Your Letters and Scams w/ Misha Brown

Misha Brown (from Wondery’s The Big Flop) joins Laci to dive into YOUR scams, CON-gregation! It's your moment to shine. Laci and Misha read letters about a Dayton hair salon doubling as a hotspot for selling boosted clothes, a puzzling college loan collection email, a survey scam promising a three-year Netflix subscription, and a Dr. Phil-worthy pregnancy hoax packed with drama and haters. Stay schemin'! CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Misha Brown: @yourbestiemisha Letters by YOU

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• 2:19Laci Mosley?

  West Pop and Congregation. Today, we have a multi-talented king on the show. A singer, actor, and fellow theater lover like moi. He has over 4.3 million followers across multiple platforms. And there's definitely a reason why for that. If you have not gotten into this content yet, you are playing. If you haven't guessed by yet, I'm talking about Misha Brown. And he's the host of the podcast on Wondery called The Big Flop, which I have been on a few times. I love that show so much. And if you're not getting into The Big Flop, then you're missing out on all of pop culture's biggest flim-flams and fails, and a lot of good laughs. But yes, so get into The Big Flop, a pod on all the scandals and fiascos from your favorite failed attempts.

• 3:01Laci Mosley?

  Congregation, please welcome my homie and influencer sweet Misha Brown to the show. Hi, Misha.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  Yay. Oh, my gosh, I love you. I love that you said flim-flam.

• 3:14Laci Mosley?

  It just flew out. And then I was like, wait, there is something scripted here from his people. And I'm just like going off about how much I love you. I follow you on all social platforms. I love your videos. And I think, I just think you're such a delight, so.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  Aw, same.

• 3:26Laci Mosley?

  And not in that internet hattery way, which I have grown to be so tired of. Like, everyone's got a think piece over every little thing now. I'm like, shut up.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  I know.

• 3:36Laci Mosley?

  Shut up.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Things are going on in the world, but we also still have to like have fun, you know? Remember when social media was fun?

• 3:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and I understand like the, you know, we're talking about real things happening in our government. You know, we're down bad over here in America. Aren't you originally from Canada?

• 3:52Speaker 04

  No, no, from New York, close. Right across the border.

• 3:55Laci Mosley?

  Did I make that up? You're just so nice.

• 3:59Laci Mosley?

  It can't be from here. We don't make them this nice anymore. No, but like, anything that has to do with like, real world, global issues, I understand the think pieces going back to the history, but sometimes it's like, are we really gonna dissect the Nora like this? Like, come on, y'all, grow up.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  I know, I know.

• 4:14Laci Mosley?

  Y'all talking about cartoon Shrek? Y'all in real pints about cartoon Shrek?

• 4:19Speaker 04

  Who were those people, though? I saw that ad and I said, who, who is that? That's not the Shrek and Donkey I know.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but the, the technology has advanced. But, but you know what? We don't need everything in HD. And I think that's what the thing that we haven't realized as a society is like, I don't need to see my newscasters pores. And I don't think they want me to see them either.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 4:41Laci Mosley?

  How are you, Misha?

• 4:42Speaker 04

  I'm so good. Yeah, I, actually, I am like thrilled, honored, delighted because I am a, I am a member of the congregation. I love this show so much and I loved having you on The Big Flop. So I'm so excited that now it's my turn to come over here and talk about some scams.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  And I was thinking about you. I was actually gonna message you, but then when I saw that, um, we had got your booking on the show, I was like, okay, I'll just ask him on the air. But did you see, you know, the award season press tour party junket season just ended, right? Tyra Banks got an award at the Essence, like, celebrating black women, you know, success. Luncheon event. And our episode, the most recent episode of The Big Flop that I did with you is about Tyra Banks and all of her little tiny leg flop businesses. You have to listen to it, y'all. If y'all don't know, she has so many and apparently I'm a part of her cult.

• 5:35Laci Mosley?

  Misha had me have a whole realization that's changed my life.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  That's what we learned.

• 5:40Laci Mosley?

  But did you see her speech?

• 5:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 5:42Laci Mosley?

  So she gave a speech, um, you know, talking about how she had opened so many doors for women and how other black women had opened doors for her and she's happy to walk through these doors with all these women. And she talked about the success of America's Next Top Model and how nobody really wanted her to do it at first. And she was like, did we get a lot of things wrong? Absolutely. But I'm still proud of what we did. Like she- She said everybody could kiss my ass.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Okay, well, self-aware, self-aware. So I did not see that, but I have gone back. I started watching like season 24. I think it was like a 2018 cycle. And she, there's this one girl started crying and she goes, I want you to cry.

• 6:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay. So the growth is new.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  There we go. I was like, oh, here's, here's, here's good old Tyra. What a, what a good time.

• 6:31Laci Mosley?

  I mean, that's still technically seven years ago. So she, you know, it time.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  I mean, time is pre-COVID, post-COVID, right? We, we, we are a different society these days than we were just, just seven years ago.

• 6:45Laci Mosley?

  Yes, BC. So maybe this was BC before COVID and then COVID came and then she was like, you know, I gotta change my ways.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, I think so. Good old Tyra.

• 6:54Laci Mosley?

  I wish I could see Misha's face right now because he's like, mm-hmm.

• 6:57Speaker 04

  I'm like, yeah, I know, mm-hmm.

• 7:01Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to Tyra for being one of the most covert scammers I never even realized was out here running grifts and MLMs and things. Because baby, y'all just listen to the big flop because that is a whole, Misha took me down a, a whole ride.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  Smizing for the past 24 years.

• 7:17Laci Mosley?

  I had no, I didn't know no better. I still smize. I'm keeping that in my heart. But Misha, we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams? Like, do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you been scammed recently? Anything you want to talk about?

• 7:29Speaker 04

  I mean, I went to school for musical theater, so I definitely know what scams are.

• 7:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you know what, though? I was, someone did recently try to scam me. And it actually worked in my favor. I, I get emails all the time asking me to be a guest on these very high-profile podcasts. I'm sure you get the same emails, but like they never make any sense. They're like, come on Candace Cameron Burr's podcast to talk about sports, health and fitness. Because that's what you do. And they're always offering like $5,000 prepaid. But really what they want to do is get, and they say it's a Facebook podcast, which by the way, doesn't exist.

• 8:12Laci Mosley?

  Francesca Ramsey told me about this happening to her recently.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, so the, the scam is that they want to get access to your Facebook account. Then they'll block you out and take all, all of your monetization. So anyway, I got one for the Jennifer Hudson podcast on Facebook.

• 8:30Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? I would believe that because what is J. Hud not doing?

• 8:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 8:34Laci Mosley?

  She went and won an Oscar and she was like, I don't know, I have a TV show. You'll never see a clip from the television show, but you will see dancers walking down the hallway while I make my staff sing them an original song.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  That mutant, yeah, that's not a lie. But you know what? So I, I responded back to them because they said, we just love your content on health and beauty.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  And I said, well, that, that's, that's incorrect. So I, I responded back to them. I said, thank you so much. I'm glad you love my content on health and beauty. In fact, I'm going to give you a beauty tip right now. I want you to walk, I want you to go to your nearest CVS. I want you to pick up an eyeliner, a mascara, and so, any skincare you want. I want you to put them in a bag. I want you to get home, go into your bathroom, take those things out of the bag, and then put that bag over your head, you ugly bitch.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  And I told this story on social media and the Jennifer Hudson Show reached out to me and was like, do you want to come on the show? The real, the, the real one.

• 9:37Laci Mosley?

  The real J. Hud.

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Her real talk show. Yeah. Her, um, her, her producer reached out to me and was like, let's set this up. Didn't work out because of scheduling, but now I have a contact at the J. Hud Show.

• 9:48Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen, run me that. Let me come up with my fake internet story about how J. Hud tried to scam me.

• 9:54Speaker 04

  But I will say, now to be fair, I-

• 9:56Laci Mosley?

  Yours is real. I'm saying I am gonna make a fake one.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  So my other relationship to scams is, okay, maybe we should give it to Tyra because I am somebody that has grown in my lifetime. I, I did run a scam back in that college where I was getting that scam musical theater degree.

• 10:14Laci Mosley?

  You were being scammed. So you just ran it back.

• 10:16Speaker 04

  I was being scammed while I scammed, but what happened was my first year there, I went to a private school and it was a requirement that you had to get your textbooks through the school for all of your classes. You couldn't source them anywhere else. And they were so expensive, even in 2005 money. So the next year, my sophomore year, they got rid of that rule and said, you can get your textbooks from wherever. So- I had this brilliant plan. I would go into the bookstore and I would steal the textbooks of the classes my friends were in. And I would go and I would sell them at this used bookstore. And then they would go and buy a used book.

• 10:55Laci Mosley?

  Come on, boosted books.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  Which was really new. So I got a little paycheck. The bookstore made a little bit of profit and my friends got to get half-priced books. And the school got scammed.

• 11:06Laci Mosley?

  It sounds like everyone won.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  I don't know if it's a scam or just straight up theft.

• 11:11Laci Mosley?

  No, because this is, it's giving back to the students who can't afford it. Because those books are way too expensive anyway. I used to have a professor and I loved his class, but every year he wrote the textbook for his class. And I will say what the class's name is, but because it's like he made the class up in my business school. But it's like a really good class. And he would change like a few words in the textbook every year. So that you had to buy the latest edition. You couldn't buy an older, cheaper copy. And he would make sure that one of our exams or one of our quizzes had one of the new little things that he changed in the newer book. So if you didn't buy it, you were gonna lose some points down the line or like get screwed over. It was such a scam. It's like, really? You, you found out something new about this course every year? Like, you lying.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  And of course, he's teaching a class on business.

• 11:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. I mean, it's an excellent business scheme because he gets kickbacks from every book that we buy. And he's making sure that each year, no one can recycle the book.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  I hope he's doing well.

• 12:08Laci Mosley?

  So I'm glad you got your get back because the campus bookstore knows that they're running a whole racket. College is expensive enough already. And then you're telling me that all the add-ons when I get here, it's like, it's not even, like, you know how Spirit Airlines is like, oh, the ticket is $5, but then if you want a seatbelt, it's gonna be $20. If you want some water, that's $39.99. Um, how invested are you in takeoff and landing? Those are two separate charges. It's like they tag all more stuff except for college is already expensive. They're like, yeah, well, you already had that much baby boo. So come get these $300 books.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  I know, and to get a theater degree. Come on.

• 12:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  I know. That's on me, though.

• 12:48Laci Mosley?

  I got a business major and a performance minor. I use my business degree with my performance endeavors, but I was wondering like, I haven't been in the business job market in forever. So if action doesn't work out, I don't know who's gonna be like, uh, come and go to Ernst and Young and be like, so these are my credits. As you can see here, I was behind Ice T and Law and Order.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, not the background credit.

• 13:11Laci Mosley?

  Me for entry level accounting, like.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  No, let me tell you, that's scary because the whole reason I became an influencer is because one, I am, I am that against having a nine to five that I made myself TikTok famous. But the real.

• 13:25Laci Mosley?

  So now you have a 24 to 24.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  There we go. But the real tea is that I, um, I had, I'd been booked and blessed my whole 12 years in New York. I only ever performed. I never had, really had many side hustles. And, uh, when the pandemic happened and I couldn't perform, I couldn't even get a job interview at like T-Mobile.

• 13:43Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Like they, it looks, it looks like I was a 34 year old who had never worked a day in his life.

• 13:50Laci Mosley?

  See, that's when you gotta start making stuff up. Cause they gotta teach you how to do everything at T-Mobile anyway. Okay.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  I know, right? Well, I know, that's why I ended up working part time at Lululemon.

• 13:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I could see at Lululemon. Attractive, young, you know, you could sell a legging for 12. I see that for you.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, there we go.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  But yes, so, okay, yes, technically that was a little bit of crime, Misha, but I think that it helped out. It was very altruistic because you didn't just take the books, steal them and then undercut the market a little bit and sell them online. You took the books, you helped out a local bookstore, get their coins, and you got a discount book for the student who couldn't afford the one in the bookstore.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  It was a Robin Hood scam.

• 14:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 14:33Laci Mosley?

  You got a little bit, everybody who needed it, you know, local bookstores are going out of business all the time now. You know, Barnes and Noble ads are like, Barnes and Noble, we'll suck your dick. Do you want, do you want to buy a book? Please help us.

• 14:44Laci Mosley?

  That's so crass. Sorry to your babies who are listening. Like, it's hard to find. I saw my book in a bookstore this past week because I haven't had time and I was out of the country when it came out. And I went in the store and I was like, damn, like, bookstores are crazy now. Like, they don't exist that frequently anymore.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 15:05Laci Mosley?

  So, I like to support a local bookstore and I think that's what you did, Misha. So, I think this is good.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 15:10Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna say I approve and I like it.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  It was a long time ago.

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• 17:23Laci Mosley?

  So this is a very special episode, Misha, because recently we have not been having time to get to our listener letters. And I know y'all probably thinking, I emailed in my letter, like, where is it? But, you know, we've been, the hoodwinks have been too long and juicy and the guest commentary has been too great. So we're gonna have a mail back episode today, which I wanted to do with you because I thought it would be like, super fun.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:47Laci Mosley?

  So I am gonna need you to make up fake names for all these people all throughout. Um, so you will have to do a little work, but I want to get your opinions about these scams and, and any red flags you see along the way, any guesses you have to how these are gonna end. And yes, so let's just see what the girls have been up to. As always, snitch on your friends, family, and your enemies at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired, like Misha. Because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. Um, so quite a few of these actually have to do with retail, Misha. So I think we're all kind of like on the same plane here. I do want to give y'all a note up top here. Um, congregation, I love y'all. What did I tell y'all about remarks being two minutes at the church? Okay?

• 18:31Laci Mosley?

  We're getting a little long-winded. We're all doing Adrian Brody at the Oscars. Y'all are sending me dissertations. Like, at the end of these, I'm looking for formatting, like MLA. I'm looking for citations because you have sent me a, a document. It's an email, baby boo. Let's keep it to three paragraphs. Keep it cute, okay? Because I want to read it on air, but some of these would scare me out of the whole show.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Rumor has it Adrian Brody is still getting that speech.

• 18:57Laci Mosley?

  Right now.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Right at this current moment, yeah.

• 19:00Laci Mosley?

  He has more to say, yet nothing to say. And, you know, I hope someone, hopefully, you know, that lady he's with, what was that, Weinstein's ex? Hopefully she's still there.

• 19:12Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  Clapping along.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Hopefully his gum isn't stuck in her hair.

• 19:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what was that? Why are you throwing gum at that lady?

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Why are you throwing? Swallow it like a real man.

• 19:22Laci Mosley?

  Or at least like, why? Like, why did you think that was cute? And it's like, she already had to watch Halle Berry kiss you earlier. Don't throw gum at her. Like, why do you hate this lady?

• 19:32Speaker 04

  That wasn't for me.

• 19:34Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  That was not for me.

• 19:35Laci Mosley?

  It was for many of us. I was like, she had the chance to do the funniest thing ever and just give us a Will Smith. Just hop on that stage. Everybody wanted him carted off anyway.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  Literally.

• 19:45Laci Mosley?

  So, I need a fake name for this person, Misha. We don't care about gender. It can be anything.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Okay, how about Alex?

• 19:52Laci Mosley?

  Alex. It's very neutral, too.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  Very neutral.

• 19:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes, Alex, good criminal name. I think Alex is a good criminal name. It's very generic. Wait, you don't agree, Misha?

• 20:02Speaker 04

  No, I was-

• 20:02Laci Mosley?

  Misha's not a good criminal name. Misha's so unique. It's beautiful, but like-

• 20:06Speaker 04

  Misha's not, but my legal name is Michael Brown.

• 20:11Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  And so anytime I come back into the country from being away, I always get pulled off to the side because they think that I'm a terrorist or something because I have such a suspiciously, like, common name.

• 20:22Laci Mosley?

  Like John Smith?

• 20:23Speaker 04

  They're like, they're like, that is the most milquetoast name I've ever seen. You need to come with me. We need to check your bags, touch your butthole.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  So, yeah, but no. Yeah, Misha's a nickname.

• 20:37Laci Mosley?

  I love Misha. Michael, but Michael Brown's also racial neutral. Like, you probably-

• 20:42Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 20:42Laci Mosley?

  Should've been putting, like, Misha on your applications. Because Lacey Mosley, they think I'm white until I show up, okay? By that time, I got them.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  You're like, I'm here.

• 20:51Laci Mosley?

  Can't kick me out. I'm here now. Okay. But Michael Brown can go many different ways.

• 20:56Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 20:57Laci Mosley?

  So, um, Alex says here, "This scam is tiny and probably wouldn't faze too many people, especially if they're used to things falling off the truck," in quotes.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 21:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if you guys remember this episode years ago, but I talked about how I thought it was normal to a guest. I was like, yeah, you know, like when the Mac man comes over and like you guys look at all the new Mac cosmetics and then you like buy them at home. I thought that was just like a, like a rich lady thing my mom had going on in Texas. No, that man was boasting.

• 21:28Laci Mosley?

  And you know, the Mac man was a staple in my life for a few years and we just never saw him again.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Wonder what happened.

• 21:35Laci Mosley?

  Should've thought about that harder. Should've thought about that just like a little bit harder. But so, um, Alex says, "My mom took me to a new hairdresser when I was like 11 or 12 in Dayton. Shout out to Dayton, Ohio. We have, I think, yeah, that we have, the last episode of Scam Goddess on Hulu is, uh, in Dayton, Ohio. So I've been there." So Alex says, "Mom was taking them to a hair salon in Dayton. It was, it was in a strip mall and I have no idea how she found this place, but whatever. I was there to get my relaxer and trim. Side note, I'm sad that I had relaxers at that age. My daughter will never know that life. Shout out to you. Um, if you don't know what a relaxer is, um, it's a chemical treatment to straighten

• 22:16Laci Mosley?

  curly hair and there have been proven to be very adverse side effects linking to, you know, cancer and other diseases and obviously chemical burns and things like that. So, you know, it's not good. But if you were a little black girl during a certain time in the, you know, states, you probably had some creamy crack put on your head."

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Creamy crack?

• 22:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's just something that, something that happened. So, "There were few people in and out of the salon and there were a few guys who would come in with boxes and take them to the back. They told my mom they were selling clothes and asked her if she wanted to check them out. She went and got some clothes." What in the baby boy? Okay. Men coming in with just boxes, saying they're selling clothes. What kind of clothes?

• 23:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, what kind of clothes are we talking?

• 23:05Laci Mosley?

  Season, what season are we in? Designer?

• 23:08Speaker 04

  We're doing spring dresses? Are we talking, you know, undergarments? Are we, like, what, what are, what's in the box?

• 23:17Laci Mosley?

  Just clothes. Come back here and look.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is a man. He doesn't know. He's like, I don't know, shirts?

• 23:24Laci Mosley?

  I know. Women be shopping, I'm to the back. These are the slogans, nothing else.

• 23:33Laci Mosley?

  But you're right. It's like, how many size ratio? Are we talking adult clothing, children's clothing, baby clothing? No, just clothes. Come to the back. Okay. So, um, Alex says that her mom went to the back and got some. When all was done, we left. The next time we went, they had clothes again. So I went back to check the stuff out. I noticed all of the clothes still had tags, but not only did they have tags, they also had the giant plastic security tags on them too. I thought that was odd, especially when they were using a lighter to get the security tag to release so that they could give us the clothes. Now, we'll say this is great customer service.

• 24:12Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 24:12Laci Mosley?

  Because they didn't let you go home with the tag on them. That's happened to me in stores. I still have a dress that has that tag on and I'm like, now I'm thinking like, I didn't know you could use a lighter. I was just gonna go on Amazon and get a tag remover, but a lighter, you say? Hmm, I might have to try that at home.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  Okay, but also, how much of a discount are we getting on these clothes? I'm thinking ahead because, do you not have like burn marks? You're just like buying clothes. There's just a small burn hole right over here on the, on the seam, but, uh, don't worry about that.

• 24:42Laci Mosley?

  Get a little needle and thread. You can sew that little burn hole right up. I think they're coming in style, little burn holes. Make more of them and make it a statement.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, there we go.

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  I would hope these, if they've been doing this for a while, I'd hope they've acquired some skills with it. Now, if you are boosting clothes, clearly you're stealing them and it's free for you. You're getting the five finger discount and selling it as a, as a markup. But if you're making money off of this, like, why not just go on the internet and get a tag remover? A tag gun?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Well, you know what? It's like all the people that impersonate our pages, they will never pay for that verification badge. You know, they're not trying to invest any more money into this.

• 25:21Laci Mosley?

  That's so true, and I don't know why they don't, because if you get a verification bag on Instagram, it's free. It's just that to get one, you have to either have a certain amount of articles online, they offer it to you, or your publicist reaches out, or whatever network you work for, and they get you verified. Now, on Twitter, you can purchase it.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  You can purchase it on Meta.

• 25:41Laci Mosley?

  You can buy it on Meta now?

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, on Facebook and Instagram.

• 25:43Laci Mosley?

  You used to not be able to do that.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can, for like a year.

• 25:47Laci Mosley?

  That's weird.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  I know, but that's why I'm saying, it's like, I don't, I, I'm.

• 25:51Laci Mosley?

  They're not spending the extra money.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  But they're not gonna spend that $4.99 a month, or whatever it is.

• 25:57Laci Mosley?

  That's ridiculous. Why not make it look real if you're gonna impersonate me and ask my friends and family for small amounts of money?

• 26:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:04Laci Mosley?

  That's an investment. Like, you gotta do that. Seal the deal. Buy some followers, too. Like, make it really.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Make it look good.

• 26:10Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna help, y'all.

• 26:14Laci Mosley?

  I hope Scary Rich Dollars is my show, like, ooh, that's a good tip.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  They're like, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna DM Lacey's mom and say, I got this shirt, it's got a little burn hole, but.

• 26:23Laci Mosley?

  That's actually in right now. Did y'all see McQueen 2025? The burns are in.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  All right.

• 26:29Laci Mosley?

  The girls are yearning for the burns. That should've set off a red flag, Alex, then. You're, one, you're at a hair salon. This is not, now, hair salons do sell a lot of random stuff. There's always someone coming in, well, black hair salon, there's someone coming in, like, bruh man, and they got CDs, DVDs, um, ice pops, lunch. Uh, you name it, they got it. Concert tickets. And then, so, if they had some clothes, that actually wouldn't be the most bizarre thing. But you are in the back of a hair salon with some men who clearly don't do hair, looking at some clothes in a box with tags and, uh, security tags on them, so, yeah.

• 27:08Laci Mosley?

  I think walking back there was the first flag of like, this isn't how clothes are typically sold.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Not, not usually.

• 27:14Laci Mosley?

  No. There's some stores like that, um, I won't say what street because I'm not going out them, but in Los Angeles, there's the, um, you know, uh, that one part near Vine, um, they have all of those stores where you can go in, you could tell they're like mom and pop run. And they just have a, it's not a thrift store, but they just have a bunch of random clothes and they'll only be one of one of each of them. It's not the Webster's, just one of one because clearly they have boosted all this stuff and it's all from different stores. They all have different tags. And they'd still have the, you know, price tag on them. I'm like, what is going on here? I don't want to know.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, yeah, New York is the same. New York, New York has those little pockets.

• 27:53Laci Mosley?

  Or when they, I like, I like, um, in Chinatown, when they have it behind the wall, like some real good fake purses behind the walls. Like I gotta risk my life and go behind this fake wall. To get a fake Hermes.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  It's like, it feels like you're in a John Wick movie, you know?

• 28:07Laci Mosley?

  I go back there like, who killed my dog? And I'll say, yeah, three of those Fuchis.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Fuchis?

• 28:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Give me a Frada. Yes, I love that for them. So, uh, this letter concludes with, my mom bought the stuff and when we went home, she told my dad about the clothes and she was telling the story. It dawned on me how they got the clothes. And why they would have to burn off security tags. Okay, Alex, you were young, so I'm going to give you a break on like, it take until y'all got all the way home. Cause I feel like once they walked in the place with the boxes and went straight to the back and said, we're selling clothes. I would have been like, okay, crime.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Clock'd immediately.

• 28:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Um, there was a big like heist at Lululemon not so long ago that we talked about on the podcast. You made me think of that because you said you worked there for a little bit back in the day. Um, where they got away with like millions of dollars of like stealing from one Lululemon and then going to another one to return those items. Mm-hmm. And so, and then those clothes are expensive, so they got away with a lot very fast. It was actually quite impressive. But you know, these kinds of scams, they exist. Sometimes they actually fuel like drug businesses. Like they'll boost the clothes, resell them and then that money goes into other nefarious activities.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  Okay, startup, I don't know about that. But the interesting thing too is I have friends who have worked in retail. I worked in retail back in the day. I was very bad at it. I can't fold a shirt to save my life. That square shirt.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  No, me either. Bless. No.

• 29:34Laci Mosley?

  It might as well have been the bed sheet with all the, you know, round corners for me.

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Fitted sheet, my husband does that, shirts. I hang everything up.

• 29:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's a good way to avoid folding. You're like, I'm just gonna put it on a hanger.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  I'm gonna put it on a hanger.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  I don't have to deal with this.

• 29:51Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Now that I think of it, I have a built in dresser that I had built in my closet, but that's just for like things that don't wrinkle, like workout clothes and underwear and bras and swimsuits. Yeah, I don't fold clothes clothes.

• 30:05Speaker 04

  No, same.

• 30:06Laci Mosley?

  Shirts that are way too tight to have a wrinkle. It's like I put it on and it just like formulates to my body. One day I'll stop dressing like a hoochie.

• 30:14Speaker 04

  No, never.

• 30:15Laci Mosley?

  You're right, hoochie till I die.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, come on.

• 30:17Laci Mosley?

  Till I die. All right, Misha, here is another scam story. I just need a fake name for this person.

• 30:27Speaker 04

  Okay, how about Jason?

• 30:30Laci Mosley?

  Jason. I feel like you kind of had the energy of what these stories are because you've kind of mentioned topics that they're all correlating to because now we're getting into student loans.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Oh, shit.

• 30:42Laci Mosley?

  So Jason says, here's an awful email scam I received. We know Donnie ain't forgiving these student loans. Most likely he's trying to privatize them. This is clearly trying to target uninformed student loan borrowers as if university degrees were not a scam enough for us. I wanted to send this along so people could be aware. Right now, my student loan is on pause with the save plan and I don't believe any forgiveness will happen in this dictatorship.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 31:08Laci Mosley?

  Brief and, and very real, too real.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  To the point, yes.

• 31:13Laci Mosley?

  Some would say. So Jason says, this is the email that Jason got. Jason, first and last name. Okay, so we'll say Jason Bourne.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 31:24Laci Mosley?

  Jason Bourne, comma, it's Elsa with the student loan debt department. This is regarding your case number 97399. We tried to contact you at your home and did not hear back. Your student loans, all one word, have been flagged as possibly eligible for forgiveness under the new 2025 guidelines. Your file will remain open in my system for only one more day. You know, you gotta put some time restraints on it so people don't have time to think.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  Act quickly, act quickly.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  Because you know that's how student loans work. Like you gonna pay forever, but we'll forgive you if you call us in the next 12 hours.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  You got 13 and a half minutes.

• 32:10Laci Mosley?

  Your grandchildren will be paying for this, but you have 30 minutes? So, please give me a call on Tuesday during the afternoon at, and then a number. It says, we can take your call between the H and then hours is on another line. So, put it together, what is that?

• 32:38Speaker 04

  Hours?

• 32:39Laci Mosley?

  Great, amazing, giving points, giving points, Jess, points on the board.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 32:43Laci Mosley?

  Of 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Pacific Standard, Monday through Friday. Thank you, Elsa. So Elsa, there's already too many type of us here. One, the email structure is very bizarre. Two, how you just gonna throw out a random case number? Like, first of all, you know, nobody knows their case number for anything.

• 33:05Speaker 04

  Not, it could be, I actually have an inheritance coming and I wouldn't know what that case number is.

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 33:11Speaker 04

  Absolutely not. Also Elsa, how are you expecting Jason to call you from 8 p.m. to 5, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on a Tuesday? Because we have to work to pay these student loans. We have jobs. We don't have time to call you about this. Just forgive them and let me go.

• 33:28Laci Mosley?

  I remember I was bartending and student loans called me. I had one loan for housing because I went to school. I'm saying it again, y'all, on what? If you was to talk, yes, scholarship. That's for that one person who tweeted me saying they were annoyed with that. Just for you babes, you thought I'd forget, I'm petty, I'll do it forever. So, they called me, I was like bartending at Karma Lounge. And they called me and they were like, and that was when they used to do like pauses on your loans. Obviously, I don't have to worry about a loan now, but like they would do a pause. I was like 20 at the time. So I ca- they called and I was like, uh, hey, they were like, hey, so we're just trying to see like if what your job and income is looking like. Um, because you know, we want to start up the auto payments on your student loan.

• 34:12Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, well, I'm an, I'm an actor, um, I'm aspiring and wow, I started there. That is all I said. That's all I said. And the student loan person on the phone was like, okay, girl, so we're gonna do a pause. Okay, we'll call you back in six months to see where like, I was, it was so shady.

• 34:33Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 34:35Laci Mosley?

  I didn't even finish the sentence. She was like, oh, girl, okay, girl, so we'll put you on a pause. All right. And so will we contact, I was like, ma'am, okay, this is rude, but yes, go ahead and,

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, hit, hit that two lines and pause. Thank you.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you can double up that six months, that would be great.

• 34:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just don't call me ever. How about that vibes?

• 34:56Laci Mosley?

  Um, but also here, you told me, Elsa, to give you a call on Tuesday during the afternoon. Then you gave me a number and said I could call anytime between eight and five P M Pacific Standard, Monday through Friday, which is it, Elsa? When do you, when do you want me to call you?

• 35:16Speaker 04

  I don't know, maybe in the,

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  What do you mean call you back? You're not my bestie. Talk about hit me back in the afternoon, girl, I'm gonna be free.

• 35:25Laci Mosley?

  Now you can hit me Monday through Friday, but you only got 24 hours, so call me on Tuesday in the afternoon. But also this, we are open at these times.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  Also, we contacted you at your home.

• 35:36Laci Mosley?

  How did you contact me in my home? Did you?

• 35:38Speaker 04

  Did you knock on the door?

• 35:39Laci Mosley?

  Hello?

• 35:39Speaker 04

  And then, and then, you know, we didn't leave you any contact information, but we haven't heard back from you. So you, yeah, you, 14 minutes.

• 35:46Laci Mosley?

  Knocking? I was like, Jason, Jason, it's me, Elsa from student loans. Hello, do you want to be forgiven? You got 15 minutes. What are you talking about?

• 35:59Laci Mosley?

  How did you contact me at my home?

• 36:01Speaker 04

  Oh geez.

• 36:02Laci Mosley?

  You sent a le- like, so much doesn't make sense. The email's very short. Obviously, there's many typo errors here. Y'all already know, in the, in the time of orange, which is where we are, they're not forgiving anything, babes. They don't even want you to have eggs. They're not, the chickens aren't forgiving you.

• 36:18Speaker 04

  No, the economy is crashing on purpose. Come on.

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  Literally.

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• 38:30Laci Mosley?

  All right, we've got another one. This one's a little bit longer. Misha, you got a name for me?

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Let's do Sarah.

• 38:39Laci Mosley?

  Sarah, I like Sarah. Sarah, won't you smile for me? Sarah, that's the song. Okay, so it says, hi, Lacey and wonderful guest. Misha, that's you. Very wonderful. Sarah says, I'm emailing about a scam that just happened to my dad. I literally got off the phone call where he told me about it and went, oh, my God, I have to tell scam. God, it's not you immediately. I love that. While it's fresh in your mind, snitch on your friends and family. So it says, my dad got a text from his cell phone provider, in quotes, saying, hey, fill out this survey and you'll have a chance to win a prize. Have you ever filled out one of those surveys?

• 39:17Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:18Laci Mosley?

  I'm just like, this is free labor. Give me money if you want my feedback. Give me money.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am a very, I am a skeptical person. I am like, I am, I'm a very positive person and I believe the best in people when I meet them. But if I, anything that comes to my inbox, the second my phone rings, if it's important, you will leave a voicemail.

• 39:37Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And then maybe I'll listen to half of it or read it and delete it. So that's that. I don't answer numbers I don't know unless I'm in production. Not doing it. So Sarah says, he clicks the link. Oh, no, in parentheses, I told you about clicking them links. He goes in and he does the survey and what a surprise. He wins. Then it says, okay, go ahead and pick your prize. You'll just have to pay $1 for it.

• 40:07Laci Mosley?

  Now, why I gotta pay? I just did the survey labor. I'm not giving you any money. Why do I have to pay?

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Classic scam. We gotta pay a little bit. We'll give you a lot more back.

• 40:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so much more. We don't have a dollar, but we do have 500 free dollars for you. We don't have a dollar, though.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, you just have to pay the, the, the processing fee is what it is.

• 40:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:28Laci Mosley?

  Cause on our end, it actually doesn't show that. And so we, we just, I'm holding the 500 dollars right now in my hand, ready to fax it into the computer, but you.

• 40:41Laci Mosley?

  You gotta give me that dollar first, baby. So there's a variety of things, a bunch of phones that he could take as his prize. But there's also another thing that is offered and it is a three-year Netflix subscription.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  So he opts for that because he's on fixed income, which, okay, Netflix goes up every year.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, in three years, that, that subscription's gonna be worth more than a phone.

• 41:08Laci Mosley?

  They need to stop calling it da-dung, just start calling it cha-ching. Cause every time you go in, they be like, oh yeah, we've upped the price. It's the same stuff, new price.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:18Laci Mosley?

  Y'all get it. Y'all get how it's the same stuff, but then we gotta have more price. You understand?

• 41:25Speaker 04

  Right. We're Netflix.

• 41:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And I love Netflix. Keep casting me Netflix.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:30Laci Mosley?

  Y'all keep playing that cha-ching, okay?

• 41:34Laci Mosley?

  So he's on the very fixed income. He's only got basic cable and sports. So this is a good deal for her dad. It says, oh, I forgot that you actually have to pay 15 dollars. So once he clicks, once the dad clicks on that, he'll take the Netflix three years for free. Then it's like, actually, to get that da-dung, you gotta have to give us 15. So really, um, 16. So.

• 41:59Laci Mosley?

  Her dad was like, well, I just said $1, but I'm sure that's far less than actually paying for like, the whole three years of a subscription for Netflix, which it very much is. So the dad's like, why not? I'm still in it, right? Sarah says, oh no. There's a lot of oh no's in parentheses from Sarah.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  I feel that, Sarah. I feel that.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  As mile markers, as it gets worse.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  Take a break, take a drink.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  Literally, she was like, sell from a writer in quotes, oh no.

• 42:29Laci Mosley?

  She was like, do a survey, win a prize, oh no. Then he wins, oh no. They need a dollar, oh no. He chooses Netflix, they need fifteen dollars, oh no. Like, they're really like, and they also heighten in caps. It's like, some are like, uh oh, others are like, uh oh.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  So, her dad fills out the payment information and then wakes up the next morning and there's no money in his bank accounts. Fully cleared him out. He went into his bank and spoke to a teller and she said it looked like since he had never used his credit online in that way, it had already gotten flagged and his money was already back in his accounts. Oh, okay.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm sweating over here. I hated that.

• 43:13Laci Mosley?

  Right, spitting. And you know what? Good on, good on Pops for never using his card online, but he was like, three years free Netflix, y'all got me.

• 43:24Laci Mosley?

  And the bank was like, this don't look like you, Pops.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, good for him, because if it were me, they would be like, no, that's gone forever. You did that, you did that.

• 43:33Laci Mosley?

  We see your spending habits, they're all over the place. You definitely did this.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  But how lucky is that?

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  Right. So he goes, the dad says, okay, well, that's good, and goes home. And then that afternoon, gets a call from his bank's credit card fraud depo- department. I was about to say depotment, why was that happening? So dad, still unsure if that was real or not, asked if he made a charge of three hundred dollars. And he was like, what? Definitely not. So this is the fraud department calling him now. Now, mind you, he already called his bank directly and the bank was like, oh, you're good, Pops. Like, we, we know it wasn't you, we're gonna put the money back. But now the fraud department is calling him. And it was like, hey, um, did you spend this money? And the dad is like, okay, well, I already got a phone with the bank and they said I was good, so why are they calling me again?

• 44:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:23Laci Mosley?

  Banks typically don't work that hard.

• 44:25Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, Dad, please, please, please think about it. Think about it.

• 44:29Laci Mosley?

  So Dad is like, what? Definitely not. And hung up and walked to the bank again. Okay, Pops is old school. He's not just calling. He's pulling up at the bank.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  He did pull up. He walked in. He said, I need to speak with somebody, face to face.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  None of that phone bullshit. Give me one of them pins on a chain.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  I want to talk to Pam. I want to talk to Pam. Pam's been taking care of me for 25 years. I trust Pam.

• 44:54Laci Mosley?

  She know me.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  She knows.

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  And only Pam.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Yep, yep.

• 44:58Laci Mosley?

  So when Dad went into the bank, they were able to block the payment and lock down his card. But now he has to wait for a new one that will be issued, which is annoying. The bank said that they won't be able to refund the $15 since he did agree to pay that. But I was like, okay, you know, it's $15, right? So at least the worst is that he's only out of $15, but mostly he's just annoyed at the hassle and embarrassed that he fell for it. When he considers himself generally savvy enough to catch on when there's a scam. And the type of person to warn people about scams, like older folks at the care home and food banks that he volunteers for. Because I told him that, well, you always say there's always a scam out there for everyone. It just takes the right bait at the right moment in time. Oh, I'm glad that you shared that with him because he should not be embarrassed.

• 45:41Laci Mosley?

  He just wanted, listen, that the dung is getting more expensive. He thought he filled out the survey, he won.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. And these people are good at what they do.

• 45:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  You know, they know that if they just do it 300 times a day, they just need one person, you know, to be excited or be in a moment where like, yeah, their nerves are in their excitement, like, you know, clouds their judgment for a second. But definitely not embarrassing.

• 46:02Laci Mosley?

  Or maybe they're not paying attention. You know, people have a lot going on.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's kids crying, dogs peeing on the floor. Who knows?

• 46:09Laci Mosley?

  This one, it was convoluted because the person did, like, the scammer took them through lots of steps. First, impersonating the phone company. Then they must have had some kind of survey preset up on whatever fake website they were using. That late, that this person has went on go that it has several, you know, websites. Because then that website's linking to the payment one. Like, it's like, this is a scammer who sat down and was like, let me code. HTML A S C A M R O B B E R Y colon.

• 46:43Laci Mosley?

  They did some work. I wouldn't be embarrassed to fall for that.

• 46:46Speaker 04

  No. And you know what? In fact, I just did an episode on Enzite, which was a male natural enhancement pill.

• 46:53Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I remember that one.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  Back in the day with Smiling Bob. And the pills obviously did not work. And they would have a subscription where they didn't tell you you were going to be on a subscription. And people were just getting charged money month after month without realizing it.

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  But then when people would call in to cancel, they would have other people from their company pretend to be some pharmaceutical company being like, hey, just heard this wasn't working for you. We actually have another product that we think you should use. And it really was just another one of his company's products.

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  Can you imagine getting on the phone with the peen specialists? They're like, okay, but how, okay, you have the measuring tape. All right, all right. Okay, if you're gonna use the one that comes out of the coil, like you gotta make sure the base is at the, yeah, the, okay, are you shaved down there? Cause you really gotta hold it to, right to the skin.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Right to the skin. Give yourself every millimeter. Come on.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  Have you been measuring erect or flaccid?

• 47:53Speaker 04

  Are we talking?

• 47:56Laci Mosley?

  Cause the pills really work upon erection. Like you really can't measure unless it's erect. If it's like getting bigger. Have you phoned a friend? Any partners that you've had who were like, wow, different? Like, you should ask other people, because sometimes you can't feel when it's grown.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Sometimes the measuring tape lies. Yeah, you can't, you can't. It's not about the, it's not about the size. It's about the feeling. It's about the meaning behind it.

• 48:23Laci Mosley?

  Or a measuring stick. Are you in meters or feet?

• 48:27Speaker 04

  Are you in love? It is better when you're in love.

• 48:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. The oxytocin really helps it grow. And have you, have you tried our supplements that you're supposed to take with the penis pill? Cause that really enhances.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  No, we'll sign you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just $244 a month.

• 48:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's, that is so bizarre to be someone who's doing that to people. And also to have them on a monthly, like, extraction of money.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  Are you taking them in the morning?

• 48:56Speaker 04

  But this is what I'm saying.

• 48:57Laci Mosley?

  You gotta take them in the morning.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  The reason he was so, they was so popular was because it was the first time it was like over the counter, right? There was Viagra, but you had to go to the doctor. So they were really banking on that, that feeling of embarrassment of men and saying, you can get this without having to go and talk to somebody about your small penis.

• 49:13Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  He saw this moment, this like opportunity because of Viagra and was like, ooh, we can make, yeah, we can make some money.

• 49:20Laci Mosley?

  Cause they still, they still have legitimate companies that do do that where they're like,

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:24Laci Mosley?

  You're a man and you, we'll send it in a brown box and it'll say not dick stuff.

• 49:31Laci Mosley?

  None of your neighbors will know. And it's like, what? And like, this is not like to body shame anybody. It's just that they're preying on that shame.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:39Laci Mosley?

  Like you want to do something, enhance your physical appearance, especially when it comes to men. Like it, it boggles the mind how much they love, some men love to criticize, you know, women who, or anybody who likes to dress in any kind of femway or change their makeup or their hair, anything about their appearance to feel more grounded in their body or what they want to look like. Because that stuff exists for men too, but it's just like, they have to like, like if you want a bigger wipe, because you got a big ass or something, like you gotta get dude wipes.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Dude wipes, right? Just for men.

• 50:12Laci Mosley?

  Cause booty holes are gay. So, but, but if you're straight and you want to get the dirt off of it, dude, like what? Can't everyone just want to be hygienic? I don't think that's like,

• 50:25Speaker 04

  Like, it's okay.

• 50:25Laci Mosley?

  Particular.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  A clean butt is not gay. Okay?

• 50:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Everybody wants it. Everybody wants you to have a clean butt. I think everyone on the earth wants you to have a clean butt.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  You can have your cedar and tobacco smells on the wipes. It's okay. That can be the flavor you'd like, but just relax, honey.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  Cedar and tobacco booty wipes.

• 50:50Laci Mosley?

  It's crazy.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  It's crazy, but I'm sure it exists.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  But they probably exist.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  They're probably out there.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  It's just like the eye cream that they have for men. It's called War Paint. And it's like a eye moisturizing cream.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  I got their, I got their makeup.

• 51:04Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 51:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, it comes.

• 51:05Laci Mosley?

  Is it good?

• 51:06Speaker 04

  No, but to be fair, but um, the foundation brush is a literal paintbrush.

• 51:13Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  You can, you can caulk your, you can caulk your shower.

• 51:18Laci Mosley?

  Calk up that eye.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  And you can caulk up your eye with the same tool.

• 51:22Laci Mosley?

  Not, not it comes out and it's like a, a roller and a little, like a little paint tin. And that's how you gotta put on your, your mandation.

• 51:32Laci Mosley?

  You got a pimple? Put on this mandation.

• 51:37Laci Mosley?

  What are we doing?

• 51:39Speaker 04

  Just little pimple patches in the shape of footballs.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I'm sure if they don't have it yet, that's coming too. It's just like in the shape of a knife.

• 51:48Laci Mosley?

  Gets rid of blackheads.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  Teardrop. I've killed people.

• 51:53Laci Mosley?

  Definitely a teardrop. That's a good one.

• 51:57Laci Mosley?

  You want people to think you do murders while you clear up your skin. Now we've gone completely off the rails, but all right, we're gonna do one last listener letter here, Misha. I just need a fake name for this person.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Okay, how about Gavin?

• 52:17Laci Mosley?

  Gavin. I like Gavin. Okay, I'm actually gonna give you a choice. I have two left here. One is a little longer. Um, but it starts with, I've been reading to write in about this stupid pointless scam that sounds straight out of a Dr. Phil show. Um, and they, they really hate their family and talk about that a bit here. Um, and then I've got a shorter one that's about, um, working at Kohl's.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  Oh, um, let's go for the Dr. Phil one, because we've done some retail.

• 52:48Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yeah, we have done some retail. Okay, so this one's called Baby Bump Bamboozler. That's what they sent me.

• 52:56Laci Mosley?

  Okay. So it says, "Long time listener, first time writing in. I've been meaning to write about this stupid, pointless scam that sounds like it's straight out of Dr. Phil." And then Gavin says, "And I believe there may have been a similar situation on the Dr. Phil Show. I figured now is a great time, considering it's been more than six years and I don't care anymore and my dumb, fucking drunk bastard of an ex-boyfriend and his family can go to heaven because I don't want to see or party with them in hell."

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Okay. Okay, go to heaven.

• 53:26Laci Mosley?

  Gavin, why you wishing the people on the people in heaven, okay? Betty White don't deserve that. She went through enough on earth.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  There we go. That's true. Petty but with some grace. I like that though.

• 53:38Laci Mosley?

  So it says, "I'mma be in hell. I don't need them down there with me."

• 53:43Laci Mosley?

  I'm taking it there, okay? So Gavin says, "My ex was really close with a group of four brothers and their families. We would hang out with them several times a week. He was, he truly was loved by them and sort of like the fifth brother because he would never fuck off and was constantly couch surfing at their homes." Woo, you do not like your ex.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Not at all.

• 54:05Laci Mosley?

  Not that they were the fifth brother because they would never fuck off.

• 54:09Laci Mosley?

  Welcome to the family, so you won't leave.

• 54:14Laci Mosley?

  So, and then it says, "Men are a scam and this should have been a red flag as he will never get his shit together and live like a nomad. Really, my ex just shows up all the damn time because he was fucking drunk and so were they." Gavin, baby.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 54:32Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I feel like the scam here is that you wanted to just talk shit about your ex.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  Literally, it was like, I'm gonna-

• 54:37Laci Mosley?

  I haven't heard a scam yet. We're two paragraphs in, Gavin.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  The scam is men.

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I said the scam is you gonna read all air how much I hate this raggedy bitch and his family.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Not the raggedy bitch.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Tossing this man like a rag doll, okay. So, one of the brothers, because remember, these are his brothers because he refuses to leave their home. So, brother friends, one of the brother friends, we'll call him Jacob, was dating a girl, we'll call her Mariah. This was a very large family, all of the brothers had a multiple, like, multiple kids and majority of them being little girls. So, of course, this family is absolutely thrilled when Jacob and Mariah announce at a gender reveal that they will be expecting a baby boy. I want you to stop doing gender reveals with y'all's trash-ass men.

• 55:31Laci Mosley?

  Like, because this is really a cis couple thing, but like, please, because I'm so tired of like, yo baby gonna get on the internet in probably, what, two years, because the baby got the iPad by three?

• 55:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, uh huh.

• 55:42Laci Mosley?

  And they gonna find a video of their dad being disappointed that they're a girl, like...

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Seriously, could you imagine?

• 55:49Laci Mosley?

  Like, they always look sad, and I'm like, y'all are weird. Healthy is what we should be going for, just healthy, alive.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  Alive. Yours.

• 56:00Laci Mosley?

  Right, yours, big one, big one.

• 56:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that should be number one, yours.

• 56:07Speaker 04

  It's yours.

• 56:09Laci Mosley?

  It's healthy, alive.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  It's healthy, alive.

• 56:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so, this, of course, sounded too good to be true. And being the egotistical douchebag that Jacob is, it really did feel like Mariah was trying to please the family and stroke his ego. Okay, so you felt like it was too good to be true that Jacob was having a boy since all the other men in the family had had girls? Now, I will say we know that the men's semen decides the sex, which is also why I'm like, why are y'all mad? You spitting out girls.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  You did it.

• 56:40Laci Mosley?

  You did it.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  You did it.

• 56:42Laci Mosley?

  Boo. So, but also, not you being like, the...

• 56:48Laci Mosley?

  Did you get out your Punnet Square? Like, how do you know that this is not like genealogically possible? Like, mm-mm, it's been too many girls. They shooting girls. Ain't no way in hell Jacob done brought his bitch ass in here and had a boy. But you know what? You hate this family. I don't mind it. Everything's suspicious with them. We'll take it. So Gavin thinks that Mariah is just trying to stroke Jacob's ego and say that it's a boy. Months go by and Mariah really doesn't look anything more than like three or so months pregnant. One of the brother's wives, Anna, was actually a photographer and did a lot of boudoir and maternity photo shoots. Anna was even joking with Mariah stating, "I don't know how I'm supposed to take your maternity pictures when you don't look very pregnant." Mmm, shade.

• 57:32Laci Mosley?

  At about six or seven months mark, Jacob and Mariah had a baby shower at Anna's house. Now, why would y'all have the baby shower at the person who's already throwing you shade? Like, where's the baby?

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, that seems crazy.

• 57:45Laci Mosley?

  Mariah, of course, still didn't look more than about three months pregnant. And Jacob was nevertheless super excited, showing everyone recent sonogram images with Mariah's name on them. Having a baby shower that early on should have truly been the first red flag. Being that everybody was excited to have a little boy in the family, they received almost every single item on their target baby registry. So because of sexism, everybody was like, you know, we don't even care if she don't look pregnant for real. We're gonna go to this baby shower and we're gonna give them way more than we gave the people who had the girl children. Because ew, the women.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Okay, I also hate this family, so I'm... Boo!

• 58:25Laci Mosley?

  We, yeah, boo, we all hate them. Gavin, we on your side. We're on your side, okay? I'm gonna need them in purgatory, just in case things don't add up for me in heaven. You know? Wherever I go, I don't wanna meet them.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  Not about them.

• 58:38Laci Mosley?

  They could just float in the White Abyss. We don't, I don't think we ever need to know them. So Jacob was definitely not ready to be a dad and still continued to drink heavily, not spending much time with his pregnant girlfriend and being financially irresponsible. Both Jacob and Mariah were still living with their parents, but Mariah has signed a lease agreement for an apartment for her future family. Living with parents and getting pregnant, I know things happen in life.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:04Laci Mosley?

  Just feel like, you know, kids are really expensive. Condoms are cheaper. If you gotta, if you're living with your mama, I don't, I don't think you can be having unprotected sex.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, like, I get, like, wanting to save a few pennies, you know? But, yeah, let's try to avoid the babies.

• 59:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So Mariah and I were the only, so I is Gavin. Mariah and I were the only introverts of the group of brothers and their wives slash girlfriends. This is a whole cohort of like, this is at least 10 people. At some point during the baby shower, we were both sitting in the living room alone. And of course, all the drunks needed more booze. You keep calling these people drunks. Damn, okay, look, addiction is a disease, but I can tell that.

• 59:47Laci Mosley?

  I can tell the way you calling them drunks is like, these people are obnoxious. I'm, I'm, I'm seeing they're probably wrestling, somebody's really red in the face, cussing people out. You know, they seem like obnoxious people when they get intoxicated, like.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, saying something bigoted, for sure.

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, a lot of hard Rs getting thrown around up in this scenario.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  I think so, I think so.

• 1:00:09Laci Mosley?

  So, they gotta go get more booze. I tell them that it's so incredibly fucked up to send a pregnant lady to go buy beer. So I accompany her to the nearby 7-Eleven. So they send the pregnant lady to get the beer because they're like, we're drunk. Okay, at least they're not trying to drink, drink and drive. They were like, we'll send the pregnant lady.

• 1:00:28Laci Mosley?

  I feel like there's some other options in there, Postmates or something, but okay, we're gonna send the pregnant lady. All right. So during our short drive, she was venting to me about how she doesn't think Jacob is ready to be a dad. And she knows he's never going to change his toxic machismo ways. And she was thinking about leaving him. Being young and naive, I told her to do what she think is best for herself and her future baby, and that I promised not to say a word. I don't think that's young and naive. I think that's a nice thing to say to someone who's clearly not in a great situation.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  So weeks after the baby shower go by and Mariah and Jacob move in together. Now, Mariah girl, don't ask me for another vice no more. Now you done shacked up with him. My name's Bennett, I'm not in it. And I can only assume things might have not been going so well because the following series of events that occurred. About a month after the baby shower, my ex calls me crying in a panic, freaking out because Jacob is absolutely devastated. Mariah had lost the baby. Given that it had been seven or eight months at the mark, that would mean that the baby was almost full term pregnancy. Things were not adding up. I, of course, asked questions like if Mariah was in any medical danger, no one seems to know the straightforward answer. If you lose a baby that late, you have to go to the hospital.

• 1:01:43Laci Mosley?

  And so sorry if this is like catching any memories for anyone listening to this because it's obviously a very serious thing. But yeah, at that point, she, Ms. Girl would have to be at a hospital.

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's not an early on thing. This isn't just like, and nobody, and nobody knows the answers? That is suspicious.

• 1:02:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Allegedly, she went for a routine appointment and was told that she miscarried long ago. Mariah did not want to see anyone, specifically Jacob's family. As the event started to unfold, it was quickly revealed Mariah was actually pregnant but miscarried in the first trimester. She worked in medical billing at the hospital. It is believed that she was stealing other people's sonograms, passing them off and forging them as her own. She had lied and fooled everyone around her. And for what? I can only assume because she was a people pleaser and was maybe hoping that Josh would change. Needless to say, she got so many gifts from everyone. And for what? Everyone ended up getting scammed in some way. Anna, having an infant under one years old, ended up getting all of the gifts. Good for her, I guess. Not y'all took the gifts back?

• 1:02:47Laci Mosley?

  See, we knew Anna was shady from Juck. Remember Anna was like, I'm a photographer. How am I taking pictures of you if I can't see your stomach, girl? Anna came and repo'd this lady baby gifts.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  Well, fair. Wait, I'm wait, hold on. I need clarification. Are they saying that they all found out that she actually miscarried in the first trimester? Or that she, the story is that she was told she miscarried in the first trimester?

• 1:03:12Laci Mosley?

  So they all found out. It was quickly revealed that Mariah was actually pregnant for real, but miscarried in the first trimester. But she worked in medical billing at the hospital. So she's over here stealing whoever else's like sonograms. And they're like, oh ma'am, why are you printing out 12 copies? She's like, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. So here's one for you, one for the dad, one for me. Like she's stealing other people's sonograms, changing the name on them and saying that they're hers.

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  Diabolical.

• 1:03:40Laci Mosley?

  Now, remember Jacob ain't shit. So he's not giving me like responsible dad who's gonna go to the checkups with you at the doctor. So he probably never went with her.

• 1:03:51Laci Mosley?

  He drinking beers and being a ratchet. So she's just in there doctoring these at the hospital, which I'm sure is some kind of HIPAA violation or like crime.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  It has to be.

• 1:04:01Laci Mosley?

  So she's doctoring these up and passing them off and passing them off like, oh, oh, we got a new update. Oh, he kicked out. And they're like, did, did he? What's going on?

• 1:04:12Laci Mosley?

  So yes, but what's curious to me is that how did Anna come up on all the baby shower gifts so fast?

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  She also pulled up, she was not gonna do this over the phone. She wanted to go there. She wanted to speak face to face. She wanted Pam to go into the back and get me the gifts.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  Go into that vault and get me those presents that I bought.

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  This is wild. Now, this woman might have been traumatized. We don't know what she's going through. She clearly has a bad partner, like financial situation, probably in disarray. We don't know what that woman went through. So I'm not that hard on Mariah right now. But Anna, or Anna, no ma'am.

• 1:04:53Laci Mosley?

  You don't want to repo this lady, baby.

• 1:04:56Laci Mosley?

  You're crazy. So, "Good for her, I guess," says Gavin. "That family is trash, and she was smart enough to walk away, but she didn't have to do it like that. The situation where she was venting to me afterwards had me feeling like everything she did was just to gain sympathy. Jacob and Mariah were truly a match made in hell. Of course, though, Jacob's childish and not ready to be a father. He broke up with Mariah and went back to live with his folks. Though he is not a great human, I still feel for him and his family because of what this awful woman did. Wherever Jacob is now, I sincerely hope he went to therapy and even begins to heal his emotional damage caused by this scammer. It also cracks me the absolute fuck up, thinking that Jacob was rubbing Mariah's stomach, and there was no baby in there, just too many tacos, perhaps.

• 1:05:40Laci Mosley?

  Wherever Mariah is in life right now, I'm just glad we both got away from those brothers and their families. I also scam my ex in a sense because on that...

• 1:05:50Laci Mosley?

  Because more on that in another email. Now, what did you do? Man, our scam is fine, but maybe don't fake an entire pregnancy and fool everyone around you. Take care, Gavin. Now, Gavin, how you gonna throw in at the end? Okay, but I also did scam my ex and run away from the family. But that's for another email. Don't even worry about that.

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Also, it was like watching a tennis match. She's just like, "You know what? This ratchet bitch." To like, "But I hope that she's doing okay. I'm glad that she got away from that family."

• 1:06:16Laci Mosley?

  I really wish that ratchet-ass bitch well. Well.

• 1:06:22Laci Mosley?

  Like, what?

• 1:06:24Laci Mosley?

  Which is it, Gavin?

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Although, yeah, I think that's so crazy. I thought it was gonna go and they were just trying to scam people into getting the gifts so that they could resell them. I thought that was gonna be the scam.

• 1:06:37Laci Mosley?

  I did too. That's what I thought too. That's why when I was reading this, I was like, "Oh, twists and turns." Like, it is kind of Dr. Phil-ish, like, "Okay, I see where you're going with this."

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. But if we're like, struggling because... Like, think about it, if like, you become pregnant, and especially if the people that you're trying to impress, your boyfriend's family, is going crazy because it's finally a boy, you were receiving so much positive attention, and then all of a sudden, you're gonna lose that attention. And I can, you can, you can see, like, I can have empathy for somebody going through that, but it is still.

• 1:07:09Laci Mosley?

  And then also maybe thinking like, this relationship isn't going that well. These people strike me as younger. It's not going that well. If I say I don't actually have a baby in me, is Jacob still gonna stay with me? He's already not treating you that well. He got you going on beer runs when you got a full baby at your own baby shower. Why are you going on a beer run at your baby shower and you're pregnant? And y'all going to 7-Eleven to get the beers. It's never anybody safe outside of a 7-Eleven.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, but, but the gone girl level of stealing people's sonograms. Maybe that's a little far.

• 1:07:42Laci Mosley?

  Point, she committed to it a bit. It probably felt like espionage at that point.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. If it was my bestie and she were sat in front of me and told me that story, I'd be like, girl, I think we need to, I think we need to talk so much.

• 1:07:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we gotta, I don't have the expertise, so.

• 1:07:59Speaker 04

  I'm all for sticking it, all for sticking it to the man, but a little far, a little far.

• 1:08:03Laci Mosley?

  We're sticking it a little too deep. And so I need you, I need you to reel it back. I need you to reel it back.

• 1:08:09Laci Mosley?

  Imagine she handed somebody one of the sonograms that had her name on it and was like, oh, my bad. Oh, I changed it too early. Hold on, hold on, no, hold on.

• 1:08:16Laci Mosley?

  What's y'all name again? Okay, Sarah Jones. Yeah, no, this is still your baby. It's still your baby. I don't know why my name got put on there. Hold on. What are you doing?

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, that one was, whiplash from that one.

• 1:08:29Laci Mosley?

  Right? And I mean, Anna did come and repo to give, so it's not like, but I love that Anna wasn't like, oh, everybody can have their gifts back and return them to Target. Anna was like, no, I will be taking the gifts for my baby. Anna was probably sitting there the whole time. Just green with envy because she wanted all those gifts and all that praise. That's why she started tinkering at her at first, was like, oh, you don't really look that big for like, how am I gonna do your maternity shoot, girl? I feel like Anna probably wasn't even really a maternity photographer. She was just like, yeah, girl, I do that. Mostly we do nudes with the belly.

• 1:09:05Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Just that what if Anna knew about it? We have all types of conspiracies.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  What if Anna knew about?

• 1:09:13Laci Mosley?

  Anna wouldn't have picked up them gifts too fast.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  I, I, see, I don't, good for her. Good, I think, good for her. You, she saw, she saw an opportunity and she seized it.

• 1:09:22Laci Mosley?

  Well, if Mariah was smart, she would have been like, yeah, it was all a hoax. And then y'all don't live together, so if the gifts are at your house, girl, take them gifts and go return them. That's pain and suffering for dealing with them people.

• 1:09:32Speaker 04

  Pain and suffering for dealing with us trash ass drunks.

• 1:09:36Laci Mosley?

  Literally. I feel like Anna came over there to the guys and like, oh my God, girl, are you okay? I feel like she told Anna what happened and Anna told the whole family and then Anna was like, well, girl, the family told me to take all these gifts, so I'mma just, um, load the truck up right now. Uh, Johnny boy, put the beer down. And then Johnny boy came in and took all the gifts away. Like she came over there to the guys and was like, hey, girl, how are you? Just checking on you. And she was like, this is what happened. She was like, that is so sad. Johnny! And then.

• 1:10:08Laci Mosley?

  Robbed Mariah immediately.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  Well, I do hope that I run into Mariah someday, cause she probably knows where to get a good taco.

• 1:10:16Laci Mosley?

  I hope I never run into Mariah because I don't want to be around nobody who commits suicide that hard.

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  She's, she's gonna steal my information, my identity.

• 1:10:24Laci Mosley?

  She is. And she work at the hospital? No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm Mariah. All right. Well, that brings us to the end of a very fun mailbag episode. As always, if you want to stitch on your friends, family, your exes, your enemies, people you damn to heaven. Um, [email protected]. Misha, thank you so much for being here today. We always ask, where do you want to be found? Any socials, things like that?

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can find me on all socials at your bestie Misha. And, uh, you can, yeah, check out my podcast, The Big Flop, featuring Lacey Mosley.

• 1:10:55Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's so good. I love your podcast and your social media. It's very fun. We need something to lighten the mood, cause the girls are, they just want to fight these days. I'm like, okay, y'all, we can't fight this much. Uh, as always, y'all, if you want to see, uh, this week, I'll put up something fun and interesting for y'all, since there's not going to be any photos, but, um, if you want to see the photos from previous. Episodes or any of my shenanigans from the podcast Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. If you want to talk to me, Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. If you want to follow me and my personal shenanigans, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms, y'all. All episodes of Scam Goddess are airing right now on Hulu. You can stream them at your leisure. Stream, tell a friend, spread the ministry, print out a pamphlet, get the word out. It's been doing really well.

• 1:11:39Laci Mosley?

  We trained it on Hulu for many weeks, so thank y'all for supporting. I appreciate it. And also watch Going Dutch. Going Dutch is also streaming on Hulu after it airs on Fox on Thursdays. And let me know if y'all figure out what the connection is between those shows, because there definitely is one. My book Scam Goddess, you can buy online right now or hit one of those bookstores and help the bookstores like Nisha helped the bookstores, okay? Well, buy it, but help them stay in business. Y'all know what I mean.

• 1:12:09Speaker 04

  Well, buy it.

• 1:12:10Laci Mosley?

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  Boosting love, boosting positivity.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 1:12:22Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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