Shawn Ryan? I know.
1:22:24 Speaker 06 Most people are letting themselves get distracted by what
1:22:29 Speaker 06 their coworkers are talking about, by what's playing on primetime television, by what the mainstream media is telling them. They're not paying attention to this yet. And they should be, but they won't be. But I'm glad that the people listening to you are.
1:22:45 Shawn Ryan? Yeah, well, it's, uh, I mean, this stuff, this stuff scares the shit out of me. All of it, especially, especially the, the supply chain with the green energy. That if we're headed down that road, and, and, and, and we're gonna call this, it's just, it's anything but energy independence. I mean, not, not to mention all the spyware they're gonna put in all this stuff, so.
1:23:16 Speaker 06 We don't have a great track record of energy independence. Remember when we got all upset about OPEC in the eighties? And yet, here we are, still dealing with Saudi Arabia and UAE and Oman and Bahrain to get all of our oil.
1:23:32 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
1:23:33 Speaker 06 We just, we don't.
1:23:35 Shawn Ryan? Do you feel like we're taking any measures to counter any of this stuff? Cause I don't. Our border isn't locked down. It's, Fentanyl's just coming in. You know, I, I don't see a whole, everything I buy still says "Made in China" on it. You know, so I mean, unfortunately, I try to, I try to wise up to it, but I mean, you can't.
1:23:56 Speaker 06 You can't.
1:23:57 Shawn Ryan? Everything is made there.
1:23:58 Speaker 06 I bought my daughter, I bought my daughter a little stuffed puppy the other day. I, I tried so hard to get a "Made in America" puppy. I mean, I mean, just to give you a little extra backstory, right? My gift to my wife and I for our anniversary this year, which will be thirteen years in, uh, a month and five days, right? Or two months and five days. My gift to us is gonna be a poodle puppy. We're gonna get our first family dog. I already know I want it to be a poodle. I have all my, my vision for what this poodle's gonna be. So I bought my daughter a stuffed poodle puppy so that she could practice taking care of a dog, right?
1:24:41 Speaker 06 And I, I went out of my way to find a puppy that was made in the United States, and I found one. It said, "Designed in Georgia." And I forget the name of the city in Georgia, but I've driven through there right outside of Atlanta. And I was like, "Hell, yes." It's a nice, high-quality stuffed poodle puppy. It's exactly what I want. I order it, I buy it, it comes in. I pull it out, I look at the tag, "Proudly designed in the United States." I flip the tag over, "Made in China."
1:25:12 Shawn Ryan? Everybody's doing it, even, even, I don't do much merch, but even in the merch world, you know, you buy, you support somebody and, and I don't blame them, you know what I mean? I mean, you can't blame them. There's, there's only so many options and unfortunately 99 out of 100 are made in China. And if you want something made in the here, here in the US, be prepared to pay double, maybe triple, right?
1:25:33 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:25:33 Shawn Ryan? But, you know, now the big thing is printed in the USA, made in, made in China, you know, printed in the USA, but.
1:25:44 Speaker 06 There are policies in place. I, I have to give credit where credit is due, right?
1:25:50 Speaker 06 Donald Trump put in motion a policy that was very anti-China, right? He put in a program that was called something like the, whatever, the countering Chinese influence, something, right? It was a very, a very controversial program because the liberal, liberal voters and liberal media saw it as being racist, right? Targeting Chinese people. Ah, you can't say that. It's a very racist and, and anti-Chinese program. So when Trump left office, one of the first things that Biden did was cancel that program. And the news media talked about him canceling that program. What nobody talked about was
1:26:33 Speaker 06 that he took the same concepts of that program and moved it into a newly named program called something like the American Independence from East Asia Act, or something like that, right? Same pro, same program, same, same everything, moved into a different name.
1:26:50 Speaker 06 So at the White House, at the administrative level, they understand that the fight against China is very real. That is during Obama, during Biden's most recent State of the Union, he talked about a number of initiatives to bring more domestic manufacturing of high-tech, of high-tech, uh, projects, medical devices, weapons development, electric vehicles, bringing it back to the United States. The problem is, they have to spend a year drafting it, spend a year voting it in, and then they can't actually start to apply it until three to five years out.
1:27:28 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
1:27:28 Speaker 06 So he announced it in 2023 during a State of the Union address to take effect in 2027, 2028.
1:27:35 Shawn Ryan? Well, it would have been nice if they would have just, I don't know, taken the agenda and rammed with it rather than deconstruct the entire thing just to try to construct it again.
1:27:43 Speaker 06 Right.
1:27:43 Shawn Ryan? And...
1:27:45 Speaker 06 And the bigger question becomes, if we know that those policies are taking place in four years, what are we gonna do right now? Right? I mean, you and I are very tactical. What are we gonna do now? I appreciate the strategy, but what are we gonna do right now?
1:28:02 Shawn Ryan? You can't do anything because you're gonna offend somebody.
1:28:04 Speaker 06 That's, that's the concern, right? That's the thing that, that's the game that's being played at a geopolitical level. Right? What are we gonna do in Ukraine to counter Russia? What are we gonna do in Europe to counter Chinese influence and Chinese involvement supporting Russia and Ukraine? What are we gonna do to, to woo India back to our side of the fence so they stop supporting and partnering with China and Russia? Right? What are we gonna do and how are we gonna do it? And as long as we have political infighting about woke culture, we're just distracting ourselves from the larger question, the, the threat that looms over the heads of our children and our children's children.
1:28:49 Shawn Ryan? The last thing I want to talk about with you, and I think you're gonna have a lot of knowledge on this because of your Air Force time in the, in the, in the nuclear program, is an EMP threat.
1:29:02 Shawn Ryan? What's the probability of that happening?
1:29:05 Speaker 06 So EMPs are, EMPs are rough, right? But I don't know if it's common knowledge, it might be. I, I, I can't say that I really know what, what people do and do, do and don't know about EMPs.
1:29:20 Shawn Ryan? They don't know much. If they think that the Chinese spy balloon was just doing Google Earth's job, then, uh, you know, we've really gotta break it down here.
1:29:31 Speaker 06 So, so an EMP is, it can be the end goal of an explosive device. Right? You can create an EMP. You can't create it like in a movie where it's like a little electrical battery that just sends out a pulse. It, it has to be something of a larger, a most explosive character trait. EMPs are also the natural byproduct in a nuclear detonation.
1:29:57 Speaker 06 Most people, when they think of a nuclear bomb, they think of a nuclear bomb that comes and is delivered by a rocket, hits the earth and then explodes, creates a mushroom cloud and a fireball. Right? What they don't realize is that a nuclear warhead can be detonated at any altitude. It could be detonated one foot off the ground, a thousand feet off the ground, 10 miles off the ground. It could be detonated at any altitude. And that the first wave of energy that comes off of a nuclear explosion is an electromagnetic pulse. So when we studied nuclear weapons in the air force, when we went to war college about how to apply and deploy them in combat,
1:30:40 Speaker 06 the first way that we would use a nuclear weapon is as an EMP. So you would send it, you'd launch it. The whole world would see it coming, right? But then you would actually detonate at altitude. And you would detonate at altitude so that it would send a very large, widespread, conical EMP that would short the fuses and communication devices of everything within its reach. Right? So 2 miles off the ground, you might be able to neutralize 15 square miles of landmass, right? 4 miles off the ground, you could neutralize 50 miles of landmass. So-
1:31:15 Shawn Ryan? Are these accurate numbers?
1:31:17 Speaker 06 They're rough, rough numbers. There's an exponential benefit to how far you can neutralize based on the altitude above ground. Right?
1:31:24 Shawn Ryan? What's the widest area that a EMP, a capability that you know of?
1:31:31 Speaker 06 Hmm.
1:31:32 Shawn Ryan? How much landmass are we talking?
1:31:34 Speaker 06 It would all depend on the yield of the warhead. So I don't remember, I don't remember how big our largest warheads are. That number might be classified still, for all I know. But if you were to detonate a large warhead at a high altitude, you would have a huge EMP. You also have to keep in mind that the intensity of the EMP is also related correlated to how far the devices are from the explosion. So something with shielding might survive the EMP. Something with no shielding might not survive an EMP blast that's done in the atmosphere. You know what I mean? So, so that's what we have to think about. When you talk about EMPs, the, the main thing we have to consider is that there has to be some kind of blast to neutralize everything.
1:32:18 Speaker 06 Unless you're talking about a focused energy weapon, which could also do the same thing, short, um, short something out, right? And we would absolutely expect in a large scale conflict, a modern day conflict, you would expect to see cyber warfare to help jam signals, followed by some kind of EMP blast to, to destroy the software and to destroy the hardware that would carry the software, assuming they could ever fix the cyber, the cyber attack. And then you'd basically have neutralized command, communications and relay capabilities. And then you would move in with your attacking force.
1:32:55 Shawn Ryan? I mean, it's all energy.
1:32:57 Speaker 06 All directed energy.
1:32:58 Shawn Ryan? No vehicles, no, no, no anything.
1:33:02 Speaker 06 Not needed, yeah. A vehicle could potentially deliver a weapon. So this is another thing to keep in mind, too. It would take, it could, you could use a low yield nuclear weapon. No mushroom cloud, no way to even identify that it was a nuclear weapon. You could potentially drive it in a truck. And no kidding, just like pop it up from the back bed of the truck. It goes up 500 feet, you know, half a mile, explodes, neutralizes the entire area.
1:33:31 Shawn Ryan? I guess what I meant is if we got hit with an EMP, there would be no vehicles, no electric, no communications, no radio, no, no nothing.
1:33:42 Speaker 06 Not if it's modern. You're exactly right. Because an EMP would short the circuitry. So anything that's got a smart chip, modern day cars, cell phones, all that stuff would be neutralized. Your old school Chevelle should still be good to go. But your Tesla would not go anywhere, it'd be a brick, right? Yeah, if we were to be hit by an EMP, that's essentially how it would work. And the, the- Again, the more likely way that we would see anything like this happen is we would first see a cyber attack that would neutralize our ability to identify the incoming weapon that would discharge the EMP. So we would see some kind of mass attack that distracts us and blinds us to the incoming attack that launches the EMP and destroys everything.
1:34:24 Shawn Ryan? Do you think that this is a realistic scenario?
1:34:29 Speaker 06 Not for us, not for the United States.
1:34:33 Shawn Ryan? Why so?
1:34:34 Speaker 06 Because for someone to, first of all, the United States is so large, it would be very difficult to successfully coordinate an attack against the United States that does both of those things, right? And we've got lots of shielding on our most sensitive equipment. So if someone were to try, I mean, think of the cities you'd have to cover at one time. Miami, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, Nashville, like, you'd have to cover tons of cities with a coordinated cyber attack and coordinated EMPs to neutralize the United States in the hopes that the shielding that's on military bases would be penetrated by the EMP.
1:35:19 Speaker 06 It's really unlikely, right? Because if you made one mistake, we'd have command and control centralized and we'd be able to respond with the forces that we have through, through backup lines. Your telephone lines wouldn't go down, right? Because they're not reliant on, on conducting chips. They're reliant on fiber optic cables and, and sometimes just old school ethernet cables, right? Like, there'd be a lot of infrastructure still in place in the United States. But that's exactly the kind of attack that I would expect to see in an assault on Taiwan. That's exactly the kind of attack that I would expect to see the next time Russia tries to take one of their former satellite states.
1:35:56 Shawn Ryan? I mean, maybe it wouldn't affect the military bases, but it definitely would affect the civilian population.
1:36:04 Speaker 06 For sure.
1:36:05 Shawn Ryan? And with no electricity, there's no food, there's no water, there's no heat.
1:36:13 Speaker 06 Right, there's no grid.
1:36:14 Shawn Ryan? There's no cooling, you know? And, and so, I think that alone, I mean, what, what are the, it's, it's estimated, what, you have three days if something like that were to happen before.
1:36:29 Shawn Ryan? Before everything comes unglued and it becomes every man for himself. So really, they wouldn't have to, they wouldn't have to take the military out because the civilian population would just basically eat itself alive.
1:36:42 Speaker 06 There's the, the X factor that we're not considering is what happens when there's an attack. Ukraine is a fantastic real world example of this right now. President Zelensky's approval rating on February 21st, 2022, was 30%. 30%. President Zelensky's approval rating on February 22nd, 2023, was 90%. Now, why am I saying that? Did the guy suddenly become an amazing president in one year? He's the same guy, right? That 90% approval rating came from a mix of gung ho, hyper-nationalistic Ukrainians
1:37:27 Speaker 06 who are still in the country. Because remember, they've had tens of millions of refugees leave the country. Plus, only a fraction of those gung ho people can even get to a computer to take a survey. So it's a small sample size of a limited population that all answer 90 to 90% approval rating, right? But the, the thing that that demonstrates is that when there's a common aggressor, everything changes. All, you and I are sitting here talking about the, the potential negative impact of woke culture. As soon as somebody pulls a gun on any of us, on you, me, or some person who self-identifies as they or them, we've got a common enemy.
1:38:11 Speaker 06 All of a sudden, we don't care about their pronouns. We care about the enemy. So if somebody were to attack the United States, we wouldn't eat ourselves from within. We'd sit there, we'd probably lock arms, pick up weapons, and fight the enemy.
1:38:26 Speaker 06 That's what we did after 9/11. I know you remember what 9/11 was like.
1:38:29 Shawn Ryan? I definitely remember that. I, that was a different time.
1:38:32 Speaker 06 It was a different time.
1:38:33 Shawn Ryan? We weren't near as divided as we are today.
1:38:35 Speaker 06 We weren't, but some of the, some of the most contentious, uh, activity we saw was coming from the Gore, the, the Gore and Bush elections just prior to that.
1:38:45 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
1:38:47 Shawn Ryan? I don't know, I want to believe you, I really do. I just, I just don't see, I don't see...
1:38:55 Shawn Ryan? Americans locking arms. I just don't see it today.
1:38:58 Speaker 06 We need a common enemy. What scares me, to be very honest with you, what scares me is the fact that the administration also knows we need a common enemy.
1:39:11 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
1:39:14 Speaker 06 So part of me-
1:39:14 Shawn Ryan? I don't feel like, I don't feel like any, I don't feel like the Trump administration did it. I don't feel like the Biden administration. I don't think unity is on anybody's agenda. You know, and, and while I do agree that we, we need a common enemy to unite, I mean, the, the actions of, of both, of both administrations are, are, in my opinion, extremely divisive.
1:39:44 Speaker 06 I agree. But what we're seeing, what I'm seeing at least, is that the Biden administration has wised up to the fact that Russia is not our common enemy. They've been preaching that for a year, right? Stand with Ukraine, Russia's the aggressor, Putin's illegal war, Putin's illegal invasion, Putin this, Putin that, Putin's dying of cancer, Putin's gonna be just, you know, pulled off, pulled out of power by the oligarchs within. How many times have they been wrong trying to tell us what's gonna happen to Putin? I think they're waking up to the fact that Putin is not the common enemy America's looking for. Some of us have even like gone as far as to say, maybe we're doing the wrong thing by supporting Ukraine, right? Even I have said that it's not a good idea to provoke
1:40:29 Speaker 06 Russia because what we're doing now is playing into Russia's hands. Like, when this whole thing started, it was about countering Nazism in Ukraine. There was no, Putin didn't have a toe to stand on when that was his claim. Now, he has a very just claim saying that Ukraine is a proxy war of the West trying to eradicate Russia. He actually has an argument now. We gave him that argument. But my point is that the administration is realizing that the common enemy may actually be China. So now, as we turn our attention towards this conflict with China, and talking about chip wars, and talking about lethal aid to Russia, and talking about China bypassing
1:41:11 Speaker 06 international laws, and whatever else, now all of a sudden, like, both sides of the aisle can get behind supporting Ukraine because it's an economic benefit. Both sides of the aisle can get behind putting our targets on China because we all see them as a true challenge and a true threat to our long-term role as a superpower.
1:41:32 Shawn Ryan? I mean, in theory, I mean, can they actually do that, though? When, what, two years ago, anything bad you said about China, you were painted a racist?
1:41:42 Speaker 06 We'll have to figure that out. Nobody's saying that now.
1:41:45 Shawn Ryan? It's interesting, isn't it?
1:41:47 Speaker 06 It's funny, right?
1:41:47 Shawn Ryan? I mean, they're gonna have to-
1:41:48 Speaker 06 We're having a whole conversation about China right now, and we're not worried about anybody calling us racist.
1:41:51 Shawn Ryan? Yeah. Well, I gave up on that stuff a long time ago. I don't know. I, uh, yeah, I just, you get canceled for anything nowadays, so it's, it's-
1:42:03 Speaker 06 We'll see what happens. We'll see what the, uh, what the woke internet has to think about our conversation.
1:42:07 Shawn Ryan? I don't think we're gonna be painted as racist, but, but, two years ago, we would have been.
1:42:13 Speaker 06 Yep.
1:42:13 Shawn Ryan? You know, maybe a year ago, we would have been.
1:42:15 Speaker 06 Yep.
1:42:16 Shawn Ryan? And so, it's, it's, I mean, they're gonna have to re-indoctrinate half of the population into thinking that that's not racist again.
1:42:25 Speaker 06 Or, uh, half the population won't be smart enough to, to keep up with it anyways. They'll be too busy scrolling through TikTok, or giving up their time some other way.
1:42:36 Shawn Ryan? Very true. Is there anything else you want to cover with China?
1:42:40 Speaker 06 No, man. I think we've, I think, especially for what could be a first conversation, to bring people up to date where we are today with China, I think we totally nailed it. Who knows where it'll look like six months from now? But, right now, we've got a very accurate idea of China's role and China's implication as it stands today.
1:43:00 Shawn Ryan? Perfect. Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll, we'll lightly cover some UFO, UAP, and, uh, energy stuff.
1:43:09 Speaker 06 Sounds perfect, man.
1:43:10 Shawn Ryan? All right.
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1:43:57 Shawn Ryan? All right, Andy, we're back from the break, the final break. We're going to cover the weaponization of space, or weaponizing space, and UFO, UAP, maybe some free energy stuff.
1:44:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:44:12 Shawn Ryan? What do you want to kick it off with?
1:44:14 Speaker 06 Dude, weaponizing space is a super interesting topic.
1:44:16 Shawn Ryan? Let's go there.
1:44:17 Speaker 06 Yeah, so, so a couple of things. So, just recently, Russia announced that it's going to pull out a START treaty, right?
1:44:25 Shawn Ryan? What is the START treaty?
1:44:26 Speaker 06 The START treaty was a treaty that was put in place during the Obama years to basically limit and downsize the total number of nuclear weapons that existed between the United States and the Russian arsenals. So a downsizing and modernization and safety-like protocols, right, for our two different nuclear weapon arsenals. I mean, it was set to expire in 2025. Most people thought it was going to renew, but now Putin just announced he's not going to renew it, right? That came on the heels of Biden showing up in Kiev on President's Day, which in and of itself is kind of ridiculous. I don't know why the US president would spend American President's Day in Kiev. It just, it doesn't, it doesn't honor our history of presidents.
1:45:10 Shawn Ryan? Well, some people claim he's not all there.
1:45:15 Speaker 06 But either way, so to counter that kind of snub in the face of Russia, Putin announces he's gonna pull out of the START treaty. Now, nuclear weapons, there is a treaty in place. The non-weaponsization of space is a treaty that's existed since the 70s. Nuclear weapons actually work the way they work, specifically because they're supposed to fit within the guidelines of a treaty. So the treaty basically says you cannot put a weapon into orbit around Earth. Nuclear weapons follow that rule because they actually launch in an elliptical pattern to re-engage or re-enter Earth's atmosphere. So they leave from one part of Earth and they enter another part of Earth.
1:45:59 Speaker 06 They do not make a full rotation around the Earth, so they do not make an orbit.
1:46:05 Speaker 06 With the idea of weaponizing space, it becomes scary because now there are so many more people involved that were never part of that treaty.
1:46:15 Speaker 06 China's putting things in space. They were never part of the original treaty. We've got commercial entities putting things in space, right? You've got friggin Elon Musk is launching Teslas into orbit. So there's all this stuff now going into space that was never part of the original treaty not to weaponize space. And all you would basically have to do is essentially put something into space that's carrying a laser, carrying even a dumb bomb, a dumb explosive, right? All you need is gravity. You can just drop something out of a vehicle in space and as long as it can withstand re-entry into the atmosphere, essentially you have a space-based weapons platform. So it is scary to think about the future of modern-day weapons, smart weapons,
1:47:00 Speaker 06 energy-directed weapons, or directed-energy weapons, laser weapons, being based in orbit around the Earth.
1:47:08 Shawn Ryan? How many countries do you know of that are putting weapons into space?
1:47:13 Speaker 06 I don't know of anyone currently putting weapons into space. But the countries that we know have the infrastructure to put satellites and to put large vehicles into space, I mean, that's gotta be pushing up towards 25 or 30 countries. I mean, just some of the ones that jump to mind that I'm not comfortable with putting items into space, Pakistan can launch into space, India can launch into space,
1:47:43 Speaker 06 Turkey can launch into space.
1:47:46 Shawn Ryan? Iran?
1:47:46 Speaker 06 Iran can probably launch into space. I mean, if they can't do it themselves, they'd be able to get the know-how from the Russians or the Chinese to be able to do it, right? North Korea might be able to launch into space. They have missile platforms that carry nuclear weapons. So, there's a lot of very intense applied mathematics that goes into getting something into orbit and making it stay there. I mean, these are all countries that have a grudge with someone else that they might consider putting a weapon into space. At least the United States and like Russia, for example, like, we have this contentious relationship. Remember, in World War II, we were allies, and then there was the Cold War, and then
1:48:29 Speaker 06 coming out of the Cold War and in the early 90s, like in the early 90s, we kind of became friendly again, and then that has slowly kind of dissolved into what it is now. Obviously exacerbated significantly in the last year, but there's a weird relationship where both of us are really fairly responsible nuclear partners, at least until we see otherwise.
1:48:53 Shawn Ryan? What do you think about all this UAP, UFO stuff? It's...
1:49:02 Shawn Ryan? It's being brought up more and more and more. And there's all these conspiracies around it. Everything from, well. Have you heard about the false flag alien invasion?
1:49:15 Speaker 06 No.
1:49:16 Shawn Ryan? You haven't?
1:49:17 Speaker 06 No, I haven't heard about this yet.
1:49:18 Shawn Ryan? Well, some people think that the that the globalization is gonna occur after a false flag alien invasion. And that's why all these UAP and UFOs are are coming up in the media because they're gonna they're gonna falsify something that's gonna create enough fear to where we all all listen to the one world government.
1:49:43 Speaker 06 A false flag alien invasion, meaning meaning some deep shadow government is making us think there's UFOs?
1:49:51 Shawn Ryan? Yes, yes.
1:49:53 Speaker 06 That's convoluted.
1:49:54 Shawn Ryan? Yeah, but why do you think this is all of a sudden just hitting the mainstream? So more and more and more.
1:50:01 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that I think is an excellent question. UFOs have been something people have been interested in a long time, right? As long as we can remember seeing things in the sky that we can't immediately identify. That was the birth of the UFO. UFOs and aliens, I think if you if you take a look closely, they're two different things. UFOs are just what's in the sky. Aliens are life outside of our planet. It's a nuanced difference, but it's still a difference. The reason people are obsessed with UFOs is because people don't like cognitively, human beings don't like an open loop
1:50:45 Speaker 06 in their in their reasoning process. You don't like it, I don't like it. It's the reason that television series always end on a cliffhanger. It's the reason that books end on cliffhangers. It's the reason that you read emails from email marketers and they always tell you what they're going to tell you on the next email, right? The human, the human brain doesn't like an open loop. We like a closed loop. We like, we like closure. So when there's an open loop, we get fixated on it. So the idea of this mystery of what's in the sky, we get naturally fixated on what could that be? Whether we want to or not, we start theorizing. Could it be this? Could it be that? Could it be this? We're trying to close the loop cognitively.
1:51:27 Speaker 06 That's what drives us compulsively with UFOs. What drives us compulsively with aliens is actually a question of how human beings, how we relate to mortality. You're gonna die someday. I'm gonna die someday. Right now, in our 40s, it's more, it's more real to us than it was in our 20s, when we probably both thought we were impervious. But imagine how we're gonna feel when we're 60. Imagine how we're gonna feel when we're 80, right? The closer you get to death, the more intense your questions start to become about, is there life after death? Is there more after death?
1:52:09 Speaker 06 Am I really just a pile of a functioning, like, biological system and then I'm gonna die? My system's gonna stop working and I'm just gonna be dust? Is that really all there is to it? Or is there more? And that question of is there more is what really drives our fixation with alien life. Because what if there is life outside of Earth? What if, when we die, our spirits go somewhere outside of Earth? What if there's some technology out there that these advanced creatures may have that could help me prolong my life, right? What if there's something, some great mystery that I haven't discovered in my 65 years of existence because I'm bored with everything of life?
1:52:51 Speaker 06 And now the only thing that's, that's new and unknown to me is this idea of alien life. So the question of aliens is really intricately connected with our, with the human existence, with mortality, right? So you can see that you can separate these two things. One is a question of mortality, one is an open loop of the mysteries of what's going on in the sky. Now, the reason that these two things have always been around, but they've become so intensely mainstream, is because of the UAP report that the government released, what is it, two years ago now? 2021, possibly 2022? The federal government finally released that they had been collecting information about UFOs and UAPs since the 1950s.
1:53:34 Speaker 06 Once we heard that the federal government, the CIA, the DIA, NSA, had been actively collecting, running intelligence operations against Russia, for crying out loud, to try to collect information about UFOs and UAPs. Now, all of a sudden, what that did is it lended government credibility to these two open loops that we've been suffering from for so long, which now made it so that maybe in secret you thought they were aliens, but you never talked about it with your friends. Or maybe in secret you thought they were UFOs, but you never mentioned it to your wife. Now, all of a sudden, the government's talking about it. So now, everybody can talk about it, which opens up the conversation to everybody who has an opinion.
1:54:15 Shawn Ryan? Uh huh.
1:54:15 Speaker 06 Right? And there is real evidence out there that speaks to unidentified aerial phenomenon and that speaks to things in the sky that nobody can describe. And then you've got the footage from the 2007, the Nimitz and the F-18s that were tracking multiple aerial vehicles that they couldn't describe and they couldn't define. Like, there's all, there's a lot of moving parts here that have now made it so that these two natural questions that all human beings have have now become so mainstream, we can talk and speculate all we want openly now without having to worry about anybody calling us crazy.
1:54:59 Shawn Ryan? Do you have any theories on what these are?
1:55:02 Speaker 06 So I do, actually. I, uh, so I was, I was mentioning to you, I actually just finished shooting on a new television show. And I can't speak about many details, but, but the show was for a mainstream cable channel. And it was an investigation into the relationship between, you know, potential government cover-ups, potential government secrets, and what is going on that could help describe or explain some of these phenomenon that people have been seeing, whether it's phenomenon in the sky or phenomenon on the ground or, or phenomenon that people experience physiologically. Right? Is there a connection there? And, you know, when I get releases to talk about the show, I'll be happy to share it all with you. But- The point was, we got to actually investigate these questions.
1:55:47 Speaker 06 We got to look at data, we got to travel, we got to do some experiments to see if we could understand more about what is actually happening with UAP, UFO phenomenon, and how does it relate to the government, right, the US government specifically. What I've landed on is a couple of things. So first, there is absolutely classified information that we're not being shared, that's not being shared with us. Uh huh. And that sucks, because without that information, we don't have all the information. We can't make a sound conclusion for ourselves. So there's absolutely some element that's being controlled by the government. That doesn't mean that it's alien tech being controlled by the government.
1:56:29 Speaker 06 It just means that some bean counter somewhere has chosen these 15 reports to not be shared publicly. Who knows what they say? But for sure, there's some element where we're not being told all the facts the government has. On top of that, you've got real national security concerns. We are trying to develop new weapons all the time, new aircraft, new missile delivery systems, technology that we can't even fathom yet, right? Maybe there's hovercraft technology, maybe there's, who knows, teleporting technology. There's actual national security secrets that should be protected, which is different than the information that doesn't need to be protected, but they're protecting it anyways.
1:57:12 Speaker 06 So, but between the government secrets that should be there, and the government secrets that don't need to be there, there's a lot of empty holes in our understanding. So, in my experience, I've seen strange lights in the sky. We've gone to some of the areas out there where people have reported UFO sightings, historic, repeat UFO sightings. I've seen some very strange lights in the sky. I've seen triangle patterns, I've seen lights that jump from place to place. I mean, I've literally traveled, investigated, and seen these things, and I have no explanation for what they are. But they're happening in the sky in certain places at high altitude. Where are you seeing these at? The southwest primarily.
1:57:56 Speaker 06 If you're looking in the skies over Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, that's a, that's a really concentrated area there at the Four Corners, Utah. That's a, that's an area where there's a ton of concentrated just strangeness, right? That's also an area that's rife with government experimentation. That's where we have all of our experimental flight zones. That's where we have, you have huge areas of, of commercial air traffic that go through there. Plus, it's wide open, beautiful, clear sky. You can actually see satellites from Earth when you look up in an empty, dark sky. It's incredible what you can see in a normal sky.
1:58:40 Speaker 06 Most people don't take the time to look up. Most people who do look up, they don't get that kind of a dark sky. They get a sky with a lot of light pollution because they live in or near a city. So you might see 15 or 50 stars, but you don't see the Milky Way. When you see the Milky Way, you see all sorts of things moving in the sky that you never would have imagined you would see. And part of the reason is because so many more people are putting up satellites now. You've got SpaceX puts up satellites, governments put up satellites, commercial entities across the world put up satellites. I mean, for crying out loud, Atesi Lot, which is a French communications company, Atesi Lot puts up satellites on an almost monthly basis,
1:59:25 Speaker 06 building a network of satellite-based cellular communication that they use around the world commercially, right? So there's so much in the sky, people see it all the time. And we don't know what we're looking at. It's not, it doesn't pop up on, on a flight tracker. Nobody announced that they're going to put something in the sky. You just start to see it. Now, a satellite looks pretty clear, right? It's a straight line. It moves at a steady speed, starts in one place, ends in another place. But the stuff that's up there isn't always a satellite. I've seen strange glowing orbs, like balls of light, that change direction. I have no idea what that is. Is that an airplane? You've seen that? Oh, yeah.
2:00:10 Speaker 06 How many times? Maybe three, and only in the last two months while I've been shooting this show. Wow. But what is it? Could it be, could it be like, uh, an alien aircraft? Maybe. It could also be a domestic aircraft that forgot to turn off its headlight. Probably not, but it could be. It could also be a natural phenomenon. I've learned about things like ball lightning. Have you ever heard of ball lightning? No. Lightning, the, the, the environmental conditions that create lightning can actually be created on a small microcosm and in a ball. So it's lightning in a ball. It just looks like a light in the middle of nowhere, floating. Hmm.
2:00:55 Speaker 06 There's also indicators, pre-indicators of, of earthquakes. There's geological effects that happen that release energy, electromagnetic energy into the atmosphere. When the energy comes up from a fault line and comes in contact with certain, uh, conditions in the atmosphere, it creates lights in clouds, almost like, like a light switch in a cloud. And all of a sudden, the cloud is a light and floating, right? We know these things exist. They've been studied, they've been talked about, but they're not mainstream. So how many of the lights that people are seeing that are strange are these true geological or aerial phenomenon that can be explained, right?
2:01:38 Speaker 06 Unknown aerial phenomenon, UAP, versus known aerial phenomenon, KAP.
2:01:44 Speaker 06 Unless you know that ball lightning exists, you're not gonna know what it looks like when you see it. So there's this subset of celestial things, satellites, that we understand. Then there's a subset of just unidentified domestic or unidentified commercial things like aircraft. And then you've got these natural phenomenon like ball lightning. Only after you've gotten through all three of those, do you get to the really, really strange stuff. And, I mean, that is stuff that I don't know whether or not I've even seen, really, really strange stuff, because there's so much going on in the sky.
2:02:22 Shawn Ryan? Yeah. What do you think about free energy? A lot of people think that the government is hiding free energy from us. Do you think that?
2:02:36 Speaker 06 You know, it's interesting. I know that, I mean, back when Nikola Tesla was experimenting with a way to create energy and transfer it across large distances, it was always with an eye towards having it be free and accessible by all people. Some of the places, interestingly enough, some of the places where there are large amounts of UFO and UAP sightings are actually also the same locations where Nikola Tesla had scoped them out as a transfer point for free energy.
2:03:13 Shawn Ryan? Really?
2:03:14 Speaker 06 Because of the geology in those locations. There's a, what I have come to confidently land on is that there is absolutely a connection between the geology of a location and the energetics of that location and how they impact UFOs and UAPs. And let me just give you a real quick example. There are parts of the country where the soil underground, the geological conditions underground are heavy in metals like iron ore or copper ore and quartz, which is a rock. Most of us know what quartz is, right?
2:03:57 Speaker 06 When those two conditions exist, a heavy metal ore paired with quartz, you're essentially creating a scenario in which the molten core of the earth can charge an artificial battery or a natural battery. Because the metal matched with the quartz creates a type of reaction where the energy from the core of the earth is stored in the quartz and then it's released to the surface through the quartz, not through the actual core of the earth. In areas that don't have a layer of quartz like that, energy is free-flowing. But in areas where there is a heavy focus or a heavy concentration of quartz,
2:04:39 Speaker 06 that battery power charges and then you actually see higher electromagnetic energy fields. Okay. Right? Sedona, Arizona, someplace we were talking about recently. There's a fantastic report online. If you just do a quick Google search for Sedona or look for Sedona, Arizona, magnetic anomalies, right? Or US Geological Survey, USGS, Sedona, Arizona, magnetic anomalies. Look up that and you're going to come across a report from 2005 that the US Geological Service did that talks all about how the ground underneath the city of Sedona is unique, specifically because of this ability to capture and store
2:05:24 Speaker 06 energy from the core of the earth. It's a fascinating thing. Sedona, Arizona is also one of those areas where people report seeing lots of strange UFOs, sightings of things they can't explain, energy vortexes that, you know, change and alter their psychology and their mental state. I mean, and could it all be related to the energy that's happening underground? I would say yes, it absolutely could be related. It even may be like high probability, medium confidence that it's related to the energy underground. Because it just, all of those things scientifically, they all make sense. They all match up. The difference that we have in a place like Sedona
2:06:05 Speaker 06 versus other parts of Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, is that we don't know, we don't know if those areas have the same kind of magnetic geology like we see in Sedona. So, I mean, it's all my way of saying that, in my experience, what we see in the skies are real, and they're really unexplained. But we may not, we may be reaching a little bit too far when we associate what we see in the sky with intelligent life. What we see in the sky could, could and is scientifically proven to be related to what happens underground. So maybe we should be looking underground first,
2:06:49 Speaker 06 and then considering life at altitude. Right? Because if, again, I like to put you and I in the position where what would we do? If you were in charge of researching another planet, and you were studying another planet, and you, and you saw in your studies that there's a natural energy source in a certain area of that planet, that's probably the first place that you would go. So when I think of the fact that there's a natural energy source under a place like Sedona, Arizona, if I was a visiting intelligent life form, that's one of the first places I would go. Why would I check out Arkansas? Why would I go check out, you know, Wisconsin, when I could check out, what is this strange energy signature
2:07:33 Speaker 06 coming underground at this location in Arizona?
2:07:35 Shawn Ryan? Interesting, very interesting. You know what else is interesting is all of these wonders of the world, the pyramids, Stonehenge, Machu Picchu, is it Easter Island? These are all on fault lines.
2:07:50 Speaker 06 Oh, I didn't know that.
2:07:51 Shawn Ryan? Did you not know that?
2:07:52 Speaker 06 No.
2:07:52 Shawn Ryan? All of those are...
2:07:56 Shawn Ryan? On top of fault lines.
2:07:58 Speaker 06 Wow.
2:07:59 Shawn Ryan? What, frequency and vibration.
2:08:00 Speaker 06 Yep, and a, and a crack in the, in the crust that would allow energy to come out.
2:08:04 Shawn Ryan? Mm-hmm.
2:08:05 Speaker 06 That's really interesting. I did not, never make that connection.
2:08:08 Shawn Ryan? Yeah, yeah, it's, and then, I don't know how many of them are connected this way, but if you drew a line, you know, from, let's say, Montepich, Machu Picchu to the pyramids, everything in between, it's a, you can take a line and go all the way around the earth, and it's, I can't remember how wide it is, a couple hundred miles, I think. All of these places.
2:08:34 Speaker 06 Exist in that belt.
2:08:35 Shawn Ryan? Yes.
2:08:37 Speaker 06 See, it's, that's the kind of stuff that really makes me just so curious about what explains it all. It, it's, it's too coincidental to be coincidence. It, it's, it just reeks of some kind of intelligent design. But what is that intelligent design, right? Is that evidence of some kind of heaven and some kind of god? Is it evidence of something like our planet was manufactured or created? Is it evidence of the fact that we were once colonized in the past? And then that civilization died and was replaced by dinosaurs and then died and was replaced by us? Like, there's so many questions there.
2:09:22 Shawn Ryan? Yeah, there's a lot of questions, all right.
2:09:25 Shawn Ryan? But, um, but, um,
2:09:29 Shawn Ryan? yeah, we could, we could spend all day diving into this, but, but, um,
2:09:35 Shawn Ryan? but I think, I think this is a good place to, to end our conversation. Um, cause we're getting into, we're getting into things that we don't know about. And everything up to this point has been very factual.
2:09:48 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
2:09:49 Shawn Ryan? So, Andy?
2:09:51 Shawn Ryan? Thank you for all the knowledge. I learned a lot about China and a lot about the Ukraine-Russia conflict that I didn't know before. You've actually shifted my perspective a little bit, and I have a little bit more confidence.
2:10:08 Speaker 06 That Americans might lock arms one day?
2:10:11 Shawn Ryan? Yeah. So, I hope you're right.
2:10:14 Speaker 06 Man, I hope I'm right, too. It's been an awesome, awesome experience sitting here with you, Sean. I mean, these are the kind of conversations I love having. And, I mean, if you're anything like me, we just don't get to have them very often.
2:10:26 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
2:10:27 Speaker 06 Right? There's a lot of conversation that goes into daily chores, and keeping the kids fed and happy, and making work happen, and making careers happen, and it's not often we get to just jump into the stuff we care about.
2:10:40 Shawn Ryan? Yeah.
2:10:41 Speaker 06 And tease it out.
2:10:42 Shawn Ryan? Well, I really appreciate you coming, and all of your links will be down in the description there, and we'll be promoting this episode on all of our social media channels. And, man, I just, I really hope to see you again.
2:10:56 Speaker 06 Oh, I'll be back, brother.
2:10:57 Shawn Ryan? Thank you for coming.
2:10:58 Speaker 06 My pleasure.
2:10:59 Shawn Ryan? Cheers.
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