India\Pakistan Ceasefire Reached | Eyes On Geopolitics

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• 2:15Speaker 03

  So a lot happening as usual. First and foremost, the back and forth with India and Pakistan. It was announced yesterday that there was a ceasefire. And then a couple hours later, there was a bit of exchange of fire between India and Pakistan. But let's kick off with the ceasefire and what it looks like.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Mick, what are you tracking with that?

• 2:39Speaker 04

  Well, obviously, a ceasefire is a good thing for everybody, right? You got two major powers, both nuclear equipped. Everybody should want to see this de-escalate, not escalate. To state the obvious. The fact that the US played a role, I think is great. You know, I mean, it was a little mixed messages. You know, this wasn't US concern and then there's ceasefire. Now we're kind of taking credit for the ceasefire. It's like, okay, I guess it was their concern. But, you know, other than that, I think it's a good thing. The US has relationships with both India and Pakistan. So a lot of countries had good relationships with one or the other, but not both. So that's why I think the US was critical in this.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Hats off to Secretary Rubio and his team for the role they played in getting this. But I do think both sides were looking for an off-ramp. Right? Because it's like, I'm sure everybody's, you know, general staff is sitting around going, how does this end if it's not, you know, an immediate ceasefire? Because if it's tick for tack until ground forces are involved, there's an issue. You know, I think sometimes we talk too much about doctrine, like it can't be changed. But the Indian doctrine is a no first use. So they won't use it first. The Pakistani doctrine doesn't have that. So they can use it first and they've already decided that. And they don't consider, like Russia, they don't consider tactical nukes to be nukes, really.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  But most countries would if you had a tactical nuke lob at you. So under their doctrine, Pakistan, if If their army loses a key position, they can use a tactical nuclear weapon. So that could have been the triggering for an escalation to a full, you know, strategic level nuclear war. So that that was the biggest concern, I think, for everybody. And, you know, we were just talking about before we came on air. Jay should let, uh, fill us in on this, there's still been stuff, but ultimately, if it holds long term, good thing, perhaps this would be a time to transition into long term negotiations

• 4:49Speaker 04

  with the US lady, because they still haven't, you know, the Indus River Treaty is still on hold, there's still no diplomatic presence in each country. I think airspace is still, there's still stuff that needs to be done, other than just not shooting at each other.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I, I agree. That's the, the key is, you know, uh, great, we got this short term ceasefire, but when they, we need to now start working on the long term. I think it would be a mistake for our administration to say, okay, we got the ceasefire, now we can let you guys handle it all. Not that they're not capable, but it's like two, two, when kids are fighting, when everybody's hot headed, nobody wants to, you know, talk it out until, uh, somebody steps in and neutral party and is able to, uh, um, calmer heads prevail. So I'm hoping that we will stay in for the long run. Um, it's, uh, there's some pretty significant events that happened in the short, this short

• 5:45Speaker 05

  conflict, um, one of which, if the rumors are true about the aircraft that were shot down and things like that, um, this would be the largest, uh, air battle between two countries in, since I believe it was Vietnam. Um, so, uh, there, the rumors are that, you know, I think it was eight Indian aircraft were shot down and, um, a couple of Pakistani ones. The big thing being that, in Chinese made, I think it's a J twenty, I believe if that's correct.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  No, J, J ten.

• 6:22Speaker 05

  J ten, uh, shot down a, uh, Rafael, um, a French made Rafael on the Indian side, which is pretty significant. Um, because that's the first, I believe, combat loss of a Rafael, if it's all true. Um, I know that there's been a lot of misinformation, disinformation, some of the videos that were being shown, um, in the initial stages of the conflict were, uh, actually videos shipped from Gaza, from a year or two ago, uh, things like that. And then wreckage that was shown was, uh, purported to be from a different conflict. So we don't know exactly, uh, what's what. I don't believe, and Mick, maybe you can, um,

• 7:00Speaker 05

  uh, refute or, or, um, say that this is true. Uh, there's not a big Western media presence in that area to, to report on this stuff. So we're basically going by whatever side is talking first. So.

• 7:16Speaker 04

  I think that's fair. I've seen very few Western media reporting, some CNN, but it seems like they're out in Kashmir, but right now Kashmir is essentially a no-go zone for anybody.

• 7:28Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  So I, I think you're right. I think we're having to rely on a lot of, um, reports that could be seriously biased based on, you know, where they're coming from.

• 7:38Speaker 05

  Absolutely. And I'm sure that US and other, uh, Western intelligences, if they're not in the region already, which I'm sure there are, are trying to get into the region. But that's still stuff, still has to be vetted, whatever information comes out and then scrubbed, if it's going to get leaked to the press, you know, about what is known. So I think for now, we're just gonna have to rely on, you know, both sides. And to be honest, we'd probably, the, the most truthful, uh, reporting would be from the average citizen, tweeting on X, hey, I'm here and this is what I'm seeing kind of stuff. So.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, you can va- validate where the person was when they shot it. Yeah.

• 8:16Speaker 05

  Yep, absolutely. And, uh, the, um, that, uh, the ceasefire supposed violations, there was a, uh, an explosion, there were explosions reported in Srinagar, uh, the Srinagar region and, um, but nobody's been allowed to report from there. So we can't verify that. So.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay. Well, let's hope it holds.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  Definitely. A little bit more on the aviation side. Um. If it's true that they did down a Rafale, um, it's the first time the PL fifteen uh air to air missile. That's a Chinese missile is has been used in combat and has shot down and it's the export variant too. So it's not even the variant that like China actually has on their fighters and stuff like that. So medium to long range air to air missile that out that for all intensive purposes does outrange our AIM one twenties. I mean, we're still waiting for the AIM two sixty that's supposed to like, you know, beat everybody. But that's been in development for like the last few years and we still haven't seen it on a picture like under a plane or anything. So.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  And it sucks. Oh, go ahead, Mick.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  I think the French validated that it was shot down, right?

• 9:31Speaker 03

  I believe so. I think the Rafale, yeah, but they mentioned that they they they said that they shot down way more of them. And they they said they also shot down a Su. Sukhoi thirty.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  Thirty and I think a MiG twenty nine as well.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  But the ref the Rafale, I've seen pictures of like the tail number and stuff like that. I've seen some pictures of the actual PL fifteen supposedly, but I would. The thing that I'm questioning about that, wouldn't the PL fifteen explode like that? They had one almost completely intact.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, they have fragmentation warheads, so.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 05

  Would probably, yeah, it would.

• 10:05Speaker 03

  There was also a picture of like the PL fifteens like uh Acer radar and stuff like that. Their own like little seeker and stuff that was like relatively intact. And I would think like, isn't that going headlong like into a plane that's exploding like I don't know.

• 10:19Speaker 05

  Not a most of the time their proximity. So is it when it gets to a certain um range within the aircraft uh it'll go off. So maybe, you know, maybe parts um may have survived it, but.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  So aviation like the aviation world is like up like spinning up because of this now. Yeah.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Sure. Alex Hollings is locked in a room somewhere right now.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. And what's crazy is, I mean, it sucks because it's loss of life, but um this is a. Good.

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• 12:14Speaker 05

  From quote, "good battlefield laboratory" for us and for the Chinese and for the Russians, because we're letting someone else take the heat. And while we sit back and, you know, hey, that worked, you know, and the Chinese are like, okay, that worked. So it's, um, it's a benefit, but it's not necessarily a great one. But yeah.

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Well, that's a good point, Jay, because there's a lot of conflicts going on in the world right now. I think we're trying to end them the best we can, but we need to get the lessons learned from them, because the other way to get those lessons is to be involved in conflict. So you might as well take the, the opportunity to learn from others. That's, that's where the real smart's coming.

• 12:53Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  I wonder, is the US taken serious, like the, uh, the level of drone warfare that's been going on, like especially in Ukraine and stuff like that, like where we're gonna like? Develop our own, whether it's be defensive or offensive drones. To like.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  So I think.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Go ahead.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think we're heavily involved in those for one to support, for example, for the Ukrainians. But also because we're smart enough to see this is the future of warfare. It's happening right in front of us. It's not just happening. It's involving right in front of us right there, right now. And the, you know, warfare is the mother of all necessity and necessity is the mother of all invention, right? So.

• 13:39Speaker 04

  I think we need to be taking all of this. And maybe that's part of the things we get out of supporting Ukraine. It's not just, you know, these raw earth materials. It's. We want to have all of the, you know, intellectual property that comes out of what are you doing with drone warfare and. Because we don't want it just to be out there for everybody because this is they've proven to take very inexpensive, oftentimes commercial off the shelf. Material and lethalize it to a point of it's just staggering.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  Uh, and that can be spread quickly to our adversaries. So we need to control it. Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I believe Raytheon, it might be Raytheon. One of the primes was testing out an anti-drone kinda.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  I don't want to call it artillery because I don't think they shoot actual projectiles. I think it's more like electromagnetic, but. They've been testing it and they've they've started production on it like for for us and I'm so I'm assuming probably Ukraine as well. But that's defensive. We also had a great former guest on Team House and Eyes on Chad McCoy, former 24 STS. Operator who is the CTO and founder of. Firestorm Labs, which is a drone. Company. I think they just signed a big deal with the DOD and stuff to develop like. Drone stuff for them. Um, yeah, it's pretty interesting how it's involved because it's it's artillery and it's also drones. It's like old school and like new stuff.

• 15:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  All mixed in in one one area like it's pretty interesting to like see play out.

• 15:15Speaker 05

  And I think something that we would be smart to do if we're not already doing it. And I would think we would, but would be to can uh have a mini operation paperclip type thing where we take some of the um uh battlefield tested uh drone operators and designers from Ukraine, bring them here and say what works, what doesn't help us with this. And I'm sure that in some way we're doing that already. I mean, we have, you know, uh, we bought some of their fighter pilots over here to train them, you know, fly the F sixteen, things like that. Um, it wouldn't take much to get some of them over here uh to uh help us with our development.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's actually, uh, they call it tech rodeo. It's down in Sheridan, Montana, this place called Granite Creek. Uh, it's a giant ranch. We went, me and Eric, all Eric, my business partner, went, I think it was like five years ago and it was maybe, I don't know, thirty five, forty people. Apparently now it's it's way bigger and they are, it is a drone counter drone. Uh, air, ground, ground drone dogs going into mine shafts. I mean, it's apparently it's insane now. It's just, it is just exploded. And they use it as it one, it's so far out there that there's no concern when it comes to like uh

• 16:42Speaker 04

  the the clearances for the drones to fly and out of sight and all this other stuff. So that's why it's there, but uh we plan on going back this year and right here. It's just packed. And it's it's to be able to test your drone against counter drone technology and all that stuff. So it's a competition. It's a lot of fun, I suppose. So we're we're heading down there. It should be something interesting to see.

• 17:04Speaker 03

  Nice. Um, oh, yeah, I just wanted to, uh, there was a report, I believe by CNN. I can't remember. Don't quote me, but the reason why the Trump administration got involved with India, Pakistan is because on Friday night, they got, uh, alarming intelligence that kind of, um, made them like, just put the foot on the gas and, and start, uh, talking with India and Pakistan and engaging, uh, as at least moving them towards a cease, uh, towards a ceasefire. The funny thing was like Secretary Rubio posted something about it where like they've agreed to do,

• 17:40Speaker 03

  to further talks and, uh, the Indian, uh, the Indian, I believe Foreign Minister said, yeah, no, we haven't agreed to talks. The ceasefire is yes, but the, we, uh, talks we have not agreed to yet.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Right. And that's needed to actually resolve the circumstance, situation, right?

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's how intelligence plays a big part.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  What do you think they heard? Like they're putting nukes in command and control, like on command and control into like generals or colonels, whatever, like strapping nukes to like artillery? Cause that's scary.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  I mean, it's just speculation, but something to be that concerned about would be, um, repositioning nuclear vice, even tactical ones.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Right. I mean, a tactical one, they say it obviously has yes, less yield. So that's how they distinguish the two. But people here nuclear, you shot a nuclear or anything at somebody else, it's, you know, stand by.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  Right. Uh, escalation is going to happen pretty quickly.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know. I, I assume India has tactical nuclear weapons. If they don't, then they're only going to respond with what they have, which is strategic level, like high yield. And then there you go.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  I mean, you got to assume India's got tactical nukes, right? If they know Pakistan does, right?

• 18:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, they actually have a nuke, the whole nuclear triad. They have, uh, sea, land, obviously, and air launched.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  So they're way more sophisticated, uh, nuclear and, and the military than, uh, Pakistan, but.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, we did a study. I had to do, me and Eric did a talk on it. So we looked at all the stuff on limited exchange between India and Pakistan on a nuclear front. It's like catastrophic.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it's like way, way more impactful than you think.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  You know, it's like the, the global temperature drops three degrees Celsius. It doesn't sound like too much, but it is. And like crop productions plummets, people start starving.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  It'll affect the world.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  The meltdown and it's, it's, it sounds hyperbolic, but every, everywhere we looked and then validated, uh, people are like, no, yeah, that's what's gonna happen. I mean, it's just is. So it's not just gonna be, wow, it sucks to be over in India, Pakistan. It's gonna be, or here it comes. It's just gonna be a wave. You know, it's gonna get dark, dim, cold.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Produce goes way down.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, Louis, Louis Rita mentioned it in it when we had him on, me and Jack on Eyes On, that they did like models that if Indian Pakistan use 25% of their arsenal against each other, these things would happen and it would affect the United States in terms of crops, millions of people, like millions of people die in the United States, right? Like, because we think, oh, Indian, Pakistan, it's, you know, 10,000 miles away or whatever. Like, we don't even think about it. Like, oh, nothing will affect us, but it most obviously certainly would. Um, yeah, hopefully they do bring them both back from the brink and, uh, cooler heads prevail and we can start worrying about, you know, other stuff.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  All right.

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• 22:32Speaker 03

  Interesting what happened last night. 1 a.m. local time in Moscow. Putin, President Putin had an address to the country and the basic measles sent of the address was that he wants a ceasefire, is open to talking to the Ukrainians more bilaterally rather than with the U.S. Or I guess having the U.S. there, but you know, more face to face with the Ukrainians instead of having like the mediator that runs in from one room to the other like we've been seeing with the Iran talks. I, just being the cynical person that I am, is going to say, I feel like that's bullshit and like anything that Putin said.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm sure he wants a ceasefire because his army is in a meat grinder, but you know, I can't, you can't, I don't know if you can really trust exactly what Putin says.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  You cannot. I think you can start, yeah, not trust what Putin says. I think it's, if looking at it as a positive, it shows he's getting pressure, right? He sees now it's not just the U.S. who seems to have shifted their position on this whole thing, particularly after the signing of the investment fund agreement.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  And now it looks like we've turned back on military aid and potentially we might increase it, which we should absolutely hundred percent. And now they have this coalition of the willing in Europe, Germany, France, UK and Poland, essentially saying, time's up, agree to a ceasefire without any conditions, or they're going to impose additional sanctions. So that's what Putin understands, strength, right? He does. Yeah, you can kiss up to him and say all these great things about him and thanks for the lovely painting and all that stuff. None of that stuff matters to him. It's it's just it's just a way to manipulate people. But when he hears, oh, man, so secondary sanctions would cut off potentially India and China for buying my

• 24:33Speaker 04

  oil, that's gonna hurt, right? That, oh, the three hundred and twenty-five billion dollars worth of Russian funding that's certain in Brussels, they're gonna start giving away thirty billion dollars at a time to Ukraine, that's gonna hurt. This is what needs to happen, not threaten. I mean, he he either like they should have a deadline. We, I think President Zelensky just said like Monday. So like, you agree by Monday to a thirty day unconditional, or these things need to happen. That's the only consequences he gets. That's why he got up at one in the morning, he wanted to throw something out there. Okay, maybe he really wants to do this. And then two weeks later, it'll be like, oh, it never happened. Or he'll

• 25:14Speaker 04

  declare a unilateral ceasefire than violate it. Right? It's gotta be, you know, it doesn't have to be thirty days, but I think thirty days is what we should require. That's when negotiations start. Yeah, it's really hard to negotiate when you're fighting, because anything could happen that will just completely rupture the discussion. So I think I think the US and Europe are coming together, which is a positive. But we need to actually do what we say we're gonna do if you want to get this into meaningful negotiations.

• 25:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, agreed. It's it's it's long past time and and everybody, at least on one side, wants to see it stop. Um, and I'm sure that the Russian people want to see it stop. Um, but I think there has to be, like you said, there has to be consequences. Again, I hate using the child metaphor, but if that's what you're dealing with, um, like with a child, you can say all you want. If you don't stop, you're gonna go to your room, you know, you're not eating dinner, whatever. Um, but until you actually do it, it's not gonna mean anything. And, uh, just like a child, Putin will push his limits as far as they can go, as long as you allow it, until you don't allow it anymore. You know, and if that means we have to lose a little face, well, and I by we, I say the administration has to lose a little face.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  After we've big upped him all these years, months, whatever, um, and do a one eighty and say, you know, smack the hand. Well, then that's what we have to do because there's lives at stake here.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, well said. Hopefully something does happen. I mean, I I don't believe a fucking word from any Russian and like. And like the the trippiest one is Medvedev. He's a fucking lunatic. He just tweets out crazy shit and it was so funny during the Obama administration when Medvedev was the president and Putin was take, you know, the president, but the actually prime minister. Like there was like, oh, there's a reset. There's like a kind of like, yeah, and this guy's actual cuck bird. He's out of his fucking mind.

• 27:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Um, yeah. Which like Andy, I remember before when I've mentioned, he said like, he was probably full of shit the whole time. You know what I mean? He was probably just playing the fucking role the whole entire time. And, you know, this is who he really is.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  Like an absolute savage war monger. Um.

• 27:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  I don't know why they haven't done their three hundred twenty five bill yet. I mean, you know, at least like trickle it out, like drip it out, but like, yo, this is gonna happen. And the clock's ticking. Um, and the money's going directly to Ukraine for arms and they're gonna keep killing your soldiers. Making you look like the paper tiger you've looked like for the last three years. You know, it's like, it's whoever said Russia is literally an oil field with nuclear weapons or a gas station with nuclear weapons is not wrong. Like, that's the exact perfect way. John McCain, shout out. Rest in peace. I mean.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  It's not like there's it's you can't even describe it better than that.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  So anyway, last bit of news. Uh, Iran and the United States just wrapped up their fourth meeting in Oman today. No apparent breakthrough in a public standoff over enrichment, but both sides confirming plans for future negotiations. Um, I think it's a good thing uh that we keep negotiating. For sure. Uh, what do you guys, what do you guys got on that?

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Well, I agree with you. Negotiations are always good. I mean, it doesn't mean that you can't take action if they fall apart, but if you're not negotiating, then there's really no diplomatic path for. So I think the US, the issue the US faces, and there's a lot of internal disagreement on this, is are we willing to accept something that is essentially 2050 JCPOA? That there was problems with that agreement. The biggest problem was uh it didn't address proxy force uh support by the Iranians as well as Hamas uh booties. And now we can see, you know, what those groups have been up to causing complete chaos in the Middle East.

• 29:30Speaker 04

  It didn't address ballistic missiles, which obviously if you they they keep working on ballistic missiles where they can deliver a warhead. Right? Um. And there was some question on whether we actually knew what they were doing completely. But that's the negative. The positive is it did keep them at 3.67% enrichment, right? So uh that's far away from a nuclear weapon. They're at 60% now. So you can do the math on how much more that is, and you only need to get to 90. And apparently to go from 60 to 90, it's very quick, like weeks, two weeks. So the question now is, are we going to be complete hardliners of which the Iranians

• 30:12Speaker 04

  won't agree uh to any kind of new agreement? And we will essentially go back to the track where uh we'll likely take a military strike. President Trump said that numerous times unless he's bluffing.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  That's a potential action.

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• 31:58Speaker 04

  Philly needs us to be successful, and Israel might do it themselves. The issues that are going to be sticking points, of course, are in addition to proxies and ballistic missiles, are they allowed to enrich their own uranium, even for what they're calling civilian nuclear power? Secretary Rubio has made it clear now that there was an issue or confusion before that they won't be allowed to do that. They'll have to import it from Russia, I suppose, or some other country, and then use it for energy. If they're unwilling, and we'll find out soon, because these there's, I think the deadline is still the two month deadline is still ticking.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  So if there's not an agreement, or at least something that's going ironclad toward an agreement, then we'll start looking at military options. And I think once this trip that we talked about earlier is complete. And if there's no, you know, solid progression, then we should all be looking at whether this is going to end up with a military strike on the Tons and Fordow and all these key places that we know are instrumental in nuclear weapons productions.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  Ah, geez. I mean, they have, we have to concede some stuff like they do, because I feel like no enrichment in in country. Proxy forces, ballistic missiles, like they're not going for that. I mean, who would go for that, really? Even if you want to make a deal like you. I know that they see Israel as a, you know, their, their threat, the threat and stuff like that. I mean, if you can get Jikpoa with proxy forces, I feel like that's a win. At least overt stuff, they're always going to be covert. We know that you were in the business, Mick, like, let's be fucking real. But if you can get some kind of like that, where like the, at least the, uh,

• 33:55Speaker 03

  the, uh, what's the, eh, the U A I A, like the, you, you, whatever. I, yeah, yeah, sorry. Could go in and there's like actual stringent protocols where like they could tell what's what and their monitoring is legit. I feel like that's a win, man. I feel like, because game it out, right? Let's say we bomb them and we use our big boy bunker busters. And they, we set them back three to six months, they're not going to dig deeper. And like, get one done. I know if I'm them, I would.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the other thing is to play up the advantages for them. Like if they

• 34:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 34:31Speaker 04

  They do this, I mean sanctions, all the sanctions that they've been under for years and years come off. They're a very advanced, modern, sophisticated population country.

• 34:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  I think they would do really well on the global economic stage. Like, if you just get them to understand, and it's the regime, right? So it's not the Iranian people. It's like, so it's really that much worth it to fund groups like Hezbollah that cause war? Rather than, you know, dramatically increase the standard of living for every Iranian? That's really worth it? You know, maybe the Iranian people started, need to start putting pressure on these folks. It's because how the hell is that in the interest of the Iranian people to stay completely muzzled economically? Just so they can fund some assholes that, you know, whole purpose in life is to attack Israel until they piss them off on us, and then Israel comes and stomps them into the ground.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Like happened, you know, against Hezbollah, for example. Like that's, that, I hope, and I have no idea, I wouldn't bring it up. I hope there is a concerted influence campaign inside Iran to really point to the Iranian people like this. Now's the chance that the Iranian regime, your regime, your government

• 35:47Speaker 04

  could do great by the Iranian people. And agree with many of the things that are very reasonable in the United States. And I mean, there is even talk about if they agree that the US is going to have some kind of trade agreement with Iran. Which could be hugely beneficial to them, so.

• 36:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Anyway.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  I hope they'll talk more about that. Sorry, Jay.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, I agree with everything you just said. And I, I think this is President Trump's chance to be, he, he likes to take credit for the, the things, you know, the positive things, which is fine, whatever. You know, it's gonna be petty, but it's fine. But this is, I believe, his opportunity to take real credit for something positive by being the, by appealing to the people. Because the, the regime knows, I mean. The thought of a revolution is right here in their ear. It's always in the back of their mind. So if they allow it to get to the point where, whether it's us or Israel or us and Israel that hit them,

• 36:47Speaker 05

  the devastation that could be wrought by that, that could be enough to spark another revolution. And I think if President Trump appeals to them, the positives that you said, Mick, you know, possible trade, clean energy, you know, a boosted economy. If he can appeal to those things, I think that might be enough pressure along with the thought of, hey, these people might rise up against us, might be enough to get this thing done. Going with what Dee said, I don't, I don't, also don't believe that we're going to get everything that we want. I don't believe our ballistic missiles will be off the table. I don't believe, I do believe proxies would be off the table, but temporarily. I think they'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, put it in their back pocket to use later on.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  And I also don't, I don't believe that they will, I think the biggest thing will be that they shut down their program completely, like nuclear power completely, or nuclear energy, I should say completely. So I think if we can lock down, even temporarily taking proxies off the board and limiting their production to civilian use as well as monitoring, strict monitoring, I think that's a big win. So, you know, I think this is the president's chance to, to shine, if he does it right.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  The first agreement was the monitoring pretty stringent and like on the level? As far as you know, Mick?

• 38:17Speaker 04

  As far as I know, yes. I mean, you don't know what you don't know, so you see the ports of secret facilities, but certainly it'd have to be, you know, the International Atomic Energy Agency needs to have full access. I mean, these are things that I think the technical experts would know how we can be confident that they're not going toward a nuclear weapon. And then, you know, if they're seemingly, if they're integrated with the international economy again, why would they want one?

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  And I mean, like, they're, I know, like, a lot of these regimes, they, like, the Houthis themselves, right? They exist to hate another country, right? That's with the, you know, the Ayatollah and the whole movement.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  It just seems like it would get pretty damn old to have a revolution that lasted for three, four decades, and they don't focus at all on the plight of the people, you know?

• 39:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  So I think we should, publicly, I think that the administration should be talking about the benefits to the Iranian people. Not necessarily have, like, regime change, but it's called, you know, basically, the people that live there influencing the people that supposedly

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  uh, govern them, to like, why wouldn't we agree to this? Why, why is it in Iran's interest to go around being the pariah of the world? And, you know, causing all these groups that do nothing but fight, kill people, and they're terrorist organization? How is that the benefit of the Iranian people? It is not. It's not. So I think just not manipulate them, but just state the facts and explain that the positive consequences. I would hope that that's part of, part of our plan to get them to an agreement.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  I mean, do you think the regime just doesn't give a shit? About, you know, making more money, making the country more prosperous and?

• 40:12Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, the funny thing about, you know, every country you go to that has a major conflict or has these huge sanctions because they're pariahs, the, the people that govern are still rich.

• 40:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  And it's like, how, you know?

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  So do they personally care? Apparently not, because that's where we are. But I do think there's been a lot of pressure recently put on the regime, real legitimate, internal, organic. You know, just total dissatisfaction with the regime. And that's what they know now, but if if the Trump administration and quite frankly, the Europeans and everybody else that's involved in this. Because remember the JCPOA was also included, well, included Russia, China, Germany, France, right? The United States was P5 plus one. So Germany, I think, maybe. Somebody could correct me if I'm wrong on that, but everybody should be talking about like this is the benefit to Iranian people.

• 41:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Your standard of living, could you even show a projected trajectory on on that? Your educational system may go up, of course, and that what's happened when your economic system goes in a positive direction. So I think they should be talking a lot about that. And most of what we see is just the internal debate on what they can and can't have. I think that's valid, those debates, but we should be talking about the positive much more.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I also think a positive of at least getting monitors in there would be it would might give Israel pause about military action. Because now you're talking about possibly killing, you know, international monitors. So I think, you know, we have to at least get one of those things in there, solidified and locked down. You know, and I think the monitor and the agreement that it would be, you know, for civilian use only are two of the big things.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  I'm very cynical. I was gonna say something and I mean, it doesn't seem like that Israel really cares about smoking international.

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  Workers of any kind.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Uh, gonna be honest, but that's for another day. I hope they do make a deal, um, because it makes sense. I mean, you. I mean, I'm sure there's smart people gaming it out at DOD and CIA like, uh, what happens if we do make a deal, but Israel still fucking hits them? Where that is deals gone?

• 42:46Speaker 03

  I don't know. It sounds like a nightmare and I'm glad I don't have that job. Um, podcasting is enough. Yeah. Just talking about it is stressful enough for me. Uh.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  One more thing, uh, Trump's doing a Middle Eastern tour, uh, this week. Heading towards making all the itinerary.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  I think it's Riyadh first, then Abu Dhabi in the Emirates. So Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and then Qatar, Doha. Is what I'm hearing. Um, interesting things apart. Well, it's important for uh, people to know, we have a lot of military assets in these regions and they're there at the, you know, posted by these countries. So Al Udeid, for example, in Qatar is our forward command post for central command. And it has a major air component to it. And Bahrain, for example, is the headquarters of the fifth fleet. So the US Navy for the Middle East and central command.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Uh, there's plenty in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. So it's important for us to to get out on a national security front. Economically, of course, everybody expects major deals, uh, for lack of a better term, to be agreed to on trade, et cetera, investment primarily. Um, as these countries, Saudi Arabia especially, uh, have a huge amount of capital that they can invest. So we expect to see that. I'm sure they're going to play a part uh, in the discussions on how Gaza is going to end, how the nuclear negotiation with Iran is going to go forward. Um, all of that, they're very key.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  The Houthis, of course, and remember the Saudi led coalition, primarily Saudi and UAE fought the Houthis for years and years and years for the same reasons. So this idea that they're only doing this because of Gaza, they were doing all this stuff way before Gaza was up.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  Before October 7th. So a lot of things to discuss economically, security wise, diplomatically, very important trip, I believe. And we'll have to see what comes from it. But I think, I think, and then the potential as a side note, I'm hearing that Ahmed Al Sharra, the president of Syria, will meet with President Trump on the sides of discussions in Riyadh. At least that's the rumor. I don't, you know, they'll take it as fact. It's just a, but it's a one that's coming from multiple different journalist friends of mine who were talking to officials. So that would be a big, big deal. And they apparently are floating the idea of a

• 45:37Speaker 04

  cooperative deal with the United States on natural resources, plus potentially joining the Abraham Accords. So they're, they, they, these folks know how to sing.

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• 47:11Speaker 04

  President Trump's tune right now. So if that's the case, then we'll see if there's a meeting, but that could also be pretty interesting.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, and Al Sharar has been doing the kind of world tour thing. He met Macron and stuff last week.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  I mean, I guess legitimizing. His, his rule, I guess, is a dictator that we like, so it's good.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  Hopefully he won't stay a dictator.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  Sure, yeah, of course.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  That's part of the, the list we gave him. It's gonna have real elections, man. Just because you were the strongest, you know, goon on the block doesn't mean you get to ultimately be the, you know, president forever. I'm not saying he's a goon because apparently everybody that I know has met him said he's really, really smart, but he needs to do what he said he's gonna do, which is incorporate all aspects of the country and have a legitimate election so that the people of Syria can choose the leader. And if he's it, great. Maybe not great, but that so be it.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Right, right. And also keep smoking ISIS for us, please.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  Help out.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  Every little bit. SDP, continue smoking ISIS, who is the best?

• 48:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's a busy week. We'll see what goes down. I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about next week. I'd love to get a, an Iran specialist here. Like a former analyst or something like that because I'd be very interested in like just hearing about like the demographics of what goes on in there. Cause I know like, I've heard that it's a relatively younger country. And I just love to know what, you know, like, kind of like the atmospheres on the ground are there.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  Because there's no way people are happy with how this regime's doing things, right? Like, everybody wants to have a little bit of a better life and wants to do a little bit better for their family and stuff like that and it's clearly hamstringing them, all the sanctions, right? So I'm sure there's gotta be some kind of like economic frustration in that country.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  Anything else, guys? Oh, Mick, is there any truth to rumors are gonna be the next national security advisor?

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Cut the No, no, I don't think so. I think some of my friends were

• 49:27Speaker 04

  sending that rumor out to to screw with me. Uh, no, I haven't been asked and super happy doing and it would be an honor, of course, to be asked, but I'm super happy doing what I'm doing, which is, uh, as some know, these humanitarian enablement around the world and we're we keep getting more and more requests. So our our dance card unfortunately is filling up because of just the level of continuous conflicts around the world, the precipitous cut in foreign aid, not just from the United States, but from many other countries, uh, happening at around the same time.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  Didn't the UK cut some aid too?

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Just about everybody.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  And then I was looking this morning up and, you know, obviously you can tell I I think we should continue our foreign aid. But the one thing I would say that's a legitimate

• 50:21Speaker 04

  point of discussion is the United States is one of one hundred and ninety five countries in the world. We contribute forty percent of all international foreign aid. I think we should be proud of that. I don't think we should admit we should reduce our amount of aid, but I think we should see our percentage reduced. And what that means is other countries stepping up. So I, uh, looked up as long as this information is accurate. The United States is about ten billion dollars a year, maybe less, maybe one point five, nine point five in foreign aid. China, for example, is according to this, and I chat GPT it if you want to see where I got it, twenty million.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  Really? Twenty million?

• 51:09Speaker 04

  Like, that's pathetic.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  And Russia's right around there, and India's right around there. So, yes, you could say, well, we got a bigger economy. Yeah, we have about a one and a half times the economy of China. Yet we spend more than ten times what they contribute to international direct critical food aid.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Where we don't really expect anything back.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  Cause like, somebody can argue the Belt and Road stuff, but the Belt and Road stuff is like, yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  All in their financial.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Right, right, right.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Predatory in nature.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  And it ends up sucking out every bit of,

• 51:48Speaker 04

  you know, natural resources from, especially in, in places across Africa, countries across Africa. So, anyway, I'm just, I mean, I know we're talking about that, but it, I think there's a time, maybe.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  It's interesting, yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Walts gets to the UN, you could say, okay, like, we're proud of the contributions US makes to global humanitarian crisis. Where is everybody else at? Right? So, it, it would be good to see that countries started committing to a certain percentage of their GDP. And I'm not talking like these kind of one-off programs that we hear, I don't know if true, the USAID was something, I'm talking about direct, like, there's a stage, there's a, there's catastrophic hunger going on in Sudan. Like, who's contributing to that? They were talking babies dying. So, you know, not to be too hyperbolic, but like, who can't get behind saving a baby?

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  I mean, if you can't, you might want to rethink your, you know, whole lot life.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  I don't even think that's hyperbolic, bro. Yeah, it should be real simple. Yeah.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  So, the United States should be proud of what we do, but they, we should also say like, where's everybody else? I mean, how is, how is like, you could look at the contributions and I, and I only know.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  Who's number two?

• 52:59Speaker 04

  Uh, I'd have to go back to and find it, but if you Google like highest contributing by, uh, you know, dollars, it'll tell you the list. And as you'd expect, it's a lot of the Western folks.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  But you looking close to the bottom, I don't know where they were on the list, but thirty plus plus. I mean, some of the biggest countries in the world to include India. I mean, India's the biggest country in the world and they, and they're talking like fifteen and fifteen million and yeah, I get to have a lot of poor folks, but you can still have a lot of poor folks, uh, and contribute. I mean, you're spending money on a aircraft carrier.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  So anyway, uh, and I'm all about it, you know, spending money on defense. But anyway, you get my point. I think, I think that they could get more in line with their economy. And if it's, the US is ten times more on humanitarian, but only one point five times more on the economy. That's, that's something these countries should have to answer for.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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• 58:01Jack Murphy?

  So please go and check them out and support the show. We really appreciate it, guys. Thank you.

• 58:09Speaker 06

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 58:23Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

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  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 58:40Speaker 08

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

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  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

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  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

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  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

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  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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