#2495 - Tim Burchett

Tim Burchett represents Tennessee’s 2nd District and is a member of the Republican Party. Rep. Burchett is a member of the UAP Caucus, chairman of the DOGE Subcommittee, and serves on the House Committees on Oversight and Government Reform, Foreign Affairs, and Transportation and Infrastructure.www.uapcaucus.comwww.youtube.com/@congressmantimburchett2448https://burchett.house.gov Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET, (800) 327-5050 or visit https://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit https://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/PR/WY). Void in ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new DraftKings customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $100 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 5/31/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Joe Rogan?

  Show you my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day. Good to see you, sir.

• 0:14Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me, brothers. Big honor.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. An honor for me, too. Very excited about this. Very excited to talk to you. There's so many different things to discuss. So, do you know what is going to be released? So supposedly, this is the week of some kind of disclosure. Can you give us any insight as to what's going on?

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Oddly enough, I got a call that tomorrow at 3 o'clock, I'm gonna be briefed over the phone by, I think, one of Hedgesith's top dogs is gonna go over some stuff with me that they've got, and I have no earthly idea. I don't want everybody to get their hopes up. I don't have a lot of faith in our government. President Trump's always been great to me. He's never lied to me, but I don't know that he knows the right questions to ask and the right people to talk to, because, I mean, this thing's been covered up at least since 1947, and I just don't think they're gonna... They don't give up that easy. The war pimps at the Pentagon and everybody else, they just don't give up that easy.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  How did you come to understand all this stuff? Like, what was your understanding of it before you got into government?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  I had pretty cool parents. Right now, they would... Daddy was an old WWII Marine, and Mama flew an airplane during the Second World War. I mean, they were...

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  They were badasses. Then they were good Christian people, but my daddy was a Stone Cold Killer. I mean, he was the real deal. He was on Peleliu and Okinawa in the Marine Corps, and, of course, Mama's oldest brother, Roy, got killed fighting the Nazis, and Mama did her part, just a little country girl, didn't have electricity till she's a senior in high school. So, I've kinda lived the American dream, but they would let me, you know, they'd let me get bloodied up, and then they would patch me up and let me go. You know, I could ride my bike to the library, or the library, if you're from East Tennessee. And... And it was, you know, about a mile from the house and they'd go in there and they'd have these books set up and they had all this stuff on, you know, this wild stuff.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  And there's a book on UFOs and I just picked it up and started reading it. I probably wasn't, I don't know, seven or eight years old. And I just always followed it, you know, the magazine articles and I'd go out at night and hope to see a UFO. Never did, never have, until some of the briefings I've been in. But, and then I'm walking down the street and can I mention another news source?

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Okay, I was walking down the street and TMZ was, there was a guy there, this black fellow, his name's Colin, he's a buddy of mine, he doesn't work for them anymore, but he was filming and he said, "Hey Congressman," he said, "you want me to comment on the UFO thing?" He couldn't get anybody to comment. And I said, "Well, sure." I said, "They're gonna issue, tell you they're gonna issue your report and it's gonna be loaded and everybody's freaking out. It's gonna be the greatest thing. It's gonna be total disclosure. And then they're gonna put something out that looks like somebody shot it with a dad gum 12 gauge. It's just gonna have holes and it's all redacted." And I said, "And they're not gonna put it out this week. It'll be weeks later." And that's exactly what they did. They had a report, I felt like had some information in that was new to the public

• 3:24Speaker 02

  and, and they did what they always do. They hid it, covered it up. And then everybody saw that interview and I said on it, I said,

• 3:36Joe Rogan?

  That's the one we were talking about, bases in the ocean?

• 3:39Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, a different one. This is totally different. This is just out on the street corner. And then I started getting calls from people literally all over the world. I mean, I've talked to legislators in Russia over this issue and then people, people start, just stop me on street corners and say, "Hey, man, I really appreciate you going for disclosure." I have doctors tell me this, I have lawyers, engineers, I have military people that have seen things that they can't describe. I've had members of Congress, you know, there's a few bullies in Congress, they'll make fun of me and say smart aleck stuff, but put it out there to your people. It's over 55% of the American population feels like we're not alone. I mean, seriously, you go out there and look at those Every night, my dogs, they gotta take a leak. They never want to take a leak at like nine o'clock.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  It's always three o'clock in the morning. I look at those dad gum stars, man, and the light from those stars left there before the time of Christ. And the light from some of those stars, the stars have already combusted. I mean, they're not even there anymore. You know, light years to us is something that's hard to understand. And we are more, we are just, you know, one grain of sand on a billion beaches. And I still don't think we're the best that God can do. You know, I just can't imagine we're His shining. We're the one they put on the mantle. Oh, look, He made humans. Well, you know, we've kind of screwed things up. So, you know, and I, and I read my Bible, and a lot of the Christian folks knock me. They talk about it's demons.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  And I say, well, I'm good with Jesus. I'm not worrying about demons. I'm not going to worry about that. I don't think they're demons. I don't, why would they? They don't have to fly around in some craft to, you know, it's just, to me, it's, it's hard to imagine. But the, um, the underwater thing was I was, I was getting briefed by, and it was a former admiral came into my office. And Joe, it was, um, it was a very friendly conversation, and I'm always a little couched because, or a little, I hold back a little bit because I think there's a psy-op going on with some of these departments. I was briefed by one of our alphabet agencies not long ago, and the final thing was, somebody said, well, why haven't we got more information? He says, we just don't have the funding for that, Congressman.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  And, you know, it's a, and I know they're reading the polling data, and they're saying, you know, well, let's shake loose the money tree for us. And that's, that's part of it, too. And I warn people about that. But,

• 6:04Speaker 02

  I guess in a nutshell, that's pretty much it.

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  So, when you first got in, how long you been in government for?

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Oh, well, eight years in, in Congress. I was in our state legislature in Tennessee, sixteen years. And then I was county mayor for eight years.

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  So, was it when you got into Congress that you first started getting inside information about what's going on?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  So, that was, was that eight years ago? Or like, when was that?

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Nah, it's probably six years ago, five or six. Let's see. It was during Trump's first administration. So, it would have been about eight years ago.

• 6:32Joe Rogan?

  And do you remember what it was? Do you remember how you were introduced to it?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. We raised, we just raised total hell about it.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Because it's a cover up. Nobody would give us information.

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  What made you think it was a cover up? Why did you think that there was information?

• 6:48Speaker 02

  I guess I just don't trust the government. I've been in government most of my life and I just don't trust it.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  I understand that, but like, was there something that led you to want to pursue this particular subject?

• 6:58Speaker 02

  No, just, it kind of pursued me. After I did that TMZ interview, people started calling me and then people would, um, I would get phone calls from people.

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  But the TMZ interview was fairly recently, right?

• 7:08Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  No, it wasn't?

• 7:10Speaker 02

  That was, that was one that was, that was, that was what started it all. It was seven or eight years ago. I'm sorry.

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay, okay.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  I didn't explain that very well.

• 7:16Joe Rogan?

  So, so then, so, but you had an interest from the time you were a child? And then getting into government, what was like the first introduction where you had an idea that there's something going on?

• 7:29Speaker 02

  When I started asking questions and, um, and we just get to run around.

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• 10:23Speaker 02

  Like, um, what is, what is this? Where are you seeing these things? And we would get people, I would, I had, I had an interesting meeting in my office with some people that were nationally known and they came by to see me and they just wanted to talk to me about it. And I was, um, and they started telling me things. And then I had a group come to my house. I said, y'all just come by the office in DC and we'll talk. And they said, we don't feel comfortable doing that. And they came by the house and they said, can we hook up to your television? And I said, well, sure. You know, and they hooked up the computer to it and they were showing me, um, they were showing me objects that were flying at, and.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Granted, I'm not a, you know, I'm not an astrophysicist by any stretch of imagination, but they were showing me things that were flying at, at speeds that were just, that nothing compares and the, and the angles that they were taking would literally, and I've said this before and it grosses people out, but it would turn you or me into a ketchup package. I mean, we, you know, you go this way and then boom, you're going this way. And we have no, no capability of any of it. And now I've been briefed so many times from, on, in different, different groups, um, you know, we've, we scrub missions because these things are out there. We, um, and then we tell everybody that's involved to keep your mouth shut. And then if you're a pilot and you come back and say, hey, I've seen this,

• 11:51Speaker 02

  you immediately pulled off the flight line. I'm not a pilot or military person, but flight line, um, is what I call it. They're not able to fly and they're given a psych evaluation and they're given an eight hour, they call it a debriefing. It's, I've been told by some of the officers that have been involved, it's really just an interrogation. And then you got that hanging on your record.

• 12:10Joe Rogan?

  So it influences them to stop?

• 12:12Speaker 02

  They just keep their mouth shut. I literally had a guy tell me, Joe, that he, um, he said his, um, um, recorder, it was an older style plane and he said, I think he said it was close to his right knee. And when he got that on his recorder, he started smashing it with his right knee to discombobulate it. So that it wasn't even, because he didn't want anything, he did not need it. He saw it. He didn't need it in, in, on his record. Even if he saw it and it was on a dad gum tape, they, they drag you in. And so, you know, myself, Luna and, um, Matt Gates went down to Florida to be, um, briefed by, uh,

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Matt was told that some, some pilots had seen some things and they had some photographs. And so we go down there and, and again, we go in, I told Matt, I said, Matt, they don't give up this stuff easy. We're going to go down there and I have a bad feeling they're going to turn us or out, turn us out. Well, we went down there and Joe, they briefed us on some very, uh, Very serious issues that they were dealing with, with the Chinese and communist infiltration and things going on around Florida and the ocean. But they didn't ever have the, they wouldn't bring the pilots in. Matt said, "Hey, I understand all this, but this is not why we came down here."

• 13:36Speaker 02

  And Matt, you can say what you want to about Matt Gaetz, but he's a great orator and he's a great attorney, and he just started flailing on them. And he told them, he said, "Here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna jerk me around." And they said, "I'm gonna subpoena you all, and we're gonna call y'all back to Washington." And I remember looking over in the corner at the suits, and I said, and I called them spooks, because they were obviously some sort of military intelligence or CIA. And I leaned over to Matt and I said, "The spooks are getting nervous, brother." Because they were kinda shifting around. And they shut us down. I said, "No, we're not gonna do it." And Matt said, "I'm calling whoever big air force was." He, Matt, was on the, on one of the military committees, and he called.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  And an hour later, they stuck us up in this room and had microphones under the desk. I remember Luna reached under and unplugged them. And they had a nice fruit tray that you paid for at taxpayers. Thank you very much. So I went and did like a jackass eating Saul Breyer's. I was just eating, I didn't care. And so, finally, I came back in an hour, and the guy says, "I don't know who you all called, but you're gonna get your briefing, they're bringing the pilots in." And literally, they brought these pilots in, and they were in their flight gear, and they had just come out of the planes. And they were the ones, and they described things, and it's been reported now, it's been reported in public, but it was these craft that were hovering for extended periods

• 15:06Speaker 02

  of times and could shoot straight up at incredible speeds that we don't have capabilities of doing. And those are the kind of thing, and too, they're... This was military people. These were top people. These are like the equivalent, not, you know, they're just some of our top people. And I know folks are gonna say, "Well, it's probably the Russians." Well, if it's the Russians, dadgummit, they wouldn't be tied up down in Ukraine for how many years? And Putin's such an egomaniac, he'd fly a saucer to Pennsylvania Avenue, get out and probably wrestle Trump in the front yard or something, you know? Bare-chested, ride a unicorn or something, I don't know. If it's China, they'd own us, even more than they already do. And then people say, "Well, it's ours, Burchett.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  It's just ours." They don't want to elevate it. Well, think about this. President Trump, and he should have, and I give him great credit for that, that pilot that got knocked down over in Iran, we spent untold millions of dollars to bring that cat home, and we should have, because it sends a message to our enemies, and it sends a message to our fighting men and women, that we're not gonna leave you behind, as many presidents have done many times. There's no way on God's green earth that they would risk a half-a-billion-dollar aircraft with something flying around it, and risk those guys' life, and all that training, to put these guys in harm's way. And that's exactly what they're doing. I mean, these things are buzzing cockpits. It's not an everyday occurrence. It's in certain areas, and that's

• 16:33Speaker 02

  where the deep-water thing comes in, the deep-water bases. I was sort of misquoted. I was just telling what I was told. But it makes a lot of sense that these deep-water areas are where we see a lot of sightings. And we've seen craft underwater that do something over 200 miles an hour, that are on the sonar pickup, or as big as a dadgum football field. The best we have, we don't have anything bigger than a football field, maybe in length, but not underwater, anyway. And, you know, the best we can do is maybe upper 30 mile an hour, maybe something like that, I don't know. But 200 miles an hour, that's just out

• 17:15Speaker 02

  of the question. And these things don't have a heat signature, and...

• 17:21Speaker 02

  I hope, I hope though that they, they release some of the footage that we've seen and some that we haven't, that we've been rumored that's out there. What I'm afraid though, it's gonna get so sanitized and it's gonna get cleaned up. I mean, even Obama, he said, "Yeah, there are aliens out there." And then in a recent interview I saw just last week or so, he's backed up on that. "I was just kidding, I was just kidding."

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I saw Trump when he was getting interviewed, he said Obama shouldn't have said that because it's classified. He goes, "But I might release it. I might make it unclassified."

• 17:53Speaker 02

  And I hope he does. And I told him that. I talked to the president about it and I said, "You know, Mr. President, it's like, it's like layers of an onion. Just keep pilling it back." And I hope, I hope he does because-

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, he might be the only one that would ever do it.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Only one with enough guts. Only one, because he's not beholden to that bunch. All they've done is try to bury him.

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah. So when these men came to you and they hooked up the computer to your television and showed you, did they tell you why they wanted you to see this stuff?

• 18:19Speaker 02

  They just thought I should know about it because I was asking the right questions. And then shortly after that, I was in, go ahead.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry, were you told that you were not supposed to tell people about this?

• 18:30Speaker 02

  No, but it's interesting. I had that Deep Throat moment, you know, not the porn version, the, the, um, Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was walking in the, in the tunnel one day and a person came up to me, and it's always a friend, it's always a friend that does this, and said, it was just the strangest conversation, and I'll never forget it because he said, "Burchett," he said, "You know, you're really pushing on this UFO thing?" And I go, "Yeah, yeah, I am." He said, "Do you really think we need to do this?" And I just kept listening. When I was a young man, I'd run my mouth and said, "Oh, shut up," but I listened to what he said. He said, he said, "I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community and, and all this other, I mean,

• 19:12Speaker 02

  some of this stuff just left unknown, you know?" And I said, "No, it's not. The government has no right to decide what I can and cannot understand or handle or see." And it, to me, and, and every time, Joe- Let me tell you what they're gonna do. I had a two-page bill to, for disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages, I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination committee release, which we're over 60 years into that and we still don't, they haven't released everything that on President Kennedy getting shot. And that's what they wanted to model this dad gum thing after. Mine was two pages long. Of course, mine didn't get anywhere. I was told by a member of leadership, they come and sit with

• 19:55Speaker 02

  me, I call it center's row. I sit on the back row, second from the back on the aisle. Everybody gets in trouble. They come sit with me sometimes. And, um, and I was told by a member of leadership that, um, that the intelligence community was unhappy with what I was doing. And then I got a phone call from, um, a former member of, um, President Trump's staff who told me that I needed to, um, I forget his exact terminology, but he said, oh, he said, "You need to get some bodies around you."

• 20:27Joe Rogan?

  Geez.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  And so, you know, I, I don't know what that means. I mean, I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress, Joe. So, you know, they bumped me off and it's gonna be like, they'll, they'll, there'll be one tear shed on the House floor. That'd be because I owed somebody $10. I didn't pay them back. And then they'll move on to the next guy. So.

• 20:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm sure you're aware of this narrative about the missing scientists and scientists that have turned up dead and been killed.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And that, that's real. I think, um, I have a theory on that. All right. And I know it's, it's a little dangerous to throw these things out, but, and I, and I was on maybe Fox one time and I just came up with this. I say, "Say your family's mobbed up, okay? And y'all own a nice Italian restaurant and it's world renowned and you're, you're busting at the seams, you know, and you're franchising and putting out cookbooks and everything. You've got this one chef who's, who's the kingpin of all of it. But you're afraid he's talking to your competitors." Now, you don't bump him off. What you do is you rough up a few of the busboys and that sends a quick dad gum message that you need to shut your mouth. And I-

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Timing is everything and nothing happens by accident in Washington DC. To me, I think it's the timing is uncanny. You've got a president, you know, you had these hearings in Washington. You have a president that says he's going to release stuff and all in that same timeframe, before and after that, you're having some of these high ranking officials disappear. And to me, that's, nobody disappears in this country unless they want to disappear. You know, there's cameras everywhere and it just to me, it's just, it reeks of a deep state sewer.

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• 23:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I thought, one of the things that I've thought of is, one of the subjects that these people, they're all working on different things, but they're working on alternative energy sources.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the, I'm sorry, didn't mean to cut you off. But that's what ties them together, I think. And two... Their, one of them spouse said, oh, my husband or wife or whatever, never did anything with UFOs. Well, they don't talk about it. It's actually, it's a pretty close knit group. And I always remember this, I knock on doors. That's how I got elected. Nobody really did. There's not a lot of people like me that are, come from a family of public educators and get elected to Congress. All right. Most of my contributions are $25 and somebody wraps a Bible verse around it and tells me they're praying for me. The big boys, they're always for me the day after the election. All right. They always, hell, I got you a check. And we were with you all along. I always say, yeah, I felt it right

• 24:19Speaker 02

  there towards the end, you know. But, but I'm knocking on this guy's door down in Farragut. And, and he's putting his flag out. He's an older gentleman. And I said, I said, hey, brother, did you serve? And he said, no. You know, I mean, it's East Tennessee, you know. And he kind of held his head down. No, I didn't. I didn't. And I said, he said, I worked at Oak Ridge. And I said, brother, I said, my daddy was on Okinawa when they dropped the bomb. They were getting ready to invade mainland Japan. I said, if my mom and daddy were alive today, they would hug you. Because that's, they put it together. And he told me, he said, Tim, before I left, he said, a funny thing. He said, my wife worked there too. And you know, I did, she worked on a, I think he said he was a fuse

• 25:04Speaker 02

  or something. And she was, I worked on the timer, on the atomic bomb. He said, I didn't know what she did the entire time that we were working there. That's called compartmentalization. And that's what you have here. And if I can elaborate just a little bit more, the, you're familiar with FOIA. I mean, you're a member of the Media Freedom of Information Act. And it means I can, I can request from a federal agency, the FBI, they probably wouldn't give it to me, but any information. But I can't go after like Ford Motor Company. Okay? So what they've done is they've given this information, these, whatever, if it's craft, it's material, if it's bodies, I don't know. I have my suspicions. But they've given them to, there's four or five major contractors, as you see, that are always the ones that

• 25:48Speaker 02

  are, that are putting it out there. There are missile defense systems. They're, they're coming up with this new metallurgy, these new propulsion systems. And I think-

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Whatever they had, they gave to them early on and they're the ones, but they're so far disconnected from the government that I can't touch it. And the people that are working on it, there's nobody alive around Roswell or any of that stuff that was in and around those years that's still alive or still working. So all those people are gone. I mean, that's the best, that's the best secret you can keep if you tell somebody and they die. And that's, that's exactly what they've done. And, you know, we've been given places, addresses and things and everybody says, oh, man, go to, you need to get out to area 51, Burchett, and see what's out there. There ain't nothing at freaking area 51. Soon as we announced where we're going, the U-Haul vans would have already been there

• 26:43Speaker 02

  and left, you know? And so what it's gonna take is, it's gonna take a scientist or somebody that's gonna have to walk out of one of those dead gum labs before they're allowed to commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head 10 times with a shotgun or something. And so...

• 27:02Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the Bob Lazar story?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  I do. I do. I've never met Bob. I know a buddy of mine, I guess, friend of mine, I think sort of broke that story.

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  George Knapp?

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, Knapp, Knapp. I'm sorry. I haven't slept much in the last 48 hours. But yeah, George, I met him through all this and I mean, it's a big honor because I grew up watching George Knapp. He's a cool guy.

• 27:22Joe Rogan?

  He's awesome.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  I love him. He comes to my office and we hang out and I mean...

• 27:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  People get, you know, they get kinda starry eyed when they see somebody like yourself or Kid Rock or somebody, but for me, it was George Knapp. Because, I mean, you know, because I asked him, I'd ask him stuff and he goes, "Yeah, that was a report I did when..." And, and because I've, you know...

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's very careful about what he says, too. He's not a guy who says anything that he can't...

• 27:45Speaker 02

  And he documents it.

• 27:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  You ever seen his files? I mean, it's just, it's a myriad of files.

• 27:50Joe Rogan?

  He's very even keeled and fair in the way he assesses things. He's not hyperbolic. The way he describes things is like as clean and as accurate as possible.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  He's not trying to sell t-shirts, really. I mean, he's a true journalist. I, you know, I wished other people would look at a guy like that and say, "That's the way we need to go with journalism."

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  A real journalist who didn't start off with this whole UFO thing. He didn't want to do, I mean, he was an actual just regular journalist until Bob Lazar contacted him.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  And that story, we've, I've had Bob on a couple of times. In fact, this is how popular this idea is in the American zeitgeist. The Bob Lazar episode of this of this podcast is the most viewed episode that I've ever had on YouTube.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's got sixty-five, sixty-six, sixty-six million views right now.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 28:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, a guy who's just talking about how he used to work at S4, Area 51 Site 4, where he was back engineering UFOs.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  And there's a new documentary that he just did called S4, where they used CGI and they made models of the craft and they made him, like they brought him, you know, they used this technology that makes it look like he's a lot younger.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  And they showed like what his experience was. They completely recreated it and it, down to a T. And I, Jamie and I got a chance to watch it with him, with Bob and Luigi, the guy who made the film. And it was, I mean, watching how emotional he gets when he's in the room, he's like, this is it. This is, this is, like, this freaks me out. It like brings me back because we're talking about 1988, 1989, when all this was going on.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  And he really, you know, the last report I saw, it was, somebody interviewed him at his house, I mean, he had like a mid-eighties Corvette or something, you know, he's not, you know, he hasn't cashed in on it like everybody else seems to do.

• 29:45Joe Rogan?

  No, he hasn't made any money off of it and he's still just a legitimate scientist. He runs United Nuclear Labs, he's, you know, that's what he does. And he's a brilliant guy and doesn't want the attention. Like I, it was very difficult to get him to come back in a second time, you know, and he wanted to wait until this documentary was out and come in and talk again, but he got freaked out, he drank a lot of whiskey, you know, he was like, gets weirded out by it all. It's all, like, to him, the whole experience was very surreal and strange and...

• 30:13Speaker 02

  Well, you gotta, you gotta figure, he's the one that escaped from all of it and is still alive. Somehow he got out and was able to do it before they could silence him. They tried to discredit him, said he didn't work there and then...

• 30:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  I think he produced check stubs even.

• 30:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just that, they tried to pretend that he never worked at Los Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee roster. There was, there was a lot of stuff going on where they tried to discredit him, but he went public because he was afraid they were... gonna kill him, you know, because the initial one that he gave a fake name and he was a silhouette. And he told his story, but then his home got broken into, his car was getting broken into. He got shot out on the highway. It got real weird. And so he said, look, I've got to go public like it might be the only way to protect myself. And he told the whole story and he hasn't deviated from that story. And that's, that's what's really kind of crazy because it's been, you know, what 40 something years or close to.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  These guys, they ask those questions, you know, they always, oh, yeah, well, and then say, was it red? No, it's green. And then they were adamant that it was red 10 years ago.

• 31:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Everything about him has been that he, and I've, I've seen, um, there was a documentary on him and they asked somebody to analyze him. Uh, you know, was he telling the truth or not? And he said, I think he's telling truth.

• 31:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he doesn't seem like he's lying, but I mean.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Of course, I'm in the business and I'm in Congress, so yeah. He's an amateur, we're professionals up there, brother. You only think you can tell a lie.

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're not very good at it. The people in Congress that are liars, the problem with liars is they don't really have a good understanding of the truth. Because if you're lying all the time and you're forging this like fake narrative, people see that. And so then when you try to say it as the truth, it doesn't come off like the truth. There's a feeling that people get when they talk to you. Now there's some real crazy people that are, that could just lie like really insane, but generally they lie about a bunch of stuff. They don't just have one lie from 1989.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  The term pathological comes to mind.

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  You know, that, that bass was this big.

• 32:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, his story though, one of the interesting things is he was talking about the ways which the craft moved. And then decades later, we have footage that shows these crafts rotating in the direction that they want to travel, then zooming off. And then of course, there was the Commander David Fravor incident off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And if that was our technology, the, the thing that puzzles me is if we had something in 2004 that can go from 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in under a second. I can't imagine that 22 years later, there would be no advances that it would have leaked through into mainstream technology.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Well, the energy, just along with that. The energy, it's, you know, we'd heat our homes in the winter and cool them in the summer. But then again, I always throw out the war pimps. I'm not, my daddy fought for this country and I'm not, and you know, that's their business is war and their business is very good. They, they will quickly, you know, stand up and, and trash a guy like favor. He was, he testified before our committee and I was, I was taken by what he said. I know him pretty well now, but we, you know, we had the committee, which was crazy. We, me and Luna and a bunch of others got together and said, man, we need to do this committee. This is, we need to do this.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  And so I went to the chairman and he said, sure. And then they sort of blew it off and then they want, and I go see the staff of these committees and that's, that's, that's the real problem and Washington Reagan said it best, don't, don't term limit politicians, term limit staff. And I go in there and I'm told, yeah, well, I think we want to just talk about this Chinese hot air balloons, what we want to really talk about. I said, no, hell no, that's not, excuse my language, heck no. We want to, we want to talk about that gum UFOs, what people are calling us about constantly. I mean, it was just getting so much airplay. And then I was told by some old timers, which was kind of cool. They said that, you know, Tim, I've been here, some of them have been here 10, 15 years

• 34:26Speaker 02

  and said, that was the most attended committee that they could remember. They had to open up another room so people could be there. I walked out, I was on Fox that morning and I was going out, I left my office at 4:30 in the morning and I was outside and I remember it was hot because it was summertime and there was people already outside lining up that had come from all over the country on their own dime. I mean, these weren't like wealthy people. I mean, one guy said, this is our vacation this year. We're coming to this dead gum committee meeting. And Joe, they were lined up around the hall, around everywhere. And that's where I met Sean Ryan and a bunch of people. And it was just, it was amazing to me and that's when Congress started paying attention

• 35:09Speaker 02

  to it because they realized the voters are paying attention to it.

• 35:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that might be the only way to put pressure on them. The, the thing about the alternative energy sources. What, one of the things that I was thinking is that if you were involved in,

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  whatever, petroleum, like, whatever your business is, and there's something that's coming along.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Put them out of business.

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Them and the Pentagon, that was my point on the Pentagon.

• 35:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  It was put them out of business, put the oil companies out of business. Because they say what he was showing a dead gum heat signature.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  If, if a blackbird flies across my farm, it's gonna put out a dead gum heat signature.

• 35:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  And, and through the, um, uh, all the technology we had, and as they called them, the Tic Tac.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Tic Tacs, yeah, they look like the little, little men, and, um, and that's what they were.

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  That's what Commander David Fravor saw.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:58Joe Rogan?

  And not only saw, but there's video footage of it, there's radar footage of it. It's exhibiting travel that's just beyond comprehension for modern technology, for current state technology.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  One hundred percent.

• 36:10Joe Rogan?

  But if these people were working on some sort of new energy source, or some sort of new propulsion system, and you've got to imagine, there's a very small amount of people that are on the cutting edge of whatever this stuff is. If this is like groundbreaking technology that's not known by mainstream physicists, or whoever's working on it, and you only have a small group of people, if you whack one of them, you put a big stop to any progress. Especially if you get the main people, the lead scientist, and that guy winds up getting assassinated, or winds up in some-

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Disappears, yeah.

• 36:48Joe Rogan?

  Disappears. The one lady was the weird one. So she's walking with her-

• 36:51Speaker 02

  She hiking or something?

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:53Joe Rogan?

  Walking with her friend, uh, her friend turns around and talks to her, and then walks a little further, turns around to say something again, and she's gone. Just gone. And they bring in dogs, they have cadaver dogs, they, they can't find her. There's no trace, no one's seen her since. And this lady was apparently, wasn't she, Jamie, wasn't she involved in some sort of alter- alternative technology, alternative-

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Metallurgy was her deal. So you think of these, whatever these craft or whatever have to be something. And I said this earlier on one time and it made a lot of sense. I was surprised that something I said did, but it sort of stuck. You know, it's like, well, why don't they just bring it all out now if they've got it? I don't think we've got the technology to figure out what the heck it is. Like, I ride motorcycles. I got an old 47 Indian chief. If I were to take that thing back to the, when they came over in the Mayflower, you know, they would see it and think, that's kind of unusual. They might worship his as a god. I know, I sometimes do when I go out to the garage. But, but, but, you know, they're gonna, they're not gonna be able to adjust the valves. They're

• 38:02Speaker 02

  not gonna know what the heck spark plug is. They probably wouldn't be able to figure out how to make a fuel with a high enough octane for the thing to kick over. And, and I think that, and they might polish it. They might get it started. And I think that's sort of where we're at with this stuff, Joe. I think it's a, I think a lot of them have something and they just don't know what the heck to do with it.

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• 40:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it. And that was his take on it when he was working there in 1989. He said, "They understood how to turn it on. They didn't exactly understand how it worked or what it did, and they wanted him to try to figure it out."

• 40:16Speaker 02

  Those guys that came to my house, they talked about that and how these, something could travel at these light years. And one of them was an astrophysicist, and I don't really understand astrophysics, but it took me 6 years to get out of UT, and I didn't drink or smoke pot, so I'm just gonna elaborate a little bit if that's all right with you, brother. Have an degree in shop. Technological and adult education. I can fix your lawnmower. I can burn your house down if you need it wired, but I'll always have a job. So you've got something vibrating over here, and then instantly it's over here.

• 40:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  And that's the sort of way they explained it, put it on my level to understand it. And to me, it proves that there's a God, I mean, because it's an instantaneous travel that we don't quite comprehend. Now, is there friction involved? And that's where the, when they see these blobs out there that are floating around, they, that are lit up. I've had several people tell me about that, how these, there was one incident where they surrounded a group of our aircraft, and it was, and a lot of them deal with nuclear weapons. It seems that when we're around some nukes, we've had, I always remember, I went in and... It's been a long time since you had a man bun, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna knock on this.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  I had this bureaucrat with a dead gum man bun telling, telling me, I asked him about a certain incident and he said, "We don't have data points on that Congressman." And I said, "Well, what about this deal?" And he said, "I don't know what you're talking about." I said, "Well, Google it. Everybody in the world knows about, we had a, we had a nuclear power plant that had these things fly over and the dead gum thing shut down." I mean, it's been documented. It has been documented unequivocally. And, you know, and, and that's, and then, then you have members of Congress go, "Well, they said it didn't exist, so we're out." You know, I'm good. And I'm like, "No, no." I'm sitting there reading these officers that are obviously very, I, I read people. God gives us all a gift. My gift is reading somebody.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  And I was reading these, these military officers, you know, they had the full, they had all of it, you know, they'd been serving for a while and some of them had done some things. And I could just sit there reading them, they're thinking, "This little twerp right here beside me, I'd choke him out if I could." You know, I mean, they were just like, They were angry at you. No, not at me, at him, at him, because they wanted to tell something and this was a Biden appointee and, you know, it just, and, and, and that's a lot of the times, we were, I was in one situation, I'll just call it, where they sent somebody in basically just to disrupt, you know, to throw at a, at, at, at a witness. And, and that witness just, it was like a, he was like a pro ball player hitting T-ball man. He was just knocking

• 43:00Speaker 02

  them out of the dead gum park every quay. He said, "What about?" And he gave a date and he said, "Oh, you're talking about this incident. Well, let me tell you what happened there." And, and he would go through everything and it was, and it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And then he got disgusted and ended up leaving the meeting. And, you know, and, and that's, they, they send people in to disrupt. They're just not gonna turn, and I don't know if the fact that, and, and the corruption in Washington DC is not like it used to be. You know, it's not like, "Oh, I got a picture of you sleeping with some hooker over in Istanbul." You know, "Oh, make copies. I wanna take it to my buddies." I mean, that's about the, that's about what you'd get now. But way it is now is, I think, is that some members have

• 43:42Speaker 02

  A family member or a wife and or girlfriend that could work for one of these groups. And they're told, hey, you want to keep your dad gum job?

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  You want these pictures to come out or whatever. I would, you need a little help here. And then they go disrupt and come into the committee meetings and ask ridiculous questions to try to get a partisan fight going. And maybe some of them do it unbeknownst to them or what they're being told to do. But they do it because they're, they're just lapdogs.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  So there's a strategy where they have a bunch of people that they sort of compromise as disruptors and they.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  And they are compromised. Exactly. That's the word. I was on a, and I'm going to say another one. I was on the Benny show early when he was early on and, and I was talking.

• 44:26Joe Rogan?

  Benny Johnson?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And so he's been very kind to me. And so he, he asked me about how do they do it? And I said, well, they used to do this thing called the honeypot. You know, they'd, you'd go to some, you go on, I never go on trips. The only trip I've ever been on a Codel was to the border down here, down in Texas. And I, I went down for one day, flew down here, saw the border, saw the people coming over the border, got in an airplane, flew home. I was, it was about an 18 hour trip. It wasn't any luxury. I stayed in a room that my buddies at the frat house would have probably asked for our money back in. It was pretty rough, you know? Got some good barbecue though. But anyway, so I, these guys go on these trips and say you're sitting down at the bar, I mean, you're a good looking guy.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Some girl comes up to you or some guy, whatever your interest, whatever your proclivities are and laughing at your jokes and, you know, next thing you know, you're up in the bedroom naked with them. And then you think, man, I pulled off the great, I pulled this off. I was this smoke show and my wife and kids don't know about it. And I'm just gonna, you know, me, I'm just, just me, just between me and the Lord. And then, you know, you're getting ready to make a key boat and one, and a staffer comes up or a lobbyist or something, you're in the hall and says, hey, coroner's man. Said, yeah, man, how's it going? He said, he got this big boat. Yeah, but I, I'm not for y'all on this one. Okay, we understand. He said, hey, were you in a motel room in Istanbul with a pretty redhead one time? And he go, oh.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  And they say, "Man, I don't want that out. It'll wreck my..." Well, we don't want it out. We don't, we just need your help. And that's how they sink their claws into you. They used to. And they might do that now, but I was on the Benny show and I was talking about that. Oh, man, I caught it from, I mean, it was leadership and members. Man, everybody thinks we're sleeping. I'm saying, I didn't say everybody. I just said, "Some of y'all are." I said, you know, don't, don't, and every day you can, there's a new one getting in trouble. So it's not any big secret. Um, 435 of us, so.

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  You get 435 people, you gotta add a few freaks in there.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  435 group of any human beings.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, any, you go to.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  Especially, you know, if you can compromise a man with beautiful women, it's not that hard to do.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Or if they're, if they're gay and they don't want it out in their, in their public or whatever. So I, I said this to Benny and, and I, and I caught it. And then about a week later, a week later, and I, I said, "It's probably the Chinese, the Russians or something." They busted a Chinese prostitution ring. And what did they list as their clientele? Lobbyists, government, employees, and politicians. Of course. And then what happened the next week? That story went away. And Benny does this thing. He showed me walking out and he like, I throw a match and the, and the whatever behind me just burst into flames and I'm walking out, you know, it's really cool. And, um, uh, he also did a song of me singing "Dad gum," which is my cuss, I don't cuss,

• 47:22Speaker 02

  I say "dad gum" and he did that. But anyway, but that was my point is that they use this stuff and they know what we want. They, you know, these guys, these countries, they know, uh, they own the internet. So they know what's porn you look at. It's your, in the privacy of your home that you think you're, you know, you got this private name on your freaking computer and they know, you know? And so that's what they're gonna hit you with. So anyway, that's, that's a long story, but it's, I think mostly it's just jobs now.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  Mostly jobs and influence and figuring out, well, you think about.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  You get a dirtbag, you're gonna get into sleep with some hooker, you know, that, that's gonna happen, you know, eventually too. But I just don't, I don't know if it's that prevalent. And I had a lobbyist tell me one time, he was, uh, his name was Tom Hensley. He was the golden goose. He was a liquor lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee. And he was a caricature of what a lobbyist is. He had three-piece suit, big old cowboy boots, smoking a cigar. And we were at the Crown Plaza. And he liked me because I never would vote for his liquor bills, but I never would vote for a tax on him either. So, um. He, he, um, he, we were there and the guy from the governor's office came and just chewed both of us out, you know, he was treating me, I'm a legislator and he was treating me like a dog. And I, and he, Goose was sitting back here and he had that fancy Jack Daniels, black

• 48:36Speaker 02

  label or whatever it is that the fancy version of it is, because he represented Jack Daniels, made in Tennessee. And he pulls that big five dollar cigar out of him and he goes, "Burchett?" He goes, "Governor's come and go, but the old Goose will be sitting right here." And he said, "Well, what are you gonna do, Goose? He gonna shut you down, man? All these, you gonna tell these people stuff?" And he goes, "Burchett, I just need one chairman. I don't need the whole, in one body of the house, you know, in the House or the Senate, I just need one chairman that'll listen to me." And he wasn't saying, he never did anything crooked in front of me and he never offered me any bribes or anything.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  But that was a good lesson to learn as a young man when I was in the state legislature.

• 49:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you just think about how much money congresspeople wind up leaving office with, just that alone is incentive to play ball.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  I mean, you don't mean, you don't think we're making sixteen thousand percent on our own knowledge? I got, my daughter called me a while back and said, "Dad," um, and she's super smart. She's do anything, I'm a veterinarian doctor, I'm a brain surgeon, she's crazy smart. I married my wife and adopted her, my wife was a widow, so genetically she's not mine. But when she gets into trouble, my wife says, "That's all you, Tim Burchett." But she's an exceptional little girl. And she said, "Dad, I think I'd just like to cut hair." And I was like, "Right on, girl. You go undo it." And, um, and that's what she does. I mean, she's, she's going to school to do that. So I cashed out my eleven thousand dollar portfolio, which was a mutual fund, because

• 50:04Speaker 02

  I think, and I don't own any individual stocks, but I think that members of Congress ought to do that. That was my bill. You don't own, more people have, you know, more people have played professional baseball than have ever been in, in Congress. You know, it's a very, it's a very tight, it's a very, and I tell people, if you don't get off that dead gum plane and look at that capital and get chill bumps, you get your butt back on that plane and go home, because we don't need you there. And everybody knocks on Pelosi, and I know that, but out of the top 10, you know where she is in the, in the amount of trades?

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Where is she at?

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Number 11. She's not even in the top 10, dude.

• 50:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, she should get a better PR person.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  I know.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy, because everybody uses her as an example.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  I know, but she don't care. I mean, if you were making 16,000%, would you care?

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I would be a little concerned that someone would come for me.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Ah, she's all right.

• 50:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal. That's the most bizarre thing.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  Oh, it's, it's, it's not right.

• 51:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  It's not right, but it's, it's, it's legal. And I just said, look, you cash out everything, you put it in a mutual fund, and I know they got this bill, and everybody's all fired up for it, and I'm not a, I don't know what I'm gonna do about it.

• 51:13Joe Rogan?

  Which bill?

• 51:13Speaker 02

  They got a new bill. They don't like my bill, mine and Luna's bill, that says that you, you can't own individual stocks, just own a mutual fund. They're gonna let you keep your portfolio. So, and somebody's cat's got a $20 million dead gum portfolio.

• 51:26Joe Rogan?

  And they make $170,000 a year, which is amazing.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:30Joe Rogan?

  Imagine the average person out there making $170,000, and all of a sudden they make $100 million in the stock market?

• 51:39Speaker 02

  And we're, we're involved, and I, not all of them are crooked. Some of them are, they are geniuses. I've been in Congress with some real geniuses, but, you know, if you see, I'll give you a case in point, all right? And I've said this many times, and nobody's come after me and said, you know, they told me to quit saying it, but I don't care. I got a dead gum First Amendment, I don't care. They can't, they come to knock to East Tennessee and try to beat me, but, but they, if, if, I forgot what I was saying now, man, I've lost my mind. I guess that's the part you have to cut out.

• 52:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, it's, we're talking about insider trading, we're talking about the amount of money that people generate.

• 52:18Joe Rogan?

  That's where we're at. We're talking about bills.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  Someone's a genius, really good at it.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm trying to think. I forgot it. I've got so many one-liners in my head, Joe. I should have written all these down, written all these down. But anyway, they, they all, not, not all of them are crooked. Some of them are, really are that good.

• 52:35Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  But, oh, I know what it was. It was, it was, um, uh, when Russia invaded Ukraine. I haven't voted for a dime for that. It's not our dad gum war. I don't, I, I keep, keep, keep my dollars here. We need to defend our own dad gum borders. Well, Joe Biden, for better or for worse, gave Ukraine basically our missile defense system. So immediately, we had to replenish our missile defense system. Now, who do you think owns stock in that, in those missile defense systems? Members of Congress.

• 53:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Members of Congress. And apparently, some of them had bought it, it, it fairly close to those time periods. And so, I don't know. Are they doing something crooked? I don't, I mean, you can't prove it.

• 53:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, if it's not crooked, they know things that would help them.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  And I just, remove all reproach.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  And if you, if you've got a $20 million portfolio, or whatever, some probably have more than that, you know good and dad gum well, you're gonna vote, it's in the back of your mind, you're gonna vote to make my, my investment worth a little more.

• 53:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So, the possibility of financial windfall would probably make people play ball. Which makes sense. Which makes sense.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Sure. It's a human nature. You got, you got guys up there that are, that, you know, they've got, they got expenses at home, got a couple of kids in school, got payments on a house, you know, and $170,000 doesn't go as far as it used to, I guess.

• 54:07Joe Rogan?

  And they, just human nature. You want more. People want more. They, they want, you know, whatever it is.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  And a lot of times, it's not them investing. It's their, you know, their wife, or their spouse. And we've seen cases of that where, you know, a 16-year-old kid is doing pretty well.

• 54:27Joe Rogan?

  Right. And it's the child of someone who has some inside information. There's something that just came out yesterday about Ro Khanna. There's a guy, Kevin Bass, on Twitter, posted this big, long, this examination of his stock trades, and how much money he's made, and how he's made it, and what he's done. There's, I mean, it's just all over Congress. It's, you have inside information. That's what it is.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  That's disappointing. I know, Ro. Uh, but, you know.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if it's true.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't either.

• 54:56Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you could pull it up if you want, Jamie. It, uh, Kevin Bass, B-A-S-S. It's Bass or Base. I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name. But he made this very detailed post about it. But, I mean, that's just one example of one person who's profited. I'm sure it's probably minor in comparison to the other 11 that are ahead of Nancy Pelosi.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  I sleep on my couch in my office and I shower in the gym. I don't have a place. I can't afford it. It's too expensive up there. I was, so, when I got elected with a guy one time and he said, when we got elected, he said, "Hey, Burchett, I just paid 1.2 million dollars for this place. What do you think?" And I know he was just bragging to me, you know, because I had no way I could do something like that. And he said, um, and I said, "Well, probably in a couple of years, they're going to say, 'I can't believe you only paid 1.2 million dollars for it,' because the price of that real estate up there is just crazy. It is crazy." And it's a rich man's game. It is really a rich man's game.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  And the problem with being around rich men is even if you're rich, you don't feel like you're rich if you're in comparison to them. And so, if you're worth a couple of million and this guy over here is worth 50, you're like, "Damn, I gotta up my game."

• 56:07Speaker 02

  I gotta up my game.

• 56:08Joe Rogan?

  And you're in this sort of culture, this culture of a bunch of people that are investing a bunch of money and making a bunch of returns and...

• 56:15Speaker 02

  And I'll tell you, when I, it was a public meeting. I remember it was in transportation. It dealt with some technology in an airport and it was pretty cool. And, um, I just asked the question. I said, uh, "Is that, is your stock publicly traded?" And, you know, I looked, I was watching people see what they did and they all looked up, you know, and I thought, "Note to self, call my broker when I walk out of here," you know?

• 56:40Joe Rogan?

  It's just very odd that that has been legal for so long. That's what's very odd.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  It's disgusting. And here's what we're gonna do. We'll pass some bill and the senate will pass another bill, or phone just won't take it up, which is we're seeing a lot of now. It won't take anything up and it'll die and we'll all go back to our people and say, "Oh, look, I tried to do this. I voted for this bill, but you know, I didn't get a dad gum break, you know, and look how tough we are." And they'll all be up at Kenny Bunkport sipping expensive wine and toasting each other on their great financial choices.

• 57:17Joe Rogan?

  That's where Bush is from, right?

• 57:18Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  I think so. Yeah. I think they're from Kenny Bunkport, Maine.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just threw that one out, it's the only place I can think of. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina for somebody like me would be pretty cool.

• 57:28Joe Rogan?

  So, one of the things about this disclosure thing, the documentary Age of Disclosure, and you're in that, it's really great. If you haven't seen it, folks, and you're interested in the UFO phenomenon, one of the fascinating aspects about Age of Disclosure is you've got all these insider people that are all talking about all these different experiences that people have had and all the stuff that people know. And one subject came up that made a lot of sense, and it was that if there have been back engineering programs and they have had access to all this technology and they've had crashed vehicles and biological

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  entities and there've been all these programs studying this for so long, they had to have funding. So, if they had funding, that means they had a lot of congress. So, if they had a lot of congress, there's misappropriation of funds. So, you're talking about massive felonies. So, if they don't have some sort of amnesty, and this is one of the things that's pushed throughout this entire documentary, is that we need some kind of mass amnesty.

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  I'm a very skeptical person. I see something like that, I'm like, okay, I see what you're doing. You are talking about UFOs so you can get some sort of amnesty for misappropriation of funds, and that might just be straight up fraud. There might be fraud and theft, and you might have moved money into offshore accounts, and there's must, might be a bunch of shady shit, and you could say, oh, but we'll tell you some very obscure information about UAPs. I don't like that term, because it was always UFOs.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  UFOs, that's a misdirection. I hate that term.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  Why do we need a new name? We've already had that name forever. Let's call it what it is. UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me feel sanitized. But if they can give you some fucking, you know, semi-shady information, now you've got amnesty. Now you've got amnesty, and you've got amnesty for decades of misappropriation of funds. So maybe some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is really back engineering programs. Maybe they really have been doing these things, and maybe they can give us slowly trickle down some insight as to what's going on. It'll probably take forever if you ever get anything out of it. But in the meantime, all these people that have made who knows how much money

• 59:55Joe Rogan?

  in shady ways with all this misappropriation of funds, and now they're not in trouble anymore.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Representative Eric Burlison has a bill to do just that. And it was, but it's whistleblower protection is the way you need to go about that. And, um, and he can't, he's tried to get it attached to bills, and we did, they just won't allow it. They won't allow it. Or they put it on and kill it in the Senate. You know, it's the same old game, Joe. Back and forth.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  So then the other problem that's brought up in age of disclosure is, say if you do have a retrieved craft from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever it is, from the ocean, whatever it is. And you need to study this thing. Where are you bringing it to? Most likely, you're going to bring it to a weapons manufacturing company.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:00:47Joe Rogan?

  And so if you do that, well, what about the other companies? They don't have access to that? Well, then they can sue. They can, why didn't I get access to that sort of technology? Why does this person, you've damaged my business, or, you know, what have you? And also, people probably lied under oath about whether or not those things exist, or what, where they got certain technologies. I mean, there's a bunch of different reasons why you could see why, logical reasons, why you could see why they would try to put the brakes on disclosure, and try to put some blockades up, and try to obfuscate, and make things much more difficult to get through.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  I agree. A hundred percent. And that's why I think these folks disappearing and dying unexpectedly are delivering some of those messages.

• 1:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  And members of Congress will, you know, several of the people that have been involved that are really heavily into it now, they were real skeptics. We kind of brought them in. I needed some skeptics. It couldn't just all be a bunch of folks that thought like I did. And they're now not skeptics.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  Can you give me some examples of like how that happened?

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we had a committee meeting. And my buddy Eric Burleson, for instance, he was a skeptic. And, I mean, I'm a skeptic of a lot of it myself, but I just have been studying for since I've come along. And he, you know, he was in the committee, and he's asking very poignant, sharp questions, which is what you're supposed to do in a hearing. And he, you know, he's one of the biggest advocates now for total release of everything. He's always at the forefront of writing legislation. When we're doing something, we're always, me, him, and Luna, Jared Moskowitz on the Democrat side is involved in it a lot.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  And, you know, and other members will come in and say, hey, I want to be read into this committee, or whatever, which means they can come on when we do the UFO stuff. But nothing really had the impact as that first committee meeting. And I told people at the end of it, I was recognized at the end. I said, the one thing about, and Nancy Mace, of course, she's involved with as well. And one thing... At the end, I said, you know, I just want y'all to know that people do believe you. This is not some crazy, far out thing and you all are, have a right to be skeptical and, and ask questions to your government and get these answers because we're not going to give it to you without, without y'all, without y'all being there and raising these questions.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's too many stories from too many credible people, too many people like Ryan Graves, too many people like Commander David Fravor, there's too many people that you just go, I don't know why this person would lie about this one thing.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Can I tell you one that I got on, I was in the state legislature with a guy and, and he was watching Unknown Aliens or something and they, they film you one time and then they use you for like three years.

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Ancient Aliens?

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Ancient Aliens, I'm sorry.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  That sounds great.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  I love that show, I love those guys, they're all great.

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  That's so fun.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  I love it, I love it.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Giorgio, Giorgio Sucullos and his crazy hair.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  I love that guy, he's, I think he's Greek, I need to get him an oxtail for, for the Greek festival, but anyway, he'd be a rock star there, but, so, again, we're, you know, I'm losing my, my train of thought here, Joe, I don't even smoke weed and I'm losing my train of thought, what were we talking about here? I hope you edit some of this because I look like an idiot.

• 1:04:19Joe Rogan?

  We're not editing shit, we're talking about disclosure.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, disclosure, okay.

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Talking about things that people see.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I was telling you about, so, so I'm, I pick up the phone and buddy of mine says, Timbo, and I recognize the voice and I said, hey brother, what are you up to? We were in the state house together, he said, I just saw you on Ancient Aliens. And I said, okay, and I thought, here it comes, you know, hey, you been probed lately? You know, you get that stuff from some of the guys, gals in Congress. And he said, can I tell you a story? And I said, sure buddy, and his voice kind of got quiet. And I remember he hollered at his wife, he said, hey, said her name, and he said, when, what year was that? It was when he was in the Navy and she said it was, and she gave the date, it was, I think in the 50s. And he was out on a boat, and I don't know, you know, battleship from an aircraft carrier.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  But anyway, he was out on a boat, and they were arming a sub with, um, with nukes. It was in the early part of that where the subs could launch nuclear weapons. And they were all out on the deck, and all of a sudden, it got, there was just a cloud over them. He said he looked up, and he saw this humongous saucer in the air. And he said, he said, "Timbo," he said, "if that thing wasn't two block, if that thing wasn't two blocks long, I'll, I'll kiss your butt." And I said, and, and he described it to me, you know, he said, he gave the color, and he, it was the classic saucer. He said, "There was lights coming out of portals around it, and he said it made no noise whatsoever, and it just sit there and hovered, and they just looked up at it,

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  and then it just went, it just went straight up. No noise, no nothing, no anything." And, um, and then I was just like, "What the heck was that?" You know, and so, when they get back to port, the guys in the suits come on, the, you know, the so-called men in black, I just, they're just spooks, CIA or something, and told them, they said, "This is national security if you talk about this, uh, we'll, um, you'll be in Leavenworth the rest of your dadgum lives busting rocks." And back then, that, you know, nobody, the cellphone wasn't invented, Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet. What year was this? It would have been in the, uh, the 50s, or, late 50s, late 50s, I believe, or early 60s. So, and then, but he gave me some descriptions, and after this came out, I mean, my phone,

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Joe, every day when this started breaking, I would get, somebody would call me and send me pictures of something, you know, that's like a reflection or something, you know, and, "Oh, come out to my house." All right, I'm afraid I was going to end up in a freezer in North Carolina or something, you know? Be somebody's dinner. And I was like, "I don't want to go out there to look at it, just send me a picture of it." And every day, but then I get, I got a call from a guy who was Air Force, and I, and I Googled him, he's legit, and he told me about a, um, a sighting he had, he was out, um, they were out fishing, um, in Florida, and, and it was near where one of the military bases was, and this thing, and he described exactly what my buddy had seen, and this, he saw this in the, um, I think the early 80s.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  And our late seventies and he described this craft that was just hovering and it was just going along and these then you know it was just going on a pretty good click and he said these jets were trying to keep up with it he could tell by the you know because he's an air force guy and he was an officer and it was legitimate and I've since read the story that he told but but it was it was strangely identical in the the color the you know the texture

• 1:07:51Joe Rogan?

  What color was it?

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  It was an off gray I believe and and but it didn't really matter but it was just the same one that they said could have been chartreuse for all I know but they but the the size and the circumference and the the dome on top and the portholes and just everything was just very very similar to what this guy had told me about just a few weeks prior and when you see identical things of people that have no contact with each other to me that that says something and with these pilots they're risking their careers to come forward and those engineers in age of discovery that come forward their their reputations and everything are on the line.

• 1:08:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, these aren't rich people they can't just retire.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  No, and they're good folks I've hung out with them when came when they had the world premiere which was something else me standing on a red red carpet a little out of place in that at a film festival.

• 1:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no I'm sure I avoid those things they're weird but this the subject when you talk about them appearing over bases appearing over aircraft carriers appearing over submarines that have nuclear capability it kind of makes sense that if you were from another planet or you're from another dimension or wherever it is and you're monitoring what seems to be the most intelligent species and the most capable species on the planet.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  That when they would get access to something like that like all the UFO sightings ramped up considerably after world war two after we dropped the bombs.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  We dropped the bomb.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was a considerable amount of activity you know that's when Kenneth Arnold first saw those things and talked about them as flying saucers.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  Called them flying saucers.

• 1:09:38Joe Rogan?

  That was in Washington state?

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they looked like said it looked like stones skipping across the look like little saucers.

• 1:09:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that's where the term first got.

• 1:09:49Joe Rogan?

  Introduced into the modern world and then you see so many of them and then you hear these stories about them going flying over nuclear bases and hovering over and shutting down the equipment and just the fact that they would hover over that submarine and then take off just to let you know like

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  This is what we can do.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  It was probably a smart move if you if you don't want to completely intervene and like kidnap people and shut down the government and land on the White House lawn and freak everybody out. What better way than to take something that's completely isolated like a submarine in the ocean where you know everybody's gonna lock everything down top secret and just show yourself and just like hey bitch like we're here we're here and we are watching everything so don't do anything fucking stupid.

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  You know you talked about that that that issue or episode I remember when they um at first I've never been invited back of course but the um Intelligence Committee when they did the UFO thing and there was they had these all these seats and it was an open to the open to the everybody Congress and the press and everybody and they had all these seats behind these this white this white guy and this black guy who were appointed to oversee the UAP issue which um and I remembered I thought I'm gonna get there early get the seat damn front and I sat right behind those guys and nobody else showed up I was the only member of Congress outside of the members in the in the um on the committee and Joe

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  those guys couldn't spell UFO I mean they were intelligent they were um they're I'm sure they're patriots they had no clue about anything so there's questions asked about certain incidents and uh we don't know anything about that you know and I thought to myself that's when the compartmentalization. Came to in my mind how they compartmentalize this because to them they could take a lie detector test and say I don't know anything about it because they are kept away from it's like they're looking down the barrel of a 22 rifle man it's just a little bitty area and they don't get outside that area and they don't ask questions and they don't unless they're told.

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  And if you want to keep your career that's how you have to operate.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  And your pension and everything else absolutely.

• 1:12:03Joe Rogan?

  It makes sense that that aspect of it makes sense what doesn't totally make sense is why now disclosure other than I mean this is being cynical the Iran war is not going very well American public is very upset a lot of people don't think we should have ever been involved in that in the first place and we need some good news.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  I think we some I.

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  We need something to distract us we need something to take our focus off of.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  If I was gonna do it now would be the time I'd do it but I don't think Trump really even cares I think he just wants to get it out there.

• 1:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Well I think he does too you know he's talked about it like and he's also.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  I mean I don't think he cares about about trying to get a everybody off off target you know by disclosing UFOs I think he cares about all of it but I don't think he cares that if you're talking about it or not I just think he he genuinely sees that America needs to know this stuff.

• 1:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Well he also realizes America wants to know it and he's an outsider even though he's the president he is a lot of ways he's an outsider and I mean this is his last term right and so it's like if you're gonna if someone's gonna do it do it you want to leave a legacy be the guy who releases all these files.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  I've tried to kill him three times so you know it's not and that ain't no.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Trump Derangement Syndrome for real, dude. It's ridiculous. The way this guy addressed this man, it's almost as if he was condoning it. Like it says, "The indictment comes a day after the judge overseeing the case against Allen expressed grave concerns about how he's being treated in jail and apologized to him in court." You're talking about a guy who showed up with a rifle or a shotgun. Shot a secret service agent, obviously in the vest, the guy's okay, but whatever you've been through, I apologize for the prior week. Magistrate Judge Zia Faruqi, I don't know if I'm saying that right, said during a hearing in Washington DC on Monday. According to the court documents filed over the weekend, Allen had been in solitary confinement,

• 1:16:20Joe Rogan?

  oh, poor baby, at the DC jail after being placed on suicide watch after his arrest on April 25th. His lawyers said that he was housed in a permanently illuminated safe cell with no access to personal items or jail visits, despite repeated assessments showing he did not exhibit any suicide factors. In an order issued on Sunday, Faruqi wrote that he had grave concerns about the conditions Allen was being kept in, which he said were seemingly unprompted by the facts of the case. It could drive a person crazy to be in that situation, Faruqi said during Monday's hearing. That is really crazy.

• 1:16:59Joe Rogan?

  That is, that is really a crazy thing to apologize for someone who is trying to at least assume, you're assuming he was trying to kill the president.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  The guy's been programmed to do this. He immediately turns, you know, from one way to the other overnight almost, and this is, and we're seeing this more and more, I think.

• 1:17:22Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean, the guy's been programmed?

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  I think these people are, um...

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  You mean like MKUltra type programming?

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  I think so, but it's a different, you know, MK, you're the expert on it.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  I'm not really.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  Well...

• 1:17:35Joe Rogan?

  Don't say that.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  No, I don't want to get you bumped off here.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Jamie knows what I do about it.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Let somebody else go start your car when you walk out there and wait 30 minutes.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  Don't make me an expert.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  But, yeah.

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  I know nothing.

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  But, you know, the CIA, they were grabbing these people up and giving them, I guess, acid or LSD, whatever, and then programming them, and then, then they said they weren't doing it, and then they got sued, and they said, "Oh, we lied, we were doing it, but we're not doing it anymore." Now, which time are they not? Here's, here's my thought on this. I think you've got a bunch of people today because of this, it's just open up... Open up your head and pour it in and they can put these things out to people just enough to where they know that there's going to be a reaction. There's some people, you and I are going to read this stuff and go, huh, you know, and there's some people that are just going to stay awake at night and just fume. I know people that read stuff and they'll call me and text me and said, can you believe this? And I'm like, dude, man, I live this

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  stuff. Cool out. We're good. We're okay. And I think that these folks, they know who they are and they can, they can target them. You know, how many of these people are going to be, are we going to find that have no internet access, have no history of being on the internet?

• 1:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Right. Like Thomas Crooks.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's just, that's just total BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't, we let him on the roof and, you know, and then you had-

• 1:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Also, they couldn't get snipers on that roof because the slope was too steep.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had, we had members of Congress that are older than I, I think Darrell Issa was there. I know a couple of other guys were there too. I mean, he's an older guy. He's older than me. I think he was walking around up on it, you know, and that's bogus. That's totally bogus. They put Trump in a bad position and, you know, that's the thing, you'll never know. You'll never-

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's another thing we should talk about-

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Dead men tell no tales.

• 1:19:19Joe Rogan?

  There's another thing we should talk about. There's a lot of people running around out there saying that that first Trump assassination was a setup and that it was a hoax and that Trump did it to try to get people to be more sympathetic to him. Anybody who says that doesn't know anything about guns.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:19:34Joe Rogan?

  Because the shot was from, how far was it? Was it 140 yards? Somebody was, Jamie? There is not a person on earth that could nick your ear at 140 yards reliably. Not only that, but miss other shots first, kill someone behind you, shoot another person as well, and just nick his ear. And just by the grace of God, by just sheer luck, he turns his head at the right time and he catches his ear. Okay, 120 to 140 meters or 135 to 150 yards away during the rally. He was positioned on top of an AGR International

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Building, which provided a clear line of sight to the stage. Just that alone is a tremendous failure of security. The fact that they didn't search and look at these buildings, that you don't have drones above scanning the area where you have a potential line of sight. A easy shot with someone with a scope.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  And my buddy Eli Crane, he's a sniper. And he said, you know, I could have made that shot, you know, because he's a SEAL sniper.

• 1:20:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Brother-in-law Cliff is a Marine sniper, and he said, I could have probably done it with steel sights, Tim.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, did the man have steel sights?

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did have steel sights.

• 1:20:54Joe Rogan?

  So he didn't have a scope?

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  Uh-uh. And the thing to me is that he got up there and people were pointing at him. It was just a complete, is it a breakdown? You think, is it a breakdown? It's a breakdown if Tim Burchett sneaks into the back of a Leonard Skinnerd concert and gets close to the stage. That's a breakdown. That, to me, is a complete capitulation. They put Trump out there and there's people that don't like him. You can say what you want to about programming and things. I just think it's out there. I think it is a reality, and I think we better, people better wake up. Because Washington DC is not a, everybody wants to call it a swamp.

• 1:21:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it does have a, it does have a scope.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  Is that a scope or is that a sight?

• 1:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a red dot.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:21:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I don't know if it's magnified. It says optics attached to rail, AEMS optics. So I don't know, I'd have to talk to some of my guys out front about like what kind of a sight that is, what kind of optics that is. I don't know if it's magnified or if it's like pistol optics. But either way, even if it's just, if he's prone and he's got a rifle and it says, yeah, check it out, Jamie. I think that's just the setup, though. I don't think that's actually the, I think AMS optics, AEMS optics.

• 1:22:20Joe Rogan?

  The optics. Right, but modeled, modified with a collapsible stock.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  AEMS, red dot sight.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's a red dot. I don't know if that's magnified. I don't think that's magnified. I think, I think that's just like what you get on a pistol. It just makes it a little bit more accurate.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  You know, I'd seen pictures of him just walking across an area and you could tell he was carrying something that was fairly long.

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, he was walking around the site with a rangefinder.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, and he...

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  Are you playing golf?

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  He'd earlier put a drone up, I think, yeah.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  So if you're not playing golf and you have a rangefinder, you're trying to shoot something. That's it. Those are the only two reasons to use a rangefinder. You're playing golf, doing archery, or you're trying to shoot something with a rifle.

• 1:23:02Joe Rogan?

  You know.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  No other thing, but these guys just keep doing this and I, and I know, I think we're gonna have a hearing on that. Not on that particular case, but just on what the CIA is doing and, and how they could do that today.

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, they most certainly can do that today if they could do that in the 1960s.

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  There's a fantastic book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. It's all about the Manson family. Have you ever read it?

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  I've seen it and haven't read it.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  It's phenomenal and it's mind blowing. You, you read it and you, and it all documents Jolly West and the MKUltra program and what they did with Jack Ruby. And they visited Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby went insane and had a complete psychotic breakdown. And said, they're lighting Jews on fire and he was like going nuts.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  And was sane before Ruby visited him. This guy was known to be using LSD on people, unknowing people. They, uh, they ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is where the CIA actually ran brothels. They had two-way mirrors and they had these, uh, supposed prostitutes give these Johns alcohol that had LSD in it. And then they'd monitor them. They were, they were doing that with people, unsuspecting people, dosing them up. Trying to figure out how and what techniques they could use to manipulate people and to get people to do things they wanted them to do. That's what the whole Manson family was all about. And what the Manson family, that, what those killings did, the Tate La Bianca murders, what they did was they turned people against hippies.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Like people had this idea of hippies being peace and love and like, oh, it's a new world and everyone's just gonna do acid and hug each other and drop out of society. Then it was all of a sudden it became, no, they're psychotic killers and they're demonic and, you know, and this is what we have to think about. We need to ban all these drugs and that's what they did. And it's kind of fascinating that they were able to do that and do that for so long. And if it wasn't for the Freedom of Information Act request, and if it wasn't for finding those documents that they found that were just in storage.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  That detailed all this, we wouldn't have any knowledge of this stuff.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  Most of that stuff disappears.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that we have, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. There's probably a ton of those things that have gone on that they successfully hid. And they got sloppy with this and Jolly West seems like he was a completely insane person. And, you know, how could you not be if you're like running around dosing people with acid?

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  With acid, yeah.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Running fake whorehouses. I mean, it's nuts. The whole story is nuts. But the idea that they go, hey, we shouldn't do that anymore. Even though it was successful, that doesn't track. That doesn't track with how anything works. That doesn't track with human nature, doesn't track with how the government works. The idea that they don't have people right now, and also, how many people are voluntarily on psychiatric medication that alters them? And then without any sort of formal program like MKUltra, just using bots, just using AI, just using people's algorithm to turn them, radicalize them in certain ways. Like, of course they're gonna do that. Of course

• 1:26:03Joe Rogan?

  they're gonna try to figure out what they can do, what they can, how they can shift narratives in one direction or another. I mean, that's what they do.

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  And Trump's a threat to their machine.

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  I don't ever think we'll ever find the answer to it. I don't think we're ever, somebody's gonna come forward and, maybe in our lifetime they might, but by then everybody would be gone again.

• 1:26:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, where's the toxicology examination on Thomas Crooks? Let me find out what he was on.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  They cremated him.

• 1:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they cremated him really quickly. Not only that, like, why was his place professionally scrubbed? He didn't even have silverware in his house. He had no computers. He had no social media.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  No internet footprint at all. And then they found stuff that led them to believe that maybe he had international accounts, but he didn't have, you know, it's just, it's constant, constant. And it just happens over, over every course, every time.

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, but they documented metadata that tracked specific phones from the Virginia area, out near where the FBI area is, to his home multiple times. Why? He's a kid. He's just a young weirdo kid. And someone's visiting him over and over again?

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  His parents were allegedly counselors, I think. And that makes the whole thing even that much more mysterious.

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  It's all weird and we don't have any answers and no one's asking questions. It's like bye bye, went away.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  You ask the questions, you're still not gonna get the answers.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Right. I mean, that will be one of those things that thirty, forty years from now, people are gonna be reading books about it, go, what the hell was going on?

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  It's like the Kennedy assassination. You know, in the Kennedy assassination, we had a committee meeting on that and I asked a question from this doctor who was in the, um, in the emergency room. They brought Kennedy in and he, he clearly, he brought, he brought a poster in to show that clearly that the bullets had come from two different directions. And that was, and so it had to be two bullets. It couldn't have been a very quick ricochet, obviously. And, um, the whole thing, you know, and no press, nobody covered it, nothing. To me, that was blockbuster news. I thought that would have been, but again, the big boys didn't see fit to put that out and that, and there we are.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, just the magic bullet theory alone, like shut up. That bullet's ridiculous.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  Well, that gun is, uh, uh, called a Manliker carbine. It was, I got one actually. It's a, I think a seven point six two Italian. It's called the only gun that never won a war. You could have gone to a western auto and bought an M1 with scopes on it and made a much better shot than that thing. I mean, the whole thing just stinks and the gun they show holding up and the gun that they had later, you know, the whole thing is just screwy, screwy. And, cause we didn't ask questions back then.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, no one had information. So what questions could you even ask? And there's a great book on it called Best Evidence by David Lifton. And he was an accountant that was hired to go over the Warren Commission report. And he started finding all these inconsistencies and contradictions in the Warren Commission report. And so then he wrote this book on all the different things that are wrong with the Kennedy assassination and all the different things that we've been told that couldn't possibly be true. And it's very disturbing, including how many people that were witnesses that died. Witnesses at the scene in, you know, in Dallas that died from weird circumstances and the odds of those people dying, car accidents, suicide, murder, robbery. Oh, it's just too strange.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  And people they can't find anymore that were in those pictures, you know, on Liberty Square.

• 1:29:31Joe Rogan?

  They cleaned up a lot of the loose ends.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  Quick.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  But back then, you know, again, you couldn't ask the questions. You didn't have the internet and announce. But that, I think. But nobody's even talking about it. You can't get anybody to bring up anything on Trump getting shot.

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  Other than they put out it's a fake, you know, it's.

• 1:29:49Joe Rogan?

  The idea's a fake.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  His ear healed itself and all this stuff, you know.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  Listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He got shot in the ear. You can see the blood come out right away. It's dripping down the side of his face. And the idea that that's a setup, you cannot be that accurate. You definitely can't be that accurate with a red dot at 140 yards. You can hit him. You could definitely hit him center mass, no problem. Maybe you hit him in the head if you're really good and you're prone. But nicking his ear like that on purpose and to be there and say, hey, I just want you to nick my ear, just a little piece. Like, that's, there's not.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Off the top.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  There's not a chance.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:30:23Joe Rogan?

  That that's a fake. And the guy behind him's dead. So what are you saying? You think that's fake? That's a setup?

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  The fireman lost his life.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. But it's just this thing where people hate him so much and the narrative in the media. This Trump derangement narrative that you see in the media is so strong and people are so programmed by it. And for the average person that has a very involved job, you're working all day and then you have a family and you have a life and you have been. You don't have time to really go into depth about what's real and what's not real. And you got that Russia collusion stuff shoved down your throat by mainstream media for years and you believe all of it.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:31:03Joe Rogan?

  And so you really believed that he's a terrible person, Russian agent, all these things. So you want someone to kill him.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's a group of folks, young folks that are starting to ask some questions.

• 1:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  You know, my wife's son Tyler, um, he lives on the farm there with us and he, um, he's been asking me inquisitive questions because, because of, he doesn't buy it. And a lot of those kids in that generation, I'm glad, I don't know if it's the Charlie Kirk effect. I don't know what that is.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  That has a, that has a definitely effect on it because a lot of people don't buy that story either.

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  But it's also the internet. The internet has, there's enough independent reporters out there that are untied. Independent journalists that are untied to any organization that has a narrative they're supposed to push. And they're uncovering real information that's screwy.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't make any sense.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  Well, and also when they do though, they get, they get trounced upon by the so-called mainstream media.

• 1:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  And, but their numbers, I mean, my gosh, I, I read somewhere the, the amount of, uh, that, the amount of media or the amount of information people get from the mainstream media is, is just, is diminishing.

• 1:32:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, COVID sunk them. The way they handled COVID and the way they carried water for the pharmaceutical drug industry.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:32:13Joe Rogan?

  And Fauci.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  And the, yeah Fauci and now he's gonna walk.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Is he gonna walk because there's some talk about him possibly being set up for perjury, but there's only a week to go.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a week to go. I just don't, he'll get a stern letter from somebody in Washington.

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  That drives me crazy, man. I saw, you know, the big boys, you go down to the, the big hardware chain and they were allowing people to go in, but they closed down the little local ones and they closed the churches and the synagogues and everybody down.

• 1:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  And then we just all got in line. They just rang the bell and we're like Pavlov's dog and we just all got in line. I remember at my hospital in Knoxville, one of them, I came out there and, you know, to get tested. I got tested. I can't tell you how many times I got tested. I never tested positive. I've never took the vaccine or any of that, but I can remember coming out there and they had these, um, morgues they were setting up just in anticipation of, of what, and I just thought, man, this is, if this doesn't work out, this is the ultimate psy-op because people are gonna get rich off this crazy thing. And they did, you know, we, um.

• 1:33:11Joe Rogan?

  Greatest transfer of wealth.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  Unbelievably, unbelievably, yeah. And Congress just did it. We just did it and didn't ask any questions.

• 1:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like there's a real pandemic right now on this cruise ship. You know about that hentavirus?

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  That seems really crazy.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  And, and ticks. Watch that thing.

• 1:33:27Joe Rogan?

  The tick thing is nuts.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Comes with meat, comes with gates.

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's boxes, people are finding, and I don't know if this is true because I've seen many reports on it, but I'm just gonna say what I saw, that farmers and ranchers are finding boxes of ticks on their property. Now, I don't know if that's fake. I don't know if someone's setting that up to pretend they found these boxes of ticks, but there's videos of these people finding boxes of ticks.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  Now, what they'll say is, they'll probably say they're sterile ticks and that we're planting them out there so we can diminish the population is what they'll say, but anytime they try to mess with the balance of nature, it never goes right.

• 1:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Is that what they're saying this is?

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Nah, but just get ready. That's, you're getting it right here.

• 1:34:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe you have a, a right to go to someone's property and drop off sterile ticks.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  No way in hell.

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy either. But I have a good friend of mine who got bit by the Lone Star tick and has that alpha gal problem.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, a guy came out my house yesterday looking at putting gutters up at our house. And dad gummed me, he said, and I said, you did what? He goes, yeah, I can't eat anything, any meat produced by a mammal.

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yeah. So my buddy, he had it and my friend Evan, so he had it for a little while and then he did a bunch of treatments and got off of it and then started eating steak again. And he was fine for about a year and a half and then it came back stronger than ever. And he just can't shake it.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  It's been around that long.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. He can only eat eggs. I mean, he's basically eating eggs and vegetables. That's all he's eating. And every time he tries to deviate, he has a horrible reaction. It makes, for people that don't know, it makes your body allergic to red meat.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  Right. And who has got genetically made meat now?

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Bill Gates.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  Bill Gates.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:00Joe Rogan?

  You can't-

• 1:37:00Speaker 02

  It's like those beagles that they show that Fauci. I grew up with beagles. Sport number one, sport number two. They are the best dogs ever. And my Buzz was a Cavalier mix, but he was, we think, I'm not really sure, but he was a rescue dog. And that poor thing had never been on grass. And I see those dogs acting just like poor Buzz. He couldn't climb stairs and he was mistreated. He can't hear very well. And he's the sweetest dadgum dog, though. And those freaking beagles, I just, it rips my heart out. Because there's, right now, I've talked to scientists in the labs and they think there's, everything we can do now, we can do in the lab without, pretty much without-

• 1:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Without cruelty.

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  Without cruelty, without, you know, bringing in beagles. And why beagles? The whole thing just stinks to me.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  It's disgusting. It's very evil. I mean, look, I don't even like when they do it with rats.

• 1:37:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Joe Rogan?

  But doing it with puppies is insane. And then euthanizing them after you've forced them to be bitten over-

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  Mistreated, yeah.

• 1:37:59Joe Rogan?

  It's horrible. Yeah, he did some evil stuff. And he lied, like clearly lied. Lied to the American people about transmission, lied to the American people about preventing infection.

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  I can remember when they brought him to Congress and brought him into a meeting I was in. And I was in the back and he's a little short guy and I was like, who the heck is that? And he said, it's Fauci. And they brought him in and everybody started cheering. I thought I had a bad vibe on him then. And then you talk to gay folks, you know, he was involved in the AIDS-

• 1:38:29Joe Rogan?

  AZT.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  They got a bad feeling towards him.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Sure, I mean, he's the culprit, he's the villain in that movie, The Dallas Buyers Club. That's about him, preventing people from taking alternative medications. That sound familiar? Yeah, exactly what they did during COVID.

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  Right now, we're doing it. I was, I was in Blount County yesterday for a police officer's memorial service and an officer came up and said, you know, my child is, suffers from a rare disease and, and we can't get to this treatment and can you, can you put a bug in the present? I was, sure, you know, we'll try. But, and Trump's doing that a lot now with, and RFK, yeah, RFK Junior, people, they'll try to trash him and that's fine, he's a tough guy. But, um, he, um, a lot of those trials now are going forward, cancer and other things.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  And, and that's another reason they don't like Trump. Man, you talk about, I mean, you got big pharma, you got big agriculture and, um, you know, and a couple of others and they, they run the, they run the table, Joe, they run the table and they, I told somebody, you know, and of course, big energy, oil, you know, we get zero, I know it's a commodity and I'm going to get lit up that oil's a commodity and it, you know, the world market, but we get zero oil from Iran, zero. We, we export oil right now and yet the price is going through the roof. It's going through the roof because it can, they can. And I always say, well, how does that gasoline in the pumps go up? It's been in the, they've already

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  been processed, already been paid for, how does it go up exponentially just overnight? 20 cents a gallon or whatever. And how does that, and, and if that's because it's a commodity and birch it, you don't understand, how come that quart of oil that you, at the hardware store doesn't go up like that? Wouldn't it, it's processed oil, wouldn't it do the same? And of course, Diesel. It's your first cut, I think, is kerosene. Then it's diesel. And diesel, and I've got a diesel dooley. I filled it up yesterday. It's over a hundred dollars. You know, it is the cheapest, it is the roughest cut. You know, that's why you have these credible filters. Because it's dirty. And gasoline is the third or fourth cut. And it ought to be the most expensive, but it's not.

• 1:40:49Speaker 02

  I just think it's a racket. And every time they'll, they'll hold the hearings and they'll come down there and, and you know, and the oil companies will, you know, they'll shake that money tree. They know how to do it on both sides of the aisle.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  It happens all the time. I remember when Bush was leaving office, before Obama took office, where gasoline just went through the, through the roof. The probably, everybody was freaking out and no one could explain it. And it was just, I was like, look, they can. This is like the last chance they can to just jack up the prices, jack up the profits, hold everybody hostage. You have to get gas. You gotta drive to work.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  Got an old man in the White House.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they just jacked it up.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  It's payoff time.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  I just, uh, it is, and you know, and I'm a capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist. I make skateboards.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  You make skateboards?

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's cheaper than a psychiatrist.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  I go, I'm, I guess I'm a little bit like Trump. I like ketchup on my steak. Although I think he gets his well done. I get my medium rare. But, um,

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  You put ketchup on your steak? You should go to jail.

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  Does the Baptist church got a bus?

• 1:41:50Joe Rogan?

  That's terrible.

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  Yes, they do. And yes, I do.

• 1:41:51Joe Rogan?

  That's terrible.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  Anyway, no, I make skateboard. So I make this crazy skateboard for, um, for, um, Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of mine. She's, she's, she's kind of a,

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  I love her.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  I love her too. She is wonderful. And she's from Hawaii. So in Trump's first,

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's it.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  There it is. Okay. I made that skateboard.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Your Bigfoot skateboard?

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I put my sticker on it. It's made out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers off the banana plant.

• 1:42:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  And, um, and she, she outs me during the, um, Trump's first, and there's my guys at Pluto Sports. They put my wheels and trucks on. It's just a, they're guys I was in high school with.

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  Can you skate?

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah, but I don't do the fancy stuff.

• 1:42:30Joe Rogan?

  You don't do tricks?

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  Not anymore. I'm 61, dude. I don't heel like I did when I was 51, much less than I was a young man.

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  You're only a few years older than me.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  Well, you look good.

• 1:42:39Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  Sorry, man, I'm just, you know, people think I'm on steroids, but I'm naturally this huge. So, so, you see, Tulsi says, "Birch it." I said, "Hey Tulsi." She says, and she's walking in there to State of the Union, cameras, people are in. "Where's my dad gum skateboard? My birthday's next month." I'm like, "Oh crap." So, I make her this skateboard, right? And that picture comes out, and then people all over the world are saying, "Where can I get a Birch it board? Where can I get a Birch it board?" So, I'm Mr., you know, I'm trying to be ethical and, you know. And, uh, I, I wa, I go down to see the ethics guy, and this little attorney tells me, he says, "Well Congressman, you know, you gotta, you can't do that. You can't call it a Birch it board." You can't, you know, I said, "Well, my wife's got owned the company." And they think, "Well, maybe."

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  And then, "But you can't work there." And all this other stuff, and you know everybody down there's got a side hustle.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  And I've said, "Dude, so you're telling me I can do insider stock trading, but I can't sell a dad gum skateboard?" And the guy said, "That's correct." So, anyway, I got about 35 skateboards in my barn. I just keep making them, and I call my attorney.

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  You make them yourself?

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I say it's cheaper than a psychiatrist.

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  So you make them by hand?

• 1:43:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

• 1:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  You know, I have, um...

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:43:51Speaker 02

  I make them, I'm cheap, but, so I make them out of bamboo that I cut.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  Buddy of mine, Chris Poyner's got a bunch at his house, but I, I go to the synagogue, behind the synagogue on Kingston Pike, there's a bunch of bamboo, and they used to let me cut it. Now, when this airs, they probably won't. But, um, and then I, I get oak pallets, and, um, and banana fibers they grow off the banana plant, so, but anyway, I grow those.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  And just laminate it all?

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I used fiberglass with that, and I'm trying to get away from the carcinogens, you know, the cancer causing, so I, I use a Titebond 3 glue. It's waterproof and water-based. And then, um, and then I just sand them all down, and, cause, you know, you scuff them up after you ride them around anyway, so. Anyway, so I make them out of that and I laminate the wood and um my local, the steel labors, um they needed a project one year when I was mayor of Knox County and I, and somebody said, hey, they wanna, these guys wanna make a skateboard press. I said, do you want one? I said, yeah, I'll buy the metal. And I'm thinking, you know, they're gonna build me this little thing. No. I mean, it's like three burly, union metalworkers have to put this thing in the back of my daddy gum pickup truck. It is a monster. And it

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  um, and I can press them, but um, and I've got clamps. I do all of it. But anyway.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:06Joe Rogan?

  That's a cool hobby.

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  But I can't, but I can't sell them. I got, my wife's like, what are you doing out there? And I said, well, come out there and look at my boards, honey. I'm making skateboards. And I'm saying, I said, and she always, there.

• 1:45:16Joe Rogan?

  Look at you out there.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  That's one I, that was this, one I laminated up, but um, or it's side laminated, but my wife always says, honey, you go to it. She says, I'm sure, they laughed at the guy that created the pool noodle. That's her line, always.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Probably, right?

• 1:45:31Speaker 02

  My wife Kelly said, oh, yeah, yeah. It was just a piece of insulation off some old rental house and he threw it and the, his kids were swimming with it and he thought, man, I'm gonna take that 12 cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart and sell it for $6 a piece. Now, he's probably sitting on some island somewhere laughing at us right now. But, no, I make them and I've been trying to, anyway, it's very frustrating. I got a meeting with the attorneys, um, and the chairman of the ethics committee, who is a really good guy, you and I came to Congress together, and we're trying to work it out, so.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  It's not even, it's a lot of money in handmade skateboards. Like, the fact that you could have insider trading, you can't sell handmade skateboards is, that's ridiculous.

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  A little ridiculous, isn't it?

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it's like, what, because you're famous? Because you're on television?

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  Somebody's gonna, yeah, they're gonna sway my vote because they bought a dad gum skateboard from me. Yeah. I, I took one to an auction and, and um, and I think somebody paid $5,200 for one of those dad gums. And then some other guy comes up and says, Tim, I was at the bar and I missed it. If I give them fifty-two hundred, will you make me one? So I got a couple and then my friends in Claiborne County, um, the, uh, the mountains up there. They, um, they, uh, they chaired the committee and they asked me and I thought I was making one. And then I got out of there, I was making three. So I don't know. And then I, uh, people just like them and they put them on their wall. I mean, you know, you're not going to be in the Olympics with Tony Hawk's not going to go, hey, Tim Burchett, will you make me a board? You know, but it's, it's just for cruising down the sidewalk kind of thing.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. That's awesome. It sucks that they won't let you sell it though.

• 1:47:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. You sell your cell, but I can't sell a skateboard.

• 1:47:07Joe Rogan?

  Speaking of selling, um, you were telling me earlier before we started and I said, save this because I want to talk about this later.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  That the Taliban gets how many millions of dollars a week?

• 1:47:18Speaker 02

  About forty million dollars a week. Um, it all happened. I was on a, um, a podcast and they were talking about it and, um, Sean Ryan and he had, he-

• 1:47:32Joe Rogan?

  I love that dude.

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Great American, I love him.

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  Good man.

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  He's, he's a good Christian man. He's been through it. You know, he's an incredible guy, um, that they've asked to do horrible things. And people like that, I give them a wide path. I let them slide on a lot of things, but he's, he's a good daddy and, and, um, you know, he's, and he, he, he worries about our country. He reminds me a lot of my dad because dad was, you couldn't wake my dad up, um, to the day he died over the top of him, always by his big toe. Cause he, cause he might wake up on one of those islands and pin me against the wall. Right. His marine on Pelu and Okinawa and-

• 1:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:09Speaker 02

  Daddy's Colonel was a guy named Chesty Puller, Colonel Puller. You can look him up. He was a Marine Corps legend, but, and my daddy loved him, but- Anyway, the, um, I'm, I'm on this podcast with Sean and he says, hey, I want you to introduce Eli Crane. He's a, he's a, excuse me, Navy SEAL in Congress. He said, I want you to go on this podcast with Sean Ryan. I said, I don't know who Sean Ryan is. I don't, I'm not a podcast guy. I don't, my daughter always, give me your phone. I don't know how to do it. And all of a sudden I got a cool picture of her on there. I don't even know how she did it. But, so, I'm on there and, um, and he calls me and says, I want you to meet with this guy. He goes by the name Legend. And that's not his real name. But, um, he,

• 1:48:51Speaker 02

  um, he, he comes up, he comes into the office and he has to, he can't use his real name. And, uh, and says, look, they're getting forty million dollars a week. I said, who is? He said, the Taliban. And he's a, he's a, um, Afghani that fought for us. And so he's dual citizenship. Introduced, you know, I talked to the, last democratically elected president of Afghanistan through him on a, on a call. And, um, and he's a dear friend. And he comes by all the time and we talk. And, and so John Stout in my office, who's like, he's the best. I mean, this guy, his mom and daddy were in a very tragic car accident and they, um, they prayed through it and, and they both lived. I mean, daddy had to

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  get, you know, he was banged up and his momma's head got banged up pretty bad. And John's just, he's, he is the quintessential staffer because he's so loyal and he loves this country. And so he said, boss, I think I got an idea. I said, all right. So he figured out this monitoring thing where what they do is they, um, they send, they send pallets of cash to them through whatever. And they, uh, there's three banks and, um, over there that are owned by the Taliban. And everything goes through them. You know, the Lord takes ten percent with tithe and, but the Taliban takes a hell of a lot more. They take it right off the top and on ingress and egress. If you give them money or take money away, I

• 1:50:19Speaker 02

  mean, or if you spend money or put money in or whatever, you take in or pay out, they get their cut off of it every dad gum time. And so I'm thinking, this can't be right. So. I got a memo on my desk from the State Department. It's stamped classified, so I can't talk about it. But then it's stamped unclassified under it, so I can talk about it. And it basically said, under the Biden administration, they think we gave them $5 billion, with a B, $5 billion. Now, and you've got NGOs. Now, how many NGOs you think operate out of, over there?

• 1:50:54Joe Rogan?

  How many?

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  Over 1,000. And then you throw in the United Nations.

• 1:50:59Joe Rogan?

  Out of Afghanistan?

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  There's 1,000 NGOs?

• 1:51:02Speaker 02

  It's the freakinest, it's the biggest scam. NGOs, I wrote a letter to the President months ago, and I'm, they've tapped the brakes on the NGOs. I mean, some of them don't have any money, and some of them got a lot. But Elon Musk told me, like, I really know him. I mean, I hung out with him a couple of times, and we talked. Called me Tim, which I thought was pretty cool. But he says, uh, um, he says, "Tim, here's how these NGOs work." He said, you know, "They start out as a good organization, maybe during Bush I or Bush II. You know, a lot of those limousine liberals, do-gooders, you know, they start these organizations. And they, um, they set them up and, and to do, you know, feed the starving children, or whatever."

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  Well, they don't have any money in them, and some billionaire who we could, we all know, you can just name them, they'll drop a million in one of those. And then this unelected bureaucrat in Washington DC says, "Hey, they got a million dollars. This place is legit." And so they give them money. They put the money in there for them, and then they start running federal money through that, yours and my tax dollars. And he told me he thinks they stole over a trillion dollars. And I thought, at the time, I thought that was crazy. But then I start looking at, um, uh, you know, what happened in Minneapolis, Minnesota. 19 billion? Joe, when I went to state legislature...

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Our state budget of Tennessee wasn't $19 billion years ago, and so it's a lot more than that now. But that's the amount of fraud and waste and abuse that go on. Well, so backtrack to this deal. So I get involved with it, and it's just unbelievable. It took me two, I passed the bill twice. And the second time, my buddy John Stout in the office there, he comes up with an even stronger version. And so we send it to the Senate. And so we find out that there's a Senate staffer that, somebody said he's like the unofficial ambassador to Afghanistan.

• 1:53:05Speaker 02

  He's, I've literally read where he said, it seems, appears to me, complimentary things about the Taliban. Now, those people want to kill us. They'll, as I like to say, they'll hate us for free. We don't need to give them any money. Well, it's like pulling, it's like pulling teeth through my committee. The Democrats raised ruckus, and because, obviously, they don't want anybody looking at those NGOs. And the NGO money, now get this, it maybe a little bit goes to feed some starving kid, but a lot of it gets washed, and it goes back to the good old United States of America. Are you familiar with dark money and campaigns? Yes. You know, and I'll, the folks back home, the day before the election, the People

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  for American Justice approved this ad. Did you know Tim Burchett, you know, pushed his second grade girlfriend down in a mud puddle and never apologized? That's what happened, you know, and then paid for by the People for American Justice, you know? You know, and then, but what's happened is, is that money that you're sending over there is coming back in the form of dark money. And we've got, and I think both parties are involved with it at some point. I think the Democrats have had the... Had a run of it and they've they've got it. They've got it pretty much closed. They've got a pretty good market going on it, in my opinion. And there are probably some Republicans I think I know of that are that have some dark money too. And not necessarily from this,

• 1:54:29Speaker 02

  but from other things. And then you start talking about the UN. The UN has got and everybody says, "That's the UN, Burchett. We don't have any." Heck, we don't. We sponsor the freaking UN. If it was up to me, I'd pull out of the dead gum UN. They are nothing. All they do is get Americans killed. They they they talk ugly about us and then they take our dead gum money and we let them do it. Because crooked politicians are in bed. Washington is crooked as a dog's leg, Joe. And this and this bill makes them report it and and follow the money. So we know where it's going. And if it's going to the Taliban, it's out.

• 1:55:03Joe Rogan?

  So can you just explain to me how they would justify sending money to the Taliban? And what is what is the circumstance?

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  They justify it by saying it doesn't happen. They justify it by saying it doesn't happen. But I'm talking to a guy, this guy, Legend, who's got people on the ground. And the people over there, the Freedom Party are saying, "Please quit sending them money. Please." And, you know, they when we left over there, you know, we left how many billions of dollars worth of armaments on the ground. They said, "Oh, you know, I mean, I heard Democrats saying, "Well, those people can't fly those high end choppers." Well, you know who could? The dead gum Chinese who were on the ground before we got out of there. So it's it's just a crooked game. It's a small portion. I know.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  But explain, how's the money getting to them?

• 1:55:52Speaker 02

  Okay, it is sent to them through these NGOs and other organizations. And so.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  So we fund the NGOs.

• 1:56:00Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:56:01Joe Rogan?

  The NGOs send money to the Taliban. Why would they do that?

• 1:56:04Speaker 02

  Because they get a cutoff of it. They don't care.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so the Taliban gets 40 million and then they send that money back?

• 1:56:14Speaker 02

  Some of it comes back and some of it doesn't.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  But as long as they get a piece of it, they don't care how much the Taliban gets.

• 1:56:21Speaker 02

  Right, right. This requires a report on any cash assistant programs in Afghanistan and how the US keeps the Taliban from assessing that. And it requires a report on the Afghan Fund and the Afghanistan Central Bank. And these reports, of course, would shed light on the Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan Central Bank. And you can, you can research it. A lot of it is, is these do-gooder programs. You know, oh man, we're taking care of the orphans, we're taking care of this. And you know good and well, they ain't taking care of any dad gum orphans. They're stealing the money to do it. And it just infuriates me. And then I hear them say, well, it's not happening. I say, well, if it's not happening, then dad gum it passed the bill. What's it hurt? What's it hurt? We pass worthless legislation

• 1:57:03Speaker 02

  every dad gum day. And, you know, and I can't get a peep. I said to Thon, when he came in, when King Charles was in, which was kind of funny too. I had a funny conversation, King Charles.

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  By the way, no kings.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  I'm not a king. Yeah, yeah. What about that? I was kept.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  No kings, everybody cheered?

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  What the heck?

• 1:57:17Speaker 04

  There's a picture.

• 1:57:18Speaker 02

  There's a picture of me. I did a video on my ex account, at Tim Burchett. See, I threw that plug in, but.

• 1:57:24Joe Rogan?

  Central Bank of Afghanistan said it received another injection of $40 million in cash this week. And this is literally hundred dollar bills in stacks. Is that real? Is that what, is that a stock photo? Or is that them showing a photograph of the money they received?

• 1:57:39Speaker 02

  I'd say it's.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  Because I can't imagine they're sending bricks of cash.

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's pallets. It's called a pallet of cash.

• 1:57:45Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:57:46Speaker 04

  I'm reading through this explanation of it from these reports. It's, uh, he's saying exactly what these are all saying, but this is a lot of.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  And I'm not as, I'm, look.

• 1:57:53Speaker 04

  Explanation in here.

• 1:57:54Speaker 02

  I got a, I got a mutual fund. I don't understand all the money, but when I sit here, $40 million going overseas.

• 1:58:01Joe Rogan?

  But in cash too is crazy.

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  There's no record of it.

• 1:58:04Joe Rogan?

  Take it and divvy it up and.

• 1:58:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is like.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  We print it every day.

• 1:58:08Speaker 04

  The UN is responsible for purchasing, transporting, and transferring at least $2.9 billion in US currency to Afghanistan. This was from 2024, I think, when this was printed. So that they have to find the cash on, you know.

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  Call your senator and say, I want this dad gum bill on the floor.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  It's passed the committee and it was like pulling teeth. It was, because apparently I offended somebody, which I'm sure I did now, but.

• 1:58:33Joe Rogan?

  But I don't understand why anybody wouldn't recognize that giving money to an organization that hates us, a fundamentalist religious organization that hates us.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  They're not a religion. They're not a religion. They're a, they're a. A cult or um.

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, whatever you want to call it. Since its first cash shipment, UN has made at least eighty purchases of cash for transport to Afghanistan. Eighty. Eighty purchases of forty million dollars. The UN reported reported that it began purchasing and shipping cash because of Afghan's banks inability to participate in international wire transfers and Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency circulating throughout its economy. Oh, so we gotta help them out and give forty million dollars a week.

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the starving kids are still starving and the little orphans aren't being taken care of. And they're still throwing gays off of buildings and poking little girls' eyes

• 1:59:25Joe Rogan?

  Are there any gays left?

• 1:59:27Speaker 02

  They gotta be in the closet.

• 1:59:28Joe Rogan?

  They are in the closet. There's a lot of that, a lot of pedophilia. I have some buddies that served over there that told me some horrible stories.

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  This guy was wanted to, yeah, a guy was gonna frag a Afghan general or something one time he told me and he used to work for me and he had, he had mental issues over it.

• 1:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I've heard horrible, horrible stories.

• 1:59:46Speaker 02

  My dad, my dad wouldn't go back to Okinawa because of, if I can digress quickly, uh, they, daddy went back for the fiftieth anniversary of the invasion of Pele and he said, I said, you gonna go back to fifty, because, you know, those Marines, that's not a lot of those guys are left, you know, and they're all gone now, but he said, I ain't gonna go back to Okinawa. And he said, he told me this story, he said, they came over this hill and of course there caught a bunch of Japanese out in this field. He's called, dad called it a lucky strike. Dad loved a Corsair, they can dive at over four hundred miles an hour and just lit them up, caught them out, obliterated them, and they run up on them. And they had been raping some of the islanders or Korean girls that they'd, they'd collected. And, and I think

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  that messed with my dad. Of all the stuff he saw, blowing caves and shooting people up close, and that's what, and he said, I won't go into it because I got a daughter that's gonna be watching this thing. But, um, it was, and that's, that's what scarred my daddy. You'd have loved him. He was, my buddy, my buddy Chris Agard, he got a, he got a Acura for Christmas. It was a bright red Acura. And, you know, Acura's not made in America at the time. And Dad goes, "Hag?" He says, and my daddy was a dean at UT, dean of student college, "Where's that thing made?" And he goes, "I reckon it's made in Japan, CB." And Dad goes, "I reckon you're gonna be parking that thing out in the street."

• 2:01:13Speaker 02

  Daddy just went back in the kitchen, Hag went out and moved his Acura out in the street. Nobody messed with my dad. He was, I remember the neighbor one time, she comes over here and said, "Somebody's in my house." And I was like, "What?" And I'm downstairs. And I run upstairs and Dad runs by me with a Browning High Power. I mean, he's probably 70 years old. And he was clearing that house. He ran in that house. And I remember my mom was on the phone and he said, "Don't shoot my husband. He's in a blue powder leisure suit." Oh, man. He was something else. He was, yeah, Mama was something else, too. They were, they were, they were real Christians, so they weren't bumper sticker kind of Christians. That's awesome. People would, I would, to this day, I don't like, I love the Waffle House. You

• 2:01:55Speaker 02

  know, it's America's premier steakhouse. And I go in there and, and I don't, I don't like eating breakfast food any other time than at breakfast. Because I can always remember as a little boy, Daddy would always pick up somebody on the interstate, somebody broke down, black folks, white folks, you know, anybody. And, or some UT student that was having a little rough go and bring him to the house. And there wouldn't be enough hamburgers for me, my brother, sister, and I, and the five of us. And, but Mama could make enough breakfast. And I always knew that Daddy had brought somebody home and we were gonna be eating breakfast for supper. And that always ticked me off as a kid, you know. I didn't understand at the time. But now, I realize I had pretty cool parents, so.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  Can I show you a cool picture of my mama?

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:02:38Speaker 02

  She flew an airplane during the Second World War. She was, um, I was hanging out with Kid Rock one time, and I'm gonna use a little language here, Bobby, and, um, and I said, I know your, your thing is you're the American badass. I said, but I was raised by the American badasses, and I got pictures of Dad on Pellou in Okinawa and with his Thompson submachine gun stuff. Here's my mama. Somebody colorized this. She's just a little country girl.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03:02Speaker 02

  And flying an airplane during the Second. Her brother Roy, who was thirty-three years old, got killed in the hedgerows.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  She's a beautiful woman. They colorized that.

• 2:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  And I'm an unrepentant mama's boy.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy picture.

• 2:03:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy. She got her foot up. And I've got a picture of my daughter. We were at the airshow, and the guy had a biplane over there, and he wasn't gonna.

• 2:03:21Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 2:03:22Speaker 02

  There it is. That's the one. Oh, thank you, Jamie. You're the man. But that's in Nashville.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  And somebody, it was National Women's Aviators Day, and everybody's showing all these pictures of these women. And I, I said, well, I'm gonna have to one-up y'all. And I, I put that up there, and somebody sent it to me. I didn't know, just a supporter, not even in my district, and they colorized it for me.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  And so I was, uh, you know, and that company that, uh, I can't read the name off of, of the parachute, but I think they're still in business. And, but anyway, that was in Nashville. You can see it. They're on dirt. And, um, and the, the crazy thing was, when she qualified, I don't know how long, how many, how long you gotta fly with an instructor before you solo. Well, they messed up, and they did it in half, they, they did the math wrong on it, which was crazy, because mama was a math teacher, but she was a country girl, and she, she was, she's in it for the fight. And she's a lot like my wife. My wife is a fighter, too. She, phew, um, you don't even get between her, anybody in our family. But, but, um, mama, um, they, uh, she solowed in half the time that she was supposed to. And, you know, the war's

• 2:04:24Speaker 02

  going on, and, and they, I've, I've still got her little logbook, and, um, and they tried to redo the math on it, and it was wrong. But, you know, mama just, daddy said, yeah, I bet she cleared out a fence row when she landed. And then, uh, no, she was pretty cool.

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be in a, a terrible slap in the face of these people that served in Afghanistan to find out that the Taliban's getting.

• 2:04:47Speaker 02

  My buddy Eli Crane. I just look over at him, and he's one beautiful human being. I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy. And, um,

• 2:04:57Speaker 02

  Lone survivor.

• 2:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Marcus Luttrell?

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, his brother is a.

• 2:05:01Joe Rogan?

  Morgan?

• 2:05:02Speaker 02

  Morgan, yeah, he's the catcher on our, on our baseball team. And I was out there one day and we were, we, we, we don't actually practice in the best part of town and, but we've got security everywhere because when they shot Scalise and all those guys years back, we've got, I feel very secure. And I heard this pop, pop, pop, pop. And, and this young officer, DC officer said, Capitol policeman said, it's okay, guys. I think it's fireworks. And Morgan took his hat off and goes, Burchett, that was gunfire. And I thought, I'm going with what Morgan says. I'm not going with what this guy up here says. They never fired a shot in anger. And, and I love those guys. They're wonderful people and I do too. I, I, I hurt for them. I used to hurt for my daddy because he would, he'd talk about China.

• 2:05:47Speaker 02

  They went to China after the war and he fought the communist over there for a short while. And then, before he left the Marine Corps, but how we just turned them over and that, he would talk about that and he would, he would be visibly upset and walk away because of that, you know, these, we just, we want to get these wars over and we don't, we don't deal with the repercussions. We don't deal with the repercussions of, we got warriors that we need to heal and we gotta, you know, and, and it's just very frustrating to me.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you know, kudos to Trump for passing this psychedelics bill.

• 2:06:21Speaker 02

  Oh, good gosh, I saw you on that. I love that. I, I talked, because I, I didn't know anything about it. And I, and I asked, I asked some of those guys about it before and they said, oh yeah, Burchett, it's, I, one of, one member confided in me that he, you know, because he'd been in some of the mess and he, and I, and I told him, I said, you know, my daddy was, had anger issues and stuff. He never beat mama or me or anybody, but.

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  How could you not?

• 2:06:46Speaker 02

  Gosh, I know.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  How could you expect? That's the crazy thing. You expect this of people to do horrible things and to see horrible things and to come back and just go to the grocery store.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Just be normal.

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:57Joe Rogan?

  Just sit in traffic, be normal.

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  I remember one time we were at a UT football game and I was a little boy, I must've been four or five and. And that we were on the 50 yard line. It was in the 60s and they they let you bring these cowbells and it was the last game. They let you bring cowbells too. I don't even probably do it now, but back then they they and so this guy was sitting behind us and he was drunk and he and he took the Lord's name in vain. And my daddy said, hey, he said, we got ladies down here. You know, my sister, who was probably seven or eight and or and my mama was there. And the guy said, okay. And then the guy spilled his drink on my dad and my mama grabbed us all us kids and just rushed us out. And and I remembered I was like, no, what's daddy doing? You know, and the UT cops, they loved my daddy

• 2:07:40Speaker 02

  because he was Dean of Student Conduct. He always backed them up. And they come running down the aisle and literally my dad beat these guys ass, all three of them, right there on the 50 yard line at Neyland Stadium. And I was just a little boy and I was like, he didn't give high fives back then, but if I had, I would have given him because he was, he was pretty incredible guy.

• 2:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, guy's been to war like that man had and come back and.

• 2:08:04Speaker 02

  And it wasn't any different than thousands of other of his buddies, you know, they would get together and talk about stuff and and I, you know, we didn't drink in the house. My mom and daddy didn't let me have a beer can collection. And daddy's buddy, Red Welch, came over and Red drank beer at the at the dinner table. And it was in the 80s. I was in, I was, gosh, I was getting ready to go to college. And that was still no beer in the house. And Red was drinking beer. And I said, Daddy, I said, what's the deal with Red drinking beer? And he said, buddy, he said, you get pinned down on one of them islands and you got, you know, you're gonna get, you're gonna leave this earth pretty soon. There's one guy that comes running for you. He can do pretty much whatever he wants to in your house. And that was Red. I found an old picture of him and daddy in

• 2:08:46Speaker 02

  China the other day. But yeah, daddy had a, he had a great life, though. He had a great life. Him and mama are both buried at Veteran Cemetery there in Knoxville. And, you know, to this day, I'm 61 years old. And if I go up there, I I think about them and their sacrifice and I cry like a baby. Because I I go to that Capitol, Joe, and I see people just that are just gonna throw it all away, throw it all away. And to me, that's just, that's, that is unforgivable, unforgivable.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm very happy that some of these people that have experienced these horrible things have at least a pathway to relief now.

• 2:09:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that is, and thank you for getting involved, brother. That is, that was huge.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, thank Rick Perry.

• 2:09:30Speaker 02

  Do what?

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Thank Rick Perry.

• 2:09:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, because if it wasn't for them explaining to me what they've been through and how it's helped people, and all the other people that I know, like Marcus, Latrell was a friend.

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  Dude, it wouldn't have happened. I talked to everybody, and they said it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't been for you. You use that microphone for, for good, and I appreciate it, because a lot of people aren't.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I never asked them for anything.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Up until that moment, and I was like, if there's a thing that I could do that might make the world a little bit of a better place. And the fact that those things were made illegal in the first place is just ridiculous.

• 2:10:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  It should have never happened. They should have been studied, and we could understand how they could help people, especially when you consider how many people are on antidepressants in this country.

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  Oh, it's epidemic.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Tim Walz's daughter, the guy who was running for vice president, his daughter just made a post on social media where she was talking about how she's been on them for 15 years, and she's realizing that they're a real problem. And she, every time she's tried to get off, it's been devastating.

• 2:10:29Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:10:30Joe Rogan?

  And I know people that have also been on them, that they try to get off them, like my friend Theo Vaughn. And the roof falls off. And like, every time he starts talking about something that drives him crazy, I just gotta kind of rein him in and just like, calm down. Like, you know, if you've had friends take their lives, and I've had a few.

• 2:10:48Speaker 02

  I've had quite a few.

• 2:10:49Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a horrible feeling when you think about it and you go, what could I have done? What could I have said? How could I have?

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  And so much so, we don't know. My oldest friend in the world, a guy named Scott Davis, he and I were at Little Red Schoolhouse together. His, his brother took his life, and he was, he suffered from depression. And this was in the 80s, and we didn't understand it. You know, I was with a guy yesterday, one of his best friends, Ben Testerman, he was telling me. You know, I talked to him, you know, I came home, he was a professional tennis player. And he came home and was talking to Jeff and he said, I just feel like I'm in a hole. And nobody gets that. And people will say to him, I hear people all the time say, say, hey, just get over it, man. You know, go for a jog. And there's some freaking chemical imbalance that we don't understand. Something has happened that's jarred them that we don't understand.

• 2:11:40Speaker 02

  And that is if, if there's one avenue that gets it, you know, and, but Big Pharma, again, Big Ag, Big Pharma, it's like hemp. Why the hell are we not growing hemp? It just drives me crazy.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  It drives me crazy as well. It doesn't make any sense, especially when you find out all the stuff that is legal. It's like, have some consistency. It doesn't make any sense.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  How many people do we lose every year? And a lot of my friends are in the alcohol business, but it's a personal responsibility issue with me. You know, if you do it, it's your business, but if you break the law, you know, you're going to the hooch, gal.

• 2:12:10Joe Rogan?

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• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details. Yeah, and listen, I'm not a big drinker, but I think you should be allowed to drink. I don't think there's anything wrong with being allowed to smoke cigarettes. If that's what you want to do, you should be able to do it. I believe in freedom. But I think we should be consistent. And the fact that there's these things that could help people that are suffering from depression, that are suffering from opioid addiction, that are suffering from all sorts of PTSD and CTE, and that we have this thing that we've known about for decades, and the only person had the courage to try to push an executive order is Trump? And if I Again. Help that? Again. He is enemy number one with a lot of those people.

• 2:15:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, thank God he's got the kind of courage that he has to push stuff like that through. The guts. It's going to change a lot of humans' lives, a lot of veterans' lives, a lot of first responders, a lot of police officers, a lot of people that have experienced violent crime. It's going to change a lot of people's lives. Women that have been abused. Yes. And All the above. And they're not going to be walking around like some kind of crazy zombies thing. It's a very controlled thing. Especially Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not recreational in any shape or form. No one's taking it recreationally. I've never done it, but I've heard it's a terrible experience. But you come out on the under end of it. Rick Perry was also talking about how he's experienced natural brain atrophy, being a man in his 70s.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  He went and got an examination after he did it and his brain atrophy had dropped by 25%. He went back in six months later, was all gone. Just that alone.

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Think about all the elderly people out there that are suffering for memory loss and all these different issues that people have. That that could fix them? And that it's literally just one experience that you have that takes 12 hours and when it's over, you're better? That's crazy and that we've keep kept this from people? There's no chance of people being addicted?

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  The money.

• 2:16:16Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but at some point in time, we've got to be human.

• 2:16:18Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  All these money people have to realize, you're only you only have a certain amount of time on on this planet.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  You need to shut them out.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  You have an opportunity to make the world a better place. And we gotta say no to people that just want personal money. They just want personal funds that gonna go to their money, that's gonna go to their bank accounts, gonna go to their company, their corporation. Personal benefit at at the expense of who knows how many people, including literal heroes.

• 2:16:46Speaker 02

  When's enough enough for those guys?

• 2:16:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when is enough enough? I mean, this is the same feeling that I have about this disclosure stuff. Like, I don't care what it's gonna affect, I don't care, like, if there is real things out there that we don't know about. You, as a human being, have no right to keep that from the rest of humanity. There's, I don't care what your title is, I don't care what three-letter organization you work for. You're a human being and you have an obligation to the other human beings to alert us. The fact that there's people that have, if this is real, there's people that have gone to their grave with this information that would literally change the course of human history. That's a crime. It's a real crime.

• 2:17:28Speaker 02

  Could you imagine the poor countries, the people that suffer, you know, the deserts and things like that? If you could, you could cool their... Huts or whatever.

• 2:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:17:37Speaker 02

  And we get out of these worthless wars which are over all, all the time.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:17:42Speaker 02

  And it just, it would end it all. And just a stroke of a pen almost.

• 2:17:46Joe Rogan?

  What do you think it is? Like when, when you?

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  I've, I go back and forth. I, I know it's a little crazy and this will probably cost me election because they've tried to use it against me in the past.

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  It will only help you at this point.

• 2:17:57Speaker 02

  Well, I think, um, I think we need to look at these deep water areas. I have a hard time believing that something can travel light years in some suspended sta- they have to be in some kind of suspended state. So I have a trouble with that. Um, those five gentlemen that came to my house, four or five, that came to my house that time, they were talking about a moon that was around Saturn or Jupiter that they'd done some testing with that they, that they think would be capable of something. And the moon was larger than our earth, of course. But, um.

• 2:18:29Joe Rogan?

  There's a moon that's larger than our earth?

• 2:18:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, around Jupiter or Saturn, I believe.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't make any sense. I don't think that's correct.

• 2:18:35Speaker 02

  Well, maybe I'm wrong. Check it out, dude.

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. There's no moons that are larger than a planet.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  No, it's not.

• 2:18:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. Our planet.

• 2:18:42Speaker 02

  Well.

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe that's true.

• 2:18:44Speaker 02

  Circles around it. I don't know. Anyway, I'm wrong.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Is that, is that accurate? Oh. Do I not know about this? This one says earth's moon though. Yeah, but there's not, I don't believe there's a moon out there that's larger than our planet.

• 2:18:54Speaker 02

  These guys seem to think that something can travel from there and it was the quantum physics. I, you know, after talking to that admiral, you know, it makes me wonder if there is something in these deep ocean areas that the old cliche, we know more about the surface of the moon than we do the surface of the ocean floor. In some areas, I think it's true because we're, we're not down there.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Logically, this is, that's the one place where we don't go and it covers 75% of the earth, at least, right?

• 2:19:20Speaker 02

  And if you wanted to hide, that would be, that'd be the spot.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if you were monitoring humans, let's say that humans are on this path of technological evolution and then they've recognized that humans have split the atom. We've developed atomic weapons and we've used them. And they want to make sure that we don't blow up the entire planet before we achieve some sort of enlightenment.

• 2:19:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Before we bypass whatever territorial primate.

• 2:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Monkey brain stuff that we have that's causing us to have all these wars and do all these things that we shouldn't be doing.

• 2:19:54Speaker 02

  Stupid stuff.

• 2:19:55Joe Rogan?

  And that we're on our way to, we're getting better, we're clearly better than we were a thousand years ago and better than we were three thousand years ago. We're on our way to being a more advanced civilization, but it's possible that we could screw it all up at any point in time and blow ourselves to smithereens. I would imagine they would want to monitor us.

• 2:20:11Speaker 02

  One maniac in Iran.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:13Speaker 02

  If they hadn't had stopped that, their nuclear, I'm convinced that they're, I mean, they were out for Armageddon, they'd have launched something, they had the capabilities to go all the way to England. I think if they put one close to Israel, it'd be over. And you know, people like North Korea who have terrible technology on missiles, the biggest threat there was if they put one up in the air that the nuclear cloud could blow over China. And so there's, that could have had some incredible bad repercussions.

• 2:20:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, the fact that there's so many different countries that have nuclear weapons.

• 2:20:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  And we're just relying on these people to keep their shit together is nuts.

• 2:20:46Speaker 02

  It's nuts.

• 2:20:46Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 2:20:47Speaker 02

  Completely nuts.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:48Speaker 02

  And they're, and they're maniacs.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's, it makes sense that if you were a super advanced life form from wherever, that if you wanted to have a base, some sort of a base where you'd monitor us, it would be in the ocean.

• 2:21:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  You'd be right there, you could get out of it real quick and go to wherever you wanted to go.

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  Orbs was the thing I was thinking of earlier.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Orbs.

• 2:21:09Speaker 02

  Orbs.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:10Speaker 02

  That's, that's the new word that you hear a lot of.

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:21:12Speaker 02

  And it's, it's getting away from saucers and...

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with orbs where people say that they could summon them.

• 2:21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm not on that.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  There's someone, a friend of mine wants me to go and do it with her. She's, she's, uh, my friend's wife is like experienced it and she's like, you gotta try it. I'm like, oh.

• 2:21:29Speaker 02

  Now, that to me is...

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  I'll, I'll say who it is when she comes on the podcast next.

• 2:21:32Speaker 02

  That's alright.

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, I don't have permission to talk about it, I don't know if she wants me to talk about it, but, uh, I'm like, okay, what do we gotta do?

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  Be careful about the sex cult angle.

• 2:21:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's not. That's not more about that.

• 2:21:44Speaker 02

  I know you're a good looking guy, Joe.

• 2:21:45Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 2:21:46Speaker 02

  She might be digging you.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, this ain't that. This is not that. She's been my friend for twenty years. It's not. The, she's married to my friend. She has kids.

• 2:21:54Speaker 02

  No, I'm saying the angle that they use.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, this lady's not that one. She's a comedian.

• 2:21:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:21:59Joe Rogan?

  This is not that. Uh, is, but there are a lot of kooky people that do, uh, have sex cults. That, the sex cults, every cult turns into a sex cult. Right?

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  Power.

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, I almost bought a building in Austin that was owned by a cult.

• 2:22:14Speaker 02

  No, really?

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, the original comedy mothership was, uh, the original location was a place called the One World Theater. The One World Theater was owned by this cult. And, uh, I kinda knew about it because Ron White told me about it. Cause they had this theater that they built to, uh, so that their leader can perform in front of them. And then the cult got disbanded, the cult, there's a documentary about the cult called Holy Hell. And, uh, yeah, it's crazy. It's cra- but it's a sex cult. There was a guy who is a, get this. He, he started out in California and he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. Which is a wonderful combination if you wanna start a cult.

• 2:22:54Speaker 02

  Like you do.

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and also a yoga teacher. So he starts out teaching these people yoga and I've never taken yoga before. I've taken a bunch of yoga classes with a bunch of different instructors and most of them have been amazing. But a few of them were very culty, very culty. And there's this one guy that I took classes from way back in the day, like more than twenty years ago. And he was in California and he was sleeping with a bunch of the ladies that were there and he was kind of, he was kinda like a cult guy. Like he was like-

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  Or following him and getting drug into it.

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Singing, singing stupid songs, but it was like very full of himself. It was gross. He was gross and, you know, everything wound up falling apart for that guy.

• 2:23:33Speaker 02

  And then he ran for congress and-

• 2:23:34Joe Rogan?

  Ah, but there's a lot of these people that for whatever reason, that's where it all boils down to. They wanna have sex with everybody's wife and they wanna run at everything and they want, you know, run of the mill and type, you know. It's very strange, but-

• 2:23:47Speaker 02

  That's where the demonic stuff comes in with Christians, when you call these things down.

• 2:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, why do you think that that has to do with sex cults? Why would the aliens have to do with that or whatever they are?

• 2:23:56Speaker 02

  I don't think it's the aliens. I think it's, um, I just think some people are abusing the, the people's, they, they think that- They're using their belief in UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of thing and.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  Have you knowledge of this kind of stuff?

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get all of it. I hear about all of it.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Can you name names? Can you talk about like?

• 2:24:16Speaker 02

  Not on the air. I don't want to get sued.

• 2:24:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay, um, so the underwater bases, uh, or the underwater.

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  This is what an admiral, this is what an admiral told me, okay?

• 2:24:27Joe Rogan?

  So, did he say locations that these things are coming from? Or is there an actual physical base that they've observed?

• 2:24:35Speaker 02

  He said that the, they don't have the capabilities to get down that deep, actually. Um, but they did say that, that the sightings were happening in about, in, in, I think, four of the five deep water areas around our world.

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  And so.

• 2:24:52Speaker 02

  And he didn't have any other, you know, and then I was on talking about it. And somebody said, Tim Burchett says that they're underwater bases, you know, and then, um, you know, and they, they had, uh, Gates was on the other day and he, so he was, he was briefed. I just told what I was briefed on and he was briefed by a guy that said, it was in, in uniform, that said that they were breeding, um, they were capturing people and breeding them with, with these aliens. And, you know, he just talked.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  So, yeah, he was on, you can pull it up. I mean, Matt Gates, he talked about it. He, he didn't say he believed it, but, you know, we talk about, we get briefed on, that's what I'm talking about, the psyop. Like, here's part of the problem too. They bring you information and you go forward with this and this is, oh, this is the truth, you know, these underwater bases, whatever. And then they prove it doesn't exist and then they just discredit you and they discredit the whole movement. So that's why I'm very cautious anytime anybody brings me any information or pictures or testimony or, you know, third cousin's recollection.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is, the disinformation thing is a problem. They'll tell you some truth and mix it in with some really kooky stuff. And then you say the kooky stuff along with it and the kooky stuff just discredits everything that's true.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And Lazar talked about that too. He said they would. Tell people certain things that weren't true and they would tell different people different things that weren't true. So if the story got leaked out, they would know who leaked it. It was like a hook. So that anchor would be like, oh, that was Mike. Mike told the story.

• 2:26:26Speaker 02

  That's when I always warn our other members when we go into the skiff and talk about stuff that, you know, this, this first time I've ever heard that one, or, or that's, that's sort of what we heard the last time. And then I'd say, everybody just be real careful with it because if it, if it gets out, then they'll come after you, or if they want it to get out so they can discredit you and make you look like a fool.

• 2:26:51Joe Rogan?

  So they talk to you about deep water areas where sightings occur. And so it's just a presumption that somewhere in that deep water they're emanating from, that they're...

• 2:27:01Speaker 02

  Well, he also, he described, um...

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  It is, Gates claims whistleblower told him of alien human hybrid program. The alleged program involved captured extraterrestrials mating with abducted humans from war zones and migrant caravans to create hybrids for intergalactic communication. He claimed the whistleblower identified between six and 12 such facilities in the US and sought coordinated congressional visits to prevent relocation of the activities, though Gates did not verify any of the information. How could you?

• 2:27:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:38Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna talk to the hybrids?

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:41Speaker 04

  Also the...

• 2:27:41Speaker 02

  I just wanna go, I just wanna go to the t-shirt show.

• 2:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the pastors thing that I sent you, Jamie, is kind of bonkers. What do you think about all this?

• 2:27:48Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't buy that. I don't, I...

• 2:27:50Joe Rogan?

  So this is a guy, it says, his name is Alan Dido.

• 2:27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:54Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, it's weird. Capital D, lowercase i, capital D, lowercase i, oh.

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  D D O.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  D D O? Um, after sitting in a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these investigations, the message was clear, UFO and UAP disclosure is coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what are they preparing the people for? Like, what, why would they bring in-

• 2:28:22Speaker 02

  A group of pastors I've never heard of. I, you know, I would think-

• 2:28:24Joe Rogan?

  Is this BS?

• 2:28:25Speaker 02

  I do. I think it is. I think if he'd have brought anybody, he'd have brought Franklin Graham in.

• 2:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his, uh-

• 2:28:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, he runs, well, I mean, he also has a show, which is, uh-

• 2:28:36Speaker 02

  Of course he does.

• 2:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Of course he does. Oh, so his show is about disclosure?

• 2:28:40Speaker 04

  The Revival Nation Church or something? No, no, I don't know that. This is just what these clips are coming around.

• 2:28:45Joe Rogan?

  Can you click on his bio, please? Like, what it clicks, what it says? "Equipping end time believers for the next great awakening." Oh, boy.

• 2:28:55Speaker 04

  I also saw another pastor talk-

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  I would warn people that think we're in the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that. It says that they don't even, the angels in heaven don't even know-

• 2:29:04Joe Rogan?

  When the end times are?

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  When the end's coming, so, yeah.

• 2:29:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, I'm always very suspicious of people that say the end times are coming. I remember when we were, I was living in LA, there was a billboard. Do you remember those billboards, Jamie? Where there was, the guy was like saying a very specific date where the end was coming. The rapture was gonna, and then it didn't happen. He's like, "Oh, I got some bad information. It's coming soon."

• 2:29:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. I did my math wrong. I remember, I see those all the time. I just shake my head. It ain't happening.

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the guy. May 21st, 2011. Cry mightily unto God. Judgment Day. Oh, boy. And it's, look at, look at the gold stamp. The Bible guarantees it. By the way, I read the Bible. I've never read anything where there's a guarantee of this day.

• 2:29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  May 21st, 2011. Yeah. Um, so, when they tell you things, is there anything that they tell you that you could tell us? Like, how much of what they told you is like completely top secret that you're not allowed to say until they disclose it?

• 2:30:02Speaker 02

  A lot of it.

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  A lot of it.

• 2:30:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Is there anything that really disturbs you?

• 2:30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. We had one meeting and it got into some- Stuff that they were talking about and the treatment of people and the capabilities. And this was.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Treatment of people by these supposed extraterrestrials?

• 2:30:22Speaker 02

  No, by our own government, but that we're trying to come forward with this stuff. But also, yeah, they told me some pretty creepy stuff. So I would, again, yeah, bring this out and then they're busting my ass for it.

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  What do you think is going on? Like, so.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  I think it's a cover up. I think there's something else out there. I do not think we're the best that God can do. And I really just don't know, Joe. There's so many options it could be.

• 2:30:51Speaker 02

  One of these groups that met with me, they described several different types of beings. And they go through all of them, you know.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  How many different types of beings?

• 2:31:03Speaker 02

  I don't know, three, four, five, I don't know. It just changes. I don't, I don't get caught up in that. And I tell our guys, I say, look, here's the argument. Just say, I just want to know what we're spending tens of millions of dollars on. That's all. I don't care if, I don't, it's not about little green men. It's not about flying saucers. It's what are we spending this money on if they say they don't exist? That should be the answer, the question, and then the answer will come from that.

• 2:31:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So if they do exist, when you say you think it's a cover up, what do you think?

• 2:31:35Speaker 02

  I think, I think, I think, well, I think they really do exist. And I don't think that there's such a, such a finite group of people that actually know it. And, and you got a lot of charlatans out there that say they know it. And they're out there selling memberships.

• 2:31:49Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  But I think there's, there's something to it.

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  I'm always very suspicious of anybody who speaks definitively about something like that where you can't possibly know. And then they don't offer up any proof of this.

• 2:32:02Speaker 02

  And they say, well, I've seen the pictures. Well, bring me the dad gum pictures.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:06Speaker 02

  But I have seen some pictures and I have seen video and I have.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  What's the most convincing thing that you've seen?

• 2:32:13Speaker 02

  I don't know, those guys came out the house, that was pretty convincing. You know, that was before the, um, before the hearings that we had.

• 2:32:20Joe Rogan?

  How clear was the video?

• 2:32:23Speaker 02

  Clear as the screen. I mean, it was pretty clear. Um, you know, and that was pre-AI. AI was such a new thing. And then it fit in with what the Tic Tac videos were. And the, um, the heat signature is what always, what I always thought was unusual. Cause it had to have a heat signature, but it didn't.

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:44Speaker 02

  It's a zero point energy, whatever that is.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:47Speaker 02

  And, and the, just the quantum physics angle of it is mind blowing to me.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  And you have no knowledge of what's supposed to be released? Cause it, we're, today's Wednesday.

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  I'm gonna know tomorrow at three.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  Tomorrow at 3pm, is that when the world knows?

• 2:33:04Speaker 02

  No, I think they're gonna ask me, just give me a little bit of it. But I got a feeling they're not gonna tell me much. I got a feeling they're not gonna tell America that much.

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  When, is it supposed to be disclosed this week? Whatever they're gonna disclose?

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, but if they're gonna disclose it to us, then it'll be out right as soon as they hang up the phone with some guys.

• 2:33:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you feel an obligation, if they don't release it, to try to tell people what you know?

• 2:33:30Speaker 02

  I do, I do, I do. I think it's, um, cause I don't like it if they're lying to us. And I, again, I don't think Trump knows. I mean, these people have kept this stuff secret. Oh, here's another thing. I was in at one meeting and a guy said, I said, what about the president on this? And he said, the president's on a need to know basis. Now, that's a federal employee saying that he or she has

• 2:33:58Speaker 02

  information that the president is not allowed to see. And I, I, I just was aghast, man. I said, you know, that's the kind of crap you see on some, the sci-fi network or something. But that, that'd be the title of my book. I mean, that, that, that oughta tell you right there that, that this thing is a, is a cover up. And I don't, and I, and it's kinda like MKUltra. I don't think we're gonna get the, they're not gonna tell us everything.

• 2:34:25Speaker 02

  I really don't. I don't think they're gonna give us.

• 2:34:29Speaker 02

  Half of what we should get.

• 2:34:31Joe Rogan?

  But you think we're gonna get something?

• 2:34:33Speaker 02

  I think we're gonna get something.

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Do you know Hal Putoff? You know Hal Putoff?

• 2:34:37Speaker 02

  You what?

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you know Hal Putoff?

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  No, I don't. I thought you were saying, I thought you were gonna Hal Putoff you are right now.

• 2:34:42Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 2:34:42Speaker 02

  I was like, Hal Putoff are you?

• 2:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Hal Putoff was in the documentary as well. He was in The Age of Disclosure. And he was a guest on the podcast. And one of the things that he told me is that during the Bush administration, they brought in him and a bunch of other scientists and thought leaders. And what was explained to him was that they are considering disclosure. And that there have been visits of these super intelligent beings from somewhere else that we have retrieved crashed vehicles and that we have biological remains.

• 2:35:14Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 2:35:15Joe Rogan?

  And we are talking about disclosing. We would like you to make a list of all the ways that it'll negatively affect society and all the ways that it'll positively affect society and attach a numerical value to these things. And they all did it. And every one of them said the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the impact on government, the impact on the economy, religion, all these different factors and how it would disrupt society. And in the end, they decided not to disclose.

• 2:35:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. I've heard that many times. I just don't buy it.

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  You don't buy it?

• 2:35:50Speaker 02

  I don't buy it. I mean, I don't doubt what he's saying. I know all those guys. Now that you mention it, I was in a movie, of course, and I've met them all afterwards. But I don't, I just don't buy that. I think we should know. Let us know. Let us decide.

• 2:36:03Joe Rogan?

  No, I believe that too, but I wonder what that meeting was like and whether or not they were being truthful to these people or whether it was a thought experiment.

• 2:36:13Speaker 02

  Allegedly, when they told Jimmy Carter, he cried.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  That's what I heard too.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, it was. I won't go into all of it, but I was in a meeting.

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't make him cry?

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  I don't know. I know he's a very sensitive guy, but.

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but I mean, I cried when I saw Old Yeller.

• 2:36:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did too. Still cry. But they, um, uh, he, he had seen a UFO, you know, he was on a Navy sub, nuclear sub, and, um, I don't know if he saw that when he was on the sub or not, I can't remember. But, you know, here he is, that guy, he's President of the United States and he.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  They told him something supposedly, he cried.

• 2:36:46Speaker 02

  And I was in the meeting and I, uh, that was brought up. And the guy that they were trying to trip up gave the date of that meeting. And he said, you can go to the Carter Library and pull up that date and you'll know. There's one person, they omitted their name, which who knows who that was? But they list the, the meeting and where he was when he got that, that briefing.

• 2:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:37:14Speaker 02

  So, I don't know. I don't know.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't know either.

• 2:37:18Speaker 02

  I don't know if that's true or not, you know, they also say Nixon pulled up one night to Jackie Gleason's.

• 2:37:24Joe Rogan?

  I know that story.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know Jackie Gleason built that crazy house in upstate New York. Do you know about that?

• 2:37:31Speaker 02

  Do not.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you don't? It was for sale a while back. Um, Jackie Gleason essentially built a UFO house. He built a house that looked like a flying saucer.

• 2:37:39Speaker 02

  No kidding?

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was for sale fairly recently, within the last few years. That's the house.

• 2:37:44Speaker 02

  Oh crap.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a house Jackie Gleason built after supposedly Richard Nixon took him. So supposedly the story was they were golfing, out drinking, and Richard Nixon's like, hey, you wanna see some shit? And then he took him to see this UFO somewhere on some base, you know, the story is very big. It's hard to tell what, what actually happened, but apparently people that knew Jackie Gleason said it profoundly affected him. And Jackie Gleason became obsessed with UFOs afterwards, and then he had this house built. The shape of a UFO, which is, I mean, not evident. But weird.

• 2:38:23Speaker 02

  That's very weird.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:38:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, Nixon, Nixon was a very serious guy. That would have been a, that'd have been an interesting.

• 2:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  Scenario.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  Indeed.

• 2:38:33Speaker 02

  But I, I just wish they'd show us everything.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too. Well, we'll see. We'll see what, what comes out this week, but uh, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. It was great to talk to you.

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  I wish I could get you to move to East Tennessee.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 2:38:50Speaker 02

  Well, we saved Texas ass, man. You know, Davy Crockett, yeah, Davy Crockett.

• 2:38:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, back in the day.

• 2:38:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said, um, he was in Congress and got beat. He was a state legislator and he got, he got beat in Congress and he said, as for, let's see, his quote was, uh, it's for me, he says, for you all, you can all go to hell. As for me, I'm going to Texas.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  He goes to Alamo and gets killed, but he parlayed that into a Disney special. So he kinda evened out.

• 2:39:14Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, sort of.

• 2:39:16Speaker 02

  Sort of.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  Sort of. I'm very partial to Texas.

• 2:39:18Speaker 02

  Well, all right. We're low tech state. I know. Texas is low tech.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  I just love it here. I love a lot of things about Texas. I love the people. It's a fun place to be.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. My buddy Chip Roy, he's leaving. He's from down here. A bunch of these guys in Congress are down here that are leaving.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  And they're going to Tennessee?

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  No, they're coming down here.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're coming down here.

• 2:39:36Speaker 02

  He's running for AG down here, but no, they're just, they're all coming home. They're tired of Washington.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:42Speaker 02

  Well, Luttrell told me, I said, why are you leaving Congress, dude? And he says, I want to spend time with my family. My kids are growing up. And I was like, can't argue with that, brother.

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And the pressure of Congress, the pressure of Washington DC is just so odd. I've only been there a couple of times, but every time I'm there and I leave, I'm like, yuck.

• 2:39:59Speaker 02

  It's like when I used to, you know, I used to minister to a guy in prison. And when you'd leave Brushy Mountain State Prison, you'd, I, I called it that institutional smell. Whatever they used to clean that place, you'd just smell like it for, uh, you could smell it in your nose for days later. And that's, Washington DC, it's a, it's more of a filthy smell.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a weird place. I guess it's necessary supposedly, but it's, it's odd to. But I appreciate people like you.

• 2:40:27Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother.

• 2:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 2:40:28Speaker 02

  And I appreciate you doing the right thing, especially for our veterans and on disclosure and all the other hot button issues. And you got Hecklefish right there.

• 2:40:36Joe Rogan?

  I do. Hecklefish.

• 2:40:37Speaker 02

  He said my name on his show one time. Yeah, I love that show.

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 2:40:41Speaker 02

  He said my name one time. He said it wrong, but he's a Yankee, so I guess it's okay.

• 2:40:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  It's like Burchette or something.

• 2:40:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Thank you very much.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:40:49Joe Rogan?

  It was awesome. All right, thank you. Bye, everybody.

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