KPop Demon Hunters

The Netflix animated movie KPop Demon Hunters is a phenomenon, with a soundtrack that's climbing the Billboard charts, and a fandom rivaling that of just about any K-pop idol. The film is loads of fun, it's packed with some of the catchiest bangers you'll hear all summer. It's about a superstar girl group called HUNTR/X, who also keeps busy protecting humanity against an army of demons. Follow Pop Culture Happy Hour on Letterboxd at letterboxd.com/nprpopculture https://letterboxd.com/nprpopculture/ To access bonus episodes and sponsor-free listening for Pop Culture Happy Hour, subscribe to Pop Culture Happy Hour+ at plus.npr.org/happy. https://plus.npr.org/happy See pcm.adswizz.com https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. NPR Privacy Policy https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy

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• 0:22Stephen Thompson?

  The animated movie K-Pop Demon Hunters is a phenomenon with a soundtrack that's climbing the Billboard charts and a fandom rivaling that of just about any K-pop idol. All of which makes sense. The film is loads of fun and packed with some of the catchiest bangers you'll hear all summer. I'm Stephen Thompson. Today, we are talking about Netflix's K-Pop Demon Hunters on Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR.

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• 2:13Stephen Thompson?

  Joining me today is Regina Barber. She's a host and reporter for NPR's science podcast, Short Wave. Hey Regina.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  Hey Stephen, I'm so excited for this. You have no idea.

• 2:21Stephen Thompson?

  So glad to have you. Also with us is Jaeha Kim. She's a syndicated columnist whose work runs in the Chicago Tribune. Welcome, Jaeha.

• 2:29Speaker 04

  Thank you so much, Stephen. I can't wait to start talking about this movie.

• 2:32Stephen Thompson?

  It is a pleasure to have you both. So K-Pop Demon Hunters premiered on Netflix back in June. It arrived without much fanfare, but soon it wasn't just climbing the Netflix charts, it was also storming the Billboard Pop Charts. This week, it climbed to number two on the Albums Chart, almost entirely on the strength of its massive and still-growing streaming numbers. As for the plot of K-Pop Demon Hunters, you can probably guess quite a bit of it from the movie's title. There's a superstar girl group called Huntrix, whose members, Rumi, Mira, and Zoe, are played by Arden Cho, Mei Hong, and Ji Young Yu, respectively. Huntrix is one of the hottest K-pop groups around, but its members also

• 3:14Stephen Thompson?

  keep busy by protecting humanity against an army of demons led by a treacherous being called Gima. Soon Huntrix faces a new rival on the K-pop scene, a boy band called Saja Boys, whose members are all, you guessed it, demons. Of course, there are even more complicating factors than that, starting with the fact that Rumi from Huntrix is secretly half-demon herself, and that the leader of the Saja Boys, Jinu, played by An Hyo Sub, might have a few divided loyalties of his own. The singing voices in K-Pop Demon Hunters generally belong to ringers such as EJ, Audrey Nuna, Ray Ami, and Andrew Choi, and many of the songs have already become pop hits in their own right, like Golden.

• 4:03Stephen Thompson?

  K-Pop Demon Hunters was directed by Maggie Kang and Chris Appelhans. It's streaming on Netflix now. Regina Barber, I'm going to start with you. What'd you think of the movie?

• 4:12Speaker 03

  My daughter is into K-pop, and my partner was like, oh, have you seen this thing that's going to be on Netflix soon? Maybe we should just all sit and watch it. And we're sitting there and we're like, oh, this will be fun. We like cartoons. And then literally like minute 15 and a half or something, we're just like, what is this movie? We were like, loving it. The song, you know, Soda Pop, my daughter was like, song of the summer.

• 4:46Stephen Thompson?

  Literally the first time you hear it, you think that.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  You think that instantly. And you don't even need the visuals, but the visuals just like blow it like three times better, right?

• 4:55Speaker 04

  Literally.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Literally.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Abs, hello?

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Yes. At the end of it, we were all like, what was that movie that was so good? And at the end, I was work slacking, PCHH, Pop Culture Happy Hour. I'm like, we should cover this. Like, I loved it.

• 5:10Stephen Thompson?

  It's hard not to have that takeaway. I have to say, I paused it at the eight and a half minute mark to be like, wow, this goes so hard.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  It's so hard. I'm dressed up like Zoe right now. Like, for real.

• 5:24Speaker 04

  She really is. She looks exactly like her, to be honest.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  I do.

• 5:28Stephen Thompson?

  Yeah, this is gonna inform a lot of Halloween costumes in a good way. And we're gonna get to the soundtrack, but like, this album enters the song of the summer conversation in a big, big, big, big way. And I cannot overstate how welcome it is in that conversation in this particular crop of mostly dismal songs. Jae Ha Kim, what'd you think?

• 5:49Speaker 04

  I love this movie. I mean, I watched it because I had to for work because I was interviewing Arden Cho for an article. I was like Regina. After I watched it the first time, I watched it the second time. And then I was telling everybody about it. So then I watched it with them for a third time because, you know, you catch something that's different each time. And as somebody who covers a lot of K-pop, I was pretty amazed at how many things they got right. One of the things that I thought was exaggerated, it wasn't that there are demons, because hey, who amongst us doesn't have a little demon in us, right?

• 6:18Speaker 03

  We all have those thoughts. I love that part.

• 6:20Stephen Thompson?

  There are so many metaphors.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 6:22Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  But in the beginning, when the girls are sitting there on their airplane, and they're private jet, and they're eating all this food that looks like no K-pop artist would ever be allowed to eat, like, just picking out. And I love that for them because, you know, you hear so much about how much, especially the women in K-pop, how they have to diet and how they can't eat this and that. And even the guys, you know, they go do their mandatory military duty, they come back buff, and then they are forced to kind of lose the weight again. So I'm like, no, let them eat because it looks good, right?

• 6:53Stephen Thompson?

  But they also explain it. They say like, we're gonna burn 10,000 calories tonight, so we need to carb load. Yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  I loved that, too. And the food looked so good. I'm a big cartoon food person. Like, you know, I just love watching like all the food in Ghibli movies. But the food looked great, the ramen looked great. They had these like pouches, these like medicine pouches. And for some reason, I wanted to drink the juice out of the juice pouches. Like, that's how good this movie was.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  It was like in a K-drama, even though this is a film where, you know, I'm waiting for the product placement. I'm like, is there gonna be like a Subway ad? You know, where is it? It was so well done. It was so much fun.

• 7:29Stephen Thompson?

  I really had a very, very, very similar reaction to this film. First of all, it immediately hooked me in. If you are in any way on the fence, you don't have to watch this movie very long. A, to get sucked in, and B, to know whether you will get sucked in. To me, this film's greatest accomplishment among many. And it is, it's a fun and funny and lively film. It's a lean 90 minutes.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  It's beautiful to watch. It's beautiful.

• 7:53Speaker 04

  It is.

• 7:53Stephen Thompson?

  It's beautiful to look at. But where this film completely soars for me is in the songs. It is impossible to overstate how important it is that this film get its songs right. And I have seen a number of films in recent years, Looking at You Trap, Looking at You Opus, where the film is built around this idea that some performer or some song is enormously compelling, and then the song isn't. And that deflates a film like that so much. If these songs were not superior K-pop songs, this film would fall really flat. But these are magnificent songs. They're so fun. We've already mentioned Soda Pop.

• 8:38Stephen Thompson?

  Soda Pop is a Saja Boys song.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:41Stephen Thompson?

  And it is so catchy. You completely understand how this song would kind of capture people's imaginations. And all of a sudden, everybody would welcome this as this hot new idol band. Like, this is suddenly like my new thing I'm really excited about. Because if you heard that song, you would feel that way.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  There's a moment in the movie where the demons are like, I don't know if this demon boy band thing would work.

• 9:07Speaker 05

  A demon boy band?

• 9:14Speaker 05

  What makes you think that could work?

• 9:19Speaker 03

  And then the moment, they don't even start singing. They just look like K-pop guys.

• 9:24Stephen Thompson?

  They do.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  And then like the demon.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  They just walk out.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  They just walk out and they kind of pose. And then the other demons are like, oh no, this is 100% gonna work. You feel like you're that demon. They're like, this is gonna work.

• 9:33Stephen Thompson?

  Yeah.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  I mean, in the movie, you kind of feel for the lead singer of the Demon Boy Band. And like, it's so easy to like them. I was watching all these TikToks that are just like, Saja Boys Take My Soul, you know, like it was just like, I can't stop this.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Well, you know, one of the things that I loved about the songs was their mixture of like real K-pop songs where they have songs sung in Korean, but also with English.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  And the thing that sets it out as fiction is, okay, the English is so good here because in Korean K-pop songs, it's usually the English is a little wonky, you know? It's like, you know, some verb is missing, you know?

• 10:12Stephen Thompson?

  A lot of times the English in K-pop songs is basically you could take all the lyrics and break them up into hashtags.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 10:20Stephen Thompson?

  And you're right, they're a little more fluent.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  And can I just tell you, like Soda Pop, when you hear it, it's like a beautiful pop song, you know, very jubilant and like catchy. But if you listen to the lyrics or read the lyrics, it's also just a little bit dirty, which is also very K-pop.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 10:35Speaker 04

  Because you have the double entendres, you know? So that the tweens, the 11-year-olds won't understand what they're saying, but the ajummas, you know, the older women in the audience, they're like, oh yeah, got it.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  And they're represented in this movie. They are in the front row. Like every kind of fan is represented. And I think they actually show fans actually being fans. They have like grown men crying. They have like people in their 20s. They have people in their 60s dancing, you know? It's, I loved it so much. I also really liked as a middle-aged Asian woman, the, you know, mother figure. She still looked really good with just a little bit of gray hair. Loved it.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  Celine?

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Loved it.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Something to look up to.

• 11:14Stephen Thompson?

  So Celine is kind of a, a mother figure to Rumi.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love that this movie was so inclusive, you know, not just in having demons and humans or whatnot, but the fans, because what you hear about K-pop fans is always it's like, oh. You know, it's screaming 12 year old girls at the concerts. That's all you hear. And then you actually go to a concert and you're like, whoa. You know, there's men, there's women, there's all sorts of different races.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  It's not just Asian girls there, you know?

• 11:40Speaker 03

  No, definitely not.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  And we know that now because of the pop charts and the videos and the TikToks.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 11:45Speaker 03

  Everyone's loving this.

• 11:46Stephen Thompson?

  Well, and so many of those stereotypes are meant to shrink movements.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 11:51Stephen Thompson?

  They're meant to diminish, they are meant to sort of put aside like, oh, this is just that. This is just this tiny thing. This is just this niche. This doesn't have to be taken seriously as something worthy of critique. This is just fluff over here for the kiddies.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:07Stephen Thompson?

  And this movie embraces this world and understands this world and embodies this world. And I just imagine this film being such a gateway.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yes.

• 12:17Stephen Thompson?

  Into K-pop for so many audiences because it's so fun and these songs are so great.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  And because people thought K-pop is cringe, you're like, I don't want to like K-pop because, oh, you know, hey, it's bad. And then you hear these songs and it's like you're tapping. It's like Rumi when she doesn't want to like the Sasha boys.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  You can't help it.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  She can't help moving because it's so good.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  They're like, it's infectious.

• 12:40Stephen Thompson?

  I also really do feel like this film has kind of entered the conversation around the song of the summer for 2025. And I'm on the Billboard charts beat. And it's wild how few like new joyful pop songs have really broken through in the summer of 2025. In the summer of 2024, you had Brat, you had, you know, Sabrina Carpenter.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:02Stephen Thompson?

  You had a lot of these big fizzy fun pop songs. And those songs, you know, are certainly still coming out. But to me, this is that infusion of joy and playfulness that the pop charts really needed right now. I wanted to ask you guys, I have a favorite song from this film.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Just one?

• 13:21Speaker 03

  I think I have two.

• 13:21Stephen Thompson?

  That hasn't come up yet. And I'm wondering, because Golden and Soda Pop are definitely two kind of breakthrough songs from this film. Golden is the song that they're submitting for Best Original Song consideration for the Academy Awards. And we might actually see K-pop represented at the Oscars for the first time. But for me, there's another song that I love even more. And I'm wondering what y'all's favorite songs from this film are before I get to mine.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Is it Your Idol? Because I love Your Idol.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  I like that one too.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  You know, they sing, "You gave me your heart and now I'm here for your soul." It's like, oh, that's so creepy, but it's so good. And that's the song that all the real K-pop idols, the boy bands, are doing their own interpretations of. They get dressed up, wearing their like, black outfits with the gut, the traditional hat, the gut. And they look fantastic. And I was like, whenever have, you know, superstar bands copied an animated character? But they're all into it. I don't know. I never thought I'd see this thing. And it's kinda, it's kinda cool. It's infectious. Yes.

• 14:38Stephen Thompson?

  And I think it's so impressive that the songs that they have written for Huntrix and the songs that they have written for Sajaboyz are kind of on a level playing field. Like, they are both great.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:49Stephen Thompson?

  You understand why people love the music of both of these groups. And so when they're pitted against each other in competition, you don't have a situation where one of them is so clearly superior to the others. Or that situation like Glen Weldon always talks about about Pitch Perfect 2, where he's like, "Da Sound Machine is better than, than the a cappella group that's supposed to be beating them." But here, they really are on a level playing field. And I actually was not talking about "Your Idol," which is a terrific, terrific Sajaboyz song. But for me, the culminating song in this film, it is so important that the last song in a movie like this hit really hard.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:28Stephen Thompson?

  Because if it doesn't, it's going to deflate you at the end of this film. And I, sometimes when I'm really enjoying a movie, I start to almost sort of have this like, scorekeeping in my head where I'm just like, "Please stick the landing. Please stick the landing." The last song in this film is called "What It Sounds Like."

• 15:59Speaker 04

  Oh, it's so good.

• 16:01Stephen Thompson?

  So triumphant, and I cried so hard.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  Oh, I held it in, but I shouldn't have.

• 16:07Stephen Thompson?

  I'm not one who's very good at holding it in under the best of circumstances. But to me, this song not only moved the plot along, not only was like a big culminating triumphant song, it also felt in its own way like this might be the song that has the longest shelf life from this film.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:29Stephen Thompson?

  It felt queer-coded in a way similar to like the most loved songs from the Frozen movies. It reminded me of Let It Go. It reminded me of Show Yourself from Frozen 2, where like, would you be surprised if you saw a production set to What It Sounds Like at a drag show?

• 16:46Speaker 03

  That would be fantastic.

• 16:48Stephen Thompson?

  Because I would not.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  I would go.

• 16:49Stephen Thompson?

  And to me, it kind of feels like a payoff to some of the subtle queer coding of like Rumi's arc of like, I'm keeping this secret from the people closest to me, but now I'm living my truth. That stuff felt so universal and just glorious.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  The whole movie's about these things that we feel shame for. And when Mira is like, you didn't deserve a family, and I, you know, I felt that really strongly, and I was like, oh, family, and like, do I belong? And Zoe's like, from these two different worlds, which I also kind of have an issue about, but she was like, you're too much. People around you, you're just too much for them. You're too much and you're not enough. And I almost started crying. And I was like, this is such a good movie. The writing is so good, where it picks exactly the things people are really struggling with, which isn't fair to themselves. They need to be nicer. And like, at the very end, when people are like giving themselves, and in like, this is what it sounds like, when it's like, you're not doing this alone, you have friends, like,

• 17:48Speaker 03

  you should be able to trust the people closest to you, and you won't be let down. Don't assume that they're gonna... Go against you. It was so beautiful and like this movie is so great.

• 17:58Speaker 04

  You could tell the love and care that went into this production. I mean, they were saying that it was seven years in the making. And you can tell it's not one of those slap dash things where it's like, woo, you know, have a cute girl band, have a cute boy band and then have them fight. There was so much meaning. It's not just K-pop. It's not just pop culture. It's not just about, you know, the differences between different types of people, which I guess demons can sort of be different types of people.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  They were people at one point.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  But there's so much significance to the Korean part of the K-pop. This movie, even though it's an American film, it was a love story to Koreans as well, which I really appreciated that. I hope that people who watch this movie will listen to K-pop with little more than just like, oh, you know, it's just something silly that little kids like. It's like, there's a whole history to it. I mean, K-pop literally stands for Korean pop music. And now, of course, it's kind of code for Korean idol music, which is a little bit different, but there's a whole history to it that I hope people appreciate.

• 18:57Stephen Thompson?

  Well, that kind of brings me to my last question here, right? Where do you think audiences for this film should go from here? If they're interested in exploring K-pop more deeply, if they're interested in exploring certain animation styles more deeply. Where do people go? Like if they've fallen in love with this movie, they're streaming the soundtrack. They're listening to this conversation excitedly because they're like, why hasn't pop culture happy hour covered K-pop Demon Hunters? Where should newbies go from here?

• 19:24Speaker 04

  Musically, I think a great start for them would be Twice, who, three of the members, you know, saying takedown, Twice version in the, in the track.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  They're, you know, an amazing K-pop group and I think that a band like that can help open doors into the K-pop that isn't just being produced right now, but that has a history from a few years ago. And, you know, I hope that they do check into like, there's this whole thing on social media about like, you know, who are the Sajja Boys supposed to be? You know, are they supposed to be BTS, Monsta X, you know, uh, Astro, um, One Ho? So I hope that they take these people that, these bands that everybody's talking about and actually go and listen to some of the music. And I think they'll be pleasantly surprised.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  My mom is from Taiwan. I've watched like Taiwan dramas that are like funny, romantic comedies, but I've never watched a K-drama. So I think, like, I recognized the scene in the movie where he like bumps her and it's very similar to the like Taiwan drama I watched, right? So I'm like, oh, if I like this, maybe I should go and find out what the best K-drama in the last 10 years was and like just binge that, you know? Like, that's what I think.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, go watch Squid Game. They have that same sweet sentiment. No.

• 20:32Stephen Thompson?

  Right, exactly. Very, very similar.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 20:37Stephen Thompson?

  Yeah, it is safe to say we enjoyed this movie pretty much without reservation.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, no reservations.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  We have nothing to fight about.

• 20:45Stephen Thompson?

  Yeah, most people listening are gonna feel the same way if they don't already. This film is so fun. We want to know what you think about K-pop Demon Hunters. Find us at facebook.com/PCHH. That brings us to the end of our show. Jay Ha Kim, Regina Barber, thanks so much for being here.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  Thank you. This is so much fun, you guys.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 21:06Stephen Thompson?

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