'25 Aston Vanquish Review; Kart Drifting; Matt's Law

We went go-kart drifting and wowzers did it surprise us; Matt makes a new law; the 2025 Aston Martin Vanquish is fast and expensive but is it too limited? and we answer Patreon questions including: Can you drive on tires that are older than 5 years? How would we fix GM? Would we ever get a Neuralink implant? Track car dream: Dark Horse R vs Cayman Clubsport? Why shouldn't I put a parking lift in my garage? $30k sports car for rough roads and occasional track us Top bucket list activity? Why Matt hates the band P. O. T. U. S. 996 base or BRZ tS? Best car to use for a Rendezvous remake? And more! Recorded September 16, 2025 Show Notes: DeleteMe Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. HelloFresh Go to https://www. HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to Get 10 Free Meals + a Free Item for Life! One per box with active subscription. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan. Upside Upside has given back $1 Billion dollars to its users. To find out how much you could earn, Download the FREE Upside App and use promo code THESMOKINGTIRE to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:43Matt Farah?

  you have representation at a 10% discount. Offtherecord.com/tst. Don't plead guilty, get a lawyer, get off the record. Alright folks, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I went go-kart drifting. Chris Harris lost his Ferrari key and we discussed why that is in fact the best key for dropping on a bar. I review the new Aston Martin Vanquish and things we would change if we ran General Motors today. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go! That is a very good Cars and Coffee, that Rancho Santa Fe Cars and Coffee. Cause it's like,

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  A, it's super fucking rich people, and B, it's not in a parking lot. They like take over the whole town square. It's nice. Oh yeah. And all the restaurants, like the coffee shops all open early and there's like a park. It's like, it's pretty nice. Yeah, it's a good aesthetic. And at like, 6 o'clock, it starts at, you know, 7:30. If I leave my house at 6, and I drive south on a, I could fucking go 100 miles an hour, there's no cars, there's nobody. You drive the entire length of the 73, you don't see another car. Yeah, you're sinning, everyone's at church. Amazing, yes. That's not a sin. Speeding isn't a sin. Depends on which. That's a law of man, Zach.

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  There's no, listen, look, if we're gonna live in a goddamn theocracy, okay? Then we have to have both sides of the theocracy. If we're gonna live if fucking God and is going to determine how the rest of us that don't believe in God fucking live in this country, then anything God didn't say, fair fucking game, I'm driving 100 miles an hour.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Well, guess what? They who are in control like to make laws based on air quotes, things God said, and they are not in the Bible. So I'm gonna add it to the Bible. Speeding is now in the Bible, Matt Farah, because, you know, they're against a bunch of other things that aren't in the Bible.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  Let's put it in the book of Matthew.

• 2:51Matt Farah?

  Can we have Matthew?

• 2:52Speaker 01

  And the Lord says, "If the road beeth empty..."

• 2:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Matthew 4:20 says, "Keep right, motherfucker."

• 2:58Speaker 01

  But let the camels run free.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  Hi, guys. Um, welcome to the Sermon on the Mount, this is our entire podcast.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  There goes half our audience again.

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  You know, you can say that that's not being very Christian of me, but it's not my problem. I don't actually give a fuck. When was the last time you went to a religious?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Thing?

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  Thing?

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  You had a bar mitzvah?

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Had a bar mitzvah.

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. What was your Torah portion, by the way?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  No idea.

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  You don't remember?

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:32Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Second one?

• 3:33Matt Farah?

  Just vague?

• 3:35Speaker 01

  It might have been called that, and I wouldn't know.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  I guess they're not, they can't all be memorable. One of them's like, "And then fucking Mary took a shit," you know, like...

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Look, at that age, I mean, I did it, and then I focused on memorizing Karfak's. Most of those are gone now.

• 3:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, listen, dude, nobody, I cheated. I cheated at my bar mitzvah.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Learn to make the sounds.

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I transliterated my bar mitzvah, yeah.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  I'm just saying.

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  You don't remember? Mine was the Jacob's Ladder thing. That I just happened to know, because it's like a story from the Bible that's like, people are like, "Oh, yeah, that, Jacob's Ladder." I don't, I couldn't tell you what Jacob's Ladder was about, but there was a fucking ladder.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Right, and he tried to climb it, or did, success?

• 4:13Matt Farah?

  Eh, couldn't tell you.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  All right.

• 4:14Matt Farah?

  It's funny, the Torah portion stopped right before there. Not because it was supposed to, but only because I would, uh, yeah, swipe right to hear the rest.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  No, only because I was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna learn, uh, maybe, you know, 400 words, I think, is about what I'm gonna learn." Then stopped there.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  Didn't give a fuck.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. I went to, I went to Catholic mass once with a girl I was dating just after college.

• 4:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  That was a long confirmation of why I don't want to be Catholic.

• 4:43Matt Farah?

  Well.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  I mean, listen, and if you listen to Billy Joel, Catholic girls start much too late, but it's terrible. I recommend, if you're younger, try to date a Catholic girl. Especially if they go to a really, really oppressive school, if those are still a thing. That's a fucking good time. If you can get yourself in that world, man, there is some shit that goes down. It's, it's good.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  I mean, speaking of repression, this is why the stats that come out every now and then are like, states that are most red watch the most, you know, transsexual porn.

• 5:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Fascinating.

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, I love those search clouds. The search clouds, when you find out the Midwest really likes, you know, transgender porn.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Doing research, mom!

• 5:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, I've said it before, but there was a Catholic school in Westchester County that had a, that made a rule because of me.

• 5:38Matt Farah?

  And, uh, they, that boys weren't allowed to be there, like, before a certain time, because I would go pick up my girlfriend and my fucking Mustang with the 303 cam. They didn't have air conditioning in that school, so the windows were always open, so I'd be out in the parking lot.

• 5:55Matt Farah?

  It was like, it was almost Billy Madison.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  That is, that's also a little bit, um, Ferris Bueller.

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Like, Sloan there, come on now, and just like, close family.

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, good times.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  Um, so, uh, cars, maybe? We went drift karting last night.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  Which is, which is, uh, huh, that's, that's a good time.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Difficult.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  Very hard.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Extremely difficult.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  Very, very hard. Uh, they basically just, it's at K1, and they, they just put plastic tires on the back.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  And the funny thing about, um, Drift karting is that the brakes are also on the back. And therefore, you don't really have the same kind of control you would have when trying to drift a car.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  You, you have very little control. Like, the things you think will help mostly don't. It's a, it is a game of nuance and like a real, I think one of the secrets is quit while you're ahead. You know, you get 20 degrees of slip and you're like, and it doesn't feel like anything compared to any car.

• 6:57Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  But you should call that a win. And then you're quote drifting. But if you go for 30, you loop.

• 7:02Matt Farah?

  Right. And I, and inevitably you get to a point where you get a nice flow and you kind of link five or six corners and then you're like, now I know how to do this. I can repeat that every time. And then two corners later, you're just backwards in a wall.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  It was because the crowd, it was me, you, you know, Sarah Trimble, professional stunt driver.

• 7:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Corey, who does a lot of sim drifting, Misha Mansour, like a lot of people who drive frequently. And then some have a pretty solid experience drifting cars and sliding cars. And every corner, one of us was spun out again and just laughing our asses off. Like, you think, oh man, I don't have it. They have it. In the next corner, they've spun out and then you have it. If you think you got it figured out and then you don't, it was a riot.

• 7:45Matt Farah?

  Nobody has it. Actually, it is wildly inconsistent and there's a couple of different like surface changes there. And like, it's pretty funny. The, the, the, the way that a go-kart delivers power is nonlinear. And normally that doesn't matter because it's just, it's just not the kind of thing that matters when you're racing one for real. But when you're trying to actually like drift and modulate the, you can't like feather it. You have to like floor it, but then back off before you get too much.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  There's turbo lag, basically. It's like a big turbo supra.

• 8:20Matt Farah?

  It's exactly like that. So it's about like finding that like one third throttle. And I found, I found the only real way to do it is kind of like a car. The, the, you can't use your brakes. Like you have, you effectively have no brakes. There's really only one place in that whole track where you can brake and it's before that left-hand hairpin in a straight line for the littlest second, right? And so you essentially have to drift without brakes. So the way to really do it is you can only slide under deceleration.

• 8:55Matt Farah?

  And then like just hold it just enough.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:00Matt Farah?

  To not get more than your 15 to 20 degrees.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  You almost crab walk it.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  And like you find your angle and you have, and because there's no autocorrect steering, like you set the steering to the angle that rear wheel.

• 9:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Are going, it sounds like simple, but it's not. And then just be happy there. And, but I can't. I always want a little more angle and then you loop and then you loop.

• 9:18Matt Farah?

  And there is no more angle. That's it.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  There was a kid who went before us, like a half an hour before us. He was Manji down the straight and was linking corners. I think he probably lives there.

• 9:28Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Like the people that set the fastest time of the month or whatever that were two seconds faster than us.

• 9:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  They probably just.

• 9:34Matt Farah?

  No, the, the, the, I don't know if the guy was blowing smoke or, uh, but the, the, the young dude who was running our races.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Nathan, shout out Nathan.

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  He said he was a fan. We'll see if that's true or not, but he was cool. Um, and, uh, like I was like, yeah, what's, you know, what's a good time here? And he was like, yeah, he said, if you're in, you know, whatever, the mid 29s, you're like decent and the record is like a high 27.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  It was.

• 9:56Matt Farah?

  What?

• 9:57Speaker 01

  I have the sheet. I think it was like a 28.1.

• 10:00Matt Farah?

  Is the record?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  It's something, but I think that was like the monthly record.

• 10:03Matt Farah?

  That's crazy fast for, for that particular track.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Uh, the Torrance Adult Best of the Week is 28.3.

• 10:13Matt Farah?

  That's really fast.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  And, oh, the Adult Record by Michael Chan is 27.235.

• 10:20Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  That's fly. How? When?

• 10:24Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  You know, they heat those tires up first. Are they fresh?

• 10:27Matt Farah?

  No.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  You get fresh sauce?

• 10:28Matt Farah?

  Some. And also that, I mean, maybe that person, you know, weighs 105 pounds or something. I don't know, but like, wow. Very impressive.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Very impressive.

• 10:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. But you, but if you, if you live at a track, like Nathan was like, yeah, there's these people are here like every other day. So. Good for them.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:44Matt Farah?

  I used to do that, uh, back in the day at GPNY and I was fucking winning shit.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:48Matt Farah?

  That's what, that's how practice works, as it turns out.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  I told Sarah on the way home, I told her the story of you and Tom like trading free karting forever for life, basically for one commercial. And I was like, so just don't feel bad. Like, not that she would, that she couldn't catch you. I was like, just know that Matt and Tom lived at a go-kart track for a year at least. And he's very fast.

• 11:09Matt Farah?

  You should have seen my arms.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Like, I don't feel bad. I got second to you. I was actually really proud of that. But I expected you to beat me. And I went, that's-

• 11:15Matt Farah?

  I didn't beat you by much.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  You didn't, but you did.

• 11:17Matt Farah?

  What was it on the sheet? It was close, right? Is that the drift sheet or the grip sheet?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  I have both. The drift sheet is hilarious. Your time on the drift sheet was 4.9 seconds.

• 11:25Matt Farah?

  That doesn't mean, yeah, the drift sheet, this timing, timing and scoring stopped working.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  The sheet sheet, Matt's fastest time was 30.872. And my fastest time was 30.974.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we're pretty close. Yeah, pretty close. Our whole friend group was pretty close.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Pretty tight, yeah.

• 11:45Matt Farah?

  But dude, I don't know. Someone found fucking three seconds on me on a 30-second track?

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:53Matt Farah?

  Like, where, what the fuck is going? But Nathan did say that the, like, the karts are particularly slow right now, so it wouldn't be, that's like the all-time. He said it wouldn't be possible to get that in these karts.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Okay, that is good to know.

• 12:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:10Matt Farah?

  Anyway.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  Maybe you go in the morning, the batteries are fresh, or the battery packs used to be fresh.

• 12:15Matt Farah?

  For the first time, I tried to read the levels on the fucking charging units to like, see like, what size the battery packs were, like, what, how fast? I've never cared about any of that before. All of a sudden, I'm like, huh, how fast do these things charge? Or what?

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Well, EV education.

• 12:30Matt Farah?

  Drift karting is fun.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  It's really fun.

• 12:32Matt Farah?

  That's fun. Yeah, it's a sloppy mess, but it is, it's a, it's a good time.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  It was hilarious. Everyone laughed so hard all the whole time.

• 12:38Matt Farah?

  Do they do it at all the K1s?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  I don't know. They do it five times a year here.

• 12:43Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  So it's not, I think they just, they bring the sliders out or whatever, and they just do it five nights a year.

• 12:48Matt Farah?

  All right, well, if you have a K1 speed by you, wherever you live, see if they do a drift night or five drift nights a year and, and sign up, because that's fucking fun.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  It was a riot.

• 12:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We should, we should, we should mark the calendar for the, for the next one. And shout out to the fan, I think his name's Devon, who on Instagram this morning invited us to his private go-karting track, which the photo of which looked pretty amazing. Vanquish video went up today. I guess by the time non-patrons hear this, it'll have been a few days, but please go watch. And also the GTD video by the time non-patrons see this will be up as well. Vanquish is very, very pretty. What a fucking car. That's just like, that shit is like a ruby slipper going down the road in that color.

• 13:40Matt Farah?

  And that like, it is the most like candy apple, golden red. I mean, it's a real, a real delight, this car. It's just, it's a crazy, it's such a luxury item because it has only two seats, not a big trunk, is big as fuck. The front wheels are way far, I mean, look, the front wheels are like eight feet, nine feet from your head. So you have this very sharp steering that's happening down there. Like the Morgan, remember that? Yeah, like the Morgan or the Ferrari 812. Yeah, or a Caterham where there's this very precise machine happening way down there.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  And so that's kind of an interesting and different thing, but just insanely fast. It's 830 horsepower, just ridiculous. You kind of have to go really fast. Like if you're not going to be going really fast, just like skip, get DB12, get Vantage, you know, even if, Vantage is so fast also. DB12 is so fast also. This is the difference between so fast and like... Where like time warp shit happens, you know, the, the, it's like, you know, out of, out of a dig, off the line, you know, at light to light, even squirting around on the highway like, DB12 or is, or Vantage is so fast.

• 15:09Matt Farah?

  But like, when you have that extra bit of road and you're revving it not just to six, but to like eight, that's when it's like, that's when this is really, really, you know, hang on, pro-grade weaponry kind of stuff. Yeah. That's where the extra, this is 200 grand more than a DB12. You got quiet as you accelerated at a couple of moments in the video and that's not common because it was really hauling. Third and fourth gear in this car are very crazy. I mean, like, I, I'd love to have a go on one of these in the Autobahn, it would be insanity.

• 15:48Matt Farah?

  It's, it's really like, especially, Astons are fast, the DBS was really fast, but like, this is like, ooh, this is some other shit. Very cool, gorgeous. It's made well and the interior's great. Obviously, in the video, I demonstrate the very slow connection time to CarPlay Ultra, which was inconsistent. Folks, gotta take a quick break today because support is coming in hot from Delete Me. Delete Me makes it easy, quick and safe to remove your personal data online at a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable. Anyone can find and purchase your personal information.

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• 20:33Speaker 01

  When you turn the car on before Apple CarPlay connects, what do you, just normal gauges, all that stuff?

• 20:39Matt Farah?

  Blank screen. Gauge cluster on the, to drive. You can drive, but the, the gauge, but blank screen everywhere else. Which sucks because climate control and all that, even though it's a scroll knob, you still need the display to know what's, you know. So that's, that's a pain. Um, you can abort that at any time and go to. Uh, like after maybe like 10 or 15 seconds, you can abort that process and go to Aston Martin gauges. Like the, the default screen, um, like the non-carplay screen, which is fine. But it made me think about, and I don't know if I said this like a few shows ago, because we've done so many fucking shows so close together and I'm sorry.

• 21:23Matt Farah?

  I, I hope it doesn't diminish the quality of the show too much to have to do this volume of shows so close together, but like.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Like once a year, we have to do this. There's always just a trip stack up.

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like sometimes I just forget if I said stuff. Like when I came back from Atlanta and I was driving the, the, the 992 dot two, Carrera S. They're not using CarPlay Ultra for the time being, but what they've done is on their, on the Porsche home screen, uh, not the home screen, there's a dock on the left side of Porsche's screen. That has nav, phone, uh, CarPlay and settings, right? And then like drive modes, those are the five. Now in my Taycan, it's nav, uh, phone, um, excuse me, nav, uh, radio, phone, instead of nav, radio, CarPlay.

• 22:15Matt Farah?

  So there's a, essentially, it's a touchscreen, but it's a hard button that's always there for CarPlay. That's important because with that hard, with that dock that has the main things there, it doesn't really matter if Sirius XM is outside of CarPlay or inside of CarPlay, if you can toggle back and forth between them fast and if the interface is good, right? So my not having the CarPlay button on a dock is an extra series of button presses, which you do and you see me do all the fucking time. And that is clunky.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:55Matt Farah?

  The new gen Porsches, all of them, 2024, four and up, have it, have the dock now. So like, okay, that kind of, it essentially solves the problem that CarPlay Ultra is solving most of the time.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Uh, for the user, I think, I think one of the things CarPlay Ultra is trying to push though, is they solve the problem on the manufacturer's side of, hey, you don't have to design a UI anymore. You don't have to like spend all this money to, you know, put these icons around.

• 23:27Matt Farah?

  Well, you still do, because not everybody has an Apple device.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 23:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and, and if the Apple device doesn't work, you still need to be able to do shit. You still have to do all that. It's on top of that.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  But do they do it to a lesser degree? Like, do they make their gauges and things simpler?

• 23:42Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Because they can hand it off to CarPlay?

• 23:44Matt Farah?

  So, so far, we've only used it in Aston Martin.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:47Matt Farah?

  And it's layered on top of Aston Martin's existing software. So I don't know if going back two years, Aston Martin developed this car from the ground up with CarPlay Ultra in mind. Or if they just are able to integrate it by layering it over, but but if you don't use CarPlay Ultra, it's indistinguishable from what the DB12 had before. So they haven't dumbed it down because they expect everybody to use CarPlay Ultra.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  But like, I I I'm sure that CarPlay, like, there's no way Apple will let this be this bad forever. There's just no way. Like, and, you know, people have been like, you're not the only person to say this. Like, obviously, I'm not the only person to say this. I mean, we're not special. But like,

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  regular CarPlay, the reliability of it to this point now in most cars, um, along with a dock that allows you to go between your basics and CarPlay, along with CarPlay that stays in the last mode it was in when you left. That's important. Not just go back to your home screen and then have to find fucking Google Maps again. If you do that, it solves like most of the problems.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Do you think they'll be able to upgrade?

• 25:06Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Your car?

• 25:08Matt Farah?

  I don't know why they haven't. It's that that's one of those things that to me seems no brainer. It's a fucking touchscreen. Why can't you just load that?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  I mean, wherever the backend

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  programming is must be challenging.

• 25:18Matt Farah?

  It must be harder than.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Retroactively work with old system.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's like a thing where to a dumb person, it seems easy. But to a smart person.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 25:27Matt Farah?

  I've just demonstrated Dunning Kruger.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Watch that video I sent you?

• 25:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  We shouldn't talk about that one.

• 25:35Matt Farah?

  I have just successfully demonstrated Dunning Kruger. I go, how hard could it be? And anyone who spent five minutes on it could do an hour on why it's hard. That's why.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  I fixed my my CarPlay when I fixed my stereo a few weeks ago, uh, by using a different USB port and a new iPhone cable. It used to take like two minutes to connect and now it's just pops on.

• 25:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  So nice.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, it it it's the inconsistency and I we drove the dark horse. It it worked. It works great.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  They have that button. They have the new system.

• 26:04Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm. And so, uh, anyway, just back back to Vanquish. I I hate to to. Spent so much time on CarPlay, but it is a thing. And it happened in the Vantage too. It was not unique to this. You know, at first I was like, okay, maybe this car, this was like a pretty high mile press car. It was like a 6,000 mile. You know, for a $450,000 car to have that many miles on it, like is a lot.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 26:29Matt Farah?

  Which also means, it also just means it's a very early car.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 26:32Matt Farah?

  So like, eh, maybe, the hiccups, whatever. The Vantage, Roadster, production car, same shit. Exactly. And so some of this could be. So like, some of this could be Apple. Some of this could be Aston. I don't know who's what. But here's where it started to get wonky. Just to finish off this bit is. You know, you spend the fucking however long setting it up with your phone. And with CarPlay Ultra, it does take longer. That set, that initial setup takes longer. There's more like data to transfer. And then when I got up either to the mountains or to wherever. When I started getting in and out of the car a bunch.

• 27:18Matt Farah?

  And turning the car on and off a bunch. Which, this is where we sort of veer into journalism problems. But.

• 27:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, and the car started getting confused about connecting, not connecting, CarPlay, not CarPlay. The problem is it never fixed itself. That be then became a permanent problem. It couldn't find my phone ever again. So I did it over again. And then it happened again when I spent it like. I got in and out of it in within a few minutes, like sequentially for running some errands and shit. And so it's not calibrated yet to a thing that's like, not like super normal, like in the car.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:00Matt Farah?

  Drive to work, out of the car.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:02Matt Farah?

  But like, it's well within the realm of possibility of a person running errands.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  I wonder if they could add, put a setting on it that's like a sleep timer, you know, like you, your computer. You can set at what, what time you want hard drives to go to sleep.

• 28:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  And they could just give it a five minute window. Like if you run into the laundromat, like you're gonna be back in 92 seconds.

• 28:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  But if it's, if it's slow to connect then, and you need your nav, and especially if you're a less techie person, that can be very frustrating.

• 28:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's annoying. Yeah, so. It's just software. I mean, I know that's, that's really simple, but it, but software's better than hardware. Cause you can always update the fucking software, you know, so like. But an otherwise pretty spectacular and and unique, you know, now that the we haven't driven the 12C yet, they they promised we're gonna get the one that comes to LA, they're they're on it. I think some of them are going to of the year tests and then we're gonna, you know, have them after that. But based on, you know, what other people have said and, you know, with 812, that's that's a the naturally aspirated thing is a unique thing, but also with the rear steer and the sharpness and all that kind of stuff. This has no rear steer,

• 29:12Matt Farah?

  there's no hybrid anything. It's it's probably the most like direct, you know, traditional drive of any of these type of cars. So, pretty fucking cool.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Kind of like that, though.

• 29:23Matt Farah?

  I do too.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  It's like the 911 teeth, well, before they added rear steer, no rear steer.

• 29:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I mean, I I it's it's it doesn't need rear steer, you know, it's not it. I you don't come out of it going, yes, it needs that, it's fine. What it needs is nose lift. Yeah, cuz it's very, very scrappy. Like, probably the most scrappy car I've driven.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Dark Horse is a little scrappy, but it's a plastic lift.

• 29:47Matt Farah?

  It's plastic.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  It's plastic lift.

• 29:48Matt Farah?

  Who cares? This is this is scrappy carbon.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:51Matt Farah?

  No thanks.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Did you see Harris's story with his Cylindri adventure this weekend?

• 29:55Matt Farah?

  I s- I mean, I saw some photos that he had one.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  He had one and he went to visit a friend and he put the key on the roof for whatever reason and then he drove away to like down the road a ways to a gas station. Incredibly, his friend went out in the road and went for a drive and found the key. And it had been run over, but it still worked.

• 30:14Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, like it fell off and Chris had turned the car off. He's like, uh.

• 30:18Matt Farah?

  It's the square, it's the square one?

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, he thought he might be stuck and fucked, but his friend found it, so.

• 30:24Matt Farah?

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• 32:33Matt Farah?

  elitist for just knowing this, but a modern Ferrari key, it seems designed perfectly to throw down on a bar and impress women. It is roughly the size and shape of a Zippo lighter. It's an entire enameled front. The back is pretty basic. The back with the buttons on it looks like the fucking coaster for the front. You put that part down.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  And, uh, you know, it's, it's literally seems like the exact perfect thing to throw up on there and have everyone see that you have a Ferrari.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  I think it's pretty cool. I mean, now they, we have pictures up of other Ferrari keys. Like this is a nice svelte shape from a 488.

• 33:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Probably cars before it. I think it's a cool evolution. The corners are just like sharper.

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  It's very square.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  It's very square.

• 33:23Matt Farah?

  It's rectangular, yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  But, I mean.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  By the way, I don't want to be, I'm, I'm being, I'm being like, like I'm saying something that sounds mean, but like it's, I'm not. I actually think it's like, I think it's like, they're, they're finally just coming out with it. Like they're finally just saying it. Like this is a thing.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, look, the 488 one's not exactly subtle. It's bright red. It says Ferrari. But you are right. This is even bolder because it's the shield. It's bright yellow and it's got the horse.

• 33:50Matt Farah?

  It's the whole thing. It's like, it's like, it's the badge off my 328 just as a key. And you just throw it up on the table like, like as if it was your Zippo lighter. And, uh, and now everybody knows. Cause I, you know, I always describe a nice watch as a car that comes into the bar with you.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  This is, if you don't, uh, like watches, you can just bring a little bit of the car in with you. Um, yeah, Ferrari keys over time is a great search term. Oh, that's just, no, that's all the, uh, exotic keys. No, my, yeah, that, that right there is what my key looks like. My key looks like it opened a master lock. You should see, have you seen the Countach key?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:30Matt Farah?

  It's fucking like, it, I mean.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Tiny.

• 34:33Matt Farah?

  It's crazy.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  It'll break.

• 34:34Matt Farah?

  Dude, it looks like it opens a hotel safe. It's insane. You can't, you're like, wait, can I, this car's worth how much? I, can I get a better like key cylinder or something? It's insane.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  There's a.

• 34:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, that, yeah, the key on, yeah, on eBay, right there, that little, the, the red background on eBay. That's what the Countach key looks like.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Oh, that looks like it opens, yeah, a master lock at a storage unit.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  Crazy.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Good. And that's for a 308, 328 at the blank? Yikes.

• 35:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  They used to be simple and then they just put this, uh, this housing around them.

• 35:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Which does look nice.

• 35:07Matt Farah?

  Little Pope hat.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  But you know, being Ferrari, that it's the same key blank. I'm sure. It's like the aluminum, you know, frame.

• 35:14Matt Farah?

  But these have the like, the transponder thing in it and they have the immobilizer thing in it. I, that is, that's the Ferrari, uh, 430 key. I don't like that key at all. I think my favorite Ferrari key key is the 360 key. Which if you Google Ferrari 360 key, it's a, I think is a pretty nice key. I haven't seen one photo of it yet in your search for other, uh, other keys. And, uh, yeah, this little, the, the, the one on the eBay one. Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's a, it's metal and it's got this nice, like a guitar pick shape, but it's sort of concave in the middle.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  It's dished.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  Whereas the 430 one looks like you puffed air into it and made it out of fucking plastic.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Also to note, the, uh, the 360 key, the key blade, it's called, is oriented perpendicular to like the face where you hold it. Whereas the later, it's, uh, parallel.

• 36:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  So that's kind of, that's kind of trick.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  So this, that, I don't know what that is. Oh, that's just some weird. Oh, they just put, they made a housing for a nineties one for that. That's just like some custom job. But the 360 key is, is very cool. I've seen people get like, uh, polished ones that, uh, that look kind of chromey. Um, but I think that's a very nice key.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  That's a very nice shape.

• 36:34Matt Farah?

  That's a good key, yeah. Of course, 360s, you have to do the dumb immobilizer thing where you turn the power on and then you have to hit the remote fob button. It's a dangly fob and then, and then you start.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  It's like every Lotus.

• 36:46Matt Farah?

  Start, yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Such a funny thing.

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's like, that's the most like late nineties shit ever.

• 36:54Matt Farah?

  Porsche nine nine threes too. You can. You can. You can brick a nine nine three. Pretty easily if you fuck up with the fuck with the immobilizer wrong. We're starting a plane? How do you brick it? What do you mean? Like it drains the battery if you? Yeah, like if the battery drains or if something like you you're like you have to do like silly things to get it to start again. It's annoying. Oh geez. It's happened to us once here and like car left on a flatbed dealer like we couldn't fix it. It wasn't great. Not fun. I mean fortunately it was manual so you could push it. It's not like bricking a McLaren and you have to fucking squirt a bunch of Dawn on the floor. Well, there's no way to put into neutral. You don't remember when that happened? Oh. I remembered the door getting stuck. Yeah, so what happened is.

• 37:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, if you have McLaren and and um. The battery dies. You've you you have to pull the key apart and there's a tiny little key in there. Um, and if if if you has in the earlier cars, you have to get into the fender well. And like pop this thing out and get in there and it opens the trunk. It's a whole mess. But. Yeah, the if the car is locked, the calipers clamp down so you can't move it. Right? And so if it's bricked and you can't get into it. Like you can't get to the wheel well because our trays, the side things you can't you can't get gojacks in there because they're not wide enough. And you can't take a wheel off. Because there's a there's a thing. And so.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  Um, basically the solution is to squirt. An enormous amount of dish soap on the floor. Uh, and connect the tow hook to. My Delica. Uh, with an eighty five horsepower diesel. Put it in four by. And drag it. And it's not dragging on the gearbox, dragging on the it's dragging on the calipers. And in fact, once you break traction in about two inches, you then don't need the truck anymore. And when it's on dish soap, you can push it by hand very easily. Sure, make sure your feet don't touch dish soap. No, almost too easily. Like you have to you actually have to like it was like starts to move sideways and shit. This is one of the scariest things I've ever done. Where did this happen? Here? Here.

• 39:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we now have like like the car didn't get damaged, but like we now have like rules about this. This only happened because. The customer. Refused after repeated, repeated requests to get us the McLaren tender.

• 39:21Matt Farah?

  And McLaren and Beverly Hills was out of stock. So we couldn't even go. So now we have a thing, policy. Where if you have a McLaren, a Rolls Royce, a new Bentley. Uh, or a new Ferrari, all of which use proprietary tenders. If you have one of those and, and you don't provide us the tender, like within, after seven days. Cause a McLaren battery when full will last thirty eight days. I only know that because there's a literal countdown on the display. So there's a whole thing looking at you going thirty seven, thirty six, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then brick, and then brick. That's a, that's a fucking I told you so moron counter.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  I'm so hungry for some juice.

• 40:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Geez, wow.

• 40:13Matt Farah?

  So, so now we, if you don't after seven days. I'm, I'm buying and they're like a thousand dollars and it's going on your bill. Cause I'm not doing this again.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  Cause I, otherwise the solution is very risky to personnel and the car and everything, yeah.

• 40:27Matt Farah?

  So shady.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow.

• 40:28Matt Farah?

  So shady. Yeah. The fucking dish soap nationals, dude. And then you know how hard it is to clean that much dish soap off the floor? So little dish soap in your sink turns into so much foam.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Right, when you try to, yeah, yeah. You just like scoop it up with a shovel.

• 40:44Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, you're mopping for fucking hours. Yeah, you, you gotta scoop. Like you're like shoveling it into dust pans. And then you're mopping, like you gotta mop like twelve times. It's crazy.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Geez, you need to get a bunch of ducks and like rub them on the dish soap.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  This store, we don't have the, you know, at the other store, we have the Zamboni, the floor Zamboni. That's luxury living. Here, because it's a small square footage, we still mop by hand. So you just kind of fuck it.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  I bet, I bet that would fuck up the Zamboni. That just seems like too much soap. I don't know how, I just, I would worry. I would scrape it first and then hose.

• 41:20Matt Farah?

  Fuck up the Zamboni. I mean, it might get a little foamy.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  It'll be real foamy.

• 41:26Matt Farah?

  I don't think it would break it.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  It'd be so, you could, you could have a.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  Industrial grade that Zamboni. That thing is, that thing's had a pretty easy life.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  You could throw a foam party, just while cleaning that up. Remember those? The dumbest.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Do you want to destroy your house, make it smell terrible and just give everyone some sort of staph infection? Throw a foam party in college, like. Cause the mystique of it and the idea is like, below the surface of the foam, everyone's touching, having fun.

• 41:53Matt Farah?

  Someone's down here.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  That's not happening. No one did that. You want to go have sex? Have sex in your room. It's great. It's meant for that.

• 42:00Matt Farah?

  You're getting chlamydia, but not intentionally.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Not in the fun way. Not in the fun way. Yeah.

• 42:07Matt Farah?

  Those pictures of Bezos's foam party on his boat, ew.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  I remember when I was reading this medical book I've been reading and it talks about like, wearing gloves if you're dealing with blood and your skin is actually very protective in an emergency if you have to. But if you have an open cut, it could be a big problem. And I've always had this thought of like, if I, if I caught AIDS by, you know, saving someone's life because their blood squirted in my eyeball or something, I'd be pissed because I didn't get it the fun way.

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Be a bummer.

• 42:32Matt Farah?

  Right. I, I, I, exactly.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  And could I then go share needles and have a good time? Cause I, I've paid up front.

• 42:40Matt Farah?

  I would say so.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:43Matt Farah?

  Don't do any of that. Saying, this is not, we're not doctors. We're, we're as much qualified at, you know.

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  We have about the same level of qualifications.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Your skin is a great blood barrier. You can drink blood as long as it's still warm.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  Alright, so, but I, in scuba diving, I have a, what's called a, I have a bunch of specialties, right? So you, there's your main levels of scuba diving, you know, like basic and advanced and blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, all, underwater, underwater, on land, land dive especially.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  I'm good at that.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  But they have, you know, like wreck diving and search and recovery and blah, blah, ice diving and, and there's different levels, deep water diving, et cetera. So from camp, I got a lot of specialties. One of them's dry suit diving, which is basically where you're in almost like a space suit. Right? Your whole body is kept dry. It's a helmet and a full waterproof suit. And you wear like mesh shorts or fucking sweatpants and shit in there. You stay dry.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  It's meant for cold water stuff, right? To keep you much warmer?

• 43:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, really cold. It's where, where you base, like, cause you, wet suits really work. And you can get all the way up to like a seven millimeter wet suit and it can be fucking cold, but like ice diving is dry suit and stuff like that. Commercial diving where you're down, you know, where it's like 40 degree water, but you're down there for an hour kind of thing. Anyway, what if there was a foam party, but the foam was like 20 feet high?

• 44:09Matt Farah?

  Everyone's in dry suits. Just like, fuck it.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  This is like outbreak the movie costume party.

• 44:17Matt Farah?

  You're just, you're, you're in a, a dense, but, but movable, walkable. Presumably some type of light penetrates it.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Seems kind of fun.

• 44:27Matt Farah?

  I, that's where I think.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  It's like a clean room party. That's what it sounds like. And like, why, but I'm also here for it. Sure. It'd be kind of fun. Cause you're just pushing through the foam and you just happen upon people. Yeah.

• 44:39Matt Farah?

  What about a foam party in a car? Has anyone ever done that?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  By accident, sure. Maybe.

• 44:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, must be, that must be somewhere.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, that'd be fun.

• 44:50Matt Farah?

  This must be a foam party. So a foam party must have happened in a car at some fucking point.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Larry Casilla did it early when he's learning how to clean cars.

• 44:57Matt Farah?

  Did his car sell? Well, how many days were left? I think there was only one day left.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 45:01Matt Farah?

  I think, I think there was only one day. Um, I just learned, uh, while you're looking for that, I just learned that, uh, that most of my racing equipment is like outdated, like my actual racing helmet and my actual, uh, suit and stuff. Cause I, I haven't, uh, I haven't actually. Oh, it ends in two hours and it's up to 215. Okay. Get that bag, Larry. Um, I haven't actually raced like wheel to wheel in like five years. So I haven't had to like tech my shit. Like my racing suit, your racing suit, when it expires tech, it's obviously not just like instantly not usable, but it, but, uh, I hadn't thought to get a new one. So I, I'm on the, the, the racing team thread. I was like, I need a new suit and other people were like, hey, let's get new suits.

• 45:46Matt Farah?

  And so now it's, we're going to get custom suits. Now.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Which is fun.

• 45:52Matt Farah?

  Which is fun. Apparently, no, but it's, yeah, but remember Johnny came on the show? And was talking about his fancy suit?

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 45:58Matt Farah?

  That he got, apparently he's going to get us discounts from them. So instead of like heinously expensive suits, they're going to be regular price suits, but they're going to have all the goodies.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  On them. So that'll be, I think that'll be cool. So yeah, we'll have new suits, but hopefully it won't be too silly that I can't wear it like later.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  No, uh, one of my favorite racing suit stories, the only one really, is Proving Grounds, season two. Lee Keane shows up, he's got a new custom suit. And he walks up to all of us and it's got, you know, the Proving Grounds logo is kinda 80's like, uh, purple, pink graphics and stuff. So he basically took the names of all the obstacles we'd made and got them at like, at an angle, repeating graphic across the whole suit. So it was like, uh-

• 46:44Matt Farah?

  It's pretty sick.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like the, you know, the deer corner, or whatever we called it, and cardboard alley, and it just said that on the whole thing. We're like, "Oh, that's cool." And then we look closer and he had misspelled one of the words. And we go, "Why did you spell it that way?" And he goes, "What do you mean?" And we fell off the chairs, man. It was the fun- I don't remember what word it was, but we, and it's, you know, and it's printed a hundred times.

• 47:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Like, coming out of his dick. It was so funny. Oh, man.

• 47:10Matt Farah?

  Said the one and only time he ever wore the suit, could he not wear it to get after that?

• 47:13Speaker 01

  No, he still wore it. You couldn't see it. It was really funny. I forget, you know, he wore it for specific cars. Yeah, my suit is like, 12 years old, like Musto gave it to me, but it's still, it's still allowed.

• 47:25Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I bought new shoes, which are in the mail and will get here for Lemons.

• 47:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm gonna get the, the new, um, Google, uh, the New Balance Fireproof Pit Crew Shoe.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 47:36Matt Farah?

  So, I don't know about you, but my problem with most driving shoes is that they're fucking meant for like, Indy cars. Like, I don't want like, little fucking booties just because they need to be fireproof. I drive in sneakers, I wanna keep driving in sneakers. Like, I cannot heel toe in these little fucking booties.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Because they make my foot too narrow.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  Cause I do left side, right side, not heel and toe. So look at these. These are, this is meant for pit crew.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 48:05Matt Farah?

  But this is a New Balance sneaker made of Nomex.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  I kinda wish I'd ordered these to try them.

• 48:09Matt Farah?

  This is the fucking tits right here, dude. Regular ass shoes.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  And you can walk around in them.

• 48:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Cause I feel like driver's shoes, you shouldn't walk much.

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  Dude, when I do an endurance race and I have to wear my Nomex, my racing shoes all day- Because you gotta do uh pit stops if to go over the pit wall, you have to be wearing your shoes. My heels and my knees are so wrecked. It's all concrete. After after twenty four hours of walking on concrete with nothing, I have ordered these and I am so excited.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  This is really like I really wish I had known about this. I just ordered some Sparko shoes.

• 48:44Matt Farah?

  Well, you can return Sparko shoes.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  I can.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  You can return anything.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  These are cool.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  Ask my wife how to return things.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  My brother really exploited Costco for a long time had five years return no matter what and man, he got a lot of new stereos.

• 48:58Matt Farah?

  Hannah and I have a new strategy. She we she finally came it came to a head a couple of weeks ago. And she was like, I think the problem is that I just buy everything anticipating to return it and she does. I mean, she the problem isn't that she's buying too much. The problem is she buys all this shit. She returns ninety percent of it. And then the stuff that she has keeps is only like, okay. And so she's like instead had like a luxury shopping day with G and like tried. You bought more things in person that she thinks will like last her longer, whatever. But anyway. She can teach happily teach you how to return.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  When do these arrive?

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I clicked order like a couple of days ago.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:35Matt Farah?

  Finally, I finally uh. I don't need them until November.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  I'm I'm like really curious because this price is somewhere to the Sparkos I bought, but when you're doing, like you said, at Lemons or these like. You know, you don't have a pit crew. The drivers are all you're on fire extinguisher, you're on fuel, you're helping drivers get in and out and. The racing shoes just like I would like more traction when I'm working around oil and stuff like that, having a little bit of.

• 49:58Matt Farah?

  And more support.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  And more support. Yeah. And the wider shoe, I do the same thing. I do left side, right side because I have a wide foot.

• 50:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Sometimes the, you know, the driver's shoes squish a bit. It's like a ballet slipper.

• 50:08Matt Farah?

  They make, yeah, they make they narrow my foot in a way that I don't I don't actually want. I want my foot to be the shape it's supposed to be.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:15Matt Farah?

  Or the shape of a sneaker and we're racing. Production based cars. They have regular ass pedalboxes, the same as a street car. I don't want to. I don't go drive my street car with little ass racing booties. I'd be better drive. I'm better driving barefoot. Not gonna do that racing, but like, well, like, at least these are much more like my regular sneakers.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 50:35Matt Farah?

  That'll be, that'll be good.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Very cool.

• 50:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, super stoked.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  What a good idea.

• 50:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Finally, fucking New Balance makes a move I'm on board with. Still sour about the, the, the closing down of the customer.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  I guess there's other.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  There are other pit crew shoes, yeah, not just New Balance. It was like Sparko's got one, OMP's got one, but like, yeah, if you fucking drive in endurance racing or track days or whatever, and you don't want a little tiny booty, there are options.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Cool. I'm curious how much like the pedal, what the pedal feels like, so we'll see when they arrive.

• 51:05Matt Farah?

  I mean, I can feel pedals pretty good through regular sneakers.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I'm wondering if they're firmer, because they're, because pit crew, are they, are they more durable, like a hiking boot? Where they're thicker or?

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, that, that's maybe, yeah, maybe. I think, I think it'd be maybe like, kind of like those day hiker type of, type of things. As long as it's not like, it doesn't look like it's a super stiff boot. It looks like it's a sneaker.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Rad. Cool.

• 51:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, anyway, we'll see how it is. Hopefully it works out, and if not, well, back to the fucking.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Hannah can return them.

• 51:39Matt Farah?

  Exactly. Uh, let's go to the people. Uh, patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where you, oh, are we, it's time, right?

• 51:48Speaker 01

  It's time, we're at forty-five. Can I show you one video?

• 51:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, sure, I didn't know you had things, I'm sorry.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  No, no, it's fine. We, we found plenty to talk about, but this, this cracked me up so much.

• 51:58Matt Farah?

  Mustang GT with creative exhaust.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  I wish I didn't have that to give it away, but, uh.

• 52:03Matt Farah?

  This is a, a new edge.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  All right, wait, wait, let me, uh, refresh this so that's, you get the whole thing.

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  Okay, it's the video, uh, safety check on a Mustang GT. There's, it's got a goofy exhaust tip on it. What? Is that off a motorcycle?

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  Two exhausts. So it has one exhaust.

• 52:31Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  This is so funny.

• 52:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Look at the length of that exhaust hanger. It's like eight inches.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  Whoa, it's, the exhaust is tack welded to the sway bar? What the fuck?

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  What?

• 52:59Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, okay, wait, alright, alright, alright, alright. Alright, so what we've just seen is a person with a V8 Mustang GT convertible. And the headers go to the X-pipe or H-pipe, it's the mid-pipe of the exhaust, right? A lot of people, it's where the, where the cats are. The cats come from the hea-, the headers are one piece in these car. And then the cats are the next piece, right? The mid-pipe. And they've just literally welded a cap onto one side. Now, I don't know if there's an H-pipe there so it crosses over? Or if they've fully blocked the exhaust of one bank of cylinders?

• 53:38Speaker 01

  I think the guy would have mentioned it, but it, and it's a square piece of metal that's welded over that passenger side.

• 53:44Matt Farah?

  I don't see the cross, do you see the crossover?

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Uh, I wish, it's hard to pause these things.

• 53:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I, I don't see a crossover pipe.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Maybe I can get it.

• 53:52Matt Farah?

  That's fucking crazy.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Isn't it, like, everything about, and the, the exhaust hanger for the muffler is welded to the can. It's not like on a, on a hanger or a clamp or anything. It's just welded right onto the can, which is polished and then they just destroy it. Uh, and it's also hanging down, I mean, five inches from the bumper, like where it should be sitting.

• 54:11Matt Farah?

  So, when you first showed me this video that shows in the beginning the back of the, this car with this weird little motorcycle muffler thing on it. I thought you were gonna show me a, a, that had like some little puny like Cuba engine in there. You know what I mean? Like, some like Russian tractor engine in there that's just like barely holding this thing together. Not a, not a V8 with half of its exhaust is capped.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Okay, is this a crossover pipe right here?

• 54:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, if that, if that pipe on the right is the capped pipe.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  It is.

• 54:46Matt Farah?

  Then yes, that's the H part of the H-pipe.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  It's a one-inch crossover pipe. And that, so that's all of the exhaust is being shoved through that, that's fucking crazy.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  That must sound weird. And if, if someone knows, if you're listening, like, I mean, all the exhaust is going out the side. So does it all, does it create back pressure on the closed side? Oh, it must be so slow. Terrible. I just thought this was so funny. And it's, this is a perfect example of comedy heightening, Matt. It's like, you think the can's bad, then you think that the, the exhaust pipe resting on the sway bar, which it seems to be like melting into is bad. No, no, no. The end, the finish line is where the magic happens.

• 55:23Matt Farah?

  That's what's funny. You know what it made me think of though? As, when I was a kid, when I was sixteen or seventeen, looking to buy Mustangs. You know, this wasn't before the existence of the internet, but before the modern internet, certainly. I just drove, I drove around with my dad to all the local Ford dealers. That was the first place I went to look for Mustangs. And I got to Rye Ford, which is in, right around the corner from my high school. And I asked if they had any Cobra coupes. That's what I wanted. Do you have any Cobra coupes? No, we don't. But let me, I got a GT convertible. I don't want a GT convertible. Let me just show you. We go out and he takes me to a V6 Mustang.

• 56:08Matt Farah?

  And I go, this is not a GT, this is a V6. He goes, no, it's a GT. And I go, come to the back. I'm sixteen. There's one exhaust tip here. GTs have two. No, no, this is, this is a GT.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Special edition, Matt.

• 56:23Matt Farah?

  Pop the hood and I counted spark plug wires. And I was like, this is a V6. Educate yourself. And like, close the hood. I laughed.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Do you think he was trying to pull one over on you? Or do you think, okay, that's a shitbag?

• 56:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was crazy. I was, it was one of the most aggressive, like, flagrant lies I've ever seen someone tell.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  My favorite sales story, which was not a lie, it was of someone who doesn't know what they're doing, is I went to drive an O2 WRX wagon that was at a Dodge dealership. It had been traded in. And the guy's like, yeah, we can take it for a drive. And we're driving. And he looks up at the sticker window that's right in front of him and he goes, whoa, this thing's all wheel drive?

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Cause the sticker said four all wheel drive on it. And he was being genuine. He had no, he was like, I sell Dodges. I don't know what I'm doing. This was in Colorado. All the Subarus have all wheel drive.

• 57:14Matt Farah?

  When I bought my Volt here in LA and they set me up with the Volt specialist at the dealer. And there was one sitting on the showroom floor. And I opened the door and looked in and it indicated that it had a full battery, you know, the, even when it's off, the battery thing would come up. And I asked if I could power it on and just like poke around the UI and they said, oh, you can't start the car inside. I said, why? And they're like, well, the exhaust, I said, it's, it's electric, it's electric, it's a hybrid assist, but it, it won't turn on. It's electric. There's no emissions. He goes, oh no, we, we can't possibly. I go, you're the Volt expert. You should be emphasizing that you in fact can do this.

• 57:57Matt Farah?

  And I was like, you know, this is like kinda nuts and I, I, you know, I wanted the fucking Volt and there it was. So ultimately I did buy it from this idiot, but yeah, he did not know that you could power this on without the engine coming on. Crazy. Patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast is where you ask us questions for the live stream. And in fact, watch the live stream. You can only watch the live stream if you're a patron. It's also where you get the show the day it's recorded and rather than waiting for the, everything else. You can get it without ads, you can get extra show and a whole lot more. Christian says, I bought a Christopher Ward C63 GMT. Can you get a picture of that, Zach?

• 58:41Matt Farah?

  Would you consider it a homage watch to the Rolex Explorer? First off, Chris Ward makes a great watch. They're the, I was at a, one of these watch shows recently. And I, I tried on a few of their watches. I really like some of what they're doing. And yes, the Selander GMT 36 is, is, is, it's in the style of the Explorer 2, particularly with that stainless steel bezel, which.

• 59:12Matt Farah?

  I gotta say it's awfully copycat-y font on those, on that bezel. Um, it also has the orange hand and the white dial and we all know where that comes from. Uh, doesn't mean it's not a nice watch, but yeah, that's, that is among the more tribute-y watches uh, out there. Um, but it's a still nice watch and so you should enjoy it. And they make some other shit, they're new, the Bel Canto is sick and they have a um, a decompression timer that is really, really cool, fun, summer watch, yeah. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Granny Shiften not double clutching like you should. Uh, says, is the five-year replacement for tires a hard and fast rule?

• 59:55Matt Farah?

  On Michelin's website, it says that tires can go up to 10 years as long as you inspect them annually after five years. I think that's fair, particularly if you're talking about the entire population. If you're talking about an average car kept in ideal conditions and looked after regularly, yes, tires can go longer. You know, if they're, if it's, if the car's kept indoors, if they're not dry rotted, if, if it's a car where like, like for instance, like Hannah's Delica, the car lives inside, it's never driven very fast. We certainly aren't pushing the handling, we're never driving it in snow, you know? They're regular tires, they're Falcon Wild Peak slightly off-road-y tires.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  Um, we put them on on 2019 and I think I can probably get another year out of them, you know, before I replace them. For that event, like, yeah, the tires can go a little longer. If you're driving a high-performance car in high-performance situations, get the fucking good tires, man. Don't, don't push, don't push your tires. I mean, it's, it's a circumstantial thing, like, how important Is it that your tires need to be optimized?

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  I wonder how much, like if you put a tire outside in SoCal where the sun's really intense and the UV's intense, and then you put one outside in Washington. I wonder like if you could time lapse that for 10 years, see how, you know, this one gets more brittle.

• 1:01:20Matt Farah?

  A test that studies that, like.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  I'm sure the tire companies have, so if you work at one, let us know.

• 1:01:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, domesticated Jaguar XJS says the, uh, what are the wildest non-car activities that manufacturer hosted car events? Example, the petting zoo at Camp Rivian? That's the first I've heard of the petting zoo.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:01:41Matt Farah?

  It doesn't surprise me. Is that a made up like joke or is that a real thing? Um.

• 1:01:48Matt Farah?

  You know, I, I, it, I think it, you'd hear about stuff that happened back in the day that was like kinda wild. There isn't like real crazy shit anymore. There's like, in terms of like wildest, it's more like, you would drive one way and they put you on like a seaplane or something to go back or like, I mean, I guess building the yurts in the middle of the desert in Morocco for Dakar is like, that's pretty wild, I guess, but,

• 1:02:21Matt Farah?

  hmm, what else is wild?

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  There's like helicopter stuff, like Lamborghini will helicopter you to Thermal.

• 1:02:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  And which is like an hour long drive at the right time of day and then you drive and then fly back or something like that.

• 1:02:35Matt Farah?

  Not an hour long drive at the right time of day. There's no time of day.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  At 3 o'clock in the morning.

• 1:02:39Matt Farah?

  There's no time of day you can get to Thermal in an hour.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  An hour and a half.

• 1:02:42Matt Farah?

  You'd have to, you have to break every law.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Well, I'm following Matthew's law from the Bible and so I'm breaking the law.

• 1:02:47Matt Farah?

  I just did, I, you know, I, I just really thought Chuck Walla was two and a half hours and Chuck Walla is three and a half hours. Every bit of three and a half hours.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Except for that one time we drove back from there.

• 1:02:59Matt Farah?

  I do recall that.

• 1:03:02Matt Farah?

  That's a fucking long day.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  The Rivian petting zoo was, was real.

• 1:03:05Matt Farah?

  It was?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Camp Rivian, yeah, I found some pictures on Reddit. So it was like, customers could drive cars and off-road and then sure enough, here's a guy petting a mini horse.

• 1:03:16Matt Farah?

  Uh, when I become president of Rivian, I'm gonna have, make sure there's ostriches and emus at every event.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  In every car?

• 1:03:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, when I, when I, when I begin elected. Chris from, oh, Greg Norden says, uh, Mary, okay, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  Mary Barra hires you to revamp the entire lineup.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  All 400 cars?

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  All, all fucking 90 cars.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Do you want to go by size, or do you want to go by?

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  What, what change, alright, how about this, what are, here, let's refine that question to something that's actually reasonable for this podcast. What are three changes we would make to the General Motors lineup? I, uh, well, no one's gonna like them. All trucks are getting smaller. Every single truck is instantly shrunk by 10%, all of them, across the board, every truck.

• 1:04:07Matt Farah?

  We're also, uh...

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  I would continue development of EV.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Which, right now, they're probably not, uh...

• 1:04:13Matt Farah?

  They're, they're, and their EV crossovers are like, pretty nice, like the Equinox and Blazer EV, like, those are pretty nice. Uh, their architecture is good, like, they did the Volt, like, they're, I'd bring back the Volt.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:25Matt Farah?

  I would bring back the Volt, and I would make it awesome, I'd put money into it again. Hybridization is cool right now, everyone understands what a plug-in hybrid is. You could go back and fucking reinvent the plug-in hybrid.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, follow Toyota's model.

• 1:04:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  I would, uh, bring the Camaro back, smaller. Just make it smaller. Don't, don't chase the Mustang in terms of size, which I know would mean it wouldn't sell as well, because it would have a smaller trunk, but it's just, the car got so big, and it was a great thing to drive.

• 1:04:53Matt Farah?

  And, and actually, Greg jokes, after bringing back the Tracker convertible, I, uh, beach cars are hot right now.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  They are.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  I, I think as a, I think doing a, uh, either a neighborhood electric vehicle, uh, and embracing mobility with a Tracker could be fucking with Gen Xers retiring, I think you could sell a lot of those.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  You know what, I, I would just pivot the Blazer hard and go chase Bronco and Wrangler, because we see Broncos, granted, we're in SoCal, but like, that's a beach vehicle, even if it's a capable off-road vehicle, so turn the Blazer back into that.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  Chris from Colorado says, "Just re-watch the ammo video of your Countach detail." That's from like, five years ago, maybe six. "At this point with the full engine rebuild, have you thought of respraying the car so it's nearly a full restoration, and what color would you go with?" When I first talked to Temerian, a year and four months ago, I asked about that. I said, "The car is completely disassembled. It'll never be closer to disassembled than it is right now. Is this the time to repaint the car?" And he said, "A cosmetic restoration on a Countach costs $125,000."

• 1:06:14Matt Farah?

  And, every time, that's what he said what it costs. And, plus whatever, whatever you're spending on the mechanical. And he said, "What would probably happen is, after spending all that money, I would end up with a car that was so perfect, I was afraid to drive it." And he said, "Given that my car is original, and given the fact that I want to keep driving it, I should leave it original, touch up whatever I can't live with, have a fresh mechanical car, and keep driving it. And if I ever want to sell it, look into putting that money in then, because it could probably return 200 on the other end."

• 1:06:58Matt Farah?

  But, I had absolutely no interest in spending that kind of money, nor could I if I wanted to, in this car. And I think there's something pretty cool about having original paint and just keep driving it. The rock chips don't bother me, I don't give a shit. But, they said it's nearly impossible to remove Countach's glass without breaking some of it, and it's fucking impossible to replace. It's nearly impossible to remove Countach's interior without tearing the leather, and it's really hard to replace it with that and get it to match. He said just, he said shit always goes wrong when you start taking them apart, and you end up with insane while you're in there's that just fucking completely spiral

• 1:07:43Matt Farah?

  out of control. He's like, yours is pretty good. You know, it's not a piece of shit. It's like, it's a nice car. Um, you know, you can touch it up as needed and it's fine, but you, if I plan to drive it for the next 25 years, fuck it. It's red gold. If we were to change the color, I would change it to a green gold.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Hmm, that would look good.

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  Like the, like an emerald green with the gold and the tan interior and it would be fucking so sick. Uh, Zach's herniated disc. Dedicated track day car. Dark Horse R versus Cayman Club Sport. The track is Road America. I'm currently driving a modded, heavily modified Cayman. Looking to upgrade to a factory race car for no reason other than fun. That's interesting.

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, didn't we talk to people after we drove the BGB Cayman? Some folks like when you start really pushing these cars, especially with speed and you can fix that with aero, but like their suspension geometry just gets a little bit wonky when you really hit that limit. So I don't, I don't know if that happens with Dark Horse R. I haven't driven one that hard, but I would choose Dark Horse just for sound. It rode America alone. Long straights, big speed. I'd be there all day.

• 1:08:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, I think I'd probably rather have the Dark Horse for Long Road America. The power would make a difference. Um. Cayman race cars are great for, for smaller tracks. Like they're not horrible on the Road America, but like you'd run out of power. Unless he's talking about a GT4 RS Club Sport, which I don't think they, I don't think they are. Um, I would consider, I mean, a, a Dark Horse R is 150 grand. For 150 grand, you could get a pretty interesting used cup car.

• 1:09:38Matt Farah?

  Like, I would, I would sort of skip over a Cayman Club Sport and go straight to cup car. At that point, um, because that money would get you into a cup car. Not one with like pedigree or anything, but you don't want.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  You want that, you want to drive it. Yeah, good point.

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  So like, I would maybe consider that. Um.

• 1:09:59Matt Farah?

  Or if it's literally not going to be street driven ever for 150 grand, you can buy Radicals, I mean Prototype B-type. Now, I totally understand wanting to buy a street-based car, you know, and not a race car, race car, but like it's on the table. It's a lot of money.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  True. Depends on if you're going to trailer it or drive it. And what's great is that at that amount of money, you can choose what kind of driving. Do you want front engine? Radicals, like that's a full aero situation. Mid-engine is going to feel like a crazy go-kart, or you can have a street car experience.

• 1:10:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, I mean, I think that, I think that you're on the right track for sure.

• 1:10:40Matt Farah?

  And man, I mean, the Dark Horse R would be, if you want a pretty, you know, no frills, but also Mustang. I mean, no headache. I'm pretty sure you get a powertrain warranty on it.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Matt Farah?

  For, for Road America, that would be a very good time because you've got big straights. You probably hit, I bet you you hit 140 twice and 150 once at that track in one of those.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because warranty is a good point, which brings up, you could buy someone's cool race car thing, but then you have to maintain cool race car thing. And if the engine's too complicated, finding someone who can service that might be a challenge. So keep that in mind.

• 1:11:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, probably Dark Horse, unless you want to race other, you know, other Caymans specifically. Like those have, those have a place. Everything clean but the ashtray.

• 1:11:38Matt Farah?

  Any advice or discouragement for putting a lift in my home garage? There are some uncomfortably inexpensive options available. Pennsylvania, no earthquakes. I mean, if you have the room and you don't mind, I don't, I don't see any reason against. I wouldn't buy the cheapest one out there, but most of them are kind of the same. Most of them are essentially Chinese products. They use similar hydraulic motors.

• 1:12:10Matt Farah?

  They're similar quality. I just, I wouldn't get the cheap cheapest, but you don't need to buy the most expensive one either, particularly if you don't have earthquakes. But measure carefully, measure very, very carefully, and even if you don't have earthquakes, I would still bolt it to the floor. Like, I'd still do that part of it. But yeah, no, if you've got, if you've got room, go for it, for sure.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Cause you could, if you have a car in the air and then you're pulling your other car in, God forbid you bump one of those corners. Like, you make your own earthquake.

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  Now you have two big problems that are colliding with each other, so.

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:12:47Matt Farah?

  Live Axel Rose.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  I love that name.

• 1:12:49Matt Farah?

  That's very good.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  That one's great.

• 1:12:51Matt Farah?

  Recommendation for a 30K car that will see some track time on a two-mile course in rural Michigan where the pavement is in rough shape, would be driven infrequently, and I don't want to be constantly doing repairs, so reliable is important. Nice if it had a backseat option.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  C506?

• 1:13:13Matt Farah?

  Backseat.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Oh, right, sorry, then Mustang, like 2011, 12, 13?

• 1:13:16Matt Farah?

  Mustangs and Camaros.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  Something with mods on it, with a stock engine, that'll run for a long, long time.

• 1:13:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Spec E46?

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good choice, too.

• 1:13:29Matt Farah?

  Pavement is in rough shape. What car takes bumps really well?

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  I feel like that's really a spring weight, spring, spring weight, spring rate situation, especially if it's like, if it has aftermarket coils, then you have to choose your springs.

• 1:13:42Matt Farah?

  Base Caymans. I'm just talking about base Caymans.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Backseat, though.

• 1:13:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, backseat, you're right. 30K?

• 1:13:50Matt Farah?

  996s. Uh, I really think Mustangs and Camaros are your best options here. I mean, you, you, anything that's a, uh...

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  And you're in rural Michigan.

• 1:13:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Anything 1LE, Mag Ride.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  You know, Mag Ride, you're gonna be able to handle bumpy roads, uh, pretty well.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Dude, if you could get an SS 1LE at that price, that's a great car.

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  And look, stock Mustang GTs, actually, like, a stock one, will ride very well. Even with Performance Pack, will ride very well on bumpy roads. They're meant, they're actually meant for that. Most people, you know, make them stiffer to ride, to handle better, but if you're driving on bumpy roads, they ride really good. Uh, dance of the car voyants. Uh, and update on the inherited C4 LT1 auto. Drove it home and it's surprisingly lovely. The tires are 19 years old with good tread. Holy shit. Are the tires absolutely necessary or in place? If I only plan on driving this thing twice a year with a top speed of 60 and no aggressive driving, the whole trip is about 10 miles round trip.

• 1:14:57Matt Farah?

  You're not gonna like this. Yes. 19 years. 19 years is unacceptable. You absolutely, because it's not hand like here's when the tires that old. The smallest edge of pavement, you're having a blowout. You're not having, if you catch a nail, you're having a blowout. You're not having a regular flat.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  Like dude, if you're gonna have a fucking free car, cough it up and get a set of tires.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Matt Farah?

  Like you got a car for the price of the tires. That's how you think about that. This is, this is your own life.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  That's good boy math, but it's, but it's true. And I'm, I'm glad this person wants to keep it for a bit because I remember they asked the question originally like they're like, eh, I don't know. And they drove it, they fell in love. Great. Just take care of it.

• 1:15:44Matt Farah?

  Look, it's a funky cruiser. Nothing wrong with a funky cruiser, but like you, you cannot roll on 19 year old tires. You just, you just can't, not in a Corvette. Uh, Montana LLC CEO. The board just voted no confidence on him, by the way. What is, was your top automotive bucket list activity?

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Top one? My top one is to do the Baja 1000. Whether, I don't know if I'll ever be rich enough or healthy enough to do that.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Driving the Nervaring is a great second place, like doing a, not even a race. I just want to drive it for like a full day or two and just do lessons and stuff. Oh, and Colorado hill climb. That one in the dirt. That, that seems attainable.

• 1:16:28Matt Farah?

  The wart one?

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  There's wart one that doesn't cost that much money and I just want to run a V8 something that just fires gravel out the back.

• 1:16:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Who do we get a rally car from?

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Well, Craigslist.

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  Shit. Okay. Have to work on that. Can we should we turn my E320 free?

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:44Matt Farah?

  Free 320 into a rally car?

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:46Matt Farah?

  It's a convertible.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Needs an engine.

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  It's a convertible.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, cage.

• 1:16:50Matt Farah?

  I don't.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Lot of cage.

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  Cage convertible, four seater?

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 1:16:54Matt Farah?

  It's not optimal. Not optimal.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  When my engine inevitably explodes.

• 1:16:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. My, uh, my top, top bucket li- it's not a s- one single thing. It's, it's be on the fucking masthead of road and track. And, and then the last, my, my last week, starting nine 11, Monday. Wednesday is a zinger 21C. Friday is Mustang GTD and GT3 race car. That's one week. There it is. Don't, we don't, we don't need to go to the Nervin Ring for that. We do, but that's fun, too. For other people, like Monaco Grand Prix is worth seeing. Car Week is worth seeing. Bonneville Speed Week is worth seeing. An F1 race once.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Daytona 500 once, or Indy 500.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Do rally school. It is so fun.

• 1:17:48Matt Farah?

  Doing a rally school, yeah, yeah. Uh, try, at least try wheel to wheel racing. You know, uh, even at the Lemons level, it's, it's less intimidating.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm doing it next weekend. It's so fun.

• 1:18:02Matt Farah?

  You're racing Lemons next weekend?

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. 28th.

• 1:18:04Matt Farah?

  Where?

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  Uh, Buttonwillow.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  Oh shit, really? And with Luckers team? Oh, fuck. I don't know this. Next weekend. Oh, I'm, I'm gone. When I'm gone. Yeah, yeah, I'm gone. Um, I'm doing all the driving.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, I will not want to do any driving for my.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  We'll see how much driving I do. I've not, you know, hopefully the cars are good and.

• 1:18:26Matt Farah?

  Dude, after last, after last week, the flip, the flip side of last week is, uh, my trainer, Sean. Fucking shout out to him. Fit like Sean on Instagram. Um, at, uh.

• 1:18:38Matt Farah?

  Yesterday when we were training, he was like, dude, your hips and quads and hamstrings are so fucked up.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Super tight.

• 1:18:47Matt Farah?

  And I was like, yeah, all I've done since I last saw you was drive cars, like that's it. And he's like, do people know how bad this job is for your health? And I was like, I think so, but they don't like to hear me complain about that, so I stopped. And I'm like, they're like, he's like, this job is really bad for your health.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like sitting at a desk, but if you lifted your leg a lot, so you're activating the hip flexor more, which just tightens it, tightens it, tightens it, yeah.

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Piggly Wiggly Deluxe says, after driving a few different EVs, they've ruined ICE dailies for me. The delay in throttle, the shifting, uh, and etc. is frustrating. Yeah, yeah. Anyone who's had a daily EV pretty much determines that combustion engine daily drivers are worse than EV daily drivers. As long as you've got somewhere to charge it, it's smooth, it's quiet, you get places a little more relaxed. If you have one pedal drive, you're chilling a little more, very nice. Roof, yellow, lead birder, superb. Uh, if you had free paint to sample coupons with no restriction, what would you buy or build?

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  Now, does this mean free car and free PTS?

• 1:20:05Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Free P, the most expensive PTS I can think of is, is a clear thing on a, a clear carbon on a Pagani.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I was gonna say like 911 ST with something, with some PTS color.

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  But yeah, I forgot that we could go up to like the green, uh, green tinted carbon.

• 1:20:27Matt Farah?

  Green tinted Singer, please.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Singer, yeah.

• 1:20:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, or if it's, if it's, we're talking 911 PTS, South Seas Blue Metallic, please, uh, on the 911 ST.

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  Matt is addicted to cheesing. Uh, once Neuralink is established and proven, would you get it? Absolutely fucking not.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  We need, I think we also need to clarify what established proven means. Like 20 years without any sort of hiccup where no one's brain rejects it and they die. And by then I'll be too old to have it implanted anyway, so.

• 1:21:02Matt Farah?

  I don't even want a fucking Alexa in my house.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  I don't either, yeah.

• 1:21:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we don't, I don't need any of this. No, I don't need, I don't need a connected body. No. Hard, hard fucking no. And not just because it's Elon Musk and he's a fucking shysty grifter. Not because of that.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Let's just say it's not attached to him. It, would you ever like, any chip in your brain if it could do anything?

• 1:21:25Matt Farah?

  No. Do not require this at all. I don't even, I'm not that even, I wore the whoop strap for a couple of months. I don't even like what it had to say.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  I was gonna ask you actually.

• 1:21:36Matt Farah?

  It told me some shit about myself, you can have it. I told, it told me some shit about myself that I already fucking knew.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  It's like a bad horoscope reading.

• 1:21:45Matt Farah?

  I don't need fucking, I don't need da, a bit of data to go, "You're tired, you should sleep more." That, I don't need a fucking thing to tell me that. No. Maybe when there's like, when it, I would one day maybe consider, a couple of generations down the road. I would consider maybe the or, the Oura ring, if it was like, really for like, you know, um, the war, if it could really have like, not like, pick up all the warning signs of like, some really bad shit's about to go down.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Right, blood, blood cell count, cholesterol.

• 1:22:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, some really bad shit's about to go down, you know, and, and you need to know about it.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  Just get a service dog that's trained for that. I think.

• 1:22:30Matt Farah?

  That'd be fucking better, I'd rather have that.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  The only thing I think.

• 1:22:33Matt Farah?

  Can I make a, can I have a service cat that just like, is like, fucking with a bit on the chest when I need to go?

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  You gotta know, it's like the certain, it's not just wanting scratches, it wants your attention to call 911. It'd be hard to determine.

• 1:22:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Uh, the only thing I, it'd be cool if you could just speak every language with Neuralink, but now the AirPods announced.

• 1:22:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Babbelfish.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Well, that, but now they're gonna have like, live translate through, uh, Apple AirPods, which.

• 1:22:57Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Hurts Babbelfish and Duolingo's like, "God damn it", so.

• 1:23:01Matt Farah?

  I would like, I would like to try using that. That, that to me would be pretty incredible.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  I think, I think it'll be like a little clunky, but it's very cool.

• 1:23:10Matt Farah?

  I mean, even just the, the camera one.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:13Matt Farah?

  Google Translate camera? God, I mean, that's a, that's a game changer.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Traveling now with Google Translate, and if I need to ask an important question to an airline agent or whoever, it's so helpful to be able to write and I show it to them and they can help me instead of me gesturing and pantomiming and all that stuff.

• 1:23:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, jacking off the record, uh, I haven't seen this. Thoughts on the new Porsche Design Paint to Sample watch? Um, is it just? Yeah, no, this is, it's not some new thing. Yeah, if you get, if you get a Porsche Design watch paired with your, uh, Paint to Sample car, I think, uh, I don't think it has to be a GT3.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Oh, so they just paint the ring?

• 1:23:56Matt Farah?

  They will paint the, uh, what's called the, uh, the rehaut ring, uh, to match your, your shit. And they'll also give you, I think, a matching strap and I think maybe something on the case back as well is painted. Something else is painted to, but yeah.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay.

• 1:24:12Matt Farah?

  I, I very much like Porsche Design watches. And I, I, I've a bunch of times considered, you know, if the price was right, I would get one of those. But every time I can, I really think about it more, I'm like, when am I gonna wear it instead of what I've got already? And it, it, it never seems to win that equation.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  I think, I, I like this style, what is it, chrono, where it's got like all the different dials and stuff? I, and, but there's so many different places I could get that kind of watch.

• 1:24:41Matt Farah?

  I don't use chronographs. I mean, Porsche Design watches are, they're real watches. They're, they're Swiss made, they're, it's, it's, it's not, it's really the only brand that gets a full-on pass with the car overlap thing.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  I just, they even offered me one at a ridiculously good price at one point and I was just like, I just don't know when I'm gonna wear this thing. But if you want a matchy-matchy on your car, I'm pretty sure Spike got a matchy-matchy on their ST. He got a matchy watch with it and uh, yeah. I think if you go on eBay, you can get these, get those for like, pretty cheap. And, you know, at like, three grand used, now, now we're fucking, now we're talking. I think Ali got a good deal on one used. Uh, Formula One time at Bandcamp.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  So good.

• 1:25:33Matt Farah?

  Wait.

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  Like, it was like, American Pie, where she's like, remember that one time at Bandcamp, I stuck a flute?

• 1:25:37Matt Farah?

  Oh, Formula One, oh, remember?

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Formula One time.

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  Formula One time.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Formula One time at Bandcamp.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  Right, I think if, maybe if the, if he wrote, if they wrote out the word O-N-E, I might have interpreted the joke better. But if you speak it, it's funny. Nice one. Uh, am I familiar with the song Dunebuggy by the Presidents of the United States of America? So, I fucking hate the Presidents of the United States of America.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:26:03Matt Farah?

  That fucking Peaches song is...

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  I listened to that album so much when I was in high school.

• 1:26:10Matt Farah?

  That song really reinforces to me that I could never be a musician, because if I wrote that song, I would then go, "This is garbage," and throw it in the trash. I wouldn't be like, "I need to call a record label now." No fucking way.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  They also might have just written it as jokes and then it just became successful.

• 1:26:27Matt Farah?

  That could happen too. That could happen too. That happened with, um, I just saw it, uh, I just saw a documentary, uh, about,

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  was it the Billy Joel document? I think it might have been Billy Joel documentary, where there was like, the song that wasn't gonna be a big hit, and then it was a big hit, and he was like, "Oh, I have to go make a music video for this now."

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  Well, we, uh, Sarah and I had dinner with Misha Mansour and, and hi- his chick, uh, on Sunday, Sarah. And, we were talking about bands, and they said that one of the stories of Alien Ant Farm was that they all disliked each other so much during their big tour, that they had separate tour buses for each of them.

• 1:27:02Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  And we, my thought was, they were that successful that they could have individual tour buses? So, for a moment, they copied Michael Jackson.

• 1:27:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  The song caught fire, and they went, "Oh shit, we're making loot, like, let's make this work for a year, until we fade into existence." So I wonder if, you know, Presidents of the United States of America did the same thing with Peaches, and they just hit it.

• 1:27:23Matt Farah?

  Maybe. Uh, what would be a good song to play every time your car started?

• 1:27:29Matt Farah?

  So, what's the first song in the alphabet in your iTunes list? That's the one we have to live with most often, right?

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  It used to be Motorhead.

• 1:27:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Ace of Spades. Can't listen to that song anymore, yeah. Well, now I have that song that's a very good song. Do you have that as well?

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  I don't have it anymore, but I know it's just silent, right?

• 1:27:47Matt Farah?

  It's very important, the silent song. That's the best, the perfect song to play when you start your car, is no fucking song at all.

• 1:27:54Matt Farah?

  Still, I still got that same CD in the Vanquish. Track one, Salisbury Hill, Peter Gabriel, gets you in a driving mood. Does get you happy, yep.

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  But, uh, okay, hang on.

• 1:28:09Matt Farah?

  Stiggy Pop says, oh.

• 1:28:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, I recently pulled my dad's 1975 Seiko V out of a drawer, put a new crystal on it and started wearing it. It's never been serviced, but keeps time just fine. Should I spend the quote "value of the watch" on a service? Or let it ride? Do you have a photo of that watch, Zach?

• 1:28:34Matt Farah?

  Here's the thing. The value on that watch is it's priceless. It's your dad's, right? Assuming, assuming there's some kind of connection to your dad that is important about this watch, huh?

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  There's at least one.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, right, but like, like, is it? Is it, did your dad like throw it away? Is it junk to your dad or did your dad die and you're going through his things and you found it like? How special is it? Because, yes, this watch is like not a valuable watch. And it would probably cost you a couple hundred dollars to fully service the watch from Seiko. But it's your dad's watch and like you want to keep it running right now. If it's running good now, do you need to service it preventatively now? No, you could send that watch back to Seiko in Mawha, New Jersey at any time. And they'll have the parts to service that watch. They could service it even if it just is totally seized and stopped.

• 1:29:33Matt Farah?

  So, wear it until it stops keeping good time and then have it serviced. You won't, you won't cause any damage to it by just wearing it. And because, and it's not rare enough that parts won't exist. Like Seiko has all the parts in the world to service that watch. So, it's a good thought. Wear it in good health.

• 1:29:53Matt Farah?

  Construction delay. Construction delay.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:29:57Matt Farah?

  Delay.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  We have a construction delay.

• 1:29:59Matt Farah?

  Delay. Uh, for a young professional, should I get a 996 base with the IMS issues fixed? Or a BRZ TS?

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  Uh, nine, I think 996.

• 1:30:15Matt Farah?

  A 996 provided if it has to be in the shop for something longer than expected for some reason, you still have some other way to get to work.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:30:25Matt Farah?

  Like, taking an Uber for a few days or taking the train for whatever isn't like such a hardship. That's what I'm trying to say. You know what I mean? And also like some costs, because 996 is gonna be a spent of the service.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  That's true. I mean, TS is a lot of fun. It just, like, I don't like it as a commuter because it's loud on the highway. It's a really fun car, and if you're a professional, maybe you already know you're gonna become a Porsche person anyway, so you could just spend a little time with Toyota Subaru before you never go back.

• 1:30:53Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Uh, high sobci-

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  High society?

• 1:30:57Matt Farah?

  Sobci- sobciety. That's like that, uh, Instagram, there's an Instagram, high snob-ity.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, if you were tasked with remaking Rendezvous in LA at 3:00 in the morning, what car would you do it with if you couldn't overlay the sound with a Ferrari?

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Uh, a rally car.

• 1:31:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  A rally car.

• 1:31:20Matt Farah?

  Or like that Totem GT thing. That would be fun.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  That would be pretty cool.

• 1:31:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, and that was soft enough that would absorb LA's imperfections.

• 1:31:28Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Or, I mean, I've said it before, like, the Hunnicorn, you know, lift it a little bit, yeah.

• 1:31:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  You need ground clearance here.

• 1:31:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Because some of the intersections in LA have these huge, you know, dips where like the rain gutters are, and everyone slows down, even crossovers, let alone sports cars. Like, you could take off your oil pan.

• 1:31:47Matt Farah?

  Rally car.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Rally car.

• 1:31:49Matt Farah?

  Hmm, actually, I mean, the real, the real way to do it would be a Mach-E rally. So you could do it like silently, too.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:31:58Matt Farah?

  Just fucking mob.

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  That's the best way to do it and get away with it.

• 1:32:01Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  And then you can't dub the sound, so.

• 1:32:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:06Matt Farah?

  Dre from Houston says, wait, what?

• 1:32:13Matt Farah?

  I don't have an answer for that one, I'm sorry.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  I also think Ronin was intended to have a good, like, they spent money on that car chase.

• 1:32:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, what cars and movies come to mind that end up being heavy in automobile that didn't intend to be? Ronin's not a good example of that, I think Ronin is intended to be.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  I also don't think Bullitt's a good example, like, they, it was like a 12-minute car chase? That was a big focus of that film.

• 1:32:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  The rest of the movie sucks, but that's notwithstanding. But, both of those, they, the car chases were like fixtures and action highlights of each of those movies. I mean, that was the climax of Ronin, was a chase.

• 1:32:45Matt Farah?

  I mean, maybe something like Top Gun, where his motorcycle and, uh, the Porsche 356, you know, did become iconic in their own way.

• 1:32:58Matt Farah?

  Maybe, uh...

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  The Rock, kind of? I mean, The Rock, the car chase was three minutes.

• 1:33:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  And the rest of the film is full of action, of course, but we all remember, you know, Ferrari flying out a window, you know, "You stole my Humvee," all that stuff.

• 1:33:14Matt Farah?

  Pulp Fiction has, is, is certain iconic automotive scenes, even though...

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  The question there would be, do people who are not nerds like us notice the cars in Pulp Fiction? Or is it just us with, you know, NSX and the Wolf?

• 1:33:28Matt Farah?

  Probably just us.

• 1:33:33Matt Farah?

  Heavy automobile that didn't intend to be?

• 1:33:39Matt Farah?

  Hmm...

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  James Bond, I was gonna, no, that's a bad example.

• 1:33:45Matt Farah?

  Incredibly obvious.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Well, some, even the ones that weren't sponsored by Aston Martin.

• 1:33:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, James, yeah.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Fast Five, you know, it intended to be a heist movie, but it actually turns into a car film.

• 1:33:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I gotta spend more time on that one. That's like, the, those type of questions are hard, cause it's like, search your entire brain database for a sort of left-field question.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  You know what would help with that? A Neuralink.

• 1:34:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if I just became AI. Yeah, that's what, that's what, yeah. Why have a podcast? I could just become AI.

• 1:34:25Matt Farah?

  I have, I, like, there's no, like, none of that, like, 80s Spielberg stuff, right? Like, there's no interesting cars in, like, in, like,

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  ET.

• 1:34:34Matt Farah?

  ET or any of that shit.

• 1:34:36Speaker 01

  All bicycles.

• 1:34:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  You know, someone out there is like, some snobby old person with questionable politics probably watches Indiana Jones and they'd be like, you know the Mercedes that they're driving right now was actually like a Nazi sled? Yes, I do. Those are the flags.

• 1:34:55Matt Farah?

  Risky business, maybe?

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely. 928, right?

• 1:34:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. I guess you could have a little John Hughesy in there.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  Uh, was it Weird Science that had the Mondial they got at the end? Is that Weird Science?

• 1:35:06Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, I think, I think so, yeah. I suppose the scent of a woman Ferrari thing, but that, in that, that scene is very much an on the nose.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:35:14Matt Farah?

  Scene about the fucking Ferrari, so.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  It's a good scene, yeah.

• 1:35:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like, like, you'd be looking for a move, like, you're not looking for movies that have interesting cars. It's gotta be a movie where the cars are dull as fucking rocks and somehow become, because the movie one wouldn't be about that. If the movie has interesting cars in it, it's probably because it's a car movie, right?

• 1:35:38Speaker 01

  I think so. It was hard. Like, if the car is a fixture of the plot, like, someone mentioned Ferris Bueller in the chat, that is like, that scene was.

• 1:35:46Matt Farah?

  The Ferrari too, for that, no, that's, that's a central tenet of the plot.

• 1:35:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, his dad getting him in trouble, yelling at him all that stuff.

• 1:35:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, culminating in wrecking the fucking car. That's like Cameron's entire storyline. Is him having to raise up and face his father by, by the forced wrecking of the car.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  I think, I, I, a good example, and this is like articles from back in the day, uh, that would talk about this stuff, is Breaking Bad. Cars were not fixtures of the plot at all, but they were chosen well and kind of provided good articles for folks because it was like, this car was chosen with intention and really supports the character.

• 1:36:23Matt Farah?

  Right. I think to that end, like, The Sopranos is gotta be, every, every character in that show drives the right car. Uh, and most of them are not enthusiast cars at all.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  And there's no car chases in, in that show at all, right?

• 1:36:40Matt Farah?

  Uh, not like. Traditional car. In the very first episode, Tony runs a guy down in a Lexus. Like, a guy on foot, and that's, it's funny.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Keeps working, though, right?

• 1:36:50Matt Farah?

  It's a funny scene.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Lexus keeps going, yeah.

• 1:36:52Matt Farah?

  I don't think we ever see the Lexus again. It's Christopher's car from the very first, from the pilot. But from the pilot to episode two, there's quite a few changes. And I don't think Christopher drives the Lexus anymore.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  What, am I gonna put the fucking murder weapon in the garage?

• 1:37:10Matt Farah?

  Christopher has some of the most bizarre fucking car choices in that show. He drives some really strange. At one point, he has like, his car gets stolen, his like Range Rover gets stolen, and he's rolling for two or three episodes in a Pontiac Bonneville. Really weird. You know, all these goombas driving all these front-wheel-drive Cadillacs.

• 1:37:31Matt Farah?

  Well, folks, I am, uh, I'm getting the fuck out of LA for

• 1:37:37Matt Farah?

  about eighteen days. I'm doing the Road and Track Seaside to Sierra Rally. San Francisco to Reno, across the Sierra. It's gonna be epic. And then I'm going straight to Performance Car of the Year at Thunder Hill. And then, from there, I'm going to play a round of golf at Pebble Beach with my old man as a little, uh, what-have-yee's end of, uh, end of summer special before driving back home. And I'm driving that entire loop in the Audi RS3, so I'm gonna have like twelve hundred miles of RS3 review for you, not to mention P. Cody, which will be fucking sick. That's Performance Car of the Year, for those of you who don't know. Better ax somebody. All right, holy shit, is it twelve forty-five? Oh my god, I have to go. Uh, thanks, guys. Love ya. See you later. Bye.