Incredible Sultan of Brunei Collection Photos Leaked! Doug's Jaguar Concept Take!

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• 0:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  I'm Ken. I'm Felipe.

• 0:08Doug DeMuro?

  And let's just get into it because there's a lot to talk about, starting with.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Jag.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Yes. So in our last podcast, we talked about the new Jaguar that hadn't come out yet. They've revealed the concept and here it is, the type 00 finished in Miami pink, London blue. And they do a third version in Parisian gold.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  That blue is the least Londony blue of everything.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  Also, yeah, I'd say London, if gray is the color that comes to mind when I think of London, but.

• 0:33Doug DeMuro?

  What do we think? What do we think?

• 0:36Speaker 02

  I kind of like it, to be honest with you. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. And it's also a concept and it won't look like this when it goes into production. So who cares?

• 0:43Speaker 01

  This is meaningless.

• 0:44Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's cool as hell. However, the thing I've learned about concept cars is when they debut, they look like that. And when they go into production, they look like the Acura TLX.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  This feels less like a concept car, more like a design study.

• 0:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And it looks cool. If this came out, it would be so cool, but these are 78 inch wheels. They'll never see production. They're too big. The automakers won't do wheels on tires like that.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  No mirrors.

• 1:06Doug DeMuro?

  No mirrors. I mean, that, I don't know about.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  That can't be ZOT legal. Yeah.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I don't see reflectors. I just, it would be cool as hell if they actually had the gravitas to make this car. And they're going to make a version of it and it's going to be so watered down that we're not even going to remember this concept.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  It also, what's fascinating to me and Harry Metcalf did a great video talking about this, but like it's an EV, right? So there's no engine up here. So massive hood.

• 1:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, but that's what a cool car looks like. A big, like those old V16 Cadillacs, you know?

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Are they going all EV? Was that announced?

• 1:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  It was assumed, but like, is this something they've said?

• 1:42Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think they said it, but a lot of automakers have walked that back. So I don't know how Jaguar is feeling about it right now. This would be cool, the V18.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  They said copy nothing. Wasn't that their big thing? That it was all original? It looks a little like a Rolls Royce R8 to me.

• 1:58Doug DeMuro?

  I'll take it, but it's, but it's like a wide body rate. This is a cool looking car. If this came out and existed, it would be cool. It will not come out and exist. When it comes out, it's going to have 14 inch wheels, hubcaps. And you know, you can, and it'll have some sort of British market tax credit stuff on it.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  I think this is kind of like RS6 Avanti. I mean, the things that are interesting to me, like I really wish they made more use of the cat. The cat is one of the cool logos.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  And other, I've seen other photos of that panel open.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  I think so. Not totally sure.

• 2:30Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, none of it matters. It's a concept car and it's never going to see the light of day. However, it is cool. Jag is back. Now, I want to say one other thing about Jag. I had that take about the Jag ad and I was surprised, even Instagram commenters, kind of the lowest level of commenter, even they agreed with me mostly. They were like, you know what? He's right. Like, they haven't done anything in years. So let's hear, let's, this is something. But a lot of them were still like, when you go woke, you go broke. My rebuttal to that is, they broke. They're already broke.

• 3:02Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that was the thing. It came from that Bud Light thing where they did the transgender ad and then Bud Light lost all that money. And they, they went woke and they went broke. Jaguar is as broke as it gets. Like, there's, people were like, Jaguar's gonna learn. When you go woke, you go broke. Like, they already learned. They're broke already. This is it. This is just a weak attempt to do something completely different.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  I think just the question becomes like, when you're hard pivoting a brand, this hard pivot, which is, there's nothing that says Jaguar

• 3:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  there at all. I do see Four Rings and the girl that seemed Audi-esque to me for some reason.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Well, the huge girl also.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I, you're not actually, like, you're launching a new brand fundamentally.

• 3:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Why?

• 3:45Doug DeMuro?

  Because the old one was tired.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  They just give up.

• 3:49Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  That's the thing about Jag. They don't give up.

• 3:52Doug DeMuro?

  They don't give up.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  It's just, it's.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  That's not the British way. They'll fight them on the beach.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  So they don't give up.

• 4:01Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, I think we all agree. It's a cool car. It's never going to see production. I'm more interested in what they actually are able to do, not what they say. So far, we've been getting a lot of talk from Jaguar and I respect Harry greatly, but let's get some reality from Jaguar.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Let's find out what the Tata Group will accomplish.

• 4:17Doug DeMuro?

  Remember the Ford GT90? Remember the Cadillac CN, our favorite topic on this podcast?

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Love the CN.

• 4:22Doug DeMuro?

  Meanwhile, they came out with the, with the Cetera.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  True. But if this is the direction they go in styling wise, I would be happy with it. I would love it if they would do something racing with it would be very cool. Imagine that as a race car.

• 4:33Doug DeMuro?

  Run with a big wing on that.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  That would be too connected to their heritage.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Right, but maybe they but racing is always cool. So I but I don't know it, but nonetheless, it's here. That's what it looks like. Those are the colors.

• 4:43Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of cars that are not doing well, our next news for actually the whole news segment.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  The whole car market.

• 4:48Doug DeMuro?

  Nissan. This is a great image of Nissan's lineup in some market. The Leaf, the Juke, the Kaskai, the Aria and the Town Star, which I had never heard of.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Market do we think this is?

• 4:58Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, but the picture looks like it was taken here in Southern California. Uh, Nissan announced, actually Nissan didn't announce, but some Nissan executive in Japan announced that they're a year away from running out of money. I'm astonished it's a year.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  12 to 14 months.

• 5:09Doug DeMuro?

  They've been losing money by.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  But they sell cars like it's as hard to fully run out of money.

• 5:13Doug DeMuro?

  You can't, it doesn't count. Selling cars profitlessly to rental car fleets does not count. It doesn't. They're those are sales to keep the factories going.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  They haven't developed a new, the Aria came out a couple of years ago and there's a new, uh, Murano coming out.

• 5:26Doug DeMuro?

  And a new Armada.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Great.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  They haven't like been investing that much money. How can they be losing?

• 5:31Doug DeMuro?

  I am surprised. That's a good point. I am surprised by that. The investment has been minimal. The cars are not good and haven't been for years.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  They're okay.

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  The new Pathfinder is fine. The problem is they just.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  The new QX80 Infinity thing and Armada are fine?

• 5:44Doug DeMuro?

  They have just sullied their reputation so greatly for so many years, building so much trash cars, going after the lowest common denominator of buyer. And Kel's surprise, to quote Kenan, that's not a strategy that works.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  The thing is like, it's, it's really easy to see how Jag runs out of money. You don't see a Jag around. You see Nissan's everywhere. You see a Rogue every three minutes.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  But it's all low end.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  And the Kaskai is very popular in Europe, as is the Juke, which doesn't exist here anymore. Like they do well, so it's really a testament to their mismanagement that they're running out of money because they sell cars.

• 6:17Doug DeMuro?

  They have these giant stakes and other the Mitsubishi.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:20Doug DeMuro?

  They but to be honest, though, they're, and they're, they're heavily dependent on the US market and the Japanese market to like bring them.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:27Doug DeMuro?

  But, um, Toyota and Honda aren't in this position. They went after quality. Nissan went after like short term sales numbers and gains. And I just find Nissan, every time I think about Nissan, I find it to be such like a, such a depressing.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Did everything go downhill when their CEO, um, left the country in the Trambo case?

• 6:44Doug DeMuro?

  No, I think, but I think things started to go downhill when they arrested him.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Wasn't a good moment for the

• 6:49Doug DeMuro?

  Which may or may not have been politically motivated. He asserts that it was regardless, it was a company in turmoil.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:54Doug DeMuro?

  There's no question. And when I was a kid, Nissan was such an innovator. I remember in 03, Nissan was on top of their game. The the Infiniti lineup was in fantastic shape. They had just come out with that Altima that like saved the company. That Maxima and the Quest was weird, but it was like Nissan was the talk of everybody at the time. And the Titan had was just coming out, which had all this promise. It has been canceled, I assume, along with the big van.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  The NV200.

• 7:17Doug DeMuro?

  No, the NV2500 and 3500.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's just, it's just a company that has just never, it hasn't innovated in years. The cars are not particularly exciting, or, or they sell only to people who don't have the credit or the ability to afford better cars.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's the Florida of car companies.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  It's hard. The, the, the, I will say, this is all very rumor driven, but like, it felt like pretty strategic leaks. There were like two leaks, but it felt kind of deliberate.

• 7:45Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't a leak. The guy openly said, we're, we're running out of cash. This is in a press conference in Asia, talking about factory lines, and that they have too many of them, which is probably true. I, I don't know. I just, it's, it isn't all that surprising to me. You wonder if the auto industry starts to pare down some of the, some of the dinosaurs and starts to add some, like Xiaomi, starts to add some of the newbies who are like, ready to do the innovative thing. Tesla shows up, they kill it because they have this innovative product, and the old guys who are not cool are, we're starting to see some decline.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  It also hasn't impacted the US as much, but there's been a lot of consolidation. PSA Group, so Peugeot, Citroen, and some of DS, I don't know, whatever the other ones are, are all part now of FCA.

• 8:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Or Solantis, rather. Obviously, there's no more Dodge, really, except for the Charger. There's really no Chrysler products. Opel is part of Solantis as well, but not Vauxhall. There was some weird split that happened. Regardless, like, there's been a lot of consolidation. It would not be a huge surprise if Nissan takes investment from another OEM, which was a talk, the talk of the, they were trying to get Honda to invest, and there's some further consolidation. It's kind of inevitable.

• 8:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  It's a competitive landscape.

• 8:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's an interesting thing that's kind of happening. And I, I do find it, I will say, I do find it a little bit disheartening, that Nissan kind of comes out and is like, we can't believe we're in this position. And I'm sitting here like, I can believe it. I had ideas for you 15 years ago.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  I can believe it's not butter.

• 9:03Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, they went hard on sedans when no one was doing sedans. They went hard on cheap cars at low quality. They really did not build out a good SUV product in the States. You're right, the Rogue sells, but at a low price point. Pathfinder's don't sell. That name was sully.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  And that's the hottest market.

• 9:17Doug DeMuro?

  That's the hottest market. It's their only entrant into that market, whereas Toyota has 37.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:22Doug DeMuro?

  It's just, it's a disappointing situation. It's a disappointing brand. I'm not surprised to see them in this situation.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:27Doug DeMuro?

  And I can't believe they're still trying to make Infiniti.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  I know. Why invest money in that?

• 9:31Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Just be done.

• 9:33Doug DeMuro?

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• 10:54Speaker 01

  And speaking of somebody that was formerly at Nissan.

• 10:57Doug DeMuro?

  Carlos Tavares. Tell us the story.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  He has resigned effective immediately earlier this week from being the CEO of Stellantis.

• 11:04Doug DeMuro?

  Stellantis, which is another declining.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  How many Stellantis brands can you name, Kenan?

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Well, let's see. So it's Jeep, Fiat. Um.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I'm going off of memory here, so we'll see.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  I mean, I really don't know. Basic as Dodge, Ram.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Well done separating Ram, correct?

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Yes, um.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Chrysler does still exist for the record.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Do they still? I assume they were dead.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  But then don't forget about Peugeot, Opel.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  Uh, for a launch at that point.

• 11:32Doug DeMuro?

  Ferrari.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Maserati.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Ferrari spun off.

• 11:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, spun off.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Maserati did not.

• 11:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Uh, a lot of your favorite.

• 11:40Doug DeMuro?

  Last time I got in a SF 90 and saw the same info payment screen from a Jeep Wrangler. No, I'm kidding. That's not true.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Back in the same buttons.

• 11:47Doug DeMuro?

  There was a time, though.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  There was a time. He was supposed to retire at the, in 2026. 2025 was supposed to be his last.

• 11:54Doug DeMuro?

  It hasn't been a good year at Stellantis.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  And the, the Carlos de Varis came, the, the last few years, he'd been incredibly popular and he was very much lauded as the, the CEO because Stellantis had great profits during COVID. Probably because they had a lot of inventory they needed to sell. Uh, so they had great profits because the only inventory they had in the US was high priced, high margin.

• 12:17Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Trucks, SUVs.

• 12:18Doug DeMuro?

  Charger Challenger, which are also.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Especially then.

• 12:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they've been in production for 20, 20 years.

• 12:23Doug DeMuro?

  And then only the nice ones were selling.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  So, so Stellantis profits were great. And now then it turns out, wait, actually now that other manufacturers can build vehicles, nobody wants.

• 12:31Doug DeMuro?

  They had a huge COVID bubble.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  They did.

• 12:34Doug DeMuro?

  And it ain't looking pretty now.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 12:36Doug DeMuro?

  So I was thinking about this yesterday.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Dealers are pissed, have been pissed.

• 12:39Doug DeMuro?

  I was thinking about this yesterday because I went to a Chrysler product launch, a Stellantis product launch. Stellantis vehicles are piled up at dealers and their quality is poor. Ford just has the poor quality.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  We're, we're really making sure that every OEM loves those on the podcast.

• 12:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, I mean, listen, the, the truth of the matter is Stellantis, since I was a kid, Chrysler has staked their entire existence on the success of like one or two vehicles in their product portfolio. They've never had the deep bench that the Toyotas and the Fords and the Hondas have had. And this, this most recent time was Charger Challenger.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 13:15Doug DeMuro?

  And Jeep, and Jeep.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  The, the Chrysler 300 came out in 08.

• 13:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, right, but the Charger Challenger in the period you're talking. About the COVID period was the big hit. That was the car that was selling.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  And honestly, every Jeep as well.

• 13:28Doug DeMuro?

  Jeep. Both. All of that has completely changed. Charger Challenger, they gave up on, which I still think was kind of a mistake. They wanted, they took this electric strategy, which obviously is not going to pan out. They're walking that back. Jeep has become a bit of a problem and they have this big reputational issue where no one believes the cars will run. I, when I bought my Sequoia, remember I like really wanted a Grand Cherokee and in the end was like, I just can't take the risk. And I think a lot of people feel that way.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Do you know how cheap Wrangler four by eight leases are?

• 13:56Doug DeMuro?

  How cheap?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Low three hundreds for a well specced Willis edition, which I think is like.

• 14:01Doug DeMuro?

  That still seems high.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  It's a $60,000 truck.

• 14:04Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. What's the down?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Zero. I, from what I've seen online, people have, have gotten deals in that range.

• 14:10Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  If you go to any Jeep website, their advertised dealer website, they're advertising some.

• 14:16Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, one of the things that I have noticed with a lot of these automakers, Nissan included, is that there was a pivot to electric that a lot of money went to and that the automakers are now anxious will happen. We got Trump as president now, the electric incentives are going to change. The demand for EVs has not been as strong as the auto industry thought that it would be even with, even without the incentives. Let alone with, if the incentives go away, that's going to change everything, especially in the US.

• 14:43Doug DeMuro?

  These automakers are all kind of, Toyota's in a good place. They never, they never put any money into EVs in the first place.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, fair. And also like, Solentis obviously has a huge European presence, all their, most of their brands.

• 14:54Doug DeMuro?

  But a lot of EV, wasn't, isn't, DS is not an electric only brand, but a lot of the cars are electric.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  There's a lot of electric, which do sell, but volume is just not the same. Europe as a continent of countries has way less volume.

• 15:06Doug DeMuro?

  The volume is in China, which has its own burgeoning industry.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  There is no real, these traditional manufacturers.

• 15:13Doug DeMuro?

  The Chinese government has really been protectionist about making sure that Chinese automakers take the, take the front run or role in China and it's worked. And those cars are not only ahead of American and, and general legacy brands in terms of technology, but they're way ahead in sales in what is going to quickly become, if not is already the most important car market in the world. Now, I will say. I was at a Mercedes Benz dealership last week, cars piled up.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  There's inventory.

• 15:37Doug DeMuro?

  I was at a Porsche dealership for my Carriggi recall, I was asking about sales. They said McConney Vs coming in are not sold. Inbound McConney Vs, this car, I've only seen two on the road. This is a brand new car, not sold.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Brand new Porsche.

• 15:48Doug DeMuro?

  The brand new Porsche. The EV demand is simply not there. A lot of these Mercedes Benz's that are piling up, sitting around, EQBs just sitting free. These cars are free.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  I mean, look.

• 15:57Doug DeMuro?

  I know, but.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  It's an EQB.

• 16:00Doug DeMuro?

  I know, but.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  It's not a competitive, attractive vehicle.

• 16:02Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you, but my point is, they invested money in the electric pivot. It is not working. And there's going to be a come to Jesus situation in the automotive industry. There already is for a lot of these brands. Not Toyota, again. The Toyota dealers still have low day supply and they're moving stuff.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  I will also, the other component here, and then we can move on to a topic Ken cares about. A lot of these manufacturers, and Stellantis is especially guilty of this, bet pretty big on developing markets. South and Central America, parts of Africa, that have not had demand skyrocket to the extent that I think they thought they did 10 years ago when they.

• 16:35Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Rolled out this product. Like Fiat's only new products are in South and Central American markets, and they're not doing great there either.

• 16:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that brand only really exists in like Latin America. We've seen them from Mexico.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  It's gone from the US.

• 16:48Doug DeMuro?

  Even Jeep, Jeep has all these products that are not available in the US, which is so surprising because it's a Jeep.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  They have one, the Aventur.

• 16:54Doug DeMuro?

  No, they have several. You go to Europe, there's, there's Jeeps everywhere. No, there's all sorts of weird Jeeps.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  There's a renegade electric or a renegade hybrid.

• 17:02Doug DeMuro?

  I want a renegade hybrid.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  They offered me one last time I rented a car in Italy.

• 17:05Doug DeMuro?

  I would pay the, what I would believe would be the competitive lease price on that car, which is $19.99.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  You would pay more than I would.

• 17:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  And so all that to say, Carlos Savars left a CEO. There was some rumor, by the way, that he had $100 million severance package.

• 17:17Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Stellantis had a press release today that said, no, that is not true. This is overly inflated, which means it's probably 75.

• 17:25Doug DeMuro?

  97 million. 100 million. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I'd be like, all right.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  He was planning on retiring anyway, because this seems like a good outcome for him. John Elkin, Ken's favorite man, is partially in charge of Stellantis while they hire a new CEO.

• 17:37Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, man.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  Which they claim will happen, by the way, by the end of Q2.

• 17:40Doug DeMuro?

  Stellantis is funny. They got good products, but it is going to be a tough road.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Name one.

• 17:44Doug DeMuro?

  All the, the Grand Cherokee is a great product.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Great product.

• 17:46Doug DeMuro?

  The Ram is a great product. The Wrangler is a good product. All these cars are-

• 17:49Speaker 01

  A good product implies that it's a car that will also be dependable.

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  They are overproduced. They have a poor reputation for quality and they went too hard on Electra. And so this is the situation.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  I would love to have a Wrangler or Grand Cherokee four, by the way. I've thought about how I make it work.

• 18:02Doug DeMuro?

  So get one. They're, they're, they're cheap.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  They're not cheap enough yet. The secondary is-

• 18:06Speaker 02

  It's never cheap enough for Philly.

• 18:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, let's talk about the most important news.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:11Doug DeMuro?

  Brunei. Folks, I want to talk about Brunei and I want to just really get into Brunei and I think we should really-

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Well sadly it's hard to get into Brunei.

• 18:18Doug DeMuro?

  I know. Well, you can go there.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  You, you can go there. It's quite a tourist destination.

• 18:21Doug DeMuro?

  You can't see the collection. Uh, I can't imagine, I can't tell you people how much time I spent on this. I'm going to tell you the basic story and then Kenan's going to take it. The Brunei, the Sultan of Brunei, actually his brother Prince Jeffrey, he spent reportedly, according to court documents filed years ago about various things. He spent reportedly fourteen billion dollars, misspent, fourteen billion dollars over a period of a decade or so in the nineties. And I read an Atlantic article about Prince Jeffrey and it referred to him as the individual, the living individual who has spent the most money of any person in existence.

• 18:55Doug DeMuro?

  We calculated, he bought seven thousand cars for the collection.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 18:59Doug DeMuro?

  And we calculated that during the period where he was spending money, he was buying three cars on average every single day. People are like, I can't believe he never drove them. Of course he never drove them.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  How did he buy that many cars?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  The whole nation wouldn't have any time to drive those cars.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  He didn't go to a dealer and bought them. These were all mostly quite special.

• 19:20Doug DeMuro?

  He went to, the, the seven thousand, I would say six, sixty-six hundred of the seven thousand, sixty-five hundred are not special cars that were primarily Mercedes and Rolls Royce and Bentley that were purchased directly, but not through a dealer, but like directly and they were just cars they were making.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 19:36Doug DeMuro?

  You know, there was a rumor that in ninety-six, ninety-seven or ninety-eight, he bought a third of all new Rolls and Bentleys and single-handedly propped up Rolls Royce and Bentley as a company until he stopped buying cars.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Believable.

• 19:46Doug DeMuro?

  They found out the fourteen billion dollar embezzlement. He stopped buying cars and immediately after that Rolls Royce and Bentley failed.

• 19:54Doug DeMuro?

  It had to be bought by other companies. But anyway, so what happened this week was last week, there was a leak of Brunei pictures from taken back in 2001 purportedly by either Michael Sheehan or someone like that. And there's like this uproar, these are stolen photos. I can't believe these got out. Oh, I can't believe that. Like, all these Brunei Instagram accounts are like, are like so pearl clutchy. That's hilarious. But they're out. The pictures are there. Those of us who want to see the pictures love it. And the cool thing is Brunei had what they really did. And what was the really special thing, the 500 really special cars was they commissioned Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bugatti, Jaguar, to build one off individual cars just for themselves that were not sold

• 20:36Doug DeMuro?

  or available to anybody else. And it's an unbelievable thing. And we see these pictures now of these cars. And I will say, a lot of the cars pictured had been, there are other photos of them around.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Right. Some pictures did get out. But I mean, it was so few. And we all knew what they were.

• 20:50Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think there's a single car that was photographed in here that I didn't know about. But it's amazing to see them all. The multicolor EB110 was a surprise.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes, that was.

• 21:02Doug DeMuro?

  And also, you know what else was a surprise? We didn't talk about. There is a 456 and a 550 that were made with night vision. Did you see this? They have an enormous amount of night vision stuff in the trunk. And there are cameras in the interior. And they were meant to drive like 200 miles an hour in the middle of the night.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Remember night vision?

• 21:18Doug DeMuro?

  Crazy. So anyway, this is a Bentley Buccaneer or something like that. There's all these cars that never existed. There are Aston Martins. That Aston over there is really cool. And it's amazing to see these pictures.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Right. There's a great Instagram account. I think it's called.

• 21:31Doug DeMuro?

  There's several now.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Yes. But the one that like pushed them all was 2001, something like that. It is, it like, it is hours of scrolling through and being like, wow, I never would have thought.

• 21:42Doug DeMuro?

  The Brunei government reportedly, so there's some interesting things about this. These pictures are all taken in 2001. A lot of the cars are moldy. A lot of the cars are in rough shape.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Right. 23 years ago, they were in rough shape.

• 21:53Doug DeMuro?

  So a couple of the Brunei Instagram accounts have been saying the cars are being maintained. Well, now you don't know what you're talking about, which is interesting. Some of them have gotten very angry, like people are Saying the cars aren't being maintained well. You don't know anything. And it's like, well, then tell us. I don't know. Of course, we're saying that 20 years ago, they looked like they weren't being maintained and we haven't heard anything since.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Like, say, you've been to Brunei?

• 22:13Doug DeMuro?

  Apparently, some of those guys have some access to some people, but we know the McLarens have gone back. We've seen pictures at airports of the McLaren F1s that have gone back to the UK for refurbishment. And then come back to Brunei.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  So the owners and their families are still maintaining this fleet in some way.

• 22:29Doug DeMuro?

  The the big thing that I think every car enthusiast on the planet wishes they would do is open up a museum.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:35Doug DeMuro?

  And let people get access and see these cars. However, the ruling royal family of Brunei currently is still the same family who bought the cars. And I think that they are embarrassed. I think that they're embarrassed by this massive display of wealth, this ridiculous spend, and they don't want it to get out to their to their population, local population, Brunei.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  They're just like open windows. I kind of imagine people walk down the street and see the.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  So you should see where they are. I got deep into this. I knew exactly where they are on satellite. You can't get to them. It's in a presidential separate reserved area that like normal people can't access.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  I have it on authority that the family just doesn't know what to do. They don't know if to do it as like to display them as a museum. They don't know if they should sell them. They don't.

• 23:20Doug DeMuro?

  I will tell you this, Brunei, which is an oil-rich nation, and that's how they got all this money in the first place. They have been really trying to push tourism lately. The drawback of tourism in Brunei is it's also a heavily Muslim country. There's no nightlife. There's no alcohol, etc. If they opened up these cars to a museum.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  We'd have plenty.

• 23:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'd be there in two seconds. I would tour Brunei. I'll dump the money into their economy. I'm happy to.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  I think it would be five days of just going there to see the cars.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  There's I also researched Brunei pretty extensively. There's like

• 23:53Speaker 01

  the car ownership is like the second highest of any nation in the world. There's not a very large nation.

• 23:58Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's very small.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  There are roads that are good roads, like there's like all highway.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  And when the highway opened in 2002, it was news.

• 24:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's a very, very, very, very, very small country. And but they've got all this money and I just would give.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  And water.

• 24:13Doug DeMuro?

  I just. Would give anything to jump in there and see the damn cars.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know, they got six McLaren F1s.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  I know they and they three of the five LM's, including the one that's not orange.

• 24:22Doug DeMuro?

  They got a long tail. They got an orange one. They got a non orange one.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  GT. Yeah, I mean, they have, yeah, they have, really have everything.

• 24:29Doug DeMuro?

  Those cars in them, in and of themselves, that's a hundred and fifty million dollars in cars right there. And I'd be honest, the one off Ferraris, I think those are five plus million cars. I think a Ferrari Venice sells for five million to seven million. It's a one off, right? I think a four, five, six sedan sells for that. I think a Bentley Buccaneer doesn't sell for that, but gets probably six hundred, seven hundred grand. The drawback of the cars is they're all right hand drive.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. What do you think the right hand? With the leather interior goes.

• 24:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's another thing. They got F40s, twenty eight GTOs, twenty eight EVOs.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:58Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, it's gotta be, even today, it's gotta be a billion dollars in cars. I'm not, I'm not.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Incredibly moldy.

• 25:06Doug DeMuro?

  Who knows?

• 25:06Speaker 01

  If you are part of the Sultan's family and you want to have Doug come visit you. He would murder Kenan to do so.

• 25:14Doug DeMuro?

  I would give anything. I would say that the one thing, if I could do anything in the world to do, would be to go to Brunei and see the cars.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 25:21Doug DeMuro?

  Especially because this, this hits for me. This was my.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  This is the era. Exactly. I totally.

• 25:25Doug DeMuro?

  Late nineties, weird stuff. It would have been amazing if they had had money in the mid two thousands. That would have been really cool. But I'll take Bentley Buccaneers, Bentley Dominators, Bentley Javas.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Yep. Ferrari Mythos. I'll, I'll take them all.

• 25:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the other thing, the Ferrari FX that they have?

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:40Doug DeMuro?

  That was based on, I think, the Testa Rossa. It was like a modern, really cool looking car, in my opinion. They, they, it had a transmit, an audit, like sequential manual automatic that was developed by Cosworth and never finished. And it just doesn't work. And the Marconi Museum has one of them too, which is like in Orange County. And they were, they told me I could come review it, but the car doesn't drive and it never has driven. Like the car just, it doesn't.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  How Italian is that?

• 26:01Doug DeMuro?

  They shipped to Brunei before they had finished working on it.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  It's perfect. Don't drive it. Just let it sit there, which to be fair, the perfect place because none of these cars have been driven. So like.

• 26:11Doug DeMuro?

  You see the F90, go look up, take a, pull up a picture of the F90, then we'll move on from Brunei. Kenan, flip it. I don't care about Brunei. I think about Brunei every single day.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  I fully believe that that's true.

• 26:21Doug DeMuro?

  You don't need to salt the Brunei.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Thought that would be helpful.

• 26:24Doug DeMuro?

  F90.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 26:26Doug DeMuro?

  Is this, Filippo, click on this one. Click on this one. Is this the ugliest car? Oh, no, click on that one. That's in the garages. Is this the ugliest car you've ever seen?

• 26:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:34Doug DeMuro?

  But it's up there.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  It's up there.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. The Testerosa, yeah, the Testerosa wheels really center.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  I'm showing my ignorance here, but I didn't realize that each of these cars was named by the manufacturer.

• 26:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Now, Pininfarina did a lot of them, to be clear. What the Sultan would do is, I think, they contacted the Sultan, Jeffrey. They contacted Pininfarina through the Ferrari dealer in, apparently in Singapore. And Pininfarina was really responsible for doing a lot of this stuff, but it happened with Ferrari's blessing. The cars are badged as Ferraris generally. And yes, they were all named, even cars that never existed.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Ferrari was struggling as a company at that point. No wonder they blessed us. They just needed the money too. Instead of Pininfarina, everybody needed the money.

• 27:13Doug DeMuro?

  This was a big deal. This was a really, really big deal. These companies were totally willing. Now, it's worth pointing out that the Sultan and the family there still gets crazy cars. They still are buying hypercars.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Are they?

• 27:22Doug DeMuro?

  They are. Supposedly, they still, they bought a LaFerrara, et cetera, but not at the level, obviously, that they want.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Not like this.

• 27:29Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the thing I think that's so interesting about this story is like, if you or I were rich, and I mean, like, rich.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Really rich.

• 27:36Doug DeMuro?

  Like, could embezzle $14 billion before the country found out about it, rich? We would commission automakers to build us cars.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:44Doug DeMuro?

  And they did.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  It's like the dream.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  For me, that'd be so much more simple. 812 with a 6-speed manual. Like, there'd be stuff.

• 27:50Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? You say that, but if you were buying three cars a day, I think day 28, you'd buy that. Day 478, you'd be like, but can you make it float?

• 28:00Doug DeMuro?

  Like, I think that's what happened here. I think they did try to do the stuff you were talking about. Like, do you have this night vision? Because we like to drive fast at night. And then that turned into, can you make one with a swept back?

• 28:09Speaker 01

  But like, where were they driving? The country's 20 miles wide.

• 28:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but there were a couple of posts on the Brunei Instagram, and there are a couple of people who reply and were like, I was in Brunei in the 90s. I remember seeing this car on the road. There was a guy who said that about the XJ220C, which is a really cool-looking car. He was like, this was clearly one of their favorites because I remember in Brunei in the 90s, watching this car drive around. And it's like, oh.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  And wow.

• 28:34Doug DeMuro?

  Imagine seeking an in period.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  The dream, but this is easily one of, this is maybe the coolest thing that happened automotively speaking this year because it has been just shrouded in mystery for two decades.

• 28:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Legend.

• 28:47Doug DeMuro?

  Now, again, none of these cars, I think that were photographed have not been photographed. Like you, you pulled up the F 90, there were.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:53Doug DeMuro?

  That's true of almost all these, but it was interesting to see the states, the state they were in, and it was interesting to see just them all.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  And even more, it was a picture of a car. It was the cars around it that you're like, oh my God.

• 29:02Doug DeMuro?

  Right. You'd see a picture of a car and then next to it's an F 50 and then another F 50 and then a multi-color EB 110.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Yep. And then, and then a Venice and yeah, all that stuff.

• 29:10Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the multi-color EB 110 and then we'll move on.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. The EB, that is one of your.

• 29:13Doug DeMuro?

  Type in EB 110, Brunei. I bet it'll be the one that comes up, although they had several. And by the way, Brunei convinced, here's one of my favorite things about it. There it is. There's the multi-color EB 110.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Look at that interior.

• 29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Look at the wheels.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Oh, it's just like.

• 29:24Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. One of the, one of my favorite things about the EB 110 in general, Brunei convinced all these companies to build them right-hand drive versions of all these cars, except Bugatti. They're all, all the EB 110s are left-hand drive. Bugatti's like, yeah, we can't do that.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  We'll give you any money you want. No.

• 29:39Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, we literally can't do it. No matter how much money you have. Sorry. And needless to say, Bugatti went out of business after. The Italian Bugatti. Okay.

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• 31:30Doug DeMuro?

  We next move on to our talk cars segment where we talk about cars. Filippo, talk about cars with us.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have a gold plated Cybertruck that's live right now.

• 31:39Doug DeMuro?

  What's the deal with that?

• 31:40Speaker 01

  It, we did some car spying in it.

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  We did.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  It's very cool. It is actual gold plating. It's not a wrap.

• 31:44Doug DeMuro?

  Plating.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  The stainless steel was gold plated and then PPF'd over.

• 31:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Want to shut it out. It's being auctioned for charity. So all the, the full amount, the, the high bid, it's no reserve. We'll go to charity as will our buyer's fee. And if, it's very cool. Jerry rig, it's going to go to Jerry rig everything's charity, which is focused on, on his wheelchair creation project. But this car was also originally owned by MKBHD for his channel, or at least used by MKBHD for his channel. Stradman has reviewed it. Jerry rig everything has reviewed it. And I'm told, because this is being sold by Ridge Wallets, that if you win, you might get some, some wallets out of it.

• 32:19Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh, Kenan, some wallets for you.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  It's cool. You want your Cybertruck to be even more noticeable, but like.

• 32:26Doug DeMuro?

  We drove it around. People were freaking out.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  And in like a cool way. If it's a wrap, you know it's a wrap.

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Yeah. I would tell people, this is gold.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  This is the actual, and if there is something like 20 grand of gold. To like, it, there's real gold value in it.

• 32:39Doug DeMuro?

  This is real gold.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Do you have any real, real gold on you, Kenan?

• 32:43Doug DeMuro?

  Of course.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  On you?

• 32:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 32:46Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, our next talk cars topic, Kenan?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  So we happen to have cars that we went and reviewed in the desert and they have me sitting here at the office and so and I have drove the M5 a lot.

• 32:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  I drove. So it was time to drive the Cayenne. And so I went and drove around the Cayenne a little bit and I love it.

• 33:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  I absolutely.

• 33:08Doug DeMuro?

  Have you heard this?

• 33:08Speaker 02

  I have.

• 33:09Doug DeMuro?

  He fell in love with the Cayenne. I've been telling him since he got to San Diego, you need a Cayenne Turbo 12. I tell it to everybody, but I've especially been telling it to Ken.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, but you know, I'm an older man now.

• 33:19Doug DeMuro?

  He said to me yesterday, Kenon is a big thing. Kenon is like, I've only ever owned manuals. He said to me yesterday. It's getting kind of tiring to drive a manual everywhere.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Some, some, sometimes, um, sometimes it does, but it was just nice. More than that, though, it was nice to have a car that I really just didn't have to worry about. I could go through every dip and it was fast and it was comfortable and it was the, the full leather was so nice and the sound system is great and it's like.

• 33:44Doug DeMuro?

  You understand why people have daily driver cars now.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I, I, but then again, I think is if I just like the idea of an SUV or a car I don't have to care about, do I really like this car? The answer is I really like that.

• 33:56Doug DeMuro?

  Because it combines the things that everybody likes about an SUV. You sit up high, you don't have to worry about po- bumps, potholes, but with it's actually good to drive.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. And they're incredibly affordable. Like they are just around.

• 34:08Doug DeMuro?

  And reliable. And you agree that it was the right choice for our.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Well, no, I still chose the right car, but it was, it was, it's a good choice generally to have both is the correct decision. And that's more of what I'm thinking about.

• 34:17Doug DeMuro?

  I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  And so it's got me thinking, plus the M5 is so, I love the M5, but I really am getting, I, I'm very careful how I like when people are around, like, for whatever reason, people see that car on the highway and it gets more attention these days than it used to. I guess you just don't see nice ones anymore. And so it like, people come up and like, take pictures or like want to race, which I do not condone and don't do, but like it, it makes me a little nervous, like kind of nervous. And I know it's like a 240,000 mile car and I should be driving it. It's just an 89 M5. For most people, it's just a used car, but it's like, it's so special to me. It's like, it would be kind of nice to have a daily that I truly just don't have to care about.

• 34:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  And don't have to be as like, that I can actually open the. Toys case in.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  No, they're not that expensive to own or maintain.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  They can't appreciate that much like a first gen Cayenne Turbo is a 12, 13,000 car.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  So this is a 17, 20,000 car like you're totally.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  The floor. I agree. I am still concerned about like the consumables and like I started looking into issues that some of those cars have. The earlier ones had engine detonation problems where they would explode. That's, that's an issue. They did. Someone did have transfer case problems, but I think that like if you buy a 14 or later.

• 35:29Doug DeMuro?

  Ever heard that those cars are reliable and honestly, I mean, and they're, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying, Jen, like they get submitted to us all the time with crazy.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Miles. Exactly. And I think that's kind of the proof in the pudding that they, they can be reliable. Of course, like consumables are expensive. The tires are gigantic on that car. The brakes are expensive.

• 35:45Doug DeMuro?

  What you'd really want is, and maybe you wouldn't want this, but I think what a one, a person would want. The Cayenne Turbo, people don't know this, but the Cayenne Turbo, when it came out for 11, the standard wheel was actually a 19. Almost nobody got it, but the standard wheel, the 19, they called them the Cayenne Turbo wheel. But almost everybody upgraded to either the 20 inch RS spider wheel, or there was that 21 inch sport design craziness. This one has the turbo twos, I think, right?

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Yes, I think that's right.

• 36:09Doug DeMuro?

  But those were all bigger, but there is a smaller wheel that's more comfortable too, and presumably be cheaper. And the trick also would be to find a 75,000 mile car that's been well, well documented.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  I was thinking like 60 to 70,000 mile car and probably, yeah, probably spend 35.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Oh, you know, what are you going to buy 2019?

• 36:23Doug DeMuro?

  No, you would, you would want to get, but I think you would want, the goal of the car though, is something you don't have to worry about. You, you want to get a 15 to 20,000 dollar car.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  You also know that a 2021 will depreciate to 20 grand in a couple of years.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  I'm more worried about my, I'm more worried about maintenance. I want to do less.

• 36:37Doug DeMuro?

  Probably buys you. We've never done anything to that one.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  And it doesn't need that much. Things as you've said in the video.

• 36:43Doug DeMuro?

  Well, there's a few problems. So the fuel gate doesn't work.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  The window switch is like a 30 second fix.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  By the way, I went to start it. It had like 14 miles of range on it. So I went.

• 36:54Doug DeMuro?

  And then when you filled it up, it still said it had 14 miles of range.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Kind of the needle was said it had a quarter tank. So.

• 36:58Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you about Cayenne. You should get a Cayenne. You should get a Cayenne.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Didn't enjoy the Cayenne very much.

• 37:03Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody should get a.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  I drove the Cayenne around before we filmed.

• 37:06Doug DeMuro?

  He already has a board game.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  I just, I, I didn't.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  I did kind of wonder, it's like, do I really need another thirsty gas guzzling?

• 37:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:13Doug DeMuro?

  Get a Kaiyan hybrid. In 11, they came out that hybrid had the same supercharged V6 as the Audi S4. And it's actually pretty cool.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  It's a reliable engine.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  I haven't heard that many problems.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  I think they have carbon issues because of the direct injection.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Fine, you can buy, you can buy even the next hybrid, which has a different engine.

• 37:29Doug DeMuro?

  But you want the Audi S4 motor, then you can slap the hood and be like, there's an Audi S4 motor in this baby. Um, speaking of the challenges and the thing, can we talk about the thing?

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Okay, I, I need more than that.

• 37:42Doug DeMuro?

  We posted the last video where we did the cars in the desert. Every single response was Doug knew about the challenges beforehand because he created the challenges and so he screwed everybody. Folks, folks, this is not the way this works.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Can I, can I give context? We, meaning Ken and Doug and I and Nick, went out to the, brought four cars for under the cost of the cheapest car in America. Went out to the desert.

• 38:08Doug DeMuro?

  We, we did four enthusiast cars against the cheapest car in America. It was gonna be lovely. The Cayenne won every single challenge.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  That is factually inaccurate.

• 38:17Doug DeMuro?

  Because it is better.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  Factually inaccurate.

• 38:18Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you won the fuel economy challenge.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  And?

• 38:21Doug DeMuro?

  I think that was it.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Their hearts and minds.

• 38:24Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty sure that was it.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  I won because you, you cheated driving the racetrack.

• 38:29Doug DeMuro?

  Pause the video. So.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Point being.

• 38:32Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody was freaking out. Doug knew the challenges beforehand and so of course he won, he picked the car. Okay, let me tell you how this works. This, I think that the audience actually thinks that we were like, hey, let's go to the desert. Hey, hey guys, you want to go to the desert right now and just go drive? That's, this was planned. This is true of Top Gear too. Sean told me that Top Gear won an award for best unscripted show. The concept is laughable.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 38:53Doug DeMuro?

  Everything about it is, is scripted and that's true in this case as well. There's no, the movie magic is that you think it isn't scripted, okay? But we all bought the cars. We all bought the cars. We all knew what we're gonna do. There's 20 people on this shoot. Okay, like, there's no like spur of the moment, oh, we're gonna try this.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  I will say, before we decided on any of the challenges, you said, the only way I'm doing this is if you buy a Cayenne Turbo.

• 39:20Doug DeMuro?

  I was pitched the idea. I, by the way, I didn't even come up with the idea. Our producer came up with the idea. And when he pitched me the idea, I did not want to drive four hours to the desert and to do these things. And so I was like, I'll only do this if I can be in a comfortable car. I want to do a Cayenne Turbo. I decided on the car before we even decided on the challenges. Now, to be fair to the audience, the reason they think this is because I like read the challenges or something in the, in the video. But we only did that because the Top Gear way of doing it was like a off-camera producer hands them the challenges. And that's the right way to do it. But if you do it that way, it looks like you're copying Top Gear.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:52Doug DeMuro?

  So if we had done it that way, people would be like, you're just trying to copy Top Gear. Those would be the complaints we're getting instead.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  As it was.

• 39:57Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Which, anybody gets together to do anything with cars on.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  And the, the, the challenges are kind of a like, they're a way to move the story along, but they're not the point.

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  Also, the other funny thing was, the challenges were so obvious. It wasn't like, of course, we were gonna do a drag race, a rate like, what the hell else are we gonna do in the desert? Like, look at the cars?

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Oh, if we're gonna do that, the M5 one.

• 40:20Doug DeMuro?

  It just annoyed me so much that I was so disappointed. It was like, Doug cheated, Doug cheated, Doug hates to lose. Folks, I'll be honest with you. My primary goal being there was to finish shooting as quick as possible. Like, there was no attempt to like, you know, try to game the system, so I won. And I think all of us picked our cars before we decided the challenges. Isn't that right?

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we then built the challenges around, what do we think would be fun with these cars?

• 40:44Doug DeMuro?

  We did to an extent, but this was a collaborative thing that we all decided on. We just, the mistake we made, and we learn every time. And I've never done, you know, I've learned with my videos how not to piss people off. I'll never forget the time, I was thinking about this yesterday, that I filmed a Ferrari Roma, and I parked it on a handicap parking spot. Okay, now the parking spot was the owner of the Roma, it was his business, and it was closed. So he owned the parking lot, and it wasn't open for other people, and he owned the, and I still used to, and I've learned over time, though, what people get triggered by. And so I don't really get a lot of that anymore in my videos, because, but now we're doing a new format, and it's like, oh, people hate this, this, and this. So we gotta change that for next time. And so that was an interesting thing. We learned.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Well, I certainly hope there will be a next time. It was fun to make. I was tired at the end.

• 41:29Doug DeMuro?

  I'll do it next time, only if I can drive a Cayenne Turbo.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  No, it was a great challenge.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  The challenge is sports correlated.

• 41:37Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to tell you something. You, next time, you guys can make the challenge. I won't even be involved. So the audience doesn't think I'm cheating.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Oh, you'll be.

• 41:45Doug DeMuro?

  And I will only do it in a Cayenne Turbo.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  But a different one because we're selling that one on Cars and Bits or giving it to the winner of our giveaway, which you can enter by.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Yes, by buying merchandise on merch.carsandbids.com.

• 41:56Doug DeMuro?

  When is the giveaway over?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Next Thursday.

• 42:00Doug DeMuro?

  December 9th, which is, which is a Monday.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Yes, no purchase is necessary.

• 42:05Doug DeMuro?

  No purchase necessary. You can mail us something.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Yes, all the, everything's on merch.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  Or you can buy merch and you should because it's cool.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  It is.

• 42:13Doug DeMuro?

  That you're wearing it. Anyway, the point is, I didn't create the challenges and I'm sorry to everybody who thought that I cheated. The Cayenne Turbo is kind of like a cheating because it's so good.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  In a lot of ways, annoying as it is to say it, it's very good at a lot of things. And it's a bargain.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  The audience did get it right, though, that you hate to lose.

• 42:29Doug DeMuro?

  But.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  That is true. You have to win.

• 42:31Doug DeMuro?

  When it comes to production, what I want to be clear about something, when it comes to production, winning is finishing fast. Okay. Winning is leaving before the scheduled time. That's winning to me.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  So I was stuck around with the production crew to help at the end, but you had to go. So.

• 42:45Doug DeMuro?

  And so to me, winning in that case was just to get out of there. But anyway, the point is, I'm not a production guy, as everybody here knows, like I like low production quality, like get a lot of stuff done. I like content and production. A lot of people like production, content. That's like how most.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what the audience seemed to like. They did mine some production. It seemed like people were pretty happy with the way it looked.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  By the way, if you like.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Producer was thrilled with that.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Well-produced content that looks incredible, go watch it and then tell us what you think and whether we should do it again.

• 43:14Doug DeMuro?

  It does look good and it was fun and I may or may not have won. I don't remember, but whatever the challenges you come up with next time, Cayenne Turbo. Uh, okay.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Quite plausible.

• 43:22Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, tell us the next Talk Cars segment.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Oh, you guys are going to let me talk about this?

• 43:26Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to let you talk about it very briefly.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Wow, all right. I have been known from this podcast and in other videos talking about how I want a C7 Corvette. I've also talked about how I want a 997.2 911. I do kind of want both of those.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait. I've also talked about how I want an EV. I've also talked about how a minivan, a Kia Carnival.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I would love. It doesn't matter. Doug and Kenan have made a point off podcast about how I actually maybe don't care about that that experience. I don't want, I think I want to want a sports car, but it's not something I actually care about.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  You're an intellectual. You like to intellectualize.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  I would love a Saab nine three big end.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yes. And you start the process of thinking about that. You go through it and then that's enough for you.

• 44:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Kenan, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give a little backstory here because we haven't let Filippo talk about this for a few pods. Kenan is incredibly tired of hearing Filippo talk about cars he might buy. So much to the point that apparently in Kenan's friend group that doesn't include us, that Filippo is like a meme, someone that sends a car, like I might buy this and people like, no, you're just gonna Filippo it.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  My, my friend Ben, my friend Ben is listening on the east coast. He doesn't.

• 44:28Doug DeMuro?

  I bet there are other friend group text threads out there in the world that.

• 44:33Doug DeMuro?

  Like somebody says, I'm gonna buy a car. And oh, you're just Filippoing. But Doug had a, Kenan had a fair point that maybe that's actually, I want to want a sports car. I want to want what people think is cool. But actually, maybe I want quirky. So now I'm thinking about a Panda and I'm also thinking about a Fiat multiple.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  You know, if you go back like eight pods, I told them to get a Panda or a multiple.

• 44:49Doug DeMuro?

  I know. This goes back to everything I've ever said, which is that everybody should just listen to me before they do something.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Doug is always right. He always has to win.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Do you want to give a few other examples of people that?

• 44:58Doug DeMuro?

  And then Stradman won't end up with a $7 million house in the middle of nowhere in Utah. If he had called me first, I would have told him it was a bad idea. Actually, the Koenigsegg, I would have told him the Koenigsegg was a bad idea. Meanwhile, everything Whistling does is a great idea.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. But if you hear me talking, the future pods about a Panda or a multiple, that's why. I think like I'm starting to conceptualize that I don't actually need a sports car. I just want fun, weird cars.

• 45:22Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. I want you to get a multiple. I will help you buy it. I don't want you to say another thing until you have paid money for a car.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Then he won't be saying anything.

• 45:33Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want to hear anything. I don't want to hear anything.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  It will be in, I, so he's our, so he went from thinking he wants it to thinking about, my thought is he's gonna now go to thinking about importing it. Then he'll think about driving it and then he'll think about selling it and he'll be done. And that's about, I give that 10 days.

• 45:49Doug DeMuro?

  One of Kenan's things also, he thinks that Filippo can, he doesn't even need to own the car. He just mentally thinks through the whole process and then he's done. Filippo is a very cautious individual, very conservative. And so like, just thinking about it is often enough for Filippo. That is true. Let's be real, guys, wearing nice pants sucks. Everyone knows I'm a shorts guy, but sometimes pants are unavoidable. Who decided that stiff, uncomfortable fabric squeezing your legs was the key to looking sharp? Well, here's an early holiday gift from me to you. Those days are finally over. Public Rec's Daymaker Pants are here to make sure you stay comfy and classy this season. They feel like your favorite sweats, but they look like tailored pants. Yeah, super stretchy with an elastic waistband, so you can rock them anywhere.

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• 47:17Doug DeMuro?

  There are these market report things to talk about. The market report is brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. It's like Cars and Bids, but it's on your phone. By the way, Cars and Bids non-app can also be on your phone. Figure it out.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  You can download the Cars and Bids app on the iOS App Store.

• 47:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay. App, uh, Kenan, do you know, don't type it in yet, what we sold our last BMW i8 for?

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Oh, man, convertible or coupe?

• 47:41Doug DeMuro?

  Coupe.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Coupe. Was it Terra, what's the trim?

• 47:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Terror World.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Terror World.

• 47:46Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know the difference?

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's white with.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Do you know the other trim?

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Uh, I do, like, it's, uh, I knew there are three.

• 47:53Doug DeMuro?

  Giga World. Oh, yeah, there was three. It was Terror World, Giga World, and Mega World. Boom!

• 47:57Speaker 01

  I thought only that the i3 had a third trim.

• 47:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay, do you know what we sold our last i8 for? Cheapest one.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Can you give me some hints, Miles?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Uh, it doesn't matter.

• 48:05Doug DeMuro?

  Three cylinder hybrid.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  I was gonna say 42,000?

• 48:09Doug DeMuro?

  37,700.

• 48:11Doug DeMuro?

  Which brings me to my market report topic, i8s are getting cheap. Now, the i8, I liked the i8. I did a video review. I was positive about the i8. The, the general populace is-

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Was it 2017 too?

• 48:22Doug DeMuro?

  The general populace is not particularly supportive of the i8.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Can you blame the people?

• 48:26Doug DeMuro?

  At 37, it starts to become interesting, doesn't it? If you want to turn everybody's head, and Filippo does, he drives through Little Italy in his 500 a barth revving, right?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 48:35Doug DeMuro?

  If you want to turn everybody's head, yeah, but also just look at the, for the side. It still looks like a crazy concept car after all this time. It's a ridiculous looking car.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  And you never see them.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Birthing a 991.

• 48:45Doug DeMuro?

  How's that 10 years old? Birthing a 991. Is your a barth worth anything?

• 48:48Speaker 01

  No.

• 48:49Doug DeMuro?

  Just.

• 48:52Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, 37, we're a year or two away from this being a 29 car.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Which like, makes sense, but it's, it is still a sports car. It's not a good sports car, but it is a sports car.

• 49:01Doug DeMuro?

  Why is it not a good sports car? At 37, it starts to become a pretty interesting proposition, does it not?

• 49:06Speaker 01

  It's a bargain for sure.

• 49:07Doug DeMuro?

  360 horse, 420 pound feet, all sorts of things, three cylinder, two cylinder, nobody knows.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  You know how Nick is frothing to put his Quattroporte on Turo?

• 49:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  I think if you bought that for 37, put that on Turo for a reason, you could probably make money with that.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Are they reliable? Does anybody know?

• 49:22Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I would Turo one. If I could Turo one for 199 a day.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Almost 83,000 miles on it. I mean,

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 49:29Doug DeMuro?

  I'm just like, at 37, this critically panned car has to start looking appealing. It's like the Maserati Ghibli. There's a number where this car starts to look appealing and we're getting close to it. It's, it's fast, it looks cool, it was fun to drive, the interior's awesome. Yes, the exterior is awesome. I think this is a legitimately cool car. At 85, maybe not, but 37.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, bargain, agreed.

• 49:52Doug DeMuro?

  Would you get one at 22? No, you can't talk about buying a car. Would you get one at 22?

• 49:56Speaker 02

  For your daily.

• 49:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you could daily.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Imagine having an i8 and E39M5, past in the present.

• 50:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Well, past in the past, I guess, you know?

• 50:04Speaker 01

  But it still looks like a future.

• 50:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's like the past and the future.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  It does really look like.

• 50:08Doug DeMuro?

  The casual observer will think it's the past and the future.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Then you gotta climb over that huge sill and it's an automatic and I, you know.

• 50:17Doug DeMuro?

  I know, it's not, it's not that comfortable.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  But it is cool. I, I agree for 37,000.

• 50:22Doug DeMuro?

  All the haters have to admit, there's a number where it's like, huh, huh.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  I think every car is that way. If it starts out expensive, there is a number eventually gets to it, becomes appealing.

• 50:31Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next market report topic. Felipe's got something to tell us about Porsche's surprising.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, surprisingly enough, we sold earlier this week a 996 Targa.

• 50:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  And, uh, a few months ago, we also sold a 997 Targa, the Doug review.

• 50:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  That's all thread.

• 50:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  And it just, it's so notable how much of a premium they command.

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  That 997 Targa, pull up that 997.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Eighty grand.

• 50:51Doug DeMuro?

  That 997 Targa rang the bell. It went for turbo.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  The bell. Agreed. Like, and that's a dot one.

• 50:57Doug DeMuro?

  Even.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  And by the way, having spent a bunch of time looking at dot one and dot two values, a cab with that miles and a stick, an oh seven cab is a thirty, thirty.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Thirty five.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:08Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, right? Like, that's a more than two X premium.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  You know what's funny?

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  And on nine nine sixes, it was true too, right? Like a cab with that miles is. Interestingly, not true on nine nine threes. You know what's funny is that, um, when I worked at Porsche, I was there in nine nine seven point two. Targa was one of our cars. We couldn't find anybody to take it. The, it was just not cool enough. It was just, it was a hatchback. People were like, ah, there's no point in hanging up.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  It was a hatchback, which is weird. We didn't know.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, I knew.

• 51:35Doug DeMuro?

  But it was a hatchback and it, it didn't look special. The only way you could tell apart a nine nine seven Targa from a coupe was.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  The roof? I don't know.

• 51:44Doug DeMuro?

  On this, on the side. You don't know? Ken, do you know?

• 51:46Speaker 02

  On the side. Uh.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  I mean, the roof.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Window situation here. The, yeah, it doesn't have the like curve, right?

• 51:52Doug DeMuro?

  The silver.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  The silver, yeah.

• 51:55Doug DeMuro?

  The Targas had the silver strip over the window.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Was there a sunroof available on the coupes that looked similar to the?

• 52:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, not a nine nine seven. Nine nine one ended up getting like a full, full car sunroof, but then for nine nine one, they changed the target to be cool. It is interesting though. I don't think this is uncool. I shouldn't say that. I don't think it's uncool. I think it's actually really cool, but I am surprised to see people paying up for it.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And nine nine six targets are also not any more different than.

• 52:16Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  To coupes.

• 52:17Doug DeMuro?

  But nonetheless, people pay.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  People pay.

• 52:19Doug DeMuro?

  You know, anything special in the Porsche world. At the end of the day, a nine eleven is not a special car. Like truthfully, you see a bunch of them. It's not a, so what's special about it is if you can get a weird color or a weird option or a weird body style like this, suddenly you have something cool.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:34Doug DeMuro?

  And so there you go. 997 Target. I loved it.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Kenan, have you considered commissioning a convertible Cayenne Turbo?

• 52:41Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Porsche did the one. Porsche did the one.

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche did one. There was a concept.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  And Newport, whatever, did several.

• 52:48Doug DeMuro?

  They did that heinous one, but Porsche did their own. You ever seen this?

• 52:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:52Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche Cayenne Turbo convertible.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Was it turbo?

• 52:54Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, just type in images. It'll, it'll, it'll come up. This is Porsche's.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 52:58Doug DeMuro?

  Purportedly, it's in the museum. I've never seen it. I've been to the museum a couple of times.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:02Doug DeMuro?

  But they maybe have it in there. They probably don't keep this in their top. This probably isn't next to the all time greats.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  No, but hey, they went with the Miami pink and the London blue lighting.

• 53:15Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. This, needless to say, not a particularly attractive automobile.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  No.

• 53:19Doug DeMuro?

  Quite ugly. Quite. But this was Porsche.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Tragic.

• 53:22Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't they do the rear? Wasn't there two rears? I, I thought this was like a concept. So anyway, this was a rear thing, real thing that they were thinking about. And needless to say, oh yeah, there are two. Oh, that's some other car. I don't know.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a comparison.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that, that's from Porsche newsroom. So who knows?

• 53:37Doug DeMuro?

  I thought there were two. Anyway, the point is that's real.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  And weird, even if they're not that different, 911s do well.

• 53:43Doug DeMuro?

  That would sell for real money.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  Oh, what indeed.

• 53:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Kenan, give us your S-Class take, which is fantastic.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Such a good take.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  So I, we have often talked about cars that are, you, you look, you drive around in it, you look rich.

• 53:56Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. But they don't cost a lot.

• 53:58Doug DeMuro?

  V70 cross country.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  That there is a new, a, a new challenger to that. One that we sold recently. We sold this 2015 S550.

• 54:05Doug DeMuro?

  How much?

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Oh my God, no way. $1,450. Now it had miles, 92,100 miles, but no accidents.

• 54:11Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I remember seeing this when it was a new car. I did a video review of this car.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  They are. And there is nothing about that that looks inexpensive. That is, that is a rich person's car.

• 54:20Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, fake badge on the side.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  I mean, fake badge, but that's easier.

• 54:23Doug DeMuro?

  Go back. Is this common? Is this what they're going for?

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Because we, I was gonna say the same thing about 750i.

• 54:28Doug DeMuro?

  24.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  24.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:29Doug DeMuro?

  The coupe is at 37.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  I know. That's where these are.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  They are coming down.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  The one that we just sold was low, but it, for the miles and I think it might have had an accident.

• 54:36Doug DeMuro?

  16.5.

• 54:38Doug DeMuro?

  You can just type in W two two. Okay. Sixteen, five, twenty two, five. Oh, my God.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  That's what they're getting.

• 54:43Doug DeMuro?

  I was not aware that these were this cheap. The thing that makes this especially proves your point is that these still look like the new S.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  They do.

• 54:49Doug DeMuro?

  Cause the new S class that just came out, they kind of went for the small evolution instead of a new totally. And so like, if I pulled up in this, a lot of people think I have a brand new car.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Right. And now thinking, uh, cause I honestly didn't realize they were this inexpensive. Uh, I may have picked one for the challenge. This would have been a good car, but.

• 55:04Doug DeMuro?

  Click on this one. What, what, why did this one go so cheap? Sixteen, how many miles is that?

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Hundred and forty two thousand miles.

• 55:09Doug DeMuro?

  Go to the interior. Go to the interior. I just want to see the clown smile. You remember the clown smile?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  I do.

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  Go, go, look at this. This has held up beautifully. It's white. It has pillows.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  It has. It's still fluffy.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  How do I not have one of these? Just as let's screw around car for fourteen thousand US.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  It's quite a bargain. I mean. Quite a bargain. I already have a heavily depreciated Mercedes. I've already had the second one.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  I mean, look at that. That is a rich looking interior. That quilting.

• 55:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I mean. It's also held up so well. How, man, Mercedes quality has gotten so much better than it was in the Felipe era.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Look, even, even the smell thing is full in the glove box. So what, what's that called?

• 55:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the scent, the like interior scent.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Yes. As a matter of fact, on the bookshelf behind us, I have all of the scents, all four of them.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  So you can buy and then use them.

• 55:52Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, this I cannot.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Here the daily driver for you.

• 55:54Doug DeMuro?

  Obviously every S class depreciates, but the problem is that usually by the time the S class is depreciated to this level, it looks like a cheap used car. Like the, the previous gen, which by the way, I love how they look. The one that was sold from oh seven to, to fourteen.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  It looks great. I love it. I would love an S six hundred of that gen.

• 56:09Doug DeMuro?

  Love that car, but it looks like a used, like it's old now. This does not look old.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 56:14Doug DeMuro?

  Amazing. I did not realize they were that cheap.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  I will say, by the way, all of them are the, the, pull in, pull up a seven fifty I BMW seven fifty I.

• 56:22Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  But we sold one that was a twenty seventeen, two days ago for eighteen something. Uh, yeah, that twenty, no, we sold more of this than that. So you might have to add I, I can't remember.

• 56:34Doug DeMuro?

  Lord.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Which is something to consider. Yeah. There's a 2016 for 19, 2015 for like, they're all of them that are used cars and the 2016 was a new gen.

• 56:42Doug DeMuro?

  The BMWs though don't quite do it for me.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  I agree with that. They don't look quite as.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Even more afraid of reliability, having owning an old.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  It's also more that, I don't know, they look like the used car that they are like, which is fine because the price point they are used. Looks like a new car.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  Told a year ago, that's the current gen.

• 56:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but the other problem is the new gen seven series looks totally different. And so you could never really.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  But like, all of these are sub 20, which is wild.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  Mercedes to me just.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Mercedes is a car.

• 57:07Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, that is crazy. I cannot believe this is what these cost. Pick up one of these with a CarMax warranty, call it a day.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  That's not a bad idea.

• 57:15Doug DeMuro?

  The problem is CarMax won't sell stuff like this. You have to just kind of roll the dice a little, but if you're, if you're rolling dice at 16, five.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  How much do you really stand to lose?

• 57:22Doug DeMuro?

  Get one of these for your day.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Well, you said that I bought my M5 for 11, three and I'm in it way more than that.

• 57:27Doug DeMuro?

  You're in it for like 70, but it's probably worth 40. So you're doing all right.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's only 30 grand over.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Can you pull that 20, the third one in there? The, the 60, the one that was 65, what color is that? The black or is that?

• 57:39Doug DeMuro?

  This is your daily.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Ruby black.

• 57:40Doug DeMuro?

  Ruby black.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Ruby black.

• 57:41Doug DeMuro?

  Ken, buy this as your daily. You, I would be so jealous.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  S-Class as a daily would be.

• 57:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, Ken, driving everyone to black S-Class?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Maybe it's silver. If I give it in silver, I would be.

• 57:51Doug DeMuro?

  There are silver ones. These are the good wheels. There are some bad wheels, by the way. Go back. There's, we, I saw. There's one that's really bad. I think this wheel was not S-Class worthy. It, it looks like.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  Looks like an E-Class wheel.

• 58:02Doug DeMuro?

  It looks like an E-Class wheel. Other than that, pretty cool. Wow. That's amazing. I didn't realize.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you want some cheap luxury.

• 58:08Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, the Lexus LS is also heavily depreciated and is reliable, but it does not have the rich dude look. It never did.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  And that gen is not as reliable as the earlier.

• 58:16Doug DeMuro?

  The new LS is not as reliable?

• 58:17Speaker 01

  New one, I've only heard good things about the one before that, which would be.

• 58:20Doug DeMuro?

  The LS 460?

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was.

• 58:22Doug DeMuro?

  No, those are reliable.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  The last time we talked about Lexus LSs on a, I don't remember if it was a Cars and Bids video or a podcast, we got a lot of notes saying that generation is not as reliable.

• 58:32Doug DeMuro?

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• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  How great they are.

• 1:00:27Doug DeMuro?

  How great they are.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  How controversial they are.

• 1:00:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true. You want to ask Kenan questions about his, his drug history? We'll, we'll do it.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Non-existent. Advil occasionally when I have a headache.

• 1:00:40Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, questions. The first question comes from Munworth Crowell. If you all had to have, this is gonna be the whole, the only question we're gonna get to. If you all had to have the exact same car as your daily driver, bought with your own money, what car would you agree on?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Your E450 Altair. If they mean for this series, the Cayenne.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love the E450.

• 1:00:57Doug DeMuro?

  Really? You take that over this S-Class? An S-Class?

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Well, no. That we own, like, that we own right now.

• 1:01:02Doug DeMuro?

  No, I think the question is, you had, we have all to agree on any car, but we have to all agree on, we all have it.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Why wouldn't it be a Cayenne Turbo? Well, it's him.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  An S214 E450 Altair.

• 1:01:17Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you. What about him?

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  I like the E450 Altair, but it is.

• 1:01:20Doug DeMuro?

  As a daily driver? He'd rather have a Cayenne Turbo, that's the problem. I'll take a Cayenne Turbo, but he won't.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  What if I want to?

• 1:01:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's too much performance for him, it's too much car for him.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Every car is too much, too much performance for Felipe.

• 1:01:31Doug DeMuro?

  I've agreed on both of them.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Oh, but I wouldn't buy an S214 with my own money. There's an overhaul where I've.

• 1:01:36Doug DeMuro?

  That's the other problem. It says you have to buy it with your own money, so you'd have to pony up for an S214.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Cayenne Turbo for 15?

• 1:01:41Doug DeMuro?

  I would get an S213 non-Altair.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  I don't love the 2017, the pre-Faceless.

• 1:01:47Doug DeMuro?

  I don't love it as much either.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  No, I just don't love it.

• 1:01:50Doug DeMuro?

  Would you get a non-Altair in regular E-Class station wagon?

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Keep in mind, that's 35. Wouldn't you buy a 2017 Cayenne GTS for the same price?

• 1:01:57Doug DeMuro?

  Me, no, but I think a lot of people would.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  I think that would probably be what I could agree with.

• 1:02:01Doug DeMuro?

  I'm in a post-high-performance daily driver world.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Cayenne hybrid, Cayenne hybrid.

• 1:02:07Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't want to plug it in.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Why not?

• 1:02:09Doug DeMuro?

  Because you gotta plug that in, I gotta, one more thing to remember. Me and Ken have enough going on.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  You don't have to plug it in.

• 1:02:15Doug DeMuro?

  He wants us to plug in our car.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Plug in, you gotta plug that in.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Plug in hybrid, Cayenne. If you, if you want, because Ken, I know you love BMW, the X5 also available.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  X5 is a very good car.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  And by the way, X5 plug-in hybrid's cheap.

• 1:02:26Doug DeMuro?

  Off the good stuff. Okay, the answer is, we cannot come to a conclusion, but we're close.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  We're all too different.

• 1:02:30Doug DeMuro?

  Some sort of German vehicle with a tailgate and a luxury car, probably not a performance car, and a few years old.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  We all drive variations of that. I think Ken's is older. And doesn't have

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Almost a classic and it does not have a

• 1:02:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but he's gonna get a Cayenne Turbo. Okay, next question from Drake Hall. Doug, when giving your take, do you ever have to hide your disdain for cars you actually don't like? So on every auction for cars and vans, I write a Doug's take and the editors write it, our editing team writes it, but I edit every single one, literally all of them.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  He genuinely looks at all of them.

• 1:03:04Doug DeMuro?

  Your car's been sold on the site. I edited the Doug's take and looked at your pictures and sent Ken on a note like, what are these pictures?

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  And then I fix it to the correct picture for it, but we'll move on.

• 1:03:13Doug DeMuro?

  So the answer is not really in mostly because by the time we put the cars up, they're depreciated. Like the Ghibli is the best example and people sometimes will like send me notes being like, you're lying when you say the Ghibli is good. The last Ghibli we sold for 14.5. There was actually a 23 we sold before that, but we sold the 17 for 14.5. This one or not sold, I guess, as it were, you get the point 16, 18. Even I can recognize some value here. Like I beat that car up when it was new at 85 at 16.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So anyway, there are some cars where the disdain is evident in the Doug's take, but usually the cars were. Well, I'll let people in on a little secret. Whenever there are like, cause Doug hates like black wheels or aftermarket wheels on cars. Whenever he does that, I'll put that it's eye catching or like the color is really bad, eye catching.

• 1:04:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. There are some coded language. If I think that, right, if I think that something isn't good, instead of saying attractive or beautiful, I'll change it to eye catching. Also, I noticed sometimes the editors will be like, the whatever is an amazing car and I'll like dial it back. It's a great car.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  I may, may not have made that mistake.

• 1:04:25Doug DeMuro?

  I do dial it back. Sometimes I do make changes, but I mean, if you look at the stuff on the site, go to this, go to what we have listed right now. Like scroll through it and you tell me if there's anything you don't think is cool. Like I think there's great stuff to say about basically every car we have on the site right now. Like what, what here wouldn't you say, yeah, well, this is a cool car. I'm a mini guy. I a lot of.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Excellent hot hatch.

• 1:04:44Doug DeMuro?

  I'm a big mini guy. There's no, there's no lying on a mini auction. I think minis are cool as hell. I still do.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  I like minis.

• 1:04:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's XC90. Love a good Volvo. I like slingshots like crazy. They're cool.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  I do too. Really fun to drive. Does sound agricultural, but it was fun to drive and boy.

• 1:04:59Doug DeMuro?

  You wanted to be an automatic. Yeah, you want an automatic, but the manual is fun to drive. Like legitimately, none of these cars keeps scrolling like they're none of these cars are bad or

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  We're listening to them because there's something interesting like we have, we have that diesel Passat. Is that Passat the best one? Maybe not, but the diesel one is special and there's like a value prop to it.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  I also have, I also have to say Doug is genuinely enthusiastic about so many cars.

• 1:05:23Doug DeMuro?

  An assortment, more than almost anybody I know. Like I like Japanese, I like Korean, I like German, like I have, and I've had them all. Like I've had cars from every country.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  You gotta love this.

• 1:05:33Doug DeMuro?

  What is this sold for?

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:05:36Doug DeMuro?

  We'll talk off pod.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Colorado, it's not that far away.

• 1:05:39Doug DeMuro?

  How many miles is that?

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Forty, forty thousand four hundred.

• 1:05:41Doug DeMuro?

  That's a cool car.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  That's a, yeah, in a color. Yeah. MX three M competition.

• 1:05:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's a cool car. Those are so.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  In Toronto, red metallic.

• 1:05:49Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, the answer is no, I don't really have to lie out. Sometimes you flowery language it a little bit, but we, like you said, we run the cars because they're interesting and so they're generally pretty cool.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  Or cars we have a lot of, you can always, I use the three thirty five.

• 1:06:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Nineties, but it is, but it is a cool car and they are great values.

• 1:06:04Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Next question from Shane Rogers. When can we expect you to be on the Joe Rogan podcast? This is the this car podcast. We're better than that.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:06:13Doug DeMuro?

  We don't need no Joe Rogan stuff up in here.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  You don't want any elk?

• 1:06:17Doug DeMuro?

  Is there elk on the Joe Rogan pod?

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  The big elk proponent.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Well, the elk is tasty.

• 1:06:21Doug DeMuro?

  If they got elk in the room.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  How do you know that?

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Wisconsin, man.

• 1:06:25Doug DeMuro?

  If they got elk in the room, I would go to the Joe. Do they got, do they have an elk?

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  I would imagine he probably has.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  In Wisconsin, but I had friends that would go legitimately on vacation to, to travel and go hunting other places.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  He's trying to out midwestern me. You can have it.

• 1:06:38Doug DeMuro?

  No, he doesn't. He wants to dial back. He doesn't want people to think he went and shot an elk.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:42Doug DeMuro?

  We, we can't talk about what he did with the moose.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  I, I want to recognize that there aren't really states that elk came from elsewhere.

• 1:06:49Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right. Okay. Next question from two oh eight GMC Sierra. Are you going to do your annual smoking tire podcast this year? Every year at Christmas, I go on the smoking tire podcast. This year is no different. Going there next week. I can't wait.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:07:00Doug DeMuro?

  I love podcasting with a real podcaster.

• 1:07:04Doug DeMuro?

  Also, you have said publicly, so I'll repeat it here, that Zach Clapman, you think is one of the funniest people?

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  He is so funny.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  I think that Zach Clapman is the funniest person in the car world. And a lot of what he says is funny, but the way he delivers stuff, I just, is perfect for my humor. I'll never forget. Here's a great Zach Clapman. It's, the audience isn't going to find this funny, but I think it's hilarious. Zach Clapman tells me the following story. He's like, he's got a Crown Vic and he, Crown Vic's like the very end, they offered hubcaps for like, and you could get a set at the Ford parts counter for 20 bucks. And Zach Clapman's like, I'm filling up my car the other day and the guy comes up to me and he's like, wow. He, another Crown Vic owner comes up to me, he's like, wow, look at these hubcaps. And Zach's like, he's, he's like walking around, looking at each individual hubcap, like really getting into it. And Zach's like, you know, man, you could be in this world.

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's not, it's not hard. Like, you could just go buy these for like 25 bucks. And I just, that kind of Zach Clapman delivery is just beautiful.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  He should have popped them off and get them really good.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Zach's very funny. He does, he's done stand up and like writes comedy, like it shows. He just is so quick on the draw too. He's, he's just a really funny guy. And Matt's wonderful too.

• 1:08:14Doug DeMuro?

  Of course. Matt is, Matt is a hero and a fellow Countach owner.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  That's right. Yeah, they even, hasn't seen his in a while.

• 1:08:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's one of the big things I'm excited to talk to him about.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  I'm very excited to hear.

• 1:08:24Doug DeMuro?

  What is the status of his Countach?

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  What's going on?

• 1:08:27Doug DeMuro?

  I remember when he had a Countach. Okay. He probably does too. Okay. Next question from, we're going to do one more. I'm going to pick this one.

• 1:08:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, here's a good one for Ken. Yeah. Logue and summer. What are some enthusiast cars that if dropped into your garage for free, with an unlimited warranty, no cost, no hassle, would you still turn down and refuse to drive solely due to the stereotype or stigma that it carries?

• 1:08:56Doug DeMuro?

  That's a great one.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  That's a great one to upset a lot of people.

• 1:08:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What, what thing are you going to say here that upsets people?

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, there's one I, I just want to really want, but I don't want the stigma because we live in San Diego. There's a lot of military presence here and a lot of military guys drive it. Yeah, Hellcat's one.

• 1:09:13Doug DeMuro?

  You anti-military?

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  I would drive a Hellcat.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  No, I just don't want to look like a lot of the military guys who buy that, like they get their first check, they go to Penn Fed, finance themselves to the gills, they buy that and they drive around and they straight pipe it, they do burnouts everywhere and they're irritating to most people.

• 1:09:30Doug DeMuro?

  The Hellcat owners, I think, are one of the few owner groups that would admit that they themselves have a problematic stigma. Like, I think G-Wagon owners won't say, I've talked to so many G-Wagon owners, like, what are you talking about? What do you mean that there's a stigma? No. And it's like, okay, you're crazy.

• 1:09:45Doug DeMuro?

  Like, okay, nice to meet you. I'll see you later. But Hellcat owners know, you know, there's some stuff going on there.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's, that's probably, because I mean, how cool would it be, even just like an early Hellcat, have 707.

• 1:09:56Doug DeMuro?

  I would drive a Hellcat in spite of the stigma.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Without doubt.

• 1:09:58Doug DeMuro?

  Car that I wouldn't drive.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Would you drive around in a G63 MG?

• 1:10:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  You would now?

• 1:10:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  There was a time.

• 1:10:05Doug DeMuro?

  The Stig would suck, but I would do it. But I don't, right? Like, I'm not actually doing it, but I would, like, if it was in this scenario.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Another one's like any modern McLaren.

• 1:10:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I was thinking about McLarens. McLarens are definitely up there. McLarens tell everybody, I got rich yesterday in crypto and I don't know that much about cars.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Could you drive around in a Huracan?

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tracy Colmas, yeah.

• 1:10:23Doug DeMuro?

  Huracan, yeah.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  You would do a Huracan?

• 1:10:26Doug DeMuro?

  I've tried to buy a Huracan.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  A non-Storada?

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  The Lambos are getting cooler.

• 1:10:30Doug DeMuro?

  I would prefer a Storada, but I would do an STO. Performante is an amazing car.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Performante is an incredible car.

• 1:10:35Doug DeMuro?

  The problem is, you, you are driving around and people look at you and think this person knows nothing about cars.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  But it's a good enough car that it overcomes that.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:10:44Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I can't think of any car that I would just straight up turn down. Hummer H2 wouldn't be, no, I'd drive a Cybertruck if I had it.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Daily drive it?

• 1:10:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's not what it said.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:10:53Doug DeMuro?

  Wouldn't daily it. I'd off-road it. I mean, Hummer H2 would be tough.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Hummer in general, yeah. You had a Hummer. There was, people didn't look at you fondly when you had it.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Now, now they would. It's changed, the world's changed.

• 1:11:05Doug DeMuro?

  Flippies ride around with me in that Hummer. I can't think of any car that I would straight up turn down because of the, because of the stigma.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  It's not a good car, maybe.

• 1:11:15Doug DeMuro?

  There are cars that I would be really reticent to drive, but if it was free and warranty, like, I'd probably, what about, wait, what about like Jeep Boomer mobiles? What about like a Firebird, like a 80s, you know?

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Doug DeMuro?

  Like a six cylinder Mustang.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Beretta.

• 1:11:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, a Beretta. I'd drive a Beretta.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  But you're right.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Any Buick.

• 1:11:37Doug DeMuro?

  Any Buick? You wouldn't drive a Park Avenue Ultra?

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  You wouldn't drive a Regal G?

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  I want to take that back. Any modern Buick. Yeah.

• 1:11:42Doug DeMuro?

  You wouldn't drive a Regal G? I think maybe one of those. No, I would definitely drive a Grand National. I would definitely drive. But there are some, like a V6 fourth gen.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:54Doug DeMuro?

  An auto, an auto C5. No, it's still.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  No, I'd drive that. Yeah.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  It's a good, it's a good point.

• 1:11:59Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, man.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  I wouldn't want it, but I would obviously drive it around.

• 1:12:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, maybe like real old guy cars, like an Oldsmobile 98 or something like.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  One more, one more to top it off. I did borrow one while my M5 was in for service. I just can't do a WRX STI. Like, man, people look at you like they absolutely hate you.

• 1:12:16Doug DeMuro?

  I would do that car in a heartbeat. I'd get one now. I was just yesterday thinking about getting a new WRX.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  So was I.

• 1:12:20Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, let's split one. No, you're not allowed to talk about buying a car. Watch yourself. Okay.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  I thought I was thinking about them.

• 1:12:27Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, uh, there you go. Those are our questions. That's our podcast. It was the best podcast we've ever done.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  It was a good one, actually.

• 1:12:33Doug DeMuro?

  Mainly thanks to Kenan and his tan jacket.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

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• 1:12:37Doug DeMuro?

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• 1:12:39Doug DeMuro?

  But tweet Filippo. Filippo needs some Twitter followers.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

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• 1:12:45Doug DeMuro?

  Do something.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

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• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  I actually don't know.

• 1:12:49Doug DeMuro?

  Thank you so much, everybody, for watching. We'll see you next week.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Goodbye.