Hosting Thanksgiving With Amy Sedaris (Reheat)

Amy Sedaris offers advice on dealing with family members who are drunk or confrontational at the holidays. Plus, Robert Krulwich (formerly of Radiolab) on the time a turkey fell in love with his wife.

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• 0:00Dan Pashman?

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• 1:15Dan Pashman?

  Hey, everyone, Dan here, and of course, you know that Thanksgiving is on the way. Probably the preeminent, nationally celebrated food holiday, I think. And of course, we have covered it here on this Sporkful, although a number of years ago, we did a thing we called the last Sporkful Thanksgiving special ever, because we'd already done a bunch of stuff on Thanksgiving, and I kind of feel like food media, they're pressuring you to like, "Oh, you guys knew every Thanksgiving," and like, "Why?" Especially when there's already so much good stuff out there about Thanksgiving, like the episode I'm about to share with you. This was recorded in front of a live audience with two incredibly hilarious and special guests: one, Robert Krulwich, who you know from Radiolab. He told me about his approach to holiday eating and the story of a time that a turkey

• 1:59Dan Pashman?

  fell in love with his wife. You gotta hear it, it makes sense, trust me. And then the legend, Amy Sedaris, one of the funniest people ever to grace this planet. She will take the stage to answer- Questions about entertaining, you know, she wrote a whole book about it, including what she likes her guests to bring her when she's hosting. Remember, if there's an episode of The Sporkful you want us to pull out of the deep freezer and reheat, drop me a line and send me an email or a voice memo to [email protected]. Tell me your name, location, what episode you want to hear, and why. Thanks so much, and happy Thanksgiving. This is The Sporkful. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman, and we're coming to you live from WNYC's Jerome L. Green Performance Space in New York City.

• 2:59Dan Pashman?

  That was great. Did we press record? We're recording for that? All right, great. Well, thank you all so much for coming where you're here tonight celebrating the release of the first ever Sporkful book, my first ever book. It's called Eat More Better: How to Make Every Bite More Delicious. Thank you all so much for coming here tonight, and let's go ahead and start the show. Joining me now is a gentleman who I have respected and admired for many, many years. I've had the privilege to work with him on multiple occasions, and I'm so excited to be able to work with him here at WNYC and walk by his desk and ask him strange questions. He is the co-host of WNYC's Radio Lab. Please welcome Robert Krulwich.

• 3:40Dan Pashman?

  So I want to talk a bit with you about Thanksgiving.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:44Dan Pashman?

  And the holidays, Thanksgiving in particular, Thanksgiving eating.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:47Dan Pashman?

  Okay. We should also just set up here at the top, your approach to eating.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  I eat very fast. I don't notice what's going down, and I have, the whole thing is just pretty much a rush job. And why I am here, I have no idea.

• 4:05Dan Pashman?

  I was gonna say, I mean, it really is a testament to your winning personality.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:09Dan Pashman?

  That I continue to invite you back.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  It's very amazing to me, yes. Because as little as I recall of anything, food is the thing I least recall because it happens so fast.

• 4:20Dan Pashman?

  Do you have a favorite bite? Is there a Thanksgiving dinner? What are you looking forward to eating the most?

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Well.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Everything and all at once is my general feeling. So I will put onto the plate everything that is available to me. And I have one very small moment of celebration of the whole. You might call it the holistic moment. I see the red stuff, the brown stuff, the green stuff, all there.

• 4:48Dan Pashman?

  Well, slow down with all your culinary terminology here, Robert.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  And then I eat whatever is most available at the shortest distance between... And then, and it goes from there.

• 4:59Dan Pashman?

  Do you actually have to rotate the plate to bring things closer? So that you can't reach across to the other, the far end of the plate?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  It is very nice. Like, this is one of the things. Like, my wife actually is a person who appreciates food. So she takes us to meet to these restaurants where they serve an enormously large plate with something small and delicate in the middle. So it's mostly a field of white. And I look at these things and I think, I am a golden retriever, really. And all I really want to do is take my tongue, go

• 5:27Speaker 01

  to the whole thing. But the meal will largely consist of me trying not to eat anything too fast. Because she's watching me like, oh, because for the 45 minutes before, she's fed me. She's, now, don't eat fast, and don't embarrass me, and don't eat heavily. And there must be something on your plate. As long as Ellen is still eating, there has to be something on your plate. Watch Ellen's plate and be, let her be your guide. And I am having not a normal evening at all.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  It's very difficult for me to go out to those kind of places. So, yeah, Thanksgiving meal is solves that problem. I know that there's a lot there, and I can have it all.

• 6:06Dan Pashman?

  I want to get deep with you for a minute.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:08Dan Pashman?

  Because I know that on Radiolab, you guys get pretty existential.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:12Dan Pashman?

  You talk about big issues.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Very wise.

• 6:14Dan Pashman?

  One of the big issues that people ask me a lot about, that I've never really addressed much on this workful, but I think it's such a crucial question, is at what point in a meal should you take the best bite? Like, the plate is arrayed before you, and, I mean, if it's Thanksgiving, you know, let's say you see the perfect piece of turkey with just the right amount of crispy fat and just the right amount of juicy meat and the potatoes and the stuffing, they're all just right. You know, you see that bite. Do you want to take that bite right away? Do you save it for the end, end on a high note? Or somewhere in the middle?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  You cannot tell what your best bite will be. Dan?

• 7:00Dan Pashman?

  That's good. That's a good answer.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  And here's why.

• 7:02Dan Pashman?

  Please tell me.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Because the reason it's the best bite is because you may look at, say, the crispy turkey part that appears to be something coming your way, which gets a 10 in your mind, or the mashed potatoes, or the crabs, or whatever it is. And you will say, "There it is. There is the thing I like." And then, by the by, a string bean that you did not anticipate will come, in my case, flying into your mouth. And that string bean will be an enormous surprise to you. And that surprise turns into the best bite. That is, you can never know the best bite. It is a shock and awe moment.

• 7:47Dan Pashman?

  Well, that's, yeah.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  And everybody knows this.

• 7:51Dan Pashman?

  Yeah. That's such a great answer, and it's really in keeping with your approach to life, Robert. Because asking, "At what point in the meal do you want to have your best bite?" It's kind of like asking, like, "At what point in your life?" Like, a meal is like a miniature lifetime. It's like, "At what point in your life do you want to have your best day?"

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Right. You can't know that. Right, exactly. You've learned my lesson.

• 8:19Dan Pashman?

  It's funny, because I usually go for somewhere in the middle of the meal. Because I feel like... People who say save it to the end, I disagree with. Because your appetite is primed, your palate is primed. There is such a thing as palate fatigue. So, you're not going to get as much enjoyment from the best bite if you save it for the end. But to have your very first bite be the best bite, it's sort of like, you know, what do you have to look forward to after that?

• 8:42Speaker 01

  That's right, yes. There's a sexual equivalent of that, you know? You get into bed, boom! And then, you need to wait a little longer.

• 8:50Dan Pashman?

  Right. I think that's right. I think that's right. But you can't always plan it.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  You can't plan it. The girls don't always know this. You just can't plan it.

• 9:02Dan Pashman?

  Let's talk turkey in general.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  The nation or the animal?

• 9:06Dan Pashman?

  The animal.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  The animal.

• 9:07Dan Pashman?

  I mean, are you a... Are you a fan of turkeys?

• 9:11Speaker 01

  I love turkey. I love turkey more than any other meat.

• 9:15Dan Pashman?

  Really?

• 9:15Speaker 01

  I wouldn't have said that 10 years ago. I would have preferred a cow part.

• 9:18Dan Pashman?

  What changed?

• 9:19Speaker 01

  I don't know. Maturity, I don't know. Maybe the turkeys got better. I don't know. I don't know.

• 9:26Dan Pashman?

  And you had told me you also had an encounter, you started telling me a while back with a...

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:31Dan Pashman?

  Tell me about that again.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  This has... This shouldn't really... We... I live... I have a house on Shelter Island, which is about 100 miles east of here. And I have a neighbor behind my house, who's the... He actually is the concrete king of Shelter Island. He's... And he has an enormous house, and he has a bowling alley in it or something. But he also has a obsession with animal collecting. And he has small miniature cattle. And he also has recently been raising extraordinary turkeys. And one of them has somehow strayed from the reservation, and he's come through the woods, and he comes to my house. And he's a turkey, he's a wild turkey. I know he's from the Larsen's house. I say, "Hello, turkey." He's like, "Not the smartest animal." And he fell in love with my wife.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  I mean, I... This is a weird... He, uh... He looked at her, and then, uh... And just decided to get very close to her.

• 10:24Dan Pashman?

  Wait, looked at her like you were inside or outside, or where were you?

• 10:27Speaker 01

  I was... At first, he was in the backyard. We don't have a backyard, we have like a meadow. He came through the meadow, and he just sat there, and then he looked at her.

• 10:34Dan Pashman?

  Through the window?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  No, she was out in the... We were... And he kind of came really unusually close to her, I thought. So I got a tennis racket. But I didn't do anything about it. I just... And then he just hung with her wherever she went. When she would go inside, he'd wait patiently by there. And then, the next morning, at about 5:30, he had... He was there again. And the next morning, so for some strange reason, I became jealous of this animal.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  So I would go out with my tennis racket and go "wack", and then tell him that he couldn't like her so much. And I said, "Oh, he's a turkey. Must have turkey friends." "I mean, you have all those other turkeys." And in Shelter Island also, they have a thing now where they... A lot of people just have turkeys and they just kind of go around like like loose pedestrians or Swiss tourists or something. They're just always around. But this turkey is just huge. And I became increasingly upset. I finally called the larson and said, "There is a turkey that is making moves on my wife." "You have to get that turkey back."

• 11:37Dan Pashman?

  And what did your wife, what was her take on all this?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  She was a little bit charmed to be ignored by this larson. "This will make this Thanksgiving extra special, I feel."

• 11:50Dan Pashman?

  Let's talk a bit about leftovers.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:54Dan Pashman?

  Do you have a specific strategy for leftovers? I mean, what do you... How do you like to eat your leftovers?

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Always, whenever, anytime. On Thanksgiving, after Thanksgiving, the next morning, the next afternoon, the next evening, friends' houses, small gatherings, post gatherings, later gatherings, later in the week.

• 12:13Dan Pashman?

  But how do you do... After a few days of Thanksgiving, it's like two things you're tired of, right? You're tired of... Or some people may be, you're not. Tired of your own Thanksgiving food, and you may be a little tired of hanging out with your family. So I recommend what I call a leftovers exchange party.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:31Dan Pashman?

  Invite over friends, they bring all their leftovers, you put them all on the table, everyone eats everyone's leftovers, you get rid of your leftovers, and you get to try different foods, and you learn new recipes for next year.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  We do this. We do that. We've done this like for four years. We go...

• 12:43Dan Pashman?

  Well, oh, you mean you've already read my book?

• 12:45Speaker 01

  No. This may shock you. Having not even read the book, this was invented before you were born. I mean, I don't know. There are people, at least on the Upper West Side, who do this very thing. They invite you over, usually with their kids, so then your kids and their kids, they all know each other, and then you go sit there and you... In my case, I just eat everything. I don't speak at all.

• 13:11Dan Pashman?

  All right, well, Robert Krulwich is the co-host of WNYC's Radio Lab. Robert, it's always a pleasure to hang out and speak with you. Big hand for Robert Krulwich.

• 13:32Dan Pashman?

  Coming up, the Sporkful Live Holiday Show continues with the one and only Amy Sedaris. She wrote a whole book on entertaining. She'll offer advice on how to deal with drunk guests, people's pets, and difficult family. Plus, Amy and I will debate which kind of paper towels are better, the ones that offer the half-size option, or the ones that are only full-size. Clearly, we're tackling the big issues here on this Sporkful. Stay with us.

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• 17:49Dan Pashman?

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• 18:15Dan Pashman?

  Let's get back to The Sporkful Live Holiday Show. It's time for Amy Sedaris. Joining me now is a woman whose work I've admired for a very long time. I'm a huge fan of hers currently. She's starring in the Netflix animated series BoJack Horseman. She's also the author of I Like You: Hospitality Under the Influence. Please welcome the one and only Amy Sedaris.

• 18:42Dan Pashman?

  So let's talk hosting around the holidays. I've identified I've identified two types of hosts.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 18:51Dan Pashman?

  Missionaries and martyrs.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Okay, missionaries and martyrs, alright.

• 18:56Dan Pashman?

  A missionary is like someone who leads by example.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 18:59Dan Pashman?

  Like, I'm hosting this party, I'm having a great time. Like, that's why I brought a beer out with me tonight.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 19:04Dan Pashman?

  You know, drink up, party.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Drinking kills feelings, go on.

• 19:11Dan Pashman?

  Martyrs are the people who are like, you know, I'm focusing on making everyone else happy. And I get my happiness from knowing that other people are happy, even if I don't even get to sit down. Or I don't even get to eat. But if everyone else is having fun, I'll be happy.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 19:24Dan Pashman?

  I aspire to be a missionary, but sometimes I end up being a martyr. When you host in your home, which do you want to be and which are you?

• 19:34Speaker 04

  I think I'm both. I'm really organized enough where I can sit back and have a good time. But I'm also, you know, because I've planned. If you plan, then you can be both, you know what I mean? It's important for your guests to have a good time, and you want to be in charge, and you want to make sure that that beer is fresh, you know, when it's empty or whatever. But, so, I think if you plan enough, you can be both. You can have a good time and still, you know, be that martyr.

• 19:57Dan Pashman?

  What are some of the things that you like for people to bring you if they're guests that come into your house?

• 20:02Speaker 04

  Weed.

• 20:05Speaker 04

  I answer that too quickly.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  I just don't, I don't always like them to surprise me with something to serve. Because if you've planned the menu out, like, one time I was having this big traditional Greek dinner and someone showed up with their grandparents and a chocolate cake and, and that was a double whammy.

• 20:25Dan Pashman?

  So like, when someone says, "Oh, Amy, I can't wait to come to your house, what can I bring?"

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:30Dan Pashman?

  What do you say?

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Sometimes, it depends who it is. Sometimes I'm like, "Ice," you know, if they really want to, or I'm like, you know, "Beer," or, you know, something like, I know it's not, you know, maybe it's too heavy for me to bring up, like charcoal birdseed or kitty litter, but,

• 20:45Speaker 04

  I'll get them to bring things like that. Or, I'm always like, "Forks, bring forks," or "Sharp knives," like, "Could you really use some sharp knives?" Or, "Bring your own container, because I know you're gonna wanna take some food home," you know? So, you know, little things like that, but very seldom do I really, or ice cream. You know, you give them the easy stuff.

• 21:01Dan Pashman?

  Right. You also have a book called, "Simple Times Crafts for Poor People." I wanna get your help here.

• 21:09Dan Pashman?

  Now, cloth napkins are something that, you know, certainly classes up any event.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Class.

• 21:16Dan Pashman?

  But if you, if you can't afford cloth napkins, or if you're just too lazy, like my wife and I were last year at Thanksgiving, you may just go with paper. Do you have any tricks? I have some paper towels here.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 21:28Dan Pashman?

  I know you love a demonstration. Do you have any tricks that you can show me for ways to fold?

• 21:32Speaker 04

  First of all, I hate these, select a size.

• 21:34Dan Pashman?

  The half-size paper towel?

• 21:35Speaker 04

  And they're getting harder and harder to find, the ones that don't have this.

• 21:38Dan Pashman?

  Why do you hate them? They're more practical.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Ugh, what are you gonna do with that? No, I'm sorry, I don't like it at all.

• 21:44Dan Pashman?

  You can always take two half-size paper towels and end it with a regular-size paper towel, but you can not take a full-size paper towel and make it into a half.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  Oh, God, and to think that you have to think about that with all the other problems going on. Just make it easy. I mean, are you saying, "This is my dinner napkin, what would I do?"

• 21:59Dan Pashman?

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  That.

• 22:02Dan Pashman?

  Fold it in half.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  I don't do anything fancy. Like, I'm fine with using paper towels and napkins, and I like cloth napkins too, but yeah, it is a drag to, you know, you have to wash them. You know, you have to, you know, so that's probably paying the butt.

• 22:15Dan Pashman?

  So I put the call out on Facebook and asked people for questions about hosting for you. Karen writes, "How do I keep drunk guests from quote-unquote 'helping with cleanup?' My sisters-in-law have broken more wine goblets with their hams for hands than I even care to count."

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Oh, it's such a problem.

• 22:34Dan Pashman?

  Yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  It is such a problem to get people out of your house. Well, my favorite thing to do is to clean up. I know people have a hard time believing that, but then you can reminisce about the party, you can talk about the disasters or whatever. You know, usually if they're drunk, they've been told before, "You need to go home now." You know what I mean?

• 22:50Dan Pashman?

  Right. But they're relatives, that makes it harder to kick them out.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  "You need to go home now." I think it's easier if they're a relative, don't you? Dad, Mom, you know, I think it's, you know, easier.

• 23:05Dan Pashman?

  Jeff Childs writes, "One year, my wife's aunt, who had volunteered to bring the turkey, called 30 minutes after dinner was supposed to start to say she was just leaving and would be at our house in about an hour. She said she would finish cooking the turkey when she got to our house."

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Fantastic. I love that. That is hilarious.

• 23:24Dan Pashman?

  "Should we have eaten without her and without the turkey?"

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Well, why do they put her in charge of the turkey? Maybe is this a pattern of hers? Is she always late? That's happened to me before. Like, people are coming at 5:00 and the girl just arrived with the turkey, uncooked, and didn't even apologize. And then I thought, "Oh, well, that's stupid. I should have done that."

• 23:43Dan Pashman?

  Well, this is one of the things you talk about in your book, is that people need to know their limitations. Like, if you're chronically late and disorganized, don't volunteer to bring the turkey to Thanksgiving.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:53Dan Pashman?

  But it's also a food safety hazard, because now you've got a half-cooked turkey coming to room temperature in the backseat of a car.

• 24:02Speaker 04

  Oh, that's so stupid. That is so stupid.

• 24:05Dan Pashman?

  Right?

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I think I would have panicked and I would have maybe gone to some kind of a grocery store that makes roasted chickens or roasted turkeys, and I think I would have just gotten it. And then I would say, "Mom, Grandma, whatever, you stupid lady, we're still gonna make your turkey, but we're gonna make it for tomorrow for leftovers. It's just too late right now." I think that's what I would do.

• 24:25Dan Pashman?

  On Facebook, Linda Pashman writes...

• 24:29Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, okay.

• 24:31Dan Pashman?

  Mom, writing on my Facebook page again, how do you handle dinner guests who arrive with their pets? I know you're an animal lover.

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:40Dan Pashman?

  But if someone comes with a pet that they didn't tell you about,

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 24:42Dan Pashman?

  How do you respond to that?

• 24:43Speaker 04

  Well, usually, if I know they have a pet, I'll make a point to say, "Don't bring your dog." And then they bring the dog, and then they pick the most expensive bowl you have in your kitchen, and they put it down for water in a spot that everyone's gonna be walking by. It always happens, doesn't it? Plus, they have a rabbit, and I'm like, "Your dog, we don't know if they're gonna get along." And then that means I have to lock my bedroom up, and there goes the airflow. I mean, people have no idea.

• 25:06Dan Pashman?

  Yeah. Airflow is crucial. I gotta have you back on to talk about that in more detail.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  Let's talk about airflow.

• 25:11Dan Pashman?

  What do you...

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Or kittens with claws. I don't think so. I don't think so.

• 25:17Dan Pashman?

  Another question on Facebook from Linda Pashman.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  The Pashman family.

• 25:24Dan Pashman?

  Yeah. What about the guest who's the perennial provocateur, usually a relative? How do you ward off the... How do you ward off the expected annual family conflict? And a related question, what do you do when your mom handles family conflict by asking you questions through your podcast Facebook page?

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Uh-oh.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  That's pretty good.

• 25:53Dan Pashman?

  Any tips, Amy, for dealing with family at the holidays?

• 25:56Speaker 04

  Well, my family, we all get along, and whenever there's a... If there is a fight or a conflict or whatever, we all just get excited. And we're a fantastic audience for it, you know what I mean? I think I'd be happy to have a fight. I think it's just like, it's entertaining and it's fun. I love to hear people arguing or complaining. I mean, that's when I worked as a waitress forever, and I loved it when someone would get up in my face and complain about something.

• 26:19Dan Pashman?

  And how would you deal with it?

• 26:20Speaker 04

  I would just take... I would just be staring at them, taking it all in. You know, it all depends. Maybe it's something I could handle, maybe they have to see a manager. I mean, I wouldn't respond by yelling back at them or getting mad, you know? I would just be like, "I can't believe you're so angry about this," you know? But when it's family, you just eat it up, and then you divide up, and you go into the bedroom, you talk to somebody about it, and then you go... You're two-faced about it the whole night. You play both sides. It's great. That's right. Take this, swallow that, you'll be fine.

• 26:52Dan Pashman?

  And then another thing that I want to get your take on is how do you know when the party is over?

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Turn the music off and the lights off, I guess. I'm pretty good about it. You can kind of tell, no? People start to leave and winding it down. I don't know. I'm just pretty... It's something you just kind of sense. Unless you want to put a time, you know, like for kids' parties, you say 2 to 2:30, done. You know what I mean? You kind of know. You know when to go or be like, you know, party's over at midnight, I have to work at tomorrow morning or something like that.

• 27:25Dan Pashman?

  Final question for you, Amy. I want you to talk now to a person who's hosting for Thanksgiving, who's maybe a little nervous or they're insecure, they don't, for whatever reason, they're worried that they can't pull it off. I want you to talk directly to that person and I want you to give them some advice, give them a pep talk.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  Okay, let's see. Gosh, I don't know. Just, just, do they cook at all, this person? Do they, are they, can they, they do?

• 27:53Dan Pashman?

  Some cooking expertise.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Just make it easy on yourself. You'd only need three things on your plate, really. You know what I mean? So, just don't, don't, just look at, don't just go crazy. If you have a good, some friends that cook, you might want to assign some dishes to make it easy on yourself. Like, great, can you bring the mashed potatoes? Can you do this? Teach me how to make the gravy or something like that. Boom, you got it. It's easy.

• 28:15Dan Pashman?

  Well, Amy Sedaris, I'm so glad that you could be here. I really appreciate it. Check her out in Bojack Horseman. Her lines at Fish's Eddie. The book is I Like You: Hospitality Under the Influence. Big hand, ladies and gentlemen, for Amy Sedaris.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 28:30Dan Pashman?

  This show is a production of WNYC and the Spork Bowl. It's produced by Kristen Meinzner and Ann Sandy. We get web help from Talia Ralph and Alay Trong. Special thanks to Chris Bannon and special thanks to the folks at the Green Space, Jennifer Sendro, Nancy Sechow, Ricardo Fernandez and everyone else, and to all of you for coming out tonight. Until next time, I'm Dan Pashman reminding you to eat more, eat better and eat more better. Thank you.

• 29:21Dan Pashman?

  This reheat was produced by Gianna Palmer. The team that produces The Sporkful today includes me along with managing producer Emma Morgenstern. And senior producer Andres O'Hara. Our engineer is Jared O'Connell. Music help from Black Label Music. The Sporkful is a production of SiriusXM Podcasts. Our executive producer is Camila Stanley. And hey, did you know you can listen to The Sporkful on the SiriusXM app? Yes, the SiriusXM app has all your favorite podcasts, plus over 200 ad-free music channels curated by genre and era, plus live sports coverage. Does your podcasting app have that? And there's interviews with A-list stars and so much more. It's everything you want in a podcast app and music app all rolled into one. And right now, Sporkful listeners can get three months free of the SiriusXM app by going to siriusxm.com/sporkful.

• 30:06Dan Pashman?

  Until next time, I'm Dan Pashman.

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