The Aleppo Sandwich Updated (Pt 2)

When we left off, Shadi Martini was getting increasingly worried that his efforts to help those targeted by the Syrian regime would be discovered. A doctor who was known to treat protestors had been arrested and tortured. Shadi took it as a message – someone was telling him to stop. But he didn’t stop. Instead, he started doing a lot more.

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• 0:00Dan Pashman?

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• 1:07Dan Pashman?

  Hey, everyone. We're about to share part two of our series all about a very special sandwich shop in Aleppo, Syria. If you didn't hear part one, please go back and listen to that one first. We originally aired this story in 2017. In the past year, conditions in Syria have changed dramatically. Many of you reached out asking for an update on this story. Well, I'm pleased to tell you that this Monday, we will have that brand-new update on the sandwich shop and our main character, Shadi Martini. So enjoy part two and stay tuned for this Monday when we'll have the new part three.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Previously on The Sporkful. People are walking in and they see us and they're like, "Ah, you're here for the sandwich." This was a pilgrimage spot.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Clearly, that place is long gone. Who knows whether the owners are alive or dead?

• 1:56Dan Pashman?

  Do you remember that sandwich?

• 1:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember every sandwich.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  It's being there, eating it there and talking to the people that makes it probably more delicious. We used to talk a lot, laugh a lot. All of a sudden, people started being quiet. People started avoiding coming into hospitals. And that was when we started trying to help them. We had one doctor that was kidnapped and tortured. I interpreted as a warning, like be careful what you're doing and stop doing it.

• 2:42Dan Pashman?

  This is The Sporkful. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week on our show, we obsess about food to learn more about people.

• 2:51Dan Pashman?

  Let's continue with the story of Shadi Martini. He has a special attachment to the sandwich shop we're searching for, Sergia. Shadi loved that place partly because of the food and the people, which made the shop really unique to Aleppo. But he also loved it because it played a role in his own transformation. From a wealthy businessman running a hospital to a guy who was risking his life to treat demonstrators who'd been beaten by the secret police. When we left off, Shadi was getting increasingly worried that he'd be discovered. A doctor who was known to treat protesters had been arrested and tortured. Shadi took it as a message. Someone was telling him to stop. But he didn't stop. Instead, he started doing a lot more.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  So what we did is we established this secret network with the friends of mine. And we actually financed this by our, you know, resources because we had money. We were very well off. And what we did is we established some secret facilities and helped people establish it. Gave them equipment, gave them medical supplies.

• 3:52Dan Pashman?

  Through this secret network, Shadi and a few friends smuggled medical supplies to people around the region. And he put his skills running businesses to use. He created a structure with a small core group, and then there were supply chains in various directions. He made sure only the core group knew all the people involved. So if someone down the chain was arrested, they wouldn't have too much information to share.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  So we did a lot of this stuff under the radar and no one knew about it until 2012 when we were discovered.

• 4:21Dan Pashman?

  Did your family know what you were doing?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  My family didn't. They, I'm talking here about my family as my parents and my, my brothers, but my wife knew.

• 4:35Dan Pashman?

  What was that moment? What was the moment you were discovered?

• 4:38Speaker 03

  It was another two colleagues that were arrested. And at that time, I was outside the country because I, what I did in 2011 is I moved my family out of the country, my kids and wife. Because I was very afraid that something will happen to them because of my actions.

• 4:56Dan Pashman?

  Shadi was able to get his wife and kids to America. They basically just got lucky. They won the green card lottery. They settled in the Detroit area. Shadi shuttled back and forth between there and Aleppo. He wanted to continue his secret work and stay close to his parents. He was hoping to convince them to leave with him. Then, in the summer of 2012, Shadi was on his way back to Syria after a trip to the US. At this point, he'd been doing his secret work for about a year. He was on a stopover in Europe. The fighting in Aleppo at that time was so bad that the airport there was closed. His flight back to Syria was canceled.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  And during that time, when I was trying to find another airline or to go through another city like Damascus, I was informed by a colleague of mine who worked with me, "Don't come back. We are discovered. Our names are on each and every roadblock, so stay out." And actually, if I would have made it on this flight that I was planned, probably I would, I couldn't have made it out.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  At that time, I always thought of my kid, who was three years old. I always imagined that my son would grow up and he would come to me and ask me about Syria, what happened at that time, and I will have to explain it. I always thought that the next question will be, "What, what did you do?" And I couldn't imagine myself telling him, "Well, I did nothing. I just took care of business and made us more rich." Actually, after I left, the government put out a decree to confiscate everything I own in Syria. So I I I wrote, I lost everything. I lost the ability to go back to my home.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  But really, I don't regret regret anything. I I sleep great at night, seeing that I did what I should do.

• 6:50Dan Pashman?

  Once you realized you weren't going to be able to go back to Aleppo, were you able to tell your parents?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, they knew, but they knew that I couldn't come back. Yeah, they knew. It's tough for them. It's tough for me, probably, but they're still in Aleppo. So they they they need to do what they have to do to survive.

• 7:14Dan Pashman?

  When is the last time you spoke to them?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Several years now.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  One of the reasons I went back to Aleppo in 2008, and I had very good business in Europe, was to to be next to them.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  You know, I thought most of my life was, I lived it without them. So somehow, I thought that being close to them in these years would be a good thing. But, you know,

• 7:53Speaker 03

  change, you know, events, you know, changed everything.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Sorry about that.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Try not to think about it, you know, if you if you, you know, this is what the dilemma for a lot of us that we went through, what we went through, is we try to block it.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Most of us are so traumatized of what we went through, what we've witnessed, that we try not to think about it.

• 8:29Dan Pashman?

  As I listened to Shadi, I kept thinking about how he had made this choice that had caused him so much pain, and yet, he doesn't regret it. I wondered if he wishes he hadn't seen what he's seen. Not that he would have made a different choice and supported the government, but does he just wish he could get rid of that pain?

• 8:49Speaker 03

  No, never, never. You know, it's tough, but I'm happy that I went through this. It's not only about Aleppo, you know? It's opened my eyes about a lot of things, you know? As a person, as a human beings, how we are as human beings. I always looked at myself as myself only, and the people surrounding me. Remember Darfur? We didn't care. Rwanda? We didn't care. And you have to understand that it could come to you. It's gonna happen to you, and one day you'll be suffering, and you'll be looking and wondering, "Why are others not so passionate? Why they don't have empathy toward me?"

• 9:32Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, it's tough when others had these problems and you didn't care. So, no, no, no. I love that I've seen that. I love that I've turned to a different person, because that's how people should be, not the other way around.

• 9:56Dan Pashman?

  Wow, this is emotional.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  I thought we were talking about sandwiches, and then you surprised me with all this stuff and all these floods of emotion that I wasn't prepared to.

• 10:23Dan Pashman?

  Yes, we were talking about sandwiches. Shadi gave us a really deep sense of the food and the atmosphere at Sergia. I think now we understand why this place was so important to him, and why, as Adam put it, even for locals, Sergia was a pilgrimage spot. But Shadi didn't know for sure what happened to it. Like Isa, he'd heard the original one by the public garden might still be open, but he couldn't confirm it. Shadi had known a lot of the workers in the shop, but he didn't really know the Sergia family. And he can't reach out to people in Syria for info, because talking to Shadi could put those people in danger.

• 10:58Dan Pashman?

  We needed to get to someone in Aleppo. But how do you reach someone in a mostly destroyed city in a police state? Well, as it turns out, there's an app for that.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Hello, I'm at Serhiy from Aleppo.

• 11:16Dan Pashman?

  Coming up, contact. Stick around.

• 11:44Dan Pashman?

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• 12:25Dan Pashman?

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• 14:21Dan Pashman?

  Welcome back to The Sporkful. I'm Dan Pashman. If you're looking for more stories like this one on the way that food can collide with politics, culture, and history, check out our recent episodes on a hot dog vendor who's been defending his turf in New York City for decades, and our recent episode on the real-life Jose Cuervo and the tequila wars of Mexico. What's that? You're more in the mood for something lighter, a little more fun? We got that too. Recently, I was joined by Paula Velez and James Park to take your calls and field your food disputes. One listener told us that the best part of the watermelon is right at the end, where the pink flesh meets the white rind. Paula and James had some thoughts on that.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  Can we just, like, touch base on the watermelon, though?

• 14:57Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That was the one that I was like, excuse me. I agreed everything until you said that.

• 15:03Dan Pashman?

  Really? I love that part.

• 15:04Speaker 06

  No.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  Like, the pink part is like what you would give to somebody that you love. The white part is your enemies. You know what I mean?

• 15:10Speaker 06

  It's just like, sure, I will eat it because I don't want to, like, you know, leave too much pink on it. But I wouldn't say I would choose that over the watermelon.

• 15:18Dan Pashman?

  I agree that I would not rank that as the best bite of the watermelon, but I do enjoy it.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  I mean, look, I don't like yucking anybody's yum because my stuff might be weird. But, yeah, that one was like, mm-hmm.

• 15:33Dan Pashman?

  Now, back to the show. After talking with Shadi, we knew the only way to find out for sure what happened to Sergia was to talk to someone in Aleppo. We went back to our contacts, put out another call. We're looking for people from Aleppo who know the sandwich shop Sergia. Mmm. Oh, my God.

• 15:51Speaker 07

  Knaffay. I mean, my daughter said, I said, I did a cake. She said, what do you mean you did cake? Let's do something Syrian. I forgot completely about it.

• 16:01Dan Pashman?

  This is Fadya. She's born and raised in Aleppo. She came to the US more than 30 years ago. On the day we went to her house in the New York suburbs, she served us her homemade knaffay. It's a Middle Eastern cheese pastry soaked in simple syrup. It's topped with a layer of thin, little crispy bits, sort of like the shreds you see on some baklava that look like a bird's nest. Then on the inside, it's like a very sweet cheesecake filling, but a lot softer and oozer, almost like pudding. It's bonkers.

• 16:28Speaker 07

  This is my specialty, so.

• 16:30Dan Pashman?

  This is so good.

• 16:31Speaker 07

  Yeah. I mean, whenever I go, people said, I said, what do you want me to bring? They said, please, can you bring us knaffay?

• 16:39Dan Pashman?

  Fadya's been back to Aleppo a few times since moving to the US, but not since the war started. She remembers Sergia well.

• 16:46Speaker 07

  It's a very simple restaurant. From outside, you figure out it's like an ordinary place, but.

• 16:52Dan Pashman?

  Fadya knew the father who opened the restaurant in the 70s and the sons who took over after he passed away.

• 16:58Speaker 07

  I think why he is famous, because of his generosity. And maybe he cooked with a lot of love. He doesn't cook like, ah, I just wanted to have the money. No, he cooked from his heart, so he get really good quality.

• 17:14Dan Pashman?

  Fadya still has family in Aleppo, so she asked that we not use her last name because they could get in trouble if the government finds out she spoke with us. But her family there, they were our in. She's still in regular contact with them. So that's how it happened. The one of Fadya's relatives walked into Sergia by the public garden in Aleppo and said, there's a radio show in New York that wants to talk to you.

• 17:54Speaker 07

  Sometimes they get scared not to answer the phone if they don't know the...

• 17:59Dan Pashman?

  We were in Faria's living room. We called with her iPad using an app called Viber that the Syrian government can't monitor.

• 18:06Speaker 07

  Allo?

• 18:08Speaker 07

  Allo, merhaba?

• 18:11Speaker 07

  Allo? Allo, ahlain xayyoh, ahlain kifak? Selamet? Allah issem makmeel... Afiin? Ahlain, acha Imad Serjia?

• 18:19Dan Pashman?

  She says, "Is this Imad Serjia?"

• 18:23Speaker 07

  Ayuwa? Ayuwa, ana...

• 18:25Dan Pashman?

  After a long pause, he says, "Yes?"

• 18:28Speaker 07

  Yhatu programaj zghir...

• 18:30Dan Pashman?

  Faria explains her family's connection to his. She says, "Remember that guy who came in and said there's a radio show in New York that wants to talk to you? I'm here with them now." And Faria tells Imad, "It's just a show about food, nothing political."

• 18:43Speaker 07

  Ayuwa?

• 18:44Dan Pashman?

  He says, "Okay."

• 18:46Speaker 07

  Fa, what do you want to ask him first?

• 18:49Dan Pashman?

  First is, "How is he doing?"

• 18:51Speaker 07

  Oh... Ambis ala kanoon to kifak?

• 18:56Dan Pashman?

  Getting a decent connection is a problem. Another issue, there are a lot of things we can't ask without putting Imad in a tough position.

• 19:03Speaker 07

  We can't ask him this question about how they are doing or anything. Ayuwa, the days... Ahlain, ahlain, t'fadat. Shubt haboots. What do you want to ask him? About what?

• 19:14Dan Pashman?

  "How are things in his restaurant?"

• 19:16Speaker 07

  Kif al shugal andak?

• 19:18Dan Pashman?

  Imad says the worst of the fighting has passed. Things are better now. The restaurant's open, more people are coming in. Then, we get disconnected again. Despite Imad saying things are okay, Faria is skeptical.

• 19:31Speaker 07

  They bombed all this, and now you could say 10% is safe. But I know it's not, but we can't talk. You're a foreigner and he doesn't know you.

• 19:43Dan Pashman?

  So you think even if things were bad there, he would be afraid to say it to us because he doesn't know who we are?

• 19:48Speaker 07

  He can't, no. He can say it to me. I mean, even I am Syrian, but he won't.

• 19:55Dan Pashman?

  We got Imaad back on the line.

• 19:56Speaker 07

  Hello.

• 19:57Dan Pashman?

  Ask him to describe the tongue sandwich in particular.

• 20:00Speaker 07

  Okay. Can you... تقدر تحكيله على... ساندويشة السانات. الساندويش. تهديه؟ ايه.

• 20:09Dan Pashman?

  I don't speak Arabic. Later on, I had this conversation translated. But I have to say, just hearing Imaad's voice coming out of the speaker in that moment, I found it very moving. Knowing this voice was coming from a place that the news had told me was destroyed.

• 20:31Dan Pashman?

  Early in the conversation, Imaad was wary of us. But when he started talking about his food, you could hear his passion. He was a chef, excited to talk shop.

• 20:48Speaker 07

  Oh, seven hours.

• 20:50Dan Pashman?

  Seven hours what?

• 20:51Speaker 07

  Seven hours for the tongue to get cured. They add vinegar.

• 20:55Dan Pashman?

  It sounds like you're getting hungry just listening to this, Fadiya.

• 21:01Dan Pashman?

  Fadiya tells Imaad the joke I just made.

• 21:05Dan Pashman?

  What about the brain?

• 21:07Speaker 07

  The brain?

• 21:07Dan Pashman?

  Brain sandwich?

• 21:08Speaker 07

  Do you do a... ايه؟ ساندويشات براين؟ ايه؟ اتمنى، اتمنى. المخلك. طيب.

• 21:16Dan Pashman?

  And from there, we proceeded to nerd out on Sergio's recipes with Imaad Sergio. The mayo is homemade and it has garlic in it. The pickles vary depending on the season, sometimes cucumbers, peppers. If you ask for it, they'll put a salad on your sandwich that's made from olives, thyme, oregano, and lemon juice. The brain is boiled with bay leaves, rosemary. If you boil it too long, it turns to mush. It has to be just right, and you have to chill it to be able to slice it. Imaad says, "We love our craft. We were raised doing it."

• 21:44Speaker 07

  Okay. He said that they love what they're doing. And we say in Arabic, it's really, I have to explain it. This is, they said, when you cook with, they call it نفسي. You know, like meditation, sentiment, like they, with a lot of love. They love to cook and they love to eat. They're number one.

• 22:07Dan Pashman?

  After that, I had to ask another crucial question. We had heard from some contacts that an outpost of serjia had opened up in Istanbul. And it's plausible, a lot of Syrian families famous for a restaurant or bakery have migrated to Istanbul, Egypt, Dubai, places where there are a lot of Syrian refugees. But there are also people opening up shops in those places and just ripping off the famous names, even though they have no connection to the original. So I wanted to hear it from Ahmad. We heard that there's a serjia in Istanbul. Can you ask him if it's part of his family that's opening that restaurant?

• 22:41Speaker 07

  Alfi mahal serjia bi Istanbul. Hada bi rabat.

• 22:49Speaker 07

  This is one of the workers that he works for him. He went and used his name, but he's in a good relationship with him. He does everything that they do.

• 22:58Dan Pashman?

  In other words, the serjia in Istanbul, it's legit.

• 23:01Speaker 07

  There are people from Toronto, his friends, they're asking him to come and open a place because his name very well, so they wanted his name to put in there. And so he's very well known, I'm telling you.

• 23:15Dan Pashman?

  Is he going to do that?

• 23:18Speaker 07

  Badak ta'amil hakeh mashru. If he can do it here, he would prefer to come here instead of going to Toronto.

• 23:27Speaker 07

  If you get him a visa, he would love to come.

• 23:38Speaker 07

  And he wishes you to come to Syria. Inshallah, you come to their place, yeah, inshallah, inshallah.

• 23:42Dan Pashman?

  Inshallah, in Syria or New York or Toronto?

• 23:46Speaker 07

  Any mahal, inshallah, biyah bishfu, kaya bi New York, kaya bi Syria, kaya bi Toronto.

• 23:58Speaker 07

  You come to Syria and he would welcome you. They're very generous, they welcome everybody.

• 24:04Dan Pashman?

  Thank you, thank you very much.

• 24:05Speaker 07

  Shukran, shukran. Ma'salam, ma'salam.

• 24:14Dan Pashman?

  ¿Cómo te hace sentir hablar con él, saber que ese lugar todavía está ahí?

• 24:17Speaker 07

  Me siento muy feliz. Me siento feliz porque al menos la gente todavía tiene confianza de que esta ciudad se reembestirá de nuevo. Porque siguen diciendo que lo reembestiremos de nuevo. Volveremos a reembestirlo. La gente que está en Aleppo, dijo que volvería a reembestir este lugar. Nunca nos iríamos de Aleppo.

• 25:01Dan Pashman?

  Conocí a Adam y Jen, la pareja que escuchaste al principio de la parte 1, las que me dijeron sobre Sergia en primer lugar. Me tomó un tiempo recorrer el camino hacia Esa, con tu ayuda, Adam. Él vive parte de su tiempo en Austria.

• 25:13Speaker 08

  Wow.

• 25:14Dan Pashman?

  Austria, ok. Pero todavía está regresando a Aleppo con bastante frecuencia. ¿En serio? Sí, su madre todavía vive allí.

• 25:19Speaker 08

  Wow.

• 25:20Dan Pashman?

  Y está bien y ella está bien. Hasta ahora. El lugar de hamburguesa se llama Sergia. Sergi... Sergia.

• 25:29Speaker 08

  Sergia.

• 25:29Dan Pashman?

  Sí.

• 25:30Speaker 08

  Ese es un nombre familiar.

• 25:32Dan Pashman?

  Y ese es el nombre de la familia.

• 25:34Speaker 08

  Uh huh. Espera, ¿entonces todavía...?

• 25:36Dan Pashman?

  Todavía existe.

• 25:38Speaker 08

  ¿En serio?

• 25:38Dan Pashman?

  Todavía está ahí.

• 25:39Speaker 08

  Oh, Dios mío.

• 25:40Dan Pashman?

  Wow.

• 25:40Speaker 08

  En realidad, creo que voy a llorar un poco. Eso me hace muy... muy feliz de oír. Wow.

• 25:53Dan Pashman?

  Después de eso, había otra persona a la que tenía que reportar. Shadi. Hoy en día trabaja con una organización de refugiados sirios en los Estados Unidos, lo que significa que hace viajes regulares a Estambul, donde muchos refugiados se han acostumbrado. Y como recordarán, ahora hay una Sergia en Estambul. Shadi no puede volver a Aleppo. Pero, ¿cuán cerca puede el hamburguesa? Şadi, bir kez İstanbul'da olursanız, Sergiye'ye gideceksiniz. Bana para verin. Ben size bir sandalye alacağım. Tamam mı?

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Bunu merak etmeyin. Hadi, sadece bir sandalye mi? Sen bir şey alacaksın. New York'tan gelirsen, New York'tan gece alacaksın. Ben bu sandalye alacağım.

• 26:34Dan Pashman?

  Sebeple, iyi bir işçiyisin.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Kesinlikle.

• 26:40Dan Pashman?

  Bir kalkıma.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Evet, bu, anladın mı? Bu işbirliği yapmalıyız.

• 26:48Dan Pashman?

  Tamam, bir deal. Sergiye'de bir sandalye alacaksınız. Beni aradınız. New York'ta olursanız, gece ona gelirsin.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Bu bir deal.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Evet, güzel.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Evet, evet. Hayır, anladım. Birazdan birazdan, birazdan.

• 27:31Dan Pashman?

  Bir kaç ay sonra İstanbul'da oldu. Dalya Mortada'yla tanıştı. İstanbul'da yaşamak için bir yazar ve bir yazar. Şadi ilk restorantına geldiğinde, onu korkutuyordu.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Biraz farklı. Ne farklı? Her şeyin nasıl yapıldığı, yemeklerin türü, yemeklerin türü biraz farklı. Olsun, yemekleri göreceksiniz. Mozzarella, kastırma, bu, hepsi hangi. Bu, L.A.''da olduğu gibi. Yemeklerin hangi, kafenin, kavramın, yemekler ve bir sürü yemek. Bu, bu, bu fark.

• 28:16Dan Pashman?

  Yemekler aynı şekilde gösterilmiyor. Ve yemeklerin tanıtılmayan renkler.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Yeniye daha çok müşterileri istiyor. Suriyaların burada olduğu kadar çok. Müşteriler. Bu yüzden, kırıç, falafel, şarj, geriye gidenler, onları alacak.

• 28:34Dan Pashman?

  Shadi placed his order.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  He assured me that he's doing it like he's supposed to. No changes, no fancy stuff. Don't do the European stuff. I just want the old Olympian sandwich, that's it.

• 28:57Dan Pashman?

  Soon, it was time to eat.

• 28:59Speaker 09

  Which one is this one?

• 29:00Speaker 03

  This one is... this was the brain.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Let's suck it up.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  The lemon.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Same taste. Takes you back home.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Just hits you.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  The taste. You got flashbacks, you know? That's the problem that we're always all facing. That we try to remember the good stuff.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Then when you get something like this, you get everything back. You know, you recognize that you're not coming back. You're not going back anymore there. That's it. That's how you're gonna remember where you live.

• 30:11Dan Pashman?

  At the time that Shadi ate that sandwich in Istanbul, he had no idea what the future would look like for Syria. For the next few years after that, the Assad government would strengthen its hold on the country. There would be a little more stability, but Shadi would remain in exile. Then, just last year, everything in Syria changed very quickly and very dramatically. When that happened, many of you reached out to us asking for an update on Shadi. Well, I'm pleased to tell you we taped a brand-new interview with Shadi. Yes, he has returned to Syria. We will hear all about it this Monday. This episode was originally produced by Ann Sannie and me. Dan Charles was our editor. Casey Holford mixed this episode. Additional production and editing from Peter Clowney, Dahlia Mortada and Zach Rosen. Special thanks to Adam Davidson, Jen Banbury and Jamal Johar.

• 30:56Dan Pashman?

  These days, our show is produced by Emma Morgenstern and Andres O'Hara. Our editor this week was Nick Liao and our engineer is Jared O'Connell. This show is a production of Stitcher Studios. Our executive producer is Camille Stanley. Until next time, I'm Dan Pashman.

• 31:08Speaker 10

  And I'm Holly Rosby in Cleveland, Ohio, reminding you to eat more, eat better and eat more better.

• 31:30Speaker 11

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• 31:54Speaker 12

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