KHC 153 - Eli Wehbe

Eli Wehbe - ultra-endurance runner and former Hollywood nightlife entrepreneur. After leaving the club scene, he transformed his life through fitness, completing the Cocodona 250-mile race in 2025 (30th overall) and training for the Arizona Monster 300. He shares his journey of resilience, discipline, and self-discovery via Instagram (@eliwehbe) and his memoir Mask. Join us for a conversation about ultra running, recovering from being at rock bottom, social media strategy in running, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow Eli: https://www.instagram.com/eliwehbe/ Timestamps: 00:00:00 From Nightclubs to Running an Ultra Marathon with David Goggins 00:05:53 Moab 240: The Will to Keep Pushing 00:07:57 The Love of Ultra Running & Being a “Run-Fluencer” 00:10:41 Connections with Celebrities from the Nightclub 00:12:55 Los Angeles “Dreams” & Sobriety 00:17:16 Andy Glaze, Social Media Fame: A Passion Project 00:25:21 Having a “Look” to Stand Out: The IT Factor 00:28:17 Upcoming Runners, Eli’s Dad, and David Goggins 00:36:20 Rock Bottom for Eli Wehbe 00:48:18 You Can Fight Your Way out of Rock Bottom 00:51:02 Eli’s First 100 Mile, Running on a Broken Toe, & Cocodona 00:57:42 Eli’s Training Regimine 01:02:09 From Vegan to Eating Meat 01:03:22 Lift. Run. Shoot., Messages on Social Media, and Podcasts 01:08:45 Starting a Run Club & Future Goals 01:12:20 Impacting Others to Live a Better Life 01:14:16 Believing in a Higher Power 01:17:09 Eli’s Old Misconceptions About Hunting 01:18:53 Eli’s Connection with Andy Frisella 01:22:13 Expensive Cars & Designer Clothes 01:28:50 Eli’s Connection with Bradley Martyn 01:31:21 Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

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• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammering Collective with Eli Wehbe. What's up?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  What's up, dude?

• 0:20Cameron Hanes?

  Did I say it right?

• 0:21Speaker 01

  You did.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  We made it happen. I'm here.

• 0:24Cameron Hanes?

  I cannot, okay. So I was telling somebody earlier, you are a hustler. Did you know that?

• 0:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like to grind.

• 0:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, but it's like, hey, we talked about, hey, you should come on the podcast. You're like, like, I'll be there in five minutes.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 0:38Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you are here.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:39Cameron Hanes?

  And I love it.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:40Cameron Hanes?

  Because that's me. It's like, don't, I don't want to talk about shit.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Let's just get it done.

• 0:44Cameron Hanes?

  Let's do it.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:45Cameron Hanes?

  But Eli, dude, it's, you know, I've been following you. You're, I don't know, do you live in LA?

• 0:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do.

• 0:53Cameron Hanes?

  You're like, the LA guy.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  I might be the only LA guy doing like these, these crazy ultras. I don't really think there's, there might be some guys in there, but I feel like I'm like the more notable guy doing it.

• 1:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, definitely. I mean, but you got the look, you got, I mean, the big personality. How'd you get into ultras?

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Um, man, I got into running like in 2018. I was like running a nightclub at that time and kind of got into running to clear my head and I loved it. And, and I was just like, man, I feel like alive doing this stuff. And I felt like so disconnected from that world and I was enjoying it more than what I was doing, but that was my bread and butter. So I was like, I'm never going to make a career out of this stuff. And then, um, went through a rock bottom situation, got accused of things that I never did, wrote a whole book on it, became a bestseller and got into the ultra running stuff, read like 30 books in like four months. I had never read one full book in my life until that time in like 2020 and then wrote my book and started running 100 mile weeks and did my first

• 1:55Speaker 01

  ultra in January of 2021 of 50K, Cold Water Rumble.

• 2:00Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 2:00Speaker 01

  And that's where it all started.

• 2:01Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Well, so it's like the, the running was like a rebirth type thing, just like you needed, what, you needed to reset?

• 2:08Speaker 01

  It was like a full reinvention.

• 2:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  I think this shit needs to be studied because I literally, I actually just got a message today that someone was just like, yo, I'm just so impressed of like, you started from complete scratch and have like risen so high in what you're doing already, like you were in nightlife. And it's just super impressive.

• 2:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, are you out of the nightclub?

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Completely. Yeah.

• 2:28Cameron Hanes?

  So what do you do for work now?

• 2:29Speaker 01

  I'm just running.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Sponsors, brand deals.

• 2:33Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's sick. Well, because you have a good following, like, what are you at now?

• 2:39Speaker 01

  I'm at like almost 530K.

• 2:41Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  They should bump it up. I'm coming for you, dude. Coming for you, man.

• 2:45Cameron Hanes?

  Well, hey, you also, I think from the nightclub stuff, you know how to leverage, like.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  I was a very good.

• 2:53Cameron Hanes?

  You, you were with Goggins, that always helps. That gives you, that gives everybody a bump, right?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a pretty, you know, it's funny, before I went into that race, I was like, I have a feeling I'm gonna end up running like some crazy amount of mileage with him. Because I had a feeling we're gonna finish around the same time, and my goal was to finish 72 hours at Moab. And I had a feeling he was gonna finish around that time. And we somehow ended up finishing at 84 hours at the same time, but yeah. Yeah, I guess I sparked up the combo telling him I was cool with you, and that's how it all started.

• 3:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that video, that you guys did that video, that was so badass, dude. That got over a million views.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  I think it's at like 2.2 million now, almost like 90,000 likes. I just looked at it.

• 3:33Cameron Hanes?

  That is nuts. You know what it reminded me of is in 2008, I got a picture over there. Lance Armstrong was gonna run Boston.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:41Cameron Hanes?

  And I like, of course, he didn't know who I was. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna run with Lance and get a picture. And that it reminded me of like, you knew Goggins was gonna be there. Goggins, you didn't know Goggins before, and he didn't know you, right?

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 3:53Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:53Cameron Hanes?

  So it was almost like you, you put, you manifest this, you know, I manifested that happening, you manifested running with Goggins.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I literally told my girlfriend before you got there, I was like, I have some weird feeling that I'm gonna end up running like a good part of this race with him, and I'm gonna connecting with him. We talked for a little bit before, like, I had like posted that video. Okay. At first, we were talking for a while, and he was just like, I was like, yeah, my buddy said he ran like 90 miles, you last race, you're a nice guy. He's like, yeah, I'm a nice guy. I'm just, I don't like to talk a lot, you know, and then.

• 4:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  But then he would like chime in if like I was talking to someone else, some guy was like, yo, I live in Canada. He's like, I jump, I jump those mother still, you know, he starts going off about it, and he would just chime in, he's like, I still do that shit. Yeah, firefighting and like, he would just pop in here and there, but he was super nice. And then we ended up running, I'd say.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Five, six miles together, like back forth. He was behind me. Like every time I'd come into the aid, he'd come into the aid. And then it was like, after like mile 26 is when like we got together and then chatted up a bit. And then I was like, yo, should we send Cam a video? He goes, yeah, fuck yeah, let's do it.

• 4:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, cool.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  And I knew you were gonna be amped up on it. Like when I heard what he said, I was like, oh yeah, he's gonna love this.

• 5:03Cameron Hanes?

  No, that was sick. So, yeah, I mean, so you leveraged, basically, that had to blow you up, right?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was dope. I mean, after hearing what he had said and like his message.

• 5:12Cameron Hanes?

  Not just that, but just like the whole Moab, you being with him, you kind of finishing with those photos.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the, the ending was crazy. And seeing how hyped up he was at the end that I was chasing him down. It was like, like I told you, Candace said on his destination trail, she was just like, yo, thank you, because like, we thought for sure he was gonna walk in there, just straight dead face and walk out. And he was like, I've never seen him smile like this. He was hyped up. And, yeah, I just kind of said what up to him. And I kind of tried to walk off from there. And he kept calling me back over to talk. And that's all those clips came about. Those things are all over TikTok and the internet. Just us talking shit. But, uh, yeah, it was great. It was, uh, you couldn't ask for a better ending.

• 5:51Cameron Hanes?

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• 6:35Cameron Hanes?

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• 8:03Speaker 01

  Ah, man, it was brutal. Yeah, it was probably like the, that was my third year doing it and uh, just the storms and the flash floods and the sticky mud, but you know, I knew when I was out there, I was like, dude, just, just stay out here for a couple of days, you can get it over with and it'll just be a great story at the end. I actually kept looking at the tracker. I'm like, let's see if this motherf***er Goggins dropped. And I was like, he didn't drop and I know like he's ahead of me and I was like, I'm gonna catch him. And he didn't drop and I was like, alright, I'm not dropping. I was like, I was looking for a reason, you know, it was like, let me see if the toughest motherf***er on this course dropped and he did not drop, then maybe I'm like, uh, can make something up here. Get out of here.

• 8:40Cameron Hanes?

  Isn't it crazy how creative you can get in your head? Like, it hurts so bad. And normally you sit right here, you'd say, I never quit. I would never quit. I'll never quit a race. When you're in the race, there's a thousand reasons to quit.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 8:55Cameron Hanes?

  It's so hard.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  I thought of like, I kept like telling my pacer and we got in this section and it took us like nine hours. That should have taken us like three and a half hours. It was all just sliding and mud. It was worse than, it was almost worse than cocoa. And I was like, Yo dude, I'm done. Like I, I, I, there's not even a race anymore. I can't run. And then the second we are like a mile out, I was able to run again. I ran like, I, I think like a six thirty, seven minute pace at the end and we got there and then we were on that, uh, like that twenty six mile stretch. And I was like, yo, if there's mud throughout this whole thing, I'm for sure quitting, you know? And then we got there and started and I just, I forgot about it.

• 9:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  I, I, I bitched to him for like nine hours, like nine hours. Bitch, like literally. And then I, at the end I go, yo, sorry about that dude. Let's keep going.

• 9:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I had, I had some moments in the mud at Coca-Cola where I was just like, this is so irritating. All you want to do is run.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  And you're just like, you're just, you're just bitching your head about it. Look, why didn't you come here just walk in mud? Like, what am I doing here?

• 9:51Cameron Hanes?

  And you're looking at your pace on your watch going.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  It's like a forty minute per mile sometimes.

• 9:55Cameron Hanes?

  I'm never gonna get this thing done. Yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  And eventually it gets done. Like you just keep looking. You're like, ah, there's no time. Doom, doom, doom. And yeah, I'm with you on that.

• 10:03Cameron Hanes?

  What, uh, okay. So what do you love most about the ultra scene?

• 10:10Speaker 01

  I kinda like that everyone's there for the same reason. I think like majority of the people that get to that starting line aren't looking for that win. They're just kinda looking to see how far they can push their limits, you know? Like what is that limit?

• 10:20Cameron Hanes?

  Personal test.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I kinda like that. A lot of people, you know, I've been sober five and a half years now. Like I run into so many sober people, a lot of people that are addicts, like everyone's just kinda the same vibe. I will say like the running scene is getting a little, it's getting a little LA. A lot of shit talking going on, a lot, a lot of this and a lot of that, a lot of judgment. But I mean, what industry doesn't have it? But.

• 10:42Cameron Hanes?

  Once it gets big.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's getting, and it's getting big.

• 10:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that, that happens. I mean, when it's kinda grassroots, everybody's like pretty chill. It's all good. But yeah, once there starts getting, um, attention, money, um, yeah, mostly attention and money. That does it.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Well, then it comes into like, um, you know, the guys that are really good at running that don't get any, that don't get any shine.

• 11:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I've said that before too.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  You get the social media guys that are getting all the shine and these guys aren't. But you know, I, I've said this before even on Sally's podcast, like you gotta market yourself.

• 11:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  You have to. There's just like, you can't. You can't just be a good runner and then expect to have all this, all this fame and all this shine and that, and then you can't be mad about it if they're doing it, but they're putting in the work to do the social media stuff and, and you know, you know what I'm saying.

• 11:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. It is falls into that where he's like this run influencer. The elites like the Olympians have a fraction of the followers and attention because you have to play that game.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  I mean, he's, he plays the game well.

• 11:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  You know, running in the jeans and, and you know, still hitting like fast times and it's funny. I actually just follow whatever you post about him. I don't know him personally, but it's impressive. He does a lot of impressive stuff.

• 11:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's a, yeah, I, I want the ultra, you know, there's, there's runners like Rachel. No sponsors. It's just like, how?

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Oh, the girl that just, uh,

• 12:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just won.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:10Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, she's won, I think 20 some.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  That was that mammoth you're talking about, right?

• 12:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 12:14Cameron Hanes?

  She's won like 20 some, she won Coca dona.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Correct. I remember that. Yeah.

• 12:18Cameron Hanes?

  And she's won like 20 some races in a row and not sponsored. So I'm like, and she's going to come out. She said she's really good at shit talking. So I'm like, let's do it.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Bring it on.

• 12:27Cameron Hanes?

  Let's go, baby. Let's, let's, let's talk some shit. So she's going to come on, but, uh, yeah, I, you know, there's these, there's these people out there who are so amazing on what they do and it's, you gotta to make money off of it. Got to be able to play the game a little bit.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  I, I know it. I agree. You know, and I think like you said, from my like nightlife past, I was very good. I was connected to a lot of celebrities and influencers and I was the guy bringing all these people in. So like I already knew how to network and mend friendships with, with, with anybody.

• 12:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Like I was just good at that. And

• 12:59Cameron Hanes?

  How, how'd you get good at that? I mean, how'd you get into, cause there's pressure in that too. If you don't fill up the club.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  Oh, I was really good at it. I was like the best at it.

• 13:09Cameron Hanes?

  How? Why?

• 13:12Speaker 01

  I always had a good mouth on me, you know, my dad had a good mouth on him. So I think I took after him and I moved out to LA when I was like 20 years old and just like finagled my way into like working the first club and like I don't take no for an answer. Like I'll just keep at it. I mean, even coming on the podcast, like, you know, she, is it Rihanna?

• 13:30Cameron Hanes?

  Rihanna.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Rihanna hit me up and then like we'd just go MIA and I'm like, yo. And then I would just send a screenshot of what you said and I'm like, yo, let's, let's get this moving. You know?

• 13:39Cameron Hanes?

  We played good cop, bad cop.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:41Cameron Hanes?

  She's always a bad cop.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I already know it's probably you taking some time to get back to her.

• 13:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  So you didn't have an answer.

• 13:46Cameron Hanes?

  No, for sure. I'm like gone hunting and shit like that.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 13:49Cameron Hanes?

  So she doesn't, she doesn't want to bug me.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 13:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  So I figured that.

• 13:52Cameron Hanes?

  Wasn't, nothing was intentional for her.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  But if I see an opportunity, I don't let it go. Like I don't just like sit back on it. I like, I'll, I'm, I'm very persistent with whatever I want and what I'm going to do. And then if I say I'm going to do something, I do it. Like it just doesn't miss. So like I told myself when I was 20, like I'm going to like partner or own and operate a nightclub. By the time I was 28 and I did it. And like I just started from the bottom, worked my way up, became probably like one of the most notable people in LA that had every big celebrity you can think of from like Bieber to Kevin Hart to Paris Hilton or whatever. You know, a lot of these guys too, like Travis Barker and all these people, like I knew everybody. They came through me when they went out and I, I always knew that there was something more for me outside of that world. Like I, it, it, it never felt right to me.

• 14:36Cameron Hanes?

  Did it feel empty or like?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  It felt very empty.

• 14:38Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. So like, I always felt like I was doing drugs and drinking to basically fit in with that crowd.

• 14:44Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Right. So it wasn't like I had the issue. It was more of like, I wanted to fit in and just kind of do what everyone is doing. I felt like that was my way in with connecting with everybody. And then I got hooked on to doing drugs and drinking all the time because of that. But yeah, um, it, it's a much better place on this side.

• 15:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Where, where did you come from at 20 years old? Where'd you grow up?

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Um, Moreno Valley, California. It's in Riverside in the inland empire. Do you know where it is?

• 15:09Cameron Hanes?

  I know Riverside. There's Riverside archery. I know that.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, cause I mean, like all those dirt bike guys, you know, they live like probably like 45 minutes from like in Temecula.

• 15:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Gotcha.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. All those guys, they live right over there.

• 15:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's cool. Um, so you just, so it was just because you're in California, LA is the spot. You're like, I'm going to get to LA and make it.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's kind of how it went down. I was dating, I was dating a chick that was a teacher and a stripper that lived in LA when I was 17 years old.

• 15:37Cameron Hanes?

  I've seen that movie.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. When I was seventeen years old and I used to go out there and see her and then we would pop into a club here and there and then that thing all fell apart. Obviously that doesn't that fairy tale comes to an end and um.

• 15:50Cameron Hanes?

  The strippers are usually not like the long term relationship. I don't know.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  You know, she put the she put the wig on when she went to school to be the teacher, you know, so they want to figure it out. They figured her out pretty fast. So um, yeah, that's how that whole thing started and and I I like just that was also another problem. I put I I I put my job in front of everything in front of my in front of my family, in front of my girlfriend, in front of everything and I became the best at it. I mean, that's usually what you need to do, but it was in a wrong lane in my opinion.

• 16:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, there's not a healthy one.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Correct. It's like it's like an endless chase in that world. What's the next car? What's the next house? What's the next hot model? It's like and no one's ever satisfied. We're just competing with each other and there's no real there's no real purpose to any of it.

• 16:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Are you do you still you live in LA still, but and you're just not in that scene at all?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Not that scene. I'll pop out here and there if like there's a birthday or I get invited. There's like a big DJ playing that I want to hear or like something like that, you know, like it I'm I'm able to be around everybody that's drinking and doing drugs and whatever. It doesn't bother me. I just uh I should get tired pretty quick and I'm just like over it because everyone's like, how are you here? This and that. I'm like, I just can't save it up. I'm out of here.

• 17:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Is it uh um are you completely sober now?

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, about five and a half years. Yeah.

• 17:08Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, good. And how good does that feel?

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Feels great. I don't even think about it, dude. It's like it's crazy.

• 17:15Cameron Hanes?

  You're missing stuff or like I always did. When I stopped drinking, I was just like, I know I'm missing like but then everybody comes back with their stories about, oh, it was crazy last night. It's like, well, what happened? Nothing. It's just like same old shit.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the same old shit.

• 17:29Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, that's what I missed? Just being tired?

• 17:32Speaker 01

  And you just like kind of.

• 17:34Cameron Hanes?

  And up?

• 17:34Speaker 01

  And you look back and they're still doing the same shit. I don't I mean, I don't really care, but I'm just like, damn, I'm glad I'm not doing that no more.

• 17:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Every time. And it's just like there's when did you stop drinking?

• 17:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God, it's been I mean, I've never officially like had a date, but I just know that I just was an idiot, you know, I would just not make good decisions, say stupid shit, good blackout, couldn't remember. And then I'd be like trying to check in with people who I was out with, like to see what I did. That just gets old. So it's been.

• 18:08Cameron Hanes?

  Well, since I've been drunk, probably fifteen years.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Oh, long time.

• 18:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, a long time.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:12Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, uh, yeah, it's just, you know, you get to a point where it just doesn't feel, you know, it's just like that. The regret you have doesn't is is stronger than like the the high you have.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Correct. It's so temporary.

• 18:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it is. And it's it's not, nothing good ever happens. It's never.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  It it it's like that initial like temporary fun in the in the moment and then like.

• 18:36Cameron Hanes?

  Little buzz.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Little buzz, but then you already start feeling like shit. You can't sleep. You wake up feeling like shit. You wake up feeling like shit. You you don't you're not yourself for a couple of days like. It I don't I don't I don't know one person that regrets getting sober. Like, there's not one.

• 18:49Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  There's not one person that's like, damn, I wish I was still drinking or doing drugs like. It just doesn't happen, but um. Yeah, everyone's on their own path, man. Like, I just try to lead by example and like, you know, people was writing me like, yo, what did you do? I'm like, dude, like, if you can't make the change for yourself, it'll never happen. That's like the number one, like, that's the number one piece of advice to give people. Like, if it's for your wife or your girlfriend or your kids or whatever it is, it's you're not going to change. It's gotta be for yourself.

• 19:16Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Because if your wife leaves you, what are you gonna go do?

• 19:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, go back. Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Right back to it.

• 19:22Cameron Hanes?

  Is, uh, yeah, I think a lot of, like, a lot of people in our position that don't, you know, not using anymore, um, kind of gravitate to ultras. It's weird. I mean, you know, Max, of course.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 19:34Cameron Hanes?

  He's been sober now for about twelve years, but it's, uh, yeah, it just seems like we need an outlet. You know, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be addicted to something. It's just, what is it gonna be? Is it gonna be healthy or is it gonna be running? Or is it gonna be, you know, alcohol or running or, you know, is it gonna hurt me or help me?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 19:52Cameron Hanes?

  But I'm I'm gonna be addicted to something.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 19:55Cameron Hanes?

  And just gotta make the right choice, I guess.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, uh, this addiction's crazy because sometimes I just sit on my couch like, and it's funny, I was I was I was watching your Coca-Cola thing. You're like, yeah, this shit's fun until the night before hits. And I was thinking that every time I race, I'm like, I'm all hyped up. I get my bib shot and then I'm sleeping in my bed. I'm like, damn, this sucks.

• 20:13Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Cause then you're all antsy, getting ready for the race. The second the second you cross that line, just feels like another day of training.

• 20:18Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  But up until that point, I'm just like, yo, let's just get this thing started. And then when I'm out there and I'm miserable, I'm like, why am I doing this shit still? Like, what do I gotta prove? Like, and then I'm like, wait a minute, this is like my job now. Like, what am I talking about here? Like, I don't got a choice. I gotta get to the end of this, you know? But, yeah, it's, uh. You know what it is, man, like that feeling when you cross the end like it's a little, it's liberating, but then it's a little empty because you're like, oh damn, what's next? Right when you get done, second you get done, I'm like, well, I'm still ready to go a little bit more.

• 20:48Cameron Hanes?

  I know it's, uh, it's always, we're never satisfied. That's the thing about it is then you start, and nowadays, so you're like, looking at what everybody else is doing and you're seeing like, you want those epic moments. It looks so like, because when I look at, when I look at like you, in this last race of Moab with Goggins, I'm like, these are living. This, this, they're actually living. Am I, what am I doing?

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Were you feeling like you wanted to be out there?

• 21:17Cameron Hanes?

  Of course, of course. Yeah, there's always FOMO on stuff like that. But, uh, yeah, I mean, I was, I was hunting, so that's, you know, that's good for me. That's what I do.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Were you hunting when I hit you up?

• 21:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Oh, no way.

• 21:27Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely. Yeah. It's, uh, no, so I've been hunting pretty much since late August and just got, basically got done. I mean, I, I'm taking, well, I think I'm taking Humor Man on his first elk cut, like next week, I hope. But anyway, I've been going hard. So I didn't really have time for the races, but I still missed it. I mean,

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you feel it.

• 21:47Cameron Hanes?

  Seeing Goggins out there and you out there and just like living it.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:51Cameron Hanes?

  You know, I did Moab, that was my first, or no, not my first 200, but I did that and that's, I know what, how amazing that race is.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:59Cameron Hanes?

  I just was missing it for sure.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's always like that. And especially like when I start seeing like a lot of hype on the race when I'm not there and I see a lot of big runners in it and I start seeing all these videos go up. I'm like, damn, I should have done that race.

• 22:10Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah, I'm so glad I did Coca Dona because that one was, that was huge this year.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  I think between Coca Dona and Moab, those are the two biggest 200s of the, in the US right now. Like hype wise.

• 22:20Cameron Hanes?

  For sure.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Jamil's crushing it right now with Coca Dona because he's doing all the live streaming.

• 22:24Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah. And it, and it, it's good. I mean, people, they get addicted to following along on that stuff.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  They love it. They like following the dot and the live videos and everything. That's why like, and I told you, like Andy Glaze, I think you're gonna have him on the pod too. That's my trail husband, you know?

• 22:39Cameron Hanes?

  I love it.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So, um, he, he's really good social media and like, I'm the younger guy and like, he's always like, yo dude, post during the race. Like these people, like it just, the engagement's crazy. You literally post like the piece of dirt and talk for five seconds and it goes into the millions. He's like, they just living for it in the meantime. And he was right. He wrote me at the end, he's like, yo, I'm so proud of you. Like you listened to me this race. And I was like, all right, I guess I gotta keep up with this.

• 23:04Cameron Hanes?

  Well, he even said, I think he commented that he should have called me.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, to get off, cause he said something like, yo, come on the, oh, because you posted us. And he's like, man, I should have called you during the race so you can get on the pod.

• 23:15Cameron Hanes?

  I know, I know. So it's like, no, it's good. He does a good job of that because people really.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  They love his shit.

• 23:21Cameron Hanes?

  He's got a good following.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  He's, I'd say out of all the trail runners, he is the most popular on social media right now between TikTok and them. He sent me his numbers today and it was like, it was close to 60 million views in the last 30 days. He goes, guess we gotta do Moab again next year. That was his response to me and he just sent it over to me. And I was just like.

• 23:37Cameron Hanes?

  That is.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  His, his views are crazy. He doesn't talk about it. I know. Cause we're like best friends. So I'll, I'll put it out there for him.

• 23:42Cameron Hanes?

  No, that's, that's impressive.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:44Cameron Hanes?

  That's, cause ultra running is a niche sport still, you know? I mean, it's growing, but not compared to, but to get 60 million and.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's just on Instagram. His TikTok is insane. He's almost at a million followers on TikTok and like his videos. He literally goes, yo, that I posted a video of just me and you at the start line and it has like, I think like five million likes on it. Everything like TikTok's more about the likes, you know, not the views.

• 24:07Cameron Hanes?

  Is he, uh, is he, is he making money off? Does he have sponsors too?

• 24:11Speaker 01

  He just started taking, he just started taking stuff. Like he did a pretty big deal with, um, Hoka Strava and UTMB together. And it was a, a pretty big, it was a pretty big, uh, paying job that I know of. And he posted the other day, cause he's coming out of the book. And he said that, um, he's going to start taking deals and he's, he's slowly doing it.

• 24:29Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  He makes, you know, he, he makes a good living.

• 24:32Cameron Hanes?

  It's, he did it the right way, which is most people want to make money before they have any reason to make money. So he's got the following and the eyes. The companies, that's easy for them. They're like, they look at the metrics. They're like, oh, cool. Okay. Yeah. What do you, here, here's your check. But most people, the cart gets ahead of the horse a little bit. And they're like, okay, I want to do this for my job and they got 200 followers.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Correct. Yeah. A hundred percent.

• 24:59Cameron Hanes?

  He's, he's done it right, but he had, you know, he's like chief of the fire station or something.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  He's a, yeah, he's a. Fire, no, he is a chief. Yes, he is. He just became chief, I think a year or two ago. And, uh, yeah, he does well for himself, man.

• 25:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  And, uh, he always told me like, he didn't care about this. And then he was thinking, he's just like, because I was telling him like the brand deals I was getting and I was like, dude, you probably can quadruple the money I'm making with your metrics right now. Some of these brands don't care about that. Some of them just want to give you a salary a month. They already have the money, but some of them, if they see the metrics, they're like, oh, well, here's 50 to 100 K a post.

• 25:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  You know, I'm like, I mean, it's crazy. There's a lot of money to make with this stuff if you know how to do it.

• 25:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  It's like, it's pretty insane.

• 25:39Cameron Hanes?

  If they don't have to pay, they won't.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 25:42Cameron Hanes?

  You know what I mean?

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:43Cameron Hanes?

  So you have to be able to like,

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Market yourself.

• 25:45Cameron Hanes?

  Approach them, market them, market yourself. But if they can get all that for nothing, they're definitely going to.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 25:51Cameron Hanes?

  It's a business. Yeah. So it's like, it's still a business, but yeah, it's, uh, when it's anchored in passion, like, you know, I know Andy loves to run, you love to run. So it's anchored in like, it's a passion project, basically.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:06Cameron Hanes?

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• 27:07Cameron Hanes?

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• 27:53Speaker 01

  It literally has. I like, if you would have told me two years from now that I'd be making money running, like I was kind of stressing at one point because I had done well for myself in nightlife. And then when I went through this whole like rock bottom situation, I just started running, kind of posting about it. And I was like, you know, at that time, everything was closed because of COVID. So COVID, so everything was closed at that time. So it was like, I don't think the clubs even opened up like year and a half after. So I couldn't even have FOMO about it. I was just kind of like, this is like the best time to get out of this shit.

• 28:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  And now it's like, I feel like I got into running and then five years later now, like every single person in LA and these spots are trying to do run clubs and part of these run groups. And I was like, damn, I was way ahead of the needle.

• 28:34Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Way ahead of it.

• 28:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  You know, and it's like, I never thought that this would turn into a career for me. I mean, I'm sitting here with you and like running with Goggins the other day, like it's a crazy, it's a crazy full circle. As I talked about, I talked about him slightly in my book because I had recorded my audible in the same studio he recorded his in. And right before we recorded, my boy had listened to his audible and I didn't. He's like, yo, we should run a podcast style like he did. And we did.

• 28:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  And it turned out good.

• 29:01Cameron Hanes?

  And a book sold.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do well. Yeah. And every time I race and do podcasts, it's just like.

• 29:06Cameron Hanes?

  Gets a bump. So it's Mask. You guys check it out. It's a, I mean, you are.

• 29:13Cameron Hanes?

  I think when I talk, when I think of running and I think of, well, just in business, you're very marketable. I mean, just like Max has that look.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 29:20Cameron Hanes?

  You have a, this, it's not the ultra look, you know what I mean?

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:24Cameron Hanes?

  Anything you can stand out. Andy has his whatever, jorts.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, joy, smile or are you doing it wrong?

• 29:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, vegan and all this other shit. So he's got his, Tru is got his genes. He runs in. It's like, if you either have to be world class or you better have a little hook.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 29:44Cameron Hanes?

  And you do. So.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I appreciate that.

• 29:46Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, yeah, I mean, it's one, I think it's, you know, Max is a great runner, but he's also got, he's got that.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  He's a stud.

• 29:53Cameron Hanes?

  That vibe.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's got the Orange County like skateboarding.

• 29:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  And he's got the look and he can run fast.

• 29:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's a good combination.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a stud.

• 30:01Cameron Hanes?

  In the ultra running space, like who do you, who do you look up to follow or who do you like, think could pop off? That's maybe that's eight different questions.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Who, oh, I think, um, I think Killian's gonna pop off here.

• 30:15Cameron Hanes?

  Of course.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, after this, I think he knows how to talk.

• 30:18Cameron Hanes?

  I want to have him on.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, we gotta get him on. I actually, I, we were talking before and I was like, I think Cam's gonna bring you on.

• 30:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  And I said, I, I was like, don't worry, I'll talk about you. I said, I'll, I'll show you some love. So Killian, you're listening now. It's here, buddy. I'm a man of my word.

• 30:30Cameron Hanes?

  No, I want, I want Killian, I want Andy, I want Rachel for sure. And I don't know who else, but.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Those three, yeah. You know what, dude? I don't, I, I guess to answer your question, I don't really look up to anybody. I think like I look at certain things and I'm like, oh, that dude's dope.

• 30:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Like I never like looked up to Goggins. I would like, I never looked up to anybody but my dad. That was like the one guy, like I never like fanned out about anybody or anything but like that. I was like, oh yeah, Cam's dope. He's got a dope brand, you know, Goggins is dope. He's got a dope brand. Like, you know, that's what I think when I see certain people and I don't ever think anyone's better than me.

• 31:01Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  I always feel like, oh, if that guy can run, then I can, I can get to that point too.

• 31:03Cameron Hanes?

  Perfect.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how I think.

• 31:05Cameron Hanes?

  What, so tell me about your dad, like what's.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Oh, my dad is badass, man. Yeah, he passed his march, but, uh, he was a runner. He was a marathoner. Um, he got to see a lot of this stuff though. He got to see my whole turnaround. He saw me get off drugs, you know, that was a beautiful thing. He came here as an immigrant, uh, from Lebanon in the eighties and just. Took the shirt off his back and provided for the family and just made it had a good life for us.

• 31:29Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What did he? How old was he?

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Sixty eight. He was young, dude.

• 31:33Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, and what did he die from?

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Cancer. Yeah. He had some other issues going on, but it's, it's, it's crazy because he was the healthiest dude. The guy never smoked. He didn't drink. He was healthy. He ran and it just, that's life though.

• 31:44Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Comes and goes, you know?

• 31:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, my, I, my dad was sixty two and he had been sober for thirty some years. Cancer, same thing. You know, it's just like,

• 31:55Cameron Hanes?

  and then you see people.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  That are like a hundred years old with like a cigarette in their throat.

• 31:59Cameron Hanes?

  And whiskey.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's crazy.

• 32:01Cameron Hanes?

  God, life is nuts.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:03Cameron Hanes?

  I think the lesson is that we need to live it to our fullest every day, right? Cause it's temporary.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  I know. Some people like, oh, why do you keep, where are you going to keep running? Like, what about your bodies? Like, dude, I don't know if I'm going to be here tomorrow. I'm going to keep running these races to the wheels.

• 32:17Cameron Hanes?

  There's no guarantees.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  There's nothing.

• 32:19Cameron Hanes?

  No, that's a, hey, look at this. Goggins gave me this.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Wow, the medallion. It's almost like we're running together again.

• 32:27Cameron Hanes?

  But look on the back, because he's like the thirty sixth.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  That's badass, yeah. Did he ever come in here and do the pod?

• 32:33Cameron Hanes?

  He hasn't yet.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  No?

• 32:34Cameron Hanes?

  No, he's like the thirty sixth black seal.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  How did you guys meet?

• 32:38Cameron Hanes?

  Um.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  That's you in the video where like he's doing the, the, the pushups. You're like, come on.

• 32:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  It's a super crazy one.

• 32:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that was, uh, that was my buddy Eric. He's a trainer. Now he lives in Arizona, but he used to come and train me every day. He was running us through that workout just over here at International Fitness. We had Goggins in there and he's just going, doing this Goggins.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  But you were there, right?

• 33:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  That's you screaming at him or no?

• 33:04Cameron Hanes?

  No, that's my buddy Eric.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Your boy, but you were working.

• 33:05Cameron Hanes?

  I was lifting.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Oh, you were lifting?

• 33:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so we were doing the circuit, me, me, Goggins and Truitt.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:11Cameron Hanes?

  So Truitt lifted with us too, but we did the frozen trail fifty K over at Pisco and then we went and lifted. Oh no, we shot bows and then we lifted and then we watched UFC all on the same, same night.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  That us.

• 33:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  What year was that?

• 33:25Cameron Hanes?

  That was, I think, twenty eighteen.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  True was like seven years old then, huh? How old is he?

• 33:29Cameron Hanes?

  He was young.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, he had been young, huh?

• 33:31Cameron Hanes?

  That was where he first, so after we did that whole lift, Goggins said, "At the end of my workouts, I always do 100 pull-ups." And so, Truitt was like, "Okay, I'll do pull-ups with you." Master Truitt got kind of the bug started to start doing pull-ups and then he wanted to get the world record.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Ah, I forgot about that, actually. That's kind of what kind of like, uh, kind of ignited his name, right?

• 33:52Cameron Hanes?

  It did, yeah.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Record, yeah.

• 33:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, cuz Goggins had it at, like in 2013, he did 4,032. And so, and so Truitt was always like, "Okay, I want to beat that." It wasn't even the world record anymore, but it was, you know, Goggins.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:05Cameron Hanes?

  We looked, we very much looked up to Goggins and it's like, he's like, "I want to beat that." And then he went after the real world record and got that, but yeah. It started, started with Goggins.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  That's so.

• 34:14Cameron Hanes?

  But that was in 2018.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  There's this, uh, there's this funny clip.

• 34:18Cameron Hanes?

  Do these ketones?

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I've had them before. There's this funny clip, I actually, at the end of the race, uh, this guy sent to me that supposedly like,

• 34:28Speaker 01

  he was, here it is, I'm gonna play it for you, quick, I'll say.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  You did awesome.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Why?

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Thank you for that run at the end, man. I appreciate you, man. Yeah. That run, James Watson. James Watson. You almost made me get my ass smoked by that guy.

• 34:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yo, that's you?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:48Cameron Hanes?

  You almost made me get my ass smoked.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  I guess it was because, so this guy came up to me and was like, "Yo, man, uh, I was pacing Goggins, I was looking at him, he didn't look like he ran." And I was like, "You paced him?" And he's like, "Yeah." And that, and I'm guessing he did, based off of what David just said right there. But his pacer was with him too, so I don't know, this guy, he's like, "Yeah, I just, I came in with him on, on the last final stretch." And I was, I didn't really ask him any question, but then, he found me on Instagram, sent me that video and I'm like, "That video is funny as [bleep]." Cuz I had walked right by Goggins, he was like, "You almost made me get my ass smoked by that guy right there."

• 35:23Cameron Hanes?

  That's awesome.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:25Cameron Hanes?

  That's so funny. Yeah, it's, uh, I've been hitting Goggins up since then, cuz I was like, "I want to take him hunting." He's never hunted.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:32Cameron Hanes?

  And, uh, yeah, so.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  What's he saying?

• 35:34Cameron Hanes?

  He's, uh, yeah, he's like, well, he's doing another 200.

• 35:39Cameron Hanes?

  Did you know that?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  When?

• 35:41Cameron Hanes?

  I'm not gonna say.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Oh, like it soon?

• 35:43Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I think.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  What's left? There's Divide. No, Divide's done. I feel like all the US ones are done. They're spying in the winter.

• 35:53Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know which one.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  You know which one. You don't want to say it right now because he's about to just pop up out of the blue and be like, motherfucker, I'm back.

• 35:58Cameron Hanes?

  That's kind of how he's been doing it.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Doing it. Yeah.

• 36:01Cameron Hanes?

  He's been, he's, his name shows up on Ultra Sign Up and then people are like,

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Start losing it. Yeah.

• 36:06Cameron Hanes?

  Doing this? Because people are asking me like about Moab because he, he never said he's doing it. But, you know, I knew after, uh, what did he do? What was his first 200 this year?

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Uh, Bigfoot.

• 36:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, Bigfoot. Yeah. And then I'm like, there's no way. He's not doing another one. Sure as shit. Well, there might be another one.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Somebody, so, somebody like that was running the race was like, yo, Goggins is running Moab. And I was like, oh, I'm thinking like, oh, he's probably not going to run it. Like he just ran Bigfoot or whatever. And then like, I didn't even see him at the start. I don't know where the, he must've just like popped up so he didn't have to take no photos that anybody. And I was talking to somebody else and I was like, he, he wasn't mean. Like when we were talking, he was cool. He's like, no, he was in a bad mood. I ran 90 miles in the last, I was like, what happened? He's like, well, some guy was just talking shit to him at the start, like just for no reason. And then he fired off on him. Then some guy was filming him and he just looked at him and said, yo, why don't you stop filming me and get to know me for a second? Or like, you know, and like, so he's probably just, just aggravated.

• 36:59Cameron Hanes?

  He's just burnout.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Well, people just like, they think they want to compete with him or something. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get you or like whatever it is. And I'm like, what? Like, I don't get it. Like,

• 37:08Cameron Hanes?

  He's Goggins.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:10Cameron Hanes?

  Beat him in this race, you didn't win anything.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 37:13Cameron Hanes?

  You didn't win. He, he's still Goggins.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Correct. Doesn't matter.

• 37:16Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's, uh, yeah, I, I just love that. I mean, I can't believe he's doing multiple 200s.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:22Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, in a year.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  I asked him, I go, yo, what, uh, what ignited you to start back up? He looks at me, goes, Just being me, man.

• 37:30Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  I thought he was gonna say like, yo, Cam doing that race fired me up or something. I thought, I, I feel like a piece of that fired him up a little bit when he had seen you do Cokodona. He's like, damn, that motherfucker's seven years older than me. I gotta get back out there.

• 37:41Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe, maybe. It's all right.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Could have fired him up.

• 37:43Cameron Hanes?

  Hey, he, he pushes me if I can push him.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. It's great.

• 37:46Cameron Hanes?

  It's all good. It's all good. It's, uh, I was just, I just love to see him crushing it, dude. It's, uh, he's such a badass.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Did you smash one of these right now?

• 37:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I did.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  You got an energy drink?

• 37:58Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, yeah. Do you want one?

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  You have a dry throat over here, bro. We're talking a lot.

• 38:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, there you go. Well, do you ever talk like, you've mentioned it a few times, you're, you're, you're rock bottom. Do you ever talk about like, what, what is rock bottom? What was rock bottom?

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Um.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  I think rock bottom is like that pivotal point where like, you know, like the change needs to be made.

• 38:23Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm. Like did, was there a, I, I don't, I don't wanna, I don't know what you wanna talk about.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  My whole story is out there.

• 38:31Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I don't care. Um, I went through a situation where somebody left my house, went to party in another house and overdosed and died.

• 38:41Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  And they tried to twist the whole thing into making it seem like I could have made better choices where she wouldn't have left with this person and wouldn't have died over there if I basically would have taken more care of her at my house, but just didn't, didn't make any sense. I wasn't even hanging out with her. And the way it got twisted was I gave all my text messages to the police when they came to me.

• 39:05Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  And the police are like, look, we have her phone. You're innocent. It's fine. There's a lot of locker room talk on here. So the locker room talk gets spun on the internet.

• 39:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  And it looked real bad. I looked at it and I was like, this looks like shit.

• 39:18Cameron Hanes?

  Well, yeah, I've, I've, guys talking to guys, like, we say the craziest, if it's up on like a whiteboard, you're just like, holy shit.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 39:28Cameron Hanes?

  It does not look good.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's what kinda happened to me. Um, I wrote a whole book on this though, and kind of explained my messages. I took accountability for like the shitty language that I had and but, you know, I didn't, I'm not hurting anybody. I'm not drugging anybody. I'm not, I didn't do anything wrong, you know? It was just like this crazy gossip situation on the internet. And when it all, when this one person tried to spin it all with all the gossip websites in 2020, that's when I hit rock bottom and I felt like everything I had worked for in nightlife just got swiped for me in like 24 hours, like completely like most hated or most loved and most hated in these 24 hours.

• 40:06Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  And you know, when you're going through something like that, you only see the negative.

• 40:10Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  I'm not like, you know, there's a bunch of people that were like, no, this isn't Eli. Like, you know, a bunch of big people, a bunch of celebrities, a bunch of influencers that like just stayed quiet. Eventually I talked to them like, we know you didn't do anything, but like, we didn't wanna get caught in this crossfire. It's too great. And this is before the word cancel culture even existed. Like, I think if you look in the dictionary of cancel culture, my name is there.

• 40:28Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  You know?

• 40:29Cameron Hanes?

  So you were canceled.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  I was, I was the first person, you know, like I went through it. I disappeared for eight months. That's when I wrote my book and got into the running and then came back and put up basically this video of me running and talking and literally had like 99% of the public back on my side.

• 40:45Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  And maybe I already had them on my side and in my head, I didn't think they were there.

• 40:49Cameron Hanes?

  You thought everybody was judging you and.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  But I always say like, your character will always outweigh like any lie told about you. And like, my character goes a long way. And that's like, if I was that piece of shit person they put out there like this, I wouldn't have had the support that I had.

• 41:01Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  And yeah, that, that situation, when I went through like the public humiliation was like my rock bottom where I was like, hmm. If this isn't a reason to get out of this, this industry, I don't know what is like, as you, at this point, something bad is going to happen to you. You know, like if you don't leave the industry is what I was telling myself. And then some girl I knew came over to my house, like, why don't you write a book on your life? Like your, your life was insane out here. Like people would love this shit. And I was like, all right, and I'm just going to pull down the curtains on nightlife, talk about fucked up it is. And pretty much like, did that, but it's a self-discovery book. It, it's an entertaining book. It's super entertaining. It's like super Hollywood meets running meets self-discovery and

• 41:43Speaker 01

  yeah, I, I don't know if that fully answered your question for you, but I kind of got into it, you know?

• 41:48Cameron Hanes?

  It does. I think it probably even hits harder because it is like, uh, what is it? It's, um, you know, it's all image. So Hollywood, LA, it's image. If that image gets tainted, like, like.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  And everyone you thought had your back, they're gone.

• 42:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  And the second that I had my rebirth.

• 42:08Cameron Hanes?

  As long as you can't, you know how it works. If you can't help somebody like open doors or, or network or whatever. If, and because of your image took a hit, then you couldn't help people. So they're just like,

• 42:19Speaker 01

  I don't need this guy.

• 42:20Cameron Hanes?

  On to the next.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  A, a reoccurring, uh, quote in my book is if you can't be used, you're useless. So it's like,

• 42:27Speaker 01

  um, and it's just funny because a lot of the same people that turned their backs have came back around now, especially after this, like, did you do, like, I just, I see people like, you know, because it'll show me like priority of who liked my stuff. And like, you know, like the, the bigger accounts will be at the top and I'll see people and then I'm like, that mother, like, you know, like liking the photo me and Goggins or like, you know, and I'm just like.

• 42:47Cameron Hanes?

  Anytime you get a little shy.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're back, you know. It's all good. I just keep a mental note. I was never a dick to anybody. I was just kinda like, all good, bro. Like, you know, like, me and you weren't even close. Like, I don't care. Like, we're good. Like, you know, let's go out, let's go out, let's go have a bite. Like, I just, I don't care.

• 43:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. When you're at the bottom, that phone never rings.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  But when you're back. It was a, it was, um, oh, this stuff's pretty good.

• 43:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Was your buddies on?

• 43:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, Black R- that, that's one of my favorite flavors, that white there.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  That one?

• 43:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Tastes pretty good. Doesn't feel, I don't feel like, uh, you know.

• 43:18Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Crazy, you know?

• 43:19Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's all good.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Um, but yeah, man, um, I'm glad I went through that situation. There's times for a long time where like every time I dated a girl or whatever, had to explain this shit and go on the internet and be like, yo, this is not what it is. Like, here, read my book. And then they read the book and they're like, oh, sorry, like, sorry for judging you, you know, because we're reading this one-sided, false, I, like, just, just clobbering me, you know? But now I love it. Like, I like the bad press. And it gets people to read my book, and it makes more to the story. And I feel like with no controversy, you have no story.

• 43:51Cameron Hanes?

  I, I'll be honest. So you went, you were on Sally's.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 43:57Cameron Hanes?

  I saw some comments.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  On Reddit?

• 43:59Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know what. But I was, I was like, what the is this about?

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:03Cameron Hanes?

  This is a guy who I ran with at Coca-Dona, right? And I was just like, I did some research. And I read some article from some magazine or newspaper, and I saw the text, and I'm just like, I know how texts can be.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:16Cameron Hanes?

  But I'm just like,

• 44:19Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I mean,

• 44:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:21Cameron Hanes?

  But, but I was like, that does influence people, you know? But it's like, not, to me, I'm like, no, I'm gonna, I judge people on.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Correct. Yeah, yeah.

• 44:29Cameron Hanes?

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• 46:17Cameron Hanes?

  So, they're going to highlight the worst shit. Good shit never gets any love, right? It's the worst shit that's going to get a lot of attention, so I understand that. But, yeah, I did some research on my, just like anybody else does, but I'm proud of how you've, your attitude, your approach to this, and where you are now, because it seems so healthy. Yes, did you, whatever. Could you, would you like that if never to have happened? Probably, but the change in you might not have happened without something, you know, rock bottom.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree. And I was just going to tell you that I think that I'd still be in nightlife, I'd still be doing coke every night, I'd still be drinking, and who knows if I would have been alive by now, you know? So it's like... Yeah, and that that whole situation is crazy cuz like me being honest and giving my messages up is what screwed me in the whole thing because if I did something wrong, I would have been like chuck the phone, gone, I don't have it. I don't know. I don't have that phone anymore. Say whatever that would say whatever I need to say. I was like, look, here's everything. If you find anything, I told them this and they came out. If you find anything deleted, you can take my phone too. Right. You can take whatever you want. And they were like, you're good. So you had nothing to hide. I mean, that that was pretty much.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  You you know, when I looked at it, I'm like, this doesn't look good, but I'm like, if I delete something from this now and they figure out that I deleted something, that's gonna look way worse than just leaving it there. So just leave it there. And I'm like, I didn't do anything to this girl. So I told the cops. I'm like, look, this is all locker room talk. And they were just like, yo, you're innocent to us. If we if we need anything else, boom. And then, you know, parents put out a civil case against like seven of us and just drag that shit for years and years and years over money. So it's just like

• 48:04Speaker 01

  a headache over a dollar amount, you know, over over nothing. And like, I

• 48:10Speaker 01

  I I know deep down, they know I didn't do anything to their daughter, you know, this all just became a whole money play. Yeah. But

• 48:19Speaker 01

  like I said, like I just, I wouldn't be sitting here with you if I didn't go to this situation. There's no way. I'd I'd be looking for the I'd be running the next club or like, there's no way in hell I would have gotten to all trust. Yeah. I mean, this shit's hard, dude. No, and you know. You know, it almost like forced me to like become good, like trying to get good at this because I remember running the first 50K and I'm like, no, this is miserable. And you know, when you don't know how to suffer and you go through like a 50K and you're miserable, you're like, there's no way I can run 50 miles. There's no way I could do 100K. And I and I started building up to all this shit. Then once I hit the 100 miler and I was like, ah, I figured it out finally. I figured out how to suffer. Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  And this thing, this this sport's beautiful, man. But that's cool, man. I'm glad that you did look into it and I'm glad you asked about it on here. I'm not, I'm not shy. I'll talk about it. It's my story. It's in my book. And and I, you know.

• 49:09Cameron Hanes?

  And I guess her parents defense, when you're the parent of a kid, you don't think they can do any wrong.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 49:16Cameron Hanes?

  You know, so I mean, there's part of the just being a, a, a parent and of course they lost their daughter, which is terrible.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:23Cameron Hanes?

  And you never wanna say, I, I, I don't know, you, I don't know. I just can't imagine.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, yeah.

• 49:30Cameron Hanes?

  That would be hard.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  It, it, and you know, they know them in a certain light, right?

• 49:33Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Like you're like, I'm not going to my mom and dad and telling them I'm doing coke every night.

• 49:37Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  You know, so when they're talking, they're like.

• 49:39Cameron Hanes?

  If they would, if your parents would have heard that, they would have been like, what?

• 49:41Speaker 01

  My son never does that.

• 49:42Cameron Hanes?

  My little Eli?

• 49:44Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 49:44Cameron Hanes?

  He wouldn't, those are illegal drugs.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 49:47Cameron Hanes?

  So it's, that's just kinda how it works.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I understood the whole thing. I wasn't, you know, there, there was a lot of times where I just was getting angry. I'm like, dude, this is ridiculous. Like you're just dragging me through this shit and like over and over and over to the mud. And like, I was like, I didn't do anything. And like, I mean, how much more honest do you want me to be? It's like, the more honest I was, the more I was getting dragged into it. Cause it's just more ammunition, you know, for, for it. But, you know, uh, like I said, I'm glad like you, you dug into it and asked me about it and, uh, you know, there'll, there'll be someone that shit talks us when we get on here. Oh, that guy, I don't like the way he talks about women or whatever it is. I don't give a shit.

• 50:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  You wanna hate me, hate me.

• 50:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  I'm here, I'm being me, I'm being honest. That's all I can be, you know?

• 50:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And, you know, who's perfect? I'm not perfect. I can't judge you. I mean, so if people are, wanna judge, okay, judge us.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 50:43Cameron Hanes?

  It's fine. It's, uh, that's just the way it goes.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think Sally took some, Sally took a little, Sally took a little, Sally Leslie, she wrote me on my way over here. She's like, I'm so happy. She's like Eli plus Cam. This is the, the comma we've always needed, da, da, da, da. And then was asking me.

• 50:54Cameron Hanes?

  I love Sally. She's the best.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  She, uh.

• 50:57Cameron Hanes?

  Pure heart.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I just, uh, I appreciate that with Sally too. She was like super, super in my corner and she's like, Eli, your book's amazing. I read that shit twice and like, you know, the people judging online, they're not like, you know, I'll start looking at the comments and like someone will call me like, yo, did you read his book? Like, did you read anything he had to say?

• 51:15Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  We don't give a what he has to say.

• 51:16Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Look, I talked about women, da, da, da, da. And then, and they're just like, forget it. You know, you just, you just don't deal with those people. So.

• 51:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  They're looking, they're looking for problems, bro.

• 51:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  They're sitting there, they're cheetos and they're sprite and overweight and on the couch with their hidden Reddit names and you don't know who they are and just talking shit.

• 51:33Cameron Hanes?

  I know. No, it's, it's. What we do, we run ultras, they talk shit on Reddit.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's alright.

• 51:39Cameron Hanes?

  So you're a, so let's get back into the, the industry. I mean, whatever.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  More fuel, my friend.

• 51:46Cameron Hanes?

  I, I wanted to discuss it just because I know if we didn't, people would be like.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Well, you're not gonna bring it up or like, yeah, why'd you bring that guy on the pod and I'll bring, yeah.

• 51:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, or, yeah, did you know about that guy or did you, whatever. So I'm just like.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  No shit, I know. I have the internet.

• 52:00Cameron Hanes?

  Let's just, let's just.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:02Cameron Hanes?

  Talk it out. Um, you can't change anything. What happened, happened.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  What it is.

• 52:07Cameron Hanes?

  Is what it is. It's like you've, you know, whatever.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Dude, I've, I am a, a living proof of like, thinking that like, anybody that saw it when it went down was like, that guy's done for good. And I've came back and fought and have came back on a huge W and on top. And that's just because I don't give up.

• 52:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  And especially like, if I had done something wrong, I'll take accountability for it. But I didn't fucking do something wrong. So I'm not going down for something I didn't do.

• 52:34Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  You know, the guys that are quiet are usually the ones that did something wrong.

• 52:37Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Right? I'm not gonna write a whole memoir if I, let's lie about this whole book.

• 52:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  You know, like, that sounds crazy.

• 52:44Cameron Hanes?

  Because then they can use that against you.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 52:46Cameron Hanes?

  You know, that's all of a sudden, yeah, that's document, documentation. But, um, you know what I think it does? It's a good, because people aren't going to go through what you went through, but.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, rare case.

• 52:59Cameron Hanes?

  Let's, let's hope not.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:00Cameron Hanes?

  If they lose their job, some people think there's no hope, right?

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 53:05Cameron Hanes?

  You're a good example of, it can be, you can have no hope. Everything lost, your career lost, public perception in the shithole, your image, whatever, and you still came back. So the lesson I want out there is like, it doesn't matter where you're at or what you're going through. You can fight your way out.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 53:27Cameron Hanes?

  You just said, you just, you don't give up. So it might not be tomorrow that's, that you've overcome whatever challenge you're, you're facing. But you can get through it and you're, you're living proof of that.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Proof of it, man.

• 53:40Cameron Hanes?

  So it's, that's a great example.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  And technically I did lose, I mean, I lost everything that I had going for me. Could I go back to nightlife now? Yeah. Could easily go back. It's trash out there though, and I don't want, I'm so like, everyone that's in it. I'll make a joke, we're out like, oh, should I relapse tonight? And they're like, no, no, no. We're proud of you, bro. You don't want to be doing this anymore.

• 53:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  You know, like, they're not, they're like, I think once, like, you know, misery seeks company. So when those guys, I know the other guys that are partying, they want them to party with them. But if they know you've been sober for a while and shit, they are like, no, no, no.

• 54:08Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  You don't want to be back.

• 54:09Cameron Hanes?

  You made it out.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you made it out, dude. And that's, it's tough.

• 54:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. People that want to bring you back, those people aren't on your side anyway.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 54:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's not who you want to be.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Some guys are like, ew, when are you going to start drinking again? I'm like, fuck off. Like, what are you talking about, dude?

• 54:22Cameron Hanes?

  No, not, you're not missing shit. Um, so yeah, you started with the 50K and then how did, what was your first hundred?

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Havelina.

• 54:31Cameron Hanes?

  Havelina.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  This week, I was supposed to, me and Andy were supposed to vlog it together. We're going to dress up as each other. I was going to wear the Jordans and you're going to wear that and we're going to vlog it. And I got, there's just a lot going on this week. You got your podcast, you got another podcast tomorrow. And I got some speaking gigs this week. And I was just kind of like, I need my, my broken toe to heal a little bit. You know what it's like running on a broken foot. That shit sucked.

• 54:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it does.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  But I was like, would it, when I broke it, like, it was like the night before now, or like the, the night before I left. So it was on, I think like Wednesday night and the race was Friday. I sat down for like 10 hours and I could not, I put my shoe on. I couldn't run at all. Like I like kept going outside and I was like, yo, this is bad. And then I was like, there's no way I can post that I'm not running over a broken pinky toe. Like what kind of bitch am I going to look like? That's the kind of sound I'm saying. I'm like, Cam just ran on a broken foot.

• 55:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  I was like, if Goggins heard this, he'd be like, I broke three of my toes just, just because I heard you broke one and I'm still out here, you know?

• 55:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  I'm thinking about this for like hours, dude. And I just like woke up in the morning. And I put my like, I put like my actual race shoes on.

• 55:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  You're going to force yourself to run a mile back and forth in the driveway right now. And then I'm like, all right, fuck it. I'm, I'm manifesting, I'm just going to forget about this shit when the race starts. I kid you not. Not long after the race start, I didn't think about it at all.

• 55:45Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:46Cameron Hanes?

  It's gone.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Gone. I didn't get adrenaline from the start and I was talking to some dude, I was pretty much talking for the first fuck, I mean, maybe the whole fucking race, I was talking to somebody.

• 55:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  You know, I was, I was pretty much running with somebody up until I got to my pacer.

• 56:00Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  And we were just bullshitting and talking and I got stories for fucking days. I'm like, yo, you want to hear my story? And they're like, what the, you know, like.

• 56:08Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  That's so.

• 56:10Cameron Hanes?

  That's, that's a good way to pass time.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:12Cameron Hanes?

  Pass miles.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:13Cameron Hanes?

  I saw you at, we were like mile ninety.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Ninety.

• 56:16Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 56:17Speaker 01

  And you're like, you slept? And I was like, no, I was like, damn, that motherfucker's gonna get me right now. He's like, you haven't got good sleep.

• 56:22Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I was, I was thinking that I slept kind of early because I was after the, just ninety miles. And I'm like, okay, probably nobody else is sleeping. If I can get it done now, I can catch some people.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  But then the mud, the mud made everyone so tired.

• 56:35Cameron Hanes?

  It did.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  When we got to top of Mingus, I hit an hour nap. And I wasn't planning on napping there. I was planning on napping when we got to, uh, what is it? Not Jerome, is it Jerome?

• 56:42Cameron Hanes?

  Jerome.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  It's a drum, like mile one twenty-four or whatever it is. That's where I was planning on hitting my nap. And I was like, you were my motivation. I was, I'm gonna stay on Cam's ass now. And I was like, you know, Goggins is the last one and Cam was in this one. I was like, you almost stay on his ass. And then you got, you got a good lead on me once, uh, you got through that mud. You, I think you got through the mud better than I did.

• 57:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, I actually ran really good from Mingus to Jerome. That, all that downhill.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  I was like, uh, like I thought, I almost had hypothermia. Like my pacer was like.

• 57:10Cameron Hanes?

  It was pouring.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  My pacer was like treating me like a two-year-old kid. He's like, put this jacket on. Why are you shivering like that? He was just screaming at me and I was like, I'm done, man. I'm like, I'm done. I'm like, I can't, my mouth's chattering. I couldn't talk at all. He's like, you're gonna get hypothermia. You're gonna die out here. Let's go. We have to move.

• 57:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  And then we got to the bottom. I, I slept for three hours. I never slept that long. It's like an hour and a half. I heard the rain and I was like, like that. Nope. I closed the, I closed the door. We had like a little camper and I was like, nope. And then I woke up again. They're like, so what, you're in DNF? And I was like, yeah. And then I was like, is there still rain out there? And they're like, no. And I was like, all right, let me, let me, let me peek my head out this door real quick. I peeked my head out and I just started jamming.

• 57:47Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nice.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  You finished maybe like four or five hours ahead of me, but I kept taking multiple naps after that. Like I took like another three hours of sleep again, like, like hour nap here, hour nap here, hour nap here.

• 57:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  I only slept hour and forty-five minutes at Moab.

• 58:01Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Tops.

• 58:02Cameron Hanes?

  Wow.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:03Cameron Hanes?

  I wonder what the difference was.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  I don't know. I felt super exhausted at Coca Dona. I think after that, uh, cause I never got like close to hypothermia at uh, at Moab. I was never like shivering like that. There were some cold sections.

• 58:17Cameron Hanes?

  That probably took some, took some out of you then.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  At Coca Dona?

• 58:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think like, I felt so sick and I was just like, man, I'm done. And then I was so worried when we had to cross the that river.

• 58:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  I was thinking it was gonna be freezing. The water was warmer than was outside. I was trying to head out in there.

• 58:34Cameron Hanes?

  And that was, that was after Jerome. So that was, yeah, I can't remember what mile that was at, but yeah, that was a, I ran good out of Mingus and I, that's where I, I think I caught Shelby there. Uh, Pharrell. She's, she's really good.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. But uh, yeah, anyway, what a great, great run. Uh, but yeah, it was good to see you at, at 90. You had your big personality like normal and get a picture and everything.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Yep. I was like.

• 59:01Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, you can always count on that.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  The race, you're like, yo, why the are you so big?

• 59:06Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I know.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  You said to me.

• 59:07Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Normally, you know, good, good ultra runners are little, you know? I mean, it's like.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  I was laughing when he said that. I was like, you just looked at me like, yo, what?

• 59:16Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  What the are you so big?

• 59:17Cameron Hanes?

  What are you like, are you six two?

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Six two, yeah.

• 59:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. No, that's a, that's, you know, that's a lot of mass to move around those mountains.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  I think it's good. On the two hundreds, I feel like, like having some size on you is good.

• 59:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, it makes you more durable for sure. I think.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  I've been trying to sit like at like 195, but then once I'm done with the race, I'm at like 180. I didn't drop like fit. You know what's weird about Moab is I'm always, I look heavy when I'm done and I, I almost like I gained weight.

• 59:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  And then a day later, it all drops. I'm just, I'm so, um, like so much inflammation. I think it's from the elevation from sitting up there for so long.

• 59:50Cameron Hanes?

  Might be. It might, there's, your body goes through so much shit, dude. It's crazy. Um.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  You've seen some of these guys that have like the, like, you remember that year, Mike McNabb had like the, the pot belly?

• 1:00:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  That was crazy. That was at Coca Dona like two years ago.

• 1:00:05Cameron Hanes?

  He's went through some shit. Like what race was he crawling? Like, do you remember when he's crawling on his hands and knees? It's like, it'd been like, I think was pacing him and he's like, it does not look good.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:17Cameron Hanes?

  You're like, if you're in a race and you're crawling.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  I like those guys. Ben's a good buddy of mine too. They always talk good about you.

• 1:00:25Cameron Hanes?

  No, Mike texted me today, I think. Yeah, he's the best. They paced me at Crazy Mountain.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  That's right. I didn't know. I didn't know a ton about you at that time. I think I started. I remember like Mike had like a pinned photo at the top on your page. I knew who you were. And then they were like, yeah, Cam's great and this and that. And I was kind of getting into the running and shit. And I was like, I'm gonna meet all these eventually. I'm gonna run some races with them.

• 1:00:50Cameron Hanes?

  And now look at you, dude. You're in the fucking mix. You made it happen. You manifested all of it.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I didn't do any work. I just manifested. I sit at home with my rocks.

• 1:01:00Cameron Hanes?

  No, you worked your ass off. So tell me, tell me about, so you're crushing these 200s. Tell me about your training. I want to know what it takes.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  I forget about that. There was a lot of, now that I read all those questions yesterday when I put up questions, training was a big, big one. I usually run, I used to run 100 mile weeks and I stopped doing that because I felt like it was just crushing me during the races. So I started bringing it down to like 60 to 80 miles a week. And usually one of those days of the week, I'll just climb on the treadmill. And then other than that, I'd probably get around anywhere between 15,000 to 20,000 feet of climbing a week within the 60 to 80 miles.

• 1:01:37Cameron Hanes?

  On mostly on treadmill or on trail?

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  On trail. We have tons of mountains by my house. I saw Santa Monica Mountains. Yeah. So I kind of have like everything over there to train on. So I just train in the Santa Monica Mountains every day. You should get up every single day around, well, I guess it depends on the lighting. So if it's gonna be light by 5:15, I'm up by 4:30 and I'm catching the sunrise. I want to catch sunrise every morning. Like that's a good thing for me.

• 1:02:00Cameron Hanes?

  What time do you go to bed? Early?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  It depends. Some nights I sleep like five hours. Some nights I get seven. Some nights I get three. Like it just, it just depends, you know? So, yeah. And just catching that sunrise means a lot to me. It's like taking a hit of cocaine for me. You know, like it's like I, when I see that shit, I just smile. I'm like, this is what, this is what it's all about right here. And then I'm like, let me just, let me go suffer and let me go suffer and sweat right now and catch the sunrise.

• 1:02:25Cameron Hanes?

  I love it.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  You know, your brother, me and your brother talk a lot. He's great too. I think we got a lot of respect for each other and he respects the sobriety and he's a badass as well.

• 1:02:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's tough. He is tough. He's been through a lot also.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can see that. He's one of the rare accounts that I read every caption he writes. I told him that the other day. I was like, yo. You can post a photo of your foot, but I read your caption and it's great every time. His words are great and I love it. And anyways, back to the training. I usually straight train six to seven days a week as well.

• 1:02:56Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  And I usually, you mean you kind of have the same regimen. I usually saw it on plunge. And then this machine called the P M P M F. It's like, dude, this thing like healed my knees. It's like this like electric pulse that comes out of this fucking expensive machine. I usually run it five minutes a day on each of my knees and literally here it all like healed all my tendonitis in my knees and.

• 1:03:19Cameron Hanes?

  What, what is it? Is it laser?

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  No, it's P E M F. Basically, I guess like cancer, cancer can't even live in the, in the, in the, uh, in the electric pulses and stuff. So people that have cancer, they'll like just run the machine on them. The guy that, the, the guy that I was going to to use it for a while, he said his dad had like terminal brain cancer. He kept him alive for like another five and a half years. It's running this thing 15 minutes on his head day. Yeah.

• 1:03:39Cameron Hanes?

  And like, where do you put it? I mean, what is it like?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  This big machine and some of them are stronger than others. Like some machines can be like 50, 60 K. Some could be like 15, 20 K. Like, you know, you just like, it just depends. So like, there's a machine at my house at this cryo spot in Studio City that they have like a really expensive one.

• 1:03:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  And I literally was having, I couldn't get a hold of a nice machine. Sometimes I've been trying to buy one for the house. And I literally posted my story and my boy was like, yo, why don't you come up here? We have like the most expensive machine and I ran it before Moab and I had no issues. And I, I was, my knees were dying before the race and I was like, I'm gonna have to deal with this. Remember my knee issues when we raced?

• 1:04:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  I had the knee braces on and I told Sally to go use it too. And she was going to a spot in Newport that Max goes to.

• 1:04:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  And I think it helped her too.

• 1:04:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nice. Huh. Yeah. You know, when I was at Travis Barker's, he's got like this chair you sit in and it's got something.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Is it pulsing?

• 1:04:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  Okay. It's probably the P.

• 1:04:34Cameron Hanes?

  Is it the same thing?

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause there's, there's like mats and then you can run rings and all this stuff. So he probably has.

• 1:04:39Cameron Hanes?

  The whole, it's a whole chair.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. I guarantee he has it.

• 1:04:41Cameron Hanes?

  And then, then I put on like a mask or something or. Yeah, it seems like I put on a headset also, but anyway, it seems like it's the same thing.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  Was it like pulsing, like, like, like, like jumping, like you're kind of your body like, was there different levels that you could like kind of move it?

• 1:04:55Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, he set it all up.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, he probably has it. I, I mean, you know, this shit's helping people, you know, we're not going to see it in the hospitals.

• 1:05:02Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  So it's.

• 1:05:03Cameron Hanes?

  They're not looking to help people.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  So, you know, um, you can get on like on Alibaba, like for a couple of grand. I was, I'm probably going to buy one. They use it on horses as well too, to like help the horses. But, um, P E M F, as I always tell people, every time I get messages about like knee problems or this, I'm like, dude, or shoulders, shoulders and knee. Like, yeah, people are like, yo, my shoulder this, and then they were like, yo, dude, thank you so much. Like this thing healed me. Really hard to explain.

• 1:05:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, that's, so that's cool. But, uh, what else were people wondering about in your questions?

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Oh, man, there was a bunch in there. Hold on, there was a, there was a.

• 1:05:37Cameron Hanes?

  Recovery, your diet, probably.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Oh, diet. I think diet was one of them. I screen, oh, here we go. We got, got them all here. Um.

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Uh, dating relationship. How, oh, how's it changed from vegan to eating meat? I was vegan for like seven years.

• 1:05:50Cameron Hanes?

  Were you?

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  An idiot I was.

• 1:05:51Cameron Hanes?

  Why?

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Cameron Hanes?

  You like to be weak?

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 1:05:54Cameron Hanes?

  You like to be weak?

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's what happened when you did date like an animal activist for four years and then it, it, uh, it kind of grew on me.

• 1:06:01Cameron Hanes?

  I hope she was hot.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  She was fire.

• 1:06:03Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's part, she's a, she's a, she's a big part of my book. She's like 50% of my book. So anyways, that's all done with, but, um, yeah, no. Dude, eating meat changed the game for me.

• 1:06:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Now I'm about two years into it and that's all I eat now. So I think I was scammed for seven years.

• 1:06:20Cameron Hanes?

  Well, now you got to get Andy fixed. Uh, I need to give him some elk.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Andy, yeah, Andy's next. I told him all the, yo, bro, you.

• 1:06:26Cameron Hanes?

  I'll give him some elk meat when he comes.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  What's training like? Here we go. Uh, what do you do to make money? We talked about that. Your diet, um. Current reading list. Talk about your mindset. Talk more about Goggins and Moab. We talked about that. Crypto, that sounds crazy.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Well, you do the lift run shoot with Cam. Yeah, I'm a little upset, guys. This guy didn't want to run when I got here. No, he had shit to do.

• 1:06:51Cameron Hanes?

  We will do the lift run shoot though.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  I'll have to come back for that.

• 1:06:54Cameron Hanes?

  I wanted to just, mostly I wanted to get you right on the heels of Moab and with the whole Goggins experience and I wanted to talk about that. So we did that, but we'll also do a lift run shoot because I still got to get Max here. We didn't do one with, I didn't do one with him either.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  You guys ran to Pisgah.

• 1:07:10Cameron Hanes?

  We did a run, but we didn't, we didn't shoot bows or lift weights.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:07:14Cameron Hanes?

  So all we did was like.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  We can still lift weights. Have you lifted already?

• 1:07:18Cameron Hanes?

  I lifted, yeah.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  Damn, man. This guy played me. I, I had, I had people riding me when I got in to come. What's, what's the gym over here? That's like five minutes from your house that your daughter-in-law works out at? Do you know?

• 1:07:28Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, Lane 5. Is that, is it Lane 5 CrossFit? Or is it? No, it's TreeLine.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:07:34Cameron Hanes?

  TreeLine.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Some dude DM'd me and was like, yo, come in, like, we'd love to have you in here. And then I was like, I don't want to work out before I go see Cam because if he has anything lined up to work out. And I kept asking, is it Rihanna? Rihanna?

• 1:07:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then she's like, I don't know what he's going to want to do. I had some weird feeling that we weren't going to do it because you were, had already been busy and I felt like I would have came here maybe at three or something.

• 1:07:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, definitely.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  And then I was like, because if we went to work out, then we would have been recording this like at 7:30.

• 1:07:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  You might have been going, you might have fallen asleep on me, man.

• 1:08:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, at my age, dude. I mean, it's almost, it's my bedtime right now.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  I got people saying, tell, tell Cam I said what up. He's got no idea who I am.

• 1:08:12Cameron Hanes?

  What's up?

• 1:08:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I get, I bet, I get a bunch of crazy messages, dude.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, we both do. It's, it's not, I still, I think I have about 5,000 DMs. I'm trying, I try to get back to everybody.

• 1:08:23Cameron Hanes?

  I saw you put that up there. You're trying to answer all of them?

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know what, dude?

• 1:08:28Cameron Hanes?

  Not the hidden ones.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  No, everything.

• 1:08:30Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll go through them all. I actually hit the hidden and the, and the request first because they're ones that haven't opened. And then now I'm in the general and there's thousands in there. And like, I've been like, every day that I'm like walking on the incline treadmill, I'll get like at least three to 500 done. And then I get like, I'm like.

• 1:08:46Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's a way to connect with the people that are supporting me. So that's the way like, I feel like, yeah, and I try, I try so. Hard, even if it's just harding it or whatever it is like some sort of reaction, but I'm like hoping they DM me again because it'll come to the top.

• 1:09:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Those ones I'm seeing and now I'm like, I'm gonna scroll back like six, seven days now, but I'm, I'm gonna do it. Trying to do on this flight, this wifi was shit on the way here. So that wasn't happening.

• 1:09:09Cameron Hanes?

  And you gotta, well, and you gotta fly out early in the morning, you said.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Five AM to go see our buddy Andy.

• 1:09:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  What happened to you? You didn't do the podcast with Bradley Martyn, huh?

• 1:09:18Cameron Hanes?

  No, I haven't. God, we need to. Cause you did his.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:22Cameron Hanes?

  I think I was, cause I was down there. I don't know what I was, oh, I took my other truck and gave it to the guy at Griffin Park there. We met at the Griffin Observatory.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Cameron Hanes?

  And I ran with, with Travis when I was there and I was gonna do it on that, that trip or something and uh, oh, cause I was supposed to do Rich Rolls and do you know Alexi Papa's?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's always with Rich Roll. I feel like that's how I know where I was here.

• 1:09:45Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I think their studio is the same place or.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:49Cameron Hanes?

  So they, they do it.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  He's like in Malibu or like a Calabasas area, something like that.

• 1:09:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So she, I think I'm taking her on the deer hunt.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Oh, dope.

• 1:09:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  How did you have that coming about? Are you guys friends?

• 1:09:59Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  Oh, he was telling you that you should?

• 1:10:01Cameron Hanes?

  No, uh, I was just DM'd Alexi.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:10:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. So anyway, she's, but anyway, uh, I was supposed to do their, and I didn't do any of that. So I was gonna do Bradley's, theirs, and I, I don't know what happened.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  You might have to take. When we were bear hunting?

• 1:10:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, oh shit. That's what it was. So I was in Alberta and I was trying to kill this giant bear and I, it, I could not get him killed.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Is this like when you were gone for a while and every day you kept like?

• 1:10:30Cameron Hanes?

  I was supposed to be there five days and I was there like it took nine. And so I canceled all those podcasts.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Oh, no way.

• 1:10:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause I remember talking to Rihanna at that time and I was just like.

• 1:10:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  And I saw you hunting and I'm like, oh yeah, this guy's not doing shit. Cause she kept saying like, oh, can you come at this time? I was like, no, I can't. And then she's like, well, why don't you just come at this time? So you guys can talk about, uh, Leadville. Well, I didn't end up doing Leadville, but.

• 1:10:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Had to take care of some other shit, but um.

• 1:10:52Cameron Hanes?

  Were you gonna do Leadville?

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was in it. Yeah. I just had to take care of some other shit. So like it just didn't happen and um.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  She was like, oh, you guys, you should come on the podcast after that to talk about Bill. It just didn't work out for me on timing and um then and then it was like a dead zone. I was like, damn, I'm gonna miss this opportunity. I gotta stay on her.

• 1:11:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  And then I knew, I knew when we were in Moab and I put up that video, I'm like, Dak, I was like, I'm gonna be on this podcast next week or something. I knew you were gonna be fired up over that.

• 1:11:20Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Like, I was like, cuz I see the shit that you post and when you repost his shit, I'm like, oh, yeah. And I got, I got a good, I got a good eye and brain and I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's gonna be fired up on this video right here.

• 1:11:31Cameron Hanes?

  It was, it was perfect.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Out of the blue when you saw it too, you're like, what the?

• 1:11:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was perfect timing, dude. It was, it was so good, but this is just good for me this time cuz I'm in between. You know, I'm home and I've like got a couple of days and I was actually, this is, I've been looking forward to this like this whole time.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  What, this talk?

• 1:11:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just having you here.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  I didn't know. I thought I was like on you, like, I'll just bring them on.

• 1:11:51Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, shit, no, dude. I've, I've been fired up just because your story is so much to it. It's insane.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  There's a lot to it, dude.

• 1:12:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  It's, it's one of a kind. There's definitely, I don't think there's one other person with this story. It's just so bizarre.

• 1:12:05Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's, it's a lot, but uh, um, what's your goals? So like, you're just to keep kicking ass, keep running ultras or what's your, what's your?

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  Bradley are actually gonna start a pretty big run club. We're gonna get this big ass running here soon and uh, you know, between the both of us, we have a lot of pool and um, we think we could turn into something big and we just kinda met up and talked about it. So that's one thing on the plate. Um.

• 1:12:27Cameron Hanes?

  Well, he needs to start running. That'd be one thing.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Well, his big ass, yeah, I, I just need him to run three miles.

• 1:12:33Cameron Hanes?

  I know he's two sixty cuz he says he's two sixty all the time.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Somebody wrote me and said, yo, has Bradley, someone's question was, has Bradley started his runs yet? Because on his podcast, he's like, yo, we're gonna go run right after this. You know damn well, he didn't go run after this yet. So uh, but now he, he needs to. So like, we don't, I mean, he just needs to be able to run a slow three miles. Like, that's it. It's not hard.

• 1:12:52Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, he can do that.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  I remember like, he's like, yo, I tried to get on the treadmill, bro. Like, this, this is, this is not easy, dude, you know? And when people don't run at all.

• 1:13:01Cameron Hanes?

  Even a mile.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  It's, it's tough.

• 1:13:03Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, a mile seems like so far if you haven't run.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:08Cameron Hanes?

  But it goes quick. I mean, you, you, your body adapts.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  Well. You know what it is. Like even if we gotta go do a 10 mile run, usually like first six miles suck. Like it doesn't go by fast. I'm thinking about shit. If I have problems, your foot's broken, you're thinking about that. And then like you get in this, I hit like mile seven, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm good now, you know, but they don't even get to that point to feel that feeling.

• 1:13:31Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  So they were like, oh, I have no idea how you're running.

• 1:13:33Cameron Hanes?

  Going the whole way.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there was like, I have no idea how you run this far. And I'm like, well, you haven't got past the three mile mark to realize that it gets better. Once you get past all those miles. So it's, I, I, I don't remember getting going to run any day and feeling good for the first three miles.

• 1:13:47Cameron Hanes?

  Right. No.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  It's like, almost like why I don't feel like doing this shit. And then I get out there and I'm just grinding and I feel good. But yeah, that's on the plate. Um, just gonna keep kicking ass and just kind of see where life takes me. And um, that's just kind of how, that's how I did it in nightlife too. And I was like, whoa. What's your five year plan? Well, my five year plans, I'm gonna just wake up and see what the vibes are, dude, you know?

• 1:14:07Cameron Hanes?

  Well, Travis's run club is going crazy.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  Big dude.

• 1:14:11Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, he has so many people. It's, people are just ready for it, you know, they're ready to make a positive change. I think people are, they want to get out of the clubs. They want to get like just healthier living. It's just kind of, it's kind of a cool thing now, running.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's like, it's a, it's a community, man. And like, I think people are like looking for ways to connect, like outside of drinking and outside of the club and like, you know, LA's turned into like a full like, I don't know, it's like a joke. I, it's just like tons of hot girls and people just showing up to meet chicks and whatever. At least they're going to go do something good, you know?

• 1:14:43Cameron Hanes?

  Whatever it takes.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. I never, I never really do group stuff at all. And I was like, could me and Andy are kind of the same. We're just kind of lone soldiers, but like me and him get along so well. So when we're together, like 30 miles will go by in like five minutes because we're just talking.

• 1:14:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  About the same shit over and over again. And we'll just laugh. And I'm like, dude, where the hell did the time go? Actually, you know, you got a brother out there, you know?

• 1:15:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Other than that, like, I don't ever show up to like run clubs or anything like that, but I do need to host them. Cause I realize like every time we go to these races, it's like. People are stopping left and right for photos and like this and that. I don't realize I have this big of an impact. And I'm like, damn, I need to start, I need to like utilize this.

• 1:15:19Cameron Hanes?

  You do.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  And we did like a little, uh, Andy's like, yo, I'm post story right now. Like you want to do like a little run club before the race tomorrow? Or like, yeah, I was like, all right, he's like, no one shows up, then we just run. And a lot of people showed up.

• 1:15:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, of course. Yeah. People, people love being inspired.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, if you can, I always say like, um, and this has happened over time before I used to work out to, to Bohan. People would be like, why are you doing that? That's stupid. But then once you like, can inspire people to make a positive change in their life, they never forget that, dude. They are like ride or die forever. Because you made, you impacted them positively. You know, it's not, it's not something like you go out party and the next day you feel like shit. And you're like, God, why did I go out with that guy?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:16:08Cameron Hanes?

  This is like the opposite. This is like every time I'm around that guy, I feel great. I feel, I, I do something healthy. My body feels better. And it's just like, once you have that impact on people, you have them forever.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Forever.

• 1:16:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Cameron Hanes?

  You got that bond.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  This dude came, um, to the club and he's all tatted up and he's kind of, he lives in LA too. And he, uh, we just talked for a while and I don't even fully remember the full conversation stuff. And then, uh, we saw him walking when we were going to the check in. I told him to jump in the van with me and Andy. And, uh, he wrote me after the race was like, yo, do I listen to your book? This shit honestly, like I'm going sober after this and like, thank you for taking the time to talk to me and give me advice. And you can, you can see a bunch of shit on the internet, make an assumption of somebody, but you're the most genuine person I've met. And this, this, this like means the world to me.

• 1:16:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  And that shit hit home. I like reposted that shit, you know, like.

• 1:16:59Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, that's that one person, if you can impact one person like that, how amazing is that?

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  It feels good, man. This is like a, you know, like when I was in nightlife, everyone, oh, you're the man. You got all these girls and this and that. It never felt good. And like, when I get messages about my book changing their life or people getting sober, or like just it, it hits dude. Like it just hits where I'm like, this, this is where I'm supposed to be.

• 1:17:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  This is where I was always supposed to be.

• 1:17:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, definitely. No, and who, who knows? Maybe you would have never got here and you'd have lived this life of whatever, whatever that was. But you're here and this is where you're supposed to be and this is what you're supposed to be doing. And it's just like, must feel so empowering. It's a. I mean, I don't know. It's a do you do you have any like anything in faith like as far as I see that cross on your check on your neck there. Is that a cross?

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  It's a sword.

• 1:17:50Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, a sword.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what? I know. You're a big faith guy. Yeah?

• 1:17:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I believe in some sort of higher power.

• 1:17:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  I would. I wouldn't say I'm super religious and I think like my mom is like hardcore and she just uh everything I said I'd never be has ended up coming to light. So she's always like, I just know one day, you know, I just know one day and I and I and I and like, I don't ever say like, no, I was like, I'm never gonna, I'm never gonna not say never because it seems like everything that I said I would never be doing, I ended up doing. Like I used to talk shit to my dad all the time for wearing like small shorts all the time.

• 1:18:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  And I'm like, Dad, why do you wear those small shorts? And now when I get to the house, my mom's like, your shorts are smaller than his now.

• 1:18:28Cameron Hanes?

  Did he have good legs or what?

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. He has runner's legs. Yeah. He was a straight runner. He didn't lift at all or anything. He just had runner's legs and uh, yeah, but um, yeah, it's funny. A lot of my friends that are hardcore into faith, I'm I'm close to a lot of people that are just in that realm and they always like, yeah, it's coming for you.

• 1:18:46Cameron Hanes?

  I see Travis and Courtney are putting that up quite a bit lately.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  He wasn't too hardcore about that before, huh?

• 1:18:52Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think so.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  You think it was because of eating Courtney kind of grew on him with it?

• 1:18:55Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I don't know where it started, but I just, I just have noticed that. And it's like, I just, you know, we'll send little messages or whatever. And it's just cool because I it's it's cool because well, it's a big deal, but it's also positive. It's good. It's good to have something bigger than ourselves, you know, to

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:19:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So it's it's um, yeah, and it's it's important. But anyway, I was just curious about that.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  Were you always?

• 1:19:21Cameron Hanes?

  No, I mean,

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  When did you start up for you?

• 1:19:23Cameron Hanes?

  We used to have to go to church like just because we had to, you know, as kids and we'd go and just, you know, not even hardly pay attention. But it's it's mostly my wife. I mean, my wife is, you know, she has me. She'll put out the Bible for me every morning. I got to read two chapters, right? So it's like, she's and I go to church and I because it's like, I want to, I want to, I want to like have this unwavering faith. And sometimes I really, I feel like I I do. And then some days I'm just like, I don't and I just want to have it all the time and so but it's like it's a you know it's a journey and yeah so I just I'm trying she's I wish I was as strong as she was but she helps yeah

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  That's awesome, man. I think I'm always open to anything. So like I feel like if the time's gonna come, it's gonna come when it's supposed to come.

• 1:20:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I was just I was just curious. Just because you've made so many positive changes.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:19Cameron Hanes?

  Usually people they get there too.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  All into faith, yeah. Um, yeah, it's a definitely a definitely open minded thing for me. Everything's open minded for me. I'm never like closed off to anything. I think two years ago, if I would have saw you hunting, I would hated you. And now I'm like thinking to myself, damn, I kinda wanna like, I wanna go hunting with this dude. You know what I'm saying? Like, because I was vegan at that time. And now I'm like, I think the way that you're doing things is better than getting the meat from the stores. But people don't, they don't understand that. They think you're just out there to kill, but you're taking the shit with you. You're packing it up and you're eating it. You're giving it out to people and it's great. I always have to, I always explain that to people. I'm like, oh, is that the guy that hunts? I'm like, yeah, but like, this is what he does, you know? Because I was, I was close minded at one time with it. I would see it. I would be like, oh, it's just up, you know? But now I don't see it that way.

• 1:21:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's just, it's really hard for people that haven't grown up around it. Like, if you're in the cities, you're used to going, you get a burger and you're not even thinking about that was a cow.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Chopped up in a machine.

• 1:21:16Cameron Hanes?

  Somebody killed. You know, it's just like, no, hey, let's go get burgers or let's get a steak or let's get whatever. And you're not thinking about that it's an animal dying where we show the animal and it's like, I just killed it. And it's just, yeah, it's, that's what you did too, but you just paid somebody else to do it. And we just do it ourselves. But I understand it's it's really

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  They don't see it, though. They can't, they're not, they're not, they're not comprehending it.

• 1:21:40Cameron Hanes?

  No, the connection, yeah, the, they don't, it's a disconnect for sure. But I don't, I don't like watching animals die. I do it. This is what I do. This is how I feed my family. But I don't enjoy it. It's just like death isn't something to enjoy, you know, but it's part of the process. That's all. I just heard it explained that part of it and just kinda honor, you know, and respect the animals and, and the process. But I understand if you haven't been around it, that doesn't make sense.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  No, I get it. I mean, I understand it now.

• 1:22:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, maybe we'll go hunting.

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, all right. Where are we going?

• 1:22:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. Well, how did, uh, how did the podcast with Andy come up?

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Forcilla?

• 1:22:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Oh, um.

• 1:22:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, sorry, Forcilla. We were talking about-

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  He was writing me over some product that I, uh, I wasn't, you know, cause you know, I, they sponsor me and I was telling him I just didn't like something with the product. He's like, come on, bro.

• 1:22:33Cameron Hanes?

  So First Form sponsored you?

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  They, they, they do me well.

• 1:22:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, good.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They like, you know, they take care of me well. They, they take care of all my, like, my races and trips and everything. Yeah, yeah. Andy loves me.

• 1:22:44Cameron Hanes?

  I love, I love Andy.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. He was like, I remember, he kept writing me and being like, yo, when are we gonna get you on the team, dude? And I'm like, I, I don't wanna do a deal with your team. Like, if me and you are gonna do it. So he's like, alright, what do you wanna get paid? What do you want this? Alright, done. Get on the phone. He's like, everything's taken care of. Just talk to my, my right-hand guy. And he's like, I don't ever get involved with athletes. I just like you a lot. So like, and that's where it was. And like that, it was done. And I think I told his right-hand that I wasn't with one of the products and that like, we should come out with like, align with bars and shelves that like, really align with like, athletes and stuff like that. He was down with it. And then I said, hey, I'm gonna go do Ken's podcast on Monday. I think I'm gonna come to the headquarters on Tuesday.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  And he goes, this Tuesday? I was like, yeah. He's like, oh. I was like, well, you guys, are you guys doing the pod this week? I wasn't asking him to do the pod. I was just, I was wondering if he was gonna be busy or not. He goes, yeah, why don't you just jump on? I was like, oh, fuck it then. Let's just, let's run it back. And he was, he wrote me after the Goggins thing. He's like, yo, how was David? He's like, he's like, I've known that guy for a long time. He's like, you really inspire me, man. Like, I don't think you understand, like, what you do is badass. So.

• 1:23:43Cameron Hanes?

  Are you sure you didn't like, have a little, little thought of being on the pod?

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  With Andy?

• 1:23:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Um, well, I had just done it a couple of months ago.

• 1:23:51Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you did?

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did it a couple of months ago. That, it was, it was dope.

• 1:23:55Cameron Hanes?

  I need to catch up on his. I, I love, I-

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  I told you, you should go. I was telling him when you were doing a little tour, I wrote you and I was like, why don't you go back? Why don't you go on Andy's?

• 1:24:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I, I listen, every-

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  He's got a big pod.

• 1:24:05Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Sometimes I like, listen to everyone and then I kinda forget. And then I'm like, listening to other ones and I'm like, oh, I forgot to check on Andy, you know, to see what's, what Andy's doing. But I love it. I love his-

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:18Cameron Hanes?

  He does a great job.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  He's, he knows how to talk. He's a smart mother-

• 1:24:21Cameron Hanes?

  And I like, uh, is it Sal, right? His brother?

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Sal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. No, I let the, that whole, that whole crew, I mean, you go back there and it is.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  You been to the headquarters?

• 1:24:33Cameron Hanes?

  The gym. Have you been there?

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Disneyland, bro.

• 1:24:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, the, the, I just, the gym is like, perfect. And he said, like, if you don't put the weights back perfect, you're out of there.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  He basically like, everything's lined up. Like if the logos aren't lined up, and then if you like wash your hands and water's on the sink, the guys will like, you'll just see them wipe it. Everything's not clean. I go, why do you guys do that? He's like, well, I think they need to treat this place like they treat their house. And if they don't want to, then we just duck shit off their checks.

• 1:24:57Cameron Hanes?

  That's it.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  And they're like, hard, like dude, the place is spotless. You been there?

• 1:25:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  How long those events, you been there?

• 1:25:03Cameron Hanes?

  Um, it was when my, I think Endure came out, so.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Oh, you were doing like little tour, doing podcasts?

• 1:25:08Cameron Hanes?

  Three years or so.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. That place is, it's so nice.

• 1:25:12Cameron Hanes?

  It's amazing. But I think at that time, they're building across the street.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  They have like two other buildings now that are insane as well.

• 1:25:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a, he's doing okay for himself, bro. Did he take you to his house?

• 1:25:23Cameron Hanes?

  No, but the cars he's got are nuts.

• 1:25:26Speaker 01

  His staff was like, he doesn't take anybody over there. He's got a like you. And he took me over there and he's like, don't post all my cars at once.

• 1:25:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Oh, man.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:25:34Cameron Hanes?

  Are you a car guy?

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like cars. I think like, uh, being around Hollywood and, and being around a lot of rich, you just, you just tend to like, it's just, it's almost like just tying my shoe at this point. Like I like, I like them, right? Like, I like like old schools. I like, you know, the sixty nine Chevilles and like, so he had like a whole collection of those. And like, he had all these crazy, couple million dollar cars in there. I just went straight to the old schools. You know, like that's.

• 1:26:00Cameron Hanes?

  Joe likes those too.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:01Cameron Hanes?

  Joe's a car guy.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:03Cameron Hanes?

  And he's got the old stuff, like.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  With Joe, who are we talking about?

• 1:26:05Cameron Hanes?

  Rogan.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:07Cameron Hanes?

  No, he, he loves that.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  The old schools?

• 1:26:09Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, like, uh, John Wick cars.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they're badass.

• 1:26:13Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, my God. I, someday I'll have something like that.

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  You was, you got a bunch, I mean, you're living out here. You got the trucks, right?

• 1:26:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, the trucks.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  I think a Ford Raptor here is like having like a Bugatti in LA.

• 1:26:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What, what do you have now?

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  Me?

• 1:26:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  I drive a Land Rover Defender.

• 1:26:27Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  I love that car.

• 1:26:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  It's like, it's kind of like nice where I can still like, go to a dinner in LA and then I can just get rugged with it as well too. You know what it is?

• 1:26:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's cool. It's, that's, that's it. I'm always looking, I don't know, I was looking for something to give away. Like I do those giveaways.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  How does that work? You end up buying the car and doing the giveaway or like, or you work with the company?

• 1:26:49Cameron Hanes?

  Well, like Fox, they gave me that truck. Just because it helped them for marketing. But all these other ones I buy. I just, you know, do just sell stuff and if.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  How does the giveaway work?

• 1:27:03Cameron Hanes?

  It's normally for for every dollar you spend, you get a point.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Dollar you spend with what?

• 1:27:11Cameron Hanes?

  Like, like these shorts or my T shirts, hats, hoodies.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  I was gonna get some like.

• 1:27:17Cameron Hanes?

  I'll hook you up.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  With the the Gucci shit. Is this? Yeah, yeah. I love that shit. When you posted that, I'm like, oh, my, my boy's a little bougie. I actually like when I see you wearing them, well, that shit's fire, actually.

• 1:27:30Cameron Hanes?

  We get done here. Yeah, no, I when I did that two bears five K, do you remember that that Burt?

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  When was that?

• 1:27:37Cameron Hanes?

  I was, when was that two years ago?

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  We just do me and you just started following each other.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  We just started following each other last year.

• 1:27:46Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, well, this is Burt and Tom Segura. They did the two bears five K. Travis ran it, but it was at the Rose Bowl there. So I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna go run this, I gotta go down to where did I go? Rodeo? And to Gucci there, tried to buy the cheapest shit they had, which that's impossible, but it spent like four thousand bucks and I got this like a sweatsuit top and shorts and a tank top. That's all I got. But anyway, I was like, hey, if I'm in LA, I'm running a Gucci.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  You ran the whole race in the Gucci? Yeah, that's badass. And that is that what gave you the idea to make your own?

• 1:28:18Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, I just, you know, I've always had like, when I go to the fights, I usually wear nice, like either Gucci or something this like.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  You just gotta wear your shit there.

• 1:28:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just a button up shirt.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  People like in LA, like the people that come like fully diced out and like designer shit are just cornballs. Like, we just don't give a shit. It's like.

• 1:28:37Cameron Hanes?

  Like the matching sweatsuit.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy. It's always like, like, it's either like, like the, like, like the trappers or like, you know, like every time you see, like every time I'm like. All these guys, all the, it's usually like the weed guys. And they're just fully like head to toe and like Louis Vuitton and they got like fifteen necklaces on. They're like, oh, I got robbed. I'm like, man, no shit. What are we talking about dude? You've got like 500K jewelry on, you're like head to toe in designer. I'm like, you can't, dude, LA was getting murked everywhere for a while. I got robbed at one point. So like, I left to go visit my girlfriend at that time and someone broke it. Had it been set up. So,

• 1:29:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  You know, shit happens.

• 1:29:13Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's a, I know. I see people with like this, like not Gucci, but I can't remember what, what, but it's shoes, socks, sweatpants, sweat top, hat, like, it's like, what are you doing? Come on. So I just wear like a nice shirt with jeans and boots.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  I call that, uh, the broke people impressing other broke people.

• 1:29:32Cameron Hanes?

  Is that, oh, that?

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  No, no, no, not you. No, no, no. Yeah. You're not, you're not, you're doing, you're, you're doing a one, you're doing a little five K. And it's like a little cool statement, you know?

• 1:29:40Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Yeah, no, that was, that was fun.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  You're not the broke people impressing the broke people, bro.

• 1:29:44Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's all good, but I'll, I'll hook you, I'll hook you up with the Gucci.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  I want, I want the, I want the Cameron Hanes, the, the Gucci Haynes.

• 1:29:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 1:29:54Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely worked.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  I see you running up on the mound with the, with like the logos. I was like, I'm wearing Gucci right now. And then I see the, the CH logos in there. And I'm like, oh, that's kind of fire.

• 1:30:02Cameron Hanes?

  Oh shit, I need to get, I think I have some of those Gucci shorts.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Those shorts are fire.

• 1:30:06Cameron Hanes?

  They are.

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are some statements.

• 1:30:09Cameron Hanes?

  They are sweet, dude.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Might have to make some, um, some EW's, dude. And we're just gonna, we gotta go matching, you know?

• 1:30:14Cameron Hanes?

  Let's do it. Let's do it.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  You gotta get, you gotta get with your guy.

• 1:30:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So that's, that's, I use the trucks to, to sell, basically sell merch. Sometimes I don't even care about making money. I just like giving shit away. Um, so that, that's been fun. But a point is, is like, I was looking, I was gonna get a, uh, I think it was a Hummer three pickup and they only sell them in electric. I'm like,

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Oh, the new ones.

• 1:30:39Cameron Hanes?

  Electric.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, electric.

• 1:30:40Cameron Hanes?

  No, electric pickup? I mean, I'm supposed to be hunting in this? This shit's gonna go dead when it's sitting out there? No.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Not happening.

• 1:30:48Cameron Hanes?

  I said, you can't get diesel in this thing? They said, no. So I got, that's what I got, that new, uh, Denali out there.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  We like that. Hey, uh, Andy, we gotta drop the, uh, vegan diet and the Tesla. Okay?

• 1:30:59Cameron Hanes?

  Tesla, oh man, he's all.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  He almost got the Tesla truck too. I was giving him shit about it. And he's got the, he's got the, uh, he's got the Android as well. He says the iPhone is garbage. Are you on the iPhone or the Android?

• 1:31:08Cameron Hanes?

  iPhone, baby.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah. He says that we're, uh, we're behind in time.

• 1:31:12Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, he's got the green, the green box.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  He's got the green box sex, bro. It's crazy.

• 1:31:16Cameron Hanes?

  For poor people.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's gonna have a lot to say to this.

• 1:31:20Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  He's gonna have a lot to say to this. Unfortunately, that Android is it's a little nicer than our phones, but we can't let them know that.

• 1:31:26Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  It's got a good camera on it. He's when we get our new camera, like our camera's nice. Like, bro, we had that five years ago on our phone.

• 1:31:32Cameron Hanes?

  Is that, is that the, what is that?

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  That's a new one.

• 1:31:34Cameron Hanes?

  Is that the seventeen?

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  You on the sixteen?

• 1:31:37Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know what it is. I think it's a or sixteen or fifteen.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all right.

• 1:31:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that works still?

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  It works, bro.

• 1:31:42Cameron Hanes?

  How is the seventeen?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  It's not. Actually, it's the first time where I was like, all right. I'm OK with paying for it.

• 1:31:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Like, it's can smooth and the and the camera's really can nice. Like, you can you can be hunting and hit the eight X and you can like full, like, it's like and crisp.

• 1:31:58Cameron Hanes?

  Nice.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  At the eight X, it's pretty crazy. You would have got that if you would, you would have had that phone when you're getting that bear, you'd have been done in five days. It went out taking it in the nine.

• 1:32:06Cameron Hanes?

  OK, well, I I guess I need to make.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  I sold it for you, huh?

• 1:32:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  I'm working with Apple.

• 1:32:11Cameron Hanes?

  So, uh, so what? You got it? You got a girlfriend now?

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:15Cameron Hanes?

  How's that? Oh.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  It's good, man. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, no, it's good.

• 1:32:17Cameron Hanes?

  That seemed like.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm used to being on my own, man. No, but it's good. Everything's going good, man.

• 1:32:22Cameron Hanes?

  OK, OK. I didn't know. I didn't know if that was like the why we're starting the Run Club. You know, to like meet people.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  Oh, no. Uh, no, me and Bradley were just like talking business and being like, yo, we should start a Run Club. He's like, yo, let's just go fifty fifty on this whole thing like, um. You know, it's not going to be a problem getting the people here. I just need we need someone like you that's going to be in like the running community. Because like my big ass isn't running. So but it's cool because we're going to bring his side of people out and I'll bring his side people. I'll try to probably get Andy involved too, because he's got a like whole community. Yeah, it's like.

• 1:32:54Cameron Hanes?

  Following.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  You know, he he does a lot for me in the running community. I feel like he's put me a lot on a lot as well, too. Like, everything I do, he reposts, like everything, everything I do, he's like, just repost, redo. Like, he's like, forced me to make a TikTok the other day and like, all the videos are going viral and I don't even have ten thousand followers yet. And he's like, yo, dude, whatever you do, I love you. I will just just just listen to me and I will help you with it.

• 1:33:17Cameron Hanes?

  He's your boy.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it. I was like, yo, you don't need to. He's like, he's like, you're my friend, bro. And he's like, it's hard to come across friends like this. Trail husband.

• 1:33:24Cameron Hanes?

  So how

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Don't be, don't, don't be trying to text him without going through me first, man.

• 1:33:28Cameron Hanes?

  Why, why are you texting my trail husband?

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Why are you on the green text of my boy?

• 1:33:33Cameron Hanes?

  Well, how, how's Bradley? I've never met him.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  He's great, man. I've known Bradley for a long time. When he rallied, we had like 500 followers on Instagram. He was running like a, a meal prep company.

• 1:33:43Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  And that's how we met. I was like in 2015 and then he blew up. I feel like, like the meathead industry wasn't like a big deal back then. And now it's like a big deal to be like a meathead and big on the internet. And like it, it's, it's like a cool thing now.

• 1:33:58Cameron Hanes?

  He's done a good job as far as like I'm 260, you know, it's like that whole thing. He's like, do you think you could beat me in a fight? Like to Diaz and shit like that.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's a, he's a good dude. We were just actually talking right now before this and we, uh, we didn't, you know, I, I like, when I went through all the shit that I went through, I didn't talk to a lot of people for a long time. And then we just kind of, they all stayed, stayed following me on Instagram. I stayed following them. So they're kind of watching the progress. And then we all kind of, kind of, kind of came back together.

• 1:34:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, good, good.

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  And he's always, he's always been a real one. He's a good dude.

• 1:34:26Cameron Hanes?

  Good. Well, I need to, yeah, I want to do his podcast at some point.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Either get him to come to you or you to come to him, right?

• 1:34:32Cameron Hanes?

  I'm going to go back down. I'm doing riches and Alexi's, uh, God, come, I think next month.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Oh, that's soon. So yeah, let's knock it out. He's in Encino.

• 1:34:41Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Yeah. Good deal. Well, um, yeah. Uh, who's the like? Last question. Who's the coolest celebrity that you ever have hung out with there at the, because of the club, met him and like, you know, celebrities always get a bad rap. But there's got to be some good ones.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Who'd I like the most? Um, it was an athlete, someone I became close with is Kyrie Irving.

• 1:35:04Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, really?

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Best dude ever.

• 1:35:06Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. We spent a lot of time together.

• 1:35:08Cameron Hanes?

  I like Kyrie.

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he's a smart dude.

• 1:35:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. He got kind of like, they were saying he was crazy. He was like,

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  Oh, he was right about everything.

• 1:35:15Cameron Hanes?

  No, he's, he's, he seems smart as shit to me.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  He wrote me a really dope message and we hadn't talked for a while when I dropped my book and he was just like, brother, like, I'm so proud of you. We're both out of this shit circle. Cause he used to come out and party too. And

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, we had a well, different kind of connection with that dude like even when we got when we partied together and hung out late. It was just like we would just disappear from all the girls and the people and the celebrities we were around. I mean, and we just go talk for a long time and we just talk about some crazy shit. Kind of like how he does on the internet and that's when I knew we were like we're brothers, you know, we got along. Um, I haven't seen him for a while, but yeah, you know, I'll see him pop in and like my posts or whatever when I'm doing stuff. And just kind of checking here and there on Instagram and that's it. But yeah, I mean, I knew everybody you kind of think of on top of your fucking head. But that dude was a, he was dope, man.

• 1:36:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's awesome. That's good to hear because I like him and he's a baller.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Baller.

• 1:36:09Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:12Cameron Hanes?

  He won that for the basically won that series for the Caps. I mean, with that big three.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 1:36:17Cameron Hanes?

  It's, I mean, just a dagger over there. I think he had forty one or I think him and LeBron both had forty one, maybe.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  What year was that? I was like.

• 1:36:24Cameron Hanes?

  Was it twenty fifteen?

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Twenty fifteen, sixteen, yeah.

• 1:36:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but he was, he is so good.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  What's funny is I loved playing sports, but never really watched them a ton. And then, once I was dealing with all these top athletes that were coming in that you can think of, I started watching it. Like I'd watch them when I was in high on Sunday or whatever the it was. And then I'd see them like the next that same night out.

• 1:36:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:48Speaker 01

  You know, they're like, yo, get me a table. Like, let's, let's, let's go hard tonight. You're like, you know, and he came out, he did his thing and still crushed. I was just like shocked. I was like, yo, this guy's fucking balling and coming out like this is nuts. And I like.

• 1:37:00Cameron Hanes?

  It's probably like Jordan, Jordan, I think, went out and did gambled mostly, but yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, some of these guys just figured it out on how to do it. And the other one just can go backwards, you know? It's just one of the two and it's just the way it goes.

• 1:37:13Cameron Hanes?

  I know. It's, it's tough to party and ball. I mean, that would be hard. I mean, you can, you can get some minutes, but to be a star.

• 1:37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:22Cameron Hanes?

  That's rough to.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. I want to state that, uh, this has probably been one of my favorite conversations with somebody because. Me and you, uh, we might not be exactly alike, but we think very alike and it's nice to sit with someone that's done a race with me and kind of understands all that stuff, but like I just felt like this energy between us right now, we're talking was just like, just cruise, cruise, cruise, cruise.

• 1:37:43Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, this has been, this is like almost two hours.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  No way.

• 1:37:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  I thought we were gone for like an hour.

• 1:37:49Cameron Hanes?

  I know, no, and, and yes, I feel the same. It's like, uh, easy to talk to, it's, uh, yeah, I'm super thankful that you came to Eugene and, uh, man, I'm, I'm just pumped that we had a chance to sit down and have a good conversation.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  I'm grateful you had me here.

• 1:38:03Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, I'm, I'm, I'm rooting for you, I'm on your side, I want you to win.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  Appreciate you, bro.

• 1:38:07Cameron Hanes?

  I want you to, I, yeah. Appreciate you too, brother.

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  Hell yeah, man.

• 1:38:11Cameron Hanes?

  All right, well, hope you guys enjoyed the conversation and, uh, follow Eli.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  It's the end, guys, just getting, we're gonna talk for another three hours.

• 1:38:18Cameron Hanes?

  We're, we're gonna, we're gonna make sure that we get the right angle on him.

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:22Cameron Hanes?

  All the reels are gonna be sick.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Can't be like throwing the camera under my face with double chins and stuff like, yo, raise that thing to the roof.

• 1:38:28Cameron Hanes?

  We got it, we got it. All right, brother, well, thank you and, uh, keep hammering, guys.

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  Hell yeah.