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• 1:02Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe. And there's a lot to talk about. Let's do the news. Starting with, we are recording this today. Today's Wednesday. Goes up on Friday. There's a massive fire rolling through the Los Angeles area. And people don't care about disasters unless it's happening in their area. So a lot of people are gonna be like, yeah, whatever. They're gonna skip this. This is serious. This is a serious thing. It's a huge deal. Also, very tragic. Very tragic. Like, a real thing. Now, I appreciate, by the way, all the text messages I've gotten from friends in the East Coast saying, "I hope I'm safe." I am safe. We don't live in Los Angeles here. I've tried to make that point, but it's just... Everybody thinks that LA and San Diego are really close together. They are not. They are not. They are not.

• 1:45Doug DeMuro?

  But, anyway, it's a really, really big deal. Obviously, it's tragedy from human life perspective. There are several fires going right now. The one in Pacific Palisades is a huge, huge, huge deal. I have friends up there. I filmed a ton of my videos in that area. Even if you're not from LA, Pacific Palisades and Malibu are where you hear about, like, the rich people with insane car collections. That's where a lot of them are. From a human life perspective, this is a, you know, dangerous and sad situation. Incredibly. Taking it to a car perspective, as this is a car podcast... Um, you know, the big story was this bulldozer moving cars out of the way. That was like a big thing that came out of this because it's quite a scene. It's quite a scene. They got video of it. It was safe to shoot while they were doing it. But the real story that's going to come out of this is the loss of property. Both homes, people aren't understanding like, no, there are going to be multi, multi million dollar,

• 2:30Doug DeMuro?

  very valuable, special cars lost in this fire. Absolutely. As of this morning, so this is early on because the fire is still about 0% contained. It's actually true of the three biggest fires. They're all about 0% contained when we're filming this. Early this morning, there were, the report was that there were 20,000 dwellings fully destroyed. I, and those are expensive dwellings. People don't understand, like this is the wealthiest of the wealthy, the highest end of the high end stuff. One day in Malibu, five years ago, I was walking down the street and a guy backed his, was backing his Enzo out of his garage.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that might be gone.

• 3:01Doug DeMuro?

  When, when fires like this happen, they spread so quickly. It's hard to know that where it's coming and if it's coming for you. And people in this area generally kind of take cover, but a lot of these areas are, I mean neighborhoods, these are like neighborhoods that aren't even really in next to canyons or forests or whatever.

• 3:17Speaker 05

  And some of these houses, particularly the really valuable ones, like where are not necessarily people's primary house. They might be somewhere else or they might, or if you're at work and all of a sudden there's a fire, you can't necessarily get home because of this situation.

• 3:28Doug DeMuro?

  Right, cars were blocking areas.

• 3:29Speaker 05

  With all the traffic, yeah.

• 3:30Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 3:30Speaker 05

  I mean, LA is known for its traffic.

• 3:33Doug DeMuro?

  And especially some of these areas, there was kind of one road in, one road out sort of things, or narrow roads to get in and out.

• 3:38Speaker 05

  There.

• 3:38Doug DeMuro?

  And people, you know, there's a ton of traffic, people are blocking, it's not possible. And it's not the first thing in your mind. I mean, to be honest, to be honest, it wouldn't be for me. If there was a fire near me, I'm just going to say this right now because I always see whenever, whenever there's a hurricane and the videos showed all the cars, people are like, why didn't they leave, get them out? And it's like, you don't get it. Like hurricanes turn at the last second, it happens all the time, damn it. You're in an area that has never been damaged before in a hundred years. You think you're safe and then there's one hurricane that comes and damages it. These people, Pacific Palisades, never would have thought, I mean, some of these houses are 30, 40, 50 years old. But these areas are not areas that are typically under in fire. Hundred mile an hour winds, things move quickly. Incredibly quickly. I literally, it wouldn't even be on my mind to try to get the cars out. You get yourself out, you get your kids, family. Or insurance.

• 4:23Speaker 06

  You don't care about your house and you don't care about your cars. Those are all replaceable.

• 4:26Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 4:27Speaker 06

  It feels weird on this podcast, then also say the next sentence, which is there are some cars that aren't really replaceable.

• 4:31Doug DeMuro?

  And I wonder, and I wonder the story that's going to come out about some of those. I have a suspicion that we're going to hear that some really, really irreplaceable cars have been destroyed.

• 4:41Speaker 06

  Which is okay.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  Ferrari factory is going to start making some, uh, some more cars.

• 4:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you wonder about that. That's the thing that they have done in the past.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 4:49Doug DeMuro?

  Um, and you, it is.

• 4:51Speaker 06

  And they've announced it. I mean, there were some Enzos that, that were completely destroyed that they made.

• 4:55Speaker 05

  As long as you have the VIN, like it kind of.

• 4:56Speaker 06

  Or even if you don't, as long as you have the title.

• 4:59Speaker 05

  Hopefully that thing go up in flames too.

• 5:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 05

  It is, it is a, yeah, it will take a long time to tabulate exactly what the impact of this has been like from a financial perspective on the world, like. It's just the property value and then what will that property be valuable in the future? And from the cars perspective, like you said, some of that is just gone, especially some of the really old stuff that is. Cause when we go to Malibu Cars and Coffee, I mean, we saw real heavy metal and that's.

• 5:24Doug DeMuro?

  All those people live around there and, and evacuations are, I mean, this fire, I first heard about it four o'clock and by 10 o'clock there, I mean, there were many, many, many places gone. And you're thinking about where do I take my kids? How do I get out of here with my kids, my family, my documents, whatever. And it's crazy.

• 5:39Speaker 06

  The good news is that so far there have not been a lot of reports of fatalities.

• 5:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, not many. As we're, as we're filming this, I've only heard of two and none in this fire. I imagine that will change. You have to assume.

• 5:48Speaker 06

  Like who cares about the property, whatever, but it is.

• 5:52Doug DeMuro?

  Something. It is interesting though. I agree. Who cares about the property, but it is interesting. This will be the, this will be the most costliest fire ever. I, I haven't heard anybody say that, but I'm, I have zeroed out in my mind.

• 6:01Speaker 06

  When the homes burning down row after row after row are all $20 million property.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  So then you wonder, you know, do insurers pay out? Do, do some insurers are probably going to not be able to pay out? Does the state have to backstop some of this? Do they rebuild in this area?

• 6:16Speaker 06

  What, what, what does that mean for the underwriting for some auto insurers?

• 6:18Doug DeMuro?

  What does it mean for Los Angeles in general? Like do the, does, does this city, does this city abandon Malibu? I mean.

• 6:24Speaker 06

  But it's not just Malibu anymore. Like the, the fire is at northern part of Santa Monica, Brentwood, there are, and because of the winds and how dry it is. There's also small fires breaking out further east, which is insane.

• 6:34Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, this could happen anywhere essentially now, uh, Hollywood Hills, any of those places are scary. Yes. Embers could then be blown into neighborhoods and start smaller fires there. Those are a lot easier to contain.

• 6:43Speaker 06

  Those are agreed.

• 6:44Doug DeMuro?

  Um, but like, damn.

• 6:47Doug DeMuro?

  It's crazy. The whole situation is absolutely wild and I'm very interested saddened by the whole thing. It is unbelievable to watch. I have a personal friend who lost his house, a very special house, very special cars, and I'm, I'm sure it's just, it's a sad situation, I think, for a lot of people. But anyway.

• 7:03Speaker 06

  It'll take a long time to recover from it. Long time. If, if they ever do. Palisades is a cool area. It really is. I'm not a big LA guy, but that area is really cool and, and I, I, it probably will never be the same.

• 7:13Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely. Anyway, next news story, back to more automotive related news. Nissan Z, which is a car that no one has ever seen.

• 7:22Speaker 06

  That's so true. That is so true.

• 7:25Doug DeMuro?

  I saw one yesterday and there was a real thought in my mind, does Doug have a Nissan Z press card this week? That's how rare it is that I see one. Yeah, they're not around, which is odd because they, the Z purportedly outsold the Supra this year.

• 7:38Speaker 06

  Purportedly, to be clear. It is, based on the sales numbers released by Toyota, by Nissan, this is true. The Nissan Z sold 3,164 units in 2024, which by the way is up 500 units from, up notably from the year prior, and Toyota sold 2,600 Supras.

• 7:55Doug DeMuro?

  Just to put that into perspective, I just did a calculation. That is the number of Camrys they sell in five days.

• 8:02Speaker 06

  Yeah. They're selling cars.

• 8:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty wild. I, we have to at some point admit, even as car enthusiasts, it's pretty wild that these automakers have gone to the trouble to develop these cars. Now, to Toyota's credit, Toyota stopped doing, developing sports cars, but they have partnered with other companies and they continue to make sports cars, and that's probably the only way forward for sports cars in the future.

• 8:23Speaker 06

  Nissan used their 370Z chassis and backup camera and a lot of other things from it.

• 8:28Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 8:28Speaker 06

  And like, that's how they made it work.

• 8:29Doug DeMuro?

  But that's right. The only way to make a successful, and by successful, I mean number of Camrys they sold in five days.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  You know, I have bad news for you. How many cars or SUVs do you think they sold compared to Camrys?

• 8:40Doug DeMuro?

  12, 17.

• 8:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  But, but the point is, you know, the Supra, you're right. This was a bunch of reused parts from the old Z. This car's built in Austria. Like, at the end of the day, sports cars are just not what, at the high end, they still are.

• 8:55Speaker 06

  By the way, one related piece of news, majority of Supras sold were manuals.

• 8:59Doug DeMuro?

  Of course.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  The way it should be.

• 9:00Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I think I learned last week that when you had that, that data point, that the remaining 29 manual cars, whatever it is, the majority of them are enthusiast cars.

• 9:08Speaker 06

  People buy them.

• 9:08Doug DeMuro?

  At this, at this stage, the only, the only... Yeah, I mean, there were the sports car. Of course, the majority of supers are sold with manuals. That's the type of person. That's it. That's all there is anymore. Can I ask you a question? Okay, the Nissan Z in 2023 sold 1,700 units. So they were up 79% year over year. How? Yeah, what? It's surprising. Are there incentives on these? Initially, I heard there were production constraints, so they've obviously gotten the cars out. They also released the new Nismo model. Right. Um, I'm reading here that it says that Porsche sold in the US, this is, this is January to September of 24. They sold 11,911. So the 911 is radically more popular. I mean, combine these two cars.

• 9:52Doug DeMuro?

  And then this is just the US. It's in North America, but. Tracks. Yeah, it does track. You see a lot more 911s, but it's crazy. The 911 is like, you add these two together and you're still at double. Yeah.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  Wow, that is wild. Never would have thought when the Z came out, because I remember when the Z came out, never would have thought that.

• 10:11Doug DeMuro?

  What, the new one?

• 10:12Speaker 05

  The new.

• 10:13Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, he said the Z, not the 350, 370.

• 10:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I remember like thinking back then, it's like that the Porsche 911, to see a Z felt very common. To see a 911 felt uncommon. Turns out things, how the tides have changed.

• 10:25Doug DeMuro?

  I'm very curious about this. In 2003, which was the year the 350Z came out, which to me was like the revitalized, like the peak revitalization of that car. Yeah. They sold 36,000 Zs in the US. And last year, they, last year, the car is brand new. This is probably the first full year it's been on sale. They managed to move 3,100. Wow. You gotta start saying sports cars are. Especially not, not, not expensive sports cars where they're still desirable because it's cool. Like these cars, it's just, nobody has the money for an impractical car unless they have a ton of money for an impractical car.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  And then they're not considering these.

• 11:00Doug DeMuro?

  Right, they're buying an 911.

• 11:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:02Doug DeMuro?

  There were.

• 11:02Speaker 05

  How interesting.

• 11:03Doug DeMuro?

  Crazy. What a.

• 11:05Speaker 06

  Miata's were sold in 2024. There were 8,000 Miata's.

• 11:07Doug DeMuro?

  8,000 Miata's. That's still relatively healthy, but I mean, you know, but that, that, that's so little compared to what was worth on the 350Zs in 2024. 1991 Mazda sold 31,000 Miata's in the United States.

• 11:20Doug DeMuro?

  So they're not incredibly far off, but

• 11:22Speaker 06

  The market's cooled on this.

• 11:23Doug DeMuro?

  No one, well, now that car's 10 years old. So to Mazda's credit, they do still, they came out in 15, the ND. They do still, yeah. I'm not wrong.

• 11:32Speaker 06

  You're not wrong. Came out in 14, but yeah.

• 11:34Doug DeMuro?

  Mazda does still make the car and that's really cool. But like the, another way to justify making a sports car in this market segment is to just milk the hell out of it. The days of a four year, of a four year product cycle, like NA was 90 to 90, what? Six, 97? And then the NB was 98 to 04, like five, six years they would do product cycles.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  Those days are gone.

• 11:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. The only way to make this happen is if you just milk every penny.

• 11:58Speaker 06

  When did the Supra come out? 2000?

• 11:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Super? Uh, 20?

• 12:02Speaker 06

  I think 20?

• 12:03Doug DeMuro?

  Sorry, I meant 2020, sorry. 19, 20, something like that?

• 12:06Speaker 02

  I think it was 19.

• 12:06Doug DeMuro?

  I went to the press launch in the spring of 19.

• 12:09Speaker 06

  Okay, so it probably came out for the 20 mile year.

• 12:11Doug DeMuro?

  And that press launch, by the way, was in West Virginia.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  I remember the video.

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• 14:58Speaker 06

  Yep, the Mustang Mach-E. How many, okay, there was a new Mustang for 2024.

• 15:03Doug DeMuro?

  Brand new Mustang. I was behind one yesterday.

• 15:05Speaker 06

  Rare.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  I saw one recently.

• 15:07Speaker 06

  The Mustang Mach-E you're familiar with is a small electric crossover.

• 15:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 15:10Speaker 06

  Which one do you think sold more?

• 15:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I bet it's the Mach-E.

• 15:15Speaker 06

  Wow, how did you ever guess?

• 15:17Doug DeMuro?

  What were the numbers?

• 15:18Speaker 06

  All right, there were about 52,000 Mach-Es sold in 2024, which is the best year ever. The Mustang, on the other hand, had the worst year it's ever had.

• 15:28Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 15:28Speaker 06

  Ever. I, ever is the headline that Motor One went with. I have not independently verified that it's ever, but it's notably.

• 15:34Doug DeMuro?

  How many did it sell?

• 15:35Speaker 06

  They sold 44,000.

• 15:36Doug DeMuro?

  44,000, which compared to the Super and the Z is actually still pretty healthy. But the days of crazy Mustang sales are.

• 15:42Speaker 06

  Do you want to guess what the second worst year was?

• 15:44Doug DeMuro?

  Uh.

• 15:46Doug DeMuro?

  Last year.

• 15:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, 2023 had a little bump. The second worst was 2022 when they sold 47,000.

• 15:52Doug DeMuro?

  In 2005, when the, that was when the new Mustang came out, the new retro looking one in 05.

• 15:56Speaker 06

  The new one, yeah.

• 15:58Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, in 05, it was brand new. That was, that was.

• 16:00Speaker 06

  Not the new Edge, sorry.

• 16:01Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right. The new Edge entered in 04. 05, the new one came out and they sold 161,000 in the US that year. And in 06, probably its first full year, they sold 167,000 Mustangs. And what'd you say, 44?

• 16:13Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 16:13Doug DeMuro?

  But add in the Mach-E, how much was it?

• 16:15Speaker 06

  With, with the Mach-E, right?

• 16:16Doug DeMuro?

  106. They're still doing great with Mustangs.

• 16:19Speaker 06

  That's exactly.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  It's, I'm, I'm actually, it's, the new Mustang, I think we can all agree, is a little bit of a disappointment from a sales standpoint. They're not, you expect the new generation to have a sales boost. It has not really happened.

• 16:34Doug DeMuro?

  I also find it to be a bit of a disappointment.

• 16:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:37Doug DeMuro?

  It looks too somewhat of the SP50 before it.

• 16:39Speaker 06

  The new Mustang, but I have also loved the new Mustang for the last couple gens and I don't see a great benefit. If I'm in the market, I, I'm, I would buy a three year old. I'd buy a GT350, honestly.

• 16:51Doug DeMuro?

  Same.

• 16:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 16:54Speaker 06

  The Mach-E is a legitimately competitive EV. And so it makes sense to me that those continue, that the Mach-E EV keeps going up a little bit. And the Mustang has maybe lost the man.

• 17:04Doug DeMuro?

  Crazy though, it lends credence to my trick that I, whenever I see someone and they tell me that they have a Mustang, I say to them, oh, a Mach-E? And if this, you do this to Mustang owners, they get very angry.

• 17:16Speaker 06

  But you're no, it's a real Mustang.

• 17:18Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. But now I'm gonna be like, well, I don't know, the, the electric one's more popular. I didn't know. I'm sorry. I assumed.

• 17:24Speaker 06

  Things are shifting. Soon you're gonna have to start saying, what, a GT350? No, it's Mach-E, actually.

• 17:31Doug DeMuro?

  They should do a Mach-E GT350.

• 17:34Speaker 06

  Would be interesting.

• 17:36Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna do the Mach-E Rally, the GT and the Rally.

• 17:38Speaker 06

  Aren't they gonna do that crazy off-road-y one?

• 17:40Doug DeMuro?

  The Rally is, I think, the crazy off-road.

• 17:41Speaker 06

  I thought there was gonna be like a, like a one.

• 17:43Doug DeMuro?

  There was talk of the Mustang brand expanding to an off-roader.

• 17:47Speaker 06

  There was not just talk. Ford confirmed that.

• 17:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it hasn't happened yet.

• 17:50Speaker 06

  There's gonna be, there's gonna be an off-road Mustang, like a rally fight.

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  Tesla confirmed the Roadster in 2016, you know?

• 17:55Speaker 06

  Any day now.

• 17:56Doug DeMuro?

  Any day now. By the way, you know what I got a lot of flack for? I said that thing about the Mazda 6.

• 18:01Speaker 06

  That's why, oh no, sorry.

• 18:03Doug DeMuro?

  I was like, the Mazda 6, I don't believe anything an automaker says because the Mazda 6, I went to the launch and I said they have a diesel and everybody replied, they did make a diesel in Europe. Okay, listen, it was a US press launch and they never made a diesel in the US.

• 18:16Speaker 06

  They committed to it heavily too.

• 18:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, heavily. Now, I will say, I went to the Jeep Wrangler JL press launch, press launch in Tucson in 2018. By the way, that's an old car and, and they committed, they said they would have a diesel. And you know what? They did. So to their credit.

• 18:32Speaker 06

  They did have a hybrid.

• 18:33Doug DeMuro?

  Very available for lease sales. They have a plug-in hybrid as well. There was a diesel for a while, but it's gone, I think, I assume.

• 18:38Speaker 06

  I don't think there was ever.

• 18:39Doug DeMuro?

  Are there? There was, there was a JL diesel. Yeah, Kenan and I were big fans of it.

• 18:44Speaker 06

  Oh, huge fan.

• 18:45Doug DeMuro?

  There's a diesel JL.

• 18:47Speaker 06

  Was it made by that Italian company?

• 18:48Doug DeMuro?

  3.0 liter EcoDiesel. No, you're thinking of, here's something nobody knows. Do you remember the Jeep Liberty and the Grand Cherokee had a diesel?

• 18:55Speaker 06

  I thought that the Wrangler one.

• 18:57Doug DeMuro?

  There was a Wrangler EcoDiesel for a little while.

• 18:59Speaker 06

  I recall that, but I thought it was made by an Italian brand.

• 19:02Doug DeMuro?

  I can't help you out. This is the kind of thing Europeans do. Yeah, Americans at baseline just assume that American companies make everything. And so Europeans, whenever, I remember when I worked at Porsche and there was a plane crash. Uh, yeah, an Air France plane from South America crashed into the ocean and they had to go find the wreckage. And, and one of my German colleagues at Porsche was like, you know, a German company is the one that helped them find the wreckage. And it's like, I don't care about that.

• 19:24Speaker 06

  It really is.

• 19:25Doug DeMuro?

  So I'm not only looking at that. Don't you, you know, a Belgian company was responsible for making those paper clips, actually designing them in the first place.

• 19:32Speaker 06

  That is also something that my mother would say, so I feel bad that I've become that.

• 19:35Doug DeMuro?

  You know, all Filipos become their mother. Okay, move on to the next news story. We've hashed this out. Oh yes, okay. This cannot be a real image. It looks, it looks flat. It was not an attractive car. All right, Honda. Yeah, you're right. Honda came out at, at, at the Consumer Electronics Show, which happens every year in Las Vegas.

• 19:54Speaker 06

  Better known as CES.

• 19:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, we call it the Consumer Electronics Show.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  No human ever has.

• 19:59Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Honda came out with a couple of concept cars. One of them is this. They're both called the Zero. There's the Zero SUV and the Zero sedan. I was just reading the press release.

• 20:08Speaker 06

  Saloon, actually.

• 20:08Doug DeMuro?

  Saloon, I'm sorry. I was just reading the press release, trying to find data. There's no data. It's just like tech. It's about how there's AI and how the technology is Asimo, which is like the name of the robot, and now it's the name of the technology in the cars. But there's no like, it's this long and it's going to be sold in these numbers and it's, it's got a, you know, hybrid. There's none of that. It's, no, no. It's just, it's just a debut a design and they said, this is a car.

• 20:27Speaker 06

  And it's a combination of a Honda E and a Polestar 3?

• 20:31Doug DeMuro?

  It looks to me like a regular car wearing a backpack.

• 20:34Speaker 06

  But, but not like the Defender 130, which is a Defender wearing a backpack. This is different.

• 20:40Doug DeMuro?

  This, it's not a, it's not a handsome automobile. This, this vehicle.

• 20:44Speaker 06

  It looks like what you'd expect a car in an electronics show to look like.

• 20:47Doug DeMuro?

  And it is.

• 20:49Speaker 05

  This is very Espada-like.

• 20:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Oh my God, that's exactly what it looks like. I take it all back. I love it now. No, I actually think, I'm into all concept cars. Of course, they never, they never come out looking like this. Remember, my thing about the concept cars is when they debut, when they debut the concept, it looks flashy and cool and exciting. And then when it comes out, it's the accurate.

• 21:05Speaker 06

  Although, does this have really ample room between the tire and the wheel well? So maybe it's real less like.

• 21:10Doug DeMuro?

  Or off-roading.

• 21:10Speaker 06

  Um, I will say, it's interesting that these cars are getting, if it ever comes to fruition, are getting revealed to CES.

• 21:16Doug DeMuro?

  CES is interesting.

• 21:17Speaker 06

  It's not the LA Auto Show.

• 21:18Doug DeMuro?

  See, the auto shows are dead.

• 21:19Speaker 06

  Dead.

• 21:19Doug DeMuro?

  Shows are dead. I mean, you gotta wonder if the auto shows make another couple rounds, you know, because it's an annual.

• 21:25Speaker 06

  Because their local dealer wants to promote the new Sonata.

• 21:27Speaker 05

  Well, you touched on something there. It's like, I think, yeah, that would be all, that's what it's for. But the dealers can't afford to do the displays they used to.

• 21:35Doug DeMuro?

  That the manufacturers used to do. It used to be that the, that the, in the, in the major markets, the big auto shows, which were New York, LA, Detroit.

• 21:43Speaker 06

  Chicago.

• 21:44Doug DeMuro?

  They, the automakers would come.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  And Geneva.

• 21:46Doug DeMuro?

  And obviously, yeah, Tokyo, Geneva.

• 21:49Speaker 06

  Frankfurt.

• 21:49Doug DeMuro?

  Frankfurt.

• 21:50Speaker 06

  Paris.

• 21:50Doug DeMuro?

  Paris. The automakers would come and they, and they would debut new cars there.

• 21:55Speaker 06

  It was such an exciting day.

• 21:56Doug DeMuro?

  When like you could like.

• 21:57Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:57Doug DeMuro?

  When like the, the auto show press days were happening and you knew that all of the automotive blogs had all of the photos.

• 22:02Speaker 06

  All the photos of all the cars.

• 22:03Doug DeMuro?

  It was such a good day.

• 22:04Speaker 06

  It was so cool because, because that was like it.

• 22:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  Like, like every car was coming out that day and it was kind of a, it was kind of a race to see like who would win the day.

• 22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 22:12Speaker 06

  Like who would be the story coming out of the auto show? And those days have changed, but apparently at CES, there's enough interest in that physical show that people are debuting cars there.

• 22:24Doug DeMuro?

  Also, by the way, one downside of there not being auto shows, you lose track of what cars are out. For example, there's a Vinfast VF9. It is a vehicle that is for sale.

• 22:31Speaker 06

  I know. I gotta send them an email.

• 22:32Doug DeMuro?

  And like, we, because it looks weird. It looks kind of quirky.

• 22:35Speaker 06

  Nobody knows because the, like you don't, if you're a smaller manufacturer, you don't get the press coverage. Like if Jeep releases a new Wrangler, they get press coverage regardless. But the auto show has kind of helped even out some of that.

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  That's an interesting point. You really don't find out like what's on the, generally speaking, the first time I know a car is for sale is when I see it on the road. Or when they send me a press car.

• 22:55Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 22:56Doug DeMuro?

  But like.

• 22:56Speaker 06

  But for a long time, it was when it was at the auto show in production form.

• 22:59Doug DeMuro?

  Right. It was like, okay, that car is.

• 23:00Speaker 06

  The Car and Driver did a piece on it, Johnny Lieberman, our friend, and that's how you knew.

• 23:04Speaker 05

  Wonder how long, but do you wonder how long, you wonder how long CES stays a thing also? Like it used to be, you know, I mean, I, there are a number of events every year. I'd wait for Apple to release their products. And they used to have events where Steve Jobs would go and talk to people.

• 23:17Speaker 06

  They still do.

• 23:18Speaker 05

  Well, now they do it. It's all pre-recorded. It's all virtual. And like they just have something and you go and see this. It's not the same like it used to be. So I do wonder if like tech companies see the value and like.

• 23:26Doug DeMuro?

  The benefit though of CES.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  Having small things for press people like.

• 23:29Doug DeMuro?

  If you want the technology, you want to hold it in your hands. Like you want to see the Palm Pilot.

• 23:34Speaker 06

  The, the, the big brands like Apple.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  Holding the Palm Pilot.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  Apple and some others have moved away from being part of it and Mobile World Congress in Madrid, Barcelona.

• 23:42Speaker 05

  Which is a big deal.

• 23:43Speaker 06

  Spanish studies. Uh, but it's still a big deal for the other brands.

• 23:46Doug DeMuro?

  It is nonetheless interesting that the automakers see fit to do this at CES. That tells you the direction they're going. This is more of a technology play than an automotive play.

• 23:54Speaker 06

  Never thought I'd be able to talk about the Mobile World Congress at, on the podcast.

• 23:57Doug DeMuro?

  Move on to the next story.

• 23:59Speaker 06

  Also, this was at CS last year, if memory serves.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  Memory doesn't.

• 24:03Speaker 06

  No.

• 24:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Speaker 06

  This is the Sony Afila.

• 24:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's the Sony Afila. So it's the word feel and an A on the front and an A on the back.

• 24:10Speaker 05

  I feel ya.

• 24:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's nice. Sony, I feel ya.

• 24:14Speaker 06

  It is made in partnership with Honda. So it is actually made by Sony Honda Mobility.

• 24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 24:21Speaker 06

  It will be available in the US. It is, they are pretending this is a car that's for sale. In California only.

• 24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Sony is making a car.

• 24:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's, but with Honda.

• 24:31Doug DeMuro?

  So is it gonna be branded as a Honda or Sony?

• 24:33Speaker 06

  It's gonna be branded as a Afila.

• 24:34Doug DeMuro?

  The brand on the front says Afila.

• 24:36Speaker 06

  It's a Afila one.

• 24:37Doug DeMuro?

  So this is like how TVs used to have like brands that weren't, okay.

• 24:41Speaker 06

  Can I, can I tell you what is on their website as the main things?

• 24:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 06

  The tagline is where mobility meets intelligence. They say that it starts from $90,000, which is dramatically overpriced.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  90,000 American dollars.

• 24:52Speaker 06

  It only has 300 miles per hour and only has 400 something horsepower.

• 24:56Doug DeMuro?

  So this is like Lucid Air stuff.

• 24:57Speaker 06

  But way more expensive.

• 24:59Doug DeMuro?

  Ugly, uglier and slower.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  For those who can't see, it has a bunch of sensors that are on the roof that look awful.

• 25:06Speaker 06

  I'm glad you noticed this.

• 25:07Doug DeMuro?

  That's the future.

• 25:08Speaker 06

  Because it says above the fold, they're starting from 89.9. EPS estimate range up to 300 miles. And then the one in between is sensors, 40 units.

• 25:17Doug DeMuro?

  40 sensors.

• 25:18Speaker 06

  I will say. 40 units.

• 25:20Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, when I, when I was reviewing those Chinese cars, we may have told you this on the pod, but when I was reviewing those Chinese cars and they gave me a spec list, like horsepower, price was all on it. But then like the eighth thing in the list was like number of sensors, number of radars, number of, and it was like, this is a thing that we're gonna, how many sensors you got? I got, I got, you know how people brag about the number of speakers their car has or like the tire size? Sensors.

• 25:45Speaker 05

  This is not necessarily new. I remember Top Gear mentioning something that many years ago, they couldn't find the horsepower figure, but they could see like what Bluetooth features it had. And people used to brag about the 7 series had more, the E38 had more computers on it than sent the man to the moon. So maybe the people, maybe people brag about this. I mean, otherwise it's maybe it's because it's an exceptionally boring car. There's nothing else that's interesting about it, but.

• 26:07Speaker 06

  There's nothing else interesting about it. It's dramatically overpriced for the market.

• 26:10Doug DeMuro?

  What's interesting to me is why are they even selling it in the US?

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Well, California only, by the way, because they don't have dealers. They have, they will have like, just like Lucid honestly has or been, they'll have like centered in malls.

• 26:20Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna teach you something, Floyd.

• 26:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, please.

• 26:22Doug DeMuro?

  I reviewed a Xiaomi SU7.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  I recall. I was here in the office, it was great. It was blue. It was.

• 26:29Doug DeMuro?

  And greenish blue. And the thing about Xiaomi is that yesterday they were making phones, no cars, and today they're making cars and phones.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  Right.

• 26:38Doug DeMuro?

  So why are they making this? Because it's time to branch out, dude.

• 26:41Speaker 06

  I don't see why they're making it. It's not like Sony did that.

• 26:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna make, I'm gonna make a prediction here. I'm gonna make a prediction. The automotive industry has been fenced in by regulation.

• 26:50Speaker 06

  True.

• 26:51Doug DeMuro?

  For an enormous amount of time. Two big regulations, especially in North America. Dealer networks?

• 26:56Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 26:57Doug DeMuro?

  EPA and general compliance. Neither of those things are here anymore.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Especially if you're willing to sell just in some states.

• 27:05Doug DeMuro?

  So the dealer network thing is gone.

• 27:07Speaker 06

  And Sony apparently are.

• 27:09Doug DeMuro?

  The dealer network thing is gone because yes, a lot of states have allowed the automakers to just sell directly.

• 27:14Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 27:15Doug DeMuro?

  The regulation thing is gone because EVs don't have to meet emissions. So your only requirement is, is safety. And that's not all that hard.

• 27:23Speaker 06

  And a lot of those are very formulaic. Are your headlights big enough?

• 27:26Doug DeMuro?

  Me and Kenan can make a, we could meet safety requirements.

• 27:29Speaker 06

  Like a long weekend with a couple of cold ones.

• 27:30Doug DeMuro?

  It is.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  It's a sheet metal.

• 27:31Doug DeMuro?

  Mentally true.

• 27:32Speaker 06

  It's a pillow.

• 27:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Um, and so my prediction is that we're gonna see an explosion of new automakers.

• 27:38Speaker 06

  Which is kinda cool.

• 27:39Doug DeMuro?

  And, and I'm making this prediction slightly late because Tesla is one of the new automakers and it's, it's already been around for 15 years.

• 27:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  So it's, you could say that I'm not really at the forefront of the times with this prediction.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 27:50Doug DeMuro?

  But I'm looking at the Chinese market and I'm seeing all these new cars by companies that like didn't exist yesterday. And now they make a 5,000 horsepower sedan that jumps, which by the way, should have been one of the new stories. You see that?

• 28:01Speaker 06

  We're gonna get into it later. Okay. I, I, it's also interesting, right? I wonder if it's a way for somebody like Honda who has partnered with Sony on this to, they don't really have their own EV tech. There's a way for them to maybe experiment a little bit with a brand that's not tied to Honda explicitly. It's not branded as a Honda. They can do some weirder things.

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 28:19Speaker 06

  Like a. Odd looking car that's massively overpriced.

• 28:24Doug DeMuro?

  But this, maybe this is the future. Why, why don't the electronic companies come into this? They're already making batteries. They're already making, they're already making screens. At this point, it's not that much different. The only thing people care about now with cars, batteries and screens.

• 28:33Speaker 05

  But here's the thing, it's like, okay, so let's say that there's this huge explosion of brands. Like there wasn't in the 1920s.

• 28:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, during the day.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  Yes, they, well, yes, there were so many that existed. And then they all disappeared eventually. They, because they were just, how then do you begin to differentiate between these cars of like, is do you, are you bragging about screens and sensors? Or is it like, they all just become the same?

• 28:56Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you, the, the jumping thing was interesting because the way to differentiate is gonna be, this is fun, this is interesting. People have been asking me for a long time, are you worried when cars become electric? That no, you know, no one's gonna care about your videos anymore because they'll all be about the same. I totally think it's the opposite. I think in order to distinguish electric cars from themselves, automakers are gonna have to come up with weird stuff. Electric cars are gonna have to have gimmicks.

• 29:19Speaker 06

  Going viral is how you'll sell cars.

• 29:21Doug DeMuro?

  We can call it quirks and features, if you will, but I mean that. We had the MG Cyberster in the office with its, with its like butterfly doors.

• 29:27Speaker 06

  And taillights that are.

• 29:28Doug DeMuro?

  Crazy. I mean, in order to differentiate an electric car, you have to do stuff like that. We already saw that Yangwang SUV that floats. And now, released in the last couple of days, is this video about this Yangwang sports car that can literally jump. Now, there's not a person in the world who thinks this is a real video. This car cannot jump. But you're, the point of it is, is that electric cars, in order, they're all the same. They drive the same. They, in order to distinguish themselves, stuff like this is gonna have to start happening. It's an interesting thing.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  The big question becomes about discovery. Like you choose to buy a, an Accord or a Camry because you know that's at the dealer. You know they have a good reputation. If all these upstart brands, you don't know how Sony's reliability is.

• 30:09Doug DeMuro?

  You don't, and I will say, every time one fails, like Fisker, I think it reflects poorly on all of them.

• 30:14Speaker 06

  It does.

• 30:15Doug DeMuro?

  I think everybody who would have considered a Fisker is like, oh, maybe I won't get a Rivian now. Maybe I won't get a Lucid now. Because I'm anxious that that brand might also fail. But I think that this could be the future of, of brands. Why wouldn't it be? It's really interesting. It's like, from a car market standpoint, you see, you're seeing consolidation. Nissan Honda merging. And then you also are seeing like weird new upstart brands and innovation for companies that have money like Sony is also creating or Yangwang, which we don't know anything about is create like it's interesting. You're seeing consolidation in traditional spaces. Yeah. And a lot of new brands. Yeah. But discovery does really become the question like, how do you choose to find out about Yangwang? Right. Cause their video. Yangwang is a BYD brand. I didn't know that. But. Yes, it is. But. Build your dreams, Doug. Build your dreams. Build your dreams. But anyway, the point is, the point is these electric cars are

• 30:59Doug DeMuro?

  coming. There's nothing, there's, there's fewer barriers to entry than ever were. When I was a kid and when my dad was a kid, it was always said that the big three would be it. Yeah. And given the regulatory environment at the time, that was true. Things have changed. And I, you're going to see the Sonys and if they come out with this Afila, which is heinous and overpriced, that's how it's going to be. But like cars, more cars are coming. The Faraday Futures, the Rivians. Faraday Futures. The Fiskers. You mark my words. You're going to be driving around on a Bebo. I do wonder. A flubba. I do wonder who will enter the space not at the 100K sedan spot. Cause that's a weird spot that enter the market. Well, when will there be a 25K car for everybody? 25 is, is hard to imagine, although those Chinese cars are affordable. In, in Europe, the cheap side of the market is a lot of those cars.

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I agree. And I was surprised in those Chinese cars, what they cost, how relatively affordable they are. These days, EVs in America have been seen as largely a luxury purchase, but that will not stay the same forever. Not everybody has entered in this price point though. Rivian did come with an SUV and a truck. Let's be real, guys. Wearing nice pants sucks. Everybody knows I'm a shorts guy, but sometimes pants are unavoidable. But who decided that stiff, uncomfortable fabric squeezing your legs was the key to looking sharp? This year, make the switch to Public Rec where comfort rules. Public Rec's Daymaker pants are here to make sure you stay comfortable. They feel like your favorite sweats, but they look like tailored pants. Yep. Super stretchy with an elastic waistband so you can rock them anywhere. Whether you're hanging

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• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  through news very quickly. Nissan Xterra, Nissan has re-trademarked the Xterra name. I've been saying for 20 years that Nissan screwed this up getting rid of the Xterra.

• 33:16Speaker 06

  You're right.

• 33:16Doug DeMuro?

  And I was right. And finally, someone at Nissan has decided to listen. They're way too late. This is how you know a recession is imminent, when Nissan finally jumps back into the off-road game. Oh, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna sit this one out and wait and see. They sat out for 15 years.

• 33:30Speaker 06

  They are in the off-road game. Have you heard of the Pathfinder Rock Creek?

• 33:33Doug DeMuro?

  Pathfinder Rock Creek and the Frontier Pro 4X. Nobody gives any credit to these cars.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  What an optimistic podcast. We start with dystopian fire, then we talk about how sports cars are dead, then we talk about how EVs are gonna take over everything.

• 33:45Speaker 06

  They're available for sale.

• 33:46Speaker 05

  But at least we got the Xterra.

• 33:47Doug DeMuro?

  The Xterra coming back would be great, but I don't have high hopes. It's hard for me to believe that Nissan, what are they gonna do? Do the truck? I mean, I guess it could be good, but I, they're 10 years late. 4Runner's been eating their lunch forever, and deservedly so, and now Nissan's out of money. What a surprise. Nissan cancels this car two days before the off-road genre takes off and then won't go back into it. It's just Nissan is bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. And me, a casual observer idiot, is sitting here thinking, I would have done this so much better. And everybody's like, Carlos Ghosn is a genius. And I'm like, just because he fit into that Tupac case?

• 34:21Speaker 06

  Well, I will say.

• 34:21Speaker 05

  It's pretty hard. You ever tried to fit in a Tupac case?

• 34:24Speaker 06

  Good news for Nissan is that their Nissan Z sales are up 79% year over year.

• 34:29Doug DeMuro?

  And then they do the Z. They sit out the off-road SUV market. How many 4Runners Toyota sell last year? 4 billion, all of which went for sticker with a waiting list.

• 34:38Speaker 06

  For sale for literally 14 years.

• 34:39Doug DeMuro?

  Came out in 12, coincidentally, the year that Nissan canceled the Xterra. And yeah, it's been going for on and on and on for years and years and years. They're still selling hundreds of millions of them. And Nissan's like, we see all these SUV sales, we see the off-roader genre, we see the popularity, we're gonna do a sports car. Just complete disaster company.

• 34:59Speaker 06

  Uh, okay, now there's a short for you, producer.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  Finally talking about something Italian. So this is my story. No, this is not a Chevy Cruze. This is allegedly the, you know, I'll tell you what it doesn't look like. It doesn't look like a Ferrari. However, this was spotted around Maranello driving around. This is supposedly Ferrari's test mule for what will be their upcoming EV. Now, their, their CEO Benedicto Vina said that EVs won't be silent. And this car is heard around making noises of some kind. And again, it's, it's a four door hatchback looking thing.

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• 36:33Doug DeMuro?

  Saw the video. This looks like a Prius come to life.

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  Looks like hopefully a Maserati and hopefully not a Ferrari.

• 36:40Doug DeMuro?

  You should look up, you know what it looks just like? Look up the Maserati Kubang.

• 36:44Speaker 05

  Oh, I remember that.

• 36:45Doug DeMuro?

  You remember that?

• 36:46Speaker 05

  Yes, which the Q bang is the sound that that makes when the warranty runs.

• 36:50Doug DeMuro?

  The Maserati, this was an SUV concept Maserati had like way before they came out with the Levante. Like K U B A N G.

• 36:57Speaker 05

  K U B A. K U B.

• 36:59Doug DeMuro?

  Kubang is as he said.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  Bang.

• 37:02Doug DeMuro?

  Google that. That, this was a Maserati SUV concept. And honestly, the thing that the Ferrari thing that was driving around Maranello kinda looks like that.

• 37:09Speaker 06

  That's just a Grecoli or the, the normal one. The earlier concept is one we want.

• 37:14Doug DeMuro?

  This is, that's what, this is it.

• 37:16Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 37:17Doug DeMuro?

  You're talking about the Levante. No, this is, no.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  Filippo, go back to bed.

• 37:21Doug DeMuro?

  2011 Frankfurt. I agree. It looks more like that than I thought. The Levante was bigger and wider an SUV or this was like.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  Maybe they did use one of those. All the technology, but

• 37:30Doug DeMuro?

  Now Ferrari is not above using mules that have no bearing on pull up the 348.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  No.

• 37:37Doug DeMuro?

  This is the all time coolest thing. Sean, you know about this?

• 37:40Speaker 05

  Oh, this is great. So that

• 37:40Doug DeMuro?

  This is the all time coolest thing that's ever happened. This was a the Enzo test mule. They took the 348 and it was just

• 37:48Speaker 05

  And a 355 kind of and like they just slapped it together and they put

• 37:54Speaker 05

  There it is.

• 37:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's

• 37:54Speaker 05

  Clearly the Enzo V12.

• 37:56Doug DeMuro?

  Did they sell this in the end? I thought

• 37:58Speaker 05

  They did. I think they made three and they did sell one, I believe.

• 38:01Doug DeMuro?

  So they drove this around Maranelle or on Moden and they were like, oh yeah, we got a 348. But everybody knew they were working on a new supercar, but by putting it in a 348, you couldn't Honestly, it doesn't look bad. It's pretty cool. No, I know. It doesn't look bad. It's, it doesn't look bad.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. But this one, not as exciting as that one.

• 38:17Doug DeMuro?

  Can you, can you describe the sounds like it's like Doug famously uses monkey sounds in his videos?

• 38:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, it wasn't.

• 38:22Doug DeMuro?

  Is that the sound?

• 38:23Speaker 05

  It was no, yeah, or did it a long time ago. But yeah, it was, it wasn't that. It was kind of, I mean, it was an EV enginey sort of sound.

• 38:30Doug DeMuro?

  My only comment on this news story is we really should buy Ferraris now. I'm looking at Porsche. I'm looking at Ferrari. I'm seeing these companies. The future is bleak. And we should buy used Ferraris now because I see what's going to happen to the market. Just like, just like the market for those 2000s cars blew up when that all ended.

• 38:49Speaker 05

  I know.

• 38:49Doug DeMuro?

  This is a, this is a Ford Fusion. I mean, I, I'm not trying, like, I, it's just, this isn't a Ferrari. And if Ferrari wants to get into the SUV game and the four door hatchback game, that's, that's fine. They probably make more money and sell more cars. But like, there is a market of people for whom Ferrari will always be gated in a big engine, beautiful, Pininfarina designed, you know, Nicolas Cage era stuff.

• 39:11Speaker 05

  Nick, yes.

• 39:11Doug DeMuro?

  There was the Enzo era, then there was the Nicolas Cage era.

• 39:14Speaker 05

  Yes. Well, some of us say the look of the month is Enzo.

• 39:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  But you've got a great point. And that was the first thing I thought when I saw this is, and I've read some reports that the, their EV may come by the end of 2025 for the 26 model year from Ferrari. I mean, if they are, if, if it, if this is the point and this is what it's going to look like. It's terrifying. Again, the fact that there's, I accepted one four door Ferrari with the Pirro Song already.

• 39:39Doug DeMuro?

  I like, I like the Pirro Song. Ferrari's a public company. I mean, they gotta, they gotta, they gotta sell cars and make money.

• 39:43Speaker 05

  But do they, but sure, but do the customers who buy their cars, who prop up the company, want a?

• 39:48Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue that Ferrari would make the same argument that BMW made 20 years ago, which is, we need to find new customers. And we don't, yeah, we've, we're gonna lose the manual transmission rear wheel drive people, but like BMW has eight SUVs, right? Seven good ones and then the XM. And, and at the end of the day, like, they needed to go and they needed to ditch the ultimate driving machine and go find new people.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  But that's BMW, a company that builds normal cars. This is Ferrari, a company that builds sports cars.

• 40:17Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue, when I was a kid, BMW was known for building sporty cars.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  Well, sporty E. These are sports cars.

• 40:23Doug DeMuro?

  I understand, but what, but they made the transition is my point. It's, I'm not saying they're, they're making the same, I'm saying they were sporty cars and now they're primarily a crossover brand. Ferrari was sports cars and they, it's a public company. They want to increase, they want to increase sales. That, that means taking the brand and bastardizing it. And I hate to say it, but we have found out, we have found out with AMG and with BMW M and frankly with Maserati, that you can mess with historic heritage brands and have it not really hurt you all that much.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  Have it still so.

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  AMG, people made fun of me for the, my MyBok take, that I think they should do a MyBok line of Mercedes cars. It's inevitable. But, but they, and they're like, well, that would, that would water down the brand.

• 41:02Speaker 05

  Well, no.

• 41:02Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. They did it with AMG. It didn't water down anything.

• 41:04Speaker 05

  MyBok wasn't a historical, they were a brand that made cars in the twenties, went to funk for 70 years.

• 41:08Doug DeMuro?

  You're missing my point. My point is.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  I'm getting your point.

• 41:10Doug DeMuro?

  My point is, you can mess with these brands and still be okay. And as long as Ferrari keeps coming out with the SP3s and the SP4 and 5, whatever the future ones are, they probably have, they probably have cover to get away with dumb stuff like this. Porsche and the Cayenne. Porsche and the Cayenne.

• 41:24Speaker 05

  If you're ready, if you talk about a Ferrari that is going to depreciate like a stone, you think that?

• 41:29Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, first of all, I want to be clear. They don't care. We don't know that this is much to be a mule for the sounds, because they needed an EV to do it, whereas they use an existing EV. But the point, the point is still here and it's still clear. I, all I'm saying is, I agree with everything. And then this is why I think we should all go buy old Ferraris. But like, Porsche, the Macan, dude, I drive the Carrera GT, I get up next to a Macan, do you know how often they look over or give me a thumbs up?

• 41:48Speaker 06

  Literally never.

• 41:49Doug DeMuro?

  It has never occurred. I have never been next to a Macan. Two, two years, forty, forty-four miles on that car, I have never been next to a Macan.

• 41:56Speaker 06

  A lot of Macans.

• 41:56Doug DeMuro?

  All the time. I mean, at least one every time I drive the car. And they have never once given me a thumbs up or looked or taken a picture, anything like that.

• 42:02Speaker 06

  But I think it's gonna, it's a, it's gonna be a different.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  But I could see Ferrari having, you know, offered another car in terms of like the Purosangra, I don't, they don't bother me at all. Like that truly doesn't bother me. It's that they're gonna offer this type of car with an EV and lose the engine, which is the whole point of a Ferrari. Is the engine and the way it looks. That's all Ferrari has, I'm not done. All Ferrari has to do is look good and sound good. And this car does, I'm not done. This car does neither.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue that in today's world, all a Ferrari has to do is make money and make more money. And I, by the way, obviously I agree with you. I'm sitting here looking at 550 Maranello, I was thinking, hmm. But, but the new era of Ferrari is different than the era of Ferrari that we know and love. This, this is Ferrari now.

• 42:46Speaker 05

  May, maybe. I, I think we, I still, I still wanna see how Purosangra sells. I mean, the V12 one is very appealing.

• 42:52Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty well.

• 42:52Speaker 05

  But I think people are buying the V12 one because it's the V12 one and they know.

• 42:56Doug DeMuro?

  I think people are buying it because it's a Ferrari SUV. And I think at some point, you're gonna have to admit to yourself that today's Ferrari customers, much like BMW's customers when they expanded their lineup to seven good SUVs in the X.

• 43:05Speaker 06

  By the way, they have nine.

• 43:07Doug DeMuro?

  They have nine.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Nine SUVs.

• 43:08Doug DeMuro?

  Forgot about the iX. Oh, I love the iX.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Greatly still.

• 43:12Doug DeMuro?

  That, that, that the buyer is changing. The, the person who's buying these cars is simply changing. It's gonna be, it's people who want the brand, it's people who wanna show off, and Ferrari is more than happy to make a lot of cars at high profit margins that cater to them.

• 43:27Speaker 06

  Can't you imagine somebody who lives in London, you can only drive an EV in the center, they want, they have their other Ferraris, but they wanna have one for driving around town.

• 43:34Doug DeMuro?

  The Martin Signet of the Ferrari world.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  That's what's coming to mind.

• 43:37Doug DeMuro?

  But really, though, this is, this is, this is the future, my man. This is it. This is it. This is the, this is the end of, these brands are changing as, as we know them.

• 43:47Speaker 05

  I'm just gonna stay in the past.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  More exciting than.

• 43:50Doug DeMuro?

  No, it is. And, and I think, honestly, I think that anybody who stays in the past will be richly rewarded financially. I think that, that as the new Ferrari comes out and the brand still remains hot and exciting and all the athletes have them and all the celebrities have them. People are gonna look for the, for the past and say, oh, the Countaches, the, the Muras, the 550s, the, all these brands, right? It's true of all of them. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche as well, because now the GT3 RS has a giant wing and nobody cares how it drives. It, but the historical, people are now talking, okay, the, the rare stuff, the old stuff, the heritage, the history.

• 44:19Speaker 05

  I get, yeah, I guess, as a kid, I never thought I would ever turn my back on my favorite brand, which is Ferrari. Everybody thinks it's BMW, it's not.

• 44:26Doug DeMuro?

  You don't have to turn your back on it.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  I think I am, well, I think I am going to if they just build cars that are completely unappealing, which in my opinion, opinion, it is. It's not appealing to me. It's appealing to the people and their shareholders.

• 44:36Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, I think they're gonna continue, they have, their, their brand is very valuable to them and very important. I think they will continue making very special cars that you love, uh, like the SP3 and like the, like the 812. Things like that, or the 12-cylinder, as I call it.

• 44:49Speaker 06

  Gracias, señor.

• 44:51Speaker 05

  Gracias, mire.

• 44:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I, I, I think that they will still keep making those cars, but the future of the Ferrari brand is clear. And all these brands.

• 44:58Speaker 05

  Land.

• 44:59Doug DeMuro?

  They, they wanna make money. Look what the Urus did. It, it, every, how, every, every other Lamborghini now.

• 45:03Speaker 06

  We've accepted it now.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  If, I would, it used to be, I would be more okay with this if it meant that the Formula One team could do better because they have more money to pump in it. But guess what? They don't, they're joke and, uh, you know, the, the Formula, the F1 cost cap, they can't do it. I will say the last point on this, Italians, really known for their expertise in electronics. I'm sure it'll be a very reliable car, especially from a very reliable brand like Ferrari.

• 45:24Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we've gone way too far in the news.

• 45:25Speaker 06

  Way too far.

• 45:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's through everything very, else very quickly, but we will. Uh, starting with, let's talk about the SLK. Is it live right now?

• 45:31Speaker 06

  With the SLK is live.

• 45:33Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up. There's an SLK on the site right now that needs to be discussed.

• 45:36Speaker 06

  It really does.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  You're thinking to yourself, who, you know, SLK, why are we discussing SLK? Oh, because this one doesn't look like an SLK. It has the body of a Volkswagen Carmen Ghia.

• 45:44Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 45:45Doug DeMuro?

  Somebody, where is it located? Some sort of cold state, somebody somewhere, it's in Texas.

• 45:50Speaker 05

  Texas.

• 45:50Doug DeMuro?

  Somebody in Texas was like, hey.

• 45:52Speaker 06

  Right out of the cold state, you're good.

• 45:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, the trees are leaves are off the trees. Somebody's like, hey, here's an idea. And so the idea was to put a carbon gear body on an SLK and, and old wheels from an old that.

• 46:02Speaker 06

  And it kind of.

• 46:03Doug DeMuro?

  Mercedes.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  It has a hint of 190, like about like, or the, like the, like 300 SL era 190.

• 46:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  It has like some.

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  I hate to say it.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  It looks kind of good.

• 46:13Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty good.

• 46:14Speaker 05

  Now then, then you get to the interior and it's was.

• 46:17Speaker 06

  But isn't that what you want?

• 46:19Doug DeMuro?

  That is what you want. You want, I think this is the thing, everybody's always wants a vintage car. Everybody thinks they want a vintage car. They don't want a vintage car. They want a modern car. They want the look of a vintage car. This is that. This is cool.

• 46:30Speaker 06

  And it really is quite cool.

• 46:32Speaker 05

  It is.

• 46:32Speaker 06

  What a fascinating.

• 46:33Speaker 05

  Bizarre.

• 46:34Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely fascinating. It honestly looks pretty darn good. I, if I saw it on the street, I'd be like, huh. Yeah, it looks, it has a bit of the 190, the original 190 SL look to it, but just a coupe version. And honestly, with a little more flair.

• 46:45Speaker 05

  And like, there are kind of like some cobra in there too. It is like, it is, it's a cool little car.

• 46:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm into it.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  I'm into it too.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  This is the kind of thing I always hope that we get submitted on the site. Cause it's just bizarre. It's just so cool.

• 46:59Doug DeMuro?

  I featured it. Uh, I love it.

• 47:01Speaker 06

  It deserved to be.

• 47:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, Filippo, give us your update.

• 47:03Speaker 06

  Yeah. All right, unfortunately, we eventually the alert, uh, Luda's did last week, but somebody hit our station.

• 47:08Doug DeMuro?

  Somebody hit your car.

• 47:09Speaker 06

  Parked in front of our house, cause you know, my wife was home and, uh, somebody in a plumbing truck hit it. Uh, they owned up to it, although they were not insured. So that's interesting. Um, guess how much that, I've got a quote to repair.

• 47:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 47:25Speaker 06

  Guess how much it will cost?

• 47:26Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, $7,000.

• 47:27Speaker 06

  Okay, well, I told you this way.

• 47:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Did the, does the wheel part?

• 47:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's the wheel part of it is clearly damaged.

• 47:33Doug DeMuro?

  It was damaged, but Filippo did that earlier.

• 47:35Speaker 05

  Was module fall out of the car?

• 47:36Speaker 06

  Yes, that module, which is the blind spot sensor, fully fell out. That module alone with programming is $1,500.

• 47:42Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 47:42Speaker 06

  If.

• 47:43Speaker 05

  God.

• 47:43Doug DeMuro?

  You're doing taillight, you're doing bumper, this panel need to be replaced, I assume.

• 47:46Speaker 06

  It does not, thankfully it doesn't need to be replaced, cause that would be impossible.

• 47:49Doug DeMuro?

  Because replacing it, it's the one that goes all the way over, yeah.

• 47:52Speaker 06

  Uh, but it doesn't need to be pulled out at all, it needs to be repainted.

• 47:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 47:54Speaker 06

  Um, this car is worth.

• 47:58Speaker 06

  Fifteen to twenty thousand dollars.

• 48:00Doug DeMuro?

  Man.

• 48:00Speaker 06

  Fifteen to twenty.

• 48:01Doug DeMuro?

  So where we're at.

• 48:02Speaker 05

  Team love.

• 48:03Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 48:04Doug DeMuro?

  That is, that is the right number.

• 48:05Speaker 05

  Now worth fifteen to twenty after this.

• 48:07Speaker 06

  Oh. And a small accident where the, their truck, which is like a contract, like it's like a work truck, has like some scuffs on the side. That low speed impact, seven grand.

• 48:20Doug DeMuro?

  Seven grand, so.

• 48:21Speaker 06

  Newer cars, this is a ten year old car, but newer cars are so expensive.

• 48:24Doug DeMuro?

  This car was in an accident, what, eighteen months ago?

• 48:26Speaker 06

  A year.

• 48:28Doug DeMuro?

  A year and a month prior.

• 48:29Speaker 06

  So thirteen months ago it was hit, today it was hit, or last week.

• 48:32Doug DeMuro?

  And that one was like nine grand.

• 48:33Speaker 06

  Cause the headlights are really expensive.

• 48:34Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of money has gone into this car.

• 48:36Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, the.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  This is a tough two thousand twenty four.

• 48:38Speaker 06

  USA has, uh.

• 48:39Speaker 05

  For this car.

• 48:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was.

• 48:41Speaker 05

  I have to say, so it was seven thousand dollars to repair. It's like, and mostly due to the tail, the module.

• 48:47Speaker 06

  The, the taillight isn't that expensive, but everything, yeah, the module and program.

• 48:51Doug DeMuro?

  Module, there's probably other electronics under there.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  And we don't know.

• 48:53Doug DeMuro?

  Parking sensors are included.

• 48:54Speaker 06

  Goes up.

• 48:55Speaker 05

  The point I want to make with that is, is like, if, if it does, if the future is that all cars, we brag about their sensors and stuff, imagine how more, more expensive they're gonna be repaired. This is a car from a long time ago that is crazy.

• 49:06Doug DeMuro?

  Although, they won't have engines. You know, I was thinking about it the other day. Someday, people are gonna be like, and there were little explosions inside the, under, in the car? And that's how the car moved? People are gonna be like, what are you, what are you talking? Just like how we think about there are horses. Like, people have horses? In a hundred years, people are gonna be like, combustion, so there was a combustion?

• 49:30Speaker 06

  You lit your car on fire?

• 49:32Doug DeMuro?

  Like, there was fire in the, weren't cars catching on fire all the time? People are gonna be astonished.

• 49:37Speaker 06

  Yes, but only till like the nineties, then we saw.

• 49:39Speaker 05

  I mean, I think we're multiple generations removed from having, but it will happen.

• 49:42Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, it's multiple. There's gonna be gas powered cars.

• 49:45Speaker 06

  Not, not for the average.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Okay, people born today will experience gasoline powered cars.

• 49:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, well, that's twenty years from now.

• 49:51Speaker 06

  Fine, fine.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  You know what I'm saying? You know how time works?

• 49:54Speaker 06

  One full generation.

• 49:57Doug DeMuro?

  One full generation.

• 49:59Speaker 06

  There was something I was gonna say about this, oh, one of our coworkers, who used to be an insurance adjuster, told me a story about how when the Audi Q5 and Q7 started doing like blind spot monitoring, it was in the mirror. So, and, so when somebody like hit your mirror, which happens, you have to replace it. And then you have to do a full alignment for that technology to work. So anytime somebody hit your mirror and you have to replace it, it was many thousands of dollars.

• 50:23Doug DeMuro?

  Because of those sensors.

• 50:23Speaker 05

  They've gotten better, right? Like that's like a simply replaceable part. But it's yikes indeed.

• 50:29Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta go on to the market report.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  As always, the

• 50:30Doug DeMuro?

  If, by the way, you want to buy a heavily damaged Mercedes, I don't have to fix it. Let me know. The market report is, as always, brought to us by the Cars and Bids app, which is located on your smartphone.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  If you have an Apple device.

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  If you have an Apple device and if you've downloaded the app, you have to have done both.

• 50:45Speaker 05

  And you should.

• 50:46Doug DeMuro?

  I only want to talk about one market report car, which is BMW 1M. Then we'll move on to questions. We sold the 1M the other day for $50,500 and it had miles. What was the miles? It had 63,000 miles and it had been used.

• 50:58Speaker 05

  Some mods.

• 50:59Doug DeMuro?

  And it had some mods. And one of the things that I'm interested in with this car is that it remains tremendously valuable.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  It does.

• 51:05Doug DeMuro?

  And the thing that's interesting to me about it is that it remains tremendously valuable despite the fact that the M2 comes out, has come out and is obviously better. It's more powerful, it's more fun, it's more, you know, throw it around. And there's an M2CS and there's an M2 Competition and those cars are excellent. They're better in every way, but this is, this car's an interesting proof of special wins at the end of the day.

• 51:24Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 51:24Doug DeMuro?

  Special wins out over

• 51:27Speaker 05

  So I'm actually going, I'm flying to Arizona to review one tomorrow that has about 2,500 miles on a really, really special car. But one of the things, yes, special wins. I mean, there just aren't that many rare modern production BMWs. And like from a collector perspective, it's like, this is a wonderful car to drive. It was cemented its reputation as being lauded by journalists in its time. So much so that they ended up producing way more than they thought they were going to and built 6,300 of these. And, and also available, only available in three colors. It has lore around it that then gave birth to cars that sure are better. But then they just produced lots of those because the man was there. But this was a special car. And at the time was revered as it's part of that analog era of the E9XM3, which was an awesome car to drive, the E60M5, which was an awesome car to drive.

• 52:10Speaker 05

  This falls in that era and it's like, it's the collectible one of them all due to its production numbers.

• 52:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and it's precious numbers. And also, like you said, the lore, the specialness, et cetera. Because on paper, an M2 or an M2CS or an M2 Comp is a better car.

• 52:22Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 52:23Doug DeMuro?

  But this car and its continued value holding is proof that special is a bigger determinant than, than good. And this annoys me every time someone's like, Don't you know the such and such car drives like crap. It's like, dude, don't ever drive a 250 GTO.

• 52:36Speaker 05

  Right. And you love to make that example. And that is, that is, I mean, yeah, 250 GTO is a, it's an old race car that there are a lot of cars that are faster than it, but there aren't two, they aren't 250 GTOs.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  They aren't more special. And this car is proving, proving me wrong. You know, I love this car when it came out. I tried to get one. Uh, and I tried to get a used one for a long time. Then the M2 came out and I drove them too. And I was like, you know, the M2 is better. I think I'll just pass on the 1M. And I don't know. I mean, the markets can, can still considers this. Meanwhile, pull up what M2s are selling for, which have more power. Right. Is that true? Can you get them in the twenties already? I don't know. Yes. Look at that. They're already, they're already in the high twenties with it, with a tip. I mean, it's interesting. It's an interesting conversation. Like at the end of the day, special wins.

• 53:17Speaker 05

  Special wins. I have often thought about getting a 1M. I love that car. I always thought it was cool.

• 53:21Doug DeMuro?

  I've often thought about getting a Mark IV. Have you considered a 135i for literally a quarter of the price?

• 53:25Speaker 05

  I like special.

• 53:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that, that's exactly the problem. I know. You don't think, you don't think in the way that 10 and I think. You think I'm not self-aware? No, I, I don't think I'm self-aware about this. I think you think about cost. I think you think about cost and enterprise, and I think that special thinks about special and special spend. Okay, uh, let's move on to the questions. Remember, you too can submit your questions to us. You go to carsandbids.com, you click the community tab at the top of the page, and there will be a post there and it says, ask your questions, and then we'll answer the most highly upvoted questions. Yes, we will. Every week. Yep. First question from Never Use Blinkers. What are your thoughts on Resto mod cars? Well, we just covered that SLK, so.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  There are, there's, yeah, I think generally they're, they're cool. Um, I think a lot of the time you're, sometimes you're ruining a classic to make a, to make a, a better car or a, a modern car. And I'm not necessarily into that. Car survived a long time. I'm, I'm more of a preservationist, like restorations. But for the use case scenario, being able to drive something cool that, you know, will start every time, that will drive admittedly probably better than the, the classic, like, it is really appealing.

• 54:29Doug DeMuro?

  I love them all. And I don't care if they were a classic. I love a Resto mod. I've seen 300 SLs get ruined. I'm here for it. I love Resto mods. I think the concept of an old car on a new car, frame, interior, chassis, powertrain, electric, I love it. I love it.

• 54:45Speaker 05

  You hit the nail on the ones I'm most excited about. I love the EV Resto mods for cars that are like luxury cars with EV powertrains. Because luxury cars were never about the engine. It's not about that experience. It's about quiet.

• 54:55Doug DeMuro?

  Or the Volkswagen buses or cars like that.

• 54:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, like where the engine is just kind of there. It wasn't necessarily.

• 55:00Doug DeMuro?

  Or the 356.

• 55:03Doug DeMuro?

  Let's be honest.

• 55:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:04Doug DeMuro?

  Let's sit here and be honest with ourselves.

• 55:05Speaker 05

  I would be fine ruining a couple three fifty picks. We ruined all, they're all ruined in my mind.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  I mean, I have, I have good news for you about what happened in the last day.

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 55:13Speaker 06

  Oh, there were a lot of them caught on fire.

• 55:15Speaker 05

  The fire killed off a lot of the bad ones.

• 55:17Speaker 06

  I think there were a lot of three fifty picks.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next question from in the can. What was the outcome of the $18,000 car challenge giveaway? Which car did the winner pick? We're going to have content on this in a little bit, but we're going to have an actual video about this, the giveaway, who won, what happened. But the quick short answer is Michael in Colorado won and he chose the C6, which astonished us all.

• 55:36Speaker 05

  Correctly so.

• 55:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, we assumed any winner would take the M5. They didn't. And so now we are going to sell on cars and bids, the M5 and the Cayenne Turbo. And Kenan told me he's going to take the steering wheel from the M5 and swap it with his steering wheel.

• 55:47Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no. We've talked about this. We were taking photos.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  I think I'm going to take it. But it, it, but nonetheless, I, I am, yeah, I, I'm sad. I'm sad that he didn't pick the M5, but this, I mean, I understand if you already, if you want a sports car, that is the only sports car, as you said many times.

• 56:07Speaker 06

  It is the sports car.

• 56:08Speaker 05

  Um, but you know, I'll get to spend more time with that E395 around. It's nice.

• 56:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Dooj's 12. Doug, has there ever been any car that you filmed only to never release the video? If so, what cars and reasons not filming? No, not really. Uh, I, when I go shoot, I make sure that, that content goes up. I don't lose a shooting day.

• 56:28Speaker 06

  I'm checking on what car. There were cars that you intended to shoot, but didn't get to, but they were generally more boring.

• 56:32Doug DeMuro?

  I have been sitting on a Saturn SL for like 16 months though, Drew. I'm waiting for the right time.

• 56:37Speaker 06

  And I'm excited for that video.

• 56:38Doug DeMuro?

  I'm waiting to slot this.

• 56:39Speaker 06

  Is this like purposely to like anger me? Cause I want to see that.

• 56:41Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. So, so these days I shoot two types of videos. I shoot brand new cars that have just come out that are like hot and exciting. And then I shoot cars for the site.

• 56:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:49Doug DeMuro?

  The Saturn SL, uh, I shot because a guy who was, you know, I shot that actually in the fall of 21. Now that I think about it, I shot it, but I shot it in the fall of 21.

• 56:59Speaker 06

  You're right.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, the guy who, um, was, he was selling a 430 Scuderia on the site and he happened to have a mint Saturn SL also. And I was like, you know, I wouldn't mind shooting the Saturn too. And so I did, uh, and I'm just waiting for the right time. I'm just waiting till like. Every day is the right time for a patternized cell video.

• 57:17Doug DeMuro?

  No, but the answer is no. I, I, when I shoot, it goes up. There are exceptions probably over the years, but like very few, very few. Next question from Car Dreamer. Question from Doug. You recently did some renovations to your house, which included your garage. You've mentioned how you have more space for cars now. Uh, can you do an updated tour? Yeah, I guess. It's not that interesting. There's a, there's a garage. There's cars.

• 57:41Doug DeMuro?

  Youtuber garage tours. It's like, yeah, you know, here's the sink. And it's like, well,

• 57:45Speaker 06

  What Doug actually did was he bought Stradman's house.

• 57:47Doug DeMuro?

  Here's the sink. There's the sink. Um, you know, I have that hose bib in my garage. Do you think I could drink out of that?

• 57:54Speaker 00

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• 58:53Speaker 05

  Well, you, you told me all the water in your house is filtered.

• 58:56Doug DeMuro?

  The water's filtered, but like it comes out of a metal hose. Is that a problem? That's fine. Oh, all right.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  Is the, is the fitting made of lead? I don't think it'll be a problem.

• 59:04Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Well, listen, dude, you think I know? I don't know anything. Ken and I both don't think you do.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  Be an adult and use the sink.

• 59:12Doug DeMuro?

  That's so far away. Cause there's not a sink in the garage. So far away. I'm not like the other Youtubers.

• 59:15Speaker 05

  A set of stairs. Get some steps in.

• 59:16Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next question, and this is a really good one.

• 59:20Doug DeMuro?

  For Kenan from Walsh, what's the story behind the seagull? Someone has gone on to, I guess it's your LinkedIn.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  My LinkedIn, yeah.

• 59:29Doug DeMuro?

  And there's a pic, we'll put it up. There's a picture of you, your profile picture is you in front of exotic cars, great. But then the headline picture is a seagull.

• 59:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, Kenan, you and I aren't connected. It's flying to the, uh, oh.

• 59:41Doug DeMuro?

  Take that one.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  Uh, it's flying to the, yeah, so a couple of reasons. One, I did take that picture myself.

• 59:48Doug DeMuro?

  You took a picture of a seagull, wow.

• 59:49Speaker 05

  In Pacific Beach, yeah, I was able to, I was like tracking it and I was able to get a picture, like that perfect picture with my camera. And I took it at the time because my, I posted it on LinkedIn at the time because my ambition was to move to California and it was flying west and I took it here. And so that was the, like, the reason I posted the seagull. And I thought it was a great picture. And everybody's like, I didn't want to put like more cars because I didn't know at the time if like cars was necessarily the industry I was going to work in.

• 1:00:11Doug DeMuro?

  But seagulls.

• 1:00:12Speaker 05

  Obviously it became the industry, hence the, uh, the profile picture.

• 1:00:15Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  But that was, that's the story behind the seagull on my LinkedIn page. Which I haven't updated in a long time.

• 1:00:20Doug DeMuro?

  That is interesting and that's useful. And it's interesting because the seagull, like, you haven't updated in a long time because you did move to California, you did get a real job, you're doing, and you're working. And so you don't have time to update the seagull. And so that's actually a good thing, I would argue.

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  I think the seagull will stay probably forever.

• 1:00:34Doug DeMuro?

  The seagull proved itself.

• 1:00:36Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:00:36Speaker 05

  It did, it was a great picture.

• 1:00:38Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question from Alec Metz 2011. Why haven't you reviewed a Suzuki X90 yet? Okay, here's the deal.

• 1:00:44Speaker 06

  That's a great question.

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  I only review cars now, uh, two types of reviews. I may have mentioned this five minutes ago. I don't know if we're gonna make the pot. I do two types of reviews, new cars and cars that are on the site. Uh, and so as a result of that, I, the cars that I, that go up, that I, that are used cars, that are older cars are on the site.

• 1:01:03Speaker 06

  Except for one of them's a Saturn SL.

• 1:01:04Doug DeMuro?

  Except for that one Saturn SL. Um, and so, so I don't actually have a lot of choice. I have a list, I would say a list of 400 older cars that I'm looking to review at any given time. And from there, it just becomes a question of what happens to pop up in Southern California on the site. And so the Lexus SC300, the Cadillac Quatera, the Z3 Coupe, there's a few of these that have either just gone up or about to go up. And so, because they were here and they're on the site. An X90 hasn't popped up for whatever reason.

• 1:01:31Speaker 06

  If you have one in Southern California.

• 1:01:32Doug DeMuro?

  If you have an X90 in SoCal and you want to sell it and it's in good shape and ideally it's either purple or has the base wheel.

• 1:01:39Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:01:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'll take the alloy, but the base wheel.

• 1:01:42Speaker 06

  You're so right.

• 1:01:43Doug DeMuro?

  The base wheel on the X90 was objectionable. I mean, it was objectionable. It's like they were making fun of the people who are buying the car. And frankly, the whole car was like that.

• 1:01:50Speaker 06

  And if you own one, don't be offended.

• 1:01:52Doug DeMuro?

  Just pull up the X90 base wheel. Go to the site. I think we've sold a few. No, no, no, just type in X90.

• 1:01:57Speaker 06

  Did we not sell one by our friend Myron Vernis?

• 1:01:59Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, Myron Vernis sold. That, but that's not the right wheel.

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  No, it's not the right wheel.

• 1:02:04Doug DeMuro?

  Get out of this one. Uh, these all have the alloy.

• 1:02:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:08Doug DeMuro?

  Alloy stuff. You gotta go to the, go to the Google. Go to the Google.com. Suzuki X90. Base wheel.

• 1:02:15Speaker 06

  Quite something.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  I had to look that up because I was a line I wanted to send to him. X90 base wheel.

• 1:02:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, you, I don't think this is gonna happen. You gotta type in Suzuki, my friend.

• 1:02:24Speaker 05

  Well, actually, for once, I have to type in the whole term.

• 1:02:28Doug DeMuro?

  I also think that.

• 1:02:29Speaker 05

  Do you have to do X dash nine?

• 1:02:31Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no, no, it's this, it's this, go to images. It's this wheel, this, this three spoke wheel. Come terrible.

• 1:02:36Speaker 06

  Did, do any actually exist with those wheels still on it?

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, no. Okay, next question.

• 1:02:41Speaker 05

  That is.

• 1:02:41Doug DeMuro?

  But anyway, the answer is I will, at some point I'll review one. It's the same reason I haven't reviewed a twin turbo through Z32 yet. Like ultimately just, this hasn't come up on the site in SoCal, but it will and I'll get there. And my long list of cars slowly gets whittled away. If I do, every month I probably do eight, nine car reviews and five of them are new cars. So four every month are older cars. And so 50 a year, it's just whittling, whittling, whittling.

• 1:03:03Speaker 06

  Adding a quick plug right now.

• 1:03:05Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 1:03:05Speaker 06

  One of those older cars is a 987 Cayman that you reviewed. That's going live yesterday.

• 1:03:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:03:11Speaker 06

  And that's sold by one of our producers.

• 1:03:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, our producer has a Cayman on the site and I don't know if I've ever done a 987 video, but regardless, those cars have become such deals, I felt like it had to happen.

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  They are, I love, I drove it for a video on Cars and Beds and it's such a nice one, car.

• 1:03:24Doug DeMuro?

  Such a nice car. It is so good. I drove that and the NA Miata back to back on separate days.

• 1:03:28Speaker 06

  What a day or two days.

• 1:03:29Doug DeMuro?

  Both of them, both of them are so, are exactly the same. They're, they're, they're radically, radically underpowered and unbelievably amazing to drive.

• 1:03:38Speaker 06

  The Cayman is not radically underpowered. I enjoy a car that I can literally floor through several.

• 1:03:42Doug DeMuro?

  The S was, was better. You can still floor the S, but it's just more powerful. Question for Kenan, next question, question from Tom Tinker, Tom Tinker. Question for Kenan, would you rather take ownership of Hoovy's entire garage, including the Veyron, or let Filippo choose 10 cars for you to buy and own? That's easy.

• 1:03:59Speaker 05

  So easy. Who don't get to choose anything from me? I would absolutely choose all of Hoovy's cars.

• 1:04:04Doug DeMuro?

  I'm a nice person. I would choose cars.

• 1:04:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you have bad taste. I would choose all of Hoovy's cars because they're, I personally, Tyler Hoover is the king of 04 rich, generally. And I like his taste in cars, generally. I like a lot of the cars that he has. It's always been a wonderful academic curiosity because I'm too afraid to own most of the cars he has, including the Veyron, obviously. But yes, maybe the spirit of the question is, would you be afraid to take care of those kind of cars? But like, I would way rather do that than drive the mundane, boring, pointless, just pedestrian stuff that you would pick for me.

• 1:04:42Doug DeMuro?

  Can you add more P's into that?

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  I'm sure I can't. Poor. Just outright poor choices.

• 1:04:49Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Cyrus S. Who is the best tennis player? Filippo Kenan and I play tennis together every morning, every single morning, including this morning.

• 1:04:56Speaker 05

  Well, a group of us play together, but yeah, you and Doug is the best, Filippo's second best.

• 1:05:01Doug DeMuro?

  For now.

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  I'm there.

• 1:05:02Doug DeMuro?

  For now. For now. I'm the best. I, we've all, Filippo and I started the same time, basically, three years ago, and I have taken, I initially was just doing it for exercise, and then like everything in my life, I started taking it very seriously.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  And Doug have taken it? Which he said, he said, I won't do this because I'll ruin it. Well, you've ruined it.

• 1:05:20Doug DeMuro?

  Meanwhile, some of us just show up and play. I still have a lot of fun.

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  It is fun.

• 1:05:23Doug DeMuro?

  Next question.

• 1:05:23Speaker 05

  Slowly going down.

• 1:05:25Doug DeMuro?

  Next, yeah. Next question from Talon Pat. What happened to the monkey noise that you used to play over silly quirks and features in your other videos? Will you ever bring it back? Yeah, if Nick is here, Nick, I gotta bring back the monkey noises. I used to do it when I edited my own videos, and I think Nick doesn't want to take weird liberties like that, but I didn't care all that much when I was doing it. But yeah, okay, well, we'll do a couple more monkey noises. Okay, last question.

• 1:05:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:48Doug DeMuro?

  Last question, two last questions, actually, two last questions. From BBB914, Doug, how often do you go back through the Doug score chart and update categories like styling value, cool factor, based on recent developments in the car market? I want to be very clear about this. When I launched the Doug score in 2017, I said I would be constantly changing the scores because a car that gets a 10 in features when it's six years old no longer deserves a 10 in features. I still do that all the time. So people are like, oh, my Doug score was this. It's like, well, today it is, but like I change them literally every week. Every single week I'm adjusting the Doug score. So it happens all the time. So don't get a vanity plate with your Doug score.

• 1:06:20Speaker 06

  Although if you want a point in time, you can go to merch. carthobes.com and buy a couple of shirts that have the current Doug score.

• 1:06:25Doug DeMuro?

  The current Doug score that will not be the Doug score forever. Uh, final question, final question from Chris X. Do you believe there will ever come a time when the 997, 911 significantly rises in value like the 964 and 993 have, or did the 996 break the chain? The answer is no, there will never become that time. Anyway, thanks everybody.

• 1:06:43Speaker 06

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Already specific subsets of the 997 market have proven that they've retained value very differently than the 996.

• 1:06:52Doug DeMuro?

  I'll amend my response to Chris X. No, except for the GT3 RS 4.0. Anyway, good night, everybody.

• 1:06:58Speaker 06

  No, the turbo you feel is the 993 turbo of our generation. The turbo has retained value in a way that the 996 turbo has very much not.

• 1:07:05Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:07:05Speaker 06

  And, and a lot of other ones have retained value. Like the 991 is about to depreciate past the 997 for specific subsets.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  No. No, I agree, actually. Certain versions, of course, but that's true of every car. But I think he's, the general question that he's asking is, will it happen? Because even the regular 964s and 993s have. Anybody can predict the GT3s and the RSs and the special cars will go up. Obviously it's going to happen. Will the regular ones? No. Is the production number difference? The 996 broke the chain only in the sense that Porsche, when they came out with the 996 in 1997, 98, decided to become a real company.

• 1:07:36Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:07:36Doug DeMuro?

  Previous to this, Porsche was not a real company. They were, they were a hobbyist garage. I'm not entirely joking here. And so in 98, they were like, you know, we either have to remain a hobbyist garage and probably be bought by a company.

• 1:07:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Doug DeMuro?

  Or we have to like, start doing.

• 1:07:53Speaker 06

  The options were go bankrupt or sell cars.

• 1:07:55Doug DeMuro?

  Go bankrupt or sell cars.

• 1:07:56Speaker 06

  And they chose to sell cars.

• 1:07:57Doug DeMuro?

  Really, it was buy out or sell cars. And, and, and give up to Mercedes or Volkswagen. And they decided to sell cars.

• 1:08:04Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:08:04Doug DeMuro?

  And so the, the reason the 997 will never go up is because the, the production number difference is just absolutely astronomical.

• 1:08:11Speaker 06

  Although in addition to the air cold, water cold thing, it's just incredibly different. I feel like regular 993s and 994s are down a little bit.

• 1:08:19Doug DeMuro?

  They're down.

• 1:08:20Speaker 06

  They're down.

• 1:08:20Doug DeMuro?

  Cabs in particular. But they, but they are up compared to, I mean, when I, when I was looking in 10, you could buy one for 30, that's, that's no longer the case.

• 1:08:26Speaker 06

  But a 993 cab and a 997S cab are the same price?

• 1:08:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 1:08:33Doug DeMuro?

  Is that something?

• 1:08:33Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  The 997 is still dropping.

• 1:08:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Doug DeMuro?

  And I don't think it's ever going to go up. Listen, there was a time when a regular 993 was like a 90 car. And I think those prices have come down, but there will never be a time when a base model, regular 997, maybe some late point twos with a stick and nice shape and nice color, blah, blah, blah.

• 1:08:50Speaker 06

  Six dot two.

• 1:08:50Doug DeMuro?

  But a general car is just, it's just, there's too many of them.

• 1:08:53Speaker 06

  But just great. I think it's fine. It's, it's a wonderful car to buy and own. And like, I, I think it's fine.

• 1:08:58Doug DeMuro?

  That's a good point. It is great. It's, it's, it's nice that it remains accessible.

• 1:09:01Speaker 06

  I do think they have more potential than some later ones. I can't like, than, a regular one has more potential to increase than a, a dot two 997 than like a 991 dot one.

• 1:09:10Doug DeMuro?

  Dot twos will be the special. If it ever happens, it'll be a special.

• 1:09:13Speaker 06

  911s, the last, the N8911s. So who knows? That might have something.

• 1:09:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's a GP. KR. Okay. Thank you everyone for watching another absolutely fantastic podcast. It was my best one ever. Philippe.

• 1:09:24Speaker 06

  Oh, sure.

• 1:09:25Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm kidding. Best podcast of all time. Thank you for watching. Good night and good luck.

• 1:09:30Speaker 06

  Good day, actually. Good luck with that. Five minutes.

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