Replica or Recreation?; THAT New Car Law; GT500 Review

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman drive the Revology 1967 GT500 and ponder the difference between "replica" and "recreation"; the gov. has mandated your car spies on you; Mercedes project update; and Patreon questions include: Will fun cars get cheaper as people die? Favorite "appropriate" story from a Road & Track trip. How to avoid ruining your canyon car Rich man / poor man: seat setup edition Does the Coyote engine "ruin" an old car? Why LHD cars are worth more than RHD More fun: Fresh summer tires or worn winter tires? Engines that would be improved with more or fewer cylinders VW's sale of Bugatti's effect on car values Rebuild my BMW inline-4 or swap it for a 6? Mustang Dark Horse auto: a buy at $50k? Do only journos care about the Nissan Z chassis Ford ditching the Shelby name Proudest work moment Forks up or down? And more! Recorded May 1, 2026 Aura Frames Exclusive $25-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/TIRE. Promo Code TIRE HimsFor simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/TIRE. TrueWerk Upgrade to the T2 WerkPant and stay comfortable no matter what the day brings. Get 15% off your first order at https://TRUEWERK.com with code tire. Drive Podcast Listen to Drive with Jim Farley Season 4 at https://lnk.to/drivewithjimfarleyPS!thesmokingtire Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Your generous donation to Dream Giveaway goes directly to New Beginning Children's Homes, a 501(c)(3) organization (Federal ID# 27-5011514). Thanks to your donations, unrestricted grants are awarded to charities such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), Honor Flight of West Central Florida, 4Kids, National Guard Educational Foundation, Victory Junction, Building Homes For Heroes, and Healing4Heroes⁠ ⁠To read more about Dream Giveaway and the charities our giveaways help benefit. https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/about.

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you as always by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here at the Smoking Tire because they're looking out for us, just like they're looking out for all of you. And how do I know they're looking out for all of you? Because not a week goes by that I don't hear from two or three of you folks that Off the Record saved your bums. What does that mean? It means you didn't plead guilty, you got Off the Record at offthercord.com/tst. They fought the ticket for you and they won. And everyone else out there, you can do it too. If you get a moving violation, don't plead guilty,

• 0:39Matt Farah?

  get Off the Record. That's offthercord.com/tst. They will fight that ticket for you. In the vast majority of times, they will win. And then you'll be emailing me that screenshot of the dismissal that we are all looking for. One more time, offthercord.com/tst. And on this episode of the Smoking Tire Podcast, we are driving a Revology GT500. This is a 1967 Shelby that contains no parts from 1967. Very interesting. Plus, I have an update on the Project Mercedes, a secret racing technique from Tommy Kendall that I'm now practicing in my free time, the

• 1:24Matt Farah?

  new driver monitoring bill, and what is the difference between a replica and a recreation? That's today on the Smoking Tire. Hi, everybody. Shout out to the captain and this cyclist. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast on motion, en route. A car podcast from a car. Somebody should do a car show in a car. Someone should do that. Maybe with coffee involved. This is a new idea. I just saw some like AI slop Instagram thing that was all, someone sued Seinfeld for a hundred million dollars for stealing that idea. Which may be true, but it still came from AI slop,

• 2:05Matt Farah?

  Instagram content. If it's a little loud in here, that's because we're in the Revology 1967 GT500.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  It's the fucking titties, I would think is an official term is this car is the fucking titties. It is the bodacious tatas. It is the delightful bazongas.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever heard you speak this fondly about any car from the 60s that wasn't from Germany.

• 2:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right. And that's because unshitboxing vehicles is very difficult, right? And that's why most people don't do it. But like this company just built a whole new one from scratch.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, they use modern engineering.

• 2:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  And they heard everyone's complaints from 60 years ago and whatever. And then they go, all right, how do we make it look exactly the same? But get rid of all those rattles and problems and stuff. And they've done an absolutely phenomenal job.

• 3:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's fucking stellar, dude. And there's, you know, there's a couple of things that are not maybe into my eye touch. Not quite up to the, this one is $380,000 price tag. But dynamically, nine out of 10?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think for what it is, it's like it's a nine out of 10. Um, there's a few things, the brake pedal being too soft at the top.

• 3:44Matt Farah?

  That's what I would say could make it a 10.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  That would make it a 10.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  Brakes that are like super confidence inspiring.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  It just feels like the beginning of the pedal is moving, but doing zero.

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  And then it comes into play later and they seem to grab all right.

• 3:59Matt Farah?

  It's not hard to stop the car. It's just hard to heel toe. Because that, the spot where this pedal is dead is the spot where you need your toe to be in order to heel.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  Cause my toe is too far down. Once I get to actual brake pressure.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Oh, I got you. You're too far down the travel.

• 4:20Matt Farah?

  I've got, I've got to come back now, you know what I mean? But like that notwithstanding, like there's just so many things I enjoy about this because the body still moves like those cars in 60s chase scenes move a little bit. But like in a much more controlled way. Like more controlled, more predictable, more grip. Um, and the steering is like, I don't know, I, I assume the ratio is different from when it was stock. But there's just virtually no slop in it. And something about this wood-rimmed, like, nardy steering wheel just makes me so happy.

• 5:05Matt Farah?

  Especially in the city, when I can like palm wheel it a bit. I feel cool as fuck, dude.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  It, it, it makes you feel very, very cool. And I think that's what, that's what muscle cars used to do for me. Is they made me feel tough. Cause it's got like a good, deep growl to it all the time and it's,

• 5:21Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  You know, it's like the bad guy's car or whatever. Or in this case, it's the good guy's car.

• 5:26Matt Farah?

  Um, Like usually you'd have to put up with a car being kind of a shit box in order to get that attitude of cool. But like this one, like it, it's not, that's nice. It's not, uh, it's not rattly or shaky or like it, it essentially

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  rides and feels and, and, and and in most ways is kinda like a new Mustang. But to the things I touch, isn't. It's sweet.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  And most of the things you see look old.

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  I mean, with the exception of like the stereo and some other things we could get to, but if you, like, if you turn the stereo off and the AC off and you're on the highway at 70, I feel like the noise is almost as quiet as a new Mustang, new Camaro. You just get a little whistle off these side scoops that do nothing, which is silly.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  The side, the scoops to nowhere.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  They pass through or they're just a pocket that catches air and slows you down.

• 6:25Matt Farah?

  It's really funny to think about the scoops to nowhere. And, and we really only ever gave it much thought for the first time, or at least I only did, like today. Like in the late 1960s, they've just won. You know, LeMans with the GT40s that have those trademark side scoops. Here's this front engine car that absolutely does not need them. But they could capitalize on the styling familiarity of them. How funny.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  That's true, and I think I used to, I used to talk a lot of crap about some of the aftermarket companies that would stick on scoops.

• 7:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  And I'd go, "These are so dumb, they're non-functional." I didn't realize at the time that these cars from the 60s had non-functional scoops.

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  You know, I'm curious, I wonder if the race cars, if they cut a hole and then they would like cool the diff, or they could send cold air to the brakes. But obviously, the road cars, like the GT500 back in the day was the 911 Turbo S. Like, it was the most expensive one.

• 7:27Matt Farah?

  I have an aggressive.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  It was kind of a gentleman's car.

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  Aggressive Miata behind me, I'm gonna give them a point buy as soon as I, uh, yeah, sorry, yeah, no, go ahead, the GT500.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  It was just, it was the most expensive one, it was fast, but it wasn't a, like, Canyon track car. That was the GT350's job.

• 7:46Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  So they're not gonna have, you know, diff coolers coming from the scoops. But to your point, they wanna peacock a bit.

• 7:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  And it's also the 60s where you got things like the Judge. Like, everything then was.

• 7:56Matt Farah?

  Everything was a cartoon.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Graphics and scoops, everything was a cartoon and trying to, it was all tatas, trying to draw attention. That's awesome.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  Dude, that was dope.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Classic cop car.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  Murdered out Caprice with fucking NASCAR stealies on it.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  That was really cool.

• 8:11Matt Farah?

  That's a man of taste.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  I hope it handles and drives well.

• 8:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But, uh, so Revology, this company, and by the way, I, I should say, and there's gonna be a disclaimer in the video, I financially benefit by Revology keeping their press cars at WCCS. They store them there, they pay my business to store them. And so this, this is a company that I do earn money from by renting them space for their press cars, okay? So if you think that invalidates what I'm saying about the car, I understand, that's fine, I have a conflict of interest.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  They'll sell you essentially the same powertrain and performance package across their whole model line, manual or automatic, NA or supercharged, but with any body from the 1960s. So you can have your 65 convertible or coupe, narrow wheels, total sleeper with the blower, all the way up to your Boss 429s and your GT 500s and everything in between. And the prices sort of vary from like the middle 200s to the high 300s. And this is pretty much at the top tier of what they do.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:34Matt Farah?

  But if you're listening, listen.

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, yes. It's very, very nice.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Well, also, if people are worried that, you know, your words have been bought and paid for, you pointed out a lot of negatives.

• 9:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  In our video review we shot, you actually, we did a breakaway where you point out all the things you don't like about the interior. I didn't do it, Matt did it.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  There are a few things. These, these switches, which are in my peripheral constantly, which are the win, the inner window switches, because you have on the door, those fake window cranks.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Which I love.

• 10:14Matt Farah?

  Which are cool. But then there's a redundant switch on the dash, and that redundant switch is like straight up Radio Shack.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  It's Radio Shack, and it's right, you know, in front of the shifter. And, you know, but like, what we have for people listening, the whole center console is brushed aluminum. So it's very bright, and it's very obvious when suddenly there's two black rectangles that look like they come off a boat.

• 10:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  And that's what rolls the window down. So that looks terrible. And then above it, we have a doubled in stereo that doesn't look good. Look, the graphics are gold, but it's also slightly at an angle. Like, it's not mounted, it's not squared off with the rest of the dash.

• 10:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's not great.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  And it's so, it's just, there's a, there's like four things that in this car are surprising. Like surprisingly cheap feeling or looking when so many other things look and feel expensive. Like the HVAC controls are awesome. Like it feels like metal, the slide action's really nice, the gauges are beautiful. The metalwork here on the dash is awesome. And then, you know, you go to put the window down.

• 11:19Matt Farah?

  The top half, the top of the dash is fabulous.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:23Matt Farah?

  The bottom, the center console, not so much.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:26Matt Farah?

  But the driving is awesome.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:29Matt Farah?

  Um, it's, it's like, it really is how I would prefer all muscle cars drove. If all muscle cars drove like this, I'd like muscle cars.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  I think this is what a lot of the Resto Mod Pro Touring community was after.

• 11:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  But they were trying to do it, you know.

• 11:49Matt Farah?

  To the old car.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, because that's what you had. So the first step was subframes, right? And that would allow you to get different suspension or steering racks. That's the car.

• 11:58Matt Farah?

  There it goes. Somebody had a bad day.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Someone had a bad morning.

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  And this was messy.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, around here.

• 12:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, go on.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  And then, you know, the next step was like an Art Morrison chassis. You get a full chassis in there and that's going to allow you to have a much more rigid platform. The suspension you put on will, will benefit more. Um, but this is obviously the nth degree. You have a whole new unibody, you know, engineered as perfectly as you can. And I think it really speaks, it really comes through in your hands and the way it handles, the way it corners. Like it's really, it's great. What does this guy do?

• 12:34Matt Farah?

  Moving out of the way for us. Like a kind gentleman.

• 12:40Matt Farah?

  Everybody loves this car.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:42Matt Farah?

  Everybody thumbs up. Did you see the guy going the other way on the big bagger bike?

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, doing a fist bump.

• 12:48Matt Farah?

  Fucking hell yeah, brother. Everybody loves this thing. I parked it outside Blue Bottle, got myself a Shakerato yesterday afternoon. Dude, every man stopped and took the, took a picture.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. And across every age demo.

• 13:05Matt Farah?

  At first glance, I mean, not even at first glance, at most glances, this looks like, to the untrained eye, just a beautifully restored 67.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 13:18Matt Farah?

  Like it, it, because it's, it's not. It's not like resto modded. It doesn't have like extra louvers or extra anything or reshape this like it looks like you think it's supposed to look like you're expecting. But then underneath.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  It's hell yeah. It kind of, it drives like a new GT.

• 13:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  You know, with like a track pack. But then when you get out, the proportions are still right and the size is still correct for the old car. And we saw a car up at Good Vibes this morning where they tried to take an old shaped body and put it on a new car. And they had to stretch all the proportions because you're taking a car that was made 60 years ago. When everything was, when those cars were smaller, you can't do that. The proportions will not translate. You can't just scale up.

• 14:07Matt Farah?

  That was brutal dude.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it didn't, it just completely changed the shape of the car. So this is accurate because it's the right size.

• 14:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all the proportions are right and, and because it's not, it's not fully a new GT underneath. It's a new GT as far back as the gearbox. The rear end is a solid rear axle with a Watts link. So it's not like overly modernized. It still kinda drives like a muscle car. Just a much more refined one.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they get about 85%

• 14:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  of what the muscle car vibe is. And the other 15 of that comes from things that most people see as negatives.

• 14:53Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  You know, if you're a muscle car fan, which I am, I grew up with one in high school. You know, imperfections, rattles, smells, the sound, all that stuff like you kind of come to like that. But only because it's what you have, it's the price you have to pay.

• 15:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  And so this doesn't have all those things. It's a little quieter in here and you, I think you lose a little bit of the violence. The romantic violence that old cars have. But the benefit is I would drive this across the country.

• 15:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  I mean, and

• 15:20Matt Farah?

  I would daily it.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:21Matt Farah?

  Are you suggesting

• 15:24Matt Farah?

  this is not violent?

• 15:27Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, that's so fast, dude.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  It's very fast.

• 15:30Matt Farah?

  It's so fast.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  This is faster than any old thing I've ever driven. Because the power just gets down. It's put down to the wheels.

• 15:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's so fast.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  And you look at the speedo, and again, speaking of the refinement, it's so quiet and smooth in here that when I looked down at the speedo earlier, I was like, oh, I'm going that fast? Like, that's what German cars do.

• 15:50Matt Farah?

  It's not a 10 tenths car, right? I'm not inspired to take it like to a track day per se. Although, somebody might. I'm not, I'm not inspired to do that. But like, dude, this open sweeper life, the drive to Palm Springs life, the rip it up PCH for Car Week life, I am seriously about, you know?

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it shines at that. I think there's just, there's too much metal under the hood to handle really good for a track day. Like, when we were going up to Good Vibes, I think I hit like the 8 tenths line, and then you start to see the lean in the front.

• 16:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  In the corners. It's just a lot of weight. If I was gonna get one of these, I'd probably just get the NA engine.

• 16:34Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Save some weight. It's still gonna be really fast. It's gonna sound almost the same. And what's funny is, in this car, you don't really hear the blower whine, but when outside of the car, you hear a ton of it.

• 16:44Matt Farah?

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• 17:28Matt Farah?

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• 21:12Matt Farah?

  I think my favorite body style that I've seen so far is the 70 Boss 302, which has the updated interior and the high back seats. Uh, I prefer that. Just preference. But also I saw a Shelby GT350 66 that was absolutely delectable. Uh, and those have a slightly different interior to this one as well. But.

• 21:42Matt Farah?

  The door slam on these things is like a modern car and I absolutely love that. And the effort is barely more than driving a modern car. And I love that. But it's just like, yeah, it drives kinda like a new GT, but like rawr.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:59Matt Farah?

  It's, it's not, it's not as, it's not, it doesn't have all the sound insulation. You hear a little more of what's going on through the tires.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  You see more, I mean like the A pillars are small, like the, the GTs are huge these days.

• 22:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  So this, I think this is like, if you close your eyes, you get a lot of new GT, but when you open them, obviously you get 67 GT 500. And the size is nice.

• 22:21Matt Farah?

  Would you at this stop sign, por favor, please double check that the hood is latched properly? I'm looking at it and it just looks...

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Is it wiggling?

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  It's not wiggling, but it, it doesn't look like it's quite lined up. And will you just take it, is yours through your shirt?

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, sorry, I, I got, okay.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Fine.

• 22:42Matt Farah?

  Sorry.

• 22:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Good opportunity to have a sip of water.

• 22:59Matt Farah?

  That's good?

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:00Matt Farah?

  Alright, cool.

• 23:03Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  It is latched. Okay.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  It, uh...

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  Okay. There's just, uh, I guess, uh, slight, very slight hood misalignment. But in a way that if it, like, that looks like it could have been, you know? And I didn't want to find out the hard way.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 23:40Matt Farah?

  So anyway.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Jump on the highway.

• 23:42Matt Farah?

  I love, I love the gauge, the ga- the whole gauge cluster. I absolutely am vibing with.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:49Matt Farah?

  I, I love the amount of space, the legroom, the fact this rear seat folds down and you have the, a huge hatchback. You could put like a drum kit back there.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  I think there's speakers between, there's the wall, right?

• 24:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  So if you didn't have the speakers, you could. The only other negative is like, I think these seats,

• 24:07Speaker 01

  they just don't work for me. Like they, they sit too high up, but they're manual sliders. So it's almost like they took an electric seat and they used the stock bracket that came with it, but then they use a manual slider because it just seems like there's a ton of dead space under it. And so I'm just sitting a lot higher than I'd like to be.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  You know, I don't know if that's where like, this thing is, you know, 380, it's not 700 a million. And that's why if you compare it to cars that are that expensive.

• 24:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Singer stuff, Gunther, like all, everything should be perfect because it costs all the money in the world, but I think, I don't know, a Sparkle seat with a little better shape mounted lower, I don't know, what's that, $2,000? Like if you're spending 380, all right, charge me 385.

• 24:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  And just give me a different low back seat that has a better contour for it.

• 24:53Matt Farah?

  I agree. I don't, I don't, I think this seat isn't great and I would like one with a little more side bolstering or something. I mean, you can make it look right.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

  And still have a little bit more support.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, but in the important bits, the dynamics, the tightness, the quality.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:13Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's like a 95 out of a hundred.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  It's, it's a, it's,

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  yeah. It's a brake pedal feel away from being a 99, you know?

• 25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:29Matt Farah?

  But whoever did the damping, bravo.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, the suspension is great.

• 25:33Matt Farah?

  Fabulous.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  And then on the highway, it's good too. Like it soaked stuff up pretty well, but it's not too floaty.

• 25:38Matt Farah?

  I want to go do 2,000 miles in this fucking, like I'm going to ask them for, to take one on a road and track trip. I think it'd be kick ass. I don't think there's cruise control. There wouldn't be, right? Probably not.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  No, probably not.

• 25:53Matt Farah?

  I love this corner. Load up the front end.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Whee.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  And actually, a lot of times when you upsize the stock wheels, they don't look very good. But I think this wheel going from a 15 to a 17, it still looks pretty good.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. It fills the well enough, but again, it's like the body didn't grow too much.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  So I think that helps. And there's still enough, there's enough sidewall. I think when you get into 18s.

• 26:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Or beyond on old cars, when you start rubber band tiring it, then it doesn't look very good.

• 26:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, 18s are no good at all. That's why we're doing 17s on the Benzito. Oh, I have an update. Update from Matt Quick, uh, down there in Quick Classics in Nashville. A few things of interest he found upon a further inspection of the Benzito. One, probably could have guessed it, but all bushings are shot.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:49Matt Farah?

  No. Shocker.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 26:51Matt Farah?

  Shocker, all bushings are shot. Uh, and two, um, he forgot that the, uh, the Mercedes convertibles have some supplemental, uh, underbody bracing versus the sedans. And so he has to take off the bracing and make a new bracing that will clear the super sprint exhaust.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 27:16Matt Farah?

  So that's a, that's a thing. He said, NBD, no problem, can do, but that was a surprise. And then the, uh, the one that was actually a surprise is that at some point, I don't know whether it was this time, last time, or another time, somebody strapped the car down incorrectly on to, can we turn the fan down? Strapped the car down on a truck wrong and fucking tore out part of the, like, unibody somehow.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  And so he said, it's like, not a huge deal. You just like weld it back together. Either he can do it or Sean can do it. Or like, that's a thing.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Wow, that's why, you know, jacking at the right place is important.

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Anchoring at the right place is important.

• 28:00Matt Farah?

  Strapping cars down on trailers and transporters. Ah, see, I, I just got a hell yeah, brother from the guy on that bike, too.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  I mean, everybody likes that old stuff, dude.

• 28:08Matt Farah?

  Everybody loves this stuff.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  That's what's fun about, even if you're driving an old car that costs no money, it's just people, they have a great response to it. They look cool. I don't know, movies, whatever it is, but it tends to make people feel good. All you need is like, you know, a little glug, glug, glug.

• 28:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  And you feel kinda awesome.

• 28:26Matt Farah?

  No, and they've, this is, this is all of that vibe, but with like, you know, confidence through all of the things where you would not have confidence.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:39Matt Farah?

  In an, in an old car.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, a lot of the old ones, you, you drive to Cars and Coffee and that's it. Cause you're worried something's gonna break.

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Or it's uncomfortable and this has none of those, uh, considerations.

• 28:50Matt Farah?

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• 29:32Matt Farah?

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• 30:17Matt Farah?

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• 31:02Matt Farah?

  the CEO of Ford who's now got a podcast. And you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show and right now it's this, the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. In it, the Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed, like Formula One driver Daniel Ricciardo. Listen, there's a well-worn trope about racing drivers not being interesting to listen to, but if there is one that is interesting to listen to, it is Daniel Ricciardo. I think this guy's takes on stuff and life are great. And look, Jim is a racing driver also. I

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  personally raced against him like two months ago. And for me, a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEO-dom when it comes to car companies. So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on Drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app. Very easy to find. Drive with Jim Farley. Check it out. Zach has researched and the embargo thing is such that our Evoluto video will come out tomorrow if you're listening to this normal release day. So go watch that on YouTube,

• 32:20Matt Farah?

  please. It's a thing where you give them a Ferrari 355 and $770,000 and you get back a crazy thing.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  A real crazy thing.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  One of the most beautiful cars ever made and then they changed it perfectly.

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  So, worth watching.

• 32:41Matt Farah?

  How about, can we talk for a second? When Zach and I were in the car with Tommy Kendall going back to the airport from the race, and Tommy was talking about his skip-shifting technique.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:01Matt Farah?

  That was very interesting. So, conventional wisdom and Ayrton Senna is that as you're downshifting to go into a corner, you go vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, five, four, three, two, right? And Tommy did an experiment in like the 90s where...

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  He tried to brake to make it for the corner without doing the blips. Just braking enough to make the corner. And then braking while doing the blips and realized that he was losing valuable time by doing the blips. Like, he could brake 50 meters later for the corner if he wasn't doing, you know, three downshifts, which, you know, in an IMSA or Trans Am race is very big deal. And so instead, what he would just do is just slam on the brakes, you know, from fifth or whatever. And then, right as he turned into the apex, give it one small blip.

• 34:07Matt Farah?

  Because by now, you're going much slower and just shove it in second.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:12Matt Farah?

  And skip straight from five to two. And that would save him 50 meters of braking. That's fucking crazy.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it really highlights for me how precise the racing drivers have to be at that level. I mean, at any level, if you want to be the best or win, like 50 meters, 50 meters at 100 miles an hour is a millisecond. You're covering so much ground. So it almost, to me at times, it goes, oh, what's the big difference? But like, the difference is who's getting to that corner first, you know, who's getting out of that corner first? And that adds up and you win the race. But it makes a lot of sense because the, I like getting rid of the mental bandwidth required. You know, when you downshift, you're going, alright, is my ankle in the right angle to brake? And then I have to rev, so I have to tilt my foot to get that rev right without moving my big toe.

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Or changing the pressure on that brake. And now I have to do that three times, approaching this corner at very high speed, also monitoring my mirrors. There's just so much thought that has to go into, what is my ankle doing right now? And is it doing these different funky moves? Or you can just go, I'm just gonna brake like it's an automatic. And then when I get to that turn, then I just go to two. And, oh my god, it just makes so much sense.

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  Well, it's like, it's, you learn, it's like the difference between going from intermediate to advanced and advanced to expert. You know, to go to, from intermediate to advanced is to nail those four downshifts in a row. Every lap and have that as part of your race craft. To go to expert is to question if you need them.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:47Matt Farah?

  You know, and then integrate that into your strategy. And then not tell anybody for 30 years until you're riding in a car with them to the airport.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:57Matt Farah?

  And only then.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  He was smart. He kept it a secret, which makes sense.

• 36:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  And it was, I mean, it worked out, obviously, because he won how many Trans Am championships?

• 36:06Matt Farah?

  A bunch.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  You know, a bunch of them.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  And then Tato, our, you know, young phenom on the team. When we're talking about downshifting for corners in the BMW, which is paddle shifted ZF8.

• 36:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can't skip in that one.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  No, you can't skip, but he was saying, you know, most corners, you downshift, he would downshift at kind of a slow pace. Because the downshifting isn't helping him decelerate. He's doing all the deceleration with brakes.

• 36:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  But he said, but if you find yourself in a position where you need more brake, meaning if you press the brake pedal harder, you know you're going to lock up. But you need to slow down more because you're going to go off or something. Then he would downshift more quickly. Because he can still use the engine to slow the car, but it won't lock the fronts up.

• 36:49Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  So then you're using shifting as a technique to decelerate, but only in certain situations. So I wonder if Senna, was he using the engine to slow the car because he's braking so late?

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Or is it just a tradition thing? And, you know, it took 10 more years for Tommy to go, wait, why are we doing this?

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  It could have easily been either. I would be not the least bit shocked if Senna knew something that I didn't know. But I do it his way, so the result is the same. I've been doing it sequentially for my whole life.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 37:27Matt Farah?

  This car on this open sweeper road. I mean, it just doesn't get better.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:34Matt Farah?

  It really doesn't.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  You know, these have a lot of the fizz. There's a lot of the wonderful intangible fizz from old stuff, especially old noisy stuff.

• 37:46Matt Farah?

  The person who went, imagine that, but not junk.

• 37:51Matt Farah?

  You know, that's crazy.

• 37:55Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 37:59Matt Farah?

  So much torque, so much torque.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  600 pound feet, right?

• 38:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  700 horsepower?

• 38:08Speaker 01

  It doesn't really seem like it until you look down as you go past 80 with your foot matted.

• 38:15Matt Farah?

  It's definitely substantially lighter than a new GT.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  So what it even, the power it has, it's using more effectively than it would have otherwise to a point.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:30Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Gear ratios are like perfect, too.

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they are. Wow. So nice.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  So what do we have to do to get you into this Mustang today, Matt?

• 38:44Matt Farah?

  Finance me. Zero down, baby.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  We can do that.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right? We can get you. I really wanna, I wanna ship one to Portland for the for the road and track event. That would be so sick. I'm gonna, I'm gonna call them as soon as we get back. I bet you they'll say no.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  God, I really wish Sarah and I had bought that GT350 recreation or replica, rather.

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  I bet you still can. One of those, those always come up.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  They do. They just got more expensive and that was a true good one, but we'll find it. We'll find it again.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  When the timing's right.

• 39:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. What else is happening in cars that needs discussing? Oh, Taycan is going in for an actual mechanical service

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  this week. It's getting three recalls addressed.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 39:39Matt Farah?

  All software. Where did my water bottle end up, by the way? I have some, you see it? Oh, there it is. Three software recalls. One for the 12 volt battery.

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  And two for other things I actually don't even know. I only learned about them because I got a notice for one and scheduled the appointment. And they're like, oh, you have three. Oh, great. Um, and then, uh, when I go over, when I pull the Taycan into my driveway, notably not WCCS because the angles are so good, but when I pull the Taycan into my driveway or, uh, other articulated entrances, uh, the suspension, which is the, the, the air suspension in that car, it's a little creaky. It just goes err, err, err. And, uh, I talked to our homie at Porsche

• 40:32Matt Farah?

  and he said, uh, it's, it's possible that, uh, the bushings are a little dry. They need some grease. It need to be greased and that's a thing that happens in the air suspension cars over time. And so, um, especially because the EVs, you don't get the, you know, you're not taking it in as often for oil changes and whatever, it doesn't get inspected as often. So you just complain about it, that your suspension is creaky and they will lube it up for you.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  So, okay. No problem there. But like, that's an actual, that's the first, the first bit of actual warranty work.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  That's pretty good. That, that car, man, when you pull up, like the painted fenders, it's such a good looking car.

• 41:16Matt Farah?

  Hell, yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  It is such a wise choice.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  And it's just like.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  And a great camera car vehicle. Oh my God. Chasing you in the Alvoluto. I have instant torque. I can get up on your ass really easily. It's super smooth. But then it's quiet. So if we wanted to do, you know, outside exhaust audio, it's not interrupting. And with the super low front cowl, I can see very clearly how close I am. So close, in fact, I may have gotten you a cracked windshield.

• 41:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's a little rock chip, little rock chip in the window. It's okay. Maybe it won't get worse for a while.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Throw that glue on it, whatever they do.

• 41:49Matt Farah?

  I don't care enough to deal with it right now, but I just noticed it, uh, driving home. After I dropped you off yesterday, I was like, huh. That wasn't there before.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Um, should we talk about, have you seen the news about the, the bill they want to put forward? Cars from 2027 onward have to have very intense driver monitoring?

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, is, I, I saw that. Was it, was it that the, is that the?

• 42:18Matt Farah?

  All the cars would have it implemented in 2027? I thought the bill was written in that it was mandated that they study how to implement, which is not it being implemented.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  That is, yeah, I think, uh, what I saw is that it tells automakers that they have two to three years where they need to study how to do it. And the goal is to have a system where that has like infrared cameras that monitor the driver and can tell if you are sleepy or inebriated.

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  So basically, every car would have its own breathalyzer of sorts, but it would, you know, instead read your physical cues, possibly your eyes, um, and then it would determine whether or not it should let you drive. So the big concern people have is, uh, you know, will it not turn on in case of an emergency?

• 43:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  You know, because these things, maybe it'll be perfect out of the gate, probably not. So if it misreads either someone's body language or, um, as someone else pointed out, like if you are in a state of huge fear for some reason, your pupils will dilate a lot.

• 43:28Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  So it might seem to a person or a camera that you are on a substance, would the car not turn on? So like, those are things the OEMs need to be prepared for, and sure they will.

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  Is it designed to be an interlock type device where you get in the car and it has to analyze you before determining if it will turn the car on?

• 43:48Speaker 01

  I believe so.

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  I think with a driver monitoring system, it has to watch you drive for a little bit, and by then the car is already on. And it may just give you like warnings to pull over or stuff like that. I, I, I find it, even in, I find it difficult to believe that this country would accept a car that won't, that refuses to be started or driven under suspicion of tiredness or inebriation.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Alright, so this was a 2021 law that was part of the infrastructure thing, but it's going forward. This mandates that all new passenger vehicles have to be equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology by the 2026 or 27 model years. Now it's 2026, so obviously they're gonna kick that can down the road.

• 44:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's now.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  The systems will use passive sensors and AI to monitor driver behavior. And if impairment is detected, prevent the car from operating. So yeah, maybe to your point, if it feels like you are driving poorly.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  It will come to a stop or steer you to the right and come to a stop.

• 45:01Matt Farah?

  I, I, I mean, that is, it's a funny thing, cause like, no legislator wants to be like, come out as like pro or anti, anti-drunk driving, right? Cause people die from drunk driving and, you know, nobody, you wanna say driving is a privilege, not a right. And okay, they wanna revoke that privilege, you know, if you're drunk, okay, but.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Well, what's funny is that, and this is from Motor One, NHTSA says that no technology is capable of doing this accurately.

• 45:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Of detecting impaired driving. And automakers are supportive of the idea, but you know, the technology's not there. So yeah, determining the difference between someone who's like, you know, just leaning on the door, cause that's how they sit versus they're drunk. Like, what car did we just have that warned us constantly about being tired? Driving for five minutes and it would say, hey, you need to take a break.

• 45:58Matt Farah?

  So stupid. Volvo?

• 46:00Speaker 01

  I think it was the Volvo or the Hyundai. It was just overactive.

• 46:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh, the Hyundai Santa Fe?

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  The Hyundai Santa Fe kept telling me I was tired, which it didn't know shit. I was high as fuck. No, I'm kidding.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  No, but like the Volvo, we've had Volvos and it would do it after about 20 minutes. If I leaned a certain way or didn't move my head, but it would wait 20 minutes. But the Santa Fe would do it on a five-minute drive. Yeah, so the technology is just, it's too sensitive or not sensitive enough.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  And certainly not like.

• 46:31Matt Farah?

  It's not a legal, you know, you're not convicted of something, you know what I mean? You haven't been... It's not the same as having an interlock and where you literally can't start the car. I bet, I bet it's just a very, very annoying driver monitoring system that fucking chimes at you and shit like...

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, NHTSA's report says that no technology is available that comes close to achieving the necessary accuracy. And so they're concerned, of course, as we all are, about the false positives like I spoke about. If it, if it thinks you're inebriated and it does something weird or stops or won't turn on, and then you're stuck there for, or it could park you in a dangerous position, it could park you in the middle of an intersection. I don't know, depends on what it actually does.

• 47:16Matt Farah?

  Strands you at the bar you're trying to leave.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, trying to get home to fuck.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  You know, and if you own a coupe, not enough room in there, not really.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  So... Now, yeah, so...

• 47:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, obviously, and a bunch of people sent me that, that link over the last couple of weeks. Obviously, I'm against something like that in general, uh, because I like to drive shitfaced all the time. Okay, those are not funny anymore. Um, no, uh, I, I just, I agree with, with NHTSA that that is not good technology right now.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then it would have to be... I mean, honestly, if they wanted to do that, they should just make everyone install a breathalyzer in the car. Like, that would only work for alcohol, but that's probably the largest contributing factor to accidents. And that technology does exist.

• 48:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  So everyone have like a little straw, but...

• 48:15Matt Farah?

  A friend of mine, a friend of mine had that straw in the car. Not great. That's, that's a tough look.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, not a good look. Were you blowing this tube? A judge says I have to have it. I mean, that's a great, great line from a

• 48:31Matt Farah?

  And also, there's a, there's a real scammy industry, you know, behind, behind those things, you know? It's like a, it's almost like a, it's a third-party service that does it on behalf of the court or whatever. And if you, if you get like a false positive or something, or have to have it reset or something, they charge you all this money for all this shit, but your, your car is stuck without it, like, it's a, it's a pretty scammy, uh, industry. Do you have some questions?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm gonna pull up the Patreon.

• 49:05Matt Farah?

  We have forty minutes left on this drive. If you want to ask us questions for these and other podcasts, patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where to do it. It's where you get access to exclusive merch and collabs, uh, extra podcasting, ad-free podcasting, live-stream podcasting, getting it early, uh, and on and on and on, and supporting people you like. People you would like to be able to have homes and offices. There is wind noise at this speed. I can say that about this car.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  And what are we doing? Eighty? Allegedly?

• 49:47Matt Farah?

  Allegedly.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club says, uh, with the boomer generation slowly passing away, do we think their car collections will come up for sale for prices that entry-level enthusiasts can afford? Or will they go to auction collectors that will just add it to their investment profile?

• 50:02Matt Farah?

  There are rumors that we're about to experience uh, a crash in the values of certain types of collector cars. Mainly like pre-war and like 50's stuff, because like eighty-five percent of it all is owned by guys that are in their like 80's. And in, not necessarily a majority, but many cases, their offspring aren't interested in the collections or can't afford to pay the taxes on it and are selling it and are interested in selling old collections. And so, I don't know about like...

• 50:48Matt Farah?

  Boomers who owned stuff in the 90s that's like desirable already by by people of our generation, but certainly it may be time if you ever wanted a fucking car from the 20s that was anything but like a Rolls Royce, you know, you're probably a good time to buy.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's always just gonna be supply and demand. So if, you know, if a bunch of, let's just say a lot of people that have cars like this, you know, original 60s cars, if they age out of them and suddenly there's a glut of those for sale, you know, big collections, there's only so many of those. And there's way more muscle cars that were sold than there are collectors that have big collections. So I think you'll definitely see prices come down on stuff as supply goes up. It's just a matter of like, what can the market absorb? Or what do they, what do they want?

• 51:39Matt Farah?

  Which reminds me, before you get to the next one, we had a three-minute version of this discussion on the side of the road, but there are no 1967 Shelby parts in this car at all. Is this car a fake?

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 51:55Matt Farah?

  It's a fake car.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  I, I think it uses that creative term continuation. You know, Jaguar did it with the VIN thing, like, it has been rebuilt. So I don't think it's a fake, but I think they've continued to develop it and build it. So it lands somewhere in the gray area for me.

• 52:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, I, it's hard for me to consider it a replica. Even though it is, like, the word they use is recreation. So it like, kind of is.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  What would you consider a Singer a fake?

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  A Singer does start with a donor 911, right? It actually does. This does not.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 52:40Matt Farah?

  You know, super performance Cobras and GT40s do not start with donors.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Those are, those are definitely replicas for me.

• 52:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but how is this different from those? I mean, I'm not sure it is.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Right, that's a good question. Is this the most accurate replica? Because it's licensed by Shelby.

• 52:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  You know, and it looks exactly the same way. A lot of the super performance or other companies, they have to tweak things very slightly.

• 53:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  To get around that, you know, the copyright.

• 53:10Matt Farah?

  I think it's also an interesting question because a super performance, and they make a high-quality product is why I'm using them. I mean it to be complimentary more than anything. A super performance Cobra

• 53:24Matt Farah?

  is gonna be about 20% or 10% of the cost of a real Cobra. Right? This car is probably

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Probably double.

• 53:36Matt Farah?

  150% of the cost of a real GT500.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, at least.

• 53:41Matt Farah?

  You know, so it's a replica, but it's more. You know, it's an improvement on in many ways. So continuation, I guess, is right.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  But it's not entirely, it's not genuine.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  It's not genuine. Because also if it was genuine, it would feel worse.

• 53:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  You know, when you close the door, it would be like

• 54:02Matt Farah?

  Like, it's better because it's not genuine.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  It's better, but it's not remade the exact way it was before.

• 54:08Matt Farah?

  I think the differences are more notable. From an old Shelby to this versus an original Cobra to a replica Cobra, there's a much bigger perception of improvement in quality in this.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  From an original Shelby versus a kit Cobra.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Because Cobras were so simple.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  And the replicas are so simple. But these were trying to manufacture real doors and cars and make them kind of comfortable. And it's like, it's just a more complicated build.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  More pressed metal involved. I mean, the Cobra was a race car.

• 54:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  It's not that hard to replicate a 60s race car.

• 54:46Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  But this was a manufactured

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  mass-produced vehicle that's trying to be everyone's everyday car. I think that's a lot harder.

• 54:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, totally.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  But you ask a good question. Like, I think, let us know in the comments. Do you think it's a replica or continuation? Or is continuation just the, like, you know, whitewashed, greenwashed word for replica? You know, when it gets to a certain level of quality, it's like supercar, hypercar. Do we just want a new word? Because this goes above and beyond what, you know, the other versions are.

• 55:18Matt Farah?

  Well, in my limited experience driving it around and talking to people about it. They don't, they're not poo pooing it the same way they would if it was a replica Cobra. Because it's better. You know? So, yeah.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  Uh, let's go back to the people.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Sig's Inside said, "I took Zach's advice last episode and broke up with my girlfriend to go camping with my dog."

• 55:45Matt Farah?

  Holy shit.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Do we put forks up or down in the dishwasher? Um, I alternate so that they get washed evenly.

• 55:52Matt Farah?

  Ah.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  I was told, I saw a video that was like, you should just...

• 55:55Matt Farah?

  Half and half.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Mix it all up. That way, if they, if they're all upright, they lay against each other and they might come out dirty.

• 56:02Matt Farah?

  Some dishwashers have the individual slots for individual, mine does not have that. I have a ma- a mass grave of silverware.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Um, Jcat says, "Recently, a bunch of the prototype V10 Ford engines were listed on Marketplace. What engines could have been better with more or less cylinders?" What engines?

• 56:24Matt Farah?

  Uh...

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Well, most V6s would be better as V8s.

• 56:28Matt Farah?

  Or V12s.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Or, yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Um, most V10s I think would be better as V12s.

• 56:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean Aston Martin proves that the Ford V6 is actually better as a V12.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, very true. And...

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Three cylinders sound cool, but I think they're, they're a little less balanced than a four-banger, right?

• 56:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, yes.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Like, you know, inline 6s are smooth, inline 5s sound rad.

• 56:59Matt Farah?

  Inline 5s sound weird. I like them, but they're weird.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  They're weird, but I like them. But I don't really like the way V10s sound for the most part. I know they're... I, I hear it and I go, yes, it's fast and it's kind of angry and different, but it's not like a CD I wanna play or a Spotify.

• 57:14Matt Farah?

  Not my favorite.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  A CD! Um... Do, do, do. Sonny Kofak says, "What are our proudest moments in regards to our careers?"

• 57:24Matt Farah?

  Uh...

• 57:25Speaker 01

  I mean, when I got to quit waiting tables to go work on a TV show about cars.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Like, that was huge because it showed that my plan of not having a plan to move here and do that worked. Even though the show vaporized six months later.

• 57:41Matt Farah?

  Sure. Uh, I would say road and track print masthead.

• 57:48Matt Farah?

  Like being on, like my name is printed in the magazine. Cause that was the magazine I read like growing up.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  What is your favorite podcast appropriate story from a road and track road trip?

• 58:03Matt Farah?

  I mean,

• 58:06Matt Farah?

  I don't, are there any like, alright, fine.

• 58:12Matt Farah?

  So.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  What was his name?

• 58:15Matt Farah?

  At, uh, at Performance Car of the Year. We drive all the cars on the track and everyone's just, just lapping whatever car, you know, is available. And there's like two or three cars allowed on track at a time and, you know, everyone does five laps and then, and then comes in. And, uh, then we go on the road and on the road, we drive, um, the cars. We have a driving order and then a car order. And you just go through that order. And so, every, uh, driver change,

• 58:53Matt Farah?

  I was driving behind a, a very talented writer called John Purley Huffman. He would drive the car and then I would get in it afterwards. Every, every car, okay? But, uh, he has some like, let's just call it gastric things happening. And he would absolutely blow up every single car with farts.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 59:23Matt Farah?

  Every car.

• 59:27Matt Farah?

  And so, for, I have the best job, you know, this is literally the best job in the world, right? Driving the best sports cars on sale today, back to back with other drivers who you like, and who have interesting things to say about all the cars, racetracks, beautiful driving roads. It's the best, that's literally the best work week imaginable. Imagine that, except every car has been thoroughly hotboxed with farts for like 30 minutes before you get in it.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Are you still having a good day or no? At that point?

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  You are, but every time you're laughing and you're just like rolling the windows down. Wow, you've never told me that story, truly.

• 1:00:11Matt Farah?

  I kept that one under my hat.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 1:00:17Matt Farah?

  Let's see how the solid axel does here.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Let's focus on convertibles.

• 1:00:20Matt Farah?

  Pretty good.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Pretty good.

• 1:00:21Matt Farah?

  Solid axel did well there.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  I'd be on the radios like, "Pearly, put the windows down." Prime that shit.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Uh, Row Row Row Your Bo Bachman says, "Porsche sold their stake in Bugatti to private equity. What do we think that'll do to Veyron and Sharon values?" It's not morbid, but Uli Kunkels Autobahn, you know, there was a shooting in Austin a month ago and a bunch of emergency responders were blocked by Waymos.

• 1:00:47Matt Farah?

  I saw that, yeah.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  So Waymos are gonna go, Waymo officials are gonna testify for city officials. Oh, it's not really a question, wait. Did we, did you see that? I didn't know that. I mean, this is something like,

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  I did see that.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  We've seen a lot of these videos, like, they need to program something in.

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  An emergency access.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  It's a problem they're, they're obvious, like, they know about, but yeah, it needs to, like, pull away to the side of the road.

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  It seems like right now they do a deer move where they just freeze.

• 1:01:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  They like, they somehow detect the, the blue and red lights, and the car just stops, but like, it needs to get the fuck out.

• 1:01:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, they're, they're very timid in a lot of situations. And, uh, they could cause traffic jams. I mean, it's, it's, it's terrible if they block traffic and first responder can't get somewhere, someone is hurt or,

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  you know, or dies.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Fire trucks should be able to just push them. I mean, assuming there's no one in the Waymo, just,

• 1:01:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. There needs to be, like, don't ambulances have, like, things that change traffic light colors? Didn't they, didn't they at one point?

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  I think that was a rumor. I feel like in high school, we thought they had the magic switch. And I don't know if they ever did have a magic switch.

• 1:01:56Matt Farah?

  Turns out 50 Cent had it the whole time.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  That's right. Well, he's the magic stick.

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  That's different. Um, very different. Uh, alright, Elderly Woman Behind says, "I have an E30 318 IS4 banger that I've spent too much money on um, the engine, and now the oil analysis is not looking good. Should I send that 4-banger in to have it rebuilt or just swap to a 6-cylinder?"

• 1:02:21Matt Farah?

  Swap to a 6-cylinder.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's a weekend car and a track car. Dude, the inline 6 is so good.

• 1:02:27Matt Farah?

  It'll change your fucking life, dude.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  More torque.

• 1:02:31Matt Farah?

  Having actual power.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, I would do that.

• 1:02:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, unless you, I mean, yeah. Unless you want to get a K24, that's the only other thing I would say to get.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Matt Farah?

  But probably an inline six.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  But hopefully the inline six is cheaper.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  Two point seven stroker.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Matt Farah?

  You're right, then you're in the game.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, more, it's got a way bigger aftermarket support. And you could probably just put a stock one in there and make as much power as your built engine.

• 1:02:55Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Um, my leaky, my leaky valve gasket. Nissan Z Nismo's and automatic Mustang Darkhorses are getting to the, you know, the high forties into 50 grand.

• 1:03:06Matt Farah?

  I was not aware you could get a Dark Horse in automatic.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  I wasn't either.

• 1:03:09Matt Farah?

  I've just learned that.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Is that, is that worth the buy at that price despite lacking the manual?

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  A Nissan, a Nismo Z at 40K?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Forty seven.

• 1:03:20Matt Farah?

  If it's otherwise a nice car, fuck yeah, dude, that's a great car. The automatic's not that bad. The paddle shifters are responsive, like.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Matt Farah?

  It, it does what it's told, uh, for the most part.

• 1:03:35Matt Farah?

  You know, the normal, like, normal non-sport mode automatic tuning isn't like all that special, but uh, that car handles and steers and rides beautifully.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  And as we know from the race car last week, like, I, for me, that, that's what matters most and I, I will be focusing less on like, you know, the downshift speed of a paddle shifted automatic, like, it's important to compare it to its peers with dual clutches and stuff, but when you're actually driving fast, it just doesn't matter as much. You know, you're braking, you, it, this transmission had plenty of time to downshift while I was decelerating.

• 1:04:07Matt Farah?

  It matters more when you're driving at two thirds speed. When you need it to be like smooth and shit.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:04:14Matt Farah?

  When you're actually like threshold braking and downshifting, it does not matter as much.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Um, Kendrick Lamar, four Supra, that's a good name.

• 1:04:22Matt Farah?

  That's very good.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  Um, my friend is looking for an older, small sports car for spirited canyon drives around LA. They suggested an Austin Healey 3000. What other cars should they add to the list? The budget is a hundred grand. Oh, wow. And you're looking at Austin Healey's instead of Cayman GT?

• 1:04:39Matt Farah?

  They want an old car.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Oh, right, older, small sports car. Oh, what's the Jag XK?

• 1:04:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, XKE. Oh, maybe a 120 or an E, an XKE.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:04:49Matt Farah?

  A hundred K will get you a great XKE, E-type. Um, you can get, uh, A hundred K will get you, you know, an air-cooled 911 Carrera or an SC.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  I think the question you have, this person has to ask is how much maintenance do you want to do?

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. How about an?

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Porsche would require less. MGBs are good.

• 1:05:08Matt Farah?

  A classic Mini could be really fun.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  That'd be so fun.

• 1:05:16Matt Farah?

  A Suzuki Cappuccino or a Honda Beat?

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  C2 Corvette. Sounds great, looks great.

• 1:05:22Matt Farah?

  Classic vet.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Ergonomics are alright. I mean, a hundred grand, that gets you so much car.

• 1:05:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  356, could you get? No.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  Not, not, not a good one, not one you'd want.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  912?

• 1:05:37Matt Farah?

  Certainly a 912.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  You could get a pretty spicy 912, they're just slow.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  They're, they are slow. I'd much rather have a 911 SC than a, than the best 912.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  That's probably the good answer.

• 1:05:51Matt Farah?

  A hundred grand is, that's quite a lot of money.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel like you can choose between the Art C Gatsby, you know, Austin Healey type thing, or you could go more performance Porsche.

• 1:06:05Matt Farah?

  Or R32 Skyline?

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Oh, do that. Um, that's old, it's 30 years old. Um, post menstrual, menstrual sample says, what are things to avoid when building a Canyon Backroads car that might make it too uncomfortable or aggressive? I was thinking of putting fixed buckets in my 997 dot two. Um, would that be in poor taste? Would it be only, would it be in poor taste to only swap out the driver's seat?

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  That is, yeah, that's, so, that's, okay. That's a thing that when poor people do it, it's trashy, but when rich people do it, it's classy.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Which is unfair.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  Like, yeah, like if you get a Sparco bucket and put that in your driver's seat, it's trashy. But when Jensen Button has Singer built him a car with a bucket on the driver's side and a, and a regular comfort seat on the passenger side, that's baller.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  And, and what's unfair is that they're both using the same thought. They're like, I drive this fast, mostly by myself, here's how I want to sit, but I don't want to force that upon my passenger.

• 1:07:09Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  So I think it makes total sense.

• 1:07:11Matt Farah?

  The science is sound.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  That's why both rich and poor people do it. It's just the, the image is, interestingly, the opposite.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, yeah, I say do it.

• 1:07:23Matt Farah?

  Uh, mods to avoid for a canyon car?

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Making it too stiff, the easiest thing.

• 1:07:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, too stiff and too loud are usually your, your, your culprits.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Uh, we, okay, um, now I am become SEO death. That's funny. We've talked about how low YouTube numbers, sorry, we've talked about how track videos hurt YouTube numbers. Are we going to change our content now that we have track access? I think we just, we always have to have a road component, you know, like the M2 video. We talk about it on the road and how does it do there? Cause it's where most people are going to drive it. But as Harris continues to demonstrate or Catchball or the Throttle House guys, like, if you have track driving, that's a little bit sideways. People like that too.

• 1:08:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, it is important to have both. I think, I think we need to like, use, you know, the, the, the road drive to really hook people in because that's what most people want to see. But like, fuck yeah, I've got a racetrack. I want to use it.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  Um, we might have covered this. Marshall P. says, does having the dual overhead cam coyote engine take away from the X factor of a vintage muscle car and muscle car engine? I think a little bit, but if you have the windows down, there's enough noise out the back. It makes up for most of it. Like, I don't really, I have friends that really love the way, um, carbs sound, the way their intake sounds. Most cars I've been in are so loud in the exhaust that I can't even notice the carb anyway. So I don't really care. But it is just, it's a little bit quieter everywhere in this car than it is in old stuff. So you, you lose a little, but it's worth it.

• 1:09:11Matt Farah?

  It doesn't bother me. Uh, I don't, I don't have a nostalgia for a carbureted 428 Cobra yet. I don't really, that's what was in this, right?

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  Wouldn't a 60 cent, wouldn't this have had a 428 Cobra jet in it?

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  I think so. The 429 came in the Mach 1.

• 1:09:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was 70.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this would have been a 428, I think. So I, I, I don't have any nostalgia for that engine in particular. So a fucking loud ass V8 with a blower on it works just fine for me.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't have any contextual issues with that at all.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  And honestly, like if you put a big cam in this. What, where the muted, the mute is coming from the NVH, like the sound detonating. So it's not like the engine's character is too departed from the original ones. It's also like everything else about the car.

• 1:09:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  Fully Loaded Diaper says, why do left-hand drive enthusiast cars sell for significantly more than right-hand drive examples in the US? These buyers are typically enthusiasts who value uniqueness. I would expect those buyers to be drawn to the novelty of a right-hand drive car.

• 1:10:16Matt Farah?

  I understand the thought process, but the fact is if a car is available with left-hand drive, it will sell to, it'll appeal to a larger market of people.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:27Matt Farah?

  There are plenty of enthusiasts that outright refuse to drive on the wrong side of the car. There are plenty more that would only do it if the experience of that specific car, like a Skyline, made it worth it and there was no other alternative.

• 1:10:46Matt Farah?

  There are some people that might prefer the right-hand drive just to be weird, but the truth is driving on the right side of the car in a country that's set up for driving on the left side of the car is more of an inconvenience than, in my opinion, the novelty is worth most of the time.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  Like, my wife's right-hand drive cars, I like them despite them being right-hand drive, not necessarily because they're right-hand drive. And Skylines are so awesome that if I gotta drive on that side, so be it. But if there's a car like an NSX or another JDM car that's available in both ways, I'm just gonna go left-hand drive.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're used to it, the roads are set up for it.

• 1:11:32Matt Farah?

  Pedal box, all that stuff.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, pedal box. Sabah Red Bar Sair says, how far is too far with homage watches?

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Like, is the Orient Ray too close to the Submariner? Is the Cassiopeia too close to a Royal Oak?

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  I would say no to either of those questions. Uh, the Ori- Orient as a, as a, as a, in general, has their own identity for the most part. But there are a lot of like other fairly cheap watches from typically Asia uh, that are like outright knockoffs of GMTs and subs and stuff that just have a different name on the, on the brand and not Rolex and there's, I'm on these forums and there's a lot of people that are certain they'll never be able to afford a real one and

• 1:12:31Matt Farah?

  or they're very bitter about what a real one costs and that they can't get one, you know, uh, so they'll buy the, they'll buy the fake one or they're, they're scared someone's gonna rob them, which is sort of silly, but, um,

• 1:12:50Matt Farah?

  alright, Leaf, come on.

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  Um,

• 1:12:55Matt Farah?

  but, uh, I, I don't like homage watches, I, I think. I think that at almost every price point possible, there is a cool watch that has its own character and you shouldn't buy the, the cheap knockoff versions of, of the real thing.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  Um, Panamera Bread says, "Do we think normal, average buyers would notice that the Nissan Z has a quote, 'old platform'?"

• 1:13:21Matt Farah?

  No, not really.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Um, Chicago White Sox, uh, as said on Doug, on Doug's podcast, Ford loses $800 per Shelby to Shelby, which is about $30 million, according to the total number of GT350s and 500s, um, versus the Dark Horse. Do we think the $800 was worth it for the Shelby name?

• 1:13:43Matt Farah?

  Yes. Do you?

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was actually shocked it was that low.

• 1:13:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  I mean, $800 for a $75,000 car.

• 1:13:51Matt Farah?

  For the licensing fee for the name?

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's such a small percentage of the, the cost, like, I was actually surprised it wasn't more money. Um, so, I don't know if they're, they're pitching that many pennies. It's weird. And, you know, will they drop the car's price by $800? Probably not.

• 1:14:09Matt Farah?

  11 minutes, sir. Alright.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  For Show.

• 1:14:16Matt Farah?

  Here's a little yump. Let's see how the rear suspension does here. Man, for a solid axle, it sticks pretty good, huh? Whatever they've done to that, it's nice. It's an 8.8 with a 373 for those Ford nerds out there.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  For Show Motor Company is planning to do their first track day at Mid-Ohio. Do you have any advice for that track? And also, do we know anything about getting insurance to cover the damage deductibles?

• 1:14:42Matt Farah?

  Yes, you absolutely can get track day insurance. I don't know the name of any specific brokers, but it is a thing that people do get and can get. It's usually, you know, depending on the car, you know, a few hundred to a couple thousand a day.

• 1:15:05Matt Farah?

  Mid-Ohio, what a fucking place. What an amazing place to drive a car. Just like, you know, it's one of those old, classic tracks that's really built into the natural landscape of the place. Very undulating, very, very challenging track. One of the, one of the only tracks that I think is truly hard. And God help you if it rains. I don't think I've ever been more scared of driving than on Mid-Ohio at the wet. It was terrifying. No grip whatsoever, but also like just what an exciting place to, to do a track day or to race a car. Such a fun fucking drive. You've never been to Mid-Ohio?

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:15:49Matt Farah?

  It's so far in the fucking middle of nowhere.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Land of many pavements, right? Isn't it a lot of surfaces?

• 1:15:54Matt Farah?

  A lot of surfaces, yeah. It's an amazing track that's so far from anywhere you'd want to stay or have a meal. That like, I just, you know, forget it.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  So true of most tracks. I mean, there are, there are exceptions, but Chacoala, fun place, nothing there.

• 1:16:11Matt Farah?

  Road America and, and Road Atlanta, both.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Road America was half an hour from a town.

• 1:16:18Matt Farah?

  It's not half an hour from Elkhart Lake. It was half an hour from, from the town we stayed.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Koji Koji, at what point does big motor into tiny car swap becomes, become too much for the chassis to handle? And it pretty much becomes a drift car?

• 1:16:35Matt Farah?

  Different for every car, right? Every chassis has its own limit and then its own, you know, and then the choices the OEM's made. So I've, I've driven Lamborghinis and R8s that handle 1,000 horsepower twin turbos, no problem. You know, we've driven stuff that have, excuse me, come with 50 to 100% more power than it would have left the factory with and depending on what else has been done, it's, you know, maybe not a problem.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:12Matt Farah?

  But if you're, you know, so it's, it is different for every car. I mean, that end, that flying Miata ND with the LS3 in it. I don't know about what would happen if you were trying to drive it full throttle all the time. But like it had so much torque in such a lightweight chassis that like even short shifting at 4,500 at half throttle, you're like flying in something like that. So the bigger the motor in the smaller the car, like the less hard you have to push it.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Matt Farah?

  You know, you can be kind of lazy about everything. And if you try to really push it, then it gets to be messy.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  I think it also, it depends on if the new motor messes with the weight balance at all.

• 1:17:54Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  And if you can keep the weight, you know, where it was, or actually make it more, optimize it more, then the car will maybe even feel more stable. But if the engine's suddenly very heavy and huge and adds way more weight over the nose, then you just kind of get drift car city.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Johnny EV Gearman, have we noticed there's no Z06X in the Corvette lineup? Would there be any benefit to that gap being filled? I don't think there would be.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  I don't really think there would be.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  No one wants an all wheel drive enthusiast oriented track car. Like, nobody wants that.

• 1:18:30Matt Farah?

  Even the ZR1X is really for drag racing.

• 1:18:36Matt Farah?

  You know, it doesn't, it makes it incrementally faster, think around the Nurburgring, but like, the steering is just better when you just have the rear wheel drive ones. It's not that much faster around the Nurburgring to a regular driver, they're the same speed. You know, they're so fast already. I'd rather have the pure steering that comes with the rear drive. That's the first guy to straight box me out. This guy, this guy in the Camry with his like, with his tech bro blazer hanging from there. And you were going in the carpool lane, you dipshit.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  And he's by himself.

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  Fully box me out, solo in the carpool lane.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Canyon Notice These Nuts has a Gen 1 Valentine trying to dial it in. What settings do we use? I would always turn off X-band and K-band.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  Me too.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Run only laser and KA and it will save you so much grief.

• 1:19:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  And then, sorry Canyon, I don't recognize your comment about your seating position, so...

• 1:19:40Matt Farah?

  If you don't want to manually turn off X and K-band, advanced logic mode gets, uh, filters out most of the like urban extra bullshit radar.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  That's true. Quadrofolioface, what's more fun in the sun, fresh summer tires or worn winter tires? Uh, fresh summer.

• 1:20:01Matt Farah?

  Fresh summer tires.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  I know, like, I don't want to be losing traction on worn winter tires on public roads.

• 1:20:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Um, and last one, Wheat City Night Court, does it ever strike you funny how much cool shit is named after what is probably the shittiest beach town in all of Florida?

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry, what?

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  I think it's a dig at Daytona.

• 1:20:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, Daytona? Listen, Daytona's only bad if you weren't at Lollipops in the late 1900s. If you were, Daytona was a wonderful town. That's all I have to say about that.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  I've only been to the track and then the indoor outdoor mall that surrounds the track. It's just like, it's a food court that just surrounds a racetrack.

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Daytona's a pretty shitty place.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  I've never been to the beach or anything like that.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  I drove on the beach. Can't you drive on the beach there? Yeah. Yeah, I did that. At like two miles an hour, right? Yeah, I did that once. That was a thing. It was, uh, I mean, look, we go to Daytona for one reason, the racetrack. Anything else is, while you're there, make your own fun, you know? Right. Um, all right then. That's it. Well, that's perfect timing because we're about to get off the highway and be back at the office. So, thank you all, particularly those patrons for taking, uh, taking good care of the two of us, keeping the ship floating down the ocean. Uh, thank you to everyone else for, uh, participating in this. Uh, I like doing the occasional show, uh, in a car. It's, it's, it's good. It's good to be doing that. Yeah, I like it.

• 1:21:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, gets us out of the old studio and it's a good use of otherwise, uh, unpaid transit time. There's so much of it. These are good blinkers. These metal blinkers? Yeah, they're really nice. The steering wheel, the blinkers, this cockpit. Revologies. All right. Check out that video coming on YouTube very soon. Don't forget, we're giving away a 911 Turbo S. Uh, details on entering are in the podcast notes, right Zach? Yep. And, uh, that ends August 20th. Get your entries in now. See you guys, uh, next time. Bye.