Darin Olien is Down to Earth

Hot on the heels of Down To Earth -- the #1 hit Netflix series in which he co-stars alongside Zac Efron -- today my superfood hunting, brother-from-another-mother Darin Olien returns for his 4th appearance on the podcast to blow minds and drop wisdom on all things nutrition, hydration, ecological preservation, longevity, and living a high-vibration life. One of my most popular guests to date, Darin’s biography reads like a Hemingway adventure novel. Devoted to advancing human health, ecological preservation and sustainability, he's spent the better part of the last 20 years embedded in remote farming communities across the Himalayas, South Pacific, Latin America and Asia, scavenging for the most nutritionally potent plants, nuts, and seeds on the planet. His most recent obsession is Barùkas (aka the baru nut) -- an incredibly nutrient-rich superfood known to the indigenous tribes of the Brazilian Cerrado for millennia, yet virtually unheard of anywhere else. This discovery led to Darin to an epiphany: he could help preserve the Cerrado (which is a tropical savanna ecoregion three times the size of Texas) by employing its indigenous communities to harvest the native baru and importing them to North America. A win-win to preserve precious environmental resources, support indigenous communities, and simultaneously introduce North America to the healthiest nut on the planet. Everything Darin has learned over the decades is laid bare on the pages of Superlife, his New York Times bestselling primer on all things health and well-being. His 121Tribe.com app will put you on a 21-day lifestyle-changing diet and exercise program. And his recently launched podcast, The Darin Olien Show, is already killing the game. Down To Earth introduced to a broad, mainstream audience what I've always known about this incredible human: A man who truly walks his talk, Darin is the real deal. Picking up where we left off two years ago in RRP 382, Darin and I discuss all things Down To Earth. The show's origins. What it was like collaborating with a global superstar. May this conversation leave you understanding why Darin is the first person I turn to for advice not just on nutrition and fitness -- but on all manner of subjects related to living my best authentic life. For those new to me and Big D, we’ve logged about 6 hours of extraordinary back catalog conversation over the years. I highly suggest you visit those archived episodes, which you can find here: RRP 382, RRP 268, and RRP 153. The visually inclined can watch our exchange on YouTube. And as always, the podcast streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It is with pride, love and gratitude that I share the wisdom of my friend and mentor with you today. Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 1:05Darin Olien?

  I think more clear than ever, people need to be healthy. They need to stop distracting themselves and eat more plants and figure out a program that's gonna work and get healthy. Because we need strong, healthy, happy people, non-judgmentally kicking ass in their life. And I really believe that's the purpose of health, so that you can kick ass in your life and have the fulfilling life you want, so you're not miserable with a chemistry set that isn't working. And it really comes down to two very simple things. I care about the health of people. I believe a healthy person has more choices and can really kick ass in their life and

• 1:49Darin Olien?

  not have to drag around this body and be kind of this victim of a body that's failing. So I believe in health of the individual, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually. And I believe in the intimate connection and the health of the planet.

• 2:05Rich Roll?

  That's superfood hunter Darren O'Leary, and this is episode 542 of the Rich Roll Podcast.

• 2:22Rich Roll?

  The Rich Roll Podcast. Greetings wanderers, seekers, learners, listeners. This is a podcast, The Rich Roll Podcast. I'm your host. It's time to strap in because today, today, my friends, my superfood hunting brother from another mother, Darren Olien, hot on the heels of his number one hit Netflix show, Down to Earth, in which he co-stars alongside Zac Efron, returns for his fourth appearance on the show. He's going to blow minds, he's going to drop wisdom on all things nutrition, hydration,

• 3:00Rich Roll?

  ecological preservation, longevity, and many other topics, including, of course, superfoods. OG listeners will well remember Darren, but for those of you who are new Big D fans, maybe you came here because of seeing Darren on the show, you're here for the first time. Together Darren and I have logged about six hours of extraordinary back catalog conversation over the years, and you can find those conversations in Episodes 382, 268, and 153 in my archive at richroll.com. He is by far one of my most popular guests to date, and Darren's biography kind of reads

• 3:45Rich Roll?

  more like an adventure novel than a resume. This is a guy who spent the better part of the last couple decades scavenging the earth for the most nutritionally potent plants, nuts, and seeds on the planet. He's communed with thousands of rural farmers, growers, and manufacturers in remote communities across the Himalayas, the South Pacific, Latin America, Asia, shepherding exotic, high-quality, fair-trade superfoods and indigenous herbal commodities to market. His latest infatuation is Barucas, or the Baru Nut, which is this incredibly nutrient-rich, delicious, but kind of essentially virtually unheard of, superfood harvested sustainably

• 4:30Rich Roll?

  in partnership with the indigenous tribes of the Brazilian Serato.

• 4:36Rich Roll?

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• 5:21Rich Roll?

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• 5:53Rich Roll?

  Okay, Darren. In addition to being one of my closest best friends, Darren is legit the real deal. He's somebody that I turn to. Basically, every single week, we talk and he gives me unbelievable guidance, not on simply things like nutrition, fitness, hydration and sustainability, but also for just good, solid life advice. This guy is wise. He's grounded. He's incredibly personable and giving. He's spiritually aware and just... Bottom line, one of my favorite people.

• 6:34Rich Roll?

  And I think that's just about all I want to say in preface to today's conversation. To learn more about Darren, and you're going to want to learn more about him after listening to this, check out his book, Superlife, which just hit the New York Times Bestseller list for the very first time, despite coming out over three and a half, almost four years ago, due in no small part to the smash success of his show Down to Earth, which you can dial up on Netflix. Darren also recently launched a podcast himself, The Darren O'Leary Show. He's already killing the game. And he's got a new app called 121 Tribe, 121tribe.com, where he liberally shares all his copious wisdom. Okay, enough.

• 7:16Rich Roll?

  This is me and the force of nature known as Darren O'Leary.

• 7:25Rich Roll?

  So a lot's happened since the last time that we did this. Dude. Your life has exploded. It's incredible. Yeah, amongst the other craziness, it's, it's, it is incredible. Yeah. First of all, congrats. It's all very well earned. I'm super proud of you. And it's been such a delight to see America or the world kind of embrace what I've already known for so long and things that you've been talking about and living like your entire life. It's gone massively broad. I would imagine there's a little bit of vertigo with all of that. I mean, the number one show on Netflix is crazy. Yeah.

• 8:06Rich Roll?

  It's, it's hard to have a relationship with that. I think that it's almost, if I can describe the experience, it's almost like, oh, cool. That's cool. Like, and yet you're seeing the numbers rise, you're seeing the followers rise and, and you're like, and then the book, New York Times bestseller, and the podcast, and then, and then the show. And I think that it feels like a responsibility in a good way. Rather than...

• 8:41Darin Olien?

  Look at me. Like, it really feels like-

• 8:45Rich Roll?

  Well, now you have the platform to speak more broadly and potently about the things that you care about and have always cared about. And just to recap, for people that are perhaps new to you, last time we talked, it was on the eve of Baruchas launching to the world. And since that moment, which was, I don't even know when it was, a couple of years ago, I think at this point, maybe a year and a half ago, you have co-hosted this show Down to Earth with Zac Efron. It went to number one on Netflix. Your book, Super Life, just hit the New York Times Bestseller list. You launched a podcast. It went to number one in the health and fitness category on iTunes. And your Instagram, I think, what did you have, like 70,000 or something like that before all of this?

• 9:27Darin Olien?

  Like, mid 30s.

• 9:29Rich Roll?

  Oh, mid 30s. And now you're at like 400. That is the power of Netflix. It's unbelievable.

• 9:38Darin Olien?

  Yeah, you know, the funny thing is, our friend Neil Strauss said, there was another show that came out similarly, and a different show completely, but they were doing really well. But the guy didn't receive a lot of followers. And the only thing that I can attest to this is, and we can unpack a lot of this stuff as to the culmination of the show, and how my idea of the intensity of the information made its way through the production and through the understanding of the audience that I don't have. But what

• 10:22Darin Olien?

  I see is that through the levity, through the lightness of how we delivered the show with some information, clearly, it somehow reached across the aisle.

• 10:36Darin Olien?

  Of other people that don't necessarily live this way, don't necessarily have the same amount of awareness about how they are sitting in the world as it relates to their own health and the health of the planet. So, so it's, it's such a beautiful thing to see regular people that, that I am, that you are. There were no different, but that they are tagline message, thousands of them this way saying, "My life is different. I am never the same.

• 11:19Darin Olien?

  I'm gonna do something better with my life." Over and over and over and over again, from a nine-year-old to a 70-year-old.

• 11:29Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 11:31Darin Olien?

  That rich is worth everything.

• 11:34Rich Roll?

  Yeah. It's a beautiful exercise in humility as well, right? Like, we talk every week. So I've been with you from the outset of this whole experience. And I know very well that had you had your druthers, this would have been a much more serious, intense, deep dive and issue-based and policy-based. And you had sort of grumbled along the way, like, "I don't know if this is gonna work. Like, I want it to be like this. It looks like it's going in this direction." And yet, to see it so well-received on the broadest level is a lesson, right? In that, A, like, I don't know everything. B, these producers understood something that I didn't. Because if I'd had my way,

• 12:18Rich Roll?

  maybe it wouldn't have connected in this way, right?

• 12:21Darin Olien?

  Hundred percent. Like, you're spot on with the struggle. Because I did, you know, you know, the beautiful thing is we can get into the origin story of how this even came about.

• 12:32Rich Roll?

  Oh, I love the origin story.

• 12:34Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 12:34Rich Roll?

  Tell the origin story.

• 12:36Darin Olien?

  Well, people. People, talking to you, like, like this, come on. This is the origin story, right here, right now. You know, the, the, the podcast that we did, I don't think it was the first one, probably the second one, it was the second one.

• 12:53Rich Roll?

  Probably, yeah.

• 12:56Darin Olien?

  It came by way of the show, so we did that show. Something about how I, what I said, who I was, I don't know.

• 13:08Darin Olien?

  But Zach heard it. And he was like, what is this guy doing? I want to know about this person. What is, what is he up to? And so he reached out to your buddy, who's now my buddy as well, Connor Dwyer, the Olympian badass swimmer, that you guys are mutual friends with. So Zach is friends with Connor, you're friends with Connor, so Zach reached out to Connor to get my number, to see if it was okay that you give Zach my number.

• 13:41Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 13:41Darin Olien?

  Because Zach was interested.

• 13:43Rich Roll?

  Who I still haven't met, by the way.

• 13:45Darin Olien?

  I know, that's, that's, that's funny.

• 13:48Rich Roll?

  And, and kind of how it crystallized, well, one of the aspects of it, and I told this on the podcast recently, so forgive me if you've already heard it, but I went out riding with Connor and Zach's brother Dylan, along with Simon Garrance, who's like this incredible Tour de France rider who was visiting from overseas at the time. And after our ride, I'm like, come on, let's go over to Darren's house. And I, I took those guys over to your house, pre-burning down, and we're going to get into all of that. And you showed them your whole setup, and they were like, Zach would just kill to be here and all of that. So I think that trickled back to him as well.

• 14:24Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 14:25Rich Roll?

  And set in motion what would become this incredible TV show that you guys have done together.

• 14:30Darin Olien?

  Yeah, so when Zach finally, it was months later, I'd forgotten, right? So you said, yeah.

• 14:36Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it didn't happen quickly.

• 14:37Darin Olien?

  No, so you said, apparently Zach Efron wants to reach out to you. Is it okay that I give Connor the number to give to Zach? And I was like, sure, you know, whatever, that's fine. And so I forgot about it. And then. I remember the moment where I got this cold, when I mean cold, like I didn't know the number, text and it was like, hey Darren, this is Zac Efron. I really enjoyed, I heard the podcast. I really connect with what you're doing, like a very sweet. And I ran it by my, you know, Eliza, my then wife. And she was like, wow, that sounds really

• 15:17Darin Olien?

  genuine. Cool. So I was like, dude, let's have lunch then. And so we ate at this great vegan restaurant, Golden Mean. And we sat upstairs away from everybody and sat there for a minimum of two hours. And he was largely just asking about what I was up to.

• 15:34Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 15:35Darin Olien?

  And then it was kind of at the very end where we walked out, he says, so what else are you doing? I said, well, you know, for 10 years, people have been asking me to do this superfood hunting show, but I really wanted to broaden it because superfood hunting has woken me up to environmental issues because I've seen a lot and I've connected to a lot of people. So I want to do the show, longevity, principles, health, food systems, agriculture, water, like, I want to get, and he was like, wait a minute. So you travel, you go to all these places? I'm like, yeah, of course. So he got so fired up. And then we kind of said bye, let's stay in touch. Then he called me two hours later. He basically

• 16:18Darin Olien?

  said, you know, I have this existing deal with Netflix in a topic that I just am not that excited about. It was travel. It was with other celebrities eating in countries of origin that these celebrities were connected to.

• 16:35Rich Roll?

  Like feeding Phil or that Phil Rosenthal show.

• 16:38Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So it was like going to those countries, eating that authentic food and a couple of celebrities hanging out. And they shot the pilot. No one was really, from what I hear, no one was really that jazzed about it, nor was Zac. So he asked his team and the production, could we kind of bring these concepts together and basically do what Darren was suggesting? And I'll be damned. Like he walked that in. Everyone kind of.

• 17:13Darin Olien?

  I'm putting words on it reluctantly, but I think they trusted something. And then over time, I got into pre-production and we spent a lot of time ironing out, you know, the show and the production team was jazzed because they're like, oh, wow, meaningful, powerful content.

• 17:33Rich Roll?

  Well, typically in a situation like this, the producers would be shouldering the burden of trying to find the locations and who are the people we're going to meet with and what are the themes we're going to explore. But you brought this lifetime of experience and relationships to this. I suspect, and I want to hear more about this, that most of the places you went to, you've been to before, these are people you already know who are in your life. As a result of you being this super food hunter for all these years, you've traveled the world and you already knew like, oh, here are the places where we can explore these themes and I already have these relationships intact.

• 18:08Darin Olien?

  Yeah, indeed. There was a lot of things and then some course corrections on the fly too. Like Iceland was like almost a last minute thing. And I actually off camera, I did some foraging with some herbalists and stuff. And so really enjoyed the opportunity. But, but yeah, it was, it was again, like I had lists of colleagues in every episode, like heavy, right? To your point before, like if it was up to me, it would have been...

• 18:35Rich Roll?

  You would have gone down the academic rabbit hole.

• 18:37Darin Olien?

  A little heavier, indeed. And the thing about me, when I travel, obviously, I'm having fun. And so, you know, a little bit of the candor from the show, they grabbed a little more than I probably am comfortable with. But that's me. Like, so when I'm out and I'm on a mission, I also have the levity and the lightness about it, but I'm absolutely committed. So I had all of these experts on every episode and we're going to interview these people and that people and Dr. Pollak and these water scientists and Blumenthal from American Botanical Council. And we had Andreas, who was the head of biopiracy

• 19:22Darin Olien?

  that got cut out. Like, so there was, there was a lot more rigor of, of intensity of information. And it was hard.

• 19:35Darin Olien?

  Be honest with you, the first, the first actual episode we shot was Puerto Rico.

• 19:43Darin Olien?

  And that was kind of flying to Puerto Rico and realizing I have nobody on my side. And that's what it felt like because I didn't really, yes, I got to know a lot of the producers beforehand. But then I'm like, this is Zach and he, he's a famous person and there's intensity around that. And then realizing that like, oh, this may not be getting all of the information I want out. And it was hard. It was, it was back in the, in the hotel after a couple of days of shooting. And I was like, I don't know if I made the right decision.

• 20:27Rich Roll?

  Well, it looks like it, it feels like you went into this thinking, I'm going to be the straight man and Zach's the entertainment and I'm the educator here. But the way that it feels when I watch it is almost like Zach's the straight man. And you're the one who's spinning a crazy yarn and he's kind of looking, you know, breaking the fourth wall and looking at the camera like, is this for real with this guy, you know? Like he's the skeptic. He's, he's traveling in the boots of the, the typical audience member who's never been exposed to these ideas. And I think what makes it work is there is a bit of a vloggy kind of YouTube sensibility. Like there's a comedians in cars aspect to this where a lot of it is just you guys in the car,

• 21:12Rich Roll?

  driving around, right? And then it's laced with these beautiful drone shots and, you know, incredible cinematography and these montages. Um, and it picks its moments where it gets serious, but it's always interspersed with these moments of levity to, you know, make it, you know, quote unquote, like entertaining.

• 21:30Darin Olien?

  Yeah. And here's the thing I'll, I will also say. Over the years, people have said, well, if you want to do a show, you gotta get a celebrity. And I was like, no, I don't want to do it bad enough. I, I don't want to have to do that to make my topics, what I believe relevant, relevant. So when I met Zach and he, and this is very important because this hit me and this changed everything. This was when he said, hey, I have all these people that follow me.

• 22:02Darin Olien?

  I'm an actor, but I wanna do something with my platform. I wanna make a difference. I really want to. You don't see me hawking things on my platform. You don't see me selling stuff. That's for a reason. And so I wanna do something that's gonna move the needle on health, on the planet, on moving towards a better, sustainable, regenerative outcome for our existence here. And I, when he said it, I believed it. Right? And that, that changed it all for me. Yeah. Meaning that, number one, it came this way. He reached out to me. So it wasn't me trying to find some celebrity to sell my show to.

• 22:46Darin Olien?

  It was this innocent and powerful way that he wanted to contribute based on where he is in his life. And he does care. He's a very sweet, empathetic person that does care and maybe just didn't know how to do it until he saw a feather or a line or a string in this connection for us to be able to start turning that corner to actually make a difference. And I think it's a great start because, you know, for me, it's never, you've known what I'm about. It's never been about a show. It's about a movement. It's about a mission. It's about collaboration.

• 23:29Darin Olien?

  It's about really doing something that will make a lasting impact. And I, I don't necessarily know how to do that, but I'm learning and I'm learning from people what they're asking for. So, yeah, I'm connected to a lot of things. The show is, is starting the conversation in a lot of ways. And I am excited to see what and how this unfolds because I do not take it lightly that something has sparked this audience, has entertained them, has dropped their defenses of being talked to about another.

• 24:14Darin Olien?

  You know, agenda-filled documentary.

• 24:18Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:19Darin Olien?

  And listen, we, there's been a lot of documentaries that have, you know, it's hard, even though the subject matter you and I can agree with, but it's, it's sometimes hard to take because you know, we can listen to it, but it's not gonna reach over the aisle and grab the other people.

• 24:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah. The show has a very, you know, deft, gentle hand. And I think the coolest part is how it's connecting with really young people. Like, are you really gonna save, you know, the dude that's our age, who's set in his ways and has his worldview at this point? But if you can reach that nine-year-old or that 12-year-old and get them thinking about these things at that age, when they're malleable and they're just forming their opinions about stuff, it's incredibly powerful. So, you know, I just think it's cool. And I think, you know, to speak to Zach a little bit, it's laudable that he would want to use this massive platform and his, you know, fame and celebrity for a good purpose. And you and I can't fathom what it must be like to be a guy like that,

• 25:23Rich Roll?

  who's been just insanely famous for as long as he can possibly remember. And when you're in that position, A, like, how do you even interface with the world in a healthy way? And B, like, to the extent that, like, you want to use it for good? Like, you know, it's, it's a really cool thing. Like, I, I just, I can't imagine what his day-to-day life existence is like.

• 25:49Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Rich Roll?

  I mean, you got a glimpse of it, traveling all over the world with him.

• 25:52Darin Olien?

  Yeah, you get a glimpse of it, and it is intense. I mean, any country, any city.

• 25:58Rich Roll?

  And he doesn't seem to want any part of that. He's brilliantly gifted at what he does, but it's not about that for him.

• 26:05Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's a interesting relationship.

• 26:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 26:09Darin Olien?

  For sure. Because on the one hand, any celebrity will say, of course, there's some great things about being a celebrity. But man, there is something about it on the intensity scale in terms of population and what people want from you and that kind of energy that's you and I can walk around and be okay, but when that's always, almost anywhere

• 26:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 26:39Darin Olien?

  On the globe like that.

• 26:41Rich Roll?

  And how do you trust anybody?

• 26:43Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 26:44Rich Roll?

  Because everybody who rolls up on you has some kind of weird agenda.

• 26:47Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah, and I think, you know, listen, that's, you know, we had a few moments in the car where, and that's a cool thing about the show, eventually, you know, for me, I just didn't care that the cameras were on to try to be something. We just, they were always on and then we were always just had these great moments. And there was a couple of times when I was driving from New York to the Angry Orchard apple situation.

• 27:15Darin Olien?

  It was just this beautiful moment where we just, almost we're having our own moment and own little podcast in a sense, and talking about his life and talking about that intensity. And, uh, and yeah, it's not easy, but I think through, Zach's not afraid to dig in and to look at, you know, where he has his issues and where he struggles and we all need to do that.

• 27:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah, of course.

• 27:44Darin Olien?

  So, so yeah, it's, uh, it's, uh, I'm grateful for him to open himself up in a personal way and not being a character, not being a actor. And largely, you know, he was not that comfortable in the beginning of just like, oh, oh, there's no

• 28:09Rich Roll?

  There's no script.

• 28:11Darin Olien?

  No, it's just us and

• 28:13Rich Roll?

  Yeah, well, when you're an actor, you're inhabiting somebody else.

• 28:16Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Rich Roll?

  In this, he has to be himself.

• 28:18Darin Olien?

  Yeah. And, you know, me turning the camera on, I got shit to say, you know, even though they took a lot of the weird moments, but, uh, you know, but, but I think it's, it's It's great to also see, you know, the different parts of people because it also makes, makes it real because I can, I can get very serious about these subject matters and I have both sides where I can go in and I have strong opinions and everything else, but at the same time, in order for me to keep myself balanced, I have those, you know, fun moments. Right. That I, I learned when I traveled, I've seen a lot of things in the middle of nowhere

• 29:03Darin Olien?

  that are horrible. Like when people, you know, when kids are dying, you're looking at these children getting water, for example, in Africa and it's feces ridden water. And you're like, that's their life every day and they're dying of waterborne diseases. And I'm sitting there talking to this village over here about Baobab in Western Africa, about how we can get that to a bunch of people buying these supplements, for example. Up in Point Dime. Yeah, it's a struggle, but how I remedy that is, I take that very seriously. I, I've always taken that seriously. And how I remedy that and wrestle with that is, well, how can

• 29:47Darin Olien?

  I benefit these people? How can I, and we've talked about this several times in terms of how to look at kind of trying to create some sort of, you know, whatever terminology you use, circular economy, fair trade, all of this stuff. For me, it's just the moral compass. If it's like, I see something wrong or not correct or not optimal, how can I, in my own way, how can I help this situation? And so within that world of seeing this, it's easy to get overwhelmed with the amount of intensity we have with.

• 30:25Darin Olien?

  What we're not doing great as humans, what we absolutely can improve and what we absolutely can improve in a great way that doesn't have to be detrimental on so many of these other directions from an environment, from a health perspective, there's no separation between the, our inner ecosystems and our outer ecosystems. And you know, our great friend, Zach Bush talks, you know, speaks wonderfully about that interaction. And so, and I think we need to, as global citizens, we just literally have to start thinking that way. And I also challenge companies to start thinking that way. Like, what is the end

• 31:06Darin Olien?

  product of your container? Like, shouldn't you be responsible for what that's doing? That's single-use plastic? That's here for a thousand years. Maybe you should be responsible for, for that. And maybe there's a currency that we need to tack on to or adjust or, you know, so anyway, I'm going down those rabbit holes, but that's the view of even the impetus of this show was like, listen, there is a massive amount of stuff that we can bring light to. How do you even start? And the only way is like, well, let's start here and my life's not over and I have a lot more to give. And maybe we get a second season.

• 31:48Darin Olien?

  Maybe we get a third. Maybe we just keep going and maybe it proliferates into bringing attention to a lot of other things that aren't having the right attention. You know, and just one little thing on that too, like global warming, even having that word or words, that becomes now political. That becomes, you know, black and white. I don't even like to use those words. I just wanna like, go back to, okay, well, if you can provide clean power to a group of Aboriginal people in the middle of Australia, and I'm using that example because we're working on some projects there.

• 32:32Darin Olien?

  And it doesn't cost the government $6.2 billion to provide unsustainable fuel for their generators that are always breaking down. This is year by year by year by year by year. But if we can provide water, food, power cleanly, why wouldn't we do it?

• 32:50Rich Roll?

  Yeah, shouldn't we be doing that? I mean, I think that, again, the show is successful because it doesn't take some kind of partisan perspective, but there is a subtle challenge to American exceptionalism throughout the show because you go to these other places that we as Americans might think are underdeveloped in comparison to kind of the technology that we produce for the world. And yet, they're so much more advanced than we are in terms of how they're approaching these very important subjects. A perfect example is going to Paris and seeing what they're doing with their water and with the water fountains and how water is available to everybody. And that episode ends with the statistics on single-use plastics for water bottles, and it's staggering, right?

• 33:35Rich Roll?

  And it makes you think like, that's something very basic that we could and should be doing here, and we're not. And I think the more of those experiences that you shine a light on, it makes us reflect on our own flawed perception of exceptionalism as Americans, right?

• 33:53Darin Olien?

  Yeah. And I think that's a very powerful thing, that some people who may not have gotten to travel and don't get to see part of the world are seeing these amazing people doing some incredible things that we have gotten this delusion of US as some sort of superior superpower, when, yeah, there might be things that we do have, without a doubt, but there's also fatal flaws that we are still doing in the face of profit-centered economy. And that will always bite you in the ass.

• 34:34Darin Olien?

  And so, you know, as simple as just pulling the rug out from under this single-use bottle. I mean, of the 300 metric tons of plastic being created every year, half of it...

• 34:51Darin Olien?

  Is literally a single-use plastic.

• 34:53Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's just.

• 34:54Darin Olien?

  And mostly water bottles.

• 34:55Rich Roll?

  It's insane.

• 34:56Darin Olien?

  So we can absolutely start, we need to turn off that faucet of that insane idea. Because, you know, not one bit of the plastic that's ever been created on earth is gone.

• 35:11Darin Olien?

  It's still here. And that's up to 9.2 billion metric tons.

• 35:16Rich Roll?

  Of all the places that you went for the, what was your favorite episode or location? I've only watched the first three, so.

• 35:24Darin Olien?

  Oh, man. You're gonna cry.

• 35:26Rich Roll?

  You're prepared.

• 35:27Darin Olien?

  That last episode, you're gonna cry.

• 35:29Rich Roll?

  Is that the one where your house burns down?

• 35:30Darin Olien?

  Yeah. I cried. Both on the show and off, when I watch it again. But it's hard to know because they each had this own special place. I think, I mean, Iceland, just from a personal perspective, I wanted to just explore infinitely more. That certainly was. And, you know, then you go to Sardinia and you see the true village life, centuries old. This simple way of living, which is flying right in the face of everything that we've grown up with.

• 36:12Darin Olien?

  And yet we're trying to reach back to it to give us the gems so that we can live long.

• 36:17Rich Roll?

  Yeah, everybody in the village dating back 500 years can be traced to just five families, I think. Right?

• 36:26Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah, and we both got to, one got cut out, but I interviewed this 100-year-old lady too. And I literally could sit there all day. The wisdom, the, just pouring out of these people, not that they are eloquently giving you the meaning of life. But there's these simple, it's this, it's almost like powerful contentment that you just don't feel from.

• 36:59Darin Olien?

  Anybody, it's just this, I haven't left my village. I have this one lady that I interviewed that wasn't on the show. She's never been married. And I said, really? You just, I didn't think about it. What do you mean you didn't think about it? She was like, I just was living my life. And I didn't think about it. I didn't feel like I needed a man. And so it just never happened. And I was like, wow. Like she didn't buy into anything because her village was also not impressed upon these made up ideologies. It was, this is the simple way of living.

• 37:42Darin Olien?

  I'm content in such a degree. I'm blowing apart things that we think we need to accomplish.

• 37:51Rich Roll?

  Yeah. And what is the, the half life on those experiences, right? Like you've had many of these over the course of your life, but then you come home. How much of that sits with you and changes how you live on a daily basis versus, you know, fading away? Like that's the trick, right? You go and you're like, we're, we got it all wrong. Look at what these people are doing. And then we go back and then we just do what we always do.

• 38:17Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a great point. I mean, largely I've, I mean, you know, I'm pretty, I'm pretty content in my, in my now year that I had to construct after the fire and on the land and under the trees. So in one respect, all and every trip that I've taken has influenced me into, into the kind of life that I want. Now, at the same time, I am pulled and drawn to contribute and leave something behind,

• 38:56Darin Olien?

  whether it's education, inspiration, connecting things and making certain things possible to contribute to things that I think we need to on a bigger scale, whether that's health, whether that's the environment. That's the wrestle. So I have a, a huge desire to contribute in that way. I wouldn't say I'm content with that.

• 39:21Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 39:21Darin Olien?

  Because I, it's driving me, but I'm content.

• 39:26Darin Olien?

  In saying yes to it, it fuels me through, you know, going back to like the, the population of people loving the show. I look at it as like, yes, keep coming, keep coming to what I'm doing, keep coming. There are things that I'm creating that I can't reveal yet, but I am not stopping. And I'm not okay with sitting in Suelo, in Sardinia, becoming 100 years old.

• 39:59Rich Roll?

  Right. That's not gonna work for you.

• 40:00Darin Olien?

  No.

• 40:01Rich Roll?

  That's not your, that's not your blueprint, anyway.

• 40:04Darin Olien?

  It's not my blueprint of the, of the blue zones.

• 40:08Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 40:08Darin Olien?

  But, but I think that's also the contentment of finding you, finding me, finding what, what drives me, not from an ego perspective, but from the heart of, you know, the heart of everything I want to do. And it really comes down to two very simple things. I care about the health of people. I believe a healthy person has more choices and can really kick ass in their life and not have to drag around this body and then be of kind of this victim

• 40:49Darin Olien?

  of a body that's failing. So I believe in health of the individual, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually. And I believe in the intimate connection and the health of the planet. So if we can contribute in those ways, anything else, you know me, anything else, I just don't care.

• 41:06Rich Roll?

  And those two things are interconnected, of course.

• 41:08Darin Olien?

  Hundred percent.

• 41:09Rich Roll?

  And I think the show does a good job of, of establishing that and helping people to understand that connection.

• 41:15Darin Olien?

  And I think the only other thing that I've gotten from, it's such a great question, Rich, is the only, the, not the only other thing, another thing that I've gotten from the travels is

• 41:29Darin Olien?

  Not only learning more about myself from the reflection of countless different people around the world, and that is a boundary to what works for me. And being completely cool with saying no. And this flies in the face of being kid from Minnesota, I don't want to let anyone down.

• 41:52Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I know you well enough to know that you like to say yes, and you got a lot of stuff. Over the years, you've got a lot of stuff flung in your direction, and perhaps you've said yes a little too often to certain things. And now the volume is at 11, I would suspect, with what's coming at you. So you gotta definitely hone in your no engine.

• 42:13Darin Olien?

  Exactly.

• 42:14Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Rich Roll?

  And stay focused, rather than getting distracted chasing things that seem cool, because everything is going to look like an awesome thing to do, right? And you can't do it all. So it just makes it more important that you really keep going back to what your core mission is, what your mission statement is, what your intention is.

• 42:33Darin Olien?

  Exactly. I mean, putting it through those two cylinders helps, meaning the health of people, health of the planet. But then there's also what I'm just really grateful for. I've learned a lot of, from people reaching out, a lot of people doing incredible things to make the world, not only on the show itself, to see, you know, CO2 sequestering in Iceland, where they're injecting the CO2 back in the ground. And then it's creating rock and stone, and that's a great way to sequester some of it. Yeah, I like to also support CO2 sequestering from regenerative agriculture. That makes the most sense and something that we can do right now.

• 43:17Darin Olien?

  And, you know, Zach Bush is doing great stuff with Farmer's Footprint and all of those things. Those are the kinds of things that I want to continue to support. And I've learned that there's a great company called Footprint that is about a billion-dollar business that no one knows about, that is supplying non-plastic for single-use plastic alternatives to the big boys. ConAgra, Pepsi, McDonald's, like, they're scheduled to put out billions of single-use items replacing single-use plastic. That, to me... Those kind of relationships from the show, that fits with my mission.

• 44:00Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 44:01Darin Olien?

  To align, support, be ambassador for, and there's another 25 of them that I'm trying to do diligence on and all of that stuff. So yeah, it takes a lot and it's hard to say no with things like that, for sure.

• 44:27Rich Roll?

  We gotta talk about Lourdes.

• 44:29Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 44:30Rich Roll?

  That was a trip.

• 44:31Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 44:32Rich Roll?

  You go to Lourdes and you're gonna figure out what's going on with the water there and the healing. And that episode opens up with a very tricky exchange with the chief medical doctor. I don't know what his title is, right?

• 44:45Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 44:46Rich Roll?

  That got off to a rocky start.

• 44:47Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 44:48Rich Roll?

  And it looked like he thought you were gonna make fun of him or something like, like, what was happening there? And like, walk me through that. Cause then ultimately it gets back on track. And that was kind of a mind blowing thing that he communicated.

• 45:02Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So, yeah, that was an interesting, like, there was so many different directions to go down with water.

• 45:11Rich Roll?

  Uh huh.

• 45:12Darin Olien?

  From my scientist guys to, which would have been a little dry. And so I said, well, let's go to Lourdes because I want to actually study the water. And there was a whole part where I was looking at the water and we didn't, we cut it out. And then I sent the water to Dr. Gerald Pollak for him to do. And he wrote the book, The Fifth Phase of Water. He was incredible. He's an incredible researcher on water. He's got a foundation. They're doing extensive research. He puts a program out every year and the top scientists in the world. So number one, I wanted to learn about what the hell's going on with this water. And so we ended up at Lourdes and I, I knew the medical doctor existed, but

• 45:57Darin Olien?

  I didn't want to meet him ahead of time. And so the people that I didn't know, I didn't want to meet before the cameras are on because I wanted to be completely authentic. So, and I don't want to throw on anyone under the bus, but, so the producers had set the meeting up. Obviously we had to have an official meeting. And so this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna film this. And, you know, one person's an actor, the other person is kind of the facilitator here of. Water expert himself, which they said, and so we met him on camera. And instantly, when I met him, I'm like, oh, I know that kind of guy.

• 46:36Darin Olien?

  Like, he's a brilliant, wonderful, very articulate and very proud person. And very, like I said, underscore, very intelligent. So we met, cameras are rolling, we shook hands. And he started, you know, he sat back in his chair, super excited to tell us a story. You know, he had the platform.

• 47:03Rich Roll?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:04Darin Olien?

  And so he started on the story and he was a great order and it was gonna be a story. And one of the producers, as he started, kind of stepped in and said, hey, could you get to the part where blah, blah, blah? And oh, my God. He was insulted.

• 47:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 47:27Darin Olien?

  And I can understand both sides. I can understand. He just started and we set this up and so. So he was, he was, uh, he went from, I love the guy, by the way. And I don't hold any of that against him because of a variety of things. And he just went from zero to about a nine and a half.

• 47:54Rich Roll?

  Uh huh.

• 47:55Darin Olien?

  Being upset.

• 47:57Darin Olien?

  And so I'm like, this is, we're done.

• 48:00Rich Roll?

  Meaning he thought that you were taking him seriously and this might be some kind of weird hit piece or?

• 48:08Darin Olien?

  Yeah, he, he was starting in to really tell us a story and he was interrupted.

• 48:13Rich Roll?

  Uh huh.

• 48:14Darin Olien?

  And then it just all triggered like, what am I, what am I doing? I am legit. I have a position that's real. I am a medically trained doctor.

• 48:25Darin Olien?

  And he hadn't got to the point of how this actually works, right? And how this actually works was he, with all of his medical training and a whole research, their job is to figure out if a miracle comes to them, or someone thinking that this spontaneously miracle happened, his job was to figure out, did it have the criteria that they could debunk? That they could figure, well, you know, it wasn't spontaneous, and it didn't completely go under remission, it didn't change, and there's all of our medical reasons that didn't add up to this miracle. So he had a, so the science is heavy, and it's long.

• 49:10Darin Olien?

  And so as he was describing, starting, he was trying to get there, and he got interrupted, and sure enough, he was pissed. And then I realized in a nanosecond that this guy's out. He's out. And Zach was like a deer in headlights. And so he was like, holy shit. And everybody was. And the producers were in the other room. It was just us and the camera guys. And so I just go, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't care about the camera. I was like, and it was a little longer than what we actually cut it to be. And I was just like, let me back up. This is who I am. I care about everything that you're saying, and I want to learn. Screw the cameras. Please tell me your story.

• 49:55Darin Olien?

  And so I just, I just reeled it back. And I said, this is Zach. This is me. I've spent my lifetime in this space of learning and exploring, and, and I want to know what's going on here at Lord's, and I want to know what your position is on all of this stuff. And then he sat back, calmed down.

• 50:16Darin Olien?

  Bam.

• 50:16Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 50:17Darin Olien?

  And that changed everything. And the producers were like, we don't know how you did that. But thank you.

• 50:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 50:25Darin Olien?

  And, and it became, and then of course, in the episode, they showed the x-rays, the miracle, it's-

• 50:31Rich Roll?

  Right. And just to recap for people that are watching or listening, Lourdes is this place in France where people have been going for, you know, hundreds of years to bathe themselves and imbibe this water. That's lauded for its healing properties, dating back to Bernadette having this vision of the Mother Mary and being compelled to dig up this, essentially like underground spring. And for, when was that? And what year was that when she did that? Do you remember? Eighteen hundreds or was it older than that?

• 51:03Darin Olien?

  I think it was eighteen twenty-five or something, maybe?

• 51:08Rich Roll?

  And so over the years, there are all these documented cases of people going there and being healed. So you go there and say, explain to me what's going on here. You meet with this doctor and he's showing you x-rays and MRIs of cases that he has vetted over the years where there's no legitimate scientific explanation for how these people have healed themselves, other than the fact that they have come to Lourdes and participated in this ritual of bathing in this water.

• 51:35Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, the spring has been flowing ever since and people drink it, they bathe in it, they come. Clearly there's an energy there. It feels like a sacred place. I mean, it's just-

• 51:50Rich Roll?

  And that guy had like, had a massive cancer growth in his hip, right? That just ate away his entire hip bone.

• 51:57Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So that was the one that he showed us that was one of the latest miracles. They had decades of research, a stack of research papers trying to figure out how this happened. The guy himself apparently didn't believe in the miracle or anything, but he, he bathed in it and started tingling all over and his-

• 52:23Darin Olien?

  Hip was a, it was mush. There was nothing but ligaments holding his hip together because it, the cancer just had eaten his right side of the hip completely. And it all regenerated. And there was zero scientific evidence for them to explain it.

• 52:45Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 52:46Darin Olien?

  And so what happens is that once they've hit these certain criteria, then they're like, we can't explain it in any way in our modern medicine. From every angle, from all the researchers, we can't explain it. So then they pass it to the parish, to the church. And they're like, it's now up to you whether you, so it's not the doctor's decision.

• 53:09Rich Roll?

  His job is to try to debunk it. He runs it through this calculus of these criteria. One of which is that it has to stand the test of time, right? Like, so they, they look, they continue to like, study these people for like, a decade after they visit Lourdes. And they have to dismiss any other rationale for why this person was healed and all these other things.

• 53:31Darin Olien?

  Can't ever come back.

• 53:31Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 53:33Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 53:35Rich Roll?

  It's so crazy, man.

• 53:36Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 53:37Rich Roll?

  Wow.

• 53:38Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So, so Lourdes was this place we could go to, to start the conversation that many, many, I've met hundreds of scientists that have dedicated their lives to understanding this mystery, this mystery of water. And it has so many properties. We talked about water.

• 54:00Rich Roll?

  Yeah, we did like, a whole podcast on water.

• 54:02Darin Olien?

  Yeah. And it goes deeper and like, pun intended, it goes deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. So Lourdes was this opportunity for us to go, there is a

• 54:16Darin Olien?

  Form a structure, a quantum expression, a chemical expression, a biological expression, and influence that water has and receives and transmits and transports and everything from conduction of voltage, which we live on, which our cells are needed, a certain voltage we need in order to have healthy cells. So, and you're thinking about, okay, well, all cells are through an osmotic flow of inertital water and extratital water. So, so there's a osmotic flow. And then when you talk about, I mean, just touching

• 55:00Darin Olien?

  on this again, because it's so fascinating, when you talk about, which is why I love Dr. Gerald Pollak's work, when that water touches a hydrophilic surface, like the cell membrane, it creates energy from coming up against that surface by exchanging protons and electrons, by pushing them out, creating that what's called an exclusion zone, a little thin layer in between the membrane and the water itself. And you're like, what? It's creating voltage. It's creating energy just by the water coming up against the surface.

• 55:41Darin Olien?

  So, that exploration is a continuous, you know this about me, it's a continuous exploration of what the hell is water and how it's structured and how it can be influenced and how it can hold ridiculous amounts of memory, physical memory, like a hard drive of a computer. It can transmit information. It can receive information. So, so Lourdes, going back to the show, Lourdes was dipping our toe in a little bit of what potentially

• 56:21Darin Olien?

  Water can kind of be.

• 56:25Rich Roll?

  And you took that water and you had it studied.

• 56:27Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 56:27Rich Roll?

  That didn't make it into the show, but what were the results of that?

• 56:31Darin Olien?

  Well, there's, I mean, it's so hard to, so I tested it from total dissolved solids. So it had a, had a great medium mineral content. You don't want too much, so there wasn't anything profound. There wasn't any toxins that I saw. There wasn't heavy metals. There wasn't, there wasn't environmental issues and exposure from our modern day world. There wasn't a lot. So it was a spring. It was clean. It wasn't, you know, so there wasn't that negative side of it. There was a slightly positive pH to it. So it wasn't acidic. So it was benefiting. So when you look at pH, you're also looking at voltage.

• 57:14Darin Olien?

  So when you have a negative voltage, you have electron giving situation. If you have a acidic situation, you have, call it a free radical. You have a scavenger trying to take from in the body. And when you have a negative voltage, you have an antioxidant essentially. So that's a very quick version. So, so from the pH perspective, it was like, okay, that makes sense. It's, it's balanced. It's got electrolytes. And then I sent it off to Dr. Pollack. Unfortunately, through, you know, I put it in a stainless steel jug.

• 57:56Darin Olien?

  I sent it through, but it's so hard because, because it's now being influenced by all the other frequencies, by the airline trip. And so, so he looked at it. We didn't get conclusive evidence whether it had a lot of these hydrophilic properties or, so.

• 58:17Darin Olien?

  You know.

• 58:17Rich Roll?

  There wasn't anything that immediately jumped out to you that said, this is different than any other water I've ever seen and.

• 58:23Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 58:23Rich Roll?

  There's some kind of alien entity.

• 58:26Darin Olien?

  Yeah, but that being said, this was a very crude way of looking at it. There was a lot of, there's a lot more science you could look into that from.

• 58:35Rich Roll?

  You'd think Pollock would go right to the source and test it there.

• 58:38Darin Olien?

  He has, over the years, been in touch with this doctor.

• 58:41Rich Roll?

  Uh huh.

• 58:42Darin Olien?

  So there's been a lot of the top scientists and from their perspective, there is something going on with the water. I don't know what that is yet, but there has to be some sort of control of it. It's not going to work by me putting in a thing and, and sending it off to Dr. Pollock and having in some super molecule that is in there. So, but, but it begs the question, there, there is, without a doubt, coming from the earth in aquifer, uh, that is still flowing naturally from the source, from the earth itself, it's obviously a better water, period. But the miraculousness, I would love to find out in my lifetime.

• 59:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 59:28Darin Olien?

  How they, how that actually occurs.

• 59:30Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Well, it's crazy times. You got UFOs being legitimized and all kinds of stuff. So who knows, man? Um, let's talk about your house burning down. I mean, I think if memory serves me, when we last did the podcast, you had just recently acquired the property and moved in, I think.

• 59:49Darin Olien?

  It was 2016.

• 59:50Rich Roll?

  On the timeline. Yeah. So you bought this incredible little hunting lodge. It had been there. When was it built?

• 59:58Darin Olien?

  1933.

• 59:59Rich Roll?

  Yeah. On this pristine, beautiful patch of untouched land, deep in the hills outside of Malibu. And this was like, like a dream, right? To come into this place. And while you were shooting the show, the Woolsey fire happens and just, I mean, you were right in the thick of it, like right where the, the brunt of the fire just, just rushed right over your property and everything was scorched.

• 1:00:30Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah, finishing the last episode, you know, right? So I was in the Amazon finishing this show. And I knew that the, I knew that the fire had started. And then

• 1:00:50Darin Olien?

  we were on the Amazon and we had no cell reception. So I was just like, well, my house has been around for a while. I'm betting on longevity.

• 1:00:59Rich Roll?

  So you had heard, were you completely out of touch? Or you had heard that a fire had started?

• 1:01:04Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Rich Roll?

  That there was a fire in Malibu?

• 1:01:06Darin Olien?

  Yeah, so I had heard from my neighbors and from other people in Malibu. Hey, there's a fire. And, and I was like, okay, uh, I'm sending good vibes, man. Um, my house is okay.

• 1:01:20Rich Roll?

  Just an ultimate, you know, lesson in powerlessness.

• 1:01:24Darin Olien?

  Completely. And a little naive because I'm like, I don't know how big it is. I don't really know much about it, but I'm like, you know, fire in Malibu unfortunately is kind of common. Yeah. So I was off. We were in the Amazon. We had a lot of exploring to do and largely just when I think about it, I just send good vibes. And, and then we were done in the Amazon. The funny thing is when you do the timeline, if people are watching the show, the last episode, there's a point where we're doing a cleansing ceremony. We're smoking. So with all these herbs, not ayahuasca, not hallucinogens,

• 1:02:08Darin Olien?

  just, just kind of think of it as like a sage ceremony where it's cleansing your aura and negative energies. And it's just a very, it was a very powerful moment. And when we looked at the timeline, the pretty much exactly the time that that was going on and I was being smoked out is when my house is burning.

• 1:02:34Darin Olien?

  How crazy is that? I just didn't know it. Whoa. So on some level, I'm being smoked out, getting to this incredible, beautiful, meditative place, while

• 1:02:48Darin Olien?

  almost exactly, my house is literally scorched and burning. So we leave and jump back on the boat, going down the Amazon River. And next thing I know, we get back to Akitos, the boat ramp. And I literally turned on my phone and I had hundreds of messages. And then, within about five minutes, I realized, and there was pictures from my neighbor and, I mean, it was an incredibly challenging thing. Like, we just had been

• 1:03:32Darin Olien?

  in the middle of the jungle, we just had all of these things going on, and then not five minutes, I wasn't even off the boat, and I'm sitting there stunned.

• 1:03:44Darin Olien?

  And then I, literally, we get in the car, and I'm like, my house just burned down, I'm shocked.

• 1:03:50Darin Olien?

  And I called my neighbor, was the first person I said, and they picked up? And I was like, and as soon as they answered,

• 1:04:01Darin Olien?

  they said, I'm so sorry. And I was like, yeah, but

• 1:04:08Darin Olien?

  what was there? What, I'm so sorry.

• 1:04:13Darin Olien?

  What happened? I'm so sorry, everything. What do you mean, everything? I'm so sorry. All of my, my house, my car, my, everything, I'm so sorry. You need to call your insurance company. And I'm, and then they sent pictures that they had walked down and taken, and I saw.

• 1:04:35Darin Olien?

  And that moment was just, you can't, you can't understand it.

• 1:04:41Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Darin Olien?

  In that moment, so.

• 1:04:43Rich Roll?

  I mean, only your fireplace remained and your truck just literally melted.

• 1:04:49Darin Olien?

  Yeah, and motorcycles and barns.

• 1:04:52Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:04:53Darin Olien?

  And so I received pictures and I, and then I was in the middle of just devastation. Like I didn't, and then I hearing all these messages, my mom left messages, my ex-wife left messages, all these people leaving me, I'm so sorry. And like, I'm, I'm trying to process like, what do you mean? I just lost everything like, and then, and then I told the crew. And then a few hours later, they said, listen, we totally understand if you want to leave and go deal with this stuff. And I just sat there and I was like, well,

• 1:05:31Darin Olien?

  what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do now? And so I just said, well,

• 1:05:40Darin Olien?

  why do you think I'm here?

• 1:05:43Darin Olien?

  I'm, I'm here on this mission that may look partially like a TV show.

• 1:05:51Darin Olien?

  But there was a moment in Puerto Rico that didn't make the show. There was a point when the, when, when I said that was the first place we shot, when I was looking around at the devastation that happened in Puerto Rico from the hurricanes. And I looked and they're putting up, you know, they're putting up the same infrastructure that's gonna get wiped out again, without a doubt. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. And I'm like, you guys might have power after a year and a half, but you're as vulnerable. There's no difference. And, and then I was like, I'm looking around going, that's the same infrastructure we have everywhere. We're all vulnerable. It could happen to all of us, any of us. And that was literally conscious thought

• 1:06:37Darin Olien?

  from Puerto Rico. And then it literally happened to me. I lost everything from a disaster like this. And so that resolve of why I'm here became very clear, very quick, even though I'm grieving and I'm sad and I'm upset and I'm shocked. And I was like, I'm not leaving. I'm finishing this fucking show. Like, cause I know at least a glimpse more of why I'm doing this, why I'm even here. And so I didn't leave and we continued with the show and, and then I, you know, I came back

• 1:07:20Darin Olien?

  and then dealt with just waves and waves and waves of grief.

• 1:07:23Rich Roll?

  I reached out to Dylan and asked him, I said, Darren's coming on the podcast. Like, what are some things that happened during the filming of the show? Cause Dylan was on the production team that, you know, I might not know about that would be interesting to explore. And he said, he gave me a lot of input, but basically one of the things he said was that, you know, definitely when his house burned down, when you guys were in Akitos, he said, that was so tragic, but somehow Darren kept his head on his shoulders and filmed and stayed positive. He was a rock, the whole shoot, always a morale booster for the exhausted crew. We definitely looked up to his work ethic, his early morning workouts and constant positivity and knowledge moms.

• 1:08:04Rich Roll?

  And, you know, the fact that like you just lost everything that you own, like your relationship to the material world was completely rocked while you're being saged in this place where people have nothing and your ability to maintain your composure, of course, amidst of, you know, the emotional tumult that that would have caused is an incredible thing. And, you know, I just know, knowing you, how you navigated the kind of emotional landmines of that and the very practical material landmines of that. And very quickly you went from, you know, anybody would be horribly upset at this happening,

• 1:08:44Rich Roll?

  but you were able to reset really quickly and reframe the entire thing as an opportunity. And you were able to let it go, like true, not just give it lip service, but to like really like let it all go. So like, walk me through that like journey, you know, when you come back and you have to see what has happened to the point of like, this is awesome. Now I get to like build the house that I want.

• 1:09:15Darin Olien?

  I think that, um,

• 1:09:19Darin Olien?

  you know, grief is

• 1:09:23Darin Olien?

  not something that comes easy for anybody. And the loss is so intense that I think the the, the practice of challenges helped prepare me for that, that moment. And the only other thing I could relate to that was more intense than that was the loss of my father. And when my father passed away, it was so incredibly intense that I just told myself, let it all happen.

• 1:10:04Darin Olien?

  Let the emotions happen. Don't try to do anything. I don't know where that voice came from.

• 1:10:11Darin Olien?

  So I did. I let all of that emotion go and I, and, and process through me. And the same thing with the house. I, I can't hold this tsunami of emotions back. It physically hurts to try to intellectualize

• 1:10:29Darin Olien?

  what just happened. So let it happen. Let it all express itself.

• 1:10:38Darin Olien?

  And it was weird, Rich. It was tricky because the whole community got hammered. Friends of mine and friends of yours. And, and so when I was grieving through it and realizing that I have friends, I have relationships, I have love, that was the first thing that came rushing through. And the support and the love and the, their hands reaching out to me was from every direction. That was like, well, this is what it's all about. This is life right here. And so receiving that was a gift and, and then through that grief and allowing it to happen, it was just like, well,

• 1:11:22Darin Olien?

  it may feel like this happened to me.

• 1:11:29Darin Olien?

  But something shifted and I was like, no, this happened for me. And then, once that clicked, I got so elated, it was freaky.

• 1:11:40Rich Roll?

  I know, it was weird because you were legitimately thrilled. I was like, what is going on?

• 1:11:48Darin Olien?

  I know.

• 1:11:49Rich Roll?

  This is incredible.

• 1:11:50Darin Olien?

  I know, and you guys were looking at me like an alien. But it clicked into, there's gonna be a lot of work ahead.

• 1:11:59Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Darin Olien?

  I wasn't, that wasn't.

• 1:12:01Rich Roll?

  I mean, you're in the yurt now, you've been in the yurt for longer than I thought you would be in the yurt. Like, I thought this new house project would be further along than it is. I don't know what the status is, but.

• 1:12:13Darin Olien?

  It's still in permanent hell. But I went, this is happening to me, no, this is happening for me, yes. And the thing that it did was, the glimpse that I got into my resolve, when I thought I was passionate about contributing to the world and contributing to people and contributing to helping the planet, I paled in comparison to what this deepened inside of me. So that gift alone, I could not take that back. I would not want to take that back because it gave me,

• 1:12:57Darin Olien?

  I don't know what to even call it, this sense of commitment, love, respect, resolve, passion, all of that deepened in a way that there's no way I would want to give that back. So I wouldn't want that experience not to have happened. Because of the gift that I was starting to receive and waves and waves and waves. And you guys, and you seeing some of that stuff, I was like, I'm fricking stoked, man. Because I see something now, I see through the grief and I see a world that I want to contribute to.

• 1:13:41Darin Olien?

  And I know that I can. Kick some ass and give it a go and use this as an opportunity to raise attention about a different way of decentralizing power, for example. There's people I know that can create clean power in a powerful way, build differently, that can protect against fire and seismic activity of earthquakes that we can regenerate through permaculture and understanding food and food systems and growing through our connectedness of this earth are the way we're living and the way we're not living and their health and vitality. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

• 1:14:22Darin Olien?

  All of that stuff was rushing in, in a way that I thought I knew, but was coming in so powerfully that I changed my life and I'm grateful for it. So, living in the yurt, no problem.

• 1:14:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:39Darin Olien?

  Still going.

• 1:14:39Rich Roll?

  It's more, it's more you anyway than a hunting lodge. You know what I mean? You're living in this yurt, so you have this sort of minimalistic lifestyle. And at the same time, the project of reimagining and reconstructing a domicile for you is like a project and a symbol and a means for you to bring your values into greater alignment with your actions, right? Like you can create this structure that reflects everything about who you are, being off the grid and with the water and with the power and all that kind of stuff. But you're also butting up against the status quo in a big way. Like I know you've this battle that you're waging right now, just to, just to try to

• 1:15:22Rich Roll?

  create something that is off-grid is something no one wants to hear about, right? Like you're like, I don't want to use the power from the pole. I'm going to do it this way. And they're like, well, you can't, right? Like the systemic nature of how we live is so powerful that it almost doesn't permit you to do things a better way.

• 1:15:42Darin Olien?

  Yeah, and quote unquote, the normal person has no other options.

• 1:15:46Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:15:46Darin Olien?

  Because we haven't invested into our world that way. We have been reliant upon these monolithic monopolies. They're like, okay, if I build a house, I gotta use this company Edison or PG&E or these other big monopolies. And they put up these god awful poles and they string these lines and it clicks our house and then we have a smart meter that blasts us with EMF and blah, blah, blah, goes on and on and on. And I was like, number one, these fricking guys didn't give me temporary power. They had me jumping through all these fricking hoops. So I just said, screw you guys. I'm not taking your power. I'm gonna create, I'm gonna build a yurt. I'm gonna get it off grid and I'm gonna use solar panel.

• 1:16:31Darin Olien?

  I'm gonna use some battery systems and I'm gonna have everything I need. I'm not living without air conditioning and beautiful bathroom and kitchen.

• 1:16:40Rich Roll?

  It's a nice yurt.

• 1:16:41Darin Olien?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna live and I'm gonna, I'm gonna also explore that we don't have to live, not that there's anything wrong with it, like we're living just in a tent without these beautiful parts of our modern day world where it's comfortable and clean and all of that stuff. I wanna put attention that we can decentralize this power because I'm not taking power from any monopoly ever again. I'm not taking, so when I build the beautiful, sustainable house, the one that's gorgeous

• 1:17:22Darin Olien?

  and looks like a piece of art and has all of this stuff in it, I'm not living in a tent. I'm living in a beautiful structure. I'm never taking power again. So there's other ways and it's way beyond solar. And this is a whole nother conversation that you and I will have. When I start really getting into these power systems that will blow people's minds. Again, that people are doing that we don't know about. A little bit on this show, like you realize there's some great people and countries doing incredible things. If we knew more about that stuff, we could as a populace, invest and understand and educate ourselves around that.

• 1:18:02Darin Olien?

  And not have these monopolies largely being the result of this fire. Right? For example, that changed our community forever. So, no, I'm going to spend time, energy and resources into decentralizing. Decentralize our food so it can be food sovereignty. Decentralize our power so we can have power sovereignty and start to figure out different ways to cultivate water. Right? And there's ways, believe me, there's ways that you can cultivate from 2% humidity. And you can create drinkable water right now. There's a lot of different things that we can do to create freedoms back again.

• 1:18:47Darin Olien?

  Because I don't know about you, but there's some freedoms for some good reasons for right now. And some not good reasons that are going on as we speak. That are not promoting our freedom. So I don't need to be-

• 1:19:05Rich Roll?

  But it's the subtle ones that we're not even consciously aware of. That they're, that are the ones that are more problematic that we need to pay more attention to. And I think the, the power thing is a great example of that. I mean, I remember I came down to your house to visit you and maybe a year ago or something like that. And it was an ongoing frustration because they wouldn't give you temporary power. Right? Like, I don't know what was going on there, but I go to your house. You don't have temporary power, but it was either, I think it was Edison had brought all its trucks down. And they're like trimming the trees around the poles where the wires were. And you were like, I was like, what are these guys doing here? You're like, hey, you went out there and you were livid. You're like, I don't even have power here. I don't want your power. What are you doing here, cutting my trees?

• 1:19:50Rich Roll?

  Get off my property.

• 1:19:51Darin Olien?

  Totally.

• 1:19:52Rich Roll?

  You remember that?

• 1:19:53Darin Olien?

  I remember that. The timing of you, you were like behind the truck or something.

• 1:19:57Rich Roll?

  Stuck, like, because you have this tiny little winding, I mean, to get to where you live is like a whole ordeal, right? And there's no, there isn't room for a car to pass another car on your winding, long driveway.

• 1:20:09Darin Olien?

  That was a funny moment. That, because that was the culmination of them not giving me power when I desperately needed to be back on my property. So everything that LA County and Malibu County basically said they were gonna do, they weren't doing. So I'm fighting with going, they're not, wow, they're not gonna give me temporary, I can't inhabit my own property. So the very, I'm jumping through hoop after hoop after, they want this now, they want this now, they want this now, they're making me do all these things. I'm like, give me fucking temporary power. I wanna be back on my property. I want my dog back, who's like displaced and can't be with me right now.

• 1:20:52Darin Olien?

  Give me my life back. And I, bureaucratically, they didn't care. So that moment was a funny moment, when you showed up and I'm like, they just rolled into my property, didn't tell me, and started cutting down sacred oak trees for wires that weren't even turned on.

• 1:21:13Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:21:14Darin Olien?

  So I raced back, I called them immediately, saying, tell me that these wires are not, don't have power. Okay, hold on, we'll get back to you. They don't have power. Yes, they don't have power, they're not turned on. Okay, great. Take your power lines down. I've never told you it's okay. Get them off my property. And also, these people are cutting my trees down, get them out of here. So.

• 1:21:43Darin Olien?

  I think we all can relate to that. We all have this beautiful, convenient world. But there's, you know, I use this term all the time, there's fatal conveniences. In this respect, if my power goes out, I have no power sovereignty. If I rely on these things, monopolies and these systems that are failing, they failed Puerto Rico. They failed me. They failed our community. We have to do something different. We have to do everything we can, pun intended, to get our power back. Our individual power. We need to invest into these other systems

• 1:22:26Darin Olien?

  that do not have it all intertwined with one or two people making decisions for everybody.

• 1:22:34Rich Roll?

  Yeah, power being more than just electricity, but a symbol of personal agency in our lives. Yeah.

• 1:22:53Rich Roll?

  How has the age of COVID and coronavirus affected your daily routine? Like, what's, walk me through the Darren O'Leary day in the life of hydration and nutrition and fitness.

• 1:23:09Darin Olien?

  Well, I mean, obviously, the intensity of the moment doesn't escape us.

• 1:23:14Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Darin Olien?

  But my daily life is largely not different.

• 1:23:19Rich Roll?

  You're as socially distant from other people as anybody I know. I mean, just where, geographically where you live.

• 1:23:27Darin Olien?

  Yeah, and it's also part of understanding how I work powerfully in the world. I do need nature. I do need to repower myself up. I do need to step away in order for me to then step in and kick some butt. But yeah, the, so I'm grateful I've cultivated a life where I, I'm not next to people and buildings and Wi-Fi signals and that intensity. So my heart goes out to people in this challenging time where you're like stuck.

• 1:24:01Darin Olien?

  Um, I'm not. And with that, I don't look at that lightly. I'm trying to do, I'm as busy as I've ever been. I'm as structured and as scheduled as I've ever been. And because I want to contribute, I want to continue to help people live a healthy life. So I wake up, I wake up early, I You're on the eight to four program still. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, so, you know, I get my, my water action. I, I start, you know, got my He's got some show and tell. I got my blue bottle. So this is a great company. Um, this is where glass bottles,

• 1:24:45Darin Olien?

  get away from single use plastic. I, I filter my water like crazy. All the water filters into my house. Um, this is a cool company because of the frequency of the blue. The light passing through the blue does what to the water? Helps structures the water in a way that's a similar, um, frequency as a healthy cell. So a healthy cell is between negative 25 and 35, uh, microvolts, right? So that light passing through helps to structure that water creates a energetic signature that is similar to that, which is a healthy cell. Okay. When you get injured, the body uses more energy

• 1:25:25Darin Olien?

  to ramp up the voltage, literally, so that the healing can happen. When you're acidic and not eating well and not eating enough plants, your voltage literally drops, right? Eighth grade class took two voltage meters in a potato and you turn a light on. Right. That's as simple as it is, right? So boom, drink my water. I've got some hydro, on demand hydrogen water. What's the name of that bottle? This is a company called Blue Bottle Love. And I happen to have love on the bottle. So this works with, you know, Dr. Emoto. Masuri Emoto, right? Yeah, exactly. So he did a lot of research around the structure of water. And this was just his way of showing that the water is, uh, informed, right? So he

• 1:26:10Darin Olien?

  He wrote the, you know, love and hate and all of this stuff and realized that water is structured by that influence. So, hey, whether you believe it or not, it feels good to look down and drink water that's filled, you know, that's bathing in love. And then I also have, you know, so I have a lot of technology around water, but then.

• 1:26:31Rich Roll?

  What is your particular water filtration system that you use?

• 1:26:35Darin Olien?

  Yeah, so I filter all the water coming into the house. So every bit of water goes through three-phase filters and then it vortates. So the great work of Schalberger back in the early 1900s, he was an observer and researcher of nature. And he realized that water vortates. It's healthy when it structures itself. It doesn't move in a straight line, nor is it good when it's stagnant. So my water is filtered and then it goes through a vortator. So it structures the water as it's coming into the house. And then it's just a nice little RO system.

• 1:27:16Darin Olien?

  So reverse osmosis. So it's taking out pharmaceuticals, taking out fluorides and chlorines and volatile compounds that interact with those things. And then I have a, then my final filter system, it goes into an on-demand hydrogen creating machine. So hydrogen is one of the great antioxidants, stabilizers of free radicals in nature. So that's pretty much what this is. And then it's in a glass bottle.

• 1:27:46Rich Roll?

  So it's literally like a three-stage, four-stage process where you have multiple filtration systems before the water ends up in that blue bottle.

• 1:27:55Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Plus I have a well too. So that well is pretty.

• 1:27:59Rich Roll?

  And you get all the water from the well?

• 1:28:01Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:28:02Darin Olien?

  And so, yeah, it's pretty, so my whole.

• 1:28:05Rich Roll?

  For people that are into digging into that mority of links for the particular types of filters that you use that we could put in the show notes?

• 1:28:13Darin Olien?

  We're devising a FAQ because that's a big.

• 1:28:17Rich Roll?

  Well, after your water episode on the show, I'm sure a lot of people want to know more about that.

• 1:28:21Darin Olien?

  We'll get that to you. And if people are overwhelmed with just hearing that, I mean, you basically just, a reverse osmosis.

• 1:28:32Darin Olien?

  Couple hundred bucks.

• 1:28:33Rich Roll?

  That's, is that the most important of all of these? Like if somebody wants to just start, like where's the focus?

• 1:28:38Darin Olien?

  Yeah, because the RO is a particular size of filter that won't allow those particulates to go, go through the dangerous ones, the pharmaceuticals and the, the things that are ending up in our water. So it filters out that. Or you can also distill the water. So distillation of through its evaporation and then recondensing, clearly that's a good one.

• 1:29:00Rich Roll?

  But your water sommelier in the show said no bueno to that.

• 1:29:04Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So that's where him and I conflict a bit. And we weren't able to have a discussion enough that would make it in the show. So, but he's not wrong. There's just some nuance to it. Not everyone can buy a bottle of water from who knows where.

• 1:29:24Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:29:25Darin Olien?

  But some of those high, so let's define TDS again. Total dissolved solids. In our modern day world, there's a lot of junk as a total dissolved solid. There's pharmaceuticals, there's chlorine, there's fluorides, there's volatile nitrates, there's a bunch of stuff.

• 1:29:45Rich Roll?

  So the TDS number alone is not a valid indicator because it doesn't, it's, it doesn't calibrate the quality of the TDS.

• 1:29:51Darin Olien?

  Right. It's exactly, it's just a total. If in nature, it was just TDS, it would just be mainly minerals, right? Unless some dirt was in there. So TDS is important, but it's important not to have the volatile compounds. If you turn on your tap, you're having many of those volatile compounds. Now, the good thing about the modern day world, you're putting chlorine in there so it can make it all the way to you and not have bacteria that literally is going to kill you. So that's, there's nothing wrong with what we've done, but it hasn't got out everything. And by exposing yourself to those chemicals and those interactive volatile compounds, those are what you need to strip out. So that's the distinction difference

• 1:30:36Darin Olien?

  between TDS. So super high TDS that he obviously showed on the show, that is not a sustainable way of getting hydration. Those are just incredible, kind of, um, almost medicinal sides of water that are just there to facilitate something and be exposed to, but not on a long-term.

• 1:31:02Darin Olien?

  Way to be hydrated, definitely not. So for the most part, none of us have free exposure to clean spring water. Number one, if you have clean, tested spring water, number one choice, without a doubt. But most of us don't, which is why I then go, well, you have to deconstruct that water. You gotta get rid of that crap so that you can build it back up again. Which is why I say, distill your water and reverse osmosis. And then.

• 1:31:33Rich Roll?

  You can like re-mineralize it?

• 1:31:34Darin Olien?

  So then you can re-mineralize it. And a pinch of Himalayan crystal salt does what? It adds the minerals and the electrolytes again. For what? So voltage can happen because that is how you hydrate and that is how you maintain healthy cells. So again, you go back to voltage, you go back to frequency. If you have distilled water, has no voltage, right? So that's just where that little pinch. So that's the easy thing for people do. RO, distill, add a pinch of Himalayan crystal salt. And then if you wanna start exploring, stay away from single-use plastic. Start to get maybe a little into the structuring side of, of the water. Help to influence that water a little bit.

• 1:32:19Darin Olien?

  Shake it up, uh, maybe get a little more oxygenation in there. Water doesn't like to be just sitting around. So, um, yeah, so that's a little bit on.

• 1:32:30Rich Roll?

  Alright.

• 1:32:30Darin Olien?

  What to do. So anyway, that's, it always seems to be the long part of the, my morning routine is water.

• 1:32:37Rich Roll?

  Well, hydration is your whole thing. I mean, the, the point being like, we're under hydrated. If people truly understood the power, the potency, the importance of hydration, it could really revolutionize your health.

• 1:32:50Darin Olien?

  Yeah, I mean, uh, one of the number one cause of fatigue. Uh, retention, uh, brain loss, the dementia and Alzheimer's definitely have a dehydrative component to that. When you look at the stats, I even mentioned this in my book, seven percent of 300 million people don't even drink an ounce of water a day, Rich. That's like-

• 1:33:14Rich Roll?

  How is that possible?

• 1:33:15Darin Olien?

  I know, because what's happened, what I believe is happening, when you wake up, your body has used that water, it's trying to repair the brain and the central nervous system and, and get out the toxins. You wake up, you're fatigued, you're tired. You reach for what you think you need energy for, so you reach for your coffee, your stimulants and everything else, and then you're in that cycle. But you're not actually reaching for water. And so, the brain and the being is so powerful that it will shut off that signal of just intense thirst, so that you can actually have enough mental capacity to primally try to find water again. But we're not. We're grabbing for the other stimulants again.

• 1:33:59Darin Olien?

  So it's a, it's a, it's a crazy thing, the, the body's so adaptive, that we literally will pass on dehydrative blueprints epidemiologically to your children. Because if you have trained yourself that this is a desert, I'm not drinking any water, then your body has to shut down certain systems. The skin's definitely gonna start to fail, your eyesight, your brain activity is gonna be less, you're gonna be fatigued. And if you've been doing that, you're gonna pass that on to your children-

• 1:34:32Rich Roll?

  Like an epigenetic way, you mean?

• 1:34:34Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:34Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you take one thing away from this podcast, it's start your day with a liter of water.

• 1:34:42Darin Olien?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:34:42Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So then, you know, from there, I just play a lot of elixirs and, and adaptogens and things like that. And then I have my morning routine and, you know, I get very clear on what I wanna do and my passions and alignments and meditative places I go to, uh, breathing routines. Uh, may seem like a lot, but it isn't, it's very efficient. And then- And then it's just getting clearer on what I want to do. And then I work out. And that's a lot of.

• 1:35:17Rich Roll?

  By the time you finish the morning workout, you've lived an entire day.

• 1:35:20Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:20Rich Roll?

  You get up at four, this process begins. And by 10 a.m. you're ready to start your day, but you've already had a whole day.

• 1:35:28Darin Olien?

  Yeah. So that's when I'll take like, make, maybe make a ridiculous, hugely huge bowl of like fruit and smoothie and throw a ton of barucas on top. And that's when I'll have my first meal after I've done all that, you know?

• 1:35:43Rich Roll?

  And you live alone with Chaga, your dog. So you have the ability to control your environment in a way that a lot of people don't. How was it when you were doing the show and you had to go to all these crazy places? Like I gathered from at least in Iceland, trying to, trying to eat plant-based there looked like it might've been a little bit of a challenge.

• 1:36:03Darin Olien?

  Yeah. I mean, you, you do realize throughout, you know, all of these traveling around, you realize that certain cultures, it's a lot more difficult. But, you know, luckily the word was out. So all these people and chefs and like, they made sure that it wasn't, it wasn't challenging.

• 1:36:23Darin Olien?

  But yeah, I mean, it's, I don't make it a big deal when people want to eat whatever they want. That's, that's on them.

• 1:36:31Rich Roll?

  Right. I thought it was interesting in the show, the point is made like, oh, you're vegan, but it's not belabored. It's not about that. And you're not like trying to, you know, make that at the forefront of, you know, what the show is about specifically.

• 1:36:45Darin Olien?

  Yeah. I mean, listen, I, you know, I've talked, I, I just want to lead by an example and also demystify that you can live a healthy, strong life eating plants. I mean, you know, it's ridiculous that, um, that is not perceived even, um, that, you know, you can get all the nutrients you want from infinitely more. So I don't like to hammer that in people, but, um.

• 1:37:19Darin Olien?

  I still kick ass and love it.

• 1:37:21Rich Roll?

  Well, you out sprinted Zach out in the field in France.

• 1:37:24Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah. And this TM's, this.

• 1:37:27Rich Roll?

  How did the plant-based diet rub off on him?

• 1:37:30Darin Olien?

  Listen, he's been in and out of that for a while. I think it's just, you gotta commit, man. You gotta commit to anything. And, you know, you know, being an, this isn't a Zach comment per se, but I've been around a lot of actors and you go in and out of these micro worlds and it can be draining. If you don't prepare and plan in and out of this intensity, then you can flip and flop all the time. You know, I saw it in my wife too, my ex-wife as an actress. So, you know, he believes in plants and medicinal plants and for sure. And he largely has been eating a lot of plants and mostly plants.

• 1:38:11Darin Olien?

  But, you know, I think for the show, he felt a little pressure too, to like, well, these chefs, and they're gonna make us all this stuff, so I should, you know.

• 1:38:19Rich Roll?

  Yeah. What else you got in your show and tell down there? You got some Barucas?

• 1:38:23Darin Olien?

  Oh, my God, dude. So this isn't even the right bag. Notice I put cacao. I'm gonna have you eat this.

• 1:38:30Rich Roll?

  You wrote it in pen. So last time you were on the podcast, this company had essentially recently launched Barucas, the Baru Nut Company, that are these incredibly delicious nutritious nuts that you've sourced from the Suratou in Brazil. And these things are unbelievably delicious.

• 1:38:51Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:52Rich Roll?

  You can't believe how good they taste. And then when you look at their nutritional profile, it's insane.

• 1:38:57Darin Olien?

  It's insane. So this dude.

• 1:39:00Rich Roll?

  Is that your butter?

• 1:39:01Darin Olien?

  This is the new butter. So they, so they, we put a wild cashew with Barucas before, and I told him, listen, give me some time, let me make a butter. Want you to try that.

• 1:39:12Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:13Darin Olien?

  Slide that over. Want you to try that. That is the best. So that's coming out. That is a Baruca butter with a little coconut oil.

• 1:39:24Rich Roll?

  Coconut oil.

• 1:39:27Rich Roll?

  Cinnamon?

• 1:39:28Darin Olien?

  Nope. It's got the fruit of the barucas in there. That's the crunchy stuff. And then a little bit of lowhanggao, which is called monk fruit. So it adds a little extra sweet to it. So that's coming out very soon, probably when this launches. Yeah. And then this one-

• 1:39:45Rich Roll?

  Oh my god. So you're gonna mass produce this?

• 1:39:47Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Those are from the factory in Brazil. I made some-

• 1:39:50Rich Roll?

  It's so much better than peanut butter or almond butter. Coconut oil, barunut.

• 1:39:58Darin Olien?

  And the fruit-

• 1:39:59Rich Roll?

  Monk fruit.

• 1:40:00Darin Olien?

  And the fruit of the barucas.

• 1:40:02Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:40:02Darin Olien?

  It's like-

• 1:40:03Rich Roll?

  Wow.

• 1:40:04Darin Olien?

  Perfect combo. So this, dude. Try some of those. So now this is fair trade cacao covered-

• 1:40:11Rich Roll?

  Oh my god.

• 1:40:12Darin Olien?

  Barucas.

• 1:40:13Rich Roll?

  So these are, this is the superfood equivalent of chocolate covered peanuts.

• 1:40:18Darin Olien?

  Oh yeah, man. And it tastes infinitely better.

• 1:40:22Rich Roll?

  Wow.

• 1:40:22Darin Olien?

  Those are crazy. So for anyone who doesn't know, the Barucas is one of those

• 1:40:31Darin Olien?

  companies where I, you know, I found this nut. It was basically offered to me and said, "Do you know about it?" "No, I don't." I looked into it. I explored it. I saw the nutritional profile. I actually didn't believe it because it was so superior than any nut that's ever been tested. So we tested it, got our own nutritional data, blew all the nuts away, complete protein, three times more fiber, 400% more antioxidants than almonds. It's a wild food. It's very rare to be eating wild food these days, right? So it's naturally collected throughout the Sahadu,

• 1:41:18Darin Olien?

  supporting all these indigenous foragers.

• 1:41:21Rich Roll?

  Not just supporting them, but basically creating a buffer, like a preventative zone, to compete against the encroaching cattle ranchers who want to clear this land.

• 1:41:32Darin Olien?

  Yeah. And also going back to the cattle ranchers that also have it going, hey, we'll give you trees to plant some of these back so that you have shade for your cattle. And so we're starting to, starting to those conversations. So it supports the people. It supports people by eating it because it's so nutrient dense and it's delicious. And we're planting trees and also other biodiverse plants in the Sahado again. Because the Sahado, people don't realize it's being destroyed faster than any land mass on the planet. So for unsustainable.

• 1:42:07Rich Roll?

  We don't hear a lot about the Sahado. We hear about the Amazon.

• 1:42:10Darin Olien?

  I know.

• 1:42:10Rich Roll?

  But the Sahado is like a, it's more, it's a drier kind of plain-like environment. Right?

• 1:42:17Darin Olien?

  Yeah, so most of the plant.

• 1:42:21Rich Roll?

  The biomass is underground.

• 1:42:23Darin Olien?

  The biomass is underground. So you have the Badozeta tree, it's got a very deep taproot. And that's where the Baruca comes from and it taps the aquifer below. So it doesn't need this auxiliary water. So this is all, again, it's wild. There's no pesticides, herbicides, there's no irrigation inputs. It's from the wild. And so we're getting to support that natural biome and then actually help planting the trees. So every, so our basic motto is every five pounds we sell, we plant, we plant a tree. And so we're, we're super proud of that and, um, and getting this out. And again, we, we, this is, this is again, a no-brainer.

• 1:43:07Darin Olien?

  We had to create our business model this way. And this is where we all have to go.

• 1:43:13Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Darin Olien?

  And supporting the people, supporting the environment and supporting the customers that are getting a nutrient-dense food.

• 1:43:23Rich Roll?

  The trick with these things is they come encased in a massive shell, like the fruit, right? It's unbelievably hard and you have to like, essentially, historically, they've done this one by one, right? By hand?

• 1:43:37Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:38Rich Roll?

  And the trick is trying to figure out a way to scale this.

• 1:43:41Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Rich Roll?

  So that you can like devise some kind of machine to do it or how, what's going on with that?

• 1:43:47Darin Olien?

  Yeah, so we're still, I mean, we've made progress, but we're still trying to continue to develop better and better mechanisms to crack that shell. You can't use existing. Nut cracking because different sizes, different kind of shell, we're shaving the fruit from the outside and using the fruit. It's just a, but historically, they used to, thousands of years ago, they'd take the whole fruit. So when I say the whole fruit, it's got the fruit layer, it's got the shell, it's got one seed.

• 1:44:20Rich Roll?

  Right, one, one per thing, yeah.

• 1:44:23Darin Olien?

  Yeah, and you can't.

• 1:44:24Rich Roll?

  It's unbelievably labor intensive for one seed.

• 1:44:26Darin Olien?

  And you can't pick it early. It has to fall because it doesn't actually develop the seed until at the very end. And so they pick it up and typically they put it around a fire and, and then on the outside of the fire, it would roast it overnight and then it was easier to break open, then they would eat it. But when we showed up, they were like hitting them with rocks and machetes and, and things like that. So we've started to automate using hydraulics and other things like that. So we're continuing to develop. But yeah, it's, it's, it's creating an economy that was largely, these doors were being lost.

• 1:45:08Darin Olien?

  I mean, these people are shutting their doors to this, this even within the country. So we're super proud that we have, have allowed for this indigenous plant to still be around and then to develop it in the country itself because we're very happy that we're starting to distribute all throughout Brazil too. It's not just bring it here and sell it, you know, we're selling it all throughout.

• 1:45:32Rich Roll?

  What about the trail mix? Did you bring any of that?

• 1:45:34Darin Olien?

  Oh, I didn't. The trail mix.

• 1:45:36Rich Roll?

  That stuff is so good.

• 1:45:37Darin Olien?

  Yeah, sorry. So the trail mix.

• 1:45:39Rich Roll?

  It's also like an amazing breakfast cereal. It's unbelievable.

• 1:45:42Darin Olien?

  Hundred percent. So the trail mix for everyone, this is the nut with the fruit layer that's dried and we add it together and it's just a ridiculous combination.

• 1:45:52Rich Roll?

  Can, is this, this is basically like direct to consumer right now? I mean, it's in some retail outlets, right? But you can just go to the website and find it.

• 1:46:00Darin Olien?

  The website's there, barucas.com and then we'll have a, we have a, you've, you've got a promo code. And a discount code, I think.

• 1:46:09Rich Roll?

  I think so. What is it? I should know that.

• 1:46:11Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:11Rich Roll?

  I don't know. It's probably barucas.com/richroll, I suspect, but I'll put it in the show notes.

• 1:46:17Darin Olien?

  Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, and, and we love your customers because they care. They care about the environment. They care about their nutrition and they care about the way we're sustainably working with this, this important, not only business model, but this sacred nut that we've got to support.

• 1:46:41Rich Roll?

  It's cool.

• 1:46:41Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:42Rich Roll?

  So, how's the podcast journey been for you?

• 1:46:45Darin Olien?

  Oh, man.

• 1:46:46Rich Roll?

  How many episodes have you done now?

• 1:46:48Darin Olien?

  Uh, I think, I think by the, by us talking here, I think it's 13 or 14 episodes.

• 1:46:56Rich Roll?

  Welcome to the club.

• 1:46:58Darin Olien?

  Thank you. Yeah, it was great timing. I mean, I have a.

• 1:47:03Rich Roll?

  I mean, for you to launch it, essentially just have like, how many episodes did you have out when the show launched?

• 1:47:10Darin Olien?

  I don't know, maybe eight, nine?

• 1:47:12Rich Roll?

  I mean, I know that it wasn't, that timing wasn't by design, but it's, it, it, it was brilliant.

• 1:47:19Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:19Rich Roll?

  You did those things together.

• 1:47:21Darin Olien?

  Yeah, I was, I was working on the podcast for a while, as you know, and, you know, just figuring it out. I had this great company Amplify out of Australia, who's the engineers behind it. So they took off that burden and that labor. And so I just started getting used to just interviewing people and doing that stuff. And so I've had a bunch in the can. And again, you know, the, the TV show was supposed to come out a year ago.

• 1:47:46Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:47:46Darin Olien?

  And so it was just by divine plan that this all just lined up together. I launched the one, two, one tribe app, which is a, uh, some recipes and functional training and information and water tracking.

• 1:48:03Darin Olien?

  And the podcast, it all just, and then, then, then we got the, I didn't know when Netflix was gonna launch it. We all didn't know.

• 1:48:11Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:48:12Darin Olien?

  And then all of a sudden, the last minute, they gave us this date. And I'm like, wow. Okay.

• 1:48:18Rich Roll?

  Yeah, people think that you have control over those things.

• 1:48:21Darin Olien?

  No, no.

• 1:48:22Rich Roll?

  You had no idea.

• 1:48:23Darin Olien?

  Which is why I, I just like, well, okay, so I'm potentially developing another TV show. I'm staying focused on the podcast. And I'm gonna get that out. I'm gonna stay focused on this one two one tribe app. I'm just gonna keep creating because I am dedicated to what I'm doing. And then I'm working on the sustainable stuff on the side, not really on the side, but on the forefront. But it takes a long time to develop some of these energy tech solutions with these groups. And so I just creating and it just happened.

• 1:48:53Rich Roll?

  Well, it's a great example of, of luck and hard work meets opportunity and luck, right? Like you just were plowing ahead, not waiting, sitting around waiting for the Netflix show to come out. Like you created all this other stuff and divine timing kind of, you know, coincided to have these things all percolate right around the same time and yeah, sort of feed each other.

• 1:49:16Darin Olien?

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:49:17Rich Roll?

  It's cool.

• 1:49:17Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Rich Roll?

  But the podcast, you seem like you're having fun with it.

• 1:49:21Darin Olien?

  I love it.

• 1:49:21Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:21Darin Olien?

  I, I, you know, listen, dude, I mean, you know, being here with you, like just us talking and, and getting into stuff about things we care about. I love it. And I, and there's voices that haven't been heard and there's stories within every person using this microphone as a conscious collaborator and, and, you know, ear to our conversation is fantastic.

• 1:49:52Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:52Darin Olien?

  And I love it. And I'm learning, as you know, so much and exploring in my entrepreneurial brain. And DNA is just like, oh my God, let's do more stuff with all of these great people. So yeah, I'm enjoying it a lot.

• 1:50:09Rich Roll?

  I think what you can bring to this that I haven't seen yet is shining a light on some of these amazing people that you know, because of all the travels that you've gone on, and people that no one's ever heard of, who are, who are like doing incredible things, super obscurely. And you can be like, tell everyone about this, right? You know?

• 1:50:28Darin Olien?

  Yeah, I mean, if people want to check out, like, a perfect example of that is episode number two with my buddy Chris Patton. You can't even Google search him. Nothing will show up. And this guy's been dedicated to the planet and clean energy tech for 20 years. And his life is centered around the civil unrest in Western Africa in the 90s, when it blew up, and he was stabbed, and he was shot, and he's lost all his friends. And, and he survived it.

• 1:50:58Rich Roll?

  Is this the blood diamond guy?

• 1:50:59Darin Olien?

  This is the blood diamond. So he sold his rights of part of that journey into the, what was now the Blood Diamond movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. And yeah, they took some liberties and making it, made it into a blood diamond situation, but that wasn't what he was doing. But it was that, that he, and then he spent the next 20 years dedicating his life to figuring out what energy systems from underground Russian scientists to obscure Tesla technology, and his own science team, and working directly with NASA, and developing technology of lunar habitat, power systems. From what we know now, it's the only power

• 1:51:44Darin Olien?

  systems that they've signed off on. So this guy, and I've known him for 17 years, and we resonate in this way of commitment, I think. He's

• 1:51:57Darin Olien?

  Utterly committed to not having this planet fall apart in our hands to create better uses of non-nuclear, no emissions, no waste power systems. And he's done it. And I can't wait to scream from the highest mountaintops on what he's doing and what we're involved with.

• 1:52:22Rich Roll?

  Yeah, more guys like that, right?

• 1:52:23Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:24Rich Roll?

  Cool. Well, I can't let you go without leaving, leaving people with a couple of things that they can take with them. The show did such a great job of, of talking about a lot of the stuff that you care about in a very macro sense. Like we go to Iceland and we see how they're generating sustainable power. But it's like, all right, well, what can I, you know, what, what am I, how do I translate that into something actionable in my day to day life? So I think, you know, it would be great through the lens of sustainability and, and personal health to leave people with a couple of simple practices that they could think about and perhaps integrate into their lives that would help them.

• 1:53:05Darin Olien?

  Well, I think that's more clear. Thank you. And I think more clear than ever, people need to be healthy. They need to stop distracting themselves and eat more plants and figure out a program that's going to work and get healthy because we need strong people to do that.

• 1:53:23Rich Roll?

  Give me a little vegan bicep flex right now. There you go. Come on.

• 1:53:30Darin Olien?

  Dude, so, so we need strong, healthy, happy people, non-judgmentally kicking ass in their life. And I really believe that's the purpose of health so that you can kick ass in your life and have the fulfilling life you want. So you're not miserable with a chemistry set that isn't working. So find a different way. If it's, you know, your app, if it's my app, the one, two, one tribe, if it's finding a group of people even online or whatever that you can move and explore and just, you know, find recipes that work, eat better, hydrate yourself without a doubt. That's the, that's the easiest one. I think

• 1:54:10Darin Olien?

  environmentally, and it may feel like people have heard this before, but single use plastic, my God, we need to stop, quit buying. You know, cartons and containers and water bottles that you're literally just using and throwing away. Unless you have a technology that you're able to use paralysis and break down the plastic and turning into fuel for your Tesla, which actually exists, so I, so I'm mentioning it for a reason. Unless you have that technology, stop using the, the single use plastic, do everything you can. And, and this goes hand in hand to that is start being aware

• 1:54:52Darin Olien?

  of the unsustainable business practices of companies and big companies and support, and maybe pay a little extra money for your food, for your conveniences, to support companies that are doing things right. Supporting companies that are being transparent with what they're doing and what they're offering. And that is absolutely something you can do right now and demand that. Support those small, of course, right now, support the small businesses right now. And if anything, I know so many more from all of them reaching out from the show, that there is great people doing incredible things that people don't know about.

• 1:55:36Darin Olien?

  So, look at your dental floss, that Glide dental floss that is creating, putting toxins in your liver by this chemicals of, of PGAs and all of this other, stop using that company, because that company doesn't give a shit about you. Use a bamboo string or whatever, like, that's literally what I'm saying. Stop the toxic exposure to yourself and your life, and support companies that are actually giving a shit about you. I think those are a lot of things that we can do, um, to... Put attention on what needs attention and stop putting your hard-earned money and attention on companies that don't care and have never cared.

• 1:56:22Rich Roll?

  People are busy. They don't want to, or they don't have the bandwidth to devote the energy and time to trying to figure out who's doing things right and who isn't. Are there any resources that you rely on to figure that out? Like, where do you go to learn?

• 1:56:36Darin Olien?

  That's a great question. Actually, I'm trying to mobilize and use a sub-part of the app as that, kind of a wellness warrior ambassador program. I don't know the name yet, but we have started an outline to, to create attention towards brands that are doing things right, create current events that are, and charities and organizations that are doing things right. So, so I'm just now starting that. I'm starting that with, you know, the Generation Z kids, so, so that they can mobilize themselves in that direction. But, but no, I don't, I don't know. And this is something that we all need to know a little bit more

• 1:57:19Darin Olien?

  about, not being preached to, but replacing those things that we're doing on a daily basis, because we're, we're using single-use plastic way too much, and we can stop that.

• 1:57:33Darin Olien?

  And we're also just not aware of, you know, that's why I do a segment on the, on the podcast called Fatal Conveniences, where I reveal some of these things that you don't even realize you're doing, to then have this chemical that you're being exposed to, but then have a solution for it. So, we do need to move in that direction. And all the listeners, please reach out to me and reach out to Rich and give us suggestions, because I definitely want to support that movement.

• 1:58:04Rich Roll?

  Yeah. I watched this movie the other night called An American Pickle with Seth Rogen. It premiered on HBO. And the young, Seth Rogen plays two characters. He plays his great-grandfather and he, and great-grandson at the same time. And the great-grandson is like, this kid living in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. He's an app developer and he's working on this app that he came up with, that is that very thing, where you hold your phone up, the camera on your phone, and you hold it up to a product, and then it runs it through some calculus and database and comes up with a score and gives you its environmental... Footprint and impact and ingredients and toxins and all of that. And I was like, we should have that. That should be a thing that exists in the world.

• 1:58:48Darin Olien?

  Absolutely.

• 1:58:49Rich Roll?

  You know?

• 1:58:49Darin Olien?

  Let's do it.

• 1:58:50Rich Roll?

  Maybe there's some version of that out there. If somebody knows, let me know, because I would like to know.

• 1:58:54Darin Olien?

  Let's do it.

• 1:58:55Rich Roll?

  Maybe you should build that, Darren.

• 1:58:56Darin Olien?

  Maybe we should build it.

• 1:58:57Rich Roll?

  Maybe you should call Seth Rogen and see how he did it.

• 1:59:00Darin Olien?

  Okay, call Seth Rogen. I know, I can get to him.

• 1:59:03Rich Roll?

  You can, okay.

• 1:59:06Rich Roll?

  Good man. I love you, brother. Thank you so much for doing this. I'm so proud of you. Your success is so overdue and well-earned. I mean, what year did Superlife come out? Like four or five years ago?

• 1:59:19Darin Olien?

  Yeah, the end of 15.

• 1:59:21Rich Roll?

  Have there been, how many other books came out? And then made the New York Times Bestseller list like five years later?

• 1:59:28Darin Olien?

  I don't know. I mean, you know, that's the funny thing.

• 1:59:32Rich Roll?

  It's so cool.

• 1:59:33Darin Olien?

  Because, and thank you. And, you know, I think you remember, I chose to just take an organic route with the book, just like, just let it out and let it have its own, I didn't want to, you know, there's a weird world.

• 1:59:48Rich Roll?

  It happened because it was supposed to happen, not because you forced it.

• 1:59:51Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:52Rich Roll?

  You know, and there's a beautiful lesson in that, I think.

• 1:59:55Darin Olien?

  Yeah, yeah, man. But I thank you. And this full circle of the show kind of being birthed by our conversation here because of Zach Heard Something that you allowed me to share from and the space that you provide. I see the, your opening and your ability to constantly have incredible conversations with people. And I'm proud of you because I know also that you've stretched yourself to have the success and had vulnerability in order to expand to this level.

• 2:00:39Darin Olien?

  I remember those conversations and I'm equally proud of you.

• 2:00:42Rich Roll?

  Yeah, thanks, brother. It's been a journey.

• 2:00:45Darin Olien?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:46Rich Roll?

  Proud to take it and blaze it with you.

• 2:00:48Darin Olien?

  Yeah, man.

• 2:00:49Rich Roll?

  So you're welcome here anytime. Proud to be your friend and keep rocking it, man.

• 2:00:54Darin Olien?

  I plan on it.

• 2:00:55Rich Roll?

  So if you want to connect with Darren, at Darren Olean on his Instagram, it's blowing up like crazy. The book is Superlife, Baruchos, baruchos.com, some kind of promo code, maybe I'll let you guys know. And what else, man? The 121 Tribe app, which is pretty cool.

• 2:01:13Darin Olien?

  121tribe.com. Yep, people can go there. There's three free days. You can get some movement, plants, some breathing stuff, and you can check it out. You can buy it if you want, but it's free.

• 2:01:27Rich Roll?

  And Down to Earth on Netflix.

• 2:01:29Darin Olien?

  Down to Earth.

• 2:01:29Rich Roll?

  And I was gonna ask you, what do you have coming up? But that's like another three hour podcast.

• 2:01:34Darin Olien?

  Yep.

• 2:01:36Rich Roll?

  So just an excuse to have you come back.

• 2:01:38Darin Olien?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:01:39Rich Roll?

  All right. Peace, brother. Love you.

• 2:01:40Darin Olien?

  Peace. Love you too.

• 2:01:46Rich Roll?

  Killer human, that Darren Olean. Hope you guys enjoyed that. I just love that guy. Be sure to give him a follow on the socials. He's at underscore Darren Olean on Instagram where he's exploding. He's also at Darren Olean on Twitter, but Instagram is really his jam. Check out his book, Superlife, his podcast, The Darren Olean Show, 121tribe.com, and visit baruchos.com/richroll to receive 15% off one of the tastiest superfoods and also the most nutritious I've ever tried in my life. And as always, visit the show notes on the episode page at richroll.com to dive deeper into Darren's world and all the amazing subjects we discussed today. If you'd like to support the work we do here on the show, subscribe, rate, and comment on the program.

• 2:02:29Rich Roll?

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• 2:03:13Rich Roll?

  my boys. Thanks for the love, you guys. See you back here in how long? Couple of days, I think. Well, we have another roll on scheduled, but Adam Skolnick's wife is about to go into labor at any minute, so we'll see what happens. If he's having a baby, there might not be a podcast and we'll have to figure out what to do. In any event, hopefully, we will be on schedule and on time. If not, we'll figure out something else to do. Until then, treat yourselves right. Get outside, nourish yourselves, love one another, expand, be empathetic, share what you've learned along the way, and be grateful. Peace. Platts. Namaste.