Manual McLaren Supercar Coming! Strange New Range Rover & the Ford GT Doug Needs!

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  I'm Filippo.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  I'm Nick.

• 0:40Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm Doug, and let's start with the news. The biggest news story of all this week is that I'm looking for a Ford GT Heritage, a 2006 Ford GT Heritage. I want to buy it from an enthusiast who loves theirs, and I want a car with miles that I can use. I want to swap my blue one for one of these. If you know of one, send an email to [email protected]. S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com. Now, when we did this with the Supra, people were like, "My brother's uncle has one. He might be willing to sell. I don't want that. I want, hey, I've got one. I'm thinking of selling. Here it is. [email protected]." That's the big news of the week, and we're going to do this until I've got one.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's cool.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Okay. You have, for a long time, kind of been an advocate for driving your cars, having cars you can use. You love that you can drive your Ford GT.

• 1:37Doug DeMuro?

  I also said at one point, I also said at one point that the Heritage looks like a clown. I did say that.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Yes, and it does. It is not a good look. Will anything about the driving experience be better?

• 1:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. You don't understand. Mine's an 05, and the Heritage is all those sixes.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Yours is also modified for more power, so it'll be slower until you modify it also.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Any differences between the 05s and 06s?

• 2:02Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, are you kidding?

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Chassis tuning, suspension, engine tuning?

• 2:07Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, mine looks like a Shelby Daytona, and that one looks like a clown. That's the big difference.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Again, I asked the question.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:19Doug DeMuro?

  Because it's cool. It's cool. Why not?

• 2:23Speaker 02

  So if I said, you know, I want my 911. I don't want black. I actually want to have deviated stitching, and I want it to be oak green metallic.

• 2:33Doug DeMuro?

  I've owned my car for, and I've made this point many times on this podcast and other places. I've owned my Ford GT for eight years now.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  Sounds like you have a lot of memories in it. That sounds delightful.

• 2:42Speaker 03

  Time to move on to a new car.

• 2:44Doug DeMuro?

  14,000 miles, and I've never liked the color. And I want to move on to a color that I like. And I like white, but I love Heritage.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  As an enthusiast, when you're driving the car, the color is prominent. It's a prominent part of your driving experience.

• 3:02Doug DeMuro?

  I just, I want a color that I want. I mean, I bought the car because it was the only one I could afford when it was for sale, and that's different now. And I want to get a color that I want. And I like white, and the white is on the table. If the right white car found its way to me, I'd have a conversation too. But I really want a Heritage. I'm ready. There's 343 of them.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  There, one, it must be a slow news week if this is what you deem to be the most newsworthy thing this week.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's tough.

• 3:26Doug DeMuro?

  This is going to be our number one news story until I have one.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  I admire you shamelessly using the pod as a way of procuring vehicles.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  I'm here for that.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  While we're at it, I am looking for a Celine S7 that either has a salvage title or a ton of stories behind it that is dirt cheap.

• 3:43Doug DeMuro?

  I want to be clear about something.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  I'm looking for a Jaguar XJ.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  You don't know what it's called, but it's an XJ.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  I'm drawing a blank on it, but also really cheap. Like, I'm looking, you did this with the 430 Scud. You're like, "Oh, I'm a buyer." And then you throw out a number that was not market correct. And it's like, yeah, I'm a buyer on any vehicle if it's 30% below market.

• 4:02Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no. I'm waiting to buy the Ford GT at the market correct price. The 430 Scoot thing is different. I never said on the pod that I was looking for one. I was trying to keep that hush-hush, and then they got away from me.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:10Doug DeMuro?

  But I did say on the pod that I was looking for a Supra, and I did say on the pod that I was looking for a 9.3-turbo, and that's how I ended up with both of those cars. The pod giveth. And it's not just me, by the way. It's not just me. Kenan had the same scenario. That SL65 came to us this way. And Kenan has launched his business this way. The pod giveth. The pod giveth.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  I am worried, in this particular case, you drive your Ford GT when it's raining. You drive it on long road trips to Palm Springs for no reason. Like, you, I wouldn't say you beat up that car, but you treat it like your everyday, daily supercar. I worry if you buy a more expensive version of it in a rare color, you're going to have to start to be like, careful about it and wash it correctly and be worried about mileage and stuff, even if it is a higher mileage one. I worry it's going to ruin what you like best about the car, which is you don't have to GAF about it and can drive it like a normal sports car.

• 5:03Doug DeMuro?

  Well, then, maybe I won't do it. All right, next news.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Wait, I want to keep going on this. I think that after this podcast, after this news, we have to issue a moratorium on any kind of paint a sample, deviated stitching jokes, because it's the same concept. You want the one that you want because you think that the color looks cooler. You're wrong about the color looking cooler, but you think that it does.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  I love this.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  And that's the same reason people get those options.

• 5:24Doug DeMuro?

  No. The difference is, I want the color because I like clowns. And paint a sample. People want the color because it's more valuable. That's the difference. I have decided to accept clowns of the circus variety, of the birthday party variety in my life as a friend and as an accomplice. And so that's why I want to be part of this.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Are you starting a clown business? Because this is a good, like, advertising car.

• 5:50Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to do this, and then I'm going to get an S-Cargo and paint it the same colors.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  My favorite car spot you've sent to the group is you sent, you were in Malibu. You sent a picture of this with number 99 on the side, and I said, "That is Wayne Gretzky's car." And sure enough, it was.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Because the Edmonton Oilers, which was his initial team, had this color palette, which is objectively not a great color combination. But for Wayne Gretzky, it really worked. Number 99, it really works. I think it looks weird when there's no number in there, but I don't know which number to pick. So I'm curious if you pull this off.

• 6:21Doug DeMuro?

  The number to pick is 6, because that was the LeMans winning car. Here's an interesting factoid for you. Only five cars have won LeMans twice. Five chassis. It's hard to do, because you win, and then your opponents have a whole year to beat you. And then you win again with the same car. That's like a wild thing, if you really think about it.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  True.

• 6:46Doug DeMuro?

  You know, you guys aren't motorsports enthusiasts like me and Kenan. All right, move on to the next news.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  If you have one of these, email [email protected].

• 6:53Doug DeMuro?

  S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Please have this go quickly. We can't have this be every week.

• 6:59Doug DeMuro?

  Every week, until it happens, folks.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Got to move quick.

• 7:02Doug DeMuro?

  Next news story, please.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  All right. This is the McLaren lineage of supercars. There is a rumor. So Monterey Car Week is in two weeks. I can't wait. There is a rumor that McLaren is going to be unveiling a car that's codenamed the P50. This will, in theory, be more expensive and exclusive than the W1, which is that car, and will have a manual transmission. We don't know if it's going to be Dodge and Chulander style, like, fake manual or if we'll have, should have a, like, actual manual transmission. But regardless, that is the rumor.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  I'm pumped for it. Funny enough, too, on the pod delivering, I complained the other week that Quail tickets were too hard to come by. Someone DM'd me, and I'm now going to the Quail.

• 7:47Doug DeMuro?

  There we go. The pod giveth.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  So I will see it in person and tell you how it is. Last year, McLaren also brought the Thunder because they had the F1 revival there. They had all the Gordon Murray cars. So I think it's great. I'm, as a McLaren owner, at least partial owner with the Mercedes McLaren SLR, I'm a big fan of this lineage. I don't know why the SLR's missing from this exact photo, but...

• 8:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, I mean, that's a good point. And the SLR, of course, is well-known for its excellent transmission. Nick, the pod also delivered a sale of your cars, hasn't it?

• 8:20Speaker 03

  No, not yet.

• 8:23Doug DeMuro?

  Are you going to talk about that today or not?

• 8:25Speaker 03

  We're not talking about it yet, but there are two cars in motion right now that I will reveal. I don't like to jinx a deal before it's done, so...

• 8:33Doug DeMuro?

  Especially on a P38 Range Rover. That deal's not done until, like, six weeks after the car is gone to make sure the guy doesn't text you and tell you the whole thing blew up.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  I do have to tell you, though, Doug, the wire hit yesterday, so I think that one's wrapped up.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  We haven't signed any paperwork yet, but he did book a flight and send money, so...

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Sold for wire money, not cash money?

• 8:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I mean, it was slightly above the Venmo limit, but like, could have been done Venmo into installments.

• 8:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's a P38, and honestly, that deal could fall apart. I'm not kidding, up to a month after the transaction. Like, what if the car kills him?

• 9:08Speaker 02

  I obviously not.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Well, the white already hit.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  I would. I guess send the title to his widow or something.

• 9:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Apparently, by the way.

• 9:19Doug DeMuro?

  McLaren, the rumor is that it's going to be super limited production, which would be very disappointing. None of these automakers want to commit to truly bringing back a manual transmission.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  I don't think they can make it make sense financially, which I kind of get. There's a bunch of reasons why they want to have limited production. They can avoid a lot of homologation factors, but 100 is the rumor. This is all based, by the way, on a pretty loose rumor from one publication. But everybody has picked it up because I think everybody wants this.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Gelotnik is saying 399 units. So even that's not true. Nobody even knows. McLaren themselves hasn't said that this is debuting. Like you said, it is some like generic website called like Supercar Walk or something.

• 9:55Doug DeMuro?

  Here's the question for you guys. We frequently make fun of McLaren's for being rich guy go fast cars. Would a manual McLaren have an impact on our perception of the brand?

• 10:05Speaker 03

  A little bit, yeah, I think so. I also think you're slightly unfair on the rich guy go fast accusation. They are incredibly fun cars to drive, very frenetic. I, I, I think it is more of, it's not the car that's the problem. It's the type of people that buy the car that is often the problem, much like someone who buys a heritage. It's not necessarily that the heritage is wrong. It's the kind of guy that pursues a heritage that's kind of makes you question their character.

• 10:30Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you a question, though, Nick. Don't you think blue with white stripes is like a little boomer?

• 10:35Speaker 03

  I agree that blue with white stripe, you didn't pick the best spec in the world. I'm not sure the heritage is classically beautiful.

• 10:42Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you what happened. Let me tell you what happened. I bought my car at the, when I bought my car, they were all the same. All the colors were the same price, more or less. Okay. Over the years, there have become people who are obsessively tracking the colors. And it has become known that the blue is the second rarest color after the heritage. Except for yellow, which no one wants because it's ugly. And so the blue cars have become way more valuable. And so I'm like at a $100,000 price delta or $75,000 price delta when I, which I don't deserve. And so that's factoring into my decision. It's like, I might as well capitalize on this before people wise up and realize it's all stupid.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  I'd just wrap it personally.

• 11:21Doug DeMuro?

  I just, you think, you think that Brayden can wrap me in that 4GT heritage color scheme?

• 11:27Speaker 03

  I could, I, I think he could, but I would maybe pick a different color.

• 11:30Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 11:31Speaker 03

  I, I think if you're.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Or pick one of them. You make it orange or make it blue.

• 11:35Doug DeMuro?

  Livery. This is an iconic livery for God's sake.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  I think if most of your enjoyment of the car is at this point tied up in having a clown color, you should consider a different car. Or just go full on clown.

• 11:47Doug DeMuro?

  Jackie Ickx didn't look like a clown when he won LeMans. I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that. Sean's over there nodding his head like, no, yeah, you're damn right.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll wrap my SLR McLaren in like either Mobile or BP's color scheme to match your golf livery.

• 12:02Doug DeMuro?

  That's great. All right. Next, next news story, please.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  We got a bunch of. 399 is a W1 production. They think 100.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  All right. Second expected release, the debut at Monterey is Hennessy's Project Overlord. That's what they're calling it. The company founder, John Hennessy, had referred to it as the American Carrera GT.

• 12:24Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  What, what, what we know from what they've said is that where the Venom F5 is their like top speed chasing. They want it to be as fast as possible. Their goal with the Project Overlord is to be more driver focused, higher revving, like characterful car, rather than just a top speed pursuit car. We will hopefully see it at Monterey Car Week.

• 12:46Doug DeMuro?

  Will they be offering it in the golf paint scheme?

• 12:50Speaker 02

  If they have any kind of marketing, market awareness, no. Or eyes, eyes might do it.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  They have done some like highlighter yellow colors and pretty wild things. I, I love that.

• 13:01Doug DeMuro?

  Is this a manual? What's the engine? What do we get?

• 13:03Speaker 02

  We don't know. All, all we expect is that it's probably a little bit smaller than the Venom F5, a simpler powertrain, a little slower, and maybe a manual, maybe.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  If it's a CGT revival or CG, if you're comparing yourself to the CGT, it's got to be. However, I think, look, we're in the golden days again of American hypercars. You got the Suzingers. You've got the Hennessys. Now McLaren and Ferrari are coming out with manuals, which I understand aren't American. But like, all of a sudden, hypercars are getting cool again. They're no longer, I'm going to say it, not rich guy go fast cars. They're trying to build driver focused enthusiast cars instead of just trophies you put in your Malibu garage or what have you. So I'm here for it. I think, and this is going to be a great car week if we're getting stuff like this.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  This one will be revealed on August 3rd. We know this one for sure. So it'll be exciting to see what they come out with. And then I assume it'll be all around Car Week as a.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  I saw a bunch at Barrett-Jackson and that Car Week in Arizona.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  What'd you see a bunch of?

• 13:57Speaker 03

  The Hennessys.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  And it's, they're pretty crazy in person.

• 14:02Doug DeMuro?

  You're not talking about Venoms. You saw a bunch of Hennessy Venoms?

• 14:05Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. I couldn't tell any of their models. It's, it's like.

• 14:08Doug DeMuro?

  They only have.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  It's like Ken and Kia's. Like you can't name, I can't tell them apart, but I know what they are.

• 14:13Doug DeMuro?

  Here's the, here are the models. There's the Venom and then there's a bunch of Ford Broncos that they've tuned. So did you see?

• 14:19Speaker 03

  No, no, it was their hypercar. It was their hypercar, whatever that thing is. Yeah, the Venom F5.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, this car here. But regardless, it'll be exciting to have another supercar revealed. By the way, I've heard some rumors of other supercar reveals coming in Monterey. They're not concrete enough to share yet.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:36Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Move on to our next news story.

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• 17:21Speaker 02

  Okay. One thing that is concrete because this was revealed today is the upcoming Range Rover GT.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  I did, and I have some thoughts. So they're claiming, one blog is going as far as saying it's a car, which it's not. It is a SUV with a slightly sloppy rear hatch, which has been, since all the Audi's been doing it on sportbacks forever, but it's an EV. It's basically their Luce competitor, as if anyone asked for that.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  And what? What?

• 17:47Speaker 03

  It's a weird looking hatchbacky SUV.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Got it. One of them is $600,000, one isn't.

• 17:53Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, it's, in truth, of course, it's a competitor like the QAD Tron and I think IX. But what, um, you remember years ago when Land Rover came out with the concept of the Road Rover? Do you remember that?

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:06Doug DeMuro?

  They, they were going to make cars and then instead Jaguar made SUVs. And then the Jaguar brand, I think, has failed. I, I don't think it exists.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  It's still around. They, they, they showed the. They're whatever they're calling it at.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  That'll probably be at Quail again. It was at Quail last year. Nothing has changed at all, other than the name.

• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  There's a little bit of Celestique in this design, but I don't understand. People are calling it a car, but it's not.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a Mach-E, right?

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Bribed it as their most car-like Range Rover ever created. It's, it doesn't, they say that it's still capable, but it certainly won't have the Ranger, the off-road ability of the other Range Rovers. It is starting out full electric. They think, they've said basically there will likely be a hybrid coming later. The platform can handle it. It's like a little like Velar Coopie, but more so styled.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  It's a new model, which is worth discussing. Their press release makes it sound like they're reinventing the category. It's just another EV. Like, yeah, I'm very tired of these AI-written press releases that make it sound like they're changing the world when it's like, okay, cool. It's another vehicle that is not that different than what else is on the market, but I love Land Rover, so I wish them.

• 19:17Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna give you a little info. Pre-AI, the press releases all still sounded like that.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  They're getting worse. They're definitely getting worse.

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  They're getting worse. I think, I think they were always terrible. But to me, this is, it's, to me, it's like their version of a Mach-E. It looks like sort of a more car-y, more sloopy. I mean, obviously, it's not a.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Do you mean that it's an electric car? Well, like, I don't understand what you mean by car version.

• 19:41Doug DeMuro?

  Like a low kind of car-ish SUV.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's certainly much more, it's like a Velar taken to the next level of sloppiness coupe, less off-road focused.

• 19:51Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I come from an era, I'm an old-school Land Rover enthusiast. I don't know, because a more modern Land Rover enthusiast kind of followed my footsteps. But I come from a, I come from a school when Land Rover meant something, okay? Where land rover, do you understand what I'm saying?

• 20:07Speaker 03

  They actually do claim, they like go out of their way in this fluffy press release to say that it will have off-road capabilities despite being more car-like. Yada, yada, yada. I don't know. We'll see.

• 20:18Doug DeMuro?

  I come from a world, all right, next news story.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  It will be, by the way, they are, they're, they have previously shown an electric Range Rover. And at Goodwood this year, they showed an electric Range Rover Sport, but this is the first one that's actually on their dedicated EV platform.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  I'm with Doug. It's not a Land Rover if it doesn't leak oil, so it is not a Land Rover.

• 20:38Doug DeMuro?

  So they said, they said it's, it's, it's gonna come out next year. It's a ways away and we're.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  This is just unveiled today. All right, keep it going to the Mercedes MyBok GLS 680.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, 2027 edition. All the changes are fairly minor, but you love to see it, man. The, the big dinner plate wheels, you've got, it's just slightly more ostentatious, exactly what we want.

• 21:05Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing changed about this car. Did you just want to mention it and look at the dinner plate?

• 21:09Speaker 02

  No, no, he's right. So the GLS was refreshed earlier this year for 27. Now that we see the Mercedes MyBok version. I do have a fun fact for you, two fun facts.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  All right.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  One is apparently it will lean into corners more than before. It may or may not bounce. I have not gotten confirmation on the bouncing of it. But it will also be built in America for the first time.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  And, and I can't believe you're claiming nothing's different. Look, it went from the S600 to the X680. We got an 80 bump in the nameplate. There's two-tone paint available. I mean, this is.

• 21:42Doug DeMuro?

  It was always two-tone paint.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  They're reinventing the paradigm of the category through a groundbreaking revolutionary design philosophy. That reinvents everything.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Somebody's written some press releases in their time.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, the only actual change, it's got a little more power. It's got the new taillight design, which is on the E-Class and such. Doesn't look like any big changes to me, but I'm glad that Nick wanted to put the GLS 680.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  It's got some more bedazzling to it.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Can we talk about the primary thing on the new GLS, ANS-Class and E-Class and Geelys, et cetera? Which is the, the S-level ones have three Mercedes logos in the taillights. The E-levels have two. That's why you want a GLS. You want to get like a three.

• 22:25Doug DeMuro?

  As an E-Class owner, as a multiple E-Class owner, I've had seven. That hurts.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  It hurts, right? It's sad. You only get two logos.

• 22:34Doug DeMuro?

  I feel like I shouldn't be considered a second-class citizen. I'm, I'm, I'm a loyalist, for God's sake. I've owned every E-Class they've ever manufactured. Every single one. And then they reward me with only two taillights? I'm going to BMW. Just kidding, I wouldn't buy that pig if you gave me a billion dollars. All right, move on to the next news story.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Whoa, that's a short the clip.

• 23:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, I want to talk about this. A great news story. Felipe, you been following this story?

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 23:05Doug DeMuro?

  All right, some guy with the drive, some journalist with the drive, gets pulled over in a Land Rover. Because the flock camera caught a license plate, license plate, the license plate had been reported stolen by Land Rover. And it was the wrong one. Land Rover reported this license plate stolen. The flock camera caught this license plate. Everybody's up in arms. Everybody hates flock and the surveillance state and all the cameras and all that, and that's all true. However, something that no one is talking about in this news story that should absolutely be talked about more is that the state of New Jersey issues multiple license plates with the same license plate number. It's so funny because it's glossed over completely in the story, as if like, we all know government is trash. So flock should really be able to solve this problem that government has created.

• 23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Now, the, the people who are, the press people are gonna say, well, there's a little number on it to distinguish between all the different manufacturer plates. It's basically unreadable from any distance, and that's by design. The plate number is issued to Land Rover, and then they put hundreds of these plates all over their cars. And I remember when we worked, I worked for Porsche, this would happen to us constantly. We would get a ticket in the mail for the Porsche's plate. And the car, it was indistinguishable which plate it was because the little numbers were so little.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  What do you mean? So like, like, it's like, for, for the manufacturer plates in New Jersey, it's some code for Range Rover and then some.

• 24:25Doug DeMuro?

  Thirty-four is Land Rover's number. And then, then the plates, and this is actually, this is not just true of New Jersey manufacturer plate. It's true of a lot of different types of New Jersey plates. New Jersey then has a tiny little number in the, in the middle of the plate. It's maybe an inch high. It's, it's not high enough to read at any, at any real distance. The cameras can't read it, but neither can people. And it's just an assumed, oh, that's plate number one, plate number two, plate number three for this manufacturer or for this dealer. Even people can get, here's a crazy fact also, New Jersey, you can get the same personalized license plate as your wife and as your best friend and whatever. And they're all distinguished by little numbers. Now, this is not unique to New Jersey. Many US states, including California, including most of New England, issue license plates with the same number

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  to different cars. And I think that this is an absolutely wild component of this story that nobody is mentioning. It's not just these manufacturer plates with the little numbers. In a lot of states, the exact same plate number is on different vehicles because it's a different type of plate, even though the same number appears. Isn't that insane?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Like, that's government. More worked up over the license plate naming than the fact that they pulled them over with hands on their guns because of a.

• 25:38Doug DeMuro?

  But why would that happen? Because New Jersey issues, not a few, but thousands of license plates to completely different vehicles with the same number. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Other states that also, New Hampshire, Maine come to mind.

• 25:55Doug DeMuro?

  New Hampshire is the worst of all. New Hampshire is the worst of all, because in New Hampshire, they issue punctuation marks and they are separate. So if I got Nick, that would be different from Nick with a dash at the end and Nick with a dash at the start and ampersand Nick. And Nick ampersand and N-dash ICK. Those are all different license plates in New Hampshire. It is wild stuff. Totally, totally wild.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  The real crime here is, is using dashes in your license.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  No, but it's nice. It's actually really helpful. You can do so many more variations.

• 26:27Doug DeMuro?

  You can do variations, but then when you get a parking ticket anywhere but New Hampshire, the other states don't recognize that a dash makes a license plate a completely different car.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  That's the value.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  It's a dream of getting a parking ticket and then it has the wrong license plate number or the wrong state.

• 26:43Doug DeMuro?

  The person who has the plate without the dash gets every one of those parking tickets and camera tickets. This goes way beyond flock. It is unbelievable to me that this happens. It is common practice. Wyoming has done it for years and years and years. It is common practice in a lot of states.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  Real consumer advice, if you live in one of those states, make sure you get a special character, because you'll get fewer parking tickets in other states.

• 27:04Doug DeMuro?

  Sort of. That's not always true. Most states with special characters, like North Carolina and California and Virginia, just ignore the special character on the plate. So if you have Nick with an exclamation point, then you cannot also get Nick without an exclamation point. Only New Hampshire goes so far as to distinguish between them. Anyway, the real consumer advice is your license plate number might be on another car, and if it is, good luck.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. And by the way, it's also worth noting, it's not worth getting into. Yep. Read a bit on the story if you're interested.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  The actual most outrageous thing to non-licensed plate enthusiasts is Flock defending themselves, saying that the technology worked correctly. They should not be pleased or defending themselves with how the outcome of this story came.

• 27:49Doug DeMuro?

  I don't necessarily think that the technology didn't work correctly. I mean, Flock, there are a lot of problems with Flock and with surveillance state and with the cameras beyond. But like, the technology worked correctly because New Jersey issues thousands of license plates with the same number. It's so funny that that's passed out because there is just a baseline assumption that government is trash and it screws things up. There's just, that's just like the baseline assumption.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  This isn't government. It is AI reading license plates and then feeding the police officers information that's not necessarily correct. And then them coming out like patting down and intimidating people based on like a totally incorrect report.

• 28:29Doug DeMuro?

  If the government is going to use this technology, which in a lot of states they clearly are, I would start by making sure that every vehicle has a distinct license plate.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  They would argue that. So the technology should not be used based on your own argument.

• 28:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay. I don't disagree with that. If you're not going to do that, then maybe we probably shouldn't be using the technology.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Having sold SaaS products, Flock said that it could distinguish. Yeah. Regardless, it's been quite a story. People should read up on it. The Drive has had some really incredible reporting on this. They're really leading the chart.

• 29:03Doug DeMuro?

  I would like to see the Drive report on why like 35 US states issue license plates with the same number to this.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  You would be the only person that reads the article on like, well, you and your Facebook group of license plates.

• 29:15Doug DeMuro?

  I actually agree with that because I think that the outrage part of the story is Flock, and that's the part you report on because it gets a lot of clicks. But I think there is a legitimate problem. And anybody who's had this happen, my buddy Andrew Gans, who worked for us, had this happen. Colorado, where she's tons of plates with the same number. And he got a ticket for ABC 123 on a completely different vehicle in Maryland. It was a speed camera. And he was like, this isn't my car. They're like, it's your car. It's your plate number. And there was nothing you could do. Insane.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. As always, some promises made that makes states think they don't need to update the rules. But if they're going to use that technology and have consequences tied to it, it's kind of high stakes. You got it right.

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• 31:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. All right. Let's keep it going. Honda Prologue.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Doug?

• 31:58Doug DeMuro?

  This one's still on the market?

• 32:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Not anymore. Not as of like last week. It is now officially dead.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  We knew it was going to be dead, by the way. Like, they announced that a long time ago.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  And the Acura equivalent had already been killed off.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's formally here.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  It's officially dead. Rest in peace to the reporter from The Drive after Flock killed him and Honda Prologue.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  We were doing so well on that story till that year. Yeah, the Honda Prologue is dead.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  Joel is alive. Honda Prologue is dead. Doug, I loved, I mean, you just ridiculed them endlessly. So I'm allowing you a chance to gloat and say, I told you so.

• 32:33Doug DeMuro?

  What, the Honda Prologue?

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, it was a good car when there were a ton of incentives and you could lease one for $199 because the incentives made it affordable. But it becomes a lot less of a good car when you actually have to pay sticker, which is not tenable for most.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Which is happening to EVs across the board. I think each week from here till the end of the year, we're going to have another EV that's killed off because the incentives no longer make them a rational decision.

• 32:58Doug DeMuro?

  Here's who I feel bad for. Here's who I feel bad for. In addition, all the people whose license plate numbers are duplicated. The people who bought, like Honda loyalists who decided to dip their toe into the EV pool, buying a Honda Prologue, have ended up with a vehicle that is orphaned, that was manufactured by General Motors, and that will never be serviceable at Honda dealerships in about three years. Don't you think? Like, Honda's going to be like, nah, you know, that's actually a Chevy, and we don't do EVs anymore.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  I get Honda. I mean, we talked about this when they announced it, but I get Honda's decision, right? Like, they had planned on this being a stopgap. They were developing the RSX, which was last year during Car Week that they revealed the RSX EV. They had planned that Afila project. They had planned other EVs to come out. And this is going to be a stopgap. We're going to jump. I imagine that their margins on it are quite poor because they are fundamentally paying GM to have engineered and developed it. Why keep it around when you're not going to be replacing it with something better in a couple of years? Right? Like, to be fair, they did that with the Passport years and years and years ago where they worked with a Zuzu, and then eventually came out with the Pilot to replace that as a standalone product. They aren't going to be replacing it. And a lot of other manufacturers have said that they are not really working on their next generation EVs. Chevy will

• 34:11Speaker 02

  come out with a new Equinox in a couple of years. That's going to be the end of that. That's the only one they had planned. As refreshing. Ford killed the Lightning. Obviously, unclear where some of their plans are. Cadillac has had a bunch of new EVs, but they're now working on replacement for the XC5 and XC6 gas-powered. Well, it's out of the market. The next set of product planning is going to be really telling.

• 34:34Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, Nick, we all, we're doing on this pod. You know what we're doing on this pod? This is a great pod. You know why? We start off with manual transmission supercars. We move on to, we move on to crushing the surveillance state. Now we're on gas-powered SUVs replacing electric SUVs. And we sprinkle in a little bit of Ford GT heritage.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Hey, we're doing it all.

• 34:55Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, CarsAndBids.com. S-E-A-N.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Everybody has launched a bunch of hybrids. It will be interesting to see what happens five years from now, 10 years from now, when that maybe turns around. I will say California has revealed a new program for California residents to buy EVs. That is an incentive as long as they're below a certain price or headquartered in the state of California. Tesla no longer is, so not applicable.

• 35:17Doug DeMuro?

  Is it income tested?

• 35:18Speaker 02

  It is not income tested, but it needs to be your first EV. And it's a much lower amount.

• 35:23Doug DeMuro?

  The liberals come out. Like, this is, it's got to be your first EV. The car has to cost a certain amount, or the company has to be headquartered in California. In the end, 11 people are going to qualify for this.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  It's actually quite broad. Just, it's like below 60 grand is my recollection. It's quite a broad chunk. That's 3,500 bucks. That's just.

• 35:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but how many people in California who are interested in an EV don't, haven't already gotten one?

• 35:45Speaker 02

  You know, then EV sales this past quarter were actually up a decent amount, and they are kind of ticking up. There is, especially as gas prices are higher, and EV prices remain pretty low and heavily incentivized by the manufacturer. It remains appealing.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Everyone knows EV sales were up this last quarter because everyone was rushing to Nissan dealerships to buy the Aria before it was discounted.

• 36:04Doug DeMuro?

  Before it went away. Hey, Felipe, if you had to buy an EV right now, what would you buy?

• 36:10Speaker 03

  This is so easy, Rivian.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  If I had the money for an R2, I would buy an R2, right?

• 36:14Doug DeMuro?

  If I had the money for an R2.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  You have the money.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Lease deals are still pretty appealing on IONIQ 5 that I think is a really compelling product.

• 36:22Doug DeMuro?

  If only I could scrounge together the money for over an R2. I'm not sure if I could make it.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Never spend that much on cars. No, I guess. Lease deals are still really compelling on that. If I wanted a family car, lease deals on EV 9s or an IONIQ 9s are really compelling.

• 36:36Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, let me ask you this. If you had the choice, would you get the same license plate number as Nick so that you could go around getting tickets and charge them to Nick?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  I'd be so worried about getting Nick's tickets.

• 36:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  That I wouldn't.

• 36:48Doug DeMuro?

  When I lived in Pennsylvania, the O and the zero were different characters in their mind. And so I had a plate with a zero. And several times I got parking tickets, then it was just written to the O, and so I didn't.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Do you ever think about the fact that the standard Maryland plate till 2017 had vertical characters?

• 37:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it was wild. It was totally wild.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Hard to read. You know what? I always liked is in Arizona, they have the traffic cam lights. And when you get the ticket in the mail, there's a link to view a video of it. And so you can't dispute it and say, oh, I lent the car to a buddy. It wasn't me or whatever. So like, our friend Sam like sent this hilarious video. He's like grinning ear to ear, you know? We're like, like, you just, it's like a cool, like, okay, like, I'll just view it as 300 bucks for the photo shoot, rather than, like, I got good rollers.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  Don't run red lights.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  What if it's yellow and you're in a hurry?

• 37:36Speaker 02

  If you got the ticket, probably would.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  The problem is, and I got, I got in trouble for this before, is it turned yellow, so I speed up. So then I'm past, I'm far enough in the intersection, it's okay. But now it captures my speed and says I'm speeding. So like, it's like double jeopardy.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  It's not like double jeopardy.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  As my idol Matt Ferris says, only break one law at a time. So when you run the red light and speed, you're going to get a ticket.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  This car pod and Cars and Bids recommends following your state's traffic code to a T.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Felipe recommends following that.

• 38:10Doug DeMuro?

  If you can, getting a license plate number that's equal to somebody else's. By the way, for years, Idaho also used stacked characters on their standard plates. And Wyoming actually still does.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  You know what Nicky Lube recommends? Is that you get a Montana license plate that is unreadable. And then you don't pay any taxes and you don't have to worry about any of this. No one's reporting anything stolen in Montana. They're like, oh, God took it? God provide? I'm good. You know what I mean? Like, you got nothing to worry about. So go to llc-tlc.com, enter Nick in the referral code.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Do you actually have a referral?

• 38:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I get like 50 bucks every time someone commits tax fraud. It's amazing. I love America. Where else in the world could you have that?

• 38:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  We gotta move on.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  It's a rare one, clean enough to keep in.

• 39:03Doug DeMuro?

  If I actually entered Nick as a referral code, that's too generic, right?

• 39:07Speaker 02

  You gotta have like a-

• 39:08Speaker 03

  You gotta put my whole name, Nick Rashawn, or maybe Nick's Car Blog LLC, or Nicholas Rashawn. But much like license plates, I think they'll take like a phrase match, or like a close enough. Like, it doesn't have to be exact.

• 39:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's right, Flocks, one of the referral program over there.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  The problem is, I think the lady is named Dolores, who keeps track of all of this, probably on like pen and paper. So I've never actually gotten any of the referral credits, but I know I've generated a few, so.

• 39:35Doug DeMuro?

  When I worked in the corporate world, there was a guy who left our company and went to work for another company. And he told us, he came back years later to work for us again. And he told us when he went to the other company, he was hired as the IT guy. And he showed up and someone said to him, I can't figure out this Excel thing. And they had two rows, and one had numbers in it on this row, and the other had numbers on it on this row. And they would do the addition with a calculator and then enter the added number together in the third row. And that's how I assume things are happening at the Montana LLC place right now.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Yep. They don't have a system, if you want a vanity plate, to check if it's available or not. So you handwrite your three preferred options, and then they try their best. And then if they don't have those available, you just get a random one. Like, that's their level of rigor over there.

• 40:25Doug DeMuro?

  To be clear, a lot of states still to this day do not have an online lookup. Although my very favorite non-online lookup state is Massachusetts. Instead of having a list, instead of having a lookup, they have a list of what's already taken. And so, I swear to god, it has thousands of license plates on it, they're all alphabetized. And so, you just scroll down on the list, and if it's taken, then you don't ask for it.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  When it's a slow news week, we talk about license plates.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  All right, let's keep going with our news, though. There are other stories. All right.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Are there?

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're much worse. It's getting better. This is a CT5V Blackwing.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  We have known for a while that the CT5 would return. GM is working on a platform, a new Camaro, maybe a new four-door Camaro. And it's also going to be the underpinning for new Cadillacs to dance. There are rumors this week in announcement that there will be a CT5V Blackwing as well. We know nothing else, but it is going to return, which is exciting. But I mean, one of them has a ma- I think the Camaro is known to have a manual. And so this gives me hope that the CT5V Blackwing will also have a manual.

• 41:33Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, Nick, this is like your dream news segment here.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  I'm not a new car buyer, but I otherwise agree-

• 41:41Doug DeMuro?

  We're talking manuals, we're talking big engines, we're talking the surveillance state. Like, this is real for you.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  I know. Poor Cadillac, too. They just got beat up for having like the worst customer approval of any luxury brand and all that. But they're doing it.

• 41:56Doug DeMuro?

  They on what? What's he talking about? Is he talking about IQS?

• 41:59Speaker 02

  I, there's so many kind of initial quality things, who knows?

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Service.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Let me, I'll Google it for you.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  All right, please do.

• 42:07Doug DeMuro?

  You'll Google it for me? You brought it up!

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  You left us with scant details. So anyway-

• 42:13Speaker 02

  What I do on this pod.

• 42:14Doug DeMuro?

  The idea is that the Blackwing may still live on in a next generation.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Indeed. Yep, that's news. Let's make it a wagon.

• 42:23Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know about that.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Well, it's not gonna happen. All right, last news story is the Cadillac, excuse me, the Acura XL. That's probably not what they'll actually call it, but it will be a larger than an MDX, three-row SUV. Acura's MDX is like a mid-sized segment, entries a little bigger than like an X5, but it's Q7 sized. This will be bigger than that, like a large SUV, coming out in 2029.

• 42:48Doug DeMuro?

  This is a Lexus TX rival. It's wild to me that these automakers didn't figure out until yesterday that they need to like get a full-size three-row. You know, the GL came out in '07. '07. The X7 took forever itself, but probably came out in '18. And meanwhile, Acura and Lexus are showing up like, oh, a big three-row? Oh!

• 43:09Speaker 02

  It will apparently, by the way, be hybrid, which is, right now, Acura doesn't offer any hybrids. I think that's true. So that will be exciting. By the way, I have a fun fact.

• 43:22Doug DeMuro?

  The news story really here is probably that Honda will then come out with a companion car, which will be a Grand Highlander rival, bigger than the Pilot, which they kind of need. And so that would be, that's going to be pretty enticing if it occurs.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  That segment's a little weird, where the Grand Highlander and the Pilot are, like, the Pilot splits the difference between a regular Highlander, which by the way is now EV-only for '27, and the Grand Highlander. But yeah, they need a larger competitor, and so that's a good sign for that. I have a fun fact for you. We talk a lot about how Acura is dying.

• 43:53Doug DeMuro?

  Acura, by the way.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Sorry, Acura. In the first half of 2026, they sold more cars than Cadillac and more cars than Audi. They are the largest luxury brand, despite the fact that they have no competitor.

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but their sales are a quarter of what they were 15 years ago.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 44:09Doug DeMuro?

  They've canceled half their models, and I'm just curious what the profit margins really are. It's funny, because the automakers always point to sales numbers when you say they're dying. I've gotten nasty emails before from some of the PR people. And it's like, okay, now let's talk about how many of those I see with commercial fleet license plates as rental cars sitting at Enterprise.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Well, keep in mind, the RDX is old, the MDX is old, they're all old products. So they might have amortized the development cost pretty well by now.

• 44:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but the ADX is brand new and-

• 44:41Speaker 02

  It's an HRV, though.

• 44:42Doug DeMuro?

  They're powered.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. And because the engine is smaller, their profit is larger.

• 44:46Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, here's a question for you. What is your all-time favorite Acura?

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Ooh, it's not the NSX?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  No. TL Type S, maybe?

• 44:59Speaker 03

  This is like one with an objectively correct answer. They have made one cool car.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  The MDX before this was available as a sport hybrid, but it was four-seat only. If it were five seats, I would have considered it.

• 45:10Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, but since it wasn't, how about throwing the NSX in there?

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, fine. The TL Type S.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  I would accept Integra Type R as a contrarian point of view, but it's-

• 45:19Doug DeMuro?

  How about the 04 TL? The 04 TL was a pretty damn-

• 45:22Speaker 02

  That's what I was saying. TL Type S.

• 45:24Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you know, Nick is the only person at this table who's had an Acura.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. Shout out TSXClub.com. Helped me pick out the right lowering springs and window trim blackout kits before I told it.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  Whenever we say Acura, people get incredibly enraged in the comments, like, it's Acura! And it's funny, because like, first off, obviously we know that, but second, this is a made-up word. A marketer has told you that it's pronounced Acura, and now I'm telling you it's pronounced something different. We're all making stuff up here. Probably, if it was existed today, an AI press release would tell us how to pronounce it.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  It was created in 1984 by NameLab, a San Francisco-based naming firm.

• 46:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's like Canberra. Is it Canberra? Is it Canberra? This was all made up. This was all made up. Nick's sitting here, what's Canberra? It's the capital of Australia, Nick. It's not Sydney. I know this is shocking to you. Nick, for $100, name the capital of Canada. Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side, but Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us.

• 46:42Doug DeMuro?

  Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com, not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  The whole country? Continent?

• 46:56Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go with Victoria, British Columbia, because I was just there.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Just there.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Well, they had a Capitol building. I think it's the capital of British Columbia.

• 47:08Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, you got this?

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, Ontario.

• 47:10Doug DeMuro?

  Ontario. The whole province is the capital of Canada. Americans do not know what the capital of Canada is. That's the news to take away from this. It's a city called Ottawa. All right, move on to, what do we got next?

• 47:21Speaker 02

  We got the-

• 47:22Speaker 03

  We're gonna get angry text from- I barely know the capital of California. This is not an important thing to know for the day-to-day functioning of Nicky Lube.

• 47:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's, all right, you know what? Let's move on to the-

• 47:33Speaker 03

  I was like, oh, oh, oh, quick, let's go to Sacramento.

• 47:36Doug DeMuro?

  Let's move on to the talk car segment. Let's talk about Nicky Lube. Nick, what's the status? Are we doing this, or are we screwing around and just talking? Because me and Filippo are ready.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  I got my wallet out.

• 47:46Doug DeMuro?

  For those of you who don't know what Nicky Lube is, Nick has decided there needs to be a premium offering relative to Jiffy Lube. So you got Jiffy Lube, which is all about speed and cheap. Nick wants to do a premium offering, which is ironic, because he himself would never pay for it. Nick, tell us how Nicky Lube's going.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  I have a meeting on Friday with a private equity individual to seriously-

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Whoa!

• 48:07Speaker 03

  He did financial modeling and all of this stuff. And I'm trying to get in touch with Alex Partners to make an offer on Lucid as our first offering. It's a good hedge, that way if oil changes dry up, pun intended, we can shift the-

• 48:22Speaker 02

  You can have an EV company, yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  So yes, I'm basically diversified. Nicky Lube, and we're also rebranding. Actually, I came up with the slogan.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Did you need to name lab or no?

• 48:32Speaker 03

  A lot of people wrote to me and said, Nicky Lube doesn't sound serious, like, it's gonna be hard to raise funds with that. And it's also not clear what it does. And I agree. So it's gonna be Nicky Lube, and then the tagline is "for luxury oil changes only," or "for loco for short."

• 48:52Speaker 03

  So that's, that's where we're at with it. We have a tagline. We have a logo and we might be buying Lucid.

• 49:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that sounds great. Man, this all sounds great. Um.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Are you, are you in?

• 49:05Doug DeMuro?

  Am I in as an investor?

• 49:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, or otherwise.

• 49:09Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't invest.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Can I at least change your oil?

• 49:11Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't invest. I wouldn't bring any of my cars there, including I wouldn't even bring my, what my 2000 Mercedes Benz station wagon there. Wouldn't happen.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I, I am thinking of going undercover boss and trying to get a job at a, like a quick lube, just to understand the business better. But in the meantime, I'm just gonna start offering oil changes to people. So if anyone wants one, I got an extractor.

• 49:33Doug DeMuro?

  All right. I, I gotta tell a story. Uh, I gotta tell a story here about Car Week, cause Nick's wants to talk about Car Week.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  I can't wait.

• 49:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, last year at Car Week, um, I brought my Countach and it was widely considered to be the greatest car there.

• 49:49Doug DeMuro?

  No, but it was cool and, and it got me into Quail. I, I, it was entered in Quail and, which is like the premier event for, for younger people. And it was so cool to see it there and to participate. And while we were there, Nick had sort of a crisis of faith, let's call it. And when we were having lunch, me, Nick and Sean, Nick kind of flipped out. He was like, my Murcielago is not cool enough. I need something that is cool enough for Quail. It's cool enough to get me into Quail. And I, all summer before this, I had been talking about how SLRs were too cheap. And I mentioned it for the ninth time to him, then there at that lunch. And it, for some reason he latched onto it. And by the end of the day, he was calling dealerships nationally about SLRs, like losing his mind. Anyway, bought his SLR, thanks to me, uh, you're welcome.

• 50:34Doug DeMuro?

  And, uh, and any, the fire damage one that he's got. And, and he has been driving it and it's all excited. He's got this special car and it is a really special car. And so then he tries to enter it this year in Quail and he got rejected.

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  So I see on our note here, you have a question of what should you bring to Car Week, your Range Rover convertible or your SLR? Presumably because the SLR, we didn't make it into Quail. Now you have some wiggle room.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Yes and no. So the challenge is my Range Rover convertible is the ultimate car spotting car.

• 51:04Doug DeMuro?

  It is.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  And I enjoy, half the fun of Car Week is just driving around and seeing like crazy stuff in traffic. You and I spotted that four, five, six Venice. With your Countach doors up, that was like probably like the best five seconds I had, um.

• 51:19Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Without a woman present. Um.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  It's true. Um, so, so the car spotting is epic and the Range Rover is perfect for that. However, the other part is driving down the PCH, um, and, and blasting, like having fun spirited drives, of which the SLR would be perfect.

• 51:40Doug DeMuro?

  Here's what you do.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  I, I want to trailer one behind the other, but the L405 does not have a trailer hitch installed and it's a very involved process.

• 51:48Doug DeMuro?

  Is it? How?

• 51:49Speaker 03

  It's a car that was made for towing.

• 51:50Doug DeMuro?

  And like weld the support thing on and all that. Like if it was an option with the trailer hitch, like. First off, Phil Chung, Phil Chung could do it for you in 48 hours. I'll bet you anything. I'm serious.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:01Doug DeMuro?

  He's got a welder. He knows what he's doing. Phil Chung could get that done for you. First off, that's a guy we know who does stuff. HG Performance, right?

• 52:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 52:09Doug DeMuro?

  Secondly, um, you, what you should do is you should bring the range, but make Sam be the one who says he wants it. And that way you can, you can be like, I'll bring it if you let me borrow your car for some drives. Cause he'll say you should bring the range. Don't you think?

• 52:25Speaker 03

  I think so. Yeah. I mean, it benefits the whole group, right? Cause we can squeeze five people in there and kind of enjoy it and experience it together. So I, I feel like the selfless thing to do is to bring the range. Also, I don't put any, I don't want to put that many junk miles on the SLR in case I do decide to sell it.

• 52:41Doug DeMuro?

  To Scottsdale.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  It's Monterey's further.

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  Barely.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Barely, but.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  He's, the problem, the problem is Filippo, what we've learned is he's coming up on 10,000 miles.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:52Doug DeMuro?

  He's like mortified of going over 10,000 miles. And so.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  I'm at like 7,400. So it would put another thousand plus miles on it. It's not a big deal.

• 53:04Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I think you'd end up coming back from Car Week at close to nine, i- if you did it, drive it up there.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:10Doug DeMuro?

  Be a good drive.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  It, it'd be a good drive, but then I would, I would almost be forced to sell it afterwards to.

• 53:15Doug DeMuro?

  It sounds like you're kind of there though.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  I'm thinking, I, I've, I've went out on manual swapping it. I was, I was gonna manual swap it and then I'm just like, ah.

• 53:24Doug DeMuro?

  That's okay. Transmission can't handle it anyways.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  I, I know. I, I think it could be done. I don't think it would be a problem, but it's still just like, it's such a special finicky car that like, I just.

• 53:35Doug DeMuro?

  I agree.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  I, I would rather just get a manual.

• 53:38Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? It's not finicky. It's, that's the cool thing about it. That's the specialist. Aside from my Ford GT, I think that is like the most robust special car you can buy.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  But it doesn't, the, the manual is not, that doesn't feel right for it.

• 53:51Speaker 03

  I'd, no, I, I think it would be great as a manual. I, I.

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  Plus you're not a manual guy. You're not a manual guy. All your cars are auto.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  I, not the E55.

• 54:01Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I don't know. I, I can't make up my mind there, but it just, it feels like a big decision. I gotta get rid of some cars before I can start dumping more money into them. Cause I'm broke. Um, and then if I'm trying to buy Lucid, you know, I gotta.

• 54:14Doug DeMuro?

  You're, you're about to take on what?

• 54:16Speaker 03

  I assume those are like $18,000 a piece and they probably have a couple thousand unsold. So.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Lucid has about $3 billion in debt right now. Just FYI.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  Oh, so maybe I can get it for free.

• 54:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's not how that works.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  No, like the dude that bought Red Lobster, he just like took out more debt to cover the debt and.

• 54:32Doug DeMuro?

  It, that is actually how.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Ended all you can eat shrimp. Like that's, that's how we do it.

• 54:36Doug DeMuro?

  I thought he brought it back.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  They did. Yeah. No. That was a new, new leader that brought it back after fixing the problems. Never been.

• 54:43Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe that's part of the strategy too, including with Nicky Lube. You, you do something bad and then you bring back the good stuff and then people.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  All you can eat shrimp while you get your oil changed, only at Nicky Lube.

• 54:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, there's a partnership opportunity for you.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. We'll have great toilets.

• 54:58Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Um, what else we got? Any other talk cars?

• 55:04Speaker 02

  You were just in Alaska and Victoria.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's not, there's not. It was a good palate cleanser before Car Week. Did not see a lot of cars. There was, uh, I mean, part of it's being on a cruise ship. There's not a lot of cars. Yeah, no. Uh, Victoria, I saw a lot of Mitsubishi Outlanders, Kias and Hyandas. Um, not, not a huge car scene in Victoria from what I saw. Alaska had a lot of trucks. I saw you drove a truck to the office today.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I drove my truck, 1973 Ford F-250, my wife's truck, I should say. Uh, it's there behind me cause it's running great. Thanks to our friends at Autozone.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Thank you for finally driving it.

• 55:37Doug DeMuro?

  You got tires? You got tires on there?

• 55:40Speaker 02

  There are four tires in there. There's two more in the bed.

• 55:44Doug DeMuro?

  So what, you have new tires on the truck or not?

• 55:46Speaker 02

  I didn't say new, just there are four tires on it, one on each wheel and two more in the bed.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Honestly, just drive it to one of the blues out.

• 55:52Doug DeMuro?

  It is dangerous to other road.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  I, I agree. I, luckily the office is very close to, to my house. And so it's.

• 55:57Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think that makes a difference. That's like the people who say, oh, my kid doesn't have to wear a helmet. We're only going to wherever. And then they.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  And I don't agree with that fundamentally, but I, I feel okay with this, but the new wheels and tires are coming very soon.

• 56:09Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it better be really soon. Cause you're driving around on 30 year old tires.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  We don't know the age. It could be 28.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Uh, they're a little older on safe. I did get told by somebody I was negotiating on Facebook Marketplace for a set of wheels and tires.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Um, for that truck, there are other cars. And I asked for a date code on the tires, cause I wasn't gonna buy more old tires. And he said, I don't have a date code, but my used tire guy told me that the date codes are kind of a lie and they're okay as long as they have tread, as long as they're under 30 years old. And I was like, nope. Not how that works. Not factually accurate.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  It turns out to be a little bit more complicated than we all think. You know, I, I, maybe I told you this, but I read through the Paul Walker police report.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:54Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, when it went on the anniversary, which was like eight to 10 months ago. And, um, the police report went to the manufacturer of the tire that was on the car. Because a lot has talked about how the tires were old and the tire manufacturer said that the tires should be okay for 10 years. And we all, for us, it's like five. And that's in the police report. But for us, it's like, oh my God, after five years, you gotta change a tire. That's not what the manufacturer of the tire said, which was kind of interesting. Uh, now in that case, they were 20 years old, but the real factor of that car was that it was going, uh, 93 miles an hour in a 35.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:29Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, get new tires.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yes, they're coming.

• 57:32Doug DeMuro?

  You got any other talk cars or can we move on to the market report? I got a lot, a lot to say.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Let's, let us move on.

• 57:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to start with the Evo. Can you pull up the Evo, whoever's got the thing?

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 57:41Doug DeMuro?

  Guys, we sold an Evo. Is it gone? Who bought it?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Uh, it is still here in the office for right now, but it's getting shipped out very soon.

• 57:49Doug DeMuro?

  Is it going? I thought, is, is it, where's it going?

• 57:52Speaker 03

  I don't recall.

• 57:53Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we'll never know where this is. I hope it's going to the Evo, the world, the global Evo museum. It's going to the Evo.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  You guys can't disclose that. It's a violation of HIPAA.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Uh, no, but it is incredibly cool.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  Hundred and forty grand.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 58:08Doug DeMuro?

  Hundred and forty grand for a very, very low mile early Evo. I'll tell you something, of all the cars I've ever reviewed, maybe only seven of them have made me actually want to purchase the car. And this was one of them. And about five of the other ones I actually have bought. And I wanted Evo bad. This car was so great. Hundred and forty thousand dollars for this car. It was like six hundred miles or eight hundred miles.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Eight hundred, nine hundred, something. I will say it's the highest Evo eight result by about fifty, sixty grand. To be fair, it's also the nicest Evo eight surely in existence. Quite a result though.

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, what would you, what, how bad do you want an Evo eight?

• 58:48Speaker 03

  I, I have to say, both seeing it in person and looking at these fantastic photos, I want one. I'm with you. A black wouldn't be my first choice. I'd want some more miles so that I could really toss it around, but they are so cool.

• 59:02Doug DeMuro?

  They're also so good. I imagine you didn't drive this one, Nick, but they are so good to drive. I was shocked by how much fun it was.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Felipe won't let me drive the cars in the office because of insurance.

• 59:11Doug DeMuro?

  Well, not the nine hundred mile Evo. I only drove it myself like five miles, but it was enough. It's funny because I just drove it back to back. I had that oh four STI that we had in the office, which was also like three hundred miles. And I drove them basically back to back, like a month apart. I mean, it was really, really close for, for car reviewer Doug time. And the Evo is, the Evo was just more athletic. It felt more athletic, which is funny because I've always been a Subaru. Like between the two, I've always been the WRX guy, like my heart. And I actually came away preferring how the Evo drove it. It felt a little harder. It felt a little more frenetic, more frenzied, more, more like an athlete.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  I really enjoyed your video on this one, in particular, driving segment where you go into that because I can just tell, knowing you so well, that you were truly having fun.

• 59:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 03

  Like some cars, I can tell you're just like in there because you need to review it and like that car, you were like, you were legit. And you weren't just like wearing your tennis whites, like running an errand. You were like, I am driving this and I am loving it. And you were present and in the moment, like I could just tell that you, you were in your, you're in your zone.

• 1:00:09Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. And, and I'll tell you, I didn't have the Evo on my list of cars I want until I drove it. And now it is like probably, when I finally replaced my Subaru, which I've owned now for several months and I've enjoyed. When I finally replaced that, I hope it's with a nice Evo. It's very hard to find nice Evo eights and nines.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  Because a lot of them got modded like crazy and a lot of crazy stuff happened to them. There's a lot of stories out there. But it'd be cool to get a nice one.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  I have to, I have a question, right? So we did sell the two competitors, both for the, the two small, compact sports sedans. And the similar mileage, both unmodified, the WRX SCI was by far the more like famous color. One oh seven versus one forty. Clearly the market is saying something about Evo preference here.

• 1:00:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think the market views the Evo as more special. That's also true of the older ones. If you look at the Evo fives and sixes, they sell for way more. I am continually astonished, honestly. One of the cheapest cars I think we sell relative to what I think it should be worth is when we sell those early Impreza WRXs and STIs that are imported from Japan, the nineties ones. It was that, that Impreza was sold from like ninety-two to oh one, at least in the States. Those cars I think are so unbelievably cheap. We'll sell like a clean STI for like eighty-eight hundred bucks or something. And it's right-hand drive, but it's like a nice car otherwise. And I sit there and watch those results. And every time a good one comes across, I honestly think about throwing in a bid and just having one, just to kind of screw around.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Been for a couple of months.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I wonder if some of that for the Evo love is related to the fact that it died, right? The Evo ten was the end of it. They don't make more of them. I wonder if Subaru value, WRX SCI values would be higher if they didn't till twenty twenty.

• 1:01:48Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I have a suspicion there are also a lot more Subarus. I don't know the numbers, but I just, just from looking around, I bet you there's like a lot more Subarus.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  Doug is so back on cars that he's color swapping a Ford GT and considering throwing his hat in on Subarus and Mitsubishi's.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:02:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is, this is wild. Subaru, just the Mitsubishi. But, but only once I'm done with my Subaru ownership. I'm only three months into my Subaru ownership. I want to be clear. And it's been a great three months. Honestly, it truly has, but I'm not ready.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  Hasn't broken down once. Yeah.

• 1:02:19Doug DeMuro?

  It hasn't broken down, hasn't stranded me.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  What's the cost of ownership in like?

• 1:02:25Doug DeMuro?

  Zero, because it is, it is a fantastic car, fantastic car.

• 1:02:32Doug DeMuro?

  Let's talk about the F eighty. Felipe, pull it up.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  Let's do that indeed. We sold yesterday BMW M three with no miles, four hundred and thirty miles, six-speed manual, competition package, sanitary blue for ninety-five thousand, five hundred dollars. This is the highest used F eighty result we can find. I will say incredibly, somebody optioned this car to ninety-seven thousand dollars. So it did depreciate relative to the MSRP, which is just ninety-eight thousand, really. Three grand of that was a Silverstone accent trim.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  It is quite a specked out car, but clearly retaining value for a car that, again, an automatic F eighty M three would be

• 1:03:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Half the MSRP.

• 1:03:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know, we, we had that crazy E ninety-two M three sale the other day and the other place sells some BMWs. And we've sold a couple of E thirty-nine M fives really well. And something interesting hit me. BMW has been trying to make a sports car since I've been alive. There was the M one, there was the Z eight, there was the I eight, there was the M four GTS. They've always tried to capitalize on all these GT three type cars and they've never been successful. All those cars were kind of flops. And the market seems to appreciate the really good examples of just the regular M cars. Like it's almost like it's enough for enthusiasts. It's like, hey, wait a minute. You don't have to make an M four GTS for us to love you. And that E ninety-two M three that we sold the other day was proof of that. This car is proof of that. There's been a lot of recent high BMW sales

• 1:03:59Doug DeMuro?

  that have all kind of pointed to the fact that like there are enthusiasts out there who really do like these cars and want to spend up for them.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  And where like, I am a little surprised by this because you could go out and buy a G eighty M three that still has a manual transmission, still similar, but there's something that people are loving about the slightly smaller size. That feeling like every M three gets a little bigger, looks a little worse, maybe. There's something people are loving clearly about this era, the E ninety era, where it's maybe a little bit more compact. A little bit more what you associate as a BMW M three.

• 1:04:33Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, if you're doing a BMW M three museum.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Right. For example, can I talk about one other car that's live right now?

• 1:04:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  We have an Earth roamer live right now.

• 1:04:44Doug DeMuro?

  You know, you know about this Earth roamer, Nick?

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Only from the key channel.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, our, our friend on the key channel did a really great drive across parts of Colorado with what, with two of them. Neither of the ones they drove though was this one. This is like the big boy. Apparently it had up about a one point seven million, one point eight million dollar sticker.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Price. It is their largest, to my understanding, model.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up some interior photos. Let's see what it looks like in there. Nick, Nick, you ever think about living in one of these?

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Not in this particular one, although I was offered a, like a fifth wheel that I'm seriously considering.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  This is different.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  No, it, it looks, it's inside, it looks similar to that. Like it looks like a standalone RV.

• 1:05:25Doug DeMuro?

  Wheel. You are, what are you going to pull it with?

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  Uh, well, that's whatever my wife's new car is.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Hmm. I support this for you. I think, I assume it'll be parked in like the side of your house as every fifth wheel is.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  No, that's the other part. I don't have parking or a tow vehicle, but other than that, it's, it's the fifth wheel.

• 1:05:44Doug DeMuro?

  And by you were offered, what does that mean? Like you found one on Facebook Marketplace?

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  My, my dad has one that he bought new. It has only moved once from his property. And I've been told that if I'm capable of removing it, I can have it.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Not capable of removing it. The Earth roamer, wait, who are if I had one point eight?

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  Luckily, they don't hold.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  Reserve is a little less.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  A little less. They do all their own woodwork.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gorgeous.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Apparently the like actual camper is carbon fiber for weight reasons.

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  And like virginia reasons.

• 1:06:18Doug DeMuro?

  Good thing that's not going to go down like the Titan submersible to the Titanic.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, Earth roamers are the like pinnacle of the luxury do everything RVs. And this is the pinnacle of the Earth roamers. Uh, I'm excited that we have it and I just like, this is more space than a lot of houses and it costs more than a lot of houses.

• 1:06:36Doug DeMuro?

  Where, where is it located? Where is it located?

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  It's here in San Diego.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Really? Oh my gosh.

• 1:06:41Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, this is your opportunity. Step up.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  It is the ideal vehicle for like, if you lived in Wyoming or somewhere with a lot of space where you're going on like road trips, like you want to go fly fishing in a remote destination, you bring your hotel or your campground with you, basically.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  And it's the most luxurious hotel you could want fundamentally. It is truly just so nice and fancy.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  I used to King Ranch.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  They use a King Ranch. Yeah, I'm joking around. That's ball.

• 1:07:06Doug DeMuro?

  Earth roamers are the coolest things in the world. I grew up in Colorado. I remember seeing them around here and there, but only like when you went up to like Yellowstone and like Rocky Mountain, National Park and places like that. That's where people are using them. They're really, really, really cool. They're very special vehicles. This one is serious. I assume it's four-wheel drive.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. It is really nice inside.

• 1:07:26Doug DeMuro?

  It is better than your home. Think.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  I know that.

• 1:07:29Doug DeMuro?

  Think about all your sliding doors that are kind of off their track. Like this could be your home.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Hey, man, we have luxury vinyl planks, all right?

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  They have actual wood.

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  Luxury.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  They, they.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  It's not luxury wood. It is just wood.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  I think that they say luxury vinyl plank. It's a plank. It's supposed to make you think it's as good as wood.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  It's not. It's more.

• 1:07:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, luxury vinyl is still below just regular old wood. You understand?

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  Are your, is your luxury vinyl?

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  You might, you might argue that.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Because this has radiant floors.

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, this is pretty legit. I'm not joking. It's truly.

• 1:08:04Doug DeMuro?

  Rover is cool. You want to mention the nine nine six briefly? We sold the nine nine six for a ton. As it deserved to be.

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  You sold this for Evo money. Nick, sold it for Evo money.

• 1:08:15Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I sold the nine nine six turbo in two thousand and twelve for thirty-four thousand United States dollars.

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  I know. That was the thing. It was always known as the bargain nine eleven. And obviously this one is incredibly low miles, incredibly well presented. It is representative of the top of the market. But I mean, there was a time where the idea of a nine nine six turbo selling for six figures was laughable. And now, I mean, we're, we're pushing, you know, after fees, one sixty plus for this one. Pretty wild.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  It's an incredibly nice one, obviously, right? X fifty package, twenty-one thousand miles, red. But it, the nine nine six market, we talked about this last week, I think, when this was still live, like it is up. It is up. It's up more than we maybe realized. By the way, shout out to the buyer who is also the buyer of our NSX. He's building like quite a collection of cars and now he has a three hundred and twenty thousand mile NSX and a twenty-one thousand mile nine nine six.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:09:11Doug DeMuro?

  My nine six turbo, don't sleep on it, folks. All the Porsches are going up, whether they should or not.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:09:16Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not, I'm not disputing that or debating it. Um, okay. I want to move on to the questions, the questions. The questions, of course, are brought to you by Nicky Loop for loco.

• 1:09:30Doug DeMuro?

  You too can ask us a question. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab, and there will be a post there whenever Ryan Lopez gets around to doing it that says, "Ask us your questions." I have to say, this week's questions are the finest questions we've ever had in our entire history of the Cars and Bids podcast. We've been doing this podcast for it feels like 25 years, and these questions were the very finest of them all. And let's get to them.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Let's.

• 1:10:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, first question from Larry C88. "Hey guys, what were some of your favorite racing video games growing up? I played Cruisin' World on N64." Nick, you got any favorite racing video games?

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Cruisin' World was great. I agree with that. I love the F355 Challenge simulators. If I was in an arcade, I was an N64 guy, so it's hard to pick a favorite there. I also really love whenever I see the Fast and the Furious arcade games. Big fan of that.

• 1:10:34Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, did you ever play any of these games?

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  I mean, have I played? Sure, but like not regularly, like Need for Speed or Gran Turismo 3 or 4 or whatever.

• 1:10:44Speaker 03

  Cruisin' World is the one where it ended at the White House and like Bill Clinton was in the roof in a hot tub. Like, it was very non-polit...

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  With who?

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  That was the point. Like, it was clearly not Hillary. Like, it was just random women. Like, imagine doing that in a video game now.

• 1:11:00Doug DeMuro?

  I played all the video games. I had Playstation. Gran Turismo, you know, changed my life. I've been a multi-month super owner because of it. I love the R34. I love all those cars. Gran Turismo like really was a big component of that. But my very favorite video game of all time is a video game called The Getaway. Filippo, do you know this about me?

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  I did not know this about you. I think I know the video game.

• 1:11:24Doug DeMuro?

  The video game is called The Getaway, and it was based in London. And this was before there were a lot of video games that sort of you could walk, you could like free roam around a map of a place. And this video game was based in London, and you could play the storyline or you could just drive around London. And also, the game offered turn signals, which very few, for the cars, very few games do. For literally hours a day, every day, I would just drive around London. And to the point where like even to this day, I could probably pretty well guide you around the main central part of London just from my memory and knowledge of this game.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  Could you do the knowledge? The taxi test?

• 1:12:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's basically what it was, honestly. The taxi drivers didn't even need to do that. They could just play the game for a few weeks. But I loved this game. There were a bunch of different kind of crappy cars in it, and I spent so much time. I got more video game miles in a Vexol Vectra than basically any other car.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  I want to give a shout out to a couple of computer games.

• 1:12:28Doug DeMuro?

  So?

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  There was Bus Driver, where you drove a bus. There was Truck Simulator. There was also like a German drivering test, driver like training game where you drove around in an E36-3 series around like Munich or something like that. There were some good games of that era. They weren't really playing video games, but they were high class.

• 1:12:51Doug DeMuro?

  You played Truck Simulator, you?

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Of course. Not often. I didn't play very many video games of any type, but you know, sometimes.

• 1:12:59Doug DeMuro?

  What'd you do?

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  I did more Bus Driver than Truck Simulator, obviously.

• 1:13:03Doug DeMuro?

  But like, if you weren't playing video games, what were you doing out there in Filippo Land?

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  I read a lot, spent time outside.

• 1:13:10Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you'd spend time outside? You'd just go outside and spend time?

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  I would bike around. Sometimes I would bike around and read at the same time, which in retrospect was not the best idea, but it worked.

• 1:13:21Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I tried to, I tried to bike the other day while texting. You ever done that?

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  For legal purposes, no. For real purposes, most of the time that I'm biking, if I'm not on a road, yes.

• 1:13:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Ian Greer, and this is a great, great segue to Doug and the group. "What were the early days with your driver's license like? What were your dumbest or luckiest car stories from your youth?" Nick, I'm sure you've done some really dumb things. Go ahead and tell us about them.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  I think I can incriminate myself.

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  Tell the one where your wheel fell off.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that was a good one. Fast and the Furious had come out. I wanted to paint my calipers red because a lot of...

• 1:14:01Doug DeMuro?

  What car, what car was this?

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  95 Ford Explorer Sport. Sport.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  To be clear, sport was not sportier. It was two doors.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  It was a two-door and it was red, much like that.

• 1:14:09Doug DeMuro?

  It was a coupe. It was a rear-wheel-drive coupe. I mean, what do you want?

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Was it not four-wheel drive?

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  I took out the floor mats for weight savings. Like, you're creative when you have a limited budget.

• 1:14:19Doug DeMuro?

  Those cars back in that era, Filippo, were rear-wheel-drive until you switched them into four-wheel.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  I know, but he lived in the north. I assumed four-wheel drive. I'm sure you had to enable four-wheel drive.

• 1:14:30Doug DeMuro?

  He's driving around in a rear-wheel-drive, you know, two-door, bright red. Okay, so what happened?

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  I didn't tighten the lug nuts all the way. A wheel flew off at 45 miles an hour. Thankfully, it did not hit the uncoming traffic, but it crossed over the medium and then bounced a bunch before coming off.

• 1:14:47Doug DeMuro?

  Did you recover the wheel?

• 1:14:50Speaker 03

  Yes. It was not reusable. Like, I had to find another KMC 18-inch chrome wheel. They had aftermarket wheels on this, of course. 18s were like big at that stage, too. I wrecked that car five times. Well, one I got backed into. I hit a telephone pole twice, two different poles.

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  No, ice, just clear summer day.

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  One with snow and ice. One I avoided an accident and then like, like had to hit a telephone pole instead.

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  I don't think you avoided an accident, then.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Well, the lady like turned left in front of me. That one, I was not at fault. It was the only one of the five.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  You got backed into. You were at fault for that one.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  They kept rebuilding it. And so then my sister gets it as a hand-me-down, and she's like, "Mom, Dad, like, this car's kind of janky. Like, it does not run right." And they're like, "Oh, you just be grateful you have a car. You're spoiled," or whatever. Then my dad drives it once. My sister was never allowed to drive it again. They immediately traded. Like, it just, nothing ever worked. Like, if your car's on the verge of getting totaled, this is why I always say like, "Make sure it gets totaled." You do not want it back if it was on life support. And then especially if it's been wrecked like four or five times, like, there's no bringing that back, especially a 95 Ford Explorer to anything remotely considering like a factory ride quality again.

• 1:16:07Doug DeMuro?

  Um, Filippo, what was the stupidest thing you ever did as a teen driver?

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Did a lot of donuts in the snow, but that's stupid. Of course. Wisconsin snows a lot. You got a Honda Pilot. It's got all-wheel drive. Do some four-wheel donuts.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  My stupidest thing was putting three 12-inch JL Subwoofers in the back.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that sounds right.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  And then bumping Nelly as a suburban white kid in Ohio.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  But that's what all the suburban white kids in Ohio are.

• 1:16:33Speaker 03

  The amount of attraction I generated, like for no rea... Like, I thought I was so cool. I had, what do you call that? The frosted tips.

• 1:16:40Doug DeMuro?

  Did you really?

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  Long hair, bumping Nelly. Like, it's embarrassing to think about this image right now.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  I think everybody knows.

• 1:16:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I can totally see it.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  What did you do, Doug?

• 1:16:51Doug DeMuro?

  I got a ticket in when I was 16 years old for going 76 miles an hour in a 35 zone. Did you know that? Did I ever tell you that?

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Did that not get your provisional license ticket?

• 1:17:02Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  16, that's rough.

• 1:17:03Doug DeMuro?

  Back at 16 in Colorado, you got a full license then. All those provisional requirements came after I got my driver's license, almost right after. Like, by, within five years, there were all these rules about, you know, you have X number of points and until you're this age and you can't drive with passengers in the car. But I didn't have any of those rules.

• 1:17:22Doug DeMuro?

  And so I got that ticket, and it was, they basically, I got sentenced to community service, believe it or not, which I did at the public library, which was great, honestly.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  Speaking of restrictions, you know what I learned this week? Or maybe I knew but was reminded of? You cannot technically drive in Manhattan unless you're 18.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  Or any of the five boroughs, actually.

• 1:17:47Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Nick, don't go to Staten Island anytime soon.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  I don't think I would be wanting to drive as a 16-year-old in Manhattan.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  Well, maybe you live in Staten Island.

• 1:17:58Speaker 03

  It's probably good. I doubt they really run into that problem.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I doubt they enforce it either, but interesting. Good fact.

• 1:18:03Doug DeMuro?

  You know, Filippo, one time I was with my friend Joe in an 80 Series Land Cruiser, and we were doing donuts in a church parking lot and got a ticket. A police officer sighted us.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Is that the Joe that Hoovy...

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  attractive?

• 1:18:17Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I'm not going to comment on that whole thing anymore. It's got a little crazy.

• 1:18:24Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, uh, next question for Burling and Bill for Doug and his team members. Doug reveres the Countach as his favorite car he owns. Yes, the greatest car of all time, actually. Both Doug and Nick have praised the Murcielago as a great value supercar. Yet no one talks about the Diablo. Why do you in the market see the Diablo as less significant or valuable? To start, the market does not see the Diablo as less valuable than the Murcielago. The Diablo, generally speaking, most, the average Diablo is worth more than the average Murcielago. Generally speaking, Nick, why don't you answer why we're not bigger Diablo people?

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  Ownership experience. Uh, I, I, I pursued a Diablo. I wanted to buy at Bolian's. I actually drove it. I really loved it. I talked my friend Matt into getting a Diablo over a Murcielago, or at least didn't stop him from it. But they are incredibly, the Murcielago is actually a very pleasant, easy ownership experience. There's a few gotchas, but for the most part, like it runs when you want it to run. It's pretty well supported, both aftermarket and OEM. The Diablo is in this no man's land of like nineties Lamborghini and like random dudes owning the company, then Chrysler owning the company and like parts bin specials and you basically have to send it to George Evans in Columbus for anything more than an oil change.

• 1:19:41Doug DeMuro?

  Shout out George.

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  Um, it is a very expect, like you, you should expect to spend tens of thousands of dollars per year on a Diablo maintenance. On a Mercy, maybe that over the total lifespan.

• 1:19:54Doug DeMuro?

  The Countach is, is also expensive to own, or at least that's the theory. It hasn't been my finding, but but, and this is the second part of your, your point, probably. The Countach is cooler. I mean, I, I think, I think that the, the truth of the matter is the Mercy is, is the best of all worlds because it's an awesome, crazy, in your face, amazing thing, but it's not that bad to own. The Countach is, is the coolest. I mean, there's no question. The shape is the coolest, the, the history, the, the cultural experience. And so to me, it is more worth putting up with the ownership issues. The Diablo, while still incredibly cool, is not as cool as the Countach. And while probably a little easier to own than a Countach is not as easy to own as a Mercy.

• 1:20:36Doug DeMuro?

  You could look at it as sort of a compromise in between, but when I'm talking about a wedge shaped Lambo, I'm not really looking to make a compromise. Like I either want one that I can use a lot like the Mercy or one that is just so insane like the Countach. I love the Diablo. I think the SE30 is amazingly cool. I was on that train long before anybody else.

• 1:20:54Doug DeMuro?

  And, uh, I think it's

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  What was that look for?

• 1:20:57Doug DeMuro?

  People have, people have talked up the SE30, even though I had a model of it on my desk when I was in college in 2009. Anyway, that's how I feel.

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  If having diecasts is, is claiming to be there early, I've also been big on Diablo. I will say the Mercy is on a huge rise right now. I regret selling mine because I think it would be worth more now. The other site sold a low mileage, but an eager car for well, mid 700s, like there, there, there may be a world in the not so far future where Mercys are fetching more than the Countach. Um, especially since Countach has been pretty stagnant. Um, I think Diablo's have always been across the board because there were so many variations, like the early ones are rear wheel drive, then you had the all wheel drive, then you had the six O's, then you had the pop up versus the non pop ups.

• 1:21:45Doug DeMuro?

  Both the Countach and Diablo require a certain level of sophistication to understand the differences between all the cars. That is certainly true. It's, it's, it's complicated. And it requires like, it would be like me trying to buy a, like a special watch, like I know nothing and I'd be overwhelmed. And I think that, that kind of problem kind of presents itself in the Countach and Diablo world. I just, I, to me, it's just, it, for, for the people who I know who have owned them have had a lot of problems. More than my Countach, if I'm being honest, although I think that may not be entirely like the general truth. But I, at least as many, and yes, Lamborghini had multiple owners then the cars were getting more electronics then. And, um, and I just don't think it's as cool. Like if I had to choose between the Countach and Diablo to, to use to have, it's not even close. Like the, I think the Countach is

• 1:22:29Doug DeMuro?

  the Countach personally and the Diablo is A.

• 1:22:32Speaker 03

  I, I agree with you, although I would buy the Diablo. If I could get like a nice six O or whatever. Partly because you have the Countach and I couldn't give you that win if I followed in your footsteps, but for me, like as a nineties kid, the Diablo has a special place in my heart. The Countach, I was still like in utero, like I, it didn't imprint on that same level.

• 1:22:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I, I thought I would feel the same way and then, but the time I've spent with my car has just completely changed my life in a way that I never thought it would.

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  No, I'm happy that you're so happy.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  To be clear, Diablo is still incredibly cool. Just

• 1:23:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  A little bit of the in-between child.

• 1:23:05Doug DeMuro?

  From Mark 433, on this same topic, from Mark 433, hi Doug and friends. You're a Countach owner. Why do you think the Testerosa, despite being the Countach's main competitor, isn't as valuable today or is widely regarded? I think about this a lot actually, because Ferraris, generally speaking, the Ferrari corresponding to the Lamborghini is worth more money. In almost every case, the corresponding Ferrari to Lamborghini, the Ferrari is worth more money. Except for Countach Testerosa, where it's not even really close. You can still buy a Testerosa pretty easily for 200. Countach's are at least four, five, six to a million. No Testerosa is coming up to that number.

• 1:23:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's kind of surprising and I, to me, it's because the Countach is way cooler. The Countach is also way less common. There's like 12,000 Testerosas and there's only 2,000 Countach's.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  There are 12,000 Testerosas.

• 1:23:57Doug DeMuro?

  Some, well, they made them for, forever. They made them from like 83 to 95, if you count the F512Ms. They were being, they were in production for a long time.

• 1:24:07Doug DeMuro?

  A Countach, I just think is a cooler car. It had like, it was like the cultural icon of its time. In a way, the Testerosa wasn't quite in my mind.

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• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Fair. I don't disagree with that. I, I do think the Testerosa though is, it, it is a, a value. I think they're way cool. I think they're slept on. I love, I mean, speaking of video games that we mentioned earlier. Who didn't play Outrun and just stare at the taillights of one forever? They are just, there's something about the styling that it's so ridiculously nineties that it's cool again. Uh, I could just, I could stare at that. Like I, I personally think this would be a really fun car. If I didn't want to go for a Countach and spend the money, like this, this to me presents 80% plus of that experience at a fraction of the cost.

• 1:25:23Doug DeMuro?

  Hey Nicky Lube, why don't you consider one of these? They're like, they're like cheaper than an SLR. You could sell your

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  I might, I hear our, our good friend Ken and R has one in the, in the pipeline. And actually I know the current owner of it, who's also a really cool guy, Dylan. So I, I, I'm not saying that I'm going to bid on it, but I'm not saying I'm not, not going to bid on it. So we'll see.

• 1:25:44Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I think it'd be pretty cool for you. It's like kind of up your alley.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  It really is, and it would be an interesting first Ferrari.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Surprise value too.

• 1:25:53Doug DeMuro?

  Two more questions, two more questions, two more questions. Uh, from Troy Legacy GT, dear Doug, what can you tell us about your time as a Saturn salesman? Folks, I sold Saturns. Nick, you're aware of this, right?

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  Yep. Oh yeah.

• 1:26:06Doug DeMuro?

  I sold Saturns when I was in college. I was a Saturn salesman. Filippo's dream job, I might add.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  Well, cause it's a, it's a no haggle position.

• 1:26:16Doug DeMuro?

  So I worked at the Saturn dealership in Decatur, Georgia, which has been rebranded as Stivers Subaru. Filippo, you could pop down there and sell Subarus right now.

• 1:26:28Doug DeMuro?

  And, um, it was great. I worked there in the heart of the recession when Saturn was absolutely going out of business and it was a disaster. I only sold one car in like three months there. It was not a Saturn. No one was buying the Saturns. I still wonder to this day, what happened to all the outlooks we had.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  You sold one car in three months?

• 1:26:46Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, I want you, well, three months. I mean, I was, I was in college, so I only could come into the dealership like two days a week or something like that. And it was a used car.

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  Huh? Why did they employ you?

• 1:26:59Doug DeMuro?

  Because the other people weren't exactly doing better. This was

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  No one wants that job in terms of the commissions and the product you're pushing. Like you have to find the lowest of the barrel.

• 1:27:09Doug DeMuro?

  This was summer of oh nine or spring of oh nine, like right the worst part of the recession. And it was Saturn, which was kind of on the brink of going down. Everybody kind of knew that. It was always going to be a problem. Now Filippo, can you name the final Saturn lineup?

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, you bet.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  Uh, there was the Saturn V.

• 1:27:29Doug DeMuro?

  We had the Mexican-built V, which was the Chevy Captiva Sport. And after Saturn ended, it actually continued as the Chevy Captiva Sport. Okay.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Uh, Saturn Aura.

• 1:27:38Doug DeMuro?

  The Aura?

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Yep. The Saturn Ion. Still exists, I believe.

• 1:27:43Doug DeMuro?

  The what?

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  The Ion still.

• 1:27:44Doug DeMuro?

  The Ion was gone. There was, the Ion was gone. It was replaced by a different entry-level Saturn. Do you remember what it was?

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  I will get there. Oh, of course, the, the, the Astra.

• 1:27:53Doug DeMuro?

  These Saturn Astra.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  Which was a great product with a mediocre engine. I loved the Astra in Europe. Uh, the Outlook. And was the Relay still for sale in 09?

• 1:28:02Doug DeMuro?

  Relay was not for sale, but you're forgetting the big one, the cool one. The one everybody came into the showroom to see.

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  The Saturn Sky, yeah, you're right.

• 1:28:08Doug DeMuro?

  Sky, we had one Sky. We had one Sky. And people were coming by just to like, see how low we'd go on some of these cars. And they were low.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  In theory, by the way, Saturn's model was the same as Scions, which is we, we won't actually haggle, right?

• 1:28:21Doug DeMuro?

  Scion also failed.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Um, I think it was a good model.

• 1:28:25Doug DeMuro?

  That was Saturn at the end. I remember we had an Astra. There were no sunroofs in the US Astra's. And so we had a guy come and cut a sunroof into it, which, which back in the day was pretty standard practice at dealerships, but I think, I don't think they do that anymore.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  No, thankfully. What was the one car you sold?

• 1:28:40Doug DeMuro?

  It was a Hyundai Elantra.

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  Nice. What, what year?

• 1:28:44Doug DeMuro?

  Like an 11.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 1:28:47Doug DeMuro?

  No, it couldn't have been 11. It was in 09. It must've been like an 06 or 05.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  That was a good, was it a hatchback or a sedan? Both were offered.

• 1:28:54Doug DeMuro?

  It was a four-door sedan. It was a good, we even had a used L300 on the lot, which was great because that really rounded out kind of the whole product portfolio. Type in Saturn, see if we, see if we sold any Saturns on the website.

• 1:29:07Speaker 03

  It, it is amazing that you went from such humble beginnings as a used car salesman to running, uh, the number one website to buy a cherry red 996 Turbo.

• 1:29:16Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a minute, this was a new car dealership. Okay, I want to be clear about that. This was a new car.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  But you only sold a used car, so you were a used car salesman.

• 1:29:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I suppose that's true. Yeah, a lot of, we sell a lot of Skies, which is like cool.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  We sold some others. SC2 and LW1.

• 1:29:32Doug DeMuro?

  SC2, those were the days, man, I'm telling you.

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  An Ion years ago.

• 1:29:37Doug DeMuro?

  Now, do you remember when the Ion came out in 03? That you, the theory was you could interchange the roof panels. Do you remember this? So that you could have different colors? You remember that?

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  I don't remember the roof. I, I, obviously it was still like the plastic composite, whatever.

• 1:29:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. 2003 Ion, the roof rails were, could be, could be swapped out for roof rails of a different color.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:29:59Doug DeMuro?

  And type in 2003 Saturn Ion, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. And it was supposed to be like doable by the consumer at any time. And of course, no person ever did it. And I think even by 04, it was completely gone. Yeah, there you go.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  Was it just a coupe?

• 1:30:15Doug DeMuro?

  What's that? Yeah, well.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  The SE, whatever it's called.

• 1:30:18Doug DeMuro?

  In 03, I think there may have only been a coupe. Uh, but that was how it was supposed to be.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  I miss Saturn. Love Saturn.

• 1:30:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, you don't. All right.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Saturn Ion was a tragically bad product.

• 1:30:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, final question. Actually, we'll do two more quick questions, two more quick ones, Filippo. Uh, from Uncle Bubbles, hello Doug and friends. Since Doug always qualifies every, everyone else's cars with cheeky insults like bad-colored G-Wagon, bad-wheeled 911 Targa, the TTS that Nick Money shifted, TTRS, the fire-damaged SLR, shouldn't we start referring to the Countach as the car that Doug crashed into his garage? No. And the reason we can't do that, Filippo, tell them why we can't do that.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Doug crashes Ford GT into his garage.

• 1:30:57Doug DeMuro?

  I've crashed multiple cars into my garage.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  Wait, did, did you hit your garage with the Countach too?

• 1:31:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hit the garage with the Countach, hit the garage with the Ford GT. I've actually, I scraped the tire cover on the G-Wagon with the door going down. I've had a lot of incidents in there.

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it would be too common of one.

• 1:31:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, when, when they lay out all those insults, you kind of sound a little mean.

• 1:31:23Doug DeMuro?

  You, oh, I sound mean? Has anybody ever talked to you?

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  I think if you guys had an HR, I, I might be filing a complaint.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  We do have an HR.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  Do you?

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  I am the HR.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  You're the HR?

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  Has, has anyone ever filed a complaint against Doug?

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  No comment.

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:38Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 1:31:39Speaker 03

  I think, I think he needs sensitivity training. I'll, I'll conduct it.

• 1:31:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is a legitimate question. This is a legitimate question. And, and I, and I think that we should address it because it's a real question. From Baxter8279, why are McLarens labeled as rich guy go-fast cars? They are bought by people who actually drive them. They have maintenance issues, which makes them difficult to own, and they provide exceptional driving experiences. Yes, they are flashy, but isn't that true of almost every enthusiast supercar? Someone who buys a McLaren seems to be making the classic enthusiast trade-offs to get a great driving car. It's an interesting question. It's an interesting question.

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  That guy definitely doesn't own a McLaren.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Definitely not. For the record, there are a lot of rich guy go-fast cars.

• 1:32:19Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue, we, we make fun of McLarens because the whole lineup is rich guy go-fast, but I would argue that almost all of the modern, it used to be, here's how it used to be when I was a kid. All right.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:31Doug DeMuro?

  You go into the Ferrari dealership, you can't buy a car. You can't buy a car. You can't buy a car at the dealership for God's sake. You gotta know a couple of people. You gotta have had a 612. You, you have to have had a Maserati.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  You couldn't buy a Mondeal unless you knew somebody at the Ferrari dealership?

• 1:32:47Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that wasn't when I was a kid. That was, that was earlier. So anyway, that, and, and also, you know, there was, there was a panache to that experience, right? There was something to that. Now, anybody can stride into a McLaren dealer and get one for 25 grand off. You know, that's, that's part of it.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  Fair. May, there's like an availability issue. I don't.

• 1:33:08Doug DeMuro?

  Availability is legitimately part of it because what I think of rich guy go-fast, I think of, I just sold my company yesterday. I got a lot of money and I want to look cool. What can I do? And you go to Ferrari, they don't have any cars. So you go to McLaren and they're like, we got this blue one and it's 25 grand off and it's really fast and you could be driving it this afternoon. And that's why it hits me. He does make some good points though. Like McLarens are bought to drive a lot more than the other cars.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. You, you don't see a ton of low-mile.

• 1:33:35Speaker 03

  Right. No one's preserving them. They're, they're putting tunes on it and downpipes and.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  I should support.

• 1:33:40Speaker 03

  Putting their Instagram handle on their rear windows.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't, they're good cars too, but.

• 1:33:45Doug DeMuro?

  I don't necessarily think that rich guy go-fast is necessarily a negative attachment.

• 1:33:52Speaker 03

  It definitely is.

• 1:33:54Doug DeMuro?

  Well, well, because what's the option? Like annoying rich guy put in, put in closet? Like that's what a lot of the Ferraris are, the Carrera GT. You know what I mean? You get my point?

• 1:34:05Speaker 02

  Sorry, annoying rich guy was put in the closet?

• 1:34:07Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, the guy wasn't put in the closet. The car was put in the closet. All these cars now, all the cars that we hail as the great icons, like the Carrera GT and the F40, the F50, they're rich guy goes zero. That's what those cars are.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  Right, I, I, it's why we also don't like the rich guys who, who get a more rare version of the car they currently own because they think it looks cooler.

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  Like the Ford GT Heritage?

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  It's in that same, yeah, like that.

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  I hadn't thought about that, but yes. Same as a class. Uh, rich guy go-fast, I, I think there's also like an availability of speed thing broadly. Where like, why do you buy a McLaren? Because you, all, a lot of cars are fast. All cars are fast to some extent. You buy because you want the best performance, you want the fastest. How do you get there? You just have, need to have money. Like that's the only barrier to entry to duck.

• 1:34:52Doug DeMuro?

  I, I don't, I don't love cars in general where the sole barrier to entry is that you're rich. I think that, to me, there's always like a not.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  I think that's how the market works.

• 1:35:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's not though, because the Countach, which is sitting behind you, is often purchased by rich guys who think the sole barrier to entry is being rich. And then they cannot handle the car. The Hamilton guy, there's a bunch, a bunch of those guys, right? That, that they literally cannot handle like not having a dealership and Bluetooth and a cup holder and like a dealer you can take it to when there's a problem and you get it back. Like there is more to a lot of these cars than just being rich. And I think a lot of the rich guys, oh, my Bugatti's coming next. Oh, my Rimac is coming. I ordered this, I ordered that. To me, that doesn't require like a level of even enthusiast interest. It just means I'm rich and I want to prove myself with these new, brand-new toys. And I think there's something special about like getting a real enthusiast car that requires

• 1:35:48Doug DeMuro?

  like real enthusiasm. Even the Ford GT, which is pretty easy to own, or even Nick's SLR, like you have to, you kind of got to know what you're doing. Those are special cars and you have to know what you're doing with those cars.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I think the person asking the question makes a legitimate point that McLarens actually are kind of difficult to own, ultimately. They're a little fragile, they're a little buggy. Like if you want a no drama, no complicated, I mean, I guess under warranty, maybe you could argue it's somewhat easier, but even then, like no one wants to deal with taking your car into the dealership, getting the, the entertainment system rebooted for the eighth time. Like there are easier rich guy go-fast experiences. There is some difficulty, especially at a certain McLarens. Um, I, I kind of agree with the premise. I don't, I think, I, I think we have conflated the type of people who buy McLarens.

• 1:36:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:34Speaker 03

  Who are often obnoxious people and, and brought the whole brand down with it, much like Cybertrucks, you know? Like, hey, like it's actually a really cool car, it's just that the type of people that buy it.

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  You want to hear my Cybertruck truck?

• 1:36:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. Can we keep it in the podcast?

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  You know, you know the real problem with the Cybertruck?

• 1:36:52Doug DeMuro?

  What's that, Nick?

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Not enough room for all the chicks you're gonna get.

• 1:36:58Speaker 03

  Yikes.

• 1:36:58Speaker 02

  And, and when they come up, you know, you're at a traffic light. I'm, I'm stealing this from someone, by the way. We can give them credit. You're at the traffic light, you know? Women that come up, can't figure out how the door works.

• 1:37:10Speaker 02

  It's a big problem. I, I want to say, speaking of the Cybertruck, I wasn't going to bring this up in the, in the news, but I'm going to now.

• 1:37:16Doug DeMuro?

  It's bad. You saw that article from Bloomberg?

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  I saw that article from, from Bloomberg that is basically saying that the Cybertruck is the worst relative to sales expectations set by the manufacturer.

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  I'm sure.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  It's the worst since the Ford Edsel.

• 1:37:29Doug DeMuro?

  Which is kind of, which has kind of been a historical industry, like bottom tier, like the Mendoza line in baseball, like bottom tier. You don't want to go below, you know, the Edsel because that was like the lowest of the low. I, the, the numbers are pretty damning. And it also gave, this article I read, I just read on the beach, gave registration statistics and it said something like 7,000 were registered this year, but no, no indication of how many of those 7,000 were registered to Elon's companies. And by all.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  The majority.

• 1:37:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, by all accounts, like that's a huge portion of Cybertruck's sales right now. So.

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:00Doug DeMuro?

  Things are.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  It's not the worst-selling car, but Tesla expected about 250,000 a year to be sold.

• 1:38:06Doug DeMuro?

  And in the very first year, what did they sell?

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  38, 39.

• 1:38:10Doug DeMuro?

  38, didn't do, hasn't really done well. Um, no. All right, that's the end of our podcast today. We haven't got a conclusion about the McLaren thing. We got a noodle with it. Uh, but I do want to remind everybody that we are, we as a collective are looking for a Ford GT Heritage, 2006 Ford GT Heritage. And if you have one, you send a note over to Sean at carsandbiz.com and I'll tell you this, if I don't get one within two, three weeks, I'm going to start giving out Filippo's email address. All right? And it ain't going to be pretty.

• 1:38:39Speaker 03

  I, I, I think based on Sean's email address, you could probably figure out Filippo's without a lot of help.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  Saved by the fact that a lot of people misspell my name.

• 1:38:47Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  And I don't have aliases set up for it. We're good.

• 1:38:50Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna, Nick, I'm gonna start giving out your email address, pal. Get ready. You better find me an 06 Ford GT Heritage.

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  I don't work here.

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  I'll make you one.

• 1:38:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I got, I know your email. You think I don't know your email? You want me to say it right now? You want me to say it right now?

• 1:39:02Speaker 03

  It's also an uncrackable, you could never guess it.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Anything you want to plug, Nick?

• 1:39:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what do you want to plug? You doing anything? This is the end.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  I had something good to plug. How about Nick'sCarBlog.com, a blog about Audis?

• 1:39:17Speaker 03

  Well, if you go to NickyLube.com, actually.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  How many ads do you have on there?

• 1:39:22Speaker 03

  My God.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  I, I, you know, really want to monetize the content that I wrote 10 years ago.

• 1:39:28Doug DeMuro?

  All right, that's the end. Goodbye, everyone. Nick, absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for joining. Filippo, love you dearly. Goodbye.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  Goodbye. Watch out for those garages, Doug.