Is UFO Disclosure Dead?

Is UFO Disclosure dead? Join investigative journalists Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp for a rollicking ride through the wild world of UAPs, where Las Vegas ties clash with cosmic ties, and “Disclosure is dead" headlines get a much-needed autopsy. Is the post-2017 truth train derailed, or just rerouted through stubborn congressional hearings, shadowy intel whispers, and unyielding whistleblowers? The duo dissects Carl Nell's bombshell, skewers the flimsy "solved" narrative behind SUV-sized drone swarms over military bases, and dives into Avi Loeb's interstellar interloper (hint : it's probably not the alien armada you've been warned about). From Bill Maher's surprise UAP shoutout to Dr. Beatriz Villarroel's peer-reviewed bombshell of pre-Sputnik "ghost satellites", Corbell and Knapp unpack the week's weirder edges: Bigfoot saucer-spotting at Skinwalker Ranch, shadow beings lurking in secure silos, and why credible witnesses whisper about "fast-forward" entities zipping from crashed craft. Plus, a cinematic UFO avalanche alert - get hyped for Age of Disclosure, James Fox's Varginha alien hunt, Dave Paulides' Bigfoot-UFO mashup, and a fresh Bob Lazar doc. Buckle up for insider scoops, sarcastic takedowns, and zero tolerance for disinformation. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:56Jeremy Corbell?

  From what I hear, disclosure is dead.

• 1:00George Knapp?

  Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty big headline. Disclosure is dead.

• 1:03Jeremy Corbell?

  Did you hear the other good news, George? Which is the global, the entire drone phenomenon with these objects, sizes of SUVs hovering over military installations. It's all been solved.

• 1:17George Knapp?

  Apparently, there is one company that flew all those drones. They did it all and didn't tell anybody. But now they're fessing up. We just can't know much about the company. Did they also go over to the UK and buzz those air bases? Are they doing this over Europe and Denmark and Norway? Man, I gotta get some stock in that company, whatever it is. What's the name of it?

• 1:39Jeremy Corbell?

  An unnamed worker from an undisclosed contractor reportedly told a small gathering of undisclosed individuals that they were apparently responsible for last year's drone spawner. Everybody's asking what my opinion is on the 3I Atlas object coming to Earth. Now, I'm not an astronomer. I'm not a scientist. But why they're asking me is because I made a statement back in January saying that, hey, there's a lie coming.

• 2:09Jeremy Corbell?

  This is weaponized.

• 2:20George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp, coming to you from the world capital of sun, fun, sin, sex, and secrets, my hometown Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell, who is hunkered down somewhere in Southern California. And I know it's temperate and beautiful where you are, Jeremy, but it is hard to convey just how excellent Las Vegas is in October. And I've said this before, sorry to harangue you about it again, but, you know, circle this on your calendar, folks. If you ever want to visit Las Vegas, October is the time to do it. It feels like Maui outside. What about in your neck of the woods?

• 2:55Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, man, it's always sunny in California. I feel lucky to live here. You know, and I did, just for the record, I got the memo, and I'm wearing a tie. And I did this for you.

• 3:07George Knapp?

  What?

• 3:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Yet you are always joking. I don't got a tie. I want the world to know I have a tie. It's the same tie I've always had. I got married in this tie like 15 years ago, but I got a tie.

• 3:17George Knapp?

  This hanging down and it's not attached up there tells me it's not a clip-on, too.

• 3:22Jeremy Corbell?

  I know how to tie a tie. Yes.

• 3:25George Knapp?

  I'll show you this. This is the worst, ugliest tie in the world with aliens on it. I wore this once at Tucalius. They said no more of that. So, you know.

• 3:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Commander Fraber, if people zoom in on his tie when he test by the Congress, he had little spaceships on it, which I thought was pretty cool.

• 3:41George Knapp?

  So, you know, we kind of had in mind for this week, a bit of a breather. I mean, we've had this long string of powerful interviews. We had Chris Sharp last week, and Dylan for a couple of, Borland for a couple of episodes, previous to that, Matt Brown. I mean, we did some heavy stuff so far this year. It's been a really productive year for Weaponized. But, you know, sometimes you need to pause a little bit and, and take some time to digest what is unfolding in UFO world. And so today, we're going to do a little bit of that, look at current issues and events and news stories. And there are a bunch of them, right?

• 4:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, from what I hear, disclosure is dead.

• 4:19George Knapp?

  Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty big headline. Disclosure's dead. Um, you know, it must be true because I read it on X. And then it appeared in other places and, you know, I was unaware that disclosure was actually ever alive. And you'll find out that somehow it's kicked the bucket. I'm assuming that, you know, funeral services are pending. I hope we can attend. This is a very solemn moment for us, but where were you when you got this tragic news, Jeremy? And how are you holding up?

• 4:47Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, it's though I'm wearing a tie for the funeral of disclosure. Um, you know, look, I, I, again, people text me stuff. I'm kind of the canary in the cold mine for, you know, UFO ideas. Everybody writes me like, you know, panic, what's going on? So these comments come from Carl Now. And it wasn't a severe, when I watched what he said, and I actually reached out to him and just had a really blip of a correspondence about it because I was like, I think you're being misunderstood here. Um, but where it comes from, he says, the recent cycle of disclosures since 2017 has effectively ended. That's, that was his exact words. And what he's referencing is the UAP Disclosure Act, which he was

• 5:29Jeremy Corbell?

  really, really focused that that had to happen for any kind of disclosure to happen. And just to give a little light to his argument from how I understand it. Um, you know, is it the Schumer Rounds Amendment provided kind of like a management structure for oversight, accountability and transparency by Congress? So I can get with that. I can get with it would have, right? The Schumer Rounds Amendment would have effectively put some of that control into Congress's hands. And since a lot of these UAP programs are being held back by intelligence agencies and national security, you want Congress to have oversight over this. So I don't fully disagree with what the act would have done.

• 6:12Jeremy Corbell?

  But I do remember telling him from, from day one that being right, you know, doesn't win the war. That even though that is a path to getting a formal disclosure, there are many paths to the mountaintop. And if one does not work, then you have to focus on others that will. So that, that's my takeaway. Um, you know, without going into much detail right now, that's my takeaway that this is just a kind of disappointment for people. And I share that disappointment for sure, but it is not. The path I ever thought would take us closer to the truth on UAP was just one that was very optimistic if it did pass.

• 6:50George Knapp?

  Yeah, well, you know, my statement, my, my standard statement about disclosure, I never thought it would happen, at least not voluntarily. They're not going to come out and make an announcement and then let us all see the stuff. What has happened over the past seven years or seven years plus? I mean, it is encouraging to me. I, I think there's a lot of good that's happened. I'm good. Gosh, we're having conversations with scientific organizations. Major media people are, are doing stories and series, not all of them very favorable. Congress having hearings and digging in their heels. No one ever said this was going to be easy. No one ever said it was going to happen overnight. But the, the problem is that I don't believe we will ever achieve full disclosure, what the public has in mind. But you have to try, you know, you have to press the buttons and push the ball down the field.

• 7:35George Knapp?

  And that really has been tremendous progress. I, I guess Carl Nell, I don't know him. I've never talked to him. I know about him. I guess he was disappointed with the hearings. He felt like the last hearing was just repeating the same stuff. And, you know, we were there, Jeremy. Um, I thought it was a really powerful presentation, great testimony. And an active duty Navy guy was on the stand there testifying to Congress. Amazing. An, an actual whistleblower who's been through the, the whole process was there telling the stories. And all of those witnesses brought some to the table. I don't think it's repetitive. The more that the public knows, the more that Congress knows, the better it is. And, you know, those members of Congress that were asking the questions, their heels are dug in. They want some answers.

• 8:20George Knapp?

  And the, the fact that it's hard to get people to cough up good information doesn't discourage them. You know, what we don't know is why this legislation has been killed. We don't exactly know whose fingerprints are on it. But you and I have said this for years now, but the closer you get to the goodies, the harder the pushback is going to be. Someone killed that and didn't want their, their fingerprints, uh, or any evidence that they were related to it. And they killed it again and again, and, um, I think we need to find out who that is. You know, that that committee, the secrets task force in the House is doing great. You are in contact with people in the Senate who are very quietly continuing to push. Even though the legislation has now failed, they are making progress.

• 9:05George Knapp?

  There are a lot of people in that Trump administration in those circles who are deeply interested in the subject. And you can't just expect it to go away. Nor can you expect, as Carl Nell has suggested, this big overall program that could link together all of the legacy programs and get to the bottom of it and have true oversight of all the secret keepers. That's a great idea. I wouldn't be surprised if there's something like that, you know, already in the planning stages. But how is that going to happen without Congress? Congress can't walk away from this. You know, the reason we see so much pushback and criticism of Congress is because they actually have the power to make some progress on this. And no, they haven't cracked the code here yet.

• 9:50George Knapp?

  They haven't been in the hangers to see the saucers or the bodies. But but they have made progress and and they're committed to following it up. And they would be needed in order to create the kind of program that Carl Nell has been talking about. Now, in anticipation of you and I kicking this around, I looked up his his whole bio and, you know, he spent 34 years in technology leadership. He was with Bell Labs, Lockheed, Skunk Works, Northrop Grumman. He was the CEO of a couple of big companies, congressionally chartered acquisition on advisory council. He's been in the U.S. Army in a command position. He's been in tech, he's been in defense contractors.

• 10:34George Knapp?

  He sounds like the kind of guy who would really be a good person for that UFO czar program to head it. But also, he sounds like he's a guy who knows where this stuff is. I mean, he's he's made those statements, has he not? I am 100% sure, I have no doubt whatsoever, that there's non-human intelligence interacting with us. Well, it'd be really nice if we could go to Congress and tell them how he knows. Where is it? Where's this information?

• 10:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, to be fair, he did say, you know, we have to think about a new way forward. He's talking about with the mechanisms of government in place. And I consider him a friend. We've talked a few times in depth about all this. I've invited him, you know, to come on and have this conversation with us because I think his voice is valuable. And I don't want to pull people out of context by clips, you know, that you see running on social media. Because that always happens to me, you know, recently on, you know, some podcasts, people are putting clips out of things that I said that are just partial stories to it. So I'd like, I think that's an important conversation to have. I think that he's an important voice in this.

• 11:39Jeremy Corbell?

  He's a deep thinker, but I think we need to expand on these ideas so we can all find that path forward together. I think what's being missed here is that it was, and again, if you're kind of new to this fight, you know, I'm talking about since 2017, you're going to maybe forget where we were before that. And you and I, you were dealing with this a lot longer before that. But yeah, I was there during the dark ages. And, you know, look, 50 years of no congressional hearings. Why do I fight so hard to bring quality witnesses in? Because Congress has the power. If anybody's going to have oversight over the shenanigans of these legacy programs and the bullshit that we have seen with the deception, the disinformation, the way that people's careers have been harmed, it's going to be Congress. It's going to be the power of Congress.

• 12:24Jeremy Corbell?

  Now, as you mentioned, yeah, I do speak with people in Senate who are not publicly out about this stuff. Particularly, I'll say that there is a feeling of knowledge that, not guessing, of knowledge that this is real, this is true, and we have, Houston, we have a problem. But in order to bring that forward and really get at it, you have to have people that can also speak publicly. The majority of testimony from people really involved at a high level has been behind closed doors. That's why the fight with these public hearings is to get people, no matter how small their piece, if we can verify it, to have them be able to speak publicly.

• 13:09Jeremy Corbell?

  And I've heard it all privately, and I know Congress sure has. I mean, we've heard, we've had to brief intelligence agencies on the very fundamental basics of what we know so they can catch up. And it look, you're not going to spend two weeks, two months, even two years in an agency, even with all the great computers you have and people you could talk with and sources and look at classified stuff, you're not going to get the full picture in a short amount of time. It's just not going to happen. So I what I'm I'm going to round this out with Sam, that I think that behind the scenes, there is real understanding of the the functional reality of what we call um UAP. And I know that people are working inside and out to

• 13:53Jeremy Corbell?

  try to expose this and the corruption of it so that it doesn't harm more people. It's time for the public to know now how we're going to get there. Are we going to get there? You don't think we are. But as you said, we have to fight for it. We have to build off of the past and build off of these hearings and don't have a defeatist attitude ever.

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• 14:39George Knapp?

  Yeah, I agree with that. And while I am saying that I don't think there's a day that disclosure suddenly happens, I do think we there are ways that we can learn what's really going on. And if even if it's not the president making an announcement, yep, we've been lying to all this time. Sorry about that. You can still make progress and understand it. There are scientific organizations. Carl Nell works closely with Saul, which is having its a big yearly meeting, I think this coming weekend in Italy. Whoa, we were there. Weapon, I should be there. Um, you know, I think that's where he probably is. And you know, Congress is an important component of it. Media pressure is an important important component.

• 15:19Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 15:19George Knapp?

  Citizen involvement, scientific organizations that all have to sort of work in conjunction with each other to keep the pressure on and try to squeeze these secrets out of the people who are keeping the stuff secret. I think that there is a way to make progress through that. And it would be with people like Carl Nell helping. You know, like I said, I don't know the guy. I'm not dissing him at all. But it's looking at his history, comes out once a year, makes a statement and then goes away. And that's it, you know? If he wants to move this ball down the field, make progress, how about being part of it? You know, being more public. Tell us what you know, or if you can't tell us, tell Congress. You're 100% sure. How do you know? Where is it? Where's the goods?

• 16:01George Knapp?

  How do you not impart that information if he really wants to get things going?

• 16:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, well, I think we should encourage people that are willing to speak to speak more and to be very clear. This is going to be done with, you know, with the media, with evidence, with people coming forward. And I can tell you this, you're not going to push people back down. You're just not. When Alexandro testified as a Navy individual, when he testified in front of Congress, man, it emboldened people to talk with me even more about what's going on. So now the flip is, you know, will they come forward? You know, it's a sacrifice to come forward. You know, if somebody gets away with not having, you know, reprisals on them when they do come forward, it emboldens people. But there is going to be pushback. You know, those hearings were great.

• 16:52Jeremy Corbell?

  The pushback, I would suspect, will be to try to influence Congress with disinformation and lies. That's what I suspect is going to happen in the future. So we just have to be fastidious. We have to document everything. We have to bring the facts to the table and make sure people don't fall for them. There's a lot of disinformation and misinformation. I'm, you and I are probably. Again, like the canary in the coal mine. Let's just talk about it. This brings me to the atlas thing. Let's, if it's okay, let's jump into that. Everybody's asking what my opinion is on the three I atlas. You know, object coming to earth. Now, I'm not an astronomer. I'm not a scientist, but why they're asking me is because I made a statement back in January saying that, hey, there's a lie coming.

• 17:36Jeremy Corbell?

  And of course, it's part of a show and it was just a very, but if you watch the whole show, you kind of understand what's going on. And I've made a ton of statements about why I would say something like that. I'm not hiding and just saying it. I've explained to people why multiple times. But people are asking about that. Now, I don't know anything about that particular comment. I read the same stuff as everybody else. The trend I'm realizing, you know, our friend in the disclosure movement, Avi Loeb. You know, he talks about these unique characteristics and he's not wrong about that. But it is a consensus of one. I don't see a bunch of other astrophysicists and people working on this stuff. Really echoing that same sentiment.

• 18:19Jeremy Corbell?

  I do love his open mindedness and he knows far better than me. And he's, you know, investigating the unexplained, not explaining the uninvestigated. So I've got a lot of happiness and joy for the way that he's looking at this problem set. But I, you know, I will stand firm in that I said in January, and I actually said it earlier, but it was, you know, I think it was played in January. That there was something coming, that people were going to try to convince the public at large that there was a spacecraft slowly moving to earth. And that didn't come out of thin air. That wasn't just something I like made up before I sat down.

• 18:58Jeremy Corbell?

  That came from years of people trying to impose upon me something to use my mouth. That there was this threat coming, that there's a 1970s document that I believe to be classified for sure. And, you know, I don't have the ability to get that out to people, but it postulated this. So there were so many warning signs that this was gonna happen. I finally said the quiet part out loud. Intelligence agents from multiple agencies, durationally, over years, would call me and slowly edge at me with this theory and this idea to try to get me to say it. And it felt so manipulative, I had to call it out. So that is specifically why I said it, because I felt that pressure over time. I know you've been told, you know, oh, there are these

• 19:42Jeremy Corbell?

  hints of big things coming. Well, if it is, fucking say it. If it is, then you have a duty to say it. But no one's standing up and raising their hand. So I do think it's absolute nonsense. I think that you're gonna see, you know, a comet that's, you know, maybe unique by material, pass by the earth, and life goes on. I, and you know, I'm pretty high confidence that that's what's gonna happen. But again, I don't know, I'm not an astronomer or anything. I just know what intelligence agencies have tried to push on me.

• 20:09George Knapp?

  A lot of people have jumped to the conclusion, aha, Jeremy was talking about this one. How did he know? And, uh, you know, um, I was wondering that myself, since you hadn't shared it with me.

• 20:19Jeremy Corbell?

  But you've heard it, you've heard it, George.

• 20:21George Knapp?

  Yeah, of course.

• 20:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Twenty twenty seven to twenty thirty six. Ooh, a big thing is coming. Okay, what is it then? Where'd you, how'd you find out about it?

• 20:29George Knapp?

  I've been around long enough to remember Hail Bob. You know, Hail Bob, Art Bell, a lot of people saying, oh, there's something following it. A big spaceship, end of the world, gentlemen. And then the crazy cult people in, in Southern California all drank the Kool-Aid and died, killed themselves so they could meet up with it. Now, bad stuff can happen when you do that kind of crazy prognostication. And I'll tell you, I saw this last night on X. Somebody had a picture of Avi Loeb, and they're quoting him as saying, if you're gonna take a vacation, you better do it before October twenty ninth, because this is it. And you know what? I, I don't know that Dr. Loeb said anything even remotely close to that.

• 21:11Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, he did.

• 21:13George Knapp?

  Take your vacation before October 29th.

• 21:14Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I saw the video clip, you know, but again, it's all about context, right? So when you're doing an interview and you're talking with people, he was probably kind of making a joke. He wasn't doing a doomsday thing, but it becomes like, you know, biblical scripture. Everybody's got it. Look, Avi Loeb is fighting to investigate the unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated. That is awesome, but it's the media and social media doing it to itself. I just, um, I don't know, man.

• 21:45George Knapp?

  Well, I just know that I'm not going to be able to take a vacation before October 29th because slave driver Jeremy keeps me tethered to this desk here for weaponized.

• 21:53Jeremy Corbell?

  That's right.

• 21:54George Knapp?

  I'm out of luck.

• 21:56Jeremy Corbell?

  That's right. Well, look, in positive news, man, I saw, um, Bill Maher made a cool statement. He was talking about UAP and a lot of my, our friend Dan, who's a big fan of the Bill Maher show is like, dude, we gotta have somebody on Bill Maher who really knows their shit about UFOs. And he was kind of saying, look, um, this looks like obviously there's some sort of reconnaissance. There's some sort of observational program or something by these unknowns, these unidentified that nobody, you know, is controlling that we know of here on earth. You know, it was, it was kind of cool the way he brought it because he seems like a real logical guy. That was a positive thing I saw this week was his statements on UAP.

• 22:33George Knapp?

  Agreed. I have never, I don't think I've ever heard him talk about UFOs before and I don't recall ever seeing him have a UFO related witness to be interviewed or be one of the panelists, but that'd be cool to see. I, it's clear that Bill Maher has been doing some reading about the topic. I don't think he would jump into this arena if he didn't have a knowledge base because, you know, people love to rip him a new one every time he goes off on a tangent of one kind or another. But yeah, that was pretty cool. It was glad to see it.

• 23:00Jeremy Corbell?

  Did you hear the other good news, George, which is the global, the entire, you know, drone phenomenon with these objects, sizes of SUVs hovering over military installations? It's all been solved. It's all been solved. Have you heard this?

• 23:17George Knapp?

  Yeah, I heard. Well, I heard it in a generic sort of way because they're a little short on details. Apparently there's one company that flew all those drones.

• 23:26George Knapp?

  You know, kind of testing them out over New Jersey. They did it all and didn't tell anybody, but now they're fessing up. We just can't know much about the company or, you know, how many freaking drones did they, does this company have that they flew hundreds of them over New Jersey? And did they also do the 17 nights in a row incursions at Langley Air Force Base and shut down the base? Did they do that at Wright Patterson? Because I got a feeling that the US Air Force might have some questions for these guys. Did they also go over to the UK and buzz those air bases? Were they responsible for the incursions at Plant 42 here in the Southwest? Did they, are they doing this over Europe and Denmark and Norway and Germany and

• 24:11George Knapp?

  all these other countries? Man, I gotta get some stock in that company, whatever it is. What's the name of it?

• 24:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, man, you're bumming me out. Oh, they didn't give the name. Let me break this down real quick. There was a title in the Express. The title, I was like, oh, cool. They figured it out. Mystery behind New Jersey UFO scare last year solved by private company. I was like, okay, that's the title. Let me see what's next. Subtitle. The private contractor has apparently claimed responsibility for mysterious drones. And I'm like, why you gotta be saying apparently, right? And then I read the body of the article and I'm gonna break it down. The actual claim is this. Imagine this. This is, I swear to God, word for word. An unnamed worker from an undisclosed contractor reportedly told a small gathering of undisclosed individuals

• 24:58Jeremy Corbell?

  that they were apparently responsible for last year's drone swarms. I haven't heard a weaker narrative about the drone swarms than that. It was so ridiculous. It doesn't, it explains zero from the observed formations, the vast scope of events, the government responses, the inter-agency statements, zero of that it explains, and it provides zero verifiable evidence. To back up even those flimsy assertions, it's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. It's a sad and desperate attempt to use the media. It reminds me of the 2019 disinformation that it was the Basque Strait that was carrying

• 25:41Jeremy Corbell?

  the hundred-plus units that were flying around those 10 Navy warships. It's just not true. They're not even identifying a culprit. Yet, you see it pop up on social media where people are replicating this as if they're raising their hand in the air. We figured it out. What are you talking about?

• 25:58George Knapp?

  You know what it reminds me of? Doug and Dave. So Doug and Dave were these two old barflies in Britain. And when the crop circle phenomena first became a really big deal, getting a lot of media attention, they step out and said, "It was us. We did it." Of course, you know, these two old guys even demonstrated they can make crop circles. They can mash down corn or wheat or whatever. And the problem would be that there are hundreds of these things, gigantic formations. They'd been around for centuries in Australia, in Canada, in the US, all over, not just the UK. And it would, it calls to mind that Doug and Dave had to cut into their drinking time quite a bit to be able to get all this done. And it was preposterous, you know?

• 26:42Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, you have looked at the crop circle phenomenon for a long time. I remember that with your work when I was just, I didn't know you, but I was watching some of what you did. You and Linda Howe looked into that. Also, we had people on Weaponized. People should go back, rewind the tape. We talked about this series in Australia about the original, what they called saucer nests, which were these, you know, very interestingly woven, flying saucer landing places. And so, yeah, it is interesting that you get these two kind of barflies that come out and take credit for everything. And that does remind me, although it's a weak sauce attempt with this weird article, but you know, it's that kind of thing. Disinformation spreads easily.

• 27:23George Knapp?

  Well, the thing is, it will work. This is already being repeated. Oh, that has all been debunked now. You know, it's already being picked up by other media folks. Well, that's debunked. And that's how debunking works. You, all you have to do to debunk something is declare it debunked, and somebody will repeat it. You know, there are all kinds of famous cases where, oh, that's been debunked.

• 27:46Jeremy Corbell?

  What about?

• 27:47George Knapp?

  Who did it?

• 27:48Jeremy Corbell?

  What about your?

• 27:48George Knapp?

  You say it, and it happens.

• 27:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and like, what about your friend? I know I just read a bunch about Dr. Beatrice. You had Dr. Beatrice on your Netflix show, and you talked with her about what she called transient objects. You know, what she's probably they're gonna be attacking her research now that she put that out. You know, I just be curious what you think about it. Have you seen it in the news?

• 28:13George Knapp?

  I have seen it. I've interviewed her, you know, for that Netflix investigation, Alien. I interviewed her another time, and then she's been sort of putting me off for a couple of months, I think, waiting for her paper to be published. Actually, her and a group of colleagues have now had two papers published about this amazing finding. She had pored over thousands and thousands of sky photographs that were taken decades ago at Palomar Observatory at the Harvard Astronomy Facilities, and noticed an anomaly. These objects that appeared to be stars, but were transient. In one photo, they were there, in the next photo, they're gone. Clearly, they were not stars. So, over the years, she's developed a theory that they were,

• 28:57George Knapp?

  in essence, some kind of satellite. And there were a bunch of them circling the Earth. The main point is, though, they were satellites before we had satellites. So, this paper's been published in two different publications. It's been peer reviewed. I mean, it's a pretty powerful, you want evidence that somebody else is watching us? This is evidence, if it bears bears out. I've seen the attacks already from debunkers. They're saying that these objects were Mogul balloons. Yeah, they weren't satellites, but they were balloons that somehow got up into space, and there's a reflection of sunlight off of them that makes them look like metallic crap. Mogul balloons, if you'll recall, that was the double secret probation explanation

• 29:41George Knapp?

  for Roswell. It wasn't just a balloon. It was a rootin' tootin' balloon project Mogul, which, of course, a lot of people accepted that, even though no Mogul balloon had been released at the time of the Roswell thing. And so, you know, The way it will work is these debunkers will release that, make that claim, it's balloons. And a lot of people will read it and walk away because it's easier to do that. It's easier just wipe your hands, walk away, then dig into the data and pay attention to the conversation. I'm sure that Beatrice is going to respond to it. I look forward to seeing what she says. I think already you said you had read something about why that explanation doesn't work.

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• 31:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. I just kind of started looking into it and she responded directly back. Somebody was saying, oh, it's probably balloons from this era. First of all, the altitudes don't match up, but even without that, she was just talking about the exposures being 50 seconds. And the balloons wouldn't show up like that. So she just smashed them with a single tweet, but it's really interesting. I first learned about her on your Netflix show and then I kind of looked into her work. And then just being that she's doing these peer reviewed papers, this is how it's done. And then all of these doing the same thing to be really kind of obvious about this, they're doing the work, man. And they're trying to show these anomalies and investigating the unexplained. And I really appreciate it. So she's going to be attacked.

• 31:58George Knapp?

  Yeah, well, I know she's attending the Saul event. She's on her way to Italy now, but maybe we can get her on this show. I did an interview with her for KLAAS and it's going to be, I'm going to be creating a couple of news stories about it in the near future. And then we'll put the entire interview online, but it would be fun to have her on here. She's an engaging personality. She's a brave too. She's been kicked around pretty good by her colleagues. I don't know if that has to do with her being a woman. I know there are some associations that she's had that have caused problems, but I think largely it's because people don't want to deal with the information that she has. It's too much to debunk it. And if it, if it lives up under scrutiny over the next several months,

• 32:41George Knapp?

  and it's a big step forward. Again, courageous scientists who have the guts to do their job, to follow the evidence where it leads. There are all that many of them, at least there weren't before. That's the way you make progress on this question.

• 32:55Jeremy Corbell?

  And there are now, and that is another indicator and a sign, these peer reviewed papers, people putting their necks out. There's not one way to go about disclosure and I really see that we've built this great momentum. And look, I get UFO fatigue as well. Can you imagine in my house, your house, tip jar for saying the word UFO? Another call? You know, it's like, but over time, you just have to look at the kind of broad spectrum, how much we have learned because people are now emboldened to come forward and that's only going to increase. So disclosure is not dead. It was either always dead, like you said, we have no chance. Or we've really learned a lot throughout the years and that's just going to increase.

• 33:38Jeremy Corbell?

  And that's kind of, I'm very optimistic from where we are. But George, there are these weird stories that come up that I think really flood the zone, as you would say, and they, they just distract us. It's good to look at them, but did you hear that one about that mystery object that smashed the United Airlines windshield over Utah?

• 33:55George Knapp?

  Of course. And people jump to the immediate conclusion, good gosh, that must be a UFO, an alien craft of some kind.

• 34:03George Knapp?

  But it wasn't. And now we heard today, it's a, it was an actual weather balloon. The weather balloons have been used for all kinds of UFO cases to explain them away. It might actually fit this one for once. So I'm glad, you know, people would say, well, they'd argued to death about an explanation for a case, but we're, we're fine with explanations for cases. We've released a lot of videos on this platform here and people will come up with bogus explanations for them. Very weak kind of debunking strategies. But when you really have a good, solid explanation that people come up with, we're good with that. Scratch it off the list and move on. That's the way the process works.

• 34:41Jeremy Corbell?

  That's right. That's how you get to the brass tacks on these things. So I know there's some things coming up in pop culture surrounding the UFO topic. Um, I know one of them is that we went to a premiere of a movie called Age of Disclosure with a lot of people we know in that movie. And I know that's coming out. What, what do you think about it? People are really excited.

• 35:00George Knapp?

  Well, it's a terrific film. We got to see it when it was first shown in Austin, months early, months ago. And it was very powerful. And, you know, they don't have, uh, you know, a live alien speaking to the camera in this movie, which is what people are going to say, oh my gosh, just people talking about it. But when you see the quality of the people, these, the professionalism, the height of their careers at Intel, uh, and Defense Department and scientists and really bright people who've been on the inside and are now sharing what they learned, uh, because they feel it's safe now to uh, impart that information to the public and people are going to freak out. It's a powerful presentation, Dan Ferris film. I forget what the date of it is, but is it November, December?

• 35:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, November. Yeah.

• 35:47George Knapp?

  There's two other ones though. Before the, uh, end of the year, two other ones are coming out and I think you may have heard a little bit about them. One is James Fox. He has this, you know, he goes back to Barginia, Brazil. He was tracking down people who might have seen or have knowledge of this live alien that was recovered from a crash in Brazil. And, you know, he's, you know, he's produced one film and he was came this close to really nailing it down. He shared with us some information that the contact in the desert event and, and in a lot of communication since then, you've had as well as me about the progress that he's made and that film is coming out also, I think in December and it's going to be a whopper. You know, it's going to really be good.

• 36:32George Knapp?

  You, you've seen the, the, uh, the trailers that are still.

• 36:34Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I have. He shares with me, but mostly it's his enthusiasm. He comes up and he's telling me, I got the doc to finally talk about the alien body right in front of him. I mean, he's like so excited about it and it excites me when he's that excited about it. So, yeah, it's these kinds of things, man, where I think it's just piece by piece. So that's a great movie that's going to be coming as well. And then, um, I know there's another one.

• 36:57George Knapp?

  David Politis.

• 36:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:59George Knapp?

  Dave Politis. Now, he's known best now for Missing 411, these strange disappearances in, in national parks and national forests and has written several bestselling books on that. But I, I recall the first time I met him and encountered and interviewed him, it was about Bigfoot. That was, that's his point of origin for these topics is a search for Bigfoot. And he wrote two really good books about it. He's now come full circle back to Bigfoot, but it's not just a, a mystery ape running around in the forest. It's the UFO Bigfoot connection. And as you and I have talked about it many times, nobody's, no one's happy about that. UFO people don't want to hear that Bigfoot was standing by a flying saucer and it drives the Bigfoot people crazy. Um, but I mean, that's changing over time.

• 37:42George Knapp?

  And I know that some of the people that, uh, Dave interviewed for this film, um, are people we know really well, who do believe there is a connection. Uh, we don't exactly understand what it is or why, but I, I've seen, uh, parts of that film and the trailers for it. It looks really good and it's coming out right, I think in the first week of December, it's going to be released and it's going to be excellent.

• 38:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, the inconvenient yet unescapable experience that I've had, and I know you've had it too, is that you get these really credible people who are intelligence agents, or they work in military standing, or they're just professionals in life, and they tell you about a sighting they had. And you can tell that they're holding something back. And man, I'd say more times at a knot, when you get a really good, close encounter, there are always some interaction with beings, but they're so weird. They're so weird, they feel foolish talking about them. I'll give you one example. I never talked about this, I recorded it, this was probably five, six years ago. It was a female, worked in the medical industry. Obviously, she doesn't want to be seen as being loose in any way in her mind.

• 38:49Jeremy Corbell?

  So she's just wanted to get it off her chest. She was in England, and she told me about this encounter she had that really transformed her life. And she's not telling me part of it, and I can tell. I said, "So what are you leaving out? What is the question I didn't ask?" And she goes, "Well, it's not something I want to talk about, but you didn't ask if there are occupants." I go, "Where are their occupants?" And she goes on to describe this scene where the craft was there. And she said it was like as if somebody pushed fast forward on a VHS tape, where these little tiny, you know, kind of three foot, four foot tall beings, were zipping around, zipping around, doing stuff at a speed that would not make sense. And it was almost distorted to her vision.

• 39:28Jeremy Corbell?

  Man, how many times have I heard that from people that have talked about really powerful, close encounters? And also, you like, the way you rationalize it. When she first was talking to me, she's like, "Look, I thought somebody threw a silver frisbee in my backyard, and it got stuck on a line or something." You know, they're trying to rationalize these things, which is normal. So yeah, man, it is odd to me that this movie, you know, about the Bigfoot, might have UFO connections or vice versa. But it's something you and I have heard so much, it's hard to deny that as a reporter.

• 40:05George Knapp?

  Skinwalker, Skinwalker Ranch. I mean, it's a great example. Uh, you know, the NIDS, Bigelow organization, NIDS that went to the ranch, bought the property, set up camp there, spent years on the ranch to study UFOs because it was a UFO hotspot. Encountered all kinds of weird stuff that didn't seem to connect. Creatures, Bigfoot type creatures, uh, other unknown animals. I mean, I know all the fun that debunkers have had with this. Oh gosh, the, these, these people are just making up stuff to cash in on it, uh, about Bigfoot and dino beavers and, uh, you know, other kinds of creatures that don't exist. How do you feel those guys felt when they saw these

• 40:47George Knapp?

  things? They're there to investigate UFOs, which is already shaky, shaky topic in the eyes of, of the scientific community. And they start seeing these creatures that seemingly do not exist. They're not happy about that. They don't want to tell anybody. What does it do to their credibility? PhD scientists, high ranking intelligence officials, Jim Lekatsky, Jay Stratton, people like those who, who have stellar reputations see this stuff and don't know how to handle it. They didn't know how people will react. They know how easy it is to debunk and make fun of werewolves, you know?

• 41:21Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. You'd make something up. If you're making something, you make something up that is more palatable and, and makes you, you know, appear to be more credible. You wouldn't make something up that is just like so weird. You don't even know what to say. And, and you have also interviewed people. I, I've seen all these new reports, but I look back at your old reporting and you have interviewed people in sensitive facilities surrounding UAP, uh, you know, happenings that have seen some of these shadow people and stuff like that. Can you tell me, cause that's coming back up in social media, but you covered this a long time ago. Tell me what you found back in the day.

• 41:57George Knapp?

  Well, specifically shadow type people at the ranch, for example, the, the security guys.

• 42:02Jeremy Corbell?

  And Area 52, you didn't you do a report?

• 42:04George Knapp?

  Yeah, I know Ross Coltard did a recent interview about these guys who are stationed at Area 2.

• 42:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 42:10George Knapp?

  Which is at Nellis. It's where the nuclear weapons used to be stored. There's a storage facility, big. And they'd have security, strict, very serious security measures. And the guys there would not only see UFOs on occasion, but creatures, including these shadow beings, big, tall, humanoid shaped, but like they're made out of dark clouds or something like that. Those same kind of things were seen at the ranch multiple times. I recall the story about one of the security officers, he's on his computer, talking to his wife. And she can watch him and he's told her he's there alone. And in fact, something walks behind him. He does, she goes, who's there? Who's that? He goes, there's nobody here. It's this big, tall shadow thing, which

• 42:52George Knapp?

  you experienced to a degree during one of the trips to the ranch, you and Robbie Williams.

• 42:57Jeremy Corbell?

  Let's say, well, let's be clear, I didn't experience it. It was reported to me that this thing was behind me. I didn't see anything.

• 43:04George Knapp?

  Yeah, so we don't know how this works. You know, Dr. Jim Lekaski, who created and, and managed the OSAP program, which was the big program. It was a whopper, got $22 million secured funding from Harry Reid and a couple of other members of the Senate.

• 43:22George Knapp?

  He explained it to me, look, we, we were there to study UFOs. That was the primary objective. But we followed the evidence wherever it led. And I think the DIA, his employer, was curious whether someone had developed technology to put these things in our head. Not that it's a byproduct of the UFO, but that there is tech that can make us think we see something ferocious and scary, like a, a werewolf or a dino beaver. And that was worth investing in. It was one of the reasons that he got approval from higher ups to start that program. By the way, Jim has a new book out, a new book. See if I have that one. Have you got a copy there, Jeremy?

• 44:00Jeremy Corbell?

  I do, not on my desk here. I got the tie, but no book.

• 44:03George Knapp?

  We'll have to plug it again. We'll have to talk to Jim.

• 44:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 44:09Jeremy Corbell?

  We got to get him because you know, the, the big thing, if I'm kind of reading the tea li- tea leaves of um, the UFO culture right now, you know, people just want to know, there's been every indication, is there a legacy UFO program? A program to study and capture reverse engineer technology of unknown origin, um, of NHI origin, as has been testified to under oath in Congress. Is this true? Well, I'm convinced and the answer is yes, and logically yes. Think about what Dr. Lukatsky testified to in his books, but also here on Weaponized. It would be negligence if we didn't study this. We did study it. We know that he had a, a program through the DIA, but do we have hardware?

• 44:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, he admitted to it. He admitted to it on this show. That's the biggest disclosure that I have heard from, from a government official saying that we, the United States government, has a craft of unknown origin, technology of unknown origin, NHI, that we breached the hull. So we got to get him back on because for me, that is one of the most significant testimonies in the history of finding out if we have these legacy UFO programs. He's straight admitting it and I want to push him again on it. I know you do too.

• 45:21George Knapp?

  Oh, you know, he loves giving interviews. He's out there giving interviews all the time. He's on camera everywhere. I'm being facetious, of course. He doesn't like to do interviews, but I think he's going to come on with us and I might get him for KLAS too. Before we leave, I wanted to, we're on the topic of Bigfoot and date politis in his film. There's another Bigfoot development here in Las Vegas. And it's a, a guy I've known for a long time. He was a chief photographer at KLAS years ago. He's also a very talented sculptor. His name is Jeff Taylor. And he and a partner have created a new consumer product related to Bigfoot. It's called Big Shadow Bourbon. Now, I'm not a bourbon drinker. I know people will have a hard time believing that, but I don't drink whiskey, hard liquor.

• 46:04George Knapp?

  I don't, but I was very interested in getting this because Jeff crafted his own version of Bigfoot. He's done these things before Mighty Joe Young, King Kong. This one is pretty special though. And if you buy a particular version of his booze, Big Shadow Bourbon, this comes with it. You put the, the bottle in there. You're covered up with Bigfoot and it's, it's awesome.

• 46:30Jeremy Corbell?

  That's, that's going to be the, the social media meme is George Knapp with his Bigfoot alcohol holder. But that's your buddy, um, who so shout out, what's your buddy's name? What's his company?

• 46:41George Knapp?

  Jeff Taylor.

• 46:43Jeremy Corbell?

  Jeff Taylor.

• 46:44George Knapp?

  Very talented guy. We're going to probably put a story together about the process of how he created the, the sculptures and what they hope to do with it. It's just a fun story. And again, I am not grifting. I don't own a piece of the company. I don't even drink bourbon. Uh, but I think people will be interested in, and then Bigfoot people will be interested in that too.

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• 47:28George Knapp?

  I'm sorry to say that we missed a really big event, by the way, Jeremy, as we're leaving this program. It was a really big event. I saw it on Susan Gerbick's, um, Twitter account a little bit ago.

• 47:40George Knapp?

  It was, it was, we had the most amazing UFO mothership show for our West Virginia skeptic camp. Uh, they had this skeptics gathering in West Virginia and I was just thinking to myself, A, how were we not invited? And B, that must've been one hellacious shinday. All those skeptics? What fun people they must be. Rootin', tootin', wild people. Uh, man, what a party. And I'm so sorry we missed that.

• 48:08Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh man, I love, uh, the open-minded people are way more fun to party with. But hey, where is our invite? I would bring a lot of life to that party. I'm just saying, I'd like to be invited next time. Look, um, I think George, in conclusion, what, what we can all agree on, we talked a little bit here about, so disclosure is not dead. Like that's a silly, a completely silly statement. That's not the entire statement that was made, but just in general, I, I, you know, I want to say that the, you know, what we can all agree on is that, you know, the battle of this of learning more is going to be, you know, one, not through apathy and retreat. It's, it's going to be, you know, won by persistence and attrition. And you know, it has been acknowledged that the UAP phenomenon is real. A lot of people didn't

• 48:48Jeremy Corbell?

  need that. It's puzzling, but it's, but it's important. And I, I believe that it's going to take individuals and groups of people to all kind of go their own way to try to fight for more information. I, maybe I'm biased, being a journalist with you, I think that we're going to learn the majority from people, actual people that just come forward to us. I think science will play a role in it as well, but I think whistleblowers, having the constitution and the, and the motive to come forward and go as far as they can without putting themselves in jeopardy or hurting national security. I believe that is how we're going to make progress on that. And you know, we'll find out, truth will be told in 20 years from

• 49:31Jeremy Corbell?

  now, not 20 days. Um, but yeah, that's my prediction as well as that it's just a comment.

• 49:37George Knapp?

  The I'm, I'm there with you. You know, I am pessimistic about the idea of a formal disclosure announcement. Here's all the proof and you can kick the tires on the flying saucers and sorry for lying. I, I'm, I don't think that kind of event will ever happen, but it is worth plugging away and trying to make it happen and learning what we can. And it, it's got to be more than a couple of reporters, uh, you know, and, uh, you need organizations like Saul, scientific organizations, people like Dr. Abby Loeb, people like Carl Nell. And again, I'm, I'm not, uh, disrespecting him at all. I'm glad he said what he said. I don't agree with it, but hey, man, if you're in, into this and you want to see a progress, join the fight.

• 50:19Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. And

• 50:20George Knapp?

  Just an interview here or there, but get involved. You clearly know a heck of a lot more than you've said publicly. Let's hear it. Where is this stuff? Come on Weaponized. You have an open invitation.

• 50:30Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I've talked to him about it. I've talked about, I would love to look and, and disagreement is good, but the idea is to put down your cards on each side and really talk it through. So I think that's what we got to do. I'll, I'll shout out to him again. He is a friend and I do appreciate, um, his, his mind on this. And we forgot one movie, which is the Lazar movie. I know there's a new documentary coming out and we're, we're not involved with it, but you know, Bob is a friend after all these years of, of, you know, seeing what's happened to him and going through it all. So I, I wish it well. Can't wait to see what they do. You know, anything Bob Lazar is really fun to watch. So it's going to be great. Um, you know, hopefully we learn some, some new information. So I, there's a lot of fun things coming, man.

• 51:09George Knapp?

  Yeah. Um, well, I think we've, we've covered the The general cornucopia of UFO related news for the time being. Got some good stuff coming.

• 51:19Jeremy Corbell?

  Next week.

• 51:21George Knapp?

  And maybe some images down the road, you know?

• 51:24Jeremy Corbell?

  I hope so, man. I hope we keep.

• 51:26George Knapp?

  Maybe we'll get leaked something, you know?

• 51:28Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I'm not asking for it, but you know, if we're consistent in our reporting, I would suspect it's going to be interesting.

• 51:35George Knapp?

  Yeah. All right. Talk to you soon.

• 51:36Jeremy Corbell?

  Thanks, man.