Trump Rips NATO + Newsom Fraud Scandal | PBD #775

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, Vincent Oshana & Viva Frei break down Donald Trump’s NATO criticism, fraud allegations involving Gavin Newsom, Canada’s MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ controversy, a Texas child murder case, the Iryna Zarutska ruling, Trump’s clash with Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, and Candace Owens, and Melania Trump’s statement on Epstein. ------- 🧢 LIMITED EDITION 1 OF 250 FLB HAT: https://bit.ly/4tBGif0 Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH NICK SHIRLEY: https://bit.ly/49gyFlE Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:14Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 00

  My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, if you're Canadian, I want to give you a warning. It's gonna be tough today. It's gonna be tough today because I don't know what's going on with your politics in Canada. You're the number two country in the world that watches a podcast. It is what it is today. The opening story, you're gonna need to do earmuffs because of the stuff your politicians stand for. But aside from that, we got a lot of things to cover. Apparently Tiger Woods, Tom is talking about how if they come out and you maybe didn't come up as have an alcohol in your body and it's something else in the state of Florida. Florida can say, what were you taking? What else was in your body and was it prescribed? Did you buy it from somebody else? So Tom's got some thoughts on that. I don't know why he's picking on Tiger Woods. I told him, don't do it, but he says, no, we gotta cover it.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Doesn't care.

• 1:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he does. Even a guy that at the table, probably no one golfs more than Tom does.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Tom's, yeah, Tom has grass on him right now from swinging this morning.

• 1:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and then New York Times had a story.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  And some Bob Marley CDs.

• 1:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, and then Vinny's got something about a New York Times story that came out about the fact that Rubio was in there, Netanyahu comes in with Mossad on the screen.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Talking about these are four things that we need to do. Rubio says afterwards when he's meeting with Trump, that's BS, two out of the four we cannot do. So maybe we'll get into that story as well. Rob, is that, what, what page do we have that story on? And if we don't, just maybe send it to me. But I don't know what page that story is on. And then we have to, the first lady, Melania Trump, got up and spoke about her relationship with Epstein, her links with Epstein. And the market is reacting, saying, why was that conversation now? So we'll definitely talk about that as well. The president did another one of his tweets, giving a shout out to four people on the MAGA side that maybe they're no longer on the MAGA side, apparently the way that he put it together. And we have to react to it and we're gonna talk about that as well and give our own feedback.

• 2:15Patrick Bet-David?

  On that next story is US fertility rate hit the lowest ever. Look, if you're watching this, I will say this every single time. If you have a choice between watching PBD podcast or making babies, go make babies. We need to make more babies. We're not. Our fertility rate is too low. We're at 1.58 and it's getting even lower. We need to take a time out and make some babies. If you watch this today at 3 o'clock, 8 o'clock, take a break from your job and say, I gotta go home. Honey, I'm coming home. Let's make another baby. We need to go make a lot of babies right now.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Patrick, the true test is-

• 2:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom is gone. We lost Tom.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  There goes Tom.

• 2:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Or listen to the podcast and make babies at the same time.

• 2:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that is now epic. While streaming PBD podcast. Like he says, who's your favorite podcast? Who's your favorite podcast? Say it.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  He's gonna say, what's your point?

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Viva, that's very Jeffrey Toobin of you.

• 3:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that's a slightly different time because you can't make babies making, doing the Toobin stuff. So that's a tough thing to do. You can't do that, Tom. You can't do that. Anyways, okay. Aside from that, we got a few other stories. Stormy Daniels, lawyer. Guys, remember Michael Avenatti that was supposed to be our president?

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Guy's got more stuff that's coming his way. That, by the way, do you know, I don't mean to be disrespectful at all. Yesterday, we all realized Ralph Nader is still alive.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Is he real? How old is Ralph Nader?

• 3:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I had no-

• 3:36Speaker 03

  You mean Ralph- Was he 94, 92 or something?

• 3:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, I'm not even kidding with you because a story comes out saying Ralph Nader urges Bush and Obama to impeach Trump. I thought it was an Onion or Babylon Bee story, but Ralph Nader is still alive.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  How old is he?

• 3:51Patrick Bet-David?

  The man is 92 years old. Ralph Nader, I think one time was on Phil Donahue. He's alive. Obviously, you know, he's not going to be a supporter of what's going on. He went from the Democratic Party to the Green Party to the Independent Party. He is criticizing Trump. He wants Trump to be impeached and George Clooney called him the war criminal. Gavin Newsom comes out and says, I'm glad we're exposing fraud in our state. And it's now taking, you know, credit as if he did it, you know, with Nick Shirley's work. No, no, I'm the one that's exposing fraud in our state. However, we need more money for this, you know, train that we're building. The 127 billion wasn't enough, Viva, so we need more money. You gotta go fundraise for us and raise more money. Putin advisors call straight of Hormuz.

• 4:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran's nuclear weapon, okay? Its potential is inexhaustible. So they're hanging on to the Strait of Hormuz in their negotiation on how much power that's giving them against the world. If you're traveling with Delta, flight, uh, they raised their check fee back up to $50 and apparently the third bag for people like Tom who, uh, travel with their, you know, uh, golf, uh, golf bag, we take our Padel stuff when we travel, Vinny, that's our third bag when we travel.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 5:05Patrick Bet-David?

  The third bag is up to 220 with Delta, Tom's not happy.

• 5:08Speaker 03

  Just hide your Padel paddles in my golf clubs, I'll pay for it.

• 5:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly, Tom, you know what, you are so generous. So we're gonna be doing that. Oil plunges to, uh, I don't know where it's at, Ren, I don't know if I like the word plunges, but oil plunges to 97 right now, 97, 99, roughly 98. And then we have a story with the, the Charlotte Light, uh, real murder suspect ruled incompetent to stand in trial. Uh, you don't even know what ideas I have with this guy of what to do. This is the story with Athena in North Texas, right? Is this the one with, uh?

• 5:40Speaker 03

  Two different ones. Athena in North Texas is the guy who's.

• 5:43Patrick Bet-David?

  The FedEx driver. This is the one with the arena, the rush.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  And the Russian, oh, yeah.

• 5:48Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna talk about both of them. The, the one in North Texas absolutely drives me insane. One of them is nastier than the other one, but we have to address both because these types of people need the type of punishment that puts the fear of not death, because some people don't fear death. It's gotta be a different kind of a fear you put into that. I don't know if some people fear death. I think there's gotta be something worse than, what is worse than death? If you have nothing to live for and you have no father, no mother, you get to a point that you're willing to kill an innocent person like this on a train or a seven-year-old kid that you came to deliver a Barbie to and you say, come in the back of the FedEx truck and you're an independent driver, this is, you know, independent contractor for FedEx, this is November of 2022, and we're just supposed to say, I heard a voice in my head

• 6:32Patrick Bet-David?

  named Zero, you were telling me earlier, telling me to do this? Stop watching primal fear, this is real life, this isn't about, hey, somebody told me to do this. No, we have to make an example at the highest level, my opinion, my opinion on what we need to do to, uh, to them. And then, uh, we got that one, we got that one. We may talk about Swalwell with some of the stuff that he's doing. And John Daly reveals to the Kelsey brothers. How he would have lived his life differently if he knew he would have lived this long. So now maybe you're listening to that saying, what he's saying is he would have been a Christian man. Or he would have been a, you know, responsible man, not drinking or smoking. He's actually saying the complete opposite. You know, that he would have partied even harder if he knew he was gonna live this long.

• 7:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And then a couple of the business stories that we'll get into here. Uh, that we have to address, by the way, just so you guys know. When it comes down to voter ID, it's a lot of work. We're not competent enough to get them. But God forbid, if you go to the Obama Center, you better bring an ID. And I'm telling you right now, if you don't bring your ID to Obama Obama Center, they're not gonna let you in. But who needs an ID to vote, Vinny? You need an ID to get into Obama Center, but not to vote. What's more important? You're racist. Yeah, get your priorities straight.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  So Obama's gonna keep people of color out of his own library because it's racist to require ID.

• 7:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It, it, it's.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Jim Crow 2.0.

• 7:50Tom Ellsworth?

  I thought they said some of those people did not have certain capabilities to go figure out how to get an ID.

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Well, I guess he wants to keep the library like Martha's Vineyard, so he wants to make sure he controls who accesses it.

• 8:02Patrick Bet-David?

  We need to get that thing, you know, uh, the, the drum.

• 8:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Put on some.

• 8:06Patrick Bet-David?

  We need to get one of those that I click and that sound is made. By the way, Federman breaks with Democrats says Trump's military strikes in Iran have made the world safer, is what he said. Last night, we had a Bedevic Consulting event. It was a phenomenal, phenomenal offsite event. Uh, shout out to Kareem, to Taylor, to the crew. Really, really good job. Uh, Mario, Aaron, the whole crew was a fantastic meeting that we had. Yeah, Tom, I'm intentionally not giving certain names that you're giving because I'm, I'm, you know, I'm controlling the edification. And Tom wants to tell everybody how great they're doing, but it's Kareem, not Dalton. Kareem was the MVP in the first quarter. Dalton, Tom just publicly called you out for what he did. Why would you do that, Tom? Now you're embarrassing Dalton. Do you see what Tom does sometimes?

• 8:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Wanted to edify everybody, but we had a great meeting together yesterday. Uh, with the business and, and while we're there, we're in this room. At Casa di Angelo, which the rumors are, you know, people think. We own this place. We don't own the place.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Stock. What?

• 9:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Angelo owns the place. No, we don't own the place.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 9:04Patrick Bet-David?

  We just contribute to the restaurant. It's a great restaurant.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Great contributor.

• 9:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And we're sitting there, it's about 25 of us. And it went from business to what do you think about the ceasefire? What do you think about the war? What do you think about? It was the best conversation. Some of the commentary I'll share with the guys that we're talking about here and it's great to have Viva here with us. But I got some good news. Here's a good news to give all of you guys. Do you remember when I said to you about a month and a half ago? You know, we have thousands and thousands of orders that we got to catch up to. Do you remember that with the shoes, with the hats, with the shirts, with the sweaters? With the wallets, with everything that we have. 100% of all the orders have officially been caught up. When I tell you thousands of orders, I mean thousands of orders. But that means tens of thousands of items that were being shipped out. That officially are in the hands of everybody.

• 9:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And so today, after what took place. The first launch that we're doing to say that the store is back open, kind of like Tom Cruise setting cocktails. The bar is open, right? The store is officially open. And we're launching it. We are launching it with a brand spanking new. You know how the limited, I'm telling you right now, every time I do this, people get pissed off. A limited edition 250 year anniversary, one out of 250 hat is being launched. And you know this is going to go out in no time? It may be the sickest design out of all of them thus thus far when you see it. A lot of people, this is their favorite. Rob, go ahead and play this clip of the latest Future Looks Bright 250 year anniversary edition.

• 10:34Speaker 05

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• 10:48Patrick Bet-David?

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• 10:49Speaker 05

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• 11:48Speaker 05

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• 12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go. So go to vtmerch.com, Rob, if you want to go to vtmerch.com real quick. And while you're getting the hat, make sure to also get the shirts that go with it or the sweater go a little bit lower. There's also those with the white and green. You have different choices to go with that on the 250. And for some of you that are watching this, after 30 minutes, because this hat's going to sell in 30 minutes, if you do watch it after 30 minutes, this one's not going to last a long time. So if you didn't get this and you're upset, Rob, if you want to go back one, this other one, we've sold thousands of, and people love this. This is not numbered. This is a... There's quite a few of these left of the black and the white. Every time we order these, these go as well. You can order these, but the green ones, they're absolutely limited to 250.

• 13:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Be sure to place your order and represent the fact that you're proud of the 250 years as well as "Future Looks Bright." And by the way, the numbered ones always end up on eBay. If some of you guys weren't able to get it, but you still want it, an independent salesperson's probably going to be selling it on eBay where you can go find it. And those sell for a lot more than the price that we have right now for the limited edition. Okay, having said that, let's get right into it. What is the first story that we want to get into? Do we want to start off with Gavin Newsom wanting to take credit for fraud?

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't we do that, Rob? So here's Gavin Newsom campaigning to be the president of the United States, who I truly believe when Michelle Obama spoke, Obama's rating would go higher because Michelle Obama was a great speaker.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 13:43Patrick Bet-David?

  She knew how to win the Democrats over. I am telling you, this guy's Achilles heel is his wife.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 13:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time Jennifer Newsom speaks, you're more worried about him becoming the president. And by the way, I know we were gonna go into Canada, but let's do news and we're going to Canada.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Fine.

• 13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So he comes out, Nick Shirley's obviously going into California and he's exposing the fraud in California, one by one by one as he's doing this. And you can go to Nick Shirley, one of his recent videos, post this one right here, let's stay on this. So Gavin Newsom says, "California is leading the charge against the large-scale identity theft and hospice fraud. Today, we're taking decisive action against 14 providers who tried using stolen identities, Bill, to bill Medi-Cal for non-existent hospice services." Oh, wow.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 14:26Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna get him, Viva. We are gonna get him, right? Shirley responds and says, "You tried to paint me as a pervert for exposing fraud. And as a result, radical leftists started to try to dox me and send death threats wanting to kill me. Now you're taking credit for leading the charge on the fraud? Are you serious? You are the fraud."

• 14:51Speaker 03

  I love this.

• 14:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Nick Shirley, you are the flipping man. By the way, if you're watching this and you love how Nick Shirley goes after Newsom, you can manek Nick Shirley. We're gonna put his handle below for you guys to manek him. And it actually gets back to a hundred percent of people that message him. That's one way to stay in contact with the young man. And it's a second way to also support him for what Nick Shirley is doing. Is this one of the clips that we have?

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 15:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Viva, why don't you say a couple thoughts and then I'm gonna get into Nick Shirley?

• 15:14Speaker 03

  It's an amazing thing. Tom McDonald in one of his songs had the lyrics, "They kill you and then they broadcast it and make it the news." Gavin Newsom created the fraud that he's now going to combat. So he's created the problem and he's gonna make himself the solution to solve the problem that he created. I mean, it's exactly what they've done with the homeless crisis. The worse it gets, the more work they create for themselves to solve the problem of their own making.

• 15:33Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's effective. With their own audience.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  It's how government works.

• 15:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  And it does, like, it's exactly what, uh, Tim Walz has done in Minnesota. Like, oh, look at the scale of the fraud here. We're tackling it. We've arrested a number of people that have committed crimes under our government.

• 15:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So, now watch Nick Shirley here. Go for it, Rob.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Now, we are here outside of Healthy Life Adult Daycare. This place, over the past few years, has billed nineteen point eight million dollars alone. Now, let's go see if I can enroll my grandma. Cause she needs some daycare. And this right here is the entrance of a building that's received over nineteen million dollars. So, this is the location that's received over nineteen million dollars. Kinda crazy, right? They say that right here, right now, we're here at one thirty. No adults are here. I wouldn't doubt that adults do come, but nineteen million dollars.

• 16:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Got a nice pool table there.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  It's like everything's set up, but there's no people. It's like, like for a show, almost. No, nobody's here already. You'll have to come back tomorrow. And could we get, like, a brochure to enroll our grandma into this location? Uh, I don't have anything. Huh. Can anyone give us a brochure?

• 16:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, they know who he is. Look at her, she knows.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Somebody has information about...

• 16:48Patrick Bet-David?

  They're panicking, bro.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Don't think it's enough to say it's fraudulent, because you do see that it is operating there. Were people working inside there? But the fact that there's just businesses like these poppin' around everywhere, and this is what they look like outside of a location that receives nineteen million dollars over the past few years? Yet, the building looks completely, almost dismantled out here.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  And look, all they have to say that they are the Adult Day Healthcare is that sign that says...

• 17:18Patrick Bet-David?

  ADHD.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  HC. And there was some people working inside of it. We have the phone number right here. Darren's gonna go ahead and give a phone call.

• 17:25Speaker 06

  And see if somebody from inside answers. There are people inside right now, the phone's just ringing. You can leave a message after the tone. This mailbox is full. There you have it. They don't even have an inbox available to take in a voicemail.

• 17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  And another thing to take note. Let me hear the last part. What's he saying?

• 17:41Speaker 06

  ...of is Gavin Newsom right now on party market. He is the leading nominee for the Democrats come 2028. All this fraud's taking place, all this waste is taking place.

• 17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  We can pause that right there. Vinny, your thoughts, Vinny?

• 17:53Speaker 02

  I just, I mean, it's funny how, just take a step back. You haven't heard anything from anybody from Minnesota, from Ilhan Omar, from Governor Walz. Remember, they're the loudest, they're the biggest crap talkers about everything. But now when there's hundreds of billions of million, whatever, dollars involved, everybody's quiet. And this is, by the way, this is the tip of the iceberg, Pat. I know you're gonna play the video of her after. If we're gonna be honest, like, I don't think this is incompetence. I think it's a whole system built on fraud and everybody gets paid. The bureaucrats, the consultants, the contractors, the political, everybody is getting paid. And for people to even think that the governor of this state doesn't know is BS, okay?

• 18:37Speaker 02

  He's exposing this, Pat, and we're gonna talk about the high-speed rail also. When we're talking about these billions and billions of dollars, let's think about this. When financial crimes like this happen, Pat, what happened to Bernie Madoff? How much time did he get in prison? 150 years. Allen Stanford got 110 years. And the country has no problem giving life sentences to these people who stole from other people? When is the accountability going to come for people like this? And people like, and we, it's almost like a joking thing. When you see those memes of Gavin Newsom, number one poverty, number one tax, number one, number one, number one. And he still has the gall to go in front of a camera? I'm just curious, when, and I get investigations are launching, Republicans have to launch, write letters, send you to Congress, refer you to this, when is, is anything actually gonna come up from this?

• 19:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it is, because Rob, if you wanna go to Rob Bonta, from California Attorney General announces major hospice fraud bust in LA County where $267 million. Go ahead, Rob.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  ...here today to announce the results of a massive hospice fraud bust in Los Angeles County. And it's called Operation Skip Trace.

• 19:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back a little. Operation Skip what?

• 19:47Speaker 02

  A massive hospice fraud bust in Los Angeles County. And it's called Operation Skip Trace.

• 19:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Operation Skip Trace uncovered and ended a hospice fraud scheme that defrauded Medi-Cal of $267 million. So just to be clear, a quarter billion dollars. Over. Funds that are paid for by California taxpayers, funds that are meant to provide care to Californians in need. It is unacceptable, it is illegal.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  This is good. I agree, but you know what pisses me off?

• 20:23Tom Ellsworth?

  What's that?

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Number one, people like Chris Cuomo, and I hope he hears this, say that people like Nick Shirley are not real investigative journalists and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and nothing's going to happen. Number one. Number two, this is a response because they're being exposed. Your system in California should have done this years ago. How long has this been going on for? This isn't an overnight thing that Nick Shirley just stumbled upon. This has been going on forever, and he's just, and God bless him, bouncing around from city to city, finding it and exposing it. Okay? This is a response because now they have to say, oh, we're going to start arresting people. If it wasn't for Nick Shirley, this would have kept going on and kept going on and nothing ever would have come out about it.

• 21:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Just remember, you need to call it election year response. So go on. You're right. You're absolutely right. It's an election year response, so that when he's cornered, when he's in a primary, wherever he is, he can say, what are you talking about? The California Attorney General found a quarter of a billion dollars in fraud under my watch. We immediately launched our own investigation, and we did it better because it's in our jurisdiction. You just wait for it to air. The part that I want to see, and you're asking the right question, what I want to see is, where do they track the checks that come back to the campaign?

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 21:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Because they are. They did in Minnesota. All the allegations, excuse me, they allegedly did in Minnesota, and they were pointing back to how the money went offshore to bad people, right, in foreign countries, and as well come back to PACs. Now, here the PAC system, and David, I'd love to know what you think about this, that creates the veil. Because I'm, well, you know what? There are a lot of PACs that are supporting me and all the other down ballot tickets. I didn't know where that money came from. It's the PACs. So now the candidates and their campaign managers can say, oh, I didn't know, but the money was flowing right back to the PAC and therefore back to the campaign. I think once we get to the bottom of it in Minnesota, it's going to show up that that's where it is, and I think it's no different in California.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Can I say one thing before Dave you speak? Pat, you're a CEO of a company, okay? I think Gavin Newsom technically is the CEO of California. Do you think he doesn't know? Bill, hundreds of billions of dollars? Pat, he doesn't know? Do you think?

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  And the more they spend, the better it is for them. Look how much we're giving for Adult Day Health Care. I mean, ADHC, it's amazing. Well, what's funny also is Bonta, if I recalled correctly, had his own scandals of allegedly misappropriating or spending campaign funds, half a million dollars on legal fees. These people are all systemically corrupt, and then they look into their own corruption only when it gets exposed, pretend to do something, and then people forget that it ever happened. Minnesota was interesting. Remember when all the ICE stuff was going down, the riots and the protests? And then everyone was like, why is Minnesota uniquely different than everywhere else where ICE is, you know, going and taking people out? It was a pure distraction, you know, or I say organically, to distract from the corruption in Minnesota. And so they use that crisis to distract.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  And then all of a sudden, nobody's talking about the billions of dollars in Minnesota fraud. They're talking about, you know, the incidents that-

• 23:21Tom Ellsworth?

  A nurse that got himself shot.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  A nurse that got himself shot. And in California now, all right, fine. It's come to the fore. You got Nick Shirley going there. And so now they're going to pretend to do something about it. And I wouldn't be surprised if something does happen that's going to distract people from this massive fraud.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Adam.

• 23:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, shout out to Nick Shirley. I mean, think about what this kid's done on his resume. When's the first time you even heard of Nick Shirley? Less than a year ago? I remember I met Nick Shirley with- I met Nick Shirley at James O'Keefe's event, and he won the Citizen Journalism Event Award. And I was like, dude, you're killing it. This is six months ago. And we've kept in touch, and I see what's going on. Think about this kid's resume right now. Shows up to Minnesota, not the FBI, not the CIA, not the Department of Justice. Nick Shirley with a camera and his boy David and the Leering Center. A month later, Tim Walz basically says, I'm not running for reelection.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Good.

• 24:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Took down the governor of Minnesota.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Good.

• 24:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Now he has his eyes set on California. The big question is, is he going to do enough to take down Gavin Newsom? Because Gavin Newsom is not Tim Walz. Tim Walz, by the way, he showed up out of nowhere. All this money, fraud, Minnesota, we're going to see what happens. And all of a sudden, he's the all potential Vice President of the United States.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  You know why? Because that money.

• 24:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Kamala, money, bingo, bango.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  He donated what, 28 million, Tom? Day three of getting.

• 24:37Patrick Bet-David?

  The thing with Gavin Newsom.

• 24:38Tom Ellsworth?

  DNC didn't want to give money to Kamala, so she had to go find a bag. And she found it.

• 24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  She found the bag, that's true. So the question is this. Uh, the manufactured crisis that Gavin Newsom just tried to pull off, basically, you know, he's created the problem, or basically turned a blind eye to the problem. And now he's like, I fixed it, guys. It's like, you just, you're the arsonist to burnt down the house, and now you show up with a hose. And here's the catch. People are gonna believe him. He's the most skilled politician in America. I'll tell you why. What has he done for California, other than look good with great hair? Shout out to you guys with great hair on the podcast. I'm not voting for you because you have great hair. What are your policies? What have you done to effectuate change? I don't know what Gavin Newsom's done, other than walk the, he talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. Well, let me, let me, let me tell you this, while we're going through this, to all my Canadian friends.

• 25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me start off, right off the bat, that you're amazing, your coconut beer is great. Uh, you, you guys have some great places to go visit. Toronto. Shout out to Goodfellas Restaurant with the incredible burrata cheese and balsamic glaze and the pizza that you guys have. To Banff, whether you go to Lake Louise, or if you go to, what's the Chateau Fermont Hotel. Chateau. You know, where you're going into the city and you see big animals, like as if it's nothing just walking by. Sometimes you go to a city, you see a little cat, boom, see a big ass moose in Canada. Having said that, your politics is crazy. Crazy. I saw this video, I'm like, this has to be AI. You guys know which one I'm talking about? Yeah, I'm like, so you, we, we had to, back in the days, it was gays and lesbians. That's it. Right?

• 26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  And then this thing became like the LGBTQ. And then it became this LGBTQIA, whatever, whatever, whatever. Plus. And then Canada has taken it to, she said it so fast, as if it's a vocabulary, like you need to know what this is. So I want you.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  But by the way, look at how happy she is with herself, that she said it without stumbling. She's like, she passed the test.

• 26:32Patrick Bet-David?

  She's so proud of herself.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  You know what she is?

• 26:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so this, she says the MMIWG2S. LGBTQIA plus is a Canadian acronym representing missing and murdered indigenous women, girls and two-spirit, what is two-spirit? Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, and asexual people used in official Canadian reports and 15. It highlights the disproportionate violence against indigenous, especially the two S L G B T Q Q I A plus people. I mean, who the hell is supposed to remember this?

• 27:10Speaker 03

  So, Pat, the uh-

• 27:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Let her say this, I'm gonna come to you. Let her say it.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Lea Gazan, Lea Gazan is her name.

• 27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 27:17Speaker 06

  When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations. They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIW G2SLGBTQQIA+ This is abhorrent.

• 27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  One more time, one more time, just that part. I just wanna hear that part, go ahead.

• 27:42Speaker 06

  They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIW G2SLGBTQQIA+

• 27:50Speaker 03

  She wasn't even reading.

• 27:51Speaker 06

  This is abhorrent. This is callous. This is callous because the very liberal government that has stripped organizations of life-sustaining funding has now promised, committed-

• 28:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Genocide.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 28:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Genocide.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  But Patrick, you know the story? They did a report that concluded that there's genocide against indigenous Canadians, or indigenous is the Canadian word for native Canadians, or Indian American, Indian Canadians. The genocide consists of, there's statistically high rates of murder, sexual abuse of indigenous women, particularly on reservations.

• 28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  By?

• 28:27Speaker 03

  By indigenous men. This is the, this is the issue. I don't know what percentage, if it's 70, 80%. The vast majority of crime against indigenous women, murder, rape, sexual abuse, all this stuff, is done by indigenous men. The way they conclude that it's genocide perpetrated by white European, you know, founders of the country is that they've created living conditions that are so bad for the indigenous- who insist on living on reservations themselves that they're prone to violence and therefore it's the white European Canadians fault for indigenous men disproportionately committing violence against indigenous women that's how they get to genocide

• 28:59Tom Ellsworth?

  that's correct it's it's a it you can't follow the logic you cannot follow the logic at all you know because the indigenous people in Canada there's a lot of proud wonderful people and everything they want their own county they want their own states they want their own place they want to be together with their own people and there's nothing wrong with that you know people that want to live with their own people you know you went in when people assimilated New York all the Italians lived in one area of New York all the Irish lived in one area of Boston that's not a bad thing but now you turn around and blame people and says well you created our borders no we didn't they they come on

• 29:30Speaker 02

  I mean with all with all due respect Canada just proving how unserious they are as a nation Daniel Negron you panel you you guys know the poker player he tweeted and I had to respond and Rob I'm gonna go to you he goes I'm really not trying to be mean or rude here but how did we get here and I pulled I posted this I go this is exactly how you got here Justin Trudeau was out in these streets celebrating and pushing this thing where with all the stuff that's happening in the world like and I'm and I'm being dead serious besides the war and the homelessness and and and all the problems that they have this is what's on your front that's what's on the on your radar that's what you're worrying about and this lady by the way Pat she's a Canadian member of Parliament for the new Democratic Party this isn't like just some rinky-dink trick that they found off the street and did it this is the ideology this is like this is Canada it's embedded in their in their DNA

• 30:17Speaker 03

  it's institutionalized insanity like you have Justin Trudeau you know going to these these these pride parades you have CBC which is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation I don't know if you guys have seen this video but it was CBC drag hour and they had two kids come on this was a CBC News curated piece where they had a drag queen bringing on a child and the child's like yeah I feel a little uncomfortable and say don't worry you'll get used to it have you ever met a drag queen before because of course it was French I mean it's institutionalized and it's to the point where now you know the the insanity is rewarded in Canada and the sanity is demonized and people will say this is not just about gender identity

• 30:53Patrick Bet-David?

  this thing this thing right here

• 30:54Speaker 03

  no that was they'll play this one this one's insane this one's older you can tell by the face mask this was sort of covid era

• 31:00Speaker 07

  we will not let fear win a world without trans people has never existed a world without drag has never existed and it never will

• 31:09Speaker 03

  work it girl

• 31:11Speaker 07

  have always been here amongst us

• 31:14Tom Ellsworth?

  unlike she's a 2SL GBT Q I Q plus.

• 31:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that was but that was before they added the Q in the M M I W.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 31:21Tom Ellsworth?

  They don't have hats. It doesn't fit. They only have T shirts.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Well, can we just address the fact that she's saying that there's a genocide happening where people are murdering and killing trans people, L G B T. It's that's it's false from beginning to end. You know who's doing mass shootings and it's the L G B T Q community that are on all these hormone adjusting, whatever the hell you call it. They're the one. The majority of the past mass shooters in this country are people in that community. And she has the audacity to come out and say that they're the ones being targeted.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  But but also the violence in that community is, you know, call it trans on trans. It is generally speaking, the victims of trans violence are people who live in that community. It's not. It's not straight white dudes that are going in there looking to assault trans people.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  No, it's unbelievable.

• 32:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what kind of a poll did you just run? Rob ran a poll. It says, how do you identify heterosexual, homosexual, non-binary, they, them, he, she, or M M I W G S two? And by the way, 11% of our audience says they're with M M I.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  It's a troll. They're.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  They're hilarious.

• 32:21Tom Ellsworth?

  It's gotta be the.

• 32:22Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that tells you how funny the audience is. You guys are funny. Adam, go ahead.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, as a local M M I G W D B L G B T. Let me just speak for a second. By the way, I knew it. That she casually dropped. I've never even heard this term before. M M I W G to L G B T Q I. When you casually say something that's so completely out of the ordinary. Like, I remember a couple of days ago, Pat's like, yeah, so Trump called me the other day. We're like, what? Just casually dropped it.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  So that's where it perplexes people. I remember my buddy, the basketball player Kelly Olynyk, he's like, oh, what's for lunch today? By the way, I just signed a $60 million deal. I go, what? You're focused on lunch?

• 33:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  You just signed an NBA contract, 60 million? You're focused on sushi? It throws you off. And that's what happened here. It's like, I don't even see this coming. The fact that she, what'd you say, casually dropped it as if no big deal?

• 33:11Speaker 03

  M M I W murdered, missing indigenous women, the two S, the two spirit. What's what's amazing, though, is, um, now I just totally forgot.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  It's okay, but Pat brought up the point is, I remember when it just used to be, hey, let's treat gay people with respect. Okay, cool. Hey, gay people, get married. Lesbians. And then this T thing showed up. And then when the T opened the door, all the other.

• 33:35Tom Ellsworth?

  letters in the alphabet are like, we're with you right now. But here's the fundamental point. Because I know people in Canada and they all want the hell to get the hell out of there. My sister's Meredith, Canadian. He's grateful to live in Florida. The bigger story here is. There's people out there that genuinely hate with a passion. The white, Christian, male patriarchy. That's what this comes down to. Is they're trying to basically tear down the patriarchy. And these, and they're basically trying to institute whatever this is. So it's incumbent on normal sensible. The 90% of our audience that doesn't identify as MMIGP. To basically say, here's what's going on.

• 34:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's a challenge.

• 34:16Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a man's world.

• 34:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's a challenge. Here's a challenge with Canadians. The challenge with Canadians is. They're too nice to liberals. They're way too nice to liberals. They're way too tolerant to liberals. They're way too, you know, like when Pierre Poliev wasn't going on, I'm like, you did not go on the Joe Rogan podcast? While you needed to go? You didn't go on Nelk Boys? You didn't go on, you didn't go on Theo? You didn't go on any of these podcasts when you needed? And then you did? You're a coward when you didn't go. Now, I give him credit that he went on it. By the way, just so, we've not invited him since the first time we invited him two years ago. I don't have any interest for Pierre coming back down here and sitting on and talking. I wanted him to have courage when you needed to have courage. Hang on, let me finish my point. So, Aviva, I'll come to you when I want you to jump in. Just hang tight, I want to make my point here.

• 35:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Canadians need to elevate. The conservatives that are being willing to be more vocal and make noise. Okay? You can't just sit around and be afraid of your mainstream media and say, but you don't understand what Canada's like. But you don't understand what Canada's like. I love it when I first came, we opened up an office in Florida. And I came to the office and everybody was late and everybody would say to me. But Pat, this is people on Miami time. You don't understand what people are like, you know? People in Miami don't show up on time like people in LA. I said, it's bullshit. You know, you made yourself believe that I'm supposed to accept your standards? Not going to accept your standards. It's not your standards. I see you think the people that are winning like we had a meeting yesterday when you know what Taylor said?

• 35:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what Taylor said that was so powerful? Taylor yesterday in a meeting that were everybody's training, everybody's having their own opportunities. Guys are doing very well. Our consulting firm had an explosive, explosive Q1. The biggest growth we've ever had in the history of the company in any quarter. It was the biggest quarter in the history of the company times two. Insane on what happened on Q1.

• 36:09Patrick Bet-David?

  But she said, she's been working with us for four and a half years. Look what she said. The most intimidating thing Taylor said yesterday was the following. She says, do you know for the last four and a half years, I've never come to the office once after eight o'clock? I've never once come to the office after eight o'clock. What does that mean? She's always here at seven o'clock, seven fifteen, seven thirty, seven twenty, seven forty-five. Do you know how intimidating that is when you say something like that to people that are even more educated than you? More talented than you, smarter than you. You're never been, you've never been here after eight? Never. I'm always before eight. Go ahead and compete. How are you gonna compete? So it doesn't matter what she came here from Michigan. It doesn't matter where you go. So when people tell me, but it's a Canadian thing, you don't understand. Stop accepting that as the truth that they want to convince you to do.

• 36:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to fight back with that or else you're gonna get stuff like this that your kids are gonna be fed every day. And you're gonna have to say, my kid went to school and on the quiz, my son came home and he had to learn what the MMIW, whatever stuff is. No, I don't want, we're not doing that. So I think that's the challenge that Canadians are facing. Viva.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  The problem is, and what you're describing is even the conservative Canadians put up with this crap. Like they don't have greater expectations.

• 37:15Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a problem though, Viva.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  And the Canadian conservatives vote unanimously for the conversion therapy ban that basically.

• 37:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Then they deserve everything they're getting.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  That's the issue.

• 37:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And then they deserve everything they're getting.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  Pierre comes on, does Joe Rogan, not during the election, after he's lost it. But you know, so far out of the next election, nobody's gonna remember a damn thing. It is, well, it's institutionalized insanity. It's institutionalized cowardice. And people tend to say like Canadians are polite. They're subservient. They don't mind being subservient to a greater authority, that being the government. And they get very angry at people who are not subservient to that government.

• 37:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is the person with the biggest backbone that doesn't care? Who is the biggest conservative? in Canada with the biggest backbone that'll go after everybody. Who is that?

• 37:56Speaker 03

  I there's one

• 37:56Patrick Bet-David?

  who that person it's not is it Maxime Bernier?

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Well, without going to the obvious Maxime Bernier, there's a guy named Roman Baber in the Conservative Party, who was very vocal.

• 38:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Pull up his name, Rob.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Roman Baber, yep. And then there's another one, the doctor, I'm gonna forget his name right now. I'll have to check my, uh.

• 38:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he a heavyweight? Is Roman a heavyweight?

• 38:13Speaker 03

  No, he's he's a new, I think he's a new inductee into the Conservative Party.

• 38:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Go into Roman Baber, Rob, cop, copy paste, put him in YouTube and then go to filters and check popularity to see what's the most views he's ever gotten on on YouTube. Let's just kind of check, uh. Go filter, go to popularity. Let's see how many views he's got. Yeah, he's got work to do. He's got work to do. 196 is not enough. 150 is not enough. 61 is not enough. He's got work to do. He needs to, he needs to, uh, uh. He needs to have a consulting from a camp that teaches him how to uh, give messages that go viral to get a little bit more vocal because that's not going to cut it. You need somebody that knows how to make some noise in a way where the world starts paying attention to your country and the issues that are happening. So maybe he needs, maybe he needs, um.

• 38:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know how Wally speaks. You need to be able to deliver your message in a way that's disrupting some of the audience.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Let me tell you why I agree with you so much.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Premier of Alberta. Danielle Smith, well, she's up there already. And the other one was Matt Strauss, who you might want to also pull up right now.

• 39:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Do the same exact thing with Matt Strauss, Rob. Go on YouTube, check him out the same exact way.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  You'll, you'll, you'll come with similar results, but this is the problem in Canada. This is a man also who was quite outspoken during COVID. Um, a decent, a good man, decent conservative, but you know, politics is what it is. Everyone has to defer to the cowardice of Pierre Poliev.

• 39:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, no, he's not there either. We got work to do. We got work to do. But listen, you know, all these guys that they're doing what they're doing, somebody needs to rise up. Your country is in a perfect position for somebody to be the hero.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  You know what book everyone in Canada needs to read, especially in the Conservatives? It's a book you always recommend. It's called No More Mr. Nice Guy. I'll tell you something. Uh, when people try to say, oh, this is my friend Adam, he's nice. I go, I'm not nice. Straight up. I'm kind. I'm not nice, though. And I go over that all the time. We talked about this before. Uh, Vinnie. Nice is different from kind. Nice, you know, you see, we talk about Minnesota. My mom's from Minnesota. I say, oh, it's a Minnesota nice. Everyone's so nice. Look at Minnesota now.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  It's because they didn't have kindness. They had niceness. What's the difference? Because it sounds the same, right? So, nice pleases you short term, temporary. It avoids conflict. Like if your girl goes, "Hey, do you like my outfit?" You go, "Of course." "Does this make my butt look big?" "No, you look great, babe." But if your boy shows up, you've met my buddy Joe.

• 40:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought you were gonna say, "But if your boyfriend asks."

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, if your boyfriend shows up.

• 40:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But if your boy shows up.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Kind, you say the truth even if it hurts. And guys do this way better than women. My buddy Joe, he'll watch this. One day he shows up in an outfit. We're gonna go out and he's like, "What's up, man? We're gonna go out tonight." I go, "You're not wearing that, bro." He goes, "What do you mean?" I'm gonna go, "You have a brown shirt and brown pants. You look like a human piece of..." He goes, "Oh!" I go, "Go upstairs and change, dude. You're not, I'm not taking you out in Miami like this." He goes, "Oh, okay." Went, put on jeans and white shirt. You look great. Now, if I was nice, I'd be walking around with a human piece of... all night. And we're not getting any fun, no action. But he changed, and all of a sudden, life was good. What's my point? Guys are kind. Guys will say things even if it hurts you.

• 41:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, not Canadian guys.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  That's my point. That's why they need to read this book. Stop being so nice, Canadians.

• 41:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let's go to the next one.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Be kind, not nice. Tell the truth, even if it hurts.

• 41:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you who I don't want to be nice to, kind to, or anything to, okay? Whatsoever. This guy who in North Texas, Rob, if you want to play this clip. This guy I have zero tolerance for in North Texas, who is delivering a Barbie doll. He's an independent contractor for FedEx. He's a driver. While he's delivering this Barbie doll to the seven-year-old, he asked the kid to come, and this is November of 2022, if I'm not mistaken with the dates. She comes in the truck, and then, nobody knows what happens. The kid disappears. Everyone's trying to find out what happens. He apparently covers the camera, okay?

• 42:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So, nobody will see what he ends up doing to her. And now in court, this week, while they have the court, during court, they play the audio. It's not public. We don't have it. But they're showing voice how the kid was fighting him, fighting for her life.

• 42:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And he ends up killing her. Okay, he ends up killing her, the seven year old kid that he was delivering a Barbie to. He ends up killing her. Then while he's going through and he says, I cannot believe, what does he say? I will not be able to see.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  He said, I'm not going to be able to see, I can't believe this. I'm not, I'm gonna miss Christmases with my children and all that. He's trying to make them feel bad for him because he's not going to be able to see his kids.

• 42:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And then he, his claim is he heard what?

• 42:58Speaker 02

  He heard a voice in his head named Zero that told him to do all these things and told him to kill her.

• 43:04Patrick Bet-David?

  A, a voice named Zero now, you, if you guys haven't seen Primal Fear, you guys know if you are your friends with me, you're gonna watch Primal Fear with me. If you've seen Primal Fear with Edward Norton.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what is the story of Primal Fear about with Richard Gere and Edward Norton?

• 43:16Speaker 02

  He, he kills this priest because you know, all this abuse and all this stuff.

• 43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And all this stuff.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  And then he acts like he, he's like crazy and he has multiple personality syndrome. Or was it, was it Tom where you switch? Is it?

• 43:27Tom Ellsworth?

  At very at the end where he asks him, well then how did you know and how did you remember?

• 43:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And he starts clapping.

• 43:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Stop, he goes.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:35Tom Ellsworth?

  That one was for you.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:37Tom Ellsworth?

  That was a work of art.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  He acted like he was, he had like a, a, a snap and he played it beautifully.

• 43:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And we're supposed to believe that, you know, this person deserves dignity. This person deserves, you know, dignity for what he did. The FedEx driver who abducted a seven year old girl driving to, hurt to death complains about how bad life is if he goes to prison. Tanner Horner abducted and killed Athena Strand while delivering a Barbie to her home in North Texas. In newly released footage, Horner could be heard whining to police about how he won't be able to watch his sons grow up. Horner was heard accusing a voice in his mind name Zero of making him kill her. I'm going to miss out on all my sons' Christmases, birthdays, growing up, and I'm gonna miss out on everything. All because I listened to the stupid voice that isn't probably even there. Do you want to play this audio real quick on what he's saying to the cops? Go for it.

• 44:28Speaker 00

  Okay, I can't.

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• 45:32Speaker 00

  Well, I don't know what I would say to that. I mean, this is one of those probation things. This is one of those, I'm going away for a long time type of things. I don't think I'm gonna miss out on all of my...

• 45:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That's how life works. Yeah.

• 45:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna miss out on that. The parents of Athena are never gonna see her.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  You're going to be okay? No, I'm not. Why do you think that? I'm gonna miss out on all my things, Christmases, just birthday, throwing up. I'm gonna miss out on everything.

• 46:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go to the other one, Rob? That the reports of what was said in court when...

• 46:21Speaker 02

  The lawyer?

• 46:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Prosecutor?

• 46:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Is this it, or is it the other one?

• 46:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, that's right up. Show more?

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 46:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Show more, Rob. Go on the show more top. You're right there. We have DNA. Not only do we have initial DNA from Athena that has Tanner's Horners, we also have Tanner Horners DNA in places where you shouldn't find DNA on a seven-year-old girl. Okay, so here's a question. What should happen to Tanner Horner? Honestly? What state is he in? North Texas. What should happen to Tanner Horner? You already know. What should happen to him?

• 46:53Tom Ellsworth?

  We need deterrence, and it needs to be severe. You know, you need your day in court. We don't arrest people in day one and take them out back and just execute them against a brick wall. But once they have their day in court and it's all things like this, and he's confessing to it, there needs to be deterrence. There needs to be absolute deterrence. And I studied what Chuck Colson, who was a Watergate co-conspirator who did time and came in and then did his life trying to serve in the prison system, Pat. And what he said was, "There is no longer deterrence." And the recidivation rate was because prison had become crime college. We need deterrence. And back in like 1980, there was a movie called Scared Straight. And it wasn't like straight gay.

• 47:37Tom Ellsworth?

  It was scared straight, like to the straight path and not to be committing crime. And it scared the hell out of young men of all colors of the realities what was going on inside prisons. And so there, what you found was deterrence because people were scared to death of the consequence. People are no longer scared to death of the consequence. Liberals will commute your sentences and get things. There needs to be deterrence, and there needs to be a rough outcome here. We're not barbaric, but there can be absolutely rough outcomes that cause people to think twice about it.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  Patrick, you know, at the beginning, you said, "What do you do with people who don't have a fear of death or who don't have a fear of God?" Well, the example you make out of them is not for them because they can't be cured and they can't be redeemed. It's for others. And so, you know, I'm not going back. Public hanging, I mean, I know people would say, "It has to be public. It has to be visceral. It has to be shocking to anybody else out there who would ever even dream of doing something so dark and sinister." I don't think we're going to get there. Life, you know, just throw away the key or swift execution would be one thing. In this particular case, though, one of the attenuating details, because we're going to compare it to the North Carolina one, is whether or not this guy's actually crazy. By what I understood from the case, he accidentally struck the girl, and then it sounds like he panicked after he hit her with the vehicle, then put her in the vehicle. And you can now sort of understand what this guy's thinking is like, "I hit this girl

• 48:56Speaker 03

  with my car. I'm going to lose my job. I'm going to ruin my kid's Christmas." And so then, in that moment, not a history of schizophrenia, the guy says... Reacting like a dumb criminal, "I'm gonna kill this girl, this is how I'm gonna hide my accident, keep my job, not, you know, ruin my kid's Christmas, and murder a seven-year-old girl to cover up for my initial crime." I mean, that's how I would frame this. And then he talks about a voice in his head.

• 49:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You're a lawyer, no?

• 49:15Speaker 03

  No, I mean, but then, you know, then he makes up a voice in his head, "Well, if I plead insanity, if I look crazy, then maybe I'll get a softer deal."

• 49:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Can you back up into your framing and just take me to, "And we found DNA in places on a seven-year-old girl where you shouldn't find DNA."

• 49:27Speaker 03

  That, that I don't, you know.

• 49:29Tom Ellsworth?

  This is not panic, because I hit her at the truck, right?

• 49:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, this is, this is, I mean, it, it, it's, there's no attenuating it, it's just to say that this guy's not crazy.

• 49:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the recording that they played in court?

• 49:38Speaker 03

  The recording that they played in court?

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Is, he tries covering up the camera, but like an idiot, doesn't realize that you're gonna still get audio, and she's fighting for her life, and he records him strangling her and doing whatever to her. And what drives me crazy is that the parents who are in the courtroom, besides everybody else, these are all prosecutors, defend all the jury, the mother and father have to hear the final moments, because they have to hear it, they're in court, of their seven-year-old daughter getting potentially the R-word and murdered. And that's, that audio is going to stick with them forever. Pat, think, think, put, I know, it's stories, put yourself there.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  The hardest call I've ever had to make was calling my mother. My cousin called me and said, "Hey, my father passed away, lot of details, can you call and tell your mom?" Me, call, I've never been so scared to make that phone call. And Pat, to hear my mom, like, I, I, I felt it, the moment was coming, and I say, "Mom, are you okay? You're sitting down?" And when I told her, I heard a part of her soul die. Die. I heard, I heard like, I felt her soul, a part of it die. So I can imagine what the parents are hearing, Pat. And you guys know, we always talk about this, uh, Tom. What, uh, in the Bible, Matthew chapter 18, verse 6, says, "If anyone causes any of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it's better for them to have a millstone hung around their neck

• 51:06Speaker 02

  and drowned into the deepest parts of the ocean." Okay, there's a difference between law and, you know, God, you know, what God said. What he's supposed to do, Pat, he doesn't deserve to live, okay? I have to pray for him. Adam, this is the hardest part we always talk about. I, Vincent O'Shaughnessy, have to pray for him. The parents, God bless them, have to pray for this guy's soul because he better come to Christ, Adam, because guess what? If he doesn't truly do it, he's going to be in a horrible, horrible place for eternity. And that's the truth.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  He'll be there anyhow. Well, there's no redemption for certain things. You know when the last use of the guillotine was in France? What year? How recently would you think it was?

• 51:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Seventy-four.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Seventy-seven, not bad. The, um, when you have an admission, when you no, when you have an admission and you, and you, and you, there's no clear defense of mental insanity, you have a trial and then there should be some form of public execution. Period. The, the, the defense of criminal, you know, lack of criminal insanity, which we're going to get to in the North Carolina prison, locked away for life, period. You want to be institutionalized, that's fine if you're not criminally responsible. This death penalty.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  And you know why I think the public, doing it publicly, bro? For people to see it. Like when you see pedophiles, you just hear, okay, they're gonna go to jail, hopefully the prisoners, Pat, do something. You do it publicly, you show everybody, like in the Middle East, you steal, there's places, they'll chop your hand off, bro. Theft in the Middle East is the lowest anywhere because they chop your hand off. People just hear the story of, oh, the guy's in prison, hopefully they kill him in prison. Because there's no, brother, these guys in prison are all murderers, they're killers, they're thieves. Their moral code stops right there where they go, if you harmed a child, we're going to find you and we're gonna kill you and we don't care about our consequence. That should tell you everything. I think, Pat, he makes a good point.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  You have to show the public because, let's just say he gets, does Texas have an electric chair?

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Capital punishment.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Capital punishment. Nobody sees it, it's in a room, they give him nice and he goes away peacefully and that's how he goes? I think you show that to people, Pat, you pump fear in people's hearts because that's the only way you're gonna let them know, you harmed a freaking seven-year-old child like this, bro? It's gonna be bad for you and everybody's gonna see it.

• 53:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, well, you're bringing up the Christian thing versus the Middle East, the Muslim thing. Christians, God bless you guys, you are so nice. The fact that you're able to pray for someone like this, or the fact that you guys think that this guy somehow, if he accepts

• 53:40Speaker 06

  Jesus, God, God bless, is gonna end up in heaven? He murdered and allegedly raped a seven-year-old girl? That, to me, I have a really hard time grappling with. Respect to everyone's religious beliefs. This person needs to be held to the highest extent of the law. I mean, I, public execution would not be severe enough. This is disgusting. The, you know, what is it? Hammurabi's Code, Eye for an Eye? Everything about this person needs to be plucked out. We need to be way harder in this country on hardcore criminals? And treat, you know, light criminals, smoking weed, doing those things, way easier. I do agree that the Middle East is a lot safer.

• 54:24Speaker 06

  Because basically, if you look the wrong way, they'll cut off your eye. That's a little extreme to me. I remember when people were like, the, the school shooters? With everything that happened, remember the thing in Michigan? Where I said, some, these families need to be held accountable. If your kid takes the family gun and goes out and kills a bunch of kids? I want the parents in jail. People said, you can't be held accountable for something your kids do? Then what happened? Remember exactly what happened?

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Michigan did it.

• 54:48Speaker 06

  Michigan did it. So I'm not saying, I don't know what's gonna happen with this guy and his family. I think we need to make crazy examples of these people. Public executions, what'd you call it? The guillotine? Whatever we have to do. The sickness i- i- is part of our society and it needs to be rooted out to the extreme.

• 55:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to make that example. I mean, you, you're talking about castration, you're talking about give 30 minutes in a room, handcuffed with the father to get that moment with you. You're talking about, I'm talking about, in any way for the next person to sit there and say, I don't ever want this. You have to humiliate this guy in front of his kids. You have to humiliate this guy in front of his kids. Where he realizes, oh my God, like, what is, if he's saying he's gonna miss his kid's Christmas? You have, so the next father's like, there's no way in the world I want to get this level of humiliation in front of my kids. This is disgusting when you hear stories like this. And this leads me, leads me to the next one. Avini and Aviva, I want to come to you guys. Charlotte Light Rail Murder.

• 55:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Suspect ruled incompetent to stand trial as history of crazed claims trial case. Okay, page 14.

• 55:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And Rob, I think you got a clip on this one as well. The man accused of killing a young woman in North Carolina light train has been deemed incompetent to stand trial in a state case following a mental evaluation according to newly released court. Can you imagine this? Is incompetent to do that. DeCarlos Brown Jr., 34, is charged in the fatal stabbing of Ukrainian woman Irina Zarutskaya, 23, aboard light rail links, Blue Line in Charlotte, August 22, 2025. This is less than a year ago. Reports stemming from Brown's time as a patient at Central Regional Hospital determined he was incapable to proceed in the upcoming state criminal trial, according to court documents obtained by Fox News. This is separate from a federal case that he is also facing stemming from alleged attack.

• 56:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Brown, a homeless man diagnosed with schizo, is currently in federal custody on separate charges relating to the alleged murder. Vinnie, I'm coming to you first, and then Viva, I'm coming to you next.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Well, and they left out the part where he walked away and said, I got a white girl. I got a white girl. Crazy people are, that's a mission that he was on to do. And mind you, Pat, he was arrested 14 times since 2007, and the crimes included assault, armed robbery, breaking and entering, firearm possession, other felony offenses. He had, they said he got schizophrenia diagnosis. His own mother warned the courts, Tom, that he should not be on the streets. And just before killing her, he was released again on a cashless bail. And then he ran on the train, stabbed her in the neck. That's complete and total failure. If you guys remember, Jeffrey Dahmer murdered 17 people,

• 57:33Speaker 02

  dismembered their bodies, ate some of them, ate some of them, found competent for trial. I think this is complete BS, okay? So 14 times offender, Pat, this is the system. This is a system failing, and it's absolute BS. And it happens all, this is, this is just one time that it's happening, and they keep blaming this insanity nonsense. You guys kept letting him get out, and this happens way too much, Pat. It happens way too much, and it's not slipping through the cracks. They don't give a damn. They don't care. How are you arrested 14 times? How? And you keep getting put on the street, and your mother says that you shouldn't be on the street? And then he does, and it's just an excuse. It's just an excuse.

• 58:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what is this? He just showed up? This is all of his mug shots over the years, the 14 times that he's been arrested. Are you sure that bottom left one is him?

• 58:22Speaker 03

  From the left, I'm not sure about that one, but I know the rest are. This was the graphic that was widely circulating of all of his arrests.

• 58:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. So, Viva, how do you process this yourself?

• 58:31Speaker 03

  It well, it would could be one of the cases where someone is legally mentally incompetent to stand trial because they are in a state. My best friend's father growing up was a criminal lawyer, still is. He told us of one of these cases where a guy does cocaine for the first time in his life, has a total psychotic break, is dissociated from his body, goes to a random person's house and beats them to death with a crowbar. And then the argument is not that he's innocent, but that he did cocaine and that's voluntary intoxication. But that he's criminally not responsible for what happened afterwards because it was literally like being an automaton. There are limits to that defense, but and he wasn't defending himself on the basis of innocence, but rather temporary insanity. In a case like this, the guy has a history of schizophrenia.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  It is an institutional failure. There's zero question about that. We live in a world now where you empower mental illness instead of treating it. And so they say you can't institutionalize these people because you have to respect autonomy of individuals and leave schizos who are violent and dangerous on the streets because you can't involuntarily confine them anymore. But him being found criminally incompetent to stand trial, he's not going to go free. He'll be institutionalized, hopefully for the rest of his life, because once you do something like that in a dissociative state, you are forever a risk to society. But it's not like he's going to walk free. This might be one of those cases of a systematic failure of the institutions. But a man who is clearly out of his mind and insane.

• 59:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, you know what? California's got the three strikes laws and once we determine that someone who's committing violent crimes, and look, he had a history of violent crimes. Not all of those mug shots were for violent crimes. But good Lord, let's just assume that one picture is not there. We have 13. Let's say it's not 14. Let's say it's 13 and some of those were violent. So therefore, what failed was you didn't get this guy into an institution or figure out what to do with him. So he's not back out on the streets. And what the most galling part of this is it's

• 1:00:32Tom Ellsworth?

  It's on the liberal side, and there is a line of thought that is in liberal politics, that it's not really the victim's fault, it's society's inequality and unfairness that drives people to steal, to do this, to respond, to do things like that, and therefore, we should have compassion for the criminal. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The state of North Carolina, whoever's responsible for those 13 instances and run-ins with this guy, you failed, you failed. And I believe that the family has a cause against the state for gross negligence of executing. Why, why, what do we execute the principles of our justice systems for? To keep the city safe for everyone else. So that the law-abiding citizens that are doing the right things, living the right lives,

• 1:01:17Tom Ellsworth?

  don't have to live in fear because these, we have these defective units are out there, regardless of how it happens. It can, happens, it happened, David, it happens permanence by the willing use of street drugs that causes permanent, permanent psychosis. It's like, okay, well, you made the choice, and now you're defective, and we gotta do something with you, but we can't keep turning you back on, on the street. And, and I, I am, it's like, we don't need, you know, three-strikes laws like we had in California, where kids with three, you know, drug sales, and two of them were selling marijuana. We had kids in California, the two other three, three strikes were sale of marijuana. You step back and go, whoa, then that three-strikes law failed. But in this case, come on.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  It's the meme, like, send in a social worker. That's what they would have done with an individual like this. He should have been institutionalized, and you need to bring back mental institutions to some extent, because right now, the prison system is the de facto mental institution.

• 1:02:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I remember, there used to be insane asylums in this country. Right now, there are mental health facilities. Or they're just put in jail, and then they're just, the cops have to deal with them. By the way, if you've ever seen the old Johnny, the old Tonight Show, when Johnny Carson would make jokes about Camarillo. The reason he made jokes about Camarillo, California, because there was an institution that was run by the state that was for these people. But in combination of budget cuts, and what the liberals called, you know, criminal justice reform, they shut them down. And so these, there it is, California State Mental Hospital, and part of it was incarcerated, and part of it was people that were just developmental disabilities and mental health in Camarillo. Is this on screen, Rob? This is when Johnny Carson would say, "Well, you know, Ed, you gotta be careful there. They might send you off to Camarillo."

• 1:03:00Tom Ellsworth?

  And that was Johnny Carson making jokes about this, but Camarillo was known as this place with it. And guess what? The liberals got it closed. They closed it, they defunded it, and where did those people go? They became homeless or on the street? Or the justice, the justice system in California didn't have a place for them. So the systems have failed the honest, law-abiding citizens.

• 1:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, I mean, you can never take anything away from the Camarillo outlets. To the people who live in that area, you know what I'm talking about. It's hands down one of the best outlets and right outside of Thousand Oaks, Camarillo is now a much better facility. I'm sure there's still some crazy people there, but you know, I have a lot of memories of doing a lot of things in Camarillo. But you know, you're right when you think about that, right? There's levels of crazy, okay? So what if, if Trump is talking about he wants to reopen Alcatraz, okay? If he's talking about he wants to open up Alcatraz, I just don't think I want to put these guys in a crazy place. I don't think that's enough of a example to make. It needs to be an example for the guy that's flirting with being crazy to say,

• 1:04:03Patrick Bet-David?

  "I am, I am not wanting that to happen to me." What percentage is gonna be like, "You know what? I'm not doing this. If it helps 30%, 40%, do it." If it helps those to say, "I'm not wanting to go to this level, do it." "You put me in a mental institution, you're gonna feed me for the rest of my life? Give me a house with a roof over my head." You know what? Alright, cool. That's not that bad. I'll go hang out with other crazies like myself. You, you understand what the thought process goes to.

• 1:04:27Tom Ellsworth?

  But I'm not, I'm not worried about that guy or how he feels. I'm worried about the person that he kills. And their family. We have to stop putting ourselves in the criminal's shoes. Well, you have to understand, he had a tough life. You have to understand, his father wasn't there for him. He murdered a seven-year-old girl. He murdered a poor, innocent woman. Why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt? The man is an absolute Absolute menace to society. This soft on crime nonsense is perplexing. Pat, what's the thing you always say that whatever the situation genetics loads the gun? That your personality aims the gun, but then your life experiences pulled the trigger? Whatever it is, these people, you said three strikes, you're out? This guy's, how many times? It was California, three strikes.

• 1:05:12Tom Ellsworth?

  How many times has he gotten, 14 times? This guy should have had the death penalty already. Oh, Adam, you're way too aggressive on crime.

• 1:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you screaming so much today?

• 1:05:21Tom Ellsworth?

  So I'm just.

• 1:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  How much, like you've been screaming nonstop all day and we're sitting right next to you on every story you're screaming.

• 1:05:27Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'm the angry patriot.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I didn't realize. Sorry, Vinnie.

• 1:05:30Tom Ellsworth?

  But I mean, but, but at what point are we just gonna say enough's enough with these freaking people?

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just curious that how many arrests have to happen? Okay, let's say, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Three arrests where they're like, okay, this is, he's, he's crazy.

• 1:05:44Tom Ellsworth?

  For what though?

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Well, stealing guns, all the crimes that he's done. Once you get to, okay, five, it's like this guy cannot function in society. Okay, now, this was years ago, now we know he's a schizophrenic. He's diagnosed his, by the way, if my mother walked in here right now and talked to Pat and say, hey, Pat, listen, Vinnie has multiple personality syndrome. One of these people that's living inside of him is violent. Don't hire him. I would expect Patrick to take my mother's advice and say, Vinnie, I love you. You're great around my family. You're like my brother. I can't have you around because your mother, the person that knows you the best, says that you are freaking somebody else. So the fact that that happened and the court can't say, you know what? You're right. Let's deal with this. 14 arrests is, it's unbelievable.

• 1:06:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, maybe this is the wrong time to bring this up, but your mother called me last night.

• 1:06:35Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm, hey, man.

• 1:06:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me the truth.

• 1:06:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, I'm on the turn right now.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  No, the issue in this case is the violent crime. It's the violent crime coupled with the schizophrenia diagnosis. When I was a young lawyer at the firm I was at, we used to do these things called motions for confinement. You'd go to court and you would be basically involuntarily confining an individual who posed a risk to themselves or others. And some cases were clear cut, others were much more middle ground.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  But you know, there are circumstances where someone just needs to be institutionalized, medicated, put on a regiment, make sure that they're following the regiment in order to be re-released into the public. The flipside risk of all of this is that you start bringing back mental institutions, using them as political weapons. We saw, you know, I'm from Montreal where we had the Allen Memorial, we had MKUltra based out of Montreal. So you can see where the flipside risk of over-institutionalizing is. Declare every political rival mentally insane and institutionalize them is what communist regimes have done. There is a middle ground. The pendulum has clearly swung way too far to one side. Doesn't need to swing all the way back to the other. They need to be brought back. Violent schizophrenic mentally ill criminals need to be institutionalized, medicated, put on a regiment in order for them to be released into free society.

• 1:07:40Tom Ellsworth?

  You ever see the show Always Sunny in Philadelphia? You know, they had this conversation, I don't want to make light of the situation, but this is sort of a humorous approach to what we're talking about right now. You ever see the show?

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Always Sunny in Philadelphia? There's a great scene right there where Frank, Frank Reynolds, Danny DeVito, you know, he was in a mental institution. He was institutionalized for having donkey brains. And his son, Dennis, and his daughter went to go see what the mental institution was like. And they go, why is this place closed? There's crazy people walking on the streets. And he goes, yeah, it's a lot of money to keep this open. They're going to tax us more. And this is the scene, he goes, taxing us more? They already taxed us enough. I'm not paying any more taxes. She goes, I guess we're just going to let crazy people on the street. Crazy people on the street? We can't have crazy people on the street. We got to put them away. I guess we got to raise the taxes. I'm not getting my taxes raised. Enough's enough here. I guess we got to open a mental institution. And it goes back and forth and back and forth.

• 1:08:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Do you want taxes to take care of this? Do you want to take care of crazy people? This is the crazy part of this, is that there's no clear answer here. Do we want to tax people more? Do we want crazy people off the street? The reality is, we want low taxes and no crazy people, but what's the solution?

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, okay, we'll see. See what's going to happen. I'm going to get to the next story here. The president tweets something yesterday.

• 1:08:58Patrick Bet-David?

  That everybody online was reacting to. By the way, this tweet is so long. It may be his longest tweet, but I got, I gotta read it to you. And then we're gonna go around and react to it. So Rob, zoom in a little bit if you could. I have to put Mehran's favorite glasses on. Uh, Mehran, this is a shout out to you, buddy. I know you love these glasses. Uh, I know why Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones have been fighting me for years, especially by the fact that they think it is wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror to have a nuclear weapon, because they have one thing in common, low IQ. They're stupid people, they know it. Their families knows it. Why drop the families in it?

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:09:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And everyone else knows it too. Look at the past, look at their record. They don't have what it takes. They never did. They've all been thrown off television, lost their shows, and aren't even invited on TV because nobody cares about them. They're nut jobs, troublemakers, and will say anything necessary for some free and cheap publicity. And they think they get some clicks because they have third rate podcasts, but nobody is talking about them and their views are the opposite of MAGA. Or I wouldn't have won the presidential election in a landslide. MAGA agrees with me and just gave CNN 100% approval rating of Trump, not hand, hand flailing fools like Tucker Carlson, who couldn't even finish college. He was a broken man when he got fired from Fox. And he's never been the same. Perhaps he should, uh, see a good psychiatrist. I didn't go this far.

• 1:10:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Psychiatrist or Megyn Kelly, who nastily asked me, the now famous only Rosie O'Donnell question or crazy Candace Owens, who accuses the highly respected first lady of France of being a man, when she is not and will hopefully win lots of money in the ongoing lawsuit. Actually, to me, the first lady of France is far more beautiful.

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• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  He lost me right here.

• 1:11:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what you said.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Far more beautiful than Candace. In fact, it's not even close. Or bankrupt Alex Jones, who says some of the dumbest things and lost his entire fortune, as he should have, for his horrendous attack on the families of Sandy Hook shooting victims, ridiculously claiming it was a hoax. These so-called pundits are losers, and they always will be. Now, fake Fox News, fake news CNN, the failing New York Times and all of the other radical left news organizations are hailing them and giving them positive press for the first time in their lives. They're not MAGA, they're losers. They're just trying to latch on to MAGA. As president, I could get them on my side anytime I want to, but when they call, I don't return their calls because I'm too busy on world and country affairs. And after a few times, they go nasty, just like Marjorie "Trader" Brown.

• 1:12:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But I no longer care about that stuff. I only care about doing right for our country. MAGA is about winning and strength and is not allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons. MAGA is about making America great again. And these people have no idea how to do that, but I do because the United States is now the hottest country anywhere in the world. President Donald J. Trump. Vinnie?

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  I mean, because you know, he's saying this out loud and somebody's typing. I forgot who the girl was that sits there and just writes it. I mean, like, look, let's just be honest. Everything that's happening right now, all the, we have to be fair. All these people at one point were hardcore Trump, supporting Trump, and then everything shifted. I think, obviously, we have to, you know, say the elephant in the room. I think everything comes down to the Bibi Netanyahu-Israel situation, where they've all don't like it. They don't like Trump even going anywhere near the... By the way, he's saying all this to them, but then at the same token, he's praising Mark Levin, telling people, "Go watch Mark Levin", which is another weird thing. But the one thing in here, Pat, that drove me crazy, I mean, it's kind of, I mean, this is Trump.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  When people are like, "How, how could he? It's Donald Trump. He's gonna go after them. He's gonna go after their careers. He's gonna go after their family", when he's saying that... Brigitte Marc McCrone is, uh, wait, what was it? Can you scroll down a little bit, Rob? More beautiful. She's more beautiful woman than can, in fact, it's not even close. Made me laugh out loud. But I mean, this is it. This is, this is, when people say splintering the party, uh, this is exactly what they're talking about. I'm not, I've never seen something this long. It took me a while to read.

• 1:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Me? Uh, I said, listen, he's saying what a lot of people are feeling. I think a lot, a lot of this comes down to the fact that Charlie Kirk is no longer with us. If Charlie was here, a lot of the craziness on the right would have been subdued. I think we need to understand the importance of Charlie Kirk because he basically brought everyone together. And he opened up dialogue between everybody, debate between everybody. And he said, this is the limit. Was it called the Overton window? The Overton window was completely shifted. And now without Charlie, all the craziest things have now come to the forefront. It'd be so easy, we've talked about this on the podcast. It's so easy to just basically say, well, I don't know what happened to Tucker. Candace is crazy.

• 1:14:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what happened with Megyn Kelly. Alex Jones, like, I'm not even gonna do that. What I would like to say is, you know, we always talk about, Pat, who's in your ear? You, the listener out there, have a choice of who you consume. We get a lot of shout outs on Manact, hey, I love you guys, appreciate you guys. Even some, oh, you were wrong on this, great. What I would say is be very careful for who you're listening to every single day. You know who I listen to more often now? People that have not switched up all of a sudden, like Tucker has. You know who I listen to? Glenn Beck. Incredible. You know who I think is absolutely incredible and does not get her flowers? Do you know Dana Lash? You know who that is? She was, used to be the NRA girl. She's incredible.

• 1:15:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I listened to her for hours on end. She's incredible. I encourage you guys to go listen to her. Makes sense, ultra conservative. Brandon Tatum, Nick Mato. Even Mark Levin. You might not like him for whatever reason. Trump trusts him. So all these people who basically latched on to the MAGA movement, they're role players. They're not MAGA. What did he say about Trump as soon as he left office? I despise the man. I can't wait for him to leave office. I'm generally not sure what happened to Candace. A lot of it, you said, you said Bibi Netanyahu, the fact that we think that Bibi Netanyahu is controlling America is part of the problem. So they're allies of ours. Good for them.

• 1:16:13Patrick Bet-David?

  But let's just be very clear, Trump's in charge. All these people are second fiddle to Trump. We're, because we're in the podcast space, probably give these people a little bit more credibility than they deserve. And I would just encourage everybody out there to recognize who's in your ear. Are they opinions or are they actual news and facts?

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  I, first of all, preface this by saying, we all want Trump and the administration to succeed, period, full stop. I make a distinction between destructive criticism and constructive criticism. There's no constructive criticism that could be made of that tweet. It's, you know, I think the only people really defending it are a handful and they will defend whatever Trump does regardless of what Trump does. You said, you know, Charlie Kirk was keeping the fringe elements of the right in line. I view it the other way. I think Charlie Kirk was a voice of reason in Trump's ear. And when that voice of reason was snuffed out, you know, Kirk would have said, maybe hold off on that post for a little while. I view the post only from a question of logic and-

• 1:17:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying that Charlie Kirk would have held off Trump's posts?

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  I think-

• 1:17:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna object to that. Trump's been posting for 10 years, craziness.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Well, no, no, no. Mean tweets are different than that tweet. That's a distinction.

• 1:17:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a mean tweet.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  No, that is, that is a diatribe of what some will call a deranged tweet. And it contradicts itself.

• 1:17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's where you're going right now?

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  No, it was-

• 1:17:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump's deranged?

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  No, no, no. I'm going with that, that, that, nobody reads that post except for a handful of people and says, that's a great post. Nobody does.

• 1:17:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But is it true?

• 1:17:42Speaker 03

  But, but, well, how can it be true? In the same post, he says CNN gives me 100% approval and CNN is fake news. I mean, how do you make those two statements-

• 1:17:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, CNN did do that. We covered it on-

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  No, but first of all, but, but understand what I'm saying here. I've been saying for a little while, CNN coming out and saying Trump and MAGA has 100% approval. If you view that as a lens of fake news to convince Trump that what he's doing is pleasing MAGA, view CNN's statement as sabotage, not as truth, because it's not truth. And so, once you view it that way, you have Trump saying CNN is saying that I've got 100% support, when it quite clearly is not the case.

• 1:18:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So what's your point? That Tucker has credibility, that Megyn Kelly hasn't switched up, that Candace hasn't gone off the rails?

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Candace is-

• 1:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what you're saying?

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  Candace has gone off the rails on certain issues. Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson-

• 1:18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Certain issues. The main issue is that she basically is trying to torpedo Charlie Kirk's legacy. That's the, that's the criticism.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  But, but, hold on, that, that's not-

• 1:18:32Patrick Bet-David?

  She's doing documentaries about Eric Kirk-

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  That's not Trump's presidency, Adam. What I'm talking about, Trump's presidency-

• 1:18:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying, I'm going right to the source. He's calling these people out. Are you defending these people? I'm asking you.

• 1:18:43Speaker 03

  Am I defending these people? What, do you think it's a good move to go after Alex Jones? Who arguably, but not arguably, got Trump elected in 2016?

• 1:18:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I'll, I'll, I'll hear you, and I'll hear you and say, do you think it's a good move for Alex Jones to go after Trump? Cause he doesn't agree with one thing that Trump did.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  The one thing that could destroy-

• 1:19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  If we're talking about Iran, Trump's been talking about taking out Iran for decades.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  The one-

• 1:19:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And all of a sudden, he does it, and it's a bad thing?

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  The one, the one thing of a truth post in which Trump says, "A civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back."

• 1:19:12Patrick Bet-David?

  He didn't do it.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  Didn't do it is different than not putting that tweet out. When that post goes out, do I expect someone like Alex Jones, who has supported Trump the entire time, to maybe sound the bloody alarm to Trump? That's not a good post. Don't act, you don't get credit for not acting on that post. You should have not put that post out in the first place, and maybe it's the voices like Alex Jones that got Trump to take a step back.

• 1:19:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I hear you.

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe a civilization dying tonight, never to be brought back, is not a good thing for midterms and 2020s.

• 1:19:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Viva, I hear you, and I respect you. The words that he says, you're smart enough to realize, you can't go chasing all of Trump's words, you'll end up in the Asad asylum we talked about in the last segment. Follow his actions. Trump's trying to make a deal here. In my opinion, when Trump did that, he's basically saying, "Pay attention to me!" Cause something's about to happen in the next 24 hours. Because you know who's, you know who moves a move cycle? One person, Donald Trump. None of these other people. So, I'm trying to understand what your point is. That you're saying that Trump is bad for sending out a mean tweet?

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  Genuinely, let's distinguish between a mean tweet and that truth post, which, if it doesn't ruffle feathers, but if it gets his most ardent- supporters to say time to take a step back and if there's an eight o'clock deadline

• 1:20:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay.

• 1:20:22Speaker 03

  Sorry, I'm not gonna wait until tomorrow morning.

• 1:20:23Tom Ellsworth?

  I hear you, Veevee. So Alex Jones. They've been criticizing Trump for for a month now.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Well, for.

• 1:20:27Tom Ellsworth?

  If not longer.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  Well, but.

• 1:20:28Tom Ellsworth?

  So you're saying that was the shaw that broke the camel's back?

• 1:20:30Speaker 03

  They've been criti- no, you're saying they've been criticizing him for a month over the same issues and an escalation on that issue. Now, by the way, when it when that post came out and everyone's like, he's just negotiating, it's the art of the deal.

• 1:20:38Tom Ellsworth?

  What loyalty does Trump have to these people?

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  My my analysis of that tweet was it's not the art of a deal to make a threat in a tweet that you know that you can't follow through on. So he's coming out and saying, oh, civilization will end tonight, but I didn't do it. So I made that's the art of the deal. No. What I said at the time was he made a threat that he could not possibly follow through on. People knew it and now it's arguable as to whether or not the 10 point plan or the 14 point plan, whatever, is actually a victory for Trump or a victory for Iran. It doesn't matter. The good thing that happened at the end of that, whether or not it was because of or despite the opposition from Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, he stepped off the pedal a little bit. And now we are back in a world that is not on the verge of a cataclysmic World War III. You want to say that it had nothing to do with Alex Jones? We'll never know. Alex Jones voiced his concern, took a lot of shit for it.

• 1:21:21Speaker 03

  But ultimately, Trump took his foot off the pedal and now we're in a safer place than we would have been at eight o'clock Tuesday night had he gone through with that.

• 1:21:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Sure, I I hear what you're saying. I'll just ask you one question. Who do you think has the most credibility? Who do you trust the most at this point with these decision makings?

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  There's there's no room for trust.

• 1:21:36Tom Ellsworth?

  You trust Candace?

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  Trust but verify.

• 1:21:38Tom Ellsworth?

  You trust Tucker?

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  I I listen to Tucker.

• 1:21:41Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm asking you.

• 1:21:41Speaker 03

  I don't trust anybody except for a divine power.

• 1:21:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Sure.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  I'll listen.

• 1:21:45Tom Ellsworth?

  But there's levels of trust.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  No, there I think there's there's trust is a bizarre word. Verify. I'll listen to Tucker Carlson. I'll disagree with him when he had on Joe.

• 1:21:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Trust is a weird word now.

• 1:21:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you don't you don't trust. Trust implies that you abandon critical thought.

• 1:21:57Tom Ellsworth?

  There's levels of trust.

• 1:21:58Speaker 03

  No, there's verify. So don't I don't trust anybody except for my wife. I don't trust anybody. So now I'll listen.

• 1:22:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Why would you even trust your wife at this point?

• 1:22:05Speaker 03

  Because I've already dedicated my life to her. So if she defies.

• 1:22:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Did you verify that?

• 1:22:08Speaker 03

  If she defies me, then my life is effectively over. There's no one else who I've dedicated my life except for a divine power. I haven't dedicated to that.

• 1:22:14Tom Ellsworth?

  You don't trust anybody.

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  Okay, I don't trust anybody. But bottom line. Um, the trust, you listen to Tucker, I'll disagree with him when he says something crazy, like when he has on George Stephanopoulos's wife, uh, sister. And says that the Christian population in Israel is declining outright wrong, called him out at the time, but it's. I'll listen to Alex Jones, disagree with him at some times. You cannot deny the influence that Alex Jones has has. Has now was integral in Trump getting elected in 2016.

• 1:22:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not downplaying his.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  But then if you think it's a good idea. Six months out of the midterm to do that, what would have been better?

• 1:22:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I have a very, I have a very different perspective, but than either one of you guys.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  Well, I was gonna ask you, what did you think of the post?

• 1:22:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna get my thoughts, but I'm gonna go to Tom first and I'll give the final thoughts. Go ahead, Tom.

• 1:22:53Tom Ellsworth?

  I'll make this quick, a lot has already been said. Uh, I remember one time getting really lectured by my dad, like really lectured. And he had been pushed over the edge and he was going back and bringing up stuff that were months old. But I was his son and I was guilty of a lot of that. And I said, Mom, what was that all about? And she said, you and your dad have had two really rough weeks and he's really upset. Let him cool off. And that was really good advice. And I sit back here and I see, um, I don't wanna dissect the, the post, but there's a lot of people in there that have turned against him. And he's very frustrated by it. And he's looking for, for people, looking around, who are gonna be telling him the truth.

• 1:23:39Tom Ellsworth?

  You don't think he's sitting around and questioning some of these, some of these military advisors that have told him some things? You don't think he's a little frustrated? And then the people put it on, people looking at them, whoa, they, they supported him and now they're upset with him. So now they're saying these things. Look at the other way, he's like, they supported me and now they're saying these things and I was... And so I, I think it's, some of this, um, I agree with you about constructive and destructive criticism. But I think some of this is he really got pushed. And he's really gotten pushed by some of these people. And, um, that's what I think.

• 1:24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so here's, here's how I process this. I, I wrote this whole thing down while you guys are going back and forth to see where my mind is. Last night we're at the dinner, this tweet comes in, I'm reading it, I'm like, oh, what just happened right now? So let's, let's go through it. Number one, short term, midterm, long term. If we think about it short term, if Trump's made up his mind that he's doing this, and he's going with the war, with all the access to information that you got, you're going through it. You cannot be surprised if people are criticizing you. You're the man in the arena, okay? And you're not just any man in the arena, you're at the center of it. And everyone's eyes are on you, okay? So if I'm in this season and I'm him.

• 1:24:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And he knows what he's gonna be doing, you almost, you know how LeBron would do a blackout on Twitter when he was in the playoffs? Yeah. It was always a blackout on Twitter when you're in the playoffs, you're like, don't have any noise? I don't think he needs noise right now. While he's in it. I think take the trusted advisors, limited to 20 different people. Ask what they're thinking, he needs moments like this, like what just happened right now, this was great to kinda hear people out and go through it. And listen to reasonable players and. Don't put a lot of time into the emotional people that you know are not gonna support anything you do, like if I have a track record with you. And I know you've never supported me for anything I've said behind closed doors. I don't know Tucker and Trump's relationship. What I hear from a lot of people, Tucker's never liked Trump behind closed doors. Not in front of people, behind closers, you don't think Trump knows that?

• 1:25:41Patrick Bet-David?

  And I think in this case that he's in, he knows Megyn Kelly tried to come for him. When she asked that question and they went back and forth and it was great to see them on the 2024. When Megyn was up on stage and said good things about Trump, people wanted to see that, I thought it was a great moment. In election, but I think if you're here. And you've made up your mind, you're going through it. Don't pay any attention to the noise. Go through your advisors. And make the decision based on what your advisors and people are telling you. You're gonna get natural criticism and by the way. Here's a tough part about decision making. When I'm, when I'm an operator and I'm running a company, there was, there was a couple of guys that behind closed doors were so freaking manipulatively.

• 1:26:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Critical about every move I made, you know what I realized? I realized I am never gonna win them over, so their criticism had this much weight with me. Zero, I don't care what you say, your credibility is here, literally I never listened to anything they said. Then there was a guy that was 50 50 with criticism that he would give. And he had moral authority because he was building a business, that guy carried weight. And then there was the ass kissers that you couldn't ever do wrong. I couldn't go to them all the time because they would never tell me the real thing because they always wanted to just tell you whatever you wanted to hear. Trump needs to not be tempted by these guys and by these guys. Both of them are dangerous to you.

• 1:27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  The guys that you will never ever win over, you can't try to win them over. There is this element of a man like Trump or all of us that we want to win over the people that criticized us. We want to win them over. You're not going to. Right. So just let that go. And then there's the other part of guys that are sto- you're like, they're constantly doing what? They're constantly firing you up. Like I remember I had a couple of guys that would come to my office. Every time there was bad news, I would ask them, Tom, you'd remember this. I would say, hey, is there a reason why every time a crisis comes up, you go nuclear? We should fire him. We should terminate him. We should do this. I'm like, dude, I don't want to hear your voice anymore. So I stopped inviting them to my meetings. Then I would bring the guys to the meetings that would be like, nah, I don't think that we should do.

• 1:27:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I think they're just going through a season, maybe what it, what happened with their kids and what happened with their personal life. Let's pump the brakes. Let's give them a couple of weeks and follow up with them and talk to them about a month. And I even say, let's take them out to dinner this week. So wait, one is saying terminate, the other one's saying take them out to dinner. What a different perspective, right? So you have to be careful of both of these audiences. The ass kissing audience and the audience you're never going to win them over. They're part of the same exact political party within your organization. These are the reasonable people. Let's not get it twisted. People know where I stand. I'm from Iran. I was born and raised in Iran. I lived there for two, eleven years. I know what IRGC is like. I know how horrible it is for them. I feel so bad for the kids over there. I was a kid when the war happened.

• 1:28:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm, it breaks my heart when I see some of these videos. My dad sent me stuff this morning of an Assyrian church, what it was like in an Armenian church. So my heart breaks and I'd love to see Iran be free because I'd love to take my kids back to Iran to experience that. Because I grew up there. I want to go to Qiyabano Hujad, Parke Shahan Shahi, Bandar Palavi. I want to go to Rash, I want to go to Karaj where my dad worked. I want to go to these places, right? So that's my part. But, but guess what? Show me one video that Charlie Kirk wanted the Iran war to happen. He did not. He did not. How many video clips have we seen where Charlie Kirk was at? He was never supportive of it. He says, "Tell me about this war. Tell me about this war. Tell me about this war. Tell me about this war. Tell me about this war." But you want me to believe that this is gonna be the one that we're gonna go out there and do? Okay, I understand that's Charlie's position as well, that we gotta go through.

• 1:29:14Patrick Bet-David?

  That was Charlie. By the way, even that, as much as we all love Charlie, it doesn't mean Charlie's 100% right. So, some people may have a different argument and access to intel that maybe he didn't have. But guess what? We need more voices like Charlie that are willing to give that insight. But my feedback to the president is this. When I sat there last night and I'm thinking about it, was the president ever in the military?

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:39Patrick Bet-David?

  No. Does he, did he move up in the military like back in the days like Eisenhower? And he became a general where he knows, he goes into room and he talks to generals. He actually knows the terrain and all this stuff. Like we know how we're talking about Mike or we're talking to Dan, and Mike will say, "Whoa, in the Carac Island, there is these things and there is this, this." How do you know? "I've been there."

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  He's been there.

• 1:29:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so when you talk to guys that have been there, so I foresee the president, yesterday we had a conversation with Humberto and I said, "Hey, you're anti-war." He says, "I am." Vinny, look what I asked him. I said, "Are you supportive of what happened in Venezuela?" "Well, I like the way it was done." I said, "So you like how efficient it was?" "Yes." "So that could have been a war if it wasn't efficient." "Yeah, but you like the way that it was efficient?" "Yes." "Do you like that we killed Saddam Soleimani?" "I supported." "Do you support that we did the six nuclear sites that we shot down?" "Yeah, I support the operation." "Why did you support it?" "'Cause they were successful."

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:36Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the risk with any of these operations? What if Venezuela got nastier? What if Venezuela did something that was... So, the only reason you don't support the Iranian attack is why? Why do you not support the Iranian attack? Because the Iranian attack was what? What happened to the Iranian war so far right now? Do you put a zero to 10 successful? Do you put it that everything's going on as a positive right now? No. Do you put it as it's a little bit chaotic? So now watch this. Here's something for you guys. And I don't want to be long-winded. I'm just flushing out what I'm thinking about. What's on my mind is the following. Here's what I see. When you're somebody that's not a military person that you become the commander in chief, and you don't know the military things all yourself, and it's just trusting, you're in the room.

• 1:31:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You go like this. So imagine this, Trump. Visualize this. Tell me if this happened or not. Okay? So General XYZ, Pete Hex said, this thing that we do here with Venezuela, how long you think it's gonna take? Hey, Delta, how long you think this is gonna take? Sir, it's gonna be a wham bam operation. We're out, we're gonna get it. Are you sure? Yes. How do you know that? Let me show you the intel. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So you don't think it's gonna be chaotic? No. Okay, green light, go. They go, they come back. What does Trump say? Oh, wow. Now who gained credibility? That general. That general and who else? Hex said and who else? The Delta Force that went in and did, or Navy SEALs. Okay, so hey, we need to go in there and six bombers and all this other stuff? Mr. President, we got it.

• 1:32:06Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna be quick, wham bam, we're gonna drop and it's like a B2. Okay, great, go. And they go in, they come out, boom, no boots on the ground, no nothing. Guess what? Great. But now the question is what? Do we really go that deep that we hit the whole thing? I don't know. But Trump's trust in his military went here. And I visualize a meeting that took place with the generals in the room. And he asked, fellas, you know what the question is? Yeah. What's the question?

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• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Can we win? Can we get in there, do it how fast?

• 1:33:32Patrick Bet-David?

  How fast can we go into Iran and get this thing knocked out of the way? And who do you think was in that meeting? Probably Bibi. That's the New York Times story. And let me go through this, and I'm gonna turn it over to you.

• 1:33:43Speaker 02

  Perfect segue.

• 1:33:44Patrick Bet-David?

  So for me, that meeting took place.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  Yep, you're right.

• 1:33:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And in that meeting, here's the problem, that I feel his frustration. You know what the frustration I feel for him is the following? And I want you to tear apart my argument.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  I'm for it.

• 1:33:58Patrick Bet-David?

  If you want to find anything that you find leaks, tear it apart, okay? I have a feeling in that moment, he sat there, and he's like, "You're telling me this is gonna be a Cook operation? Yes, we're gonna go in, we're gonna wipe out the 50 leaders, and they're gonna be so scared, they're gonna come out, and they're gonna do this, and it's gonna be done, and we're gonna go on Venezuela. Maybe a little bit tougher, but we need two to four weeks." "Are you sure?" Bibi's like, "Mr. President, the intel we have with Mossad, we are scored away. This is gonna be easier than we think." And then he says, "So, okay, great. You think? Yes. Heck said, yes. Are we all on the same? These guys are not fired those three generals? What did that person say? Hey, put Tulsi outside, she can't be on the inside, put the..." So, then the president, in that moment, this is the burden of being a president. This is a hard job.

• 1:34:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Guess what the president did in that moment? Trusted who?

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Bibi and the intelligence.

• 1:34:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Trusted those people. Not, not, I didn't, I didn't say Bibi, because you have the meeting with, see, that's the part that's a little bit manipulative when people say that, Vinny. I have a meeting with Bibi, I have a meeting with Putin, have a meeting with Xi.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And then I come back and I say, "What do you think about what Bibi said?" And I ask you, you're the final thought, not Bibi.

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  Right, yes.

• 1:35:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if you know what I'm saying.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 1:35:07Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Bibi, my next meeting is Rubio, what do you think?

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So then Rubio says, "Pat, we can't do two out of the four." But at the end of the day, he called the shots, and what's the shots? All right? There's a, because I would ask the question, what percentage you think this is gonna be a two to four week operation? "Sir President, 80%." And he called the shots. And then the 80% wasn't 80%. Why? One rule, and I said this to you yesterday. And here's a thing that people don't underestimate a lot. This is the biggest thing they underestimate a lot, Vinny. And I really didn't want to go on a 20 minute message with you guys, 10 minute, whatever I'm doing. So I want us to go to other stories. Is the following. One of the greatest quotes ever told in Formula One is, "I knew I was going to beat him."

• 1:35:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Because he has wife and kids. I knew I was gonna beat him because he had wife and kids. What's he trying to say? He's not gonna go full speed on the turn. He's not gonna go full throttle on the turn. Because he knows what the risk is of dying. And in that moment, it's like one tenth of a second, this is the quote. Look at this. "I knew he would hit the brakes." Because he is married and he has two children and I don't.

• 1:36:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And I don't. Iran is that. The IRGC is a different religion than ours. They don't look at that the same way we do it. They don't look at the religion the way we do it. They look at it as this is a pride, IRGC, if I get killed. This is pride. My prophet's gonna be happy with me. He's gonna be pleased with me. So what happens when you face an enemy like that? You can't fight him in a Venezuela way. Because Venezuela is still a Catholic country. What do Catholics believe in? There is still that, you know how he took a shot at Christians today? He's like, "I don't know how you guys would ever, if this guy accepted Jesus Christ."

• 1:37:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's like, it is a very logical argument for a person to say, "You're right." What do you say to that? But that's what makes Christianity so beautiful. But in moments like this, Vinny, if I'm going, if I ever had a job like this, and if I'm going through an enemy that I believe he wants to kill my people, my hat, I'm not even kidding with you, in that moment, and I can go to hell for this. But I understood in that moment, as the world leader, I have to take off the Christian hat for a month and be a warrior. If I truly believe you want to kill my people, I can't leave with that. So my impression of what's going on right now.

• 1:37:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Is I'm not surprised what Alex is doing. Alex isn't always been a pro-Trump guy. He will criticize. I'm not surprised with Alex. I think Alex's voice is needed. You know, I think with Candace and Meghan, you know, I think Tucker's here, Candace is here, Meghan is here. Tucker is the influence of Meghan and Candace. Whatever Tucker says, Candace and Meghan will say. They're very aligned. That's their leader. They follow Tucker's lead. Tucker gives them counsel, they execute on Tucker. And maybe that's because Tucker's got aspirations, maybe because they want to get behind Massey, maybe there's stuff. You better believe alliances are being built right now for 2028. So I think there's something that's going on there with alliances, but the reality of it is, I think the president is in a very, very difficult position.

• 1:38:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And the only thing I'm gonna tell the president is have a blackout with tweets until the war is over with. And I know it's not possible with them because that's not a style of doing business. Finish it off and then come back. You already chose to be here. If you kill 50 of them, if I kill 50 of your relatives and you're the last person remaining, and I don't take you out, what do you think's gonna happen long term?

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Kids and then they're gonna...

• 1:38:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So either don't go, great, but if you're in, now you don't want to do anything? Retaliation's around the corner long term. So, short term, yeah, ceasefire, awesome, Mark gets up, short term, we're doing good. But is that the right thing long term? None of us will know for 10, 20, 30 years. None of us will know. Vinnie?

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, Pat, you laid it out so perfect, and I just sent this article today because I read it yesterday and I reread it again today, and you basically planned out, it's called, the article's called "How Trump Took the US to War with Iran", it's a New York Times article, and you basically laid out exactly what happened, but the ending was a little bit different. So Bibi showed up on February 11th, Pat, to the White House. Everybody was at the table, except Vance. Vance was in Azerbaijan. Susie Wiles, Mark Rubio, Pete Hexette, Whitkoff, Kushner, everybody's there. They're all in the Situation Room. Bibi sits across from him. Mossad, the Prime Minister, David Barner, he's the Director of Mossad, is sitting there.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  And then they're trying to sell or pitch, you know, because obviously Israel... wants, you know, they want to get down with Iran. So they played a video Israeli played a video of Trump that did a montage of potential leaders who could take over the country if a hardline government fell. Among them was Reza Palavi. So automatically Pat right there. I'm just like, okay, that's not realistic. He lives in Bethesda, Maryland. He's not going anywhere. So besides the Mossad's intelligence Netanyahu's team outlined conditions that portrayed near certain victory. Iran's ballistic missile program could be destroyed in a few weeks. The regime would be so weakened that it could not choke off the Strait of Hormuz. That didn't plan out. And a likelihood that Iran would land blows to US interests in neighboring countries that would assess as minimal.

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  Besides Mossad's intelligence indicated, street protests in Iran would begin again with the impetus of Israeli spy agency helping to foment riots and rebellion. Okay. And then all that happened. And then, oh, by the way, they said Kurdish fighters would cross the border from Iraq to open the ground front in Northwest, furthering, stretching the regime's forces, accelerating its collapse. Now this is where it gets interesting.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  The intelligence officials had a deep expertise. So now first they said decapitation, kill Ayatollah. Second part was crippling Iran's capability to project power and threaten its neighbors. Two, third was a popular uprising inside Iran. And the fourth was a regime change with a secular leadership. Now, Ratcliffe.

• 1:41:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Read it again. Read the four.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  First, well, okay, decapitation, killing Ayatollah.

• 1:41:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  Second, crippling Iran's capacity to project power and threaten its neighbors. Two, third was a popular uprising inside Iran.

• 1:41:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  And fourth was a regime change with a secular leader installed to govern the country. Okay. So now the US officials, Ratcliffe and everybody in the, in the meeting, Pat, they assessed all of them. And they said that the number three and number four of Netanyahu's pitch, which, which include the possibility of the Kurds were, ready for this, detached from reality. When President Trump joined the meeting, Mr. You nailed it. Perfect. Bibi leaves. He sits with CIA director. And you know what Ratcliffe said? It's farcical, meaning it's not possible of what Bibi said for three and four. And then at one point, Marco. Rubio said, and they're quoting him, in other words, it's BS. He says the word BS.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  And then Ratcliffe added that, given the unpredictability of events in any conflict, regime change could happen, but it could not be considered as an achievable objective. And then Vance came back, Pat, from Azerbaijan, he had his two cents. And then the president turned to General Raisin Kane, who is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and he said, "General, what do you think?" And this is what the general said, and I quote-

• 1:42:34Tom Ellsworth?

  I read this.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  Ready for this, Tommy? "Sir, this is, this is, I love that you said it, Pat. He's going to his people." He said, "In my expertise, standard operating procedure for the Israelis, they oversell and their plans do not always are well-developed. They know they need us, and that's why they are hard-selling." So, and then when he said the regime change, Pat, would be, uh, Trump said it would be their problem, but he wasn't clear if it was, uh, Israel or the Iranian people. So I love your point, but think about it. Bibi's gone, and now he's asking his people, "Hey, what do you think, Rubio? It's BS, number three and four. What do you think, General, four-star general? It's not possible. CIA Director, what do you think?" All three of his main people, Pat, said, "Number three and number four are not gonna happen,

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  which is happening right now in real time."

• 1:43:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct. There was no popular uprising.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  There's no popular uprising.

• 1:43:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Go into it. Go into it, Vinny.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  Okay, ready for this?

• 1:43:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Three and four didn't happen.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  No popular uprising inside Iran, Pat. And fourth was regime change with a secular leader installed in the government. Now, Bibi got what he wanted, so my point is, why not listen to the three main people when they're saying, "Yo, number one and two, easy. We bombed them and we killed the Ayatollah. Easy money." Three and four are the major problem that's for the people. And as we found out, the Kurds took the guns and they bounced. They didn't help. They're not doing anything.

• 1:43:53Tom Ellsworth?

  And they weren't planning a ground invasion. They were not gonna hurt. They were not gonna help.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  So you feel like, and I understand, and again, I'm gonna go back to a great point. That meeting happened, Bibi walked out, Mossad, they shut the video off, and now it's, alright, listen. Four objectives, two, easy money, the last two, which to me are the most important. The people need the uprising. It's not happening. It didn't happen. We can't-

• 1:44:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Unarmed people didn't uprising.

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  Unarmed people, so that's where, Pat, I say- They're either it's influence or you're not listening to your people when they're telling you the main two points are unachievable.

• 1:44:24Speaker 03

  Also, when you've sort of de facto excluded some of the dissenting or critical voices like Tulsi Gabbard, it's nice to hear the voices of people that you've insulated with in your silo. Pat, one thing you mentioned, and it's interesting, when, you know, the yes men and the remorseless critics who can never be trusted. And, you know, I have the thought like, don't be tempted by the yes men and don't be taunted by the critics. But also don't lock yourself in a silo where you're sort of limiting the voices that you hear.

• 1:44:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't think he is, though.

• 1:44:51Speaker 03

  I, I, I'm concerned, I'm concerned that he should blackout on, on social media. I also sort of, I like the fact that Trump is on social media, that he seems to listen.

• 1:44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, my, my, let me, let me correct myself on that. Blackout on social media of criticizing your critics until this is over with. Do all the other stuff, but don't criticize your critics until it's over with.

• 1:45:08Speaker 03

  Good point.

• 1:45:09Patrick Bet-David?

  At the end, make your point, not right now, leave this alone right now.

• 1:45:12Speaker 03

  Good, yeah, well, that's, that's perfect. And, and the issue is whether or not they thought this would be like Venezuela. A lot of the righteous criticism of this particular excursion is that it lacked the clear objectives that Venezuela had. Venezuela, you could argue over methods, but not over objective. Here, the objective was crippling or, you know, eliminating the nuclear threat. Then it was ballistic missiles, then drones, then it was regime change, then it was freeing the Iranian people. So the, the, the issue with Iran is twofold, and it is legitimate criticism. It lacked the clear objective that Venezuela had, and it had a clear objective, you could argue over the means, but not over the objective. As of now, it's still been a floating objective for the last month.

• 1:45:50Tom Ellsworth?

  So I want to understand one thing, who made the final decision here? Are we talking about the war in Iran? That's what this conversation is about, yes? So I want to understand something, who made the final decision?

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  The president of the United States always makes the final decision. After, hold on, Adam, after the secretary of state, his four-star general, the head of the CIA said, yo, what he just said, those past two points are BS and unachievable. And yes, the president ultimately makes the decision. Why, when you just heard two, 50% of the operation was going to be kaput? Why would you, why would you still do it? If, if, if they basically told you, you're the main, you know what's the easiest thing, Adam? Kill the ayatollah, which they did in one day. And then number two, what was the second objective? Bomb the hell out of them and get rid of all the

• 1:46:36Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, Kane is more than a four-star general. He is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  They call him Raisin Kane.

• 1:46:42Tom Ellsworth?

  So when they turn general, what do you think? He's asking for the opinion, which is supposed to represent the opinion of the other leaders of the other parts of the armed forces. So, I want to understand this clearly.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  Go ahead. I'll help.

• 1:46:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Isn't, didn't this process work out exactly how we would want this to work out?

• 1:47:00Speaker 02

  As Americans? Right now?

• 1:47:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, no, the conversation.

• 1:47:03Speaker 03

  Well, we didn't know about this until, until recently. We didn't know about these internal discussions.

• 1:47:06Tom Ellsworth?

  So, hear me out here for a second.

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:09Tom Ellsworth?

  We have a big podcast meeting. There's how many people in that room over there? Five people? There's 20 people in the podcast meeting. Cool, guys. What are the ideas for the podcast? Ba ba ba ba ba. Alright, cool. Engineers, studio out. Now it's just a home team. Alright, cool, guys. Here we go. There's five of us, six of us. What do we want to do? It's like our business dinners? Cool. Alright, guys. Out of here. Alright. Now it's just four of us. Home team. Here we go. Boom boom boom. Then you and me leave. Tom and PBD have a conversation. Alright, cool. Then PBD, at the end of the night, goes and talks to Jen. Alright babe, here's what I think is going on. Adam says he wants to do this, obviously. Vinny wants to do that. Tom's thinking this. Rob's saying that. He's filtering out the team of rivals essentially, to say, here's what I think we're gonna do.

• 1:47:55Tom Ellsworth?

  So at the end of the day, he's got his cabinet, but prior to that, he has, whether you said it's Bibi, whether it's Mossad, whether it's whoever's working, external forces. The external people leave. Now it's your internal people. Rubio, Vance, General Kane. They leave, and then it's just Trump and maybe Melania. And he says, babe, I think I'm gonna attack Iran this weekend. Oh my god, why? Why would I? Well, I've talked to everybody, and here's what I've come up with. Isn't that how we want our decision-making to be made?

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  I, I didn't say it wasn't gonna be the, but you know what I would not want? Somebody else coming in from another company and sitting with Pat and saying, trust me, X, Y, and Z.

• 1:48:31Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I don't see a problem with that.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Hold on, no, I don't, I do see a problem with that because guess what?

• 1:48:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Because you know that.

• 1:48:36Speaker 02

  Hold on. You, Adam, do you genuinely think that Bibi thought they were gonna be able to do the regime change? It's on the Adam, are you ready for this? If Tom told Pat, ready for this? Pat, sir, in my experience, standard operating procedure for this other company, the Israelis, they oversell their plans and they're not well-developed, they need us, and they're hard selling.

• 1:48:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Perfect.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  That's a company thing.

• 1:49:00Tom Ellsworth?

  So, where are you going, Tom?

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  Yes, let him go, he's...

• 1:49:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, my bad.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  He's getting emotional.

• 1:49:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I didn't want to offend him.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 1:49:04Tom Ellsworth?

  But, I love this. I love this, and I'll tell you why.

• 1:49:07Speaker 02

  Good, tell me.

• 1:49:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Because you know exactly where they stand. When Trump goes and meets with Putin, he knows that he's Russia first. When he goes and meets with Xi, he knows that he's China first. When he goes and meets with Bibi, he knows that he's Israel first. Don't be fooled. I actually appreciate that. So I'll give you one more example. Tell me if you agree with this, Pat. You want to go out this weekend. Let's just say hypothetically. You come to each of us, I go, "Pat, Vinny, you're gonna come out with me, bro? We're gonna go out, we're gonna have the best time ever. We're gonna go to 11 in Miami, we have the time of our lives." You go, "Okay, typical Adam." You go to Tom, "We're gonna do something corny, we're gonna play golf, we're gonna do whatever." "All right, cool, you're gonna go with Pat, do some family time." You know what each of us stand for. So when I say, "Dude, Vinny, come with me, you're gonna have the time of your life,

• 1:49:52Tom Ellsworth?

  we're gonna go to 11, we're gonna go to live, we're gonna party in Miami." Are you caught off-guard? Or is that exactly what I'm known for? So it's up to you saying, "I could go with Tom, I could go with Adam, I could go with Pat." Let me just go with Pat. My point is, I think Trump filtered down all this information and made the best decision possible.

• 1:50:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so what are you saying? You're saying somebody else made the decision for him?

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  No, no, I think Trump made it, but if, would you, I'm asking you, if you were the president, and... Well, P. Heck said, apparently didn't say anything in regard to this. If the, if you're head of CIA, a four-star general, your director, all these people, Marco Rubio says everything, those two plans, those two major parts of this major mission are BS, they're farcical, and this is what Israel does, and that's what he, that's what the...

• 1:50:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Good!

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  Hold on.

• 1:50:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Call them out.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  No, my question is...

• 1:50:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm asking him.

• 1:50:43Speaker 02

  Pat, what, what would you, with that information, because those two are the major points of this war, would you still have gone in?

• 1:50:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Would I have some

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  Would you, as the president, would you, if they're telling you this

• 1:50:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I maybe trust Bibi less than the president trust

• 1:50:59Speaker 02

  100%

• 1:51:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  But then why wouldn't he listen to the main, to me, Pat, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs

• 1:51:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't know, but you don't know because of side conversations that maybe he had with Gulf states to say that the Gulf states have him. You don't know if he knows that he already had to talk with MBS to know MBS has him. You don't know if he's doing this because he knows he's gonna corner China cuz he's already taking Venezuela away from China, he's already taking Panama away from China. This is one way of getting China cornered to flip the power and all of a sudden everyone's gonna sit there and say what a frickin' thing to do.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm

• 1:51:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't know any of this stuff

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  I don't

• 1:51:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you don't know the fact that he lost the ruling on Supreme Court 6 to 3 on tariffs and power went the other way and this is his one way of saying, "Hey, you, you, you think now you have leverage?" You don't know, maybe somebody in China on a phone call said, "Hey, you don't have that control you do anymore. Oh, really? I'm gonna make your life a living hell." You, you don't know what, what those, you don't, you're not in the man's mind. All I'm saying is this, out of everybody that's talking shit there's only one man that's in the arena.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm

• 1:51:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's him.

• 1:51:55Speaker 02

  Yup

• 1:51:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Period. That's the guy that's in the arena. You can say whatever you want about the guy. All the pressure's on him and he's handled it better than any other person in America.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  Yeah

• 1:52:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Period. No matter how tough and smart and brilliant, and I would've done this and I would've done that, stop it.

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm

• 1:52:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Go win an election.

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  Mm, true

• 1:52:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Go be the president.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  Right

• 1:52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Go get shot. Go be the most hated man in media from the moment you announced and you were the most beloved by rappers, Hollywood, everybody. And all of a sudden they hate you because you decided to run as a Republican? Go. And then what? And, and, and then what? So you forget about all the other stuff that this guy's done? Let me finish. You forget about all the other stuff that he's done with the borders, you forget about all the other stuff that he did when he came in? All of a sudden you're gonna forget about all that stuff? No. So, but to me, the feedback to Trump for me would be simple.

• 1:52:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Sometimes in life, you can't be surprised by, you know, what some of the people are saying. Just play along and move on and, Yvonne, we'll give you the last thoughts. We're gonna go to Melania's tweet and then we're gonna wrap up. Go for it.

• 1:52:59Speaker 03

  Well, all of this is subject to the accuracy of the article. It's the New York Times and should be treated with circumspection.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  Yep, go ahead.

• 1:53:07Speaker 03

  The issue is, when it comes down to like, you know, what was the decision and who should have made what decision? This article was only, you know, published recently. I think when Adam says, you know, "This is the way it should work," yeah, this is the internal debate. Recall at the time, however, the people that were raising the concerns now that are being reported that were raised by Marco Rubio and Kane. The people who were raising those publicly were getting called "black pillars," "doom pillars," "anti-Trumpers." And so, the discussion is good, the debate is good, and that's how it should be treated in the public arena. Not writing off people as ideological adversaries because they were now offering the same criticism that we're now allegedly learning was being offered internally. And then the question, when you say, "All right, you know, he deals with Bibi, knowing Bibi is Israel first."

• 1:53:50Speaker 03

  You might not be making the best argument you think you're making there if, at the end of the day, the voice that he's listening to is Israel first. And I'm not accusing him of doing that. I'm saying these were the issues that everyone said were... made this a quagmire from the get-go, and when people said it publicly then, they got lambasted. But now we're learning that internally, they were having the same discussions as well.

• 1:54:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But again, you have to, again, go to that. I am not part of the "I told you, you should have listened to me." No, I shouldn't have listened to you. No one has access to more information than the guy does. Everybody else is reacting to second, third, fourth, fifth information that's coming to us. Okay, the feedback is a feedback that's being given. He has to make the decision. But the part that when you make the decision, you can't be surprised by the criticism. You can't. You're not supposed to get 100% support. You're not. And if you get it wrong, we're gonna lose the midterms. And that's part of how this thing works. You know, like, you know, it's Conor McGregor, after one of the losses that he had, I think it was to Nate Diaz, I don't know which one it was.

• 1:54:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, "So how do you feel about this?" He says, "Look, I'm cocky with my predictions." I'm confident in my preparation, but I'm humble in my victory or loss. Okay, here, are we confident in our preparation? Maybe, maybe not. And maybe that's gonna be leaked. And by the way, the way history books work, when, when, uh, Bush wrote the book, decision, what did he call, what was Bush's book called? Do you remember?

• 1:55:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Decision Points.

• 1:55:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Decision Points. You know what he talks about in there? He talks about the mistakes he made. Now, I don't think Trump's gonna talk about the mistakes that he made. I don't think that's gonna be the case, but presidents make mistakes and presidents make decisions. That's part of life. You know, you, you, the rest of the world who is not in the arena will criticize non-stop. Everybody wants to criticize Brady. Everybody wants to criticize Michael. Everybody wants to criticize Trump. Everybody wants to criticize winners. Get in the damn arena, and if you're gonna be a person that's criticizing, we need the press. Press is necessary, that is doing what they're doing, because people need to hear from somebody else, and the president does need to get called out. You know, the president does need to be disagreed with from the press standpoint.

• 1:55:57Patrick Bet-David?

  But let's not get it twisted. You don't have all the information. I'm not coming for.

• 1:55:59Tom Ellsworth?

  I was just gonna ask you a question.

• 1:56:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I wanna, I wanna go past.

• 1:56:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay.

• 1:56:02Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the question?

• 1:56:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I think it's, I think it's appropriate, because you're talking about man in the arena. I remember when you started the podcast.

• 1:56:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:09Tom Ellsworth?

  And everyone said to you, "Don't do politics, Pat."

• 1:56:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:12Tom Ellsworth?

  "Don't do politics."

• 1:56:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:14Tom Ellsworth?

  And how many, "Don't do it! You're an entrepreneur." And you were doing it on ValueTainment, and we started doing the podcast, first couple episodes on ValueTainment. And we were losing subscribers. You said, "All right, I'm gonna make this decision. We're gonna do PBD Podcast, we're gonna do politics, and look at us now." How many people told you, "Don't do it, Pat?" And then how much criticism are you getting? "I can't believe you said that." "But you've tuned out the noise and look at us now."

• 1:56:36Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a big difference. No, we're just a podcast, buddy.

• 1:56:39Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I understand, but how many people told you not to do this?

• 1:56:41Patrick Bet-David?

  We're not that important.

• 1:56:42Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not saying that. But in, in our world.

• 1:56:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that.

• 1:56:45Tom Ellsworth?

  We're grateful you did this.

• 1:56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that, but what I'm saying to you is, this is like podcast, and then there is hundred stories above, be the president. Uh, uh, I understand that we have a voice today, and I'm grateful to you that you tune in, even to those that disagree with us. Trust me, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm loving, I'm grateful for all of you guys that tune in, including the critics, critics. We need the criticism, trust me. We need the criticism from the true, honest players, not from the bots. You know, I saw something the other day that I'm gonna share with you, and I think, I, I wanna challenge more people to do this. I posted a picture on X the other day. And this picture I posted on X and Rob, it's none of the ones that I sent you. Uh, because I'll play that here in a minute. Please don't disclose the stuff I've been texting and keep it to yourself.

• 1:57:29Patrick Bet-David?

  But I appreciate it, Rob. So the other day I'm, I'm on X and I post a picture of my uh, uh, uh, family on X. And I'm like, alright, that's the picture right there. And in that picture, Rob, I hope I can text this to you. I'm just gonna text it to you the way I've been doing it the entire time. There's a comment that comes up. Some of the comments are pretty brutal, but guess what? That comes with the territory. I get it. You know, people, wow, you, you did this, you did that. No problem. One of the comments that came up was the following, Rob, if you want to pull it up. And this is the part that we have a problem. This week Twitter's been doing a, a uh,

• 1:58:09Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, what's the word when they're getting rid of a fake bots and all that?

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Cleanse?

• 1:58:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So now the word they use, purge, purge. Bingo, purge. And so watch this here, Rob. Pause it a little bit. So, you know, this is me with my family. Read the comment of the second guy, three hours.

• 1:58:24Tom Ellsworth?

  You took them to a synagogue for Jewish terrorist training, really butt ugly kids. Everyone, every one of these kids is going to be a C word if we're lucky, one is gonna get.

• 1:58:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So now, how does your emotions, how does your heart feel right now? How does your temperament feel to see somebody could comment like that, right?

• 1:58:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Disgusting.

• 1:58:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But you have to realize, you can't get emotional about this. Press the play. Here's the first thing I do. If somebody says something like that, and this guy says, you are disgusting. I don't know who the other person is, but says you are disgusting. I'll pause it right here. When did his account get started?

• 1:58:55Speaker 03

  April 2026, zero followers.

• 1:58:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Boom.

• 1:58:58Speaker 03

  Manchester, but that, that, that location is not necessarily accurate. You gotta see where the account is.

• 1:59:03Patrick Bet-David?

  But you know, you know what the point is? Bots, bots are influencing a lot of people. Bots are so effective right now, Vinny. But you, you, you, even though we're going through this, and this is gonna be the new norm, for me on, on uh, X, I'm muting a lot of people and I'm blocking a lot of people that I have a very basic thing. If you speak to me respectfully, I'll have a banter with you, no problem. You disrespect your block. I don't do the disrespecting game uh, with anybody on X. So, but going to where we're at right now, I want to get to the last story here that we have with uh, um, with Melania. In the middle of all this stuff, one of the top, it may even be the number one trending story that we have right now, Rob, is Melania Trump post this video and everybody reacts to it.

• 1:59:46Patrick Bet-David?

  On the relationship with Epstein, I think, I don't know which one it is, Rob, if you want to play it, is this the one? Yep. Go ahead. Here's a first lady talking about Epstein, go ahead.

• 1:59:55Speaker 03

  I never been friends with Epstein. Donald and I were invited to the same parties as Epstein from time to time, since overlapping in social circles is common in New York City and Palm Beach.

• 2:00:16Speaker 03

  To be clear, I never had a relationship with Epstein or his accomplice Maxwell. My email reply to Maxwell cannot be categorized as anything more than casual correspondence. My polite reply to her email doesn't amount to anything more than a travel note.

• 2:00:46Speaker 03

  I am not Epstein's victim. Epstein did not introduce me to Donald Trump. I met my husband by chance at a New York City party in 1998. This initial encounter with my husband is documented in detail in my book, Melania.

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  The first time I crossed paths with Epstein was in the year 2000 at an event Donald and I attended together. At the time, I had never met Epstein and had no knowledge of his criminal undertakings.

• 2:01:32Speaker 03

  Numerous fake images and statements about Epstein and me have been calculating on social media for years now. Be cautious about what you believe. These images and stories are completely false.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  Okay, Vinny. It's just weird. The timing of it is just really weird. I remember President Trump was standing outside Air Force One. Howard Lutnick was next to him. I think if I believe J.D. Vance and he said, and I quote, "I don't understand why Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. Only pretty bad people want to keep something like that going." And then cut to his wife coming out and saying Epstein was not alone, "and we must uncover the truth." What is actually going on? And then the president said, they told MSNBC on Thursday, "He did not know anything about the first lady Melania Trump's statement about Epstein." Which I find that very, very hard to believe. I don't think the first lady would have a statement like this prepared, come out and not tell her husband, who is the commander in chief of the country.

• 2:02:39Speaker 02

  I don't know. I was so baffled by this. It was out of nowhere. And then the statement by the survivors, Rob, do you have that? The statement by the survivors in response to Melania Trump is, "Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein have already shown extraordinary courage by coming forward, filing reports, and giving testimony asking more of them now is a deflection of responsibility, not justice. The first lady Melania Trump is now shifting the burden onto survivors under politicized conditions that protect those with power. The Department of Justice, law enforcement, prosecutors, and the Trump administration, which has still not fully compiled with the Epstein File Transparency Act. It also diverts attention from Pam Bondi,

• 2:03:22Speaker 02

  who must answer for withheld files and the exposure of survivors' identities. Those failures continue to put lives at risk while shielding enablers." Okay, survivors have done their part. Now it's time for those in power to do theirs. I think it's random and the timing of this. Pam Bondi, you know, gets fired and then a week later she's supposed to testify. Now she doesn't have to because she's not in. Pat, you said this a long time ago and I absolutely loved it and I've hung on to it. The biggest fumble, it just, the way that they ruined this thing. The moment those social media people came out with the binders and there was nothing in it, it was all redacted. It's like the biggest cover-up scandal. And this is gonna bother me, Pat. Besides the war and everything, and we could criticize and do all that. This is one of the biggest mistakes, the biggest fumbles,

• 2:04:07Speaker 02

  and I'm embarrassed that they're treating it like this. Adam.

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• 2:04:41Speaker 05

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• 2:05:12Tom Ellsworth?

  You always hear, "Trump started this war in Iran to cover up for Epstein. It was a distraction." Really, bro? You're gonna move billions of assets to cover this up? To me, I think the Democrats, I've said this before, the Democrats have way more explaining to do than Trump will ever have. The Attorney Generals who have been there forever, Bill Barr, who has been there through multiple administrations, what's going on here? But the piece of this that I think is gonna get overlooked is exactly what she said here. She said, "I've never been friends with Epstein. Donald and I were invited to the same parties as Epstein from time to time, since overlapping in social circles is common in New York City and Palm Beach." What's the point of that? We get invited to a lot of cool parties.

• 2:05:57Tom Ellsworth?

  We've been to Mar-a-Lago. We've been to, I've been to the White House, been to all these cool events, going to Miami, Art Basel. You're in the same room with some of the biggest people, biggest names. Just because you're in the same room as people, or know people, doesn't put you guilty of anything. This is why I said the whole Epstein thing isn't a right thing, isn't a left thing. It's a high-society thing. Every single person who went to Epstein's island or went to Epstein's compound was a who's who of who's who. I don't know what happened there and I don't even think anybody really knew, truly knows what happened. But we know that these people, it's beyond left or right or anything political. It's all money.

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  Well, what, well, my question is, why do you think that, why, out of all the stuff that's happening in the world? Ceasefire, war, why would the first lady come out at him and say Epstein was not alone? Her husband's saying one thing, she's saying he wasn't alone. Several prominent male executives resigned from their powerful positions after this matter became widely politicized. Of course, it doesn't amount to guilt, but we still must work openly and transparently to uncover the truth. That sounds to me like the, her husband, the president, it's like, it's all nonsense, don't listen to it. And she's saying, no, no, no, he's not alone. This disgusting pedophile demon had a bunch of people and they're still out there and the Congress and everybody should still go after him. Why do you think this ran out of, why right now?

• 2:07:18Speaker 03

  Well, the, um, look, the Epstein rollout has been the biggest unforced error of Trump's term, without a doubt, hands down. Trump obviously got convinced by some players that releasing the Epstein files would incriminate him or in, you know, involve him in some way because he was probably being told by the same corrupt incompetent Pam Bondi that I'd been saying should be fired from July, that, oh, Donald, your name is in there thousands of times. Everyone's going to say that you're involved because of your name's in there, so we have to cover this up. And he, not that he's a fool, he followed that bad advice and now Pam Bondi's out. In that entire time, because of the bungled disclosure, it looked like Trump was involved, even though everything that came out of there actually exonerated Trump and incriminated Michael Wolff.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 2:08:00Speaker 03

  Other people who were conspiring with Epstein.

• 2:08:03Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 2:08:03Speaker 03

  It allowed for the rumors that Melania was of, was one of, was introduced to Trump by Epstein. That was the result of the bungled disclosure. Bondi's out and now Melania can finally come out and say, without contradicting her husband, because now she can say this is on Bondi and her fault. I had to experience rumors that Epstein introduced me because of this bungled rollout. I never knew him, Bondi's out, now I can say my, not my truth, but the truth. And, uh, the consequences have already been, you know, dished out to Bondi. Too little, too late, and the damage is done. But now Melania can come out and confirm what basically we all already knew. But I think she's been unshackled to do it because Bondi's been fired and now that's where the blame can be laid.

• 2:08:42Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I feel, I feel for Melania. I'll tell you why I feel for Melania. She's not an elected official. She wasn't like editor of Vogue magazine. She wasn't like, like a power player executive in the world of fashion. She married Donald Trump and then she's caught up in this this way and somebody somewhere felt that she needed to come out and make a statement. Maybe it's what you said. Maybe that's the waterfall of it. I'm kind of with Vinnie on one simple thing. Why send her out to do it like this and why send her out right now? And that just to me, I understand if it's like, okay, that's it. I gotta say something. I've sat with Pat when he's talked about exactly the things he was describing. You got the people over here, Tom, they piss

• 2:09:27Tom Ellsworth?

  you off, but we gotta ignore them. And they got the ones who are like, Pat, you need to defend yourself. They're accusing, they're saying, no, no, no, Tom, I can't make everybody happy. I've got the people that want to kiss my ass. I got the people in the middle that I can work with and I got these people over here that I'm never gonna win over. There's 24,000 insurance agents and all these other people out there. What am I supposed to do here? And I learned a lot through that. And through this, it's like, why send her out right now? Why do it right now?

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Well, it was intentional. It sounded like she accidentally showed up and stumbled out of bed and said I wanted to get a speech.

• 2:09:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually think it's a great timing. I actually think it's a great timing. If she was ever gonna do it, I think this is the time to do it in the middle of an Iranian war. I think it's a great timing. Just come and get knocked out of the way, address the issue, move on and we're probably attacking Iran tomorrow and we're back to more news with Iran. I don't think this Iran thing is gonna go away, but look, this is part of becoming a president and becoming famous and being the most powerful person in the world. Everything you do, you're walking on eggshells. And no one's professionally trained for this level of scrutiny. They're gonna go through it. You know, anything you did in the past is gonna come back out. Anything you did in the past is gonna come back out when you get into politics. Anything. Whoever you're partied with. Thank God Instagram wasn't

• 2:10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  around when I was 22 years old, 21 years old. Like if they find some of those sketches from Dublin's or, you know, Palace or, you know, Arena or Key Club or what was the other one?

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  Why Lotus?

• 2:10:58Patrick Bet-David?

  No, not Why Lotus. Why Lotus was good, but there was one, what was the main one? The main one was...

• 2:11:01Speaker 02

  Panama City.

• 2:11:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No, Panama City Club La Vila. That was, no, but that time the videos were out already with the hard body contest.

• 2:11:07Speaker 02

  Which club are you talking about?

• 2:11:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What the hell was the name? This was the club to go to. The ratios for girl was two to one.

• 2:11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It was on Sunset, you had to make a left. Uh, what the hell was the name of this club? Not Key Club, it was, uh, guys are commenting in the comments, I guarantee they know what it is. If you're from LA, you know which one I'm talking about. That was tough to get into. Anyways, it was, it was a very, very, I guarantee you someone's gonna text me right now, or, or message me right now. But, yeah, I mean, look, I'm glad that wasn't wrong. But let me, let me finish it up with this here, while we're going through this. Uh, if somebody comments in the comment section, I will be so impressed.

• 2:11:39Tom Ellsworth?

  On Sunset Boulevard, on, in Hollywood?

• 2:11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw Ibiza, Ibiza, that's- Not Ibiza, it was a club's name was some, something else. Uh, what the hell was the club's name? Anyways, okay. Um, so, anyways, having said that, today's a very special day in my life. Let me tell you why it's a special day in my life. Because today is Papa's birthday.

• 2:11:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, Papa Gabriel.

• 2:11:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Gabriel today turned eighty-four years old.

• 2:12:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh my god.

• 2:12:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And let me tell you why I posted this picture. I sent this picture to my dad, I'm like, dad, this guy just texted me, he's telling me he's a brother you never told me about. My dad's like, what are you talking about? I said, dad, why the hell aren't you telling me everything about our family rumors? He says, what the hell are you saying? He says, this is not my brother. I said, I just met him.

• 2:12:22Tom Ellsworth?

  He didn't recognize that was you?

• 2:12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He told me he's your brother. This is when AI was making be- He, he is now angry with me. You think I'm gonna like you about having another brother?

• 2:12:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Stop it, Papa.

• 2:12:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, how did you not introduce me to my uncle?

• 2:12:35Tom Ellsworth?

  He didn't realize that was you? Oh, Papa Gabriel, happy birthday, come on.

• 2:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Part about AI, but that's me to the left. I said, dad, I said, make me look eighty-three years old. And I looked like my dad. I said, listen, if I was your age, this is what I would look like.

• 2:12:47Tom Ellsworth?

  You got your wish, man. Your shaved head, I love that look.

• 2:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighty-four years old. Go to the next picture, man, with this, this man here, the family loves him, you know, Brooklyn this morning, got up, saw Papa, ran up to her, ran up to him, gave him a kiss, happy birthday to you Papa. Yesterday's like, you know tomorrow's Papa's birthday, you know tomorrow's Papa's birthday, look at the smile on his face. Best part of life when your dad is that happy. Keep going.

• 2:13:11Tom Ellsworth?

  I've never seen him smile that big.

• 2:13:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we go back to that picture, by the way? I've never seen your dad smile like that. You're about to see a bigger smile than that. Keep going. I love the girl putting a cake on her nose. This is us at an event a few years ago with Andrew Gaines in the back with the perfect haircut. Keep going. By the way, go to the left. I think that's Matt Sapala's shoe that made it. It is. He didn't make it, but his shoe made it right there. And his earpiece. Keep going, keep going to the right. This is us when the president came, when we did the podcast. Tico had the old, uh, heavy metal hair. Keep going. By the way, this is the legendary picture. This is the only vacation my mom and dad ever took us to. And this is Esfahan. For the people that hear about the city Esfahan, this is Esfahan. This is me. That's me, my dad and my sister. That thermometer?

• 2:13:58Patrick Bet-David?

  This is 1988, 1987, something like that is where it's at. Well, we're visiting Esfahan with pops. Keep going. This is us when we had our event, July 17, 2009. The event was called Saving America, Doing the Impossible. Keep going. By the way, this is an interesting picture. I've been very critical of it. Reza Palavi came to the house, we had lunch together and my dad got a chance, because my dad is a massive fan of that family. Is he really? Oh, it's an understatement. Massive fan of the family, the entire Reza Palavi family. And that was the first time that Papa ever met Reza Palavi right there? Oh, I think that's the first time he met him. It wasn't the first time we had met each other, but it's the first time he met him. But Papa? Oh, yeah, yeah, that was the first time. Was he ecstatic? Of course, keep going, keep going. This is my dad's smile. Look at that smile to the ladies with this one.

• 2:14:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep going. This is him in front of god knows how many people at MGM Grand Arena, 10,000 people in 2022, in the middle of COVID. We were the first ones that opened up a year before that, up on stage with the mic. Keep going. Uh, him in Brooklyn. Brooklyn, oh my god. This is him doing his exercise in the morning, Rob. Look at this. 87 years old, he's gotta move his body. Look at him. Keep it going, Rob. He's in good shape, man. Keep it going, keep it going. This is the boys with the Papa. Daddy. You had just moved to the house then, I think, at that point. This is probably a couple of years out. Look at this guy. Pat, you look ecstatic here, man. Pat, what's the picture on the wall? What is that? Is that like Ben-Hur? Jesus. Is that Mashiach the movie? Oh, okay. Yes, you know what that is. Yeah. This is me, military, when I came on break to surprise him as a specialist. Keep going, very serious.

• 2:15:27Patrick Bet-David?

  This is my dad, kiss me, I'm a serial.

• 2:15:30Speaker 03

  Look at the phone.

• 2:15:31Speaker 02

  Look at the age of that phone.

• 2:15:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep it going. Keep it going. This is us in New Orleans. I told the joke to my dad that he didn't like and I'm laughing and he doesn't think it's funny, but he has to laugh. We were having a little bit too much fun that day. Keep it going. This is, you said brown shirt and brown pants. I was so offended, I had to bring the picture to show the time when I wore brown leather pants and this is the club days with the black.

• 2:15:55Speaker 02

  What is Papa, the Easter bunny here? What's going on here?

• 2:15:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Hanging out and then keep going. Let's do a couple more. This is the day I got promoted to a broker, December 15th of 03, Queen Mary Ballroom. Keep going.

• 2:16:06Speaker 02

  Proud Papa.

• 2:16:07Patrick Bet-David?

  More Papa. Keep going. And I think that's the last one. Anyways, dad, wherever you are, you're watching us at the house. I love you. You've changed my life. I'm proud to call you my dad every single day and the greatest gift God gave me as a child was making you my dad. He chose you intentionally on purpose and I am the man who I am today because of you. Every friend I have loves you. You know what's crazy? I have friends that became enemies who still love you. They don't like me, but they love you. My dad is a very interesting guy. He's got a massive community, people that love him. On his Instagram account, Rob, have you seen what he's been working on on his Instagram?

• 2:16:43Speaker 02

  Quilting Egypt.

• 2:16:45Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you know what? He would love it if you guys, as a gift, go on his Instagram account, follow him and post a comment. He makes these quilts non-stop. Some of you guys, you know.

• 2:16:55Speaker 02

  Look at this guy.

• 2:16:55Patrick Bet-David?

  He makes these.

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  He's a.

• 2:16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, just put the link below. He works, you know, hours and hours in his 80s making this stuff and if you want to make his day, go send him a message, go post a comment on some of this stuff. Is it, what's his account, Rob? Is it Gabriel42?

• 2:17:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:17:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Just post the link below if you guys can go do that. He would love that.

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  That's the first thing, when I first came here to visit, I was just, Pat said, just get an airplane, come here and just see the vibe. There was no comment, there was no nothing. And I sat with Gabriel and he showed me this and he's like, you have to have a hobby. He's like, besides your work and your brain, get your hobby. And there's two moments, Pat, where I'm sitting there and me and you are speaking Assyrian and he's looking at me and he says in Assyrian, he's like, you know, God put you, he's like, the odds of you guys sitting here speaking Assyrian. He's made me a better person. Stop cussing. Do this. Talk about God and everything. He's amazing. And that Robb G. Vayet, I had to say that to Gabriel.

• 2:17:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, Bob, we love you. Thank you. Everybody else that's watching this here, viva. Great work today. Having you on. We love having you on.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:17:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You're phenomenal at what you do. Your voice is very reasonable and you'll, you'll give what's on your mind, which is always great to hear. Gang, have a great weekend. We will do this again on Monday.

• 2:18:05Speaker 02

  Subscribe? I mean, they should. I would say they should subscribe.

• 2:18:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I would say they should subscribe.

• 2:18:09Speaker 02

  What's the percentage of people? Fifty-one percent. Fifty-one percent of you aren't subscribed. Take two seconds. Hit it.

• 2:18:15Tom Ellsworth?

  But also, let's give Papa Gabriel a follow, guys. It's his birthday.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, get up there to five thousand.

• 2:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He's gonna get a kick out of this.

• 2:18:22Speaker 02

  Eighty-four? I love you, Gabriel. Happy birthday.

• 2:18:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Happy birthday, Papa G. We love you.

• 2:18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Have a great weekend. Bye-bye, bye-bye.

• 2:18:32Speaker 05

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