Broncos Star Patrick Surtain II & His Dad, Former NFL CB Pat Surtain on the 2022 Season

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find As The Pivot gets underway launching a special series in August of NFL Training Camp shows featuring NFL players and coaches around the league, Denver's Pat Surtain II is joined by his father, former NFL star cornerback Patrick Surtain for an in-depth conversation with Ryan, Channing and Fred sharing perspectives from two NFL generations and goals for the upcoming 2022 season. The 9th draft pick overall for 2021, Pat Surtain II is entering his second NFL season with the Broncos after coming off a stellar rookie season and on pace for an All Pro career, much like his father had. Acknowledging the tough AFC West Division as the most competitive in the NFL this season, Pat says that whoever finishes atop the AFC West will be the Super Bowl team and believes Denver can hit that mark. With the addition of Russell Wilson as quarterback, Pat believes it has elevated the playing field for the divisional matchups with Kansas City, LA and Las Vegas, now having a leader who can compete with the other three. Ryan, still a little bitter about Pat II not attending LSU, jokes about the WRs the Tigers had vs Pat's Alabama teammates and where they rank in the NFL today. Channing and Fred ask what motivates him and propels him to work hard despite growing up in an environment very different from a lot of guys in the league. Another Denver great and one of the cornerbacks Pat modeled his play after and looked up to, Champ Bailey, says young Pat has the special skill set to be a Hall Of Famer. Pat, being raised in a NFL family, then having his dad coach him at the high school level shares what it was like growing up with the opportunities but also the pressures surrounding his play on the field. Pat Sr and Fred further the discussion about parenting and when to push your kids or know they have it in them vs the parents who push their kids too hard at youth sports trying to live vicariously through their child. After an extremely successful high school coaching stint in South Florida, Pat Sr is now in his first year coaching with the Miami Dolphins and talks how this will be the first time in his son's life that he isn't able to attend his games which will definitely be an adjustment. Pat also talks about the Miami Dolphins and how full of talent and depth the team is at each position and will make a run to challenge the AFC East favorite Buffalo Bills. New Episodes of The Pivot release every Tuesday at 12 noon eastern with special drops on Friday afternoons. All shows are available on Youtube, Spotify, Apple and other audio streaming platforms. Follow ThePivot on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok for behind the scenes of the episodes and exclusive updates around the show. Don't forget to get your latest Pivot merchandise and tag us on social media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  My dad played in the league, and then I bought his house. That's not a good story. That's not a good story, you know what I'm saying? He just played because he had no choice.

• 0:38Channing Crowder?

  He did have a choice. He could've told me, "Daddy kissed my ass."

• 0:40Ryan Clark?

  Bro, could you imagine? Everywhere he would walk, the rest of his life, people would be like, "Hey, man, you don't play no ball?" You know what I'm saying? You know how it be? Like, he was just walking around, you know, on the counter or something. They'd be like, "Dad, you used to play ball?" "Oh, no, sir, I have been a genius my whole life." It'd be a waste of skin. Yeah, yeah, it'd be a waste of skin.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  Well, you know, with friends, all of us been in that situation. You and your pops, you and your son, you and your son. So, that shit come full circle.

• 1:05Channing Crowder?

  That's crazy, man. And they put their expectations.

• 1:08Ryan Clark?

  Bruh. Hey, we're talking about it, it's good, it's good. Like, yo, pops was like, one of the best to ever do it at the position, and then you do it, and you're more physically gifted.

• 1:17Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, and his daddy wasn't, he wasn't on, you know, All-Rookie Team either. I just...

• 1:21Ryan Clark?

  You was All-Rookie Team?

• 1:22Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, his daddy wasn't All-Rookie Team, he was.

• 1:24Ryan Clark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25Channing Crowder?

  Was I All-Rookie? I don't even remember.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  No, no, no, you weren't, I linked it up. Oh, you linked it up?

• 1:33Speaker 04

  Hold up. Limited, niggas tell me kinda pinning it. I fought to hear the witness it. Got my people feeling militant. Way I'm feeling got me up. On the mission got me up. Knowing me, I got the key. Only vision I can trust, trust. Limited, niggas tell me kinda pinning it. I fought to hear the witness it. Got my people feeling militant. Way I'm feeling got me up. On the mission got me up.

• 1:56Ryan Clark?

  All right, man, shoot. You ready, bro? Yeah, man. You know what? You know what I love, man? I love when I get around y'all, whether it's Fred, you know, obviously Pat, Lil Pat now. And like, such a great organization is represented on the show. I mean, obviously, obviously, I represented every time I sit here, but when you wear a Steelers hat, I just want to know, like, when you put it on, like, what do you feel?

• 2:21Channing Crowder?

  I wore it for the colors. That's all it was. Yellow, black, name another NFL team, yellow, black, and white that matched the Pivot shirt. That's the only reason I don't with the Steelers.

• 2:30Ryan Clark?

  That's not true.

• 2:31Channing Crowder?

  I don't.

• 2:31Ryan Clark?

  I, bro, I watched you basically want to change your entire life to go play for Mike Tomlin. Like, I, no, I watched it, bro.

• 2:40Channing Crowder?

  Bro, Mike Tomlin stole my heart, bro.

• 2:44Channing Crowder?

  I'm sitting there playing for Cam Cameron and Nick Saban, and I walk in Mike Tomlin's house, he got his foot up on the table, camo, camo cargo pants on, like, what's up, fellas? Go to the bar, get what you want to drink.

• 2:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 2:57Channing Crowder?

  Just real. Head coaches do this? I was taken back, bro, by seeing that Mike Tomlin.

• 3:03Fred Taylor?

  And that's how he sat. He just opened his legs.

• 3:06Channing Crowder?

  He sat back like this, and played in the bar for that. We all get y'all to drink.

• 3:09Fred Taylor?

  No, no, that's how you sat. You started creaming and all that other shit.

• 3:12Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:15Channing Crowder?

  He said, he's like, he's like, Mike T could have hit me that day.

• 3:20Channing Crowder?

  My, my head leaned in one time, I leaned in too. I ain't know what was going on. I'm gonna mess your energy.

• 3:27Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man, hey, man, welcome to the Pivot. Obviously, we got Chan, man, Freddie Flowers, Freaky Freddie. This is, I mean, for, for me, it's a treat. You know what I mean? Have Pat Surtain, Pat Surtain the second, New Orleans legend, for sure. So that means a, a ton to me. Should I met you, you were seventeen, eighteen years old, and you was already a dang pro, man? Welcome to the Pivot. This is something I've wanted to do since the show started, and I think it's dope. We've all lived the life of playing the game and having sons, you know, that, that want to play the game and want to be in athletics, but both of you have done it to an elite level. You know what I'm saying? Pro Bowler yourself. Going to be one of the best to ever do it.

• 4:11Ryan Clark?

  So I think that's a, it's just a dope, a dope connection that you guys have done what you've done athletically, but you still just as that. You know what I'm saying? Welcome to the pivot. You guys subscribe, like, whether it's YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Shout out to Happy Dad, our sponsors. And I'm gonna just jump right into it, man. And I'm gonna start with you, Big Pat. What is it like, man, when you know you got one? Right? Because we all, we've all played the game and we know what it looks like. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've been there and we've seen it. And when you see your son and he, and when, when was the point you looked at him and said, he got a chance?

• 4:52Speaker 03

  You know what? I, I think it was early. I think it was around 10. And didn't know that he was gonna play this position, even though, you know, other things would tell me that he would. But he actually played running back in Little League. And he was the guy that gave him the ball. He scored a touchdown and shit. But what, what I saw, I saw just a natural ability, you know, as a DB, Ryan. I just saw a natural ability at that early age to find a football in the air. Like, turn and locate the ball and that's rare. Even for guys in the league today, that's rare to do. And when I saw that, like, oh shit, okay, he got a chance. And obviously, as he start growing, the feet start hanging out the bed and shit, the neck start getting big.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  Oh, man, this dude here, you know, it almost happened overnight. When he got to high school, his body just started to transform. He, obviously, he was always fast and quick. And for that size to, to move like that, like, okay, okay, he, he, he's gonna be one. And obviously, you know, went on to have a hell of a high school career, college career, and now, you know, doing great things in the pros.

• 6:01Fred Taylor?

  At what point did he get to your height and start looking you in your eye? And you say, you know what? Try it if you want to.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  You know what?

• 6:09Fred Taylor?

  What age was that, around what grade?

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Man, that was around 10th grade. You know, when you're on the... You, obviously, you got that grown man strength over there. So, I remember basketball, I would back his ass down.

• 6:21Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Back him under the goal, just shoot layups. He used to get pissed off. And I think he, he started developing that now. This ain't about to happen now. See, he went in the weight room, he bent almost 375, just... Dang. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, "Duh, who the, who the milkman is?"

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Where all this shit come from? But, uh, you know, it's just exciting to see him grow up, man. And on top of just being the football player that he is, man, he, he's so humble, he's so unassuming, and he just go about his business, man. He actually been a pro since high school.

• 6:57Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  You know, it's just in his demeanor, the way he carry himself, man, and, uh, just, just proud pops. Y'all never had to lock up? Nah, we never... No, he's...

• 7:06Channing Crowder?

  He ain't never, he ain't never tell you something one day, you like, "Hold on now, daddy, man, like, these arms long." Because you just said, he bitching, like, you know what I'm saying? It got to the point where you might have to, you know, grab big Pat.

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I started like, I started noticing like, my transformation like at 10th grade. Because like, I wasn't really in the weight room till like freshman year. And I was a little kid, lifting like 125, like 145, and I barely lifted. And the next year came, I started lifting like 185. And then I was like, I could feel me like getting bigger, faster, stronger. And years after years, I got bigger, and I started looking at him like, "Yo."

• 7:44Speaker 06

  "Yeah, I got, I got something for you now."

• 7:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Between that, that weight room strength, that's grown man strength. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 7:52Fred Taylor?

  So, that's crazy, and RC, I gotta back, take us back a second. You gave your props to your New Orleans legend. But Pat Junior's a Florida legend. I mean, to play at one of the most prestigious high schools, you know, in the country, not just the state, but American Heritage Broward County. I mean, he's been, you've had to learn how to handle success early. You know, and then you're coming up in an era with social media, and now you escaped the NIL part. I ain't gonna say what, nothing about Bama, though. But I'll let RC handle that. But you've been a superstar your entire life. You know, but again, your father's been able to set the example and you were able to, you know, sponge that out.

• 8:36Fred Taylor?

  What was it like in high school? You know, you know, having people looking at you, the fan of yours, you signing autographs and all of that. Was that ever, was it ever a situation where it was too big, too much to handle for you?

• 8:51Speaker 06

  I wouldn't say too big, because you know, you sort of expected at that type of pedigree, especially like, you know, growing up playing football at a high level at a young age. But like, I just felt like, when you get to that stage, that high school stage, you know, you just take it day by day. You know, when the offers come, then schools start looking at you, it was just like, you know, another day in the office. Like, I just felt like, when you're at that point in your life, you just look at all the things it took for you to get there, and it's like, you deserve it, you know, everything.

• 9:23Fred Taylor?

  Did you ever pay attention to the star rating? Five star, four star? Did that matter to you any?

• 9:29Speaker 06

  Nah, because really, I could name two star, three star dudes here that could be five stars anywhere else. And you know, like, I just go in there every day, like, somebody could take your spot, or like, there's a kid out there that's more, you know, hungry than you are at some, some point. But like, I just kept my head down and started working. You know, my work ethic, you know, described for itself. You know, I just go out there, work every day.

• 9:56Fred Taylor?

  I spoke to Champ Bailey this morning, another pro Hall of Famer, Denver Bronco, great, and I asked him what he thought about you. He said, with his size, potential, the rookie campaign that he put together, he definitely has Hall of Fame potential. Those are big words coming from a Hall of Famer that knows the game inside out. So you're on the right track.

• 10:17Channing Crowder?

  And I gotta ask, bro, you changed your name? I don't want to get it wrong. It was Surtain and Surtain, what's your last name?

• 10:26Speaker 03

  It's crazy, dawg, because Ryan pronounced it perfectly. It's something about isophaguses in the water, man. 5-0-4. Like, I can say Surtain all day, but some people, Surtain, Surt-

• 10:42Channing Crowder?

  Surtain.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  Surtain.

• 10:44Channing Crowder?

  Pat Surtain.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  See?

• 10:46Channing Crowder?

  I gotta get it right, baby.

• 10:48Ryan Clark?

  Surtain.

• 10:49Speaker 06

  So the I is silent.

• 10:50Ryan Clark?

  But the thing is this though.

• 10:51Channing Crowder?

  Silent I.

• 10:52Ryan Clark?

  This was crazy.

• 10:53Channing Crowder?

  I've never seen a silent I.

• 10:54Ryan Clark?

  For me, the reason, so for me, the reason I know it is because every Friday night I heard it. Right? You get home, remember Friday night football would come on every week we played? And that's all you would hear, Ed Nacart, Pat Surtain, Pat Surtain. And it was one of those things that like, we had such a small community of ballers that you looked up to cats. And so when he went to Southern Miss and he moved to DB, like he was the guy that for me, like you talk, he talked about Lil Pat playing running back. At the crib, all the best athletes played quarterback. Right? Everybody, they just put the football in your hand, you played quarterback. And so we all kind of followed that path. I moved to DB as a sophomore in high school. And so watching him play and knowing who he was, like he was somebody you looked up to.

• 11:39Ryan Clark?

  Like, okay, Pat did it. Pat's now with Miami. No, we could do it. But my issue, I only had one issue with Pat. And I've never had any other issue with it. And now I get an opportunity to hash it out. He from the NO, right? The NO made him. He's a boot boy, right? His whole recruitment, I never had to say nothing to him because everybody at the building said to me, "He is coming to LSU." I was like, you know, do I need to talk to him? Do I need to call him when I see him at the opening? What I need to say? "Oh no, RC, we got that. He is coming to LSU." So I'm signing day, I'm like, gee, we finna sign Lil Pat? It's gonna be on. All of a sudden, Pat Surtain the second commits to Al- to who?

• 12:23Ryan Clark?

  Like Stephen A. saying, Alabama? So I'm gonna ask you, bro, what happened?

• 12:29Speaker 06

  I mean, like I was an LSU fan growing up. That was my childhood team. You know, me and C-Ray, Corey Raymond? You know, we built a relationship, like a tight relationship going on. Like we would talk damn near every day during the whole recruiting process. But like, you know, you know how you weigh down certain schools? You know, you pick your pros and cons then, you know, it's between Bama and LSU. I real deal like, I ain't made my decision until like 12 in the morning, the day before, like the day before signing day. And there was something like.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  It's just one of them situations where it's like you had to make the best decision for you. You know, I just weighed my pros and cons out. You know, Alabama had more pros than LSU, but like either way how it went, I feel like if I would've went to LSU, I'd have been in the same position I am right now. So like, no, I don't take any credit away from LSU because I was really like thinking like, man, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Then I just made my decision and it was like, I can't go wrong with either choice and I'll just pick Alabama.

• 13:37Ryan Clark?

  How'd the conversation go when he made the decision? Was it just, hey, Pop, this is where I'm going? Or did y'all have a discussion about it? And like, and what part did you play in the recruiting process?

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, like he said, man, it went down to the final hours. I, it was even after 12 and you can just see the anguish on his face. You know, everybody want to get recruited big time until they get recruited big time. Then that shit is a burden on them. Being recruited then for three, four years is tough. And I can remember, man, we had, we had five in-home visits in one day. Yeah, Dabo Sweeney was there, then Ed Orgeron came, Florida State came, I think Bama came, then Miami came. Five in one day. So, you know, like he said, man, I told him, you're not making this decision for me or your mom

• 14:32Speaker 03

  or the certain family in New Orleans. You're making this decision for you and you only. You know, I grew up in New Orleans, you grew up in Florida. Make this decision, man, and live with it. I like, you can't go wrong with either place. Obviously, me and Cora still cool this day. And you know, man, when, when that guy, that little shark guy in Tuscaloosa come calling, man.

• 14:52Ryan Clark?

  It's different.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  It's different and, you know, I like, make the decision all for you, man, and live with it. And obviously, like he said, you can't go wrong with either place. He played with Trayvon Diggs at corner, at LSU he played with Christian Foden and Stingley and all the fat New Orleans boys. So.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  DBs are what those two schools produce. So he couldn't go wrong either way. And obviously, it turned out the best. Like I say, had a hell of a college career. SEC Defensive Player of the Year, June year, and now he's doing this.

• 15:26Channing Crowder?

  And Pat, there's a room out there I got asked about.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  What's up? Let me know.

• 15:32Channing Crowder?

  Jalen Brunson just went to the Knicks. Got him 100 million. They hired his daddy.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 15:37Channing Crowder?

  Two, three weeks before that.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:39Channing Crowder?

  And I didn't know if it was an angle. You know, his dad was a coach, a respected coach. But the Knicks hired him. And the rumor is that that would influence Jalen Brunson to come to the Knicks.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 15:48Channing Crowder?

  There's a rumor that Alabama offered you a job.

• 15:53Channing Crowder?

  I just need to know it's out there. You know what I'm saying? It ain't no secret, but it ain't never been spoken.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  They didn't offer me the job. Because if they would've offered me the job, I would've took the shit.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  But I did interview for the job.

• 16:07Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  I interviewed for the job. They, you know, flew me up there with that, man. And I thought it was a good interview. But obviously, I don't know if I would've wanted to coach him at that level. You know, I just think it would've been awkward for him. And he's already carrying my name. And guys think that he hadn't earned with, you know, the all the accolades that he'd gotten in the coaching at the college level. I don't, I don't think I would've wanted to do that.

• 16:33Channing Crowder?

  Pat, that's something else too. Something else I wanted. Because I named my son Channing Crowder. He's the third.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:38Channing Crowder?

  I'm the second.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:39Channing Crowder?

  My dad's, so like even when he's playing baseball and he goes up to bat, and they say, "Next at bat, Channing Crowder." You see people standing up and looking over in the visitor stands.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:50Channing Crowder?

  Because the name clicks.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:51Channing Crowder?

  For both of y'all though, like, would you have done that different? The pressure that you put on him, bro? Because I know we killing you because, you know.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 17:00Channing Crowder?

  Look, Pat's a dog. But you was a dog too.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:03Channing Crowder?

  So that pressure of having your name, is that something that just talking to dads out there that did it like me? That pressure of putting your name on somebody when you're so successful? Would you have done anything different?

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Absolutely not. I would've did the same thing because... Even though there's pressure and you know, your pops played at the highest level. You can't sell him short. I've seen him put the work in. I've seen him grow into the player he has become. So, nobody anywhere could say that he was given anything. He was given that. He earned it. Obviously, he didn't grow up like me. I grew up in Magnolia Projects. Obviously, as a dad, you want your kids to have a better life than you. He didn't grow up like me, and that's fine. That's totally fine. But I just know the kind of person and kind of player he is. And I saw him grind to get to where he's gotten. And what better name to carry on than your pops' name?

• 17:56Speaker 03

  But at the end of the day, man, like I tell him all the time, go blaze a trail all of your own. You know, don't worry about what pops did. It's your time. Now, I had my time. Go do you. And for the most part, he's doing that.

• 18:09Channing Crowder?

  And on your side, from the other side of being Pat Surtain, am I getting it better?

• 18:15Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 18:16Channing Crowder?

  Pat Surtain, being Pat Surtain the second. What was that like?

• 18:21Speaker 06

  It was pretty dope. I mean, I just felt like, you know, it's just like honoring that legacy. And you know, just setting that mark for yourself. And I just felt like, you know, just looking at him playing when I was a jit. You know, just looking towards it. I just felt like it just made me even want to get to that point where I'm at now. You know, just carrying on that family legacy. You know, just representing for that Surtain family. And I just think that.

• 18:50Ryan Clark?

  Was there ever any pressure, though, right? You know, just in the sense that when, I mean, and it's probably maybe had to be double for you because not only is that your father and you carry his name, but he was your high school coach. You know, and it can seem, you know, people are always going to say that, right? Because he mentioned not growing up like him. You know, and I've had the conversation with them oftentimes and other people. How do we give y'all those adverse experiences when we've built this different life? Was there ever the pressure of people coming at you because of that name? Because now you aren't growing up like many people might grow up in Broward County? Did you ever feel that pressure of like, I gotta go out and prove every day that everything I've earned is about me? It's about Pat Surtain the second, not my pops?

• 19:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, definitely. Every day, you could have, you know, coaches come in, you know, mention my dad like.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  The pressure, does it build on you? You know, does it wear you out? Kind of, I'd just be like, you know, I just put my head down and work. Because at the end of the day, you gotta make a name for yourself. Whether you share the name, share the same name, or you know, just make your own name, you still gotta build on your brand, build on your legacy. So, you know, when I look at it, I just look at it, you know, just another step forward. You know, you gotta, you know, live for those moments when all the pressure on you, you know, you just gotta put your head down and work, you know, and just prove them wrong. So, that's what I...

• 20:11Ryan Clark?

  Going, going to a school like American Heritage and, and coaching at a school like that. We were talking when we sat down and I was asking you, all right, Big Pat, like, how many pros did you coach there? And you kind of ran through some of those names. Can you run through some of those names again? Because, and Fred spoke about it earlier, you know, with, with pride, obviously, you know, being from Florida. But, you know how it goes, dawg, when you from the NO, we think we got the best. You know what I'm saying? Like, we talk, you know, I'm always like, nah, we got this boy, this boy in the league, this boy in the league. But you ran through some of those names. What was it like coaching, you know, at that school? And getting an opportunity to coach a future pro who shared your name?

• 20:55Speaker 03

  You know what, man? It, it's been a renaissance. I, actually, I tried to get Channing over there to coach, but he was so busy, couldn't do it. Like, I can get there after five, after five, man, practice gonna be over. So, so we had to go another direction. But it's, it's, it's been awesome, man. Starting off, I think Sony and Isaiah McKenzie, that class kind of propelled. I think Sony and, and your son was the high school national players of the year.

• 21:23Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  At the same year. So, obviously Sony started off, Isaiah came, and then it's just been a wave. It's been a wave ever since. Brian Burns, who's about to make a hundred million dollars in Carolina. Then obviously, we had six guys drafted in one class, which is unheard of. On a roster that only has at the maximum 45 dudes.

• 21:44Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  So, it's not a hundred man roster. The pick of the litter, out of the 45, you got six dudes drafted, probably never be done again. But honestly, it was Pat, Tyson Campbell went to Jacksonville,

• 21:58Speaker 03

  Anthony Schwartz at Cleveland. Then we had Marco Wilson at Arizona. Khalil Herbert, the running back at Chicago. TJ Sladen went to... Green Bay D tackle. And then Nick Eubanks, he's in the league. And even this year, Brandon Johnson, he's with Denver. And there's more and more to come. Like, it's crazy. Like, next year, it'll probably have three or four more. The following year. Got a little pipe. And Channing even coached the guy there now, Brandon Ennis. In a couple of years.

• 22:33Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  A dog.

• 22:34Fred Taylor?

  I get excited, because I know the history of Tyson.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:39Fred Taylor?

  And Pat. Tyson played running back, probably one DB. So that always sparked an interest in me, knowing Blood, you know, Tyson, that, the history of that. But you coached a ton of guys with the NFL ability. Dallas Turner, who just went to Bama, who's gonna be a dog, he's a dog. And this is crazy. Coaching your son, I know you can say, this is my favorite player. Did you have a favorite player? Because when I look at a dad coaching their son, I think about Deion coaching his two boys.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 23:16Fred Taylor?

  High school, and now Jackson State, shout out HBCU. Is it easy to take the bias out of it when you're coaching your kid? Or do you say, you know what, I gotta make sure my child, I gotta work him extra hard?

• 23:32Speaker 03

  You know what I did, Fred? I was the head guy, so I delegated. And I had, and my whole thing is, if you're gonna be a great or even a good head coach, you gotta surround yourself with like-minded people.

• 23:46Fred Taylor?

  For sure.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  You gotta hire staff around who you can trust and just let them handle it. So, we had Chad Wilson, who's, he has two sons in the league, Quincy and Marco. And he was our DB coach. And also Darryl Porter, who was our D coordinator. I let them handle them, man. You know, obviously, we did our little thing on the side, but as a head man, you gotta let those guys do their job. And obviously, it wasn't a one-man show.

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• 24:49Speaker 03

  There was a lot of hands on deck to facilitate this, not only with him, but all the guys. Mike Smith, who's our trainer, now the head coach at Heritage. So, there's a lot of guys that were part of the process, man. And, like, just to build something special in that short amount of time, it took a village, you know? It is what it is now.

• 25:11Fred Taylor?

  Now you're back in the NFL coaching.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Now I'm back in the NFL.

• 25:14Fred Taylor?

  With your main man, with Sam Maddy.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:17Fred Taylor?

  But you also have, you're coaching guys like Xavier Howard and Byron Jones, who's right now considered to be the second best tandem in Miami Dolphins history. How does it feel to still be able to carry, you know, the number one ranking as a collective, as a tandem between you and Sam, and now you're back in the building coaching those guys who has an opportunity, they have an opportunity to be just as good as you guys were. You know, is it surreal? How does that feel?

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, we remind them guys all the time now. And Coach McDaniels does a good job, because he had to throw our film on in a team meeting, like, let them guys see, you know, what was really going on. Like you said, press every down, that shit hard to do. It's hard to do, especially in a league where we played against about eight Hall of Fame receivers. In that day. And I tell people all the time, man, one of the guys who, most underrated guys I played against who don't get the credit is Jimmy Smith.

• 26:16Fred Taylor?

  Jay Smo, yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Monster. Monster. Monster, dawg. But you can look at, you look at Moss, T.O., Marvin Harrison.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Damn, even the late, great Terry Glenn, who was a dog.

• 26:27Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Had a lot of dudes back then, man. And, but at the same time, you have an obligation to, to, to teach them guys and, and to, to let them know, you know, what to look for. Obviously, X and Byron, they, they've had, you know, great careers, you know, so far. We, we just have to enhance that.

• 26:44Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Enhance that. And, and with, with me and, and Sam, and, and then we have a couple of more coaches, just, just getting on the map. I think they're going in the right direction.

• 26:56Channing Crowder?

  I was gonna say, real quick, Pat, you know, you know, I like to argue. Y'all was in two man. You had a safety over top.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  They played a lot of four press too, man.

• 27:04Channing Crowder?

  But they was, but four still got two safeties over top.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  They won them two, man.

• 27:07Channing Crowder?

  X and Byron were in z- they were in zero.

• 27:11Ryan Clark?

  That's not true.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Oh, that, that.

• 27:12Channing Crowder?

  They are in zero. They are blitzing, they're in zero.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Listen, in, in, in some instances, they are in zero. But it's just because you have two high safeties don't mean you're in two man. If you have a tight end to your side and you hard run fake to that tight end, that safety has that alley.

• 27:27Channing Crowder?

  Safety coming down.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  You just coming down. Paid man to Marvin Harrison. You got that long stretch? And Marvin run that post all the way across the damn field. That's why you're a safety there.

• 27:36Channing Crowder?

  And you gotta get on that horn.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  You gotta get on the horn. Impressed.

• 27:39Ryan Clark?

  Hey, bro, why you always trying people?

• 27:42Fred Taylor?

  And why you wanna fuck?

• 27:42Ryan Clark?

  Like, we know what this man did.

• 27:44Channing Crowder?

  Cause that's my man. I know I can try Pat. I know Pat gonna get right there with me.

• 27:49Fred Taylor?

  You ain't coaching nothing. This is the reason why you on the pivot. Relax, bruh.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  But, but yeah, you, you totally right. Them boys was in, in zero a lot.

• 27:58Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  The, the formation dictated that a little bit, but they.

• 28:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, but they dogs though. X, X and Byron could play ball, man. And them young safety, Brandon and, um.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Javon Hollis would really go.

• 28:08Channing Crowder?

  Oh, my goodness. Yeah, y'all got a little, y'all got a little secondary.

• 28:11Ryan Clark?

  What's crazy is though, if X and if Byron were here, they might be like the second and third best corners in the room. Because Lil Pat has an opportunity to be better and from what he did his rookie year, he's shown that all the hype, going type top 10, all those things are true. Coming out, you know, top one or two player in the country, out of high school, out of American heritage. But I want to go back to, and Fred normally does this, Fred's like the pivoter, back to other stuff. I want to go back to draft night, you know, and I do a lot of reading and I try to like stay up on things, but apparently you brought a picture with you to the draft and it was your grandparents. What did that moment mean to you?

• 28:52Speaker 06

  It was special because I didn't even know he brought the picture. And it was just like, it was such an experience where you ain't gonna get that back. It was so memorable because, you know, all the family, all your intimate family was in there sharing that special moment with you. Then when I got, when I heard my name called, you know, it was special and I seen the picture, you know, it brought tears to my eyes because like, you know, my grandparents, you know, they've, they've been a key part of my life, you know, they've instilled in me so many things. I've learned so many things from them, especially going on to him, what they taught him and how he carry himself is sort of like brought that on down to me because, you know, you

• 29:36Speaker 06

  know, they've always been by my side, they've, and they came to every game supporting me. So, you know, just seeing that picture, I already know they in the sky, you know, looking down on me. So, you know, when I shared that moment with my family, it was so like surreal, you know, all the emotion shattered, you know, but it was, it was a special day because it was like, and it was a crazy day as well too, because it was like one of them drafts where it was like, okay, what you call it, got picked, you know, J.C. got picked before me. And I thought I was gonna go to Dallas, but turns out Denver picked me. I just never ever talked to Denver during the whole draft process. But you know, when Denver picked me, it was just an awesome feeling.

• 30:16Ryan Clark?

  You know, I'm gonna get to Big Pat, what's crazy is one of my homeboys-

• 30:20Speaker 06

  You keep calling him Big Pat. That look like Big Pat.

• 30:23Ryan Clark?

  Well, hey, hey, hey, listen, we, we, we have all, we all got kids. We go always be the big one in the house.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  I'm big, Pat, he's lean Pat.

• 30:30Ryan Clark?

  Lean Pat, long, tall Pat. Uh, my homeboy is named Joe Witt, he coaches in Dallas. And, uh, Dallas needed a corner, right? So, uh, J.C. goes first and like, we text every draft. We text every draft. And I was like, yeah, dawg, you know what I'm saying? Like, y'all, y'all, y'all can get Pat though. You know what I mean? And the text he sent me goes, not if Denver takes him first. You know what I mean? At the time, you know, in doing all my, my, my scouting and everything I was doing, Denver was never associated with your name. And so when he sent me that text, I was like, nah, they not gonna take him. And then you, then you win. I was like, oh, my bad, dawg, I was wrong. Pat, you, you know, you're sitting there, you know, you, you have the picture with you.

• 31:14Ryan Clark?

  Uh, as a father who, who has been through it, the, the one thing I think is always the blessing is, we don't have to live through them. Right? Like, like, we see these dads who, who knock knee, pigeon-toed, barrel-bellied, and they mad because their son can't start on a little league team. Bro, you can't play either. You know what I'm saying? Like, why you out here fussing? But for you, you know, you've been there, you've done that, you've played at the highest level. So you get to let Lil Pat have his own moments. As, as a father, though, what is it like when, when he gets that call? You get to, you know, hand him, you know, that picture and, you know, watch him be drafted to Denver?

• 31:52Speaker 03

  One of the most special moments, you know, in my life. You know, is when, when you have a seed, man, that not, and they don't even have to carry a name, but when you have a son who's, whose dream is about to be fulfilled, it, it, it's such a special feeling and all. Like you said, I had no clue Denver was gonna take him. Because they had just, oh, got Kyle Fuller, they had Darby, they had Callahan. So their secondary was, was loaded.

• 32:19Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  And from, from all intuition, you know, talking to his agent, I, I, I thought it was gonna be Dallas. And, uh... When Denver called with the ninth pick and got him, man, it was just, it was emotional. It was emotional, not only for me, but with my entire family. And like he said, man, he was, he was a grandmother's boy. Like my mom, man, was, he couldn't do no wrong by him. She'll whoop all the-

• 32:48Ryan Clark?

  Pamela?

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. She'll whoop all the other grandkids, but wouldn't touch him. Like her baby. I'm like, damn, his ass bad too? Give him some.

• 33:00Speaker 06

  Nah, she'll whoop me now though. She'll whoop me now and then.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  She'll whoop them baby. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So it was, it was special, man. And a day that I'll never forget. And I can remember my draft day like it was yesterday, but I think his was, was even more special than mine.

• 33:18Fred Taylor?

  We, we got one thing in common. Both of us was drafted ninth. No, no, no. I mean, I want to talk to him. I was drafted ninth in-

• 33:27Speaker 03

  That early, that early, good money.

• 33:28Fred Taylor?

  In 98.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Good money, Aiden, look at him.

• 33:31Fred Taylor?

  That's why I was going to stop the comparison. Because I was looking at, I was drafted ninth in 98, and they gave me a measly five million dollars to sign. I'm looking here, a four-year, 20.9, 21 million. What's that like to see when your son get the big bag? That's crazy. Are you excited for him?

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. But hey, now you on, now you on, dog. Now you on, you on. And just, just want to see him make the right decision with it. Because, man, it's crazy because they have so many opportunities nowadays off the field when you really don't even have to touch that. And that's why I was telling, and I wanted him to get more familiar with the financial part of it and manage, manage your own money.

• 34:18Fred Taylor?

  That's why I was going to go with it. I wanted to know what type of conversations your dad has shared from his experiences and his career, and you know, the pitfalls and the things to look out for. What were those conversations like from a financial aspect and being able to take care of, you know, what you've earned and, and what you're going to do throughout your career and preparing for retirement?

• 34:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was just-

• 34:43Speaker 06

  Like managing your money, understanding like the ins and outs of it. You know, because you want to build generational wealth. You know, for your family that you're gonna have in the future. So, you know, it was just ongoing conversations about like saving money. Always have a higher savings account than your regular checking account. But like, you know, you always, when you get like that type of perspective, you know, from your dad, it makes it so much easier. Right. Because you know how to manage it right, know how to build on it. But also, when you build on it, you could also invest in that money you built. So, you know, it was just great conversation. And he also told me about like, you know, the cars he had. You know, the G wagons, the Rolls Royce. He said he barely drove them.

• 35:28Speaker 06

  But like, yeah, it happens. But like, yeah, he was, he was telling me like, you should know how to finance your money and just to build on it.

• 35:36Channing Crowder?

  Freddie, it sounds good. I gotta cut you off, Freddie. It sounds good. Pat?

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:42Channing Crowder?

  You know what gets people in trouble, running. Running them streets, bro. Did you tell him? Because, no, for real, to have a son that got that much money, bro, I swear to God. Like, I wish somebody sat me down and was like, bro, invest your money. Yeah, don't buy, don't buy a Bentley, don't buy a Rolls Royce. I don't want no damn Rolls Royce. I'm gonna keep my Dodge Ram. I'm gonna keep my damn Suburban. But then you get in them streets, and you a good looking young man, and you got them pretty eyes. Bro, did you have a real conversation? Did y'all have that real conversation on what's about to happen?

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Absolutely, because I, I went through the pitfalls. I, I made some stupid impulse buys, going buy a damn $350,000 car just because I wanted one, which is... And you can. And you can. Yeah. So, like, like, I remember Herm saying this. Yeah, don't, don't starve yourself because you've earned it. Go ahead, get your Mr. T starter kit. Get you a little chain and all that. But, but don't, don't go crazy. Know, know the big picture, man. And, uh, I think he understand that. And he hasn't starved himself at all. He's...

• 36:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's doing all right. He's doing all right. But he's, he, he, he's learning. He's learning as he go, and that's the most important thing.

• 36:48Ryan Clark?

  We had a conversation, and I think it was with, uh... I can't remember who we were talking about, but we were talking about being the first. Right, like being the first to go to college, or being the first to get money. And it struck me when you said generational wealth. What black people haven't been able to do historically was build generational wealth. Right, when we were talking earlier about buying a house in Miami, and Pat was like, "Shoot, you could buy my house." And I was like, "Well, you know, that's not necessarily the particular story that the NFL likes, right? Like, you ain't going back and buy a shack, right? You buying a house from your pops who also played in the league. So many times, like, the motivation is to make it and do something for my parents, or do something for my family.

• 37:32Ryan Clark?

  You didn't have to have that motivation. You didn't have that burden on your shoulders. So what was it that moti-- like you said, put the work first. What was it that motivated you to put the work first? What was it that motivated you to make it? What was it that motivated you to excel? Because you didn't have that troubled story. You had parents there, your parents had done well for themselves, and you were just living for little Pat.

• 37:59Speaker 06

  I just look at it as if, you know, you always want to build on your own success. Like, you started something that you want to finish in the right way. Like I said, like, going on to the future, you know, you want your kids to live greater than how you live. Even though, you know, my life wasn't, you know, as troubled as you said before. You know, you got a lot of kids and stuff that went through those backgrounds, and they feed their family, and that's their motivational factor. You know, my motivational factor is just to keep on building. And like I said, generational wealth. Then, when my kids grow older, and they becoming great at their profession, and they building their profession, then, you know,

• 38:40Speaker 06

  I hope that I instilled in them that they create a better lives for their kids as well, too. So, it's just that ongoing...

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Wave, not only my dad said, but you know, that I plan on the set too as well, so.

• 38:54Ryan Clark?

  Big Pat, did you, did you ever have those conversations with him? Like my, my son is in, is in college now and I remember and you've been through it. Like I remember we'd go to like Adidas camps or Nike camps. You know what I'm saying? And my son grew up in my house and he was respectful and you know, they'd tell him, hey, get in line right here. Then you go out and then there'll be cat from 35 or a cat from car that'll jump out and take the rep. And I'm on the side, hot as hell, like jump out there. And you know, and he turns to me with his private school, well dad, they told me to stand here. And I was, nice to be done. I used to be so mad, Pat, but when your kid doesn't grow up like, like we did, how did you get him to understand how to have that hunger?

• 39:39Ryan Clark?

  How to have that fight that these dudes trying to eat? And if you want what you say you want, you gotta be the same way.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Absolutely, I, I think it started, man, because when he first started playing, we were in Kansas City. And you, in the suburbs of Kansas City, he was just running the all three of them kids, man. I'm like, alright, so when I, when I retired, we're like, shit, your ass going down the other floor. You about to play some real ball. When he, when he got there, he was at this, this other little park and it was, it was a good park. But then I took him to PPO and you gotta mix.

• 40:11Ryan Clark?

  What's PPO?

• 40:12Speaker 03

  A, a little, little, little league park. But you gotta mix some Brower and Dan. It's right on the county, it's right on the county line. So you got them dudes and then you playing against all these dudes and it, I, I think that, that would, would really groom them, you know, to, to be around those kids and all, and just, just, just learn that mentality. You know, you, you can't, you can't always standing back all the time. You gotta be at the forefront and I think that gave him the confidence to know that shit, I can, I can play with these boys. I know Miami is the, the hotbed and the, and the mecca of, of little league and high school football. But I can compete, not only can I compete, I'm one of the best ones, so that was it.

• 40:54Ryan Clark?

  With that, for you, Pat.

• 40:58Fred Taylor?

  He spoke about mentality, right? You went ninth after J.C. Horn. He went before you as the first DB to Carolina. You had a much better season. Did you play that this year with a chip on your shoulder, knowing you weren't the first DB taken?

• 41:14Speaker 06

  I definitely want to be the first DB. You know, that's my mentality for a jump. You always want to have that edge. But, you know, it's like I landed in the perfect situation. You know, I played, you know, like all 17 games. So it was like, you know, just being in that position and balling out. It's like, dang, it's not so much of a chip. I ain't showing any motive because you went out there and balled out as a rookie. So I could only keep on building and progressing. You know, and when I look back on it, I'm like, you know, you know, it just happens like that. You know, God put people in certain positions. But, you know, you went out there and did what you had to do.

• 41:52Fred Taylor?

  So going back, September 19, 2021, you back in Florida, playing against my old team, the Jaguars. Can you recall that day? Could you just let our viewers know what happened that day?

• 42:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, I got my first interception. Little toe tap on the sideline.

• 42:10Fred Taylor?

  Not just the first, it's from the first pick in the draft.

• 42:13Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, from Trevor. Me and Trevor, me and Trevor clashed in college as well, too. Sorry to get my lip back, but because they beat us, they blew us out in the championship, like 44 to, I don't know.

• 42:27Fred Taylor?

  Would you trade that interception for the ring? For the championship, I mean?

• 42:32Speaker 06

  Championship.

• 42:33Fred Taylor?

  For that win?

• 42:34Speaker 06

  Yeah. Even though, even though that first interception in the NFL was special, but it's always great, you know, to win the championship. Especially that team we had that year. If we would have won, that would have probably been. One of the greatest, all the greatest of that. But like, you know, when I look back at it, you know, that moment, there is something that's gonna be in the history books forever, so. Correct, 100%.

• 43:00Channing Crowder?

  As a dog, I gotta go back a little bit because just coaching, what RC was talking about. Coaching you knowing that you the trust fund baby, and I call RC's son the trust fund baby too, because y'all boy had, y'all boy was living good. Y'all ain't have no struggles, y'all ain't eat no ramen noodles too much, did y'all?

• 43:16Speaker 06

  I still eat some here and there.

• 43:17Channing Crowder?

  But how many ramen noodles did he serve you at night? Man bit, I ain't no lie. Being that, bruh, and you coaching all these kids that you brought up, it's just part of my mind. Is a dog born, or is a dog created?

• 43:31Speaker 06

  I just feel like he's gotta be in them, in his DNA.

• 43:34Channing Crowder?

  From, from out the womb?

• 43:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, out the womb, or he just grow into it. With me, my situation, I just, I just knew what I wanted at an early age. And you know, I had always had that fire and desire to get to where I'm at. Because you know, I always wanted to be in the pros in NFL, you know, it's been my dream ever since. So, I always had that motivation to go out there and have that type of mentality.

• 43:58Channing Crowder?

  To be the most dominant player on the field.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  Right.

• 44:00Channing Crowder?

  Every time you walked out.

• 44:01Speaker 06

  And I, I wanted to play every position too. Running back, corner, safety, receiver. I played some quarterback here and there, but I always wanted to play running back growing up.

• 44:10Channing Crowder?

  So you see Lil Pat, but then you see, I don't even know no names on the other side, that had nothing that made it. Like, wh- wh- where, where was his drive compared to those guys' drive? Was it, are you born with a dog, or you created with a dog?

• 44:26Speaker 06

  Like you said, I think his drive was just to be the best. I don't, I don't think he had to prove anything to anybody except to himself. I think people get carried away with, he got that dog and all that bullshit. Bro, either you can play or you can't. I love that. That, that dog, I don't, I don't know where that come from. Either, either you got it and you can play, or you just can't play. The dog, what you out there barking and shit, what, what, what that dog?

• 44:49Channing Crowder?

  It's the dudes, it's dudes that got feet work, it's dudes that can run a 4-4, it's dudes that's strong. But when, when, when that, when that game's on their shoulders, when they gotta go out there 3rd and 10 and stop this ball, they gotta go out there 3rd and 10 and get to this quarterback, they just, they always fold. They always fold. The dudes we played with, me and you played with, the Zach Thomas, the Jason Taylor, Mad Dog, Sam Madison, them boys, like, when the game's on the line, they're gonna perform at the highest level. There's some dudes that can play in the first quarter, that's going, they ain't gonna do a damn [__] thing in the fourth quarter. Like, that's what I call dog. Them dudes that when the game's on the line, about to show out. Young man showed out. You showed out. He showed out. He showed out.

• 45:34Channing Crowder?

  I made a play or two.

• 45:37Channing Crowder?

  But, you know, but, no, Pat, I really believe it's some, it's something in people that they, it's, it's, I'm gonna go make the play. I'm not gonna just wait for something to happen. I'm gonna go make that play. And I really think all four of y'all had that in y'all.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  No doubt, but like I said, man, you, you, you even, you either have that shit or you don't. You either have it or you don't. Like, who's to say that you're not gonna make that play? You know, it, football is a fickle sport, dog. Especially the position we play. It can be third and 10, my [__] catch a ball on you.

• 46:12Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Like, what you gonna do? That, that makes you not a dog? Like, it's, it's fickle, but, but I understand where you're coming from. Like, you, you want those dudes, when the game on the line, to, to perform at the highest level and all.

• 46:24Fred Taylor?

  We sat down, we sat down with Coach Tomlin, and he said he loved coaching and playing against the coaches who felt that there wasn't, there wasn't a need to, um, to teach, right? As a coach and as a father. Early on, when you saw little Pat, you knew if what Pat wanted, I was talking about the chicken versus the egg, what came first. You knew what he wanted, right? As a parent, sometimes, as, as parents, we say, okay, we want our child to go out there and be a, a great athlete. But sometimes this shit just ain't gonna happen.

• 47:00Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 47:00Fred Taylor?

  Because the child doesn't want it. He's not ready. He, maybe he's just not good enough.

• 47:36Fred Taylor?

  But he has enough passion where he wants to get out there and you leave him alone. The same way as a coach, you're saying you know if they're a dog and if they're not. Does that make your job easier knowing that, being able to identify that early on with certain players?

• 47:53Speaker 03

  I think at, if we talking about the professional level, you've made it that far, man, because you're one of those guys. I think the biggest thing for me at that level, and I think what made me the player that I was, you know, I wasn't the biggest, I wasn't the fastest, I wasn't the strongest. I was one of the smartest though. And that's what I tried to instill in those guys, and to him also. No, no was coming before it happened. And that can alleviate a lot of things, you know, by formation, by, you know, splits, by just the little things, the little precise things that gonna give you advantage on every single play.

• 48:33Fred Taylor?

  And I think everybody expect that if we're talking about the pro level. But let's talk about, you know, high school and then the Pop Warner level, where everybody thinks that my son is next, my child is next, you know? The investment that they put into it, their expectations is I can put my child out there, he's gonna go pro. We all know that's not gonna happen. But as a coach, you've seen it on all levels. What's most challenging? When you have a guy that you know is good and you gotta cultivate that within him, right? To make sure that he doesn't mess that up? Or do you simply just leave him alone and trust him? And just kinda smooth out the rough edges? What's that like?

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned that, man, because and all of you probably know Chan, you a coach, I know Ron, you been around a whole bunch of all kids. Ever since we had the little ESPN thing with those guys getting recruited and putting their hats on. Everybody thinks their kid is going to Florida, Bama, or LSU, dawg. It just doesn't happen. And then they look at you like, "Oh, you're the reason why my son..." Nah, he's not good enough to go to those places. And Sim, you gotta be honest with me. You're not good enough to go to them. Now, they have a bunch of other schools that he can play at, but it takes a special dude to play at them kind of schools. And shit, I play at Southern Miss, even though we weren't no slouches. It wasn't no power five school.

• 50:02Speaker 03

  And if you can play, you can play, man. They gonna find you and it's just been a revelation to see these, when I was coaching at that level, man. But to get back to your point, the guys who you see that happen, you see it at an early age. I'm pretty sure you saw your son at an early age, "Oh shit, he got..."

• 50:20Fred Taylor?

  Cause he wanted it. I didn't have to do anything.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  And I think that that culture that we had, that heritage, it kind of cultivates, you know, those kids, man. Like, all those kids, all those guys come back in the offseason. Those guys get to see them, the guys who made it to the highest level come back and teach them the ins and outs. And it's been a big family over there, man.

• 50:43Fred Taylor?

  But we're here in Florida. And football, sports is competitive, but football is...

• 50:48Speaker 03

  It's king.

• 50:49Fred Taylor?

  The king, right, the mecca. And we've seen in youth sports, you know, guys getting out there and they ready to fight the [bleep] coach. Cause my kid, my son, CEB, you ever experienced anything like that?

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 51:03Fred Taylor?

  Cause you got a lot of dogs on the ro- you've had dogs on the roster.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I hadn't experienced them shit. I think it's a respect level and you just being honest with them.

• 51:11Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  You know, if you sell these kids and these parents a dream, then it'd be something different. But if you honesting up front with them and tell them what you expect and how his kid could get better and so forth, so on, you'll never have that.

• 51:26Fred Taylor?

  So what about booster parents? For example, you have kids that are very good, right? And they're able to come over to these private schools. And the schools, you know, the scholarship, a lot of times, kids can't afford it. They figure it out. But then you also have parents that just feel like, "My child is supposed to be playing." I mean, how do you handle that? Because I know that's a thing in a situation. I don't know if you've experienced it, but.

• 51:55Speaker 03

  You got these, these parents who are, who are paying 30 grand for those, for their kids to go to school. Then you got these other kids who, who's the athletes or whatever. And, and it's a, it's a fine balance. And most of those kids, they're, they're, they're never gonna go, you know, power five or anything like that. But we've had some exceptions where those kids were able to go to college and, and, you know, play ball. And at the end of the day, like I tell all the parents, man, we, we, we not build, we not molding professional athletes over here.

• 52:27Fred Taylor?

  Correct.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  We're, we're molding guys who gonna be productive citizens, get a college degree, come back to their community and be productive. And that's the majority of the kids who play high school football. You gotta do something because we, we all know the percentages and everything. And that, that was my angle towards the parents and they respected it, man. And I think that's why, you know, we, we went like we did.

• 52:47Ryan Clark?

  It also helps when your son's 6'8" with frigging Francis Ngandu arms and can frigging ball.

• 52:55Fred Taylor?

  Can you imagine being a receiver, bro?

• 52:57Ryan Clark?

  Like a Wes Welker.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  First of all, if Lil' Pat ever put his hands on, we fighting like out the gate. And I'm probably lose that too.

• 53:02Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy, bro.

• 53:03Ryan Clark?

  What's so crazy is you think about, right, your rookie year, you know, Fred asked you about having a chip on your shoulder. Richard Sherman comes out and says, you know, everything that you did was teach tape. You know, I watch every single snap of every game. And it's, it's like the, it's a cliche saying, but you always go, you can tell that's a coach's son. For you, what was that first year like? Was it one of those things like I went to Bama, I didn't play the Justin Jeffersons, the Jamar Chases and those guys. I know what it's like. I could line up across from anybody and, and do what I need to do. Or were you surprised at how well you played as a rookie?

• 53:43Speaker 03

  I wouldn't say surprised because, you know, it speak for itself, you know, I could say like.

• 53:50Speaker 06

  Early on in the year, I had my struggles. But that sort of like helped me and helped me grow sort of. Because in the league, you gonna have your on and off games. But as the games went on and the weeks progressed, I feel like I just got better each and every week, especially with the game plan. Film study is key now in the league because you're going against, you know, multiple diverse offenses. Like you're going against Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, you know, Brady and all those dudes. And you know, you just gotta understand like personnel, formations, what type of receiver you going against. And that, when I, you know, learned that, you know, sometimes, you know, the game just became slower. You know, I just played faster.

• 54:32Ryan Clark?

  Right, Chan. You hear he missing Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. They got your boy over there now, Chan.

• 54:39Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah, Russ. Russ, oh, yeah. What about Russ? Y'all cool?

• 54:50Channing Crowder?

  I'm gonna put your spotlight, Pat, but y'all, y'all cool? You about to rehash that, though? Y'all party, y'all hang out?

• 54:58Speaker 06

  Man, Russ, Russ my guy. Like he, he come in, he come at work. But he's like one of those dudes you could talk to. Because you know, he a vet. I think he was like 12, 13 years. But like, he be playing R and B in the locker room.

• 55:09Channing Crowder?

  Playing R and B, ain't it?

• 55:10Speaker 06

  He cool with the guy, R and B. He plays hip, but like, you know, he, he just a cool, cool guy. He comes in.

• 55:18Channing Crowder?

  My goodies. I like my goodies too.

• 55:20Ryan Clark?

  Was it good soul? Like a boy? Was it good soul? Like a man? Was it like a boy, like a man?

• 55:25Channing Crowder?

  I don't know what it was like. But yeah, we wasn't doing R and B in the locker room, but.

• 55:29Ryan Clark?

  But R and B is soothing, Channing.

• 55:31Channing Crowder?

  I want to be soothe. I'm about to go try to fight a big motherfucker trying to hit me in the head.

• 55:35Speaker 06

  That's his, that's his personality, though. Like he cool, calm, collective, show up to work every day. You know, tremendous leader, gets the guys going. But you know, that's just the type of guy he is. Like cool, calm, laid back.

• 55:47Channing Crowder?

  I don't know, you know, I've been criticized a lot. I called the man lame, called me a square. You know what I'm saying? And that's different stuff.

• 55:53Speaker 06

  They got on you about that?

• 55:54Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, they got on me about that. Did you take it back? That's what I, no, I'm not taking it back, Pat. Pat. It is so, what is it, subjective.

• 56:02Ryan Clark?

  It's subjective, it's an opinion.

• 56:03Channing Crowder?

  Like, it's an opinion. I know dudes that I wanna hang with. I grew up in Atlanta, and I know guys I wanna hang with. I don't wanna hang with Russ.

• 56:11Speaker 06

  Why you think that, dude?

• 56:12Channing Crowder?

  Cause he put moose in his hair, and slick his sideways. He just, he ain't no type of dude.

• 56:18Speaker 06

  Then I come and defend Russ.

• 56:19Channing Crowder?

  I fool with dudes like your daddy. That's the man I wanna hang with. I don't wanna hang with Russ. I wanna hang with RC. I wanna hang with Freddie. You on the edge, cause I just hung with a grown man. I gotta see what your grown man attitude is.

• 56:34Speaker 06

  But how you know that if you never hung with Russ?

• 56:36Channing Crowder?

  I can tell, Pat. I can just look at a dude from afar and tell. I just see how, I see, I see how he gets out of car.

• 56:43Speaker 06

  And Russ had to do something to get out of.

• 56:45Channing Crowder?

  If he don't even slam his feet, he don't slam his feet to get out the car. He roll his heels to get out the car. I don't fool with you.

• 56:51Ryan Clark?

  First off, the bottom line, aside from all of that, it's about like how well he can play, and in the position.

• 56:58Channing Crowder?

  Adult.

• 56:59Ryan Clark?

  The position that he could put you in. Cause the one thing he could do is throw a freaking football. And now, you guys are in a position where when you facing Patrick Mahomes, you ain't going out there with Drew Lock, right? Which is godly, such a blessed position to be in than what you were. I did a rankings of DBs, corners this year, and I did a top five. And the next question they asked me was, okay, next year, when you do this same ranking, who's the guy that you think will be in it? And I picked you. When you look at the league now, because I think, I say this all the time, my favorite saying is this, you can be, one, anybody that tells you you can be anything in the world you wanna be if you work hard, they lie. That's not true.

• 57:42Ryan Clark?

  You can be anything you wanna be if you work hard within your skill set. Your skill set is Hall of Fame. When you look at the league now, which corners do you say, okay, I wanna be in that category? I wanna be in the top five that includes this guy, the top five that includes that guy? Cause that's what you're chasing, greatness.

• 58:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I look at corners like my body type, you know, my type, like J-Ram, he been doing it consistently. AJ Terrell, he came on this year balled out. Trey White.

• 58:15Speaker 06

  Shoot, all those dudes, you know, Marshawn. You know, those dudes, that's the type of category you want to be in. You know, those top two corners. And you know, when I look at my skill set, I definitely going to be there in the future.

• 58:29Ryan Clark?

  I think, I can't remember my list verbatim, but I know Jalen was on it, Jair was on it.

• 58:37Ryan Clark?

  AJ was on it, I believe. It was Xavier too, and one more. But I know I left Slay off because Slay tweeted the next day, I know I'm top five for sure. Which I, you know, it's a discussion. X was on there.

• 58:51Speaker 06

  X was on there. Trey Davis was on there.

• 58:53Ryan Clark?

  Trey wasn't, and I trained Trey before and I love him, but he got hurt this year. So it was my 2021. If you had to go top, top five corners, who would they be? And then tell me why you can break that.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  You talking about top five corners from last year or just last year? Because like you say, a couple of them was hurt. Trey was hurt and then Zaire was hurt for most of the year.

• 59:15Ryan Clark?

  I still put him in there.

• 59:16Speaker 06

  I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do top five in no order. But J-Ram, of course. X. AJ. Got to put Diggs in there.

• 59:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Got to put Diggs.

• 59:29Ryan Clark?

  Diggs was one of mine, yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 06

  Diggs.

• 59:33Speaker 06

  Probably, probably Marshawn.

• 59:36Ryan Clark?

  Okay. So tell me why you can be in that category.

• 59:41Speaker 06

  I just think I had to really lock down one side of the field, just off of my ability. And you know, I just feel like I'm that type of dude that could, you know, I can line up on the number one receiver, you know, just shut down that side of the field. And you know, just my instincts, my IQ, you know, I just felt like it just progressed like through the years. And I just feel like I could be in that position, you know, to lock down the number one receiver, you know, just hold down on my own side and get that, you know, to that elite status, so.

• 1:00:14Fred Taylor?

  What are your strengths? Do you come into a game situation and say, this little motherfucker ain't getting off the ball? Because you big as [BLEEP].

• 1:00:23Fred Taylor?

  It's just crazy. You are big as. I mean, they used to want to get 6'2 receivers. Now they just want to get guys that they believe can fit their system and get open. But it has to be intimidating. If I'm only a 5'9, you know, on average, those are the size of most receivers in the league, right? 5'10 maybe?

• 1:00:44Channing Crowder?

  They getting bigger.

• 1:00:44Fred Taylor?

  5'10, 5'11, right? But that has to be intimidating. What are you, 6'2?

• 1:00:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, like 6'2.

• 1:00:51Channing Crowder?

  You can reach in him from right here.

• 1:00:54Fred Taylor?

  What's your, what's, what are your assets? Like, what are your strengths? I'm not going to ask you about weaknesses. Uh, maybe youth is your most weakness right now, but what are your strengths?

• 1:01:07Speaker 06

  Strengths? Definitely press. That's my favorite.

• 1:01:11Fred Taylor?

  So you want that action?

• 1:01:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, I want, I want to press.

• 1:01:13Channing Crowder?

  You play for Nick, man.

• 1:01:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We press, we press 80, 90% of the time. But, uh, yeah, press. I'm still working on off. That's something I could build on. That's one of my weaknesses. You know, off is something like you got to develop. You got to have experience, you know, year in, year out. But, you know, press is definitely my strength. Um, IQ, um, speed, you know, physicality. I feel like those are my strengths.

• 1:01:41Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I got one. Cause Pat, you coaching the league now.

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:46Channing Crowder?

  I don't know, y'all don't play this year.

• 1:01:48Fred Taylor?

  Nah, not in.

• 1:01:49Channing Crowder?

  But when, but when the Broncos do play the Dolphins, Pat, you know his weaknesses. Fred, you say you want to bring him up. Do you go to, like, is blood thicker than water?

• 1:01:59Speaker 06

  Blood, definitely thicker than water.

• 1:02:03Channing Crowder?

  Do you slide to the offensive room and be like, hey, run the double move on third down?

• 1:02:07Speaker 06

  Trust me, with Mike McDaniel, there's going to be no stone unturned. They, they going to know that. He's, he's one of the dudes, man.

• 1:02:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Speaker 06

  Tyreek and Wilder, so.

• 1:02:17Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:17Speaker 06

  You know, it's.

• 1:02:19Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  Can't wait for that day.

• 1:02:20Channing Crowder?

  But they, but they, but they, McDaniel will come ask you about it. If y'all, whenever y'all in, y'all do play the Broncos.

• 1:02:26Speaker 06

  I'm pretty sure they'll ask. I don't know if I'm going to tell them.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Don't find out for yourself.

• 1:02:31Ryan Clark?

  Watch film.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Watch the film out there.

• 1:02:34Ryan Clark?

  Film out there.

• 1:02:34Fred Taylor?

  That's not fair, but before you jump in, Shannon, I wanted to go back really quick, real quick. Because RC asked you about your top five now today. What cornerbacks influenced you as a young man? Not your dad. He's not in this one. But the top five cornerbacks you enjoy watching coming up?

• 1:02:53Speaker 06

  I'd say Deion, but I never watched Deion.

• 1:02:55Ryan Clark?

  I mean, but if he influenced you, that's fine.

• 1:02:58Fred Taylor?

  Because he's a coach.

• 1:02:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, he revolutionized the position. Champ, I'll be watching Champ. Revis, I grew up watching Revis.

• 1:03:04Ryan Clark?

  My gosh. Walked on water in 2009, Jesus.

• 1:03:08Speaker 06

  I watched some of, you know, Ty Low, my dad played with him as well.

• 1:03:11Fred Taylor?

  That's four, yeah, Ty was dope.

• 1:03:13Speaker 06

  Zant, Sanse San.

• 1:03:14Fred Taylor?

  That's five, you're good.

• 1:03:15Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:03:16Speaker 06

  I'll be watching them.

• 1:03:16Fred Taylor?

  That's solid, good group.

• 1:03:18Ryan Clark?

  Pat mentioned it early, you know, about having opportunities to see younger DBs. Like, I train, you know, I train pros now. And like, the dope thing about it is, we have this group chat. And let's say, somebody plays Kansas City, week one. You know, somebody hit the chat up like, hey, what y'all got on this team? What you got on that team? You guys are gonna be in a very unique position. Right, you're both, you're both in the AFC, you coached in Miami, you play in Denver. Are you guys ever, I mean, I would do it, listen. Like you said, blood's thicker than water. If I, if I was coaching in the league and my son was in the league, he would get every game plan I ever did against every team, every wide receiver, period. Are they gonna, are you guys gonna have some of those conversations?

• 1:04:01Ryan Clark?

  Or you gonna call your pops, you know, y'all play somebody, week seven, and he play week two. All right, what you got for me? Right, because you guys are uniquely situated to speak the same language, not only as father and son, but as coach and player. Are y'all gonna share some of those notes throughout the year? If, one, you can help him be better, right? You can help him with X, you can help him with Byron. But also, you can help him if he's matching up against a guy. Y'all would get on the horn sometimes, like, here's what I got about this team.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Well, most definitely. And I'm, I'm, I'm not quite sure about coaches etiquette yet in the NFL. I don't know how this thing work right now. Well, my, my old instincts is definitely, and we, we talk before every game. You know, I try to give him, before I even took the job, before every game, give him tips and, and all that about the opponent, because shit, I was studying the opponent like I was playing.

• 1:04:54Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  So, I would, I would try to, try to help him out, but at the end of the day, man, you, you gotta go out there and do it. And, you know, anything to help. So, I had to figure this, this coaching etiquette out first before I can jump into it and really, you know, delve into, to what he needs. So, we'll see.

• 1:05:10Ryan Clark?

  Hey, you know, it's dad first. The other question, the other question I was gonna ask Pat is like, my, my, my schedule is crazy. I got like eight jobs, right? And so during the season, because my son plays on the West Coast, Saturday I'm in Arizona, I'm in Utah, I'm in California, or wherever I am, and I catch a red eye to New York on Sunday, or I'll catch the first flight out. And it's because it's so important to me to, to be at his games. Like, that's the most important thing. Now, you're gonna be coaching on Sunday, right? It's, it's 1 o'clock in Miami, and you know, he's playing somewhere. As a, as a father, how hard is it gonna be to know that you're missing something you've been a part of his entire life?

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough, but uh...

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• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  We have a strong family structure, and we have so many, you know, family, friends, just, just everybody who, who supports him. So, we'll have 30 people at the Denver game, and, every week, and on the road, and it, it's gonna be tough just not, not being there, because I, I know, like, it, it's crazy right now. I don't, I don't know if the same thing. We could be in the...

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  A $70,000 stadium. And he'll hear me out of all those people.

• 1:06:57Fred Taylor?

  I love it.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Just, just, he'll look and it, it's crazy, you know, you just have that, that connection with him. But like I said, my, my wife and, and my brother and, and my sisters, they'll, they'll be there. His, his cousins, just friends, they'll be there supporting and I make sure I rush home after the Dolphins game. Cause they, they're all mountain time. So obviously, you know, recorded and, and just look at it. But it's, it's gonna be tough, cause I went to all his games at Bama.

• 1:07:25Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  You know, all his games at Denver, I coached my game on Friday night. Jump on the plane Saturday morning, watch his game, gotta be back for coaches meetings.

• 1:07:33Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  Just all that, you, you've been through it before. So it's, it's gonna be tough, man. But I think the, the, the family support system are, are doing just fine.

• 1:07:42Fred Taylor?

  Right, that's amazing to have. And as a, as a former player, you can go watch a game and you know that, that ebb and flows, ups and downs. And you know how to stay calm. How's Michelle at the game? Can you hear your mom when, when, when she's at the game?

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can hear her. I can understand, yeah.

• 1:07:59Fred Taylor?

  So what is she like at the game?

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  She's very into it.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  Like she not, obviously not gonna know like everything that's going on, but she knows the specific parts of the game. If I make a play, I get an interception or some touchdown, you know, the simple things. But you know, she's always there to support, cheering me on. You know, she's been like that ever since I started. You know, so her, so watching her come to my games now is just, you know, sounds special. And be able to relive that, you know, at the big stage, hearing her voice and hearing her support, you know, that's special.

• 1:08:33Fred Taylor?

  What, what did you do with your first interception ball? Did you give it to pops, mom? Did you keep it?

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  I, I, I took that with me.

• 1:08:42Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  But the next, the two interception game I had, I gave one to my dad. And the other one, well, basically they both sharing it.

• 1:08:52Ryan Clark?

  It's for the house.

• 1:08:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's for the house.

• 1:08:54Ryan Clark?

  It's for the house.

• 1:08:55Speaker 06

  And the other one I kept, but.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  I think his first preseason game, he had to pick six against Minnesota and we were there.

• 1:09:02Speaker 06

  I remember.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  And I don't know, what'd you do with that ball?

• 1:09:05Speaker 06

  I don't even know what that, that's in the archive. That's in the archive. That's preseason. It don't really matter. That's preseason. I'm already counting for real.

• 1:09:13Fred Taylor?

  What was your motivation? You know, just to be the best? Like, it has to be something else, right?

• 1:09:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, just to be the best and my grandma, she played a motivation. When she passed even, you know, made me strive for greatness even more, strive to be at that position I'm at now. Cause she always wanted me to be on that big stage, you know, and make a name for myself. So like, you know, every time I look at it, like I'm doing this for her and my grandpa as well too, because they both wanted to see me at this stage and my parents as well too. Cause they both wanted, they instilled in me so much things and I just feel like if I ain't, if I ain't reached my full potential in this stage, I feel like, you know, I'm, I'm wasting, wasting time from where I learned from them. So I just feel like that's a motivation as well too.

• 1:10:03Fred Taylor?

  Are there any matchups you looking forward to?

• 1:10:06Speaker 06

  A whole division, really. We got.

• 1:10:09Fred Taylor?

  Say some names.

• 1:10:10Speaker 06

  Devonte, Devonte Adams. I'm looking forward to going against him.

• 1:10:15Ryan Clark?

  Two times.

• 1:10:16Speaker 06

  Two times, yeah. Keenan, of course, I went against him last year, he good. DK first game, Debo, Kittle, all them boys.

• 1:10:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Ryan Clark?

  It's a gun.

• 1:10:27Speaker 06

  D hop, Arizona. Yeah, we got some dogs this year.

• 1:10:31Ryan Clark?

  You know, the, you know, the crazy thing is, man, if he came to LSU, he could have practiced against probably, you know, two of the, the best guys.

• 1:10:40Speaker 06

  We got some dudes too.

• 1:10:41Ryan Clark?

  And I don't care. I'm still, I'm still hurt. Okay, I'm just gonna be honest with you, man.

• 1:10:46Speaker 06

  What you have? Who you good against?

• 1:10:48Ryan Clark?

  We have four, four first round.

• 1:10:49Speaker 06

  Ruggs, Waddle. Smith and, uh.

• 1:10:53Ryan Clark?

  Devonte.

• 1:10:54Speaker 06

  No, Judy.

• 1:10:55Ryan Clark?

  Judy.

• 1:10:55Speaker 06

  I mean Judy. Judy, Smith, Waddle, Ruggs, yeah.

• 1:10:59Speaker 03

  They're better than your receivers.

• 1:11:00Ryan Clark?

  That's not true. That is not true. Ask him. Ask him. Ask him. Wait. Ask him. No, ask him.

• 1:11:08Speaker 06

  They some dogs. They definitely some dogs.

• 1:11:10Ryan Clark?

  Ask him the direct question. Are any of those four better than the two boys?

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  Who was it? Jamar?

• 1:11:17Ryan Clark?

  And Justin.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  And Justin.

• 1:11:19Ryan Clark?

  And also too, before he answers, I just want to throw it out there, right? There was a record set by Randy Moss, right, that hadn't been broken. And suddenly, kid comes from LSU, breaks it, right? It's the record that stood so long. And then guess what happened the next year? Another kid from LSU breaks it again. So before he answers the question, I just, go ahead. Ask the question. I'm not even gonna look at you, Pat.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you answer it, Pat. I'm gonna force you, guy. I can say this, just, just being at those games and watching the talent on, on the both teams was unbelievable. Crazy. Unbelievable.

• 1:11:57Speaker 06

  That 2019 game is crazy.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  People forget about, uh, Terrace Marshall.

• 1:12:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, second round Carolina.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then you had those other four dudes with Bama, and then the quarterback, Joe Burrow and Tua, and, oh, it was Clyde Edwards, Najee.

• 1:12:13Ryan Clark?

  You gotta think this, things on the other side, Pat's on one side, Diggs, like, it was that whole year and those two teams and what they possessed. I think that was like, when you could say the SEC had, they had the two best teams, you know, in the country. But when you think about it, about it now, Pat, and where you are in Denver as a team. You know, you got Kansas City, uh, the Chargers have obviously gotten a ton better. Like you said, Vegas adds Devonte Adams. Y'all go get Russ. Where do you see this team ending up this year? Can this team compete to, to win a championship?

• 1:12:50Speaker 06

  Definitely. I just, I feel like in our division, whoever comes out on top, I feel like they had a great chance of winning the Super Bowl. That's how I see it, because we got dogs at the dogs each and every week. But I feel like we got the potential on offense, you know, we got talent on the perimeter in the backfield. And then our defense, we got...

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Edge rushers crazy, D-line crazy, linebackers, and we got a good secondary, great secondary. So, you know, we definitely could get to that top, top mark for sure.

• 1:13:19Ryan Clark?

  I mean, I believe that for sure, just in watching what y'all have done. I'm just gonna be honest with you, Big Pat, Tyreek Hill lied, right? Tyreek Hill started his own podcast, and he was in Miami. You know, I feel like when you get down here, like, everything infiltrates your mind. And he said, told a lie that Tua was more accurate than Patrick Mahomes, right? But I get it, though, he's starting this podcast, he wants people to watch the podcast, and then you want your new quarterback to feel good after somebody gives you 25 million a year. Like, it all makes sense to me, right? You, you've been at the practices, you had a defense that played, that's played well the last few seasons. Like you said, you got Jalen Waddle, you add, you add a running back, you got Mike Gesicki,

• 1:14:02Ryan Clark?

  Tua's coming along, headed into, you know, another year, into his third year. Where do you see, or how do you see Miami competing in the AFC East? That's not the old AFC East where New England was gonna win it all the time, but you got a Buffalo Bills team that many people are picking to win the Super Bowl.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  We definitely have a, a great chance to derail those guys.

• 1:14:28Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  We, we definitely, just, just being out there, just, just seeing what's going on. When you add a guy like Tyreek Hill, it changes the whole complexion of the game. The thing Tua gets a bad rap on, man, you gotta, he's had so many different coordinators his first three years, he has receivers in and out of lineups. I, I remember one game last year, Tua was throwing the three, three running backs.

• 1:14:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  So, when you add a, a guy like Tyreek Hill, obviously you have Jay, you have Cedric Wilson, who we added, Gesicki. I don't know any quarterback that, that is, that is great if he doesn't have any weapons. And you, you give Tua some weapons and, and see what happens. See, well, obviously, the, the defense is, is stacked. You know, the, the O-line, we went out and got some guys on the O-line, so...

• 1:15:23Ryan Clark?

  You get arm stay at Connor Williams, now you got protection. Now, I think, and I think, you know, when you look at that team with Mike McDaniel's and, and what, I always, I hate to talk about San Francisco this way, but I always go back to what Kyle Shanahan was able to do there. They went to a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo, who people don't hold in high regard as an elite status quarterback. And you go back to the NFC Championship. And now you think, run first, play action with the pieces that you guys have. My question is this. AFC Championship. Late January 2023. The Miami Dolphins, the Denver Broncos. What side mom sitting on?

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Mom definitely sitting on Denver's side.

• 1:16:10Channing Crowder?

  He going for a baby. So, hold on, I gotta ask quick, man, you know, Pat, I gotta do, you know.

• 1:16:19Ryan Clark?

  It's late, this is actually late for it to happen.

• 1:16:21Channing Crowder?

  It's late because you got, you got the uncles. I'm, I'm the, I'm the crazy drunk nasty uncle. I gotta ask some, you know, me and Pat, me and Pat being cool. I remember seeing you and you was that tall. Bro, what you got a lady, man? You got, you know what I'm saying? Ladies in Denver, you got something from Alabama? I gotta know, man, I need to know. I need a picture, I need something.

• 1:16:42Speaker 06

  I got me, I got me, I got me lady.

• 1:16:44Channing Crowder?

  A one lady?

• 1:16:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:16:46Channing Crowder?

  Locked in from when?

• 1:16:48Speaker 06

  We started talking college.

• 1:16:50Channing Crowder?

  And she, and she's in Denver?

• 1:16:52Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, she's still in school.

• 1:16:54Channing Crowder?

  Oh, in school, okay. And you think that's gonna work? That's what I'm playing, that's what I'm playing.

• 1:17:02Speaker 06

  That's what you getting elation for, you hope, you hope for that.

• 1:17:05Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay, and you grinding it out? Because I'm telling you, man, you a good looking dude. I'll be honest, man, I would, I've said it before, like, Jason Momoa, if he ever wanted to talk to me, I'd talk to him. Leonardo DiCaprio could get my number. You could get my number.

• 1:17:20Speaker 06

  Man crazy, bruh.

• 1:17:23Channing Crowder?

  And we'll just, we'll just see where the relationship goes.

• 1:17:27Ryan Clark?

  You know he can take care of you.

• 1:17:28Channing Crowder?

  Go to airhouse, you got bread, I got bread, we can split bills, you know what I'm saying? But no, nah, I'm messing with you though, man, but nah, be smart about it.

• 1:17:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I wanna, I wanna end on this, you know, and I'm glad Chan brought up having a woman. And Pat mentioned something about the name. And he was like, even if it's not the same name, you know the lineage you have to carry on. You, it works out with whoever, you get married, your first son, is he gonna be the third?

• 1:17:59Speaker 06

  I don't know, I, I, that would be, that'd be starting to build on though, but like, I really don't know. It, it just had to come down to a decision on a little family decision for real, so.

• 1:18:11Channing Crowder?

  Like George Foreman?

• 1:18:12Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:13Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, one of my boys, one of my boys, Benny, Benny the fifth, Benny Sapp? Benny has five, oh yeah, three, four, I think he's up to five now.

• 1:18:23Ryan Clark?

  Well, man, listen.

• 1:18:24Speaker 06

  Build a little PS3.

• 1:18:25Ryan Clark?

  I like PS3, see, there you go. See, it's already said, man, I just, I appreciate it, man, I'm obviously always admired you, been a huge fan. Met you very young, been a huge fan, had an opportunity to cover your play, has been an honor. But to have y'all sit down, man, like I think, the one thing we try to do on this show is show different sides of people. Right? People have gotten to see you play, they've gotten to see you play, but in the end, that's just your dad. And that ain't gonna, and that ain't gonna never change, no matter who he coaches for, no matter who you play for. Whether you get rings or a gold jacket, he's always gonna be proud of who you are as a man. The rest of the stuff doesn't matter, and so for you guys to give us some time and sit down with us, it was truly an honor.

• 1:19:11Ryan Clark?

  It's gonna be one of our favorite pivots. And I hope, late January 2023, we get to figure out what's our mom's sit on.

• 1:19:20Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate it.

• 1:19:23Fred Taylor?

  I love it, man. Appreciate you, man.

• 1:19:24Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate you, brother. When that joke started getting big though, man, like what was you thinking, bro? Like, goddamn. Yeah, you know what I mean? Be a DN?

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  Hold up. Limitless. Nigga stomach kinda pinning it. I fought the heat to witness it. Got my people feeling militant. When I'm feeling got me up. On the mission got me up. Knowing me, I got the key. Only vision I can trust. Trust. Limitless. Nigga stomach kinda pinning it. I fought the heat to witness it. Got my people feeling militant. When I'm feeling got me up. On the mission got me up.

• 1:19:59Speaker 07

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 1:20:04Speaker 08

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