Best NFL Offseason Advice, Kelce Mock Drafts, and Dumb Questions with a Salary Cap Expert | EP 134

92%ers welcome back to another episode of New Heights brought to you by our friends at Suave Men! On today’s episode, we find out how Jason feels about his Sports Emmy nomination, which R-rated movies were allowed in the Kelce house growing up, and we recap Rory McIlroy’s emotional roller coaster of a win at The Masters. We also dive into the NFL offseason and discuss which workouts are actually helpful, what advice the guys would give rookies, and why Jason still doesn’t believe in stretching. We also kick off our first-ever conversation with an NFL expert. Today we are joined by former Eagles VP of Football Administration, Jake Rosenberg, who graciously answers all of our dumb questions about the salary cap. If you enjoyed our conversation with Jake, make sure to give him a follow on Twitter https://x.com/jakerosenberg33 and check out https://theathletegroup.com/ For even more New Heights, check out our New Heights YouTube Membership! As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, bonus videos, badges, and other stuff that will make you stand out. You can also listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheights Support the Show: SUAVE MEN: No Nonsense Self-Care for Men. Find NEW deodorants in stores nationwide. AMERICAN EXPRESS: For full terms and to learn more about the powerful backing of American Express, visit https://americanexpress.com/withAmex THE FARMER’S DOG: Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at https://TheFarmersDog.com/newheights https://thefarmersdog.com/newheights. Plus, you get FREE shipping! ALL STATE: Checking first is smart. So, check https://Allstate.com https://allstate.com first for a quote that could save you hundreds. ACCELERATOR: Click the link below to get a case of the Kelce Brothers’ favorite energy drink! https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/FB06B38E-F0C2-479F-9DA5-FD4A1C852B07?channel=NewHeights2025 DRAFT KINGS: Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/newheights http://dkng.co/newheights or through my promo code NEWHEIGHTS. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Help is available for problem gambling. Call (888) 789-7777 or visit ccpg.org (CT).18+ in most eligible jurisdictions, but other age and eligibility restrictions may apply. Valid only in jurisdictions where DraftKings Pick6 operates. Pick6 not available everywhere, including, but not limited to NY, and CA-ONT (for up-to-date list of jurisdictions please visit pick6.draftkings.com/where-is-pick6-available). Void where prohibited. 1 per new Pick6 customer. $5+ first Pick Set to receive $50 issued as non-withdrawable Pick6 Credits that expire in 14 days (336 hours). Ends 5/4/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Terms:pick6.draftkings.com/promos Sponsored by DraftKings See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:32Speaker 01

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• 1:30Speaker 02

  To realize the future America needs, we understand what's needed from us to face each threat head-on. We've earned our place in the fight for our nation's future. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 1:43Travis Kelce?

  It was like seven or eight years in a row where I had off-season surgery.

• 1:48Speaker 04

  It might have been blessings for us. Forces you to not-

• 1:51Travis Kelce?

  If you should be in the fucking building, I would have been fucking out of here!

• 1:56Speaker 04

  Right, especially as a young player. As my man Charles Barkley says, "You got somebody with the money and time and bad habits, and it ain't a matter of if, it's a matter of when."

• 2:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Chuck.

• 2:11Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondry Show, produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Suave Men. No-nonsense self-care for men. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce, as is my big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cavs, baby.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:29Travis Kelce?

  Playoff basketball, baby. Let's go, man. Let's go. Number one seed. God, you gotta love it, man. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Okay, first I gotta touch on this no-nonsense self-care. Have you ever, do you remember Brian Regan, the stand-up comedian?

• 2:52Travis Kelce?

  I'm better with faces with comedians.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  I'm pretty sure Regan had a bit where he would, the, the no-nonsense, well, what about the nonsense self-care? Like, and that's all I can think of is like, no-nonsense, like, are they just saying all the other self-care is nonsense self-care?

• 3:09Travis Kelce?

  I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they're saying.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  What's a nonsense self-care for men item? Beard oil?

• 3:15Travis Kelce?

  No. No.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  That feels pretty nonsensical to me.

• 3:19Travis Kelce?

  No, I think beard oil's solid.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  Solid? That's, that's a no-nonsense? What else is self-care for men? What's another men product?

• 3:26Travis Kelce?

  Um, another men product, uh...

• 3:30Speaker 04

  No-nonsense?

• 3:32Travis Kelce?

  Nonsense would probably be like...

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Gold Bond powders? Like, what do we, why does that product still exist?

• 3:37Travis Kelce?

  You're right. Now with like compression shorts, you don't need that stuff.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  And even if without compression shorts, they gotta make some type of gel that is more efficient than this powder getting all over the fucking place.

• 3:49Travis Kelce?

  No, man. The powders, you gotta keep it dry. That's what keeps it sliding around. The, if you put a lubricant in there, it'll get too fucking moist.

• 3:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they make those gels that have like a powdery gel. It just seems a little archaic to be throwing like cornstarch zinc oxide dust into the air and then rubbing it on your pants.

• 4:10Travis Kelce?

  You're big, you're big. All right.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  I'm a big Chaffey guy. I know, I do my research on my ingredients.

• 4:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, and you're big on the environment. I didn't know that.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  That's right. I'm all into no-nonsense self-care. This nonsense self-care can kick rocks. All right. Coming up on this episode, we've got another great episode for you guys. It's uh mostly just gonna be the fellas today. That's right.

• 4:31Travis Kelce?

  Heyo.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Hope you enjoyed all the guests we've had on and yes, we have heard your feedback. We will have a Chiefs player on soon. Note to Travis, please ask a Chief so that they can stop bitching at Brandon and Jake that we don't have any Chiefs on.

• 4:44Travis Kelce?

  I didn't realize we didn't have any Chiefs on. I got the perfect guy.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  Who's, who we rolling with? Creed, Trey?

• 4:50Travis Kelce?

  I just said that so that it could like lead up to.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Okay, just so we don't have the perfect guy yet. Okay. Well, Creed, I'm hoping it's you. Anyways, today, we're gonna check in with the NFL offseason. That's right. A lot of things happening. The draft is coming up.

• 5:04Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  It's exciting time in the NFL landscape. Teams are back in the building. Next week, I guess some are back in this week, maybe. We're also gonna do a little mock draft ourselves.

• 5:14Travis Kelce?

  How about it?

• 5:15Speaker 04

  In the form of an NFL draft around some nonsense categories. Um, and also, our first NFL expert will be stopping by. We talked about, we talked about a couple of weeks ago doing a salary cap episode.

• 5:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 04

  We're gonna have a salary cap expert on the episode today.

• 5:33Travis Kelce?

  The 92 percenters, uh, they, they spoke up.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  They did. Hopefully, this is the start to a bunch of NFL experts, whether it's equipment managers, people that work in the league office. I'd love to take this show to new heights. I think both Travis and I would. Like to take the show to new heights and our fanbase to new heights with our understanding of the inner workings of the NFL. That's right.

• 5:53Travis Kelce?

  With you.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Alrighty, now it's time for new news.

• 5:57Travis Kelce?

  New news coming in high.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  New news is brought to you by American Express.

• 6:02Travis Kelce?

  Yes, it is. It is. Right now. Don't leave home without it.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  New news. I've been nominated for outstanding personality in emerging on-air talent, Sports Emmy.

• 6:13Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, you're up against Ryan Fitzpatrick, Fitzmagic? You're fucking done, dude. That guy's the best.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  I mean, look at all these.

• 6:21Travis Kelce?

  Nick Saban. Man, if he smiled, he would have won it, but he doesn't smile.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  I think he still is gonna win it. Saban killed it on college game day.

• 6:29Travis Kelce?

  Richard Sherman, Prime Video, baby. And then Jay Wright, CBS and TNT, the old Villanova coach, Jay Wright.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Yep, Jay's awesome. He's incredible coach and he's been killing it on CBS. How about Prime Video? TNF has two emerging talents in Ryan Fitzpatrick and Richard Sherman. Both of those guys are awesome.

• 6:48Travis Kelce?

  Kills it, man. Yeah, you already know, both of them are the absolute best and fucking hell of football players, too.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yep. Ryan Fitzpatrick, also fellow Wave podcaster. That's right.

• 6:57Travis Kelce?

  Okay, shout out to Ryan Fitz, him and Fitz and Wit.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  It's not Fitzmagic and Wit. I thought it was gonna be, all right, anyways, Fitz and Wit. All right, here we go.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Past winners of this award are Noah Eagle in 2024 and Greg Olson in 2023.

• 7:15Travis Kelce?

  Greg, my motherfucking dog.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  Some good company right there.

• 7:19Travis Kelce?

  What a guy, man.

• 7:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, listen, it's my third nomination for a sports Emmy.

• 7:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you're killing it, man. You gotta get one. You gotta get one eventually.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  I'm really good at getting nominated, whether it's Sports Emmys, Sexiest Man of the Year. I'm a great nomination.

• 7:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you're a ribbon winner. You're a ribbon winner. We need you to win the award, Jason, but you're getting ribbons.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  We can't put our finger on it. We like him, but

• 7:46Speaker 04

  he's just not the best. Story of my life. There we go.

• 7:51Travis Kelce?

  You're my, you're my favorite, Jason.

• 7:53Speaker 04

  I'm the Travis Kelce, uh, brother Emmy Award winner.

• 7:57Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I'll tell you what you did win an Emmy for, my heart for, was this Bloodsport parody with Bo Allen. We've got a new garage beer commercial coming your way. The long awaited, uh, Bloodsport parody that Jason and, uh, and Bo have been brewing up. And if there was an actual Bloodsport, who is winning? You or Bo? That's the real question.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  I'm beating the fuck out of Bo. I'm just way smarter than him. I outsmarted him for years playing offensive line center versus nose guard. He's a brute force guy. He thinks about things very simplistically. Uh, you know, thus Kelseys, we're flanking.

• 8:31Travis Kelce?

  Come on now, come on now.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  We're flanking the fuck out of Bo Allen.

• 8:33Travis Kelce?

  We're, we're deception is what we are.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  That's right. I'm gonna find a way. I don't care if it's just pocket sand. I don't know what it's gonna be. It's gonna take me over the top against Bo, but I'd take him down.

• 8:43Travis Kelce?

  If you guys haven't seen this commercial, you are going to want to. It's the fight or Jason's training for the, uh, the Brumate.

• 8:52Speaker 04

  It's hard to explain because this thing makes no sense whatsoever.

• 8:56Travis Kelce?

  No, it makes all the sense. And if it has, it doesn't make sense for somebody just watching the video. Uh, I'm sure it will eventually. So.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  And this is just like owning a beer company is weird because you start to understand commercial structure and how they advertise things and how things are pushed. And like a lot of it comes in like 30 second blocks, 60 second blocks and how they pay to push it out to people to see it. It's almost like a trailer for the actual full video that we made with Bo and I, where I'm doing more training and there's a little bit more dialogue, but it's mostly just a eighties movie, nineties, early nineties, action movie montage. Yeah, we were trying to think of different things and I come up with all sorts of stupid ideas. And I've always loved the movie Bloodsport. In particular, I've loved those old martial arts movies of the eighties and nineties. Like I just, I love all of them.

• 9:43Travis Kelce?

  They're absolutely best.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  I was a huge Bloodsport fan. We also, this is kind of like part Bloodsport, part Beverly Hills Ninja. Which was another one of our.

• 9:52Travis Kelce?

  Most opposite action movies ever, but the combination of the two is perfect.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  And I couldn't care what Rotten Tomatoes says about Beverly Hills Ninja. That movie's a classic.

• 10:02Travis Kelce?

  It is 90% or more on Rotten Tomatoes, if you ask me.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  That's right. And the Kelsey, uh, voted is, well, this is part one. Part two is gonna be the actual filming of the Brumate, which will be the creme de la creme.

• 10:16Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I can't wait to see how you do.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  And we'll see who, we'll see who finishes with the last beer. I don't know. I like thinking about these old eighties movies and nineties movies. How could we period them and have fun with it? So, um, this was a lot of fun to put together. Yeah, we filmed it at like a legitimate dojo down in Florida. Sebastian was kind enough, Sensei Sebastian, I think, was kind enough to let us use his, uh, dojo and everything he had down there. It was, teach me actually how to like do some karate moves, which is pretty awesome.

• 10:48Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I'm not gonna lie. You look pretty smooth.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  I look terrible, but.

• 10:52Travis Kelce?

  No, no, no, no. The video, the video that I saw that I'm not sure everybody has seen yet, you looked like a fucking, like you were in the zone.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Next video, I'm gonna be at my peak. That's the way it's gonna work.

• 11:03Travis Kelce?

  Well, I can't wait. Uh, Jason, have you shown the girls, uh, Bloodsport, your girls?

• 11:09Speaker 04

  They have not seen Bloodsport, no.

• 11:10Travis Kelce?

  They haven't.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  No, I don't think Bloodsport would be that interesting to them.

• 11:14Travis Kelce?

  Are you kidding me? Jean-Claude Van Damme's like the hottest guy on earth.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  Jean-Claude Van Damme is hot. He does the splits. I mean, he does the splits better than anybody ever seen. Great splits guy. We did recently just watch Miss Congeniality.

• 11:26Travis Kelce?

  Oh, nice. Sandra Bullock.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:29Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Sandra.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Good movie, good movie.

• 11:31Travis Kelce?

  Classic right there. They love it. They were kind of in and out or whatever.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't know how you don't like that movie. It's just a good feel-good movie, you know? Classic tale of a beauty pageant gone awry with, uh, you know, the, the operator trying to kill everyone because she's being pushed out of it.

• 11:49Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  And the, and the FBI and police getting involved over, yeah, no. I think we've all heard this story before.

• 11:58Travis Kelce?

  Um, what was the first rated R movie you ever remember watching?

• 12:03Speaker 04

  First rated R movie? Oh, man. Um, I don't know. What about you?

• 12:07Travis Kelce?

  We definitely, we definitely watched a bunch with, with Ed, with Big.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Did we?

• 12:12Travis Kelce?

  We had to.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Mom was usually more forward thinking, I feel like, in the movies. Dad was not a big show, R-rated movies kids. I didn't think.

• 12:21Travis Kelce?

  The one I remember watching that I didn't even realize was rated R, like, was American Pie. And that was when we were like 10. I feel like I had to have watched a couple before that.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  But that was not with dad. That was not with dad.

• 12:35Travis Kelce?

  That wasn't with mom either. I was just fucking going to the movies and.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  You went to the movie theater to see American Pie?

• 12:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  They let you in?

• 12:44Travis Kelce?

  I forget how I got in, but yeah, I might've been there with somebody else's parents. I don't know. Mom might've let me go.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I feel like I watched it at the house with mom. Mom liked R comedies and she would let us watch R comedies. Dad started letting us watch R action movies, but I felt like it was later. Dad really liked, uh.

• 13:05Speaker 04

  It's so funny thinking back to these comedy heroes or these action heroes. What's the fucking dude that lives in Russia now? Uh, Steven Seagal, dad loved him some Steven Seagal.

• 13:15Travis Kelce?

  Hilarious. I couldn't fucking stand those movies.

• 13:21Travis Kelce?

  I don't know what it was about that dude.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  There's the one where he gets like put in a coma. He gets out of the coma to avenge his like these people that killed his family. Great movie. It's really, really good. The one that I do remember, I just remember sitting with dad. Cause I just got lost at one of the state fairs. You remember that when I got lost at the state fair and you guys had to come up?

• 13:42Travis Kelce?

  Do I? Of course I do.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  So we were sitting down in the movie. I think it was called shutout. It was either shutout or shootout with Jean-Claude Van Damme. Where there's a bomb in the ice rink.

• 13:54Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  You remember this movie?

• 13:56Travis Kelce?

  Yes. God damn, you're taking me back.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  He's there with his son at the game and he, he has to save everybody in this arena from this bomb. Very realistic scenario.

• 14:06Travis Kelce?

  Of course.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  He tells the son, don't move and the kid just doesn't move. He just keeps sitting there and I remember dad leaning over to me mid movie be like, huh? Smart kid.

• 14:19Travis Kelce?

  I just had to teach a lesson real quick.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  He doesn't go off wandering around like a fucking idiot.

• 14:29Travis Kelce?

  Big head. Smart kid.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Smart kid.

• 14:32Travis Kelce?

  Take notes.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  It's like dad, Jean-Claude Van Damme is playing goalie now. None of this movie makes any sense.

• 14:40Travis Kelce?

  That shit was fucking great though. I was locked in, man.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  Had a great glove save there.

• 14:46Travis Kelce?

  We digress. Let's keep this thing moving. Um.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  Last bit of new news. We've got a new masters champion. Trav, did you watch?

• 14:53Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I did. And it was electric. I, the whole time I was thinking there like, oh man, am I going to go to the masters on Sunday? Am I going to find a way to get down there to watch this epic ending?

• 15:04Speaker 04

  I mean, it did not disappoint.

• 15:05Travis Kelce?

  Bryson making a fucking run on Saturday and then, you know, Justin Rose just trying to hold on and it was, uh, and then Rory just going up and down. Oh, we just. And then just skyrocketing, they kind of, dude, it was unbelievable. It was so fun to watch. Um, and shout out to Rory. How about that? A career grand slam. There's only been five of them before.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  Now six.

• 15:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  I was rooting for Rory going into it.

• 15:34Travis Kelce?

  Were you?

• 15:35Speaker 04

  I was. I actually had money. I had money on Rory. I'm very happy about this. I am very small. I'm not a big gambler, but I did have some wagers on Rory. Listen, Rory seems like an awesome dude. He's accomplished everything in golf outside of this and he's playing so well right now. So I think everybody's excited about it. Dude, the last day, that might be the most I've sweated watching golf in my life. Like right from the get go.

• 15:58Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  But he's like double bogeys, like Bryson is tied, then Bryson goes up a stroke after what, two or three holes? And I'm just like, dude, what? He's collapsing again. Like I couldn't help but think that.

• 16:08Travis Kelce?

  It was an emotional roller coaster.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  He storms back. He's got a commanding lead.

• 16:12Travis Kelce?

  Dude, insane.

• 16:13Speaker 04

  And then dude, that putt on 18, I'm just like.

• 16:16Travis Kelce?

  A five or six footer.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Listen, I missed, I missed an eagle putt. I've missed an eagle putt right at that list just because you know how much getting an eagle would mean, right? You're sitting there and you're like, I'm gonna make this. This is so good. I can't believe it. And you pull it or you push it. I think everybody can like relate to that moment, but the fact that he lost to Bryson last year on a very similar putt.

• 16:42Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it had been over 10 years since my dog has won a fucking major. How crazy is that? And, and, and, and that's the putt that you, you have it in the bag. All you gotta do is just make that putt. And it, bro, you could see him sweating it. Oh my gosh, bro. And then just fucking said, you know what? Enough is enough.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  The bounce back was great.

• 17:07Travis Kelce?

  And went into that playoff, dude, it was so fucking satisfying seeing him go up and down and up and down. And Justin Rose, I'm not gonna lie. I thought he was gonna drain that putt and put the pressure on him. I thought he was gonna drain that putt on 18.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  What was weird was I was rooting for Rory the whole time. And then the whole story of Justin Rose and how many runner ups he's had, right? And how close he's been a number of times. It was really just like, man, I don't know who's gonna win this. I'm kind of rooting for both. But the moment Rory hit that freaking second shot on the overtime.

• 17:39Travis Kelce?

  Just stuck it.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  That was amazing.

• 17:42Travis Kelce?

  Beautiful shot, man.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  It did not disappoint. The Masters is always exciting. Probably the most exciting Sunday of Masters golf I've ever seen in my life.

• 17:49Travis Kelce?

  My dog, Justin Thomas, dropping an ace in there, man. Had a hole in one.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 17:54Travis Kelce?

  During the Masters, that shit has to feel fucking electric. Um, my guy Max Homa getting it going, man. Not, hasn't necessarily been his years, but knocking on the door, put up a fucking super respectable store. Um, and, uh, I'm happy as hell. He got it going. Um, but yeah, man, it was a, it was a fun, fun weekend.

• 18:15Speaker 04

  Is there a football equivalent of the Grand Slam? I don't think there is. We can sure try to make one.

• 18:23Travis Kelce?

  I don't know. I'm biased. I would say something like winning back to back Super Bowls. I don't know.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  That's where I went to.

• 18:29Travis Kelce?

  I think there's like, I forget how many teams. I've already forgot.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  Small amount of teams.

• 18:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, those dynasties, however, whatever you want to call them.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  Whatever you want to call them.

• 18:41Travis Kelce?

  I don't even, that's up for you guys, you know? I don't put myself on my Mount Rushmore.

• 18:54Travis Kelce?

  Whatever you kids are calling them nowadays.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  So good, so good. Yeah, nine teams. I mean, back to back definitely was actually where I went first too. Brandon and Jake have a good one in the run. I don't know who put it in here, but MVP, Super Bowl, because it does feel like back to back is a team thing. And it feels like Grand Slam is like, what is an individual accomplished multiple things that every, pretty much everything you could accomplish it is certain. In the NFL, that's like the highest of the NFL.

• 19:24Travis Kelce?

  So what are you going with?

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Well, they have MVP, Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP. I would also put up.

• 19:31Travis Kelce?

  Walter Payton.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  I mean, that's not a career, that's more like off the field stuff that, but it's a great one. What about like Rookie of the Year? Like I'm trying to think, what are the, all the like major milestones of like super, it's MVP, offensive or defensive player of the year.

• 19:46Travis Kelce?

  Offensive and defense Rookie of the Year.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Rookie of the year, Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP.

• 19:53Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  How many guys have done that? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady?

• 19:57Travis Kelce?

  I don't know who's all won everything, so.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  Anybody do any research on that?

• 20:01Travis Kelce?

  I don't fucking do any research. I let you guys research it up.

• 20:07Speaker 05

  What's the question? What are you asking?

• 20:08Travis Kelce?

  Have you been listening to anything, Brandon?

• 20:10Speaker 04

  It was fucking super clear. What do you do?

• 20:15Speaker 04

  Okay, we've done some research. We've come back. Prize is gonna cut up really weird to you guys, but the NFL MVP, there's been seven players who have won the NFL MVP, Super Bowl MVP, and led their team to a Super Bowl victory all in one season.

• 20:29Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Seven players have done that in one season. So if we made it an entire career, there'd probably be too many players to compare this to a Grand Slam of golf. So I think that's it. I think it's that. That's the trifecta.

• 20:43Travis Kelce?

  League MVP, Super Bowl MVP, and Super Bowl victory.

• 20:47Speaker 04

  These are the seven players who have done it. Somebody can add these pictures of Pat Mahomes and.

• 20:53Travis Kelce?

  Patty Mahomes!

• 20:55Speaker 04

  Terry Bradshaw.

• 20:56Travis Kelce?

  He's won, he's won the Grand Slam at such a young age.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  He has.

• 21:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's probably the youngest to ever do it.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  He's like Tiger when he won the Grand Slam, right?

• 21:06Travis Kelce?

  We could be like Tiger and his daddy.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  Was Tiger the youngest to win a Grand Slam?

• 21:11Travis Kelce?

  Brandon?

• 21:15Speaker 05

  It is Tiger Woods.

• 21:16Travis Kelce?

  Oh!

• 21:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, baby.

• 21:19Speaker 05

  One at 24 years old. Oh my God.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  He did it before Pat did a trifecta in football.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  My God. What the fuck have I done with my life?

• 21:28Travis Kelce?

  It's whatever.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  Last Masters things, lots of fans have been pointing out online how much they enjoyed the Masters banning cell phones. Travis and I have experienced that both ourselves. It's fantastic.

• 21:40Travis Kelce?

  It's awesome, except for they still have like photographers that could take pictures of you and sell it to media outlets.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't care about that portion. I'm just talking about people being present and like actually enjoying the event rather than just like being in the phones.

• 21:55Travis Kelce?

  I thought you were talking about, yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  I have no problem with people taking my picture. I've. I gave way to that a long time ago.

• 22:01Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I'm all in on cell phones. I wanted to buy, I thought it'd be cool to buy a bar and say, no cell phones, get back to just talking to people.

• 22:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  I just, I'm in on the no cell phones and I'm too addicted to my cell phone to where if there's not a rule, I'm going to be on my cell phone. So I need a rule to tell me to get up off my cell phone. This is an awesome tweet from Charles Robinson. One of the coolest parts of this moment when Rory won it is seeing the crowd. Everybody is actually watching it through their eyeballs and not just a bunch of phones and cameras pointed at him. I agree, man. And maybe it's just because I'm old.

• 22:38Travis Kelce?

  Except for the guys with the cameras right there.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, but those are press people or you have bring in a camera. You can bring a camera and that's completely different.

• 22:45Travis Kelce?

  Is that right? You can bring a camera in?

• 22:47Speaker 04

  I don't think it's about the cameras. It's a little bit about the cameras, but like,

• 22:51Travis Kelce?

  I think it's definitely about the cameras.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Well, it's the cameras. It's about being present.

• 22:55Travis Kelce?

  Being on the phone and yeah, all right.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  It's also like anytime, like anything big is happening. Everybody's just holding their phones up rather than just being in the moment. I think it's different to me, but I'm also probably just an old curmudgeon. I think it's one thing that the masters for sure, among the thousands of things, the masters gets right. This is one of them and I wish more events would do it like this.

• 23:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  All right. That does it for new news brought to you by American Express.

• 23:23Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 23:24Speaker 04

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• 23:27Travis Kelce?

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• 23:31Speaker 04

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• 23:38Travis Kelce?

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• 23:46Speaker 04

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• 23:50Travis Kelce?

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• 23:57Speaker 04

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• 24:05Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like nothing's even close to being this big and it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 24:30Travis Kelce?

  Like bring the kids, bring mom and dad. Shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 24:37Speaker 04

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 24:46Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  I love a water park.

• 24:50Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one, Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 24:58Speaker 04

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 25:08Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 25:15Speaker 04

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 25:19Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  On offense, it's important to prevent problems from the moment the ball is snapped.

• 25:27Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 25:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 25:40Speaker 04

  My mouth specifically?

• 25:41Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah, all the nasty stuff. But the good news is you can prevent these problems before they start with Colgate Total Active Prevention. It's like having a good offensive line for your mouth.

• 26:04Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, exactly. With twice daily brushing, Colgate Total prevents oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 26:19Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Colgate Total is like having a full playbook in your bathroom. Working to help prevent oral health problems before they start.

• 26:29Travis Kelce?

  Get Colgate Total on Amazon today.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  NFL offseason. We are officially in offseason training mode. It's a little bit weird at this time of the year because OTAs are about to start up. I think they might have started up for some teams. Other teams are getting gear in, but we are officially in the Instagram workout season. Where people are posting.

• 26:52Travis Kelce?

  Well, that's the entire offseason.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  It's true. It's true. My man Cooper Dejean and Ryan Clark had this back and forth on social media. Coop gave Ryan the shush at the top of the break.

• 27:04Travis Kelce?

  He loved the shush.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Ryan couldn't keep up with it. My guy RC.

• 27:08Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely loved the shush.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Look at that backpedal. I mean, in fairness to Ryan, he's not in cleats, which he's trying to keep up with somebody in cleats. That's going to be a tough task.

• 27:17Travis Kelce?

  Well, no, Ryan, do you understand how DB drills work? Ryan is working the drill as a coach and he's, and he's making sure that Cooper stays with him and stuff like that. He was trying to make a break. He wasn't necessarily trying to keep up with Cooper.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  Well, I know, but he's trying to give him a cut.

• 27:34Travis Kelce?

  Dejean was trying to keep up. Yeah, exactly.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  I think either way, Ryan's in tennis shoes. It's hard to cut for those of you that try and do this without cleats on. It's a difficult task. Coop looks pretty good, though.

• 27:45Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he's working with the best, man.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, Instagram workout videos. This is an example of a good one to post. I, I never really liked the Instagram posts from most guys because I feel like a lot of it is just like a, there's just so many guys that I know that have gone in, done curls, taken a picture and then walked up out of the gym.

• 28:04Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 28:05Speaker 04

  And it's like, did you, oh, yeah. It's like, man, oh, okay. And then you see it on Instagram. Oh, I don't know that you really got a lot out of that workout, bud. That's my own two cents on it. Not a huge fan of the Instagram workouts. There's another reason I hate Instagram. I think there's a lot of snake oil salesmen on social media that fucking have awful programs that top guys go to that are highly successful because top guys are ridiculously skilled players and that this guy is not a good player or a good trainer to go to for the vast majority of players.

• 28:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, man, you gotta vet it, man. But also you gotta do what works for you because obviously if you're a great fucking player and you're going to a decent trainer, just an average trainer, you better be getting the most out of what you're doing regardless, you know?

• 28:54Speaker 04

  I think what you just said is you gotta do what works for you. And I think what works for. When you play for in the league for a long time, you start to develop the habits that make you your optimum self. It's hard to know what's in the best interest of everybody. Players usually figure it out that are really good, that play for a long time and have longevity. There's a lot of guys that don't figure it out and they never reach their potential, or a lot of guys that focus on the wrong stuff, or they go to too many places and then they're getting hurt all the time. I think you're right. I think at the end of the day, you gotta trust what works for you, what translates the best and is making you a better player.

• 29:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. The first thing is first, you gotta be, you gotta be real with yourself. You gotta be real with yourself. What do I lack at? Where do I need to improve?

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:43Travis Kelce?

  And then you have to be real with yourself and how hard you have to work to be better at that. And I think, you know, once you find those two questions, you start finding an answer for it. You start to look for and seek for the best ways to get that done. And you know, that's the professional listen. Those are the routines and the off-season routines that you have to set for yourself to be able to be, you know, the best you can be.

• 30:05Speaker 04

  Right. Other NFL offseason news. Max Crosby is officially the first active NFL player to be named assistant GM of a college football team. How about that?

• 30:14Travis Kelce?

  Assistant GM?

• 30:16Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 30:17Travis Kelce?

  Oh shit. Max out here doing some big shit. Eastern Michigan alma mater.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. There's something about like being the GM where it feels like it's too much of a, like, listen, I'll be like the help recruiter guy, but may call me GM is like, dude, I'm not like making that official title or like I'm committed to this like that. You know what I mean?

• 30:39Travis Kelce?

  It's, it sounds like Max is, man. I mean, I hear you.

• 30:41Speaker 04

  I mean, he definitely is. I think that that's the case. That's why this is so cool.

• 30:45Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. That's awesome, man. Going back to the Mac, baby.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  This is what college sports has turned into. Like the reality is like all of these schools now are going to these big name players to help with recruiting, NIL deals, garner attention around it. And to have really high caliber players tied into the organization, it uplifts them, right? We saw Andrew Luck do something similar out in Stanford. Max taking it to the next level by being an active player and doing this. It'll be interesting to see how this affects Eastern Michigan's ability to recruit and sign players and all that other stuff. I am doing something with Cincinnati. We're still figuring out what that role is. I kinda wanted to be in charge of like team spirit. I'm a team spirit kinda guy.

• 31:33Travis Kelce?

  You are dude. You just lifted my spirit by saying that.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  All I wanna do is like, how can we, how can we make the experience better on game day?

• 31:43Travis Kelce?

  You're just gonna be the mascot?

• 31:45Speaker 04

  I don't wanna be the mascot. I wanna be, I wanna give resources to the student section to just have a fucking fun ass time.

• 31:52Travis Kelce?

  You would be a fucking stud as a mascot too.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  Before we get out of offseason, we did have one voicemail I wanted to tell you guys.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  Before we get out of offseason.

• 32:01Speaker 05

  I teed it up. I got it. I nailed it.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Are you being recorded right now?

• 32:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:05Travis Kelce?

  You record yourself?

• 32:07Speaker 05

  I record myself and I watch it back. I grind tape.

• 32:09Speaker 06

  Hey guys, uh, so I'm calling on behalf of my friend Angela in the Touchstones and T, our Swifty group.

• 32:17Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 32:17Speaker 06

  And she wanted to ask, um, about how rookies and, uh, veterans handle offseason differently. And, um, how they like just give, and if you had any advice to give to like the rookies that they came in to like, don't do anything dumb. So yeah, um, yeah. So they say, what do you, what would, what did you do differently from when you were a rookie to like now? Obviously having the experience, um, for both of you, I guess. All right. Thank you. Um, they stand, they're chief. Not so much goals and goal coach. Thank you.

• 32:56Speaker 04

  All right. Well, fuck off. Um.

• 32:59Travis Kelce?

  Jesus.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Not so much you. Uh, it's a great question. I think that it definitely changes as you get older. One of the things that changes is that you just have to do more stuff. The older you get to like get ready to go.

• 33:14Travis Kelce?

  Just trying to maintain the peak athleticism that you got and to, you gotta find that routine.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  You can't do as much workload because your body can't handle as much and then you can't just get into it. You gotta warm up more. So it just becomes harder to, I mean, it just becomes harder and becomes more of a grind, to be honest with you. Like getting old and trying to play in the NFL becomes really, really hard to navigate from like a body and like a, like a physicality standpoint.

• 33:39Travis Kelce?

  So once warm up. Counts as the workout now.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  I never did. When I was young.

• 33:47Travis Kelce?

  I didn't warm up much at all. Just fucking put the shoes on.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Put the weight on the bar and let's go, baby.

• 33:54Travis Kelce?

  I gotta do fucking floor exercise. I gotta do calisthenics.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  I gotta put this lacrosse ball into my tailbone. Otherwise I can't fucking squat. Dude, it's the reality of it. So I think you gotta do more soft tissue stuff, which I, I always hated soft tissue. I never understood why people did it. And then you get older and you're like, oh, this is why people do soft tissue stuff. You know, I'm still not a big stretcher and I think that that's hurting me a lot, but it's so hard to get on the page with that.

• 34:22Travis Kelce?

  Why is it so hard, Jason?

• 34:24Speaker 04

  Cause I just like, I don't believe in stretching and I think I need to start. I think I need to start.

• 34:30Travis Kelce?

  What are you, a flat earther? You just don't, I don't believe in it.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  I think it's bad for muscle elasticity to do like static stretching. I'm a functional movement stretcher by nature.

• 34:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, but stretching, stretching, whether you're static or functional. I hear you.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  No, but I, I need to do the stuff that's like, I need my ass and back to relax. And I need to do like, just this over and over again and sit in stretch poses and I just can't get to it.

• 34:56Travis Kelce?

  Nah, I'm out.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  I think the biggest thing is as you get older, you just realize kind of what works and you get into a routine and you become much more efficient at working out. When you're younger, you're, you're a kid in a candy shop. You're trying everything. You're hearing stuff from people that are doing stuff over here. Different veterans that you're leaning on, trainers and coaches. And you're more kind of all over the place with your training. And once you've done that enough as a player, I think you fall in line to like, this is what works for me. This is what I respond really well with and what gets me to play the best. And then you hit another phase of your career where like, oh, what I've been doing for the last like 10 seasons.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Now I need to do all this other stuff. And that's when it becomes really hard because you have to like, do all these other things. So that your body still can do the things that it once did. And that's where the kind of progression for me, at least it wasn't my career.

• 35:57Travis Kelce?

  I think, yeah, you hit it on the head. When you're a rookie, you could just get up and go.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:02Travis Kelce?

  And on top, on top of that, I kind of. I don't know. My first couple of years I was dealing with injuries. So I was in Kansas City and I was working on rehab and I was working on strengthening a lot of things more than I was working on my overall game. You know, everybody's different, but at the same time, we kind of mentioned it before this, you have to find, you have to be real with yourself. You have to be, you know, hard on yourself, your own worst critic on what you got to get better at. And and the entire offseason, you know, you need that yin and yang of like professional life and and and non-professional life and being able to have that happy medium because the grind of

• 36:43Travis Kelce?

  the season is six months. It's a, if you're lucky, it's six months, but it is a six month grind of you're going into the facility, having the same same exact day, every single Monday, every single Tuesday, every single, you know what I mean? So you want to be able to get away from the game so that it's fresh when you come back in and you're and you feel that excitement and motivation like it's the first day of school or something. So I would, I always tell people, be real with yourself, figure out exactly what you need to do, find what, find what that means in terms of how you're going to get better at that and achieve that. And then on top of that, get away from the game a little bit.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:23Travis Kelce?

  Don't be afraid to go out there and see something you haven't seen before, or, you know, go to a, go to a new place, or take that vacation with your family. Go step away, recharge, get that going, because it's only going to make you work harder and feel more refreshed and, uh, and ready to go when you come back. Yeah.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Dude, it's, I agree with all that 100%.

• 37:43Travis Kelce?

  It was like seven or eight years in a row where I had offseason surgery.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  It might've been blessings for us because it like, I don't know, man, it like, kind of like forces you to.

• 37:54Travis Kelce?

  Be in the fucking building. I know that. I, I would have been fucking.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  Right, especially as a young player.

• 38:01Travis Kelce?

  Man, what I'm finally, you know, got a

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Money and

• 38:06Travis Kelce?

  Dollar in my pocket.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  As my man

• 38:08Travis Kelce?

  Money, time.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  I was about to say, as my man Charles Barkley says, bro, you got somebody with a money and time and bad habits. It ain't a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

• 38:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Chuck.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  I love that line. Alrighty, since we are coming up on the NFL Draft, we wanted to do some drafting of our own. That's right, we're back with the New Heights Mock Draft. The last one I think we did was on Easter candy, it looks like.

• 38:34Travis Kelce?

  Damn, that was last year.

• 38:35Speaker 04

  I know, it's been a while, but happy to be back at it. I always love doing these, these are fun. Just a reminder, it is snake draft format, which means that one of us will go first, then the other person will go, then that person will go first, then the other person will go, then that person will go first. So it kind of works its way down like a snake. We're gonna do five rounds. Topic, bucket list events. These are events that neither of us have been to.

• 38:59Travis Kelce?

  So we can't say something like the Masters, which is a lot of people's bucket list event, because we've already been there.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  Got it, alright, I think that makes sense. Do you want to do the honors or shall I?

• 39:08Travis Kelce?

  So the first round obviously has to be like our number one. Like the one we desire the most.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  You want to take something that I can't. Should be your goal here.

• 39:19Travis Kelce?

  Gosh, well now it's just, now it's just a game of what does Jason want?

• 39:23Speaker 04

  I'm gonna be playing the same game on your end.

• 39:25Travis Kelce?

  You don't fucking know what I want.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  You're right, you're so much more inside of my head than I'm inside of yours, it's ridiculous.

• 39:31Travis Kelce?

  What does Jason want to do? No, bucket list item, um, bus, I'm sorry, bucket list event. I would say with the first pick of my bucket list event draft, I want to go.

• 39:47Travis Kelce?

  That's a lot harder, I should have been writing shit down. All right, you go first if you have one.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  Running of the bulls. I've always wanted to do it. I've wanted to run with the bulls. This is a, this is a huge bucket list item for Jason. All right, now you get to go twice.

• 40:01Travis Kelce?

  I don't want to fucking do that. I'm so glad you took that. All right, if you're gonna go a random one you want to do, I'll do, um, I've always wanted to go to the F1 race in Monaco.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 40:18Travis Kelce?

  Always wanted to do that, um, ever since we were playing, um, those racing games at the arcade.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Oh, man, those are fun. Gosh, what else you going with?

• 40:28Travis Kelce?

  One you've already done, so I could just wait till the fifth round for that. Um.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  It's a good strategy.

• 40:35Travis Kelce?

  I'm going with, for my second pick, the Champions League final. I've always wanted to go to a huge soccer game and, uh, and the best soccer in the world and see the best teams in the world go at it. And, um, yeah. Put it on my bucket list.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  All right, I'm gonna ask your help on this next one, because I don't know what its name is, but I know you know what the name is because you just watched it on Netflix. What's the horse race that happens in Italy?

• 41:05Travis Kelce?

  I don't know. It's the Pi ALO or something like that, or it might be something like that. I don't know. I think that's wrong. I don't think they don't, I don't think you need to say yes. That, when you said running the bulls, my mind immediately went there.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  All right, I'm gonna put that as my second round pick.

• 41:18Travis Kelce?

  It is that, yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 41:20Travis Kelce?

  You gotta say it, Jason.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Palio di Siena? That doesn't sound right. Is that it?

• 41:26Travis Kelce?

  It's 100% it. I mean, all the, everything looks.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  It looked electric as fuck. It looked like a great time. They're just in the middle of like some Italian village. I'm fucking so down for that.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  Second, I know, I get the next pick. I get the next pick. I'm gonna steal this one from you because I know you want to do it. I'm gonna go to, I don't even know if this is what it's called, whatever the Darts International Championship is, with the British guy saying, 180. I want to go there. I want to go there.

• 41:58Travis Kelce?

  That should have been our first. I'm an idiot.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  All right, where are you going? PDC World Championships.

• 42:03Travis Kelce?

  I'm going with motherfucker. What is that shit called? You probably don't even want to do this, but I want to do this. The Ascot races in, uh, in London.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  What are those?

• 42:14Travis Kelce?

  It's like equivalent to what the Derby would be, uh, in.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Dude, I'm so down for that. What are you talking about?

• 42:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You wouldn't, you didn't know about it though.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  Oh, I definitely don't know what it is, but I'm, I'm in. All right, what's your next pick?

• 42:27Travis Kelce?

  What's my next pick is for fourth round?

• 42:31Speaker 04

  Fourth round?

• 42:35Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I've always wanted to go to like the fucking, what are they called? The, uh, the, the Red Bull, like Derby racing, the Derby karts, the, where they go off of the, uh, the edge. I forget what it's called.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Fly as long as possible.

• 42:49Travis Kelce?

  Yes, it's.

• 42:50Speaker 04

  I think Bo Allen did it last year.

• 42:51Travis Kelce?

  They have something like, like, uh, like the X Games, but for like random events like that. I could be wrong about this, but.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  Flutag is what that one is called. I think Bo Allen did it last year. All right, I get two more picks, my last two picks. I'm going to get into the winter. I'm going winter Olympics. I've been to the summer Olympics, winter Olympics is high up there. Uh, we went to the winter X Games a few years back and I'm like, man, this was awesome. I hear something about being in cold that I just love being a part of. So the next one I'm going and I'm staying cold and I'm doing the Iditarod.

• 43:28Travis Kelce?

  Uh, you got to explain it.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Which is, it's, I think it's the longest, like, dog racing event in the world. And they do like these sled dogs and they got to go all up and down Alaska.

• 43:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, okay.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Remember the movie, uh, Balto?

• 43:45Speaker 04

  I think something, he has something to do with it. Anyways, I'm in on the Iditarod.

• 43:48Travis Kelce?

  Nice. Um, I was just going to say the Olympics in general because I haven't been to the Olympics, but I guess I got to say the summer Olympics.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  It was awesome. You're going to love it when you get to go.

• 43:58Travis Kelce?

  Nice. Well, everybody tell us, uh, who won that one, uh, who got the better draft?

• 44:03Speaker 04

  I was also thinking about Ryder Cup in the open. Ryder Cup would be electric. I've heard from so many people and then the open, I've been to the Masters, I've done the US Open. The Open would be pretty awesome to go over there.

• 44:15Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  Especially just like St. Andrews or something like that.

• 44:18Travis Kelce?

  Another one for me would be the World Cup. I haven't been to the World Cup yet.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  I've done that down in Brazil. That was awesome. Big time recommend it.

• 44:24Travis Kelce?

  I'll be doing it next year. 2026 Kansas City, Missouri, baby. Let's go.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  Kansas City a host city?

• 44:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it is.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  So is Philly. How about that?

• 44:33Travis Kelce?

  For Kansas City to be, you know, I mean Midwest town. We had enough stadiums. Shout out to.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Hunts, whoever.

• 44:41Travis Kelce?

  The Hunts, Brittany Mahomes has a stadium here as well.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Are they playing, what stadium are they playing the games at?

• 44:50Travis Kelce?

  Arrowhead for sure.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  Not gonna lie, I think I won this pretty hands down.

• 44:54Travis Kelce?

  Running of the bulls.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Is somebody really gonna say they'd rather go watch fucking F1 Monaco than a bunch of bulls run over people? Like what person in their right mind doesn't want to see people get decapitated by bulls? I don't understand.

• 45:08Travis Kelce?

  I don't think, Jason, there's like one clip of like the bulls hitting somebody that you see. I don't think it happens all the time.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  You're, it happens every year, Travis.

• 45:17Travis Kelce?

  No, I know it happens every year, but I don't think like bulls are just like mowing down thousands of people. You make it seem like you see one video of it every year and it's like one person gets smoked.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  I think to part, the fact that you get to participate, here's the difference. F1 Monaco, they put me in an F1 car and I'm not going around that track. Running of the bulls, I'm getting. Because I'm not an F1 driver. I don't drive for team Ferrari.

• 45:44Travis Kelce?

  That doesn't mean you can't get in the car and drive it.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Alpine. I don't drive, so I can't run in the race. Running of the bulls, I can just go there. Anybody can go participate in the race.

• 45:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 45:55Speaker 04

  If you're willing to.

• 45:57Travis Kelce?

  You're not about to act like I'm a coward because I'm not, I don't want to do that.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  I just think it sounds more fun. It sounds way more exciting.

• 46:05Travis Kelce?

  You got, you got me on the, uh, Polio, uh.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  That shit seems exciting, doesn't it?

• 46:10Travis Kelce?

  That looks exciting and it looks fun and there's a winner.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:16Speaker 04

  All right. What about a darts league versus Ask, I'll give you Ask, I raised. I do want to see the darts league, but Ask, I races are probably a bigger event.

• 46:26Travis Kelce?

  The flu, the flu tag.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  With her Olympics.

• 46:29Travis Kelce?

  I, I might've lost the draft on that one, but I do want to do that.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  It does sound fun. I mean, I want to go.

• 46:34Travis Kelce?

  If there's more events around the entire Red Bull stuff that weekend, I don't, I fuck that whoever said fluke tag because I said the Red Bull like event.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  I just don't know. How's accelerator going to feel about you freaking?

• 46:48Travis Kelce?

  Well, we need to get some, we need to get a fucking event like that. Damn it. And accelerator uses healthy or not necessarily organic, but natural.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  Natural, natural, plant-based.

• 47:03Travis Kelce?

  Accelerator uses sustained energy with plant-based thermogenics. Red Bull doesn't fucking do that. They just got a really fucking fun event called the fluke tag.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  Good timing. Good timing. Really just perfect product placement.

• 47:18Travis Kelce?

  Cotton candy, baby.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  We gotta do some events with Garage Beer. Garage Beer is like, we gotta do latch on like, you know, I don't know if it's, you know, hobby horsing or whatever it is, but let's get our, let's, let's celebrate people's fandoms, right? All right, cool. Well, those are our lists. Ninety percenters, let us, you're, you're, let us know your lists and who you think wins.

• 47:44Travis Kelce?

  Before we get to our convo with the cap expert, time for a couple of no dumb questions because there's no such thing as dumb questions, just dumb people. All right, here we go. Our no dumb question is from Christie. Tay's servant. Okay. If you had to swap lives with one of your podcast guests for 48 hours, who would you pick and what would you do? I got my answer. Who you got?

• 48:12Speaker 04

  Well, if you have your answer, why don't you go? Cause I don't know if my answer is yet.

• 48:15Travis Kelce?

  Um, my answer is LeBron James because I want to play in the NBA. I've always wanted to play in the NBA, a dream that I've always had as a kid. And I would love to know what that dream actually feels like. And to be able to, uh, jump as high as he can and slam the ball in the basketball hoop as hard as he can. I would also love to know what that feels like as well.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  Man, are we swapping with them right now or swapping with them in their prime?

• 48:44Travis Kelce?

  I think it's right now, bud.

• 48:45Speaker 04

  Well, if it's right now, I guess probably go Adam Sandler.

• 48:50Travis Kelce?

  The Sandman.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  Probably go Sandman. I mean, I'd go, I mean, it's, it's a tough one because I'd go with any of the comedy guys that we've had on. Cause I just think it seems like such fun lives and being able to be creative and bring things to life. So either him, Will Ferrell, Stiller, any of those guys, Sudeikis. I think, um, and also like think like that to have that kind of mind would be fun to think about for 48 hours. If it's anybody in the prime though, I'm going Arnold.

• 49:16Travis Kelce?

  Damn, we've had some guests, man.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  Arnold in his prime, dude. I mean, it's hard to go. Anything better than that?

• 49:24Travis Kelce?

  Just be useful.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Be useful, Arnold. Alrighty. That's it for No Dumb Questions. You can submit No Dumb Questions in the comments on social or give us a call at 929-399-7260. That's 929-399-7260.

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• 51:16Speaker 04

  It's now time for dumb questions with cap expert Jake Rosenberg.

• 51:21Travis Kelce?

  Because there's no such thing as dumb questions. Unless you're dumb people.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, unless you're us and you're talking to somebody who's an expert.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  We've always wanted to get to, uh, talking to some people with actual knowledge in the NFL level to one, expand our knowledge, but also for the 92%ers out there that want to learn more about the NFL and everything that happens within it. So we put a question out to you. How many of you be interested in a salary cap episode? There was a lot of interest, so we're bringing on a salary cap expert. Our guest today is former Eagles vice president of football administration, Jake Rosenberg. Welcome Jake Rosenberg.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  What's up Jake? How we doing?

• 52:04Speaker 10

  Great. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  Welcome to the show Jake. Uh, please introduce yourself to the 92%ers.

• 52:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. What is it? What is your job? What is the VP of a football administration? What does that job title like include?

• 52:16Speaker 10

  It's a cap guy.

• 52:17Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 52:18Speaker 10

  Yeah, I think it probably varies all over the league. For me, I worked real closely with Howie on ultimately like everything pertaining to the roster, but most importantly overseeing all the contract negotiations, dealing with all the agents, making sure we were never over the cap. And you know, a lot of the planning on that side. So I could find anything that involves money in the players, not the business stuff, not budgeting, but just all of the aspects of paying players, negotiating those contracts.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  Are you excited to make the salary cap fun and interesting for our guests?

• 52:53Speaker 10

  It's an incredible challenge.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  All right. Well, let's start off with this. First question, what is the salary cap?

• 53:03Speaker 10

  So the salary cap, simply put, is just a limit on what every team can spend to pay their players.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:11Speaker 10

  Now, that might sound like a budget, except there are rules that differ from a normal budget. So there is cash, what you pay your players in a given year, and then there's the way it's accounted for. And that's what the salary cap is. That's where we start getting into the fun.

• 53:27Travis Kelce?

  How does it differ from accounted for and unaccounted for?

• 53:31Speaker 10

  There are the easiest, like the most commonly used factors. There's certain ways to pay players, like a signing bonus, or certain ways to guarantee money. And then that prorates, meaning you split that up equally over the life of the contract. So to make it as simple as possible, if you give a player a $10 million signing bonus, it's a five-year contract, that would count two, two, two, two, two, even though the player got 10.

• 54:02Travis Kelce?

  Gotcha. That makes sense.

• 54:04Speaker 10

  So a player could get 10 in cash, but there's only two accounted for of that signing bonus in a year.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  How does that affect how teams navigate what they are allowed to spend within a given year?

• 54:17Speaker 10

  Within this, there's strategy, right? If you don't use any of that proration, let's say you don't use that at all. You choose to count every single penny you spend on a player in this year. And the salary cap, for the sake of this exercise, we'll just say is $250 million. You would be limited to spending $250 million paid out to players in a year. However, because you're able to prorate, if you wanted to spend significantly more than $250 million in a year, you could. And teams' desire to spend more, and how much more.

• 54:57Speaker 10

  It determines their strategy to some extent on how much they want to use that.

• 55:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 55:03Speaker 10

  If that makes sense. And so as you spend more than the 250, you're sort of accumulating accounting out into the future. Yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  Right. Without getting too into the weeds, how do you navigate? How much money you're willing to put out into the future? Which player? Because all of this money that we just said it is prorated, it's essentially guaranteed, even though there's different levels of guarantee. How do you decide how much you're willing to say like, hey, we're going to spend this much in cash. But in the future, this is going to hurt us versus how much we want to be strict to the budget this year, I guess.

• 55:37Speaker 10

  This process would would vary at different teams, I imagine. And ultimately, there's somebody owns the team. And someone is making a determination on how much they are willing to spend in a given year. Even though there's 32 very large, very valuable, five, six billion dollar at a minimum. Clubs.

• 56:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:02Speaker 10

  Each owner makes that determination on their own and gives it to their football operation. And their general manager, cap guy, et cetera, would figure out how to do that. And how to create a sustainable strategy.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:18Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 56:18Speaker 10

  Right? If that makes sense.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  It does.

• 56:20Travis Kelce?

  So in terms of the pro rate system, a guy signs a $10 million signing bonus. They prorated over the next, whatever, five years of the contract, two, two, two, two, two. That $10 million is the signing bonus. So you get it there or does it? Do you get paid as the pro rate?

• 56:37Speaker 10

  Right. The payment of the signing bonus is completely independent of the accounting of the signing bonus.

• 56:44Travis Kelce?

  Got you.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  From a salary cap standpoint?

• 56:46Speaker 10

  Correct. Mm hmm. There are teams who defer signing bonuses even in cash. Out past a year or more.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Out past a year. I've never heard of that.

• 56:56Speaker 10

  That exists.

• 56:57Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  Wow. Okay. I mean, I guess one of them would be that happened in baseball with the Otani's, right? That's like a max like to go whole nother level of deferred payment.

• 57:06Speaker 10

  Otani's that whole deferral thing? Yeah, that's a whole nother.

• 57:09Travis Kelce?

  Another. We all know that really is.

• 57:12Speaker 10

  Yeah, there's no salary cap in baseball. So why there's a salary cap is precisely.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  To avoid.

• 57:19Speaker 10

  To avoid baseball, baseball to a large extent.

• 57:21Travis Kelce?

  So who does? Who does the cap benefit more?

• 57:24Speaker 10

  The cap benefit? You're saying more for players versus team?

• 57:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:29Speaker 10

  Clearly team.

• 57:32Speaker 10

  I don't think there's a question about that, but I would also say that it also benefits the fans to a large extent because.

• 57:38Travis Kelce?

  Makes it more fair.

• 57:39Speaker 10

  Not for a salary cap, not to say this is 100%. It's not the wealthiest owners necessarily are going to spend the most cash. That actually is not really the case. Dallas.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  Wow. Okay.

• 57:51Speaker 10

  But I think that there it does maintain some competitive balance where if you, you know, Green Bay would be a smaller market, New York, a larger market, it ensures that there's not a huge competitive issue between those teams.

• 58:06Travis Kelce?

  I'll ask this. I'll ask this. This, a lot of this debate came up when the Cincinnati Bengals essentially allocated over what like $300 million to the three players on the offense? Or more than that, a fuck ton of money to three players on the office. Yeah.

• 58:26Speaker 04

  Fuck that.

• 58:28Travis Kelce?

  I really want to know when those contracts come out and it hits the TV world and it hits the media world and you see the guarantees and you see how much the cap is and you see, what is the most bullshit number that you could see come across your, the ticker?

• 58:44Speaker 10

  Yeah, the most bullshit, I mean tied for bullshit because it's basically the same is the average and the total of the deal.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  They're nonsense, right?

• 58:51Speaker 10

  And most of the time, correct. And the reason that that's all bullshit, it all goes back to one simple thing is that without money explicitly being guaranteed or being negotiated to be guaranteed within the deal, it's not. So when they throw out a total. Inevitably, that includes a whole bunch of unguaranteed money, which depending on how far into the future, what type of player, the age of the player, all that may have next to no to no probability that they ever see it.

• 59:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  How much of these numbers are manipulated by agents and or teams to make it appear publicly like a player is a top ex paid player, but the reality of such is that it's not that contract?

• 59:40Speaker 10

  Teams don't have a lot of incentive to manipulate the numbers.

• 59:43Travis Kelce?

  Except for to make the player happy.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  Make him happy, right? Like.

• 59:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like you guys made Jason happy his last contract.

• 59:53Speaker 10

  Jason, are you saying that your last contract was bullshit? Is that what?

• 59:56Speaker 04

  I'm very happy with the contracts I've signed.

• 59:58Speaker 10

  I went back and looked.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Speaker 10

  We did, we signed, you and I, eight contracts. My, my name and your name were on together. 2014, 2014.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:00:08Speaker 10

  Now you're a rookie deal. That was a year before I got there.

• 1:00:10Travis Kelce?

  That's good shit right there. Shout out to Jay Bernstein, man.

• 1:00:13Speaker 10

  One of those deals, I don't know if you remember this, we signed on the hood of my car in the parking lot. My son's baseball practice.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  Outside of the baseball practice.

• 1:00:21Travis Kelce?

  The way Jason does things.

• 1:00:24Travis Kelce?

  He wears flip flops in the winter. You know what I mean? He's that kind of guy. It's like, oh yeah, wherever.

• 1:00:29Speaker 10

  I think you're on your way to the airport and I'm in, it was like an indoor place. All of a sudden I hear a few kids and murmured, they're like, is that Jason Kelce in the window? And I was like, oh God. And I like ran outside and we signed it on my, my, the hood of my car.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  I remember that. That was awesome.

• 1:00:45Travis Kelce?

  Everyone thinks there's this luxury, they flew Jason in on a plane and he got, you know, walked into the, the office of the owner. No, just meet me at the ballpark over here while my kids playing. That's so funny.

• 1:00:58Speaker 10

  So the, going back to like what you said about the bullshit, because I think this is good to talk about.

• 1:01:03Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Speaker 10

  The difference between. Fully guaranteed, partially guaranteed, and then the complete bullshit that we're talking about makes it like almost impossible to know what the actual deal is unless you know more than just the average and the total.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  You would have to see legitimately the deal in front of you to know the ins and outs of it. Yeah.

• 1:01:26Speaker 10

  When they say fully guaranteed, I think it's safe to say that you, you know, that legitimately is fully guaranteed. But once you get past that, anything goes and a lot of times they'll also not even is it just not guaranteed, but they will include money that is based on incentives and the incentives could be very practical and possible to something totally ridiculous and out of left field. That's even more less likely to be earned than just the salary.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  Right. What's an example of something that's fully guaranteed? An example of something that would say guaranteed, but really isn't guaranteed?

• 1:02:04Speaker 10

  Correct. So this is where we gotta be a little careful to not

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:02:08Speaker 10

  make people's eyes start glazing over here.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Speaker 10

  Fully guaranteed literally means unless you totally fuck up and like, you know, where you've done something very wrong and basically your guarantees go away, they can't, you're gonna get that money.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's nothing to do with on field performance. This is more like there's something like a crime committed or an injury or

• 1:02:29Speaker 10

  A lot of different things, suspended for violation of a bunch of policies, like stuff like that.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:02:34Speaker 10

  There's such a thing called injury guarantees, right?

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:02:37Speaker 10

  Injury guarantees, if they have no other guarantees that that go with them, don't really help all that much.

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Injuries.

• 1:02:46Speaker 10

  Because the reality is most players' injuries do not last long enough from one season to the next where you can't find a spot where the player's healthy and to cut them. So that would be when something just has an injury guarantee, it's not all that protective.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:03:05Speaker 10

  If that makes sense.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  It does. Yeah.

• 1:03:07Travis Kelce?

  When you see average like fans of the NFL on, on any of these social medias say that the cap is not real, how close?

• 1:03:19Travis Kelce?

  And true is that?

• 1:03:20Speaker 10

  I think that's more true for some teams than others, if that makes sense.

• 1:03:24Travis Kelce?

  Interesting.

• 1:03:25Speaker 10

  I think the truth is if all you cared about was winning every game, you know, was really like winning was singularly the most important thing, your owner was committed to spending balls to the wall, crazy cash all the time. And you were just going to be super aggressive. I think that's largely the case.

• 1:03:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:47Speaker 10

  You could, you may eventually get yourself into some real trouble.

• 1:03:51Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 1:03:51Speaker 10

  But I think for other teams, they don't want to be in that situation. They're a lot more, I don't know if responsible or cheap, both of those are words you could use.

• 1:04:02Travis Kelce?

  In the eye of the beholder. If the average fan wants to sound smarter on, on social media or in conversation, what are the terms that they should be focusing on and learning? There we go.

• 1:04:15Speaker 10

  Well, I think anytime they talk about a contract, they should look to see how much is guaranteed because that gives an element of like how authentic those numbers are.

• 1:04:26Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:04:27Speaker 10

  I think they should be careful when you see, you know, just to go back to, these big numbers are put out by agents largely. And then the agents are in a super competitive recruiting environment to try to get more players. Yeah, they think it helps them to say, hey, look what I got so and so, look what I got so and so.

• 1:04:46Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 1:04:46Speaker 10

  Even if it never is intended to work that way. And teams will help them in ways where it helps get a deal done.

• 1:04:54Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 1:04:55Speaker 10

  This is as an example, if an agent feels like he needs to get a player to a certain number, so it looks better. And you know, realistically, this player is only going to play two years. You may do a three or four year deal and those year three and year four may be significantly higher.

• 1:05:16Travis Kelce?

  Right. The old pro rate. Yeah.

• 1:05:19Speaker 10

  But like this is, this is where you're basically playing off the fact that this isn't guaranteed money.

• 1:05:25Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 1:05:25Speaker 10

  So if it goes five, five, 2020. Now it's a four-year, $50 million deal where realistically it's only a two-year, $10 million deal.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  Exactly. That's a great example. That's well put that people can hold on to.

• 1:05:40Travis Kelce?

  Don't believe everything you read, kids.

• 1:05:42Speaker 10

  So right, free agency, when you see four-year, $50 million deal with 10 million guaranteed, you should say bullshit.

• 1:05:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 1:05:53Travis Kelce?

  On it.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  Good deal. I want to be very clear, though. I have done a lot of deals with Jake. As you said, I'm very happy with all those deals. Jason Bernstein, if you're paying attention, you did a great job.

• 1:06:03Travis Kelce?

  Jay Byrne.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, we got one more here?

• 1:06:05Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, one more. Does college football need a salary cap?

• 1:06:09Speaker 10

  Oh, man. I mean, there is effectively a salary cap coming in terms of rev share depending on this settlement being approved or whatever.

• 1:06:19Travis Kelce?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:06:20Speaker 10

  I think college football does need a salary cap if they want to stay competitive where, you know, you have more than one conference or two conferences that are competing at the highest level.

• 1:06:31Travis Kelce?

  Because the big schools are eventually going to be able to just pay for these, these kids like, yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  My big thing, though, with college football, too, is I feel like this idea of the portal opening up every two times a year. And there's no, there's got to be like some type of contract signed on the player's behalf. They have too much power. We've reverted to like the complete opposite of what was the case, which everybody can acknowledge what was the case was not fair at all.

• 1:06:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  But now it's like, dude, there needs to be some type of commitment here from the player's side for like a two to three-year contract. And I don't know what that is, but that just seems like it makes sense to me on something that would be something fair for both sides of what's happening in college sports.

• 1:07:12Speaker 10

  Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a crazy, you think about in the NFL and the good teams and the continuity of the best players. You know, in college now, you have two portals, one portal, the winter portal opens while bowl season is still like in full swing. So your players coming and going. And now you're in spring, you're in spring portal time where some of the players who signed or stayed in the winter and took money are now like all they've done is, is participated in the spring and now they're already out the door.

• 1:07:42Travis Kelce?

  This is crazy.

• 1:07:43Speaker 10

  And you have coaches who are still trying to win games like the basketball portal opened while the NCAA tournament was still going on. And so coaches are recruiting new players, losing existing players and still trying to win tournament games.

• 1:07:55Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely insane.

• 1:07:57Speaker 10

  Yeah, it's wild.

• 1:07:58Travis Kelce?

  Well, hopefully they figure it out, right?

• 1:08:01Travis Kelce?

  Jake, thank you for coming on, dog.

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Travis Kelce?

  We appreciate you, brother.

• 1:08:05Speaker 10

  Thanks for having me, guys.

• 1:08:06Travis Kelce?

  That shit was fun, man.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  Is there anything else that we missed that you think is pertinent for people to understand about salary cap or any of this stuff?

• 1:08:13Speaker 10

  I mean, this was like, you know, a fraction of 1%. I'm sure there's more stuff. But, you know, as far as how teams manage and, and player, this is largely the case. I mean, I think that's why in the beginning of free agency, when you guys start talking about all this, it's hard to just take surface level numbers and the people who report on all this stuff, you know, they're trying to get information and they get information by having good relationships with agents. And so there isn't necessarily like competitive balance there either, you know, it's, it's a system and it's a machine and everyone sort of has some vested interest. Yeah, you gotta take everything with a grain of salt, like everything else in life, I guess.

• 1:08:54Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  All right, Jake, thanks so much for having on.

• 1:08:57Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate it, brother.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jake Rosenberg for joining us. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Give us a new episode of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:09:14Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Suave Men. That's right, that no nonsense. That's what you're looking for right there.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  Special announcement, we will be back Friday with a special guest episode. You're not going to want to miss this. NBA playoffs starting. It's a fun one. Do you want me to tease who it is?

• 1:09:35Travis Kelce?

  I just did.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:09:39Travis Kelce?

  Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. Thanks to our production and crew as always. You're gonna have your hands full for this one. And to the 92 Pretenders for tuning in. We'll see you guys next week.

• 1:10:01Travis Kelce?

  See my Lumen computer?

• 1:10:03Speaker 04

  That's fucking sick. I'm jealous.

• 1:10:06Travis Kelce?

  They, uh, they sent me a senior refiner Audi gifting memo.

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:10:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. So I got some gifts in there. It's pretty sweet from my inner. My inner is, uh, he seems to be very active.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  Do you have an INI?

• 1:10:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Jason.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  You have an INI?

• 1:10:20Travis Kelce?

  Is this my INI or is this my Audi? Are we just living in a simulation?

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  Where would your, would your INI be at the, on the field? You turn into the INI Travis Kelce?

• 1:10:30Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that, yeah, that would be my INI, even though I remember my last game. So now.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, the pain has not been erased.

• 1:10:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, exactly.