Emma Chamberlain - Part 2 (FBF)

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Emma Chamberlain for the second part of their conversation. Emma recalls feeling used by other Youtubers in order to gain views and how she was burned by the people she once looked up to. The pair discuss feeling out of control of their public perception and the need to consequently address and debunk fake rumors. Emma describes the anxiety she experiences as a result of constantly being surveillanced while out in public and the feeling of wanting to disappear. Let’s get into relationships and sex. Emma opens up about her struggles with her sexual identity, her ex-boyfriend, AND her new relationship. We also learn how Emma lost her virginity, what her favorite style of sex is, and what gives her the ick. Enjoy daddies!

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• 2:27Alex Cooper?

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• 2:38Alex Cooper?

  Is there anything that made you almost quit?

• 2:43Speaker 03

  I will say, there has been a lot of times where I've almost quit.

• 2:50Alex Cooper?

  And how do you not? Like what are the, what brings you back to not quitting?

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Well, I'm in an interesting spot now where, you know, I'm 20. And I am in a spot where I'm ready to evolve things. And I don't really know what that means for myself right now. But I need to like, find what mediums and what things make me excited. Because I was in this hamster wheel of, you know, creating content every single week for four years. And the thing that kept me coming back was the fact that that's

• 3:39Speaker 03

  the, it's like literally like a disease. Like when you start doing YouTube or you start a podcast or whatever you do, which I, you know, I've been doing both now for like two years or so. Like, you're like, if I miss a week, I'm done. People are gonna fucking forget. People won't care. And you, you like guilt trip yourself into pushing through even the roughest moments. Because, I burped. Because there's this stigma that like the second you take a break, you're out. But I'm done with that. I've taken a break for the past few months. I'm like, sorry, I'm done. Or two months or so, not that long. But I was like, I'm burnt out, so I'm gonna take a fucking break.

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• 8:33Speaker 03

  I'm burnt out, so I'm gonna take a fucking break.

• 8:36Alex Cooper?

  When we talk about going through this hamster wheel process, it's so hard to explain, like a tangible feeling that it is. And like, I talk about it in therapy all the time. Like, I started this podcast, kind of like when you started YouTube, and you didn't have anything in mind of like, a start or end date. It was like, I'm just gonna start this. And then all of a sudden, you wake up and you're like, I've been doing this for years. Yeah. And like, Who am I without my podcast?

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:08Alex Cooper?

  Who are you without YouTube? Who is Emma Chamberlain? And it's like, it...

• 9:12Speaker 03

  There's no light at the end of the tunnel. It's also not like the type of thing that you can ever stop thinking about. I've been thinking about YouTube for four years straight. There's not been a day or an hour that has gone by where something about it has not come into my head. And whether it's like, how do I want to evolve my, my videos? You know? What am I gonna film next? Like, what are people gonna think of that video? Was that video shit? Like, same thing with my podcast. Was this episode, did I rant too much?

• 9:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  Did this episode, like, was this episode fucking annoying? Like, was I repeating myself too much? You know, it's like, there's no end date. There's no room for a real break. There is, but you don't want to let yourself believe that, right? And...

• 9:56Alex Cooper?

  There's no room for mistakes.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  There's no room for mistakes. There's no room, it, it just feels like, you know, your boss is humanity, in a way. Like, your boss is literally just like, public opinion, it feels like. And that's fucking weird. And it's so out of your control, because the court of public opinion evolves. It ebbs, it flows. It's not like you're reporting to one person and like, being like, here's my work for the week. You just have to be constantly trying to guess what the people want. And when you're living by that, it's like, what formula are you to follow? There's no formula to follow. It's like, uncharted territory.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  And sometimes the people don't even know what they want. So if they give you an idea, that might not actually work. Sometimes you have to predict what people want. And it's just this whole mindfuck. And listen, I'm not complaining about it, because in every job, in every, you know, profession in life, like, there are elements of it that are just a nightmare. And I think just with this, it's like...

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Everything could just go away so quickly and I think the way that I've found peace in it is I'm like, "Okay, if it does, then it does and I'll just get pregnant and have a baby."

• 11:14Alex Cooper?

  This is Emma's pregnancy announcement right now.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  You guys, I'm pregnant.

• 11:19Alex Cooper?

  Like, no, no, it's like goodbye. No, it is- Publisher said no. I have never heard someone explain it like that where your boss is the public. Every single creator said, does exactly what you just said. You quickly say like, "And I'm not ungrateful and I'm not saying I'm not like so happy with what I have." That's not it, but in everyone's life, you have your struggles and you have your adversity that comes. And when you have millions of people every single day having not only an opinion on you, but sort of a hold over whether you have a career or not.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 11:58Alex Cooper?

  It is a lot to fucking handle as a young adult.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Well, the thing is too about it is that as humans, you know, we're not supposed to, I mean, this is just an issue with social media in general, but you're just not supposed to be exposed to that many opinions, that many people's successes, that many people's vacations, that many people's, uh, hot takes, you know, I'm like when they're, you know, you're just like not supposed to experience that many people's lives, right? You're, you know, we're programmed biologically to only have to compare ourselves and, and listen to like a handful of people, right? I've watched a video about this, like I'm not a fucking scientist, but like I did watch a video about this.

• 12:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  Um, I'm citing my sources. Long story short, like you're just not supposed to hear from that many people. It's not like something that we're evolved to be able to comprehend. So it makes sense that, you know, for us, for example, like reading comments all the time from hundreds of different people, sometimes thousands, sometimes millions, that's just not a normal experience. And so when our brains react-

• 13:13Speaker 03

  In weird ways, it's like, what else did we expect? This is a weird situation and is not natural.

• 13:21Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, and I hate when people say like, then just don't do it.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:25Alex Cooper?

  I, I understand what you're saying, but I, I do love it. I'm, it's my passion.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:32Alex Cooper?

  So then you have to, basically, I think what we're both saying is like, it is, there is no book.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:38Alex Cooper?

  That gives you, here's a guideline.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 13:40Alex Cooper?

  This is, there is no one that can tell you, like, this is exactly how you act the minute you get this many followers, then this is gonna happen. And then you talk to this therapist, because they'll know how to, like, it, there's just no formula.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:50Alex Cooper?

  And so, it's weird. You eventually moved to LA.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:56Alex Cooper?

  How did the change of scenery affect your videos and your life?

• 14:02Speaker 03

  Should I go pee before I do this?

• 14:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  Okay, wait, let me pee.

• 14:04Alex Cooper?

  There, go in the, um...

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Sorry, sorry daddy gang, I'm pissing now.

• 14:09Alex Cooper?

  No, I'm kidding. You don't want us to listen to you pee. Um, go down the, all the way down the hall?

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:16Alex Cooper?

  Anyways, Emma's back. How was your pee break?

• 14:21Alex Cooper?

  Hello, hello?

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Check, check.

• 14:23Alex Cooper?

  Um... Pee break was poppin'.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  It was poppin'.

• 14:26Alex Cooper?

  I hope there was toilet paper in there, I don't like, live here.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  We could literally talk for six hours. Oh wait, is this just like the podcast house?

• 14:32Alex Cooper?

  This is the dad pad.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  No way.

• 14:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  It's kinda nice to like, not be in your own house.

• 14:37Alex Cooper?

  It, I used to do it from my bed, all the time, because where do you podcast?

• 14:41Speaker 03

  From my bed.

• 14:41Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, and like, there's pros to that, but I started to feel like, I could never turn it off, so I just...

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Yes, I've been having that struggle recently.

• 14:49Alex Cooper?

  Because if that microphone is sitting on your bed or near it, you just keep being like, should I start?

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Should I start?

• 14:53Alex Cooper?

  Should I start podcasting?

• 14:54Speaker 03

  I'm like, I could record right now.

• 14:55Alex Cooper?

  And it will be like, almost midnight, and I'm like, oh, I have a thought, and I'm like, no, I need to like, set boundaries.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yes, absolutely.

• 15:02Alex Cooper?

  Okay, okay. So, I asked you, how did the change of scenery to LA affect your video and your life?

• 15:09Speaker 03

  Well, I think a lot of people who were following me at the time, when they found out I was moving to LA, were like, there she goes, you know what I mean? Like, there goes the girl that we fell in love with, she's about to die, you know what I mean? Like, she's not gonna be here anymore. And I think to a certain extent, that was a valid concern, and I think, well, okay, here was the thing.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  It was such a huge life shift in my foundation and my reality changed so much that my sense of identity kind of went out the window and I was having to like rebuild my new, I mean, and this happens regardless of if you're moving to LA and doing YouTube or if you're just literally a teenager, you know, like there was a lot of shifting that was going on. It was like I was making new friends. I was starting to try to date guys. Like I was like living on my own and uh like trying to figure out what that entailed.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  And like there was so many life changes all at once that like a whole new group of people, a whole new scenery. It was just like, whatever. My sense of identity was fucked. And so when it came to like making videos, the shift from moving from home to moving to LA took such a psychological toll on me that I don't think I was willing to admit to myself at the time, but it was so exhausting to, you know, find your footing in a new place, especially LA, that like I was very drained just from life itself. And so when it came time to like make YouTube videos, I was like, I am so fucking tired just from like existing here right now that I think my content at certain times throughout the

• 16:57Speaker 03

  first year and a half, two years of being in LA, like my content had moments of suffering because there were just moments when I was, my life itself was a mess. And not even a mess in a bad way, just simply a mess where I didn't feel like I had a foundation.

• 17:20Alex Cooper?

  Can you explain in your opinion, like the good and the bad evil parts of LA when you're talking about your experience?

• 17:28Speaker 03

  I think the good is that there are so many people here that are in a similar industry to me and to you. It's so, being here is nice because there's a lot of people around that can relate because it's a very unique situation and it's comfortable to be around people that are in the same industry as you.

• 17:53Speaker 03

  But.

• 17:53Alex Cooper?

  But.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  But, well, also, another good thing about LA is that,

• 18:00Speaker 03

  you know, there's a lot more opportunities here and it's a lot easier, like, if you have to do a shoot for something, or if you have to do an interview for something, you know, everybody's in the same area, so, it's just a lot more convenient to get a lot more done, because everything's here. It's either here or New York, and usually it's here, actually. A lot of people from New York fly here to do stuff, and so, living here is very easy, uh, to get the most done, and I can't take that away from LA. Also, LA, you know, it's like the weather's nice and like, you know, you're close to the beach, like, there's great things about LA, but I will say that there is a lot of toxic stuff about it, number one being that you can't walk anywhere, that makes me really upset. Number two, that's like the stupidest thing to complain about, but it sucks.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  Um, number two, being around people that are in the same industry as you is also not always the best thing, because there's a lot of competitiveness, there's a lot of trying to, you know, use you to get farther, and that's something I didn't anticipate, you know, it's great when you can find someone here who is in the same space as you,

• 19:08Speaker 03

  that like, just wants companionship, but that's actually more rare than you think.

• 19:14Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  So, there's a lot of room to get fucked over when you're being friends with people in your industry, and that's something that I really struggled with and experienced.

• 19:27Alex Cooper?

  When you say that, can you elaborate a little bit on like, when was a, and you know, obviously you're not naming names, but when,

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 19:34Alex Cooper?

  When was a moment that you realized, like,

• 19:38Alex Cooper?

  I think I'm getting used right now?

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Oh my god. It's like been so many times, I mean, like, I...

• 19:47Speaker 03

  And, and sometimes using is not always a bad thing. Like, sometimes you can even find yourself being like, "Well, yeah, they're maybe using me, but I guess I'm kinda using them too."

• 19:57Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  You know, like, in certain types of collaborations, things like that. But I think that's kinda different, because usually, when it comes to like, a collaboration of some sort, uh, it's a mutual benefit. Sometimes it's not, though. And in those moments, you're like, "Okay, I'm not benefiting from this at all. This person's like, profiting off of me in some way." And I don't feel, number one, like it's having a positive impact on me. And number two, like, I don't think that they actually care about me. And so, that's when it gets a little messy, is when it's not a mutual thing, and you can tell that they actually don't even care about you at all. And, you know, it's a part of it.

• 20:39Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Again, like, it's a part of it. And so, I, in retrospect, now that I'm far away from all people, or all things that could ever put me in a spot where I would be used, or would feel taken advantage of in some way, like, now that I'm far away from those things, and I can look back at that, those moments when I did feel that way, and I was wrapped up in those things, I forgive, because I understand that, you know, it's like, we're all just trying to prove that we deserve to have dropped out of college, or to have dropped out of high school, or to have moved to LA. Like, we're all just trying to make it happen.

• 21:18Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  And so, if somebody thought that they could benefit from me in some way, yeah, that's not nice of them, but also, I understand where their head was at, and I'm able to forgive now.

• 21:27Alex Cooper?

  When you say you're able to forgive, so you've been burned by people?

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Boo.

• 21:45Alex Cooper?

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• 24:00Alex Cooper?

  Was it someone asking to come in your videos? Was it someone, a brand deal? Like, what are you referring to?

• 24:07Speaker 03

  There was like a few instances where, you know, people would want me to appear in their videos, for example. And, you know, I would be like, I can't today because like I need to be working and I need to like, I have to be do- And they'd be like, and you know, maybe because they were more successful than me in some ways or whatever. When they would be like, you have to. I would be like, okay. You know, and so I was young and very yes man when I first moved to LA. So if somebody in these like YouTubers who are maybe more established, they, I think that they knew that they could kinda

• 24:45Alex Cooper?

  Push you around.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Push me around a little bit, not only on camera but off as well, just by, you know, like they just knew that I was really also still kind of a fan of everyone. I think they could sense that as well. So a lot of people, I think, knew that they could take advantage of me and that it would be fine. And listen, again, it's fine, like I get it, but I'm also like, but it still sucked and it, it made me a lot less productive and it made me depressed because I felt like just an object in some ways, which again, I don't think that was their intent, but I felt like I was just like a fucking drone, a corporate drone. You know what I mean? Like a YouTube corporate drone.

• 25:26Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Um, and I honestly would say that the ways that I was burned the most though, were like more personal ways, like the ways that just like, people who were like kinda bullies to me, like behind the scenes. Like you would never, like not necessarily on camera, but like most of the shit that was like, bad was like behind the scenes, whereas just like shitty friends.

• 25:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Point blank, you know what I mean?

• 25:54Alex Cooper?

  And, and I feel like when you're also saying that, would it also, but it would always somehow tie back to content?

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I think that our friendship was based in content. You know, a lot of the times it was like, what was our friendship without content?

• 26:07Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Um, like if we weren't frie- like if we weren't making content together, would we be friends? It's hard to say.

• 26:16Alex Cooper?

  That's what I think a lot of people, um, aren't able to, obviously, aren't privy to that information. On the internet, you see these people, they're hanging out, oh my god, they're new friends. Most- Of the relationships that I have seen in LA are transactional.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  A thousand percent.

• 26:31Alex Cooper?

  I don't know a lot of people that like genuinely when we're all home like for like holidays. Like those people are not conversing.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:41Alex Cooper?

  Being like, hey, girl, like, how are you doing? Like, it's not like that. It's all based on, we're back in LA. You want to shoot a TikTok?

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:47Alex Cooper?

  And it and and you're promoting. I remember doing it in the beginning of my show when I had a co-host. It was like, we were promoting being like best friends. We'd met like three months before.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 26:57Alex Cooper?

  And it was like, but you sell this like fun lifestyle and it doesn't look great. I guess people think that if you're standing with someone that doesn't have followers, it's actually your friend from your hometown.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:08Alex Cooper?

  No one's interested in that. But if you're standing next to, if I'm standing next to Tana Mojo, that is logistically going to get more downloads and views.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 27:16Alex Cooper?

  Than if my friend Jackie from home is going to be next to me like, who the fuck is that bitch?

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:20Alex Cooper?

  So there is like an incentive to create these dynamics. But it's really dark.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Well, it's interesting because actually some of the friendships were like quite close friendships. Where we were talking a lot, some of them not, but like some of them genuinely were close like that.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  But the the question still remains, would we be friends if we weren't making content together when we were together?

• 27:48Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  And it's like, that's kind of where it gets foggy, right? Because it's like, we were really close, but if we weren't making content together, like, would we be hanging out? Would we even care to check in on one another? You know what I mean? Where was the intent?

• 28:04Alex Cooper?

  When did those type of dynamics, when did you wake up and they stop?

• 28:11Speaker 03

  It it happened like one by one, I would say, like, I would have kind of realization about. Just and it wasn't like anything. Some of them, there was like moments where it was like a blow up where I was just like fuck you, you know, like this is just like not like you are using me, I can tell, fuck you. But then other moments, it was like. It was more just like a drift away where I was like, you know what, how is our friendship off camera? And if the friendship was like not good, then I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna back away and I've always been somebody where I'm like. I don't feel much sadness if a friendship's not like. Positive, I'm, I will be the first one to fucking cut it off and just because. What's the point? You know, even if we're.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Profiting off of our friendship, even if we're not, even if it's a private friendship. Both, I will like w- walk away with no. Remorse if I feel like it's right. And so that I kept that principle for all friendships. You know, throughout my teen years. Have you ever stayed in a friendship longer? For fear of the public perception and the fallout?

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Yes, like I've definitely like, I've definitely struggled. To cut off public friendships a lot more. Public friendships have always been harder to kind of back away from. Even if it was like what needed to happen for all parties, you know, like it's definitely harder because you're like, God, like. You know, even if this ended civilly or even if it fucking didn't. Yeah. We, you know, I don't want someone else. The other party to get. In trouble by the court of public opinion for our friendship ending because even, let's say they did the worst shit. Let's say they were such an asshole to me.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  They're gonna pay enough with their own conscience. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's necessary to have the world knowing about that too. What do you get anxiety about? In general, like what are the main things that give you anxiety? I would say the main thing that gives me anxiety.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Is

• 30:24Speaker 03

  The pub is Something happening Where my character Is Portrayed incorrectly and it being believed, right? And me not feeling like I'm able to say, this is not me. Because I know, like, I don't care what anybody says, I'm not a fucking bad person. So, and I know that, and I know that because I have too much of a conscience, like, I, I, the guilt I feel about Everything. I, I can't do bad shit, like, I, because I just, my guilt and conscience is so strong That like, I almost wish I had less of that.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Because I actually feel guilty about things that I don't need to feel guilty about, and it sucks, you know, like, But I know that I'm not a bad person, but I do

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Sometimes fear that Something will get in the, somebody will even spread a rumor about me, that's not real. And that will become known as fact, and I know how Things work on the internet where it's like People aren't digging into every single story that they see, so if like, a bad story that comes out about me comes out, People see it, they're just gonna take it as fact, and let's say, a week later, it's proven, oh, that's not true, like, Emma, Emma didn't hit an old person in the street. Um, like, People are still gonna remember the article that they saw where they said, where they said that I did, and That's what freaks me out, is that, you know, I don't always feel like I'm able to defend myself, and I also don't always want to. Yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  And I also can't go in, in, uh, diffuse every rumor about myself. I would be fucking, that's all I would ever do. Yeah. You know what I mean? If I went and addressed every fucking rumor, or every fake blah, blah, blah, blah, blah About me, you know, I wouldn't, that would be actually my full-time job. So like, I can't do it. And so, it's just like, this process of trying to figure out, like, You know?

• 32:31Speaker 03

  Like, I just feel so out of control of the public perception of me because somebody could go and lie about me tomorrow. And you know what? The other thing is, I don't, like, let's say I did do something fucked up. Let's say I did push an old lady in the street. Let's say I was having a really bad day. Who knows?

• 32:48Speaker 03

  There's not a lot of room for having a bad day. There's not a lot of room for making a one-off mistake. And even if that's not something that reflects my character, how am I?

• 33:00Speaker 03

  I can apologize and say, "This is not me all I want", but everybody does that. And how do people even know that I'm being honest? You know, so it's like, it kind of feels like a witch hunt in a way. And I think that in some areas, like, yeah, criticism is necessary. Absolutely. But I think that sometimes, like, people love it. And so they want to feed the drama. And I don't want to be the butt of that. And listen, it's happened.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  You survive, but it just fucking sucks. And it sucks even more when it's not true, or it's not a representation of you as a person. And people make blanket statements like, "Oh, we, we heard Emma did this one time. Emma is now evil all around", you know? There was like a rumor that I was a bully in high school. And I remember, I was like, "Okay", and I saw like a girl from my high school made a TikTok that was fully not true. It was fully not true about like me saying some mean shit during class. Like, made of this whole, like, fake story. I'm like, "Girl, I...

• 34:08Speaker 03

  We went to all-girls school. We were like nerdy, like, nobody was bullying each other in high school. Is there a chance that I excluded somebody in high school? Is there a chance that I maybe made a snarky remark to someone in high school? Fuck, yes, there is. There's a great chance that I probably did that sometimes. I woke up too early. I was in a bad fucking mood. Sure. But..." I never did anything evil. I know that for a fact. And you know what? If I did, I'm sorry. I, I don't know. I don't remember. Do you fucking remember what you did in high school? No, nobody fucking remembers. And we're also kids. It's like kids playing in a fucking knife drawer. We're all learning how to be good people and you're gonna fuck up in that process. But it's the fact that, you know, my identity is in the hands of like everyone who's ever met me

• 34:52Speaker 03

  and everybody who's ever seen me do anything. And I don't have control over that. And the psychological damage is quite, it is crazy. But also, I send up for it. So here we are. You know what I mean?

• 35:07Alex Cooper?

  Most people listening to this podcast right now are the ones that you're referring to as your boss, my boss. They're listening to this and they're going to make a decision.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:17Alex Cooper?

  Do we like Emma Chamberlain?

• 35:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:19Alex Cooper?

  Does the daddy gang like Emma Chamberlain? And, and I'm sure

• 35:21Speaker 03

  It's okay if you guys don't.

• 35:22Alex Cooper?

  No, and, and I'm sure vice versa. There's gonna be people that are like, why, there's people that don't like me? And they'll be like, why did Emma go on Alex's show? And it's like, people are unforgiving and ruthless on the internet. And not only that, they are excited when there's drama. Like, there are, there have been episodes where people are like, I'm gonna cancel you for having that person on your show.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:44Alex Cooper?

  But does it say more about me for having them on? Why are those episodes the most downloaded though?

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 35:50Alex Cooper?

  So that's actually you guys are listening. You are the ones ingesting it. You're clicking on it. I don't know. I, it's a, it's a scary industry a little bit to be in right now.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  I agree. And I think the other thing is, is that there's a difference between, you know, somebody doing something genuinely bad. Right? And something genuinely bad and having an intent that's like, I actually, like, wanna hurt people. You know, cuz that, that happens on the internet. You know, you see people fuck up and do things that genuinely directly harm people and they actually had the intent of harming people, right? I never, on my whole time on the internet, have ever posted something with the, with a negative intent, right? Now, listen, if I do something that is perceived in a way where it's like, Emma, that's not right, and here's why. That's fine. I'm willing to like, learn. I'm always open-minded, you know, and I think constructive criticism

• 36:47Speaker 03

  There's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. This could have been perceived in a way that was offensive and hurtful. I totally get that. Then it's like, okay, we'll, we'll go from there and thank you for letting me know. Let's move on. Like, I, I didn't have that intent, but I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm so glad that, you know, you let me know. Yeah. I'm so happy to do better next time and to be more aware of how this could be perceived wrong. But it's when people are like, oh no. You're done. You're done because even though you had no idea what you were doing, and even though it was a complete, complete 200% accident, you're still done because you made a mistake. That is such fucking uncharted territory. How are you supposed to predict?

• 37:28Speaker 03

  It's like, I could fucking, like, put on deodorant in a video and I feel like at this point, somebody's gonna be like,

• 37:35Speaker 03

  you're offending people that don't want to wear deodorant. Like, no, literally. You know what I mean? It's like, I understand that, like, you have to, if somebody does something wrong, holding them accountable is fair and in some actually places, very good. I've learned so much from being on the internet. Same. And from people being like, hey, when you talk about this like this, that's not cool. And I've been like, damn, I would have never known that otherwise. Thank you. Like, truly, like, I'm grateful for that. But it's when it's like, people twisting shit just for funsies. And not giving me room to be like, it just discourages me and it just makes me, yeah, it makes me want to disappear. Yeah. You know? How has your brand evolved?

• 38:18Speaker 03

  When I first started, uh, on the internet in general, I was just kind of copying what all the girlies were doing. You know, I was like, okay, I'll talk about makeup and clothes and things like that. And then that wasn't really lighting my soul on fire. So then I was like, I'm gonna start vlogging. And I just started vlogging and then I vlogged for years. I mean, I was like, you know, just like filming random shit, like whatever I thought was like funny or interesting or random at the time, I was just filming it. And so, um, in some like more concept based videos too, like stuff where I was like, Going to children's place and trying to pick out a cute outfit, you know, like shit like that.

• 38:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  Um, and just like having fun with whatever. I kinda had no, I was like, my baseline theme on my channel is me. So like whatever happens, I'm just like the main theme of it, which I mean, uh, uh, what kind of like self-centered idiot 16-year-old do you have to be to think that that's gonna? I know, right? I'm like, damn.

• 39:15Alex Cooper?

  It's about me?

• 39:16Speaker 03

  I'm like, it's about me. Okay, that's it. My, what's your channel about, babe? It's about me.

• 39:20Alex Cooper?

  Tune in, bitches.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  I promise you'll love it. No, um, but really that was it. And then I think within the past like year or so, I've been trying to kinda make my content a little bit more mature because I'm more mature, you know, so like on my podcast, I've been talking about more serious topics and on my YouTube, you know, the last few videos I made were very like more just like chill and toned down and just relaxed and like not super based on like a gimmicky kind of concept, like just kind of just me existing and doing whatever and like editing the videos myself in a way that I felt was like

• 40:01Speaker 03

  calming and more mature to watch, I would say. Cause I just don't think that like I wanna be making, you know, I have to evolve the things that I'm putting out or else they'll seem ingenuine. They have to evolve with me or else it's like not gonna work.

• 40:28Alex Cooper?

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• 41:08Alex Cooper?

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• 41:21Speaker 03

  It can kind of be a lot, and that is why Airbnb has become my family's favorite way to travel. Everyone has different needs around the holidays, but Airbnb makes it easy to book a spot that kind of just checks all of your boxes. Having one place where everyone can hang and cook and slow down, it just makes the trip that much more special. So before the holiday rush really kicks in, find a place where everyone can actually gather, relax, and make memories together with Airbnb.

• 41:49Alex Cooper?

  You mentioned kind of having an identity crisis. You have an entire life to live. How do you see this public persona that you created basically as a child

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:02Alex Cooper?

  evolving into adulthood?

• 42:05Speaker 03

  This is something I've been thinking about a lot because I think that the last four years or whatever of me being on the internet, you know, I, when it came to my career, I was just in autopilot. I was just like pumping shit out and it was coming from my heart still, but it was like, I was just kind of like on go, go, go, go, go mode. So I wasn't thinking about anything too deeply and I also wasn't thinking about, I definitely wasn't thinking about my own personal identity when no one's around and I'm by myself and I look in the mirror, who is that?

• 42:46Speaker 03

  I was so focused on working 24/7 for the past four years that I was teetering between having no thoughts and being burnt out and just feeling like I was like dying because I just could not look at a Final Cut Pro one more fucking time, right? But then also moments of just like absolutely just busting shit out. And like, it was just like back and forth teetering. That left no time for me to ever have a free moment to be like, okay, wait, who am I outside of all this? So for the past, for the past four years, you know, I've just been on the, in this hamster wheel of working and working and working

• 43:28Speaker 03

  and working and working and, you know, kind of exploiting myself at times to just do as much as I possibly could. Especially because I started to get so many opportunities that I was excited about. I was like, well, I don't want to say no, you know what I mean? Like I, like I want to do everything, but you can't do that. But I didn't know that at the time. So I was spreading myself so thin and giving myself no time to.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Sit back and be like, okay, wait, who the fuck are you? Who the fuck are you? And within the past, I would say honestly, especially two or three months, I've been having a lot of like psychological struggles because I'm like, I'm now having to figure out, like, refine my identity after like shoving it away for the past four years, ignoring it and just putting that on the back burner. It's like now I'm left being like, I don't even know what fulfills me, what excites me, what, you know, makes me feel like I have purpose outside of my work. I don't know what it is because I've not let myself go there. I didn't have the time to go there.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  And so that's kind of what I'm figuring out now and you know, I've gotten to a place where it got so dark for me, you know, even recently that I was like, well, I don't fucking care if everything goes away. I'm like, I don't care because I'm so, I'm so disconnected from myself that like I need to refine that. And if when I'm ready to come back to the internet fully and if when I'm ready to like, you know, get back into the swing of things, like, I, if, if people don't want to watch anymore, people don't care anymore,

• 45:09Speaker 03

  I need to do what I gotta do. Yeah. It's impossible

• 45:14Speaker 03

  to develop your identity and be online at the same time because developing your identity means silence. You need silence. You need alone time. You need to be intimate with people. You know, you need all of these types of things that do not align with being a fucking YouTuber or even being a podcaster at times. You know, I think podcasts is like, when it comes to personal identity, it's easier, especially too, because like they can't always see you. There's something nice about, I don't know. But with YouTube specifically, it's like trying to develop your personality and simultaneously continue to be consistent on the internet. It's like you cannot do both because you have to have a fully formed, something to show. Did you ever watch Harry Potter? You know, I did. Okay.

• 46:00Alex Cooper?

  Did you watch the reunion?

• 46:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 46:03Alex Cooper?

  Emma, you need to watch it. I don't know if anyone listening is a Harry Potter fan, but some people may consider me like Slytherin. I'm more of like a Gryffindor Hufflepuff.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  You're giving me Gryffindor through and through and I'm like, and I don't say that about many people.

• 46:14Alex Cooper?

  People like Slytherin bitch, I'm like, no, I'm Hufflepuff. Like, no, I'm not Gryffindor.

• 46:18Speaker 03

  You're Gryffindor.

• 46:19Alex Cooper?

  Anyways, it is fascinating because Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe, and I think it was Ron who was like, I love how I'm calling. See, I'm even calling them by those names, the characters.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Of course, of course.

• 46:33Alex Cooper?

  They literally said, they were like, when we stopped the movies,

• 46:37Alex Cooper?

  I genuinely felt uncomfortable when people called me my real name. I didn't feel like I could even identify with that name.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 46:45Alex Cooper?

  Child stars or child performers or now internet kids that come up on the internet, they are losing some of their identity in the characters that they're portraying. How did the growth of Emma Chamberlain? Stop? When Emma Chamberlain, the internet character, was born?

• 47:10Speaker 03

  You know,

• 47:13Speaker 03

  I, I wouldn't say that like my growth completely stopped because I, you know, it's like, I was still growing. I, for the last four years, made my entire purpose in life to like, at a certain point, I was like, my entire purpose is to now succeed at this and take it as far as I can. And enjoy it while I'm doing it, right? And so I put away and threw away all other purposes that I had even brewing in me. I was like, I don't give a fuck about anything else. I'm throwing all of my eggs in this, in this basket. You know what I mean? I want to make, this is my only purpose. And then now I'm at a place where I've arrived at what I wanted to happen.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  And now I'm left with this feeling where I'm like, this is fucking amazing and I'm so happy that I'm here.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  But I don't have any more goals in this area, right? I don't have any more thing, I don't wanna get more followers, I don't wanna get more views, I don't care about that shit anymore, you know, like, at a certain point, I was like, I would love to grow this as big as I can, like, whatever. Now, I'm like, I don't really think it needs to go any bigger, like, I'm good, you know what I mean? I'm fine with it how it is now.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  So I'm having to like, figure out now,

• 48:36Speaker 03

  what things will give me purpose outside of this, and it's a fucking hard pill to swallow. I didn't, I, you know, I'm like, I'm 20 and I'm like,

• 48:49Speaker 03

  where, I have to, now I have to find a whole new purpose, but also, everybody is looking at me and is like,

• 48:58Speaker 03

  look at, like, you know, but you, but you have this to look at, and I'm like, I need something bigger and deeper for myself, that might not have anything to do with the internet, you know what I mean? I just don't know what that is yet, and so that's been something that I've been struggling with, is like, you know, I haven't had time to like, you know, do hobbies or whatever, but the other thing is, is that I'm now in a routine where like, I don't really have a lot of inspiration to do things that don't involve my work, which is a weird thing that like, because my work in my hobbies became one, right?

• 49:31Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  So like, I don't have like, the desire to do other little hobbies that like, my brain convinces me are pointless to do. You know what I'm saying?

• 49:41Alex Cooper?

  Well, and also, your job

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:44Alex Cooper?

  has flowed in not only to like, your purpose and your hobby, but it's also flowed into like, your actual lifestyle and living.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  Every part of my life.

• 49:52Alex Cooper?

  You can't go, you're not even 21, but if, once you're 21, you can't go to a bar

• 49:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:59Alex Cooper?

  and not get recognized, and what you do in that bar is a direct reflection on your job, which is your purpose, and so every single aspect of your life is wrapped up, basically, in your job.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:13Alex Cooper?

  Which... For some people it's very normal and for some people it's like, oh, I work at 95 and when fucking Friday hits, I am a different beast on the weekend.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 50:21Alex Cooper?

  You don't have a weekend.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's honestly like, everything in my life is melded into one where it's like, my job, my social life, or lack thereof, most of the time, because I'm too anxious. But like, you know, every element of my life is all connected. You know, I don't have a separation of things. And because of that, it all feels like everything could fall apart if I just pushed the wrong domino. And it could just all fucking fall down. Like, you know, it's, it's, everything feels very fragile, which is why I'm now like, okay, I can't have all my eggs in this basket. I want to continue doing this. This is, you know, my passion and something that I, I enjoy doing this stuff, right?

• 51:07Speaker 03

  But I have to find a life outside of it and solidify that life and like make that life something where I'm not so worried about what people think of me on the internet. I'm not so worried about, you know, if this all went away tomorrow, because I do have this life outside of it that's so rich that it doesn't matter.

• 51:25Alex Cooper?

  Walk me through social anxiety now with this platform.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  It is, I mean, of course, like, I do love meeting people. I mean, I really do and I'm, I am generally a social person, I would say, like, I'm, I don't really get social anxiety about talking to people. Like, if somebody comes up, I mean, there's been moments when it's been like kind of overwhelming or something, just because it was like, you know, I was late to something or blah, blah, blah, blah. I always, you know, the actual interaction itself is always pleasant, you know? The only thing that I'm paranoid about is people who don't maybe like me and see me in public and they are like, want to film me or are like watching me and like making fun of me behind my back. Like, it's the fact that I could be anywhere and somebody might recognize me and I might not actually know that they know me.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  If somebody comes up to me and like says, oh, my God, like, what's up? You know, like, that's sweet. I don't actually mind that. It's, it's the fact that I don't know when I'm a not, when I'm just another human being drifting through the street or when. Somebody is watching me because they've seen me before. That is what makes me anxious. And that's what makes it hard, you know, because I'm constantly feeling like I'm being surveilled, whether I know it or not.

• 52:43Alex Cooper?

  What are you doing, though, like tangibles, in order to try to find and redefine and that identity that you're looking for?

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Um, I think a big step in it was deciding like that I'm gonna probably step back from YouTube.

• 53:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  You know, just because I will say that, and I mean, I don't know, I'm not making anything definite, right? I'm just like, this is just where I'm at now. I take it day by day. That's what I have to do, or else I lose my mind. But, um, I, I do, like, for me, doing a weekly podcast is something that I can do. Because, I mean, it's very much me sitting in bed and like just talking. Um, but I also think that by stepping back from YouTube, I have a lot more free time so that I can figure out, okay, maybe I want to like,

• 53:39Speaker 03

  you know, who knows what I want to do? But like, I might want to do something else that's creative, that I can create for, you know, the world to hopefully enjoy if they decide to enjoy it, like, it gives me room to explore, number one, like, what I could do next in my career. But also, it gives me more time to like, develop friendships properly, because I also, you know, don't like to have people in my videos or in my, on my podcast or anything, because I just gives me too much anxiety, and I like it just to be me. And so, you know, it caused me to push a lot of people away, because I couldn't combine work and play, you know? I had to keep those very separate. And so, because of that, it was like, I didn't hang out with people very often.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  So I'm taking this time to just like, have as much free time as possible, and just let myself get really bored and like, see what I

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Do to entertain myself.

• 54:34Alex Cooper?

  I also hear when you're saying you're gonna give yourself that freedom to find things you like, but then don't grab the camera and film it for content. Like, no, it's yours. Let it be yours. Let a hobby be yours and don't be like, oh, this would make a good vlog.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 54:49Alex Cooper?

  Like, you, you, there's gotta be a line for yourself of like, no, cuz then you're working. Like, do it for yourself. I can already feel like the tension. You're like, fuck, I know. And I've, I've done it too where I'm like, oh, that was such a fun moment. And then I have to exploit it on my podcast. And I'm like, it's hard.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  I, and I think I have to be strict with myself and be like, Emma, like, you know, you can do your podcast, but you can't be posting videos and be trying to figure out who you are and what you enjoy to do when the camera's off. If the camera's still fucking on every week, you just can't figure it out. So, you know,

• 55:27Speaker 03

  I don't know, like, what's, like, I'm constantly, like, changing my, like, I'm like, oh, now I'm doing this. Oh, wait, now I'm doing this. Like, I'm all over the place, right?

• 55:34Alex Cooper?

  Dude, you're 20, as you should be.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Right. So it's like, I, but I just don't think, I also don't know if, I feel like that there might be something else out there that might excite me career-wise and might light me, light my soul on fire, you know, like, there's something out there that I might be missing.

• 55:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  And so I wanna have a, a little bit of time to explore that and see, like, what I wanna do next that's gonna be exciting to me. Um.

• 56:04Alex Cooper?

  I think that's amazing.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 56:07Alex Cooper?

  In terms of growing up, basically on the internet, you have presented a very, like, PC brand and no sex, no, like, we don't even know, like, has Emma Chamberlain ever had sex? Has she ever kissed a boy? Has she ever get, like, we don't know.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:28Alex Cooper?

  How has people's fascination with your sexuality affected your sexuality?

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's really interesting because I always, I, I struggled with my sexual identity growing up as well because, as I mentioned earlier, like, I was just a late bloomer and I just also wasn't like an ultra feminine girl and I've never been like a super stereotypically feminine woman, but yet, like, I, I-

• 57:02Speaker 03

  A straight woman, like, that's what I am. But like, no one ever, like, I've always gotten like shit for that, you know, and people have, growing up, too, you know, like, people being like, "That's not true." And I'm like, "You guys, like, why?" And, and I mean, listen, like, I don't ever wanna complain, like, sexuality is such a tough and like intimate and emotion-filled subject that like, I don't wanna complain about people like, you know, questioning my sexuality because I know it can be so much worse and so much more complex.

• 57:42Speaker 03

  So I don't wanna sound like I'm complaining, but at the time, I was like, you know, people, like, I remember my ex-boyfriend, was like, we were dating and like, one of his friends, like, was like, "Dude, like, she doesn't actually like you, like, she, I don't think she actually likes you, like, she's, I think she likes girls, like, I don't think she likes you." And then he came to me and told me that, and I was like, "Why the fuck would you say that? Like, just why the fuck would you say that? Like, why are you assuming that? Like, 'cause that's not true, and if it was true, so fucking be it." But like, why is this like, why are people speculating? Like, I'm, like, I'm dating it, like,

• 58:19Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think he thought that?

• 58:20Speaker 03

  So he actually told my ex-boyfriend why he thought this, and it was because I didn't wear makeup and I, and I wore sweatpants a lot.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  So all of a sudden, now I'm like, not allowed to like boys. I was like, "Shut th-" like,

• 58:33Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  Holy fuck, I mean, seriously, like, just stupid. And, I mean, I've always thought, like,

• 58:40Speaker 03

  I mean, I get it, we're humans, like, we're curious about other humans, and so, I don't think it's like, I don't think there's anything wrong with, within the privacy of your own mind to look at somebody else and be like, "Hmm, I wonder this, this, or that about their sexuality." If you do that within the safety of your own mind,

• 58:55Alex Cooper?

  Totally fine.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  Sure. But don't go to my boyfriend and be like, "Dude, like, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here." Like, that's so fucking rude.

• 59:04Alex Cooper?

  Did that affect your relationship then with your boyfriend in terms of psychologically for you, was it always?

• 59:10Speaker 03

  I was like, "Well..."

• 59:13Speaker 03

  All of a sudden, now I feel like I need to start being like, not myself. Like, this is me.

• 59:17Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? This is just who I am.

• 59:19Alex Cooper?

  Like, trying to prove now you're straight. Like, no, I do like guys. I do like you.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I'm like, why the fuck should I have to prove that anyway? Nobody should ever have to prove shit about.

• 59:27Alex Cooper?

  Never.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  It's like, it's so incredibly nobody's business, which is, I think, why, like, I've always kind of been afraid of getting into it, is just because I'm like, sexuality is also something that has ebbs and flows too. Like, some moments, you're like, oh my god, I'm on like a roll, I'm just like hooking up with everybody and like, I just whatever. And sometimes you're like, I literally can't remember the last time I felt like, any kind of excitement about anything sexually. Like, there's so many moments, things are constantly evolving there, but,

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  um, I also think that I'm just not somebody where, actually, let me rephrase. Because I was a very late developer as a young person, and because I didn't get any attention from guys really, for my appearance, um, I definitely, like, became used to getting attention from what I was talking about, and like, what I was, and how I was behaving. And like, that was what I started to lean into more, because I was like, well, people don't, I don't have boobies. So like, nobody's looking at me for my boobies. So, you know, I have to figure out some other way to get attention. And so that kind of became muscle memory, where I was like, well, now I just

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  feel like nobody's ever looking at me and is like, looking at me in a sexual way. So, in order to like, get attention, I just have to like, utilize my personality, and then hope that like, through that, somebody will be able to be attracted to me in a more sexual way, like, if they maybe like, like me, personality-wise. So that's kind of what I became used to, but it always made me feel shitty, because I was like, I just don't think guys are looking at me, and are like, looking at me in a sexual way, ever. And that fucked with me, because I was like, But, but why? Like, you know what I mean? I was like, this sucks.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  And even now that I'm older and like I, like my boob has grown like maybe like this much. Like, like a tiny little, little tiny bit. But now that I'm older, you know, it's like, even though like, that's not really as much of an issue anymore. It's still, there's a little trauma there, you know? Where in the back of my head, I'm like, number one, I remember people always not believing that I was like, that I was somebody who preferred dating men.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  Which like fucked with me, but then also like, I,

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  like have memories of like, just guys not being attracted to me physically. And then on top of that,

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  like, I'm also just not a super outwardly sexual person. Like, I never present myself in a very outwardly sexual way. I'm just not comfortable doing that. And I don't have, there's nothing wrong with doing that. I just, it's never felt right to me. And I've always felt like, well, because I'm not an outwardly sexual person, like, does that make me less attractive too in some ways? You know what I mean? So, but like, that's just, it's so interesting though, because the perception of me is, is so interesting for me to like, watch. Like, people are like, I've seen comments that are just like, there's just no way like Emma's ever had sex. And I get it, but I get it, but then that fucks with me. Cause I'm like, I get why they think that.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  So,

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  it like creeps me out. You know what I mean?

• 1:03:10Alex Cooper?

  I will admit, I'm a tomboy and I have been my whole life. And so my brand is weird because I was so over-sexualizing myself.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:03:16Alex Cooper?

  That I felt imposter syndrome sometimes where I'm like, that's not actually the full truth. Like, I don't, I'm not incredible in bed every night. That's the truth. Some days I'm really tired. And like, and so for me, it was like weird to acknowledge that. But for you, do you ever find yourself like pushing yourself to?

• 1:03:36Alex Cooper?

  Try to be more feminine so that you feel something like Does that make sense?

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  A thousand percent. I

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  I mean, my like experiences in throughout my life, actually, I haven't had like a lot of one-off experiences. Like, I've mainly just been in relationships, which I think

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  was good and bad. You know what I mean? Well, I think, um, okay. I would say when it came to like any experience I've ever had in my life, where it's been like a sort of one-time thing. Which hasn't actually happened a lot, but every time that it has, I feel like I've been able to kind of play a game where maybe I'm being a little bit more feminine. Because it's like it's just fun. Like, it's just fun. It's like, I can just like be whatever the fuck I want right now.

• 1:04:32Alex Cooper?

  And it's like a fake confidence you give yourself by acting it out. You're like, I can be this way. I am.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  You can't do that in a relationship.

• 1:04:38Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Because the fucking, the colors come out far too quick. So like, I've never really been able to like play that game in a relationship. I definitely have done that in the few times that I've like, again, like, so it's happened, but never in relationships. But I found that in past relationships, I didn't feel as respected by guys that I've dated in the past, just because I feel like they kind of

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  well, especially like one relationship in particular, but it was just like, I just felt like

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  you know, he was very critical of the fact that I like, maybe wasn't a super feminine girl. And like, sometimes he was like, oh, it's actually super cool and chill. And then sometimes he was like, he was like, like, if I had like, put on jeans and come over, he would be like,

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  oh, my god, like, you finally like, put effort in. Like, that's crazy. Like, it was like

• 1:05:30Alex Cooper?

  And you're like

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  And I'm like, dude, shut the

• 1:05:32Alex Cooper?

  Fuck off.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Like, I'm like, or, you know, if I would be wearing makeup. Or whatever, it would be like a big deal and like it would be like, oh my god, you're wearing makeup? Like whoa, you know what I mean? Or like, or like, you should wear heels tonight. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I'm like, no, like, I felt like I wasn't enough.

• 1:05:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  In, in like, the areas that I was feminine weren't enough. So I felt like, you know, there was an effort to like, make me more feminine, to fit what they wanted. But just like, again, it's like, we were fucking kids. We were, all my relationships happen, you know, at such young ages that it's like, of course, there's gonna be shit like that.

• 1:06:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  Um, but I would say, I'm fully comfortable now in, like, what areas I'm more feminine and what areas I'm more masculine. Because I, simply just getting into a relationship where my masculine and feminine traits are appreciated, but also like, you know, dating somebody who like, just doesn't care about that shit and is just like, enjoys people for like, being a person, like that, it's like, and less about like,

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  and also it's like, kinda similar to me in the sense where like, maybe not the super traditional, super masculine, super femi- like, tha- that's not playing any roles in our relationship.

• 1:06:52Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:06:53Alex Cooper?

  So, and that's what it is, is like, anyone listening, like, sometimes it just takes finding the right partner, that you don't need to change yourself.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:07:00Alex Cooper?

  You just need to find someone that like, aligns with making you feel like you can be 100% authentically yourself around them. And when you do, that, it's a, it's a beautiful place to be in.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 1:07:23Alex Cooper?

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• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Yes, I have had sex, Alex.

• 1:08:12Alex Cooper?

  Can you tell me, would, can you tell me when you lost your virginity, or no?

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  I was, I've never talked about this on the internet, this is so fun.

• 1:08:20Alex Cooper?

  Well, this is Call Her Daddy and I'll get roasted by my own ass.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Well, I also like, in my personal life, I talk about sex all the time.

• 1:08:26Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  That's why it's so fucking weird for me that I never talk about it, like,

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  I'm not like, I talk about it all the time, so it's like not-

• 1:08:35Alex Cooper?

  And you're not saying in your show, you just mean in real life?

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, in real life, I'm, I am like, I talk about it all the time, so it's weird that I don't-

• 1:08:42Alex Cooper?

  Dude, when we had Zooms that time, you were talking about it with me, I'm not saying like even just sex, she's not like, Emma's not like a nympho, like-

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  I have so much sex, you guys.

• 1:08:49Alex Cooper?

  Right, but like, it, I was surprised, I remember on that Zoom, how naturally you discussed, just like, "Oh yeah, like, I loved that, like, I've listened to your show," and I, like, and I was like, "Oh shit, I had no fucking idea." Your brand is very specific, and it's not that you're avoiding it, it's just, it's not talked about.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing, it's like, if something's not talked about, then how are you supposed to, like, know how someone, where someone stands on a topic? And it's interesting because, yeah, I just like, it's so bizarre to like, talk about it, but it's also kinda fun.

• 1:09:21Alex Cooper?

  Okay, answer the question.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  Because I feel like I'm old enough now, like, I'm finally old enough where I get to talk about it.

• 1:09:24Alex Cooper?

  It was like the Disney Channel effect, it was like when Miley Cyrus was like, "I have to go to such extreme and go like dance on a pole because like, everyone sees me as a baby, and I need them to not see me as that."

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  Meanwhile, she was like, probably like fucking smoking weed on set, at Hannah Montana, like, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:09:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  There's, there's so many things that like-

• 1:09:42Alex Cooper?

  The perceptions can pigeonhole you, and it, and then it does affect your identity, and so I can feel you being like, "Hey guys, like, I'm 20."

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Alex Cooper?

  "I can say I've had sex before."

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Alex Cooper?

  "That's okay." Even though your publicist may be like, "Don't say that."

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  I don't think, but also like, I, yeah.

• 1:10:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so-

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  I was 17.

• 1:10:05Alex Cooper?

  Great age.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  It was actually a really not bad experience, like, it was with a guy that I was like, seeing at the time, that I was- Pretty comfortable with and I mean, he was definitely like, you know, he had had sex lots of times and I obviously hadn't. But he was like, great. He like, really like. I don't know, it was just like, it was one of the most jarring experiences for me though in my entire life. Because it was one of those things where.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  It was something I just like, never believed was possible for myself because I, you know, growing up, I had these experiences of people like, you know, doubting. My sexuality, you know, I even had moments where like. I was kinda like, I don't even know if I like anyone. Like I went through phases where I was like. I feel nothing towards anyone and like, I don't even know if like, I'm ever gonna like somebody enough to. You know, let them in like that and and I also. Was like, I don't feel like anybody wants to do this with me, you know, like I've never been. Nobody's ever looked at me in a sexual way before, at least to my face. So like, I don't think that this is possible.

• 1:11:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  Um. And so when it was happening, I was like, oh. It was so, it was, I was like, this is just like, feels like everything's like shifting. In my life, you know, because I was like, damn, this is like a new. Chapter and I felt I had weirdly like imposter syndrome. With it, right? Because I was like, I don't feel like. I'm like, are you sure that you want to do this? I'm like. Nobody ever wanted to do this, so I don't know why you want to do this. And also I had a huge crush on this guy at the time. So like. You know, it was even more crazy for me. Um, and in retrospect, I can look back and be like. No, like.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  I, I like, I was being hard on myself and I didn't need to be like that, but um.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  It, I mean, it hurt really bad, that's all.

• 1:12:03Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I don't, no one should ever be like, my first time was incredible, like, no.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  It was so awful. We didn't even have sex.

• 1:12:11Alex Cooper?

  Right, you're, it's like, it's like a movement and then you're like, alright, we did it because it's like one. You, no one has, you're not gonna have an orgasm, yeah, it's not gonna fit. You're, you're not experienced, you don't know what you're supposed to be doing, you don't know what you're supposed to be feeling. It's almost like, let me just get through this, not in like a creepy way, it's more just like. No, no one's going to be relaxed and chill.

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  It doesn't get fun until you're like.

• 1:12:30Alex Cooper?

  Older.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  Older.

• 1:12:31Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  And even like. Then like, there's always more to learn.

• 1:12:37Alex Cooper?

  Always. And really, I think the weird thing is, is like the as I've learned through my show is like, it really starts with yourself and a lot of people don't feel comfortable starting sexually with themselves until you get a little bit older.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:12:49Alex Cooper?

  Because there's like a lot of weird shame and especially if you haven't felt this like feminine sexual energy, you're so in your head that to even like be by yourself and masturbating, you're already thinking outside of your body about how you're, I'm not sexual, this is weird. What am I, and you get in your head.

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Well, you also are like, it's so true. I mean, I've had moments like on a personal level, but also like with other people, like when I'm, you know, like, where I've just been, I I've gotten into my head and been like, almost embarrassed. Where I'm like, bitch, you are not, stop, like, stop being like.

• 1:13:29Alex Cooper?

  Like, stop faking it. Like, you're on top and you're like, I'm, this isn't, this doesn't feel genuine.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  I literally, I'm like, this is not, it feels like out of character. And it doesn't feel like it aligns with me and like.

• 1:13:45Alex Cooper?

  And you want to do it.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  I hate going on top. Because I, I'm like, I don't want to have to fucking think about me.

• 1:13:50Alex Cooper?

  No, but I think, I think it's okay to say in terms of like, sexually, it's hard, especially growing up where there, I mean, I will admit, like, my show, as much as it probably gave women confidence, it also probably drew a big hole in people's sex lives, being like, we, I don't do that. And like, I I've never, and then it's in, you get insecure.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:14:11Alex Cooper?

  And again, porn and everything makes you feel like you've got to be this like sexual deviant. And so when you're like, again, like a position like on top, eyes are on you and you're like, okay, so I know I'm supposed to start like moaning and then like I should like throw my head back. And like, but naturally, right now, like, I feel a little out of body imposter syndrome of like, I don't feel that yet. And it's, so it's weird.

• 1:14:34Speaker 03

  But also like if you're, like for me personally, I'm not so, like, I don't fucking like want it. It doesn't excite me to like do crazy shit necessarily. I just don't.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  But it's like, people are very judgmental about if you're like, I'm not, I don't, like, I, listen, it's not like I'm not a sexual person, there's definitely that side of me, but I also am like not a super sexual person and like there are times when I'm like, I don't, it doesn't need to be this like whole crazy thing, like it's just, it just is what it is and like, I don't feel like, I don't wanna fucking perform. I don't wanna, it just, and I think that the expectation to perform might actually end up being detrimental too at times because you're like, it's all about like figuring out what the vibe is and like if you're just like, well, the vibe doesn't feel like making really loud sounds right now, but I'm just gonna do it anyway, cuz I saw it in porn yesterday.

• 1:15:30Alex Cooper?

  And then you get into that pattern and then you're like, when can I stop?

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  And then it's like, but then it takes away from the intimacy of it.

• 1:15:36Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  You should just disappear and like not think.

• 1:15:38Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  And like let it happen.

• 1:15:40Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  And that's it. You just have to get out of your own way.

• 1:15:42Alex Cooper?

  I will also say, like, I think when what you're saying is the majority and the norm and, and, but people publicly don't admit that.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:15:54Alex Cooper?

  And so it's like, let's just say it.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  I will admit that I like will enjoy, like, it, I, Kay, I know you were gonna hate, I was just about to say something, I'm not gonna say it. Wait, but should I say it anyways?

• 1:16:04Alex Cooper?

  What? And then I'll cut it out.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  On Call Her Daddy, I will admit that I enjoy vanilla sex.

• 1:16:11Alex Cooper?

  I think that's okay. Like, you're not trying to like, like you're not trying to,

• 1:16:15Speaker 03

  Bring sex.

• 1:16:15Alex Cooper?

  Like, you're not trying to like swing from the, I think that's totally fine.

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  Like, what's wrong with like fucking, like,

• 1:16:21Alex Cooper?

  Like a good missionary and then like one other positionary.

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  And then go to bed. What is wrong with it?

• 1:16:26Alex Cooper?

  Nothing.

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  I don't need to fucking like literally do a helicopter background fucking

• 1:16:31Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  fuck flip all over. I don't wanna do that. I also like, Feel like, like, I mean, listen, okay, yeah. There's moments when you can be crazy, there's moments when you can be fun, I get it. That's like once in a blue moon. In reality, it doesn't need to be like that.

• 1:16:46Alex Cooper?

  And I think it's also like, I'm thinking about like, the sex I was having at 20, like, I'm excited for you because it's like, in, at 20, I was faking things and I was performing and I knew, like, I, it was, it was all a game to me. Cause I was like, if I do this, then he'll be obsessed with me and then blah, blah, blah. And it was all, it kinda all corresponded to like, a bigger goal of mine, not just like the immediate bedroom. But I do think as you get older, and again, as you get to know yourself sexually, you begin to like, actually find things that you know you like, and then it's not even about vanilla sex, it's like, what works for you, you can start to implement in the bedroom, and it's not like, you're faking it. But you have to actually find those things by yourself. Okay, let's move on. Um, Kay's like, I'm gonna, what gives you the ick?

• 1:17:31Alex Cooper?

  Like, I'm gonna do some rapid fire, and then we're done. I know this is going so long, we need to go.

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  We could really go for six more hours.

• 1:17:38Alex Cooper?

  No, no, I know, and-

• 1:17:42Alex Cooper?

  I like that.

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:17:44Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I think that also like, is, is really, yeah, it's like, real, and it's not like, jarring. I thought you were gonna say something crazier, then I was like, oh, that's a good answer.

• 1:17:51Speaker 03

  Emma loves anal.

• 1:17:55Speaker 03

  I'm kidding!

• 1:17:56Alex Cooper?

  That's the promo of it. Okay, I'm gonna go rapid fire and then we're done.

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  I'm ready.

• 1:18:00Alex Cooper?

  What gives you the ick?

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  With guys, or in general?

• 1:18:07Alex Cooper?

  Ooh, both.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  Okay, uh, with guys, I get the ick when, just like, any kind of like, cockiness and bragging, and like, trying to like, signal that they're like, successful. To me, this is not rapid fire with me, nothing will ever be rapid fire with me, I'm so sorry. Being cocky, and honestly, when people like, just have bad taste in like, clothing and fashion.

• 1:18:31Alex Cooper?

  I feel, um, insecure around Emma right now, with my outfit, I'm like-

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  I'm not saying like, it, there's like, a certain like, but they're like, braggy about it, so like, being cocky about like, having bad taste, that's really icky to me, it makes me have the ick every time.

• 1:18:48Alex Cooper?

  Is that you?

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  That's not you. You, you're always hot.

• 1:18:53Alex Cooper?

  You always look good.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  You're not allowed to play this game.

• 1:18:55Alex Cooper?

  So anyone wondering who we're talking to, it's our mutual publicist on the right side who's been crying this entire interview.

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  And who's also so gorgeous.

• 1:19:01Alex Cooper?

  So gorgeous, so perfect.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  The hottest.

• 1:19:05Alex Cooper?

  She's a full sweat outfit on with heels.

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  Like, nobody's cooler than her.

• 1:19:09Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, they're like flared sweatpants.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  No, she genuinely is slang and nobody can tell me different.

• 1:19:13Alex Cooper?

  Anyways, um, okay. Have you ever been cheated on?

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  You know.

• 1:19:18Alex Cooper?

  Emma, you're like, it can never be sure.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  It can never be sure. Not technically, but like, I've been in situations where it was maybe not right for people to be going out and they did.

• 1:19:30Alex Cooper?

  Fair.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  You know.

• 1:19:31Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever cheated on someone?

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:19:33Alex Cooper?

  What is the longest relationship you've ever been in?

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  A year and like 10 months.

• 1:19:43Alex Cooper?

  Is that the one you're in right now?

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  I will not say.

• 1:19:47Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, fine. Better question after that. Do you own a vibrator?

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:19:52Alex Cooper?

  I have one downstairs. It's in a box.

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  I got one when I was like 17.

• 1:19:55Alex Cooper?

  That's amazing. Who got, who told you to get it? You just got it yourself?

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  It was somebody I was talking to at the time.

• 1:20:00Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Um, what is the most hurtful thing someone has done to you in a relationship?

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  I would say

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  like just like not be supportive of like things that I was doing, like simple things, like work stuff. What I decided to order on a menu, like just like being in a relationship where somebody was constantly disapproving of every little thing I was doing and like being genuinely mean about it.

• 1:20:28Alex Cooper?

  Good answer. How is the relationship you're in now different from previous experiences with partners?

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  It's

• 1:20:36Speaker 03

  I mean so many, everything about it. I mean, obviously being like best friends with

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  your significant other is the best fucking thing ever. And I don't think that that's ever been true prior. Also, like.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  Just the most like ni- like incredible, I I can't even, it's just like, it's almost like when you're in a good relationship, it's like you found somebody that's like

• 1:21:04Speaker 03

  a missing piece.

• 1:21:05Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  And like they just have all the things that you wish you had and you learn from them and they learn from you and they treat you with respect and there's a mutual respect and it's like all these things and it's like also your best friend and then it all comes together and you're like, I don't have any complaints and I don't know how that's possible.

• 1:21:23Alex Cooper?

  You know? Could you share? What do you argue about in this relationship? Not a lot.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  We don't argue.

• 1:21:34Alex Cooper?

  Can I ask you how you guys met?

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  Through the internet.

• 1:21:39Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think fans have become so invested with gaining access and insight into your dating life?

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  I think that like even for me, like as a consumer of the internet, like things are interesting when there's mystery around them and because I don't ever confirm or deny anything, that's why I think it's so interesting. It's almost like if I were to share it, it would become possibly less interesting, but the problem is that I want to protect the people that I'm dating. Or the people that I'm like even just lightly talking to or the people that I'm hooking up with, like whoever it is, at whatever given moment, like even at whatever stage it's at. I want to give them complete privacy and I don't want my life to like affect them.

• 1:22:26Alex Cooper?

  Do you, are you frustrated when you do see? Like if like, God forbid, like a paparazzi thing comes out of you, like how does that make you feel?

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  I mean, for me personally, I'm like, I don't care. Like, I mean, I, it's more like I'm concerned about how it affects them and and I don't ever want to like Lose an opportunity to like have a good connection with somebody because my lifestyle creates them stress, right?

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  And that's something I've like worried about in like relationships that I've been in that have been positive. I'm like, I just like, I'm scared that this is gonna get out because I don't want them to feel violated and like they didn't sign up for this. Like, you know what I mean? And so that's why I keep it private. But also if things come out or things are speculated about, most of the time, people that I've been with or people that I haven't been with, where it's been speculation and they're like, this is silly, right? But I just decided to talk about none of it. Cause I'm like, if it's true or it's not, it doesn't fucking matter. Cause if I chime in about stuff when it's not true, then that means everything I don't chime in about.

• 1:23:26Alex Cooper?

  Smart.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  I just leave it all to the imagination and honestly, it's kind of fun to see, it's kind of fun to see like what people assume. So, yeah.

• 1:23:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wrapping up.

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:37Alex Cooper?

  In thirty, forty years, what do you hope people say about Emma Chamberlain?

• 1:23:44Speaker 03

  I would hope that people would say that in one way or another, like something that I said, something that I shared, made them feel inspired or made them feel comforted in some way. Like, that's my main goal is I want people to feel comfortable and heard by listening to me, but also kind of like safe in a way too.

• 1:24:13Alex Cooper?

  Emma Chamberlain.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  Thank you for coming on.

• 1:24:15Alex Cooper?

  Alex Coopie! We did it! We finally, dude, it's been a long time coming. I'm sweating.

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 1:24:21Alex Cooper?

  I am dehydrated, my legs are cramping.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  We're a mess.

• 1:24:25Alex Cooper?

  You look great.

• 1:24:25Speaker 03

  I'm literally, well, I mean, that was, this has just opened up a whole new chapter for me.

• 1:24:30Alex Cooper?

  That was two hours and forty-two minutes, this is gonna be another two-part series.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  I ca- we, we needed this though. I could've kept going too.

• 1:24:36Alex Cooper?

  I do feel, yeah, it was like therapeutic.

• 1:24:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, we need.

• 1:24:38Alex Cooper?

  Great work.

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  Thank you, Alex. Thank you for having me.

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