Kennedy Assassination, Moon Conspiracy and NASA's Lies | Basement: Mike Bara

Mike Bara spent 25 years in aerospace working on Boeing 757, 767, F-35, and classified military programs before co-authoring the New York Times bestseller Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA with Richard C. Hoagland. A frequent Ancient Aliens contributor and author of seven books on suppressed space discoveries, Bara uses his aerospace engineering background to challenge official narratives about extraterrestrial artifacts and secret technology programs. Starting as a Boeing draftsman in 1979, he advanced through experience on compartmentalized black programs, giving him unique insight into defense contracting and classified operations. He connects Roswell, the JFK assassination, and current Congressional UFO hearings, arguing that anti-gravity technology has existed since the 1960s and ancient civilizations left engineering marvels across our solar system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YdL03WdmZs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30AJ Gentile?

  Today, we're talking with Mike Barra. Mike spent 25 years working in the aerospace industry at Boeing before becoming one of the most controversial researchers in ancient astronaut theory. He co-authored the New York Times bestseller Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA, and has since written seven books about NASA cover-ups and evidence of ancient alien civilizations on the moon and Mars. You've seen them over 100 times on Ancient Aliens.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, rookie numbers. And I've been saying this stuff for years, before the History Channel even knew what a lizard people was.

• 1:00AJ Gentile?

  Oh, really?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  Human, I've been talking about this stuff since the History Channel used to do history shows.

• 1:07AJ Gentile?

  Today, we're covering a lot of ground. We're going to talk about Roswell and MJ-12, the Kennedy assassination, and how it might connect to the space program, what NASA may have been really looking for on the moon, and the current state of disclosure, which Mike has some strong opinions about. And I'll tell you right now, Mike connects some dots that I hadn't thought about before. His theory about who the second shooter was in Dallas? That one caught me off-guard.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  There were only two shooters. I knew it more than that. It was basically a CIA assassin convention.

• 1:36AJ Gentile?

  A convention, huh?

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Of course. You know how all those conventioners in Vegas go to strip clubs?

• 1:42AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  Well, didn't these guys in Dallas go to a strip club? Jack Ruby's Strip Club.

• 1:47AJ Gentile?

  Actually, they did.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  Uh-huh. You're welcome.

• 1:51AJ Gentile?

  This is a long one, but it was a lot of fun. I think you're gonna like it. Let's go downstairs.

• 2:02AJ Gentile?

  Welcome, Mike.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me. This is great. I've been wanting to have this conversation with you for about three years.

• 2:08AJ Gentile?

  Same.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:10AJ Gentile?

  Same.

• 2:12AJ Gentile?

  I know you've answered this question a zillion times, but

• 2:17AJ Gentile?

  you started in the military industrial complex.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20AJ Gentile?

  So you were in aerospace. Can you just and make it as long or as short as you want.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:27AJ Gentile?

  But how do you go from working in Boeing to writing bestsellers attacking NASA?

• 2:34Speaker 03

  Well, it didn't sell that well, but it sold pretty well. Well, because I'd always had this interest, right, in UFOs and aliens. And that goes back to the question I usually get, which is, you know, what got you into this? Which is a whole separate thing. But it was kind of like, you know, I was coming out of high school in 1979. Well, what was going on then? The Jimmy Carter Depression.

• 2:56AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  And there were no jobs. And the only job I really could get was a burger flipping job, right? And my dad was a relatively high executive at Boeing, should have been a vice president. There's a lot of, you know, politics in Boeing, just like anywhere else. I lived in Seattle and I went to college for a year. And all I was doing was partying, you know? I just, I wasn't, I was wasting my mom and dad's money. And I didn't think I wanted to be an engineer. So I said, you know, can you just

• 3:27Speaker 03

  how about if you just, can you get me a job at Boeing? And he said, yeah, I can probably get you into drafting class. And back then, you could do in eight weeks, Boeing would teach you in eight weeks what to your associate degree, right? It was the same thing. I got an associate degree somewhere. I don't know where it is. So they got, he got me in.

• 3:44AJ Gentile?

  And drafting would be what, designing?

• 3:46Speaker 03

  Drafting was, no, not really design. It's just simply an engineer gives you a part and you put it on the draft board. And you, you know, you ink it or you use graphite pens on Mylar. And that's how we did it back then. And it gets photocopied into microfiche and print out the paper and, you know, it was really interesting.

• 4:06AJ Gentile?

  We're really dating ourselves.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, we are. I'm old. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to pretend that I'm 45. I am not.

• 4:13AJ Gentile?

  Same.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  But, um, but you know, that's how I got started. So then I'm, I'm working there and then, you know, things go on. You, you start earning a little bit of money. My starting salary at Boeing, $10,300 a year. And I thought I was rich because I was actually, by that time I moved back home. I was living at home. So you're having a good time. You're partying. You meet a girl. I got married. I get a mortgage. And so I become, you know, eventually as you work at a company like Boeing, experience becomes more important than, than college. So you eventually get into design work and stuff. And I worked on all kinds of programs. I started on the 757 when it was a brand new airplane. And that was fun and exciting. And I met some of the most brilliant guys there.

• 4:57AJ Gentile?

  Any classified stuff that you worked on?

• 4:59Speaker 03

  And then I got into, I worked, well, if I go down the list, MX missile, that was, that was classified to a certain extent. So I had some security clearances. MX missile, um, joint unmanned combat air system was classified, F-35, uh, those, those were later. Um, 757, 767, 747, 737, 7 Saudi tanker, whole bunch of stuff. And so you just kind of are doing that. But I always had this interest still in the UFOs and aliens and all that.

• 5:30AJ Gentile?

  Going back as a kid?

• 5:31Speaker 03

  As a, my first memory, my first memory literally is on my parents' black and white 10-inch TV, watching Gemini 6 not get off the ground. Right. Like, then they tried it again two days later. It didn't get off the ground. One time the engine even started and then they shut it down. That's, that's like the earliest memory I have as a kid. So, you know, I didn't watch Star Trek and Lost in Space and get interested in aliens and UFOs. I watched them because I was born that way. So you just get caught up in all this other stuff, being a member of the military industrial complex and believing the whole left versus right, you know, Democrats, Republicans thing,

• 6:14Speaker 03

  until you wake up later. But, but I always had that other thing in the back of my mind that I, I really wanted to do, but just practical life takes over. And wasn't until I was around 30 that I started thinking, maybe I want more than this. I'm interested in more than just this.

• 6:30AJ Gentile?

  Well, how did you leave the industry?

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Uh, I kind of, I kind of got retired.

• 6:35AJ Gentile?

  I see.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Well, no, it was, I was, um,

• 6:40Speaker 03

  By the time we got into the late 90s, early 2000s, I had met Richard C. Hoagland. Can I say his name, Richard?

• 6:48AJ Gentile?

  That's fine with me.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  Hoagland. And we were working together on his website, theenterprisemission.com, and I was writing articles for him about NASA and all this other stuff, because I knew they were liars.

• 6:57AJ Gentile?

  I mean, our audience knows Art Bell's show very well, and Hoagland's appearances were always great.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Legendary, I think, yeah. And so, you know, I was doing that as a side thing, but I was making good money. And one day, though, I would always get in trouble, because I talk a lot. I love to talk. You know that. You love to talk, too. And I finally, somebody once said to me, who was it? Tom DeBolt. He said, dude, he goes, you got this new computers coming out, the innovation of the 3D computers. You're pretty smart. Why don't you go work on that side of the ball? Why don't you get paid for what you used to get in trouble for? And I thought, that's a really good idea. So that became like how I started sort of performing.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Because that's essentially what teaching is, is performing. So I started teaching the software, which paid a lot better.

• 7:54AJ Gentile?

  Which is like what? CAD/CAM?

• 7:56Speaker 03

  CAD/CAM stuff, yeah. 3D stuff. There was a software called Catia, C-A-T-I-A, Computer Aided 3-Dimensional Interactive Application, made by the French.

• 8:04AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Terrible, but it was great to me, right?

• 8:08AJ Gentile?

  Now, when you were writing for Richard, were you still in touch with your colleagues in aerospace?

• 8:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I was still working in aerospace companies. I mean, I think...

• 8:20AJ Gentile?

  Did you tell them what you were doing?

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, they knew. Everybody knows, they check, you know? I mean, I had to get a, I had to get a very deep security clearance in 2012. And, you know, they were asking me questions. I'm like, wow, how'd you know about that? So, everybody know, but I knows and knew all that, but it never got me into any trouble in the business. But it's probably because I just wasn't working on anything important enough.

• 8:45AJ Gentile?

  And then when Dark Mission comes out...

• 8:50AJ Gentile?

  And becomes a bestseller. I mean, you're humble about that, but that was a, that was a New York Times bestseller. Did you expect that to happen?

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Kind of.

• 8:58AJ Gentile?

  You did?

• 8:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:59AJ Gentile?

  You were that confident?

• 9:00Speaker 03

  Well, because, because Richard had access to art first and then George Norrie.

• 9:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  And George was very good to him. And gosh, when that book came out, he was on almost twice a week talking about it. And it just sold and sold and kept selling and...

• 9:16AJ Gentile?

  I bought it.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it was, you know, I mean, I'm not really proud of that particular book. Because it was a very difficult process working with Richard. He's a very, very perfectionist and wants things his way. And I won't go into that too much, but it was not the most easy process of writing. Like, when I got done, finally, I remember I was looking at this computer screen, right? At my apartment back in Seattle, I've now gone back to Seattle. And I'm like, there's this paragraph. And you complain about how I write a little bit.

• 9:48AJ Gentile?

  You write a lot.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  But it was, it was literally two thirds of the page. Okay. And it was not only one paragraph, it was one sentence.

• 9:58AJ Gentile?

  No punctuation?

• 10:00Speaker 03

  There were, oh, no, there was nothing but punctuation.

• 10:02AJ Gentile?

  Oh, God.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  So like, when you complain, you know, when, because I've written a

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• 10:36Speaker 03

  A few things for you guys, and you complain about, I don't use punctuation. It's because of that experience, because Richard used, I mean, literally, colon, semicolon, comma, comma, comma. I mean, anything you can think of, he used in a paragraph, right? And never got to a period, except a period. He didn't use that. And I remember, I remember the publisher, Adam Parfrey, rest in peace, whose father, by the way, was in Planet of the Apes. He was one of the...

• 10:59AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. And Dirty Harry, you know, he's the, he's the, the... Diner owner?

• 11:05AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  At the first scene of your... Anyway, Adam, Adam was like, "This thing is going out at midnight tonight, no matter what state it's in." And I remember looking at that paragraph going, "I just can't do this. I just can't, I just can't rewrite another word."

• 11:22AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 11:22Speaker 03

  And I, the next day, I didn't feel too good. I went to the urgent care and they said, "Well, your blood sugar's 363."

• 11:28AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  So, I don't know. So, anyway, that was an interesting experience.

• 11:32AJ Gentile?

  Well, you may not be proud of it, but a lot of it still holds up and it's still a great read.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:37AJ Gentile?

  So, I mean, I recommend everybody, um, go check it out.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Well, what I mean about that book, it's just for me, like, the prose is not what I would like to be, right? It's not, the words are not the way I would structure them. Cause it was, cause like, Richard has his style and I have my style. And, and I would write a, I would write a chapter and I would send it to him and it would come back sounding like him, which is okay.

• 12:03AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  And then I would send it to the publisher and he would go, "I can't understand any of this." And so then I would sneakily rewrite it without Richard knowing, you know? So, now Richard's gonna know. But, so it was, it's just a really difficult, um, process. So, when I say I'm not proud of it, it's because I, I would've put it together differently and structured it differently. But the information in it, I will stand by pretty much everything in there, still to this day.

• 12:31AJ Gentile?

  I'm surprised at how open you're being about your relationship with Richard, because I wasn't gonna bring it up.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:36AJ Gentile?

  You know, because I, because I know about that rift, but I didn't know how deep it was or if it was healed or...

• 12:41Speaker 03

  I don't think it's, I don't think it's that deep. Like, um, he, he and I, he is the reason I'm doing this, literally. Cause he gave me, he gave me a place to stake out my own territory in this business, right? Which was extraordinarily generous of him. But where it is, is that we were talking about Dark Mission 2 and I said, "Look, I, I don't wanna go through that experience again." So, if we're gonna do Dark Mission 2, and really Dark Mission should've been three books. It should've been a book about Mars, a book about the moon, and a book about the secret societies, which is kinda what I'm doing with...

• 13:17AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  You know, now.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  I just said, I can't go through that process again. I, you need to, you know, give me your part of it. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna rewrite it so people can flow with it better. And, and I'm not gonna send it back to you. I only want your comments for content. Because it, it just took too much out of me. And he didn't want to do that. And then I decided, okay, well, maybe I'll go off and do something else on my own. And that became the choice, which is about physics and spirituality and all that stuff. I kinda went off in a little different direction. I was trying to impress a girl. No, seriously, it's dedicated to her.

• 13:57AJ Gentile?

  Sometimes that works.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  And, um, and then I, Giorgio helped me get on Ancient Aliens.

• 14:05AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, because Giorgio, um, you know, I knew him.

• 14:09AJ Gentile?

  Well, before we get to that, because we, I definitely want to talk about that. How did Richard feel when you went out on your own?

• 14:16Speaker 03

  He got jealous.

• 14:16AJ Gentile?

  He did?

• 14:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and so, but it wasn't any kind of an open rift. Like, I've never said anything bad about him in public, about his work or profession. I don't believe he has about me either.

• 14:26AJ Gentile?

  You haven't said anything bad about him in private?

• 14:28Speaker 03

  No. And, uh, thank you. And he, um, so it's a situation now where like, when something comes up, I'll send him an email and say, hey, we got proven right again. Because there's a couple of things, the Mars title, title model, that I think we've really have held up well for 25 years. And he's fine, he responds to me. But, um, but we don't talk. We don't, we're not like, we don't call each other up once a year. How you doing? How's the kids? You know, none of that stuff. His girlfriend did pass away in 2018. We had some exchanges then. And they were, they were very cordial, but it was a email. And then, you know, I don't think, well, it was last year. I got a phone call and I pick it up and it's him. And he didn't, he didn't know it was me, didn't know it was my number.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  So he accidentally, you know, butt dialed me or something. So it's kinda like, we're at a distance. But for me, it's a respectful distance. Because, I mean, not to be a dick, but when I walk into a room, my feeling is, my ego tells me, you're the smartest guy in this room, Bear.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Except like when I'm around you.

• 15:36AJ Gentile?

  Stop it.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  That could be challenged, that absolutely, but when I'm, but when I'm around Hoagland, I'm like, I am not the smartest guy in this room. He is.

• 15:45AJ Gentile?

  I think that's exciting. That's exciting, isn't it?

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it is, but I'm at, yeah, it would be like, it would be like, I saw, I saw a picture of Bono and David Bowie once, and I thought about Bowie and I thought, what would it be like to go through your life, knowing that at every given moment, you're the coolest person in the room?

• 16:03AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  And it's kind of the same thing. So I just, you know, I'm just like, this guy, this guy is so intelligent and the intellect is just off the scale.

• 16:12AJ Gentile?

  And he was a great communicator.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:14AJ Gentile?

  And getting it across.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  And he could communicate in a way that, that I could grasp, right? Some people say, oh, this guy just goes on and on and on. But it was, it was a UN video. I was working at Boeing and, and the UN video about the face on Mars. I walked by this room and it's a lunch break and there's all my colleagues are in there watching this old VHS and there's this guy talking about the face on Mars. I remember the face on Mars. Didn't they say it disappeared?

• 16:41AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  And he's going through everything and, you know, he would go through and every time I would formulate a question, there's the answer coming out of his mouth.

• 16:50AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I can't wait. We're gonna do a whole show on Mars.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:55AJ Gentile?

  I have sort of a rundown here about going back, Roswell, MJ12, all the way up to Disclosure. But before we get there, do you want to talk about Ancient Aliens? And I, I can't research anything without seeing your face. You're on every show.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Oh, that's awesome. And there's more coming soon, I hope.

• 17:11AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, soon.

• 17:12AJ Gentile?

  So Ancient Alien, we've all seen it's a monster.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:15AJ Gentile?

  And you said Giorgio got you on that show?

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, that's the thing. I've been lucky enough to work for you guys a little bit and contribute something to some of your shows, which I've, mostly it's the hecklefish, you know, the nice beaver thing that was the most impressive stuff, but.

• 17:29AJ Gentile?

  That was, that was a good joke.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  But yeah, it's a cultural phenomenon. It really is. And, and so is this show. And it's like, wow, I'm privileged to be part of two cultural phenomenons in one lifetime. And it was, um, it was just that I had known Giorgio, you know, we'd, we'd go to conferences, we'd drink, you know, and just had a good time. And he was not a, much of a big deal at all. And in like 20, 2009, there were some people that I was working with that wanted to do a 2012 documentary. And it was, I think it was Conscious Life Expo in LA. And I said, hey, Giorgio, you know, we're doing this thing. You want to come on and talk about 2012, right? And so I got him in and, you know, we didn't pay him anything, but we got him in and he didn't

• 18:11Speaker 03

  sat down for an interview for that doc. And then I guess what must have happened is, you know, a year, six months later, he had pitched Ancient Aliens to Kevin Burns and they bought it. And so they did the first season. And then, you know, Philip Koppins passed away, sadly, very sadly, after the first season. And they, they wanted to expand the cast in season two. And I guess he threw my name in the hat because one day I got an email or a phone call, I don't remember. And season two, I'm in the cast. So.

• 18:41AJ Gentile?

  That was very, and then you were a mainstay on that show. So what's it like to be on that? Like, um.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Well, you've done it. You know.

• 18:48AJ Gentile?

  I, I have.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  It's not different than it was then.

• 18:50AJ Gentile?

  I know that. But people watching and listening don't know. So I want to hear your version of it. I've told mine.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Well, you get.

• 18:57AJ Gentile?

  You get there, you have your own trailer and your own staff, right?

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Staff, hair and makeup person. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They, they spare no expense on the hair and makeup, that's for sure.

• 19:09AJ Gentile?

  They spare every expense. Go ahead.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's TV. Isn't, isn't it sad? Like, we both lived in LA for a while. I think you longer than me. Isn't it sad? How, like, how much better everything would be if people were just a little generous? You know, it's like, you don't really have to be, like, why do you have to steal every petty?

• 19:29AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Right? Like, I remember, I remember the Ron Moore and Brandon Braja, who wrote Star Trek: The Next Generation. They were running out of scripts and they came up and down the West Coast and said, we're looking for writers. So I went to one of the shows, right? And I submitted, I submitted a script, which for, obviously, they didn't buy, they didn't buy. But, and so did my brother. And it's like, we each had scenes out of our scripts that appeared. In episodes later that season.

• 19:53AJ Gentile?

  Ooh, I've heard that quite a bit.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  And you know how much, you know how much they would have had to pay us if they'd simply acknowledged that it was our scene and not theirs? Nine hundred bucks.

• 20:02AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Okay, so you have a show that's probably got a 1.7 million dollar budget back in 89 or 90, and you can't pay, you can't just give me 900 bucks and say, "Good job." Anyway, I don't understand that mentality.

• 20:13AJ Gentile?

  What episode was that? I want to look into that.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know, guys. I have to go back and, I have to go back and rewrite it. But no, there's one, Dave's scene was Picard and Beverly having breakfast. And it's like, and it's like literally like, like, you know, the next half season or something. There they are. And I go, "That's your scene?" He goes, "I know." Anyway.

• 20:33AJ Gentile?

  So Ancient Aliens, those shows.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:35AJ Gentile?

  They're, they're fun to do. They're not as glamorous as you might think.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  No, they're not as glamorous. So they, you know, they set up a, they set up a place to shoot. One of the places Ancient Aliens, like, I could probably, you're not probably going to use this, but I'm going to tell you anyway, because it's a hilarious story. One of the places Ancient Aliens uses is a house. I forget exactly where, like, Silmar, it's out, outside of town, where they shoot porn.

• 21:00AJ Gentile?

  Okay, I'm definitely keeping this up.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Not that I ever, not that I ever have watched that, but it was hilarious because I'm, I'm, I don't know, there's some girl, some porn star, right?

• 21:11AJ Gentile?

  Wait, they're shooting porn at this?

• 21:12Speaker 03

  No, no, no, not at the same time. But it's like, three days before, she posts all these pictures of this, of this house. I, I, I don't know, I messaged her and I said, "I was sitting on that same couch yesterday." And she goes, "I hope they cleaned it." Anyway, so they just pick up a place, a location that looks cool, and they, they dress the set, and they do a great job of that.

• 21:32AJ Gentile?

  They do.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  And then.

• 21:34AJ Gentile?

  But look, a day of watching Michio Kaku and porn is a great day for a lot of viewers. Let's be honest.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're not going to use that. But, so they, you know, they sit you down.

• 21:48AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  And you've been given, what is this discussion going to be about? What are we, what episodes are we doing? And usually they have, they give you the questions, most of the time. Not always, but here's the questions we want. And of course.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Unlike most guys, I was actually getting paid to be on Ancient Aliens, which, from the very beginning, which was really cool. And, because a lot of the guys that you see on there didn't get paid.

• 22:10AJ Gentile?

  They didn't?

• 22:11Speaker 03

  No, a lot of the... It was a privilege to be on Ancient Aliens, which it kinda was.

• 22:15AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  I was lucky. They wanted to lock me down, so...

• 22:18AJ Gentile?

  I'm very happy to hear you say that you get the information in advance, because I contribute to The Unexplained, same production company. And I tell the audience, "Look, I get the questions, I get recommended answers, you know, we get it all in advance."

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, they didn't do that. So with Ancient Aliens, it was, "Now, this is what we want to talk about. This is what we're gonna ask you. What's your answer?" And, um, and so then it's my job to come up with a juicy soundbite that they can plug into the episode, right? So that's what I'm focused on, is what can I give you in 10 or 15 seconds that's gonna look really good and feel really good, and they're gonna wanna use? So, um, that's how it works. And you just sit down, and, you know, usually they got all the food there, some snacks, and, you know, I got very comfortable with, got used to the production assistants, and camera people, and producers, you know?

• 23:14AJ Gentile?

  It's fun. It feels like doing TV to me. I'm going back in favor of it, to a couple.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  But yeah, but it, you know, when you're on my side of the aisle, it's FaceTime, so take the FaceTime.

• 23:25AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:26AJ Gentile?

  So, our bookends, at least to me, are 1947 and current disclosure.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:33AJ Gentile?

  What's the best way to approach this, to make this digestible? Do we start at MJ12? Or do we talk about what's going on now? Because I think you and I are a lot of agreement on current disclosure.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  I agree. I think we are in agreement on disclosure.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  I think we start now. I don't know. I feel like I want to start now.

• 23:57AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  With the now.

• 23:59AJ Gentile?

  Okay. And if it feels weird in the edit, we'll switch it around.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Well, the thing is, there's a, I believe there's an agenda, a hidden agenda, available on amazon.com.

• 24:13AJ Gentile?

  Oh, you just plugged the book.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:14AJ Gentile?

  Nice.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  There, I think there's, I think there's an agenda that probably got started back then.

• 24:19AJ Gentile?

  In forty-seven.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  That's leading up to today. Yeah. Maybe we should start in forty-seven. I don't know.

• 24:24AJ Gentile?

  Okay, let's start in forty-seven. Is it the Roswell crash, or is it, because Grush says it's before, and I'm not...

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Well, there were, there were other crashes probably before that.

• 24:34AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:34AJ Gentile?

  But, but I think, but forty-seven is what kicked Truman...

• 24:38Speaker 03

  That's what kicked the national security state, as they call it, into high gear, right?

• 24:42AJ Gentile?

  Right. So what happened at Roswell?

• 24:46Speaker 03

  I gave, I don't know.

• 24:48AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  Okay. I think it might have been aliens. It probably was. But there's another possibility, which, which I gave to you in a script once. And I was like, either he didn't read it, or he doesn't buy it at all. But, by the way, are you related to Giovanni Gentili?

• 25:02AJ Gentile?

  No. I mean, it's possible.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:04AJ Gentile?

  Italians, there's a lot of...

• 25:06Speaker 03

  The father of Italian fascism, right?

• 25:07AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Anyway, so there had been other crashes. There, there are strong rumors and some evidence of a crash in, I think, nineteen thirty-five in fascist Italy, which, I don't remember if you guys have covered that yet.

• 25:18AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 25:19Speaker 03

  And then there's the Cape Girardeau crash in nineteen forty-two.

• 25:22AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Where they say they got the fiber optic technology and all that stuff. But then the key thing is, of course, Roswell in nineteen forty-seven. Now, Roswell was probably aliens, but it might not have been, because as an aerospace guy, I have this sort of aerospace mentality, right? So you have, you have Kenneth Arnold.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Who's flying to Eastern Washington, near Mount Rainier. And he sees five, six, seven of these things skipping around and flying really fast. And he says, it was like if you skipped a saucer across a lake.

• 26:03AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  And flying saucer. But his description starts to bother me because he's like, well, they were wobbling and, and being really erratic and going really fast. And I'm like, what does that sound like? Well, I don't know. And then I saw his sketch, which I'd never seen before. What did he actually sketch? And it's a wing.

• 26:25AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  Flying wing, delta.

• 26:27AJ Gentile?

  It looks like a delta wing.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  It actually looks like, kind of like the bottom half of the war machines from the 1953 War of the Worlds.

• 26:33AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it does.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  It looks like that, even with the little bulbous thing. And I'm like, wow, that's really weird. And then as an aerospace guy, I used to build scale models and stuff. And I thought, and I'd been working on the JUCAS or Joint Unmanned Combat X47B, which was a flying wing.

• 26:51AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  And I remembered the Germans damn near built a flying wing, Horton H0229. And you take the H0229 and you compare it to what he drew and it looks really close. And do you know why flying wings never worked until the B2?

• 27:09AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Because it's an inherently unstable airframe, meaning it wobbles all over the place and it does things you're not predicting and you don't expect it to do. So until we had computer control systems that could micro adjust the elevons, you couldn't really keep a flying wing under control. They were too erratic. So I'm sitting there thinking, well, we didn't have computers in 47, but we did recover this prototype and all the plans and all the scale up plans for this. So if you took those plans and you said, okay, well, this is a really interesting aerospace idea that the Germans had, let's develop this. Let's build some prototypes ourselves and test them.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  And they built five or six of these suckers, right?

• 27:56AJ Gentile?

  And we're, and we're fresh off Operation Paperclip now, right? So let's, let's, let's try it all.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Jet engines?

• 28:01AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  Which is, which accounts for the 1,250 mile an hour speed or so, whatever he said it was. I don't think they were supersonic, come to think of it, but they were fast. They were faster than anything in the air at the time. And it accounts for the wobbling. And then I looked really close at his sketch. And it's like, okay, the HO229 has the cockpit right at the very tip of the spear. This thing that he drew is back 10, 15 feet. Well, do you know how you stabilize an airframe?

• 28:29AJ Gentile?

  How?

• 28:30Speaker 03

  You move the center of gravity back towards the middle. And the armor and weight, the ballast you could put in is what you would put around the cockpit. The cockpit and the wing box are the heaviest, and the empennage on an airplane are the heaviest parts. So I'm like, I think that these are, these are a modification of this German plane. Now, where would you test something like that? Well, in 1947, right now Tacoma, there's Tacoma, Washington is where McCord Air Force Base is.

• 29:01AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  There's millions of people living there. In 1947, there was nobody. It was one of the most isolated regions of the country. So...

• 29:13AJ Gentile?

  Wouldn't, wouldn't it be dangerous to fly experimental aircraft in formation around a mountain?

• 29:21Speaker 03

  You're up there to test. You gotta test it, right?

• 29:23AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  You know, you're not, you don't, you don't, it doesn't do you any good to test if you don't challenge the airframe. You don't find anything out that way.

• 29:32AJ Gentile?

  So you, you think Roswell was an...

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Well, here's what I think. I think they flew these things up there. I think Arnold spotted them. It created a sensation, like the next day, by the time he landed in Yakima, the press was waiting for him.

• 29:43AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  On, based on the radio reports.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  And then I think the military went, holy crap. They saw our German planes. What are we gonna do? Well, where do we have that's more isolated than McCord? How about Roswell?

• 29:57AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Which is even more isolated. So they move it to Roswell. Two weeks later, one of these things crashes in MacBrass, on MacBrass's farm.

• 30:06AJ Gentile?

  Then if, if it's just an experimental aircraft that crashes, and I kind of have my own answer to this question, why bother with MJ12 then? Why create that?

• 30:19Speaker 03

  That's the part that doesn't add up about my pet theory. It's not my pet theory. Somebody else came up with it first, but I went and figured it out and agreed with it. That's the problem. Because if it wasn't an alien spacecraft at Roswell, if it was just an experimental flying wing aircraft, why not in 1994, 1998? Why did they come up with this ridiculous mogul weather balloon? When they could have just said it was an experimental aircraft that we had obtained from the Germans.

• 30:48AJ Gentile?

  Which would have been fine.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Which would have been fine. And the only thing I can think of is the reason is, is either it really was aliens or the reason they didn't go that way is because there was something about the relationship with Nazi Germany and our military that was so incredibly destabilizing that they couldn't afford to go there. So they came up with an even dumber explanation. So...

• 31:11AJ Gentile?

  Now, I have covered this before about Operation Paperclip, famous for 1,200 scientists coming over.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:18AJ Gentile?

  But the real reason for that operation was to bring 10,000 Nazis over to be intelligence assets here.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:23AJ Gentile?

  And they lived here till a ripe old age. That's what that op was. And the scientists, of course, were very useful, but I consider that mostly a cover story.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, we didn't have an American rocket program. We had a German rocket program.

• 31:36AJ Gentile?

  That's correct.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:37AJ Gentile?

  That's correct.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  So then, yeah, that makes me think then why MJ12? Which, you know, I think we disagree, but I believe it definitely existed. And I'm 90% positive it was called MJ12. It was Majestic 12, and that's a real thing. I know Whitley Strieber's had people talk to him and tell him in the military that, yeah, it really existed. They call it something else now, but...

• 32:02AJ Gentile?

  Right. I mean, it's attributed to so many other people. I mean, the list that goes, William Moore, Doty, Shandere, all these people.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Have you read Stan Friedman's book on it, Top Secret Magic?

• 32:15AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  You know, really thorough, really detailed. Yeah. So... Then that brings me back to aliens. But then when you get to the aliens, you know, you have all these people now that, "Oh yeah, my dad, my grandfather was there. He saw the bodies." The bodies didn't come into the discussion until later. If you go back to Stan Friedman's original work on "In Search Of," hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

• 32:38AJ Gentile?

  I used some of that footage.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, they did?

• 32:40AJ Gentile?

  I did.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, that's right. He didn't describe any of that.

• 32:44AJ Gentile?

  Nope.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  And if he didn't know it, who would know it? So it's like, it's like the mythology got built on more and more, and more detail was added to it. So I absolutely know something crashed. I know it was not, I'm not gonna say it was not of this earth, but I know it was not something conventional. And when you put together the timeline of the movements for that episode, which I found absolutely amazing, something huge happened in that desert. Absolutely huge, that they were totally concerned about.

• 33:25AJ Gentile?

  Do you believe the theory that there was a second crash?

• 33:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably.

• 33:29AJ Gentile?

  I do.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Probably. And, you know, it's even possible, some of the very fanciful speculation that, "Oh, well, we were using radar, and they didn't use radar, and it just somehow interfered with their guidance system." That's plausible, too. You know, it's possible that they have some technology so far beyond that, a scaler tech that they didn't, it had never occurred to them, "Oh, we're gonna run into this, and it's gonna mess up our, you know, we're gonna crash." So...

• 33:53AJ Gentile?

  Right, certainly if it's brand-new tech.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  So the stories of the bodies and things could be from the second crash site, and could be conflated with the Brazil.

• 34:01AJ Gentile?

  So do you believe in the theory about the meeting between Eisenhower in '52?

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:10AJ Gentile?

  If you do, and it's cool if you do, but I would, so Bridget, from, we've got Majestic 12, and I think most of us know who those men were.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:21AJ Gentile?

  How do we get to Eisenhower? Because there's a change of administration now, so there has to be some internal disclosure.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Well, you read the original MJ12 briefing document, and it tells him everything. It tells him everything he needs to know. This is the situation. Welcome to the presidency. You know, you don't have to... Not the economy isn't the big problem. The big problem is we've got these people coming here from somewhere else. And by the way, I want to make it really clear. I do, at this point, believe that it was an alien spacecraft of some kind that crashed in or near Roswell. But I think we ought to look at the other theory until we can completely discount it. So that's all I'm saying about that. But how you get there is that he's confronted with all this. And by then, Truman has created MJ12.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  He's created, you know, CIA. They're getting ready to off-forrestal because he's not cooperating.

• 35:19AJ Gentile?

  Oh, he didn't jump out of that window?

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Oh, no. With his pajama drawstrings around his... First, he strangled himself and then threw himself out the window before... Because I'm not dead enough yet. I'm going to throw myself out the window.

• 35:30AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 35:31Speaker 03

  And personal friends with the Kennedys, which is fascinating to me.

• 35:34AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I want to get into that, too.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  And so, you know, this thing... This is when, I believe, the shift started to happen in Eisenhower's administration. When you went through into the episode, you know, the reality is, he was not accounted for during that period. And the dental thing seems... There's no evidence of that, right? There's no proof that says he had any dental work done.

• 35:59AJ Gentile?

  Right. For you guys, that's Eisenhower disappeared for a day out in Palm Springs, and like, nobody knew who he was, including the Secret Service.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:09AJ Gentile?

  And the excuse was, he was at the dentist.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. And I've got such a great other presidential story to tell you about presidents doing that. Not just Nixon, but one about it. W. Bush.

• 36:19AJ Gentile?

  Let's hear it.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  You want to throw it right now?

• 36:20AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  Okay, so in part of hanging around with Hoagland, I met a lot of people that were hanging around him and he had some friends. And God, what was this guy's name? I don't want to get your name wrong, but I don't know. I forget his name, but Phil, right?

• 36:32AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Let's just call him Phil. And he had a girlfriend and they were supporters of Richard and they would hang out in New Mexico. So 2007 or so, I think was the first time I did the Roswell Conference. I'm hanging out with this guy. And he's a normal young guy in his 30s, you know, little bit of a pothead, but he had just gotten back from Europe. And he starts telling a story. And I said, okay, well, what was your story? He goes, well, we went to Renly Chateau where they supposedly have the remains of Mary Magdalene, right?

• 37:04AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  And because we got in, we landed. Well, that's the story.

• 37:07AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Da Vinci Code story.

• 37:08AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  And, um, you know, we landed and, and, you know, I couldn't sleep. Jet lag and all that. So I forget where they were. I don't think it was Paris. I forget where Renly Chateau, but anyway, it was like a two hour drive. So they're wide awake. They decide to drive down to Renly Chateau. It's three in the morning by the time they get there and they're hanging out in the parking lot and they're looking around and they see this other car over in the corner. The parking lot just sitting there. And he's like, oh, I wonder who that is. I don't know. You know, this place is pretty cool.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Shh, car starts up. Lights come on. Car starts driving slowly through the parking lot. Comes around towards them very slowly. The streetlights, the lights in the parking lot flash down. So you can see the driver. Who's the driver? George W. Bush.

• 38:03AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  All by himself, no secret service. And guess what? He was in Paris. That day, that time, for the G7 Summit or something.

• 38:15AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  And I'm like, okay, give me a break, right? But when the guy was telling me the story, he was shaking.

• 38:22AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Because what he had seen had so upset his worldview. Wait a minute, the president slipped away by himself in his own car, drove himself to Red Leachetown, and like you could tell that his whole world was shattered as to what he, how he thought things really worked.

• 38:38AJ Gentile?

  Nah, I mean, there's, I think I just wrote-

• 38:41Speaker 03

  But I believe the guy.

• 38:41AJ Gentile?

  I believe him too. But I just wrote three jokes about why George W. would be by himself in a car. But we won't tell them that.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  You want to write those down before we move on? So Heckelfish can use them?

• 38:51AJ Gentile?

  Do you think, um, speaking of GW, do you think presidents are briefed in? Are they read into this program every time?

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Not every time.

• 38:59AJ Gentile?

  I don't think they are.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Not every time, and they're read into a limited degree. So that's what I was going to try to get to, is I believe that, that the Eisenhower thing was probably when they decided to start holding stuff back from presidents. Because MJ12, I'm speaking of. Because, because the decision, you know, the story goes, you've read the story, that they said, "We're going to offer you a whole new world." But Eisenhower goes back and says, "Well, if we do that, it'll ruin our economy, and we won't have an economy anymore, and we won't be able to sell oil, and we can't do that, it'll ruin our economy." And I think that, that when that was hanging in the air, that MJ12 sitting there going, "Wow." If they reveal, first of all, if they reveal aliens, we're out of business. That's number one.

• 39:43AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Number two, every nefarious thing we've ever done could come out, and then we're probably dead. And I think that that's the point they were like, "This is a risk we can't take anymore." So that's when they started deciding that they were going to exclude presidents. And that's what would make sense why Eisenhower, he probably got less and less information from them as his administration went on, which leads to the military industrial complex farewell speech.

• 40:10AJ Gentile?

  I was just going to ask you about that. Was that a wink? It might have been a wink that these guys are accumulating too much power.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Oh, it was it was more than a wink. It was a direct blunt warning. I mean, absolutely. And also, I think a warning to President Kennedy because Kennedy, you know, knew so much by that time. He probably knew about Roswell already.

• 40:34AJ Gentile?

  And remember Eisenhower told Kennedy, watch out for the CIA.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  For the CIA.

• 40:38AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  And and so he, you know, he knew all that. They were just like, by the time Kennedy gets here, we're going to cut him out. We're just not going to risk because a president is a civilian officer. He can only serve eight years. We can survive eight years. We're just going to cut him out. Now, you contrast that with, you know, Jimmy Carter talking about UFOs and he's going to release all the UFO information he ever did.

• 41:03AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  And then and then the Reagan thing, you know, Reagan told us over and over and over again, there were aliens. How many different ways did he tell us?

• 41:10AJ Gentile?

  Right. So many ways. And we've got this fleet in space that can hold all these people.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  You know, in, I think it was 1992 campaign Reagan, no, it couldn't have been, was it 92? Reagan made four appearances for George Herbert Walker Bush.

• 41:23AJ Gentile?

  Right. That was Bush Clinton.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. He only made four. That's all he was willing to do. One of them was in the state of New Mexico.

• 41:33AJ Gentile?

  Interesting.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Did you know that?

• 41:34AJ Gentile?

  Nope.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Did you? Which is, by the way, I think a state that Bush had locked up pretty easily.

• 41:38AJ Gentile?

  I would think so.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Five or six points. I don't remember. I'd have to go back and look. But it wasn't a wasn't a swing state. And do you know where he made his campaign appearance?

• 41:47AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  On the airfield, Roswell, right in front of the hangar where they brought the bodies in the wreckage after.

• 41:54AJ Gentile?

  Why would he? Why would they do that?

• 41:55Speaker 03

  He's trying to tell you the truth. I think.

• 41:59AJ Gentile?

  Just tell us.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Not to get part not no partisan politics, right? There are three presidents that I believe tried to tell us the truth about aliens and UFOs. Kennedy, Reagan, and Trump. The one thing they all have in common, they all got shot.

• 42:16AJ Gentile?

  Yep. So let's talk about then.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  You're not going to use that, but that's okay.

• 42:19AJ Gentile?

  I'm using all of this.

• 42:23AJ Gentile?

  The JFK/Forrestal connection, I didn't really know too much about that because Kennedy would have been in his twenties.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, Kennedy...

• 42:31AJ Gentile?

  Was Forrestal killed in 47, 48?

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Forty-nine, I believe Forrestal died, or was killed. A lot of that comes from Michael Sala, who, nice guy. He did a lot of this research, and other people did not. There's The Strange Death of James Forrestal. Did you read that book?

• 42:46AJ Gentile?

  That, I read all of Michael's stuff.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  I wish I could read as fast as you guys, I'd be so smart if I could read like that, but I just can't. Forrestal was a friend of the Kennedy family. He and Joe Senior worked together. They were both involved in insider trading on Wall Street, that's how they made their fortunes. But it was legal back then, being Nancy Pelosi, sorry.

• 43:06AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Being Nancy Pelosi was legal back then, another thing you're not going to be able to use. So, that's how they made their fortunes, and bootlegging.

• 43:12AJ Gentile?

  And bootlegging.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  The Kennedys, obviously. So he was a family friend, he played golf frequently with Joe Senior, and he knew the boys, Joe Junior and John, you know? And John, John was the second son, John was the party boy, he wasn't supposed to have to carry the mantle, but Joe Kennedy obviously really wanted to be the first Irish Catholic American president. And he blew his opportunity in WWII when he suggested that the British should just surrender to the Nazis.

• 43:40AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  And ran away from the London Blitz, that kind of ends your political career.

• 43:44AJ Gentile?

  It does.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  And, so it wasn't going to be him. And then when Joe gets killed, it all falls on John.

• 43:50AJ Gentile?

  Who kind of has a kind of a rough start getting started in politics.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, he does, and he's, you know, he, well, I mean, you know, his dad basically bought out the mayor of...

• 44:00AJ Gentile?

  Chicago.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Boston, or, well, the congressional district, he basically paid the guy to quit.

• 44:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  So John could run for Congress.

• 44:07AJ Gentile?

  And there's an argument that he bought Illinois for the presidency as well.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, Illinois and maybe even Texas.

• 44:12AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Illinois and Texas. But that, you know, that was just lower level.

• 44:17AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Shenanigans at that time.

• 44:19AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Well, you know, you've heard the quote, right? You know, "That was an awfully close night, you must have been sweating it out." Joe Kennedy supposedly told a reporter, "I didn't pay for a landslide."

• 44:27AJ Gentile?

  That's fantastic.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  "I didn't pay for a landslide."

• 44:30AJ Gentile?

  That's fantastic.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  No, I don't know if that's verifiable, but supposedly he said that.

• 44:33AJ Gentile?

  So did Forrestal tell John?

• 44:35Speaker 03

  So Forrestal... Kennedy got injured in World War II, the PT-109 incident, which was absolutely real. You know, they once asked him, "How did you become a war hero, Mr. President?" He goes, "It was pretty easy. The Japanese cut my boat in half. That's how I became a hero." Right? But he did a heroic thing. He was badly injured, injured his back, which haunted him for the rest of his life. Went into recovery in Hope Springs, Arizona, where he was served by a nurse, whose name was... I forget her name.

• 45:10AJ Gentile?

  It only matters if he slept with her.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Well, what...

• 45:14AJ Gentile?

  That was just a joke.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Well, no, but you probably already know this answer, right? The story I'm going to tell, you don't know?

• 45:20AJ Gentile?

  I don't think so.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Well, I forget her name. I want to say Victoria or something like that, but it's not. But there was a nurse there that worked there at the hospital, and suddenly, while John F. Kennedy is recovering, she up and leaves, and she moves from Hope Springs, Arizona, to Hope Springs, Arkansas, where nine months later, she gives birth to Bill Clinton.

• 45:37AJ Gentile?

  Wow. Okay. I'm going to look into that.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Now, do you wonder why Ken Starr wanted the blue dress? So he could do a DNA test and find out, is he an illegitimate Rockefeller or an illegitimate Kennedy?

• 45:51AJ Gentile?

  And everybody knows about Clinton and Bilderberg and all that.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I forget. What was Bill Clinton's mom's name? She was a nurse, though. I forget her name. But, anyway.

• 46:01AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  That story apparently connects. But he goes and, you know, he recovers, and then his dad, you know, he wanted a Silver Star. They offered him a Bronze Star. I believe he ended up with a Bronze Star, Kennedy. But, you know, he deserved a star for what he did. He absolutely did.

• 46:21AJ Gentile?

  I think he saved at least one or two of his crew.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Like, three guys. Yeah. I mean, I think he swam two miles to an island with a bit in his mouth

• 46:28AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  of a life preserver. That's amazing heroism. So, not to be, you know...

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Because I don't want to pick on Mr. Kennedy. He did some things that I couldn't have done.

• 46:40AJ Gentile?

  You mean JFK?

• 46:42Speaker 03

  JFK, yeah.

• 46:42AJ Gentile?

  I admire him greatly.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. I didn't always, but I do now. The more I found out about him, the more I admire him.

• 46:48AJ Gentile?

  I'm the exact same way.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. So he does this thing, and so he can't be in the military anymore because his back is too bad. So he gets discharged, he gets his medals, you know, which is critical to Joe because that's going to help him become president, right? War hero, you can be a president. And so what can he do then? He assigns him, he gets him a job, he calls up William Randolph Hearst, his buddy, gets him a job for Hearst Newspapers. Who's he covering? Covering the Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal.

• 47:19AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Where do they end up? They end up in Adolf Hitler's bunker in Berlin, right after the war.

• 47:25AJ Gentile?

  And I think that was a cabinet position back then.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:28AJ Gentile?

  Forrestal, so.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's pictures, of course, of Forrestal, Eisenhower, and Kennedy all together. You know, Kennedy's just a reporter, and I've read his stories. He was a good writer. He was a good reporter, you know? It wasn't like he didn't do his job. And so you're looking at this picture, and there's two future presidents, and the first Secretary of Defense in this one picture. And God knows who some of the other guys were.

• 47:50AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  I think one of them might have been Mountbatten or something. And at that time, they were about a six-hour drive from an area of Poland called Selacia.

• 48:05AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  What's in Selacia? Well, there's a big German rubber plant there. They made rubber seals for tanks and boats, supposedly. But that rubber seal factory in Selacia was using 25% to 40% of all the electrical energy output of Nazi Germany in the last year of the war.

• 48:25AJ Gentile?

  How?

• 48:26Speaker 03

  Because that's where the Nazi bell was.

• 48:29AJ Gentile?

  De Glaakka?

• 48:30Speaker 03

  De Glaakka.

• 48:31AJ Gentile?

  De Glaakka? I thought it was never built. You think it was built?

• 48:35Speaker 03

  Oh, it was built. I'm positive it was built, because that's what the test rig is for. That's what the, you know, we see the test rig, and I believe that they absolutely built it and tested it. And there's some indication, Joe Farrell has a terrific book, Reich of the Black Sun, where he goes through the documents that still exist that really imply, among other things, that they built this thing.

• 48:56AJ Gentile?

  I have to read that.

• 49:00AJ Gentile?

  So did it work?

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Apparently it killed everything within like 100 foot radius.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Like, like, like the crystalline entity in Star Trek: The Next Generation. Like, all the organic life, it was just disappeared, right? Because they didn't know how to shield it. But here's the thing. We get there, we get to that plant, we figure out something weird's going on here. We're looking for Hans Komler. He's died three times already. And we're now at the fourth death. They were only a day's drive away from that. And I think that's when, and I, so they're not going to tell you that. But I suspect strongly that they went to that facility and found a lot of things out about, that's where the alien thing comes into it. And there's, there's a document called the Interplanetary Phenomenon Union,

• 49:45Speaker 03

  I P U report, Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Report. And right in there, it says Congressman Kennedy in 1946, found out about, it's implying Roswell or something like that Congressman, you know, it's implying that it's Roswell from a source in Congress. And I'm like, I don't think that was his source. I think his source was James Forrestal, who would have been read in on all this stuff, which is why he subsequently gets picked for MJ12 as MJ3 in 1947. So, you know, when you go through all this stuff, it's like a lot of it is supposition, but it also, there's sort of a linear structure there, right? So, they go there, they find this, they realize there's aliens.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  And don't forget, you know, Werner von Braun, right? His, his boss, his mentor was Hermann Oberth.

• 50:38AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  By the way, I got a great Eric Von Daniken story. Eric Von Daniken, rest in peace, just passed away yesterday. Wonderful man.

• 50:44AJ Gentile?

  He died yesterday?

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, or actually Saturday.

• 50:46AJ Gentile?

  That's a shame.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Okay. But, you know, Eric used to like to drink three bottles of wine a night. And we're sitting there, we're talking, and he says, you know, I used to own a, run a hotel in Switzerland. And I said, yeah. And I go, so is it true that you met Hermann Oberth one time? And he goes, oh, yeah, he came to my hotel. And I said, did he say anything about it? He goes, yes, I asked him about that, right? So this is 68 or something. So Von Daniken knew him and he asked him, he asked him, is it true? Because Oberth said, how did the Germans get this advanced technology, this advanced aerospace technology, these weird weapons and stuff? And he said, well, we had help. And he was asked, well, who'd you have help from? And he said, the people of other worlds. Sorry, we're slipping into the secret space program here.

• 51:29AJ Gentile?

  But that's okay.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  And he verified-

• 51:31AJ Gentile?

  What year would this be?

• 51:33Speaker 03

  This is like, that Ober- that Ober- had that interview. The conversation, I believe Eric said it was 1968.

• 51:39AJ Gentile?

  Oh, I'm trying to connect it to Dulles in Switzerland. Okay.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 51:44AJ Gentile?

  But that's much earlier.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Well, it may end up working out because I may have the date wrong, but Oberth confirmed that story to him and said, yes, that's true. Now, that gets into the Vril Society and Anunnbi and all that technology and Maria Orsik and all that stuff and the Aldebarans.

• 52:05AJ Gentile?

  And the Thulees.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Thule Society, the Theosophy?

• 52:11AJ Gentile?

  Yes, Theosophy, yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  All that stuff.

• 52:13AJ Gentile?

  M. V. Vatsky.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Where they, because they were, they were like, they thought they were communicating with aliens and they might have been because it gave them some sort of ideas on all this exotic technology, so.

• 52:23AJ Gentile?

  Well, the Vril, I believe, were aliens living in Antarctica, the hollow earth that were giving technology, as it goes.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Allegedly the point, right? So Kennedy, you know, is discovering this stuff. He finds out there's aliens. He becomes curious about it. He's friends with Forstall. Forstall is as read in on this stuff as probably any man could be at that. I mean, if the MJ-12 committee is the top of the food chain, he's getting all the information. And he doesn't think it should be a secret.

• 52:57AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  He thinks people should be told.

• 53:00AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  And he begins to voice this opinion at the MJ-12, you know, pool parties. And he becomes a threat, so.

• 53:10AJ Gentile?

  Is MJ-12 above CIA at this point?

• 53:13Speaker 03

  Oh, way above CIA. See, that's the thing, you know, when we talk about, and we'll get to this when we get to it, the Kennedy assassination, oh, CIA killed Kennedy. No, they were the bag man. They were the muscle.

• 53:22AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  Who gave the order at CIA? Nobody can answer that question because it wasn't CIA that gave the order. Well, I'm pretty sure I know who gave the order. Used to be CIA, so.

• 53:34AJ Gentile?

  I know who you're talking about.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I know you do. So Kennedy, you know, Kennedy's getting all this and he gets into Congress. I mean, his political career shot up really quickly. I mean, he gets elected to Congress in 46 by 1960, he's president. You know, that'd be like, that'd be like Matt Gaetz being president today or something, you know? We'd know what he'd ever heard of him 15 years ago, right? So it's a, it's a meteoric rise.

• 53:57AJ Gentile?

  And he's 42 years old or something?

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Forty-two, yeah. Young man, 43, I think, maybe. Anyway, so he, you know, he, he's connected to Forrestal, he's getting the information. Forrestal is not a guy who thinks it should be kept secret because he's a man of principle. Kennedy is a man of principle. Maybe not in his personal life, but in his public life, his duty as an American, he's a, he's a man of principle.

• 54:22AJ Gentile?

  I'm not interested in any of these men's personal lives.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:25AJ Gentile?

  I'm really not.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Well, only in the context of how it affects, might affect their, their public decisions.

• 54:32AJ Gentile?

  Correct.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Right?

• 54:33AJ Gentile?

  That's different.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Then it becomes relevant.

• 54:34AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 54:34Speaker 03

  But, but anyway, so, you know, Forrestal starts to making too much noise. Well, what, what do they do then?

• 54:42AJ Gentile?

  They commit him?

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Somebody hires our Washington Post reporter, Jack Anderson, who broke the Pentagon Papers, very famous investigative reporter. His boss, his mentor, I think at the, at the Post, basically just starts attacking Forrestal in public. He's mentally unstable, he's talking crazy.

• 55:02AJ Gentile?

  He's drunk?

• 55:02Speaker 03

  He's a drunk, he's probably on amphetamines and all this stuff that they just made up about James Forrestal. And they run him, they just run him down and run him down and run him down and then they institutionalize him. And they probably, you know, they were probably trying to figure out, how do we get rid of this guy? In the sense of, they probably would have cut a deal where if he would just shut up, you know, and drop out of public life, but he probably didn't want to do that, so they threw him out the window.

• 55:30AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  So it's super significant to me that after he becomes president, three months before he is killed, well, a few more in that, Memorial Day, 663, Kennedy goes to Arlington National Cemetery.

• 55:46AJ Gentile?

  Well, before we get to his death, you know, let's take a quick break.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure.

• 55:50AJ Gentile?

  And, and then I'd like to get into when Kennedy comes into office and how he starts to address all this stuff.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:57AJ Gentile?

  So we'll be back in one minute.

• 56:01AJ Gentile?

  So 1960 JFK gets in.

• 56:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:04AJ Gentile?

  Any chance that MJ12 was interfering with that election trying not to get him in there?

• 56:08Speaker 03

  No, I don't think so.

• 56:09AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, there's no evidence of that anyway. There's no, you know, there's no documents. There's no even rumors.

• 56:16AJ Gentile?

  I was just concerned like they throw force.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Did they dislike him more than Nixon?

• 56:21AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Or, you know, look, when you look back on it, I think that, you know, Nixon would have been just the same for them. They would have, they would have tried to keep him out. And obviously Nixon knew something about, about aliens. I mean, the Jackie Gleason story is, I think, absolutely true.

• 56:40AJ Gentile?

  I do too. You, you want to tell that story real quick?

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 56:43AJ Gentile?

  It's a great, it's a great one.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, because, so the story is that, you know, Jackie Gleason was a very famous comedian, entertainer in the 1950s and 60s and even into the 70s in America. He was very famous, well-known and had a, you know, a bunch of big presence on television. And he was friends with President Nixon and they had been friends for a long, long time. And Nixon used to like to, he had the Western White House in San Clemente, but he would also go to vacations in, in Florida at Jackie Gleason's place in Miami Beach where he did his show, Jackie Gleason Show. And the story goes that Nixon wins reelection in 1972. And by the way, the biggest landslide in American history.

• 57:24AJ Gentile?

  True.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  The most popular president in American history.

• 57:27AJ Gentile?

  That's true. They should have never, they should have destroyed the tapes.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  And, exactly. And.

• 57:32AJ Gentile?

  But like, but just like JFK, the more I learn about Nixon, the less I kind of, I like him.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Exactly. The more, yeah, the more I like him too. The more I realize what a, what a great president he was.

• 57:41AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  And America would have been very well-served with either one of those men as president in 1960. But Kennedy had the unfortunate, you know, circumstance of being the guy that won. So, um, the story is, is that he's down on a golfing vacation after the election and he, they're out playing golf with Jackie Gleason and Gleason is into UFOs. He's had a lifelong interest in it. And he asked Nixon, what about, what about aliens? What about UFOs? What do you know about that? You know, Dick, can you tell me anything? Right? And apparently Nixon doesn't answer. The court, now this is all, by the way, according to Jackie Gleason's wife, who told the story after he passed away. And then that night about nine o'clock on the door, door opens.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  It's President Nixon, all by himself, no Secret Service, no driver, just like the George W. Bush story we heard earlier, right? And the Eisenhower story, maybe. Come with me. They get in the car. Nixon drives into an Air Force base, probably Holoman nearby, I'm thinking, drives into a base, get in through the gate, shows his identification, they get in through the gate, they go into a building, it's a warehouse, they go into this back room, all refrigerated, and on ice are what, four or five weird-looking Zeta Reticulon alien guys? And according to his wife, Jackie Gleason, was freaked out about it, absolutely freaked out about having seen this.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  And he carried it with him for days and weeks and months. And I don't, is it a coincidence, do you think, that within a month or two of that incident alleged to have happened, I believe it was February of 73?

• 59:27AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  I believe it, but it's right in that period after the election, before the next term really starts. At the CIA stages Watergate, and all the people involved in Watergate are CIA. Bob Woodward was CIA.

• 59:41AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Uh, pool.

• 59:43Speaker 05

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• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  Who was Deep Throat?

• 1:00:14AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Is CIA? CIA basically stages a coup to get rid of Richard Nixon.

• 1:00:20AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  So Kennedy's into aliens, they shoot him dead in Dallas.

• 1:00:24AJ Gentile?

  Because this is in the middle of Mockingbird and all that as well.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably can't do that again.

• 1:00:30AJ Gentile?

  That never stuck.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  How are we gonna get rid of this guy?

• 1:00:32AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  E. Howard Hunt.

• 1:00:33AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  G. Gordon Liddy.

• 1:00:34AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  All CIA connected. So I think that was the second coup, you know? There may have been other coups we don't know about in the past, but that's, that story is fascinating.

• 1:00:46AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I think, I think you're right about that.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  And I mean, what, Jackie Leeson's wife is lying about it? Because people have said, no, she, I think she told, I think she even talked to a newspaper, didn't she?

• 1:00:53AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, this is, this is a story that's out there.

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. So.

• 1:00:58AJ Gentile?

  So Kennedy comes in and is he read into the program?

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:01:04AJ Gentile?

  He's not.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  I don't think so at all. No, I think that, uh...

• 1:01:07AJ Gentile?

  Joe doesn't have enough pull with MJ?

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  No, because here's, here's the thing, as you look at it, um, Kennedy's first big speech is The President and the Press in April of 1961. You've heard this one, right? Okay, it's called The President and the Press, it's very famous. And in it, Kennedy gets up and he's talking to the press, assembled presses, all these people that he thinks are independent journalists. He believes them to be independent and perhaps back then they were to a certain extent, right?

• 1:01:43AJ Gentile?

  Now I know this speech. Go ahead.

• 1:01:46AJ Gentile?

  Go ahead.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  We as Americans, uh, you know, against, uh, secrets, secret societies, secret oaths, and secret operations or something.

• 1:01:57AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  Which are used or done to basically obscure, in other words, what he basically says, and I don't have the exact quote, but what he says is, um, "We're inherently opposed to this kind of secrecy because the threat that we supposedly are fighting against is never bigger than the threat it places on our democracy." So I think he gets in there, he gets stonewalled. And he then goes to the press and says, okay, I'm gonna go over your head. I'm gonna go to the press and see if they'll help me find out what I want to know about aliens. Cause I'm pretty positive he starts asking about them right away.

• 1:02:36AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, because, because the rebuttal was, oh, he was talking about communism.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  That's nonsense. Secret societies?

• 1:02:41AJ Gentile?

  That's what was the, you know, that was the rebuttal.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. Who are we talking about? The Freemasons, the, you know, those guys?

• 1:02:48AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  Oh, I can't wait for that to go on the internet. And, you know, he's talking about, he's talking about, that's what a secret society is. Everybody knows what a secret society was then. It's, it's like the Freemasons, who by the way, were running the whole show at NASA at that time. Another, another side thing. And

• 1:03:07AJ Gentile?

  And we're gonna do a whole show on secret societies in NASA.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he's not talking about, he's not talking about the Defense Department. He's, he's talking about secret, non-governmental, or extrajudicial, extra, extra constitutional organizations like MJ12.

• 1:03:23AJ Gentile?

  And at the time, he has a reasonably decent working relationship with Khrushchev, no?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Um, they haven't met yet, but they have communicated.

• 1:03:33AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  At, at this point. I mean, probably one of the first things he did was talk to Khrushchev on the phone. But it's not quite there yet. That happens in May, I think, when they go to Vienna. So, um, now we have documents. Ryan J. Wood, or Ryan, Ryan S. Wood, Ryan Wood, his dad was Dr. Bob Wood, who's the guy who hired Stan Friedman into, to investigating UFOs. He was given a $2 million budget in the mid 60s to find out by, I think it was Hughes Aerospace. I may be wrong about that, but to find out about whether UFOs were real, he hires Stan Friedman. That's how Stan Friedman gets started. Brilliant man, just passed away last, about a year ago. Wonderful guy. And I, I just can't say enough about Dr. Bob. Very serious.

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  And they dig up this, this memo, the Bern memo, which I think you probably know about.

• 1:04:23AJ Gentile?

  I do.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Right? And, and the Woods say it's authentic. They actually apparently have the original, which I didn't even know. But apparently they examined the original.

• 1:04:33AJ Gentile?

  I've heard that's out there.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  All on the right paper, the right ink, the right dating, the right style, everything. And in the Bern memo, which I do believe was From like 1963, like September, October of 63. But in there, right there, it says, if this guy, and they never name Kennedy, they never call him the president, they never call him Kennedy, but they say if Lancer, which was his Secret Service code name.

• 1:04:59AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Asks you about our activities or our area of purview, lie to him. It's what it says. If he presses you, bring another member of the committee and we'll both lie to him. That's what it says. So assuming that that was the policy in 63, it was probably also the policy in 61. So of course, we know about what happened with Kennedy and CIA. I don't want to get off, I don't want to forget the Khrushchev stuff.

• 1:05:28AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  But Bay of Pigs, complete disaster.

• 1:05:31AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Kennedy fires Dulles. And so everybody's like, well, that's why CIA wanted to kill him. Well, he fired Dulles from CIA, but he didn't fire him from MJ 12. Because how can you fire a guy from an organization you don't even know exists?

• 1:05:46AJ Gentile?

  Right. Dulles, one of the biggest villains in American history.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Oh, I agree. I agree. So Dulles may have been fired from CIA, but he was still MJ1. And MJ1 was definitely in charge of CIA.

• 1:06:00AJ Gentile?

  Because Dulles does show back up in the JFK story.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Very, very interestingly.

• 1:06:05AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  So, so then, yeah, you know, Kennedy and Khrushchev meet in Vienna and Kennedy's trying to be conciliatory. Khrushchev is a tough, brutal man. I mean, you know, it's not, it's kind of like Putin, you know, there's, there's, sometimes Putin says things and I'm like, you know, I kind of agree with that, right? Khrushchev had that, you know, he, World War II, he did some bad stuff for Stalin. But he also didn't appreciate or like Stalin and didn't want to operate the way Stalin did.

• 1:06:40AJ Gentile?

  So he wanted, he wanted to murder fewer millions.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Fewer millions.

• 1:06:42AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  Okay. Only the really bad ones.

• 1:06:44AJ Gentile?

  Right. That's an upgrade, I guess.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  But Khrushchev came away, because Kennedy was conciliatory, came away thinking he was weak, thought he could push him around. So he puts offensive nuclear weapons in Cuba.

• 1:06:56AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  Or somebody pushed him to do that, but he, he does it in 1962. So at this time, the space race has started. So the thing that Kennedy offered Khrushchev, which is documented, or it's written about. I don't know that it's documented because we don't have the actual paperwork. But he offered him, instead of fighting each other in space, let's go to the moon together. Let's go in unison. Let's cooperate. Khrushchev's like, of course you're gonna say that. We're ahead of you. We've put Top Sputnik first. We got Yuri Gagarin in orbit.

• 1:07:34AJ Gentile?

  First spacewalk, first satellite in space.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  First female in space, first dog in space, all that stuff. Poor Lika.

• 1:07:40AJ Gentile?

  Poor Lika. I think first satellite around the moon.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably.

• 1:07:46AJ Gentile?

  So why would you deal?

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Somehow, the Russians managed to miss the moon by like 37,000 miles.

• 1:07:53AJ Gentile?

  They did.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Which is a whole nother hyperdimensional physics discussion for another time. But how do you miss the moon? I mean, AJ, you're in space. There's no atmosphere. You know what the gravity is everywhere. It's a bullet. You know where the moon's gonna be in three days when the bullet gets there. You pull the trigger. How do you miss it by 18 times the diameter of the moon?

• 1:08:12AJ Gentile?

  The lizard people probably knocked him off court.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  It's not the lizard.

• 1:08:16AJ Gentile?

  We're gonna get to it.

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  That's a side discussion.

• 1:08:18AJ Gentile?

  All right, so Cuban Missile Crisis and Khrushchev realizes, all right, I can't push this kid around.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  Right. He's tougher than I thought. He's smarter than I thought. And the Kennedys, you know, I remember my mom, my mom, my parents were Republicans. My mom didn't like the Kennedys. She called Bobby Kennedy a wild-eyed liberal. That was what she used to call him.

• 1:08:37AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  But, you know, when he died, when he died, she cried for three days. And so it's a different world then.

• 1:08:45AJ Gentile?

  Everybody should have.

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  Everybody should have.

• 1:08:47AJ Gentile?

  68 was a hard year in this country.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  And so Kennedy offers it again, but the Russians are still a little bit ahead.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  And there's a whole, again, hyperdimensional physics story for how Von Braun figured it out. But we were behind because we didn't understand how the navigational physics really worked. We didn't understand our own electrical systems and what they were doing to our ships and all that stuff.

• 1:09:13AJ Gentile?

  And you can hear Kennedy giving speeches to Congress, almost apologizing, saying, "Look, we can't, we're not going to get there. We're gonna be second." I think he specifically said, "No matter how much money we throw at this, we're going to be second."

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  I did not know that. Wow. Thank you for that piece. I should take a note on that one.

• 1:09:31AJ Gentile?

  I don't know if it was in the State of the Union, but it was to Congress, and they were not pleased.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  And, you know, so we have this situation where he again offers it, and Khrushchev again rejects it. So then Von Braun makes his breakthrough, which is like, that's an hour right there. But he makes his breakthrough. We figure out how to use Earth orbit rendezvous and get to the moon and back. We also figure out multi-stage rockets and how to make them work. And so we jump ahead of them. We leap ahead of them.

• 1:10:01AJ Gentile?

  I still don't, I still can't wrap my head around how that leap happened so quickly. Is that part of another story?

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can tell you.

• 1:10:12AJ Gentile?

  Compress it.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Okay, I'll compress it as quickly as I can.

• 1:10:15AJ Gentile?

  Because I can't get my, like, suddenly we can do this.

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  The first six, eight, 10 times, we tried, we just wanted to hit the moon with something. Nobody could hit it. The reason why was because when you have a rotating system in a spacecraft, it pulls energy in from the vacuum. You got, you know, the typical phrase is zero-point energy. Zero-point energy is bullshit. It's pulling energy from higher dimensions is where it's really.

• 1:10:41AJ Gentile?

  Zero-point energy is bullshit.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Well, it's not, it's not, it's not in a physical medium in the three-dimensional universe.

• 1:10:47AJ Gentile?

  Okay, that, well, that's a different way of expressing it.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  It's pulling it from the ether, the hyperdimensional ether.

• 1:10:52AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  Okay, so that's, but it's a subtle difference, but you can call it, I just don't like zero-point energy because it's, the term is not exactly correct. It's hyperdimensional energy. So, so.

• 1:11:02AJ Gentile?

  Okay, I'm less angry, I'm less angry at you now.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  Okay, okay. So how does Von Braun figure this out? Well, again, the first time we tried to hit the moon, the Russians miss it by 37, 38,000 miles, 18 times the moon's diameter. How do you miss the moon? By that much. Second time they try it, missed by 4,000. Nobody can hit the freaking moon, right? Except we're trying, the Russians are trying, we keep missing. Finally, on Ranger 4, we hit the moon. We hit it dead on. How did we hit it? All the electrical systems failed after they shot it at the moon. All of the rotating gyros inside the spacecraft go dead, so it runs in a straight line. Okay, I hate to tell you this about Einstein, but, you

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  know, Albert, space is not curved, okay? What happens is, is that when you have rotation, you pull energy from beyond the ether, right? And that affects the movement.

• 1:12:04AJ Gentile?

  I love how you just casually just threw, it's not curved gravity, is gravity bullshit also?

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  No, gravity's something, I don't know what, there's a relationship between gravity and mass, that's all we know.

• 1:12:12AJ Gentile?

  That's another show we're gonna do, hyperdementia, torsion, all that stuff. So, spacetime, it's flat?

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's flat, but it's not curved.

• 1:12:24AJ Gentile?

  It's not curved, so?

• 1:12:25Speaker 03

  It's not curved.

• 1:12:26AJ Gentile?

  So you just aim it and we hit it?

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you have to have the gyros for navigation. We didn't know that we were pulling energy in, that's what happened with Explorer 1. This is when von Braun started getting really crazy about field propulsion and stuff, because Explorer 1, it ended up like 600 miles higher than it was supposed to. Oh, it was the jet stream, the jet stream is horizontal.

• 1:12:45AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  It's not vertical, okay? So, if anything, it would have pushed it, it would have drained energy from it, right?

• 1:12:50AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  So, von Braun then goes in and he starts, he goes after this guy Jacques L.A., who is an economist, Nobel Prize winning economist that also likes to do physics experiments. He's the guy who in Paris in the 1950s, I'm trying to make this as quick as I can, starts doing experiments with paractonical pendulums, finds out that during an eclipse, they go backwards against the rotation of the earth with, there's nothing in any physics that we claim to understand that can account for that.

• 1:13:14AJ Gentile?

  I love, I love his story.

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  Awesome stuff. So, so von Braun's trying to figure this out, and that was the moment, because when everything went dead on Ranger 4 and it hit the target, that's when he's like, okay, it's got to have to do with the electrical systems. What's in the electrical systems? The gyros, what are they doing, spinning? So they, then, he probably comes up with an empirical solution. I think we had- A mission or two after that where we missed the moon again, but we got closer and then we start hitting it and then that makes Earth orbit rendezvous possible because now you know where the command module is going to be and where the lunar module is going to be to meet up in moon orbit and in Earth orbit. So we suddenly start hitting it. So

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  that was it. Something about that Ranger IV mission, I believe it was Ranger IV, where he figures out there's an empirical solution. We just got to figure out how to work it into the calculations. So then we suddenly leap ahead of them. Because, and it was really interesting because in, I think it's in The Choice, there's this whole discussion about how the only way to get there was direct ascent. Giant rocket, all the fuel, you know, you'll go, you'll land, the SpaceX thing, you come back and you land in the choppers and that was the only way we were going to get there, but it was impossible at that time. Suddenly he changes, there's a meeting, everybody expects him to say it has to be direct ascent. This is 63, 64, Von Braun comes out and says Earth orbit rendezvous in his

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  German accent. I can't do a German accent. I can do David Hatcher Childress. Can I audition for Space Panda?

• 1:14:49AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:14:50Speaker 03

  And David Hatcher Childress's voice?

• 1:14:52AJ Gentile?

  He would be perfect for it.

• 1:14:53Speaker 03

  There's giant balls everywhere. Sorry. All right. Got to stay focused. So Von Braun figures this out and that gets us a way to get to the moon and back. So we leap ahead of them.

• 1:15:05AJ Gentile?

  And I have to assume the Soviets are watching this very closely.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Yes. And they've probably, because they started being successful after that themselves, so maybe they make their own discovery along these lines, or maybe one of our guys told them. Maybe.

• 1:15:20AJ Gentile?

  Our guys have been telling them stuff the whole time.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Well, because they're, because we're probably working together, at least the rocket people.

• 1:15:26AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  And I'm sure the politicians and the intelligence agencies weren't happy on either side.

• 1:15:31AJ Gentile?

  Sure. And certainly, a number of people who were working with Von Braun on V1 and V2, a number of those engineers went to the Soviet side.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. They didn't have it as good as the ones in Alabama, but.

• 1:15:43AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  But they did, they did, you know, do pretty well. So, so then you have this situation where we've jumped ahead of them.

• 1:15:52AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  So Kennedy.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  decides at the UN and he says, I basically propose that we can cooperate in areas where we have not cooperated, foremost among them being space exploration and that we should go to the moon together in unison, Russians and the Americans.

• 1:16:13Speaker 06

  Finally, in a field where the United States and the Soviet Union have a special capacity in the field of space, there is room for new cooperation, for further joint efforts in the regulation and exploration of space.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  Now, that is not popular. No. With Congress, especially Congressman Albert Thomas. Congressman Albert Thomas is the Congressman from Houston. You ever wonder why we launch our rockets out of Florida and then Houston takes over? No. Because Albert Thomas was the President of the House Ways and Means Committee, which spends all the money coming out of the Congress and he said, "Mission control is going to be in my district." They used to call him the Congressman from NASA. Hmm. And his story gets even, well, you probably know, it gets worse. His story is pretty bad. I believe all of it. So, um, then he, he's just attacking Kennedy. There's political cartoons, which were very, they were the memes of the day.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Right. Khrushchev and Kennedy together in a rocket going to the moon. He says, I told, Khrushchev says, "I told you this was going to happen if you kept talking about it." Funny, funny, funny. The whole thing gets shot down politically. At the same time, this is when the Bern Memo is composed. The Bern Memo says, among other things, Lancer, John F. Kennedy, is looking into our activities, which is something we quote, "cannot allow." And then it says, "I need your responses." I think within a week or so, something like that. So this is, there's, there's not a list of people who received this memo, but most people

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  believe, I know, I know the Woods believed, that it's in the hand of, of Allen Dulles, is probably in his capacity as MJ1 to the other 12 members of the committee, or whatever they call it. It might, you know, let's assume it was MJ12 at that time. And they're basically, he's basically saying, "I need your feedback on this." Now, what happens next is even scarier in a way, because what happens next is, um,

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Kennedy, on November 12th, 1963, 10 days before he's murdered, issues the National Security Action Memo, which tells the Director of NASA

• 1:18:37AJ Gentile?

  Tells?

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Tells him, orders him to open an office to begin communications with the Russians about going to the moon together.

• 1:18:47AJ Gentile?

  You guys can look this up. This is NSAM 271.

• 1:18:51Speaker 03

  And then there's of course NSAM 272, I believe, which is more controversial because it, because if NSAM 271 comes from the Kennedy Library, 272 does not. But it is a parallel memo written, apparently the same day at the same time, instructing Director of CIA to all this stuff, the bona fide cases of UFOs, so that the Russians can tell the difference between our secret space programs and bona fide alien spacecraft. Let's call it alien spacecraft.

• 1:19:20AJ Gentile?

  Which strategically is not a bad idea.

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  No, because we don't want to start World War III because they're mistaking ours for theirs, right? But here's the thing, the President's not going to do that unless he already has the Russians' answer.

• 1:19:36AJ Gentile?

  Oh, I didn't even consider that.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  He is not going to, this is literally an order to, as of today, open an office and start exchanging information with our mortal enemies, the Russians, who by the way, just pointed nuclear weapons at us about a year ago.

• 1:19:51AJ Gentile?

  Is there any documentation that shows their side of it? I had never even considered that.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:19:56AJ Gentile?

  There is?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  Yes. You know, in Who It Comes From?

• 1:19:59AJ Gentile?

  Who?

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  Sergei Khrushchev, his son.

• 1:20:01AJ Gentile?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  Sergei Khrushchev, senior fellow at Brown University, I'm not sure if he's still alive, I believe he might be, gave many interviews, several interviews. And he said, "In late October, or early November of 1963, I visited my father at his dacha, dacha, whatever they call it, in Russia, and we went for a walk one evening. And he told me that Kennedy had pushed this on him twice before, and that this time he was going to accept it. He was going to accept the answer. He was going to accept going to the moon together because the Americans had jumped ahead of us, they were more industrial than us, they were more modern, they were going to beat us. And so rather than be humiliated and lose the space race that, you know, we started out winning..."

• 1:20:48Speaker 03

  It's like, the Russians would have been like the Andretti's, you know? How many times were the Andretti's? You know, 10 laps ahead of the Indy 500 and the engine blows up? Oh, well, shouldn't have pushed it so hard, Mario.

• 1:20:58AJ Gentile?

  If that agreement went through, the rest of history changes so much.

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  It had to, it had to, because, because that timeframe is probably a week to two weeks at the most before Kennedy issues his memo. So, the one piece I don't have, which seals this whole thing, would be some sort of official communication from Khrushchev to Kennedy. You know, maybe there's a log somewhere where, oh, there was a phone call between Khrushchev and Kennedy on November 7th. That, that would be enough for me. I would say, yeah, that was when they talked about it.

• 1:21:29AJ Gentile?

  Or if it's a diplomatic cable, then we'll never see it.

• 1:21:32Speaker 03

  Right. If it's a document, it's been deleted or hidden, or maybe somebody still has a copy of it, but, but we don't need that, because the logical chain of events is clear as day.

• 1:21:45AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  So, I don't need that. And Sergei Khrushchev was there, he says his dad agreed to this. So, imagine this, you're MJ12, theoretically it's assumed to exist, you're MJ12, you've got this guy in here you don't like, who's called you out in public to the press, who's trying to get the press to investigate you, who's friends with this guy Forrestal that you knocked off 15 years before, or whatever. He wants, he, like Forrestal, is of a mind to tell the American people the truth about the alien presence, and...

• 1:22:18AJ Gentile?

  While bringing, while bringing our greatest enemy into the fold.

• 1:22:21Speaker 03

  Yes. And, let's go one step further, because what does this crazy guy believe? I believe, looking at thousands of pictures of the moon, that there's an ancient, artificial, there's ancient, artificial structures all over the moon, of an advanced civilization. So, not only that, not only are you cooperating with these guys, you're gonna go to the moon with them. And we're gonna find ancient alien technology. And guess what the agreement's gonna be? We're gonna share that with these same Russians that just tried to blow us up.

• 1:22:55AJ Gentile?

  So we're gonna get there. First, let's do, let's do the JFK assassination. And then we can get into moon landing hoax. What's up there?

• 1:23:04Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:23:04AJ Gentile?

  So it's now we're just a few weeks out of Dallas.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:08AJ Gentile?

  Right?

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, 10 days.

• 1:23:10AJ Gentile?

  So they had 10 days to plan this off.

• 1:23:12Speaker 03

  Right. So what I always say is, you know, I can't tell you absolutely that this is the reason that they ordered his murder. But I can tell you, all I can tell you is 10 days after he issued this memo to go to the moon with the Russians over the objections of his political party, Albert Thomas, all of his intelligence agencies, I'm sure. He was dead.

• 1:23:36AJ Gentile?

  He had plenty, he wanted to pull troops out of Vietnam. They had plenty of reasons.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  Yep. Although I don't think that's a big enough reason to blow a president's head off in public.

• 1:23:44AJ Gentile?

  I don't know.

• 1:23:45Speaker 03

  That's why I disagree with like Oliver Stone. You know, I we can talk about that.

• 1:23:50AJ Gentile?

  But the bottom line is they didn't like him.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  They didn't like him. And again, you know, Richard Belzer, remember him, the comedian?

• 1:23:55AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  He wrote a book once called Nat, what was it called? Shoot, I forget, I forget the name of the book. It's a conspiracy book. But his line was great, and I've used this many times. It's like, it's not a question of who wanted to kill John F. Kennedy. It's a question of who didn't want to kill him.

• 1:24:09AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  The Federal Reserve wanted to kill him. NASA wanted to kill him. You know, the Russians wanted to kill him. The Cubans wanted to kill, I mean, everybody wanted to kill the guy.

• 1:24:19AJ Gentile?

  Who killed him?

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  MJ12 on orders with through CIA become the muscle.

• 1:24:23AJ Gentile?

  So who is, who are the trigger men?

• 1:24:25Speaker 03

  You got 10 days to plan this.

• 1:24:27AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:24:28Speaker 03

  What's the, you know, the Kennedy assassination is a mess. There are so many loose ends. There are so many holes. There are so many things that don't add up. Doesn't that seem like an operation that was pulled together in like, I don't know, 10 days?

• 1:24:41AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it does.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  So I think the response on the memo, the burn memo was probably, okay, we gotta get rid of this guy. Once he issues those NASMs, that was, he signed his own death warrant when he issued those.

• 1:24:52AJ Gentile?

  Was the burn memo the one that alluded to sort of a wet?

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, the wet works operations and all these the the false flags and all of that. It's very extensive, but the part of it that's critical for my case is the part about JFK. And and, you know, him inquiring about their activities. So it's like it's like the deep state owners manual.

• 1:25:14AJ Gentile?

  It kind of is.

• 1:25:15Speaker 03

  It really is. So this has all the markings of a thrown together operation. Oh, we got, we got to get this guy. How are we going to get this guy? When are we going to get him? Well, he's going to come to Dallas. Who do we have in Dallas? Well, we got a couple of cops and we got we got this guy Oswald. He's a pretty good shot. Not the best, but he's pretty good.

• 1:25:40AJ Gentile?

  CIA handles him pretty well.

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, we got we got Jack Ruby, strip club operator. We got a few people there.

• 1:25:48AJ Gentile?

  Bagman CIA as well. Sure.

• 1:25:50Speaker 03

  So so that I think is why it's such a mess, the assassination itself. So the trigger men are Lee Harvey Oswald in the 64 window of the Texas School Book Depository and Dallas Police Officer JD Tippett on the grassy knoll behind the big fence.

• 1:26:04AJ Gentile?

  That so that's explosive because I mean, I assume everybody knows this, but Oswald killed Tippett later that day. I allegedly.

• 1:26:13Speaker 03

  Normally, when I do this, do this lecture, I save that part for like the more dramatic moment, but it's.

• 1:26:19AJ Gentile?

  Oh, did I step on your punchline?

• 1:26:20Speaker 03

  It's okay. No, but yeah, that's true. That's true. So.

• 1:26:24AJ Gentile?

  Well, then take us through it.

• 1:26:25Speaker 03

  And and then you have. Okay, so that's what I'm guessing, right? And I'm not guessing. People try to say Oswald wasn't involved. Oswald wanted to be an assassin. He wanted to be a big man. He was a violent man. There's recordings of him teaching not Marina, his wife, but some other girl like English. And he's teaching her words like kill and shoot and murder. I mean, you know, Oswald wanted to be a big shot. He wanted to be James Bond or something, right? And he wasn't. So he was a perfect guy to bring in on this. And okay, so then, you know, you can't have just one shooter. You got to have more than one. But these stories, oh, there were eight shooters and 16 shots fired. There's zero evidence of that. There's evidence of four shots.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Period.

• 1:27:11AJ Gentile?

  Tell me what those shots are.

• 1:27:13Speaker 03

  First shot.

• 1:27:14AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  Either hits the, the lighting crossbar thing there, or just misses the limo entirely, and skips over and hits the guy in the cheek.

• 1:27:24AJ Gentile?

  Okay, know that one.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  Second shot into Kennedy's back,

• 1:27:29Speaker 03

  tumbles, because it goes through soft tissue,

• 1:27:31AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  tumbles through the air, goes sideways into Connolly, who's below and inside Kennedy, which is correct.

• 1:27:38AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  Tears through his ribs, ends up in his wrist, flattened, probably the stretcher bullet, but maybe not.

• 1:27:46AJ Gentile?

  So thi- this is before the, him grabbing his neck? This is before that?

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, so, no, it passes through.

• 1:27:52AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  And then, the, that's, that's a nerve reaction, right? That's this nerve reaction, because I think it severed some of the nerves, it's just like, he just couldn't, he, he just seized up, right? And I think, if you watch as a Pruder film, I believe his fist stayed clenched the rest of time. So, there are people who say that that wound alone probably would have killed him. Maybe not from bleeding, but from the nerves it severed, but I don't know if that's correct.

• 1:28:16AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:28:18AJ Gentile?

  So that's shot two.

• 1:28:18Speaker 03

  So that's shot two. Shot three from Oswald,

• 1:28:24Speaker 03

  probably misses, but, it is overlapping exactly the fourth shot, from the grassy knoll, which is the headshot, which kills the president, right then and there. How do we know that? Because in 1978, the House Committee on Assassinations,

• 1:28:43Speaker 03

  there was a thing called a dictaphone, and it was like a recording device. The, the cops' radios were open, one of the motorcycle cops, his dic- his thing was being recorded on dictaphone, they got that audio, and God knows what we, we could do with that today, if we could get the Congressional Committee to go back over that audio with the enhancement tools we have today.

• 1:29:01AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Um, and they said there's two shots on there, at, virtually simultaneously. By, probably by coincidence, but Oswald's third shot, and remember, there's the, the two guys below Oswald in the fifth floor, they hear bang, click, click, bang, click, click, bang, click, click. Oswald fires three shots. It's pretty clear that Oswald was in the window. But the fourth shot and the third shot are at the same time. Oswald, I don't know what happened to that bullet. It misses. Maybe that's the stretcher bullet. Maybe it hits the back of Kennedy's chair. That's where the, that's where the recent witness says he found the stretcher bullet. The Secret Service guy.

• 1:29:36AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  Now that's just come out after 60 years or whatever. But the headshot comes-

• 1:29:42AJ Gentile?

  That stretcher bullet was immaculate, wasn't it?

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  No, it was, but it was very flat.

• 1:29:46AJ Gentile?

  Was it?

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  As if it had, if it had struck Connolly sideways, that accounts for the flatness of it and the fact that it wasn't, you know, dented in, in the nose. Because it was tumbling. And there, there have been experiments where they show that if you shoot a bullet through soft tissue or simulated soft tissue, that's, it does. It comes out of the body and it starts to do this.

• 1:30:06AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  So, um, so then you have the, the headshot from the, the grassy knoll. And the, well, I'm trying to think of like, what's the next thing we should go with? Okay.

• 1:30:19AJ Gentile?

  Well, we know there are cops on the grassy knoll.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and there are cops on the grassy knoll. There's the Orville Nix film, which shows when the headshot hits, it shows all the cops hit the brakes on the motorcycles. One of them goes up there pointing at the grassy knoll. The other two guys are looking at the grassy knoll, three of them. They get up and they run up the grassy knoll.

• 1:30:38AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  Okay. So what did they find up there? Well, if you, if you were up, if you found another cop, would you think anything of it?

• 1:30:50AJ Gentile?

  Nope.

• 1:30:51Speaker 03

  You wouldn't think the cop was the one who shot him, would you?

• 1:30:52AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  So maybe you found a guy in a cop's uniform up there. But what if he wasn't one of your buddies? What if he wasn't somebody you knew? He'd have to be somebody you knew, or there might be suspicion, right? So who could that be? Well, there is a document that came out in 2017 in the first Trump document release about the Kennedy assassination. And in it, it is a report, it was an FBI memo that states that one week before the assassination, on Friday, that two gentlemen were seen in Jack Ruby's strip club. Let's not call it a nightclub, we know what it was.

• 1:31:34AJ Gentile?

  We do.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  It was a topless bar. Those two people are identified in that document as Lee Harvey Oswald and Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippett.

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  The new document dump, which we just got this last year, there is a record, this is from the 1978 Committee on Assassinations, where they used the early versions of the voice stress analyzer. You know, Ben, what's his name, Ben? The UFO investigator in my brain is, I don't remember. Ben Hanson, sorry. Ben Hanson has his-

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• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  Voice stress analyzer, I can tell if you're lying or not. The early version of that, they asked Dallas police officers, four of them, I think it was four of them. Did Oswald and Tippit know each other? No. Lie. No. Lie. No. Lie. Those guys were never given lie detector tests, but they were given that. So that's in the documentation. So Tippit and Oswald knew each other. Why? Because they were both probably CIA assets. So-

• 1:33:06AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, Tippit was US Airborne.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  And a very good shooter, US Airborne. And he, John Birch Society.

• 1:33:15AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Maybe he didn't like some of Kennedy's racial policies or something. You know, fixing other races and all that stuff, it's possible. Tippit also tells his son, apparently, before he left that day, "No matter what happens today, I love you. I want you to know that." Apparently, that's a true story. But, okay, so how do we know that the guy up there on the grassy knoll is J.D. Tippit? Well-

• 1:33:40Speaker 03

  There's a series called The Men Who Killed Kennedy from 1989, I believe, on Discovery or one of the, one of the, A and E, it was an A and E series. Episode two tells the story of a man named Gordon Arnold. Gordon Arnold had just come out of basic training. His mama lived in Dallas and he had three or four days before he had to go to Alaska for his first military assignment. He's sworn in, he's got his summer uniform on, including his little cap with a little medallion in front of it. And he asks mama, you know, I'm gonna go walk around the city a little bit, having no idea Kennedy's in town. Can I borrow your movie camera? Sure. Here's the movie camera, Gordon. So he goes down, he ends up in Dealey Plaza.

• 1:34:24Speaker 03

  And he's like, oh, it looks like there's a parade or something going on here. So he goes up to the railroad overpass. He claims, a guy walks out, flashes him some ID and says, you're not gonna be up here. He says, okay. So he gets out of the way, goes down over by the corner. Guy says, I told you, you're not gonna be up here. Walks away, goes down, around the picket fence and stands on the grassy knoll, waiting for the parade. He can start to see the cops coming. He says, I look up, and you can watch this video. It's like, to me, it's so convincing, but I start filming and I was like, oh my gosh, that's the president. I'm filming the president here in my army uniform. Bang. Shot goes right past his left ear.

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  So close, he said it was like hot, he could feel it hot. Yeah, he's described it. He crashes, he hits the ground. Sure. Cause he's been trained to do that, under live fire. He turns around, there's a Dallas police officer in the, in the, in the uniform with a rifle, but he wasn't wearing a hat. Interesting point in the description, I'm, he's not wearing a hat. And the guy says, were you filming? Yeah. Give me your, give me your camera. I can't, it's my mama's camera. Give me the film. He gives him the film, the guy leaves.

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  It just how happens that there was a woman on the opposite side of the grassy knoll, taking pictures, and there was another woman taking film. Marie Muchmore and Mary Mormon were their names. Well, the Marie Muchmore film, and I don't know if you've ever broken it down frame by frame. Uh-uh. Okay, we'll do it. Okay. Get the stabilized version, maybe, it's better. Okay. I did it, but I'm terrible at Photoshop. I can't, I can't, like, I can't get, extract any information out of it. What do we see? One of the frames, Kennedy is hunched over like this, and of course, the argument is, did the shot come from the back, or did it come from the front? You can see a spray of red blood coming out of the front of the president's head. His hair is pushed straight up in the front.

• 1:36:31Speaker 03

  The back of his head is perfectly intact. You actually have a frame capture of a point where the bullet from the grassy knoll is partially in the president's brain and hasn't come out the back yet. Wow. And, I mean, I looked at it, and I'm like, I was looking around, like, has anybody else noticed that that's like, a red spray in this one frame? I've never seen that. I think it was 1/18 of a second, so, you know, I don't know, I had to do the calculations, but it's there, and I'm convinced that it's there for real. So that means he got shot from the front. That means whoever was on the grassy knoll is the guy who shot him. And Mary Mormon is taking a picture, standing a few feet away from Marie Muchmore at the same time. It's a Polaroid.

• 1:37:15Speaker 03

  And in 1989, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Episode 2, Gary White and, uh, Gary Mack and John White, two researchers, Kennedy researchers, um, Gary Mack ended up running the sixth-floor depository museum for years. And I, I wanted to go talk to him, I, I never got down there, I think it was 2019 when I was down there, he'd passed away by then. So you, you've been to Dealey? I've been there, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Um, anyway, so we'll get to that. And... So they get the Mary Mormon photograph, they get permission to work with it.

• 1:37:51Speaker 03

  And I think they made a, I think they made a negative, another negative from the Polaroid. And he says, you know, you gotta remember that the spot we're looking at is about a quarter inch on this Polaroid, right? You guys have a Polaroid camera here, they're a little, they're about this big, right?

• 1:38:03AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  Polaroids are about like that.

• 1:38:05AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:38:07Speaker 03

  And there's this, there's the grassy knoll, and there's all the shade, and there's a bright spot. So they start enhancing it. Only, they're not using Photoshop. You know why?

• 1:38:19AJ Gentile?

  Why?

• 1:38:20Speaker 03

  Cause Photoshop doesn't exist in 1989. It's all analog, it's all print and reprint and enlarge and lighten up this section and run it over a lightboard. And they keep working with this. And they get it, and what you see is, you see a guy like a railroad worker. Looks like he's got a hard hat on and a white t-shirt, which is common in those days. You see another man standing there, which when they colorize it, I admit, they colorized it. But it's, it looks like a camouflage uniform. It fits the army training uniform of the day with the overseas cap and the little medallion. And this guy is holding something in front of his face, and he's leaning like this.

• 1:39:04Speaker 03

  That's his, that's Gordon Arnold with his mom's film camera.

• 1:39:07AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  Reacting to the shot. And the guy in the middle,

• 1:39:12Speaker 03

  you see his elbows, you see his badge, you see his epaulet on his arm, which says Dallas Police Force, which matches the uniform of the day exactly. And you see the muzzle flash of the shot. And then, you start looking at the guy himself, at his face. And guess what, AJ? He doesn't have a hat on. Now, keep in mind, when Gordon Arnold said, "There's a guy up there, cop, didn't have a hat on." Nobody had, this, the stuff on the, on the Polaroid was three, four years later. Gordon Arnold did not know that when he testified to this. So, he didn't make it up, he didn't hear the story.

• 1:39:51Speaker 03

  And you can watch, I mean, it's amazing to like, watch his segment, cause when they show him what they did with the Mary Mormon photograph, the guy freaks out, like, "I'm gonna lose him." Anyway. So you start looking at this guy, they call him the badge man. And there's all kinds of nonsense. Oh, if the badge man were really standing behind that fence, he'd have to be 47 feet tall and 2,000 feet back. And it's all just debunking BS. It's like Philip J. class level stuff.

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  But then you start looking at the guy's face.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  And he's got this baldness pattern, you know? That why I, why I don't believe in Star Trek: The Next Generation? Because you can't convince me it's a 24th century and they haven't cured male pattern baldness yet.

• 1:40:32AJ Gentile?

  Keep hoping.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  Wedge shape. Yeah, really. Wedge shape thing.

• 1:40:36AJ Gentile?

  Distinctive.

• 1:40:36Speaker 03

  Distinctive wedge shape, triangular shape.

• 1:40:39AJ Gentile?

  Kind of like a pompadour.

• 1:40:41Speaker 03

  Ears a little bit like this.

• 1:40:42AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:40:43Speaker 03

  Thick, bushy eyebrows. And then you look at a picture of J.D. Tippett. Male pattern baldness, wedge shape, ears stick out a little bit, thick, heavy eyebrows.

• 1:40:53AJ Gentile?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  That's J.D. Tippett. That guy standing on the grassy knoll, the badge man, is undeniably J.D. Tippett. So, sorry.

• 1:41:03AJ Gentile?

  Now, I was just gonna ask if...

• 1:41:07AJ Gentile?

  Have you ever been contacted by any agencies, felt any danger?

• 1:41:12Speaker 03

  No, I'd love to. I'd love to talk to the Assassinations Committee and the UFO Committee because I think I can provide the bridge to bring them together. I'd love to talk to these people.

• 1:41:20AJ Gentile?

  That's not who I'm talking about.

• 1:41:22Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:41:22AJ Gentile?

  I'm, I mean, I mean, people above.

• 1:41:25Speaker 03

  It's out there now, and I don't think they can do much about it. I've been talking about this for seven or eight, nine years now, and other people have picked up parts of it, so no.

• 1:41:33AJ Gentile?

  Why don't, why don't they care about what you and I do? Because we're, we're right on a lot. We get things wrong, but we get a lot of stuff right.

• 1:41:40Speaker 03

  Well, maybe you get things wrong.

• 1:41:43AJ Gentile?

  Well, my-

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  I can't think of anything personally that I got wrong, but you know, it's possible.

• 1:41:46AJ Gentile?

  Your books and my channel are aging like fine wine.

• 1:41:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 1:41:50AJ Gentile?

  Why don't they care about us?

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  You know who Jordan Maxwell was?

• 1:41:54AJ Gentile?

  Uh, the name rings a bell.

• 1:41:55Speaker 03

  Okay, Jordan Maxwell, you'll put, I think you've used him maybe in the show once or twice. I call, used to call him the patron saint of conspiracy theory because he hated the Catholic Church so much. Wonderful man, L.A. guy. Has been exposing all this stuff, the Illuminati, the secret societies for 30 or 40 years. Had some really interesting experiences. I asked him the same thing one time, when I, 2009, 2010, I said, "Jordan, why do they let you talk about that?" And he goes, "You know, I had a guy, agency guy, I asked him that same question. Why do you let me tell people about this?" And he said, "Jordan, we don't care if people hear you. We only care if people start listening to you."

• 1:42:38AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:42:39Speaker 03

  Which means, you've got 5 million subscribers, people aren't listening to you?

• 1:42:44AJ Gentile?

  I just talked to a fish, I don't think they take me-

• 1:42:46Speaker 03

  Just talk to a fish, maybe that gets caught up-

• 1:42:47AJ Gentile?

  They don't take me seriously.

• 1:42:48Speaker 03

  So, so, it's J.D. Tippett, so-

• 1:42:52AJ Gentile?

  It's a good case.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  So, J.D. Tippett, and Jack Ruby, and Lee Harvey Oswald, all meet in Ruby's Club, on Friday. It's all planned out, how they're gonna do it, after the assassination.

• 1:43:06AJ Gentile?

  Before you get there, tell me what you found in film, in the limos behind.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  Okay, so there's a famous photo, whose name escapes me, we can show it, but it's a famous photo of the motorcade.

• 1:43:19AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  And, the president has been shot for the first time, I think, two shots have been fired at this point by Oswald, but, it might be, you know, I'm not gonna base anything on that. The president, you can see in the president's limo, through the clear glass in the front, he's reacting. Jackie has noticed something, she's reaching over, she's got her hand on his arm. "What's going on, Jack?" You can see her little pillbox hat sticking out the top. And, um, two of the Secret Service agents are turned around, looking over their shoulder, back towards the six-floor window of the Texas Schoolbook Depository, so don't tell me shots didn't come out of there, right? People are reacting, other people are not reacting.

• 1:43:59Speaker 03

  There's a guy, standing in the doorway of the Texas Schoolbook Depository, which everybody says is Lee Harvey Oswald. Oliver Stone convinced Anna Paulina Luna that was Lee Harvey Oswald. She went on NBC, and, shouldn't have said that, Anna, you should have called me first. It's Billy Lovelady, is his name, tall, thin guy, looks a little bit like Oswald.

• 1:44:21Speaker 03

  Tulimoes back. Kennedy, Secret Service, Vice President Johnson,

• 1:44:26AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:27Speaker 03

  And Senator Ralph Yarborough. Senator Ralph Yarborough, Senator from Texas, said, "When I heard the shots, I saw a guy up on the hill." He said in front of a wall in one of his testimonies, I think in that show. He also said, he was interviewed about it twice. He said, "Yeah, I saw a guy up there, and he hit the deck as soon as the shot went off." He goes, "And I said to myself, 'Well, there's a well-trained infantryman.'" You know, you hear shots, you hit the deck. So, a US Senator also witnessed, obviously, Gordon Arnold on the grassy knoll hitting the deck when the shot went off just past his ear. So, we have that. But the interesting thing is, he's sharing that limousine

• 1:45:12Speaker 03

  with Lady Bird Johnson in the middle and Lyndon Baines Johnson on the right. Except, in this picture, after they have turned on to Main Street there, you don't see LBJ. You see Senator Yarborough. You see Lady Bird, and you see an empty seat. Where's LBJ? I'll tell you. He knew LBJ did not plan this. You know, Roger Stone, I'm sorry, you're wrong. LBJ did not plan this. LBJ was not involved in the details, but he knew, when they rounded that corner, that shiz was gonna start flying.

• 1:45:49AJ Gentile?

  He did.

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  And that's what a great guy LBJ was. He left his wife.

• 1:45:54AJ Gentile?

  Left his wife.

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:56AJ Gentile?

  Like, "I can kill two birds with one stone."

• 1:45:57Speaker 03

  So, warning to Jen, if you're ever driving along in AJ Dux, Jen, duck, okay? Just duck. So, you know, and then there's so many other things. Did you know, for instance, that they've completely remodeled the White House, the Oval Office, when he went to Dallas?

• 1:46:11AJ Gentile?

  I did know that, but go on.

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  That they remodeled it and took out the beautiful blue-gray carpet that Eisenhower had left to President Kennedy, and replaced it with a blood-red carpet and blood-red drapes. And Lady Bird Johnson oversaw that. They were gonna surprise the President when he got back. And then, of course... LBJ, you know, when he got back, oh, he decided to keep John F. Kennedy's rocking chair. It's literally pure Masonry. It's pure Masonic symbolism. I am bathing in the blood of the king that I killed while sitting on his throne. Sure. And so there's all that stuff involved in it.

• 1:46:54Speaker 03

  But I've been there and I looked around. And this is not just my theory. It's pieced together from other people's theories and mine. And well, first of all, the next thing that happens after the assassination is Oswald bugs out. Tippit is observed waiting somewhere out of his patrol zone. And there's other stuff too with the railroad behind the railroad. There's a bunch of cool stuff in there that I'm going to add to this whole milieu eventually. But Tippit is agitated. Tippit's calling. Nobody's answering. He finally gets off and drives away. He drives around until he finds Lee Harvey Oswald. He gets out, he confronts Oswald, Oswald shoots him dead. Yeah. So.

• 1:47:37Speaker 03

  Do you think Oswald had orders to do that? Yes. Oswald, Oswald, Ruby and Tippit meet in the club on Friday. Oswald and Tippit kill the president. Oswald kills Tippit. Ruby kills Oswald. Jack Ruby is a single point failure and he never really talked, although he made allusions to talking about it. Sure. But he never did. And he died of cancer a few years later. Yep. Right? So it's all a nicely neatly wrapped up package. Now, I've been to there. I've been there and I, obviously, we had Alien Con in Dallas, great event. And they were like, don't talk about the Kennedy assassination. So you know what I did? Yeah, can you believe that?

• 1:48:20Speaker 03

  And so, and so, and so I said, so they're like, you can't talk about Kennedy. So I, my presentation was, you know, the deep state and majestic 12 and the secret space program. So of course I just gave them the Kennedy presentation. Of course. And right in Dallas, literally AJ, I'm like quarter mile, half a mile from where it all happened in this hotel. You have to. So. The audience wants to hear that. Yeah. And I went over there and, you know, they won't let you right in the sniper's nest, but you can be in the window right next to it. Yep. And, you know, I'm not, I'm not a marksman, at least with a rifle. A good marksman, I guarantee you, I know several people who are, they could have made the shots from there. I went to the grassy knoll, stood right where the badge man was. It's a three-foot tall fence.

• 1:49:02AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:03Speaker 03

  I am no marksman. At less than 10 miles an hour, I could have made that shot. I might have even gone for the headshot, because it's just so easy, so easy. Jesus, it's...

• 1:49:14AJ Gentile?

  Part of the story that bothers a lot of people, including me, is that motorcade, they may have even stopped.

• 1:49:21Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:22AJ Gentile?

  That doesn't sound like protocol, or even slowing down.

• 1:49:25Speaker 03

  I think, well, here's the thing. You have to understand, so there's these shots. People are starting to hear the shots by the second one. The president reacts, he probably says something. John Connally has been hit and claims he's like, "Oh, my God, they're going to kill us all." So the driver's like, "What?"

• 1:49:43AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:49:43Speaker 03

  And your instinct is probably to step on the brake, or at least take your foot off the gas.

• 1:49:47AJ Gentile?

  Fair enough.

• 1:49:48Speaker 03

  So I think that's why it slows down. And this stuff about, oh, the driver turns around and shoots him with his left hand, or, I mean, you know what that is? AJ, if you look at it, it's a reflection off of the hair on the top of the head of the guy in the passenger seat.

• 1:50:00AJ Gentile?

  Yes, I don't buy any of that.

• 1:50:01Speaker 03

  Remember, the wet head is dead, right? People used to, it was slicked back, brill cream, it shined, it reflected, right? That's what it is.

• 1:50:09AJ Gentile?

  I don't buy any of that. I always bought the grassy knoll. I think you might have been the first one to connect Tippett to it, which really blew my mind. And it makes total sense, because I did not know about that meeting. I didn't know about that meeting at Iribe's Club.

• 1:50:20Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing. This had been, and I'd done presentations, and it was in dark mission in an incomplete form. But when I went through the documents and I saw that, I'm like, "Oh, my God, I now have the link. That's it. That's the connection between Tippett and Oswald."

• 1:50:34AJ Gentile?

  You might have solved it. Is there any more on JFK you want to talk about before we get into the moon?

• 1:50:38Speaker 03

  Well, I think that there's this speech.

• 1:50:45Speaker 03

  That supposedly he was gonna give. And some people say he was gonna give it at the Trade Mart in Dallas. Where the reason why it had to be Dallas, it had to be then, it had to be that Friday, was because he was gonna give this speech. And I have no proof of that. It's just an internet thing. But it's this speech where he tells people, "We're not alone." "These people might be our friends. They might not be. We believe that they are. We are going to go into an uncertain future, but know that we are strong and this is going, we're gonna cure disease and poverty and all the ails, all the things that the deep state is making money off, we're gonna get rid of." And the only thing I'll say about that speech, and it's a couple paragraphs, I've got it here somewhere.

• 1:51:29Speaker 03

  The only thing I'll say about it is that it sounds like Kennedy's voice. You know, you have a voice.

• 1:51:34AJ Gentile?

  You do.

• 1:51:35Speaker 03

  I have a voice that I speak with. It sounds like, it sounds like something Kennedy would say. I don't know if it's real or not, but if it is, that was a turning point in history. It was a turning point in history that I hope we're on the brink of flipping back the other way.

• 1:51:52AJ Gentile?

  He never told Bobby anything?

• 1:51:54Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:51:57AJ Gentile?

  I looked for that, I can't find it.

• 1:51:58Speaker 03

  You know, Junior would know that. And Junior's gonna run the assassinations committee when it gets off the ground. So Junior might know that.

• 1:52:06AJ Gentile?

  I think deep state is gonna run him out, but...

• 1:52:10Speaker 03

  Well, they haven't yet, but yeah.

• 1:52:11AJ Gentile?

  Right. Take a quick break and let's get back to, uh, talk about how weird the moon is. All right, Kennedy's gone. MJ stages a coup. Johnson's aware, takes power. Has anything significant happened between 63 and, and 69?

• 1:52:35Speaker 03

  Around space and...

• 1:52:36AJ Gentile?

  Around space.

• 1:52:36Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, because Apollo gets co-opted. Apollo was an exploration program.

• 1:52:42Speaker 03

  It becomes a program designed to, first of all, consecrate the moon as a Masonic temple. That's the first thing they're going to do on Apollo 11. That mission is purely symbolic. And then they're going to start looking for ancient alien technology.

• 1:52:58AJ Gentile?

  Now, before you move on, prove to the audience that that was a symbolic mission.

• 1:53:04Speaker 03

  Okay. They landed in the middle of nowhere. There's nothing of interest in a sea of tranquility. It's a flat plane. It's a safe spot to land. Now, in the early days of Lunar Orbiter and Surveyor, they had done all these missions. Well, they were thinking they wanted to land in a place called Sinus Meta E, which is the sea in the middle. That's Latin for the sea in the middle. So they sent probes and they photographed, just photographed the hell out of Sinus Meta E. Hundreds and hundreds of photographs, thousands of photographs. And, you know, my co-author, Richard Hoagland, went through a lot of those and he's like, isn't this really interesting? There's one set, there's a frame, AS 10324822.

• 1:53:48Speaker 03

  So again, this is back in the 80s and 90s. And there were multiple archives where NASA photos were kept. Original negatives, first-generation negatives, first-generation prints. So he ordered one from St. Louis. Well, actually, this is not even it. He had a catalog, North American catalog, of all the photographs, all of them taken by the handheld photography Hasselblads by the astronauts. And, okay, well, this is interesting, this is in the area I'm looking for. Oh, look, this one's in 4822. It's pitch black in the catalog. So what does Hoagland do? He orders the blacked-out photo. When he gets it, is it black?

• 1:54:33Speaker 03

  Is the lens cap on? No, it's a beautiful scene from orbit over the sea in the middle, Sinus Meta E, right? Where they're looking at landing, where there, by the way, is a crater called Euclid, which is a triangle. Now, craters don't usually come out in triangles. They have to kind of be... I don't know, shoveled up and bulldozed to look like a triangle, but dead center from the lunar disk from the earth. If you were to look right at the lunar disk, you would see that triangle.

• 1:55:00AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:55:01Speaker 03

  If you could do it with a telescope.

• 1:55:01AJ Gentile?

  The triangle comes up in all these stories.

• 1:55:03Speaker 03

  Dead in the middle. Well, it's connected to tetrahedron, which is the base building block of not only video game voxels and all that stuff, but pixels, but basic, you know, physical matter. So, um, he gets this and he's like, wow, this is really interesting. And look at all this stuff. Oh, this is a really crappy, crappy negative. Look at all that stuff. Glistening and what is he scratches? Maybe not. So you know what he does? He orders from a different archive and he gets what looks like almost exactly the same picture, only it's not. It's taken half second, two seconds, one second later. So then he and

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  some other friends start ordering a copy of this photograph, AS10324822, from all nine different existing archives at that time. Guess what they get? They get nine different pictures.

• 1:55:57AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:55:58Speaker 03

  So you know what it is? It's a camera with an astronaut looking out the optically perfect windows of the command module with a power winder on there who holds the button down as the spacecraft moves left to right, click, click, click, click, click. All nine photographs are put under the same frame number, even though each one is an individual frame and should have its own number, put into a catalog and blacked out.

• 1:56:25AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:56:26Speaker 03

  So again, it's like, why didn't they just destroy them all?

• 1:56:28AJ Gentile?

  That is a great question.

• 1:56:30Speaker 03

  And I think it's because the religious aspect of it. They have to provide the information. They don't have to admit to us. They don't have to admit when we catch them, but they have to put the information out. They have to say, well, whoever God they're going to answer to, they have to say, well, we told you so. Look, we gave you all these pictures. You didn't go looking for them. Why didn't you go looking for them? You really want to know the truth. Why are you putting it on us? We published all these, right? That's, that's, I think, what it is. It's a, it's a game. It's a, it's like Stranger in a Strange Land. You know, you have to be in the game to be in the game.

• 1:57:06AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:57:07Speaker 03

  So, that's probably what, what's going on. So, it, I, Hoagland still has these. They make big enlargements. They're in his garage somewhere in New Mexico. Please, God, if, if you ever pass, when he, you know, it's gonna happen to all of us, right? I want to go to that garage. And I want to get all nine of those and I'm gonna put them together in order and show. We were right about that one. And the other thing, too, is that in this, there are objects that are not there. And then the next frame, it's partially there. And the next frame, it's partially there. And the next frame, it's fading away again. And it's obviously from the light hitting this glass or crystal structure. And there's even one where there's this thing, it's called the castle. Is what the nickname is.

• 1:57:52AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  And you can see that there's a, a wire, it's pull, it's hanging from this, this lattice work. That's all over Sinus Medei, all over the middle.

• 1:58:01AJ Gentile?

  I read that those castles seem to be levitating.

• 1:58:04Speaker 03

  Well, no, it's, it's, it's floating, it's in the sky above, um, above that region of the moon. But it's suspended on wires and things. And so people say levitating. It's kind of a fanciful description of it, but it's really not. It's, it's just that the light catches this stuff. And the, the phase angle puts the light into the camera lens and it records it. And, and you know, again, when you add these up, you can see that there's, that accounts for the movement of the spacecraft. So, there was stuff all over there. And, you know, again, before we get into this argument, oh, you don't, you don't, you know, you don't build houses out of glass where people throw stones. Well, you know, lunar glass.

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  Is almost as strong as steel. For one reason, there's no moisture in it.

• 1:58:53AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:58:54Speaker 03

  When you throw a baseball against a window, the reason the glass shatters is because of the water that's in there. Lunar glass doesn't have that. In fact, NASA's plans when they build a moon base, they're going to use lunar glass. Because it's tough. So what it looks like is somebody built this lattice work structure, and there's all kinds of doubles of detail to this, in certain parts of the moon where, as a meteor shield, because there's no atmosphere on the moon, to protect whatever was below. So, okay, sounds like a little bit of a crazy idea. I'll acknowledge that. Except that, what happened to Surveyor 4? Surveyor 4 was descending into Sinus Meta E. They were going to land.

• 1:59:35Speaker 03

  Now, Surveyor 4, the surveyors, were the ones that landed and took pictures. And it's descending, it's going along, it's going along, it's going along, and then it just disappears.

• 1:59:43AJ Gentile?

  It just disappears?

• 1:59:45Speaker 03

  In midair, well, all descending. And he said, and as Hogan loves to point this out, he's like, hey, guess what? The transmission of the radio is at the speed of light. So if there was an explosion, that's going to register in the telemetry. Nothing. It's just there one split second, and it's gone the next. And he goes, so what happened to it? He goes, I think it went splat, like a bug, like a bug on a windshield. So then they can't land at Sinus Meta E anymore.

• 2:00:12AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:00:13Speaker 03

  So they have to find somewhere else to land. So the place that they pick is to see your tranquility. Now, what's the purpose of Apollo 11? Well, how is it symbolic? Well, you know, again, the Freemasons were running NASA. James Webb was a Scottish Rite Freemason, 33rd degree. And that's what we're only talking about. We're not talking about, you know, my dad's a Shriner. We're not talking about that.

• 2:00:33AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:00:34Speaker 03

  We're talking about 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite, Southern jurisdiction, United States of America. Buzz Aldrin is a member of that lodge. Lots of other NASA astronauts are. And it makes sense, like Edgar Mitchell, it makes sense to me because it's a great way to figure out if you can keep a secret. Join a secret society.

• 2:00:55AJ Gentile?

  That's a great point.

• 2:00:56Speaker 03

  And the astronauts probably all figured out, well, if we're going to get the choice assignments, and they all wanted to be Neil Armstrong, we better join the club. Now Armstrong was not, but I believe his father was.

• 2:01:08AJ Gentile?

  Didn't Buzz bring some Masonic?

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• 2:01:43AJ Gentile?

  Are you with him?

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  Oh, you mean, you mean like Masonic ceremonial apron?

• 2:01:51AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 2:01:52Speaker 03

  That he brought with him in his personal preference pack to the moon?

• 2:01:55AJ Gentile?

  Why do you need that? When it, when it, they had to keep the weight so small, but there's room for...

• 2:02:01Speaker 03

  Well, there's room for a Masonic apron. But that is the actual apron that Buzz took. We've just replaced the American flag with that. So, yeah, I'll put that over there.

• 2:02:09AJ Gentile?

  Well, so that's doctored. So the actual photo is the...

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  No, that did not, yeah, that is, no. It was actually really the American flag and that's not Buzz Aldrin. That's like Jimmer went on Apollo.

• 2:02:20AJ Gentile?

  Just wanted to clear that up.

• 2:02:21Speaker 03

  But it's a great cover. It's a great cover, right? So Aldrin is a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Freemason at that time. He's not been brought into the top level of the club. And he goes to the moon with Neil Armstrong and they land in the middle of nowhere. And we haven't sorted out the exact time yet. What we started doing was, and this is getting too deep into the symbolism, is what were the stars like above the landing sites? You know? And again, there's a whole bunch of documentation about what are the belief systems of the Freemasons. You had the Freemasons inside NASA. You also had the Nazi faction inside NASA.

• 2:03:03Speaker 03

  And you had what we called the magicians, the Aleister Crowley folks out at JPL.

• 2:03:07AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:03:07Speaker 03

  All based on the same core belief system, which is that the human race is descended from Aryan gods who came from another star, maybe Orion, and that they are the fathers of the human race. Okay? And we worship them. Their names are Isis, Osiris, Horus, and Seth.

• 2:03:28Speaker 03

  Which by the way, Dune.

• 2:03:30AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:03:31Speaker 03

  Dune is the myth of Isis, Osiris.

• 2:03:32AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 2:03:34Speaker 03

  Osiris, the good god, Duke Leto, Seth, Baron Harkonnen. His mom, Horus is the son, the avenging son. His mom is the witch, Isis.

• 2:03:43AJ Gentile?

  And we can connect Osiris to, I guess, a more commonly known constellation above Egypt. Yes?

• 2:03:49Speaker 03

  Orion.

• 2:03:50AJ Gentile?

  Orion.

• 2:03:51Speaker 03

  Sirius is Isis, Orion is Osiris.

• 2:03:55AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:03:55Speaker 03

  So, anyway, by the way, the lunar module Orion. The lunar module Orion, which is the lunar module Osiris, right?

• 2:04:02AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:04:03Speaker 03

  And of course, Orion was originally on the Apollo original patch. Apollo's Greek, Orion's Egyptian. Okay, whatever, guys.

• 2:04:12AJ Gentile?

  If you look at all these logos with these space agencies, they're all Egyptian iconography.

• 2:04:17Speaker 03

  Anyway, and they landed, you know, in 1972, the lunar module Orion lands on the moon at

• 2:04:26Speaker 03

  the exact time that the belt stars of Orion are 33 degrees above the horizon on Adolf Hitler's birthday.

• 2:04:33AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:04:34Speaker 03

  So, everybody got their, everybody got their.

• 2:04:37AJ Gentile?

  Everybody got their wish list?

• 2:04:38Speaker 03

  They got their wish list filled out on that one.

• 2:04:40AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 2:04:40Speaker 03

  So, so they land.

• 2:04:42AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:04:42Speaker 03

  And then.

• 2:04:42AJ Gentile?

  Wait, hold on, who's they?

• 2:04:44Speaker 03

  Armstrong and Aldrin.

• 2:04:45AJ Gentile?

  So, so we landed on the moon, you're in that camp?

• 2:04:47Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 2:04:48AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:04:48Speaker 03

  Absolutely. The thing is, it's like I told you about when I started at Boeing, you know? I mean, these were guys, this is 79, so this is 10 years after the Apollo 11 mission, and only seven or eight years. And, you know, people are like, well, we didn't have any computer power, how did we get to the moon? You ever heard of a slide rule? I mean, these guys, AJ, these guys were geniuses.

• 2:05:08AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:05:08Speaker 03

  These were the guys that my dad worked with. I mean, engineering wise compared to me, they were, they were freaking geniuses.

• 2:05:14AJ Gentile?

  And why do they say they can't replicate that technology now?

• 2:05:16Speaker 03

  They can. They can, that's not what happened. What, what, here's the problem, they don't have the, they don't have a lot of the paperwork anymore.

• 2:05:24AJ Gentile?

  Come on!

• 2:05:25Speaker 03

  No, no, they, companies do keep this stuff, but the, what they really mean by that is that they destroyed all the tooling. You can't build the shell cone for a Saturn V engine if you don't have the tooling for it. You have to reverse engineer it, and, you know, you don't know, you don't know exactly what the materials were, you have to pull everything out, you have to test every piece. You know how many millions of pieces there were on that rocket? Every single one would have to be material tested, which is also destructive, by the way, to rebuild the Saturn V. So. You know, it's kind of a...

• 2:06:01AJ Gentile?

  So SpaceX figured it out?

• 2:06:03Speaker 03

  SpaceX just did a completely different thing.

• 2:06:05AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:06:06Speaker 03

  And I don't agree with the way they did it, but they're smarter than me, so, you know. I mean, I don't think 33 engines is the way to go. 33 small engines, I'd rather have five big ones that are reliable than 33 small ones.

• 2:06:16AJ Gentile?

  I'm just glad they're going, and so, they land in 69. At this point, does...

• 2:06:24Speaker 03

  So, okay, so they land in 69?

• 2:06:25AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:06:26Speaker 03

  Thirty-second degree, Freemason, Buzz Aldrin on board. All of the pictures of astronauts on the moon are in Apollo 11, except for one, and you only see his legs, they're all Buzz Aldrin. None of them are Neil Armstrong. So when people think they're looking at Neil Armstrong in that National Geographic picture, it's Buzz Aldrin. So you know why Armstrong went out first?

• 2:06:47AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 2:06:47Speaker 03

  Because his job was to take photographs of the first Freemason to walk on the surface of the moon.

• 2:06:51AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:06:51Speaker 03

  That's what his job was. That's why he never wanted the limelight. Buzz did. Buzz was the rock star, not Neil Armstrong. Just, that's my opinion. Buzz Aldrin performs a ceremony in the lunar module, which is described as a communion ceremony. Because, of course, that's an acceptable religion. In fact, that communion ceremony goes back to, guess when? Ancient Egypt.

• 2:07:18AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:07:19Speaker 03

  It's an offering to, guess who? Osiris.

• 2:07:23AJ Gentile?

  And it helps explain a little bit why Neil Armstrong looked so uncomfortable at that press conference. I mean, he looked miserable to be there.

• 2:07:31Speaker 03

  He hated, he hated being in the public, anyway. I mean, he hated talking, he hated the press. He was a quiet, stoic, masculine 1960s guy. That's who he was. And there's also other pictures, though, of them laughing, you know, their ass off. I've got a meme where, you know, they're all like this, and then I got a meme where they're all laughing, you know, at that same press conference, so... Watch the whole thing, and you get a little bit different picture than if you just watch edited segments.

• 2:07:55AJ Gentile?

  So, I don't want to step on any punchlines, but what's up there? What did they find? Why did we not go back?

• 2:08:00Speaker 03

  Okay, so on Apollo 11, they didn't find anything. They were purely there to consecrate the moon as a Masonic temple.

• 2:08:06AJ Gentile?

  But did NASA or Magik know something was there?

• 2:08:10Speaker 03

  Yes. But they waited until Apollo 12 to start looking for it. The reason they landed there, they landed in Oceanus Presolarum, because that was a promising landing site for artifacts. So it became a reverse-engineering technology. What I think happened was... Was Kennedy got blocked out by MJ12. And he said, okay, fine, F you. I'm going to go to the moon anyway with my own public space program because he knew they were hiding advanced technology from him, I'm sure. I'm going to go to the moon and we're going to go there and we're going to go, we're going to go there and take the technology and then come back and reverse engineer it on our end on the public side. And we're going to do it with the Russians and all you bankers and kabbalists and whatever

• 2:08:53Speaker 03

  you are, are gonna, I'm just going to screw you.

• 2:08:57AJ Gentile?

  No can do.

• 2:08:58Speaker 03

  So they allowed that then to continue. And so Apollo 12, they actually started looking for stuff and they landed. It's really interesting because why would you land someplace you already landed on Oceana's Procyon arm? Because Surveyor 3 had landed there 33 months before. And they knew they could get through all of this crap that was in the sky. So they knew they could land there. And they went there, they went, they start, and Alan Bean, right? Is the commander, P Conrad? Was Bean the commander? Conrad was commander. They land there. The camera that they took to on Apollo 11 is this crappy, terrible, black and white

• 2:09:40Speaker 03

  camera, which even with today's, we finally got it looking reasonably decent, right? And you know the whole story on that. Apollo 12, they let them take a color camera. They land in Apollo 12, on Apollo 12, and there's this 18 minute period of silence. Remember, what was it? The 18 minute gap in the Nixon tapes?

• 2:09:59AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:10:00Speaker 03

  We talked about Nixon before. It was an 18 minute gap. What are they doing there?

• 2:10:04AJ Gentile?

  I thought, I thought the module went behind the moon, so the signal was blocked.

• 2:10:09Speaker 03

  They're all on the front side of the moon. They're beaming right, they get there, they set up the antenna, they're beaming right at us. What did they do on Apollo 12 for 18 minutes? Well, it turns out, there's a NASA document that popped up in 2006 or 2007. And there's a line at the beginning, they did what's, they did a stand up EVA.

• 2:10:27AJ Gentile?

  A stand up EVA?

• 2:10:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Stand up EVA is where they depressurize the cabin, open up the top hatch and stand on the ascent stage, engine cowling and look around.

• 2:10:42Speaker 03

  So they had a much better, high-resolution color TV camera and better handheld cameras. So what they were doing, and nobody, nobody knew this until it was in this report in 2006, which they've now since edited and taken out, that, that thing. But this, this woman wrote the report, puts it in there like it's a fact. She got it from NASA, it's an official NASA document, right? So for those 18 minutes, they, um, they were looking around and they were like, what do you see in the distance? Well, I'll see, I'll tell you what you see. And we've, we've got Apollo 12 and Apollo 14, we're only 100 miles apart. And you can see the same gigantic towering glass structures over the horizon from both

• 2:11:26Speaker 03

  website, both the landing sites, but in opposite perspectives, right? So you, from various different media sources. So they were clearly standing up to look around and say, see what you can see. They had private communication channels that were not public, we know that now, right? And, um, they obviously went and they looked around and they said, holy shit, you can see everything with this camera. So they closed back up. When they came back on after 18 minutes, there's two different Capcom's. There's a landing Capcom, and then when they go out for the EVA, the walk, there's a different Capcom. When they came back after 18 minutes, guess who was on the line? The moonwalk Capcom.

• 2:12:11Speaker 03

  So they had changed, that means there was an EVA.

• 2:12:14AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:12:14Speaker 03

  You don't bring that guy. So there's all these little details, right?

• 2:12:17AJ Gentile?

  So where's that footage?

• 2:12:21AJ Gentile?

  Right? It's with.

• 2:12:22Speaker 03

  Well, let me tell you where that footage is. So Alan Bean, who's been training for this mission for months and months and months and knows everything about it. Pete Conrad goes out, third mount on the moon, yay, everybody's applauding. Camera comes on, it's still stuck to the side of the lunar module, right? So Al Bean gets out there and he goes, and his job is to take the camera off of the mount and put it on the tripod so they can, we can watch, just like we did on Apollo 11. What's the first thing he does? Turns around, points it right at the sun and burns the optics out.

• 2:12:53AJ Gentile?

  Oh, come on.

• 2:12:54Speaker 03

  Which he's trained specifically not to do.

• 2:12:56AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:12:58Speaker 03

  There's all this stuff about Alan Bean's paintings where he paints the moon and there's all this color everywhere and completely different than what we've been sold. So, so they were like, well, we can't do that. So they had other cameras, they had other issues, they landed in other places. Apollo 14, after Apollo 13 disaster, Apollo 14.

• 2:13:19Speaker 03

  Again, looking for technology, but you don't, I can't really say when I look at pictures, there's anything super suspicious until we get to Apollo 17, which is the last mission that we actually went.

• 2:13:29AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:13:30Speaker 03

  We had an Apollo 18. I got to touch the lunar module they built for that.

• 2:13:34AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 2:13:34Speaker 03

  When we did Truth Behind the Moon Landing, when I did that show, it's like, wow.

• 2:13:38AJ Gentile?

  Amazing.

• 2:13:39Speaker 03

  It's still here. And it's so much more solid than you think. I mean, you hear that, oh, look at that piece of crap quitting on the moon. Oh, yeah, it could.

• 2:13:46AJ Gentile?

  What did they think this stuff was and how long was it there? And who put it there?

• 2:13:50Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't, timeframes are the hardest thing, but the only thing I can tell you is that like the hopies have said, we've been this high before and we've crashed by fire, by water, by, you know, radiation, whatever it is. I don't, I don't know what the timeframe is on this stuff. I just, I just don't. But man rises up and then he crashes and then he rises up and then he crashes and he, and he rises up again. And if you look at this stuff, if you look at the technology, you look at the face on Mars, you look at the DNM pyramid right next to it, you look at all this stuff that the rovers find. It all looks like human engineering. The, the lattice work structure, it looks like it's on a massive scale,

• 2:14:32Speaker 03

  but it looks like they've, either they follow the exact same principles as we do, including aesthetically, or it's human.

• 2:14:41AJ Gentile?

  Or engineering is just universal.

• 2:14:43Speaker 03

  Or engineering is engineering.

• 2:14:44AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. So then we get to Apollo 17 and that one is really weird.

• 2:14:52AJ Gentile?

  Why is that weird?

• 2:14:53Speaker 03

  Because they land, you know how Hoagland is talking, talks about the message of Sedonia on Mars?

• 2:14:59AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:15:00Speaker 03

  Right? And the tetrahedral geometry and 19.5 degrees and 33 degrees. By the way, do you know after Viking, the first time we went back to Mars was Pathfinder lander?

• 2:15:14AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:15:14Speaker 03

  You know what the latitude was at the landing site? Nineteen point five degrees by thirty, by thirty-three degrees.

• 2:15:20AJ Gentile?

  And.

• 2:15:21Speaker 03

  Because they knew if they landed there, they'd find pyramids and sphinxes and all kinds of cool stuff.

• 2:15:24AJ Gentile?

  Right. I, I think the, isn't the pyramid, the lower angles nineteen point four seven?

• 2:15:30Speaker 03

  It's, it's nineteen point four seven, rounded up or down to nineteen point five, basically.

• 2:15:35AJ Gentile?

  I, I tend to move away from the new, the, that kind of symbology. I tend to. I'm interested in it, but, um, but I tend to move away from it because you can discern a lot of things. You could, you could, you could just make it work. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:15:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can, although I mean, I think, I think there's enough coincidences that you can say they're not coincidences.

• 2:15:55AJ Gentile?

  Totally agree.

• 2:15:56Speaker 03

  Even Graham Hancock in his book, The Mars Mystery, which is excellent, by the way, and may have some things like, his perspective on certain things may be, may be right, rather than me and Hoagland's, but.

• 2:16:07AJ Gentile?

  His books are aging very well.

• 2:16:08Speaker 03

  Even he says, look, he goes, I have to admit, the fact that they landed at nineteen point five degrees by thirty-three degrees kind of makes Hoagland look like he's on to something.

• 2:16:16AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:16:17Speaker 03

  So, the Apollo seventeen site is nineteen point five degrees. There's mountains around the landing site. They landed in a valley between a bunch of mountains, some of which appear to have condos built into them. I'm not, I'm not kidding you. You know, Hoagie says, I used to, I, I watched NASA Select TV at two thirty in the morning because that's when they show the good stuff, right? And, uh, high resolution stuff. And one of the mountains is called the South Messif, which is French for mountain. And it's a hexagon. And the backside of it is blown out and you can see the debris where it blew out, like there was an internal explosion. It blew this hexagonal mountain up, right? In there, there's a depression that they call a crater, which is like V-shaped depression called Nansen.

• 2:17:00Speaker 03

  Day two of the EVA, they get on the rover and they make a beeline for Nansen, right? They make an absolute be not, beeline for it.

• 2:17:07AJ Gentile?

  And you could watch a lot of that footage.

• 2:17:09Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:09AJ Gentile?

  Like they haul ass all day.

• 2:17:10Speaker 03

  The Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. It's little, you know, postage stamp, two thousand and six video, but you can watch all of the, all of the spacewalks, every single minute of them. And you can even see the comments from the astronauts from their debriefs along with that. And it's just fascinating.

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  So, they get up there and they get out of the rover. And they're right, they park right above this depression, which looks for all the world like an entrance into the, underneath this pyramid thing, right? And so they take over the camera remotely, which yes, they can, they can do that. They can.

• 2:17:45AJ Gentile?

  They can.

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  They absolutely.

• 2:17:46AJ Gentile?

  They could follow, they could follow it up.

• 2:17:48Speaker 03

  When Apollo 17, yes, they just programmed in, pan up, and it's gonna follow it. They start panning. So this goes on for like 20 minutes. I've watched the whole video. It's excruciating. Because I know they're doing something. I just can't see what they're doing. And at the end of it, Cernan, Gene Cernan goes, "Well, you know, we, we haven't really been able to look around any more than you've seen." And I'm like, "What are you talking about? We didn't see anything. All we saw was the middle of nowhere."

• 2:18:15AJ Gentile?

  You can hear him saying that.

• 2:18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. He says that. And he says, and then as they're getting ready to leave, they, they're driving around. He says, "Yeah, we're driving around here." And of course, the camera's off by then because it couldn't, it couldn't attach the antenna. They had to stop the rover to hook up with Earth and do the TV transmission. And he goes, you hear him go, "Lordy, lordy, lordy, this is one weird place," or "One amazing place," or something. And I think, dude, you're talking about a bunch of dust? Really? There's all this weird dialogue. Cernan was one of the guys who talked a lot about weird stuff. You know, he was the music guy.

• 2:18:51AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:52Speaker 03

  In, on Apollo 10, and...

• 2:18:53AJ Gentile?

  That's right, the woo-woo.

• 2:18:55Speaker 03

  Right. And then he says, "Wow, we're really down among them now on Apollo 10."

• 2:18:59AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:19:00Speaker 03

  You're at 50, he was literally at 50,000 feet when he said that. What is in the sky above the moon at 50,000 feet if the NASA thing is correct? So, nothing.

• 2:19:09AJ Gentile?

  Didn't Mitchell also make some weird statements?

• 2:19:11Speaker 03

  Mitchell made many weird statements. And again, 33rd degree Scottish Rite Freemason, born in Roswell, New Mexico.

• 2:19:17AJ Gentile?

  Oh, boy. So let's speculate. Is the, is the moon hollow? Is it a craft?

• 2:19:24Speaker 03

  Um, it's a, I believe it's a modified natural satellite.

• 2:19:29AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:19:30Speaker 03

  If you go back to, if you go back to the Dr. Tom Van Flanderen theories.

• 2:19:34AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:19:35Speaker 03

  About planets actually being spun off as plasma, and then the planets spinning off their moons. Earth and moon fit that description. Venus and mercury fit that description.

• 2:19:46AJ Gentile?

  Spinning out of the sun.

• 2:19:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, spinning out of the sun initially and then the rocky planet will spin off a smaller ball which becomes the moon or Venus and mercury were once a pair just like the earth were, but earth and moon are, but something happened.

• 2:19:59AJ Gentile?

  And let me just say, when you started telling me about these theories, I thought it was nuts. And the more I researched it, I've come all the way around, maybe not to Ben Flender so much, but about the planets and the sun and all the sort of being connected in ways that we don't, I'm kind of there.

• 2:20:16Speaker 03

  Connected through the hyperdimensional ether and it just gets into this, all this physics and it's really interesting stuff.

• 2:20:21AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, we may have to have you back tomorrow to get into it.

• 2:20:24Speaker 03

  So, yeah, they went there looking for this ancient alien technology and they brought it back. Apollo 17 is definitely the mission where I can say absolutely, look, this is where they're looking for technology. And then after the South Massif, they go to a crater called Shorty Crater where they find Commander Data's head in the crater.

• 2:20:45AJ Gentile?

  I've seen that picture.

• 2:20:46Speaker 03

  It's not bullshit. I, you know, that's again, a thing I gotta take you through that step by step, but it's really there and I don't know what it is.

• 2:20:55AJ Gentile?

  To support that a little bit, there are ancient stories going back, ancient Athens talking about the Arcadians that were here before the moon was.

• 2:21:06Speaker 03

  That's a great band. Nick Rhodes, Simon Le Bon. Different Arcadians, I'm sorry.

• 2:21:13AJ Gentile?

  Africa, another great band, but African stories, Mesoamerican stories about the mist, the earth was a mist and then the moon arrives and then there's the flood.

• 2:21:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't know if that's true. The thing that's interesting is that they talk about, like the Egyptian myths talk about when Isis, Osiris and Horus and Sett arrived, they're represented by the five extra calendar days at the end of the year, like the year should end on Christmas, but there's these extended days and it has something to do with the moon coming in, you know, these...

• 2:21:47AJ Gentile?

  Let me clarify that for a quick second. So, 360 degrees in a circle based on Sumerian math, but 365 does not fit hexadecimal math.

• 2:21:57Speaker 03

  So, the orbit of the earth was once 360 days, not 365.24, and something happened to change that. And, you know...

• 2:22:10Speaker 03

  Again, I'm a big cataclysm guy. I'm a big catastrophist guy.

• 2:22:14AJ Gentile?

  Same.

• 2:22:14Speaker 03

  I think we talked about that in the sixth extinction episode. And so something happened, and I suspect that the moon was already there, based on the Van Flander stuff, which I tend to think is probably right. But what happened was is that they then probably started adding to it, maybe to increase the mass, to slow the spin of the Earth. Because the whole thing is connected, again, where you got a solar system, and the idea is, it's a true system. So all of these planets, through the spin energy, are generating energy. They're generating light that affects everything in this system, from here to Pluto. You look at the Earth, and you see, well, life used to be gigantic. I love it when

• 2:22:58Speaker 03

  they say, "Oh, Godzilla couldn't really, you know, couldn't be real. He'd collapse of his own weight." How do you explain a T-Rex, then?

• 2:23:07AJ Gentile?

  Totally agree.

• 2:23:08Speaker 03

  How do you explain some of these other animals? And the answer is, there was more life force in the solar system, because there were more planets in the solar system, generating spin energy.

• 2:23:18AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:23:19Speaker 03

  So when you lose those, when they explode, or are blown up in a war, did I say that out loud? Then you can't support that level of life anymore.

• 2:23:29AJ Gentile?

  Is that, is that the John Vennenberg theory a little bit there?

• 2:23:32Speaker 03

  A little bit.

• 2:23:33AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:23:33Speaker 03

  A little bit.

• 2:23:34AJ Gentile?

  The nuclear apocalypse on Mars?

• 2:23:35Speaker 03

  I think that, well, I think he thinks there was a war on Mars, but I'm trying to convince him Mars was a moon, it's not a planet. It's a moon of this planet that may have been blown up.

• 2:23:46AJ Gentile?

  Of this planet?

• 2:23:47Speaker 03

  No, a moon, Mars is a moon of that planet that used to be in the orbit where Mars, basically where Mars is now, which also explains Three Eye Atlas and what that really was.

• 2:23:59AJ Gentile?

  I gotta write that down. So Mars may be a moon of whatever planet later became the asteroid belt.

• 2:24:06Speaker 03

  Let's call it Maldek, or Phaeton.

• 2:24:08AJ Gentile?

  I like Maldek.

• 2:24:08Speaker 03

  Or Van Flander called it Planet V, Planet Five.

• 2:24:11AJ Gentile?

  So, we've got the asteroid belt that's there.

• 2:24:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, which was another planet that also blew up or was exploded.

• 2:24:17AJ Gentile?

  And could Mars been a moon of Maldek, that planet?

• 2:24:20Speaker 03

  Possibly, but I don't know why it would have, again, if you use the Bohd- Taitus Bohd law of spacing, right, which you talked about in the episode. There should be a planet there.

• 2:24:29AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:24:30Speaker 03

  And remember, the thing that our solar system seems to lack that most other solar systems do have are what they call these super Earths, which are rocky terrestrial planets like the Earth, but about twice as big and five times as massive. But we don't have those. But if you put one in Van Flannern's model, where they would logically reside is where we've mostly seen them, which would be in the orbit where Mars is and the orbit where the asteroid belt is.

• 2:24:54AJ Gentile?

  That's true.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  So it fits. The thing is, is that these theories might not be correct that we talked about, but everything we observe says that nothing discounts them, right?

• 2:25:06AJ Gentile?

  Look, a lot of what we talked about today is not correct, but some of it is. Some of it is. All right. I want to get back to the moon a little bit, but you brought up 3I Atlas. That's hot. What does that have to do with anything?

• 2:25:18Speaker 03

  Okay, so 3I Atlas is really interesting from a compositional standpoint, right? It's iron. What was the other main thing in it? Nickel? A lot of this stuff planetary core material. So the theory that Hogland has, Hogland and I, I mean, he helped me, I helped write that paper with him 25 years ago, is that, yeah, Mars is a moon. You could tell because it has these massive tidal bulges. I had a guy, I had Mark Dantonio, who I love, by the way. Mars doesn't have any tidal bulges. I'm like, Tarsus and Arabia are the two biggest tidal bulges on any body in the solar system.

• 2:25:53AJ Gentile?

  You can see them.

• 2:25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can see them. So it was locked in a tidal locked relationship, just like the moon is to the Earth. Always the same face facing us, right? It explodes. Half the atmosphere is ripped away on Mars. The planet tips over, like a tug of war, tips over. The bottom half gets spattered with so much material from that exploded planet that it creates a 20 mile dichotomy in crust, crustal dichotomy.

• 2:26:18AJ Gentile?

  And that's something that a lot of people don't know is Mars is almost like two planets in one.

• 2:26:23Speaker 03

  It's two in one. Yeah, it's two in one. And, you know, so this all happens. And so the explosion, what was it, where were we going with that?

• 2:26:34AJ Gentile?

  3I.

• 2:26:35Speaker 03

  3I Atlas. So.

• 2:26:38Speaker 03

  Three Eye Atlas is a

• 2:26:42Speaker 03

  an object that's never been observed before. It's come from outside, from another galaxy, Captain.

• 2:26:48AJ Gentile?

  People ask me what it is. I say it's a meteor, but it's the weirdest one I've ever read about.

• 2:26:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. But there's something else that Dr. Van Flandern talked about called long period comets. Long period comets are comets that have never come through the solar system before, but they are gravitationally tethered to it. So if this planet exploded, whenever it happened, 200,000 years ago, 2 billion years ago, 2 million years ago, it goes on this incredible course, and it comes back into the solar system. Where's it gonna come back? It's gonna come back where it originated from, which is on the plane of the ecliptic. Remember Avi Loeb? Oh, the fact that it's on the plane of the ecliptic is what? 1 in 20,000?

• 2:27:33AJ Gentile?

  No. It's like all the time.

• 2:27:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:27:38AJ Gentile?

  Well, Omer Moore.

• 2:27:39Speaker 03

  500 to 1, or I forget which one of them it was.

• 2:27:41AJ Gentile?

  I thought Omer Moore was weirder because it was so oblique, but no, Three Eye came in fairly flat.

• 2:27:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the odds of that are 500 to 1 or something, according to Loeb. And it's right crossing, it came really close to Mars, right?

• 2:27:56AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:27:57Speaker 03

  So close you could observe it with binoculars if you were standing on it.

• 2:28:00AJ Gentile?

  So is that Martian core material?

• 2:28:01Speaker 03

  That's core material of the planet that Mars used to orbit that exploded. That's what I think.

• 2:28:07Speaker 03

  That's why it's nickel, and that's why its composition is so weird and...

• 2:28:10AJ Gentile?

  Do you have any theories on why the tail is so long? Why faces the runway?

• 2:28:13Speaker 03

  Nah, I'll leave that to other people. That's, I'm not a comet guy. I just wish Tom had lived long enough.

• 2:28:20AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:28:21Speaker 03

  Because, because that's not really Tom's theory as much as it is Richard's, but between the two of them, they would be superstars right now.

• 2:28:28AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:29Speaker 03

  If Tom was still with us.

• 2:28:31AJ Gentile?

  All we have is Avi Loeb.

• 2:28:33Speaker 03

  And all we got is Avi.

• 2:28:35AJ Gentile?

  The moon.

• 2:28:36Speaker 03

  Alright, we got off track there.

• 2:28:38AJ Gentile?

  No, no, that's a good track. But there's no order to this. So we've got the moon is weird. Stuff is up there.

• 2:28:47Speaker 03

  There's all these things about the moon and really, you know, these things are common now that we talk about. Anybody who does a video about the moon has this in there about the solar, oh, the moon is exactly the right size to be to cover perfect, you know, eclipses, perfect solar eclipses, exactly the right distance. By the way, the diameter of the moon is 2,160 miles. It's not 2,159 and it's not 2,161. It's 2,160, which is the exact number of years in an astronomical astrological age, which is kind of an interesting coincidence.

• 2:29:21AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:29:22Speaker 03

  And it's exactly the right size. And apparently it makes paractonical pendulums go backwards when it eclipses the sun. And Hogan was really the first guy to talk about designer solar systems. So it's as if some intelligence has put all this together.

• 2:29:37AJ Gentile?

  We don't see a moon like this in any other solar system.

• 2:29:41Speaker 03

  No, although, although, again, Van Flannan would have argued and did argue that Mercury and Venus were the same situation as Earth.

• 2:29:48AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:29:48Speaker 03

  And Mercury just got pulled out, which is interesting because Mercury, you know, as close as it is to the sun, should have a very perfect orbit, but it's the most eccentric.

• 2:29:57AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:29:58Speaker 03

  Meaning it's, it makes it imply that it's a fresh orbit. It's not been there for a long time in that position.

• 2:30:06AJ Gentile?

  So it's secret space program?

• 2:30:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:30:08AJ Gentile?

  So, so we've got the, does this go back to magic? Does this go back to MJ? Do we have a secret space program now?

• 2:30:16Speaker 03

  This goes, yeah, we have, we have a secret space program now. We've had it for a long time. This goes back to Del Schau, a German draftsman, basically, artist almost, who immigrated in the 1800s, 1830, I think, to America and came out of Selacia, Poland, the same place where the Nazi bell apparently was developed.

• 2:30:42AJ Gentile?

  Maybe that's why they invaded in 39.

• 2:30:44Speaker 03

  That's had to be it.

• 2:30:45AJ Gentile?

  That had to be.

• 2:30:47Speaker 03

  Hey, don't put it past, don't put it past that Hitler guy. He had, you know, he was into his occult stuff.

• 2:30:52AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:30:52Speaker 03

  And I don't, I don't know what that is. It seems like there was a secret society of German scientists. And they were looking for the secret of

• 2:31:04Speaker 03

  anti-gravity way back in the 1830s.

• 2:31:07AJ Gentile?

  That far back?

• 2:31:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. And they send other people, but they send this Delsho guy to America. Comes into New York through Ellis Island, makes his way to Texas, ends up in Sonora, California, where he's part of an organization or founds an organization called the Sonora Air Club. And he produces all of these extraordinary flying machine drawings, designs for flying machines, balloons, they look like balloons, but they're not really quite balloons. And that research goes on for 20, 30 years.

• 2:31:41AJ Gentile?

  Who's funding it? Who's supporting it?

• 2:31:43Speaker 03

  Nobody knows. But the Sonora Air Club did exist. Thomas Delsho, I think it was Thomas, did live in that time period. After 20, 30 years, he leaves, he goes back through Texas, goes back overseas.

• 2:32:02Speaker 03

  20 years later, after all this, all of a sudden, airships start appearing over cities in America, starting with Sacramento.

• 2:32:12AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:32:12Speaker 03

  You know where Sacramento is? It's right outside of Sonora, California. Balloon type airships exactly like he had, he had drawn up.

• 2:32:24AJ Gentile?

  But

• 2:32:26AJ Gentile?

  filling a balloon with, with air, to me, is not the same thing as anti-gravity.

• 2:32:30Speaker 03

  It wasn't air. They didn't, they didn't really understand or use helium or anything then.

• 2:32:35AJ Gentile?

  What, what was it filled with?

• 2:32:37Speaker 03

  Zerum 525.

• 2:32:39AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:32:40Speaker 03

  Also known as red mercury.

• 2:32:42AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:32:42Speaker 03

  According to some of these documents, or not documents, but stories, you know, red mercury, right? So the, the trick is that they discovered something about rotating magnetic fields and this red mercury, Zerum 525, which created an anti-gravity effect.

• 2:32:59AJ Gentile?

  Rotating mercury, I'm all behind it.

• 2:33:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. So then they, they, even if I don't really completely grasp it. So then they, the airship sightings go back across the country and then over the Atlantic.

• 2:33:12Speaker 03

  And disappear. It's almost as if they came to America to the most isolated place they could find. And worked on this stuff for 20, 30, 40 years, figured it out, and then brought it back to Europe. Where I assume it ended up. Where the rubber plant ended up and we ended up with the Nazi bell 45, 50 years later. 1897, all that stuff happens. The great airship flap of the, of the United States.

• 2:33:39AJ Gentile?

  Now, I've read, you can maybe correct me that the Nazi bell was looking at rotating metallic, rotating mercury as, as its, as its power source.

• 2:33:49Speaker 03

  That's, that's the speculation. Nobody knows for sure. Cause we don't have the plans, but if you look at. If you look at a, at a flying Sasha, the Hannibos, right?

• 2:33:58AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:33:59Speaker 03

  You look at the cupola in the middle.

• 2:34:01AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know these parts had names, but okay.

• 2:34:03Speaker 03

  It's called cupola.

• 2:34:04AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:34:04Speaker 03

  Or copola. I prefer cupola because it doesn't sound like Francis Ford Coppola, which we don't want to. Don't want to go there.

• 2:34:10AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:34:11Speaker 03

  But if you put. The Nazi bell, the way it was supposed to be, the size of it. Inside a disc shape, you would get that exact shape.

• 2:34:19AJ Gentile?

  Yes, you would.

• 2:34:20Speaker 03

  It's the anti-gravity reactor. Now, I don't know how they figure out. How to maneuver and control. But if that was an anti-gravity reactor, which is what I think the bell is, then that's how you create a flying saucer.

• 2:34:35AJ Gentile?

  So this isn't reverse engineered, then? This is just a genius?

• 2:34:38Speaker 03

  This is a genius. There was Schellenberger, I think it was, who had all these different ways to control disc-shaped apparatus against the pull of gravity and air and all that stuff. So we have all this stuff and it's really interesting. And it goes into the, you know, 1920s. And you have Tesla's research, which is interesting stuff, but completely different. And then along comes this guy in the 1920s named T. Townsend Brown.

• 2:35:05AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:35:06Speaker 03

  And what is T. Townsend Brown doing? Well, he's building disc-shaped test rigs. Of multi-layers of electrically conducting and dielectric materials. Kind of a lot like, do you remember Art's Parts?

• 2:35:22AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:35:23Speaker 03

  Linda Wolltenhow? Kind of exactly like that.

• 2:35:25AJ Gentile?

  Is he the G-engine guy?

• 2:35:28AJ Gentile?

  I know that anti-gravity was very, they were very open about it and then it suddenly disappeared.

• 2:35:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll get to that story. We're getting there.

• 2:35:36AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:35:37Speaker 03

  So then he is doing these experiments where he's electrifying these disks and he finds out, now again, I'm not an electrical guy. They flash electricity, high voltage electricity into these metal disks, which are made of these layers which he patented and I believe are still classified patents as to exactly how you build these. And all of the positively charged ions?

• 2:36:05AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:36:06Speaker 03

  Go to one pole and the negatively charged ions go to the other pole and the thing shoots in the direction of the positive pole. Simply by electrifying it. Then he discovers that the more-

• 2:36:19AJ Gentile?

  But it has to repel from something. The earth's magnet? No?

• 2:36:22Speaker 03

  No, because what it does is the electricity creates a trough, gravity trough in front of the disk in the positively charged polar direction and it just falls in that direction.

• 2:36:36AJ Gentile?

  So this, the Albaqueira engine is based on the same theory?

• 2:36:39Speaker 03

  Exactly. It's warp drive. It's basically warp drive. You're warping spacetime locally and surfing along the wave.

• 2:36:45AJ Gentile?

  Now I got it.

• 2:36:46Speaker 03

  In a straight line. This is what, this is what he, he's experimenting with. And he claimed, you know, he claimed success, right? And he finds that the more massive the disk is, the better the effect. And then he figures out that, well, it wears off after a while. So he starts thousands of times a second, charging, charge, stop, charge, stop, charge, like that. And according to the papers and stuff and the articles about the guy, it works. He basically negates gravity. So this is another way to negate the effects of gravity. And that, that episode, I think I watched it on the, on the stream you have going. It came up, you know, I'm like, the plasma one and the electric universe, just fascinating because there's so much stuff in there that's probably true, right? So T. Townsend Brown is doing his work.

• 2:37:31Speaker 03

  He goes through all the problems that inventors always go through. He loses his funding, he gains his funding, but after the war-

• 2:37:40Speaker 03

  The US Defense Department, after the Foo Fighters and all that stuff, and MJ-12 comes into existence, all of the defense contractors are nuts about anti-gravity. They are crazy for it. We've got ads that were placed in papers and stuff.

• 2:37:55AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:37:55Speaker 03

  We're looking for engineers, looking for theoretical physicists. Oh, like Hermann Oberth and Werner von Braun and people like that. Just absolutely crazy to get into this. And it goes all the way up to 1958, and then it stops.

• 2:38:11AJ Gentile?

  That's correct. Stops.

• 2:38:12Speaker 03

  Do you know what happened in 1958?

• 2:38:14AJ Gentile?

  I can guess, but go ahead.

• 2:38:15Speaker 03

  T. Townsend Brown sat down with the Office of Naval Intelligence and issued them a report, I think it was Project 1794, titled "How to Make an American Flying Saucer." And it's got a little illustration and everything. It's really cool. You can find it out there.

• 2:38:32AJ Gentile?

  Can you find that?

• 2:38:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:38:32AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:38:33Speaker 03

  I got it somewhere on my computer. So they took his information, said, "Thank you very much," and then they took everything black.

• 2:38:43AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:38:43Speaker 03

  And to me, the proof of it, you know, technology curves, right? Obviously.

• 2:38:47AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:48Speaker 03

  Whether it's processors or whatever. So you've got the, what do they call it? The, not Murphy, but...

• 2:38:54AJ Gentile?

  Moore's Law?

• 2:38:55Speaker 03

  Moore's Law, yeah. Where the technology gets faster and faster and faster. So you look at the speed of human, of transportation. You've got a man walking, you know? Maybe if he's a fast guy like Tyreek Hill, he can run 22 miles an hour. And he gets on a horse, maybe he gets it to 28 miles an hour on a horse. Horse and carriage, wow, now we're close to 30. Oh, the first steam train, we're at 35 or 40 miles an hour. Then we have balloon, can go as fast as the wind can blow it, right? Hot air balloon. Then we have propeller airplanes, which can go a couple of hundred miles an hour in some cases. Then we have jet airplanes, which can go supersonic. And then we have chemical rockets, which have gotten up to about,

• 2:39:36Speaker 03

  I think at a max, 28,000 miles per hour, measured relative to everything else. So the curve on speed of transportation goes from Roman times, or basically, let's say, the 1800s, because we...

• 2:39:48AJ Gentile?

  1800s, really?

• 2:39:49Speaker 03

  Basically, horses and carriage, to chemical rockets like that.

• 2:39:57Speaker 03

  And then you're telling me that in 1960, we've flatlined ever since?

• 2:40:02AJ Gentile?

  No way.

• 2:40:03Speaker 03

  There's no way, if you follow that curve, there is no way. So that we made a breakthrough in 1960, give or take, for basically flying saucer technology. And I think that's what Mark McLandish saw.

• 2:40:16AJ Gentile?

  I do too.

• 2:40:17Speaker 03

  Was, so, so we have the technology. I'm sure we have had the technology since 1960, basically flying saucer technology. Maybe we can't go to Alpha Centauri, like the Jupiter II, you know, lost in space, we can't do that yet, maybe we can't. But we can do anything here locally that flying saucers can do. From 1960 onward, I'm positive.

• 2:40:39AJ Gentile?

  But those people that control that technology, I don't believe they have any interest in going to Jupiter. But here's my question, gets back to your, your bullshit. How do you, how, how are you powering that crap? Can you zero point, is that zero point?

• 2:40:53Speaker 03

  All you have to do is figure out, again, it's rotation. You have the internal system, that's probably why the red mercury rotating with counter rotating magnetic fields and bars inside creates, I don't want to say a singularity, because that's all bullshit anyway.

• 2:41:10AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:41:10Speaker 03

  But, but it's, it's.

• 2:41:11AJ Gentile?

  But it could pull energy out.

• 2:41:13Speaker 03

  It's gating energy out. And, and once you open that window, it's simply a question of, it's like, it's like the thrust vector or, or a thruster, you know? It's just how far open do you want to go? How much do you want to push out or pull in? Because you're pulling it in from the higher dimension. So that's probably how you power it.

• 2:41:31AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:41:31Speaker 03

  But they, you know, this may have led them to many other things like plasma reactors and all that. I don't, I don't know. And it doesn't take that much electrical power, according to Brown and his experiments, to make the thing, I mean, you're defining the law, the so-called laws of physics. You're already defining that by simply electrifying the hull in the right way with the right materials and creating the gravity trough.

• 2:41:51AJ Gentile?

  I don't think, I think that's defying our laws of physics, but probably not universal.

• 2:41:56Speaker 03

  The, right, the laws of physics that we're taught, we're allowed to believe in. That's why when I see these people in the congressional hearings. Well, this defies all the laws of physics. I'm like, I think we could, I think we broke all those in like 1960.

• 2:42:09AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:42:09Speaker 03

  So this idea that, oh, their technology is so much more advanced than ours. No, it's not. Cause we've broke, we busted all these theories. We've figured them all out a long time ago.

• 2:42:19AJ Gentile?

  So they're using this technology. Is there a secret fleet? Is there a solar warden?

• 2:42:23Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 2:42:24AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:42:24Speaker 03

  You know, whether you want to call it solar war. I mean, I, John Leonard Walson stuff, I don't know what those things are, but those are pretty wild. Right? Um, so you have access to this technology, but are you fighting wars in space? Are you, who are the factions? Did the Nazis come, you know, did, did they, did they start their own separate line? And go out, are they one of the factions out there? And are they necessarily the bad guys? You know, there are people who say, no, these guys are way worse than them. And there's the reptilians, the lizard people.

• 2:42:56AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:42:57Speaker 03

  You know, so as long as they're fighting each other and they're not involving me, I'm, I'm kind of okay with it.

• 2:43:02AJ Gentile?

  Why aren't we aware of any of it?

• 2:43:04Speaker 03

  Are, I, I don't know. Are we looking? I mean, Walson? Is anybody doing what he's doing? Trying to prove him wrong?

• 2:43:13AJ Gentile?

  No. I mean, when, when I talk about this, people will say, well, we would know if they were launching rockets into space and all of that. But my argument is they're not rockets.

• 2:43:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:43:23AJ Gentile?

  They're just floating stuff up there.

• 2:43:25Speaker 03

  They're just quietly.

• 2:43:26AJ Gentile?

  Quietly floating stuff up.

• 2:43:27Speaker 03

  Which by the way, brings me to some videos I'd love to show you.

• 2:43:30AJ Gentile?

  Can, we can call them up.

• 2:43:31Speaker 03

  Okay. So you know, I, I see the videos, the TTSa stuff and we've talked about that. I guess we're going to do that later. And to me, those are all conventional aircraft, spacecraft of some kind. I'm not impressed by them.

• 2:43:44AJ Gentile?

  I tend to agree.

• 2:43:47AJ Gentile?

  Are we looking at Sidonya?

• 2:43:48Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. By the way, uh, this is a pyramid in China. And this is a pyramid on Mars. And you notice the slumping, you notice the curvature.

• 2:44:03AJ Gentile?

  I also noticed that they're eight sided, which.

• 2:44:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. You tell me the difference between those two. I, I can't. Except one's on Mars, so it must be natural.

• 2:44:13AJ Gentile?

  The, uh, the pyramid on Mars, that's huge, right? Are we talking a couple of miles?

• 2:44:19Speaker 03

  Of this one or any one of, like the D and M pyramid by the face? Yeah. Yeah. It's a mile and a half. Long by a mile and 3/4 wide, but it's pentagonal and it's just absolutely fascinating. And it's also, the DNM Pyramid is what it's called, named after D. Pietro and Molinar. It's bilaterally symmetrical about two different axes. Okay, I'm just gonna tell you, somebody built that. There's just like, there's no arguing on that.

• 2:44:43AJ Gentile?

  Send a surveyor there, what are we doing?

• 2:44:46Speaker 03

  Right, and you know, the close up pictures, I know, I know, you know, you're not wild about the close up pictures of the face on Mars, but I can show you stuff on there that's, that's all artificial. These are walls, you know, these are rooms, so.

• 2:44:59AJ Gentile?

  I wanna believe.

• 2:45:00Speaker 03

  It's just a question of getting to it, and there's this one place, this Vatican City on Mars, but.

• 2:45:05AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 2:45:06Speaker 03

  Oh, you haven't seen that one?

• 2:45:08AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 2:45:08Speaker 03

  Okay, well, what were we gonna do? We were gonna go look at secret space program videos.

• 2:45:12AJ Gentile?

  Yes, Mars, we'll do another day, just because there's so much.

• 2:45:15Speaker 03

  Can I tease you though? Just a little bit?

• 2:45:17AJ Gentile?

  Sure, sure.

• 2:45:18Speaker 03

  Okay, so.

• 2:45:22AJ Gentile?

  I hope there's nothing on your thumb drive that's gonna get us in trouble.

• 2:45:26Speaker 03

  Well, it doesn't say Amaranth, so I'm okay.

• 2:45:27AJ Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 2:45:29Speaker 03

  You don't have, yeah, you don't have it, you can't do it, okay. So, this is not in any of the books, it's gonna go in the next edition, but this guy.

• 2:45:38AJ Gentile?

  You're working on another book?

• 2:45:39Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:45:40AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:45:41Speaker 03

  I'd rather poke needles in my eyes, but, but there's an image, and I don't have, I can't, this is bizarre, I can't get a JP2 viewer to work on my computer, any of them, but this is a JP2, and it was discovered by, oh god, I'm sorry, I've forgotten your name, god dang it.

• 2:46:01AJ Gentile?

  We'll splice it in later.

• 2:46:02Speaker 03

  Scottish researcher, brilliant guy, I'll figure out his name. And he's looking at this JP2, which is ESP091903, blah blah blah, red, okay. And he's looking, and I went through and I downloaded this on a previous computer when I could get JP2s to load, and I went and looked, and this is really there. So he, he's looking at this thing, and you know, these images from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter are gigantic, like, you have to, you know, you spend an hour and a half, and you've barely covered a quarter of it, or a tenth of it. And he looks and he starts looking on Mars and he zooms up and he starts to see stuff.

• 2:46:44AJ Gentile?

  I've seen these.

• 2:46:45Speaker 03

  And what does he see? He sees blocks and mud flows and then he sees this linear pattern.

• 2:46:52AJ Gentile?

  If you're listening on an audio platform, go to YouTube like right now.

• 2:46:56Speaker 03

  It's like awesome. And the closer you get, the more obvious it becomes that these are foundations of buildings. The only problem is they're on Mars.

• 2:47:08AJ Gentile?

  Foundations, it looks like there's actual buildings.

• 2:47:10Speaker 03

  And there's actual buildings and there's streets and see this one right here? I like that one.

• 2:47:15AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:47:16Speaker 03

  I call that, that's why I call it Vatican City, because that looks like the Vatican dome to me.

• 2:47:21AJ Gentile?

  It does.

• 2:47:22Speaker 03

  And there's other buildings. Now, this is, what's happening here is these blocks, this is all filled in with silt and mud. These are exposed somehow, some way. And the closer you get to this, the more obvious it becomes that every single bit of this is parallel, artificial structure.

• 2:47:39AJ Gentile?

  How much of this is enhanced?

• 2:47:41Speaker 03

  Oh, virtually none.

• 2:47:42AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:47:42Speaker 03

  I like, like you could, because if you look at this, this is still in his JP2 viewer.

• 2:47:48AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:47:48Speaker 03

  He's not put this in Photoshop yet. And I, and I went and I, I went through and I looked and it looks exactly like this with no, I haven't, nobody's gone through and enhanced the white lines of the walls or any of that stuff. So when people want to tell me there's nothing artificial on Mars, I'm like, yeah, sure. Okay, whatever, buddy. I actually have this in my wall, somebody printed it out for me.

• 2:48:09AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, these are crazy. These are, these are crazy.

• 2:48:13Speaker 03

  So, anyway, that's a, that's a city.

• 2:48:17AJ Gentile?

  All right, we need to take one last break and come back and do some secret space programming.

• 2:48:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, because then I want to show you, we, we talk about the other videos. I want to show you the real videos.

• 2:48:30AJ Gentile?

  So, we need to have you back, obviously, but we have to blast through "secret space program," disclosure, which I'm putting in quotes.

• 2:48:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:48:40AJ Gentile?

  My big question is, how can so many people keep this a secret for so long?

• 2:48:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:48:45AJ Gentile?

  Thousands, 20,000, 100,000, how do you keep this a secret?

• 2:48:50Speaker 03

  Are we doing it now?

• 2:48:51AJ Gentile?

  We're doing it, we're talking.

• 2:48:56Speaker 03

  They're secret. These people aren't here. You know, you had the whole thing with Gary McKinnon, the non-terrestrial officers list.

• 2:49:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:49:06Speaker 03

  They're not on the planet, so they're not talking about it. And people have talked about it, that have been there. Now, we have the whole 20 and Back program. We have all the people that have been through the secret space program that kind of tell the same story. And are they believable?

• 2:49:22AJ Gentile?

  Most...

• 2:49:22Speaker 03

  Not really.

• 2:49:22AJ Gentile?

  Not really?

• 2:49:23Speaker 03

  Because it's the same story kind of over and over again. But, one of the things I can accept happens, you know, MKUltra is a real thing.

• 2:49:31AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:49:31Speaker 03

  Brainwashing is a real thing. Implants are a real thing. You know, I've got this hearing problem, I'm gonna get an MRI. It's like, what if they find something in there? You know? Take that sucker out, maybe my hearing will get better again. These are real things. And, so, people do have these experiences. I mean, basically, how can you say alien implants or secret space program implants are not real when Elon Musk has literally invented a brain implant? Okay? So, they are real.

• 2:49:59AJ Gentile?

  So, even the whole support structure? The guy who mops the floor, ground control, everybody? Could be just brainwash, controlled?

• 2:50:05Speaker 03

  It could be that they're, yeah, and memory loss. You know, I've known a lot of people that have been abducted over the years, that, I think, a lot of it, there's mass memories, there's how does your body, your brain, adapt to the trauma of what you experienced in some of this? So, some of this stuff, I believe. And I can see where they're, you know, they're just, they're coping.

• 2:50:30Speaker 03

  They're coping with the memories of what they have. And the thing is, is that where's the tangible proof? If this is a superior technology,

• 2:50:40Speaker 03

  how are you going to prove that you were part of the secret space program? They're not going to have a dossier on you. You're not going to have a service record. So I tend to think to myself, I can't discount exactly everything that these people say. But I will admit, there's not much proof of it, except when you go through and make a case. Well, we had this technology and it looks like we had this. And you have stories like Mark McClandish.

• 2:51:04AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:51:05Speaker 03

  And then you have some video footage of things that I think are more likely to be secret space program than aliens.

• 2:51:12AJ Gentile?

  I think I have an episode coming up on Bell Labs, how all of a sudden they have fiber optics and microchips and all that, all kinds of things suddenly.

• 2:51:20Speaker 03

  Where'd they get, if Philip Corso was lying, where'd they get the ideas from?

• 2:51:24AJ Gentile?

  Right. Right.

• 2:51:26Speaker 03

  It's a Terminator 2 thing. Well, we didn't really know how it worked, but it gave us ideas and it's thinking certain directions we wouldn't have gone in.

• 2:51:33AJ Gentile?

  So before we get to your videos, let's just wrap up on disclosure.

• 2:51:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:51:38AJ Gentile?

  I tend to not trust anyone from intelligence, military intelligence, naval intelligence, air force intelligence, pre-approved from the Pentagon. These sound like spokespeople to me, not whistleblowers.

• 2:51:49Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:51:49AJ Gentile?

  Where are you on this?

• 2:51:50Speaker 03

  I'm 100% with you on that. You look at all these people that are influencing this congressional committee. Tim Burchett, stand-up guy.

• 2:51:59AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:52:00Speaker 03

  Guy who wants to get to the truth, smart guy.

• 2:52:03Speaker 03

  Anna Paulina Luna, I think she's serious about this too.

• 2:52:05AJ Gentile?

  Agreed.

• 2:52:06Speaker 03

  But they're not getting the right advice from the right people. These people are part of the cover-up, not part, they're not going to lead us to the truth, they're not going to lead us to the solution. Because they all come from the intelligence community with the intelligence community agenda.

• 2:52:24Speaker 03

  As I've been watching this, it started with the TTSA videos in 2017. Why'd they release those? All of a sudden, it's aliens, UFOs, aliens, UFOs. And everybody's on TV talking about aliens and UFOs. Elizondo comes out. He's telling us, oh, this is a flying saucer. And that's a flying saucer. And by the way, I have a book deal and a TV show and all that stuff.

• 2:52:42AJ Gentile?

  Right. And that photo is fake and I apologize.

• 2:52:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. I apologize for this crop circle, crop thing being a UFO, not being a UFO. And the chandelier behind me and, you know.

• 2:52:53AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:52:53Speaker 03

  Okay. So, these people, Grush, I hate to say it, they don't have any credibility. Christopher Mellon, remember when Mellon got up there for TTSA in front of a picture of a birthday balloon, talking about UAPs?

• 2:53:08AJ Gentile?

  I do it. I do.

• 2:53:09Speaker 03

  It's ridiculous.

• 2:53:10AJ Gentile?

  People ask me what I thought about the age of disclosure. I said it made me furious because everybody who contributed was part of the IC. And it was the first time Hal Puthoff admitted to how they bury these SAPs inside private contractors to avoid FOIA requests. And I've been saying that a long time and get attacked for it. Here's his own words. This is how we hide it from you.

• 2:53:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:53:32AJ Gentile?

  And I didn't see anyone. If you put James Clapper in.

• 2:53:35Speaker 03

  Clapper, yeah.

• 2:53:37AJ Gentile?

  You know, he shouldn't be doing TV. He should be doing time.

• 2:53:40Speaker 03

  Well, that may be coming, so let's wait and see how that works out.

• 2:53:44AJ Gentile?

  If there's just, it's coming.

• 2:53:45Speaker 03

  And I agree. And I'm looking at these people and I'm like, how did these people become UFO experts? You know, I've been lucky. I've been on, I've been on some shows. I've been on the news a few times. But how does, how does Elizondo become the UFO spokesman? What is his job? What was his job at the Pentagon? Forgetting the whole ATIP thing, whether it even existed, whether he ever ran it. What's his job?

• 2:54:14AJ Gentile?

  Counter intel.

• 2:54:14Speaker 03

  He's an Army counterintelligence grunt. So, what does he know about aerospace and space travel?

• 2:54:22AJ Gentile?

  Grush also counterintelligence?

• 2:54:23Speaker 03

  Grush was counterintel.

• 2:54:25AJ Gentile?

  So, is this a limited hangout? Is this, are they dripping disclosure? Are they preparing us? Or is this all a smokescreen? What are they doing? Because they're doing something and we're learning nothing.

• 2:54:36Speaker 03

  I should have, I should have told you before we started, please don't ask me any questions you don't really want the answer to, so I'm going to give you an answer.

• 2:54:44AJ Gentile?

  Fire away.

• 2:54:47Speaker 03

  There are two polarized states of consciousness in this universe, I think philosophically. The Christ consciousness and the satanic consciousness. What we are looking at is they are trying to elevate the alien above man. I am a firm believer that man has a very special relationship to God, that we are his chosen people. Maybe not any specific members, but we are here for a reason, that we are important. That's why the aliens are here, is because of us. It doesn't have to do with oil, they don't need our oil, they don't need water, they

• 2:55:32Speaker 03

  don't need air, they don't need gold. The only thing worth having on this planet is us. And I think it's because their path back to God, back to source, back to creation, call it what you want, is dead. You look at the grays, what did they choose? Intellect with no love. We chose free will. And I think they think that they can get there through our genetics. If they can steal what God gave us, they can become like us and survive.

• 2:56:06AJ Gentile?

  I'm slowly coming around to that there is a major spiritual element to this.

• 2:56:11Speaker 03

  There, it's unavoidable.

• 2:56:13AJ Gentile?

  So are these aliens actually extraterrestrial, or are they...

• 2:56:18Speaker 03

  Yes, I believe so. Yeah, I don't believe they're related to us. If they were, they wouldn't need our genetics. The point is, we're not on their planet. We're not coring out, you know, the cornholes of their animals. We're not experimenting on them. We're not crossbreeding with them. Why? Because we don't need them. They need us. And the problem that just drives me nuts about all this is that everybody who's involved in this, everybody who's getting...

• 2:56:48Speaker 03

  The time to talk about this is trying to elevate the alien above us.

• 2:56:53AJ Gentile?

  A threat.

• 2:56:53Speaker 03

  They are weaker than us. If they weren't weaker than us, they wouldn't freaking be here.

• 2:56:59AJ Gentile?

  Elizondo said this is the biggest national security threat.

• 2:57:02Speaker 03

  It's not. If they could do anything, they would have done it.

• 2:57:06AJ Gentile?

  Of course. I think the only thing they've done is stop us from using nuclear weapons.

• 2:57:11Speaker 03

  Possibly.

• 2:57:12AJ Gentile?

  Well, I hope, I hope they continue to do that.

• 2:57:15Speaker 03

  So I've been trying to figure that out. I'm like, looking at the TTSA stuff. I'm like, there's an agenda here. What's the political agenda? And it took me a long time to figure it out. And the answer is, I believe ultimately that, and I don't think Elizondo's a mastermind of any of this, or Grush, or Mellon, you know, none of these guys know anything about aviation. So you have this committee thing where you show what's clearly a video, remember the last hearing, clearly a video of a drone or a missile hitting a targeting balloon that's being dragged by an airplane.

• 2:57:45AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:57:46Speaker 03

  And saying, oh, hellfire missile hit a UAP and didn't do any damage. I'm like, really? It looks like it popped to me, like a balloon popped.

• 2:57:53AJ Gentile?

  Which is, which is how they test those, by the way.

• 2:57:55Speaker 03

  Right, exactly how they test those. So they have, and that's, then the, oh, the, look at the three little things that come out. Yeah, those are, those are telemetry sensors that are tethered to the inside of the balloon. So they don't have anybody with any expertise on aviation advising them. They've got all these guys from the intelligence community who are business people and counterintelligence grunts and have all these other assignments that have nothing to do with what are we actually looking at here. So they're not getting any good advice on the committee. And the whole purpose of it, because they keep repeating it, because the Congress keeps being told, oh, this is superior to our technology. No, it's not. As we just discussed, I, we've had, we've had flying saucer technology, I

• 2:58:36Speaker 03

  think, since 1960. So they're not superior to us. And, and, and the idea is to elevate the alien above the man, above man, so that they can then eventually exert a level of control over us that they can't otherwise do if we didn't buy into that. So I'm here to fight against that mentality.

• 2:59:00AJ Gentile?

  Well, good.

• 2:59:01Speaker 03

  If the alien was better than us, why are they here? We're not on their planet.

• 2:59:07AJ Gentile?

  If anti-gravity and zero-point energy became widely available, that is the end of the entire power structure of this planet.

• 2:59:14Speaker 03

  I believe they are widely available, but they're being kept from the public.

• 2:59:18AJ Gentile?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:59:19Speaker 03

  So I think we've had it. And here's the best analogy. Remember when you first started driving?

• 2:59:25AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:59:26Speaker 03

  I was terrified.

• 2:59:27AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:59:27Speaker 03

  I actually didn't do it when I was 16. I waited until I was 18.

• 2:59:30AJ Gentile?

  I failed my first driver's test.

• 2:59:32Speaker 03

  Did I? I think I got... I couldn't believe how lucky I got on my parallel parking. But here's the thing. When you first start driving, you're inferior, even if you have a car, just like, you know, that guy's Ferrari is a car. My Toyota is a car. My Buick Skylark, in my case, is a car. But after a year, after a year or so, you're equal.

• 2:59:56AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:59:56Speaker 03

  Right? You've learned everything you need to learn about driving the first year you drive a car. We've had the keys since 1960.

• 3:00:03AJ Gentile?

  But it's not we, it's they. And who are they?

• 3:00:06Speaker 03

  They people who are a part of the secret governments and cabals that are controlling the flow of information.

• 3:00:11AJ Gentile?

  Is that an extension of MJ12?

• 3:00:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so ultimately, because if it's not MJ12 specifically, it's MJ12 symbolically in terms of, you know, they then scattered out and splintered into all these other smaller groups. So what we have to do is crack open those eggs. Just break one of them and get our hands on the technology or get the technology released somehow, which I do think that we're getting close to that.

• 3:00:39AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I don't want any more intel guys. I want some low-level scientist who sneaks out of a piece of equipment or something. That's what I want.

• 3:00:47Speaker 03

  You mean like Bob Lazar?

• 3:00:48AJ Gentile?

  Like Bob Lazar.

• 3:00:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. And by the way, I'll tell you about Bob Lazar. You know, I worked in aerospace for a long time. People tried to say, oh, he was, he might have been at Area 51, but he was the cook, you know? He's a scientist or an engineer, one of those two. He's a very intelligent man.

• 3:01:03AJ Gentile?

  He is, and he turned out to be right about a few things.

• 3:01:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:01:05AJ Gentile?

  All right, you have some videos for us?

• 3:01:07Speaker 03

  Well, so the point is that these, this technology does exist and it has existed for quite some time.

• 3:01:17Speaker 03

  The videos that they show in these hearings, every single one of them, I can, I can explain. You know, USS Omaha, um, the, the last one with the test. All this stuff, all the TTSA stuff, all can be explained as conventional drones.

• 3:01:31AJ Gentile?

  Tic Tac, Fravor.

• 3:01:33Speaker 03

  Tic Tac, yeah, Tic Tac, Tic Tac, you know, oh, and the Tic Tac zooms off the side of the screen. And I'm like, did anybody notice in the reticule there, the little, it says zoom factor?

• 3:01:42AJ Gentile?

  Notice the newer videos, they're cropping that out.

• 3:01:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. And they just, so they just actually zoomed too far and lost.

• 3:01:48AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 3:01:49Speaker 03

  Lock, and then the video ends. So I give you, I, I, just, can I see the next five seconds of that video where you zoom back out and reacquire the target? Now, the Tic Tac might be some sort of exotic drone or something, but it's, there's nothing in any of those videos that shows me anything that's not conventional. All below the speed of sound, all at regular altitudes. But then there's other stuff, and I'm like, why are they not talking about this? Why is the testimony of Robert O'Dean not being read into the Congressional Record? Why are we not talking about Clifford Stone's experiences with the crash retrievals? You know, he was a sweet guy, an honest guy. I interviewed him. There's not a, there's not a dishonest bone in his body. Why is this not there? Why aren't we talking? Why isn't Whitley Streper in front of this, this committee? Now, people have problems with Whitley.

• 3:02:34Speaker 03

  I do sometimes, I don't sometimes, but his story deserves to be heard.

• 3:02:39AJ Gentile?

  Something happened to him. There's no question, something happened to Whitley.

• 3:02:41Speaker 03

  Something very traumatic happened to him. So then the question becomes, okay, what, why do we not see these videos? How do I maximize this?

• 3:02:49AJ Gentile?

  Same thing with that green, with that green button number left.

• 3:02:51Speaker 03

  Okay. So why do we not see these videos? This video here, this is STS 48 from, I believe, 1991. It was played on the Larry King Show.

• 3:03:03AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:03:04Speaker 03

  Among many others. And I've debated this, argued this with, um, you know, with NASA guys, and won every time. And, um, this is, but this is not being discussed, and I don't think the people on the committee even know this video exists. You want video of flying saucer? Here, let me show you one. Let me show you one. This is STS 48. 1991, over Australia. This is the air glow layer of the Earth. Top right there, this is the hard horizon of the Earth.

• 3:03:39AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 3:03:40Speaker 03

  These objects, some of them are stars in the background, some of them are

• 3:03:46Speaker 03

  maybe ice crystals tumbling. This, I don't know what exactly this is, it's like some sort of mark on there, but

• 3:03:53AJ Gentile?

  That looks like a smudge.

• 3:03:54Speaker 03

  If you, it's not a smudge, it's a light.

• 3:03:56AJ Gentile?

  Oh, okay.

• 3:03:57Speaker 03

  It's something, I mean, I've looked at it, so if you notice, down below, in the dark part of the Earth there, this is at night, it's moving into the sunrise, the shuttle is moving into the sunrise. Notice there are objects that are moving around down there.

• 3:04:10AJ Gentile?

  What are those flashes of light we're seeing on the

• 3:04:12Speaker 03

  That's lightning.

• 3:04:13AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 3:04:14Speaker 03

  Which is interesting, because the next video I'm going to show you, it's pretty interesting stuff. Now, if you watch the center of the screen, right about in here, in a couple minutes, you're gonna see an object. And that object is gonna pop right up over the physical horizon.

• 3:04:33AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 3:04:33Speaker 03

  And then it's gonna move to the left, and then something's gonna happen.

• 3:04:42Speaker 03

  Okay, come on, play.

• 3:04:44AJ Gentile?

  It says it's still playing.

• 3:04:46Speaker 03

  Okay. So.

• 3:04:50AJ Gentile?

  Is it slowed down, or is that our computer?

• 3:04:53Speaker 03

  I think it's the computer.

• 3:04:55AJ Gentile?

  Maybe just pause it for a quick second, maybe let it catch up.

• 3:04:58Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 3:04:58AJ Gentile?

  There we go.

• 3:05:02Speaker 03

  So there it pops up, flies along

• 3:05:04AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 3:05:04Speaker 03

  Right over the horizon, and then

• 3:05:11AJ Gentile?

  I see it.

• 3:05:15Speaker 03

  Bang.

• 3:05:16AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 3:05:17Speaker 03

  One shot fired, two shots fired.

• 3:05:20AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 3:05:21Speaker 03

  Forty-five degree turn, instantly.

• 3:05:24AJ Gentile?

  Into space.

• 3:05:26Speaker 03

  Into space.

• 3:05:27AJ Gentile?

  So this is not an aircraft reflection, it flew into space?

• 3:05:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:05:32AJ Gentile?

  And what did we see, were those launches?

• 3:05:35Speaker 03

  Well, let's talk about that, let's catch it, so it pops up over the physical horizon.

• 3:05:38AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 3:05:40Speaker 03

  It had to be, and you know, people have done calculations on this before, it has to be about as big as the space shuttle, even be visible. It pops up over the horizon, it flies along the horizon, the physical horizon of the Earth, the flash goes off. Come on, come on, baby.

• 3:05:59Speaker 03

  Flies along the physical horizon and it's traveling at several thousand miles per hour, apparently in the atmosphere.

• 3:06:05AJ Gentile?

  Right. I mean, it must be, we see the curvature of the earth.

• 3:06:08Speaker 03

  Yep. Sorry for you flat earthers there. And then bang, it turns, it accelerates, it goes through the airglow layer, one thing, two things, gets shot and it disappears. So, couple of interesting factoids about this video.

• 3:06:30Speaker 03

  Dr. Jack Kasher of Nebraska, physicist of Nebraska, out of Nebraska, said, broke it down frame by frame. He said, "The object, when the flash goes off, actually stops for 1.5 seconds, comes to a complete dead stop, goes from a couple, like a thousand miles an hour to a dead stop, and then 45 degrees." The turn itself, if there was a physical pilot inside, would be the equivalent of dropping like a 14-story building on you. So whatever this is, it has an inertial dampening field, which is, makes it able to make a turn like that. Flying along, stop, and then shh, like that.

• 3:07:11AJ Gentile?

  And, but that also fits into that, the warp drive we were talking about.

• 3:07:14Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, exactly. The, the technology we talked about earlier that...

• 3:07:17AJ Gentile?

  Right, you have no inertia in that, inside there.

• 3:07:19Speaker 03

  Exactly, you're, you're, because you're in a, you're, in Star Trek, it's a subspace bubble, right? And, which is why photon computers wouldn't really work, but we're not going to get into that.

• 3:07:30Speaker 03

  And then, the, okay, so then, the flash. Now, I've argued this with James Oberg, big fat NASA guy, and gone back and forth with lots of them.

• 3:07:40AJ Gentile?

  Let's not attack his weight.

• 3:07:43AJ Gentile?

  Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

• 3:07:45Speaker 03

  Come on, last time I heard from him, I'm like, "You're still alive?" Anyway.

• 3:07:51Speaker 03

  Sorry, but, okay, so, James Oberg, I've already argued with this guy. "Oh, well, that's just a, that's just a vernier thruster on the shuttle." You know, they have these little thrusters, maneuvering thrusters, right? So, the flash. So, what he didn't know, is that I know a guy, L. Blaine Hammond, I know a guy who...

• 3:08:13Speaker 03

  Used to fly the space shuttle. Flew seven shuttle missions. He's a pilot. So I had him at MUFON OC with Dr. Bob Wood. And I said, Blaine, have you ever seen a flash like that? He goes, never.

• 3:08:30AJ Gentile?

  Never.

• 3:08:30Speaker 03

  I've been in space for like 100 hours and the thrusters don't do that. You don't see a flash. You see nothing. Whatever that is, it's got nothing to do with the space shuttle. And then the streaks. Okay.

• 3:08:42AJ Gentile?

  I wonder about those.

• 3:08:43Speaker 03

  Guess where they were? Right over the CIA base at Pine Gap, Australia.

• 3:08:49AJ Gentile?

  No way.

• 3:08:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:08:51AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 3:08:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:08:53AJ Gentile?

  So what were the streaks?

• 3:08:55Speaker 03

  Well.

• 3:08:56AJ Gentile?

  Because they were moving really fast.

• 3:08:58Speaker 03

  Hoagland actually speculated in his excellent analysis on this that they were probably a railgun. That a railgun, which is just super accelerates particles into space. But it was no match, obviously, for what we saw on the video. Absolutely no match.

• 3:09:15AJ Gentile?

  This was in the 90s?

• 3:09:16Speaker 03

  1991.

• 3:09:17AJ Gentile?

  I didn't, I.

• 3:09:19Speaker 03

  Don Ecker, I want to credit Don Ecker. I think it's Don Ecker who found this. Just recorded it one night on NASA Select TV. Now, I've heard there are higher resolution versions of this, but I don't know that for a fact.

• 3:09:31AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 3:09:31Speaker 03

  So this is, this is one of the ones floating around.

• 3:09:34AJ Gentile?

  Well, railgun tech is real now, but we're talking 30 years ago.

• 3:09:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:09:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. So what do we have now? Now, this one's even better. I like this one even better. But again, the point being, why is the committee not being shown this? I mean, I'd be happy to. I'd be happy to go there and show them these videos and talk about what we know about them and what studies have been done on them and just say, let's just, let's talk about these videos. Because these, there's no question, they're officially from NASA.

• 3:10:05AJ Gentile?

  Have you tried to get in touch?

• 3:10:07Speaker 03

  How do I get a whole? I know a guy.

• 3:10:09AJ Gentile?

  Through Corbell, through George?

• 3:10:11Speaker 03

  I'm not on great terms with them because I criticize them.

• 3:10:17AJ Gentile?

  Michael.

• 3:10:17Speaker 03

  I only care.

• 3:10:18AJ Gentile?

  You gotta be nice.

• 3:10:19Speaker 03

  No, I'm not going to suck up. I'm not going to suck up.

• 3:10:21AJ Gentile?

  You don't have to suck up, but you need access.

• 3:10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I'm working on it.

• 3:10:24AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 3:10:27Speaker 03

  I'll tell you off the air.

• 3:10:29AJ Gentile?

  You live here in Vegas, our rep is not going to get you there.

• 3:10:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, okay, so Tom Reed, who is the Reed abduction case, which is a really good abduction case, now you don't want to do abductions, but it's a really good one. And Tom, I believe Tom is telling the truth, knows Burchett really well. And what we're trying to do, there's a lot of political stuff with me and the Roswell Museum for some reason, but we're trying to get into Roswell this year, have Congressman Burchett there, and he's agreed to come. Whether they're going to pay me to show up, I don't know, but I might go, you know, I don't go unless I get paid, but you know, I might, I might in this case, but we're going to, I'm going to try to get ahold of him then.

• 3:11:09Speaker 03

  So we'll see.

• 3:11:09AJ Gentile?

  He would hear you out, I think.

• 3:11:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, so, okay, so this other video is from a later shuttle mission, STS-80, which took place, I believe, in 1994. STS-80, Space Transportation System 80 mission. What you are looking at is Santiago, Chile, Chile, which by the way, is at 33 degrees latitude in the southern hemisphere, just thought I'd point that out, and...

• 3:11:36AJ Gentile?

  The mace isn't in terraform, Chile, I can guarantee you that.

• 3:11:40Speaker 03

  Okay, all right. And it's nighttime, and there's, guess what, another electrical, electrical storm going on. So, let's just play this video, and I want you to watch Santiago very closely at the beginning here, because something really interesting is going to happen.

• 3:12:13AJ Gentile?

  Whoa, yeah, I'm sorry, if you're just listening, you're going to have to watch this on YouTube, that was unbelievable.

• 3:12:20Speaker 03

  It, it looks like a, well, I think hecklefish would say it's a giant sperm flying out.

• 3:12:26AJ Gentile?

  It kind of looked like it. What would be the size of that object? That was enormous.

• 3:12:30Speaker 03

  Massive, because that's a city, you're looking at the whole layout of the city there, so it would be miles, a couple of miles across.

• 3:12:36AJ Gentile?

  Could this be corroborated with, with ground video?

• 3:12:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, if anybody took it.

• 3:12:42AJ Gentile?

  Well, how could, how could that whole city just miss it?

• 3:12:45Speaker 03

  I don't know, it's a good question.

• 3:12:47AJ Gentile?

  It's massive.

• 3:12:50Speaker 03

  See if we watch it again.

• 3:12:57AJ Gentile?

  On these missions-

• 3:12:58Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm, God, passed it. Okay.

• 3:13:00AJ Gentile?

  On these old shuttle missions, do they have cameras everywhere? Or are they specifically looking at this?

• 3:13:04Speaker 03

  They had, they had specific places, but, no, there it goes again.

• 3:13:07AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:07Speaker 03

  But they could aim it, they could aim it at stuff they wanted to. Now, this video advances as it goes along. And then they zoom back out. There's the airglow layer again. This is a better video, obviously. The hard horizon is more visible. That's where we just were. There's the airglow layer. And then they start panning around. And, oh yeah, you know, just looking around. And they zoom in and they zoom out. And again, you see an electrical storm going on down there, which is interesting. I don't know what that might have to do with it, but it has something to do with it now. So then they, then they zoom in.

• 3:13:45Speaker 03

  And the camera gets a little overexposed from them zooming in too much. But watch, again, right in the middle of the screen. That's a tunnel effect from zooming in on the camera.

• 3:13:56AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 3:14:05AJ Gentile?

  I saw the flashes.

• 3:14:06Speaker 03

  More lightning, that's lightning, yeah.

• 3:14:16AJ Gentile?

  My gut tells me the lightning is important.

• 3:14:19Speaker 03

  I, I don't know why. Yeah, I agree with you, but I don't, there's a connection. So now they're gonna zoom back out.

• 3:14:26Speaker 03

  And then it's, "Say hello to my little friend."

• 3:14:28AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 3:14:30Speaker 03

  Comes flying in.

• 3:14:35Speaker 03

  Whoa!

• 3:14:36AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 3:14:37Speaker 03

  So whatever this is, hits the atmosphere.

• 3:14:40AJ Gentile?

  I think I saw the atmosphere displaced, did I not?

• 3:14:42Speaker 03

  It's possible, but this is crude video. And then it flares up. But then watch the other thing, AJ. It slows down.

• 3:14:48AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:49Speaker 03

  It's slowing down.

• 3:14:52Speaker 03

  That is a powered spacecraft in low Earth orbit hitting the atmosphere and slowing down. Now, it appears to have come to a complete stop. It's probably not. It's actually station keeping with the shuttle. In other words, it's matching velocity and distance.

• 3:15:09AJ Gentile?

  So.

• 3:15:09Speaker 03

  And what are these other things that come suddenly into the image?

• 3:15:13AJ Gentile?

  But this large object was a bright kind of circle. Now it looks hollow and.

• 3:15:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:15:19AJ Gentile?

  Oblig.

• 3:15:19Speaker 03

  Could be, it could be plasma or something, but, but I think it's a physical object because of other stuff that's gonna happen. This takes a little while to develop.

• 3:15:27AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 3:15:28Speaker 03

  Now they're like, but there's no question either on either one of these. Well, we'll talk about that in a minute. Here comes another object under the clouds. See that one coming towards it?

• 3:15:36AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 3:15:36Speaker 03

  Some friends are coming to visit him.

• 3:15:38AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:38Speaker 03

  Where'd they come from? Here's another friend coming in. He is holding his position and distance from the spacecraft.

• 3:15:47AJ Gentile?

  How far away do you think that is?

• 3:15:49Speaker 03

  Oh, I have no clue. There's another one just hit the atmosphere. Wow.

• 3:15:52AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:53Speaker 03

  Now, some of this is the primitive camera systems making it flare up, changing the shape. But it, there's a physical reaction going on, which is what's creating the bright flash. So while you're looking at that guy on the left who just hit and flared up.

• 3:16:09AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 3:16:10Speaker 03

  Now you go back to the original object who's in that dark spot there.

• 3:16:13AJ Gentile?

  I'm watching him.

• 3:16:15Speaker 03

  He's starting to move back the other direction.

• 3:16:17AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:17Speaker 03

  And again, faster than the shuttle is moving away, so it's not a camera effect. And now, a couple of friends have come up. Notice that this guy in the lower right hand corner, this guy here, he's changed direction. You cannot change direction in low Earth orbit if you are an ice crystal or a rock or a space shuttle.

• 3:16:38AJ Gentile?

  No, I mean, another object just flew in the, in the upper right.

• 3:16:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, another one over on the top there. Now, these three guys are gonna get together and have a little huddle.

• 3:16:46AJ Gentile?

  Now, look, the atmosphere is being displaced there.

• 3:16:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I would need somebody who's a really good, no, let's make a triangle. Let's make a triangle.

• 3:16:54AJ Gentile?

  Let's make a triangle.

• 3:16:55Speaker 03

  And they zoom up on it, so you know they're watching it. So you know this is not anything common.

• 3:17:00AJ Gentile?

  Let him return my audio. I'm not hearing it. I'm not hearing them comment on it.

• 3:17:10AJ Gentile?

  Because I'd love to hear the astronauts go, "Holy smokes."

• 3:17:13Speaker 03

  I don't think they're watching. This is like a camera out the back. These are cameras out the back of the shuttle. The astronauts might not even know that this stuff is going on.

• 3:17:26AJ Gentile?

  I thought I saw all these videos, but I've never seen this one.

• 3:17:32AJ Gentile?

  So, that can't be debunked. I'm pretty sure I saw some displacement there.

• 3:17:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 3:17:38AJ Gentile?

  You know, maybe not. Could have just been my eyes, but there's no question something happened. And maybe it's not glowing anymore because, you know, hey, we entered atmo. We no longer need this particular field. Wow.

• 3:17:50Speaker 03

  And you can speed it up and slow it down, but this thing changes direction, speeds up, slows down, matches course. I mean, that is a... What did McClanish call it? The...

• 3:18:04AJ Gentile?

  The ARV?

• 3:18:05Speaker 03

  The ARV. I think these are ARVs because what you're talking about here is you're talking about how did NASA know that these shows were going to be put on? They were filming the STS-48. That was a film test. Let's test our railgun. Let's film it against one of our ARVs. That's what... I don't think the aliens called up NASA and said, "Hey, we're going to be over Australia, Pine Gap. You want to take some shots at us? Just for fun? Test a few things out?" That's not what happened. So, I think these are both physical evidence, in terms of video evidence, of a secret space program that's operating.

• 3:18:44AJ Gentile?

  If these craft are here to help us, why the hell are we shooting railguns at them?

• 3:18:51Speaker 03

  To test our weaponry.

• 3:18:52AJ Gentile?

  That's... We can shoot down balloons instead, no?

• 3:18:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's... You know, we're trying to get up to speed. I mean, that's what Star Wars was all about, right?

• 3:19:02AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 3:19:02Speaker 03

  This is only... Reagan is out of office, but this is Star Wars development.

• 3:19:08AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 3:19:08Speaker 03

  Experiments. Because it's 93, 91, 92, 93, 94.

• 3:19:14Speaker 03

  But it shows you that we at least, I think, had powered flying saucers of some with some kind of flying saucer technology, heck, at least in 1991. And like I said, I think it goes back to 1960.

• 3:19:25AJ Gentile?

  I think you're right. With Trump increasing the DoD budget enormously, I wonder how much of that is, this video is amazing, how much of that is going to black programs?

• 3:19:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, enormous amounts of it. I mean, and then who, but the bigger question, who controls those black programs?

• 3:19:46AJ Gentile?

  That's the question everyone wants to know. Who are the, who are the they? Is MJ12 a lineage that continues with Bilderberg and Trilateral and all of those?

• 3:19:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 3:19:56AJ Gentile?

  Or is that just the conspiracy? Or is that the smokescreen? Like, oh, let them keep believing that Bilderberg is something secret.

• 3:20:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's probably what it is.

• 3:20:04AJ Gentile?

  Probably, while we do this over here.

• 3:20:05Speaker 03

  Right. Right. So, I mean, but again, why is the committee not looking at this?

• 3:20:14AJ Gentile?

  I have no idea.

• 3:20:15Speaker 03

  I'll tell you why. Because nobody who's connected to them either knows about this or wants them to know about it. They, they want to create their own narrative. The narrative is, I think, cast, cast in stone. The die's been cast. The narrative is, they're superior to us. If we show this stuff to the American people in the world, and it's been seen, it's been argued about, but you can't debunk it.

• 3:20:39AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 3:20:40Speaker 03

  I'll beat it, you know, I'll fight anybody who wants to try to debunk these videos. If you show this to the American people and say, this is what we've had for a long time, then suddenly the aliens don't seem quite as scary.

• 3:20:52AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 3:20:53Speaker 03

  And then you can't have your scary national security state thing. And I mean, it's right out of the Carol Rosen, Werner von Braun playbook, what's happening in Congress right now.

• 3:21:03AJ Gentile?

  Yes, it is.

• 3:21:04Speaker 03

  The aliens are next.

• 3:21:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 3:21:06Speaker 03

  We went through the Russians and the terrorists, and we tried to go back to the Russians, and now we're going to pivot to the aliens.

• 3:21:11AJ Gentile?

  You always need a boogeyman.

• 3:21:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:21:13AJ Gentile?

  And it also, you know, feeds the military state.

• 3:21:15Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:21:16AJ Gentile?

  This is one of the reasons I hope that people actually listen to this show, because, because someone like Joe Rogan could get folks to watch, you know, 10 or 20 million people would watch this video.

• 3:21:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:21:28Speaker 03

  I mean, it's amazing. I saw a tweet today that were saying, you know, if you think about it, Rogan is one of the most influential human beings on the planet in the last 10 years.

• 3:21:36AJ Gentile?

  No question.

• 3:21:37Speaker 03

  I mean, his interview with Trump, that probably swayed a huge chunk of the electorate.

• 3:21:43AJ Gentile?

  It only needed to sway a percent or so.

• 3:21:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's amazing how important that is.

• 3:21:49AJ Gentile?

  And your podcasters are just becoming way more important.

• 3:21:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:21:55AJ Gentile?

  Anything else you want to show us?

• 3:21:57Speaker 03

  Those are my two favorites.

• 3:21:58AJ Gentile?

  Those are good ones.

• 3:22:00Speaker 03

  You know, I could go through the TTSA stuff and why they're not important, but...

• 3:22:05AJ Gentile?

  We'll save it. We'll save it.

• 3:22:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:22:06AJ Gentile?

  Because we ran long, but this has been a lot of fun. Let's see, I have to have you back for one, two, three, four, five more shows. So we'll get those in the books.

• 3:22:17Speaker 03

  Those will be shorter, though. This is the, this is the marathon.

• 3:22:20AJ Gentile?

  Well, Mike Barrett, where can we find you online?

• 3:22:22Speaker 03

  MikeBarrett.blogspot.com. Just type in Mike Barrett, it comes up.

• 3:22:26AJ Gentile?

  Do you talk about this stuff on your podcast?

• 3:22:27Speaker 03

  I do. I do. Yeah, kind of on that site. I'm, right now, I'm also focused on the chaos around the world, the geopolitical chaos, and the financial aspects of it and where we're going. Because I think the entire planet is about to go through a major restructuring in everything, and aliens are part of it. But I have my books available on Amazon.com and everywhere else. And, you know, I don't do aliens as much as I used to.

• 3:22:58AJ Gentile?

  Highly recommend. We could do, we could also do a show on the financial banking system.

• 3:23:01Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 3:23:03AJ Gentile?

  But if you're not buying gold, silver, food, and ammo, I don't know what you're doing.

• 3:23:07Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't know. Buying paper currency, maybe?

• 3:23:10AJ Gentile?

  Good luck with that.

• 3:23:11Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Okay, that's what you, that's what you, let's see, let's, if we do that, let's see at the end of it if you still say good luck with that, when I get done telling you everything. Well, yeah, we, sorry, we don't have time today.

• 3:23:22AJ Gentile?

  Mike Barrett, appreciate it.

• 3:23:23Speaker 03

  Thank you very much for having me.

• 3:23:25AJ Gentile?

  So we just spent about four hours with Mike Barrett, and we covered a lot. JFK, MJ12, Nazi bell technology, glass structures on the moon, the secret space program. That's a lot of threads to pull at once. So let me try to untangle some of this. Here's what we can verify. The Kennedy-Khrushchev joint moon mission proposal? That's real. On September 20th, 1963, Kennedy stood at the UN and proposed exactly that. And here's the part that got me. Sergey Khrushchev, Nikita's son, confirmed in multiple interviews that his father visited him at his dacha just weeks before Dallas and told him he was going to accept Kennedy's offer. The timing Mike lays out checks out.

• 3:24:06AJ Gentile?

  NSAM-271, the memo Kennedy signed 10 days before his assassination, ordering NASA to begin cooperating with the Soviets on lunar exploration? That's also real. It's in the Kennedy Library, you can look it up. Now Buzz Aldrin being a 32-degree Scottish Rite Freemason? Confirmed. Taking Masonic artifacts to the moon? Documented. He carried a Scottish Rite flag to the lunar surface and performed what he called "a communion ceremony" in the lunar module. That's in the official record. And T. Townsend Brown? Real inventor. Real patents. Real anti-gravity research throughout the 1950s. Defense contractors were openly recruiting for anti-gravity programs. Then after 1958, it all goes dark. Every bit of it.

• 3:24:48AJ Gentile?

  I just covered some of this in the Project Anchor episode, about the Earth losing gravity for seven seconds. And here's what's unproven but still fun. The STS-48 video from 1991? Well, that footage has been debated for over 30 years. NASA says its ice particles reacted to thruster jets. Physicist Jack Kasher ran frame-by-frame analysis and calculated the object stopped dead for 1.5 seconds, executed a 45-degree turn, and accelerated off into space. Now Mike talked to a shuttle pilot who said he never saw a thruster flash like that in over 100 hours in orbit. Now neither explanation is complete. Now the Badge Man Theory? J.D. Tippett as the Grassy Knoll shooter? That's a big claim. There is a famous and has photograph.

• 3:25:31AJ Gentile?

  There is documentation in the 2017 JFK file dump showing Tippett and Oswald were seen together at Jack Ruby's club one week before the assassination. But connecting those dots to say a Dallas cop fired the fatal shot? Well, we can't prove that. At least, not yet. We're still waiting on more JFK files to be released. But if J.D. Tippett was the real shooter, I doubt he's in any CIA documents. Those are probably shredded or burned by now. My gut tells me one day we're going to know the full story, but that's not today. And here's what I keep coming back to. Mike's not wrong that the disclosure that we're getting feels curated. Every major voice testifying in congressional UAP hearings has an intelligence background.

• 3:26:13AJ Gentile?

  Elizondo, Rush, Mellon, counterintelligence, every single one. Not aerospace engineers, not physicists, not pilots with nothing to lose. These are intelligence officers. And that's not proof of anything, but it's notable. And that Carol Rosen story, Werner von Braun warning her on his deathbed that the last card they'd play would be a fake alien threat to justify permanent militarization of space? Well, I've heard that story for 20 years. But when you watch what's unfolding right now, the framing of UAPs as a national security crisis, the push for more black budget funding, well, it maps pretty cleanly onto what she described. Now, Mike thinks they're trying to elevate the alien above humanity to make us feel

• 3:26:56AJ Gentile?

  small, make us feel like we need protection from something bigger than us. And maybe he's right. Now, is it about control? Is it about technology worth trillions that would collapse the oil economy overnight? Or is it something else? Something so fundamental about who we are and where we come from that they genuinely don't think we can handle it? I don't know. But I'm done waiting for intelligence officers to tell me the truth about it. I'll keep an eye on this and I'll keep posted. You can find Mike's books on Amazon. That's Mike Barra, B-A-R-A. And check out his website at MikeBarra.blogspot.com. Links down below. Until next time, be safe, be kind, know that you are appreciated.

• 3:28:29Speaker 05

  I feel the crack at and got stuck inside Mel's hole with MKL truck I'm being only too aware Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone? On a film set, were the shadow people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man, I'm told And his name was Cold And I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And weapons on my feet all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth

• 3:29:13Speaker 05

  And weapons on my feet all through the night

• 3:29:34Speaker 05

  The Mothman sightings and the solar storms still come To have got the secret city underground Mysterious number stations, planets circle to Project Stargate And what the dark watchers found Then a simulation, don't you worry though The black nights had a lot of tone to me, so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And weapons on my feet all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth And weapons on my feet all through the night

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