The LA Rams are Super Bowl Champions: Aaron Donald is 1 of 1

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find It's the first weekend without football, so we had to drop something to close out the season and what better way than to do a show from the home of the Super Bowl Champion LA Rams! Defensive Coordinator Raheem Morris fresh off the Super Bowl parade sits down with Ryan, Channing and Fred for a celebratory conversation and look into the Rams comeback win against the Bengals. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 0:11Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man. So, so you get the ring.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:33Ryan Clark?

  Right? You got the ring.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  That's what happened.

• 0:34Ryan Clark?

  You had the parade.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what just happened.

• 0:36Ryan Clark?

  I mean, so what's the next step?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  I cussed in the parade. I apologized to the people that wasn't ready for the parade.

• 0:40Ryan Clark?

  What'd you say?

• 0:40Speaker 02

  You know, sometimes I...

• 0:41Ryan Clark?

  You can say it on our show.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Sometimes I make people stand the [bleep] up.

• 0:44Ryan Clark?

  But you gotta stand the [bleep] up.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  It is what it is.

• 0:46Ryan Clark?

  You say it for me.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  It is what it is.

• 0:48Channing Crowder?

  He don't say [bleep]. You gotta stand the [bleep] up.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  He can't. I know. He's a muscular and a...

• 0:52Ryan Clark?

  He's just [bleep].

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Like, I coached this guy. I know who he is.

• 0:55Channing Crowder?

  He called me a mother [bleep] for, right?

• 1:20Ryan Clark?

  We back on the pivot, and this was important to me. This is my favorite DB coach of all time, and more importantly, a recent world champion, Raheem Morris, defensive coordinator of the Los Angeles Rams. And so, we need to do this for you right now, though.

• 1:37Fred Taylor?

  Big salute, baby.

• 1:39Ryan Clark?

  Big salute. Congrats, man. So, so tell me what you're feeling right now. How's it feel?

• 1:43Speaker 02

  You know, you really don't understand how you feel right now. You know, it's like, um, you just got more exuberance for everybody else. You know, like, you think about Aaron Donald, you think about Jalen Ramsey, you think about the struggle that people went through and like, trying to get that thing and happen, make it happen. So, I'm just so fired up for those guys, man. I can't even like, enjoy it myself, but...

• 2:08Speaker 02

  It is an awesome feeling, Ryan. Like, and you know it. You won this thing. You've done it before. I've coached you. We've been through that fire. Like, I'm just so fired up about everything that happened, man. Like, for everybody involved with the organization, with the people that's involved, with the characters, all the people, man. Like, I'm so, I'm so happy, man. I can't, I can't, I can't express my words.

• 2:32Fred Taylor?

  You see Freddie, how they leaving us out?

• 2:35Ryan Clark?

  Because we was talking about people that won championships.

• 2:37Channing Crowder?

  I know, but I ain't know Ryan was gonna just straight up leave us out, like he was gonna talk to you directly.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  I ain't even wanna be disrespectful.

• 2:44Fred Taylor?

  You know what?

• 2:45Speaker 02

  You can't be disrespectful to people that didn't win it. Because like, you guys paved the way. Like, you made us wanna get it even more. Because like, I know, I know the greatness in the room. Like, and like Freaky Fred, like I remember trying to tackle this cat, man. Like, it ain't that kinda guy, man.

• 2:59Fred Taylor?

  And no disrespect taken. Thank you for allowing us in your home.

• 3:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, man.

• 3:03Fred Taylor?

  You know, I know, I saw a story where they saying...

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, this ain't cribs, baby. This my crib.

• 3:10Fred Taylor?

  This is the definition of Rams House. I know where they were putting that on, near the Hollywood sign. You guys deserve it, man. Job well done. I was gonna say, this time of the year is probably the only time of the year I really get depressed.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:25Fred Taylor?

  I get depressed because I was never able to accomplish what Ryan accomplished, what you've accomplished as a coach, and that's to win the championship. I enjoy watching the game, but all the shit after? The celebration? You on the, I seen you on the float.

• 3:42Ryan Clark?

  Cussing.

• 3:42Fred Taylor?

  He's still floating.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I cussed once.

• 3:46Fred Taylor?

  But for me, it's depressing.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I probably shouldn't have. I probably shouldn't have. I apologize for the cussing, but...

• 3:50Fred Taylor?

  What you apologizing for?

• 3:52Speaker 02

  I mean, but it is what it is, man.

• 3:53Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you in your element.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  It's the enthusiasm of it all, man. It's like, I want everybody to feel like what we feel. Like, like, I want you to be a part of it. Like, so when I'm talking to you, I'm talking to Ryan, I'm talking to, I'm talking to all the cats, man. You know what I mean? Like, I want everybody to feel that love and like how you feel when you win that game. To see Aaron Donald today, to see Jalen Ramsey after the game, and like to see him after what happened. Like, those people, they don't get a chance to express that.

• 4:17Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Because you put in this pedestal, you know? Like, and like, you can't, you can't be yourself. Like today, man, I was myself, man.

• 4:24Fred Taylor?

  It's acceptable, and I think you, it's well deserved. You know, you've traveled, you've done so much, you know, for the game. You know, the coaches, the people that look like us, and we'll talk about that later. But man, get cuss.

• 4:41Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 4:41Fred Taylor?

  Like, he don't cuss. Did you teach him that when you was coaching?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  The guy don't cuss. The guy'll give you a muskraner. He'll throw a whole bunch of things out there that's like cussing, you know what I mean? He'll buy you dinner before he cuss at you. Like, it's unbelievable.

• 4:53Ryan Clark?

  Muskraner?

• 4:54Speaker 02

  That's what he say.

• 4:54Ryan Clark?

  What's that?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  But he'll, he'll bring me throw it out there though. I mean, it's unbelievable.

• 5:01Ryan Clark?

  But it's your second though.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Second.

• 5:04Ryan Clark?

  You got a ring, but being the DC though. Like, you was in Tampa, was that Lane Kiffin, right?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  No, it was Monty.

• 5:11Ryan Clark?

  Monty, I'm sorry, Monty.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  His daddy.

• 5:13Channing Crowder?

  That's his paw.

• 5:14Ryan Clark?

  His daddy, old man. I go lane, I'm a puppy.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 5:17Ryan Clark?

  I don't know how you ain't got no grades.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Let me give Monty his recognition, his true recognition he needs to have. Because Monty Kiffin was one of those guys that he made calls. He did all that good stuff, but like, the preparation, like, the stuff that he taught me. The annoyance that he was for me, like, it all helps till this day. Because those are all the things I talk about now, like.

• 5:39Ryan Clark?

  Right. When you were under Monty, like, what was your position on the staff?

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Man, when I first got there, I was a QC. You know, Mike Tomlin.

• 5:46Ryan Clark?

  That's quality control.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Quality control.

• 5:48Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  You know, he's talking about like, Mike Tomlin was the DB coach. Rod Manley was the D-line coach. Joe Barry was the linebacker coach. Monty Kiffin was the D-coordinator. Rod Manley was the D-line. I mean, we had names that was unbelievable. The experiences that I got, I got to hang out with those guys was unparalleled to anything that you could think about. I can't even fathom how fun that was. You know what I mean? Like, it's unbelievable.

• 6:11Ryan Clark?

  How different is this championship or Super Bowl from that one though? Because you the DC now, bro. Like, you are, you are making the calls as Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, Joe Mixon are driving to score the winning touchdown.

• 6:27Channing Crowder?

  And RC, and that's his call.

• 6:30Ryan Clark?

  That's his call, right.

• 6:30Channing Crowder?

  This whole, I saw you sent four. You kept sending four early, and I saw later on you worked it two and sent five. We know football, Rob. Like, we know football now.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Hey, listen, when they couldn't block Ernest Jones. Let's send Ernest Jones. Let's put these guys on one side. Let's form these fronts and make them block us. Because if we can send enough people at them, they're gonna have a problem.

• 6:52Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  But I can't diminish the fact of a Super Bowl. Like, I don't care what you do in a Super Bowl. If you're a part of it, it is, it is relevant. Like, you the quality control. You can be the DB coach. You can be the coordinator, the head coach. I'm just telling you, you can't diminish the fact of what it is. You know, like, 37, 56, mine forever.

• 7:15Channing Crowder?

  Right, both of them.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  I don't care what y'all talking about.

• 7:17Channing Crowder?

  But 56, 56 is better.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  56 is sweet.

• 7:21Channing Crowder?

  Because you the man.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  56 is sweet.

• 7:23Channing Crowder?

  Calling defense that held an NFL team in 2022 to 20 points.

• 7:27Fred Taylor?

  In LA, though.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  That's big walk.

• 7:30Fred Taylor?

  What was your nerves like the night before? I played some bush playoff games.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  No, you didn't.

• 7:36Fred Taylor?

  Nah, no, they were meaningful. And I was nervous against the Steelers. I'm walking around downtown, I couldn't sleep.

• 7:42Channing Crowder?

  Was it probably like super easy? Because you knew me and Troy wasn't gonna play, though?

• 7:46Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I ain't worried about y'all.

• 7:47Channing Crowder?

  Did you feel good? Okay, cool.

• 7:48Fred Taylor?

  I ain't worried about y'all. I respect y'all, but I ain't worried about y'all.

• 7:51Channing Crowder?

  I respect that.

• 7:52Fred Taylor?

  It was just, I wanted to perform.

• 7:54Channing Crowder?

  And you did.

• 7:55Fred Taylor?

  And I know it was on the line, but Super Bowl, it's world championship.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  I will say this. It was, it was less about the nerves of like what I felt. It was more about what it meant for the city, what it meant for Sean McVay. Sean McVay had a chance to take Mike Tomlin to be the youngest coach to win a Super Bowl, right? And I got a chance to come here and help him do that. And I remember when I got the job, I told him, I said, "I'm coming here to win the championship, nothing else. I'm not coming here to lead the league in defense. I'm not coming here to do all those things and get the recognition for myself." I said, "I want to win a championship, like, for you." Because he deserved it. Like, I was with this man when he was young. And he is honorable of it. He's deserving of it. He's a great coach. Like, he's got great leadership skills. And like, I wanted to win a championship for him and help him do it. Like, that was where my nerves were. It was more about helping other people, not about me.

• 8:43Fred Taylor?

  The, the people that trusted and believed in you.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Exactly. I wanted to make those people feel relevant, make those people feel important, and make those people feel like, "We about to win this shit." I know you don't cuss, Ryan, but that's what I felt.

• 8:56Fred Taylor?

  But even in this matchup... As great as you guys' offense is, it all came down to the defense. And the pressure was gonna always be on your shoulders. You have some great players, some very good players, but you gotta put them in those positions, which a lot of people that are probably watching this, they don't necessarily understand. They just expect these players to go make plays. But they have to be put in the right situations.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Fred, the preparation goes down during the week. You know, like when Aaron Donald comes in on Tuesday, and he sits in the room with Eric Henderson, his D-line coach, and he talks about where he can align, and how he's gonna align, and how he's gonna create the pressure. And we talk about where Flo's gonna be, and where Vaughn's gonna be, and who we gonna send, and like what Greg Gaines is gonna do. And then all the elements, A'Shawn Robinson, all the elements that we have involved with that, like, that's huge. Because he understands the whole aspect of everybody and how they fit into the picture, right? We got great players. Like, make no mistakes about it, Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, great players. Like, they legendary, no matter what happened, in this game or not, right? But when those dudes care more about their teammates

• 10:11Speaker 02

  than themselves, that's what makes it different.

• 10:13Channing Crowder?

  But, Ra, I gotta ask you this, man. In that front seven, you brought it up. Flo, Vaughn Miller, Aaron Donald. You got those dogs up front, like...

• 10:23Fred Taylor?

  And we can't minimize what Gaines did.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Ain't no doubt.

• 10:27Channing Crowder?

  And Gaines, A'Shawn Robinson, you brought him up. I love that you bring up the big boy, the big man in there fighting.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  A'Shawn Robinson, in that game, may have been the best player in the Super Bowl.

• 10:36Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 10:37Channing Crowder?

  But he was fighting, though.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  Go watch him.

• 10:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Throwing hands.

• 10:41Channing Crowder?

  And that's what it is, fighting them double teams, whooping people. He's also 70 years old, and he's only 27.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  26.

• 10:48Channing Crowder?

  He's the current Channing Crowder of football.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  100%.

• 10:53Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah. No, that's the George Mira sign. When you that big, you get old fast. When you that big, you get old fast, Ra, like...

• 11:01Speaker 02

  That is Ricky Rosé, baby.

• 11:04Channing Crowder?

  But I wanna ask you, like, when you have that much talent, bro, how do you, like... Like you see a matchup, or you see a mismatch, or you see this, and I know AD, Aaron Donald go outside, you put him in, you put him inside. Like, how do you manage those guys, pre-snap, post-snap, when you have that much talent? These, RC's a back four guy, he loves to cover, zero catch, and cover four. Bro, I love that front seven. I love it. How do you manage that when you have so much talent? How do you line up where you're gonna put a guy, knowing he gonna make a play?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  I'll say this, they have no ego. They don't. Aaron Donald, Flo, you know, Vaughn Miller. Vaughn plays in the left, Flo played in the left his whole career. Like, to watch those two figure out who's going to the left, who's going to the right, like, is unparalleled, nothing.

• 11:54Ryan Clark?

  Was there something you left up to them, though, Rod?

• 11:56Speaker 02

  So, a lot of it's left up to them. You know, like, in the situation, in the moment, and what we gonna do. You got your phone going?

• 12:02Channing Crowder?

  Is your phone ringing, bro?

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Hey, there's some hood ass.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  That man's phone went off in the middle of a TV broadcast.

• 12:11Channing Crowder?

  That was my 5 a.m. alarm back in Miami.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 12:14Channing Crowder?

  5 a.m. I don't, I don't know the transition here. I think we in China right now. I don't know what's going on.

• 12:19Ryan Clark?

  So, so your number's like Freddie numbers now?

• 12:21Channing Crowder?

  This time change stuff coming out here with these mountains in the back. Can y'all please show these mountains in the back? This is the happiness of Florida.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  It is beautiful.

• 12:29Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I don't know what's going on right now. I actually asked Rod to adopt me. I don't know if a grown man can adopt another grown man.

• 12:34Ryan Clark?

  That's why you was jumping on the trampoline with his kids before we started?

• 12:37Channing Crowder?

  Randolph, Channing, Morris the Third.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Hey, I got you, man.

• 12:43Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you got, I know you got room upstairs.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  Hey, we got plenty of room for you, man.

• 12:46Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay, yeah. But I'mma, I'mma bring something in every now and then.

• 12:49Ryan Clark?

  And so Rod, stop it, stop it, bro.

• 12:51Channing Crowder?

  I know, I'm married, I'm married.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  It is what it is.

• 12:53Ryan Clark?

  And so Rod.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  I love your wife.

• 12:55Ryan Clark?

  And so Rod, so you look at where you are now.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:59Ryan Clark?

  You coached me in Washington.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Man.

• 13:00Ryan Clark?

  It was more like twins, you know, running a DB room.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  I can't say I coached you. You helped me more than I helped you. Your process helped me. Like, it let me know what a guy should look like every day coming to work. It let me know, like, how you prepare, how you do your deal, how you go through all your due diligence to get ready to play and get ready to practice. Your process was unbelievable. Like, so, like, coaching you was so much fun, because all I had to do was get you to the game, get you a little bit of success, and then you thought I did something. To me, like, I'm like, let me put this guy in a position just to make one play, because he'll give me credit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not like that. Like, like, this cat helped me more with his preparation. Like, who you were. Like, everybody know you as this cat on SportsCenter, and like, who you are, like, with these clean-ass suits.

• 13:49Ryan Clark?

  I appreciate that, though.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Man, look at him. Boy, you clean. You weren't clean as me, but...

• 13:54Ryan Clark?

  Well, first off, I'm cleaner than you, and I'm for sure cleaner than Channing, because I've never seen a polo man with a green shirt on.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  Hold on, hold on. But when you came to DC, me and Dee Hall already had it on lock. And you just kind of helped us. You added to the picture. But...

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 14:24Speaker 00

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• 14:43Speaker 02

  You're a little bit clean on SportsCenter.

• 14:45Ryan Clark?

  But Rob, how you think about this Catholic shirt? This Catholic priest shirt with no white on the top?

• 14:50Speaker 02

  You know, like, he has different style. Like, he can change it up.

• 14:52Ryan Clark?

  But that's ridiculous.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna hate on the guy, because like, every... Once in a while, people gonna be wearing that next week.

• 14:58Ryan Clark?

  Because that's what he do.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  They gonna wear it because of him?

• 14:59Ryan Clark?

  That's what he do. So, Rob, so, Rob, I'm ignoring Channing. So, when you think about players you've coached?

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:06Ryan Clark?

  You've coached in Tampa, where there were the Simeon Rice's and the Warren Saps, the Ronde Barbers and these guys. And, like, I truly believe you coached one of the greatest defensive players of all time, in Aaron Donald.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:21Ryan Clark?

  Who's the best defensive player you've ever coached?

• 15:25Speaker 02

  I just said this the other day. It's hard to compare errors.

• 15:28Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Because Warren Sapp in our era was one of the most dominant guys we've ever seen. And you don't want to discredit what Simeon Rice did for Warren Sapp. You don't want to discredit what Greg Spires did for Warren Sapp. You don't want to discredit.

• 15:41Ryan Clark?

  Greg Spires is huge.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  You don't want to discredit what Ellis Wims. You don't want to discredit Charchik Darby, you know, Anthony McFarland. You know Derrick Brooks was lined up right behind Warren Sapp. And I remember Derrick Brooks telling me like, I know where that three technique is going to be. Like where he's going to be every time.

• 15:56Ryan Clark?

  And the thing is too though, y'all played that nickel with that tap too. So Rondé benefited off of it.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  So now Rondé's on the other side, right? So now Rondé's on the side. Now, now, let's not even, let's not even act like Rondé's not a Hall of Famer. Because what Rondé Barber did, he changed the game when it comes to nickel. Let's not even kid him. Him and Antoine Winfield. Yeah. Not even close. Those two players changed the game when it comes to, when you talk about a star, a nickel. Whatever you want to call them. Unbelievable, right? So Shelton Corals. And then you go to the back end, now you're talking about like John Lynch, Brian Kelly, Dwight Smith.

• 16:33Ryan Clark?

  Damn.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 16:34Ryan Clark?

  Whiteface.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Whiteface.

• 16:35Ryan Clark?

  Whiteface.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Right, like Dexter Jackson.

• 16:38Ryan Clark?

  You are beating around the bush. Who's the best defensive player you've ever coached?

• 16:43Channing Crowder?

  RC, he can't do it. I want to give you a Mount Rushmore.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  Go ahead. No, no, no, let him, let him answer RC. No, no.

• 16:49Channing Crowder?

  The best ever? I don't know. Can you do the best ever? Can you do the best ever?

• 16:53Speaker 02

  It's one of one. Aaron Donald, he's one of one.

• 16:58Ryan Clark?

  Best you've ever seen.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable, like what he does. Like he can do abnormal stuff and make it right.

• 17:04Ryan Clark?

  Well, he's 280 and got a six pack, so that's abnormal.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  You know you're going to get, before all of this is. Warren probably texting me right now. Right now, he texting you right now. But Warren was not him, just because Warren didn't work out like this man. Got it. Warren was just, Warren was natural, man. Punt return. What? At 280, Sapp returned punts. Unbelievable. He do it all. And I mean, and you know, like, like Warren is like. I mean, the man came to the stadium and just waved his arm and they said, "Warren."

• 17:33Fred Taylor?

  Right, right. That's my big dog. I jet skied at his place.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:37Fred Taylor?

  Before my rookie year. And I told him, I said, "I'm gonna have 150 on y'all." And you was there on the staff. I went out there, first play of the game, four yard loss.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 17:47Fred Taylor?

  Second play of the game, four yard loss. He was like, "Remember that check?" I said, "I told you don't write a check, your ass can't cash."

• 17:53Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 17:54Fred Taylor?

  And it was an amazing game.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  Listen.

• 17:55Fred Taylor?

  But he's just a dog.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Sap, Sap was, Sap is unbelievable. Like, and AD is unbelievable.

• 18:03Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Like, I even hate even comparing the two. Like, I wish they could have played in the same era. I wish they could have played together. I wish they could have played around each other. I wish they could have seen each other and got a respect.

• 18:14Fred Taylor?

  So AD is the top dog. What was your mindset and the emotions that went through you when they said, "I think we can get Vaughn Miller?"

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Oh, man. So, when they said it at first, I was like, "Come on, Sean, stop playing on me." That was my initial thought, you know? Like, chill out. Like, y'all joking.

• 18:30Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  And then, the next thing I know, this man is in a press conference. Make no mistake about it, like, he respects Denver so much.

• 18:38Fred Taylor?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  You know, the emotion that he had leaving Denver, and like, how much that team meant to him.

• 18:44Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  And how much the organization. Like, you guys know, like, what Pittsburgh meant to you. Yeah, for sure. That's different. Jacksonville to you. Cause you win there. What? Right. Miami, that's different, right? And then when he left, the emotions for him, and then he had to come here and go to LA, he's like, "I love it, but I still feel a certain type of emotion," right? So we had to ease him into the thing, right? Ease him to the, to the, to the game, right? And to watch him, what he turned into throughout the process, is absolutely unbelievable. Like, he's a freak.

• 19:17Channing Crowder?

  Do you change your defense? I'm asking no guy.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 19:20Channing Crowder?

  Do you change your defense? Like, cause you got Jalen. Jalen came from Jags.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  You know what's crazy about it? You don't gotta change the defense for a great player. They change the defense. Here's the other part too, though. They change it here. They change the defense. They change the defense. Like, that man came in here, figured out what we do. He, he, he was so locked into what we call things, what we do, how we do it, what we, what we wanna do. Like, he was asking questions at meetings. Like, it was like weird. Like, he's stopping to meet and asking the question. I'm like, "Who was that?" I'm like, "That's Vaughn Miller." Like, he asking me a question in the meeting, like, I'm in front of all the cats and he asking the question. And then all of a sudden... Stuff clicked.

• 19:53Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  And then he go out there and he's making moves, he's making rush moves, he can't be blocked. Then it was like, okay, he didn't get to the quarterback this week, but like, then the next week happened. Like in the Super Bowl, he had two sacks. I don't even know if y'all know.

• 20:04Ryan Clark?

  Well, I was there.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  But I don't even know if people know.

• 20:07Ryan Clark?

  I know.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable.

• 20:09Channing Crowder?

  But we had, let's not act like we don't know. He had seven in the Super Bowl.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  We had seven sacks.

• 20:14Channing Crowder?

  Seven sacks.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:15Channing Crowder?

  Could've had, could've had 10. I was counting, I was counting.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Stats are for losers. I'm not into that.

• 20:19Channing Crowder?

  You don't get into stats?

• 20:20Speaker 02

  No. You know that.

• 20:21Channing Crowder?

  You just get into wins and losses.

• 20:23Fred Taylor?

  Have you watched the film? Do Super Bowl champs watch the film?

• 20:26Channing Crowder?

  I like, I like this one, Freddie. I like this one, Freddie.

• 20:28Ryan Clark?

  I can tell you, I didn't see the, I've never seen the film of the Arizona, of Super Bowl 43.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm lying. I'll be lying to if I said I didn't. I did actually, because we were home.

• 20:39Fred Taylor?

  Got it.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  So like, being home is a different advantage.

• 20:42Fred Taylor?

  When did you, the next day?

• 20:43Speaker 02

  I mean, I was there. I was, we're here. So I was at the house, right?

• 20:46Fred Taylor?

  When did you have time to watch it?

• 20:47Speaker 02

  The Super Bowl ended, right? And you're at home. Like normally you go to a party because you got nowhere else to go. Like, I came home.

• 20:54Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  I did, right? So the next morning I woke up, I just wanted to watch the game. You know, like, let me see the game. So I actually watched this one because I was home. I would've never watched that thing if I was a man.

• 21:05Fred Taylor?

  How did you critique it, though?

• 21:07Speaker 02

  I didn't critique it.

• 21:08Fred Taylor?

  You just said.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  I didn't critique it.

• 21:09Fred Taylor?

  You just enjoyed it.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  I enjoyed it.

• 21:11Fred Taylor?

  It was your, um...

• 21:12Speaker 02

  It was the moment. It was like...

• 21:14Fred Taylor?

  You just let it play?

• 21:15Ryan Clark?

  As a fan. You watched it as a fan?

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:17Fred Taylor?

  Did you watch the TV copy or the cut-ups?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  The cut-ups. Coach's copy.

• 21:22Fred Taylor?

  Coach's copy.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Nothing better than a coach's copy.

• 21:24Ryan Clark?

  So Rod, like, the, the, the whole experience of being here.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:28Ryan Clark?

  And we've talked about it many times. Obviously, I do ESPN. The whole going in 100%.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:34Ryan Clark?

  Right? The, the Matthew Stafford of it all. Obviously, you give up picks for Jalen Ramsey.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 21:39Ryan Clark?

  You already have Aaron Donald. You go get Odell, all these things. Did you feel like that was extra pressure added to y'all? Because I, because I, because I know you love the Rams organization. All right, so... Like, did you, did, you feel like they, did, did they do the right thing making all those moves?

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Ryan, here's my chance to brag on Les Snead, right? Here's my chance to brag on Sean McVay.

• 22:01Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  So, most people would be scared to make those moves because of what you're gonna say on SportsCenter. A lot of people would be fearful of things like that, right? This organization, we absolutely embraced it at the highest level. It was like, you guys are all in to win a Super Bowl? No, who's not?

• 22:20Ryan Clark?

  Right, but that's the thing though, who's not though? There are people who aren't though.

• 22:24Channing Crowder?

  Super team.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Super team.

• 22:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it felt like Lakers, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, all those people.

• 22:31Channing Crowder?

  Kevin Garnett just came out and he was like, hey, back in my day, we used to win it, build it and win it.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:38Channing Crowder?

  And a bunch of dudes criticized that.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Listen, man.

• 22:41Channing Crowder?

  Like, y'all built a super team and it worked. Miami did it.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Listen.

• 22:46Channing Crowder?

  All the big threes did it. Do y'all feel as if y'all built a super team? Did y'all break the mold?

• 22:51Speaker 02

  No, because you know what? They actually drafted more players on our team than they got credit for. We just added people. And when you add those people, when you make those things happen, you have the ability to coach these guys and get them in the mix, it became awesome.

• 23:06Fred Taylor?

  Front office, they did an amazing job, you know, making those decisions and getting the guys here. But for me, the way I saw it, you know, it's LA. You guys already had established team, some amazing players.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 23:18Fred Taylor?

  But the guys that you acquired, you know, they wanted to be here.

• 23:22Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 23:23Fred Taylor?

  You know, what are your thoughts on that? That players, they don't want to go to Cleveland.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  So, I will say this, I will say this, um, it was LA, right?

• 23:31Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Like, I remember like laying on my mother's lap crying about Magic Johnson, right?

• 23:36Ryan Clark?

  Wait, wait, tell them, cry about Magic Johnson for what?

• 23:39Speaker 02

  When he got the HIV virus, man, you kidding me? But I was crying like a baby on my mother's lap. Like, that's magic.

• 23:45Ryan Clark?

  Where were you at then?

• 23:46Speaker 02

  In New Jersey, a Laker fan, right?

• 23:48Channing Crowder?

  Across the country.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  I'm crying like a baby. We're talking about Magic.

• 23:53Fred Taylor?

  Yeah. So. That's a fact.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  So when you got a chance to come to LA, like Odell Beckham, Vaughn Miller, and then you already had Jalen that you traded for.

• 24:02Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  And you already had AD who you drafted, and he's in the building? You got superstars on deck.

• 24:08Fred Taylor?

  Retirement, right?

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Right, Eric Waddle came out of retirement. How about that story? Let's think about that for a minute.

• 24:15Ryan Clark?

  Honestly, before you start that story, you know me, E, a type, right?

• 24:18Speaker 02

  This man was on the couch.

• 24:19Ryan Clark?

  He said, he said, "Bro, honestly, I owe it all," he texted me this today, "I owe it all to Ra for thinking of me." What was that, like, what was your thought process in that?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Listen, this man was on the couch for two years, right? So I had the opportunity, I said, we lost both safeties. Taylor Rapp got a concussion.

• 24:37Ryan Clark?

  Jordan Fuller?

• 24:38Speaker 02

  And Jordan Fuller, he hurt his ankle. And he wasn't gonna be able to make it back. I don't even wanna diminish this fact. We just lost Juju. We just lost JR. JR got claimed by the Giants. And those are the guys that we were priming to be in those roles. And we were butt naked.

• 24:57Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  And I said, I can't even lie, Egero Evero said, "Hey, what is Eric Weddell doing?" I said, "I don't know, I'll call him." Called him up. I said, "Are you fat?"

• 25:12Ryan Clark?

  You called, "E, what?" and he said, "Are you fat?"

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was calling me thinking I was like, trying to get some secrets from the Arizona Cardinals. I'm like, "Nah, man, I wanna see if you can play."

• 25:20Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  And he was absolutely a godsend. Like, he got there, his communication.

• 25:28Ryan Clark?

  I heard he called the defense.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Called the whole defense.

• 25:31Fred Taylor?

  Let me throw you for a loop real quick. If things had aligned differently, if you had Weddell, and if you had your man right here, available at the same time.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  I told him he was next.

• 25:46Ryan Clark?

  We texted about it.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  He thought I was playing.

• 25:48Ryan Clark?

  No, we legit texted about it.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  He said, "I ain't going nowhere."

• 25:52Ryan Clark?

  No, like, we were texting, because like...

• 25:54Speaker 02

  You think I'm playing?

• 25:55Ryan Clark?

  But Shannon, like, throughout the play, I was like...

• 25:57Speaker 02

  I thought it was over for Weddell.

• 25:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, this is my...

• 25:59Speaker 02

  It wasn't.

• 25:59Ryan Clark?

  Right, so this is my friend, right? And so, we're texting him, I was like, "Dog, like, the stuff Weddell's doing is dope, man. I love what you're doing, man. I'm just so excited for you." And then he goes, "You next." And I was like, "The hell I am." Because you know, like I know I can't do it, but for you, Rod, like being in that position.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  Waddo tore his peck.

• 26:18Ryan Clark?

  And played the game.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  And finished the game. Like, we had another game. He was coming.

• 26:24Ryan Clark?

  I wasn't coming.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  He was coming.

• 26:26Ryan Clark?

  But so like, no, like.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  I wasn't coming.

• 26:27Ryan Clark?

  So when you get a player like that, though, that's willing to do those things, does it say a lot about the organization, the team, and what you can accomplish?

• 26:35Speaker 02

  I don't want to take away from Waddo's greatness.

• 26:38Ryan Clark?

  He's a Hall of Famer to me.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  Listen, I don't want to take away from Waddo's greatness by giving the organization credit for that. Like, that greatness belongs to Waddo. Like, this man came through our team, gave us great communication, gave us great play, made plays, tore his peck, finished the Super Bowl.

• 26:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, dawg.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Won a Super Bowl. Like, I don't want to take away from his greatness. I love this organization. Greatness to the organization. Like, they deserve all the credit in the world, but like, that greatness for Waddo? I'm not gonna do that.

• 27:08Ryan Clark?

  Do you know, like, as a DC, bruh, and I, we were joking about it, like, I would love for you to be my defensive coordinator.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  I'd love to be.

• 27:16Ryan Clark?

  I would love, I would love to play under you.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  You was a dog.

• 27:19Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? You wouldn't love to be, because he's actually not tough.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  He was a dog.

• 27:23Ryan Clark?

  No, no, he's not, he's not a dog.

• 27:25Channing Crowder?

  But I'm gonna smell like Hennessy every day at practice.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Hey, it is what it is. Like, like, like, listen, listen, listen.

• 27:30Ryan Clark?

  So what I smell like?

• 27:30Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna judge you for that. You smell like a stripper. Because you had lavender?

• 27:36Ryan Clark?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 27:37Channing Crowder?

  Was he with strippers, or did he wear stripper lotion?

• 27:40Speaker 02

  He was not with strippers.

• 27:41Channing Crowder?

  So he was, he wore stripper lotion?

• 27:42Speaker 02

  Listen, the man had a bathtub. He had a bathtub, and he would put these Epsom salt in. And it was lavender, Epsom salt, it was all kind of stuff. And every day, his process just took a little bit longer.

• 27:54Channing Crowder?

  Than everybody else's.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  What? So he would get in his tubs, and he would do these exercises in the morning. He'd be at the coach's to the office. So I knew where to find him.

• 28:02Channing Crowder?

  Oh, so he wasn't with the strip club?

• 28:04Speaker 02

  He was not in the strip club.

• 28:05Channing Crowder?

  He just used.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  That was not his deal.

• 28:06Channing Crowder?

  He just used stripper, stripper products.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  So then when he got to my office.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  I had to question him. Why do you smell like a stripper?

• 28:13Ryan Clark?

  Hey, the first day I walk in, like after the first game, we played Houston, right? And so I'm in his room, because I get there early, and it's probably like 6 o'clock. He's watching the film.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  That wasn't early, because he was already in.

• 28:25Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and so he goes, he goes, RC, I've never given a player a must, like a plus and a minus on the same play. He was like, you did like so many things great here, and then you missed a tackle. I was like, yeah, coach, I be effing up. And then he goes, why the f you smell like lavender?

• 28:44Speaker 02

  The man, the man.

• 28:48Channing Crowder?

  And you knew the scent.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  The man smelled great. And I'm thinking to myself, like, this is a grown man in my office at 6:00 in the morning smelling like a stripper.

• 28:59Channing Crowder?

  Smelling like a stripper.

• 29:00Fred Taylor?

  Where you get it? Was it, what was it, Bath and Body Works?

• 29:04Ryan Clark?

  So I would buy it from Walgreens. And so like every morning I had this process. I had to be at work at 5 o'clock, and I had the contrast. And so I do like the contrast in the tubs. So I put my own ice in the tubs, my own hot water, you know what I'm saying? Epsom salt, all this stuff. Because like that was just like the way I worked, you know what I mean? And it was so cool, though, because we were so close in age, our conversations.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Close? What you mean, close? We're the same age. We're the same age.

• 29:30Ryan Clark?

  You were only 76.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  I don't care.

• 29:31Ryan Clark?

  I'm sorry, 79.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  It don't matter. You're the same age as me.

• 29:34Ryan Clark?

  Shut up, I'm not the same age as you.

• 29:35Fred Taylor?

  I got a question.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:38Fred Taylor?

  I want to know, when you got out of those tubs, who got in those tubs?

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 29:43Fred Taylor?

  Did they drain it?

• 29:44Speaker 02

  That's what I was thinking.

• 29:45Ryan Clark?

  They didn't drain it because they wanted to use the same stuff.

• 29:49Channing Crowder?

  Did you have glitter in the tubs?

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Sometimes. There was no glitter. He lied.

• 29:52Channing Crowder?

  Because Dom Capers one time asked me about the glitter on my neck.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  I knew where that was from. But you was playing in Miami.

• 29:57Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, we was in Miami.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  You played in Miami. You went hard.

• 29:59Channing Crowder?

  And Dom was like, telling me there's glitter on your neck.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  You played with Pezy, you played with, you played with L. Shelters. Like, we knew what you was doing. You was in the M., you was in MIA. Like, no.

• 30:09Ryan Clark?

  So like, the thing was this, though, like, I remember, we were friends.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 30:12Ryan Clark?

  Like, it's very rare.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  I got judged for being your friend, by the way.

• 30:15Ryan Clark?

  I know.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  I got judged for being Ronde Barber's friend. That's part of my problem. I got judged for being Ronde Barber's friend. Ronde Barber is the same age as me. We graduated college together. Like, I know we went to dinner together. Of course.

• 30:27Fred Taylor?

  This is my thing. People tend to fail to realize who's the glue behind the scene. Aside from head coaches, you know, it's about being personable and have these relationships.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:40Fred Taylor?

  That keep these guys intact. And a lot of times, the majority of the assistants are black coaches.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 30:47Fred Taylor?

  The majority of the players are black players. So who's creating that bond to keep these guys out of because a lot of us don't come from those households.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  And Fred, let me tell you this. Let me tell you this, Fred. It's not about the glue. You know what it's about?

• 31:01Fred Taylor?

  But you guys are.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Wait. It's about the confidence, right? Like, who you can go to in that building to make you feel like they've been through what you've been through, right?

• 31:09Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  So like for me, like I'm from Newark, New Jersey. I went to school in Irving, New Jersey. Like, I'm from like the bottom.

• 31:16Fred Taylor?

  The Jersey drive there?

• 31:17Speaker 02

  So like, so like, I can get along with anybody and I can, I can negotiate through all avenues of life. But at the same time, I also can get along with like people from different walks of life as well.

• 31:30Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Like, that doesn't matter to me because I can affiliate with that, right? That's not the issue. Here's what the issue is with the black coaches or with anybody else. Like, people don't feel comfortable around us.

• 31:44Ryan Clark?

  What you mean, people don't feel comfortable around you?

• 31:47Speaker 02

  They don't. So like for me, I'm comfortable around everybody. And I'm gonna talk about the people I've been around. The Glazers. Extremely comfortable around.

• 31:55Ryan Clark?

  Around you?

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Easily. Joel, Ed, Brian.

• 32:00Ryan Clark?

  Do you feel like the chance you were given in Tampa was a fair chance?

• 32:07Speaker 02

  I do. Now, here's what it was. I can't tell you that it wasn't a fair chance. Here it was. It was a chance, right? Now, whether the chance was what it is for other people. I can't, I can't, I can't imagine that.

• 32:20Ryan Clark?

  Explain that though.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Alright, so here's the, here's the opportunity we had, right? It was like, we want to start over young, we want to build from the bottom, we're going to draft, build in the draft, yada, yada, yada, right? We went 10-6 my second year. First year was awful, we went 10-6. That's a fair chance, right? The next year was the lockout.

• 32:39Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  We start off the year 4-2. We were leading the division. Went to Chicago, we went to play in London and lost to the New England Patriots and couldn't win a game after that. And then I got fired.

• 32:49Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  I'm not going to say it's not a fair chance. I'm not, I'm not going to be that guy. Like, I should have got fired. We lost 10 games in a row. Like, I got fired. I'm not, I'm not going to be that guy.

• 33:00Channing Crowder?

  But the racial thing. You know what I'm saying, RC, that's what I want to get to, the racial thing. That's what it is, where you had a head coaching job as a black man.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 33:09Channing Crowder?

  Brian Flores just did the lawsuit.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 33:11Channing Crowder?

  Hugh Jackson came out, he was talking about that. Do you think that, that is a problem?

• 33:17Speaker 02

  How can I say?

• 33:17Channing Crowder?

  And the Rooney Rule, bro, I, I would have said 100%.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  For me, for me.

• 33:19Channing Crowder?

  The Rooney Rule, raw, the Rooney Rule is bullshit.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, I'm not talking about the rule. The rule is-

• 33:24Channing Crowder?

  I'm just saying.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  The rule is something that's put in place to help people out. I can't say I was a benefactor of the Rooney Rule, right? I was 32. I was, I was so young and got a head job, right?

• 33:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  That was given to me by the Glazers. So like, I'm not going to judge them for giving me the job and firing me, right? So, here's the deal. I lost those games. I did. I got to own that.

• 33:45Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  I do.

• 33:47Channing Crowder?

  Was it on you?

• 33:48Speaker 02

  It, it don't matter.

• 33:49Channing Crowder?

  See-

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Does it matter?

• 33:49Channing Crowder?

  I think the thing is-

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Does it matter?

• 33:51Ryan Clark?

  I think it does matter, and it also matters how it's perceived.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 33:56Ryan Clark?

  And what's the, and like, what the next moves of it is. And so the thing I loved about you though, like, the whole thing you said, you feel like every interview you've ever had was a legitimate interview.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  It was legit.

• 34:08Ryan Clark?

  Right? And it's coming off of Brian Flores.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 34:11Ryan Clark?

  It's coming off of Hugh Jackson. What makes you feel like every interview you've ever had was legitimate?

• 34:16Speaker 02

  I would never discredit what Brian Flores said. Never. You know, like, Brian Flores, I, I respect him. I think he's an honorable man, I think he's like, like, got great character. I love, I love Flo. Like, Flo's from Brooklyn.

• 34:27Ryan Clark?

  And it's crazy that like, two people from that area could be good at coaching football.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 34:31Ryan Clark?

  Because y'all suck at football.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  No, you terrible. But Flo, Flo was a legit dude, right? So like, if Flo said that, it's a reason he said it, right? I can't say that.

• 34:42Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 34:49Speaker 05

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• 35:14Speaker 02

  My interviews, I haven't had many. You know, so like, I got the job at Tampa. Yeah. Before that, I interviewed at Denver. That was my first interview. Interview for what? I was head job. The head job interview? Yeah, when Josh McDaniels got it. Okay. And Pat Bowlen was in that interview. And some of the same people that's in that room now was in that interview. Joe Ellis and some of those guys. So I can't knock those people for that interview. I thought it was great. Like, it was my first one, don't get me wrong. So I don't know officially going into it, but like, I thought it was a legit interview. Right, but it's time. Oh, no, no, no. You just won the Super Bowl. Let me tell you something. Hey Fred, I'm not gonna argue with you about whether it's time or not. I agree with that 100%. I'm just talking about my experiences, right?

• 35:59Speaker 02

  I get it. So like, then I went to Jacksonville last year. Right. And I interviewed with Atlanta last year. Mm-hmm. And the people in Atlanta, you know how I feel about those people. Right. Arthur Blank, come on, man. Like, I knew this man before I was even coaching for him. Yeah, an opportunity to enter him there. Yeah, like, I've been to his ranch. I've been to Mountain Sky. I've been to his house. Like, Arthur Blank gave me a legit interview, like, with him. So I can't complain about what he did for me. Right. You know, like, and what, how my experience was in Atlanta. Do I think I should've got that job? Yeah, I want that job. Always. Yeah, but that's not the point. You chose somebody else. I'm not gonna judge you for that. Right. Do what you do.

• 36:42Ryan Clark?

  Okay, so, so, Ra, here's my ultimate question. You know I'm a rock for you always.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  I know.

• 36:46Ryan Clark?

  Like, the way we rock is the way we rock.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:48Ryan Clark?

  Brandon Staley, who is now the head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 36:53Ryan Clark?

  Did one year.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 36:54Ryan Clark?

  In Los Angeles, under Sean McVay, and became the head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers. When I look at beating Tom Brady, I look at beating Colin Murray.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:06Ryan Clark?

  And doing the things that you've done after also being a head coach in this league before.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:12Ryan Clark?

  And you are not a head coach right now, not for anybody else, for me. Explain to me how that's okay.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna explain, like, why I'm not a head coach, like, you know, like, that is what it is, like.

• 37:26Ryan Clark?

  But Ra, you deserve to be though.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  But I'm not gonna hate on Brandon Staley. Brandon Staley, I think is a really good coach.

• 37:31Ryan Clark?

  I'm not asking you to hate on him. I'm talking, talk about you, though.

• 37:34Channing Crowder?

  Bro, your name is, listen, I gotta do this.

• 37:37Ryan Clark?

  Please, Shannon.

• 37:37Channing Crowder?

  This is my place. We're all upset. Your name, your name is Raheem.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:42Channing Crowder?

  If your name was Shesherfield, McDaniels, or some like that, would you have a head coaching job right now? If your skin was not the color of my skin, would you have a head coaching job?

• 37:53Speaker 02

  I just know.

• 37:54Channing Crowder?

  Cause you are a fucking dog, bro.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  I love you to death, but I love McDaniels.

• 37:58Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, McDaniels, I mean. I'm just saying.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  I'm being honest, like, these guys are good coaches. I don't wanna hate on the people that got the jobs.

• 38:06Channing Crowder?

  Raheem, if you were a white man, would you be a head coach right now?

• 38:10Speaker 02

  I'm rich in the bitch, I'm white. Look at this.

• 38:13Ryan Clark?

  It's not about money, though.

• 38:14Channing Crowder?

  It's not about money, bro. We all get spread. Freddie T. text me at 2 a.m., "The China market starts at what time?" When you text me. It's already started. Freddie T. text me about Shiba Inu. I could be, bro, I swear to God. He keep talking about the same shit. I could be a billionaire if I listen to Freddie about this Shiba Inu.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:34Channing Crowder?

  Freddie text me, "Bro, money is not the thing." Your profession moving forward, if you were not a black man, would you be farther along than you are?

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Let me tell you something, we got, we got, we got ways to go in our profession. Like, we got ways to go. Like, Mike Tomlin is the best coach I've been around in my life, and he shouldn't be the only black head coach. Like, I love Mike Tomlin. Like, I can't say enough good words about Mike Tomlin. Like, that is my guy. You know that.

• 39:00Channing Crowder?

  Great coach.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  There is so many people that should be, have opportunities, and I don't want to just probably get it to me. You know, like, it's not me. Like, why? Why? Why? Why?

• 39:11Fred Taylor?

  You know what, Rod, it's really...

• 39:13Speaker 02

  It's probably getting to me.

• 39:14Fred Taylor?

  You know, we're on the outside. We're all retired. We always like to give our people flowers.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:20Fred Taylor?

  When it's necessary. Obviously, it's necessary. You know, you've done an amazing job in the NFL.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Appreciate that.

• 39:27Fred Taylor?

  You know, from your stance as an interim head coach, coordinators, etc. And right now, I mean, most guys that get those opportunities, the other, the teams pluck from the championship teams. And when I said timing, I believe it's your time. Unfortunately, the league, the, the calendar of the year this year has changed because we have 17 games. Then we got the playoffs and the Super Bowl. A lot of those positions have been filled.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:59Fred Taylor?

  But I think in due time, we will see you

• 40:02Speaker 02

  Let me tell you something.

• 40:03Fred Taylor?

  back in a, in a, in a leader's position.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  I'm gonna lead a team at some point, like...

• 40:06Fred Taylor?

  Exactly.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna be me.

• 40:08Fred Taylor?

  Exactly.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  And like, I know how I, how I affect my players. I know how I affect the players. I know how I affect the team. I know how I affect people. Like, I'm gonna have an opportunity. Like, and when I get that opportunity, Fred, I'm gonna shine.

• 40:20Channing Crowder?

  Are you gonna hire me as a DB coach?

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Hey, listen, I'm not hiring you. Because you know why I'm not hiring you?

• 40:25Channing Crowder?

  Why?

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Because you are too famous on SportsCenter. You are too famous on podcasts.

• 40:29Channing Crowder?

  Well, Coach, I'ma plug myself, though, Coach. You know, I'm a defensive coordinator down in South Florida. I got a state championship. At high school? I got a high school state championship, Coach.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  I know your background.

• 40:40Channing Crowder?

  All I run, Coach, is zero catch.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Zero?

• 40:43Channing Crowder?

  Zero catch.

• 40:44Fred Taylor?

  All I know is this.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:47Fred Taylor?

  In the last three Super Bowls.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:49Fred Taylor?

  We've had four coordinators.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Ty Bowles, Byron Lefwitch, myself.

• 40:54Fred Taylor?

  Eric Biennium.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Eric Biennium.

• 40:55Channing Crowder?

  Byron Lefwitch.

• 40:56Fred Taylor?

  In the last, that of one Super Bowls, that I think should have an opportunity to be in those rooms, interviews, if nothing else.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Hey, listen, all I can do is support those people. Like, that's what I'm saying, I'm not making it about me.

• 41:10Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Because Eric Biennium has done an amazing job.

• 41:13Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Byron Lefwitch done an amazing job.

• 41:15Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Ty Bowles done an amazing job. Like, I, I...

• 41:18Fred Taylor?

  Three, that's three, I said four.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  I, I, I...

• 41:21Fred Taylor?

  Come on, man.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Love those people.

• 41:23Fred Taylor?

  We've been around each other long enough, stop being so humble, I'm the humble one.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  It's not that.

• 41:27Fred Taylor?

  Four, I said four.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  Listen, I know who I am, I'm real comfortable.

• 41:32Channing Crowder?

  So, listen, before, when we were talking before the interview, you gave Ryan his flowers. I question Ryan Ra, I question his manhood, I question just his toughness, like, I don't know...

• 41:43Speaker 02

  No, don't do that.

• 41:43Channing Crowder?

  I just found out...

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Don't you do that.

• 41:45Channing Crowder?

  I just found out that if we go out and I get in a fight, he gonna jump in.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Oh, he in there?

• 41:49Channing Crowder?

  I just found out that with Landon Collins at the Super Bowl, he was like, no, he gonna fight. I didn't know Ryan was gonna fight.

• 41:55Ryan Clark?

  The thing for me is this, like, I'm clearly the blackest person that works for ESPN. Like, it just, it just, it just happens. I talked about it before the playoffs, and it wasn't just you, I spoke about D'Amico Ryan as well.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  D'Amico's awesome.

• 42:09Ryan Clark?

  He's awesome, right? And so, you see a guy like Brandon Staley, that is the defensive coordinator for a year, gets a head coaching job. And you've done a great job of, like, staying, like, below the fray.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:21Ryan Clark?

  When you look at what you had at Tampa, your opportunities everywhere else, Atlanta, being interim coach, do you feel like everything you've ever done has consistently been fair?

• 42:33Speaker 02

  It's not about fair.

• 42:35Ryan Clark?

  What is it about then? If it's not about equality and equity, what is it about then?

• 42:39Speaker 02

  What are we talking about? Like, stop asking you. That's, that's, that's, that's not what it is. It's like, you gotta be the best in your profession.

• 42:45Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  You have to be.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  You gotta be the best in your profession.

• 42:48Ryan Clark?

  So do you not feel like you're the best in your profession?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  I'm the best at what I do.

• 42:51Ryan Clark?

  Brandon Staley was able to be the Los Angeles Chargers head coach when he was the best in his profession. You feel the same way and you don't have a head coaching job.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  I hear you.

• 43:01Ryan Clark?

  So explain that to me.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Don't knock Brandon Staley.

• 43:04Ryan Clark?

  I'm not knocking him. I'm asking you a question.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Brandon Staley did a great job when he had the opportunity. He did.

• 43:10Ryan Clark?

  I agree with that. I don't disagree.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Brandon Staley did a great job this year coaching the Los Angeles Chargers.

• 43:15Ryan Clark?

  He was okay.

• 43:16Channing Crowder?

  RC, you said when he had the opportunity.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  He did.

• 43:20Ryan Clark?

  He had it and he won a Super Bowl.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  He got the opportunity, right?

• 43:24Ryan Clark?

  Where's your job then?

• 43:26Speaker 02

  The opportunity will come.

• 43:27Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  I'm telling you.

• 43:28Fred Taylor?

  Timing is everything.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Everything.

• 43:30Fred Taylor?

  Much like Cooper Cup.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Cooper Cup.

• 43:32Fred Taylor?

  Just a, just a amazing, talented, the best receiver that we've seen.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  No, he's not amazing talented. Let's talk, let's talk real.

• 43:41Fred Taylor?

  Dude.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Cooper Cup worked harder than everybody else.

• 43:43Fred Taylor?

  If you work hard enough, the talent shines through.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Cooper Cup makes it happen for Cooper Cup and he does it in a high level and we don't even know why.

• 43:53Channing Crowder?

  Triple crown though.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Triple crown.

• 43:55Channing Crowder?

  Most receptions, most receiving yards, most receiving touchdowns. Triple crown.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  I didn't even want to talk about this because I was so wrong about Cooper Cup that he's unbelievable.

• 44:06Ryan Clark?

  Because you had to, why were you wrong?

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Why was I wrong?

• 44:08Ryan Clark?

  Tell me.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  Because the man is awesome.

• 44:11Ryan Clark?

  I love that, dawg.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  He is.

• 44:12Channing Crowder?

  Awesome at what?

• 44:13Ryan Clark?

  Even outside, but like Raheem, outside looking in, like I'm watching the film every day and I look at like Devonte Adams, DeAndre Hopkins, I look at Tyree Hill. I'm like, Cooper's not doing these things.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Guys, I coached.

• 44:27Ryan Clark?

  How does he continue to win, bro?

• 44:28Speaker 02

  I coached Julio Jones, who might be the most talented guy I've ever coached in my life.

• 44:31Ryan Clark?

  I agree with that.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Like stop and start, snap down, speed, burst, size, elite athleticism. Cooper Cup does all of that.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  All of that, and I don't even know how.

• 44:45Ryan Clark?

  So can I be honest? Can I, can I ask like a real question?

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 44:49Ryan Clark?

  Do you think him being white plays against him in that position?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Ain't no doubt. I can say that for him.

• 44:58Ryan Clark?

  Wow. Some Billy hole white man can't jump stuff.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  He is white man can't jump at the finest level.

• 45:04Channing Crowder?

  You had one, Eric Weddell.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Eric Weddell is, is, is very similar.

• 45:09Channing Crowder?

  But you had one, Eric, what? I was gonna, if we get Eric Weddell, I want to ask him.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 45:14Channing Crowder?

  Does him, John Lynch?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Cooper Cup.

• 45:17Channing Crowder?

  Cooper Cup, Eric Sorensen, do they get on the thread together?

• 45:21Speaker 02

  What?

• 45:21Channing Crowder?

  Because you're not, as a white man, you're not supposed to be in the, in the secondary.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Kinda, you know what I mean? But I mean, I'm not gonna diminish our argument. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna diminish the argument that we got going on right now with like diversity and all that type of stuff like, but like, you, you can't hate on Cooper Cup. Like that man is legit. I'm a fan of Cooper.

• 45:39Channing Crowder?

  As a linebacker, my man didn't hold him on the two yard line.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Listen.

• 45:45Channing Crowder?

  Ra, Ra, he did not hold him on the two yard line.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  That's cool, that's cool, that's cool.

• 45:48Channing Crowder?

  That was coverage.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Wait one second, that was a makeup call. The, go back to the play before that, when they grabbed the, uh, no, no, not, not the face mask on Jalen.

• 45:56Channing Crowder?

  Okay.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  It was D. Henderson.

• 45:57Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  And they didn't call it, and they called the makeup call on Cooper. So don't, don't start that.

• 46:01Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay, I was gonna say as a linebacker like that, that when you hear the, see.

• 46:04Ryan Clark?

  What up, bro? Hey, whoa, you talking about? E Weddell.

• 46:07Speaker 06

  What's good?

• 46:08Ryan Clark?

  What's good, my guy?

• 46:09Speaker 02

  Hey, we on the show, E Weddell.

• 46:12Ryan Clark?

  Hey, so, so we on the podcast right now. It's me, Raheem, Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor. So I just wanted to call you, bro.

• 46:21Speaker 06

  Hey, what up, what up, what up?

• 46:24Ryan Clark?

  So Ra is talking about the fact that if it wasn't you, I was gonna be next.

• 46:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  He was next, man.

• 46:33Speaker 06

  Zero chance he was calling you.

• 46:35Ryan Clark?

  Hey, zero chance, because I wasn't tackling nobody.

• 46:38Channing Crowder?

  Who's better?

• 46:38Speaker 06

  Nah, just kidding.

• 46:39Channing Crowder?

  He what? Let Ra call the best dude first.

• 46:41Ryan Clark?

  Weddell's a better player than me. I'm okay with that.

• 46:44Channing Crowder?

  Off back.

• 46:44Ryan Clark?

  Off back, I'm okay with that. Hey, E.

• 46:48Fred Taylor?

  Tell your boy what it's like, man, to come back and win that Super Bowl, bro.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  I, bro, it hasn't even set in yet. Honestly, I feel like I was on a five-week dream tour. Left my life, and now I'm back in my real life.

• 47:04Speaker 06

  Showed up with the kids, woke up, made breakfast, made lunches, dropped the kids off. I don't know, it's hard to put into words, bro.

• 47:11Fred Taylor?

  Hold on, I'm about to pass you to Chaney. Chaney got a question for you.

• 47:13Channing Crowder?

  I got two questions, man. You joined the super team. Did you just come out to win a ring? Was you ring chasing?

• 47:20Speaker 06

  Ask Renan that question.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  No, he wasn't.

• 47:22Channing Crowder?

  Was he ring chasing?

• 47:23Speaker 02

  The man was chilling at the house with his kids. And I called this man, and he came to help. And then he didn't help, he contributed. He was a dog.

• 47:32Speaker 06

  Even if I called all 32 teams, asking and begging to come back, isn't the whole goal to win a ring anyways? So what am I talking about here?

• 47:40Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah, that's it, bro. I went to, I went to one wild card game, and Ed Reed stole my soul. So, yeah, I can't do it.

• 47:47Speaker 06

  He stole a lot of souls in this game.

• 47:49Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. E Doug, are you and John Lynch and Sorensen and Jason Seahorn, all the white defensive backs on the thread? Because there's not many of y'all, bro.

• 48:00Speaker 06

  First of all, don't put me in any comparison with any other white.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  That's what I'm talking about, E Wad.

• 48:05Speaker 06

  Because I'm half-black.

• 48:09Channing Crowder?

  You half-black?

• 48:11Speaker 06

  Have you seen a white boy play like me?

• 48:13Channing Crowder?

  I have not, other than Jason Seahorn and Jason and John Lynch. I didn't know.

• 48:19Speaker 06

  Nah, Lynch, Lynch couldn't do what I do, babe.

• 48:21Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay. Oh, okay. So you got a slug. You killing them.

• 48:25Speaker 06

  Nah, I'm just being honest. That's how, that's how I am.

• 48:28Fred Taylor?

  You ain't asked the question.

• 48:29Speaker 06

  I'm telling how it is.

• 48:30Channing Crowder?

  I was gonna ask him, but he laying down the dick, Freddie. Freddie wanna ask him. Is he laying down the?

• 48:34Fred Taylor?

  Man, I'm not asking him that, bro. Hey, E, what's up? It's Fred T. What's up, man?

• 48:39Speaker 06

  What's up, babe?

• 48:40Fred Taylor?

  We passing you around. Hey, congratulations.

• 48:42Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 48:43Fred Taylor?

  Off the couch in November, Super Bowl champ in February. You say you woke up this morning cooking breakfast. How many kids you got? How many little ones you got at home?

• 48:53Speaker 06

  Four kids, 14, 12, 10, and 8.

• 48:56Fred Taylor?

  Do they understand the sacrifice you just put in? Do they understand the magnitude of you being a Super Bowl champ?

• 49:03Speaker 06

  My older two, for sure. I go girl, boy, girl, girl. And I only hope through this experience that they understand what it takes. To give it all you got and to determine in your mind if you want to do something, you can go do it. And seeing me away, working tirelessly to make it happen, I hope they take that with them through high school, through college, or whatever their endeavors are, and know that they can accomplish anything if they decide they want to do it.

• 49:33Fred Taylor?

  I love it, bro. Man, listen, we're tipping our hats off to you. Way to come out and be a warrior, man. And, you know, just being a leader and getting everybody together and going to win the-

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Hey, he wasn't only a leader-

• 49:46Fred Taylor?

  World championship.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Hey, Fred, let me tell you something. He wasn't only a leader, he called the defense. He was the guy, he had the green dot. He wanted to have the initiative to do that, like- He had the mic in his helmet. Yes, like, that's who he is. Ra, Ra, I had the mic in my helmet. He had the mic in his helmet? Yeah, he just helped us out. He contributed in the highest level. Damn.

• 50:06Fred Taylor?

  Hey, E, it's really been high praise since we started interviewing with Coach, with Ra. I can't call him Coach, we the same. I'm a little older than he is.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  You are?

• 50:17Fred Taylor?

  But I respect him. I respect everything he's done in this league and I'm rooting for him. I think he should be a head coach now.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  His time, his time's coming.

• 50:27Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 50:28Speaker 06

  It should have came in this past, this past circle.

• 50:29Fred Taylor?

  We understand this all in timing, man. Appreciate your time. Man, thank you. Congratulations, thank you. Enjoy your family, love on them. We'll holler at you in a few.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  I love you, bro.

• 50:40Speaker 06

  No doubt. Love you guys, appreciate the support, man. Me the world coming for y'all.

• 50:45Fred Taylor?

  All right, big deal, bro.

• 50:46Speaker 06

  Hey, we together forever, bro.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Ever, ever, ever.

• 50:51Fred Taylor?

  Ever. Well done, brother.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's check, you got that check.

• 50:55Ryan Clark?

  And so Ra, you know, so like you listen to that, you win a championship with a guy like Wettel, but the conversation has to be had, though. We're in a situation where we get McDaniels in Miami. Yeah. We get Lovey in Houston. You are more than worthy of having a head coaching job. You coached in Tampa as a head coach. You took over the interim in Atlanta. Sure. Do you think there is an issue with African-American coaches or minority coaches as a whole as it comes to head coaching? Let's go to the beginning. It's without a doubt.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  An issue, but you can't name the people that got the jobs.

• 51:32Ryan Clark?

  What you mean the people?

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Okay, so Lovey or McDanes, you can't name those people. Here's why. Those people deserve their jobs. Like, don't even put them in the category. Like, that's the problem. Let's just start from the root of it all, right? Like, if the people that we feel like are deserving of jobs, that should get jobs, let them get jobs. That is what it is. That's the way you gotta go. Like, you can't hate on anybody else for your job. Like, I know McDanes, I know Lovey. Like, I think they're great coaches. I do. I think they're phenomenal guys that should have positions to be in those roles and do different things and like, I really believe that. That's not my point.

• 52:13Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Are there people that got jobs that I think shouldn't have had them and had success? No doubt. Like, there's no way you can tell me you thought the guy in Philly was gonna have success.

• 52:21Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  He did.

• 52:22Ryan Clark?

  He was terrible in his first.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  It is what it is. He had success. He had success for a reason. Like, it is what it is.

• 52:27Ryan Clark?

  So now for you, what's the next step in moving forward in your coaching journey?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think when you worry about that, I think that's when you need to get out of this business.

• 52:36Fred Taylor?

  All right, so I'm gonna back it up then. So we're not worried about that right now.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:41Fred Taylor?

  We've heard that, we understand it. I wanna go back to around 2005, 2007.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:48Fred Taylor?

  South Beach.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:51Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm talking about.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:53Channing Crowder?

  Freddie, you gonna bring that up, Freddie?

• 52:54Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, I mean, not necessarily. Not necessarily.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  2005, 2007, go ahead.

• 53:02Fred Taylor?

  Quality control.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  That's for me.

• 53:03Fred Taylor?

  In Tampa.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  In Tampa.

• 53:05Fred Taylor?

  And.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Three hours away from Miami.

• 53:07Fred Taylor?

  Three hours away from Miami.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:08Fred Taylor?

  And what I'm trying to do is, I'm really just trying to paint a picture for everybody that's tuned in, right?

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Go to work.

• 53:14Fred Taylor?

  A lot of times they see NFL coaches.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 53:16Fred Taylor?

  And they see them button up, so strict, professional.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 53:19Fred Taylor?

  But we used to get it in down south on South Beach.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Listen, I would drive down.

• 53:23Fred Taylor?

  He was a youngster like that.

• 53:24Ryan Clark?

  Tell me about that.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  I would drive down 75.

• 53:26Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  You know, get to Miami and meet up with this guy right here. And like, people think that's a bad thing, like, in a professional way. You know, because like, Freddie T was a professional. So, when I met with him and got with him and saw him, and saw him move in silence. That's what you want to do. I'm not saying you, because you didn't move in silence.

• 53:49Channing Crowder?

  No, no, I moved in loudness. Hey, hey, hey, you moved in high volume. I got drafted in '05 when I was down there, but yeah, no, bro.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  But I had the ability to respect what he did. You know why? Because that gave me the ability for Byron Lefwitch. Like, I got a chance to meet Byron Lefwitch, right? When he was playing. And then he went to his coaching career. And he went to the whole deal of everything that's going on. And it got me a chance to coach him as a player. And then I got a chance to see him move and like, be who he was. Lance Shulters, who I played with in college and like, like, let's come out here, meet my friends and my buddies and how we move in the NFL. All of that stuff was important to me.

• 54:27Fred Taylor?

  But it's the brotherhood. And really with that, you know, and you've been around a lot of great players in your locker room.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 54:35Fred Taylor?

  Talking about the brotherhood. Who was that one guy that was the glue in your locker? You had a lot of superstars. And like any other team, you know, the super team, superstar players, it's hard to really identify that one leader. Who was that guy in the Rams locker room?

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 54:54Fred Taylor?

  Or guys?

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Let's just go back. Before we can go to the Rams locker room, you gotta go back to Derrick Brooks in the Tampa locker room.

• 55:00Fred Taylor?

  That's my brother. That's my mentor.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  Derrick Brooks and what he did in our Tampa locker room.

• 55:06Fred Taylor?

  I love DB. That's my mentor.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Was unbelievable. Like, his ability to communicate with everybody from all walks of life. Imagine being me, right? You get named the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and you gotta cut Derrick Brooks.

• 55:21Channing Crowder?

  Right. I couldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. Derrick Brooks.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Imagine being that guy.

• 55:28Channing Crowder?

  What was the conversation though, Ra? No, no, no. Tell me the conversation. RC, before that Derrick Brooks stopped me from fighting another dude.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Let me tell you something.

• 55:38Channing Crowder?

  Derrick Brooks said, he said.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  You not shocking me about nothing you say about Derrick Brooks?

• 55:43Channing Crowder?

  He told me, he said, what is that gonna prove? And I didn't fight. I didn't fight Derrick Brooks. I respect Derrick Brooks more than my damn mom and daddy.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Derrick Brooks, bro, like, you're not listening to what I'm saying. Like, hey, here's the deal. Like, you're the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And now you gotta like, cut all these veterans. Warwick Dunn. Derrick Brooks. Joey Galloway. Kevin Carter. I mean, I mean, imagine that.

• 56:12Ryan Clark?

  Do you feel like you was set up?

• 56:13Speaker 02

  No, no, it wasn't a setup.

• 56:15Fred Taylor?

  It was gonna happen one way or another.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Moving forward.

• 56:18Fred Taylor?

  On her horizon.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was moving forward. And like, you know what Derrick Brooks was. Like, we all do. That's hard.

• 56:27Fred Taylor?

  He's my brother, my mentor.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Your brother.

• 56:30Fred Taylor?

  I look to him for everything.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  He won me a Super Bowl.

• 56:32Ryan Clark?

  So, like, Ra, you just won the Super Bowl.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:36Ryan Clark?

  So you come home, everybody's excited, and you got two cardboard cutouts in your house. You have Aaron Donald, the defensive stalwart, future Hall of Famer, maybe the best defensive player that has ever played in the league. And then you have a guy from Los Angeles. He's white, he's great, he wears number 10.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  It's supposed to be Cooper Cup.

• 57:03Ryan Clark?

  But it's not. Dog, tell me you're wrong.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  It's Justin Herbert.

• 57:06Ryan Clark?

  Justin freaking Herbert. Like, how you walking in the house, bro? And you got a cutout of Justin Herbert at your house, bro?

• 57:13Speaker 02

  You gotta explain this thing. Like, you know, the Super Bowl is a big deal, man. It's in the city. Like, you can't bring the kids, you know? Like, and I can't bring the kids with it.

• 57:21Ryan Clark?

  It's very rare the Super Bowl is in your hometown.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Hometown.

• 57:24Ryan Clark?

  Like, where you live.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  I mean, nobody has that except for Tampa. Right? So like, let's get a cardboard cutout of Aaron Donald, let's get a cardboard cutout of Cooper Cup, and let's go to work, right? Let's let the kids have a fun, let's have fun. And I get home, and I go, "Babe, why is Justin Herbert's cutout in our house?" You had a Justin Herbert? She goes, "No, that's Aaron Donald and Cooper Cup." I go, "That is not Cooper Cup."

• 57:52Fred Taylor?

  Who set her up?

• 57:54Ryan Clark?

  Hey, so when you walk in the house, though, so Ra, you come in the house, you're like, "Damn, Super Bowl, we got a ring."

• 58:00Speaker 02

  We had a good time.

• 58:01Ryan Clark?

  So you walk in, right? You see AD, you're like, "Oh, shit, that shit is fire." And then you see Justin Herbert. What you doing?

• 58:08Speaker 02

  I think it was Brandon Staley, he set you up.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Hey, blame Brendan Staley for that.

• 58:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, Brendan Staley. You still gave your wife hell that night.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  No, I ain't give a hell. I just, I just told her.

• 58:19Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, I'm talking about in the bed. Like, I'm, listen, I'm nasty. I'm nasty, Ra.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  I just said, that's, that's not Cooper Cup.

• 58:27Channing Crowder?

  That's not Cooper Cup.

• 58:28Fred Taylor?

  So, usually throughout our show, and I think we can say this and wrap it up, we typically ask, what was the biggest pivot moment in your coaching career? What was that moment?

• 58:41Speaker 02

  It's about to happen.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  You ain't seen it yet.

• 58:46Fred Taylor?

  I, I'm, I'm with it.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  I'm about that life, man, Freddie. Like, Freddie, like, seriously, like, it's, it's about to happen, man. Like, it ain't happened yet. Like, like, it ain't no pivotal moments in your career. Like, I, I am, I'm like that.

• 58:59Fred Taylor?

  No.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  I feel like I dictate terms. Like, I feel like that all the time.

• 59:04Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  So, like, it ain't happened yet.

• 59:06Channing Crowder?

  Well, I want to ask you on the way out, because they always give me a hard time.

• 59:12Channing Crowder?

  Are you nasty, like, in the bedroom?

• 59:14Speaker 02

  What?

• 59:15Ryan Clark?

  Hey, bro, like, I see your aggression on the blitzes.

• 59:18Fred Taylor?

  Hey, what a restroom, man.

• 59:19Channing Crowder?

  Ra, Ra, Ra, do we get it? Bro, I'm nasty.

• 59:21Speaker 02

  You nasty?

• 59:22Channing Crowder?

  Bro, and I come off the nightstand, and I grab him, and I, my wife don't even know. I don't care if she don't shower for three, four days. I don't shower, but we get after it, bro.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  That's what you do.

• 59:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, bro, that's what we do.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Hey, you got to do what you got to do. Like, I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna keep me, me.

• 59:42Channing Crowder?

  You gonna keep it a hundred?

• 59:43Speaker 02

  But.

• 59:43Channing Crowder?

  Because I already told people, I lock my door, my kids be beating on the door, and I still be in there jamming.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  I can't lock the door.

• 59:49Channing Crowder?

  You can't lock the door?

• 59:50Speaker 02

  No, that's child abuse.

• 59:52Channing Crowder?

  To have the kids and then, then, then, we got to.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  This boy's sick.

• 1:00:00Ryan Clark?

  My dog. I love you. Come on, come on. I love you.

• 1:00:05Fred Taylor?

  Love you.

• 1:00:08Fred Taylor?

  Coach, congrats.

• 1:00:11Fred Taylor?

  Yes, sir. Yeah. Good, man. Keep it going. No doubt. Rootin' for you. I appreciate that.

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

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