Ep. 798: Bonus - Tis The Season To Be Hunting

Steven Rinella https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en talks with Ryan Callaghan https://www.instagram.com/olcal406/?hl=en, Spencer Neuharth https://www.instagram.com/spencerneuharth/?hl=en, Randall Williams https://www.instagram.com/randall__williams/?hl=en, and Cory Calkins https://www.instagram.com/cman_calkins/reels/?hl=en. Topics discussed: Cal's AK grizzly https://www.instagram.com/olcal406/reel/DQk9TlRieKp/?hl=en; the new CEO of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers; our newest true crime podcast "Blood Trails" https://www.themeateater.com/listen/blood-trails and why you oughta keep your eyes pealed in the woods; a dude poaching deer on prison grounds; baiting with a medium-sized deer; self turn-ins; foul tasting salt water estuary ducks; how you can't get "almost-charged," deferring to Tony Peterson https://www.themeateater.com/people/tony-peterson while deer hunting in Nebraska; and more. Connect with Steve https://www.themeateater.com/authors/steven-rinella and The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella and Twitter https://twitter.com/stevenrinella?lang=en MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 2:44Speaker 02

  Hello, everybody. You may have noticed that we did not air an episode of Meat Eater Radio Live yesterday because of the Thanksgiving holiday here in the good old U.S. of A. So in lieu of that, we decided to drop this bonus Meat Eater Podcast Crew episode. It's Steve and the gang going over fall hunting stories, some newsy bits. It's kind of a throwback, right? And it was supposed to come out in December. So you'll hear references to things happening in December and you can just ignore those because you're listening to it right now. And hey, while you're at it, why don't you go on over to themeateater.com where we're having our big Black Friday blowout sale from now through December 1st. You can get up to 50% savings on things across the entire Meat Eater family of brands. I'm talking

• 3:27Speaker 02

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• 3:48Steven Rinella?

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• 4:22Steven Rinella?

  Welcome to the show, everybody.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  That's a strong welcome.

• 4:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, hell yes. Got a great lineup here today. We're gonna do a bunch of news. We're gonna do some updates.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  I have an item, actually.

• 4:33Steven Rinella?

  Spencer Newhart's here.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  You can continue.

• 4:36Steven Rinella?

  Fresh off killing a big buck.

• 4:40Steven Rinella?

  Randall Williams is here.

• 4:44Steven Rinella?

  Fresh off of nothing. Fresh off of nothing. Heartbreaker. Corey Kalkins. I don't remember.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  You like the Kalkins better.

• 4:52Steven Rinella?

  Kalkins works better for me. Corey Kalkins, fresh off of what? Helping some friends fill their freezers. Good deal. That's a nice deal, yep. Ryan Callaghan's here, fresh from killing a big old grizzly. Yeah, pretty fresh. Well, he said he wants it. He wants the even bigger one. Well, parts of me still smell like that. I've been wearing your, I've been wearing your waiters around and they're coated in that grease. They're like extra waterproof. Yeah. The water doesn't even have a chance to get to the waiter because it's held up by, it gets blocked by grease before it can touch the waiter.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, if I may, this seems like a good time. Happy birthday.

• 5:29Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's good enough. We get the point. Thank you. It's Cal's birthday.

• 5:35Steven Rinella?

  Forty-three. How are you, one? Forty-three. Uh, yeah, that happened.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  No one joined.

• 5:41Steven Rinella?

  That's cool, man. Yeah. Halfway to eighty-six. Yeah, I'm gonna take Friday off. Get kicked out of the bar.

• 5:47Steven Rinella?

  And Phil's here. He's neck deep, he's neck deep in the Cratchit by now.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Here we go, the twelfth edition of the Cratchit Report. Nice.

• 5:55Steven Rinella?

  Oh dude, I'm licking my lips. So, since this hasn't released yet, have we already been there? This comes out December fifteenth.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  So, yes.

• 6:03Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I've already been there.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Oh, and I'm still reeling.

• 6:09Steven Rinella?

  It was good. Yeah, I got really drunk that night, so I don't remember the. Phil was the only guy that did any good.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, wondering which ghost would come out next.

• 6:19Steven Rinella?

  Everybody sucked except Phil.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  That's what we're doing this year is we're changing the, the order of the ghosts. We shuffle it every night just to keep people on their toes. Yeah.

• 6:28Steven Rinella?

  Here's a weird, this is nothing to do with anything, but just a weird ethics question. So. So my friend Mercer Long sends me this here, well, sends me a pocket knife. Not this, sends me a pocket knife with a Daniel Boone quote engraved on it. Just has a nice little friendship gesture. And it's got the quote, "I was happy in the midst of dangers and inconveniences." Which is a Boone quote.

• 6:56Steven Rinella?

  He sends it to me and I promptly lose it.

• 6:59Steven Rinella?

  Turkey hunting. So one year later, I go back to where I remember, I remember needing to fix something. On a little knob.

• 7:10Steven Rinella?

  One year later, I go back to the knob, but I can't remember what knob it was. So I check a couple knobs, never acquire it. Tell him I lost the knife, the Daniel Boone knife. He sends me another one. I'm in Africa and I run into these fellas actually using one of those friction boards to make a fire. They got the spindle in the wood. And I want that thing so bad, but I have nothing to offer for it. So I take Mercer's gift.

• 7:41Steven Rinella?

  And trade it.

• 7:43Steven Rinella?

  And then I feel guilty. So then I went and ordered me up my own.

• 7:51Steven Rinella?

  Is that like, you know what I'm saying?

• 7:55Steven Rinella?

  Seems like a fair trade.

• 7:56Speaker 03

  It's a gift that keeps on giving.

• 7:58Steven Rinella?

  It's like an ethical buy.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  What's the value of that knife?

• 8:00Steven Rinella?

  I don't know.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you could also just say like, I appreciated the gesture so much that I invested in it myself.

• 8:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I bought myself. You know?

• 8:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  You would have bought, you would have bought that on your own, had you not started it.

• 8:18Steven Rinella?

  No, no, no, I wouldn't even have thought about it.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  It's also super cool that there's a guy in Africa going around with a knife with a Daniel Boone quote on it.

• 8:25Steven Rinella?

  My kid asks, my kid, my little one, he kind of was more, he was into that trade. He liked the politics of that trade. And he was not too long ago asking me if I think that he's kept it sharp. And if I think that people have been asking him about it. And I said, yes. Well, I said, no and yes.

• 8:46Steven Rinella?

  Because I don't know how he would, I don't know what he would have to like. He's probably honing it on a wet rock.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  I would think that a big part of their conversation was like, yeah, great trade.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Chunk of wood for a knife, but we also had to sit through forty minute explanation of some dude.

• 9:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Named Daniel.

• 9:07Speaker 05

  And he's like, I basically gave away a book of matches, you know?

• 9:11Steven Rinella?

  Oh, listen, he didn't hesitate. On a swap, he didn't hesitate.

• 9:15Speaker 05

  You both were satisfied afterwards. I think you should double down on this. Are you familiar with like the little red paperclip thing?

• 9:22Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  Or the blue pen or something like that.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  Someone starts with like a little red paperclip and they trade that for a pen and then they trade that pen.

• 9:28Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. My kids always talk about that.

• 9:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, whatever. And eventually they end up with a house.

• 9:33Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:33Speaker 05

  You could do that now.

• 9:35Steven Rinella?

  So I went in the wrong direction.

• 9:37Speaker 05

  No, I don't think so.

• 9:37Steven Rinella?

  He's on his way to doing that.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  You, you both like elevated yourselves.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  With what you received.

• 9:43Steven Rinella?

  Oh, like if I came to someone and said.

• 9:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is a genuine.

• 9:46Steven Rinella?

  Genuine.

• 9:47Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 9:48Steven Rinella?

  This is a genuine.

• 9:49Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 9:51Speaker 05

  And then you've.

• 9:51Steven Rinella?

  Friction board.

• 9:53Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. Do you know the backstory of this friction board?

• 9:55Speaker 04

  People pay a lot for a story.

• 9:56Speaker 06

  It could be a very valuable friction board for this.

• 9:58Steven Rinella?

  Well, I got a picture of the guy. He's a Maasai warrior decked out with a Maasai spear. And that's his friction board. And I got a picture of him holding the knife.

• 10:07Speaker 05

  Okay, it's a good start.

• 10:08Steven Rinella?

  So, yeah, man, I'll trade that for what? A house?

• 10:11Speaker 05

  Well, eventually, yeah, whatever. Once you like one acre.

• 10:13Speaker 06

  You're gonna have to start out small with a broken washing machine.

• 10:16Speaker 05

  To get to you. So you know, like fifteen trades from now, you're gonna have an acre somewhere.

• 10:20Steven Rinella?

  You know.

• 10:21Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 10:22Steven Rinella?

  Um. Lot of news. We haven't covered. We haven't done a news show in a long time. We're gonna cover off on some interesting news, but the first bit of news we haven't talked about on the podcast is, is, um. Uh, Callahan's big news. Callahan, you want to explain your big news?

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 10:38Steven Rinella?

  Not your, not your bear.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, I am the incoming CEO at Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, which is, is super cool. I start officially January first. And organization I've volunteered with for over a decade at this point.

• 10:57Steven Rinella?

  Have you really been on the board that long?

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Well.

• 11:00Steven Rinella?

  In various capacities.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  In various capacities. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Cause yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of. Rules involving nonprofit boards and how they function the bylaws. So like you can serve so long as just a board member at large and then you can serve longer if you become a committee chair or you know boring stuff like that. But yeah, yeah. So I'm, I'm super excited and very optimistic for the, the future of those organizations in general, but BHA specifically because I think we got a, a big voice and a lot of good things going for us. Nonpartisan participation particularly.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  I think you're gonna do a good job, man. Well, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to it. Lot to learn, little scary, a lot of things I don't know, which was kind of my.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  There's a lot of knobs and switches that you've never seen.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  From your cockpit here.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  Exactly. And that's what I told the board when they asked me if I'd be interested. Like, are you guys aware of all the things I don't know?

• 12:05Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Like Excel spreadsheets, for instance. I hear those are big in CEO circles. Um, so that, that was, that was super cool. They walked through that process with everybody and you definitely do hear about your faults from a board of people. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Already you've heard about them? Yes.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  What are they?

• 12:26Speaker 04

  They've already told you your faults? We don't have enough time.

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Spencer. Yeah, they're like, so we know you're probably not going to be good at. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you're going to need help with.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  And then eventually you kind of get around to the good stuff, but we think you're going to be really good at. And you should be really good at. And, and yeah, so mostly balanced each other out. But yeah, that was, that was, that was great. So I'm, I'm real excited. And then, um, of course, we'll, um, continue to work with all you fellows here, which is kind of having your cake and eat it too. So. Yeah, we'll be your mouthpiece, dude.

• 13:06Steven Rinella?

  We need to come and tell people about something, come tell them about it. Yeah. Cal's, Cal's report. Exactly. You'll get to sit in this chair next time. Oh, Cal get to move up to the important chair. Wow. Yeah. That's cause Cal always sits in that. That's gonna be a hard transition for you folks. He'll be over in the important chair. I don't know why he's there right now. He's the open one when I came in. He's got a really good story. He did shoot a big buck. Hmm. Oh, that's why he's in that chair. Yeah. Yep. Um, I got, I got a bucks, I got, I got, I got a three pack buck story I'm gonna tell too. Cal's can talk about his bear and I'm gonna tell about my three pack buck story. Nice. Um, Blood Trails, if you guys been listening to the Blood Trails, the podcast, it's been doing great, man. A lot of people listen to Blood Trails and one thing we get into Blood Trails.

• 13:52Steven Rinella?

  Um, all the missing bodies. And what's totally weird about it is Crin finds this article. Well, let me first, Blood Trails is a crime series. It's all outdoor, like, like murders, missing people, all the outdoor hunting and fishing twists. So it's like murder mysteries and other things, cold cases that involve outdoor characters, hunting trips, various things. The first one we ever did was, we did one on a guy that was found by his hunting partners, dead, shot in the back next to his turkey decoys. We did one on a guy in Maine, kills a buck.

• 14:35Steven Rinella?

  Clear tracks in the snow, drags the buck out to a road. There's tracks in the snow where a car pulled up, like, hey, can we give you some help? They can tell from tracks in the snow that the guy loaded the buck, that the buck was loaded

• 14:51Steven Rinella?

  into a car.

• 14:53Steven Rinella?

  The buck and the man never to be seen again. There's all these twists and turns.

• 14:58Steven Rinella?

  There's a Blood Trails about a guy, a guy in Wisconsin, meeting his buddy to go hunting. Um, his car weirdly turns up with the wheels gone near one of his hunting spots. But not where he was supposed to meet his buddy and not when body never found.

• 15:19Steven Rinella?

  Um, so that's a series you can go subscribe to and listen, but then here's a crazy thing that Crin sends me like a little news blip here. The Minnesota Department of Public Safety is asking hunters to be extra vigilant during the firearm opening.

• 15:37Steven Rinella?

  This is a news alert, right? Not only looking for deer, but also for signs of missing people.

• 15:44Steven Rinella?

  Basically saying, hey, a bunch of people out in the woods running around weird places. Keep your eyes out for

• 15:53Steven Rinella?

  discarded clothing in areas where it doesn't belong. Or bones that do not appear to be from animals.

• 16:04Steven Rinella?

  Like a little announcement they made. Do not touch any of the items. Take photographs if possible. Save location on a GPS, drop a pin. Call the cops.

• 16:20Speaker 04

  I bet I know where some bodies are disappeared to. Hmm. Just because I feel like everybody here probably has the same thought process when you come across certain spots where you're like,

• 16:31Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Boy, if I ever had to.

• 16:34Speaker 05

  This would be it.

• 16:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 05

  Yeah. When a body does turn up somewhere, I usually think the opposite. Like, that's the best you could do for hiding a body?

• 16:43Steven Rinella?

  Norm MacDonald has a big bit about that.

• 16:45Speaker 05

  Like the city park.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  The hastily dug grave.

• 16:47Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 04

  That's, yeah. It's a great one.

• 16:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. He's got a bit about that where he's like, if he was going to kill someone, he'd start out by digging a really deep hole.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. A thoroughly dug grave.

• 17:01Steven Rinella?

  Because he said they always leave it as an afterthought.

• 17:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:06Steven Rinella?

  This is, we're combining humor, humor, we're putting in humor where it doesn't belong.

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:10Steven Rinella?

  Talking about missing people, but that's what comedians do.

• 17:12Speaker 05

  This genre of podcasts is like quite popular now and you know, media is doing its own spin on it and there are now multiple examples of podcasters helping solve some of these crimes.

• 17:22Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  That were cold cases. So, uh, like listen to blood trails and maybe something, uh, you know, will, will make sense for you.

• 17:29Steven Rinella?

  We're gonna do some follow up because some, we've already had some interesting things come in now.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  It's just, just another way the hunting community helps the general public at large. Another service we do for all of you who don't.

• 17:46Steven Rinella?

  You know, here's one.

• 17:50Steven Rinella?

  Do you know that this year, Japan has had 10 brown bear fatalities? Yeah. They've had 100, Japan has had 100 brown bear attacks, 10 fatalities.

• 18:09Steven Rinella?

  Listen to this. I want to pull this up.

• 18:13Steven Rinella?

  I'll pull up a news bit about it. You trying to do it, Corey? Put that in your little thingamabob there. They really, see, here's where new, this is news gone bad. Play this clip. Phil will probably say he can't because some stupid reason. Yeah, for sure.

• 18:27Steven Rinella?

  Mr. No, no. Did you call your lawyers yet? You know, I was reading the other day that actors aren't artists. Oh, okay. I'll take that.

• 18:35Speaker 06

  Oh, he, yeah.

• 18:36Steven Rinella?

  Thanks.

• 18:37Speaker 06

  Is that an opinion piece or?

• 18:38Steven Rinella?

  Or hard not. It was in the comment section to a thing and he was, he raised some, raised points. They don't write their own lines. They don't pick their own costumes. They don't do what they want to do. They got to do what the director says. They're not artists. I thought about Phil. All right.

• 18:55Steven Rinella?

  I don't even have a quippy retort to that. Steve will just. Because no one wrote it for him.

• 18:59Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 19:03Steven Rinella?

  They had to write it for him and he had to rehearse it.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Maybe you need to sit in a Dungeons and Dragons game with Phil to appreciate his art.

• 19:11Steven Rinella?

  Can you pull it up?

• 19:12Speaker 06

  Uh, that link just goes to Gmail.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  All right. Good deal.

• 19:17Speaker 06

  But you can Google it.

• 19:18Steven Rinella?

  But those brown bear attacks. Son of a gun. Keep everybody, keep everybody entertained.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, and brown bears, right? Like they, we, we think about them in the American context, but they're spread all over.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  You don't have to go all that far out of Rome, Italy, to get attacked by a brown bear.

• 19:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  That's not a place people associate with brown bears.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  Is that the Dolomites?

• 19:40Steven Rinella?

  Oh, here we go. Here we go. Listen to this. This is.

• 19:44Speaker 07

  Killed by bears this year.

• 19:46Speaker 08

  And the MTS tie up reports the government is taking unusual steps to reduce the threat.

• 19:53Speaker 07

  Japan is grappling with the grizzly problem.

• 19:56Steven Rinella?

  That's all I wanted to include there. What a cheap shot. Clever. Whoever wrote that. Japan is grappling with a grizzly problem. That's bad. Um, but my God. Yeah. A hundred attacks and ten, ten, like Japan. I'm no geographer.

• 20:17Steven Rinella?

  It is not a large island.

• 20:21Steven Rinella?

  The, like, like. What's the cause? I don't know. I haven't really listened to that. Too many bears. A lot, a lot of bears, a lot of people.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Urban interface.

• 20:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, one of them happened inside a supermarket.

• 20:32Steven Rinella?

  You think like grizzlies, so if you take Alaska in the lower forty eight. Mm hmm. So if you take basically Alaska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho. Grizzlies kill a couple of people a year, max. Yeah, maybe. Ten, ten in Japan and a hundred attacks.

• 20:51Steven Rinella?

  That's wild.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Yep. Yeah, and they, they just pull, point to, uh, Japan has a hunting culture. It's shrinking. It's aging. Uh, I think overall Japan is still considered to be, uh, way too old. They're trying to reverse that trend, right? Like the population average is aging. And with that, they're losing, um, all sorts of cultural, uh, things, hunting being one of them. And one of the theories is that you have a, a disarmed, old thing, aging population that, uh, doesn't interact with wildlife the way it historically has. And, um, the brown bears have figured it out.

• 21:36Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm. Hmm.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  And they're, they're taking advantage. And there's, there's just areas that, uh, villages, places, rural communities on the outskirts that, uh, have a way smaller population than they historically have.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  And so, you know, because of that, bears aren't having as much human interference, but they're interacting with with human things. And and that's where the the conflict is occurring.

• 22:06Steven Rinella?

  When Steve asked you to fill time, why did you start talking about Italy? When you know everything there is to know about the Japan situation?

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Well, I just think that

• 22:17Steven Rinella?

  It's a flex, dude.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  You need to, we have

• 22:20Steven Rinella?

  He had a full clip back there.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Because I had started writing this thing about like, why people should care about uh, like our disappearing grasslands in America, Bureau of Land Management lands in general. And uh, how unique the American pronghorn antelope is.

• 22:37Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  And being fresh off this brown bear hunt. I'm like, you know, brown bears are amazing and people think about brown bears all the time and like brown bears. Aren't nearly as American. You could say not American like

• 22:52Steven Rinella?

  Sort of either circumpolar.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Right, you know, and and here's the places that you can find them. And here's the places where they are like. I wouldn't consider them like crazy wild animals, right? And it's like.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  They're pretty damn close to the Vatican. That doesn't seem to go hand in hand, you know?

• 23:12Steven Rinella?

  That ain't American.

• 23:15Speaker 05

  One of the things they're blaming it on is a poor acorn harvest. Yeah, that's right. Which also happened in 2023. So there the bears are winding up in uh, places where humans are to steal their food instead.

• 23:27Steven Rinella?

  Hmm, it's good to have Spencer here, man. Yeah, a lot of guys come in this room, you know, they're all lazy. They don't look anything up.

• 23:34Steven Rinella?

  Flying blind. Yeah. It's like this guy opens his mouth, he's got some gold, man.

• 23:38Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 23:39Steven Rinella?

  And Cal's got all that about Italy, that was cool.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  God, just put artificial intelligence in the room.

• 23:45Speaker 06

  It sounds like they deployed their self-defense forces to take care of this problem. I I don't know of any update beyond that, though.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  Well, they they also have a pretty serious bear spray distribution program.

• 23:57Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 23:57Speaker 04

  Yep, and uh, there the robot dog thing, there's all.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  They're they're getting technology out there and then they're um you can borrow cans of bear spray and return them and stuff. So there's they're working on it.

• 24:13Steven Rinella?

  It was so funny about bear spray culture. I've been noticing a lot around here.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Bear spray culture.

• 24:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's like a whole culture.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  It's a thing for sure.

• 24:20Steven Rinella?

  If people go, it's so funny, like, people go to a trailhead around here. Let's say you're gonna go hike up the M Hill. Half people hike up the M Hill got a can of bear spray. There's a lion up there. Well, I know, but hear me out. Hear me out. On our like our ring camera, there's a bear every two nights. Really? My neighbor has a bear every night. There's I was walking, you know, now I was walking around uh down by the golf course with my kids. Bear shit everywhere. Golfers don't have bear spray. When you go out to take your kids to school, like when people walk out to take their kids to school and get in their car, they don't have bear spray. Yeah, there's certain bear spray activities. Yeah, why is it that that people are? Yeah, that's right. That's a good.

• 25:05Steven Rinella?

  People bring it according to what they're doing. It's an accessory. Not according to what the odds are, like what the bear proximity is.

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Convention of eighteen seventy three.

• 25:16Steven Rinella?

  Like hiking, bear spray, being around bears now? The Council of Galveston decreed this.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  Well, I I told you uh way back in my construction crew days, uh this guy that we worked with, he'd put his family on speakerphone when they would call. Because they would often end the call with, now remember, don't get off the pavement. The bears don't, they don't like the pavement.

• 25:45Steven Rinella?

  Every two nights? What's that? Every two nights? I'm exaggerating a lot. Well, when when the choke charries come in. Oh. Mm hmm. When the choke charries come in. But you you my neighbor who's. Right there.

• 25:59Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 26:00Steven Rinella?

  You should, you should talk to him. He, I'm not exaggerated by my neighbor.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  Every two nights?

• 26:04Steven Rinella?

  Call him and ask him.

• 26:06Speaker 05

  I believe.

• 26:06Steven Rinella?

  I'll call some bitch right now.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  Do they, do they mess with garbage lot?

• 26:09Steven Rinella?

  It just comes through eating choke cherries messing with garbage. The other day, his wife had to shoo it off in the middle of the day. Trying to get it out of there, probably without bear spray.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  When we lived in Missoula, we, like our house and our neighbor's house used to be an old orchard. So there's all these apple trees and plum trees and everything. And yeah, there's like two months of the year where there'd be bears in the trash every night or just out in the yard. And they just roam like the rattlesnake neighborhood, sort of at will, but nobody's carrying bear spray.

• 26:40Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Uh, one came through somebody's house, actually. They were like sitting on the back porch and a bear came, do you remember that story?

• 26:47Speaker 04

  Just followed the dog through the house?

• 26:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, just like came in one door and came out the other door.

• 26:53Speaker 05

  You know what I learned about Missoula this year that I bet this room has a lot of, uh, input on is that the feral horses that live?

• 26:59Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  Like in town?

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 05

  The videos of that are so crazy.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. And I think the story there is like, uh, outfitter went bust and just cut his pack string loose.

• 27:09Speaker 05

  How long ago?

• 27:12Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 27:13Speaker 05

  When, when I, when I heard that they were like in town, I didn't think literally in town, like standing on sodded front lawn.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  It used to be that area is like really grown in the past 10 years. But yeah, it's like, it used to be a more rural.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  That looks more threatening than a bear.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. I, I shouldn't be there.

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• 29:35Steven Rinella?

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• 30:14Steven Rinella?

  A Tennessee guy, Tennessee man.

• 30:22Steven Rinella?

  Um, has that runs into that problem where you know, when you see giant bucks where you're not supposed to chase them?

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 30:29Steven Rinella?

  You hear about this guy? So.

• 30:33Steven Rinella?

  He gets wind of a, or he's probably seeing this giant buck running around.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Giant bucks.

• 30:40Steven Rinella?

  I mean, pretty darn nice. Nice bucks. Now, now I'm blocked out of this damn thing. Oh, you're looking at the pictures. I'm in the Tennessee. Yep. So there's this very distinctive buck with some drop tines and stuff like that. And all of a sudden there he is and he's got it.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 30:55Steven Rinella?

  He's got pictures of it out. Well, the prison guard, the local prison guard. Says, Hey, I know that buck. He lives at the prison.

• 31:07Steven Rinella?

  They go and check this guy's house out. He's got three bucks he killed on the prison. What's interesting about the news article in the Tennessean is it, instead of talking about how big any of them is, it gives you the combined score of all three bucks. Yeah.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Which.

• 31:23Steven Rinella?

  So then you have to do math. Sixty-three inches each. Yeah. So it's like, it says he killed three bucks totaling, well. Four hundred ninety-one inches, which is a hundred sixty-three inches each. If you imagine like, like, first off, I will, we'll talk about the story in a minute, but I just saw, if you imagine like your average person reading the Tennessean.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Mm hmm.

• 31:49Steven Rinella?

  And you tell them, he killed three bucks totaling. Tell me again.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Four hundred ninety-three.

• 31:55Steven Rinella?

  Four hundred ninety-one inches. What is the level of like, oh?

• 32:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you know, like the reader, what is their level of hmm?

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Wow. Or the editor was just like, this graph is too long. Let's just add them all up.

• 32:10Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I just kind of get lost in all the numbers. I mean, you're talking about how big all the deer are. Can you just add them up?

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:15Steven Rinella?

  So he killed a, he could, he quote. Oh, no, no. This is a quote from the actual Lauderdale County General Sessions judge. Judge Lovelace.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 32:30Steven Rinella?

  Like that name.

• 32:32Steven Rinella?

  He said, quote, "The three bucks had a combined gross score," not net.

• 32:41Steven Rinella?

  Quote, "The three bucks had a combined gross score of four hundred and ninety-one and five eights inches."

• 32:51Speaker 03

  This just sounds ripe for a uh, a screenplay.

• 32:56Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  The scheme, the scheme to break into the prison.

• 32:59Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  To hunt the big bucks.

• 33:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Fifty-three-year-old man.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  God, man, I could totally relate to that guy.

• 33:06Steven Rinella?

  I, I just want-

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Because in two years, I can picture hunting at the prison.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  I just want-

• 33:11Steven Rinella?

  It's like a heist movie.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  It's like a heist movie where they have to break into prison.

• 33:14Speaker 04

  I know I shouldn't do this, but for those in the room.

• 33:17Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Listeners, block your ears. I just watched Cory Calkins look this place up and drop not just a pin, but a whitetail buck pin on the correctional facility.

• 33:30Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 33:32Speaker 06

  It was more for you to help me out with the next-

• 33:34Speaker 03

  What does the perimeter look like, Corey?

• 33:35Speaker 06

  It looks good. It looks very-

• 33:37Speaker 04

  So for those of you who fancy yourselves as bee scouters-

• 33:40Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'm gonna make a movie. It's called Oceans One, dude. And it's just one dude trying to kill bucks off the prison.

• 33:47Speaker 06

  It's a beautiful piece of ground.

• 33:49Steven Rinella?

  It's an amazing, he's got some amazing bucks. The other thing I appreciate about the article is it's trying to like, it's, so the article says, uh, um, where's this thing?

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Is Corey thinking, "One day, if I ever go to Tennessee, or one day if I ever get thrown in prison, I can see."

• 34:05Steven Rinella?

  Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency Lieutenant Tim Ward.

• 34:11Steven Rinella?

  Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency Lieutenant Tim Ward heard reports in January that a fifteen-point double drop-tine, then the article includes a very helpful parenthetical, meaning some of the antlers point down.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:26Steven Rinella?

  Was shot in Lauderdale County. Lieutenant Ward was familiar with this deer. As it had been spotted frequently around the West Tennessee State Penitentiary, where hunting is prohibited. Now, if you had to go to jail, let's say you're a big hunter, they throw you in the Who Scout. That's worse than being in jail. Is you look out your little barred window?

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:51Steven Rinella?

  And that son of a bitch is walking by.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:54Steven Rinella?

  You pattern him out the window.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  Also, with that description, when you, uh, hang a buck up on your, uh, gambrels?

• 35:03Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  Are they all drop-tines?

• 35:06Speaker 04

  Look at all the drop tines on that. Look at the drop tines on that buck right there holding her.

• 35:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, it looks like it's a chain link fence around the perimeter. So yeah, I'm sure some inmates were watching those deer.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  I mean, I do think we should offer the disclaimer that we're all well aware that these deer were likely outside of the perimeter.

• 35:22Steven Rinella?

  You don't think they're in the yard?

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, certainly. It's much more fun to entertain that scenario, but I just don't think, I don't want to get a bunch of messages on Instagram saying, you idiot.

• 35:32Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, no, I understand. Yeah. You know, like the part of the prison where the bad guys kind of whisper and stuff about like, you know,

• 35:39Speaker 03

  In the yard?

• 35:39Steven Rinella?

  Further crime they're gonna do, you know? I, in the movies, I don't think that's where the buck was.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  He's not by the, he's not by the bench press in the basketball.

• 35:50Steven Rinella?

  No, he's not there, man. He's off like in the area where a prisoner gets away.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 35:55Steven Rinella?

  Where he's gonna hide.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Where the searchlights shine into.

• 35:58Steven Rinella?

  No, I don't carry bear spray just because there's a black bear in the vicinity, but if I was hunting in there, I'd carry bear spray. Because you don't know when a guy's gonna bust the huskow.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:07Steven Rinella?

  And there you are.

• 36:08Speaker 06

  Mm hmm. I will say this butts up against public land.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  Right, exactly.

• 36:12Steven Rinella?

  But that double drop time.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  There's somebody right now that's just upset with you.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Oh, so upset. It's so upset.

• 36:18Speaker 06

  Public knowledge here.

• 36:19Steven Rinella?

  I mean, he's got, he's got a buck that's like a beautiful typical, that crazy drop tiner. He's got the other one with some real junk on it, some little kickers here and there. They don't explain kickers in the article.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  I, I, this is embarrassing to say, but I definitely had a reaction of like,

• 36:42Speaker 04

  the, I mean, it's just the greed, man. Like this guy had this little illegal thing figured out.

• 36:48Steven Rinella?

  I don't know.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  That was producing very well.

• 36:51Steven Rinella?

  Or is he thinking?

• 36:54Speaker 06

  Prison, that's public land.

• 36:55Steven Rinella?

  Is he thinking this? He's like, here these, here's these deer. First off, he's thinking, these people are supposed to be in jail.

• 37:04Steven Rinella?

  Instead of looking at giant bucks.

• 37:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, take that right away. Do you know what I mean? Like, like, they're doing their, they committed, and now they committed.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  Why should they have the joy?

• 37:14Steven Rinella?

  Heinous crimes, and now they get to look at giant bucks, and I don't.

• 37:20Steven Rinella?

  So that might be what he's thinking.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  I'm thinking of casting a Channing Tatum type for the lead in this film.

• 37:27Steven Rinella?

  Not a real artist.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  But someone with a sense of humor who can also be sort of a dashing action hero.

• 37:33Steven Rinella?

  Sure, that's a good.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  I say greed because the guy. He wasn't like. I have a combined gross amount of antler of four hundred and ninety-one for my secret hunting spot.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  I should call it quits now, or I shouldn't tell anybody.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  He did it successfully enough that he was comfortable getting two of these deer shoulder mounted. Which is like kind of a high profile thing that happens if you go get a deer shoulder mounted.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, if he's not a home taxidermist.

• 38:03Speaker 05

  Folks know.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Right?

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, one on the right is a deer that should be in a, on a T-shirt.

• 38:11Steven Rinella?

  Clay did one about a guy that killed one on a military base illegally. He claimed that when he saw, he just lost his mind. Soon as he shot, he knew, soon as he shot, he said, I said to myself, I'll never get away with this. But he had temporary insanity.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 38:28Steven Rinella?

  We interviewed a guy one time, a game warden from Idaho, former game, no, he was a game warden at the time, Eric.

• 38:37Steven Rinella?

  You only put those robo deer out?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:41Steven Rinella?

  They don't use giants. You use mediums.

• 38:47Steven Rinella?

  He was saying if you push it to using giants. Everyone shoots at it.

• 38:54Steven Rinella?

  So they're like. They want to get the real.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  I was thinking that was not going to be the case.

• 39:00Steven Rinella?

  They use mediums.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:01Steven Rinella?

  Because they're worried that it's like entrapment. It's entrapment. You're baiting the trap with too enticing of a bait. So you bait it with a medium.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 39:13Steven Rinella?

  Makes sense.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, I was, uh, working with Jordan Sellers to go back to blood trails.

• 39:21Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Um, because there's a Idaho judge who's now retired, who several game wardens referred to as a hanging judge when it came to wildlife crime.

• 39:31Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  And so I'm trying to get that fellow tracked down so Jordan can talk to him because I, I'm like, if that's the case, I'm sure he's got some, some fun, uh, stories that might fit for Jordan Sellers.

• 39:45Steven Rinella?

  That's interesting. Uh, I have a friend in law enforcement and he has a hard, he generally has a hard time. Um, he generally has a hard time with wildlife crimes that come to juries or wildlife crimes.

• 40:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:00Steven Rinella?

  With, with judges where a lot of them are like, a what now? A deer?

• 40:04Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yep.

• 40:06Steven Rinella?

  Like what?

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Yep. Exactly.

• 40:08Steven Rinella?

  Really? We're here to talk about a deer?

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. Several conversations with, uh, prosecutors, county prosecutors who have known through friends and family and stuff, who have eventually been like, hey, can you tell me why? When a game warden brings a case into our office, that they're so serious about it?

• 40:31Steven Rinella?

  Cause you're not.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause, um, it's like, well, by the, they've done a lot of work. And they, they have to like cross this line of like, okay, this is consuming a lot of resources and time. It is worth it.

• 40:47Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  And so they need it to be worth it to you. Or else it's, it's a giant waste of time and, and they're picking and choosing like what is going to make the biggest impact.

• 40:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 40:58Speaker 04

  And, um, and, and, and that's why, and they know that all these prosecutors are like, oh, here's some truly gross human stuff. Drugs or trafficking or, you know, you name it.

• 41:14Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  And they're like, and you're worried about a whitetail deer?

• 41:18Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:20Steven Rinella?

  That's gotta be.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  And the guy just shot it after dark.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:24Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. But so he could have legally killed it 20 minutes earlier, but, but you're worried because he killed it 20.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 41:30Steven Rinella?

  But then, then at the same time, that's the game warden's mandate.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think we should have like a version of a, a military tribunal for wildlife violations.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  And who would be on there? Just old game wardens?

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, like people who get it.

• 41:48Steven Rinella?

  That's a good point, man.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  People who get it.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:51Steven Rinella?

  Like pull, change the constitution and stuff.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:54Steven Rinella?

  You know, there's like a traffic court.

• 41:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, there's a couple of tweaks.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:00Steven Rinella?

  Tweaks people have been talking about in the constitution. That might be a good one. Wild like a little, what do you call when you add on to that sucker?

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Amendment? Well, yeah, I mean, a jury of your peers. For a hunter to be tried by a bunch of non-hunters. Feel like it's.

• 42:13Steven Rinella?

  Not your peers. You should be a constitutional attorney.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  That's a great idea.

• 42:16Steven Rinella?

  Keeping with.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  A jury of your peers should be the, yeah, your peers.

• 42:21Steven Rinella?

  Well, they might be like, well, my, I'm, I'm a poacher.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Oh, the other.

• 42:25Steven Rinella?

  So my peers.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  The other important factor in wildlife crime is there's no intent. You know, like human crime, it's like, well. Obviously they were intending this because of their, these previous actions and things. And then your witnesses in the woods don't.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  They never end up taking the stand, right?

• 42:46Steven Rinella?

  I know, it's true. Cause then you're, the question with wildlife crime too is like, you know, they always get into motive.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:52Steven Rinella?

  What was the motive? He wanted that big old buck.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:58Steven Rinella?

  He wanted a really big buck. That's about that.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:03Steven Rinella?

  That's what it was.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. Couple back straps.

• 43:07Steven Rinella?

  Uh.

• 43:09Steven Rinella?

  Here's one, it's like, you can spend an hour on this. I'd actually like to spend an hour on this.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 43:14Steven Rinella?

  So in California.

• 43:18Steven Rinella?

  There, there, this is a complicated story. Two former ranch properties were recently returned to the Tulley River Indian Tribe.

• 43:32Steven Rinella?

  The tribe's ancestral lands straddle the foothills of present day Tulare County. Am I saying that right? Tulare County?

• 43:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:41Steven Rinella?

  The land return was funded through the California Natural Resources Agency. The, the agency's tribal nature-based solutions program. So there was these ranches.

• 43:55Steven Rinella?

  That were somehow under California control. And they did a land back thing and granted the ranches to the tribe. Because the ranches connect. The tri- tribal reservation lands to public lands. To US Forest Service lands.

• 44:15Steven Rinella?

  They promptly turn around. Um, and put a bunch of wildlife enhancement efforts in place and start. Uh, Tulie Elkhard. On their land.

• 44:28Steven Rinella?

  That's interesting.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  Very much so. I, I will admit I didn't read that one, but, uh.

• 44:37Steven Rinella?

  You can, there's two huge elements here. The, the land back, the land back movement, that'd be like. Corinne's not here.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  Well, I think.

• 44:46Steven Rinella?

  If Corinne was here, I'd be telling she, you know, she's here doing her job.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 44:51Steven Rinella?

  And not hunting. I, I would be telling her about how we should do something on land back.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Is it specifically land back or was it a scenario where there were? The state wanted to get rid of this stuff. For all the reasons states do. And there were several entities in the running. Or was this a specific agreement with the tribe that had lasted forever? That's what I don't know.

• 45:17Steven Rinella?

  So from San Francisco gate.com, SFGate.com. Tulie Elkhard, once again roaming the Sierra Nevada foothills southwest of Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks after a historic land return. That Governor Gavin Newsom is calling the largest of its kind in the region's history. The 17,030 acres made up of two former ranch properties were recently returned. To the Tulie River Indian Tribe.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Hmm. Interesting.

• 45:51Steven Rinella?

  The land return was funded through the California Natural Resource Agency's tribal nature-based solutions program. Which partners with tribes across the state to place the stewardship of ancestral land back in indigenous hands.

• 46:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, that definitely fits. Heavy on that language.

• 46:12Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. So that's a subject and then to the elk is a subject. Neither of those subjects we've really ever taken on on the show. Work her in here doing her job.

• 46:25Steven Rinella?

  I'd put that she'd put that on her little. We can make a note for Phil.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've already got it jotted down.

• 46:29Steven Rinella?

  And then maybe put a sticky note where she should be sitting.

• 46:34Steven Rinella?

  Right next to. What you missed. Your but mate. What you missed.

• 46:39Speaker 05

  She said that you gave her a hall pass to elk hunt today instead of coming to the podcast. What was that conversation like?

• 46:46Steven Rinella?

  She texted me and basically it was like. What time? Yesterday. It was basically like, are you a good person or a bad person?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 46:56Steven Rinella?

  It works. I suppose I could come back if I really needed to.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  For the record, I could be hunting right now.

• 47:04Steven Rinella?

  Do you follow me?

• 47:06Speaker 02

  But I'm here.

• 47:06Steven Rinella?

  What am I supposed to do?

• 47:07Speaker 05

  Well, when Corinne sent out this invite, Cal's response was Corinne. That is the best day of the mule deer rut.

• 47:15Steven Rinella?

  No, it's not.

• 47:16Speaker 06

  November 12th. Begged a difference.

• 47:19Speaker 05

  Fight about it.

• 47:21Steven Rinella?

  It is Cal's birthday, so.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  Me, Randall and Cory will decide which day is better, which day is better. Steve.

• 47:29Steven Rinella?

  Sorry.

• 47:29Speaker 05

  If he says November 12th, what's your answer?

• 47:33Steven Rinella?

  19.

• 47:34Speaker 05

  November 19.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Is that because that's when you specifically will be out, out and about? And you're, you're just trying to hype yourself.

• 47:42Steven Rinella?

  I'm out and about when I think it's the best day.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Okay. Chicken egg situation.

• 47:49Steven Rinella?

  Here's a good one.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  Cory, which day is better?

• 47:52Speaker 06

  Thanksgiving.

• 47:53Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 47:55Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. So they, so the deer know it's a Thursday?

• 47:58Speaker 06

  And nobody's out there. Especially in the afternoon, about, oh, 3:30.

• 48:04Steven Rinella?

  It's like Wisconsin, then the Packers are playing, dude.

• 48:07Speaker 06

  It's a good day to be in the woods.

• 48:07Steven Rinella?

  Lose yourself, hunt the neighbor's place. Used to be able to took trail cameras.

• 48:13Steven Rinella?

  That's my understanding. I'm not, I don't hunt. What was the motive? That's what Wisconsin guys say, like prior to trail cams, you could hunt your neighbor. You could, you could drive your neighbor's property during Packers games.

• 48:23Speaker 05

  That's perfect.

• 48:24Steven Rinella?

  You never get caught. Now you can get caught. This is what I've been told by Wisconsinites.

• 48:32Steven Rinella?

  It's a hot tip. It's a hot tip if you had a time machine, it's a real hot tip.

• 48:38Steven Rinella?

  So this guy was digging, he was into the deep cuts. He's back listening to episode 777. Oh, no. What am I saying? That's not a deep cut. He's listening to recent episode. Um, he says how we were talking about the South Carolina DNR's use of the term still hunts. Remember we talked about this, Randall? A guy wrote in, he moves to South Carolina and he's reading the South Carolina regs and he sees that there's there's a thing in the South Carolina deer regs where there's a tight, there's a distinction. A still hunt.

• 49:14Steven Rinella?

  He reads that how most people in America would read it, a still hunt being very slowly, very quietly making your way through prime deer country, not sitting still. So it's a misnomer, but like few steps, stop and listen, few steps, stop and listen. That's called still hunting. Why that's called still hunting? I don't know. It should be called slow walk hunting.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Timber creeping.

• 49:36Steven Rinella?

  Timber creeping, but still hunting, if you go get like old hunting books, any kind of hunting books, whatever, that is still hunting. Slow deliberate travel, few steps, stop and listen, few steps, stop and listen. That's called still hunting.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  If you're walking slightly faster and you're Doug Durin, it's called a mooch.

• 49:54Steven Rinella?

  Um, yes. Well, if there are people stand hunting nearby. You could spend a long time explaining all these distinctions. And this guy moves to South Carolina and he's like, you can only still hunt. He's looking at his regs. This is still hunting season. He, no joke, calls the fishing game agency to be like, why can't you hunt? Why can't I sit in my tree stand?

• 50:19Steven Rinella?

  And they're like, no, you idiot. Still hunting here means hunting not with dogs.

• 50:28Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 50:30Steven Rinella?

  A guy writes in, here's another one from South Carolina that kinda like is tricky.

• 50:35Steven Rinella?

  You cannot possess any deer with the head, sorry. You, you may not, okay, here's the rule. Possessing any deer with the head detached while in transit from the point of kill is prohibited.

• 50:54Steven Rinella?

  Meaning if you're in South Carolina and you kill one often the, in a swamp.

• 51:01Steven Rinella?

  He realized he is not allowed to part that deer out. He had, you have to take the deer out hole. You can't transport a deer. And he says, he's wondering, what if I leave its head attached to like its front arm by a flap of hide?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. I don't.

• 51:18Steven Rinella?

  Isn't that a weird one?

• 51:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Very weird.

• 51:20Steven Rinella?

  You cannot, you cannot take a deer apart in the woods.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  And you would have to, because there are, you know, it's very, uh, random, but there's does that get little antlers. Um, and you're, still doesn't say you need to leave evidence of sex, right? Right. Like in general, the head would be evidence of sex, but not always. That must be what they're referring to.

• 51:43Steven Rinella?

  Well, yeah, but in Montana, evidence of sex doesn't count the head. Back when it was the rule, they changed the rule recently. In Montana had to be, you had to leave evidence of sex attached. So you could remove the genitals, you can move the, the, you could remove the mammarys, the packer, the vulva, whatever, it could all be removed. You could have the head still attached. You could still get a ticket.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:07Steven Rinella?

  They, they were like, the head doesn't tell us enough. We need to see, I, I, I was one time get.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  Evidence of sex defined as.

• 52:14Steven Rinella?

  I was issued a warning shortly after moving to Montana, I had a game warden issue me a warning. And it was really nice and gave me a note in case another game warden tried to get, yell at me for the same thing. Anyways, I'm like, but the head's on it.

• 52:28Steven Rinella?

  He's like, man, doesn't cut it.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Hmm, yeah.

• 52:31Steven Rinella?

  Doesn't cut it. You gotta, you gotta leave the sexual organs attached. He didn't care about that. The head could be gone. They just want the sexual organs. So in this case,

• 52:40Steven Rinella?

  that's just a weird one to me. So this guy's lived, he's lived elsewhere than moved to South Carolina. So the way he normally goes about things, he can't go about.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  The other interesting thing here is like, I know in Montana,

• 52:51Speaker 03

  it defies is like in, or maybe not in Montana, but in somewhere, you know, they say where you're going. It's like from the point of kill until where it's processed or from point of kill until you get home or whatever. This is just while in transit from the point of kill. So could you take it to your buddy's house? Down the road, then cut the head off?

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  And, uh, and then take it home?

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Right. No longer from the point of kill.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, like it just has a starting point for where the head can't be detached, but it doesn't have the endpoint at what, when can you detach the head? Or drag it 50 yards. Right, exactly. Point of kill anymore. Like I'm gonna drag it over there, take a long break. Mm hmm. Detach the head.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Steve, a buddy of mine, uh, was also given a warning for not leaving evidence of sex on a, on a doe that he killed.

• 53:38Steven Rinella?

  From years ago.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  Yep. And, uh, and he had a like a full on dispute at this at a hunter's check station on the road. Because he had left the mammarys and cut off the teats. Right. Had fully skinned the deer.

• 53:55Steven Rinella?

  But left the mammary.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  But left the mammary.

• 53:56Steven Rinella?

  Why is that not okay?

• 53:58Speaker 04

  Well, that was the, the game warden was, was in the wrong on this one.

• 54:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  And, uh, my buddy had a biology degree and was like,

• 54:07Steven Rinella?

  Ooh.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  He's like, I'm not accepting a warning. He's like, he's like, you're wrong.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  It's gotta be the first time that's ever happened.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  He's like, this is evidence of sex. He's like, a teat is a feature. Mammary is a gland.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  And it was like, let's, let's, how much time do you have?

• 54:26Steven Rinella?

  Bring it on.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:27Steven Rinella?

  Bring it on. I'm lawyered up.

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• 55:02Steven Rinella?

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• 55:45Steven Rinella?

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• 56:23Steven Rinella?

  Some years ago, Montana got, a friend of mine joked that Montana got rid of all the rules that were the most commonly broken rules. Oh. Where Montana ditched, they loosened want and waste restrictions.

• 56:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:36Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm. Um, so that you could just breast a bird out. So you could just breast out game birds and not have to do the legs. They got rid of want, they got rid of evidence of sex.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Attached.

• 56:50Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I was supportive of the evidence of sex move. Um, I was not supportive of the want and waste loosening.

• 56:59Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, you can leave a bear carcass in the woods now.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Can you really?

• 57:02Steven Rinella?

  All the way.

• 57:03Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:04Steven Rinella?

  The whole damn thing?

• 57:05Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:05Steven Rinella?

  When'd they do that?

• 57:07Speaker 06

  You could just take the hide.

• 57:08Speaker 04

  No way.

• 57:09Steven Rinella?

  No. When did that happen?

• 57:11Speaker 06

  Well, forever there was carcass and hide tags that they'd give you. Now it's just one tag.

• 57:17Steven Rinella?

  You can ditch all the meat?

• 57:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, you don't have.

• 57:19Steven Rinella?

  No, no, no, that's not true.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Well, you don't have to attach a tag to any meat.

• 57:23Steven Rinella?

  I don't, I think there's still want and waste regulations on bears.

• 57:27Speaker 06

  Hold on.

• 57:27Steven Rinella?

  Look that up. Spencer, that's got, that'd be a Spencer special right there. I'm not going to give out wrong information.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  And I really don't pay attention to that because I'm bringing it all out anyway.

• 57:35Speaker 06

  Right. Oh, a hundred percent.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  When we were, we were working with Idaho Fishing Game to get their want and waste laws updated.

• 57:42Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  And I was talking, I was getting all the stakeholders together, right? So I was talking to like Idaho houndsmen and trappers and everybody. And 99% of the phone calls I made, people would be like, wait now, you don't have to take the meat?

• 58:00Steven Rinella?

  Oh, really?

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. It was just like.

• 58:01Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  Seemed like everybody who was really doing it was taking the meat anyway, which was interesting and, and very good to hear.

• 58:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. If I was king of the world, I'd make really strict.

• 58:13Steven Rinella?

  Want waysauce. There's, there's hunting units in Alaska where you're obligated to bring out, um, like moose ribs.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  And liver, right?

• 58:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, on the bone. I don't know about liver currently, but they had some.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  On the bone.

• 58:24Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, they had some where like you couldn't, in certain units, you couldn't bone them. But Alaska does extremes too. Like they have certain units where you have to destroy the trophy value of a moose. You have to draw a special tag to keep the antlers.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:40Steven Rinella?

  If you're hunting it under, under normal like registration rules, you have to destroy. What, what we're hunting, it was super interesting. We're hunting this spring, hunting bears this spring. I found, first time in my life. I found a moose.

• 58:55Steven Rinella?

  I, I found a saw, well, you know, you got a saw. They show you where you got to cut through the, you got to cut through the, the paddle.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 59:01Steven Rinella?

  And I found a sawed through, just one portion. I found the outer, the outer extent. The outer portion of a sawed through half of paddle.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Could you then take that?

• 59:12Steven Rinella?

  I didn't even know. That's a great question. I did not. That's a great question. But I didn't even know I was in one of those units. I'm like, oh my God, I've never even seen one of these. But here's where a guy killed one during a registration hunt and had to destroy the trophy value of the moose. And there it was sawed in half.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 59:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. It was wild.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  And a pain in the butt. I was cutting, um, I made beautiful. One of the things that really excites me about antelope, Brad, is like they're just so easy to deal with.

• 59:38Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 59:38Speaker 04

  And so I bring, bring everything, everything.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Perfect sized animal.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Um, and I was sawing through the spine. And making, uh, like, you know, like actual bone end steak cuts. Made these gorgeous little porter houses this year and super cool.

• 59:55Steven Rinella?

  What, I, I don't know what that is. I know that it's like a good thing to order, but I don't know what, like what the hell is a porter house?

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Well, the porter house is this, the portion where the loin and the tender loin are. You know, the loins on top, tender loins underneath.

• 1:00:08Steven Rinella?

  That's a porter house?

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Yep. Yep. So you have one chunk, one half that's loin, one half.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  No, I just, I just knew that at Outback Steakhouse, they used to call the porter house the Melbourne and it was the biggest steak you could get.

• 1:00:19Steven Rinella?

  Dude, that would have been a great trivia question for your ass, man.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  I don't think so. Who, I don't, who got that?

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  They call it the Melbourne. Well, do we need to go through the ones that are bad?

• 1:00:28Speaker 04

  Anyhow, you made porter houses.

• 1:00:29Steven Rinella?

  I never knew that's what a porter house is.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  And just cutting through, I mean, a dinky little antelope is like, that was a lot of work with a handsaw. Uh huh. Yeah, and then, man, antlers are hard. And cutting through a moose antler would be a deterrent for me.

• 1:00:47Steven Rinella?

  Anna, Anna the Butcher was bragging up to me two days ago. No. Wasn't she bragging up to me? She was bragging up to me two days ago about how fun her bandsaw is. That's the word she used.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

• 1:00:58Steven Rinella?

  She says it's a lot of fun.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  It's a dream.

• 1:01:00Steven Rinella?

  It's fun to have a bandsaw.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  It's a dream. Yeah. Way back when, uh, when I was running around with my old outfitter, uh, we would, in the middle of the day, go down and cut beef in Stevensville at a buddy's butcher shop. And he'd always end the day by going, now you know a job you don't want to do.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  But yeah, running steaks through that bandsaw is, and you get all that meat butter flying out. It's great.

• 1:01:26Speaker 05

  Corey, I was Googling.

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  I'm seeing conflicting, uh, things.

• 1:01:30Steven Rinella?

  No, it wouldn't be conflicting, not if you're looking in the reg.

• 1:01:33Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, that's what I'm trying to look up because I knew it was pretty recent.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  The deer and elk rags, like, I know there's no longer anything that mentions rib meat, but you said, what about neck and shanks?

• 1:01:44Steven Rinella?

  No. My understanding is no ribs, no neck, no shanks. It's, it's, uh, four quarters tenderloin and backstrap, I believe.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  They say tenderloin in there?

• 1:01:54Steven Rinella?

  I believe so.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  That's a funny one.

• 1:01:56Steven Rinella?

  They don't call them tendies?

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  Be like, you gotta take that.

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, just, I have been around some people whose interpretation of a, a front quarter.

• 1:02:08Steven Rinella?

  Yes, the quarter.

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  Is, like, oh, you're, you're leaving, you're basically just taking the bones out. Some fatty bones, some meaty fatty bones.

• 1:02:18Steven Rinella?

  I don't understand what you mean.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  Because they're cutting.

• 1:02:20Steven Rinella?

  Oh, they're cutting the big flap off. Oh, they don't take it down to the rib.

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  No, no, it's just, it's a waste. I mean, it's pure waste. But they're like, this is the letter of the law, and that's all I care about. And I'm like, that's ridiculous.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Game wardens got to know everything about everything. And like, not just at wildlife crime, but like, how it goes if you pull over someone for a DUI.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  There got to be regular little cops on top of it.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  Be tough stuff. And then, and then, you know, someone asks them like, what's that bird over there? It's expected they know that as well.

• 1:02:52Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm. It's a huge skill set, man. I got a lot of respect for that occupation and also it's like a lot of those guys kind of come at it because they got a love of hunting and stuff and then you make this commitment where you're just going to work all through hunting season.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Steven Rinella?

  And then go up to hunters and have people be rude to you. Yeah, be like dismissive and rude. You gotta deal with that all the time. It's a tough job.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  I'm always a pastor and our game wardens and some of them are foolish enough to give me their cell phone numbers. So I'm always calling and texting them and stuff. And I was talking to one last week and he's like, yeah, I confiscated my fifth animal of the season.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  And I didn't really pry, but he said, most of those were all self-turn-ins. People who went, oh my God.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  Shot a buck in the wrong unit. Oh my God. Didn't, you know, stuff like that. So.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  So I've got, I've got some clarification here. The, the Montana annotated code defines for game animals excluding mountain lions.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  So including black bears, all of the four quarters above the hawk, including loin and backstrap are considered suitable for food.

• 1:04:10Steven Rinella?

  Above the hawk. Okay. Then you gotta, you gotta keep the shank.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  Is it saying loin or backstrap strap?

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Including loin and backstrap.

• 1:04:21Steven Rinella?

  So they're calling the T loin, the loin. Cause the backstrap is the loin.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. I regress apologies for saying that. I might've been wrong. Maybe I was thinking mountain lions.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  I didn't mean to interject so forcefully, but I didn't want you, yeah.

• 1:04:37Steven Rinella?

  I didn't want you to catch me flak on the internet.

• 1:04:38Steven Rinella?

  If you see something, say something, dude, you know?

• 1:04:40Speaker 05

  But I like that no one knew the law because it's just implied that everyone is going to, you know, take out, why wouldn't you take all that meat?

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Oh man, like all those bird carcasses too. I'm always making stock and it's not like it's, I had a fella tell me straight faced at the pheasants forever coil forever annual get together and you're at which you assume is just full of bird hunters. Tell me straight faced about shooting sage grouse in Montana. And I was like, oh my gosh, the thighs on sage grouse are something like the best meat ever. And he's like, oh, we didn't take the legs. We didn't have enough room in the cooler. We have a lunch pail? Drink a beer. I don't know how to continue this conversation.

• 1:05:30Steven Rinella?

  I, I, uh, I didn't meet this person, but a friend of, there is a ward, there's a trooper in Alaska, the game ward is state troopers. Like there's a, there's a state, there's a sort of a division of state troopers that handle wildlife, but they're within the state troopers. Someone was telling me there's a, there's a, I know, I remember in the story, I don't remember where they work, but there were a female state trooper who had a policy on the moose wanton waste. She would carry, as explained to me, gallon sized Ziploc's.

• 1:06:06Steven Rinella?

  If she goes up to a moose carcass and she fills that gallon sized Ziploc with good meat off the parts that need to be retained, that's her threshold.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:06:17Steven Rinella?

  That's her personal threshold. When she gets a gallon sized bag of good meat, you screwed up.

• 1:06:24Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:06:25Steven Rinella?

  I like that.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:06:26Speaker 05

  That fills up fast.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Steven Rinella?

  Especially on a moose. Yeah. If you were sloppy and you see her get that bag out on a moose, you're like, oh. Like let's just.

• 1:06:36Speaker 05

  It's not gonna take long.

• 1:06:37Steven Rinella?

  Don't, just don't waste your time. Like I screwed up. Um, Saskatchewan, a, a Canadian wrote in.

• 1:06:46Steven Rinella?

  They kind of chastise us.

• 1:06:48Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:06:49Steven Rinella?

  Since you have been targeting Canadian users with your on X ads, I figured perhaps you'd be interested to learn something about the challenges we have here.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  All high and mighty, sitting way up north in the Rockies.

• 1:07:01Steven Rinella?

  Fair.

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  Looking down on us.

• 1:07:04Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna, I want to read this letter, but I want to read this letter as a way, it's not going to deliver to her what she wants.

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, does Saskatchewan now have on X?

• 1:07:12Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:07:13Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Speaker 04

  I would think they do.

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  I thought they were saying you target them with your.

• 1:07:16Steven Rinella?

  No, she's saying that, that if you're in Canada, you get delivered, I don't know, I don't know, somehow, I don't know. There, there, she's getting advertised, she's, she just wants some Canadian coverage, that's all.

• 1:07:27Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:07:29Steven Rinella?

  But she has the wrong idea about what goes on down here. She's writing in about this. In Saskatchewan, they have a fledgling elk herd and was, they, they don't have a well-established widespread elk herd in Saskatchewan. Um,

• 1:07:44Steven Rinella?

  it's bull only.

• 1:07:47Steven Rinella?

  There are some agricultural producers who are kind of pissed at the elk. So they're opening up a cow season. A seven day cow season. Since they don't do draws, it just becomes a general seven day cow season in some of these areas. She is saying this has nothing to do with health of the elk herd, carrying capacity of the landscape, distribution of elk. This is simply a small number of landowners being mad about elk grazing on their property. And she goes on to say, we often look down enviously at how wildlife is managed in the USA.

• 1:08:33Steven Rinella?

  And I just want to say, Catlin, buddy. The city, the city on a hill we are not. You did not, Canada did not invent. Depredation. Did not, yeah, can't, Canada did not invent the overpopulated as defined by a handful of agricultural producers. Yeah. That is a, I would have said, boy, I sure wish I was, you know, or not, I don't wish that. I sure like it that Canadians don't do that, but it sounds like we both have developed the same habits.

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  OnX announced in October 2024 that they are now available in Canada. And they show all government lands. Uh, they also show private lands, but not private land ownership. But good for Canadians. I was always under the impression they didn't have OnX up there.

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  They caught up with us.

• 1:09:21Steven Rinella?

  That's all you got? Like for good for Canadians?

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  I'm happy for them. My, my hunting life would be so different without OnX. And I can't, you know, fathom not having OnX until a year ago.

• 1:09:33Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  It'd be way different.

• 1:09:35Steven Rinella?

  It would be different. You want to know how different? Can I tell you a little something?

• 1:09:41Steven Rinella?

  This happened to me last night. You think you're gonna think I'm making this up. Hmm. On my bookshelves in my office at home, I still have all my Delorme Gazitiers. Yeah. I mean, I had, my Delorme Gazitier collection was as wide as this laptop. Yeah. I pulled out my old, old, for nostalgic purposes, I pulled out my old, old Montana one from like the late nineties. I pulled that out. Cause I used to like mark my, I used to drop my pins, so to speak, by like drawing on that Gazitier. I pulled that out to put in my like keep like with my dad's war records and stuff like that.

• 1:10:26Steven Rinella?

  And took those and put them in a trash can. And it felt naughty. Yeah. That does feel naughty. But I'm like, but what are you gonna do with them? Yeah. You're not like, I haven't touched one of those things. I was like, oh, you can't do that. Like, what are you supposed to do? Like, storm? Oh, yeah. Then you die. It's like burning wood. That's what, yeah. Cal, Cal. I don't think, I don't think you recycle. Those are full of staples and. Cal would knock on your door. I don't think you recycle those.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  I think you can.

• 1:10:53Steven Rinella?

  It's got a glossy cover and metal staples.

• 1:10:56Speaker 04

  Well, inside the, not every, oh, do you have the fancy ones with the binder and?

• 1:11:00Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  The Nat Geo ones that got.

• 1:11:02Steven Rinella?

  I remember them falling apart. Whatever. I'll put it out.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  I do.

• 1:11:06Steven Rinella?

  It's not so much where I put them exactly. Yeah. Instead, I got rid of them. But then here's the thing, if you save them, you're gonna die and the first thing your kids are gonna do is throw them away. That's the right way to look at that.

• 1:11:19Speaker 04

  I, I had an interesting phone call over the weekend from a, a rancher. And, you know, a lot of folks are reaching out, uh, with the announcement of the, the incoming CEO stuff. And so I don't want to violate any trust here, but I, I got a heads up and said, and like, there was a recent landowner meeting with Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks.

• 1:11:39Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  On, uh, and you, and you should be interested to know that there's a renewed push largely by, and he was in this meeting by folks who, uh, you would call recreational. Ranch, uh.

• 1:11:53Steven Rinella?

  Amendmentary ranchers.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Um, to increase the number of landowner.

• 1:11:59Steven Rinella?

  Of course.

• 1:12:00Speaker 04

  Bull elk tags.

• 1:12:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  For the purposes of reducing, uh, the elk herds.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  And I was thinking about that, you know, and I was doing a lot of driving over the weekend and it kind of turns it ties into the Saskatchewan deal.

• 1:12:16Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  But you know how cult leaders eventually get to the point where they're like,

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  I had a vision, a dream.

• 1:12:26Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:27Speaker 04

  And I'm gonna do everyone the favor of taking on the sexual burden.

• 1:12:32Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  So, nobody else.

• 1:12:36Steven Rinella?

  So, you other men don't need to worry about it.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  Exactly. Exactly. Nobody else has sex with the women.

• 1:12:42Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  Except for me.

• 1:12:43Steven Rinella?

  I'll handle it.

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:12:44Steven Rinella?

  Much as I don't like to.

• 1:12:46Speaker 04

  So, you don't, you no longer burden with what comes with that.

• 1:12:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  And I'm like.

• 1:12:52Steven Rinella?

  Cause I alone can handle that. Heavy lies the crown.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  Exactly. And it's like, should that be the tactic here is like, thank you so much for taking on the burden of killing the bull elk.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Uh, so the rest of us don't have to worry about that.

• 1:13:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. You're like, what I like to have is I like to have hundreds of elk move on to my place. I don't want anyone to hunt them because it might scare them away. Mm hmm. But it does cause a lot of damage. So, I would like to be able to kill a huge bull.

• 1:13:25Steven Rinella?

  He seems to be eating a lot.

• 1:13:29Steven Rinella?

  Mating all those cows. Whenever I look out there, there he is eating.

• 1:13:35Steven Rinella?

  I mean, he's bigger. He probably eats more. I just want to get the big one that eats the most. His, his hooves are bigger. Yeah. He's like, he tramples. Stuff.

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, they will do claws.

• 1:13:45Steven Rinella?

  You know. Horns get tangled in barbed wire. All right, Cal, give us, tell us a little bit about your, uh, your grizzly hunt.

• 1:13:53Speaker 04

  Boy, there is so much to tell. It was an amazing hunt. I, I had been out. On the Alaskan Peninsula, you know, pretty darned close to where we were this time in 2011 as a Packer. And that was a wild experience. Uh, and we killed a giant bear that trip. We killed two, killed two out of three on that season.

• 1:14:16Steven Rinella?

  Roughly what year was that?

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  2011.

• 1:14:19Steven Rinella?

  Did you already say that?

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:14:20Steven Rinella?

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  So, I mean, a long, long time ago now, right? Um, but it was an extremely memorable experience. Uh, because all the things that people talk about on, on the peninsula, like crazy severe weather and, and very challenging and, and some, some suffering, mostly mental.

• 1:14:41Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  Um, and we killed this giant brown bear. And it is one of those things that I referenced because it's like we killed a, um, what I would call like, uh, high school athlete, like senior high school athlete type of, it's mature, but it's just getting started.

• 1:15:07Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 1:15:07Speaker 04

  Grizzly bear. And then we killed the like old NFL pro going downhill fast. Grizzly bear. Yeah, trying to get one more contract. And the skull in comparison, right, is, is like, oh, species, subspecies.

• 1:15:28Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  Like, like it is just a dinosaur thing. And that was just very, very impressive to me. And then also the, the physicality that it takes to move through that landscape fast with the muskeg and the brush and, um, and then carry out, you know, what is almost always a big wet.

• 1:15:50Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:51Speaker 04

  Hide is hard, really hard.

• 1:15:54Steven Rinella?

  Um. You know, in Duncan Gilchrist's book, All About Bears.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:59Steven Rinella?

  It's a true classic. He mentioned some bears being so big. Have you ever seen this? Some bears being so big that they cut them at the waist and haul it out in two pieces?

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:16:09Steven Rinella?

  Wouldn't you feel weird doing that?

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Very weird.

• 1:16:11Steven Rinella?

  Have you seen that?

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  I've never seen it, but it's always talked about.

• 1:16:15Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  I feel like we've seen Clay Newcomb maybe do that.

• 1:16:17Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I would feel very weird. Where?

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Steven Rinella?

  The hell's he at that he needs to do that?

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  I don't know. Uh, that's, that sounded familiar to me that I've.

• 1:16:24Steven Rinella?

  If he's doing it, he's just doing it to be dramatic.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  It's a.

• 1:16:27Steven Rinella?

  It's like when he shoots. So I can get it on the mule.

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  It shouldn't be a big deal. Because a taxidermist is going to be sewing that thing up.

• 1:16:37Steven Rinella?

  Every.

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  No matter what you do with it.

• 1:16:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  But at the same time, it's a really big deal.

• 1:16:43Steven Rinella?

  I've thought of it. If I needed to do it, I would have. It would just feel very like, really?

• 1:16:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:48Steven Rinella?

  You're gonna cut it in half?

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. And the conditions up there are like there it's, there's always moisture, even on bluebird days and the bluebird days may not even come during that season.

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• 1:17:30Steven Rinella?

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• 1:18:14Steven Rinella?

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• 1:18:51Steven Rinella?

  What's one of those hides weigh?

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  God, what was the kind of going estimate is like you're you're gonna be in like with the skull and the hide. And you know, it's still got fat on and stuff because you're not fleshing it at the scene of the.

• 1:19:06Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, paws intact.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  Yep, but it's gonna be somewhere in that hundred and fifty pound.

• 1:19:10Steven Rinella?

  Good God.

• 1:19:12Speaker 04

  Range and then.

• 1:19:13Steven Rinella?

  Through all that brush and everything.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then it can it can definitely go heavier.

• 1:19:17Steven Rinella?

  Huh.

• 1:19:18Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:19:19Steven Rinella?

  Hence the cutting it in half.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, um, so that was in mind. I it's a very expensive trip. So I was like, well, one day I'll get back here, but I never thought I'd get back there to actually hunt. Um, you know, I figured I want to go be a packer again or guide or something and and so. Uh, yeah, we we got to do this trip, which was crazy, huge opportunity. Once in a lifetime trip and I was very like, I just really wanted to maximize it. And the the two guides, we had two guides instead of a guide and a packer. The um, because it's a new area for for this outfit.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  And um, they wanted to get people more experience on the ground. So we had had two guides and and. You know, we just kind of had a a talk of like, hey, I know um, oftentimes people aren't like physically or mentally prepared for what this trip can be. Like, trust, trust me, like my crew, like, we're ready to go. We can suffer. We got the mindset to be here and if we got to jog across muskeg and swamp and through brush and stuff to get it done, we can do it. And um, you know, it's kind of like you build up that trust with your brand new friends for the week, right? Is is a big part of the guiding game.

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  And um, and I really wanted, I was like, I want a respectable bear with my bow first and foremost. Um, and if I got to get one with a rifle. I want that big giant bear. If they're around.

• 1:21:02Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 1:21:02Speaker 04

  And, and we got in there two days early. Which, um, they really encourage, right? Because the travel, you never know when a travel day. You're actually going to be able to fly.

• 1:21:14Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like it's two days early or potentially a week late.

• 1:21:17Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:21:18Steven Rinella?

  Cause the storm comes in.

• 1:21:19Speaker 04

  Yep, and you, the, the spots out there, like, it's, it's pretty rare to have like, an area unless you're right on the beach at low tide where you can get a, a bigger plane in. So it's all super cub, which, you know, they're just limited in what they can carry and, and wind and conditions and stuff like that. So, um,

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  everything was awesome. We came in on a beautiful bluebird day. It, uh, I'm making the story way longer. We got, got to see all the weather and, and suffer for a few days and, and saw some big giant bears. Uh, I think three ultimately. Um, one was in like that, like, super big giant bear category. And then two were in like the big giant bear category.

• 1:22:07Steven Rinella?

  But one was an outgoing NFL guy.

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yep. Yep. Hall of Famer. Yeah. And we, I mean, we got to see him at, uh, spotted him opening morning of the hunt. So the third day that we're there, um, it's just barely getting light. I look across one of the rivers. And here's this bear like curled up in a bed, but looking our direction.

• 1:22:33Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  And you just see like the big dish face kind of lion mane from that profile shot or not profile head on shot. Um, and I was like, well, look at that bear. And everybody got real excited. It was like, well, we gotta make a decision quick, you know? And then ultimately went in there. The bear had gone into the brush already. Seeing them one is one thing catching up with them's another thing like you can't really catch up to a bear that's on a destination type walk.

• 1:23:04Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and you're on coastal plain, you're like, like river estuaries coming out through Willow Flats and Alder Flats.

• 1:23:11Speaker 04

  Yep, yeah, and the stuff that you think is like, looks like a hayfield is a marsh.

• 1:23:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, the kind of place where you're flying over like, I'm gonna walk over there, I'm gonna walk over there, I'm gonna walk over there and you land, you're like, man, you're walking anywhere.

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Steven Rinella?

  You're not walking anywhere.

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I had told you this, but like, one of the most fun things is it's ultra brushy for the bears too, so they're constantly standing up on their hind feet and looking around. And I'm like, prairie dogs and brown bears, so I'm like, who would have thought? Who would have thought the similarities? Cause they're just constantly being like, well, I better get a better look.

• 1:23:48Speaker 04

  And so it's just like dead flat, you know, is what the iron leaf says. And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh.

• 1:23:56Steven Rinella?

  He's standing there.

• 1:23:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, a bear's standing there, and then it drops on all fours and it's just totally gone.

• 1:24:00Steven Rinella?

  Ceases to exist.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, and they're following all these little creeks, side channels that have salmon still spawning up in them, so. Uh, permanent snow fields behind a specific ocean out in front of us, like, I mean, it's amazing. It's amazing.

• 1:24:16Steven Rinella?

  Ducks everywhere?

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  Man, I was thinking about how the duck hunting was going here because there were so many mallards, greenheads. Still out there on the peninsula.

• 1:24:27Steven Rinella?

  You know what the problem is, though?

• 1:24:29Speaker 04

  Pacific Flyway?

• 1:24:30Steven Rinella?

  They're eating salmon eggs.

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I had no idea. Oh, dude, it's like eating a sea monster, man.

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  But I was just like, boy, there's a lot of green. Like full plumage mallards here. Which means like the folks in the Pacific Flyway probably aren't shooting a bunch of mallards right now, was my thought.

• 1:24:51Speaker 05

  Are the salmon eggs like their diet or like a part of their diet up there?

• 1:24:55Steven Rinella?

  Up in that stuff, man, I'm not saying all, but even geese too, they eat a lot of, up there, they eat a lot of invertebrates and they eat a lot of washed out salmon eggs. So you'll get their crop will have salmon eggs in it.

• 1:25:06Speaker 05

  They just taste like a mergan.

• 1:25:08Steven Rinella?

  It's rugged, it's rugged. I, I got a buddy that grew up in southeast Alaska and he said, you know, they tried, tried, eventually just, he said, you just don't. Eventually, like, you just didn't look at the ducks as like a game bird. Because you just couldn't. Get through them. Yeah. And, and I've had the same thing every time you eat one of those saltwater estuary in that area, salmon stream ducks. It's like when you go there in September and they're all hanging out the mouth of the stream.

• 1:25:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:38Steven Rinella?

  They're, they're not there on accident.

• 1:25:42Speaker 05

  I'm surprised that works its way out of their system by the time they get to us. If it's like that pungent.

• 1:25:47Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I think they burned through it quick. I don't know.

• 1:25:51Steven Rinella?

  Anyhow, ducks, you saw them.

• 1:25:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Steven Rinella?

  Check.

• 1:25:54Speaker 04

  And there were wolves on the airstrip when we flew in.

• 1:25:57Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 1:25:58Speaker 04

  Which I immediately was like, well, we're not going to shoot a wolf this trip. I would have been my percentage wise, I'm like, if they weren't.

• 1:26:07Steven Rinella?

  That was my opportunity. I couldn't take it.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:26:12Speaker 04

  And we didn't see any wolves. Uh, we did a lot of wolf howling.

• 1:26:15Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 1:26:16Speaker 04

  After, uh, after we got, got the bear, but, um, got one really legit, perfect stock in with the bow on a big sow. And it was one of those things where you're like, oh, that's probably a sow. And, but it's a mature bear, no cubs. We got to watch her for miles. And eventually she came like right into the airstrip and decided to take a nap.

• 1:26:44Steven Rinella?

  Is there such thing as WNFL?

• 1:26:48Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  Well, you could say like a women's rugby player.

• 1:26:51Steven Rinella?

  There you go.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:52Steven Rinella?

  Good job.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, serious athletes. And

• 1:26:59Speaker 04

  they're like, man, that's not a bear. I'd tell you to kill on day two or three. I can't remember what it was. But I was just like, guys, this is uh, as close to a bird in the hand situation. And, and I got, I have a bow. Like I wanna, we gotta go try. And so that would just worked out magically. Um, that sow, cause it's like the myth of the dry sow. You never know if they are, but this looked like an old bear.

• 1:27:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:27Speaker 04

  Um, and she had no cubs. So math is kinda like, she's too old to just be a bad mom, probably.

• 1:27:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  And lose the cubs. Um, and.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  It's not like kicking cub out season type of thing. So anyway, pretty sure it was a dry sow. And very sure it was an older bear. And then when we got down there, got off the the glass and knob. Um, she started working her way uh towards us into the wind. And we and that was one of the funny things is like the wind was absolutely dead wrong from the glass and knob. But uh, we had put ribbons out. On the landing strips, so you could see, so the pilots could see.

• 1:28:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Speaker 04

  The wind direction and people on the ground could call wind. For the guys flying the the super Cubs. So you'd glass down at the ribbons and you're like, well. It's doing that down there, which was awesome.

• 1:28:25Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  Um, but man, yeah, we got on the ground and I'm I'm looking through this. Clump of willow out in this like nice kinda hummock of of pretty hard tundra. And I'm like, oh, she's coming right, right to us. And part of me thinks that she caught a whiff of us. And was kinda curious.

• 1:28:45Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:28:47Speaker 04

  Um. Because she like, you know, you're like, well, they didn't read the script. This one like read the script and was like, oh, I'm supposed to. Arbitrarily pick this bush where three dudes are hiding and and go walk past it.

• 1:29:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:01Speaker 04

  And I'm like, oh, holy. And they walk so fast. It's deceiving, right? I'm like, oh, my God, this is really happening. So I range something I jam my binoculars back in my my chest back. I kinda look over my shoulder. And I look and this bear is, I'm like, she's gonna walk. At 20 yards, 25 at the the furthest. Perfectly broadside. And about the time I think that she just stands straight up and looks over the top of the bush at us.

• 1:29:35Speaker 04

  And and then drops down and spins and and walks out of there.

• 1:29:38Steven Rinella?

  Oh, man.

• 1:29:39Speaker 04

  And I was, I had enough time to be like, well, I don't really want to shoot her in the chest. Because I want lungs, just kind of playing the math game and I'm just like not comfortable with like where that heart is right there.

• 1:29:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:58Speaker 04

  Um, and I.

• 1:30:00Steven Rinella?

  Is that not a good shot for archery?

• 1:30:02Speaker 04

  I don't think it's a good shot. Like, there's a lot of cavity there that I make.

• 1:30:06Steven Rinella?

  Standing up. I just feel like everything's on full display, man.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:30:10Steven Rinella?

  And you're gonna have good blood because the hole's gonna be in the bottom.

• 1:30:12Speaker 04

  The hole's in the bottom.

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  And they make a lot of 3D targets.

• 1:30:15Speaker 04

  They make all the 3D targets. Yeah, because that that appeals to a certain human. And here's something fun. I never hit those.

• 1:30:22Speaker 05

  That's what made that decision for you then.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  The Shields Archery University in South Dakota this year.

• 1:30:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 04

  We had that stupid target. I didn't hit it. I mean, I hit it. I just didn't hit it where I was supposed to. So anyway.

• 1:30:33Steven Rinella?

  Got it, got it.

• 1:30:34Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:30:34Steven Rinella?

  Wasn't what you were after.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  But it was enough of a, like, she stood up and I looked at her and you could just see the scars on her face.

• 1:30:41Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  And that was just an amazing thing. And she turns around and everybody's like, whoa. Whoa, that was a hell of an experience. And she gets out there to 60 yards and I'm like trying to like mouth squeal at her like.

• 1:30:57Steven Rinella?

  Trying to make kissy face at her.

• 1:30:59Speaker 04

  And trying to like get her to stop. And, um,

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  she stops at 60 and like looks back at us and just does this full mouth sleepy ass yawn. Tongue all the way out.

• 1:31:13Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:31:14Speaker 04

  And then turns and just cruises on. I was like, well, it wasn't a heart thumping moment for her. Obviously. So, uh, but that was just super cool. She didn't think it was super cool to see you guys? Yeah. Yeah. Like her, her pulse didn't quicken. She was just like sit, stood up, looked over the top. So that was cool. And then, um, yeah, we just got like pummeled with rain and wind and and we were underneath the tarp for like 13 hours and right at dark.

• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  The it like light lightens up a little bit. So it's like misty rain instead of like full on nasty rain. Birds start blowing up in the side channel where we had seen the big bear. Opening morning.

• 1:31:57Steven Rinella?

  And that tells you one stern in there.

• 1:31:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Yep. Like so the seagulls start.

• 1:32:01Steven Rinella?

  Is it the bears spooking the gulls or the gulls follow the bear?

• 1:32:05Speaker 04

  I think it's the gulls are. Cause at this point. You could tell from all the salmon carcasses. They're not eating fish. They're eating the brain and they're ripping out the.

• 1:32:15Steven Rinella?

  Oh, so the birds hang out to get the.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  The the all the eggs that are flying around and.

• 1:32:21Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got you.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  When you're walking on those streams, you know, it just smells. Like ultra deaf rancid. And there's eggs everywhere and.

• 1:32:28Steven Rinella?

  I find that's a very hard smell to be around for days on.

• 1:32:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:32Steven Rinella?

  They just go for the brain?

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  And so early in the season, when the fish start coming in, they'll eat the whole fish. And then as. The land of plenty.

• 1:32:41Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:32:42Speaker 04

  Occurs. They're like laying on the bank, like snagging the ones that they want as they come by. And they're they're searching out these zones. We saw some amazing bear fishing activity, but they're searching out these zones where it's like. The easiest possible thing like the side channels where the fish are going through skinny water and.

• 1:33:04Steven Rinella?

  And I I've seen black bears duke it out. Over who gets to. Be in the sweet spot. Hmm. And a line form. A line form where like you come out. They take their turn. The big mean one gets what it's after and then the next guy runs out to try to get a minute in the spot. Yeah. Uh.

• 1:33:24Speaker 04

  Um. And you know, I was like, well, this isn't a good idea. Because we're going to be in a situation where we don't like get to judge. Like it's it's gonna be really quick if it happens. It's it's getting dark. It's foggy. Um, I grabbed the rifle. And we trucked out out there. Because you also just want to move and do something at the end of 13 hours in the rain underneath the tarp, right?

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  And everybody did. So we go out there, stand on this gravel bar. It's like a 15 minute walk from camp. And we're looking and immediately you're like, yeah, we're not going to be able to see anything. Like 200 yards, it's like foggy and stuff in that side channel. And again, like I want to like, if I'm going to shoot it with a rifle, I want it to be a big ass bear. And I'm like, we can do a little wrap up scene. And I'm like, alright, this, and then let's go, go back to the shack. And we take like five steps and then all this crashing and water splashing. And here comes this cow moose charging across the river right in front of us, stops at 40 yards. She's huffing and puffing and blowing, her eyeballs are crazy.

• 1:34:38Speaker 04

  And uh, her head's on a swivel and she sees us and she panicked and then trucks back across the river. And the guys were like, she's getting chased by a bear. Like, ah, yeah, maybe. And so I kind of recount that to Dirt Meth, Garrett Smith's around the camp. I'm like, hey, this is what happened and now we're, now we're really heading back.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  And then splashing and crashing and all, and I look and here comes this brown bear trucking across the river. And so at this point, I got a round in the chamber and uh, both guides are there too, right? Like there's a 375 here and a 375 on both of my shoulders. Garrett's behind us. The bear comes ripping across the river, same dear deal, crashing and water flying. And it hits that spot where the cow moose was standing. And at this point, uh, Kyle on my right hand side is going, it's your call, it's your call, it's your call. And I'm like, okay.

• 1:35:44Speaker 04

  Like this isn't like the bear I want with, with a rifle.

• 1:35:50Speaker 04

  Um, and I'm like, I'm ready in case things get crazy serious.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:56Speaker 04

  Um, but I mean, it is realistically, it's plenty serious. It's 40 yards, like they can move fast, you know? And that bear kind of like drops its shoulder and turns its head. And uh, Brando on my left goes, you better shoot that big bear.

• 1:36:13Speaker 04

  And you know, I'm like.

• 1:36:17Speaker 04

  Gah! And I shoot. And the bear dives into the brush. Kyle shoots one more time. Um. And now, I'm like, okay, now we got a situation on our hands. Like, I, I know I thumped this bear. I'm pretty sure Kyle got another shot in there too. But it's in this like, now it's dark. And it is in this just dripping wet. Alder.

• 1:36:47Steven Rinella?

  Hellhole.

• 1:36:48Speaker 04

  Hellhole. But we heard a death moan right then too.

• 1:36:51Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  But I mean, it's fifteen, twenty yards type of distance. And your headlamp is very necessary, but at the same time, it's just like reflecting light back at you.

• 1:37:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 04

  So you're kind of like doing this like, thing.

• 1:37:04Steven Rinella?

  Cause all that moisture, yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, and you got your guns out, right? And it is like, it's foggy and crappy and the whole thing. And I'm like, okay, guys, let's like. Got guns, it's dark, got a bear in here. Like, what's our plan? And we start easing into this thing and blood trailing. And I can tell Garrett Smith's having no fun at all. Um.

• 1:37:30Steven Rinella?

  That made Dirt nervous?

• 1:37:31Speaker 04

  He told me, he, he goes, Cal. I was scared.

• 1:37:36Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:37:37Speaker 04

  And I was, it's like, okay, good to know. Um, and. And then, yeah, here's this bear. Piled up in there.

• 1:37:47Steven Rinella?

  Dead or dead.

• 1:37:47Speaker 04

  And dead, dead, yeah, which was, which was great. Um.

• 1:37:53Speaker 04

  But it was, you know, it, it like, it's in a, just a total willow hole. And, uh, then you're thinking about all the other bears around because we'd seen so many bears.

• 1:38:05Speaker 04

  That.

• 1:38:06Steven Rinella?

  How many?

• 1:38:07Speaker 04

  It's not like this is the one. Well, that day that we flew in was the first break in the weather in like the entire peninsula season, including moose. And, you know, I had friends up there too, like Adam and Brenda Weatherby were up there and they had a horrific time weather wise. For moose season, which just ended and then brown bear season starts and there's a little gap in between. Um, and so this was like the first nice day and we probably saw thirty bears.

• 1:38:34Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:35Speaker 04

  Um, and I would say probably like seventeen ish unique bears like there were a lot of cow, uh, sows and cubs running around that day, but like. You very fast got the impression like, oh my God, this is a high density bear situation. Right? Cause they're not spread out because the, um, the salmon spawning activity happens like in a relatively small area.

• 1:38:59Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:59Speaker 04

  And the rivers and the creeks really aren't that long.

• 1:39:02Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:03Speaker 04

  Right? It's like, you can see the.

• 1:39:06Speaker 04

  Glacial snow situation up here and the Pacific's right here. It's like you can hike to the head, the very head water in a hard day, you know, from, from the ocean. So it's a pretty concentrated situation.

• 1:39:21Steven Rinella?

  Compressed.

• 1:39:21Speaker 04

  Yep. Yep. So, um, you know, I, I really think. Safety wise, like. Totally made the right call. Uh, you don't get that much time to decide and things can change right away, but. Uh, as I, I, I said, I was like, there's no such thing as almost getting charged. So I don't want anybody saying, we almost got charged. It's like you almost, you do or you don't. That's, that's all, that's all there is to it.

• 1:39:51Steven Rinella?

  Unless you get to interview the bear.

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  Unless you can interview the bear and he was like, oh, I was coming after your ass.

• 1:39:56Steven Rinella?

  Changed my mind at the last minute. Almost charged you.

• 1:39:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um.

• 1:40:03Speaker 04

  It, it, but it's not like that big giant bear that was like the ultimate goal or, or the bear with the bow. But it is a totally badass animal. Um. And, and very, very appreciative of the experience and, and everything and, um. And I did some cooking in camp for those guys. And, um, you know, big stigma around those bears. The bit, I thought the meat was very good. The context really does matter. Like meat in camp. When everybody is just coated in grizzly bear fat that smells like fish.

• 1:40:43Speaker 04

  And then the, the cleaner outside of you and the human stank and the bear stank is decaying fish.

• 1:40:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:52Speaker 04

  And just general decay.

• 1:40:53Steven Rinella?

  It's called a miasma.

• 1:40:56Speaker 04

  Kind of.

• 1:40:56Steven Rinella?

  Miasma.

• 1:40:57Speaker 04

  Kind of taints your taste buds.

• 1:40:59Steven Rinella?

  Sure. Everything tastes like rotten fish.

• 1:41:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, but.

• 1:41:02Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  But I, I think.

• 1:41:04Steven Rinella?

  You lick your lips.

• 1:41:05Speaker 04

  I think the bear is good. The bear is good. Um, and the, I cleaned up all that meat when I got it home.

• 1:41:11Steven Rinella?

  Do you, can you, can you give me a chunk of the meat?

• 1:41:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got, um, a brisket and front shoulder and a hind quarter. And then we left, um.

• 1:41:21Speaker 05

  And a tongue.

• 1:41:22Speaker 04

  And a tongue. Yeah.

• 1:41:24Steven Rinella?

  I'll pass on that. I just want the meat. I just want to try the meat.

• 1:41:26Speaker 04

  It's a different type of tongue too. You can imagine. It's like, uh, it's like a big dog tongue.

• 1:41:31Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:31Speaker 04

  Like a border collie tongue.

• 1:41:33Steven Rinella?

  Not opposed to it, but I just want.

• 1:41:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yep. Um.

• 1:41:37Speaker 05

  You don't want to over ask. Take his one tongue.

• 1:41:39Steven Rinella?

  No, I just want a nice little, I want like, like a, just, I, I want to have the, the fishy bear.

• 1:41:44Speaker 05

  Representative.

• 1:41:45Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I want to have the like fall fish bear, brown bear chunk of meat. Not, not an oddball cut.

• 1:41:51Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:41:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:52Steven Rinella?

  I don't want like the liver.

• 1:41:53Speaker 04

  I will tell you that the difference between the, the spring bears, the, the two that I've been around. For the hiding and fleshing.

• 1:42:02Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  Um, and this fall bear is like, it would have taken like some fortitude. To be like, okay, I'm going to cut off some big chunks of meat off this spring bear. And cook it and eat it. Because it's a totally different animal. Like what I saw in on that spring hunt is like they're they're emaciated. That fat is not white. It's like yellow and kinda hard. Um, and they and the smell is way, way more just generally rancid.

• 1:42:36Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:36Speaker 04

  It's like an ultra concentrated rotten fish. And then the the freshness like immediately like you're looking at the fat. You're like, oh, that's beautiful.

• 1:42:46Steven Rinella?

  Huh.

• 1:42:46Speaker 04

  You look the meat and you're like, the meat is beautiful. Uh, and then you just kinda have like this different smell to deal with.

• 1:42:54Steven Rinella?

  Yo.

• 1:42:54Speaker 04

  Um, I I made, uh, I, you know, it's like that guard piece of meat. But I'm sure it has a real name on the front shoulder. That, you know, I typically like just throw in the grind pile. When I was cleaning that up back here, I just took that and sliced it. Real thin and made a stir fry.

• 1:43:12Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  And I thought it was like fantastic.

• 1:43:14Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 1:43:14Speaker 04

  I did not put fish sauce in my in my stir fry. As just kinda like, uh, you know, just a preemptive step. But I thought, yeah, fantastic. And I I fed it to folks at the at the BHA office. And I will tell you, like, people were like, oh, that's great. And then some people were like, I would like the stir fry sauce recipe.

• 1:43:39Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 1:43:40Speaker 04

  Not the grizzly bear recipe.

• 1:43:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got you.

• 1:43:43Speaker 04

  So, yeah. Hell of a trip. Hell of a trip.

• 1:43:47Steven Rinella?

  Kinda jealous of that.

• 1:43:48Speaker 04

  You should be. You should be. Um, I I mean, but it is definitely just not. Um, Jason Rarick was on that trip, right? So he doesn't do a lot of those types of adventures.

• 1:43:59Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Speaker 04

  And he and I are gonna do a little recap podcast on that cuz I really want his two cents.

• 1:44:03Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:44:04Speaker 04

  Is, you know, it's just like not a recreational spot, right? Like even the Alaska natives and the uh, Alaskans, they don't like go out there just to hang out. It's like a purpose driven destination.

• 1:44:20Steven Rinella?

  Yo.

• 1:44:20Speaker 04

  You know, so it it like, it's a harsh environment.

• 1:44:25Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:44:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:44:27Steven Rinella?

  Thanks for the report.

• 1:44:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, turned out longer than I thought it'd be, but.

• 1:44:30Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:44:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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• 1:45:00Steven Rinella?

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• 1:46:23Steven Rinella?

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• 1:46:29Steven Rinella?

  I was going to tell you guys about... Did I, did I, were we recording when I teased the Tony Peterson whitetail deer thing?

• 1:46:35Speaker 03

  No, but you asked us to ask you about it.

• 1:46:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh, can you ask me?

• 1:46:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, what was the thing you said about, you were going to say earlier about Tony Peterson, but then didn't say? Said, ask me about Tony. What's Tony good at? What's he bad at? What does he not care about?

• 1:46:50Steven Rinella?

  Well, no, I've hunted whitetails with Tony Peterson two times now. Okay, I hunted, um,

• 1:46:58Steven Rinella?

  public ground in Oklahoma with Tony Peterson, and I hunted private ground in Nebraska with Tony Peterson. Tony Peterson has, um, an amazing ability to

• 1:47:14Steven Rinella?

  determine where a buck is gonna step.

• 1:47:17Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:47:19Steven Rinella?

  Meaning, the kind of what I picked up from him, the difference from when I was a kid bow hunting whitetails in Michigan before I moved away. You would, uh, like, we would optimize growing up, you would optimize for like, where would I be to see a lot of deer activity? Cause if I'm seeing a lot of deer activity, then it seems to me like there's a greater chance

• 1:47:39Steven Rinella?

  that, um, one will come by, right? That dude sets up

• 1:47:47Steven Rinella?

  to have with one objective in mind. It's where will you have a buck 20 yards away broadside? Nothing else matters.

• 1:48:00Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:48:01Steven Rinella?

  He will set you up where you can't see a patch of ground bigger than that musk ox hide.

• 1:48:09Steven Rinella?

  But he is like, a buck will come and stand in front of that musk ox hide.

• 1:48:16Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:18Steven Rinella?

  And they do, and they do. It's like, he has got a phenomenal sense of like,

• 1:48:25Steven Rinella?

  You know, wind, whatever, how they're gonna travel, when they're gonna travel, where they're gonna come from, they're gonna come from the right, whatever, just it's like, it's kinda uncanny.

• 1:48:36Steven Rinella?

  Just, and it's, it's like, it's myopic, you know? It's where, where, where will he be 20 yards away broadside?

• 1:48:43Speaker 05

  My elevator pitch for Tony, I, I've worked with dozens of like, professional, really good whitetail hunters, I've interviewed hundreds of them from working at outdoor magazines and, and hosting Wire to Hunt, Rott Fresh. Tony is the best public land bow hunter I've ever met.

• 1:48:59Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:48:59Speaker 05

  I, I just like, don't think there's many people better than him on the continent. He, it's like special, what he can do when, you know, starting at e-scouting and then showing up there in person and just killing a buck.

• 1:49:11Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 1:49:12Speaker 05

  And very few people can do it like him.

• 1:49:14Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's, I kinda like, I start to kinda see, like, I, I kinda get what he's looking at. We're hunting with my neighbor, and my neighbor even said to me after, he goes, man, um, what do you like, what, what would we have done? What do you think would have happened with, what would we have done? I said, I don't know, man, we would, like, I don't know, hunted scrapes.

• 1:49:37Steven Rinella?

  Whatever, like, oh, there's a lot of tracks here.

• 1:49:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:49:40Steven Rinella?

  Or probably would have been like, yeah, sit here because you can see what's going on, whatever, it's just, it's funny, he just like, doesn't care about anything other than, like, where is the spot where the buck? And then the, the other thing he's just dogmatic about is, um, he's got his north wind spots, his south wind spots, his east wind spots, his west wind spots, his southeast wind spots, and there's, and that, that is, is determinative.

• 1:50:15Steven Rinella?

  Like, there is no, you, there's no room in his mind for like, wishful thinking.

• 1:50:22Steven Rinella?

  Like, well, you know, the wind's not great, but you know, you get into that little trap. Like, you know where you want, you know where you want to be so bad.

• 1:50:31Speaker 05

  Marginal wind.

• 1:50:32Steven Rinella?

  And then the wind's like, kinda off, but some party's like, well, the wind's bad, but it's not so bad that it doesn't like make up for the good. It's just done.

• 1:50:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:50:44Steven Rinella?

  You don't even talk about that spot. You don't talk about that spot unless the wind is absolutely perfect for that spot. You don't even look at it on a map.

• 1:50:55Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:50:56Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. It's not an option.

• 1:50:58Speaker 04

  Back when I was in my archery elk guiding days, I would have a talk with, with my, my guests, my clients on setting up in spots. You don't want to set up in a spot where you can view nature.

• 1:51:14Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:15Speaker 04

  Because.

• 1:51:16Steven Rinella?

  But I kinda do.

• 1:51:16Speaker 04

  Because your goal is to kill nature. Like, you need to set up in a spot where you're gonna kill nature, not view nature.

• 1:51:23Speaker 05

  That's the thing you have to like, fight when you are, you know, deciding where to sit.

• 1:51:27Steven Rinella?

  And I would curse him. I'd get up and be like, cause he had gone and set stands. I'd get up there and be like, oh my God, this is such a Tony Peterson spot. Like, you can't see a thing. You can't see a thing.

• 1:51:38Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:51:39Steven Rinella?

  And you better be ready.

• 1:51:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:41Steven Rinella?

  Because you're not gonna see it coming.

• 1:51:42Speaker 05

  That's, that's a thing.

• 1:51:43Steven Rinella?

  But then lo and behold, there that son of a bitch is.

• 1:51:47Speaker 05

  Something those guys have in common is like, they, they haunt a lot of spots that are top pin territory. We're like, you don't, you wouldn't, there's no scenario where you'd need to look at your second pin on the bow.

• 1:51:57Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. He's not talking about sneaking one in at 40. It's like, he wants deer in your lap.

• 1:52:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:04Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. No. The spots he set up, yeah, you're not, you don't get up and like starts range finding different things. It's like, dude, you're like, if you want to range, find some stuff at the outer edge of your view. It's like 22 yards, 22 yards, 23 yards.

• 1:52:19Speaker 04

  What, what height?

• 1:52:22Steven Rinella?

  Low.

• 1:52:23Speaker 04

  No way.

• 1:52:23Steven Rinella?

  That kills me.

• 1:52:25Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:52:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, his setups.

• 1:52:29Steven Rinella?

  Are low.

• 1:52:30Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:52:31Steven Rinella?

  And he could have the world's greatest tree 10 feet away, but it's not like. He like a great where you'd be like watching.

• 1:52:38Speaker 04

  It's a view and tree.

• 1:52:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you did watching ducks out in the slough, you know, whatever. Like you're like 10 feet over that way. He doesn't care, dude. He doesn't care.

• 1:52:47Speaker 05

  What is Tony bad at? Because you had you observed something.

• 1:52:50Steven Rinella?

  Wildlife viewing.

• 1:52:51Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:52:54Speaker 04

  Enjoying the experience.

• 1:52:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's not making a nature documentary.

• 1:52:56Steven Rinella?

  He's bad at wildlife viewing.

• 1:52:58Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:52:58Steven Rinella?

  Or not bad at it, just he he he likes birds and stuff, but no, he's not. His setups aren't meant to be that it's a great place to hang out.

• 1:53:10Steven Rinella?

  But dude, I I like I I after we went, you know. We got like a buck on day one. We got a buck on day two. We got a buck on day four.

• 1:53:18Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 1:53:18Steven Rinella?

  They're all 20 yard shots. All 20 yard shots, all broadside. And after that, I was like, I get it. I get it.

• 1:53:26Speaker 05

  I haven't seen.

• 1:53:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, cuz that's a pretty good success for.

• 1:53:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. I haven't seen the deer you and your neighbor killed, but I saw the one Tony killed, which was a very good buck. What what were those deer like that you and?

• 1:53:38Steven Rinella?

  Oh, eight points. They went progressively smaller. No, my neighbor got a nice one. Um, um, you know, like a nice like, wow, I'll show you a picture of mine. It's like a like a eight, you know, a year wide, shorter timed eight.

• 1:53:52Speaker 05

  Very efficient. Kill three bucks in four days.

• 1:53:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. And then, um.

• 1:53:57Speaker 04

  Does Tony entertain at all? Like on a trip like that?

• 1:54:01Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 1:54:01Speaker 04

  When you go.

• 1:54:02Steven Rinella?

  Oh, sorry. I meant like entertain, like have to do stuff so everybody has fun.

• 1:54:07Speaker 05

  Appetizers before dinner.

• 1:54:10Speaker 04

  When you give him a classic Steven Rinella, like, you know what I would have done?

• 1:54:14Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you're not interested.

• 1:54:17Speaker 04

  Right. He's like, you're not, you're so far below my level that, yeah.

• 1:54:20Steven Rinella?

  But I I like defer cuz cuz I I would I just openly defer to him. In that space, you know, if we're doing something like, you know, if we're doing other kinds of things. I wouldn't, you know.

• 1:54:33Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:54:33Steven Rinella?

  Like there's other.

• 1:54:36Steven Rinella?

  Outdoor activities where I might not care at all what he thinks.

• 1:54:38Speaker 03

  It'd be dismissive and hostile to.

• 1:54:40Steven Rinella?

  No, I I'm like, hey, what do you think? What do you think? Cause I just I appreciate his way of looking at things. So he was in the driver's seat. Yeah. He was in the driver's seat. He knew that I have a preference for trees over being on the ground. And I'd say if it's sixes, I like to be in a tree. And he that probably like factored into his head a little bit. Yeah. Um, but it's still funny dude, like the one I got.

• 1:55:07Steven Rinella?

  Came from the dr- came from the direction. It came from the direction he imagined it coming from on the trail. He imagined it walking on.

• 1:55:17Steven Rinella?

  I remember even saying like talking about at that tight, when it's that tight, like trying to get your bow back. He's like, oh, this time of year, you're so distracted, you know? And I see it coming and I'm like, I'm not gonna draw till he's underneath me. I just catch him coming like from the right.

• 1:55:31Speaker 03

  You hear him or see him first?

• 1:55:32Steven Rinella?

  No, didn't it was pretty windy. Didn't see it, then didn't hear him. See him, like here he is. He's just, but he's like 10 steps away from being underneath me. I remember and I was just standing there ready. Sorry, seated ready, but I could shoot that way seated. And where did the deer stop? Well, I was like, it was so tight. I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna get my bow back. He's gonna stop when I draw, so I'm not gonna draw till he's in my pocket. And he gets in my pocket and draw and I draw and somehow miraculously he doesn't see me draw, which I couldn't believe. So then I made just made a little back.

• 1:56:08Steven Rinella?

  But I was already, I was for a minute entertaining the idea. He's walking so like kind of slow with his nose to the ground. I was entertained for a minute just shooting like that. But I'm dude, it's like, it's like right where, right where. Yeah. Right on the edge of what I could see. It's cool. He's got like a, it's a cool skill set, man. It's a cool skill set. All those years, like we would, when I was, you know, 12 year old, whatever, about, you know, hunting to be like, you'd set up. You know, there'd be like the field you always see the deer in. So you'd hunt a tree in the corner. Because the deer are always walking around out in that field. And then you'd sit there and they'd not come out under you. But you got to watch them all night. You know, and if you like ran a thing like a math problem be like, okay, I'm here in my

• 1:56:53Steven Rinella?

  tree. This is a, a, you know, a 30 acre field, 30 acre alfalfa field. I'm in my tree. I can shoot a little 20 yard circle around me. Um, and I'm only just planting on one, walking out in the field and meandering over my way. And then you realize the deer in your area have a thing where they like trot to the middle of the alfalfa field. Cause they're so tuned in to the fact that like the edge sucks. Like when you're on the edge, some kid shoots an arrow at you, but if you run out to the middle, nothing bad ever happens.

• 1:57:29Speaker 05

  Generations of deer know that.

• 1:57:30Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Yeah. Moms like, no, no, no, don't hang out, especially that black cherry.

• 1:57:34Speaker 03

  Especially the trees, the big straight trees.

• 1:57:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. The big cherry tree that the people are always in, just run out and feed all you want. They can't reach you with their arrows.

• 1:57:42Speaker 04

  My one, um, tree stand whitetail experience was in Minnesota and it was the seeing deer that I hated. Cause I was like, well, I'm stuck in this stupid tree. The deer out there.

• 1:57:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I always felt like you're doing something right if you're looking at them.

• 1:58:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:02Steven Rinella?

  Well, Tony feels like you're doing something right when he's 20 yards away.

• 1:58:06Speaker 03

  He'd be like, we were watching deer all night, just didn't get a shot.

• 1:58:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Speaker 03

  You might as well have been in another state.

• 1:58:13Steven Rinella?

  You came close, huh? Felt close, wasn't close.

• 1:58:16Speaker 03

  They just didn't want to cooperate.

• 1:58:17Steven Rinella?

  Wasn't close.

• 1:58:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. Tony's good at thinking about it, but then he also works really hard too. Like you don't, you don't get that success without both of those things because it's a lot of work just to go hang a tree stand. And then if you're, you're hunting for every wind with three guys, how many stands did he have hung? 10?

• 1:58:34Steven Rinella?

  Well, we had a lot of, he had a natural blind. He had maybe four pop ups, five, six trees.

• 1:58:42Speaker 05

  That's a lot of work.

• 1:58:44Steven Rinella?

  That's a ton of work, man.

• 1:58:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:46Steven Rinella?

  It's a ton of work. Listen, I was at his, it was basically like, it was basically, um, we were hanging out, you know, but it was basically the treatment you would like, it exceeded the treatment you would get were you to hire an outfitter.

• 1:59:00Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:59:01Steven Rinella?

  What we brought to the table is my, my, it's my neighbor's family's, my neighbor's family's farm. So he's like.

• 1:59:08Speaker 05

  They kind of didn't need you.

• 1:59:11Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I didn't bring anything to the table.

• 1:59:13Speaker 05

  No, you weren't entertaining them.

• 1:59:14Steven Rinella?

  They needed me. No, they didn't need me for anything.

• 1:59:18Steven Rinella?

  They didn't need me for anything. I was just there hanging out, having a good time. It was impressive. He's cool. He's cool. It's cool to watch him hunt those whitetails.

• 1:59:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you want to think like Tony hosts the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast. And what I love about that is they're like 15 minute episodes. So you can go and you can knock out a whole bunch of them and, you know, see how a really good whitetail public land bow hunter like him thinks.

• 1:59:39Steven Rinella?

  What's funny too is once he gets it, he ceases to care about the deer.

• 1:59:44Steven Rinella?

  Do you understand? He just saws off the skull plate. He just throw it into a pile. Like, once he's got it, it's like he doesn't fetishize the antlers.

• 1:59:54Steven Rinella?

  Do you know what I mean? They're just like, they just become like a another one for the pile. He likes to hunt, dude. You know what I mean? He likes to hunt. Yeah, he's not like, oh, these are going to go in a special corner. You know, on the old mantel piece. What are you gonna do with those? Put them in my pile of antlers?

• 2:00:12Speaker 03

  What I like about Tony, if we're all doing this, is he's just a very funny man, just a very sarcastic funny man.

• 2:00:19Steven Rinella?

  He's very interested in outer space.

• 2:00:21Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, we were talking about that when we went fishing.

• 2:00:23Steven Rinella?

  Not in a weird, not in a weird way.

• 2:00:24Speaker 05

  Hey, he wears that tinfoil hat from time to time.

• 2:00:26Steven Rinella?

  No, no, no, no. You think so? What I was warned about him originally, Mark Canyon warned me about him. In outer space.

• 2:00:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:35Steven Rinella?

  I thought it was going to be like, like.

• 2:00:37Speaker 03

  Aliens.

• 2:00:38Steven Rinella?

  Like a bunch of hoodoo gibber.

• 2:00:41Steven Rinella?

  But it was, he bombarded me with like legit outer space stuff. Like, how far away is this? How fast is that? How dark that is?

• 2:00:50Steven Rinella?

  You know, not like, not like getting attacked by aliens.

• 2:00:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, we went fishing and I had just finished reading the right stuff. And for whatever reason, space came up. When he was like, yeah, I'm big on that. Yeah. Big space. I was like, what do you mean?

• 2:01:07Steven Rinella?

  He's a big space guy.

• 2:01:08Speaker 03

  And I was like, I was hitting, it was like, uh, infielding practice where I was hitting grounders with what I knew. And he was just grabbing it and throwing me out at first.

• 2:01:18Steven Rinella?

  Me and him shared my camper. He was over on the, one of my kids beds camper. A good guest, I bet. He brought a couple, two, three space books with him.

• 2:01:29Steven Rinella?

  He had his space books laid out, not deer books.

• 2:01:31Speaker 03

  Fascinating, fascinating.

• 2:01:33Speaker 04

  The first thing he did when he laid down was put those stick on, uh, stars and planets.

• 2:01:41Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna get him a sign that says, there's no box in space.

• 2:01:44Speaker 03

  Ooh, there you go.

• 2:01:46Steven Rinella?

  Might turn him off on the whole subject. I don't know. He's gonna, he's gonna find space, uh, pinch points in space.

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. It is the opposite of everything that you've described so far.

• 2:01:56Steven Rinella?

  What is?

• 2:01:57Speaker 03

  Just the interest in the infinite. And as a deer hunter, he's.

• 2:02:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's a great point.

• 2:02:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:03Steven Rinella?

  Maybe his setups all have a great view of the sky.

• 2:02:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:07Steven Rinella?

  And I failed to notice that. But no, I would not have reviewed in my head. You can't see the sky either.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 2:02:13Steven Rinella?

  You just see a hole in front of you.

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe the good readings, the, the, the reading light is good.

• 2:02:17Speaker 04

  I was.

• 2:02:21Speaker 04

  We're so pro whitetail right now. I was just thinking, I was over at, uh, a friend's house. Went downstairs to use the bathroom. Never been there before. Went downstairs to use, use the bathroom. Um, and there's like many respectable whitetails on the wall. And I came back up and I'm like, oh my God, there's a lot of, a lot of whitetail down there. And he just goes, yeah. Says something about Montana. I can't kill a big mule deer anymore. So you just end up with a whitetail.

• 2:02:52Steven Rinella?

  Hmm, sure.

• 2:02:55Speaker 04

  I was like huh, a lot of people would be real excited about having those bucks on the wall.

• 2:02:59Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:02Speaker 05

  And he's got a basement.

• 2:03:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:03Speaker 05

  Like I don't know people in Montana with basements.

• 2:03:06Speaker 04

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 2:03:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I grew up in a place where everyone had a basement.

• 2:03:10Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 2:03:10Speaker 05

  And then I came out here and when we moved here before we bought our house, we had looked at like 20 of them when we came out. Not a single one had a basement.

• 2:03:17Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 2:03:18Speaker 05

  I was blown away.

• 2:03:18Steven Rinella?

  Pure tornadoes.

• 2:03:19Speaker 05

  It's because of, well tornadoes is one.

• 2:03:21Steven Rinella?

  Water table, yeah.

• 2:03:22Speaker 05

  Um, the, the ground is extra rocky in the valley here, so that complicates it a little bit. Uh, and then I think the earthquakes, um, also they don't want to put a basement in with all of our seismic activity.

• 2:03:34Steven Rinella?

  We have a full footprint crawl space. Six feet, no, five and a half feet deep, so you can't stand up in it.

• 2:03:40Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 2:03:41Steven Rinella?

  And I realized after a while, like, I guess if you went, whatever you do normally.

• 2:03:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:03:47Steven Rinella?

  Nine feet, you'd be standing in two feet of water.

• 2:03:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:03:53Steven Rinella?

  So it's like that deep for a reason. Cause I'm like, what kind of lazy ass would have scraped out the extra space so I could stand up down here? When I'm sorting through my wife's Christmas decorations.

• 2:04:04Speaker 05

  Should've consulted you.

• 2:04:05Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm. Well, I think I know why.

• 2:04:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Steven Rinella?

  All right. Thanks, guys. Anything else anybody needs to add? Thanks, Phil. Spencer got a big old buck.

• 2:04:13Speaker 05

  Thanks, Phil.

• 2:04:14Steven Rinella?

  He doesn't want to talk about it.

• 2:04:17Steven Rinella?

  Where is that buck? I see it.

• 2:04:19Speaker 05

  Uh, he's getting taxidermy.

• 2:04:21Steven Rinella?

  You're getting him taxiderm-

• 2:04:22Speaker 05

  No, just a year amount.

• 2:04:23Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 2:04:24Steven Rinella?

  Why'd you say taxidermy?

• 2:04:26Speaker 05

  Because I took it to a taxidermist to do that.

• 2:04:28Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 2:04:29Speaker 04

  What, uh, what'd you think of that camper?

• 2:04:32Steven Rinella?

  You brought it to a taxidermist?

• 2:04:33Speaker 05

  Well, our girl Brooklyn, who works here, who like gives us all a nice discount. Yeah, of course I'd take it to her.

• 2:04:38Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's who you had do it?

• 2:04:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:04:40Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's what I was gonna complain about.

• 2:04:42Speaker 05

  That I didn't take it to Brooklyn?

• 2:04:43Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. She's quick and cheap.

• 2:04:46Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I've been sending her some business too. She does a nice job.

• 2:04:50Speaker 03

  She has, they're very clean, like evenly colored skulls.

• 2:04:55Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 2:04:55Speaker 04

  I took a bunch of stuff that's just been sitting around to her this year, but I did not take the brown bear to her.

• 2:05:03Steven Rinella?

  You can get a beaded.

• 2:05:04Speaker 04

  Cause I wanna get a beaded.

• 2:05:05Steven Rinella?

  That's what I did. My boy's black bear. My boy's first black bear. I got a beaded for him so that so it's real nasal cavities and real sound, you know?

• 2:05:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What'd you think of that camper?

• 2:05:14Steven Rinella?

  Loved it.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  Oh, good.

• 2:05:16Speaker 04

  That thing is enormous.

• 2:05:18Steven Rinella?

  It is.

• 2:05:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, how to pull.

• 2:05:20Steven Rinella?

  Oh, we put stabilizer bars on it with that big diesel truck. You don't even know it's back there.

• 2:05:23Speaker 02

  Oh, that's good.

• 2:05:24Steven Rinella?

  It's spacious. It's nice. Yeah, me and Tony shared it. He felt like he was in outer space. He had so much space.

• 2:05:31Speaker 02

  That's a spaceship.

• 2:05:34Steven Rinella?

  Alright, thanks Phil. Hit us with a line, Phil. Just let us go with the line.

• 2:05:39Speaker 04

  I thought we were done.

• 2:05:40Steven Rinella?

  I want you guys to hear Phil's British accent.

• 2:05:43Speaker 02

  A penny for a thawing in it?

• 2:05:48Steven Rinella?

  No, hit it how you like to do it, Phil.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  Isn't it? Okay, the last time I did that, I was admonished and then you came in here and said that actors aren't real artists. And now you're asking me to, as your court jester, to start spitting off lines.

• 2:06:02Steven Rinella?

  Hit the boys with a crash at line.

• 2:06:05Speaker 02

  God bless us, everyone.

• 2:06:07Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 2:06:08Speaker 04

  That's a good one.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  This comes out December fifteenth. Can you do something Christmasy, though? Is that, is that not? I mean, that's as Christmas as it gets. Isn't there like a Merry Christmas in there somewhere?

• 2:06:16Steven Rinella?

  Oh, do like where he's trying to tell Scrooge that he should go home early because it's Christmas Eve.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  Uh, well, well, Scrooge asks if I'd like the whole day and then I say, well, if if quite convenient, sir. And then he says, it's not convenient and it's not fair. That's Scrooge. That's my Scrooge.

• 2:06:33Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  And then I say, well, it's it's Christmas Day, so it's it's only once a year. And then he says, well, fine, but you have to come in two hours early tomorrow. And then I say, yes, sir. Merry, oh, I mean, good evening. That's how the scene goes.

• 2:06:50Speaker 02

  That is art. Oh, thanks, Spencer.

• 2:06:52Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I take it back. That was art.

• 2:06:54Speaker 04

  I had a guy from Ireland write in and congratulate me on the the BHA.

• 2:07:01Speaker 04

  Position and he said-

• 2:07:02Steven Rinella?

  From higher-

• 2:07:03Speaker 05

  Are we still going?

• 2:07:03Speaker 04

  He said, "I'm chuffed."

• 2:07:04Steven Rinella?

  I'm still, I'm still switching cameras over here. Spencer's done.

• 2:07:06Speaker 05

  Well, I'm following Randall's-

• 2:07:07Steven Rinella?

  I didn't, I didn't realize we were still going earlier. Well, Cal took his off and he's still talking.

• 2:07:11Speaker 04

  I just thought that was funny, yeah? Chuffed and I was like, "Well, thank you. I'll have to look up, look up what that is."

• 2:07:17Speaker 05

  Chuffed.

• 2:07:17Speaker 04

  It just means like you're excited, you're happy.

• 2:07:19Steven Rinella?

  Chuffed, you're chuffed? I'm gonna start using that.

• 2:07:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:22Steven Rinella?

  That's like when I learned, uh, Labians go, "Bouch!" When a gun goes off instead of bang, I'm gonna start doing chuffed.

• 2:07:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. Awfully close to chafed, though.

• 2:07:30Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 2:07:30Speaker 05

  Which is the opposite of fun.

• 2:07:31Speaker 04

  Which is kinda fun.

• 2:07:32Steven Rinella?

  Like you'd be like-

• 2:07:32Speaker 04

  I wanna hear about Spencer's buck.

• 2:07:33Speaker 05

  I still can't believe, I can't understand if we're recording this podcast or not.

• 2:07:37Steven Rinella?

  No, it's over, it's over. Spencer, I'd like to see your buck.

• 2:07:39Speaker 05

  Well, we have radio live this week. Steve is there, me, Randall's there. We'll talk about it then.

• 2:07:45Steven Rinella?

  Sounds good.

• 2:07:46Speaker 05

  How about then?

• 2:07:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:47Steven Rinella?

  Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Phil.

• 2:07:49Speaker 05

  Great.

• 2:07:50Speaker 04

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• 2:10:03Steven Rinella?

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• 2:10:44Steven Rinella?

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