Kevin Bacon on Overcoming Self-Sabotage, Manifesting His Dreams, and the Key to His 35 Year Marriage

This episode we're joined by the legendary actor and cultural icon, Kevin Bacon. Kevin shares his remarkable journey through the world of Hollywood, offering profound insights into building meaningful relationships in an industry known for its competitiveness. Drawing inspiration from the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" concept, he reveals his strategies for creating genuine and lasting connections in a web of connections that link every actor to him in six steps or less. In this episode you will learn,How Kevin Bacon approaches building meaningful relationships in a competitive industry where any actor can be connected to him in six degrees or less. Kevin Bacon's journey of building an extensive network in Hollywood, including his initial steps in connecting with others and his strategies for building meaningful connections. Specific practices and habits Kevin Bacon has adopted in his daily life to continuously expand his network and enhance his interpersonal skills, making him undeniably magnetic. How Kevin Bacon has used his ability to connect with people to give back and be of service to others, and the legacy he has created through these connections. Kevin Bacon's perspective on self-love and where he lands on a scale of 1-10, as well as a specific experience where he consciously employed charisma to establish a valuable connection. Subscribe to his podcast – Six Degrees with Kevin BaconFor more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1505For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960Want more episodes with Hollywood's Greatest? Matt Damon – https://link.chtbl.com/1248-podMatthew McConaughey – https://link.chtbl.com/1422-podTerry Crews – https://link.chtbl.com/1258-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:01Lewis Howes?

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• 1:10Speaker 01

  When you're an actor and you've been out of work and you are living paycheck to paycheck as we do, and you're self-employed, you've seen the bank accounts go from, you know, zero and back down to zero and up and down. I think you always kind of feel like it's about to end. There's that, and then there's also trying to get better and trying to get another part that's even more challenging.

• 1:41Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 2:04Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. I am very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring, the iconic, the legendary Kevin Bacon in the house. Good to see you, sir, and thank you so much for being here.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Thanks so much for having me.

• 2:16Lewis Howes?

  I live in Los Angeles and I've been here for about 10 years. And I remember when the first year I moved here, it's been 12 years now. The first year I moved here, I saw you. I saw you, we were eating at some restaurant in, I can't remember, West Hollywood somewhere. And I remember seeing you and I remember thinking, this is one of the most connected men in the industry, in this city, and probably in this world.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  I was probably connected to my pasta at that moment.

• 2:43Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. You were connected. I can't remember, you were with someone, having a meeting or something and, you know, no one interrupted you, which was nice to see. But I remember saying, this guy has done a lot of amazing things as a musician, as an actor, as an artist, as a creative human being. But beyond that, you've really built incredible relationships with people. And for over three decades, you've been extremely successful because, in my opinion, not only that you have this incredible talent and gift as an artist, but because you treat people well, people speak highly of you, you connect people, you're of service to people. And that's one of the things that I really respect and appreciate about you. Obviously, I don't know you, but that's your reputation of being a good, kind human being,

• 3:28Lewis Howes?

  while also being an iconic superstar, I think is really hard to find. And so I'm just grateful that you have led that way and led that path. And I'm curious, did you always think about building relationships and connecting early on, before you got into your career? Or was it more like, let me drive my talent, become the best musician I can be, become the best artist I can be, and then realize that relationships and networking and actually being kind and generous to others was going to help me in my career?

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Well, I guess I would say that it's a little bit of a combination, although...

• 4:10Speaker 01

  The being kind part is not something that I actively think about or pursue. You know, my mother was a very kind person and I think my father was also, while he was an intensely self-involved person, and I got that from him. He also, you know, was fundamentally a kind person and was kind and respectful to the people that he would meet. So it's not even something that I go, I wake up every day and go, hey, you know, let's try to be compassionate.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  And, you know, understanding of what other people's positions may be. It's not something that I think about, it's just something that was kind of inherently there from my parents. And, you know, that being said, listen, you know, I have moods, I reach my limits, I've blown people off. You know, in another situation, you know, someone will say, come up to me and say, you know, I remember once, you know, in an elevator and, you know, you were really nice to me. And, you know, I think to myself, well, I'm so glad that they remember that, but I'm sure there's a lot of people that often remember, you know, you were a real. I mean, you know, or people have a different perception of that or whatever.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  You know, somebody once said, this is a kind of a corny showbiz thing, but if you are famous and you run into somebody, you know, you won't remember this, you'll remember this, this interaction for 10 seconds and those people remember for the rest of their lives, which I find happens a lot. A lot of people come up to me and say, you know, we were once, whatever, in a steam room together or something, you know. Sometimes, by the way, these are completely hypocritical stories. There's some guy that had a story about me, like getting mad at him because I was having a haircut and he looked at me the wrong way. I mean, some kind of crazy stuff I don't even understand.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  The drive really was there from a very, very young age.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  I, I'm the youngest of six and I was really lucky. I was actually literally just talking to my wife about this today. I was the youngest of six and there was a big age gap between my, my closest sister and me, eight years. So I'm, you know, kind of a mistake in it, you know, a family of five, you don't wait eight years and then have another one. I mean, you'd have to have your mind.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  And so I had this amazing audience and I had a group of

• 6:55Lewis Howes?

  With your siblings, you mean?

• 6:56Speaker 01

  My siblings, yeah.

• 6:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and, and, you know, nature or nurture, I remember from my earliest days that when I walked into a room, I wanted people to look at me and I wanted to entertain them. I wanted to either make them laugh or make them listen to me or put on some kind of a show for everybody that I would in- interact with, starting with my, my siblings. But not only that, they were incredibly supportive of whatever I would do. They were like, that's so funny, that's so great. Yay, Kev, yay, Kev, yay, Kev. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like I had, I had, right away, I had an audience that would really enjoy, enjoyed what I was doing and parents that were supportive of what I would do.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  So a lot of people, a lot of artists that reach a certain level of success, you often, often hear about how

• 7:51Speaker 01

  they rose out of, their, their, their artistic creation and expression came out of pain and tragedy. And, you know, I'm not saying that I didn't have painful things. I do, and, and, and have had, you know, tragedies and, and loss and all that stuff. But I also think that it's possible to, that in, in my situation, a lot of where, where, what I got to was because I had a ton of support for the thing that I was doing and wanted to do. And

• 8:28Speaker 01

  I think, you know, that's something that I really feel a tremendous amount of gratitude for, but hand in hand with that was for sure a drive, a strong drive to become successful. Actors don't like to admit this, I wanted to be rich, famous, get girls, have a big house, I wanted my face on magazines, on billboards, I wanted all that stuff. It was, it wasn't until I started studying and understood that there was a craft to this thing, that I figured out that it was something that I had to work hard at being

• 9:09Speaker 01

  good at, but the thing that drove me to it was just, you know, treasure.

• 9:14Lewis Howes?

  The external, the fame, the success, the acknowledgement, the money, the opportunities that come from it.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  All of it.

• 9:22Lewis Howes?

  Were you, were you more driven to be an artist then, early on, and to master your craft and inspire or entertain people like your, you know, your siblings or, you know, the local school or whatever it might be that you're performing at? Or were you more like drawn to the billboards and the magazines and the fame and you said, oh, this could be the path to getting there?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  I think I was more drawn to the, to the magazines, the billboards and the fame. I didn't think so much about the past, but the artistry was when I made the decision to become an actor and I walked into an acting class and, or I picked up a guitar and I went, both of those things are hard, right? It's not, it's, it's not, it, you know, yeah, I guess there's people who are quote unquote naturals, but all of this stuff takes work, you gotta work at it, and I knew that right

• 10:23Speaker 01

  away and I was blessed with a very strong work ethic. I was never looking to cut corners, I was never, I wanted all this big stuff, but I was never looking for the easy road in. I always have thought. You gotta put it, this is another thing I got from my parents. I should, you know, they would love this podcast if they were alive, they would love hearing this.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  They, both of them were like, go through the steps, go through the steps, whatever it is, you know what I mean? If you, if you get a, you know, a toy that you have to build, you know, a model airplane. You just, don't just try to put it together because you, you want to look at the picture and make it look like that. Go through the steps and learn how to do it the right way. And I realized when I walked into an acting class that, well, two things. One was that this was something that I was meant to do and something that I felt even before I knew even what the word therapy was. I found it very therapeutic.

• 11:34Lewis Howes?

  One of the things I was, you know, hearing you say just a moment ago is about how if your parents are around, they would love this, this episode, this podcast, this interview. And I'm, I'm hearing kind of the lessons that you've picked up from them and from your family. I'm curious, what's the biggest lesson from both mom and dad that still stick with you today? And that made a massive impact on you growing up?

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think we kind of touched on it before, but I would say that my mother really taught me lessons about being a, at least attempting to be a good person and compassionate and to,

• 12:14Speaker 01

  you know, live your life and think about people that, you know, are not as fortunate as you are. Or try to understand someone's point of view, not judge people by the way that they look or the color of their skin or what they're, you know, the way they talk or, or where they're from or whatever these, you know, things are. She was, she was very much like that. My mother was an interesting character because she was raised as a Park Avenue socialite.

• 12:51Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Her family was wealthy. By the time I was born, all of it was gone.

• 13:01Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and, and I think that she also.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Somehow felt a sense of, I think, shame about the, we, nobody really used the word privilege, but the privilege that she had come from. So by the time she met my father, she was working with the poor, with poor people in Flint, Michigan, and really devoted her life both to early childhood education, but also to the poor and people in the prison system. For instance, she went into the Philadelphia prison system and built a playroom

• 13:54Speaker 01

  that could be utilized by the children and the prisoners on a, on a visiting day when the kids would come, there would be stuff for them, for the prisoners to interact with their, with their, with their children, which is kind of like a crazy idea, but they had all kinds of games and things that they could be, be doing together. She started nursery schools and housing projects and, and all that kind of stuff. And she really completely pushed back any kind of consumer. She, she, she did, she had, she went the opposite direction of anybody that was in pursuit of wealth or nice clothing or private schools

• 14:36Speaker 01

  or, or good food or restaurants. She just, it horrified her, all of that.

• 14:42Lewis Howes?

  She went the opposite of that.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  She went the opposite of that.

• 14:45Lewis Howes?

  But that's what you wanted to go towards, right?

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Exactly. No, exactly. That's exactly true. That's exactly true.

• 14:50Lewis Howes?

  So when you were, when you were asking, saying, hey, I want to be rich and famous and, you know, on magazines and billboards and awards, was she saying, hey, that's not the way? Or was she?

• 14:59Speaker 01

  I would never tell her that. I would never have told her that. I'd never, I, that's something that I never would have even begun to mention to her. But I can tell you that she also had very, very strong.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  activist kind of political ideas and she was very anti-war and very um into the civil rights movement used to take me to marches on washington as a little boy and marches against the vietnam war and in about probably nineteen seventy four or so uh we were just starting to kind of I guess get out of cambodia I don't remember how long we were stayed in cambodia but the vietnam war was essentially but I think we were still bombing cambodia and um I got an

• 15:49Speaker 01

  offer as a as about a fourteen or fifteen year old kid to do a uh commercial for uh the ROTC or to do a recruitment uh a military recruitment commercial about a kid doesn't know what he wants to do with his life it was just going to be used in in philadelphia where where I grew up and it was maybe like I don't know a couple hundred bucks or something like that for the day so this is more money than I ever dreamed of as a fourteen year old yeah yeah I was like this is amazing I'm doing it I told my mother she didn't speak to me for a

• 16:31Speaker 01

  week she thought that I had uh uh crossed a moral uh boundary from which I would never return because I was supporting the industrial military complex and I was profiting profiting from it and as a fourteen year old kid you know it it was she was very angry with me she really was and it was it's it's interesting but it's also interesting in that I believe uh there's a whole other discussion but I believe that children and certainly boys

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Have to have a moment where they break away from their mother. You know what I mean? I think it's kind of essential that it happens in some way at some point. Um, and, uh, and that was the moment for me. Um. Wow. My father, on the other hand, was not, uh, a wealthy person like my mother, but he was very, very drawn not to fortune because they almost both kind of looked down on the pursuit of money as being, uh, not really worthy. But he was very into, um,

• 17:56Speaker 01

  being famous and or let's put it this way, he, he,

• 18:02Speaker 01

  he got a lot, he was a, he was kind of a big deal in Philadelphia because he, he was the, the, uh, the chairman of the, of the Philadelphia Planning Commission. So as, and, and a pretty well-known city planner. So as a result, he was often, you know, in the papers when they decided to, whatever, you know, revitalize a neighborhood or move an express wire, you know, whatever happened to be in terms of city planning. And he was, I could tell right from the, from the beginning that he was totally into his own press, you know what I mean? And his own like, um, uh, notoriety.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  And people would stop him on the streets and, and say, Ed, Ed, you know, either I hate what you're doing or I like what you're doing or, you know, whatever it was. But he was kind of like a, you know, a little bit of a celebrity in, in a, in, in that pond of, you know, Philadelphia.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  And so from him, I think I got that drive to be well known. And I definitely think I wanted to be more well known than him.

• 19:14Lewis Howes?

  Well, you made that happen. That's for sure.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  I did.

• 19:18Lewis Howes?

  When was the, I wanted to make sure I, I go back to what we talked about just before this. When was the moment for you when things started to transition from wanting to be well known and modeling kind of what you saw from your father? Uh, to fame and riches and, and success into, let me actually just focus on also mastering the craft, the artistry that you have done so beautifully over the last three plus decades. What, how old were you? What was that moment like?

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I was living in Philadelphia and I was in high school. And I wanted to, um, study acting. So I started to find theaters where, uh, I could take acting classes. Oftentimes in, in situations where people were a lot older than me, they weren't even really like kid classes. They were like, you know, I was apprenticing at this theater and they were also, you know, teaching acting to, uh, people in their twenties and thirties, you know? And, um, so I would take acting, I would take, uh, scene study and, and all of a sudden I went, okay, this is really about getting, um, better at the things that I'm doing.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  And, and also the content that I started to, uh, uh, absorb entertainment wise, moved from The Monkees and, you know, uh, I Dream of Genie, you know, to, um, Brando and Montgomery Clift. And then a little bit later on, the films of Scorsese and Dustin Hoffman. I remember seeing a double feature when I was, when I was young, that was like a theater and a dollar theater in my neighborhood where they would do second runs and it was a double feature, or maybe they were spaced out over a week, but it was Midnight Cowboy and, um, and The Graduate,

• 21:17Speaker 01

  both of which starred Dustin Hoffman. And I looked at these two performances and when I, I saw Midnight Cowboy first and I thought to myself, I looked at him and John Voight. And I thought, whoa.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Where'd they get the homeless guy to be in the movie? And where'd they get the cowboy to be in the movie? I I didn't understand that that and then when I saw The Graduate, I thought, oh, my God. That's the same guy playing like a preppy kid. And I thought, wow, OK, this is what the art is about. And that's the thing that I want. So by the time I moved to New York when I was seventeen. By the time I moved to New York, it was Mean Streets. It was Sidney Lumet. It was, you know, De Niro and and Al Pacino and Meryl Streep and John Casals and and and Voight and Nicholson. You know what I mean?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  All all the seventies. Edgy movies and edgy, what were kind of thought of in some ways as like the New York actors. These are the people that I aspire to. And right away, I was in acting school in in New York. And I realized that.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  You know, this was something that was that you could get really good at if you worked really hard.

• 22:44Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, interesting.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  And theater too, theater, because, you know, I didn't. When I was younger, I didn't really think that much about theater. I mean, I I was like, well, it's just a way to get on TV or something like that, you know, but but all of a sudden I was like, OK, I want movies and I want theater. I don't even want TV. I want nothing to do with TV. This is like the seventies. It was a different TV was different.

• 23:07Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  I just want movies and I want theater.

• 23:10Lewis Howes?

  What was it as competitive then? As it is now that it seems like more and more people are getting into entertainment, acting, TV, movies. There's so many different mediums and platforms to to share your art now. Or was it less competitive back then?

• 23:27Speaker 01

  I don't know. Uh, I don't know, more or less. It seemed competitive to me. I mean, I, I, I, I feel like I would go to open calls, you know, you, um, I was able to get into the, uh, the Stage Actors Union Equity when I was pretty young. I, and you could go down to the Equity Office and they would have, um, uh, you know, a bulletin board that would have open calls or you could get, uh, there were two newspapers. One was called Backstage and one was called, I can't remember what the other one was.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  And, and you, you look in the back and there would be these open calls and, and, you know, I go to it and they say, we want a guy, you know, in his teens. And there'd be, you know, whatever lines around the block. Um, so yeah, it definitely, it felt competitive and I don't know, more or less, I'm, I'm not sure.

• 24:27Lewis Howes?

  Sure. When was the moment where you felt like, oh, this thing that I've wanted for a long time, this fame, this recognition, this, you know, everyone aware of who I am, the success, the money. When did that actually hit you where you said, oh, it's happening?

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Uh, it hasn't hit me yet.

• 24:45Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 24:47Speaker 01

  No, you know, I don't ever think I'm there, you know?

• 24:50Lewis Howes?

  Come on, really?

• 24:52Speaker 01

  No, I really, I'm, I'm, and I'm not just, you know, uh, being silly. I just, there's always something else to kind of aspire to. There's places that I want to go. I mean, I'm gonna have to start to, uh, at some point, accept, um, that I'm, you know, the like, I'm good with what I've done. I mean, it's, I kind of go back and forth on it, you know, but, but I think that when you, when you're an actor and you've been out of work and you are, um, living paycheck to paycheck as we, we do and.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  You know, you're um self-employed, you've seen the bank accounts go from, you know, zero and back down to zero and up and down. I think you always kind of feel like it's it's about to end and that there's that. And then there's also, you know, trying to get better and trying to get another part that's even more challenging.

• 26:04Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  And um, uh, you know, there's, you know, I mean, I guess, you know, that being said, I think that I'm at a point now where I've I've hung in there long enough.

• 26:20Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  That people are going to cut me a little bit of a break and they'll probably just keep me around just because I've hung in there so long.

• 26:29Lewis Howes?

  Well, they're not going to keep you around because you've hung in. They're going to keep you around because you're talented and you're good to people and you're hardworking and you show out you're a professional.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  I I know, I do think that there is, there is something about longevity though. I mean, people say, what's the secret to longevity? And I say, that is the secret. If you, because at some point it gets to that thing where you do something that somebody likes and then they kind of go, you know, I always liked them or even though up until that point, they never did, you know what I mean? It's kind of, but I I, yeah.

• 26:58Lewis Howes?

  So you never felt there was a moment when you were on billboards and a cover of magazines is?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I think there's moments of um excitement. I think that uh probably when I was younger, I didn't have the ability to um uh enjoy them or to even flag them or to even sort of embrace them because a a couple of things about that. One is that I really don't have a rear view mirror. I'm like always with my pedal to the metal, looking down the road at what the next thing is going to be.

• 27:38Lewis Howes?

  If you could go back to, you know, twenty-three, twenty-four, and if you could give yourself a piece of advice about what's about to happen and how to manage the success, the fame, the self-sabotage that you started to do afterwards and everything in between, what would you say to your younger self?

• 27:56Speaker 01

  I think I would have said, um, e- embrace it as much as you possibly can because the thing that you learn after being in my business for a long time is that.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  If you're associated with things that make money, then you get more opportunities. It's kind of a, it's, I mean, it's kind of an obvious notion. But I was less interested in being associated with something that made money as I was into, to be associated with something that people considered as artistic excellence. And I think that if you at least for a while embrace the idea of something that makes money, that then within that framework, you will get more and more opportunities to show this artistic excellence.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  For a lot of years, I think I kind of self sabotaged and squandered them. I mean, the choices that I made were not great and the, and the movies started bombing like left and right and center, just one after another, after another, after another. And so I, I started to feel myself, you know, kind of slipping away both from the financial side of it, but also from the artistic, artistic side.

• 29:15Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Um, I also think if I could have given myself a piece of advice, and this is about a lot of stuff, it would be to take advice because honestly, I was a kid even before I started, who just thought he knew that, knew everything, you know what I mean? It's like I, I didn't want advice. I didn't want, I didn't want advice from people that knew a lot more about this business or even about life than I did. I just was somebody that thought they knew everything and uh, I didn't, you know? So if there had been somebody at that point in my life saying,

• 30:00Speaker 01

  You know, schmuck, don't do this, do this. This is the, this is, this is gonna be a good one. You know what I mean? And if I had put myself in the hands of someone that was you know, willing and able to do that, but I really was like, people got the, got the impression very much I'm talking about. You know, first off, I didn't have a manager for a really long time, but

• 30:23Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Talking about agents and, and, and lawyers, you know, I just was like, no, no, no, I got this. You, you, you know what I mean? Don't tell me, um, um, you know, so I think that, uh, you know, I mean, I probably could have used some help.

• 30:38Lewis Howes?

  Some more coaching advice and wisdom. Why, why do you think you, I mean, you mentioned that you were just making kind of poor choices that was, you know, I think you said in your work was like a bomb or flop. It was going downhill in some of these movies. Did you know, like in your mind, oh, this is gonna be a hit? Or did you feel like, oh, I'm just wanna go against what everyone's telling me to do because they don't know. So I'm gonna go after my own, you know, thing and I think this is cool or I think it's artistic.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Yeah, I think all those things. I think all those things. I, um,

• 31:13Speaker 01

  and also,

• 31:15Speaker 01

  you know, there's a lot of decisions that go into making a movie and some people are probably, first off, choosy or choosier, if you look at the amount of movies I've made, you know, you probably could never accuse me of being choosy. Um, and I think that, uh, um, some people have the ability to kind of, um, create a certain mystery around themselves and their career and their choices, which I was never really able to do. And I also think that, you know, my

• 31:56Speaker 01

  I would see things that I thought were interesting, but I really didn't. And to this day, probably don't have a real eye on the commercial. And some people have a real sense of that and also a real sense of our, our industry, you know, for I, I'm much more industry savvy or, and I've taught myself like everything else, it takes, takes the work, but I've taught myself and started to read and, and think about, you know, the, the entertainment industry as something that is my bread and butter and something that I do, but, but when I was younger for, for many years, I mean, probably way into my

• 32:38Speaker 01

  forties, you know, I was like, I'm not a, I'm not a businessman. That's not what I do, you know, I'm not, I'm not a brand. But right. This is the word we use now all the time. Um, I, I'm not a, uh, I don't, I'm not a guy in a, in a back room smoking a cigar, making a deal. I'm, I'm an artist, you know, I, I don't, I don't, I can't think about, I don't want to think about these things. I want to just do my work. I don't want to be associated with a, a product or a, you know, try to, you know, sell something I would back in, back in the days when I have to remember back in the days when I started.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  If you were a, a movie actor, you would never do a commercial, never, never, never, never, never. You would do a commercial only in Japan. Or

• 33:27Lewis Howes?

  Where no one saw it here.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  In Europe and, and it had to be, and you could, and back in those days, if it really was there, you really wouldn't see it. You wouldn't see it because there was no, you know, YouTube, there was no internet. There was no, there was, we really wouldn't see it, you know, there was, and you would put that in your, in your contract and you know, now whatever, that's completely turned on its, on its end.

• 33:50Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  So the, I was, um, I didn't think that way. And, you know, again, I mean, I, I think that if there had been somebody, you know, in my life that I, you know, really, uh, you know, trusted, then, you know, I.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  It probably would have helped.

• 34:09Lewis Howes?

  Right. Wow. Um, I'm curious about the, the whole fame and success stuff because I'm, I'm going to butcher this quote, but I, I remember hearing Jim Carrey talk about something like he wishes everyone becomes rich and famous and realizes it's not the key to happiness. I'm paraphrasing this. I'm not sure if you've heard this quote from him.

• 34:32Lewis Howes?

  What do, what do you, what do people need to know if they're chasing a goal or dream that is about money, fame, success? What do they really need to know about how to navigate still feeling happy, fulfilled, loved? And not just, oh, I'm successful and famous, but I'm also fulfilled.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  What I would say about, well, first off, I think that fame and celebrity and wealth are kind of two different things. Because there's a lot of people that have a lot of money that would never, somebody would never ask for a picture in a restaurant.

• 35:11Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Right? Um, so

• 35:17Speaker 01

  does that money make them happy? No, I mean, obviously not. People are unhappy all the time, you know? Well, marriages don't work, whatever, the addiction or, or personal misery. Um, yeah, I, I don't think it hurts necessarily. I mean, I know people who have said to me, they've, they've, they've been at some point in their life where they've had some kind of windfall and they, they've said, yeah, I'm genuinely happier because I got some money in the bank. And listen, I think it's important, the pursuit of, uh,

• 35:57Speaker 01

  wanting to provide or to, um, feel comfortable is not something to be ashamed of. That, you know, that's, that was really part of, part, that was the, that was the biggest thing that I, I think I broke away from when it came to my parents.

• 36:15Lewis Howes?

  Right. Cause your mom had shame around that.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Both, well, both of them, I think in their own ways did, they really did. Uh, but.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I don't think that money is the key to happiness. I think that it is a um that you have to find something outside of your money to um to, you know, to to enjoy uh time, whatever that is, time with your family, obviously, is the one that I like, or with animals, or with or with nature, or with friends, with good friends, you know, with with with with friends that are friends, uh, whether the money is there or not, you know what I mean? Now, when it comes to fame,

• 37:07Speaker 01

  nobody can really understand it until you've actually had it.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  And I think there's two kinds of actors, actors who want to be famous and liars. You become an actor because you want to be famous. You you want people to look at you. You want to perform to people. Otherwise, you would do something where you would just stay in your room. We got no attention. Yeah, we didn't get attention. We got no attention, right? Now, that being said, there's a lot of people that

• 37:42Speaker 01

  work hard, get there, and then go, whoa, I don't like this at all, you know what I mean? What I will say about it is the thing about fame is that, is it weird? Yeah, it's weird. I mean, it's every time

• 38:00Speaker 01

  you're gonna step outside, if you're not in your room, you will be looked at related to, you know, judged, um.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Uh, as something of a novelty of a, of a, you know, it's, it's almost like a being like a, like a freakish nature, you know, where, uh, but the thing I will say about it is that it's ninety nine percent good. Like all day long, you talk about being loved and I know that it's not true love.

• 38:40Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  But all day, all day long, people say, Kev, oh, I love you. It happened, you know, twenty minutes ago, we were on the road and someone's, you know, I stopped at a rest stop and, and, you know, the one, this woman goes, oh, I'm sorry, but I, I just, I just love you. Now, when you think about that, if that happens to you a lot in the course of your day, it's, it's a good feeling.

• 39:03Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  People are nice, people are nice to you for reasons that you don't deserve, you know? I mean, it's just, it so to complain, I would never complain too much about being famous. Number one, because I have no one to blame but myself.

• 39:24Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  I busted my, my whole life so that I could be famous. And number two, because it's mostly good.

• 39:33Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Free, people give you free all the time.

• 39:36Lewis Howes?

  They, they give you hugs, they give you high fives, they say, I love you.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 39:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. It's probably, it's probably ninety five, ninety nine percent amazing and then one percent inconvenient at certain times is what it sounds like for you at least. What is the, what's the dark side of fame? That you've either experienced personally, maybe from the last, you know, three plus decades or from what you've experienced of friends, acquaintances, you know, people that you've worked with?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. I, I, I think that there is, there certainly are very, very serious risks to it. And I think all you have to do is, is You know, look at someone who started at the same time that I did and and there's a lot of what I say, you know, the terrible word, but there's a lot of roadkill. There's a lot of people that have just gone off the rails or disappeared or gone into drug addiction or gone into uh, you know, some kind of scandals or or or um depression or or whatever, or not even alive. You know, I mean, there's a lot of it's it uh, there's a lot of people that have a have a real kind of

• 40:46Speaker 01

  difficult time with it for for those reasons. I think because partly it's it's um it's not it it's it doesn't it's just a weird life and and you start to wonder if any of these things that people are saying to you like I love you or or or I I whatever are are real and and and if you don't have the real stuff going as well, you can just kind of get caught up on it. I mean, I think that you know, you e- even the world of movies, we live in this while we're making a film, we live in this kind of fantasy world where

• 41:31Speaker 01

  we're trying to exactly create another world. Um, the sets are made to feel as real as possible. The props are made to real feel as real as possible. You're holding something that feels like a gun in your hand. You know, you're you're you're kissing a, you know, a a beautiful woman that that, you know, probably in life never would even look twice at you. You know, you're you're um, you're you're riding a horse, you know, across the the the desert and it's an actual desert and an actual horse. And I think that you can get really kind of confused

• 42:11Speaker 01

  about what life is when you go from one fantasy situation to another, to another, to another, you start to believe that you know, the person that plays your best friend actually is your best friend with no idea that that the movie is going to end someday. And then when that movie ends and when that friendship ends, you start to feel like Oh, like, who am I? Like, that's kind of weird, right? That that I that I went that far and by that shallow a person. But then you're on to the next movie and then, you know, you got another world and then you got, you know, somebody else is is are playing your parents and you be, you know, you feel like,

• 42:53Speaker 01

  you know, they they feel like your parents and then you go, wait a second, my parents and you know, so so I think that you you it's very easy that and also. Uh, I think that once the fame kicks in, a lot of people start to, you know, you mentioned those inconveniences that they start to isolate themselves from um uh from everyday people. You you know, the the gates on your house get bigger, you're no longer taking the subway, you're jumping in and out of limousines.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Um, you start to hang out with other famous people because you because you have a shared experience, therefore you you you um. You know, you feel more comfortable like like being with them. You can look around the room and and, you know, hypothesize that nobody is there because they want something from you. And I think that as a result, you can just fall into traps and and um just kind of lose touch. I also think that can be be very detrimental to your acting, uh, because, you know, what we are tasked to do is at least this what I am tasked to do is so often is to play an everyman.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  I don't get I'm I I don't play movie stars. I mean, once in a while I do. Um, I don't, you know, once in a while I play somebody famous, once in a while I play somebody rich, but but mostly I I, you know, I play regular guys. So if I if I if I don't have any chance in my life to interact with um.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  You know, regular people, I think you can lose touch with what that is.

• 44:44Lewis Howes?

  That's probably why I saw you at that deli one day 12 years ago, just out, out with the people, you know?

• 44:50Lewis Howes?

  This is, this is fascinating. Everything you just shared for me is really fascinating to hear your perspective. I'm so, so glad you're opening up about this. And one of the things I heard, I heard in this was kind of around identity. Cause you're always shifting or morphing identities, you know, and the more successful actor you are, you've gotten three movies a year or whatever it is. So over the last three plus decades and all the roles you've played,

• 45:15Lewis Howes?

  you've had to step into a fantasy world, like you mentioned, and play a, a character and have a different identity than your own core identity. How do you and how have you kept your core values? And your core identity? Even while playing other parts over the last three plus decades and not let it diminish your light, diminish your confidence, diminish your values, diminish your connections, your, your family relationships, all these different things.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  You gotta learn how to leave your work at the office for one thing. I mean, I, I completely uh, agree with you. That is, that is part of the challenge. I mean, the one thing I will start with is that the reason that I became an actor.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  A big part of it, once I got into the kind of skill and craft piece of it was so that I could walk in another man's shoes. Like I didn't want to put Kevin up there. I still don't. I don't think it's, um, I mean, it's kind of fun, like in the, in the social media piece of it, even though it's still. At its essence is still kind of a performance like who I am. Once, you know, we end this conversation is not exactly who I am even in this conversation. Interesting. It's just, there is an element of, of being a performer that, that you have to.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  And, and so when it comes to characters, I always wanted to play somebody that was different than me. Someone that was from a different cultural kind of background or socio economic upbringing. Or had a different, you know, political point of view, or was in a different sort of gig than I had. You know, I mean, I've played a bunch of Marines and I couldn't make it through 10 minutes of bootcamp. But the, but, but the idea to, to be able to embody that and understand what that is. And make it believable when I put on that uniform has always been the challenge, not, not to be, to be me. And when it comes to my own.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  My own.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Image. I don't really think about that that much like I don't.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  In a perfect world, I would only let the work ever speak for itself. There's, there's a necessity to promote the things that you're, you're in. You know, in this case, the podcast, you know, there's a necessity to stay, especially in this day and age. You know, to stay relevant and have, have people kind of be aware of who, who you are. But in a perfect world, I would only just play character after character after character. And when it comes to figuring out and holding on to who you are.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  I, I wish I had real specific tools. But I would say that.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  I got extremely lucky by uh meeting a woman who uh is able

• 48:51Speaker 01

  whether she tries to or not to keep me um

• 48:58Speaker 01

  aware of that to to to to to not believe too much of my legend, but also not beat myself up too much when things aren't, I don't feel are are going my way. Wow. And to be able to uh connect on ways that have nothing to do with the part that I'm playing or that she's playing or with the industry or with whatever, to connect on things like children and our, you know, or animals or conversations over, you know, politics or nothing, taking a walk and holding hands, cooking a meal together, you know, we

• 49:43Speaker 01

  we cook together all the time. I mean, it was, you know, during the lockdown, Jesus, it was like we're cooking like you know, three meals a day. After a while, I was like, oh my God, if we have to cook another meal and clean up another meal, I think I'm gonna jump out of a window. We don't, but we really love to do that and to share and we don't even you know, we, it doesn't even need to be cooked for somebody else. It's just, just for us, you know, but to and I don't, uh, I'm just, I just feel so grateful, you know, I really think that you have to have other stuff outside of you know, your work um that

• 50:26Speaker 01

  whatever it is, a good book, yoga, meditation, um, horseback riding, exercise, um, you know, just whatever, wordle, I mean, uh, watching reality TV, just, you know, whatever it happens to be, something that that takes you away from what the, what the daily thing was. And that's the same thing as being an actor. I mean, I also have to say that um. It does get to you, your, the parts that I play.

• 50:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 50:58Speaker 01

  I can't, yeah. I mean, if I'm doing a dark, dark story, I have dark dreams. I sometimes can come home and not be able to completely shake off the day's work. Um, I know that it's always kind of there because I know that in the morning I have to, you know, I played, for instance, I've played pedophiles, you know, and I'm, I know that in, that, that in the, in the, that the next day I have to do that again, you know? And, and that definitely will mess me up. But the one thing that I'm very, very good at is when, when the, when the film is wrapped,

• 51:38Speaker 01

  I can say goodbye to that person, that, that character, and they can leave my life forever. Which is part of the reason why I don't really look back at the movies, you know, because I just feel like that was that guy, that guy's gone. You know, a lot of people keep, um,

• 52:00Speaker 01

  like props and, uh, and, uh,

• 52:03Lewis Howes?

  You never keep anything?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 52:06Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 52:07Speaker 01

  I really don't. I have some, the one thing I have is like some crew T-shirts, like, like, like a T-shirt or a hat or something that somebody, but I don't even have that many, but I do have a couple of those. But only because, I don't know, give them to you and you just throw them in the basement.

• 52:21Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  In a box and, and, you know, uh, so there's some of that line around, but I, yeah, I wanna.

• 52:31Lewis Howes?

  You move on, you move forward.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, move forward, yeah.

• 52:34Lewis Howes?

  I love this conversation about your, your wife. How long have you guys been together now?

• 52:39Speaker 01

  September 4th, it will be thirty-five years.

• 52:42Lewis Howes?

  Holy cow, that's incredible.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, thirty-five years, yeah. Um, and, uh,

• 52:48Lewis Howes?

  Thirty?

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and, you know, I think we're both super grateful to have each other.

• 52:55Lewis Howes?

  What is the thing you love the most about your wife?

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Uh, I would say the thing that is most impressive to me that I've tried to, um,

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Try to learn a little bit. I'm someone who makes a decision and just like, like stays, I don't like to change the plan. Right? It's like, if I make a plan, then I don't like to change it. My wife is very happy to change. She's, she embraces change all the time. Like she changes her clothes like eight times a day. Like she'll have on countless outfits, not because she has that many clothes, but just because she's got a sleeping outfit, then the, uh, I'm gonna have the coffee outfit. Then I'm gonna

• 53:44Lewis Howes?

  Workout outfit.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  The lunch outfit is definitely not the dinner outfit.

• 53:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  And, and it's, then it's also, then, then there's this thing that her, her and my daughter called the grout fit, which is when you put on a gray, like gray sweats. Uh, so it's a gray outfit. So they call it a grout fit. And it's for watching television. And that's not the same as a sleeping outfit. Then it's back to the sleeping outfit. So, so she, that's just a metaphor for change. She changes her mind and, you know, at first I was like, wow, she changes her mind a lot. Uh, but I really think it's a good, I think it's a good quality to have. You know, when you look at politicians, there, there are a lot of times someone goes after them because they've had one opinion.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  And then they have a different one. You know, you didn't have the same opinion about this, you know, in, in, in, you know, two thousand and thirteen, you said this. I think to myself, that's great. I mean, I don't want somebody in office who's not going to change their mind. The information is changing all the time. You get new information. You change your mind. I mean, that like, like that's just lunacy to me. That that's, that like, that that's a, a negative. I think that, uh, you know, learning over the last few years, me too, Black Lives Matter, a lot of things that, that, um, a lot of information that is, has come to us.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Is information that where you go, oh, okay, I kind of thought this, but now I have a different point of view. Now I've kind of started to see things through somebody else's eyes and maybe I don't feel in the same way that I would about that. Maybe I'm going to stop. You know, saying things in that way, or maybe somebody reads something and they decide to stop eating meat or they decide to start eating meat or you know, whatever it is. It's like, okay, you know, change, change is good and, and, and you know, if you don't, if you're not changing,

• 55:57Speaker 01

  then you're dying, you know? That's what I think. And I think that my wife is very, very, she's constantly.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  I mean, she's constantly working on herself.

• 56:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's beautiful.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  And that's not something that I, you know, that I, that comes that easily to me, you know? And so I admire that a lot about her.

• 56:24Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 56:27Lewis Howes?

  I've got two final questions for you, but before I ask them, I want to talk about some of the projects that you've got working on right now. You've got a, you've got a new podcast that you're coming out with where you're going to be interviewing some other friends of yours, some other people that have done some incredible things. Can you share a little bit more about this and?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah. Six Degrees dot, yeah, sixdegrees.org was, was a foundation that I started many, many years ago, based on

• 56:55Speaker 01

  the game Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It was really about connections between people. It was about trying to highlight celebrities and the good work that some of them are doing. And this podcast is something that we eventually, you know, is a just a reach, recent kind of extension of, of this organization that's been raising money and doing all kinds of things for all kinds of charities across the board for many, many years. And I thought that it would be interesting to sit down with people who I, many of whom have worked with or have crossed paths with, but some of whom I haven't, people from acting and, and music and sports and.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  All kinds of basically famous people who also have organizations or charities or causes that they care very, very deeply about. And to spend the first part of the podcast discussing just their lives. And the second part of the podcast, bringing in the unsung heroes that run these foundations for them and talking to them both about the thing that they're involved with, whatever it happens to be. But also talking about what inspires somebody to not pursue a life of fame and fortune, but to pursue a life of giving back.

• 58:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  I mean, that to me is fascinating because it's so far from my, my, what, what drove me into this, you know, and, and

• 58:27Lewis Howes?

  A life of service. Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  A life of service. Exactly. Exactly. So, so that's, um, and, and, and, and what you find out in these things is that, you know, I think we write off celebrities often because you think, well, if, if they're doing anything of a charitable nature, it's just to, you know, make them look good or make their brand look good or whatever that happens to be. But it's not really true. There's a lot of people that care very deeply about a lot of the things that they're doing and are involved with. And I think that in, in some way, I kind of wanted to, to highlight that. So it's, it's lively and it's fun, but it also has a, you know, kind of a serious piece to it.

• 59:05Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. And they can, they can listen, watch, hear it. Where, where can they go to hear all that?

• 59:11Speaker 01

  It's on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 59:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Sixdegrees.org as well.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon.

• 59:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Or and sixdegrees.org. Yeah, probably sixdegrees.org will also have links to. Yeah.

• 59:23Lewis Howes?

  For sure. Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon. I'm excited about that. And I saw you've got Matthew McConaughey on there and that we've had him on the show a couple of times. And I asked him about, I asked him about relationships and I asked him about some of these similar questions. So I'm excited to see what you guys talk about as well.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  He's, he's a great interview, isn't he, Matthew?

• 59:41Lewis Howes?

  He's great.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's so much fun.

• 59:43Lewis Howes?

  You remind me a lot like him, though. You guys are very open hearted. You're very generous with your, your stories, your knowledge, your wisdom. So I'm, I'm, you know, you remind me a lot of him as well.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  He's got a great turn of phrase, though. He really does. He's, he, he's, it was, he was a lot of fun to talk to.

• 59:59Lewis Howes?

  That's awesome. I'm excited to listen to that one. I want everyone to go check it out, subscribe, listen as well. Um, this is a question I ask. So I got my two final questions for you. Again, I appreciate your time. This is a question I ask everyone at the end. It's called the three truths. So imagine a hypothetical scenario. You get to live as long as you want. You know, the longevity experts have figured out how to extend our lives for as long as we want. Uh, but for whatever reason, it's the last day. And you get to create and experience and make anything you want to continue to make for the rest of your life. Um, but for whatever reason, in this hypothetical scenario, you've got to take all of your work with you.

• 1:00:38Lewis Howes?

  This conversation is gone. Your, your podcast is gone. All the movies you've made and music and content, for whatever reason, we don't have access anymore. But you get to leave behind three lessons or what I like to call three truths. From all of your experiences, and this is all we have to really be remembered of you, of this content. What would those three truths be for you?

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Take care of each other.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Take care of the planet.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  And floss.

• 1:01:14Lewis Howes?

  You know what's interesting? You're the second person who said floss. Out of 10 years of interviews, uh, you know, over a thousand interviews. You're the second person that said floss to me.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Who was, who was the other one?

• 1:01:29Lewis Howes?

  It was a doctor, actually, um, and I'm forgetting his name right now, but he's written a New York, a couple of New York Times bestselling books. It's going to come to me, but. He, he said to floss, and that was one of his three final things to leave to the world. If you could not remember anything else, I'm curious, why, why floss for you?

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know. Just dumb. I mean, it just, you know, they, they just say that it's, it's, it is very, very important for health. I mean, I guess it's actually just a, it's just kind of a metaphor for taking care of your, your own self.

• 1:01:58Lewis Howes?

  It is, it is. Yeah. That's great. Now I wish I would have flossed much younger. I think I waited until I was like in my twenties and I regretted it. And now I do it like religiously and I, I, I feel the difference. So I think it's, it's smart. Kevin, I want to acknowledge you for. The incredible career you've had, the incredible gift you've given to the world with 30 plus years of artistry, with your energy, your passion, your ability to connect with people, whether it's with me in this interview, whether it's on screen, on stages, you know, on social media, your command, your charisma, your charm, and your confidence, even when

• 1:02:41Lewis Howes?

  things aren't going your way, is inspiring to watch. And I appreciate and acknowledge you for constantly showing up with your artistry, with all the different ups and downs in your life, and giving with your talents. So I'm really grateful for you and for being here. I want people to go again, check out Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon. Make sure to check that out, sixdegrees.org to learn more about that as well. And my final question is, what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  I think

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  staying true to who you are, you know,

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  and and hanging in there, you know, there's a lot to be said for just surviving, I think.

• 1:03:32Lewis Howes?

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