Ep. 792: World Record Burbot, Dock Dogs, and Butt Out | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Steven Rinella, and Ryan Callaghan interview angler Sean Konrad about his myriad of world record catches, play another thrilling round of MeatEater Price is Right, and chat with Steve Powell of North America Diving Dogs about training pups for the pier. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 2:29Speaker 03

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• 2:50Speaker 04

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's noon o'clock for our friends in Birmingham, Alabama, where the Meat Eater Live Tour will visit in a few weeks on Thursday, November 13th, and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host Spencer, joined today by Steve and Cal. On today's show, we'll interview Sean Konrad about catching world record fish, then Steve and Cal will compete in Meat Eater's Price is Right, and finally, we'll interview Steve Powell, the co-owner of North American Diving Dogs. Gonna whip your ass, Steve. There we go. Steve Ornella, you got something to talk about here first before we do the rest of the show.

• 3:28Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, if people are wondering why I'm dicking with my phone, it's, uh, our friend and colleague, Dave Smith, at, you know, Dave Smith Decoys, sent this thing this morning. There was a hunter, who's a good friend of Dave's, named Devon Dobek, who on October 30th, sent a satellite text message in Mount Hood National Forest, sent it on October 30th at 7 p.m., sent a satellite text message saying he'd killed a buck. It was gonna take a while to pack it out. No one's heard from him since. So hundreds of volunteer searchers, search and rescue, sheriff's department, can't find him.

• 4:09Steven Rinella?

  They're gonna call off the search. Dave sent me a GoFundMe link, because the family...

• 4:18Steven Rinella?

  Really would want some closure here.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's been two weeks.

• 4:22Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and so they're trying to raise money for to keep people in the field. Cadaver dogs, like whatever, you know.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  What's the GoFundMe called?

• 4:33Steven Rinella?

  And Dave's been helping out on it. Man, I think it's called Help Find Devon Dobek, Mount Hood National Forest Fish Creek. That's gotta be what it's called, right, Cal? I mean, if that's the big title.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:48Steven Rinella?

  Help Find Devon Dobek, D E V O N D O B E K. I'm trying to right now, put a thing on Instagram about it.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Can we put a link in the chat, Phil? Does that work?

• 4:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I'll find a link, a share link and put it in there.

• 5:02Steven Rinella?

  So Dave's been volunteering in the search. Oh, just.

• 5:09Steven Rinella?

  What a feeling.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Sad story. If you go to the GoFundMe, you can try to help bring Devon home.

• 5:14Steven Rinella?

  So that's what I'm doing right now.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  All right. We are deep in the bullpen of meat eater radio hosts today. It was supposed to be Randall in Cal's seat, and then yesterday afternoon, Randall said, boy, I'd really like to go deer hunting. Corey, could you co-host tomorrow? Corey said, yeah, I'll do that. And then last night at like 9:00 PM, Corey texted and he said, hey, I would really like to go elk hunting in the morning. Cal, can you host? Cal, what'd you tell him?

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Said, no problem.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, no problem. So we're on our third relief host here today. Ryan Callaghan taking over for Randall, taking over for Corey, and I've heard some good news from Corey this morning. He killed a bull.

• 5:54Steven Rinella?

  Oh, thank God. He's getting a little powdy looking yesterday.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  Oh, was he?

• 5:57Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, he's looking a little salty and powdy.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  But I think that's, yeah, I don't know. I think that's awesome. You gotta chip in where you can. Get folks some days in the woods.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  Steve has really created a culture around here of skipping work to go hunting.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  So it's.

• 6:12Steven Rinella?

  Well, it's an adult culture. Battle that, man.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  You are.

• 6:14Steven Rinella?

  Like a no hunting rule.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Until, until Steve's tagged out.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  No, it's the adult culture of get your stuff done.

• 6:24Speaker 05

  Don't make it a hassle for somebody else, but yeah.

• 6:27Steven Rinella?

  You were here, didn't you get a powdy feeling off Corey, Corey yesterday?

• 6:30Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 6:31Steven Rinella?

  Been helping a lot of other people feel their, fill their freezer.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  I mean, that's true.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  Helping other people.

• 6:36Steven Rinella?

  He didn't say like, by golly, I've been helping other people fill their freezers.

• 6:41Speaker 05

  I think Corey's, Corey's earned the right to be a little snippy. He's, he's such a, he helps out everyone around here.

• 6:46Steven Rinella?

  That's coming from the king of snip over there.

• 6:50Steven Rinella?

  Cratchit.

• 6:52Speaker 05

  I'm proud of that title.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  So as we, as we sit here, Corey right now is on a mountain. Uh, he was texting me with, uh, satellite texts this morning. Maybe he'll join us later on in the show if he can get some good cell signal and we'll get that first look at a bull.

• 7:05Speaker 05

  Heck, yeah.

• 7:06Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I just have such a technical struggle. Go ahead, keep doing the show. I'm almost with you.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  Okay. Uh, I, I just got home from a hunt. Steve, you just got home from a hunt. Cal, I'm, I'm sure you're either coming or going from a hunt right now. Can I tell you boys about the time I killed the biggest buck of my life?

• 7:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, I want to hear it.

• 7:24Steven Rinella?

  That just happened?

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Just one week.

• 7:25Steven Rinella?

  That's the biggest buck of your life?

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Biggest buck of my life. Yeah.

• 7:28Steven Rinella?

  Bigger than all those big old whitetails you got?

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm flattered to think you killed, I, that I killed bigger deer than that before. That's, that's my biggest.

• 7:36Steven Rinella?

  I just feel like you guys in South Dakota shot all those giant whitetails all the time.

• 7:39Speaker 04

  I mean, not, not as big as this one.

• 7:41Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I'm about getting wrapped up over here, but keep going.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  I, the hunt story itself, not that terribly interesting. I think the interesting part is, um, how I got access to this place. This was just a door knock.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  I wouldn't tell people how to do that.

• 7:55Speaker 04

  I, well, I, I, I got permission here last year. This year I was trying to get this permission again. Struggled to get a hold of the landowner. Um, from what I gathered, they were snowbirds. So my landline phone number I had was not reaching them. The letter I wrote them was not reaching them. I just need to confirm that I could hunt there.

• 8:13Speaker 05

  Exactly. Yeah.

• 8:14Steven Rinella?

  Cause you didn't want to do the, well, you gave me permission one time a long time ago, therefore I'll hunt the rest of my life.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  That, that doesn't fly. Uh, so I, I was desperate to get in touch with these folks. I did something I'd never done before. I found out, uh, their adult child who lived in another state. Uh, and I, I figured out where they worked and I took a guess as to what their work email could be. And I reached out to that person and I opened the email by saying.

• 8:39Steven Rinella?

  You're gonna wind up with a restraining order.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  I said.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, so I slept in the parking lot.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  So I told this person.

• 8:45Steven Rinella?

  I put myself in a large box.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  That's right. Their oldest child. I opened the email by saying, let me put this out there first. I think what I'm doing is very inappropriate by reaching out to you here at your work email. This is, you know, who I am. I got permission from your parents last year. I'm trying to get permission again. It all worked out. I got in touch with them just hours later because of that. And then I went and I killed my biggest deer ever that Phil has a few pictures of. This muley was coming off of a winter wheat field. I spotted him.

• 9:18Steven Rinella?

  I wish you wouldn't have gotten that.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  What do you wish I got instead?

• 9:23Steven Rinella?

  I wish I knew he was just still out there.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  You know, it's kind of interesting because that's a young face to me, but great forks.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  I mean, he had an enormous body, the biggest body of any deer that I've ever dealt with. So I don't think that that was a young buck.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Oh, I know that spot.

• 9:40Steven Rinella?

  Aren't you jealous to be, I'm not happy for you. I'm jealous for you. What's it called when you just don't, when you just see something and it makes you upset?

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 9:47Steven Rinella?

  Jealousy.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Jealousy. Okay. Yeah.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  So very thrilled.

• 9:52Steven Rinella?

  Blind squirrel.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Something that happened there was I got the worst case of buck fever I've had in quite a while. Yeah. Like when, do you guys not get buck fever anymore?

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Certain circumstances.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  Like what?

• 10:04Speaker 03

  I'll tell you, like I can feel it creeping in and there's a mental decision to cave to it or block it out.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  I agree with you. This buck in particular, thankfully, the moments of me realizing just how big he was were very brief between me learning that and me shooting him. So the buck fever set in and I shot him and it didn't build up. The worst buck fever I'd ever had in my life was my previously biggest deer I killed with my bow. And I had to watch that deer walk in for a half hour before I could shoot. And I was an absolute wreck by the time he got there, just totally shaking, on the verge of falling out of my tree. I didn't know that a person can feel that way for that long until that happened. But this deer was a reminder of like what the shakes can really feel like.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  You said sometimes it happens, Cal.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  Oh, for I think all the time it it happens if you allow allow it to happen. It's kind of fun though when it happens. It is for sure. Like healthy. Well, it's a drug, right? It's adrenaline and uh I yeah, I had this amazing, very brutal hunt with just like glimpses of deer in a hard spot. And then found this pocket of deer and they're like four bucks. I think they were like somewhere in like the eight to dozen deer total. It was like all the deer on this mountain were in this one little crevice. And lo and behold, there's this three point mule deer buck in there that is like one of the heaviest deer I have ever seen to this day.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Just like all bronzed up mountain buck, big around as as my wrist and uh. Zanler's. Yeah. And the deer start filtering through this little pocket. There's all these openings and everybody's like coming out and stopping in this opening and coming out and stopping in this opening and coming out and stopping in this opening. And he comes right up to the edge of the opening and I'm like

• 12:04Speaker 03

  totally set up, rock solid, very close. And I I mean, I I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I shot the opening. I was like, here he comes, bang! And I'm like, oh my God. And he got away. Yeah. And you know, mentally like you know, like they don't know exactly where it's coming from. They heard a big loud noise, big smack in front of them. I had time to shoot this buck again and I was so uh I was beating myself up so hard immediately. Yeah. As he was going over the crest of the ridge, which was only like a 200 yard shot at that point. Like I was on him. I was solid. It was a moving shot, but it was like that going away thing.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  And I just knew I could kill him. And I said, You don't deserve this and I didn't pull the trigger. I was so, so, so pissed at myself. Yeah.

• 12:58Steven Rinella?

  Steve buck fever. When's the last time you felt it? Okay, I'll tell you something. I want to tell you something funny first because this pertains to what I'm gonna say. My, my wife likes to hike up the Amhill. Okay. And she took our little boy up there last week. I think it was last week. Anyways, he was talking about how he always feels so good. When he hikes up the hill. Oh. And she said, your body is releasing endorphins from the exercise. And he said, and you want to know what endorphins are? And he said, well, if they're good, why would it release them? Got you there. So.

• 13:33Steven Rinella?

  I, I, I have a, a, like a pet theory about this. That I feel that there is a finite amount of whatever it is that gives you buck fever. Have you, you've exhausted it? No, no, but I've used a lot of it up. And I think that people are born with varying degrees of it. Some people are born with an enormous well. Right? That they just can't use. I have just, personally, I felt over the years that like whatever gland it is that like makes a thing. Is getting old. Yeah. Or it's running out.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  And there's a finite.

• 14:08Steven Rinella?

  And it just doesn't do it. It doesn't like squirt as much out as it did when I was young. That's kind of sad. A little squirt. Yeah. But I, I, I feel like in a decade at this going rate. Oh, man. It'll be squirted out. I don't like that you told us that. That's just a pet theory. I don't know. I just feel like it's like. Like the, the, the surge. Yeah. Doesn't work as good as it once did.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  You know, a buddy of mine and like he's in the super adventurous, very dangerous whitewater kayaking community. Doing first descents and crazy stuff. And, and there's, you know, it's not a huge community, but there's, there's plenty of folks and there's a lot of folks that get in the water and they, they practice their roll. Just to kind of like loosen up and get in the mental space. And he's like. Won't catch me doing that. That's the stupidest thing on, in the world.

• 14:59Steven Rinella?

  Why?

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Uh, because he's, he firmly believes that you have a finite amount of rolls.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  And he's like, why would you waste one? When you don't need it? Yeah.

• 15:11Steven Rinella?

  Steve's been guiding some of his kids to deer lately. Do they, do they get buck fever real bad?

• 15:18Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but my daughter has a peculiar kind of of buck fever. And hanging out with kids, I feel like it's like, um, I feel like it's more calm. I I I notice very small sample set. I think it's more common in girls than boys. She likes to explore. Um, verbally explore whatever. She likes to spend a lot of time on what could go wrong. And likes to cover off. Her part of her process is covering off on what could go wrong and how to prevent it. This is not a thing that is on my boys' minds.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 15:54Steven Rinella?

  That is very far. Outside of their heads.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:58Steven Rinella?

  Like kicking around what could go wrong. How can we prevent it? They are not.

• 16:05Steven Rinella?

  That's not on their mind.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Are they already thinking about the opposite, like them holding the antlers?

• 16:09Steven Rinella?

  They don't. I don't know that they think that much. I don't know. They think that much. My daughter's like, what if we get, what if we, what if it falls over, but we can't find it? What if we hit it in the leg? What if we miss? Like, she wants to cover it all off and it's a form of, and it's a little bit, it's a, it's a little buck fevery.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:27Steven Rinella?

  You know, it's a little buck fevery.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  It's fun, though.

• 16:29Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  Uh, even, even if it's like the stakes feel lower and and you're shooting a doe or something, just like the, the moments of knowing it's gonna happen and and thinking like, everything is gonna change after I pull the trigger. That's, that's a very exciting to experience.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, archery elk, I did a great job of just like blocking off the endorphin. Situation is I would just get in this mindset of like. Broadside elk. Meet in the freezer, then I can go mule deer hunt. And I'm like, it's gonna be a lot of work. It's gonna suck. You're stupid for doing this. And just beat down any feelings of like excitement and adrenaline and whoa. And then I would let that come in afterwards and be like, wow, that was really neat. But now you stupid idiot, you have to pack this thing out.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  I get advanced buck fever to the point where I will sleep worse the night before if I know they're like, it's gonna be a good hunt tomorrow. I just, I, I, I love that, um, that little bit of stress that like when the sun comes up, it's gonna be good.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have, yeah, there's a lot of anxiety in, in hunting for me. As far as like, oh God, how many trucks are gonna be at the trailhead?

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Did, um, I, I told you guys before, like where I lived in Idaho. I lived like on the main artery for a huge drainage. And unless you were part of the maybe hundred people that lived upstream of me. You had to drive past my place. And no matter how tired, wet, cold, whatever I got in what terrible condition. I'd put myself in the night before. If I heard a vehicle go up that road at four AM, there was like, there was no sleep.

• 18:20Steven Rinella?

  They were going to where you're going.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  I was just like.

• 18:23Speaker 04

  This deer, his elk.

• 18:25Steven Rinella?

  I've noticed that, man. I know you probably want to move on, but.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 18:28Steven Rinella?

  I have, I've developed this problem where no matter what, who I see, I could be doing the most esoteric weirdest thing in the weirdest thing in the world. If I see another car, I have in my head that they're doing what I'm doing. Meaning if we're like mushroom hunting and I see a car pulled over, son of a bitch is mushroom hunting. You know, be like, is he though? Or like anything, if, if we're, if we're setting beaver traps, I see a truck, son of a bitch is beaver trapping. I'm like, oh no, he's just a dude walking his dog.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:54Steven Rinella?

  But my head immediately puts it that we have the same motivation.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Sure. Makes you want it real bad.

• 19:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and then, and, and all, and realistically, in all the years I've hunted morels, outside of hunting burns, because burns, everybody knows about, in all the years I've hunted, hunted morels, I have one time been hunting morels and actually encountered a morel hunter, one time in my entire life.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Do you verbalize that fear to your kids when you guys are out looking for mushrooms like, oh, these evil people who just pulled over?

• 19:25Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, no, I do, I just, because I'm trying to train them to be paranoid about morels, you know?

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Last weekend.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Uh, my buddy's kid is chomping at the bit to go on a big hike for mule deer. And I was like, great, I'm your guy, let's go, um, clear it with his dad and, and, um, I'm like, hey, there's, we're driving down to this spot that he wants to go to, I'm like, hey, there's a 70% chance that there's going to be another truck at this trailhead. If that's the case, do you want to go check out this other spot or this other spot? Like, you gotta be thinking about that. And, and he's like, yeah, I think there's going to be somebody there too, but, um, let's go check it out. So we drive in there and sure enough, there's one truck at this trailhead and there's quite a bit of country there.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  But I was like, eh, I don't really want to go. I'm like, but it's up to you, I wasn't even carrying a gun. And he's like, no, I, I think, I think we should still go. And I was like, okay. Um, I was a little uncomfortable with it, but I'm like, you know, this is your hunt, I'm just in support. And we go hiking in there and, uh, not too far in there, come around the corner and I glass up this guy. And we had just talked about how we were going to hike, because I'm like, now you gotta account for this other, other truck. We don't know where they are. The wind's going like this, but this is really hard. This isn't as hard. Chances are this person went up the not hard way. So maybe we should go up the hard way, stuff like that.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  And I glass over and this dude's, uh, dressing out deer. And I'm like, I'm like, well, perfect. And then I start looking and I'm like, oh, that's a bighorn sheep.

• 21:11Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Oh, that was the guy. Yeah. Oh, no kidding.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I was like, and that's what I was like, oh my gosh, I felt so bad about being next to another truck. I feel so much better now. Congratulations. Yeah.

• 21:23Steven Rinella?

  Wasn't doing what you were doing.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  You were not looking for sheep that day.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Uh, no, uh, no.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Someone in the chat is suggesting that we take, uh, beta blockers to get rid of.

• 21:32Steven Rinella?

  I've heard of that.

• 21:33Speaker 04

  I don't want them.

• 21:33Steven Rinella?

  I don't know. I don't, I'm not always looking for, I'm usually looking for reasons to not take drugs.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Different points in our lives.

• 21:43Steven Rinella?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, like, yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Give, give me more of it.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's how Phil turns in those killer performances. Beta blockers.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  It's just, it's just, well, the whole theater thing. It's all about your uppers and down.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  They are, they are, I've never, uh, part, partaken, partook, but they, they are a thing. Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Maybe I'm betraying a confidence, but, um, our first live tour Chester took some because he wasn't loving how he felt on stage.

• 22:08Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. Cause he'd get up there and he'd get up there and forget whole verses.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like, like two shows into the tour, uh, he, he just got some beta blockers and that was what he, he rode those the rest of the tour. When he takes the stage and sing.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  God, rock and roll.

• 22:21Steven Rinella?

  I mean, if they were like, let's say you're, if they were so instant, you know what it'd be like? You'd tie off with some surgical tubing? And have like a needle and shit. And then you look and here comes Buck down the trail. If you could just be like, like mainline it and just like instant beta blocker. But what are you supposed to do? Every day pop on at like 3:00 PM?

• 22:40Speaker 04

  It's just an opener. Yeah.

• 22:41Steven Rinella?

  You know what I mean?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Oh my God. It's just part of my process.

• 22:46Steven Rinella?

  You got a little IV bag hanging next to you in the tree.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. You'd have your, uh, your ozone machine, your, your IV drip.

• 22:55Steven Rinella?

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  That's right. Yeah.

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• 25:13Speaker 04

  All right, we're gonna move on with the show, do our first interview. Joining us on the line now is Sean Konrad. Him and his twin brother Adam have caught 14 world record fish. Sean, welcome to the show.

• 25:25Steven Rinella?

  How is that possible?

• 25:26Speaker 04

  We're gonna find out.

• 25:27Speaker 07

  How's it going?

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Uh, Sean, you currently hold the world record for rainbow trout and Burbot. Uh, no, I want to hear both those fishing stories, but first let's start with the Burbot world record you set on March 27th, 2010. Take us back to that day.

• 25:42Speaker 07

  Um, well, it actually started two months beforehand where actually a guy caught and released that same fish. And didn't realize it was a world record. So, once Adam and I saw that, he had weighed just under 25 pounds. I think he thought the world record was 28. So, obviously, my brother and I, every weekend, I lived in Alberta, I would travel to Saskatchewan every weekend I could until we caught that fish.

• 26:09Steven Rinella?

  You guys were targeting, like, you're targeting a specific fish?

• 26:13Speaker 07

  Yes, because it had like certain marks on it, and it was in a certain area. We had probably caught over 100 Burbot in about a month and a half, and then, uh, slept in my truck on the 26th, and woke up at 8:00 in the morning and went back fishing and caught them at 10 o'clock in the morning.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Wow. Uh, what, what secrets can you tell us about catching that fish as far as bait you were using, uh, areas you were targeting, stuff like that?

• 26:40Speaker 07

  Um, we usually target them in like drop-offs and, uh, and holes, but we use bait on bottom. Um, Cisco's, herring, uh, smelt's, whatever you have at the time, and, uh, you literally just, uh, bait and wait for those fish. And we tried, you know, we would try like four or five different areas, and we actually caught that fish, um, in an area that we never really started Burbot fishing then, and now that's one of our favorite spots.

• 27:07Steven Rinella?

  What do you set, are you setting, uh, tip-ups or rod and reel?

• 27:12Speaker 07

  Well, this was actually open water and flowing water in a river in March.

• 27:16Steven Rinella?

  I see, okay.

• 27:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Sean, do you get any kind of buck fever when you're reeling in one of these giant fish that may or may not be the next world record?

• 27:24Speaker 07

  Um, I remember hooking that fish and I had thrown my rod out and I was eating a sat which is when you catch a fish. And my rod just kept bouncing like in the current and I'm like, why is it bouncing? Why is it not stopping? And that fish must have ate it on the drop. Or when it just got there and then I knew and I was really and I saw it, it uh, it got me pretty nervous. I knew I had the world record on and got it in the net and I just had a big sigh of relief and actually the guy that had caught that fish two months ago was on shore. And he asked me how it wasn't like, well, we got, we got the fish we were after and he's like, no way.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  That is amazing.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  That is crazy.

• 28:06Steven Rinella?

  Are you bank fishing or fishing in a boat?

• 28:08Speaker 07

  This was, this picture was taken on a bank, but we were in a boat.

• 28:12Steven Rinella?

  Okay, yeah, okay, that's what's confusing.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  We are looking at a picture of that world record Burbot right now. No, I noticed that all of your Burbot records are from March. Uh, what is it about that month that makes Burbot fishing so good?

• 28:24Speaker 07

  Um, March is when they start to spawn. They're at their fattest with the eggs. If you can get those fish before they spawn out. They're the heaviest they'll ever be and they start congregating in March in certain areas. You'll get 90% of the fish in like a 5% area of the lake and then you could just target um, and catch quite a bit more and just keep weed through them until you get your big one.

• 28:49Steven Rinella?

  Wow. Do you guys eat Burbot?

• 28:52Speaker 07

  Yes, delicious. Um, the five to 10 pounders are our favorite.

• 28:56Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 28:57Speaker 07

  Um, you just get, you don't get as much meat as you would off a walleye, but uh, you get the back straps, tail meat. If they're big enough, you can take the belly meat. So, and they're delicious.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think the belly meat's pretty fantastic. You fry that stuff?

• 29:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, guts, cut it in strips, kinda like calamari. It's, it's firm and it, you could cook it any way you like. It's delicious.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  Heck, yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Do you get any bycatch when you're targeting these giant Burbot?

• 29:21Speaker 07

  Yes, walleye, whitefish and rainbows. Yeah.

• 29:26Steven Rinella?

  Can I ask you, I got a Burbot question for you. Am I allowed to just ask a question?

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Go for it, yeah. Why he's here?

• 29:31Steven Rinella?

  My birthday is on February 13th.

• 29:34Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 29:35Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so we go to.

• 29:38Steven Rinella?

  We for a few years on my birthday, we would go set tip ups through the ice for Burbot. One year on my birthday, we go out, I can't remember, we catch 24 Burbot. A big group of people, we catch 24 Burbot.

• 29:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:50Steven Rinella?

  Next year, February 13, zero. The next year, February 13, zero, fishing the same stuff. What is your take on that? This is a big reservoir.

• 30:00Speaker 07

  So usually Burbot will spawn in different areas of the lake and every year is a bit different. And actually, some years, it's actually tough for us to target them in uh in March, because they're all, they all moved.

• 30:15Steven Rinella?

  So they're all somewhere and not where you are?

• 30:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, you gotta find them and that's Adam and I, we guide and we have to be on fish. And we have to consistently move. We noticed if we fish a spot one day, the next day, it's not good. So we have to consistently move. So I feel like in your situation.

• 30:34Steven Rinella?

  We were fishing for last year's fish, man.

• 30:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, and that's the same thing. And you're, you're always fishing the same numbers where Adam and I were always learning, always moving.

• 30:44Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Good advice.

• 30:46Speaker 07

  I feel like that's what happened.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  You also have the world record rainbow trout that you caught on September 5th, 2009. Tell us about that catch.

• 30:54Speaker 07

  Um, the uh

• 30:55Steven Rinella?

  Wrong picture.

• 30:56Speaker 07

  I lived in, that's a big brown from Obed, but uh

• 30:59Steven Rinella?

  Oh, a giant lake.

• 31:04Steven Rinella?

  Come on, Phil, get the right damn fish up there, man. They weren't labeled. He's got his head thinking about. Are you just trying to make friends with this guy?

• 31:11Speaker 04

  We are.

• 31:11Steven Rinella?

  Wrong fish.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Uh, we're gushing over other big fish pictures that Sean has. Phil is going to go back to picture two and that will be the record. There it is.

• 31:18Steven Rinella?

  There it is.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  Go ahead, Sean, tell us about that fish.

• 31:21Speaker 07

  I just stopped, I just quit work Friday. I took my daughter, uh, I believe she was uh two or three and drove to my parents' house in Saskatoon. Got her to sleep around 8:30 and then I took off around nine. We fished at, at dark for these rainbows, met my brother. And we fished, we caught, you know, we were trolling. We caught a big, like eight pound walleye. We had caught like an eight pound rainbow before that. And then noon, or midnight came, midnight, midnight came, then we caught, I hooked this big fish and I knew it was big because the big ones, they just, they start rolling behind the boat. And then you just can't move them. So you just hold, hold the line tight and uh, yeah, like.

• 32:04Speaker 07

  netted it. We're just like, well, we better weigh this thing because we are filling our biggest net up with this fish.

• 32:09Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  The world record Burbot you knew was in those waters. Did you know the next world record rainbow was swimming there as well?

• 32:17Speaker 07

  No, we were guiding hard in 2009, right before we caught this fish. We stopped guiding. We had caught that year. I think three other or four other 40 pound rainbow was out. That was the year of the giants 2009. Um, and then. Uh, we just went out after guiding this and we were done and just, yeah, we knew there was giants that year. So we just fished hard. And yeah, broke my brother's world record.

• 32:44Speaker 04

  Now, now 10 of these world records have been line class world records. Explain what that means to folks who aren't familiar with the International Game Fish Association record keeping.

• 32:55Speaker 07

  So IGFA has different world records. The first world record Adam and I broke, we had caught a 33 pound rainbow. On 12 pound, I believe it was 12 pound test and. We knew that they were different world records. So if you caught a fish that was, you know, let's say 30 pounds on six pound test, you could look up. To see if that is the heaviest uh fish of that species on a certain line. So. Um, and then you can register, but I believe you have to be a member to do that, just to see what they have for weights and line. And uh, so there's different types of world records. There's line classes and then there's all tackles. So our first one was a 33 pound line class world record. Yeah.

• 33:35Steven Rinella?

  Do you have any all tackle records?

• 33:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's the rainbow and the Burbot.

• 33:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh, those are all tackle.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  He has both of those.

• 33:41Speaker 07

  They're like the biggest in the world ever recorded.

• 33:44Steven Rinella?

  Wow, man. Are there any other dudes? Uh.

• 33:49Steven Rinella?

  Where, where do you sit in terms of um, in freshwater at least, like? Are there a lot of dudes that have a handful? Like, do you know what I mean? Is it like the kind of thing where there's certain guys that are filling that slot again and again?

• 34:02Speaker 07

  Adam and I, our goal was to get every line class world record rainbow. So we would specifically spool our lines. I think it was called P line. We would buy P line.

• 34:13Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 34:13Speaker 07

  And we would buy like 12 pound and we would just spool that rod and reel 12 pound P line. Cause then when you do catch a line class world record, you got to send your line in for break testing. And if it breaks higher, then you're bumped into a different category.

• 34:28Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like I feel like Maxima is that way.

• 34:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, so we had to buy this and we had to buy a specific weigh scale and then we had to get the fish uh weighed properly. If it was a world record, take it in and get certified with a biologist and stuff. So there's a, there's a bit to it.

• 34:44Steven Rinella?

  God, you guys make me feel like I wasted my life, dude.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  You and your brother.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Putting the pro and professional right there, man. Yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  Uh, you and your brother have broken each other's records. When that happens, are you happy for each other or is it really competitive for you two?

• 34:59Speaker 07

  Um, no, we love to bump questions off each other and techniques and we're always learning. If we go to a lake and we get skunked, why did we get skunked? What, what did we do wrong? Well, how should we change our techniques? What should we do different? What areas of the lake? Time of day? It's just like deer hunting. When is that buck coming out? You know, is it coming out in the morning or the evening and where is it? You gotta, you gotta learn and techniques. So fishing is what Adam and I do. We bump stuff off each other and then we learn. So we're always, we're not competitive when it comes to that.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  But you do call your bro and be like, hey, you know that walleye you were really proud of is not so big anymore, right? Stuff like that.

• 35:41Speaker 07

  I, I think when I caught the Burbot, um I was, Adam was a little bit jealous because you know, I had caught the rainbow and now I caught the Burbot. And then I caught a great big brown trout after that. And he was like, why are you catching all the big fish? I'm like, well, I don't, I don't mind. Are you married? Yeah, no, I'm not.

• 36:01Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 36:02Speaker 07

  No, my brother is, yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  What was gonna be your response if he said yes?

• 36:06Steven Rinella?

  Oh, just if his wife, um.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Are you talking trophy class of wife?

• 36:10Steven Rinella?

  No, no, no, no, like if his wife, if she, if she, if she sees a big Burbot, does she know enough to, to, to know she's looking at a big Burbot?

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 36:18Steven Rinella?

  Meaning if we, we come home and show, you know, we'll be, we'll come home and show my wife stuff. And she's like, if you say so. It looks a lot like the other ones. I don't, it seems a lot like the other ones you guys brought home.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Uh, Sean, all of your world record rainbows and Burbot have come from Lake Deefenbacher in Saskatchewan. What is it about that water that allows it to produce such big fish?

• 36:41Speaker 07

  Um, for one, it's a damned reservoir loaded with ciscos. It's just, they have so many ciscos in the lake, so it's got good forage.

• 36:49Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 36:49Speaker 07

  Um, we catch, we caught a forty inch Burbot guiding last year in the, up in the lake. And when I say the lake, we're actually targeting a lot of these world records down below the dam. Where these ciscos come through the dam and they get chopped up. So these fish are just chowing down and they're getting huge.

• 37:09Steven Rinella?

  Is that, is that true? I've read that before, but is that true that fish coming through those turbines are actually chopped up and not just shoved through it?

• 37:17Speaker 07

  Um, yes, it depends what turbine and where it is, but the ones we're seeing, um, are getting chopped up. You know, and then they just sink down and then the fish.

• 37:28Steven Rinella?

  Just coming out like chum.

• 37:29Speaker 07

  Hmm, yeah, you know, and then just these fish just get so big, they get to world record size.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Uh, give some advice to listeners who want to target really, really big rainbows and burbits like you.

• 37:42Speaker 07

  Do your research. Honestly, it's almost the same as deer hunting. You have to know what lake produces big fish. Adam and I, we would see an article of a big fish being caught. We, it was Montana, I think a thirty, thirty-three pound rainbow was caught there.

• 37:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, Lake Cooten, right?

• 37:59Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:00Steven Rinella?

  Or Cooten River somewhere.

• 38:01Speaker 07

  Down there. And Adam and I went and we caught a thirty-three inch rainbow like our first time. It was like almost near twenty pounds, you know? So certain systems produce big fish. So do your research on, and then figure out your techniques and learn, yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Heck, yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  Do you have a white whale? Is there a world record that you're pursuing right now?

• 38:24Speaker 07

  I was targeting the actual another world record Burbot. I was trying to break it and I had caught, uh, I was doing on video and I caught a 22 pound or two years ago. It was three pounds under my world record Burbot. And this was actually in Alberta, like that was producing some giant Burbot. So as for targeting world record, I think it's the brown trout. Cause we're right now, Adam and I are actually targeting a world record brown trout and it's, they're tough.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 38:53Speaker 07

  But we see some brown trout that are rising that are in that 30 plus to 40 pound range. Unreal.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  When you break that record, you come back on this show and, and tell us that story.

• 39:04Speaker 07

  Yeah. So we got the world record brown trout now.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  Sean, uh, you want to know my claim to fame up in that country?

• 39:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, tell me.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  I got, uh, offered a bartending job there in Riverhurst one year.

• 39:17Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's where we died out of around there.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  They kind of offered those jobs to everyone though, right Sean?

• 39:23Speaker 03

  Comes through the door, gets bartending job. Just catch one, bud.

• 39:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, Cal, Cal likes, Cal brags about getting, uh, brags about getting offered bartending jobs. Like, ooh.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Hey, I was a hit with the locals. We used to go up there and, and, uh, hunt ducks every year. Got, got some friends that live in town and had a place to crash. It was everything you needed when you had little bird dogs to run with, so.

• 39:46Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Can I ask one last question? All right. Um, let's just say a fellow is just looking out, you know, just to catch fillet sized Burbot.

• 39:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:55Steven Rinella?

  Through the ice. Do you like, are, are you laying, uh, like, uh, let me tell you what we do and you tell me where I'm wrong. We run tip ups with braid down to a floral leader, a small treble in cut bait, land on the bottom. Where, where do you not like? What, what do you not like?

• 40:13Speaker 07

  That's perfect. And then fish into the night and then your second line, you would be hitting bottom, pounding bottom with some kind of a glow, glow tube with bait and yeah, and lay it on bottom. Now find your depth to put your, uh, tip up in, I would say 15 to 20 feet.

• 40:33Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 40:33Speaker 07

  And maybe set up your shack in about 25 feet in February. And then also if you're not catching, then go deeper, go up to do it to 20, uh, 35 feet to 40 feet. Those Burbot will be all over the place. So.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 40:46Speaker 07

  And then.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  And you like the tubes, huh?

• 40:48Speaker 07

  Off the lake. Yeah. So go ahead.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Sorry. You like the tubes, huh?

• 40:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, tube jigs work. Yeah, absolutely. We love tubes. Um, but also, you know, we'll use um, heavier, heavier jigs with heavier heads, maybe that glow, and then you put, put your bait on there. And you really want to hit bottom hard. You want that thunk, you know, and consistently do that. And it's kind of like, just like bringing them in, making noise down there on the bottom. It just seems to work.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Cool. Yeah. Sean, last thing, tell folks about the guiding service that you and your brother own.

• 41:21Speaker 07

  Uh, we're fishing geeks here. Uh, we guide Lake Diefenbaker. We've been guiding full time since 2018, part-time since 2008. So, and this is our job, just take, take people out fishing and hopefully catch them the fish of their dreams.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Hmm, you guys have quite the resume to convince folks to fish.

• 41:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, man. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate the information.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  Thanks for joining us. Good luck with your, uh, world record brown trout.

• 41:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, we'll try.

• 41:48Speaker 05

  That's amazing.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, to be clear, he has caught the biggest rainbow and the biggest Burbot in the world. Those are two of his 14 records. The other 12 are the line class records we talked about.

• 41:58Steven Rinella?

  To be frank with you, I, I respect that Burbot one, but more.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  That thing was so pretty. That's a cool.

• 42:05Steven Rinella?

  That looked like something you drug out of a cave in the ocean, man.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 42:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, let's see here. Well, back, we were talking about, um, Randall taking time off and Corinne as well. Nick is asking, do meat eater employees need to take PTO to go hunt? Or is that just a perk of the job?

• 42:24Steven Rinella?

  I have no idea.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  Well, yes. Phil, what do you do when you, when you go hunting?

• 42:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Do you take PTO or no?

• 42:30Speaker 05

  Oh, of course. I'm a company man. I let my manager know and she in turn lets her manager know and, uh, you know, it's recorded.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  Dot the i's, cross the t's.

• 42:38Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Phil just took a little PTO.

• 42:41Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, but that was to go to Portland, just, uh, hang out. I didn't do any hunting.

• 42:44Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I just noticed you had a little PTO thing on your email there.

• 42:47Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 42:48Steven Rinella?

  That was cute.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  Paying attention.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  We, we do some stuff like a normal office. We block off our calendars. We, we write emails, tell folks we're, we're going to be out of the office hunting. So, uh, yeah, it happens.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:58Steven Rinella?

  Oh, can you take that leopard shark one?

• 42:59Speaker 05

  That was going to be my next one. Here we go. It's from Will. Question for the crew. I just got back from diving in California. Saw a bunch of leopard sharks. I read that they are good eating. Have any of you harvested shark with a spear? Is it good eating?

• 43:10Steven Rinella?

  Oh, spear, no. Uh, rod and reel, yes. And man, you gotta trim them sharks. Anything.

• 43:19Steven Rinella?

  You gotta trim the fat off. You gotta trim the, you know, the, the purple. Tell them trying to say.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Bloodline type.

• 43:26Steven Rinella?

  Bloodline stuff. There's a layer that sits between the meat and the skin. If you trim it up, it's good. If you don't trim it up, you are in for a bad meal. He spelled bunch wrong.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  But I've had a lot of shark, fresh shark that I think is fantastic eating, but yeah.

• 43:43Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you gotta trim it. You gotta trim it as bad as you gotta trim a, a flathead catfish.

• 43:50Steven Rinella?

  Or is good, whatever. You know what I'm saying?

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:52Steven Rinella?

  This is as essential.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  What else you got, Phil?

• 43:55Speaker 05

  This is from Leland. Howdy. Is there any idea of doing a media or history book on the French Cour de Bois? Or the voyagers? I don't know if you've looked into that for that French stuff for your history, Steve. It all is that pique your interest?

• 44:08Steven Rinella?

  I, I think that we will maybe, I, I think that we will get to that with our American history series. Yes.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  Great.

• 44:14Steven Rinella?

  Even though it's Canadian history. So that's what makes it a little bit tricky. That's what makes it a little bit tricky. In every one of the series, we talk about what's going on north of the border. And we, we throw to those guys in both the mountain men and the hide hunters. But never dove in. But, um, when I was a little boy growing up in Michigan, you would study those guys. They would teach you that stuff in Michigan history.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  Uh, this is, oh, this is another one from Will. I have found that when I am on long hikes or hunts, I almost always get a song stuck in my head. Usually Ramblin' on by Zeppelin. How do you guys pass the time mentally on long hikes? What's running through the noodle?

• 44:56Speaker 04

  We talked about this briefly yesterday. Uh, Randall said that he just, he really hates himself. So when he, when he spends time alone, you know, he just sits there thinking about the things he doesn't like about Randall. That's what I'm answering for Randall there.

• 45:10Steven Rinella?

  I think about what I do like about Randall.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 45:12Steven Rinella?

  That's how I pass my time.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I'll think about this week.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  I, I think songs are great. I definitely do some singing to myself and by proxy whoever's around me. Um, I.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  Packed out a, a full mule deer, boned out mule deer up a very, very steep slope. And, um, just found like, I was never, ever going to get to the top of the ridge. If I stopped. Cause stopping can kind of become an addiction where you're like, well, I'm going to get up to here and stop. I'm going to get up to here and stop. And so I, I, I, uh, made up like a very, oh, um, theatrical song, one man play, Phil. Of getting the buck to the top of the mountain.

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Oh. It was. Did you perform that?

• 45:59Speaker 03

  It was basically like, how do you get a buck to the top of a mountain? And then you can kind of, any other verse.

• 46:06Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  Don't stop.

• 46:08Speaker 05

  I'm going to use that.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 05

  I'm going to use that.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  This is from Mogor. Mogor, I also, I saw your message earlier about, uh, sending us your address for those cookbooks you won last week. Don't worry Mogor, we will get you your cookbooks. I'll make sure that somebody saw that email. Uh, but your question is for Cal, how much will your new CEO role at BHA affect your appearances on the shows? I hope you still drop in from time to time.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, I mean, that's the plan. I, obviously this is like a huge challenge and it's new and I, I have a giant learning curve. So time is going to be a factor, but no, no intent to, uh, drop off the face of the, the world, the meat eater world over here. And I'll, I'll still be, um, weekly host on the, the podcast too. So.

• 46:52Steven Rinella?

  I, I would like to, I'll, I'll touch on that. Cause I would like to be able to be Cal's, uh, you know, I would like to be able to be a great place for Cal to come tell folks. What, what he's doing in his new role and what his priorities are in his new role. So invitation stands. So if he doesn't come on, it's not my fault.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  Phil, let's do one more.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Clear.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  Sure. This is from Friday Arrows. Phil, when will we get an animated version of your Dungeons and Dragons episode?

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 47:18Speaker 05

  That's a great question. That would be a dream. I don't know if, if Steve, your, your, uh, your American history guy will also work on the D and D. Episode that I did, but I love someone who can capture just the look of bewilderment on Cal's face at every turn. Yeah. Or maybe Brody, uh, decapitating the cat with a sword. That would be fun. So Steve has to decide. Well, I'm not familiar with this. So that'd be great. Steve, I don't think you're aware that I, that I, I guest hosted trivia and instead of playing a game of trivia, I played a game of Dungeons and Dragons with the crew.

• 47:47Speaker 05

  I've heard about that, but I don't know what that means though.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Okay, well, you can watch it at some point, or don't, you know, it's up to you. All right, our next segment. Did it perform well? It did pretty well. It crushed on YouTube, like our best trivia of the year, I think. Congratulations, it was fun.

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• 48:33Steven Rinella?

  If you spend a lot of time outdoors, you got dogs, you got kids, you know how hard it is to keep the floor of your rig clean. A thing we do in our, in our little fleet of vehicles that have at my household, if you go look, open the door on any one of them, they all got WeatherTech. We get a car, we throw the mats out and put in WeatherTech. That way, when there's a mess, it's like your kid's fault, your dog's fault, it's the weather's fault, doesn't matter. You take them suckers out and hose them off, and you're back to being good as new. I'm telling you, if you got a vehicle, put WeatherTech in there, you're gonna be happy you did it. And check this out, American-made floor liners and cargo liners, okay? They laugh in the face of all weather. Go take a look for yourself today at weathertech.com. You guys have heard me talk all about Montana Knife Company for a few years now on the podcast.

• 49:18Steven Rinella?

  Hands down, these are my absolute favorite hunting knives. Every blade they make is a high-performance durable tool that you can rely on whether you're butchering, hunting, working on the farm, out in the field, doing chores, whatever. And I've got a massive update for you. People have been asking for this forever. MKC finally did it. I've been asking it forever. The wait is over. They're launching their very first folding knife. It's called the Montana. It's gonna be dropping very soon. I'm telling you right now, these things are gonna sell out fast. If you aren't ready the moment they go live, you're probably gonna miss out. So here's what you need to do. Get over to MKC.com right now. Make sure you sign up for their email and text message notifications so you get the

• 50:02Steven Rinella?

  alert the exact second the knife drops. Montana Knife Company, working knives for working people. Head to MKC.com today. That's MKC.com. I can't wait to check out one of these folders.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  All right, our next segment is brought to you by Case Knives. Handcrafting high-quality knives since 1889. Check them out at casenives.com. All right, this is The Price is Right.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana. Media Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right. Steven Ranella, come on down.

• 50:41Speaker 04

  Hey, his first time on the show.

• 50:42Speaker 05

  Ryan Callahan, come on down. You're the next two contestants on Media Radio's The Price is Right. Now here's your host, Spencer Newhart.

• 50:55Steven Rinella?

  Wow, that was great.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Thank you, Phil.

• 50:56Steven Rinella?

  Did you watch that documentary about that show?

• 50:58Speaker 03

  No, I didn't even know there was one.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, I did.

• 51:01Steven Rinella?

  About the guys that gamed it?

• 51:03Speaker 04

  Yes, but by gaming it, they just like knew the answers.

• 51:06Steven Rinella?

  No, they, they gamed it by like, like a sort of, um,

• 51:12Steven Rinella?

  memorization experts who got into sort of, who got into these like catalogs of MSRP pricing.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:20Steven Rinella?

  And were able to commit thousands and thousands and thousands of prices to.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, because there's like some trends in there too. And yeah, that, that was, but yeah, I think that the beef was like, you guys are ruining the show by being too good.

• 51:33Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, by memorizing it all. Point being, they get in there that they, when all the people are waiting in line to come in, this kind of surprised me. They have these sort of profilers.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:44Steven Rinella?

  That go outside and just hang around the line.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:48Steven Rinella?

  And they're just watching how people interact, conversations. They kind of get some interactions going and they're just in their head going like, he'd be good.

• 51:57Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 51:57Steven Rinella?

  He wouldn't be good. He'd be good. He wouldn't be good. And they knew how to get selected.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:02Steven Rinella?

  They would, they would dress in a certain way to be noticed, but not noticed in the wrong way. And they would like, they knew who they were looking for to engage with.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  But then I think they had to, like, they knew those people. So they had to, those people had to start bringing guests. Who they hoped would get picked and then the, the like real brains of the operation was in the audience somewhere giving clues by coughing.

• 52:25Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  And, and you know.

• 52:26Steven Rinella?

  You're right.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Oh, is that?

• 52:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 52:28Speaker 05

  He would be like.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  That is.

• 52:30Steven Rinella?

  Cause the other, the audience can yell.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 52:32Steven Rinella?

  A dollar twenty-nine.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:34Steven Rinella?

  Where he would look and there's this guy going, dollar twenty-nine.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:38Steven Rinella?

  And he's like, dollar twenty-nine.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  You, you're talking about picking those people out of the.

• 52:43Speaker 05

  Cause he became famous.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  He became famous in the audience. And so people would be like, let's see what.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Bill has to say.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  You, you hope you're playing on a day when Bill is there.

• 52:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. What's the documentary called, Phil? Well, I told you I haven't seen it.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  There, there was some real sad part of that documentary though, where Bob Barker just looked older.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  It's called.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  Than Earth.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  Perfect Bid, The Contestant Who Knew Too Much.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think we all know it because it was featured on, uh, Delta. Delta Airlines. So that's.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  You, you were talking about picking people out of the line. A very proud, vain moment for me was, uh, my wife and I were in New York City. We went to a taping of Stephen Colbert in 2018. Uh, and when you're coming in, they just like have ushers that seat you somewhere. And, and if you're, you know, the attractive couple, they'll put you up front. And so they pulled us from the back and put us at the front.

• 53:34Steven Rinella?

  Cause you're so good looking.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. So we could be seen in the audience and like.

• 53:37Steven Rinella?

  And people would feel like they're watching the right show.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 53:40Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 04

  We were just like setting the mood, uh, for the show.

• 53:44Steven Rinella?

  If that attractive, uh, man likes this show, then I must be on to the good, right thing.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. All right, Cal, Steve, grab your whiteboards. This game is real simple. Uh, Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater Universe and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again.

• 54:07Steven Rinella?

  I'm never gonna win this.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  And the chat should play along as well because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer will get a shout out from Phil. All right. There are three products up for bid today. Phil, get us started.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Well, our first item up for bid today is the Hunter's Specialties Butt Out 2.

• 54:23Steven Rinella?

  I know that tool.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  Now, we know you're probably saying to yourself, "But self, the Butt Out 1 was perfect. What could they possibly improve on?" Well, the Butt Out 2 has an extra 2 inches of handle that creates the patented Butt Stop to give you better grip and control of the tool. It's never been easier to remove the anal canal of a whitetail, antelope, bear, or hog. And Hunter's Specialties says it's made out of sturdy plastic that can withstand repeated use, so you can hand this heirloom down to the next generation of deer gutters.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  That's what Steve is planning to do.

• 54:50Steven Rinella?

  I can show you a thing or two where you don't need that thing.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Now, on Amazon, it has 4.7 stars from over 4,000 reviews. Phil is showing us pictures of the Butt Out 2, right there, and here is the Butt Out 1. You can see where they changed the design to give you that special Butt Stop with a little extra plastic.

• 55:09Steven Rinella?

  Can you show me the Butt Stop again?

• 55:10Speaker 04

  Okay, this is Butt Out 1 that you're looking at, and we'll get a Butt Out 2 in a second.

• 55:14Steven Rinella?

  Oh, no, I got it. Yeah, sure.

• 55:16Speaker 04

  That's the big improvement for Butt Out 2.

• 55:18Steven Rinella?

  And we're trying to figure out what that Butt Out 2 is gonna run you.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  What does that cost? And if you go over, you're just out of the game, unless both of you go over. So, Steve and Cal will come up their price now. I can't even fathom what they'll do for Butt Out 3. What could they possibly come up with next?

• 55:36Steven Rinella?

  A real sharp knife?

• 55:39Speaker 03

  I like how on the description, it's like, "Here's these animals it could work with." And it's like, "Or anything with an anus."

• 55:46Speaker 04

  It does say, "Any big game-sized animal," yeah, which is pretty vague. Now, this is the price from Hunter's Specialties.

• 55:54Steven Rinella?

  Oh man, you can't do that, because all kinds of dudes are putting down what they think it is.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're playing along as well.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just like...

• 56:00Speaker 04

  We trust that you're honest.

• 56:02Steven Rinella?

  Well, I already wrote mine down.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Cal, you ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying $22.99, and Steve says $12. The correct answer is lower than both of those, so you're both going to try again. Come up with a new price. It is less than $12. Steve's guess was 12. We know it's less than that. Both of you come up with a new answer and try.

• 56:28Steven Rinella?

  That's stupid. Why not have B who's closest?

• 56:30Speaker 04

  We're playing the prices, right? You gotta argue with the prices.

• 56:34Steven Rinella?

  Well, just because someone does something dumb doesn't mean you two.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  All right, we have Steve, who now says $11 and Cal says $6.99. The correct answer is $11.99.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Steve was only a penny off with his first guess, but these are Price is Right rules. Steve, so you were, you were one penny over.

• 56:55Steven Rinella?

  I wouldn't pay any attention to what they do.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  I, I will tell you though, Steve, Steve deserves a little accolades here. That's the first. I think that is the first Price is Right answer I've been wrong on.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  Cal's dominant at this game, Steve. Just so you know, you're going up against, you know, the Michael Jordan of meat eaters prices.

• 57:13Steven Rinella?

  I had a conversation, Cal was, or not Cal, Clay was shaming me about this.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  About what?

• 57:18Steven Rinella?

  Clay was shaming me about not knowing the eggs had gone up in price. I'm like, I don't, if I go to buy eggs, I'm just gonna get the eggs. Do you know what I mean? I don't go like, am I gonna buy eggs or not? Like when I wake up and I say to my little boy, what are you going for breakfast? Eggs. I'm just gonna buy eggs. So I don't go and see. It's just not gonna matter. I'm still gonna buy the damn eggs.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  It was a hot, but it was a campaign topic.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  Uh, topic on the, during the last campaign.

• 57:44Steven Rinella?

  This is before that.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  Oh, it was. Okay.

• 57:47Steven Rinella?

  This is before that.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  So $11.99, that is from Hunter Specialties website.

• 57:51Steven Rinella?

  So if I needed this butt remover, I would probably be like, I'm just gonna get the butt remover.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  It is on sale at Shields right now for $7.99. So if you're in the market for a butt out too, check out Shields.

• 58:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we have a handful of people guess right on the money.

• 58:05Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, they're just, they're online, they're online.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  So we've, we've run into that problem before. Steve, I've called people out and they've been very defensive about how they, yeah.

• 58:13Steven Rinella?

  Guilty people always are.

• 58:14Speaker 04

  Nate, uh, J H and Gone Fishing Duncan.

• 58:17Speaker 05

  And maybe, maybe a few more too, but uh, those are the ones I saw.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Suspicious. All right, Phil, what do we got next? Oh, great question.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  Our next item up for bid is your very own colony of Taxidermy Beetles.

• 58:30Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Sick.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  This Dermisted Beetle Super Kit from Skull Taxidermy comes with over 2,000 bugs that are shipped right to your front door. They guarantee a mix of adults, larvae, and pupae, pupa, that will have you cleaning skulls in just three to four weeks. The super kit also includes plenty of bedding for laying eggs, as well as two pages of instructions on how to care for your beetles.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Thank you, Phil. Now, to be clear, you're paying for the Super Beetle Kit, plus shipping, from Deer Lodge, Montana. These are gonna come right to your door.

• 58:58Steven Rinella?

  Golly, whose idea was it to include this?

• 58:59Speaker 04

  Me, these are all my ideas.

• 59:01Steven Rinella?

  It's a great idea. Hey, I saw a question about skunk spraying. Can you hang on to that one for later?

• 59:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've got it bookmarked.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  So what does that cost?

• 59:09Steven Rinella?

  That was a great call.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 59:10Steven Rinella?

  I have no idea.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  I have no clue.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  You're getting 2,000 bugs, and they guarantee a mix of adults, larvae, and pupa.

• 59:19Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  In that 2,000-bug mix.

• 59:22Steven Rinella?

  That's a great question.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  In three to four weeks, you're gonna be cleaning your first skull.

• 59:27Steven Rinella?

  I have no idea.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  And this is a flat shipping rate. It's just convenient that it's coming from Deer Lodge, but their website says it costs the same if you're shipping to Georgia or Maine.

• 59:36Steven Rinella?

  I don't like all these guys writing numbers down on that thing.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  You've already locked in your answer.

• 59:40Steven Rinella?

  I know, I just wish they'd just keep it to themselves.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Cal, are you ready? Yeah. Reveal your answers. Cal says it's $41. Steve says it's $120. That's a big spread.

• 59:52Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it is.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  It's $246.50. So Steve was the closest, and he was only halfway there.

• 1:00:00Steven Rinella?

  See, how do you put a price on that?

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  I mean, these folks did.

• 1:00:05Steven Rinella?

  Well, they did, but picture like what he's gotta have going on to be able to have that, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot. That's what I'm saying, I could never guess, because like the amount of headache. And that might just be a side hustle.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:17Steven Rinella?

  Like, they're cleaning.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:00:19Steven Rinella?

  And they got excess, and I don't know. It's probably, name your price, because there's probably not much competition.

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  That's $230 for the beetles, and $16.50 for shipping and...

• 1:00:29Speaker 05

  That's a great question. We had Friday, Friday Arrows guessed $230 in the chat.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Well done, Friday Arrows. Steve has now officially won the game, but we'll see if he can get the clean sweep. We've got a third product.

• 1:00:40Speaker 05

  It's a two out of three.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  So we'll see if he can get the clean sweep and make Cal run around the building naked, as is tradition. Bill, what's the third item?

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Lucky employees.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Our final item up for bid today is a signed photo of Steven Anella. This eight by ten photo of a handsome young Steven is for sale on eBay right now.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  You don't remember that?

• 1:00:58Speaker 05

  I do, but how's he have that? He's standing on a stump staring off into the distance. Magazine, Men's Journal or something. It's probably Cal's bow. With his treadmill in hand. That's not mine. It's Cal's bow.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  I had no idea that was Cal's bow.

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  Is it actually my signature? Well, let's see here. The seller guarantees it's the real deal because the signature has been verified by Beckett Authentication Services. I could have verified it. Just smudge it if it smudges.

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  Does that look like your signature?

• 1:01:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Who would have that picture?

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  It's just someone on eBay.

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  Why do you gotta have this?

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  We put Steve in a real pickle here, making him guess what his autograph is.

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  They found, they brought out

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  these like kids' medium black t-shirts for this shoot. And I was like, Steve couldn't move without his belly button getting exposed. It was brutal.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  And standing on a stump, that's, that's a nice little touch. When was this photo taken?

• 1:01:54Speaker 05

  We got a lot of jokers in the chat guessing stuff like five cents, one dollar. That's what I wrote down.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  If somebody put it on eBay.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  That's right. This is for sale on eBay right now. So if you like the price, uh, when we reveal, you can just go buy this.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  Cal's dog passed away.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  No, no, no. This wasn't. The big fish was a, uh, your oldest boy was just a baby. I mean, he was

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  under five.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  That's not the same time?

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  How many years ago was this?

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  I have no idea.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Long time ago, but, uh, I was, I was entertaining Steve's kid, uh, by letting him shoot arrows up into the sky. I'd hold on to the bow.

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  And he'd crank that thing back and let it go and we'd watch that arrow.

• 1:02:43Speaker 04

  Very safe activity. When I picked this item, I had no idea that was Cal's boat.

• 1:02:47Steven Rinella?

  Did you buy that?

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  No, I have not bought it yet. I bet by the time this episode's over, that thing's off eBay. Someone's purchased it.

• 1:02:53Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Cal, do you have a price?

• 1:02:55Steven Rinella?

  I'll send you one.

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  I did. Do you have a price? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Cal says $50. Steve says $1. The correct answer is $85. $85. That could be yours. It's free shipping or best offer, it says.

• 1:03:12Steven Rinella?

  OBO.

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  So if you're in the market for a Steve autograph, maybe try to lowball him before you pay full price for that thing.

• 1:03:18Speaker 05

  We had a couple of people get it right on the money, but Garrett got in pretty quickly and he guessed $84.99. So I'm, I'm, I think he's being truthful, but then we had Big Dough pipe in and says, $85. I just bought it.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  Oh, well done, Big Dough. I'm gonna verify that after this. I'm gonna go look on eBay and see if that's still for sale.

• 1:03:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, if he bought it, I'll send him another one, dude.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  Now, this seller has all kinds of autographed photos up for sale. I found some comparisons if you're interested, Steve. Uh, so the first one here, if you've got $65 to spend, you can buy a signed picture of Playboy bunny Sierra Price.

• 1:03:52Steven Rinella?

  Why is it blurred out?

• 1:03:54Speaker 04

  Well, because it's kind of scandalous. It's a Playboy bunny whose photo you're buying.

• 1:03:58Speaker 05

  Nobody's asking whether or not the, the signature is real, I notice.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  Uh huh. So that's, that's if you got $65. If you got $85, you can buy a signed picture of Kane Hodder, who of course played Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th movie. So that's the same price as Steve's signature. Uh, now if you've got real deep pockets, you're looking to spend $115, you can buy an autographed photo of Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, Don McLean, who wrote the world's greatest song, American Pie. So $20 more than your autograph, Steve. It's Don McLean.

• 1:04:29Steven Rinella?

  Well, yeah, what is the objective here?

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  Just put you in your class.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  We're just having fun. That's all.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  You like, this is where you rank?

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, your celebrity is between Playboy bunny and Don McLean.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  That's a pretty good place to be.

• 1:04:43Steven Rinella?

  It's not bad, actually, man. If someone's like, how famous, I'll take exactly how famous.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Let's go to eBay real quick.

• 1:04:50Speaker 05

  You ever heard of Don McLean?

• 1:04:51Steven Rinella?

  I'm not quite the guy who wrote American Pie, but, but I do trump some Playboy bunnies.

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  That's right. That's amazing. So Steve wins anyway. He got his two points. Well done, Steve. All right, let's do our final interview of the day. Joining us on the line last is Steve Powell, the co-owner of North American Diving Dogs. Steve, welcome to the show.

• 1:05:16Speaker 08

  How we doing, guys?

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  Good, how are you? For folks who aren't familiar, what is dock diving?

• 1:05:22Speaker 08

  Dock diving is as simple as it's a dog running down a 40-foot dock and jumping into a pool.

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  Okay, and no weird rules? Are there any weird rules or is it just simple where they throw the bumper and the dog jumps as far as they can?

• 1:05:37Speaker 08

  It's pretty much that simple.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:05:39Speaker 08

  You got a dog that loves to chase a toy and loves water, it's that easy.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  Hey Steve, really quick, can we get you a little bit closer to your computer, please?

• 1:05:46Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  Thank you so much.

• 1:05:47Speaker 08

  Well, I'll just move in.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  There we go. Steve, walk us through what the best breeds are for dock diving.

• 1:05:54Speaker 08

  Well, you guys are hunters, so obviously one would be any kind of retriever. Um, your labs, uh, your short hairs, things like that, wire hair pointers. Uh, then you have your sport dogs, your Malinois's, you got Whippets, pretty much any dog of any size. They just need to be driving.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  Hmm. And describe us like the perfect dock diving dog in terms of personality, age, sex? What is dock diving?

• 1:06:19Speaker 08

  If you have a dog that is psychotic and you don't want any part of, uh, dealing with it most of the time, that's probably your best bet. Because they'll just do whatever you want them to do and they'll give a thousand percent.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  Okay, good to know. Is, is there a dock diving goat, the greatest of all time, when it comes to jumping long ways in water?

• 1:06:39Speaker 08

  There absolutely is. She lives in Washington. Uh, dog's name is Sounders. It's a Whippet, holds the world record at 36 feet 11 inches.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Whoa. What makes Sounders so good?

• 1:06:51Speaker 08

  Uh, Sounders is fast, Sounders is athletic, and, uh, he just wants that toy.

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  Okay. Uh, wow. How did this become so popular and, and go from being an obscure sport to being on ESPN?

• 1:07:06Speaker 08

  So the things I've heard is that uh somebody was out with their dog. It was jumping off the dock at the lake and uh somebody thought, you know, I can probably get a group of people together and we can try to make that happen and make a company out of it with competition. Uh you know how people are. They wanted my dog can beat your dog. Uh you guys hunt. My uh buck is bigger than your buck. My fish is bigger, right? So it's just a way to make uh make it more competitive.

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Huh, okay. Cal, how would Snort perform at these competitions?

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Uh, not well. Uh, she's a little bit too much of a thinker. Um, the the cutest story I have about this though is I went to a Ducks Unlimited banquet here in in Bozeman. Met this uh little old lady who told me the reason she was there. She's not a hunter. Her dogs and duck jumping competitions. I was like, well, how'd that happen? And she's like, my husband just passed away. He had this black lab that was totally his dog. Doesn't like me at all. Doesn't pay attention to me. Doesn't listen to me. And I was riddled with guilt about getting rid of the dog. And there was a duck jumping competition um that had like open enrollment.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  Some and so she just did it and now her and the dog travel all over doing the competitions and they love each other.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  Steve, do hunting dogs ever show up at your competitions?

• 1:08:36Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah. Lots of times. We have tons of hunting dogs that uh they come and they're just, I mean, it's their thing, right? They either they do hunting trials, they duck hunt, they peasant hunt, they like to chase a bumper. Um, and the biggest thing is is that the guys will bring it or their wives, like in the story just told. Uh, they just want to do something with the dog and they're like, oh, my dog loves water. So uh, there's numerous, yes.

• 1:09:03Speaker 04

  And if Cal wants to get into duck diving, uh what what should he do?

• 1:09:08Speaker 08

  So, North America Diving Dogs, we have, uh, close to ninety facilities across the US and in Canada. We have eight mobile docks that set up at AKC shows. And we, uh, put on and do tryouts, which is a thing. Otherwise, facilities are a good place to learn and to train, and then they also have events.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  And how do people watch your competitions?

• 1:09:31Speaker 08

  Uh, so when we're doing events at shows or at facilities, I would say probably ninety-five percent of the time, public's welcome and there's no charge. Uh, we also, uh, we are teamed up with AKC and AKCTV. We, uh, we get, uh, usually two events a year that they film. And then, uh, those can be seen on ESPN or ESPN2.

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  Good stuff, very entertaining.

• 1:09:56Steven Rinella?

  I got a question about, uh, a quick question about the cognitive ability of dogs. We used to have a Labrador that loved, she would jump off the end of the dock like that. Um, and it was one of the problems, if you were out swimming, she would then swim over and scratch you to all hell, thinking she was somehow gonna climb on you somehow. But like, I think I thought about, let's say you had a dock and you do that all the time. And then one night, the lake freezes. It would be very interesting.

• 1:10:27Steven Rinella?

  Do you follow me? It'd be very interesting to, to see if, to test or see,

• 1:10:34Steven Rinella?

  uh, if the dog, like how the dog comprehends that.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:39Steven Rinella?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:10:40Speaker 08

  Well, one, I would pray the dog wouldn't get hurt if it did do it. Uh, but the other thing is you're calling out like a lake and a pond is that there is a difference to the dogs. That if you've got a dog that jumps at the lake a thousand percent, has zero issues with it, it'll do it all day long.

• 1:10:55Steven Rinella?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:10:55Speaker 08

  Uh, you bring them to clear water, which we have in the pools, and it'll throw, it'll throw them off.

• 1:11:00Steven Rinella?

  Oh, is that right? They got like a certain environment they like, yeah.

• 1:11:04Speaker 08

  Yeah, I had a gentleman that came to my facility, and he had a hunting title dog, and he was like, this is gonna be no problem. And he expected his dog was just gonna go in. He spent twenty-five minutes with his dog just sitting on the platform. Uh, just going, what are, what are you expecting from me? It had no idea.

• 1:11:22Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Do you ever find that there's dogs that like it so much that they do it in the absence of the toy?

• 1:11:31Speaker 08

  Absolutely. We have actually a few dogs that, yeah, they'll bring them up on the dock and uh, those go, go. And the dog just jumps.

• 1:11:38Steven Rinella?

  Like no, they're not even fetching, they're just jumping.

• 1:11:42Speaker 08

  Or the worst part is they open the gate to let them on the dock and the dog runs and jumps in. Luckily, we have it called a practice, so they can take a practice jump. And when they see that happening, they're like, practice.

• 1:11:54Steven Rinella?

  Really? Wow, that's funny.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  Steve Kelly, anything else?

• 1:11:57Steven Rinella?

  No, that's it.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  All right. Thank you for joining us, Steve, and uh, thanks for entertaining us with those wet dogs.

• 1:12:03Speaker 08

  Not a problem, guys. Thank you for having me.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  All right. That brings us to the end of this week's show. Phil, let's do some final feedback from the chat.

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  Sure, Steve, you wanted to talk about this question from Evan. Will a skunk spray when shot with a bow or rifle?

• 1:12:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah, it will.

• 1:12:20Steven Rinella?

  Right. And trap and like, the guys use injectors now, like damage control guys, they use these like long hole, these long poles and they have an injector that can inject it so it doesn't spray. But the thing it used to be that if you, if you could.

• 1:12:35Speaker 05

  Jab stick.

• 1:12:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, if you could hit it in the heart, with a 22, it'd have about a 50% chance of spraying. But then I calculated that you got about a 50% chance of hitting it in the heart.

• 1:12:46Speaker 04

  So a 25% chance.

• 1:12:48Steven Rinella?

  But yeah, man, they'll, they'll, they'll cut loose.

• 1:12:51Speaker 05

  Uh, Lance showed up late. Did Spencer cover his hunt? Yes, Lance, go ahead and rewind about an hour and you'll hear all about it. Um, we had one, this is kind of related to buck fever and I'm, oh, here we go. This is from William. Any advice with target panic? I've never had a problem with white tailor hogs with my bow, but started hunting public land, muleys in New Mexico and can't seem to calm myself after drawing on them.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, you're hunting a bigger, cooler animal, so I get it. Um, don't believe in target panic at all. Don't listen to those people. Don't be around those people. Um, if that causes a divorce or uh, something like that, that, that's better for you in the long run.

• 1:13:35Steven Rinella?

  Uh, you know, Canyon has that. I'm sure a lot of guys do, but Canyon has, uh, Mark Canyon, has this little mantra he goes through.

• 1:13:45Steven Rinella?

  Like a three-step mantra, but you have to practice hard on it. Like I've toyed with it, but he's got like a boom, boom, boom. Every time he shoots an arrow, boom, boom, boom. Like a mental checklist. I think if you could actually get that to be wrote, I feel that that would be, and I don't do it, but when you explain it to me, I'm like, that seems like a good idea, though I haven't tried it. But it feels like a great idea to me.

• 1:14:13Speaker 04

  I think a lot of guys, as like beyond just the mental thing, will switch their style of release. So if you, whatever kind of style you're shooting right now, if you just cannot beat target panic, try a different one. And maybe that'll do it for you.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  If target panic were to exist, but it doesn't. So yeah, it is like, it's, it's like a cult of people who are like, they feed off of each other. So get away from those people. Get in front of a big target and practice your, your shot. And I do this with, with my recurver or longbow now. If I'm having a hard time hitting the spot on the target that I want to hit, I'll walk up to 10 yards and, and practice shooting with my eyes closed, where all I'm doing is concentrating on the release of that arrow.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  And as long as my arrow isn't hitting in a totally funky way, I know that everything's good with the bow and it's just me and it's just a practice thing. Don't get sucked down the rabbit hole. Don't, don't believe it.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Bill, let's do a couple more.

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  Cool. This is from Spencer Flip for the people who are getting their, their Christmas gifts early and responsibly. Any new holiday gift ideas on the Meat Eater website or First Light? You guys have any sort of like stocking stuffer?

• 1:15:34Steven Rinella?

  Dude, after all trucks, man.

• 1:15:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  The new calendar. It's an easy, easy stocking stuffer for you.

• 1:15:40Steven Rinella?

  You gotta roll it up.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  I mean, there's.

• 1:15:43Steven Rinella?

  Put it in the stock.

• 1:15:43Speaker 03

  There's so much good, there's like fun stuff and there's very practical stuff. It's a great stop on the, on the list.

• 1:15:50Speaker 04

  Everybody could use a first light base layer. Doesn't matter like what you do outside.

• 1:15:55Steven Rinella?

  But he didn't say stocking. Why are we talking about stockings?

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 1:15:57Steven Rinella?

  Sorry. I got off on the stocking thing.

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  The stocking stuffer was me doing some editorial.

• 1:16:01Steven Rinella?

  The nice thing about the calendar, I don't mean to oversell this here, but if you roll it up, put it in the stocking, it's then going to expand and actually. Firm up.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:16:10Steven Rinella?

  And make a nice firm cylinder.

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. What a sales.

• 1:16:14Steven Rinella?

  That you then put all kinds of other stuff into.

• 1:16:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, kind of like a shell, like a mid-layer for your stocking.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  Uh, next week is, or no, we're two weeks away from Black Friday, uh, Spencer Flip, so, uh, hold out on your holiday shopping until then, maybe.

• 1:16:29Speaker 05

  Uh, we got Logan asking about, he loves eating northern pike. And he's, he's asking for the best way to cook or pickle them, if you guys have any go-tos.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  Pickling them, you're, you're gonna get rid of all those, uh, nasty Y-bones in there, so that's.

• 1:16:44Steven Rinella?

  It is the thing. If you get a pike now and then, it is the thing to do with pike, in my view. It's so good. And just takes all the hassle.

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:16:53Steven Rinella?

  Um, I also like to chump, like, just flay it, leave the pin bones in, cube it up and food process it into, uh, I mean, for lack of a better word, I guess you could call it a mousse, you could call it a paste, and then make fish cakes. And you, you don't know the bones are there.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, old Garrett Smith's dad, um, he runs it through the grinder a couple of times. Until he has, has a paste, yeah.

• 1:17:25Steven Rinella?

  You could pack it like a snowball, um, like.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Yes, and you can just do fried, fried, uh, balls.

• 1:17:31Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  Fried pike balls.

• 1:17:32Steven Rinella?

  Put good stuff to eat in there, breadcrumb, egg, put all that good stuff to eat in there, season it, and then when, then make a little patty or a little ball, roll that in panco, and if you do the panco, then fry it very gently, it's got a crispy outside, a smooth, soft middle.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:50Steven Rinella?

  It's very, very tasty.

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  Pickling or fish cakes, you're not gonna have to worry about all those Y-bones. Uh, let's do one more, Phil.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  Sure, we've had multiple questions about this, it's a hot, hot commodity. What's the hat that Cal is wearing called again, from Caleb?

• 1:18:02Steven Rinella?

  Cal's hat.

• 1:18:04Speaker 04

  The future stocking stuff.

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  First light, Stormy Cromer.

• 1:18:08Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:18:08Steven Rinella?

  Put that in your stocking.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, great, great lid. Once the weather turns cold. It's not on all the timer. Tell you that.

• 1:18:15Steven Rinella?

  All right. You know what's funny? Can I tell you something real quick? My little, my little boy, um, we were gonna name him something different.

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  Can you tell us?

• 1:18:22Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, we were gonna name him my wife's maiden name, Finch. So we, before he was born, we ordered him up his stocking.

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:18:30Steven Rinella?

  But then we changed our minds.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  Wow, what a little Easter egg.

• 1:18:33Steven Rinella?

  And so his stocking still doesn't have his name on it.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  Does it say bitch? Oh, I like that.

• 1:18:39Steven Rinella?

  Our dog's even got one with its name on it. It's got the right name, but his stocking is not his name. It's so funny, dude. He's 10 years old, same stocking.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  Good. Soon as we stop recording here, I'm driving to Nebraska, going deer hunting.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  No way. Holy cats, man.

• 1:18:54Steven Rinella?

  How long are you going hunting for?

• 1:18:55Speaker 04

  Well, as soon as I tag out in Nebraska, their season opens on Saturday. I am shooting up to South Dakota. I have a deer tag there as well.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  So is this a draw, a draw tag in Nebraska?

• 1:19:04Steven Rinella?

  Rich guy over here.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, real rich. Uh, for certain parts of the state, I had to draw to get a mule deer tag. Yes.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Yep. Is that what you have?

• 1:19:12Speaker 04

  I have a mule deer tag.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  And then in South Dakota, I have an any deer tag, which I also had to draw.

• 1:19:16Steven Rinella?

  Must be nice.

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  I'm out of here for the next week.

• 1:19:18Steven Rinella?

  Must be nice.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  Sick dude.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  Just gonna be swimming in buck fever.

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, after killing that big Montana mule deer.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  I'm ready.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  Um, I hope you don't get anything.

• 1:19:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:27Speaker 03

  No, I'm kidding.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  All right. We'll see you guys back here next week, same time and place. Bye now.

• 1:19:44Steven Rinella?

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• 1:20:29Steven Rinella?

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• 1:21:47Steven Rinella?

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