Sleeping Dog And The UFO Files - The Biggest UFO File Drop Ever Goes Public

Watch SLEEPING DOG movie here : https://geni.us/SleepingDog It took a mere 24 hours for a whopping 500 million people to find and dive into a new online repository of UFO files and videos. That number will likely double in a matter of days. The public response is even more amazing in light of a substantial pre-bunking campaign launched by the usual suspects on social media, along with legions of UAP newcomers who loudly proclaimed their profound outrage and disappointment before a single document or video was actually released. (Moaning, groaning, and digital caterwauling by UFO folk are essential and inevitable reactions to any and all new developments related to the topic.) The documents and videos released onto the DOW website do not constitute anything approaching full disclosure or total transparency. Anyone who expected to see crashed saucers or alien bodies on Day One of the UFO initiative must be either naive newcomers or devoted disruptors. The public was told in advance by Rep. Tim Burchett to lower expectations for the first release. His advice was prescient. He expects greater transparency in future releases. In an amazing but greatly appreciated coincidence, the voluminous info drop from the federal UFO files came on the same day that a new documentary film was first unveiled to the public. Director Michael Lazovsky’s emotionally powerful deep dive into UFO journalism, Sleeping Dog, debuted. The film documents the essential role of journalists in the search for truth and transparency. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp review the impact of the DOW releases, the background behind particular UAP videos, and informed speculation about what might come next. Segments of this episode were recorded live at the premiere of Sleeping Dog and include candid admissions and insights from the director. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WeaponizedClips 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop. Fourthwall.com 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com ••• SLEEPING DOG : https://SleepingDogMovie.com ••• FOLLOW JEREMY ON SOCIAL https://x.com/JeremyCorbell https://Instagram.com/JeremyCorbell https://Facebook.com/JeremyCorbell JEREMY'S WEBSITE https://ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com ••• FOLLOW GEORGE ON SOCIAL https://x.com/G_Knapp https://Instagram.com/GeorgeKnapp66 https://Facebook.com/George. Knapp.125 GEORGE'S WEBSITE https://MysteryWire.com ••• *Production by Michael Lazovsky https://MichaelLazovsky.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32George Knapp?

  What's the role of journalism? I mean, the kind of stuff that Jeremy's been doing, putting it all on the line to try to get to the truth. I wish there was more of it on other issues that involve all of us.

• 0:42Jeremy Corbell?

  This is Weaponized.

• 0:52George Knapp?

  The first 10 years that I was doing this, I'm going through the same stuff that you're going through now. Bouncing off the walls, up and down, peaks and valleys, scared shitless, worried about what comes next.

• 1:01Jeremy Corbell?

  Corbell is an investigative journalist who helped detain and release the DOD footage of UFOs.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I'm afraid he's gonna die.

• 1:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Years ago, I went searching for the truth about UFOs. And I found it. To really understand the full picture, I'm gonna start where it all began.

• 1:21Speaker 04

  They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies.

• 1:24Speaker 05

  The world I live in, the position of trust I have at the highest levels, being briefed into all the national secrets. They're not gonna come after you, not only you, they're gonna come after your fans. If I die, this story comes out.

• 1:40George Knapp?

  When things are going really bad, and there's been periods of real bad ups and downs. Is that the best you got?

• 1:52George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp, coming to you from Las Vegas. Jeremy Corbell, my friend, colleague, how you doing? Pretty good, man. You know, okay.

• 2:00Jeremy Corbell?

  Overworked, underpaid. Here we go.

• 2:02George Knapp?

  There's really nothing to talk about, though, right now, right? No news?

• 2:05Jeremy Corbell?

  Man, if we only knew what was gonna happen before it happened. We actually did find out, you and me, I think first, we found out right after the meeting occurred and, you know, found out that the government was gonna start releasing their files. I posted something on X, it'll be, you know, tomorrow, and I was fingers crossed I didn't get bad intel, but we got it from both sides of that discussion. So that was pretty amazing to happen at this time.

• 2:30George Knapp?

  I didn't realize you had that kind of juice with President Trump, that he would do this document dump, UFO files, on the same day that you premiered this new film. I mean, I think it's pretty cool that Trump and his administration do this big UFO dump on the same day that you and Michael Azovski are premiering your film.

• 2:52Jeremy Corbell?

  That is true.

• 2:54Jeremy Corbell?

  It's not, not smoking dog, sleeping dog. That was, yeah, that was coincidental.

• 3:01George Knapp?

  It's a good coincidence, though. I mean, we had a chance, and people will see our conversation at the premiere of Sleeping Dog.

• 3:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 3:10George Knapp?

  Coming up in this episode, but I think we better cover a little bit about what was in those files that were released. You know, I started seeing the caterwauling, the whining, the moaning, the clutching of pearls, people going into conniption fits. Oh, my gosh, this is terrible. It's trying to pre-bunk it, debunk it before they've even seen it. It's gonna be a nothing burger. It's nothing. It will amount to nothing. And that built as the release got closer, the volume of that. And then after it was released, it was like it was almost an organized campaign to try to diminish what was unfolding there.

• 3:48Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, that is typical, you know, kind of what we'll see in UFO land. But I think when you're looking at the greater public, you know, there is no time in history when there was a presidentially ordered release of UFO files. I mean, you tell us, but I mean, they said they weren't studying them. Nothing to see here. Move on. Now, just looking at these files, you obviously See that they have been studying them in depth and the reports were in there and that whatever this first launch of of data is, no matter how valuable people think it is, it's a symbol, I think, of of a real opportunity. If we push and we push, uh, we know the files are there. Just give us the good ones.

• 4:31George Knapp?

  You know, I I recognize a lot of the stuff that was in there, uh, the the written files, for example, the Nathan Twining memo, which was one of the first documents that I read when I started down this road, that that led me to believe there really is something to this because memos, uh, back and forth written in the Pentagon with intelligence agencies included in the mailing list. Um, when they didn't know there would eventually be a Freedom of Information Act 30 years later, they're very candid in assessing this threat, if it is a threat. I mean, these are not ours. They're not visionary or fictitious. They're very candid in sharing opinions that this is something that's important. So, I know that the folks who want to diminish the importance of this release would say, oh, that's been out forever.

• 5:15George Knapp?

  And some of these videos have been out before. Uh, I I think they're missing the boat is the process is the story. The president orders this. We didn't know if anybody'd follow through or what they might release, but it is a process. It's ordered from the top. First time this has happened, I think it's a big deal. Even if the individual files and videos are not spectacular, they don't show us any alien bodies, which, if you were expecting alien bodies on the first part of the release, I I'd say your expectations need to be tampered down a little bit. The stuff that was there, you know what, there's 330 million Americans, if 329 million of those have not seen any of this stuff before,

• 5:53George Knapp?

  because they don't spend their lives investigating UFO stuff, reading UFO books, diving into UFO FOIA files. They don't. And now there's one place where they can look at it and get up to speed on it. I I think it was a, it was a spectacular success. I hope that they continue to drop more piles of stuff as as they promised to do. And eventually, who knows how far it will go. I mean, I think you and I have talked about it before. If anything short of here's the alien bodies is gonna get more whining from UFO people, right?

• 6:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, here's my observation about it is that you get this huge dump of documents. Now, some of them, you know, they've been out before. You're talking about the twining memo. So I didn't go through all the documents. There's a lot of them. People are fixated on the videos, but the documents really speak volumes. And the fact that the average typical American who's in pop culture, reading this and whoever's going to cover it, Time Magazine or whatever, People Magazine, they're going to see that there's just a trove of a document trail to the UAP UFO thing. And I think that's what flipped you back in the day. You realized your government had been lying to you. So the hope is the general public also gets to see this.

• 7:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Now, of course, inside these documents, there's going to be highly vetted things and things that are not so vetted. So a lot of times in military, you know, you get a UAP video, but that's before a full analysis. And I noticed they put some of those in there. So let me highlight a couple of specifics for everybody that I think are important. So as an example, inside of these documents were like the Baghdad Phantom. Let's use that as an example. That is something that we reported on a long time ago. We obtained and released still images, images, and that was from, I think-

• 7:43George Knapp?

  Episode seven.

• 7:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, you know which episode? Episode seven of Weaponized. So the Baghdad Phantom. So we obtained and released images. Now, we were, you know, people said, oh, you made it up. That's not real. You know, you forged the photos and then they got over that. We gave enough information in the background about the case. Oh, my gosh, did that provoke the actual video now? Even though we had images we strung together like a video. This is our government releasing the video. So I would have to think that they were kind of forced to say, well, the public knows about this case. So let's put this out. In fact, I think they kind of found out about it. I know they found out about it through us because there's a bottleneck in CENTCOM

• 8:27Jeremy Corbell?

  where a lot of these UFO files and sightings and even when they're shot at- They get kind of bottlenecked there before they get to proper reporting. So I I know for a fact that Arrow got that only because of our reporting. So the fact it's out there now, the video in this, they call it tranche or whatever that word means. I don't know what that means. I'm in this big dump of files means the process works. Journalism works, putting the pressure on works. So that was to me like this really moment of like, oh my gosh, this, this is working. The more we push, the more we're gonna get, so don't let up, keep going. Um, but I'll give you another example.

• 9:07Jeremy Corbell?

  When we released the instantaneous acceleration, so that is Syria 2021 UAP. Now, that video was one that that nobody wanted out because that was not just a video. That was our government's official analysis and examination of that case. And you remember, we had Logan on and he was getting come at by intelligence agencies. You know, asking where did we get that because he actually had ordered that analysis. But the difference in that is that you have a full government analysis of that FLIR footage. And they determined not shadow of a doubt, like that is a they call apparent instantaneous acceleration. Everybody can see that with their own eyes.

• 9:50Jeremy Corbell?

  Now, I do gotta say, there is much better footage. So the question is, why isn't that just put out initially? Maybe it's a slow acclimation process. Maybe they're thinking they can get away with just sending out some of the okay videos. But the real great footage is that which has multi sensor data, starting with satellite imagery. And I know that's sensitive. And I know in the United States, we don't want people to know how well we can look at their assets. But that information visually would change public opinion beyond any of the videos that have already come out. My hope is that this is a true process that's that's occurring. And it's a slow acclimation and we're gonna get better, more and varied.

• 10:34Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, we can prove to the American public that the UAP thing, they're hard physical craft. And they're doing things that we certainly can't like the instantaneous motion or instantaneous acceleration video.

• 10:45George Knapp?

  Something that we released as well, an image is still image of what we called the chandelier. Now we know there's video, right?

• 10:53Jeremy Corbell?

  Right, right, right. Well, we reported there was video and then now people get it. There's another example.

• 10:59George Knapp?

  A lot of discussion about that. I mean, people trimping to debunk it, of course, it's a, you know, something, a flare on a parachute, which is pretty weak. And then even religious discussions about and similar cases that have been reported in the past, but that that got a lot of attention and people who had watched Weaponized should not have been entirely surprised that the video was out there.

• 11:21Jeremy Corbell?

  I forgot about that. Yeah, um, there. So that's an interesting one because there was not a full government examination other than within closed intel circles. And this is what Lazar always talked about. You gotta get stuff out, the data out, so that it can have the brightest and best minds on it to determine. It's still UAP. It's unidentified. They did spend some time on it. And I'm unconvinced by what I've seen online. You got people going on both sides. Point of the fact is this. We obtain and we release if we can validate that it's labeled UAP in government files. What it is, and we only had a still image, what it is? Don't know, but a lot will be like that. It it's gonna take the world engaging the data. But I I hope our government realizes that we have some great sleuths out there

• 12:05Jeremy Corbell?

  online and and that if they do put out some of the stuff that is ambiguous, that people can help with that. Um, however, again, I gotta come back to the fact of this. We have craft that they say are NHI and we have been exploiting them for technologies. It's been happening for a long time. There's been a cover up. Even bodies, not just pilots. They they, I mean, bodies, non-human, NHI bodies. That was testified to in Congress by David Grush. So that's the stuff people want. They want to see the autopsy reports of aliens and and I I do have a little bit of hope in a weird way. Let me just get you get through this. Um, if you look at what President Trump said, he led with the word aliens. If you look at his statement about transparency,

• 12:50Jeremy Corbell?

  he led with that, like information about aliens. So like, maybe, maybe we're just getting the beginning of it. And there's gonna be a lot more. What do you think, George?

• 13:00George Knapp?

  Well, I think he ended with have fun, which is not, uh, real, well, it is fun chasing this stuff sometimes, but it's serious, a little more serious than have fun. I, you know, something that jumped out at me was NASA. So it hasn't received much attention, but NASA's administrator put out a letter saying, boy, oh, boy, we're so happy to be going along with this new transparency movement. NASA has not exactly been friendly to the UFO topic over the years. Anyone who's tried to file a FOIA request with them would be able to testify to that. I recall that back when I was producing a project and needed some footage from NASA. Space missions, just regular stuff that's public. It's public produced by tax dollars. I should have no problem accessing it or using it, but they

• 13:45George Knapp?

  wouldn't, wouldn't cough it up, wouldn't give permission. I had to get Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to intervene, give them a call, and they coughed it up. But if you ever filed a FOIA request with them, you would know what I mean. But they released some stuff that's been out before, but it hasn't been out, released under presidential authority. So tens of millions, 500 million people haven't paid attention to it. Mercury 7, we've got a bogey that the voice says, I think it's Jim Lovell. And then some of the stuff from Apollo 11, speculation about what they may have seen. Apollo 17. I'm glad that stuff came out. I'm glad it gets a new viewing by the public. And although some of that has been out there, it's not been debunked. It's tried to be explained because

• 14:27George Knapp?

  NASA does a pretty good job of pouring cold water on any suggestion that there's life out there. I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson, um, jump in. I still haven't seen any evidence of extraterrestrials, which is not necessarily the point of the release. I don't know what the evidence for extraterrestrials would be, other than maybe the bodies. And even if we saw them, it wouldn't show us necessarily where they came from. But if, you know, the people who use that, I want to see aliens, I want to see ETs, and anything short of ET evidence, it means this is a failure of some sort. And it's a, it's a false dichotomy. It's creating a false expectations and parameters. There's a lot of evidence that was released.

• 15:09George Knapp?

  There that can be digested by people all over the world for the next several weeks, months, years. And I can't wait to see what comes in the next dump. Now, Tim, our friend, Representative Tim Burchett, had tried to temper expectations. He said, wow, I've seen some pretty spectacular stuff in in secure briefings. And he hints that he tried to make people realize that this first batch would not necessarily blow up the world. But he promises that there's good stuff that's still going to be coming. Do we know if the kinds of things that we have seen are on that list? For example, Congress has this list of forty six videos. I think maybe, you know, we we're somewhat familiar with that list.

• 15:53George Knapp?

  But there's another little list there that seems unlikely that they will get it without some kind of an order from the White House that declassifies that stuff. What do you think?

• 16:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting to me in those initial calls the day before, right before I did the X post. The idea was like, maybe they'd release like a video and I was kind of pushing back on that. You know, saying, look, you might be surprised and a little bit behind the eight ball. If you you don't kind of do better, I I think they were they were planning to do a good number of videos. I mean, that that takes a little bit of time to get all those together. Okay, the the forty six videos in particular.

• 16:36Jeremy Corbell?

  I hope they're going to release them all. We heard from Rep. Luna. She said, oh, we're getting those out. We're releasing them. Even Representative Eric Burleson said he's going to use his congressional powers to be able to do that in real time while on the floor. So that makes me think they have them, right? Now, those forty six videos are from sensitive servers. However, as I said before, some of the greatest footage is going to be stuff that is they call ISR. It's basically like like satellite. Satellite is going to be the best stuff. It would take a higher order of declassification, and I'm sure that takes a little bit of time.

• 17:17Jeremy Corbell?

  But look, the Baghdad Phantom, I was reading, there's an actual report, which I never got to see. There's an actual report, and it's a mission report. If you really sleuth through it, and I found it and posted about it, you get to read all the details about it. You also read in that document, that would have been declassified in 2047.

• 17:41Jeremy Corbell?

  So here we are today, what year is it, 2026? So we got a little bit of a head start, so that, you know, it can be done. Things are over classified. So I don't know, George, I don't know what they're gonna put out in the next release. But I do know that journalism is gonna keep doing its thing with you and me. And that they should, you know, be aware that it's time to go, it's time to go.

• 18:03George Knapp?

  I've seen debunkers, typical debunkers, names that pop up all the time on this topic. And then a new batch of them that have never appeared before, who have explained that all of these videos have been seen before. And all of them have been debunked. Now, we both know that in UFO world, a video becomes debunked because someone says it's debunked. And then everybody gets to repeat that it's debunked. I'm not sure that it's fair to say that all of these have been made public before, and that they've all been debunked. These came through Arrow, Arrow's stamp is on some of this stuff. I don't know how much of a role they had in it, but it looked like to me, from reading some of the language around the videos, that they had considered them unresolved.

• 18:49Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and I don't know if they, I don't, I hope they didn't put everything through Arrow to figure out if they can or should put it out. Because that's a major problem, because we know Arrow is a counterintelligence operation that is hiding from the American public. You know, the big deal, the big truth. Again, if we're to believe any of the whistleblowers that came up, especially David Grush, then, you know, this is just fodder. The whole point of our exploitation programs, our reverse engineering programs, and the bodies, you know, that's where, you know, hopefully one day this will be going. But it's okay if it's slow, as long as we got movement going forward. I think that's the key, right?

• 19:28George Knapp?

  Well, like we said, the the drop happened Friday, which is the same day that this excellent new movie, Sleeping Dog, was premiered in Southern California.

• 19:40Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 19:40George Knapp?

  And so, you know, we're on stage, you get to talk to the the audience that was there, an invited audience about the film, but also the the news of the day. So we recorded some of that. And I think we're gonna show it now, right?

• 19:55Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and I do think it's important to know, because it's already out, New York posted an article about it, people reviewed and and seen the film, that you and I do have part of our process as journalists in that film. This film is is about journalism. I think Michael Lasowski kind of makes that very clear. However, there is some UFO information in there, obviously. And a part of that is you get to see glimpses of eight videos that the world has never seen. And we we allowed that in the film, just so that people could see the process that you and I kind of go through. It can be extreme at times, and and

• 20:34Jeremy Corbell?

  the resistance that we've been up against. But I I will say that though, many of those are out of those 46 videos. So I would like our government to release the complete, right from the file, each of those videos. Because, you know, journalism, when we do this, it's it's we're doing it as a accountability, because it is a public interest. But here's an opportunity. Don't you think this is an opportunity? I guess everybody's gonna watch in the Pentagon, the Sleeping Dog anyway, so.

• 21:07George Knapp?

  Well, yeah, I would hope so. And you know, if they were debating about which of those 46 they're gonna release and which they might hold back, I would think now that they know that someone out there in the wild has at least eight of them. Probably more. It might give them a little nudge to go ahead and let the public see.

• 21:25Jeremy Corbell?

  Have nothing, have nothing, no possession. Access from time to time goes in front of our eyes. We've been exposed.

• 21:30George Knapp?

  Are familiar with them, yeah.

• 21:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Familiar.

• 21:32George Knapp?

  Yeah.

• 21:33Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, no, but that is actually true. So, so here's the deal. Um, yeah, we did this Q and A. Uh, let's check that out. Michael made a, a great movie, even though for me, it was a little painful at times. Really showed kinda your and my, uh, choice together to, to make this decision with our journalism, which we did a while ago, but you get to see it in real time. Let's check out the Q and A with director Michael Lizowski. Okay, check it out. So what I want to do right now, thank you for coming to Ojai. I want you to meet Michael Lizowski. Michael made this film. I didn't want him to. I was angry about it. He fought me for years and he is one of the most talented, trustworthy, handsome individual I've ever met. Um, but really, he, he decided to do this and, and

• 22:17Jeremy Corbell?

  he got my mom. Mom, raise your hand where you at. Let's see you over there. Um, Michael, Michael did the impossible, which is get me and George to trust him with this shit. And I don't know what's gonna happen because of, based on what happened today. So I'm gonna give it over now to Grant, cause he's a professional journalist, unlike me. So he's gonna, gonna talk to you a little bit about George and what's been going on with Michael and, yeah, go ahead.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Well, thank you guys for being here. Thank you Jeremy. Thank you Michael. Thank you, thank you George for being here too, who, uh, Rep Burlison recently called, uh, one of the last great journalists in America, which is a huge honor. We're running pretty low right now. But I wanna ask, you know, as, as much as this film is about the UAP phenomenon and UFOs, at, at the real core of it, it's about the role of journalism in America today. And it's about, you know, each of you have played a different role in this process. You know, Michael, you've now made a documentary documenting reality. You know, Jeremy, you've done the podcast, you've done your films. And George, you've been involved in investigative

• 23:22Speaker 04

  journalism, you know, throughout the years. I wanna ask, what is the role of journalism now in America and where is the line that you guys face?

• 23:33George Knapp?

  I can't imagine a time when it's been more important and I can't imagine a time in my life when I've seen it do less. It's a tumultuous world and it just seems like journalism has rolled over and played dead. And major news organizations have been gobbled up by billionaires and they're not doing shit to cover really important issues or they're both sides of them or giving deference to the corporate overlords who now control so many of the major journalism platforms. I would never believe I would see it in my lifetime, the kind of things that have happened to journalism now. So if it comes down to independent journalists, like what Jeremy and Michael and Grant have done, so be it. You know, you've got to carry on.

• 24:17George Knapp?

  There's all kinds of really big, important stories that affect all of our lives every day. UFOs is not that kind of a story. It's the biggest story of all, but it's not a front burner issue for anyone. There's always something more pressing. Paying your rent, having a job, raising your kids, you know, everyday life stuff, the price of gas, the price of food, all those things take precedent. This will be the biggest story. It is the biggest story, but it's not the most pressing story. But there are pressing stories and I'm ashamed of journalism, what's happening to colleagues of mine and news organizations that I've always been proud to even associate with. So what's the role of journalism? I mean, the kind of stuff that Jeremy's been doing, putting it all on the line to try to get to the truth on matters.

• 25:01George Knapp?

  And I wish there was more of it on other issues that involve all of us.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  You know, I want to ask you, Michael, how did this go from becoming a biopic about Jeremy's life to documenting the reality as it's unfolding so many changing events? Was there a pivotal moment where you realized, I can't just tell his story, I have to tell the ongoing story? Yeah. First, thank you everybody for coming. I want to thank Steven, he shot the

• 25:30Speaker 05

  He's a DP and Joe King is the editor and UP and as well Rebecca, my wife, she helped produce it. And Jim Martin is somewhere here. He's been amazing. Yeah, so I think, you know, I was a producer on Weaponized and I realized at a certain point that when the cameras were turned off, the really interesting conversation started. And, you know, so I asked Jeremy and I knew that Jeremy had a bunch of like films that he had never released and a lot of footage and archive that goes back years. So I kind of asked him for it and he gave it to me over time. We built trust and I went through a lot of it and it was hundreds of hours of John

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Lear like doing nothing and Edgar Mitchell and it was really hard to form a story. But, you know, then I started seeing what was going on in the real world and, you know, that's where the story was. It was really what was happening with Jeremy and George and what he was going through.

• 26:28George Knapp?

  John Lear eats a lot, doesn't he?

• 26:31Speaker 05

  Oh, he does, yeah. There's a lot of eating that was included in the movie.

• 26:35George Knapp?

  Years of eating.

• 26:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:38Jeremy Corbell?

  I want to ask you, is there anything you had to cut from, you know, so many decades of footage that you're going through, you didn't make it into the film that you're like,

• 26:46Speaker 00

  damn, I wish I got it in there?

• 26:47Speaker 05

  There's so much and I was telling Jeremy, like, there's so much of John Lear, Edgar Mitchell, all these people.

• 26:53Speaker 00

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• 27:49Speaker 05

  Fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details. But I really wanted it to focus on the North Star, which was Jeremy and his experience. So I wanted to stay as true to that as possible.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  But yeah, there's a ton of stuff that did not make the movie. And so now that we're talking about John Lear, some of the great footage in that movie. All three of you have now had different interactions with John Lear at different points and in different ways. And so I'd love to get each of your thoughts. You know, you going through the movie and seeing the footage, you, you know, getting the start through him and all your experiences, George, of meeting him and where it's gone from there.

• 28:27George Knapp?

  John Lear is my entry point to the topic. He walked into the news station one day with a stack of documents and he had helped my mentor, Ned Day, and Bob Stodall, our news director, break a big story. The existence of a plane that was invisible to radar that was out being tested and developed in the Nevada desert. And so he had credibility with us. The famous Lear name, of course, got him in the door. And he dropped a stack of these documents on the desk of Ned Day. He says, Ned, this is the biggest story in history. It's your next big exclusive. You gotta take a look at this stuff. Slides the documents across Ned's desk. He starts reading a couple of them. Reads for maybe four or five minutes. It's UFO documents, some of which were legit

• 29:10George Knapp?

  from FOIA requests and some of which were of questionable origin. Then slides it back a couple of minutes later. This can't be true. If this is true, I'd already know about it. Typical kind of a journalistic attitude. But and I'm eavesdropping. John dejectedly starts walking out of the newsroom. And I said, hey, let me take a look at that stuff. And at the time, you saw those clips of when I had dark hair. I produced this and hosted this show called On The Record. Thirty-minute talk show airs at seven o'clock in the morning on a Saturday or Sunday. Typical guest is a... County Commissioner, City Councilman, nobody watched it. I put Lear on, so what the heck, let's see what happens here. Oh my God, this stuff starts pouring out of his mouth.

• 29:55George Knapp?

  And as I got to know him better, you know, the stories became more outrageous. Ninety-three races of aliens living on the sun, for example. That was a tough one to swallow. And I knew, alright, he's a really interesting guy. And like Jeremy, I learned that some of the things that he said could be checked out and were true. And some of them were just so outrageous, so you had to sort of take him by the grain of salt. But John was my entry point. I start reading, and every book I could find. I had never paid attention to the story before. And then it was the trail of government documents, really. I figured if this is true, and there really is a paper trail of government documents, and they confide to each other behind the scenes in memos and reports that it's real,

• 30:38George Knapp?

  and it's advanced, and it's not us, then it's worth digging into. That led to Bob Lazar, and eventually that led to Jeremy Corbell.

• 30:49George Knapp?

  Michael, how did you balance these kind of dual sides of John Lear? He knows so much, he goes way out every once in a while, too. How did you kind of figure out how to build a narrative around him that's, you know, both trustworthy and fun, but also out there entirely? Yeah, so I never met John Lear, but I got to know him through the footage Jeremy mostly had recorded, and the camera doesn't lie, captures things that you wouldn't normally probably see. So through that process, again, hours and hundreds of hours of footage of John Lear, you know, I felt like I got to know him, but at a point in his life. It wasn't the whole history. It was kind of like when Jeremy was, in 2013, I think, or 2011, started filming with John Lear.

• 31:33George Knapp?

  And I found actually a lot of parallels with actually Jeremy's experience. He cold-called John Lear, I reached out to Jeremy in a cold email. He never made me, you know, fix the sink or anything, Jeremy didn't. But, you know, I was sort of like understanding actually Jeremy and John, and the relationship through all of that footage. Right on. You know, George, I want to ask you too. What were some of your first impressions of meeting Jeremy? What were some of the first things that went through your head? And how has it changed over time now that, you know, the life you guys have lived together? Well, a couple of things. One, I learned that he was persistent because I would get these messages that he had called. "This guy called again, huh?" And, um, I'm pretty, for a reporter,

• 32:16George Knapp?

  I'm pretty hard to get a hold of. I don't answer my phone, and I don't answer my door anymore. A lot of it has to do with the kinds of challenges that Jeremy talks about in this film. Is that UFO people are pretty crazy, you know, and sometimes dangerous. And there are death threats. It kinda comes with the turf, not just with this topic, but other topics. And, um, so, I try to be careful. I have layers of insulation at the TV station who run interference for me. But Jeremy kept calling. Alright, goddammit, this guy won't quit, alright. Tell him I'll call him back. And then, he spits out, I forget it. It must have spit out like five minutes of material in about forty seconds. Uh, you can make

• 32:57George Knapp?

  the pitch, Jeremy, if you, when they hand you the microphone. But, talking really fast, I could see, okay. I took a breath, and then I gave him a download. And, um, I guess it was pretty good, because he was pretty hooked on it at that point. Then he came to my house, and, uh, I was pretty sure he was ONI, Office of Enable Intelligence, or something, or maybe CIA. I know he's not CIA. I'm not convinced about the ONI part of it now, still. Um, but yeah, he was obviously very enthusiastic. He put a lot of time in working with John Lear. And, look, I've spent a lot of time with John Lear. And by the time Jeremy got to see him, I was living within a half a mile of Lear. So, over the years, I, I love

• 33:37George Knapp?

  John Lear, I miss him. But I'd also had my fill, so I was happy to see somebody else taking a shot down that road. And, uh, yeah, then we got to know each other, um, uh, and socialized a bit. And I went out to the desert and shot some guns and blew things up, and drank beers, and got to know his wife, Katrina, who really does exist, we've learned.

• 34:05George Knapp?

  And so, you know, it went from there. And I just know he works really hard. I don't think anybody hasn't, can imagine how hard he works and how many hours it takes. I know, you know, anybody who's in this field and in this topic, you get pretty much creamed every day on social media platforms by brave people on X, formerly Twitter. And it comes with the territory. So you have to kind of develop a thick skin, which he did over time. And you kind of have to ignore some of what goes on in the public arena. But we developed a relationship of working really well together. He was courageous. He's willing to take risks. He's worked hard to develop sources, which is the most important thing a journalist can do. Work hard to develop sources who learn to trust you.

• 34:49George Knapp?

  And of course, the secret to being trustworthy is to actually be trustworthy and active.

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• 35:23George Knapp?

  In a trustworthy way and honor the promises you make to sources. And that kind of thing gets around. That word gets around. And it's a great testament to the kinds of materials and special access that we've developed over the years that Jeremy has worked so hard to achieve.

• 35:42George Knapp?

  And Michael, I want to ask you, how different was it putting a film together versus putting a podcast together? I'm sure they give you so much material, you know, these different conversations, but what is the difference between those two processes? Yeah, I think with a film, you're looking for a story, whereas a podcast, it's more of a conversation.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  So I think that's the difference really when structuring it. But I found this to be a very like real, raw, like I was capturing something that was really scary as well. So I've never really felt that way doing Weaponized as I did, like just following Jeremy around for days and seeing what he actually goes through.

• 36:23George Knapp?

  And so I guess let's address the elephant in the room. Either somebody has the best PR agent of all time, or it's incredible synchronicity. But as most of you I'm sure know, we just got an insane amount of, you know, files released, about almost 200 pages worth. There's been, I think, something about 25 videos that have come out today. I'm wondering if you guys have gone through these files at all? Have you seen anything? Is there anything that stands out to you? And is this an important moment for the disclosure narrative altogether? No, no, George, man.

• 36:58George Knapp?

  Well, I haven't seen it all. I've seen a lot of it, read it this afternoon and watched the videos. And I think it's, there's no smoking gun in there. But it's this really significant time and a really significant start of a process, I think. I didn't know that President Trump was such a fan of Jeremy that he could schedule this release on the same day the film premieres. But we want to thank him for that. Put him in the credits, Michael. It is a nice little touch for a premiere of a movie to have all this stuff come out on the same day. There isn't a smoking gun, but it's interesting. There's interesting stuff. And some of it might be familiar to those of you who watch Weaponized, because there's some of that footage that we released.

• 37:41George Knapp?

  And they gave us a little bit of a hard time about it and made fun of it. There was one we called The Chandelier that came out in January of 2024. And even the pro-UFO people gave us crap about it. And there it is in the video that's released. We told them it was a video. Maybe they can come up with some kind of an explanation for it, but our government, our military and intelligence people who've had this stuff, thought it was a real UAP. That's what they labeled it as. So, it was kind of cool to see that. There's another video that we made public earlier this year, this Syrian video that shows what seems to be instantaneous acceleration. If you're reading the list of the videos that were dug up out of the ground there, you might have noticed that one. We made that public a little bit

• 38:24George Knapp?

  ago, and it is one of the videos that members of Congress are asking for. They came up with a list of 26 particular videos. Somebody must have told them where these things are hidden, on which servers. I don't know who that could be. But they got very specific information. They know where it is, and they've alerted the Department of War that nothing had better happen to those videos before Congress gets to see them. So, there's a lot of really interesting things going on. The fact that President Trump directed this, whatever his level of interest is in the topic, I'm not really sure. The fact that he directed these agencies to get on it and release this stuff is really a positive thing. And I don't know if we will ever see this smoking gun from them, but just the

• 39:07George Knapp?

  fact that it comes with sort of the good housekeeping seal of approval from the government, this is real stuff from our files, is a major step. It's a really big deal. And I hope that process continues. I suspect it will, because if it doesn't, I think there are people in Congress that'd give them a really bad time. But it's an exciting thing. I never thought I would see in my life to have the government talking about this and a president order the release of files. There's a lot of really great stuff that has not been released, and we know for sure that it's great stuff. And if it doesn't come out one way, it'll come out the other.

• 39:48George Knapp?

  And I think the last time, you know, Jeremy and George were at the Ojai Playhouse, the big story was the New Jersey drones, which we didn't get a lot of information on. Now it seems like the top story in the media is the missing scientists, you know, people who've worked on different projects. There's a clip in the documentary that talks about a potential whistleblower coming forward, where, you know, they were killed or died or, you know, circumstances came up. I'm wondering, you know, with all this attention on to these missing scientists, is there something to that story? Are there people we should be paying attention to over others? What are your thoughts on it?

• 40:23George Knapp?

  I've kind of dodged that story. I thought General McCasland disappearing is pretty interesting. And then folks go looking for other similar cases and they start finding them. I'm not sure all those are really related. I think that journalists are taking initiative and including the deaths of scientists. I mean, there's a lot of scientists. People do die. And they do kill themselves. And I just, I haven't been down that road to where I could say this one seems legit and this one doesn't. But I think that story is a little bit exaggerated in terms of the number of different people who've been roped into it. Now, the fact that people in media, in our profession, are talking about the deaths

• 41:05George Knapp?

  of scientists and that might have something to do with working on these kinds of programs is very useful for folks who want whistleblowers to shut up. Some of the people that we have worked with, whistleblowers, people that we brought to Congress, for example, people we've had in SCIFs and talking to Congress and other key individuals, are legitimately scared. And they have a reason to be. I mean, they've been getting threats. And the threats can come in a lot of different forms. You lose your job, you know, you lose your clearance, you can no longer work in a job that you've done your whole life. It puts a lot of pressure on people and you can hear it in their voice when you talk to them. We were in DC one time to meet with a whistleblower who's in that film. And you know, you don't

• 41:49George Knapp?

  want to be paranoid and think you're followed around all the time, even though we all have been followed and our phones have been tapped. And, you know, it sounds crazy, but it's true. We meet this guy, we go across out of DC into Virginia, and we meet in a park. And it's early in the morning and there's this one other vehicle that's there, this big Jeep, big black Jeep, blacked out windows. And we're just thinking, this doesn't feel comfortable. So we drive away, we just drive, we don't know where we're going. We find this little pizza joint on the side street, miles away. And goddamn, we come out an hour and a half later, there's that black Jeep sitting right behind us. Same damn car. It was, it was making it pretty obvious that they were following us and they didn't mind us knowing.

• 42:35George Knapp?

  You know, so I can see how people who are whistleblowers, who are taking what they think is the right step, making a move they think is good for the country, good for the world, taking a risk to tell truth, and then their world comes crashing in. That's happened a lot. I don't know that anyone has been murdered. I suspect some people have been murdered because of what they know and the risk that they might spill those beans. It's hard to prove that stuff. The people who have been keeping this secret for eighty years are really good at their job. And I would dare say they are, some of them are even better at their job than we are at ours. It's hard to keep this stuff secret for this long. There are leaks. There are videos that come out. There are, you know, all kinds of information has come out.

• 43:19George Knapp?

  And again, it's never the front burner issue for people like those of you here in this audience. There's always something more pressing in your own life. So you might read the story, you might pay attention to something on a newscast for five minutes, and then you go on with other things. For these whistleblowers, it's every day, all the time, worried about what's gonna happen when they open the front door.

• 43:43George Knapp?

  Alright, I'm gonna ask you one last question, real quick, Jeremy. People are gonna pause this film as they're going through it, and I think there's one slide that really stands out in there that people are gonna have a lot of questions on. I wrote it down. It's, "Local residents should be checked if they're being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens." I'm wondering if you wanna expand on that document at all, or potentially what that means, or share anything related to it?

• 44:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Uh, no, I don't. Uh, you know, the idea is that, you know, it's kinda like a fishing expedition, but I do wanna take a second to say, I wouldn't be doing this without George Knapp. Like, you guys have seen it, kind of our relationship going forward. Like, man, I wouldn't be doing this without George, and I really appreciate the fact he's pointed it to me and Grant, all this stuff. But George has done this from the very beginning. And additionally, Michael, like, against all my will, you know, created this movie. And, and, Michael, you did an amazing movie. Like, I hate it, and it chose my family.

• 44:51Jeremy Corbell?

  But you did an amazing job, and I have to say, you know, to you, hats off, man. Really great movie, and we'll talk about it more in the future. Um, Grant, I'm trying to avoid your question.

• 45:06Jeremy Corbell?

  So, Saucer is here, they made these really cool signed posters and you gotta check it out because they put some incredible art together. Tommy with the shirts for his sleeping dog. I guess still gotta answer your question.

• 45:16George Knapp?

  You know, we can also say about Michael, Jeremy, that he has learned the journalist code too, because he gets to hear a lot of stuff that we shouldn't be telling anybody and he keeps it to himself.

• 45:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, let's call this up Michael for a second. This is Michael's premiere, it's Michael's movie. Um, Michael, first of all, question. He made an incredible movie against all odds, I mean it was not like, I told him, what was the one rule, I'm an investigative journalist, what was the one rule I gave you?

• 45:45George Knapp?

  Be honest.

• 45:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, be honest, right? Don't fucking bullshit anybody, be honest. So, um, Michael, was it difficult working with me and George?

• 45:55George Knapp?

  No, I mean, I think, I think, you know, I tried to push as much as I could to get as much possible in this movie. I think it pushed you as far as possible.

• 46:07Jeremy Corbell?

  And there were things that was like, it was difficult because you guys are seeing eight videos that have not been released by the government yet. So they did a huge, we should talk about that, they did a huge dump today on some videos. I got a call from the White House, a comms person for the White House, and then also from the representative investigators from Congress, and they were telling me what's coming out. I'm like, it's not good enough. George and I and Michael put something in the movie, we're showing eight clips, eight videos from like, the forty-six videos you're supposed to, you know, put out. So, I heard that Congressman Burleson is gonna use some authorities, he's got balls the size of church bells, he's gonna, he's gonna do something to get that stuff out, but Michael

• 46:50Jeremy Corbell?

  put it in his movie anyway, and here we are. It was weird, man, you did a good job fighting against me.

• 46:56George Knapp?

  I found one part of it deeply disturbing though, that Jeremy, you're so security conscious, you had a camera inside your mom's refrigerator.

• 47:08Jeremy Corbell?

  Put a camera in my mom's picture. My face right here. That was a good, that was a good beer that day. I was very stressed. Michael documented the worst time of my life. It's like a horror movie and a comedy all at once. Good job, Michael. Great movie.

• 47:20George Knapp?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 47:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, look, look, man, um, bottom line is, today was a historic day. So in all years, George of Journalism, right? It's like today was a day when they started showing, they put out a, a, a video of, of a still that we put out to provoke them. We put out a still called "The Chandelier UAP", and we never thought it would come out. We also put out a still of the Mosul Orb, and it took an act of, um...

• 47:46George Knapp?

  Foyah.

• 47:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Foyah from Dustin Slaughter to get out that video. But they straight put it out today. Are you hopeful that this footage that you and I have been exposed to is going to come out weeks to come?

• 47:56George Knapp?

  Well, I think as, as some of the spokes and people in D.C. see this movie, they'll realize, "Hey, I recognize that little clip, and, and, uh, let's be magnana- magnanimous about it and put it out ourselves, because it's pretty clear that others have access to it now, and, uh, and maybe some more." I, I was a little, well, I'm gonna say this in front of the camera, but I think maybe too much was given out in this, um, uh, and it might cause us problems that we're gonna have to talk about.

• 48:25Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, the movie?

• 48:26George Knapp?

  Yeah.

• 48:26Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, you gotta kill Michael.

• 48:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think, I think, you know, Jeremy's has been saying something lately.

• 48:33Jeremy Corbell?

  It's on you, yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  Sorry?

• 48:35Jeremy Corbell?

  That's on you. He's gonna kill you.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm in trouble. Um, no, Jeremy's been saying something that, you know, things are provoked, not planned. So I think this movie's gonna provoke a lot of things. Um, if you guys watch it again, watch closely, there's a lot in this movie. I think a lot more, you know, we didn't want this to be like one image or one thing. There's a lot throughout the entire film that I think will provoke a lot of things.

• 48:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  Um, so yeah, thank you, everybody, for coming out.

• 49:02George Knapp?

  Uh, tonight's the first time I've seen it. I mean, I haven't seen it before, so I thought it was terrific. Hey, it's a big day for, for those who are interested in this topic. Do we have time for any questions here?

• 49:11Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, let's do one or two. If they're not crazy, don't give me something crazy.

• 49:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Who's got a burning question? Come on, man. Gino, what's up? You fucker.

• 49:24Jeremy Corbell?

  First of all, by the way, Senior Chief Wiggins is here. He testified in front of Congress. He raised his hand as an active Navy guy at the last UFO hearing, the day before Charlie Kirk got shot. Senior Chief Wiggins is here, and I'm grateful for you being here, Senior Chief, right?

• 49:40George Knapp?

  Yeah. By the way, he's also a good example of what happens to people who step forward. We're not telling that part of the story yet, but, I mean, he has consequences he's dealing with as a result of being testified before Congress under oath.

• 49:56Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and Matt Brown and Dylan Borland, you guys, you're gonna hear a lot more from them soon, so just know those guys are telling it like it is, and they're taking a big risk to come forward, and you're gonna hear a lot more from them within the next thirty days.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  Can you hear me?

• 50:16Jeremy Corbell?

  Yep. Yes.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Hey, I've got a tough question for you guys, but if anybody can take a crack at it, it's you all.

• 50:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Michael, it's you.

• 50:23Speaker 05

  About Dr. Lakowski's work suggesting consciousness is unified and trying to awaken itself through us. Jeremy, what does he say is the single most important shift each person needs to make right now, not intellectually, but practically, to participate in the awakening before the whole system collapses, especially in light of just what's happening today?

• 50:47Jeremy Corbell?

  So, he's George's friend for a long time. I think George would be best to explain what Dr. Lakowski might think about that.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  Thanks, George.

• 50:57George Knapp?

  He's not real great with the how-to, listing the steps and direct advice for the planet and the human population to move on to the next step. He just is great at telling us we're gonna have to get around to doing it. I suspect that we're gonna be having conversations with him where we're gonna drill down into some of that real soon. And, you know, he's a brilliant guy, and he's been deep in the inside. He's seen one of the craft that we've got stashed away somewhere, but trying to get him to go further than the line in the sand that has been drawn for him is pretty hard, as Jeremy has demonstrated on Weaponized both times we've had him on there.

• 51:43George Knapp?

  You know, I wish I knew how to answer that. You know, the last time I talked, we talked to him. He said something really interesting. That interview that we saw, that was shot downstairs in my house five or six years ago, when he was just thinking about coming out and being on camera. And he's now shared with us this idea is that the paranormal stuff that we all thought was sort of a side effect of seeing UFOs around, even at Skinwalker Ranch and places like that, you know, weird creatures and things like that. They speculated for a long time, maybe this is a result of the propulsion system or radiation or something that we see wolfmen and and things like that.

• 52:25George Knapp?

  But now he thinks the UFOs are a subset of the paranormal. And I think paranormal is a one word for it, the other one is consciousness. It's a kind of a buzzword in UFO world. People who don't know what they're talking about will say it's all about consciousness and have no idea about what that means. But that all of this stuff, all this weirdness comes from something much bigger than than all of us. Maybe it goes back to Bob Lazar and Containers of Souls or something like that, along those lines. But, you know, I hope that Jim Lekowski will be able to be more specific and answer your question because I just did an really piss poor job of it.

• 53:03Jeremy Corbell?

  George is gonna have Doffy Lekowski back on very soon to talk about it. Despite how I grilled-

• 53:09George Knapp?

  I'll ask him that.

• 53:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, despite how I grilled him last time on Weaponized, he's going on with George on coast to coast. So that's good. It seems like you guys are changing culture more than anyone else on the planet right now. All the hard work you're all doing, everyone here. We've watched this unfold. I mean, it's mind boggling, this hail that was occurring. Is that Wonka? Where's Wonka? I know you're here, Russ. Who asked the question that big? Kudos to an excellent production. Thank you so much for your ongoing work, specifically- Can you hear me? Yes. Specifically, George, you'll be remembered, sir, when this gets further down the road. As will you all. Specifically, can-

• 53:53Speaker 04

  You address the funding mechanisms for this film and whether or not Peter Thiel or anybody else can serve on Valley.

• 54:01Jeremy Corbell?

  You're fucking hilarious bitch. Come on. They called a, no, it was a, it was a sweat, they called it sweat equity production, I think is the proper term, but it was not funded. I wish we were, we only had one camera. Yeah, so if we had three or more, I mean, that would have been great, would have made things a lot easier. No, it's a fair question. Like, you know, a lot of people run by these billionaires running out about the UFO thing. Michael, I gave him 20 years of footage and Michael made a movie, then turned the cameras around. It was literally like 20 years of my life. You want to give me a receipt back for my flights, man? Like, it was, it was self-funded. Sweat equity. Sweat equity.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  The extent that Thiel seems to have taken over and I sent George and Jeremy an article that I wrote today specifically addressing the role of Palantir and others in the cover-up and the ongoing problem.

• 54:50Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, look for it. I don't disagree with you.

• 54:53George Knapp?

  There's a lot of his money in the UFO world. Yeah, for sure. None of it is here.

• 54:58Jeremy Corbell?

  It's not here. Well, we're trying to get sponsors for Weaponized. We don't, like, we, this is, it's not a very, it's not a profitable. It is not a profitable, you know, I see a lot, this a lot on Twitter and I unfortunately read the comments. I know Jeremy doesn't. But yeah, people say, oh, we're monetizing interviews and stuff. I mean, if you see how much each video actually makes, it is nothing. It is nothing, guys. Like, it is not worth, like, we fly people out, you know, I film everything. Jeremy, George flies out. He spends days of his time, right? Hours to investigate. So, yeah, it is not a profitable scheme or anything. Which sucks. I mean, we should be better at business. We're horrible grifters. But, yeah, I mean, the reality is we're independent. You know, George is pointing the finger at us for being independent journalists, but George is, he is the nexus of that.

• 55:42Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, we, we do this all together because we think it's important and, and we do our best, you know.

• 55:52George Knapp?

  I mean, we are really bad grifters. We put out Weaponized for free. Uh, the news stories that I write are go out for free. The Coast to Coast airs for free. We, we really need to get on this.

• 56:05Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, buying shirt from Tommy tonight, you guys. And saucer, you know.

• 56:10George Knapp?

  All right, you got, you got time for one more?

• 56:12Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, were you Grant, were you just dissing?

• 56:14George Knapp?

  I'm ro- I'm roving around.

• 56:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, okay.

• 56:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, I don't know much about your background, Michael. The, the film was amazing and I've seen-

• 56:22Speaker 05

  You all go through the turmoil, the air turmoil that you've gone through over the years. But Michael, when you got involved in this film, like, what was your background and your interest in UFOs? And UAPs and did you get, like, what was your experience? Did you start to get freaked out, paranoid, spooked? Because I would have and I guess I just was curious as to like your experience through the filmmaking and understanding that they've been followed, like, did you feel, like, how are you doing?

• 56:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, no, I, I, so I was a bit of an outsider. As an example, I knew who Jeremy and George were to an extent. I've seen Jeremy's documentaries, but I didn't know who John Lear was before I joined Weaponized. So I was pretty ignorant when it comes to the UFO topic. I was, and, but I had a belief that something was greater, but I was also a skeptic. I mean, I have, you know, a skeptical side of me that is constantly, you know, hammering me. Oh, maybe this is, this isn't real and, you know, so anyways, funny story is when I was driving up to Weaponized for the first time, I remember having a thought in my head, oh, what if, like, they shut off the cameras and like started laughing at each other? Like, I didn't know what to expect, right? Um, but then I realized, you know, wow, this was like very real and it did get really scary. And I was mostly concerned for Jeremy.

• 57:36Jeremy Corbell?

  Um, you know, there was a point where we had to, we recorded a video in a hotel room, like, kind of, and Jeremy had to tell me what would happen in case, to the movie, in case of the event of his passing. And so my background, I went to the American Film Institute. Um, I was a directing fellow there and, um, I was let out during the writer's strike. So we had a class over there, we would have to cold call three people that we looked up to. And I thought, you know, that gave me a lot of confidence and we'd have to report back to our professor. That gave me confidence, I called, or I emailed, cold emailed Jeremy because he specifically says, don't call or whatever, email me and send a voice note. So that's how I got into, in touch with Jeremy. Um, but I did have the skill of editing and then I became the producer on Weaponized.

• 58:19George Knapp?

  It's great for us to be able to trust, Michael. It, you know, builds up over time. You share sensitive information with each other in open conversation and, and he's never burned us. So he, he certainly earned that trust. Some of the things I was worried that, like I said, this is the first time I've seen the film. Some of the things that we're leading up to, I was worried what might be next in the video. Because Jeremy and I end up going to extreme lengths sometimes to try to find a private place to have a conversation and, and to share materials so that there are no prying eyes or ears. There's a scene that wasn't in this, I don't, I don't think he shot it, I don't think we'd allow him to shoot it, but when I, I got to see some particularly sensitive materials, uh, for the first time,

• 59:02George Knapp?

  and I had to sit under a sheet in a, in this hotel room.

• 59:05Jeremy Corbell?

  It was out filmed.

• 59:06George Knapp?

  Oh god, thank you, thanks, that's not, not in the archives, we count.

• 59:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, like a ghost.

• 59:13George Knapp?

  Well, you have to assume that your phones are tapped, and that rooms can be tapped, and cars can be tapped, and, and we operate under the assumption that somebody's listening or watching with, pretty much everything we do.

• 59:24Jeremy Corbell?

  But, yeah, I mean, that, that's been proven to us, how many FBI in the group, raise your hand? CIA. Gotcha, okay, um, yeah, man, um, George told me this a long time ago, and to me, it was unbelievable, until it started happening to me. And then the thing is, is that it's so overt, there's covert and overt, it was so overt, badge contact with OSI, badge contact with FBI, badge contact with CIA, and then all of a sudden, Michael kinda sees this shit going on, a- a- and it became real to him, and he saw what was, I, I think you, you've, you've done a couple interviews about the movie? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I think, you know, for me, a huge turning point was, okay, there are intelligence a- agents, intel agents, on a payroll,

• 1:00:07Jeremy Corbell?

  and this is during, I mean, there are wars in the Middle East, there's so much happening around the world, and they're spending their time on Jeremy, hours and hours a day, um, trying to manipulate the reporting or question, try to find the sources, um, so the big question is, why, why are, why is there so much engagement? Why are there, someone said, there's more, um, assets on Jeremy than, than, than terrorists, and George? Yeah, yeah, our lawyer was really worried about, you know, what was going on, but, hey, everything's good, guys, we're good, we're gonna go to the, we're gonna have a party, everybody's gonna hang out, and we give a, be, give a big hug, not if you're sick, go home, otherwise, you know, give a big hug, we're good, everything's good. So, look, George and I are gonna continue our reporting, today was a historic day, I wanted to bring it back to that real quick, you're gonna, you're gonna fucking see what's going on, yeah, yeah, get up here.

• 1:00:50Jeremy Corbell?

  So, we're gonna end now, but I, I just wanna say, today, even for, so I'm an optimist, but George, um, has always been kinda pessimistic, because he's seen it for like- Forty years, what are you gonna be told? It's cool, they put out some videos today. There are craft of non-human origin that have been reverse engineered. They have been exploited for their weapons and technology. We have bodies, we've had people raise their hands and talk about it in Congress like David Grush. And, and, and you, we're seeing videos, so I am happy. I am happy that some videos came out with, we provoked some shit. But if they don't put out the good stuff, the good stuff is coming, you have my word on that.

• 1:01:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and George is, I mean, we're committed to this thing about journalism in America, you know? Um, however, there's a bigger story that you're not being told. People need to be told that story. If you're not told that story, then we've missed the mark. That's what we need to demand, and I hope it comes. Michael, great movie. Thank you for destroying my sense of like, you know, ego, looking at the movie. I appreciate you for, um, just completely making my life a horror movie. You guys, uh, thank you for being here and, um, shit, I don't know what to say, just like, let's see what happens in the next couple of weeks, right?

• 1:02:10George Knapp?

  Carry on. Well, that event was a lot of fun. That, that theater is a really cool building and, uh, the whole, that whole town is a really cool place. Um, you know, I saw, there's a lot of people and our, our colleagues in the UFO field who are making some pretty cogent observation. Rich Dolan and, uh, Bryce Abel had a discussion about whether this form of disclosure so far is meant to educate the public all the way? Or to control the narrative? In a sense, I mean, they've already been controlling the narrative for eighty years, haven't they? And then, so it wouldn't be anything new if they come up with a, a new mechanism for doing it. Centralize all this information in one place and decide, again, what people get to see and what they don't get to see.

• 1:02:55George Knapp?

  But I- I don't want to use the word optimistic because that's not my nature, but I am happy that this process has started and hope it continues and that bad actors don't get in the middle of it and make sure that the really juicy stuff, the most important stuff, remains off limits.

• 1:03:13Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, that's already a problem and so that's the thing is even though, you know, the president has ordered this and Congress has pushed for it, they're reliant upon agencies like the CIA to cough up their best evidence and like just put it in their hands. How can they even hold them accountable for if they're giving them the best evidence? I told them, you know, go over, go to NGA, go to NRO. They have the actual hardware and software that track these things in space and in water. It's an incredible amount of data that is there. We do know that there is an unwillingness within the CIA who has a lot of control over

• 1:03:54Jeremy Corbell?

  these assets to be able to kind of expose that to the public and even to Congress. So I hope when they're asking, they're really pushing to get good, solid information. I think that's why we facilitated the 46 videos plus a lot more from Air Force that they didn't list publicly. So they're on the case for a lot of really good footage that if they did get, it would burst a bubble. But it's just a matter of, you know, is that going to happen? Only time will tell. We have to keep pushing. I think that this week, especially with the movie coming out and this little glimpse of other stuff, the people will go to jail. They will go to jail for what they have done if they don't find a way to bring

• 1:04:36Jeremy Corbell?

  this forward to the American public. And I'm really hoping, that's like dirty laundry you don't need other countries seeing. I'm really hoping that this is a genuine effort, but we're only going to know with time what the next release looks like. But I'm very, I'm going to say I'm optimistic because of what things like Rep Luna, Rep Burleson, and Rep Burchett have said about forcing the issue with footage.

• 1:05:01George Knapp?

  I remember in the early 90s, hearing almost those exact words from a congressional investigator cleared to look at all black budget projects, who was on the trail. You know, he'd been given authorization from the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and I think there was a chairman of There's a finance guy in there too, uh, who said, go find it, spend some time, run this down. Is there a program where they're reverse engineering flying saucers, aliens, bodies, things like that? And he looked and he never found it. But he said at the end, after he'd been out to Area 51, look, I think this is real and it's being hidden. And when it comes out, people will go to prison because, uh, not necessarily lying to the public, because

• 1:05:43George Knapp?

  that happens all the time, but because tens of millions, hundreds of millions, maybe billions of dollars had been scooped up and funneled into these programs that Congress and the public don't know about. And, um, and it should be illegal if it isn't. Anyway.

• 1:05:57Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. Uh, Rep. Burleson has talked about that, that, you know, for him, it's also this, uh, financial issue that for the American public is where is all this money going? And as they say in crimes, like follow the money, you're going to find the person. You know, the, the gap between what's been released and what exists i- is still enormous. But, you know, we're on the right path. If we have subpoena power in Congress, if we get proper whistleblower legal protections, like for Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland, who, by the way, like, uh, Senior Chief Wiggins are under attack. Senior Chief Wiggins, it's a form of, um, bureaucratic terrorism. And I think we might end up reporting on that

• 1:06:39Jeremy Corbell?

  soon, but all of Congress knows if they make another move on that guy, one more move, all that's going to become public. They just want to stop people from raising their hands in Congress and telling it like it is. So there's still this opposition, man. And if it's not illegal, it should be illegal. But one thing I know is illegal is attempting to fabricate evidence against whistleblowers when they're coming in under the idea that they're going to have whistleblower protection. And I hope we don't have to pull that trigger, but that is absolutely something that has happened before.

• 1:07:11George Knapp?

  It's not only abhorrent, it's in bad taste to invite somebody to come in, they accept the invitation and then you play dirty tricks on them, which again, we might have to get into that someday. I did hear some stuff from Dave Grush in this past week, who said exactly what you're hinting at, is that there are blocks, the same old, same old folks are trying to block the good information, the really most sensitive information from coming out. And I hope that President Trump, after getting this underway, doesn't sort of walk away and have other priorities, because he's gonna have to keep the pressure on. They're not gonna give this stuff away willingly. I doubt he has time to read all that was released, or has any idea how much has still out there and hasn't been released, but he's gonna have to give some authorization for declassification, and somebody in the White

• 1:07:55George Knapp?

  House is gonna have to stay on top of it, to force the good stuff to get out into the public.

• 1:08:01Jeremy Corbell?

  Maybe that's the missing link here, is you can order this release, but you need to give a clear order of how this needs to be declassified rapidly, fast, and move it along. Maybe that is like a missing element. Look, we're not just celebrating the release here, George, I feel like we're grading it. Right now, you know, I'm giving it a C minus, like it's good, you know, it'll pass, but there's gotta be something better come in, and if not, maybe we can provoke it.

• 1:08:29George Knapp?

  So we had that premiere Friday. What happens now? Is the movie, is it out?

• 1:08:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, as of right now, when people are watching it, it is out. A little uncomfortable for me, it's a personal, real personal film, but you know, it's the whole truth. The one thing with Michael I said is just, you know, don't lie, tell it like you see it, tell it like it is. And I think he did a great job. So people can go now, Amazon, Apple, you know, wherever you get these kind of streaming things, yeah, check it out.

• 1:08:59George Knapp?

  Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch it again, too. I was surprised by a lot of stuff that was in there when I saw it Friday. Anyway, good talk to you. See you on the other.

• 1:09:06Jeremy Corbell?

  All right, man, talk to you soon.