Pod Insights Flagrant Husband with Da HEAVIES, Ye Banned for Jew Hate, + Summer House is Wrestling for Women | #699 About this episode YERRR – the boys are back on their fitness arc, but it quickly turns into pure chaos.
– Peptides, “The Final Fat,” and everyone suddenly getting in shape
– Belly button hygiene, heightmaxxing & red light district stories
– Ye getting banned, big game hunting & white boredom
– SummerHouse DRAMA explained by an expert
All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE.
0:00 The Final Fat + AquaMark
10:30 Everyone’s in shape + Narrow lead
16:16 Covering up, Peptides + Alexx’s insta
21:51 Riri, Kristi Noem’s husband kink + Bateman
26:43 Smelly belly buttons, Spanish fitness + Ladybwoys
33:49 Red Light district, Bully + Heightmaxxing
36:58 Druski skit, Whites down bad + Asians are white
44:50 Nuclear football, Counter strike? Wild animal lovers
52:28 Big game hunting + White boredom
58:03 Ye banned from Wireless + SoFi performances
1:06:36 Kalshi streak
1:11:43 Summer House + Amanda/West Dramz
1:50:45 When did it start? It’s so gauche + IT’S REAL TO ME
2:02:30 It might not be real… + Never trust Adult Blonds
2:07:19 Where is it? Paige DeSorbo + Andy Cohen = Dr Phil?
2:12:00 Needing ATTENTION + We need escape
2:20:46 Live Reunion Show, Predatory + Easy win with GFs
2:26:00 Single women in their 30s + TEAM AMANDA
2:32:10 Alexx is CRAZY, Strangers + Most Moral to Least
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Transcript 33,710 words · 6 speakers
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0:00 Speaker 00 What's up everybody and welcome to Flagrant. It's your boy Schultz, Alex Media, Marky Gags.
0:05 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
0:06 Speaker 00 In the building and um.
0:08 Speaker 02 And Miles Media.
0:09 Speaker 00 Oh, sorry, Miles Media. Miles Media. Miles Media is in here.
0:13 Speaker 02 That's a good point.
0:14 Speaker 00 Give yourself a drop. Give yourself a drop one time.
0:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, let's go. Fuck. I mean, come on, bro.
0:22 Speaker 00 That's why I didn't say it. That's why I didn't say it. He wasn't ready to in his moment, bro.
0:25 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
0:26 Speaker 02 Come on, dude.
0:26 Speaker 00 Um, what you're asking and shout to Robert Kelly because he had a whole special, I think, named after this.
0:31 Speaker 02 Yes, the final fat.
0:32 Speaker 00 The final fat.
0:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
0:34 Speaker 00 Robert Kelly hilarious comedian, but uh, but yeah, you asked me if I'm getting to this point where I'm like, I'm not gonna lose the weight again.
0:40 Speaker 02 Hmm. You were a young. You gained weight. You were just like, yeah, I got to a point where I've gained a couple pounds.
0:44 Speaker 00 It's the point where it's like, if I have pizza, it's like a two week stint.
0:49 Speaker 02 Of pizza?
0:50 Speaker 00 No, it's like it stays on me for weeks. I used to have like, I used to be like, when I was a kid, it was like three shits, I'd be back in shape.
0:58 Mark Gagnon? How do you keep telling this lie? You've never been in shape. I'm sorry.
1:02 Speaker 00 You had a pic.
1:03 Mark Gagnon? But never like you used to think you had abs at a certain point.
1:07 Speaker 02 There's one picture of him. He's in the towel. It's like kind of blurry. It's like super far away.
1:11 Speaker 00 Fuck you.
1:11 Speaker 02 No, I'm backing you up. I'm backing you up. There is a picture.
1:15 Speaker 00 The time when you.
1:15 Speaker 02 It's blurry and far away. It was a different time. It was the 1900s. It was, it's typical.
1:19 Mark Gagnon? The time when you were on the island with uh, Duval and no shirt, it was just like no arms and you like flexing.
1:26 Speaker 02 This is a New York.
1:27 Mark Gagnon? Like, I don't know who looked worse, him or Duval, and Duval looks like an alien.
1:31 Speaker 02 New York white dude.
1:32 Speaker 00 Yo, Duval, you gonna take that, bro?
1:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true.
1:34 Speaker 00 You gonna take that from him?
1:35 Speaker 02 I don't go sign that. I don't go sign that.
1:37 Speaker 00 You gonna let him talk to you like that, bro? Come over here and smack the shit out of him with one of your chonkles.
1:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, painted nails and opinions.
1:43 Speaker 00 He got, this guy got painted nails and opinions. It's disgusting.
1:46 Mark Gagnon? Deflection.
1:46 Speaker 00 Um, nah, bro.
1:48 Mark Gagnon? You look good now. I was just giving you a compliment.
1:50 Speaker 00 I'm not taking no compliments.
1:51 Mark Gagnon? And then you just started saying he looks like shit.
1:53 Speaker 02 I didn't say that. I do think.
1:55 Speaker 00 Can we start the problem with positivity? Can we try that?
1:57 Speaker 02 I agree.
1:57 Mark Gagnon? I tried to.
1:58 Speaker 00 Hi, everybody. Hello. My name is Andrew. I'm here with Alex. I'm here with Mark. We're also here with Miles. And we're just gonna start out by saying one nice thing about each other.
2:08 Speaker 02 All right.
2:08 Speaker 00 All right.
2:09 Speaker 02 You start. Okay. That was a diss kind of like.
2:14 Speaker 00 Did anybody pick that up?
2:16 Speaker 02 Did anybody pick that up? Probably, Miles, can you?
2:18 Speaker 00 Okay, I, I'm sorry, okay, I think you look better with less muscles.
2:23 Speaker 02 Okay, see, no, that, cause that's an insult.
2:26 Speaker 00 Why?
2:27 Speaker 02 You're framing like it's a good thing. I don't think I've lost less, I don't think I've lost muscle.
2:31 Speaker 00 You got, you were like, you were Aquaman for a minute, dude. No, no, there was a moment where you were like really beefy and like strong.
2:38 Speaker 02 I talked to Chad, he was here and said that I still have the strength, I just need to lose weight.
2:42 Speaker 00 What have you cut out? You've cut out exercise to be like?
2:46 Speaker 02 I had a kid, and then.
2:48 Mark Gagnon? It's like heroin chic, but you don't look like the heroin has hit yet.
2:52 Speaker 02 I'm coming off a shoulder injury.
2:54 Mark Gagnon? So it's like, it's just chic. Just chic, yeah, there you go.
2:59 Speaker 00 No, but you miraculously.
3:00 Mark Gagnon? The heroin's close.
3:01 Speaker 00 You've lost, you've lost how much pow, how many pounds of muscle?
3:06 Speaker 02 No, I've gained, I've gained muscle, probably. You just can't see it cause I'm bulking.
3:10 Mark Gagnon? I mean, come on, East, you shouldn't lie.
3:13 Speaker 02 I'm bulking.
3:13 Mark Gagnon? Like, it's too close.
3:14 Speaker 00 I'm concerned about, uh, weather that will like expose my body. Like, I, I, like, I'm wearing like hoodies to the gym and shit and they'll be like 60 and I'll be like, I'm keeping this motherfucker on.
3:26 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
3:27 Speaker 00 Cause it's like if I got a tight shirt on, you're gonna start to see the belly.
3:30 Mark Gagnon? Are you gonna do t-shirt in the pool or something?
3:32 Speaker 00 No, I can't.
3:33 Mark Gagnon? If you, if you could.
3:34 Speaker 02 I will, I'll do it. I'll push you in if you want.
3:36 Mark Gagnon? You gonna be like, duh?
3:37 Speaker 02 I'll, I'll, I'll push you in. And then if you're like, why are you wearing a shirt? Nah, someone pushed me in.
3:41 Speaker 00 Dove has so much confidence with the worse body. It's like, he has huge fat tits and hips. That motherfucker.
3:52 Mark Gagnon? He's like the women he did.
3:53 Speaker 00 He looked like he could do one of, one of those dances that his people do?
3:57 Mark Gagnon? Oh, the belly dance.
3:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, like he's built like a belly dancer.
4:00 Mark Gagnon? But he doesn't shake, it just shakes.
4:01 Speaker 00 Oh my god, but he's so confident about it.
4:04 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, it's awesome.
4:06 Speaker 02 He looked good.
4:06 Speaker 00 I wanna say something nice about you.
4:08 Speaker 02 Yes.
4:08 Speaker 00 Okay? I like your, um, metal, I like your like, uh, Harley Davidson inspired WTF Media merch.
4:16 Speaker 02 Yes.
4:17 Mark Gagnon? Thank you.
4:17 Speaker 00 I assume it's Harley inspired? Or biker gang inspired?
4:22 Mark Gagnon? Godspeed. It's a brand that they have graphic tees similar to this.
4:28 Speaker 00 And what do you think they're inspired by, you fucking idiot?
4:32 Mark Gagnon? That's not the only design they do.
4:36 Speaker 02 That was five seconds before an insult.
4:39 Speaker 00 I was trying to be positive. Well, that's awesome that you did the godspeed thing. That's really good. And I like it.
4:44 Mark Gagnon? Black brand, you know.
4:45 Speaker 00 Is it?
4:46 Mark Gagnon? Like to copy black brands.
4:49 Speaker 00 You know. Are you giving them a piece? So you're just ripping off, you're ripping off other black brands. I got it. Okay.
4:55 Mark Gagnon? I've got in 2026, we can lie now.
4:58 Speaker 00 How far, how far off are we from like a micro doo- doosing, micro doosing, micro dosing?
5:05 Mark Gagnon? Okay, I'm like.
5:06 Speaker 00 A, the fat drug.
5:09 Speaker 02 Oh, close.
5:10 Mark Gagnon? GLP-1? He's on it already.
5:12 Speaker 00 Yeah, the GLP-1. Why, why, why, why isn't that the inception of the drug? I don't want to take away my whole appetite. I don't want to change everything. Take away dessert. Take away bread.
5:22 Mark Gagnon? You're not on it yet?
5:24 Speaker 02 No, but I'm so close to doing all the drugs. We're.
5:26 Speaker 00 Guys, guys, let me tell you something. Let me tell you.
5:28 Speaker 02 I'm about to be a peptide king.
5:30 Speaker 00 To be 40 years old and to have children, I don't know a single guy that is my age that is not bring up peptides within the first three minutes of every conversation.
5:39 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, it's gonna kill us all.
5:41 Speaker 00 Do you think?
5:42 Mark Gagnon? I'm on the NAD.
5:43 Speaker 00 You are on the NAD?
5:44 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
5:44 Speaker 02 I just don't think it's free, bro.
5:47 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's not free. Neither is alcohol, neither is coffee.
5:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly.
5:50 Mark Gagnon? Neither is heroin.
5:51 Speaker 02 Okay, I'm not on heroin, alright?
5:53 Speaker 00 I'm not on heroin. I think you're, no, no, no. It's not heroin.
5:56 Mark Gagnon? What is it?
5:56 Speaker 00 But it's, this is the most, if, if we can be the most insulting to Mark, it's you've lost all of your gains.
6:05 Speaker 02 You've gained so much. Dude, I was gained.
6:08 Speaker 00 You need to get a picture of, of his gains, dude. Wait, there is a picture of him coming out of the pool.
6:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, this is like, this is like.
6:14 Mark Gagnon? When he peaked just for 4th of July.
6:15 Speaker 00 Goodness!
6:16 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, this is like 2018, Mark, when he couldn't do a pull-up.
6:20 Speaker 00 Yes.
6:20 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
6:21 Speaker 02 You're back in Pittsburgh when he can't do the, he can't do the monkey bar.
6:24 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:24 Speaker 02 That's what happened.
6:25 Mark Gagnon? That killed you, bro.
6:27 Speaker 02 We're going in cycles, bro.
6:27 Speaker 00 What company is gonna sell the GLP-1, the fat shots, where it just takes, what if it could take away specific meals?
6:36 Speaker 02 That's what I'm saying.
6:37 Speaker 00 Bread. Make me not like bread.
6:38 Speaker 02 It made sugar taste bad. What, imagine that.
6:42 Speaker 00 Isn't that, isn't that what I'm saying?
6:44 Speaker 02 Yes, and, yes, and.
6:44 Speaker 00 Oh, yes, and, yes.
6:45 Speaker 02 What is this? Don't post this.
6:48 Speaker 00 Brother?
6:48 Mark Gagnon? Oh!
6:49 Speaker 02 Hey, I didn't say that.
6:51 Speaker 00 That, that did not come from me.
6:52 Speaker 02 What does it mean?
6:53 Mark Gagnon? Is this fucking nano banana?
6:58 Mark Gagnon? Don't talk about my penis like that.
6:59 Speaker 02 David had this queued up and just sent it to me immediately.
7:02 Mark Gagnon? David is so gay.
7:03 Speaker 00 I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be dead serious right now. Is that you?
7:07 Speaker 02 Yes, that's me from before I had a child.
7:10 Mark Gagnon? No, but this is a real picture.
7:11 Speaker 00 That's a real image or is that a ChatGPT image?
7:14 Mark Gagnon? It's a real image.
7:15 Speaker 00 You have fallen.
7:16 Mark Gagnon? Yo, yeah, I know.
7:18 Speaker 00 No, no, honestly. David's so gay. That's a perfect body.
7:21 Mark Gagnon? It's just David's background on his phone.
7:22 Speaker 00 That's a perfect body.
7:23 Speaker 02 Before and after.
7:24 Mark Gagnon? I didn't know you declined this much.
7:26 Speaker 02 No, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna circle back on that.
7:28 Speaker 00 That's not.
7:29 Mark Gagnon? Look at him on the roid. You see all the fucking veins and shit popping out, son?
7:33 Speaker 00 Mark, that's not, be honest. Is that ChatGPT or not?
7:36 Mark Gagnon? Nah, he was on the test right here.
7:37 Speaker 02 Unfortunately, that was me.
7:38 Mark Gagnon? He was on the test.
7:39 Speaker 02 That was me in my glory days.
7:40 Speaker 00 Holy moly.
7:42 Speaker 02 What happened?
7:42 Speaker 00 I don't think I ever had that.
7:44 Mark Gagnon? He was on the test? A little test?
7:45 Speaker 02 No. No, you can't, cause that shit makes your balls hurt.
7:47 Mark Gagnon? You're mad vascular, bro. Crazy vascular. No, but not the good cut.
7:52 Speaker 02 Oh, not the good cut.
7:54 Mark Gagnon? That's like the Chris Bonwha or whatever his name is.
7:57 Speaker 00 That shit made me uncomfortable.
7:58 Mark Gagnon? No, but the type that like you about to kill your wife and shit like that and off yourself, right? Right before.
8:03 Speaker 00 No, no, cause Ben Wha never had a body like that.
8:05 Speaker 02 Yes, he did.
8:06 Speaker 00 This is, he's like an action figure. Like this is an insane body.
8:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's what happens when you have kids. It just all falls apart. My, my literal thought was like, I wanna get in shape one time before I never get in shape again.
8:17 Mark Gagnon? Yo, why you blaming your kids, bro?
8:19 Speaker 00 It's supposed to be the happiest body you'll live.
8:21 Speaker 02 It's a trade. It's a trade. It's a trade, bro. I'm telling you. If there's.
8:26 Speaker 00 You've always had this before kids.
8:28 Speaker 02 I never had this.
8:29 Speaker 00 Yes, you did.
8:30 Speaker 02 I never had this.
8:31 Speaker 00 Yo, I'm telling you.
8:32 Speaker 02 So my belt.
8:33 Speaker 00 You've never had that.
8:33 Speaker 02 My belt is made of leather, right?
8:34 Speaker 00 You've never looked like this in your life.
8:36 Speaker 02 Can I make this point? My belt is made of leather, okay? Leather stretches. Like, you know how you have a belt?
8:42 Speaker 00 Hmm.
8:43 Speaker 02 For a year, it no longer fits you.
8:45 Speaker 00 Hmm.
8:46 Speaker 02 This shit fits perfect.
8:49 Speaker 02 I haven't even moved a notch.
8:51 Mark Gagnon? You're stretching with it.
8:51 Speaker 02 I'm stretching with the belt. Look at that.
8:54 Speaker 00 Like, do you think this is?
8:57 Speaker 02 That's in good shape.
8:58 Mark Gagnon? Did you just see the picture before?
9:00 Speaker 00 Can we just, hold on, hold on. I know you, I know you're making your point here, but that's good shape and I'm having a king cake in New Orleans. Like, that's good shape.
9:08 Speaker 02 It's good.
9:09 Speaker 00 I would die to have that back. I would do anything to have that body.
9:13 Mark Gagnon? Can you put this side by side with fucking Wolverine Mark for a second?
9:16 Speaker 00 No, no, I'm not saying I'm Mark. I'm not saying I'm Mark.
9:20 Mark Gagnon? Like, that's good shape.
9:23 Speaker 00 Yo, Mark, you could get nutted in.
9:26 Mark Gagnon? I don't lie, Mark.
9:28 Speaker 00 Mark, you can get nutty in here.
9:29 Mark Gagnon? I know, real talk.
9:30 Speaker 00 Whoa, Mark.
9:31 Speaker 02 Don't say that, don't say that.
9:32 Speaker 00 Whoa.
9:33 Speaker 02 What if I have a lighter?
9:35 Speaker 00 Boom, boom, boom.
9:37 Speaker 02 Stop, don't stop nutting me metaphorically, no.
9:40 Speaker 00 Holy shit, I'm trying to put some ice skates on you, Mark.
9:43 Speaker 02 What is that? Okay, no.
9:44 Speaker 00 Mark, that body is crazy.
9:47 Mark Gagnon? This is like that rivalry, the hockey show right there, you got one of those.
9:51 Speaker 02 Okay, for the record, I just wanted to say something.
9:53 Mark Gagnon? I'll try and like binge watch that show, get the fuck out of here. Hey, what a hell, I don't even know the name of it.
9:58 Speaker 00 Fuck out of here.
9:59 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, there you go.
10:00 Speaker 02 Yeah. Also, for the record, my 13-year-old nephew has started listening to this program.
10:04 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
10:05 Speaker 02 Cause like, he talked to me when I was down in Florida, he was like, by the way.
10:08 Speaker 00 What's his name?
10:08 Mark Gagnon? Washed, bro.
10:09 Speaker 02 I don't wanna say, I don't wanna say his name, I can't say his name. That's the family, it's a child.
10:13 Speaker 00 Is he a Gagnon?
10:14 Speaker 02 Yes.
10:14 Speaker 00 Alright, young Gagnon, your uncle could get nutty in here.
10:17 Speaker 02 Okay, no, I know.
10:18 Mark Gagnon? No, he could, he's back in the day.
10:20 Speaker 00 Your uncle could catch the full load.
10:22 Speaker 02 This is inappropriate.
10:22 Speaker 00 And you keep pumping, you don't even stop.
10:26 Speaker 02 I was gonna ask.
10:26 Speaker 00 Full load, keep pumping, until there's nothing left. What the fuck? So everyone's in shape? So everybody's trying to be in shape? So ev- so we only got one picture of me with a king cake?
10:40 Mark Gagnon? I'm just saying.
10:41 Speaker 00 That's the only pictures we have is me with a king cake?
10:44 Speaker 02 Tom, what is this post? Does Alex Media ever really have 9.5 inches?
10:48 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
10:50 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, baby.
10:52 Speaker 02 What's the next, click over.
10:54 Speaker 00 Yo, stay right there, though.
10:55 Mark Gagnon? And you see the difference between non-steroid four-oh and steroid four-oh?
11:00 Speaker 00 Go back, go back, go back, go back, go back. Damn, you look so short.
11:04 Speaker 00 You are so short, it don't even count you're in shape.
11:06 Mark Gagnon? I can take that, cause if your, if your peak, if your peak was that bad, bro.
11:12 Speaker 02 Now you're falling off dramatically.
11:13 Speaker 00 Al, for real, you can't, show Al without Logan, because then he looks like a normal-sized person. You look miniature in that one.
11:21 Speaker 02 Can you zoom in?
11:22 Speaker 00 Look how close your tits are to your belly button, that's not normal. You shouldn't have that little distance between, can you put your nipple in your belly button?
11:30 Mark Gagnon? Uh, I know it sucks that you've never looked good, it must suck.
11:35 Speaker 00 Son, I'm married, I got kids.
11:37 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, so what about before?
11:38 Speaker 00 That's a face swap, too. You don't have that type of chin.
11:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:42 Speaker 00 Look at that, that guy's in good shape.
11:44 Mark Gagnon? Look at that, bro.
11:45 Speaker 00 That guy's in good shape.
11:47 Speaker 02 Who's happier, you think?
11:48 Speaker 00 Son, I look like one of them, one of them whales that will catch a rugby ball. Have you seen the guy's Baluga? Baluga? Yeah.
11:57 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, get a Baluga monster.
12:00 Speaker 00 Damn, bro. I want to say it's because I got kids, but I didn't have any back then. I had no excuse to not be in shape. We all had the same exact time to work out. God damn, Al, you were in good shape. Mark looks better objectively.
12:12 Mark Gagnon? Let's go. Yeah, but that's right. That's right.
12:14 Speaker 00 But he also has a better pose. You're posing too flat.
12:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true.
12:17 Speaker 00 You don't got to bring up the picture to Baluga. Jogi?
12:21 Speaker 00 Jogi, Jogi, Googie Balugas, man. Come on, we know what it looks like. Now you can bring it up, bring it up. Let me see. Let me see what it looks like.
12:31 Mark Gagnon? Nah, Mark, you used to look good, though.
12:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, it's just, and that's just, you put it up on the wall and you say, alright, that was me. You show your kid.
12:38 Mark Gagnon? I ain't even know where he was at.
12:40 Speaker 02 Do Baluga abs. Have you seen how jagged the Baluga is? They're in unbelievably good shape. Yeah, bro, look, look at that.
12:48 Speaker 00 Lowkey, that looks like me on the, on the bed with the king kane.
12:51 Speaker 02 And that's my forehead, bro. Is that great?
12:55 Speaker 02 That's a perfect.
12:56 Speaker 00 Damn, Mark. Oh. How long did it take? Damn, Mark. Yo. I might even clean you up after.
13:05 Speaker 02 Stop, stop.
13:06 Speaker 00 I might even, I'll be like, yo, go fart that out.
13:11 Speaker 02 My nephew's watching this, bro.
13:13 Speaker 00 You got the wet towel by the bedside. Yo, fart that out, fam.
13:17 Speaker 02 Literally, my nephew's watching this. That's inappropriate.
13:19 Speaker 00 Yo, Gagnon's nephew, your, your uncle had it, bro.
13:23 Mark Gagnon? He used to.
13:24 Speaker 02 Had, best thing.
13:26 Speaker 00 That's crazy. And you know when he did it, you did this when wifey was pregnant, right?
13:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:31 Speaker 00 So when his wife was at her fattest, this is what he looked like. You're a son of a bitch.
13:35 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, that's funny.
13:36 Speaker 00 This is my only window to do it.
13:37 Speaker 02 This is my only chance to do it.
13:38 Speaker 00 Nah, that's rude, bro. I at least gained weight with my wife. That's love. That's love. Thank you. That's love and solidarity.
13:46 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
13:47 Speaker 00 Oh.
13:48 Mark Gagnon? You're like, while you're your fattest, I'm gonna look.
13:50 Speaker 00 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
13:51 Mark Gagnon? Damn, that's bad.
13:53 Speaker 00 I think I got body dysmorphia the other way, man.
13:56 Mark Gagnon? You got the dub thing, bro.
13:58 Speaker 00 I think.
13:59 Mark Gagnon? You think you look better than you do.
14:01 Speaker 00 Son, when me and Dove sat next to each other, stood next to each other for this exact pick, I, in my mind, I was like, we're looking at two different human beings.
14:13 Speaker 00 Like, I literally was like, how could Dove even think that he's even close to me? It's closer than you think.
14:19 Mark Gagnon? Yes, that's what I've been trying to tell you.
14:22 Speaker 00 No, that's, that's the straight of ore moves right there, bro. I don't know if you can tell me, that's really close.
14:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's very narrow.
14:30 Speaker 00 That's a narrow fucking lead I had. I had a lead at least.
14:33 Speaker 02 Yep.
14:34 Speaker 00 But it was narrower.
14:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, but then Dove's a tan.
14:37 Mark Gagnon? You have a chin though, so you're good.
14:39 Speaker 00 No, Dove's face card wins. You got a great face card.
14:44 Speaker 00 I was in good shape back then.
14:46 Mark Gagnon? Come on.
14:46 Speaker 00 I was in good shape back then.
14:48 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, you had a tan. I'll give you that.
14:51 Speaker 00 Yeah, this is.
14:53 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
14:53 Speaker 00 Alright, man, we got it, bro. We got it. We got it, we got it, we got it. Can I live?
14:58 Mark Gagnon? How you got love handles?
14:59 Speaker 00 Can I fucking live? Can I live? No, no, I don't got the handles. I didn't have handles back then. I didn't have handles.
15:05 Mark Gagnon? You had the V cut with love handles.
15:07 Speaker 00 That didn't have handles. Nah, I had the V cut. My V is so strong.
15:10 Mark Gagnon? Go back to Dove.
15:15 Speaker 00 Oh, I have love handles. Fuck outta here, bro. That's a V cut, dumbass. That's a V cut.
15:22 Mark Gagnon? You have to grab it where it cuts.
15:24 Speaker 00 No, Dove, Dove, Dove is blocking his handle. That's a V cut, dumbass.
15:29 Mark Gagnon? Comes out, it's protrude.
15:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, cuz I have a muscle there from paddle.
15:33 Mark Gagnon? Where?
15:33 Speaker 00 That's from paddle, that's from getting down for them fucking shots, the little Vebra.
15:38 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
15:38 Speaker 00 Panama, volley.
15:40 Speaker 02 You got a paddle gun.
15:41 Speaker 00 Now, you too lean, bro. That's insanity right there. You can't take a punch. I could take a punch better than y'all.
15:47 Speaker 02 Hmm.
15:49 Speaker 02 We gotta get back to that. How are we gonna get back to that?
15:51 Speaker 00 We not, we not, we not.
15:52 Speaker 02 No, we.
15:52 Mark Gagnon? You're doing it that time.
15:53 Speaker 00 Think I look good right now? We don't have children. If you are in shape and you don't have children, it doesn't count.
15:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:59 Speaker 00 It's not impressive. Yeah, like, what excuse do you have? Imagine being fat with no kids.
16:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, for what?
16:06 Speaker 00 What is your excuse, Miles?
16:07 Speaker 02 It's fucking lit, dude.
16:09 Speaker 00 What is your excuse?
16:10 Speaker 02 I have no excuses. I also have no shame. This shit rules.
16:13 Mark Gagnon? I wish I didn't have that. Like, I mean, I wish I had that.
16:16 Speaker 00 That confidence.
16:17 Speaker 02 I only eat like shit and I'll wear a shirt to bed cuz I'm embarrassed.
16:19 Speaker 00 Son, I did that last night. I did it last night.
16:23 Mark Gagnon? Yes, same.
16:23 Speaker 00 I did it last night.
16:25 Speaker 02 Cause I don't wanna see myself like that.
16:28 Speaker 00 I told my wife it was because the window was open, it wasn't. It's because I had so much bread all day and had pizza from four days ago, it's still hanging on my tits.
16:39 Speaker 02 You feel so gross.
16:42 Mark Gagnon? Winnie the Pooh situation.
16:44 Speaker 02 I gotta cover up. A certain box and I'm sleeping like my girl.
16:49 Speaker 00 I'm getting on a GLP, I just want a little one, cut sugar out.
16:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, imagine they have that.
16:54 Speaker 00 Get it off sugar, except for alcohol.
16:55 Speaker 03 Well, there's a bunch of peptides, reta is one of them.
16:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, the ratatouille they're calling it.
17:00 Speaker 03 They are calling it the ratatouille.
17:01 Mark Gagnon? Oh, really?
17:02 Speaker 00 That's what they're calling it.
17:03 Speaker 03 That's what the looks maxes are calling it, the ratatouille.
17:05 Speaker 00 Really?
17:05 Speaker 02 Cause you got a little mouth.
17:06 Speaker 00 It's ratatouille tied, right?
17:07 Speaker 02 You're tapped in with them? I didn't know you were tapped in like that.
17:09 Speaker 00 I didn't know you acknowledged. I didn't know.
17:12 Speaker 02 Alright, y'all.
17:13 Mark Gagnon? I learned this one.
17:19 Speaker 00 Look at, why would I even take that picture?
17:22 Mark Gagnon? I don't know, bro. I remember when you put it, I was like, alright, he's a comedian, I guess he's going for the funny.
17:28 Speaker 02 Back up on Al's old bullshit post, him standing in front of a car he didn't own.
17:36 Speaker 03 I hated when Al did that.
17:39 Speaker 00 You faker, wait a minute, hold on, you took a picture in front of a car you didn't own?
17:43 Speaker 03 This is my car, what are you talking about?
17:45 Speaker 02 No, there was one.
17:46 Speaker 03 No, there's one for, and then the caption would be like, man, my dreams are like clouds, hi.
17:52 Speaker 00 You used to have little Wayne versus with the N word in them.
17:58 Speaker 00 Don't get sensitive, Al, this shit right here, you take dick in your mouth. Look at that picture.
18:04 Speaker 03 That was wild crazy.
18:06 Speaker 00 Why you got your ankle up on a car bumper, bro?
18:08 Speaker 03 Who's car is it?
18:09 Speaker 00 I really was like, yo. The outfit goes with the car.
18:16 Speaker 02 That's the extent of your fashion?
18:18 Mark Gagnon? It's the colors, it's matching colors.
18:24 Speaker 00 Nothing else is affected out all of the zone.
18:29 Speaker 00 Now, we gotta go to old Al's Instagram. Go to old Al's Instagram. You need to see like, and then we, we need you to see what we see.
18:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:39 Mark Gagnon? Okay, let's go. Let's go. I'm a little afraid right now.
18:42 Speaker 02 With some distance, cause you called it out years ago where you were like, yeah, why you never look at the camera?
18:48 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
18:48 Speaker 02 And picture like you were doing your little fashion shit where you're like looking off into the distance.
18:53 Mark Gagnon? I was nervous. Good. Don't load. All right.
18:55 Speaker 02 Would you delete old photos?
18:57 Mark Gagnon? No, I don't think so. You just have to scroll along though.
18:59 Speaker 02 Oh, this is gonna take a while.
19:01 Speaker 00 It's gonna take a while.
19:02 Mark Gagnon? I put a lot of.
19:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, he'll find it. He'll find it. You never did look at the camera though for years. For years, you were just.
19:08 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I was, you know, not as comfortable. Excuse me. No, I'm gonna die just now.
19:16 Speaker 02 What, what happened right there?
19:18 Mark Gagnon? Nah, I just see a little phlegm or whatever, but nah, I just wasn't comfortable taking pictures before.
19:24 Speaker 02 Here's a great.
19:24 Mark Gagnon? I didn't like it. I still actually don't like it.
19:26 Speaker 00 But then why were you taking them?
19:28 Mark Gagnon? Cause I thought that's what you have to do for Instagram.
19:33 Speaker 00 Nah, that's badass.
19:34 Mark Gagnon? That's fire.
19:35 Speaker 02 That's fire. That shit was sick.
19:36 Mark Gagnon? See? Give me some shit.
19:38 Speaker 02 Is that the, I think there's a bike that, uh.
19:40 Mark Gagnon? Shifty almost died on?
19:42 Speaker 02 I think Shifty got struck on that day.
19:43 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I think so.
19:44 Speaker 00 Oh, no. Oh, no. Yo, shout out Shifty, man.
19:49 Mark Gagnon? Shifty, we love you, man.
19:50 Speaker 00 Shifty the last, we love you, my boy.
19:53 Mark Gagnon? Free Shifty.
19:54 Speaker 00 Free.
19:55 Speaker 02 Joe, I sent you one.
19:56 Speaker 00 Free Shifty.
19:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, we're gonna get it back.
19:59 Mark Gagnon? Yo, Miles, why you working so hard to help Joey right now?
20:03 Speaker 00 No, no, we need you.
20:05 Speaker 00 Nah, this is crazy.
20:06 Speaker 02 Let's get a caption.
20:07 Speaker 00 Let's get a caption.
20:08 Speaker 02 A nine to five is how you survive. I'm not trying to survive. I'm trying to live to the limit and live a lot.
20:15 Speaker 00 We used to have to see this every fucking day.
20:19 Mark Gagnon? Jay-Z lyric in front of my own car. This is fly. Y'all ain't gonna shame me for this one.
20:25 Speaker 00 I stand on this one. I wanna read some of the comments gassing you up. This is like, yo, tell them folk living lavish, still grunting like I'm broke. Black excellence.
20:37 Speaker 00 That's a flick. Why a flick? Guys, quick tour update. Um, finally, after a year and a half, we're getting back out there on the road. I'm very excited. Uh, we, we posted a couple cities. We posted Tampa and Salt Lake, man. Thank you guys so much for selling out those shows. Uh, anybody who reached out, you know, asking if we're gonna add more shows in those cities. It is possible if we do, I'll make sure I post on my Instagram or something like that. But thank you so much. We just added Denver and Virginia Beach as well. I'm sure we'll add some more, uh, cities coming up as we, you know, start to put together this, this, this next hour, man, and figure out what this tour is gonna be like. So I'm excited to come see you guys once again. Uh, I'll probably post on my Instagram if we're adding more shows or most cities coming up.
21:21 Speaker 00 But, uh, theandreshultz.com if you wanna grab tickets for those places. Mark, what you got?
21:27 Speaker 02 April 23rd, Providence, Rhode Island.
21:29 Speaker 00 Yeah, baby.
21:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, comedy connection. And then, uh, thanks, Al. And then Plano, Texas, uh, later this year, mic drop in Chandler, Pasadena, California, San Diego and Detroit, as well as the monthly show that I do with my good pal, David Sanchez and Joey Avery at Mary Lutz's called Static Cat. That is on April 28th, April 28th, yes. And that's it for me.
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22:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, would you take peptides?
22:22 Speaker 00 Would I?
22:23 Speaker 02 Okay. All right. Well, why would you not? Like, what stopped me right now?
22:25 Speaker 00 No, no, no, no, no, no.
22:27 Speaker 02 Really? What?
22:29 Speaker 03 Al's got a picture with Rihanna?
22:30 Mark Gagnon? No.
22:30 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
22:31 Mark Gagnon? Sorry.
22:32 Speaker 02 You took a fake pic with Rihanna?
22:33 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
22:34 Speaker 02 Are you fucking kidding me? Wait, hold on. Go down. No, Joey. Joey, keep going, keep going. A little more, and?
22:40 Mark Gagnon? There you go.
22:41 Speaker 02 Oh, babe.
22:41 Mark Gagnon? It was April Fools, I think.
22:44 Speaker 02 Look at the exact date.
22:48 Mark Gagnon? Oh, she shares the birthday as my mom. Alright, that's why. Yeah, I was running. Fun for the grand, bro. That's a, that's a great ass Photoshop, though.
22:58 Speaker 02 It was April Fools.
22:59 Mark Gagnon? Oh, and then this is the time where you told them to put dicks on my Instagram. So far, for about a year.
23:07 Speaker 02 It's my fault?
23:08 Mark Gagnon? For a year, I was getting eggplants and people were sending me dick pics.
23:12 Speaker 02 Oh, man.
23:13 Mark Gagnon? Because y'all said that on the podcast.
23:15 Speaker 02 That's so funny.
23:16 Mark Gagnon? Al, Al.
23:18 Speaker 02 I thought it was April Fools. It was April Fools, bro.
23:20 Mark Gagnon? I thought it was, it was something.
23:24 Speaker 02 The knee jerk reaction. That picture is from 476 weeks ago. Al's knee jerk reaction. Oh, no, that was April Fools.
23:31 Mark Gagnon? I thought it was something. I knew I did it for a reason. But I guess just to, you know, get my shit off.
23:37 Speaker 02 Damn. February 20th. Yeah. Black history, man. It was black history.
23:41 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, and people expect it on April Fools. You do on February 20th, who sees that one? Yo, can we?
23:48 Mark Gagnon? Shut up, Mark.
23:49 Speaker 02 No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm bailing you out. Can we, can we free?
23:52 Mark Gagnon? That's a fine picture, though.
23:54 Speaker 02 Can we free Kristi Noem's husband real quick? Can we just free him real fast? Is that? Yeah, get some, get some pics up, dude.
24:01 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I gotta stop shaming this guy, bro.
24:03 Speaker 02 I look like him. When he, when I saw that picture of him with the titties, I was like, this is me in the mirror now. Like, that's what I look like. That's why I'm putting on that t-shirt before I go to bed. Them nipples is like Casper tell eye.
24:20 Mark Gagnon? Yo, that's funny. That's funny.
24:23 Speaker 00 Can you explain to me what this absolute saint is doing?
24:27 Speaker 02 Oh, poor guy.
24:28 Mark Gagnon? And what type of new phrase is that with the face? Like, is that some type of mogan?
24:33 Speaker 02 Binboification.
24:34 Mark Gagnon? No, no, no, but like the clavicular sayings. Like, what? Does that have a name for that type of face when somebody's doing that face?
24:41 Speaker 02 That face?
24:41 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
24:42 Speaker 02 No.
24:42 Mark Gagnon? No? Frame mogan or some shit like that?
24:44 Speaker 00 Duck lips maxin?
24:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, he might be duck maxin'. He might be DSL maxin'.
24:48 Speaker 00 DSL maxin', yeah.
24:49 Mark Gagnon? Okay.
24:49 Speaker 00 So what's the deal? Like, he's just into crossdressing and that's? And he's being shamed for this?
24:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's into this. This is kind of his, like, his little kink. And apparently, this has been going on for a long time. He's married to Kristi Noem, former head of the DHS. Did you hear that? Is it Jumanji back there?
25:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, we just, they're doing some construction.
25:08 Speaker 00 They're constructing something.
25:09 Speaker 02 It just sounds not part of our studio.
25:11 Speaker 00 Good cadence.
25:12 Speaker 02 Part of something else.
25:12 Mark Gagnon? Yeah. That does sound like my pump. I was like, I'm right here. Yeah, they got my rhythm down. Yeah.
25:21 Speaker 02 But then you're like, wait, I'm not fucking.
25:23 Mark Gagnon? I'm not fucking right here.
25:25 Speaker 02 You short-stroked.
25:26 Mark Gagnon? Who's playing my shit? You went too far back.
25:29 Speaker 02 Somebody playing my hit.
25:32 Mark Gagnon? I was like, that's on my grams too, fuck.
25:35 Speaker 02 Man, this is how it feels to be your neighbor, bro. Isn't that crazy? Think about that. Al, you're short-stroking?
25:40 Mark Gagnon? This is like towards the end, when you're...
25:43 Speaker 00 Yo, do you try to like, like, slow and do all the rhythm and all that kind of stuff?
25:48 Speaker 02 It depends how I look.
25:49 Mark Gagnon? I'm just trying to last.
25:50 Speaker 02 If I look like Brian here, then no. But if I'm looking like old Beluga Morris?
25:54 Speaker 00 Were you fuck different when you were in really great shape?
25:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think so. You kind of feel yourself, you know, you got, you get a mirror on the side. Ooh, okay.
26:01 Mark Gagnon? Oh, yeah, Merita.
26:03 Speaker 02 But then now you see a mirror and you're like, oh my, what is that guy doing to that girl? You see yourself in the mirror and now you're like, oh, low.
26:10 Speaker 00 Yeah, the mirror is insane.
26:12 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, you need mirrors all around your house. It keeps you looking better than that.
26:15 Speaker 00 Keeps you in check, right? Yeah, what is better than that? That was such an unnecessary thing to say.
26:21 Mark Gagnon? It would encourage you to like...
26:22 Speaker 02 He's feeling...
26:23 Mark Gagnon? Nah, bro.
26:24 Speaker 00 That's...
26:25 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, you need to, you need some of that.
26:27 Speaker 02 Yeah. You do hit the baby a little bit.
26:31 Mark Gagnon? Come on, you owe it to your wife, bro.
26:33 Speaker 02 He finished.
26:34 Mark Gagnon? She had a kid.
26:35 Speaker 02 Two.
26:36 Mark Gagnon? And, you know, she's doing what she gotta do.
26:39 Speaker 02 What do you owe?
26:41 Mark Gagnon? The fuck you talking about?
26:43 Speaker 02 What do you owe?
26:44 Mark Gagnon? I'm keeping myself.
26:45 Speaker 02 What do you owe to your wife?
26:46 Mark Gagnon? I look good for my wife, she looks good for me.
26:49 Speaker 02 Schultz is a knuckle thief in his own.
26:56 Speaker 02 That's how I judge my fat, how far my finger goes in my own belly button. Watching you talk.
27:03 Mark Gagnon? There's some oil check right now.
27:05 Speaker 02 Bro, you be a good little nutritionist. You bring clients in, you're like, alright, let me take a look. Put the glove on. You think, ah, I got about a knuckle deep, yeah.
27:13 Mark Gagnon? Oh, I know that knuckles probably smells disgusting.
27:16 Speaker 02 No, my belly button doesn't smell.
27:18 Mark Gagnon? Really?
27:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've heard people say that.
27:20 Mark Gagnon? Smell it.
27:21 Speaker 02 No.
27:21 Mark Gagnon? Come on, you white, y'all do that type of shit.
27:23 Speaker 02 No smell. Yeah, I don't. I, I'm honest about smells, can we acknowledge that?
27:26 Mark Gagnon? What about your ear?
27:27 Speaker 02 No, my ear doesn't smell, my, obviously my farts and that kinda shit, yes, but like, no, none of this other stuff. This like belly button smell, I didn't know that that was a real thing. Somebody said that the other day, like, oh, what is your belly button smell like? I'm like, what is that? Yeah, nah.
27:40 Mark Gagnon? So you get in there when you wash?
27:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:47 Speaker 02 Oh, when you say it like that, like, who gets in? I don't think I get in. Don't we all? Don't we all? Aren't you scrubbing it with the loofah?
27:54 Mark Gagnon? I was like, when you asked me about the Rihanna picture just now, come on, man.
27:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, you let the suds get in there. You let the suds get in. You really in shape for no reason, huh?
28:02 Mark Gagnon? For my wife. I keep it together.
28:05 Speaker 02 She not, she not from America, bro, like, you, you have, you can be fat.
28:09 Mark Gagnon? Even more, I gotta keep it in shape. Because they used to, people be in shape.
28:13 Speaker 02 But don't she wanna stay?
28:16 Speaker 02 You know, like, if she wanna stay.
28:17 Mark Gagnon? The way she looking right now, I might be going over there.
28:20 Speaker 02 You going to Spain?
28:21 Mark Gagnon? Fuck outta here.
28:22 Speaker 02 Spain is closer. They might be able to reach Spain.
28:25 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, but right now, they fucking with Trump a little bit too much, they gotta chill out.
28:28 Speaker 02 What you mean?
28:29 Mark Gagnon? Like, they not letting us land on their bases, they're not trying to help at all.
28:32 Speaker 02 So that, that makes you safe from Iran, but it might not make you safe from? From America, dropping a nuke on you. Nah, we can't be dropped, hey, hey, we can't, we can't nuke Spain.
28:43 Mark Gagnon? Oh, yeah, we're recording this Tuesday.
28:45 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, by the way, if anything happens tonight, yeah, if the world is over tonight, we're gonna still upload it.
28:51 Mark Gagnon? I'll be texting Miles. I'll be knocking on Miles' door with my fucking leg hanging off. Just like, yo, get the episode up and make sure that it starts with your, what's up?
29:01 Speaker 02 What's up with Patreon or a regular episode?
29:04 Speaker 00 It's the same shit.
29:04 Mark Gagnon? Type shit.
29:05 Speaker 00 Type shit.
29:06 Mark Gagnon? Type shit.
29:07 Speaker 02 But yeah, Spain wouldn't be too bad, but in order to keep like your girl happy, I feel like you just need to keep up with the level of fitness in Spain. Like you don't need to be like Diesel Diesel, because the average Spanish guy just is regular.
29:17 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, that's why I'm good. But they're getting, they're getting into the fitness over there.
29:20 Speaker 00 She doesn't want the average Spanish guy.
29:22 Mark Gagnon? Hmm. There's nothing about me average, boy.
29:26 Speaker 00 I would say you're below average height.
29:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 100%.
29:29 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I'm actually average height.
29:30 Speaker 00 I think you're below average height.
29:32 Mark Gagnon? 5'9" is average.
29:32 Speaker 02 Based off what? Global average?
29:34 Mark Gagnon? No, American average.
29:36 Speaker 02 The American average?
29:36 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
29:37 Speaker 00 I think your average lady boy. I think your average height for lady boy.
29:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, you'd be a baddie.
29:43 Speaker 00 You are gonna build like a lady boy.
29:45 Speaker 02 You'd be a baddie.
29:47 Speaker 00 You would be a baddie, right?
29:48 Mark Gagnon? No, to me, I'm top heavy. See? Bang.
29:52 Speaker 00 Yeah, but that's what they go for. Like if you're in, if you get a lady boy, you don't want her to look like, or him to look like a girl, girl. Because you could just fuck a girl. You want them to feel a little more masculine.
30:03 Mark Gagnon? I don't think that's how it works, bro.
30:05 Speaker 00 Of course, why not just have sex with a girl? You're paying them. It's a hooker. It's not like you can't just get a female hooker.
30:10 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, but they go to Taiwan because the men and women look the same.
30:13 Speaker 00 Thailand.
30:14 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no, no.
30:15 Mark Gagnon? Oh, yeah.
30:16 Speaker 00 Disney world Disneyland.
30:17 Mark Gagnon? Same shit.
30:18 Speaker 02 You go to Taiwan to get a hooker, bro.
30:21 Speaker 00 Feel like Taiwan.
30:21 Mark Gagnon? Get the CPUs, bro. I'm gonna be Nvidia. Yeah.
30:27 Mark Gagnon? Same shit.
30:27 Speaker 00 No, in all seriousness, I feel like they want a little bit more masculine. That's why they're doing it.
30:32 Speaker 02 They want little Kristi Noem's husband.
30:34 Speaker 00 They want Kristi Noem's husband.
30:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's what you really want. That's what you want.
30:37 Speaker 00 Do you want the baddest lady boy?
30:41 Speaker 00 Why not just be with a lady lady?
30:43 Speaker 02 Cause you want the peace?
30:44 Mark Gagnon? They can't get a lady, so they get the ones that-
30:47 Speaker 00 So, so this is the point that I was making, once you're paying for sex, you can get anything.
30:52 Mark Gagnon? I would think the bad lady ladies charge more than the lady boy.
30:55 Speaker 02 They get a discount, they're like, oh, take the dick on a discount.
30:58 Speaker 00 No, the dick costs extra. They pay more for the lady boy. Lady boy is more.
31:05 Mark Gagnon? Nah.
31:06 Speaker 00 Yes.
31:07 Mark Gagnon? No, the currency is shit over there. Like, it's mad cheap.
31:11 Speaker 00 Yeah, but all things are, Al, you're getting a little over your head right now. All things, all things are, all things are the same because you're paying for it over there no matter what. So you can get a lady girl or a lady boy.
31:23 Mark Gagnon? I thought it's only lady boys doing prostitution over there.
31:26 Speaker 00 No, wherever prostitution lives, you have all types of it.
31:30 Mark Gagnon? Ah, okay. I thought like, if you go there, you're going for lady boys.
31:33 Speaker 00 No, this is-
31:34 Mark Gagnon? That I think you're right about.
31:35 Speaker 02 This is next level gooners trying to give it a spin. This is like the end stage gooners that are like, yeah, let's, let's try it out. That's what I think. They're going over there and they're like, I've always wanted to get one of these, let's, let's give it a girl.
31:45 Speaker 00 I, I think it's that too, like they're desensitized to everything.
31:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:49 Speaker 00 And they like-
31:51 Mark Gagnon? I wanna ask one of these people, Miles, why are you, why are you going?
31:56 Speaker 02 I've never been over there.
31:58 Speaker 00 Can we, that, what an interview. Just like a lady boy connoisseur.
32:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:06 Speaker 00 What would you rather? Would you rather the most beautiful lady boy, indistinguishable from a lady girl? Or?
32:13 Speaker 02 Uh-oh.
32:14 Speaker 00 Oh, that's a little, that's, that's, alright. Alright, so, her or the most beautiful lady boy you've ever seen?
32:21 Speaker 02 Her.
32:22 Speaker 00 And it's just head, you're just getting head.
32:24 Speaker 02 Her.
32:26 Mark Gagnon? Her.
32:29 Mark Gagnon? You laugh because he goes lady boy.
32:34 Speaker 02 Because there's a hundred percent chance that girl has like a pretty hot black boyfriend.
32:42 Speaker 00 Yeah, we can't give Al his ideal girl. That's unfair. That's unfair.
32:49 Mark Gagnon? He called me hot, so I'll take it. I'll, I'll take the compliment now. I have a hot guy. But, nah, you go, you go lady boy, you go a fat one.
33:00 Speaker 00 There's a skinny Jamaican guy around. Right behind her like, why, why? Why you looking at me whale?
33:08 Mark Gagnon? Good boy. And I need a piata, you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do.
33:12 Speaker 00 Get in what you fit in, bro.
33:13 Mark Gagnon? Do what you gotta do.
33:14 Speaker 00 Oh, man.
33:15 Mark Gagnon? No, but now, same question.
33:18 Speaker 02 I mean, probably, I mean, one, yeah, probably that. One of them is sin against God, you know?
33:22 Mark Gagnon? Don't bring religion to it. I hate you. Yo, stop it. Stop it. Make a fucking decision. You going Beluga whale or you going?
33:30 Speaker 02 I wouldn't call them, I would just say they're, they're beautiful women. B, B, B.
33:34 Mark Gagnon? So, do you fuck a woman that looks like Andrew or a ladyboy?
33:38 Speaker 00 Where?
33:38 Speaker 02 Hot, I'm, hold on.
33:42 Speaker 00 Which one am I?
33:44 Mark Gagnon? You know, with a little extra mid.
33:48 Mark Gagnon? You want a little extra? You see, that's Andrew body right there.
33:51 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, I give it a spin. No, I'm not, I'm not above it.
33:55 Speaker 00 No, no, I mean, we've all taken down some big. You haven't taken out big. You've taken out big.
33:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
34:00 Speaker 00 That's been, big is a rite of passage, low key. Big is a rite of passage.
34:04 Mark Gagnon? You haven't lived.
34:06 Speaker 00 Big?
34:07 Speaker 02 Do they have that in Taiwan?
34:09 Speaker 00 Do they have big?
34:09 Speaker 02 If I pull up to Taiwan, I'm like, hey, I need a, I need a big.
34:12 Speaker 00 Did you go red light districts when we were in, uh, Amsterdam?
34:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:16 Speaker 00 Did you walk it? You walked through it? They got big for sale.
34:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
34:19 Speaker 00 Yeah.
34:19 Mark Gagnon? That shit is, that makes me uncomfortable a little bit.
34:21 Speaker 00 What's the red light district?
34:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, just being in the window, just smacking on it.
34:25 Speaker 00 I do not like it.
34:26 Speaker 02 It's a lot, right?
34:27 Speaker 00 I prefer being in there with them.
34:31 Speaker 00 No, no, it is, it does feel very weird.
34:33 Mark Gagnon? Yes. And I remember walking through, we were just like, who feels weird.
34:37 Speaker 02 Seeing shit, yeah. Miles gave it a walk, he told us about it.
34:40 Mark Gagnon? No, he went to the blue light.
34:43 Speaker 02 What's that?
34:46 Speaker 00 Ladyboy. Ladyboy.
34:49 Speaker 02 I liked walking through in like the, the daytime, the morning shift, cause you could see that like the nighttime shift costs more.
34:55 Speaker 00 Yeah. Oh, there were, there were less attractive girls in the daytime.
34:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's like the open mic. Yeah, I mean, for real, that's just girls kinda trying it out.
35:02 Mark Gagnon? Damn, why you shitting on open micers like that?
35:04 Speaker 02 Everyone's gotta start somewhere. You gotta come up.
35:05 Speaker 00 That is a good point.
35:06 Speaker 02 Yeah. But they're starting at like the 12 o'clock shift, you know what I mean? And then they work down to like five, then they get prime time, you know, 10:30, 11.
35:15 Speaker 02 That's what you're working to.
35:17 Speaker 00 What if, yeah, what if it doesn't work out?
35:19 Mark Gagnon? You got open mic body right now.
35:22 Speaker 00 No, he's not that crazy. He still doesn't look like a comedian. There's nothing more insulting than saying.
35:28 Speaker 02 It's kind of win lose either way.
35:30 Speaker 00 A comedian.
35:30 Speaker 02 Cause if I get in terrible shape, I do think it'll help.
35:32 Speaker 00 Oh, it's funnier.
35:33 Speaker 02 Right? It's way funnier. What's funny?
35:37 Speaker 00 This guy.
35:37 Mark Gagnon? So a reader.
35:38 Speaker 00 This guy is insane. I'm about to get ripped to spite him, right?
35:43 Speaker 02 And you can just get on Peppa's.
35:44 Speaker 00 I'm gonna get on a reticule.
35:46 Mark Gagnon? This is what a good friend does. I body shame you until you fucking get in shape.
35:49 Speaker 00 I need to get in shape.
35:51 Mark Gagnon? That's what good friends are supposed to do.
35:52 Speaker 00 But I also.
35:53 Mark Gagnon? I hate when you guys say I look good.
35:56 Speaker 00 We've never said that. Yeah, we never, we never said that.
35:58 Mark Gagnon? There you go. Keep me motivated.
36:00 Speaker 00 But I keep saying you're short and you haven't fixed that.
36:03 Mark Gagnon? It's one day.
36:04 Speaker 02 He's tried.
36:05 Mark Gagnon? He's tried. I'll try. One day I'll get the, the little.
36:09 Speaker 00 Would you do the, would you do the extendo?
36:11 Mark Gagnon? Nah, not.
36:11 Speaker 00 It's too much. It's like a year of your life of recovery.
36:14 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I'm not, I'm not that short.
36:16 Speaker 02 You got a vantage max. Vantage maxing is.
36:18 Mark Gagnon? What's this?
36:18 Speaker 02 This is the clavicular thing.
36:19 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
36:20 Speaker 02 Where he's like, if you bring a girl to your place and you're wearing lifts in your shoes, you take your shoes off. He's like, by all means, you gotta keep your shoes on. So we're lifted.
36:27 Mark Gagnon? I understand.
36:28 Speaker 02 You basically make different spots where you can kind of elevate yourself.
36:31 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
36:31 Speaker 02 And so you just, you put like a little book over here, put a little stool over here and you just kind of bounce from one to the other.
36:35 Speaker 00 But there's nothing, there's nothing that you.
36:37 Mark Gagnon? My wife is stuck.
36:38 Speaker 00 You like had felt that you would do to fix your shortness?
36:42 Mark Gagnon? No, I'm good.
36:44 Speaker 00 But being like a short guy.
36:48 Mark Gagnon? See the short don't bother. That shit he said earlier, that shit, that touch you a little.
36:52 Speaker 02 Wait, which one?
36:53 Mark Gagnon? I don't know. Cause we might cut it out, so.
36:57 Speaker 00 No, no, no, no. We're not gonna, no.
37:00 Speaker 02 When he just mocks you.
37:02 Speaker 00 No, no, when you mock it, yeah.
37:07 Speaker 00 There is no.
37:07 Mark Gagnon? Oh shit.
37:10 Speaker 00 Nah, that guy looks crazy. I don't want to look like that.
37:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:13 Mark Gagnon? That's too much.
37:14 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, that would be sucked to look like that.
37:16 Speaker 00 That would be horrible.
37:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:18 Speaker 00 Guy, man. Can't even do anything.
37:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, right? That's not funny. Come on.
37:22 Speaker 00 There's nothing funny about it.
37:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:24 Speaker 00 Jeez. What else is going on in the world, guys? There are things going on in the world? Hey, Alex, you had an interesting take about the Druski skit. You were, you thought it was wrong.
37:33 Mark Gagnon? The fuck?
37:37 Speaker 02 That's interesting.
37:38 Speaker 00 Remember when you were like, this is wrong and disrespectful?
37:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:41 Speaker 00 To the whites?
37:42 Speaker 02 To the whites of the world?
37:43 Speaker 00 And we were like, no, it's comedy. You can say whatever the fuck you want.
37:46 Mark Gagnon? Yo, I'm losing my mind, bro.
37:48 Speaker 00 Do you remember this?
37:49 Mark Gagnon? I said this?
37:50 Speaker 00 Yeah, you were like, this is wrong and disrespectful to white people who work so hard to give you my freedom.
37:54 Mark Gagnon? Oh, if I said it, I'm standing on it. Yeah, I'm sure it's fucked up, bro.
37:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's bad, right?
37:58 Mark Gagnon? White power!
37:59 Speaker 02 Whoa, okay.
38:02 Mark Gagnon? I mean, wait, do they, do they all do the fist for white power? What do y'all do?
38:06 Speaker 02 I know, there's a very famous one. There's a very, there's a very famous one that moved in.
38:10 Mark Gagnon? Not the straight hand, but I mean, what else do y'all do at white power meetings?
38:13 Speaker 02 I don't know, the fist thing, I don't know if, it doesn't really hit the same, you know?
38:17 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
38:17 Speaker 02 Compared to.
38:18 Mark Gagnon? What's your son? Oh, what's this? What you just did?
38:20 Speaker 02 It's the hitty. That, that one, you fucking throw it out. You can't, I'm not gonna throw it out here, it's great. That's a, that's a classic.
38:27 Speaker 00 White power is like, it's a little beneath us to say.
38:32 Speaker 02 It's kinda bragging.
38:33 Speaker 00 It's like dunking the, you know what I mean? It's like.
38:35 Speaker 02 Garbage time buckets.
38:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's like you're up at thirty and you're gonna be like, we're in power. It's like, we know, everybody knows. Like, it's not like, any, any white people that are doing that, it's kind of embarrassing. It's like, what is that thing called when you're like, um? It's, uh, when people are being like a little too loud? Like, old money people will say it about like, you're being gauche.
38:57 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah.
38:58 Speaker 00 It's a little gauche.
38:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
39:00 Speaker 00 It's a little gauche. Like, the whites still like say white power, just like, ugh, god, please.
39:04 Speaker 02 Come on, yeah, stop saying it's so loud, don't.
39:05 Speaker 00 Guys, guys, guys.
39:07 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, okay.
39:09 Speaker 02 Doesn't it feel like, when, don't you think those whites are saying it out of like pure insecurity? Don't you like that?
39:13 Mark Gagnon? I don't know. It just seems like y'all down bad right now. Like, whites ain't looking good right now.
39:18 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
39:19 Mark Gagnon? There's a lot of infighting, you got dumbasses like Jake Paul, he wants to do blackface, like, he wants to come on our team now and shit like that, so it's like.
39:27 Speaker 02 He's switching up?
39:28 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, y'all down bad.
39:29 Speaker 02 That's permanent?
39:30 Mark Gagnon? I think so, I'm pretty sure. He's been, you know, spending time in Puerto Rico and shit like that, he wants to be Puerto Rican.
39:36 Speaker 00 Shit.
39:36 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
39:37 Speaker 00 They got white Puerto Ricans?
39:38 Mark Gagnon? No.
39:39 Speaker 02 No, you get a couple. Those are my favorite.
39:41 Speaker 00 You got white Puerto Ricans?
39:42 Speaker 02 They got redhead dudes that speak perfect Spanish.
39:44 Mark Gagnon? But they're not.
39:44 Speaker 02 Canelo speaking, yeah, literally.
39:45 Speaker 00 Mexican, but yes.
39:46 Speaker 02 Type shit.
39:47 Mark Gagnon? They're not, they're not.
39:47 Speaker 02 Makes me laugh.
39:48 Speaker 00 You don't consider them white? Because of their ethnicity, there's probably mixed heritage.
39:52 Mark Gagnon? Correct.
39:54 Speaker 00 That's fair. That's an interesting thing about Latinos where it's like, it's not the hue of the skin necessarily that makes you white or black to Americans. But with Latin culture, they might identify as white.
40:05 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, yeah.
40:05 Speaker 00 And they'd be right to if their families from fucking Germany or whatever fleeing like whatever they fled in the 1940s. To Argentina, probably nothing bad at all. No reason why you would move to Argentina in 1942.
40:16 Mark Gagnon? Yeah. Better weather. But a lot of cultures do that.
40:19 Speaker 00 It was the weather, dude. Who controls that?
40:23 Mark Gagnon? Okay, alright.
40:25 Mark Gagnon? I heard Asians call themselves white.
40:27 Speaker 00 Bro, who was telling us that? Uh, Chris Moreau? Hmm. Yeah, like, what was he saying? What was, what was he saying?
40:35 Mark Gagnon? I forgot in what context, but I learned that. But y'all not the only whites. I can see it. And actually, y'all the worst whites. They're better whites than y'all. They white?
40:45 Speaker 00 Wait, wait, wait. Explain that one to me. Better at what?
40:48 Mark Gagnon? Like, they're doing better in the economy.
40:50 Speaker 00 Yeah.
40:51 Mark Gagnon? They're more, like, they got more numbers than you.
40:56 Speaker 00 Yep.
40:57 Mark Gagnon? So they fucking more.
40:58 Speaker 00 Hold on, are there more?
41:01 Speaker 00 So the thing about whites, like, like, white, white?
41:06 Speaker 00 There's not really like a what, like, we've kind of just started including a lot of people in, in whiteness.
41:10 Mark Gagnon? Cause you're down bad, so you fucking recruit.
41:12 Speaker 00 I wonder if it's down bad. I wonder if it's just like a whole thing we just all made up in the first place. Right? I, I wonder if like they even talked about that. Like if people in Spain and people from Britain were like, hey, we're both white. Should we be together? I don't even know if that conversation was happening.
41:26 Mark Gagnon? Oh, now you're doing the races of social construct shit with this guy.
41:30 Speaker 00 No, no, no, no, no. Let me fucking, let me live out, dude, let me live out. No, no, like, I wonder if they didn't, like, this whole time, they're like, no, we're better because we're noble. And then Americans were like, oh, no, dude, you don't even have to be noble. You just gotta have like a skin color. Like, why are you trying so hard? Like, that's all we need?
41:46 Mark Gagnon? But they fought it for a while, because like the Irish and Italians, they wasn't.
41:50 Speaker 00 This is what I'm trying to say is like.
41:52 Mark Gagnon? And then you're like, yo, let's, you know. Now everybody's down.
41:56 Speaker 00 Now, now, so here's the question. And this brings us to the, uh, looking alike conversation. Black people get this a lot. Asians get this a lot. That they look more similar. And then I hear reflexively oftentimes, black people will be like, oh, all white people look alike.
42:16 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
42:18 Speaker 00 I think you could say like, versions of white people look alike. You could be like, all blonde white people look alike, all brown haired white people look alike. Hmm. But like, in terms of a race of people, white people are the most diverse race. We're the only race that has different eye color, different hair color, different hair texture, different skin texture, different facial features, different ethnicities.
42:42 Mark Gagnon? This is a stupid take.
42:42 Speaker 00 White people are the most diverse race of people. It's just a fact. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
42:51 Mark Gagnon? We had the same guy change his race in his lifetime, Michael Jackson. Until you have a Michael Jackson, right now you have racial dozal, and she's not coming in.
43:00 Speaker 00 You're making a good point, and I will give you credit for it. You guys have no range.
43:05 Mark Gagnon? You guys have a lot of range.
43:06 Speaker 00 You guys have range. That bit of Ligo shit is a fucking, it's an anomaly whites did not see coming.
43:13 Mark Gagnon? Albino, come on, we got purple, black, and albino.
43:16 Speaker 00 We got albino too though.
43:17 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, but it's just like a half a shade different.
43:20 Speaker 00 What, how lucky. How lucky.
43:23 Mark Gagnon? No, but if you're talking about diverse.
43:24 Speaker 00 How lucky.
43:25 Mark Gagnon? If you're talking about diversity, though.
43:26 Speaker 00 We're talking about like, a rare medical condition. What I'm talking about is without medical conditions, just purely, what I would say is African diaspora.
43:39 Speaker 00 Not even just the diaspora, but African in general. Like, you go from Sudanese to West African, East African. And if you're including like, the more like Arabic features that like the North Africans have.
43:51 Mark Gagnon? Yes.
43:51 Speaker 00 A lot of diversity there. Nobody would go like, oh, a Sudanese person looks just like a Moroccan person, I don't think. Right?
43:56 Mark Gagnon? And now for sake of this argument, I'm including South Africans.
43:59 Speaker 00 Gang. Gang. But now we're not talking about race anymore. It's too confusing.
44:06 Mark Gagnon? Elon's black. Elon's black.
44:08 Speaker 00 Elon's black?
44:11 Speaker 00 Hold on, now let me make this argument. Maybe, maybe you could say that black people have the most diversity. If you're including Ethiopian, Somali, what is that, the horn? Then you include like the Sudanese, you include Maghreb, like North Africa, then you include West Africa, Cameroon.
44:29 Speaker 02 You're describing Africa now.
44:30 Speaker 00 Well, hold on, hold on. But then, if you're including the Caribbean, now we have mixture of like native tribe, you also have mixture of black, and you have mixture of European, Spanish, Portuguese. Whoa, now we're talking about a lot of diversity over there. This is interesting.
44:49 Speaker 02 But your point is that it's crazy that there's an Italian guy from Sicily and an Irish guy, and we're like, yeah, they're both white.
44:55 Speaker 00 But I think you could probably make the same point for a Sudanese guy.
44:59 Speaker 02 And Blake Griffin.
44:59 Speaker 00 And Blake Griffin.
45:05 Speaker 00 Guys, I, I, listen, I, I hate to live out on you guys right now, but.
45:09 Speaker 02 It might just be a construct, dude.
45:12 Speaker 00 I hate to fucking live out on you right now. As we do this podcast a few hours before the end of the world.
45:18 Mark Gagnon? I know, right?
45:19 Speaker 00 But before the world is over, it is cool that we came to the conclusion that we're really all the same.
45:24 Mark Gagnon? We're all the same, we just solved it.
45:26 Speaker 02 We're all combined, we're all unified.
45:27 Speaker 00 We're all unified, yeah.
45:29 Mark Gagnon? Pass the football, press the button, bro.
45:32 Speaker 02 So.
45:35 Speaker 02 So are you guys mad at Druski?
45:36 Speaker 00 I'm too dumb to know.
45:40 Speaker 02 The nuclear football, I have no idea why they call it that.
45:41 Mark Gagnon? They just call the bag the nuclear football.
45:44 Speaker 00 No way.
45:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, from back in the day.
45:45 Speaker 00 Tell me, explain this, explain this. No, this is fun.
45:48 Speaker 02 They would say like, oh, the president currently has the nuclear football, like during like human missile crisis.
45:52 Speaker 00 Like a suitcase that carries around with the codes?
45:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, suitcase with the code and a key, and another guy had to have one.
45:57 Mark Gagnon? And this person follows him everywhere he goes.
46:00 Speaker 02 Well, I don't know why they call it that, though.
46:01 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I don't know why they call it that, but this person follows him wherever he goes. Wherever the president is, this person's not far behind.
46:06 Speaker 00 And even when he's just like giving conversations, or only when we're in like real time of that amount of.
46:13 Speaker 02 It's a nickname after an early classified nuclear war plan called dropkick because a football was required to do a dropkick. So the name for the briefcase holding the launch option stuck gaining popularity in the 60s.
46:24 Speaker 03 The official name is the presidential emergency satchel, so.
46:28 Speaker 00 And can you ask if it goes with the president everywhere he goes, even when we're not involved in a crazy conflict? I mean, it must. It must, right? Because like, God forbid, some other country sends a nuke over here, we gotta.
46:41 Speaker 02 Have someone do something.
46:42 Speaker 00 Yeah. Let me, let me ask you guys this question. You're the president of the United States. You hear that a nuclear bomb is being sent over, or like, tons of nuclear bombs are being sent over, and we don't have some sort of mechanism to stop it, right? Let's, let's assume we don't. We don't have Patriot missiles or whatever that can like shoot it out of the sky. I don't know what the technology is, but let's say they're all coming and it's assured death and destruction.
47:06 Mark Gagnon? I just saw like a decent movie about this. I just can't remember the name of the movie, but keep going, sorry.
47:10 Speaker 00 This exactly.
47:11 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
47:13 Speaker 00 And, okay, my question to you is, you could hit the button that does the same thing to them. Do you end humanity in that moment? Or is there a part of you that goes, I wish it didn't get here, but it's not gonna make it better if no, humans no longer exist?
47:37 Speaker 00 Like, yeah, you want to get your get back, and they all took you out, but the end is there's no more humans. Do you hit the button, or do you let humanity continue? And do you hope that eventually, human beings, you know, can elect leaders that, you know, will care more about our existence and the proliferation of humanity?
47:56 Mark Gagnon? This isn't the American hurrah answer, but I don't, I don't strike back. Japan, look at them now, like, they didn't hit us back, and now we're cool?
48:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, granted, they didn't have a nuke.
48:08 Speaker 00 They didn't have a nuke, but yes.
48:09 Mark Gagnon? But yeah, I'm sure. Do they have one now?
48:13 Mark Gagnon? They still?
48:13 Speaker 02 Japan's like the biggest proponent of denuclearization. Like, anytime anyone does a nuclear test, Japan like sends them a letter like, yo, chill, bro. So they're all over.
48:20 Mark Gagnon? As they should.
48:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:21 Mark Gagnon? But then they should have like, the most. I would tell everybody like, yeah.
48:28 Speaker 02 Yo, wait, wait, wait, hold up, hold up, wait for me, wait for me.
48:31 Speaker 00 But you know, so, okay, so you don't, and the reason is not that you don't want to defend your people, obviously. The reason is that this ends all people.
48:39 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
48:40 Speaker 00 So what is the advantage? Okay, Mark. It's a tough one, because it feels like you're being a bitch not defending your country.
48:46 Mark Gagnon? It does feel like that.
48:47 Speaker 00 But you end humanity if you also do it.
48:49 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
48:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, for the sake of humanity, you probably shouldn't.
48:53 Speaker 00 But like, I even hate that I'm putting this question on you guys, because it's like, it, it, yeah.
48:59 Speaker 02 For the sake of humanity, you probably shouldn't have a nuke at all. Like, no one should have a nuke.
49:02 Mark Gagnon? Agree.
49:03 Speaker 02 But this is the hypothetical. Yeah, I know, but I'm like, probably not. For the sake of humanity.
49:08 Speaker 00 And is this where like, you know, you're not a very religious guy, but like, is this where having some belief system is advantageous for being in positions of power? Where you?
49:18 Mark Gagnon? No.
49:19 Speaker 00 Wait, wait.
49:20 Mark Gagnon? I don't say no, because I don't, I don't think it makes a difference. Because you see people and like, Hexteth right now, using religion.
49:30 Speaker 00 Biblical, um, yeah.
49:34 Mark Gagnon? So it's like, I don't think.
49:35 Speaker 00 That's right, because you could also use that for whatever it is.
49:40 Speaker 00 Which is what humans have done throughout history.
49:42 Mark Gagnon? It's all about your own moral.
49:44 Speaker 00 Yeah.
49:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:45 Speaker 00 I guess, yeah, you're right, you're right.
49:46 Speaker 02 Also, if you're religiously predisposed to pacifism, like if you're like a Quaker or some shit.
49:50 Speaker 00 And then anybody can kind of do whatever they want to, and now you're putting your people at a disadvantage.
49:54 Speaker 02 That's the thing, right?
49:55 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is a tricky question, right? It's like, you want to defend your people, it's your job to defend your people, but at the same time, you're ending hu- I don't know if I could end humanity, dude.
50:06 Speaker 02 That should be whack, dude, that should be whack.
50:08 Speaker 00 I mean, maybe there's part of you that, yo, maybe some of us make it out.
50:11 Speaker 02 I mean, some probably would.
50:12 Speaker 00 Fallout, mods.
50:13 Speaker 02 Some probably would, you kind of live in a bunker type, type shit. Nuclear winter, you post up. Eat some protein bars.
50:19 Speaker 00 How quick are you coming out that bunker?
50:23 Mark Gagnon? What you mean?
50:24 Speaker 00 Like, let's say we made it to the bunker, nuclear holocaust.
50:30 Speaker 00 We talk to other people in the bunkers, and they're like, yo, you gotta stay down, it's radioactive waste up there, you can't go out there, you're gonna be marked immediately if you're out there.
50:38 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
50:38 Speaker 00 How long you really believe you could be, like?
50:42 Mark Gagnon? Oh, no, I start.
50:43 Speaker 00 I'm gonna hold my breath, but I'm gonna go out. Like, I'm gonna put my head up, right?
50:46 Mark Gagnon? I start eating humans before I go out.
50:51 Mark Gagnon? Or send a few motherfuckers out first.
50:53 Speaker 02 No, there's gonna be fires and shit everywhere. If you're not in the blast zone, then there might not be a ton of nuclear radiation, but there's gonna be fires, it can be nuclear winter, can't grow any crops and anything. So you might be like, walk around, but then it's chaos, there's no infrastructure, no government, so they're just bandits trying to steal all your shit.
51:07 Mark Gagnon? But isn't there a part of you that's like, I need to be outside, bro. I can't just look up through this fucking window. You need to go outside for 15 minutes.
51:14 Speaker 02 This is like New Yorkers. Like, New Yorkers are like, yeah, bro, we gotta be outside.
51:17 Mark Gagnon? That's white people shit.
51:19 Speaker 02 Nah, black people gonna be outside.
51:20 Mark Gagnon? No, we not.
51:21 Speaker 02 Black people gonna be outside.
51:22 Mark Gagnon? Y'all play with fucking wild animals and shit like that. Y'all like that type of shit. You, there's a nuclear bomb just went off? And you wanna go outside and hold your breath?
51:30 Speaker 02 If we're being honest.
51:31 Mark Gagnon? Cool.
51:32 Speaker 02 The majority of people playing with wild animals probably look more like you.
51:35 Mark Gagnon? No, they grew up with them.
51:37 Speaker 02 I'm just saying.
51:38 Mark Gagnon? If you grew up with them.
51:40 Speaker 02 In the world, in the world.
51:41 Mark Gagnon? Stop it.
51:42 Speaker 02 The majority of people probably look more like you.
51:45 Mark Gagnon? Nope. I don't think so.
51:47 Speaker 02 And y'all never left, cuz you're like, there's no wild animals over there.
51:51 Speaker 02 Do you know what I mean? Like, you're like, yo, what's Rome about? What? No wild animals? I'm not going over there.
51:56 Mark Gagnon? I don't think so.
51:57 Speaker 02 To be honest.
51:57 Mark Gagnon? I don't think we play with them.
51:58 Speaker 02 White people hated wild animals the most. That's why they went places where there's no wild animals.
52:03 Mark Gagnon? Hmm.
52:03 Speaker 02 And we domesticated the fuck out of those. We made them not wild. We unwilded them.
52:07 Mark Gagnon? No, because y'all pay the most.
52:09 Speaker 02 No.
52:11 Speaker 02 Actually.
52:13 Mark Gagnon? Y'all pay the most to go back to Africa to see these motherfucking wild animals in person.
52:18 Speaker 02 It's like camping. It's just camping. It's like, you don't do it forever.
52:22 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, but y'all are forcing the black people to be around the white animals just so you could see them from a little...
52:27 Speaker 02 We're not forcing anybody.
52:28 Mark Gagnon? Nah, you're forcing them.
52:30 Speaker 02 What should we do? Take them away from there? We tried that. That was, that was bad. That was bad, is what I'm saying. We gotta keep them there. We gotta keep them. Unless they wanna leave, in which case they can apply for immigration. But regardless, you gotta keep them there. It's their place.
52:43 Mark Gagnon? It's their place.
52:46 Speaker 02 It's technically their place. And we could take the animals. Why didn't we try that? Why didn't we just take the animals over?
52:52 Mark Gagnon? Dude, that would have been a...
52:54 Speaker 00 Way better idea.
52:55 Speaker 02 The rhinos? They're like, yo, give me the rhinos.
52:58 Mark Gagnon? Nah, I just like shooting them for fun.
53:00 Speaker 00 Nah, okay. There is a, uh.
53:02 Mark Gagnon? What is that?
53:03 Speaker 02 I don't know, the big game shit?
53:05 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, what is that?
53:06 Speaker 00 I looked this up.
53:06 Mark Gagnon? What's that?
53:07 Speaker 00 Well, uh, it was, you, it was, uh, like it played, it's no different than like, uh, the big game, I don't know. But it's probably like porn where like you kill enough deer, you're like, I need to kill some real shit. But like, I, I think it does play into like primal urges, right? Like, you know, camping or being out in the nature, hunting your own food. Like, you must get some sort of like, uh, dopamine response.
53:28 Speaker 02 No, hunting is fire. Hunting is cool. Fishing, getting a deer or some shit.
53:31 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, but like you just, but like you just said.
53:34 Speaker 02 That's running around a big old lion that's, oh, there, it's endangered.
53:37 Speaker 00 No, this is the porn thing. It's like you're desensitized to the, to the deer.
53:40 Speaker 02 So now you need a lady lion.
53:47 Speaker 02 A lady, oh, lady lion.
53:49 Mark Gagnon? But eventually you get tired of fucking deer, the boars and all that shit, you gonna wanna step it up.
53:53 Speaker 02 You want a lady boar?
53:54 Mark Gagnon? Yo.
53:54 Speaker 00 Hunting boar is wack.
53:55 Speaker 02 A lady boar.
53:56 Speaker 00 Lady boar.
53:57 Mark Gagnon? Keep your boy Rogan out of Africa, bro.
53:59 Speaker 00 Lady boar. Lady boar.
54:02 Mark Gagnon? Keep, keep Rogan out of Africa.
54:03 Speaker 00 Why? He doesn't, he's going to hunting?
54:05 Mark Gagnon? Nah, I'm just saying, that's gonna be his next step. Now he doesn't even use guns, he just fucking bows an arrow. Eventually he's gonna get bored with that shit.
54:11 Speaker 00 I respect the bow and arrow.
54:12 Speaker 02 That's way more impressive than a gun.
54:14 Speaker 00 That's way more impressive.
54:15 Mark Gagnon? It's more impressive, but once he gets bored with that, then what?
54:20 Speaker 02 Then you just go down, you can make the delta bigger here. Hunt an elk, hunt an elk with a Swiss army. Swiss army.
54:25 Mark Gagnon? Ooh, doubt.
54:26 Speaker 00 Fork.
54:27 Speaker 02 Corkscrew.
54:28 Mark Gagnon? Is it anybody who does that now?
54:29 Speaker 00 What's that?
54:30 Mark Gagnon? Is there any like, person online that hunts animals with like a knife and shit?
54:35 Speaker 02 The fork is, it's giving step.
54:36 Speaker 00 Fork is crazy, like, no, I, there gotta be.
54:40 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
54:41 Speaker 00 I mean, you see people do it with, uh.
54:44 Mark Gagnon? Like, that shit would be fire.
54:46 Speaker 00 You see people do it with, uh, fish. They'll like spear, you ever seen that? Like, they'll basically take like a spear and they'll throw, fish is kind of easy. But an animal that can kind of fight back? That's some ballsy shit.
54:56 Mark Gagnon? Why people do that?
54:58 Speaker 02 People bore hunt with knives. I've seen that.
55:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:01 Speaker 00 I don't, the boar thing doesn't impress me at all.
55:03 Mark Gagnon? No, they're scary.
55:05 Speaker 00 They're scary, but like, to me, it's just like, what are we doing this? They're built like, what?
55:11 Mark Gagnon? Nah.
55:11 Speaker 00 No, they're more sturdy, son.
55:12 Mark Gagnon? You didn't deserve that. You didn't deserve that.
55:14 Speaker 02 You said they're built like me?
55:15 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
55:15 Speaker 02 That's fire. They're strong as shit.
55:17 Mark Gagnon? Okay, yeah, let's go. Turn it into a compliment.
55:19 Speaker 02 Thank you. I appreciate it. You hunt a boar, so hold on. Rewind a little. Oh, oh, la, oh, la!
55:23 Speaker 00 Nah, this makes me sad.
55:24 Speaker 02 Damn, they just murdered him.
55:25 Mark Gagnon? No.
55:26 Speaker 02 They murdered him. Hold on, rewind a little bit though. It's kinda crazy that they catch him and they make him do a wheelbarrow. So you get the dog on him, the dog.
55:32 Mark Gagnon? And if the dog got him first, that don't count.
55:35 Speaker 02 Like, they do like a, a wife carry. You seen that competition?
55:39 Mark Gagnon? Damn, that's how you carry your wife, bro?
55:41 Speaker 02 You haven't seen the, the wife carry competition?
55:43 Speaker 00 I saw at the Riyadh Comedy Festival, they were doing that.
55:48 Mark Gagnon? You know, we shoot, we try. We try.
55:50 Speaker 02 Wait, why?
55:50 Speaker 03 Too political?
55:51 Speaker 02 Wait, why?
55:53 Speaker 00 I don't know, seems like something you do.
55:57 Speaker 02 No, I missed it.
55:58 Speaker 00 Yeah.
55:59 Speaker 02 This shit right here. That's how they're carrying that hog. You never seen these?
56:03 Mark Gagnon? Damn, the back of their necks just smell like fish.
56:06 Speaker 02 They do an obstacle course with their girl hanging over them shoulders.
56:10 Mark Gagnon? Oh, nah, he cheating. Why he's doing the...
56:13 Speaker 00 Well, it's actually harder.
56:14 Speaker 03 It's any way that you can get your wife across the line.
56:16 Speaker 02 This is the easier way. Oh! Blashing him with shit.
56:20 Speaker 00 Nah, this is crazy.
56:22 Mark Gagnon? Yo, you see? White people shit. Like, why? Not a black in sight.
56:27 Speaker 00 This right here, this right here, let me tell you something, that's white power.
56:34 Speaker 00 That is white power.
56:35 Mark Gagnon? Well, keep the power, cuz that shit is lame as fuck.
56:38 Speaker 00 I'm just, you, you're, once you guys get it, you're gonna start doing shit just like this.
56:42 Mark Gagnon? Nah.
56:43 Speaker 00 When you don't have to think about getting power, you can think of these crazy games. Like, what if I just held my wife upside down and we ran around? This is, it's pure boredom from just being in power for centuries, thousands of years.
56:55 Speaker 03 Yeah. Also, there's a fair amount, like, you could, you could fall on purpose if your wife's been annoyed. You could bounce her up and down, you know, you make her happy.
57:01 Mark Gagnon? Wow, that was dark.
57:03 Speaker 00 You're, you're an evil, evil guy.
57:05 Mark Gagnon? That was dark, bro.
57:07 Speaker 00 You're an evil guy.
57:08 Mark Gagnon? You went there and you ain't even got a girl yet. That's crazy. You're already digging up.
57:13 Speaker 00 You're an evil guy, Miles. The fact that you could even think that, your wife who trusts you.
57:18 Speaker 02 I don't have a wife, so.
57:19 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
57:19 Speaker 00 That's a good point.
57:20 Mark Gagnon? Go to Saudi Arabia with that shit.
57:22 Speaker 00 Damn, damn!
57:23 Speaker 02 So political.
57:24 Mark Gagnon? Oh shit, that's a...
57:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, this black guy. There's what? Al?
57:28 Mark Gagnon? That's an Obama.
57:31 Speaker 02 What do you mean?
57:33 Mark Gagnon? He's close to, yeah, y'all might.
57:35 Speaker 02 Yo, look, they got one. See, like, well.
57:39 Speaker 00 Also, Al just admitted that Obama is close to white. You all let that go.
57:44 Mark Gagnon? Oh, yeah, he is. I think he's closer to white than he is to black.
57:48 Speaker 02 And why do you think that? Why do you think that?
57:51 Mark Gagnon? I think he has more white in him.
57:54 Speaker 00 I mean, he was raised by his mother.
57:55 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, you know, he's raised white.
57:58 Speaker 02 In Hawaii?
58:00 Mark Gagnon? Haoli or whatever the fuck.
58:03 Speaker 02 You might be a Haoli, brother.
58:05 Mark Gagnon? Nah, let me not. I take that back. I still like, oh.
58:09 Speaker 02 Would you not like him if he was white?
58:13 Mark Gagnon? Y'all have y'all days, my time, bro.
58:15 Speaker 02 You have white fatigue?
58:16 Speaker 00 What is this, what is this, uh, white animosity that we're feeling?
58:20 Mark Gagnon? Nah, I love white people.
58:21 Speaker 00 While you wear a Harley Davidson shirt.
58:23 Speaker 02 It's Godspeed.
58:25 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, it's Godspeed.
58:27 Mark Gagnon? Nah, I love the whites. It's just, we having fun.
58:32 Mark Gagnon? We having fun. We can have fun.
58:34 Speaker 00 Yo, did you know that, um, not to make things like very political?
58:39 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
58:39 Speaker 00 But did you know that, uh, Kanye, I don't even think is gonna be allowed to go to the UK?
58:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think he got banned officially today. Yeah, he was supposed to headline Wireless for three nights.
58:49 Mark Gagnon? And now they canceled Wireless.
58:51 Speaker 02 Cancel the whole festival. Crazy.
58:53 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, cuz a lot of the sponsors were pulling out cuz Jay was gonna perform. And now Jay's pulling out, so now they lost their sponsors.
59:01 Speaker 00 Well, I don't think Jay pulled out. I think the country.
59:03 Speaker 02 Well, yeah. The sponsors pulled out.
59:04 Speaker 00 Right.
59:04 Speaker 02 And then the government blocked also.
59:06 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
59:07 Speaker 02 And, yeah, without the sponsors, they're still gonna do it. But the sponsor said the antisemitism, they couldn't cosign.
59:12 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
59:13 Speaker 02 One of the sponsors was PayPal.
59:16 Speaker 02 Which is, keep going. Keep going. That's a fact. That's just a data point.
59:20 Mark Gagnon? But just keep going.
59:20 Speaker 00 But why would you bring that sponsor up specifically?
59:23 Speaker 02 Cuz it's one of the sponsors that pulled out. What are you implying?
59:27 Speaker 00 I don't know. I'm just trying to ask what your, what your brain is.
59:30 Mark Gagnon? You're being kinda pussy right now.
59:31 Speaker 02 Well, I'm just saying, that's one of the sponsors, was PayPal. And PayPal said, we're not gonna condone this. What else is PayPal doing? Hey, why you stop being pussy, bro? I'm just, I'm, I don't know what you guys are wanting me to say right now. I'm just putting that out there.
59:44 Mark Gagnon? Why'd you point out PayPal, not any of the other sponsors?
59:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, Diageo? I never heard that one. What is Diageo? Is that a, it's a beverage leader?
59:55 Speaker 02 And PayPal? Pepsi, you didn't bring that one up? I didn't know Pepsi. I didn't know that these ones. I just heard about PayPal. So, I don't want to hear them.
1:00:03 Speaker 02 But yeah, the wireless is cancelled. But you saw the concert in, in SoFi, right? That shit look fire, ain't gonna lie. Should look fire. That shit look fire. I wouldn't have gone. But it looked fire. It looked fire. Being there must have been crazy. Right. Which you wouldn't have supported him? No, I wouldn't have gone.
1:00:22 Mark Gagnon? Can't, you can't, you can't support anti Semites.
1:00:24 Speaker 02 You can't. But if you were there, that shit would be crazy. Can't support a guy who sold a swastika shirt. That's, yeah, that's crazy. I don't even think Hitler sold them. And he said, he said- He was like handing them out, man. I don't think he was like profiting off of them.
1:00:38 Mark Gagnon? And he said slavery was a choice. Can't support a guy like that.
1:00:41 Speaker 02 Well, it wasn't a choice.
1:00:43 Mark Gagnon? Whoa.
1:00:43 Speaker 02 Well, white people chose it.
1:00:46 Speaker 02 White people's choice. Which is bad. I'm agreeing. We, we should-
1:00:49 Mark Gagnon? Maybe that's what he meant.
1:00:50 Speaker 02 We shouldn't have chosen that.
1:00:51 Mark Gagnon? All this time, we took him out of context.
1:00:53 Speaker 02 Banger joke. We shouldn't have chosen to do that. It's on us. He just needed to clarify. Yeah, it was a choice by some really bad people. Bad people. Some bad actors. Yeah.
1:01:02 Mark Gagnon? Yo, he could turn that around, right now. He might be able to turn that around.
1:01:06 Speaker 02 He could walk back that one. He could walk back that one.
1:01:08 Mark Gagnon? Yeah. Fantastic.
1:01:10 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah.
1:01:11 Mark Gagnon? Like, whoa. If you saw that in person, it's fucking fire.
1:01:15 Speaker 02 If you did, but you wouldn't, obviously, because, you know-
1:01:17 Mark Gagnon? No, but it was crazy because they were live streaming it in black and white. And I don't get it because like,
1:01:22 Speaker 02 You want the colors.
1:01:22 Mark Gagnon? I saw pictures of the color one.
1:01:24 Speaker 02 Yeah. You saw pictures?
1:01:26 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:01:26 Speaker 02 How good were the pictures?
1:01:27 Mark Gagnon? It was great. Well, PayPal didn't support it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They weren't one of the sponsors.
1:01:33 Speaker 02 Why weren't they one of the sponsors?
1:01:35 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:01:36 Speaker 02 Of this? Why should they sponsor for a private concert where you sell tickets? That makes no fucking sense, dumbasses.
1:01:46 Mark Gagnon? I mean, they sell tickets to, um, the, fuck.
1:01:51 Speaker 02 Damn it.
1:01:52 Mark Gagnon? What's the festival?
1:01:52 Speaker 02 If you gotta snap to get your brain to work-
1:01:54 Mark Gagnon? I know.
1:01:55 Speaker 02 It ain't coming, bro.
1:01:58 Speaker 02 Like it's a shitty TV.
1:02:00 Speaker 00 Come on, motherfucker.
1:02:01 Speaker 02 Come on, start, start.
1:02:03 Speaker 00 Fucking festival shit, UK, something.
1:02:07 Mark Gagnon? Damn, bro.
1:02:08 Speaker 00 Damn.
1:02:09 Mark Gagnon? That shit look good.
1:02:11 Speaker 00 That shit look good, though.
1:02:12 Speaker 02 Trying to get your godspeed to start, it's not starting.
1:02:14 Speaker 00 Come on. It did look good.
1:02:16 Mark Gagnon? That was.
1:02:16 Speaker 00 Did you guys watch the whole thing?
1:02:18 Speaker 02 I didn't, I just saw clips.
1:02:20 Speaker 00 I saw clips pop up without me even looking into it online. Like, I didn't, I didn't even click on the clips. They showed, they just came up in my feed.
1:02:26 Speaker 02 This was in LA. Which is crazy, that he sold out two SoFi stadiums. Eighty thousand people.
1:02:31 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:02:32 Mark Gagnon? I think this is the best stage, probably all time.
1:02:37 Speaker 00 Nah, Taylor Swift.
1:02:39 Mark Gagnon? Nah, come on.
1:02:40 Speaker 00 Taylor Swift was crazy.
1:02:41 Mark Gagnon? Bruh, like, look at this.
1:02:43 Speaker 00 At the end of the day, he's just on a ball. Right, like, at the end of the day. It's nice when you just see the clips of it, but you don't think two hours later, you're like, I get it, you're on a ball?
1:02:53 Mark Gagnon? Nah.
1:02:54 Speaker 02 But Taylor's on a square.
1:02:55 Mark Gagnon? Whole time fascinated.
1:02:56 Speaker 02 That's huge.
1:02:56 Speaker 00 Taylor is swimming.
1:02:58 Speaker 02 Everyone's on different shapes.
1:02:59 Speaker 00 She's swimming at one point in time.
1:03:00 Speaker 02 Okay, well, she jumps into the thing.
1:03:02 Speaker 00 She jumps into the water, you see her swimming, outfit change, mid-swim, pop out the other side. Look at this swim. Oh, she's swimming. And she's swimming, Kanye ain't got this.
1:03:14 Mark Gagnon? I didn't know this happened, this is actually kinda cool.
1:03:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, this is sick.
1:03:16 Mark Gagnon? This is kinda cool, I'll give it to him.
1:03:18 Speaker 02 And she's gonna pop out the other side.
1:03:20 Speaker 00 Different outfit.
1:03:20 Speaker 02 That's fire.
1:03:21 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, that's kinda dope.
1:03:23 Speaker 00 And that's just one little piece.
1:03:25 Speaker 02 And you see why Kanye tried to suppress her success.
1:03:27 Speaker 00 Of course he did, he knew.
1:03:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:30 Speaker 00 He knew.
1:03:30 Speaker 02 Shit.
1:03:31 Speaker 00 He saw an unstoppable force.
1:03:32 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:03:33 Mark Gagnon? And then he's kinda biting Taylor, cuz I think they use the same technology.
1:03:36 Speaker 00 Hey, hey, Al, speak on it.
1:03:39 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I don't support antisemites.
1:03:41 Speaker 00 Neither do I.
1:03:43 Speaker 02 No.
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1:06:55 Speaker 00 Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidone finasteride. Now, before we get back to the show, I do need to tell, while we're talking about Hims and being him, my Kelsey streak has continued. I just want to let you know, I am so far undefeated on Kelsey. I try to, you know, share my picks with the people.
1:07:15 Speaker 02 But what's the, what's the streak?
1:07:17 Speaker 00 I have not lost yet trading on Kelsey. I just picked Michigan. I won again.
1:07:22 Speaker 02 Wait, so what are your, what are your picks so far? You did Michigan, what else?
1:07:25 Speaker 00 Bad Bunny.
1:07:27 Speaker 02 You voted on Bad Bunny?
1:07:28 Speaker 00 No, I picked the first song on the fucking Super Bowl halftime show. It's pretty darn good.
1:07:32 Speaker 02 Which song was it?
1:07:33 Speaker 00 Titi me preguntó.
1:07:35 Speaker 02 Boy.
1:07:36 Speaker 00 Titi me preguntó.
1:07:38 Speaker 02 Boy. And then what was, what other one?
1:07:41 Speaker 00 I don't know, I forgot it already, but.
1:07:43 Speaker 02 Two for two, two for two is pretty good.
1:07:44 Speaker 00 I'm three for three. What was the other ones? What was it? Oscars. Oh, the Oscars, obviously. Pick Michael B. Jordan.
1:07:49 Speaker 02 Damn.
1:07:50 Mark Gagnon? Wow.
1:07:51 Speaker 00 My point is.
1:07:52 Mark Gagnon? Race trader.
1:07:53 Speaker 00 I did. I care about greatness, Alan. There's one thing about me, I care about greatness.
1:07:59 Mark Gagnon? Appreciate it.
1:07:59 Speaker 00 So, um, but no, I'm just telling you, and a lot of people have asked me like, how do I know? You just pick the winner. It's not that difficult. Like there's multiple choices. You pick the winning one and then you win.
1:08:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:08:12 Speaker 00 I don't know why that's difficult for some people. Like there are people that lose for some reason.
1:08:16 Speaker 02 Well, I guess, I don't like with this, for example, I don't know who's gonna win, like UConn or Michigan.
1:08:20 Speaker 00 Well, it's already happened. So you do know who won.
1:08:24 Mark Gagnon? Are you?
1:08:25 Speaker 00 Yes, he is.
1:08:26 Speaker 02 Well, I didn't know before, is what I'm saying. I didn't know before.
1:08:28 Speaker 00 Yes, he is.
1:08:29 Speaker 02 How do you know who's gonna win before it happens? You're making it seem very simple. I mean, I guess you could like check the line and be like, oh, most people think Michigan's gonna win.
1:08:35 Speaker 00 No.
1:08:36 Mark Gagnon? Mark, you just picked the winner.
1:08:37 Speaker 00 You picked the winner of it.
1:08:38 Mark Gagnon? Like.
1:08:39 Speaker 00 There's one, listen how things work. There's a winner and a loser.
1:08:42 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:08:42 Speaker 00 Right?
1:08:43 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:08:43 Speaker 00 You pick the winner.
1:08:44 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:08:45 Speaker 00 And then you win.
1:08:46 Mark Gagnon? Simple.
1:08:47 Speaker 00 So what I do is I pick the winner. I can't believe it's even a real thing. I don't even, I can't believe it even exists. So what I do is that I'll look at the trades and I'll be like, oh, that's the winner. And then I pick that one. And so far, I haven't lost because I'm just picking the winning trade.
1:09:04 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:09:05 Mark Gagnon? You get it now.
1:09:05 Speaker 02 I think I'm getting it.
1:09:06 Speaker 00 Do you understand it?
1:09:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, for example, this one, Michigan has a hundred percent chance to win.
1:09:11 Speaker 00 Well, yeah. Yeah, they won already. But I picked Michigan even before they won because that was the winner.
1:09:18 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
1:09:19 Speaker 00 Same reason why I picked the Timo Boom Bo.
1:09:23 Speaker 00 I picked that one because I was like, oh, that's the winning. So that's the first song. That's the one that's gonna win. So I just picked the winners and then I tell people.
1:09:29 Speaker 02 That's the only time that I bet on is when he was fighting Pereira in the one with the, uh.
1:09:34 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:09:34 Speaker 02 With the bow and arrow.
1:09:35 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:09:35 Speaker 02 And this is the first time I've ever made a prediction.
1:09:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:09:37 Speaker 02 That I said he was going to win by knockout. And.
1:09:43 Speaker 00 Uh-oh.
1:09:44 Speaker 02 And win by decision.
1:09:48 Mark Gagnon? Oh, so you just hedged it back?
1:09:50 Speaker 02 So you had, you made two different trades, you're saying? I don't know exactly what I did.
1:09:54 Mark Gagnon? One and it canceled out. And so he just broke even.
1:09:57 Speaker 02 Exactly. I gave them money. I gave them like, I think, ten bucks or something like that.
1:10:02 Speaker 00 So, so.
1:10:03 Speaker 02 I won the, the knockout one.
1:10:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
1:10:05 Speaker 02 But then I lost on the decision one and then I gave them money.
1:10:09 Mark Gagnon? So you see what you did wrong there?
1:10:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I picked the winner, but I also picked the wrong thing about it.
1:10:14 Speaker 00 You've gotta only pick the winner.
1:10:16 Speaker 02 Right, yeah.
1:10:17 Speaker 00 Yeah, if you just picked the winner, then you'll win.
1:10:19 Speaker 02 But I picked the winner twice. That, that, I guess if you go twice and it doesn't count.
1:10:23 Speaker 00 No, you didn't pick the winner because he didn't win by decision. He won by knockout.
1:10:26 Mark Gagnon? So you picked the lose.
1:10:27 Speaker 00 Yeah, you, you also picked the loser.
1:10:30 Speaker 02 Some shit.
1:10:31 Speaker 00 Don't do that.
1:10:32 Speaker 02 So only pick one? Or never pick the winner?
1:10:34 Mark Gagnon? Why is that difficult? You're usually smart.
1:10:36 Speaker 00 This is why, this is why this exists because there's people like Mark out there that will pick the losing one.
1:10:41 Mark Gagnon? Hmm.
1:10:42 Speaker 00 Like, there are people I'm sure that picked UConn. That was the losing one.
1:10:45 Mark Gagnon? Guys, at home, please, pick the winner.
1:10:47 Speaker 00 Just pick the winner one. This is very simple.
1:10:48 Speaker 02 And only the winner.
1:10:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:10:50 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:10:50 Speaker 00 I mean, listen, you can bring up anything and I'll tell you what the winner will be because I'll just go, oh, that's the winner. And then I'll pick.
1:10:55 Speaker 03 Iran.
1:11:00 Speaker 03 I don't do politics, guys.
1:11:02 Mark Gagnon? No politics.
1:11:05 Speaker 02 All right, what about Tesla deliveries in Q1 of 2026?
1:11:08 Speaker 03 What is it? What are the options?
1:11:10 Speaker 02 Well, obviously, it's 34,000. Wait, is that 340,000?
1:11:16 Speaker 03 340 million?
1:11:16 Speaker 02 340,000. 340,000 or 35.
1:11:20 Speaker 03 How many cars you think they're gonna deliver?
1:11:22 Speaker 02 350,000. I can't read numbers.
1:11:26 Speaker 03 I need to research this a little bit more. I don't want to mess up my streak on this right now, but if I research it a little bit more, I'll just tell you which one is the winner. Is Bitcoin gonna hit on? When will Bitcoin cross 100K again? In the future. Good winner.
1:11:38 Speaker 02 Is there a market for in the future?
1:11:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, if there's, that's the winner. If in the future, it probably.
1:11:43 Speaker 02 Predict that? Is that an option?
1:11:46 Mark Gagnon? Before October.
1:11:48 Speaker 03 This October?
1:11:49 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:11:53 Speaker 03 What is it at right now?
1:11:54 Speaker 02 21%.
1:11:55 Speaker 03 No, no, what, what, how much is Bitcoin right now?
1:11:57 Mark Gagnon? I think it's like 68, something like 69.
1:12:02 Speaker 03 Nah.
1:12:03 Mark Gagnon? Nope. All right, guys, that's the winner.
1:12:05 Speaker 03 That's the winner. We get to check back in October. That'll be funny. Yeah, we'll check back.
1:12:09 Mark Gagnon? Sheldon said it.
1:12:10 Speaker 03 Anyway, can we get back to the show, please?
1:12:12 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
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1:12:42 Speaker 03 There's a story on the internet that has consumed, uh, Americans, maybe even Canadians.
1:12:48 Mark Gagnon? Wait a minute, where are you going with this?
1:12:51 Speaker 00 I'm just saying.
1:12:51 Mark Gagnon? Uh oh.
1:12:52 Speaker 00 It is, it is a pretty big story. I know nothing about it. Al kind of knows a little bit about it.
1:13:00 Mark Gagnon? I know nothing about it.
1:13:01 Speaker 00 You know nothing about it.
1:13:02 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:13:02 Speaker 00 Luckily, we have an expert at the office.
1:13:05 Mark Gagnon? Oh, okay.
1:13:07 Speaker 00 That can break this story down.
1:13:08 Mark Gagnon? Oh, yes.
1:13:10 Speaker 00 The story revolves around a reality show called Summer House.
1:13:14 Mark Gagnon? Best show on television right now?
1:13:16 Speaker 00 Al claims is the best show on television, is a reality show that takes place in the Hamptons. And I think some like, people in their, I don't know, twenties, thirties. They, they go there and they live the summer in the Hamptons and then.
1:13:28 Mark Gagnon? Yep.
1:13:29 Speaker 00 Shenanigans ensue.
1:13:30 Mark Gagnon? I've never seen an episode, but our good friend Alex.
1:13:34 Speaker 00 There's some real drama about it. And then our good friend White Alex is going to come on to the pod. And she is going to break down this unbelievable saga. Give it up for White Alex, everybody. Alex in the bill. Let's go Michigan.
1:13:48 Speaker 05 Go Blue, my mic is not on.
1:13:50 Mark Gagnon? You gotta turn that on.
1:13:50 Speaker 00 Oh, we gotta get your mic on.
1:13:52 Speaker 05 I don't know how to do.
1:13:53 Mark Gagnon? Oh, okay.
1:13:56 Speaker 00 And she's with us. Art, do you have her?
1:13:59 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:14:00 Speaker 00 She's back. We got White Alex.
1:14:01 Mark Gagnon? Alex in the bill. White Alex.
1:14:04 Speaker 00 Brr, brr, brr.
1:14:04 Speaker 05 Guys, you could not have set this up worse.
1:14:07 Speaker 00 Why?
1:14:08 Speaker 05 Hour and a half of race talk? What am I coming into?
1:14:12 Speaker 00 Why, why is there, is there like a racial dynamic in this drama?
1:14:16 Speaker 05 Yes, actually there is.
1:14:18 Speaker 00 No way.
1:14:18 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:14:19 Speaker 00 So we're perfectly situated to talk about it.
1:14:20 Speaker 05 Also, go Blue, go Blue, go Blue, say it back.
1:14:23 Speaker 00 Go Blue, we said it. Go Blue.
1:14:25 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:14:25 Speaker 00 Go Blue. Michigan wins.
1:14:26 Mark Gagnon? Wait, we talking about Blue Square or what Blue are we talking about?
1:14:29 Speaker 02 She says the same thing, actually.
1:14:30 Speaker 05 Michigan.
1:14:30 Speaker 02 She said Michigan and Blue Square is actually the same.
1:14:32 Mark Gagnon? Oh, okay.
1:14:32 Speaker 02 Actually, kind of true.
1:14:34 Speaker 00 That is true. All the, all the Jews from New York that don't get into Ivy League schools end up going to Michigan.
1:14:39 Speaker 05 That's true.
1:14:40 Speaker 02 Phil's pointed, but.
1:14:41 Speaker 05 I'm in both diasporas.
1:14:42 Speaker 00 Are you gonna sit down or are you gonna stand up for this?
1:14:44 Speaker 05 What do you want?
1:14:44 Speaker 00 I want you to sit down.
1:14:46 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:14:46 Speaker 00 So that you wear, you're framed up in the camera, but then I also would like you to reference this whenever you want.
1:14:50 Speaker 05 Okay, and I also have these for you guys.
1:14:52 Speaker 00 So you can utilize them.
1:14:53 Speaker 05 You can really understand.
1:14:54 Speaker 02 Someone said this is the Epstein files for women.
1:14:56 Speaker 05 It really is, because it keeps going, like.
1:14:59 Speaker 00 Can you give us a quick backdrop of what this show?
1:15:01 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:15:02 Mark Gagnon? Teach these idiots. You called into AM mornings. I'm so I got I have too much knowledge. I have to, you know, step out of this.
1:15:08 Speaker 05 We had a warm up.
1:15:09 Mark Gagnon? Teach these idiots, you know?
1:15:10 Speaker 05 Okay, I have my pointer. Basically, you don't know anything about the show at all.
1:15:13 Speaker 00 I I if I'm being honest with you, and I think I told you this yesterday. I thought Summer House was the show that Barstool did with the Chicken Leg Girl.
1:15:22 Speaker 05 No.
1:15:23 Speaker 00 And then the other people.
1:15:24 Speaker 05 No, that's.
1:15:25 Mark Gagnon? There's a girl with a chicken leg that works at Bar.
1:15:27 Speaker 00 No, she's like a Barstool chicken.
1:15:29 Speaker 05 She will come up in this story as well.
1:15:31 Mark Gagnon? She's.
1:15:33 Speaker 05 No, no, she's just involved in the drama with Portnoy, but that's like chapter 15. We gotta start at number one.
1:15:38 Speaker 00 Start us in the beginning. What is the show?
1:15:39 Speaker 05 Summer House is a Bravo show.
1:15:41 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:15:41 Speaker 05 You're familiar with Bravo.
1:15:42 Speaker 00 Of course.
1:15:42 Speaker 05 You have one.
1:15:43 Mark Gagnon? The goat.
1:15:44 Speaker 05 Andy Cohen.
1:15:44 Speaker 00 Every housewife show.
1:15:45 Mark Gagnon? Traitors.
1:15:46 Speaker 05 Yes, traitors. Ciara was actually on Traitors.
1:15:49 Mark Gagnon? Used to be the Kardashians.
1:15:51 Speaker 05 No, Kardashians was E.
1:15:53 Mark Gagnon? All right.
1:15:54 Speaker 00 But he was involved in E, wasn't he? Andy Cohen?
1:15:57 Speaker 05 Maybe like early, early, but Bravo NBC has been like.
1:16:00 Speaker 00 It's own thing. Okay.
1:16:01 Speaker 05 It's own thing. Now on Peacock.
1:16:02 Speaker 00 Now on Peacock.
1:16:03 Speaker 05 Just a walking advertisement.
1:16:04 Speaker 00 Promoting.
1:16:05 Speaker 05 Okay, so it's a show where these people live in New York, technically have jobs like Monday through Thursday, but now it's kind of become like more influencers. Like it's not true, like working people, I would say. They have a shore house in Hampton's. They drive out there on Fridays. They party all weekend. They drive back on Sunday. They have like planned parties. They go out to the bars out there. You guys know about the bars.
1:16:26 Mark Gagnon? Yes.
1:16:27 Speaker 05 Out there.
1:16:27 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:16:27 Speaker 05 I know less about that. Basically, they just go and they started 10 years ago. It's kind of closest to like Real World or whatever Theo was on, whatever.
1:16:36 Speaker 00 Road Rules. But Real World, Real World would probably be this because this is the house.
1:16:41 Speaker 05 Before my time.
1:16:42 Mark Gagnon? Yes.
1:16:42 Speaker 05 I'm a child. This is my Real World.
1:16:45 Speaker 00 Yes, okay.
1:16:46 Speaker 05 Okay, so Kyle.
1:16:48 Speaker 00 Can I ask one question? These are not married couples and they're not even couples in many cases.
1:16:53 Mark Gagnon? No, they're married. Come on.
1:16:54 Speaker 00 But the show and its ethos where.
1:16:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, it's just a friend group.
1:16:57 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:16:58 Speaker 05 It's just a friend group. It started with this couple, Kyle, no, Kyle and Amanda, Carl and Lindsay.
1:17:03 Mark Gagnon? Carl.
1:17:04 Speaker 05 Carl and Lindsay had a big breakup of their engagement like three years ago.
1:17:07 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:17:07 Speaker 05 But now they're friends.
1:17:08 Speaker 00 Got it.
1:17:09 Mark Gagnon? But is there a point to the show? Do you win?
1:17:10 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:17:11 Speaker 05 No, no, no, there's no game. There's no like love goal. Like you're not like going to find.
1:17:17 Mark Gagnon? People living.
1:17:17 Speaker 05 A person. Just people living.
1:17:18 Mark Gagnon? Drama.
1:17:19 Speaker 05 Drama, fighting, like they throw fun parties where they dress up.
1:17:22 Mark Gagnon? Hookups.
1:17:23 Speaker 00 Maybe there's some.
1:17:23 Speaker 05 Hookups, that's the bread and butter is the hookups is the like, single people in the city, thirty year old media.
1:17:30 Speaker 00 How popular is this show compared to like Real Housewives of, uh, Orange County or Salt Lake City or Beverly?
1:17:36 Speaker 05 Salt Lake is very powerful. The last couple of years, I'd say Salt Lake's like the king.
1:17:40 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:17:41 Speaker 05 But Summer House is unique and my favorite because it's the only one where you have girls, girl behavior. Like Housewives, it's mostly just like ladies screwing each other over. This is like thirty year olds, like being real people, kind of.
1:17:53 Speaker 00 Oh, so they're not leaning into the archetypes as much?
1:17:56 Speaker 05 No, Housewives is usually like pretty like throwing wine at each other.
1:18:01 Speaker 00 Yeah, we're here to cause drama.
1:18:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:18:03 Speaker 00 And we're getting emotionally unstable people that don't really do a lot of self-reflection.
1:18:07 Speaker 05 These are like therapies for some things who are influencers. Like, that's interesting to me.
1:18:11 Speaker 00 Cause they're also looking at their career in terms of like, I don't want to be known as a crash out. I want to be.
1:18:16 Speaker 05 Exactly. You might remember Paige De Sorbo and Hannah Burner came from.
1:18:19 Speaker 00 We know Hannah as a comedian and then Paige is her podcast co-host.
1:18:22 Speaker 05 Yes, Giggly Squad.
1:18:24 Speaker 00 They were on the show?
1:18:24 Speaker 05 They were on the show. They start Giggly Squad together. That's how they got their followings and Giggly Squad Bravo is like, you can't talk about Bravo, like just make another podcast. Meanwhile, best decision for them ever in the world.
1:18:35 Speaker 00 Cause now they're not.
1:18:35 Speaker 05 Cause now they tore Giggly Squad and Paige is laughing all the way to the bank.
1:18:39 Speaker 00 I did not know about them in terms of that show. I only knew about them as comedians in this podcast.
1:18:44 Speaker 05 Yeah, and they're also funny and charming and amazing. Like Paige is so cool. Hannah's so cool. So they come from Summer House.
1:18:51 Speaker 00 So it's a launching pad for.
1:18:53 Speaker 05 It's a launching pad.
1:18:54 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:18:55 Speaker 05 We're gonna talk about you getting me on Summer House after this.
1:18:57 Speaker 00 Okay, got you. Okay, we got this. We got this. Okay.
1:19:00 Speaker 05 All right.
1:19:00 Speaker 00 What's the drama?
1:19:01 Speaker 05 The drama, okay. Kyle is an OG. He's been there for ten years.
1:19:05 Speaker 00 Damn.
1:19:05 Speaker 05 She, Amanda, comes on season one as like a girl that's sleeping with Kyle. By season two, she joins the show as a cast member as Kyle's girlfriend. They've been together since then. They get married in twenty twenty one. So this, I actually have some markers. This is.
1:19:21 Speaker 00 Love it.
1:19:23 Speaker 05 A married couple.
1:19:24 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:19:26 Speaker 05 Got it. Okay. Okay. So their marriage, like, they shouldn't have got married. Like, he was cheating before they get engaged. He stays out really late. She likes to stay in and smoke weed. That's like her vibe. Also Paige, they were like the bedbugs. They don't like to go out. But Kyle is like staying out with fans. Like, comes home at 6:30 a.m. Like, that's kind of his vibe.
1:19:50 Speaker 02 He's a DJ.
1:19:51 Speaker 05 That's.
1:19:52 Speaker 02 Oh, he's a DJ? Yeah.
1:19:53 Speaker 05 He wasn't always. He's just become a DJ in the last couple of months because he's in like strife financially with his failing alcohol seltzer company.
1:20:01 Speaker 02 What's the seltzer company?
1:20:02 Speaker 05 It's called Loverboy. He's actually using this all to like promote it, honestly. Um, so, okay. They were married. What we're seeing on this season that they filmed in summer 2025. So like, we know things have happened since then, but we're still watching like what's going on. And now we're like early August. Their marriage falling apart. He's getting so drunk. He's yelling at her. He's saying fuck you at parties. He's being like, why are you skinny dipping with everyone? Meanwhile, they've all been.
1:20:30 Speaker 02 She's skinny dipping with other guys?
1:20:32 Speaker 05 They've all been in this friend group forever and they do skinny dip at the end of every season.
1:20:36 Speaker 02 Kind of crazy.
1:20:37 Speaker 05 Fourth of July this year, she just jumped in the pool in her bra and underwear and he's like tweaking about it.
1:20:42 Speaker 02 With other guys?
1:20:43 Speaker 05 Yes, but everyone's clothed. She's just in a bra and underwear. It's not even skinny dipping.
1:20:47 Speaker 02 Is the bra ski through?
1:20:49 Speaker 05 It's not the most conservative. With all due respect, he looks embarrassing, like policing what she can do. Meanwhile, he's just really tight that they are like bitter and hate each other. And it's like, you know, when your girlfriend like hates you and you know, it's like time to.
1:21:05 Speaker 02 We're married, we don't know anything about this. Yeah, there's no hate at all coming towards. The couple that met on the reality show is not, doesn't have a stable marriage.
1:21:13 Speaker 05 Well, they kind of met outside of the reality show. But yes, she's very insecure. You can tell she's never really been with anyone else. And her friend Sierra is hyping her up to leave Kyle.
1:21:25 Speaker 00 This is Sierra.
1:21:27 Speaker 05 Sierra.
1:21:27 Speaker 00 Got it.
1:21:27 Speaker 05 So let's go back to Sierra and Wes and how we meet them.
1:21:30 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:21:30 Speaker 05 Sierra joins the show in like 2020 and just since then has been girl's girl. Like she enters the show, she's hooking up with this guy. She gets to the house, Hannah Berner's like freaking out. She used to hook up with this guy. She doesn't like that he's bringing a new girl, Sierra. Meanwhile, honestly, Hannah was like kinda in the wrong. Like Hannah was being crazy. It was totally fine, but Sierra is just like, I'm gonna ride for my girls. If a girl is uncomfortable, I'll find another guy. That's sort of her ethos in the house. She's also, I don't know if you can tell, fucking stunning.
1:22:01 Speaker 00 Smoke show. Yeah, I liked her on Traitors. Very, very beautiful.
1:22:03 Speaker 05 She's funny on Traitors.
1:22:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, she was very good.
1:22:05 Speaker 05 I'll kill all you traitors.
1:22:06 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:22:07 Speaker 05 She said that. Anyway, Sierra is a girl's girl. And this summer, she's hyping up Amanda to leave Kyle. And she also fucking hates Kyle. They're like best friends.
1:22:19 Speaker 00 They've known each other for how long?
1:22:21 Speaker 05 Six years?
1:22:22 Speaker 00 Yeah, six years. Best friends, six years. Yeah.
1:22:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, a long time.
1:22:25 Speaker 00 On camera telling another, she's on camera interfering with another person's marriage.
1:22:29 Speaker 05 Not necessarily interfering. It's like.
1:22:31 Speaker 00 Interfering.
1:22:32 Speaker 05 You're in a friend group and one of your boys is like getting drunk and yelling at his wife in front of everyone.
1:22:38 Speaker 00 Yeah, not good.
1:22:40 Speaker 05 It's not great.
1:22:41 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:22:42 Speaker 05 And Sierra's kinda like, you don't need to be with him. Have you ever tried being single? It's awesome. Like, that's kinda where she's at. She's recommending separation right now where we are in the season.
1:22:49 Speaker 00 Any recommendation? Any recommendation of therapy or anything like that to work through their troubles? Yeah. Didn't they take a vow before God? They do take a vow before God to death to us part.
1:22:58 Speaker 05 It feels like we're past that.
1:23:00 Speaker 00 Because, because single friends oftentimes they're bitter of your, you know, loving relationships you're in.
1:23:05 Speaker 05 This is not a loving relationship. Also, Amanda's like talking, like in her confessionals right now, being like, fuck, I didn't sign a prenup. Like, that's where we're at with it. Cause he's talking about his like financial troubles. He's like 500 grand in deep.
1:23:18 Speaker 00 Oh, so she's gonna take that debt on?
1:23:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's kinda like, why am I with this loser?
1:23:22 Speaker 00 We didn't, we didn't, you don't think about that.
1:23:25 Speaker 05 That's something to think about.
1:23:28 Speaker 02 Wait, so, hold on. This is a very important point.
1:23:31 Speaker 05 He gets a personal business loan without asking her to float like three more months of payroll of his dumb alcoholic seltzer company. Lover boy. People want to buy that.
1:23:39 Speaker 02 So if your, if your girlfriend or your wife has like medical debt from like nursing school.
1:23:44 Speaker 05 Uh huh. Sounds like your problem.
1:23:46 Speaker 02 No, that's not, that's not me.
1:23:47 Speaker 00 Well, were you guys married prior to her going to nursing school?
1:23:51 Mark Gagnon? Yes.
1:23:52 Speaker 00 No.
1:23:52 Mark Gagnon? Yes, you were.
1:23:53 Speaker 02 Uh, no, mid-whiffery school. We were married after, but nursing school.
1:23:57 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:23:57 Speaker 05 They have school for that?
1:23:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:23:58 Speaker 05 That's sick.
1:24:00 Speaker 02 What'd you think of what?
1:24:00 Mark Gagnon? All work school.
1:24:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, you get a bird. Uh, it's all right. So that's, okay, this is.
1:24:07 Speaker 05 Something for you to consider.
1:24:08 Speaker 02 Let me text someone.
1:24:08 Speaker 00 Yeah, just send a little text out there. Yeah.
1:24:10 Speaker 02 But anyway.
1:24:11 Speaker 05 Prenups are good. All this is saying like we're past that.
1:24:13 Speaker 00 She's interfering with their marriage.
1:24:14 Speaker 05 She's not interfering. She's being, she's just being a friend. She's being a good bestie friend. Meanwhile, let's go back to Sierra. She joins the show and she's like, I'm smart, beautiful, amazing. Yes, I'm single. I like to date, but I'm also like dating intentionally. I want a man to kind of like be a man. She's like, I, I want a better marriage than my parents had. I don't have a good relationship with my father.
1:24:36 Speaker 00 Sounds like a great self-actualized human being.
1:24:38 Speaker 05 Absolutely.
1:24:39 Speaker 02 I can root for her.
1:24:40 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:24:40 Speaker 05 Absolutely.
1:24:41 Speaker 00 She gets a lot of shit because she only hooks up with white guys.
1:24:44 Speaker 05 Not exactly. That'll come back later.
1:24:47 Speaker 00 I think that Al's probably more sensitive to the criticism like that.
1:24:50 Speaker 05 Of course.
1:24:51 Speaker 00 A little bit more glaring for him.
1:24:52 Speaker 05 I tried to bring that up on I have mornings and it was quite difficult.
1:24:54 Speaker 00 Really?
1:24:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:24:55 Speaker 02 Have you gotten shit in the past for only hooking up with white one?
1:24:58 Speaker 00 I don't know. Have I?
1:25:00 Speaker 02 I, I would never.
1:25:01 Speaker 00 No, no, have I?
1:25:02 Speaker 02 I would never give you shit. I think love is love.
1:25:04 Speaker 00 Oh, okay.
1:25:05 Speaker 02 I don't believe her in that. Yeah. But I'm glad that you finally acknowledged that your wife is white.
1:25:09 Speaker 00 No, she's not. That's a thing.
1:25:10 Speaker 02 Taken us 10 years to get there, but uh, I'm really glad that you've done that. This is growth.
1:25:14 Speaker 00 Misracing.
1:25:18 Speaker 02 Snap it out, snap it out.
1:25:21 Speaker 00 Okay, she's Latin.
1:25:22 Speaker 02 So Sierra.
1:25:23 Speaker 05 So Sierra, she comes into the house with the intention.
1:25:25 Speaker 00 One question. So is Sierra getting criticized for only hooking up with white guys while she lives in the Hamptons?
1:25:32 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:25:33 Speaker 00 Got it.
1:25:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:25:34 Speaker 05 It's not the only hooking up with white guys. It's the like getting played by white guys. But that'll, that'll come later. Basically, West is like, I'll be, he shows up a couple of seasons later.
1:25:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:25:44 Speaker 00 His name is Wes or West?
1:25:46 Speaker 05 Wes.
1:25:46 Speaker 00 Wes.
1:25:47 Speaker 02 With a T?
1:25:47 Speaker 05 Short for, I think, Westling, which sounds like you're saying Westling, like wrestling.
1:25:52 Speaker 00 Is there a T?
1:25:54 Speaker 05 West. Kanye West.
1:25:56 Speaker 02 The direction.
1:25:57 Speaker 05 Yes, the direction. The direction and the antisemitic performer.
1:26:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
1:26:02 Speaker 05 So, he joins the show and he's obviously like, this is the bombshell of the villa. I'm gonna get close to her. They're like friends, friends, friends. He wears her down.
1:26:10 Speaker 00 What does that mean, wears her down? That feels loaded.
1:26:13 Speaker 02 Well, you know, when he tries to, you know, the gay baiting type of situation?
1:26:16 Speaker 00 Did he LARP his gay to get into her good graces?
1:26:19 Speaker 05 He's just kind of gay. Like, that's kind of his vibe. Like, he is like a swagged out white boy who writes for Complex. You know what I mean? He's like, kind of like fruity with it, I think. I think that's how he's kind of pulling all this off.
1:26:32 Speaker 00 Interesting.
1:26:33 Speaker 02 That works.
1:26:34 Speaker 00 I feel like that's the new thing that the, I've been asking the gays about this.
1:26:38 Speaker 02 What did, what did the gays say?
1:26:40 Speaker 00 I'm just like, yo, you guys, you guys, you guys fucking fought for this, dude. You guys lost lives for this. You guys fought, and then now that it's cool, you're seeing all these straight guys LARP his gay to be like an ally.
1:26:52 Speaker 02 My culture's not your costume.
1:26:53 Speaker 00 My culture's not your costume. It is an interesting thing that's happening, and I think that they're being very accepting of it.
1:26:59 Speaker 05 I think you're totally right, and it's only underlined by heated R's popularity among straight women.
1:27:04 Speaker 00 Heated R means rivalry.
1:27:06 Speaker 02 Different, yeah. Hard R.
1:27:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:27:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:27:09 Speaker 05 Heated R.
1:27:10 Speaker 00 Heated R, sorry.
1:27:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's a Freudian slip. Yeah.
1:27:14 Speaker 00 Okay, go on.
1:27:15 Speaker 05 So he kind of wears her down and he's like, I like you, I like you. And then he just clowns her. He's like, I can't be exclusive with you. He takes her to-
1:27:23 Speaker 00 After hooking up?
1:27:24 Speaker 05 After hooking up and after taking her to meet his family.
1:27:27 Speaker 00 Oh!
1:27:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, he just kind of wants whatever he can't have. And also, something interesting, he's joining the show after all this. The show airs, he gets a ton of followers. He gets a ton of bad bitches hitting him up. That's a big thing about this show is that the dude's just like-
1:27:42 Speaker 00 They blow up.
1:27:43 Speaker 05 Going to fucking, you know, what's that bar in Mont-?
1:27:46 Speaker 00 Oh, uh- Side to not side talk down in Amagansett or in Montauk?
1:27:51 Speaker 05 In Montauk, like the facey facey one. Surf Lodge. They're at Surf Lodge and they love it. He's like, wait, why did I like? Pick Sierra too soon? That's kind of the vibe. Like I have the world is my oyster. Now I'm famous.
1:28:03 Speaker 00 She's beautiful, but now I got all these other beautiful girls.
1:28:05 Speaker 05 Absolutely. And remember she's like, kind of serious. She's, yeah, she's in her late twenties and she's like, I would love someone to love me and not be a clown. He's a clown. He makes a couple of other mistakes after his like first and second season, he's doing like a press tour. He just thinks like, everyone wants to hear what I have to say. He does like a New York Times thing where he's like, I would never date Sierra.
1:28:26 Speaker 00 That's how you have to utilize this.
1:28:29 Speaker 05 Yeah, absolutely. But you don't have to say, I would never date Sierra.
1:28:32 Speaker 00 Artist, is he a business?
1:28:34 Speaker 05 He's a sports journalist.
1:28:35 Speaker 00 Got it.
1:28:36 Speaker 05 That's kind of how he met Portnoy, like in the space, like there was talks of a Barstool podcast, but he works traditionally for Complex. Writing about sports, don't know anything about that. Set Michigan basketball. Go blue. Anyway, they used to hook up. This season, what we're watching is their marriage breakup and West kind of feeling like, oh shit, I fucked up with Sierra. I should get close to her again. Like that's kind of their afters. He's like, sitting in her lap. He's getting really drunk and he's like touching her arm and being like, yeah, I would kiss Sierra again. He's like, kind of, so we're watching these two things.
1:29:12 Speaker 00 So she successfully destroys their marriage and then he wants to rekindle the flame with Sierra.
1:29:18 Speaker 05 Yes, I'm not going to let you say that, that she's destroying their marriage.
1:29:22 Speaker 00 I'm just going off of your explanation. So this is all on you.
1:29:25 Speaker 05 Absolutely. I'll turn this around.
1:29:30 Speaker 05 So that's what we're watching. And at the same time, West, another guy in the house, Jesse, he's kind of like a B plot to all this. He asks West, hey, we've, Sierra and I have been flirting, like, could I?
1:29:42 Speaker 00 Could I crack?
1:29:42 Speaker 05 Could I, could I kiss her? And fucking Wes says no. Wes says, no, fuck you for even asking me that.
1:29:52 Speaker 00 So he's cock blocking, but doesn't want to claim her.
1:29:56 Speaker 05 But but what we're watching right now in like mid August is like we're headed towards maybe them rekindling.
1:30:00 Speaker 00 They're in the house together. Can I just ask a real quick question? They're in the house together?
1:30:04 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:30:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, man, that might be weird. Even like someone getting after your old work in the house with you.
1:30:09 Speaker 05 You're gonna love where this goes.
1:30:11 Speaker 00 Yeah. Wait till, yeah.
1:30:14 Speaker 05 Ciara is also like offended by Jesse asking that. She was like, why are you asking him if he can have sex with me? Why don't you just ask me on a date and then we'll handle Wes later?
1:30:22 Speaker 00 Doesn't she believe in girl code and like, didn't she not hook up with Hannah's guy because of that same exact reason?
1:30:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, absolutely. She does not hook up with Jesse. She's like, you're fucking stupid for asking this. I'm hot and beautiful and charming and a fun vibe. Everyone knows that. It's your fault for like falling for me a little bit, which I kind of respect.
1:30:37 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:30:37 Speaker 05 Like, she's like, just because of me vibe doesn't mean I'm like gonna have sex with you, which.
1:30:41 Speaker 00 But he didn't expect it. He was just asking.
1:30:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, but Jesse's also like kind of a slut, like by Wes tells him no one week and the next week he's like making out with a girl while she's like peeing. And it's like, oh, my God, you're gross. Anyway.
1:30:53 Speaker 00 That's fire. Yeah, that could be kind of cool. I don't know. I didn't see a video. That's fire. She's peeing?
1:30:58 Speaker 05 You just like see it off camera. Like she's in the bathroom and he's like, while you're peeing? And then we're looking at their empty room, but we hear them in the bathroom. They're just like, it's crazy.
1:31:05 Speaker 00 Never tried that one.
1:31:06 Speaker 05 The show is good. Anyway, now what we've heard like a couple of weeks ago, rumors. Oh, oh, also, I should mention they separate in January.
1:31:15 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:31:16 Speaker 05 Of 2026. So we know what we're watching is two people heading towards divorce, which has been dark. And Amanda's been like America's sweetheart.
1:31:24 Speaker 00 What's happening here is not on the television show. This is just happening online?
1:31:27 Speaker 05 No, this is everything I've described is happening on a television show. We're about to get into what's happening online.
1:31:32 Speaker 00 So the season ends and like they're still married and we don't know.
1:31:34 Speaker 05 They're still married, but like still hate each other. We know they're gonna separate in January, but like cameras are off. They're just people.
1:31:39 Speaker 00 So the season we're about to watch.
1:31:41 Speaker 05 Currently watching.
1:31:42 Speaker 00 Currently. Oh, the scene that's currently on.
1:31:43 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:31:44 Speaker 00 Six months old.
1:31:45 Speaker 05 Episodes airing.
1:31:46 Speaker 00 From the past summer.
1:31:47 Speaker 05 From the past summer, yes.
1:31:48 Speaker 00 Ah, so it's almost Kardashian-esque where like something happens in the real world and then we got to watch through.
1:31:53 Speaker 05 And that's Andy Cohen's genius is like it's the power's in the edit.
1:31:56 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:31:57 Speaker 05 And so they're they're watching this real time and they're all gonna go to a reunion in a while.
1:32:01 Speaker 00 Oh.
1:32:02 Speaker 05 Like, that's the thing to watch. That's bigger than the fucking.
1:32:05 Speaker 00 Okay, okay. What's happened off TV?
1:32:08 Speaker 05 So they separate and then a couple of weeks ago.
1:32:12 Speaker 00 Do they have kids?
1:32:13 Speaker 05 No.
1:32:13 Speaker 00 Thank God.
1:32:14 Speaker 05 Thank fucking God.
1:32:15 Speaker 00 They were together 10 years. Years, no kids.
1:32:16 Speaker 05 10 years, no kid, married since 2021. But like, he's not ready to be a dad. Like, no way. He's like, you smoke too much weed. And she's like, you stay out with teeny bopper fans. Like, it's like, cringe.
1:32:27 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:32:27 Speaker 05 I don't think Kyle's a good guy, if you can tell. Basically, now rumors surface that these two are kissing.
1:32:40 Speaker 00 I mean, she's got to feel so insecure, right? She's coming off of a 10 year relationship, the destruction of her marriage.
1:32:46 Speaker 05 Season is like sticking up to Kyle. He's being like, don't yell at your wife in front of us, you fucking asshole. Like, Amanda's a great girl who we all respect.
1:32:53 Speaker 00 We like that.
1:32:54 Speaker 05 We like that.
1:32:54 Speaker 00 We like men stepping in with abusive relationships and protecting women.
1:32:58 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:32:59 Speaker 00 So Wes is kind of a hero.
1:33:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, but Wes was trying to crack. And when he started to is unclear.
1:33:06 Speaker 00 Let me ask you this question. Was Wes trying to crack, or was Amanda in a situation where she was like any woman would be? Wow, you're putting out the woman.
1:33:14 Speaker 02 He's asking a question.
1:33:15 Speaker 00 No, she's in a situation where any woman would be where she's incredibly insecure after seeing like her foundation, her rock, her support system completely fall apart. DJ, as you said, which is very important. She's a homebody. She wants somebody to create the vibes for her. Yeah, exactly. That's no longer there. And she's incredibly vulnerable. Maybe you could say Wes took advantage of that.
1:33:34 Speaker 05 I totally agree.
1:33:35 Speaker 00 Maybe she just hooked up with the easiest option, someone she knew that wouldn't say no. Maybe she took advantage of. Yeah. Maybe she took advantage of Wes. Again, I don't watch the show. I'm just saying I'm throwing something out there.
1:33:45 Speaker 05 You're on to something with the first half of that thought and that she was vulnerable and she's never been alone. But that does not mean that you hook up with your friend's ex who you comforted them about. That is just breaking girl code. Like, you cannot do that. And remember, Ciara is a girl's girl. She would never even look at Kyle. She's like, kind of rude to him, honestly.
1:34:03 Speaker 00 But she would look at Jesse.
1:34:05 Speaker 05 No, she wouldn't. She said, I don't want to hook up with you.
1:34:07 Speaker 00 No. From what you said, she would have done it. She said, why don't you ask me out on a date? Why are you asking him first?
1:34:13 Speaker 05 Well, she was like, we could, like, you're just not even,
1:34:17 Speaker 05 you're not even entering the chat in the way that you think you are. You know what I mean? Jesse thought like, oh, she'd be so excited to just fuck me right now. And she's like, be fucking for real.
1:34:26 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:34:26 Speaker 05 Have you ever taken a woman on a date, ever? Like, I'm a woman. She also just like, a plot line of hers, she bought her grandparents' house with like, her own money. She's like, really cool.
1:34:35 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:34:36 Speaker 05 But. Yes.
1:34:37 Speaker 00 So she breaks girl code, but then he also breaks the guy.
1:34:40 Speaker 05 She does not break girl code.
1:34:41 Speaker 00 No, no, the other one, the other one.
1:34:42 Speaker 05 Oh, Amanda?
1:34:43 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:34:44 Speaker 05 Yes. So they start hooking up, like, we think rumored. We don't know when it starts. We're also like, we're going crazy. This is last week. I don't know if you guys could tell, I was very distracted.
1:34:53 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:34:53 Speaker 05 And then she and him, matching, black screen, Instagram story, white text, exact same thing. PR firm ass thing. They're saying, they're announcing their special connection, not a relationship, because he's incapable of relationships. Like, girl, you're getting someone who we know can't.
1:35:15 Speaker 00 Oh.
1:35:17 Speaker 05 She, they are announcing that they are fucking.
1:35:20 Speaker 00 They're fucking, but nothing more.
1:35:22 Speaker 05 Pretty much. Although, she's, what we can all presume, hiding in his apartment.
1:35:27 Speaker 00 What a guy, this guy. I'm, it's.
1:35:31 Speaker 02 He's housing a homeless woman?
1:35:32 Speaker 00 He's housing a homeless woman, that's dealing with a traumatic breakup, not only with.
1:35:36 Speaker 02 From abusive, bad guy.
1:35:37 Speaker 00 From an abusive bad guy and a breakup from her friend, right? She's no longer with her friend.
1:35:41 Speaker 05 Because she just got it to screw over her friend.
1:35:44 Speaker 00 Well, we don't know about that.
1:35:45 Speaker 02 Why is she screwing her friend? She's not dating Wes.
1:35:48 Speaker 05 But Wes is telling other people in the house, you can't hook up with Ciara. Isn't Ciara getting that same, like, shouldn't she have that same power, almost? Of like, my best friend shouldn't fucking hook up with the guy I've been complaining to.
1:36:01 Speaker 00 But didn't Ciara say, I can hook up with whoever I want? Why don't you just ask me out on a date? Why you have to ask him?
1:36:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, Wes is being toxic.
1:36:06 Speaker 00 Literally Wes did the thing that she told Jesse he should have done to her.
1:36:10 Speaker 05 No, Wes should not do anything with Amanda, ever, ever, ever.
1:36:14 Speaker 00 I'm just kinda saying, Wes is kinda like listening to Ciara and like living life through her eyes.
1:36:18 Mark Gagnon? Yo, you had me on Team Ciara, but now they're like...
1:36:21 Speaker 00 I don't watch the show. I'm just saying, I don't watch the show.
1:36:25 Mark Gagnon? I'm being convinced it's Team Wes right now.
1:36:27 Speaker 05 Can we remember, can we remember in this season, we're watching Wes kind of seduce Ciara again? And she's...
1:36:33 Speaker 00 But you can't seduce Ciara based on what you said to me. This is a strong, independent woman. She makes decisions for herself. She's not gonna let some guy manipulate her.
1:36:39 Speaker 05 Fuckboy, who doesn't? Who doesn't? Okay, that's the type of guy who does shit like that.
1:36:46 Speaker 00 And are other women potentially projecting things that they've experienced in their life onto this relationship?
1:36:51 Speaker 05 Al did this on AM mornings. He's holding Ciara to a really high standard of like, oh, don't hook up with the fuckboy. Try to live your life that way. It's difficult. They're gonna sneak in the cracks because they get close to you and they pretend to be gay.
1:37:01 Speaker 00 I'm yet to fuck a fuckboy, so it's not hard to not.
1:37:03 Speaker 05 There's still time.
1:37:06 Speaker 05 Lady fuckboy.
1:37:08 Mark Gagnon? You are a lady fuckboy.
1:37:09 Speaker 00 Okay, go.
1:37:09 Speaker 03 I love the passion. Please stop hitting the board as hard as...
1:37:12 Speaker 00 No, hit it as long as you're hard as you want, it's fine. Okay, go. Okay, so just so I can understand this, and I'm trying to be completely objective here as someone who has not consumed the show, and I'm just going off of this explanation, what I've seen on the internet. Ciara, strong, independent woman, wants a serious relationship. Doesn't believe in this idea that like, just because two guys are friends, they should have to ask permission in order to ask her out on a date.
1:37:31 Speaker 05 She just wants to be involved more in the decision. I get that. I totally get that.
1:37:35 Speaker 00 She's totally, she's involved in everything. She's involved in their demise. She's involved in...
1:37:39 Speaker 05 Oh, because Amanda's unhappy. Ciara's not like putting that on Amanda. Amanda is actively crying about what her husband is yelling at her in front of everybody.
1:37:47 Speaker 00 He should not yell at her. You shouldn't be yelling at women.
1:37:49 Speaker 05 He be doing it.
1:37:50 Speaker 00 I know it's wrong. It is, it is, it is a, what is his name? Kyle? Kyle, this is, there's, you just cannot do that.
1:37:56 Mark Gagnon? But try to live your life not yelling at women.
1:38:00 Speaker 05 We all yell at women. We all sleep with fuckboys.
1:38:01 Speaker 00 These are not, you can't yell.
1:38:03 Mark Gagnon? No one perfect.
1:38:05 Speaker 05 It's really lame. It's like 2 AM and being like... Like you're not paying attention to me. You want to hang out with the other guys and not me and I'm your husband. And it's like, shut the fuck up.
1:38:14 Speaker 00 Oh, so he's, he's insecure. He's hurt that his wife doesn't want to be with him.
1:38:17 Speaker 02 He just wants to be loved.
1:38:18 Speaker 05 That's true. These people hate each other. Their marriage is like over. Like, like there's so much resentment on both sides.
1:38:24 Speaker 00 Because what they really want deep down, they can't ask for, which is, I just want your love. I don't want you to be sitting at home all night smoking weed and just cuddling up. I actually want you to take interest in what I'm interested in, which is DJing and selling seltzers.
1:38:35 Speaker 05 And hanging out with 25 year old fans?
1:38:37 Speaker 00 Yeah, I just want you to take interest in my interests.
1:38:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:38:40 Speaker 00 Why don't you ask him about these 25 year old fans? I'm just saying, like, maybe that's what he's really into.
1:38:45 Speaker 05 Something interesting is Amanda is crying and then two episodes ago, she's crying saying, I didn't ever think I could do better. That's why I married him. Like, if you're saying that, like, it's over.
1:38:56 Speaker 00 Listen, the reality is, is that, you know, we deal with these complex situations that are handed down to us from the relationships our parents have. And like, we really have to look into Amanda's parents and see that why she would.
1:39:06 Speaker 05 Amanda's parents are together, but with all this, we're, we're thinking about.
1:39:09 Speaker 00 But why would she settle for this, like, male model?
1:39:12 Speaker 05 She has.
1:39:13 Speaker 00 I can't imagine.
1:39:14 Speaker 05 Kyle is ageless. He's looked that way since he was born. He's 43. Can you tell?
1:39:18 Speaker 00 He's 43 years old.
1:39:19 Speaker 05 He's 43.
1:39:20 Speaker 00 So he's this incredibly handsome guy and the man is going, I didn't think I deserved anything better.
1:39:24 Speaker 05 Handsome. He's just like ageless.
1:39:26 Speaker 00 I think he looks handsome.
1:39:27 Speaker 02 He's a DJ, he can B-match.
1:39:28 Speaker 05 I forgot I came on the gay podcast. You guys love men.
1:39:32 Speaker 00 Listen to the beginning. This is nothing compared to that. You should see his picture of Mark. Anyway, anyway.
1:39:41 Speaker 05 Where even are we?
1:39:42 Speaker 00 What, what, what you were framing to me.
1:39:44 Speaker 05 They just hard launched their thing, their situationship.
1:39:49 Speaker 00 It seemed to me, and I could be wrong, Wes is dealing with, with this emotional turmoil of realizing he fucked up the best woman that's ever been in his life. And he's probably not going to get another chance, being Sierra, this strong, independent.
1:40:00 Speaker 05 But he's working to get another chance.
1:40:02 Speaker 00 Let me, let me just posit the theory. So he's trying to, he's trying to get this girl back in his life. He realized he was being a fuck boy. And you know what? He ran this girl away and this girl's probably too strong. She's probably too independent. She probably respects herself too much.
1:40:14 Speaker 05 She's really not.
1:40:15 Speaker 00 To give him another chance. Let me just get it.
1:40:17 Speaker 05 She's like hard.
1:40:17 Speaker 00 Can I just get it out?
1:40:20 Speaker 05 I'm so phony on socials.
1:40:21 Speaker 00 Exactly, you are. Now, listen. So, so he's like, so he's like, fuck, I just ruined the best thing that could have ever happened to me. I'm down in the dumps. I'm feeling so insecure. I'm feeling so low. I just want to feel good. And Amanda, at the same time, thought that she could never do better than this guy. It turns out that that relationship was toxic. It was dysfunctional. He's yelling at her. Should never do it. They were with him to get together for 10 years. And you know what? It's not going to work out. So that both of them are in the dumps. They're at their lowest. And two people at their lowest find each other just so they can feel good for one moment. And then the entire world is scrutinizing.
1:40:55 Speaker 05 I'm listening. I'm listening. I just want to add some flair. That is what's happening. But let me tell you, I don't care what gender you are. If your friend comes to you and says, you know, I'm having a hard time with this guy who's like going in the New York Times saying I'm like undateable. That's top of your list. Do not fuck. Amanda, you've been in a relationship for 10 years. Try someone else that's not living in the fucking house. Didn't screw your friend over for the last three years.
1:41:22 Speaker 00 But you're not going to renew that contract if you do that.
1:41:24 Mark Gagnon? What about Broco? Because they're cool. They're homies.
1:41:27 Speaker 05 These guys are friends. He just took her.
1:41:29 Mark Gagnon? And you missed the big part. They might have been hooking up before they were actually separated.
1:41:33 Speaker 05 Absolutely.
1:41:35 Speaker 00 Is that true?
1:41:35 Speaker 05 We're watching. That's the intrigue of this season that we're watching right now.
1:41:39 Speaker 00 Let me ask you this question. Is it possible that Kyle talks to his boy, West, and he goes, West, I am in this marriage that I've realized is not right for me. I need to get out of this marriage. Is there any way?
1:41:51 Speaker 05 If this helps you go like go method?
1:41:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah. So he goes, hey, I need to get out of this marriage. It's not right for me. She's a lovely girl, but she's not into my interests. She doesn't want to DJ until 6:00 in the morning. She wants to smoke weed at the house all night. Right? I need to get out of this. Is there any way that you could help me?
1:42:08 Speaker 05 Funny. He doesn't want to get out of it. He loves Amanda. That's one thing about this guy. Like, he, like, she's so hot and awesome and cool. And like, everyone likes to hang out with Amanda. Like, he's realizing, like, why does my wife hate me? I wish she didn't hate me.
1:42:20 Speaker 00 What is, what are her interests besides smoking weed and chilling at the house? I feel like that's.
1:42:24 Speaker 05 Well, they all drink. She's also like has a.
1:42:26 Speaker 00 Do other drugs.
1:42:27 Speaker 05 She has a swimmer line.
1:42:29 Mark Gagnon? She likes dating fuckboys.
1:42:30 Speaker 00 She out there fuckboy. Yeah, what jobs do they have? So he's a DJ. I'm not into the stay at the house all day smoking weed guys.
1:42:36 Speaker 05 Not all day. But she's just not staying at the club till four. She's like, I'm a married thirty-four year old woman.
1:42:41 Speaker 00 Yeah, I like that. I like that. I don't like going to the club till four.
1:42:44 Speaker 05 Peter Pan lifestyle. And she's like, no, thank you. We don't go out anymore like that.
1:42:48 Speaker 00 What is her occupation?
1:42:50 Speaker 05 She's a swimmer line, and I think she's like the creative director of his alcohol company, but I'm not a hundred percent.
1:42:55 Speaker 00 But the alcohol company's failing.
1:42:56 Speaker 05 Yes, the alcohol company's failing.
1:42:58 Speaker 00 Because of the.
1:42:58 Speaker 05 He's crying. His storyline is like, my wife hates me and I have three months payroll and my small business, and it's really depressing.
1:43:03 Speaker 00 Can I ask one question about that?
1:43:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:43:05 Speaker 00 So is there a version where he took out this small business loan so he could keep paying his wife that he loves?
1:43:10 Speaker 05 No, because he stopped taking salary. And I also don't know if that's what she's the creative director of. She's kind of like, he went to business school, he's a businessman. Why should I have checked about his loan?
1:43:20 Speaker 00 This guy, I feel like he might be misunderstood. It's also, he might be the victim in all of this. I think he might be.
1:43:26 Mark Gagnon? This dude sleeping with his wife.
1:43:27 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:43:28 Mark Gagnon? He just wants love from his wife.
1:43:30 Speaker 00 His wife wants to smoke weed and chill on a couch all day.
1:43:33 Speaker 05 You are so wrong.
1:43:36 Speaker 00 How is he in music? Does he have good music? Yeah, what is, what is the DJing like?
1:43:39 Speaker 05 It's like unoriginal. Like, he's just playing like, I will survive this past weekend, like.
1:43:44 Speaker 00 Isn't that what DJing is? Playing other people's music?
1:43:46 Mark Gagnon? That is kind of DJ.
1:43:47 Speaker 05 I don't like him!
1:43:48 Speaker 00 No. You can make an argument that like Wes is DJing his wife.
1:43:55 Speaker 00 Right? Like, he's playing other people's hits. He is playing other people's hits.
1:44:01 Speaker 00 Like, and there might be a version where he really appreciates it.
1:44:04 Speaker 05 Can I say in this, like, situation that we're watching this season of Wes trying to, like, come back? Ciara's being very vulnerable at this big group dinner, saying, hey, you guys don't know how hard it is to be on this show. I was the first black cast member, and my fucking internet presence is just flooded with people clowning on me for just like letting these white boys play me.
1:44:22 Mark Gagnon? That does suck.
1:44:22 Speaker 05 It sucks. It sucks really bad. And she's crying at this dinner, and the other black cast members are like, wow, thank you for, like, bringing this up. We could never, like, get them to understand. Like, Kyle doesn't know shit about that fuck. Like, he's just like, you know, not so emotionally in tuned, perhaps.
1:44:37 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:44:37 Speaker 05 And Wes is like being very mature and listening to her, and you think maybe he's gonna grow into like a person who can support her?
1:44:43 Mark Gagnon? Right.
1:44:44 Speaker 05 And it's also pretty cool to be like, I'm so hot. She's a nurse, by the way. She's a nurse, influencer, model.
1:44:49 Mark Gagnon? Kyle and Ciara would be perfect.
1:44:51 Speaker 05 No, she hates Kyle.
1:44:52 Speaker 02 I was about to say the same thing.
1:44:53 Speaker 05 She hates Kyle.
1:44:54 Mark Gagnon? They sound like a perfect couple.
1:44:56 Speaker 05 She hates Kyle because Kyle mistreated her best friend.
1:44:59 Speaker 00 But now she knows her best friend will fuck her friend.
1:45:01 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:45:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, so maybe her best friend's actually a friend of mine.
1:45:03 Speaker 05 I don't think getting more entrenched in this is the move at all. And let me tell you.
1:45:07 Mark Gagnon? Friend might be the problem.
1:45:08 Speaker 05 Rihanna has reached out to Ciara and said, I'm gonna set you up with Michael B. Jordan. He's down. She's like.
1:45:14 Speaker 02 Wait, Rihanna?
1:45:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:45:16 Speaker 02 Friend of the show, one of Alex's friends that she took a photo with?
1:45:18 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I did.
1:45:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:45:20 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:45:20 Speaker 05 Have you talked to her about this?
1:45:21 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, I did.
1:45:22 Speaker 02 That is crazy.
1:45:23 Speaker 05 These were besties. So why would she do that? Like, we're watching, we just saw her birthday dinner. He got her a Cartier watch, but she planned all the food. So everyone's kind of like, you got her that Cartier watch because like, you suck? Like, is that?
1:45:39 Mark Gagnon? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
1:45:42 Speaker 02 Hold on, no, time is money, bro.
1:45:44 Mark Gagnon? Hold on, hold on, hold on.
1:45:46 Speaker 05 He is like.
1:45:47 Speaker 02 So what is getting a Cartier watch?
1:45:48 Mark Gagnon? That was insane.
1:45:50 Speaker 05 Tell me, tell me.
1:45:51 Mark Gagnon? Hold on one second.
1:45:51 Speaker 05 It's kind of like when you get flowers because you yelled at her. Like, you know, like, that was the tone of the watch giving. But she's planning the birthday.
1:45:59 Speaker 00 Then getting a girl a nice gift
1:46:03 Speaker 00 is in place of doing all the planning.
1:46:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's unattractive.
1:46:08 Speaker 00 Yeah, but the guys that do all the planning, they probably aren't willing to buy their girl something really nice.
1:46:15 Mark Gagnon? Or the good guys do both.
1:46:17 Speaker 05 Trying to be like, here, I'm a good husband.
1:46:19 Speaker 00 The good guys do both.
1:46:20 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:46:22 Speaker 05 The good guys might not exist, is what this is showing me.
1:46:25 Speaker 00 I don't know if you're gonna find good guys that want to be on reality shows.
1:46:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't think Bravo's Summer House.
1:46:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't know if that's where you're gonna find your guy. These, these people, they all might be sweet.
1:46:37 Speaker 05 That's a concession I can give you.
1:46:38 Speaker 00 They have probably an insatiable desire for attention without a skill to get it. So therefore, they put themselves on.
1:46:43 Speaker 05 The same thing you said about podcasters.
1:46:44 Speaker 00 No, no.
1:46:47 Speaker 00 We're comedians, okay?
1:46:49 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:46:50 Speaker 00 We're comedians, yes. You could say it about podcasters.
1:46:52 Speaker 05 I'm just saying, we live in an attention economy. Everyone loves the sound of their own voice. I don't think Summer House is like as bad as like.
1:46:58 Speaker 00 To your point.
1:46:59 Speaker 05 This is the most chic one you can do.
1:47:00 Speaker 00 I think you could say it about podcasters, but I think if you have like an art, like let's say you do music or you do comedy or something like that, you have a thing you could get attention for.
1:47:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:47:09 Speaker 00 I don't know if these guys have a thing they could get attention for, therefore the currency is drama.
1:47:14 Speaker 05 The currency is drama for sure.
1:47:15 Speaker 00 And it's a really tough situation to put, like I look at the Housewives chicks and I go, they need attention, they want cameras on them, they want people talking about them, but they don't really have the skill to do anything.
1:47:23 Speaker 05 They're usually broke, the Housewives.
1:47:25 Speaker 00 Well, maybe they need money as well.
1:47:26 Speaker 05 They go on that show to get money. These people are going on the show to get a following to like have a future like Paige and Hannah.
1:47:32 Speaker 02 It is interesting that this guy has a failing seltzer company on one of the biggest shows on TV.
1:47:36 Speaker 05 I know, it's so lame. You've had 10 years of free advertising, you can't make an alcohol company work? Are you fucking dumb as shit?
1:47:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:47:43 Speaker 02 Maybe it's creative direction, huh?
1:47:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, it could be the creative direction. Like maybe if he hired a different creative director, then there would be a more successful company.
1:47:50 Speaker 05 Unsheath my sword.
1:47:51 Speaker 00 But he's so loyal that he won't fire his wife, who might be the issue for the business.
1:47:54 Speaker 05 I regret saying that, actually. Joey, can we get a fact check on that? What is she, the creative director of Amanda? But she does have a swimmer line, and I know that was important to her for.
1:48:04 Speaker 00 And how's that doing?
1:48:05 Speaker 05 I don't know. She didn't wear one in the pool that day, and that was a huge problem.
1:48:09 Speaker 00 Ooh, she has a swimmer company and she's wearing. You have a swimmer company, but you're skinny dipping. A lot of things, things are not acting up.
1:48:15 Speaker 05 She also was wearing a bra on, right?
1:48:17 Speaker 02 Oh, the beverage brand Loverboy.
1:48:18 Speaker 00 She is the creative director and lead designer for the beverage brand Loverboy.
1:48:22 Speaker 05 She's an artist. She's like, she's like, that's her thing. She says that. She's like, I don't know anything about business. I design.
1:48:28 Mark Gagnon? Well, clearly she doesn't, because the company's failing.
1:48:31 Speaker 05 And, oh my God, he looks crazy.
1:48:33 Speaker 02 Maybe, so maybe there's another reason why it's failing. Maybe.
1:48:36 Speaker 05 Have you ever seen this drink out? Like, they have distribution problems. It's like a poorly run company. Like, you've never heard of it?
1:48:43 Speaker 00 No.
1:48:44 Speaker 05 So.
1:48:45 Speaker 00 But I also, yeah.
1:48:49 Speaker 00 Hmm.
1:48:50 Speaker 05 He's so cringe.
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1:52:14 Speaker 00 So who are we team?
1:52:15 Speaker 05 We are team Sierra.
1:52:18 Speaker 00 I was up until I heard their side like.
1:52:22 Speaker 05 Can we get into the Portnoy timeline of it all?
1:52:24 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:52:25 Speaker 05 An intrigue of watching this past season. Okay, so Portnoy basically speaks up and he's like, when they do their dual post last week, he was like, oh, well, this is old news. Chicken Fry, familiar. Chicken Fry told me that at the Super Bowl and everyone in the internet says, whoa, whoa, whoa, we never heard Super Bowl timeline before. So they, they have been hooking up at the Super Bowl. They've only been separated since January. That's one month. And then we look back at the fucking season that we're watching right now and she'll like, Kyle's drunk and yelling at her. She'll go in the bathroom crying, right? She'll come out and she'll, she'll see Wes and she'll smile. Or like, or like, they're, they're walking by each other in the hallway and she'll kinda like, do like a dragging arm thing and their arms are touching.
1:53:09 Mark Gagnon? Oh yeah, they're fucking.
1:53:10 Speaker 05 And I'm watching now being like, oh, all bets are off of when this situation started.
1:53:15 Mark Gagnon? They're fucking.
1:53:16 Speaker 05 And they were also suss as fuck hiding it.
1:53:19 Mark Gagnon? Monkey boss.
1:53:20 Speaker 00 It's where like you like, you don't.
1:53:21 Mark Gagnon? You don't let go of one until you have a hand on it.
1:53:23 Speaker 05 She could not let go of him until she had him. And she.
1:53:26 Speaker 00 So maybe he helped, he's like methadone. Like he helped her off it.
1:53:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, but she should be off men entirely. She's, I encourage her to like learn from this.
1:53:35 Speaker 00 Yeah, like you can't go cold turkey.
1:53:37 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, if you're bouncing on a crazy style for years, all of a sudden you stop.
1:53:40 Speaker 00 Years of bouncing on a crazy style.
1:53:42 Speaker 05 I know, they were having sex.
1:53:44 Mark Gagnon? Come on.
1:53:44 Speaker 05 He, oh my God, in the show, he asked her to shower with her and she says no. It's like.
1:53:50 Mark Gagnon? She sounds horrible.
1:53:52 Speaker 05 She's not great.
1:53:54 Mark Gagnon? She like, there's nothing in Daring you mentioned about her at all.
1:53:57 Speaker 05 She's very insecure leaving this relationship and like went for the first thing.
1:54:01 Speaker 00 But the way you're describing her, she's like some pothead that just hangs out on the couch while her husband's company that he pays her to work at is failing. Maybe she should be working.
1:54:09 Speaker 05 I think you're over emphasizing this donor thing. That's not really her whole personality.
1:54:12 Speaker 00 What you said that her personality was and her entire identity.
1:54:14 Speaker 05 She's just kinda like, oh, it's 11pm, maybe I'd wanna like watch a show and hit the pen with my husband.
1:54:19 Speaker 00 Maybe you should design some new cans. Maybe you should work on the brand.
1:54:22 Mark Gagnon? He asked her to come in the shower and she said no, like, he's trying to get a little man.
1:54:26 Speaker 00 There's nothing better than coming in the shower.
1:54:28 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:54:28 Speaker 05 I'm just saying, they're not having sex. Like, it's not like she's like.
1:54:31 Mark Gagnon? But I mean, it seems like it's hers. She's the problem. He's trying. He's making an effort.
1:54:36 Speaker 00 So he's making an effort.
1:54:37 Speaker 05 Wes is the fucking problem. That is your ex's best friend? You wouldn't do that.
1:54:41 Mark Gagnon? They're both fucked up.
1:54:42 Speaker 05 You guys all wouldn't do that.
1:54:43 Speaker 00 What'd you get mad at a scorpion for stinging something? You know? It's like, you know my nature. You decided to ride across the river.
1:54:50 Speaker 05 We didn't quite know his nature. This is very dark. How would you know that he was gonna do this?
1:54:54 Speaker 00 We know his nature.
1:54:56 Speaker 02 Fuckboy.
1:54:56 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, you gotta expect that from fuckboys like.
1:54:59 Speaker 05 But we only learned he was a fuckboy once he had already like been engaged with Ciara and like invited.
1:55:05 Mark Gagnon? Oh, Kyle was a fuckboy?
1:55:07 Speaker 00 They were engaged?
1:55:08 Speaker 05 No, like engaged with, like they were, he was already kissing Ciara on this first season of his and then once it airs, then we kind of realized he's a fuckboy.
1:55:16 Mark Gagnon? When you say kissing, they were fucking.
1:55:17 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:55:18 Mark Gagnon? Okay.
1:55:18 Speaker 00 But like, they were hooking up and then because they're hooking up on the show, it means they're in a relationship?
1:55:25 Speaker 05 She was kind of like, I don't really want to be with anyone unless you like actually have feelings for me. And he kind of was like, yeah, okay, like I'll.
1:55:32 Speaker 00 He kind of was like, or he said, okay, I'll be with you.
1:55:35 Mark Gagnon? No.
1:55:35 Speaker 05 He's like.
1:55:36 Speaker 00 This is like girl ears where like they hear, yeah, we're in a relationship, but he's probably like, nah, we're just fucking. And then she gets upset.
1:55:42 Mark Gagnon? Nah, I kind of think he's doing the thing where it's just like.
1:55:45 Speaker 05 He's been using his close friendship with her to be like, yeah, like I know you want someone like on that someone. And then the second he can like get ass with his new followers, he's like, I would never be with Ciara. Let me tell fucking every podcast and news outlet, who cares what I have to say, that like, I would never want to be with Ciara. Meanwhile, she's like, fuck you, dude. Keep my name out your mouth. You're a rookie. You've never been on a reality show. You don't do that to each other. Like we're a tight knit community.
1:56:10 Mark Gagnon? A rookie.
1:56:10 Speaker 02 Wait, Survivor, you do that to people and like traitors?
1:56:13 Speaker 05 But this isn't a.
1:56:13 Speaker 00 Isn't the basis of reality shows fucking people over?
1:56:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, I thought that was the point of it.
1:56:17 Speaker 05 I guess in that, in that unique way, your favorite word, gauche.
1:56:20 Speaker 00 Yes, so gauche.
1:56:22 Speaker 05 So gauche. You wouldn't do.
1:56:24 Speaker 00 But I would also say.
1:56:25 Speaker 05 If you got in a disagreement with Mark, you wouldn't like go to the New York Times and be like, Mark was rude to me.
1:56:29 Mark Gagnon? But that could actually help with ticket sales if you.
1:56:33 Speaker 05 Talk about me as much as he can.
1:56:34 Speaker 00 Can't gag on, he'll be at Sash next week and the Mary Lo Show as well.
1:56:38 Mark Gagnon? Yes.
1:56:38 Speaker 00 Um, I, it seems to me that Ciara's personality type does not fit with reality TV.
1:56:47 Speaker 05 No, she is like really fun and funny.
1:56:50 Speaker 00 But that's not what the show is about.
1:56:52 Speaker 02 Would you rather all of them are just like really well adjusted and nice?
1:56:54 Speaker 00 This show, let me tell you what this show is about, having never seen it.
1:56:58 Speaker 05 Uh huh. Drama.
1:56:59 Speaker 00 Yeah. And the first time there's some real drama, the entire world is talking about it. So that's what this show has been missing.
1:57:04 Speaker 02 Well, there's been, there's been a lot of- Perfect for the show.
1:57:06 Speaker 00 Because you need-
1:57:07 Speaker 02 She represents you.
1:57:08 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:57:09 Speaker 02 She represents the viewer.
1:57:09 Speaker 00 Someone to get fucked over by these psychopaths on a reality show. What I mean by like not supposed to be on a reality show, I mean, the personality type, she's like so like measured and from your description.
1:57:19 Speaker 05 Cool and normal.
1:57:19 Speaker 00 Cool and normal.
1:57:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:57:20 Speaker 00 And then she's almost taken advantage of by all these people who are not really measured, cool and normal. They have a sensational desire.
1:57:25 Speaker 05 And she's also dealing with something that is being a 10 out of 10. She's like, everyone's obsessed with me. Don't fuck me unless you were serious about it. You know, all the dudes come in the house and like wanna fuck with Sierra and she's like, I only wanna let someone in. They're like, share my values.
1:57:40 Speaker 00 Has she tried not fucking him?
1:57:42 Speaker 05 She did try. He weaseled his way in through friendship. That I don't know. A summer.
1:57:48 Speaker 02 He weaseled in through friendship?
1:57:50 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:57:50 Speaker 00 Played the long game.
1:57:51 Speaker 05 We've seen it done.
1:57:51 Speaker 02 Oh, we've seen it.
1:57:53 Speaker 05 We've seen it done.
1:57:53 Speaker 00 Just saying, girls, you gotta hold out a little bit longer. You gotta see.
1:57:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:57:57 Speaker 00 You gotta see how long they work.
1:57:58 Speaker 05 Sierra here is the mistake.
1:58:00 Speaker 00 I'm just-
1:58:00 Speaker 05 Spend any time going on her behavior.
1:58:02 Speaker 02 Outside, don't bring it inside.
1:58:04 Speaker 00 Don't bring the wooden horses.
1:58:05 Speaker 05 Why is he allowed to be a wooden horse?
1:58:07 Speaker 00 Hmm.
1:58:08 Speaker 02 Because he-
1:58:08 Speaker 05 He's a badass guy.
1:58:10 Speaker 00 That's what guys do.
1:58:12 Speaker 02 Take it up with Andy Cohen.
1:58:13 Speaker 00 Reality shows.
1:58:14 Speaker 02 Get him off the payroll. I mean, is he on a TV show?
1:58:16 Speaker 00 If you're fucking the guy who goes on the reality show for attention, he knows what he has to do.
1:58:21 Speaker 05 That's a non-starter.
1:58:22 Speaker 00 Do you have to only fuck people on the reality show?
1:58:25 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:58:26 Speaker 05 That's an interesting thing to me because I'm like, dude, just find another dude.
1:58:30 Speaker 00 Then why can't she?
1:58:31 Speaker 05 Because she's insecure.
1:58:32 Speaker 02 Because the producers are telling her, hey, hook up with this guy.
1:58:34 Speaker 05 Because she's insecure.
1:58:35 Speaker 00 Ding ding ding, Mark. Bring the reality.
1:58:38 Speaker 02 I was playing the cave babe for a little, but it's also like, what are we talking about?
1:58:41 Speaker 00 What are we talking about, right? Give Alex real talk.
1:58:43 Speaker 05 Tell him.
1:58:43 Speaker 00 Give Alex real talk, girl.
1:58:44 Speaker 05 Let's get into it.
1:58:45 Speaker 00 Give Alex real talk, Mark. Talk your shit.
1:58:47 Speaker 02 What is like, this is not real.
1:58:50 Speaker 05 What do you mean?
1:58:51 Speaker 02 Like this is, is a science experiment. The producers put them in rooms and then they manipulate them and then they edit it to make it look like something happened.
1:58:57 Speaker 00 And they add alcohol.
1:58:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:58:59 Speaker 05 This one is like the most real, for sure.
1:59:01 Speaker 00 Oh, you're so terrible. She's so cute. She's so cutie.
1:59:07 Mark Gagnon? They really buy into this shit. I know.
1:59:10 Speaker 05 Can I just say, like, watching a trash show for 10 years? This is the kind of punchline you hope is gonna pay off. You know what I mean? Like, we've been invested in these people.
1:59:17 Mark Gagnon? This is adorable.
1:59:18 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's fun, but it's not like Alex. Alex, if you was growing up, I was like, Christopher Columbus was so noble and brave.
1:59:26 Speaker 00 I read it in a book.
1:59:28 Speaker 05 I did learn that in high school that he might not be.
1:59:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, he might not be, but whatever. We're here already.
1:59:33 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
1:59:34 Speaker 00 So the point is, you have people who are probably all a little bit crazy. That's why they agreed to go on a reality show and expose the inner workings of their emotional turmoil with the world.
1:59:47 Speaker 02 Without even equity stakes.
1:59:49 Speaker 05 Do you guys not see any intensive? Look at Paige, look at Hannah.
1:59:53 Speaker 00 Would you let somebody film you hooking up with guys? And you still had a day job?
1:59:58 Speaker 05 If I could work here Monday through Thursday and get this following Friday through Sunday, absolutely, I fucking would.
2:00:03 Speaker 00 I don't think that you would.
2:00:04 Mark Gagnon? No, you wouldn't.
2:00:05 Speaker 00 No, I can't say what you wouldn't do, and I'm not talking about hooking up with guys. But would you let somebody film, like, the intimacies of your emotional relationships? And you still worked at a restaurant? It's one or the other, right? Like, this is, they're giving them nothing.
2:00:18 Speaker 05 I guess you're doing it as an out to get out of your restaurant job. You're hoping that you can build a following to get out.
2:00:23 Speaker 02 So it's like emotional squid games. It's like, instead of competing to the death, you're just like putting your psyche on the line every single episode.
2:00:30 Speaker 05 Hoping that you can make yourself a face.
2:00:32 Speaker 00 And you're going through that job, and Monday through Thursday, you're like, man, this sucks. I'm like, I know how to get attention on this show. I know what I gotta do.
2:00:39 Speaker 05 That's more Vanderpump.
2:00:40 Speaker 00 I know what I gotta do.
2:00:40 Mark Gagnon? And Alex.
2:00:41 Speaker 05 They actually worked together.
2:00:42 Mark Gagnon? There are some success stories like Hannah and Paige, but then you also have Kyle, who's in debt with a shitty company that's been on for 10 seasons.
2:00:51 Speaker 05 Now he's doing front-facing content, being like, it was really hard for me to be open about my financial losses, and I would really support if you guys would, uh, would support Loverboy and come to my DJ shows. So I think he's gonna, like, turn it around.
2:01:03 Speaker 00 10 seasons.
2:01:04 Speaker 05 He's just a fucking loser. That's a big takeaway is Kyle is lame.
2:01:08 Speaker 00 I don't know enough.
2:01:09 Speaker 02 I don't know the guy.
2:01:10 Speaker 00 I don't know. I don't know enough. I don't know enough. But based on what you're saying, I think a lot of people could probably relate to having a dream and like giving everything and putting after it and then like it not working out.
2:01:19 Speaker 05 And then your boy steals your wife. That is the.
2:01:23 Speaker 02 That would suck.
2:01:23 Speaker 00 This guy, this guy has lost the most.
2:01:27 Speaker 02 Yes.
2:01:28 Speaker 00 This guy's lost. He lost the love of his life and his marriage.
2:01:32 Speaker 05 Amanda also lost her marriage and her good.
2:01:35 Speaker 02 Creative director.
2:01:36 Speaker 00 Amanda's gonna be fine. She already got another guy.
2:01:38 Speaker 05 Be the creator. I don't know.
2:01:40 Speaker 00 But like she's already got another guy and she's the talk of the town.
2:01:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:01:43 Speaker 05 She's the talk of the town in a bad way. And honestly, something that I think Amanda's not calculating is that West will not commit to you either bitch. I'm sure that he's just like scrolling through his new followers from this, looking at everyone in a bikini being like, life's awesome.
2:01:57 Speaker 02 Wes should be the face of their seltzer brand.
2:01:59 Speaker 00 That is lover boy.
2:02:00 Speaker 02 Cause he's like the kind of the epitome.
2:02:02 Speaker 05 He's not a lover.
2:02:03 Speaker 00 But girls don't wanna lover.
2:02:06 Speaker 02 Girls really drink seltzer don't wanna lover, is it? They wanna fuck boy.
2:02:09 Speaker 00 They wanna fuck boy.
2:02:10 Speaker 02 But you can't put that word on a can.
2:02:12 Speaker 00 So you say lover boy.
2:02:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:02:13 Speaker 00 It's fuck boy seltzer. And that's.
2:02:15 Speaker 05 We call it Wes.
2:02:16 Speaker 00 Peak fuck boy right there.
2:02:17 Speaker 05 I would assume that Kyle wants to kill Wes.
2:02:20 Speaker 00 No, no, no. Kyle wants attention. And Wes is giving Kyle attention.
2:02:28 Speaker 05 But it's the worst kind of attention.
2:02:30 Speaker 00 No, it's better because before he was just. Can you explain that reality show to her?
2:02:34 Speaker 05 No, it's the worst.
2:02:35 Speaker 02 Do you think so cool Steve Austin really tried to kill Vince McMahon?
2:02:37 Speaker 00 Yeah. What do you, what do you believe and not believe?
2:02:39 Speaker 02 When they, like, do you think Vince McMahon's daughter really married Triple H?
2:02:43 Speaker 05 Do you think I sit down and watch WWE, Mark? Do you think that's my palette of content?
2:02:48 Speaker 00 Yes. Yeah, you're. WWE is realer than this. I promise you.
2:02:53 Speaker 02 Actually, in fairness, Triple H did marry Vince McMahon's daughter after.
2:02:58 Speaker 02 Actually, I'm working against myself.
2:02:59 Speaker 05 I'm, this is like pretty fucking real to me. I don't know. Because also when they announced their, you're laughing. When they announced.
2:03:06 Speaker 00 So adorable.
2:03:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:03:08 Speaker 00 This is like.
2:03:08 Speaker 05 Can't women have hobbies?
2:03:10 Speaker 00 I'm thinking about my daughter and I'm gonna have to go through this in a few years with like Blue's Clues.
2:03:16 Speaker 02 But Blue's Clues is always more blue because it listens to you. It's like, where's the pencil? And you're like, it's over there. And he's like, oh, thanks.
2:03:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, well, the pencil is Wes and Batula.
2:03:25 Speaker 00 Batula? That's her last name?
2:03:26 Speaker 05 Batula, yeah. There's a picture of Ciara when they co-post their like Instagram story thing. There's just a paparazzi picture of her in New York City in meatpacking, like on the ground. To the point where it's like, oh, I thought she probably knew, but she didn't know that they were posting that. Clearly. She's like literally outside of like pasties, like fuck, on the ground. So it's like, she's just getting screwed over by people that she loved.
2:03:50 Speaker 00 She does really believe this shit.
2:03:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, you don't think that the paparazzi-
2:03:52 Mark Gagnon? How did the paparazzi know she was gonna be there?
2:03:54 Speaker 05 Can I tell you, I actually got this in a group chat of like, women I went to college with way before Page Six had it.
2:04:00 Speaker 00 Are you starting to realize a little bit of what's happening or no?
2:04:06 Speaker 05 I know.
2:04:11 Speaker 00 Page Six gets this great shot.
2:04:13 Mark Gagnon? Perfect shot.
2:04:14 Speaker 00 At the exact moment when they-
2:04:16 Mark Gagnon? What if you go hard lock there?
2:04:17 Speaker 05 Can I show you that I had this photo before it was published?
2:04:20 Speaker 00 Nurturingly and carrying it. Why would the paparazzi be outside?
2:04:23 Speaker 05 It wasn't a paparazzi. I literally got this text in a group chat. My friend sent me like, oh, so and so sent me this photo. Like, they saw her there. Like, that photo is not like-
2:04:32 Speaker 00 So it might be completely detached from this.
2:04:34 Speaker 05 I think a 27 year old girl who works at WME got a paycheck for selling that photo.
2:04:39 Speaker 00 But it's possible that this has nothing to do with this at all. It's possible that's not even Ciara.
2:04:45 Speaker 05 What do you mean by that?
2:04:46 Speaker 00 I'm just saying.
2:04:46 Speaker 05 Are you introducing psyops?
2:04:47 Speaker 00 I'm just saying. It's possible it's AI. It's possible it's anything. If we don't have the dates to this, it just looks like a moment where she's in despair and then we're applying it to this situation. It could have nothing to do with it.
2:04:57 Mark Gagnon? And who's the dude consoling her?
2:04:58 Speaker 00 Exactly.
2:04:59 Speaker 05 That I don't know. He looks like a gay older gentleman.
2:05:02 Speaker 00 Or he's playing the West game. And that's about to be the next fuckboy that she falls for.
2:05:07 Speaker 05 I think ABC is silly to not make Ciara the Bachelor. Meanwhile-
2:05:10 Speaker 00 Ooh!
2:05:11 Speaker 05 She would never do that. I think she's too good for it, honestly. Like, I don't think she would want to do it.
2:05:17 Speaker 02 So adorable.
2:05:18 Speaker 00 She went on Traders. She'll go on the best for that.
2:05:20 Speaker 02 Traders is actually a high level. Traders is actually a good test. It's like complex and it's like, it's like chess, basically. You're basically one. It is. It's Traders is like a high level television. It's not, it's not in reality. Right? It's not reality TV. And those people are actually backstabbing each other. Like in Traders, like they're actually shocked, you know? Like it actually like you can see the despair on their face.
2:05:42 Speaker 00 The producers at all, right?
2:05:44 Speaker 02 No, they actually say they don't do producers.
2:05:46 Speaker 00 It really is. Once you like something, you have to make it smart.
2:05:49 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
2:05:50 Speaker 00 That's all it is.
2:05:50 Speaker 02 Traders is smart and then I happen to like it. You have to like get a really high SAT score to understand Traders. Like just in general. Like you have to be like a big brain. I don't know one dumb guy that doesn't.
2:06:00 Speaker 00 Can't we just like stupid shit?
2:06:03 Speaker 02 Traders is like high level. I don't know if I can hang. I don't know if I can handle it.
2:06:06 Speaker 00 No, you're too honest. He doesn't lie.
2:06:08 Speaker 02 They're good.
2:06:08 Speaker 05 There's normal people Traders. It's like easier than the celebrity one. You could like.
2:06:12 Speaker 02 Miles and I played Traders this weekend.
2:06:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, we did.
2:06:15 Speaker 02 Yeah. How do you play it? It's a, it's like a TV game where like you have like your phone and one of you is the murderer and then you have to try to guess who it is based off evidence.
2:06:23 Speaker 05 You guys are giving me shit for watching reality TV? He's playing games about it.
2:06:26 Speaker 02 That's beyond reality. That's like literal the most real.
2:06:28 Speaker 05 You're larping.
2:06:29 Speaker 02 That's IRL reality.
2:06:30 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:06:31 Speaker 02 And Miles was guilty twice in a row and played it off both times.
2:06:34 Speaker 00 Traitors.
2:06:35 Speaker 02 No, I got caught both times. Yeah, if you tried, you tried to lie to all of us. Yeah, I did.
2:06:40 Speaker 00 Is there a moment where Kyle and Wes talk about Amanda?
2:06:44 Speaker 05 Yeah. The most recent episode, which is like August 2nd, 2025. He's saying, hey, bro, don't talk to your wife like that. She's our friend. Like that's the last we see.
2:06:56 Speaker 00 No, I'm talking about after.
2:06:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, we don't.
2:06:58 Speaker 00 Okay.
2:06:58 Speaker 05 We don't know. No, their communications.
2:07:01 Speaker 00 He'd be like, yo, what, you know, bro, treat your wife better because I'm smashing her.
2:07:04 Speaker 05 Yeah. Because I want to fuck her.
2:07:05 Speaker 00 No, he's probably fucking her.
2:07:06 Speaker 02 But also doesn't he benefit if he treats her worse? Like, is then she needs him more?
2:07:10 Speaker 05 Ding ding ding ding ding.
2:07:11 Speaker 02 It's like kind of a munchausen situation, right? So he's like
2:07:14 Speaker 00 The more vulnerable she is.
2:07:15 Speaker 05 That would be truly evil.
2:07:17 Speaker 00 Isolated she is. Well, I imagine you think Wes is truly evil.
2:07:20 Speaker 05 I don't think he's truly evil. I think he just wants everything in front of him, which is both of these women.
2:07:25 Speaker 00 So
2:07:25 Speaker 05 In this season, one is married, one is kind of doesn't trust him.
2:07:29 Speaker 00 He's constantly seeking validation.
2:07:31 Speaker 05 Yes, he's an insecure man as well.
2:07:32 Speaker 00 He validates himself through women instead of art.
2:07:36 Speaker 05 Yes, unless you call sports journalism art.
2:07:39 Speaker 00 Well, no, there's, there's an art to journalism.
2:07:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, there is.
2:07:41 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:07:42 Speaker 02 There are.
2:07:42 Speaker 05 I've actually never read his work. I don't know what it's about at all.
2:07:45 Speaker 02 We should bring up an article.
2:07:46 Speaker 00 Yeah, I would love that. I mean, clearly the guy's got away with words, right? He's able to.
2:07:51 Speaker 05 He's a charmer.
2:07:52 Speaker 00 Yeah, he must be charming.
2:07:53 Speaker 05 He's charming.
2:07:54 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:07:55 Speaker 02 Right?
2:07:55 Speaker 05 Never trust an adult blonde.
2:07:59 Speaker 05 It's not good. It's not a good idea.
2:08:01 Speaker 02 That's an interesting point.
2:08:02 Speaker 00 A blonde male?
2:08:03 Speaker 05 They're both adult blondes.
2:08:04 Speaker 00 You don't see a lot of adult blondes, huh? Like male blondes?
2:08:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:08:09 Speaker 00 Why is that?
2:08:10 Speaker 05 They're dangerous.
2:08:11 Speaker 00 Why is that?
2:08:12 Speaker 02 Do their hair like it starts to get darker when you get older, right?
2:08:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:08:15 Speaker 02 We're all living in Sweden is probably part of it.
2:08:17 Speaker 05 Their evil keeps the blonde alive.
2:08:19 Speaker 00 Yo, were the people in jail with you in Sweden brown haired? Is that how they?
2:08:27 Speaker 02 They disproportionately do lock up brown.
2:08:28 Speaker 00 Do they disproportionately lock up the brown haired people in Sweden? Cause that's all they have.
2:08:35 Speaker 00 Were there any like super blue eyed blonde haired like Aryan dudes in jail with you?
2:08:39 Speaker 02 There's actually two.
2:08:40 Speaker 00 Really?
2:08:41 Speaker 02 I think they're Russian though.
2:08:42 Speaker 00 Oh, okay.
2:08:44 Speaker 02 Damn.
2:08:45 Speaker 00 Okay, so then what?
2:08:46 Speaker 02 These are your neighbors. You've never seen these people?
2:08:48 Speaker 00 I've never seen one of them out.
2:08:50 Speaker 05 These are your neighbors out there and probably in the city as well.
2:08:52 Speaker 00 Where's the house?
2:08:54 Speaker 05 The house is in Hampton Bays? Watermill? I don't know.
2:08:58 Speaker 00 Well, those are very different.
2:08:59 Speaker 05 Very different places.
2:09:00 Speaker 00 Very different places. Look at where the house is.
2:09:02 Speaker 05 Yeah. Joey, I'm curious where the house is. They're also like getting a new one for the next season.
2:09:06 Speaker 00 I saw that this one's on sale.
2:09:08 Speaker 05 It's on sale. Yeah. Can we buy it? Flagrant Content House?
2:09:11 Speaker 00 Flagrant Content House. We take the old.
2:09:13 Speaker 05 Is that East Hampton?
2:09:14 Speaker 00 Water, no, Watermill is like right before Bridge Hampton. Beautiful area.
2:09:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's a beautiful house. They have a great time at the house.
2:09:21 Speaker 00 Summer House. Wow. I can't believe I'd never heard of this fucking show.
2:09:24 Speaker 02 Is anyone good?
2:09:25 Speaker 05 But your wife watches it?
2:09:26 Speaker 00 Oh, no, she never watched it. She only watched The Housewives and last night I go home and as I get into bed.
2:09:31 Speaker 05 Uh huh.
2:09:32 Speaker 00 It's on.
2:09:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, cuz it's tantalizing. There's so much like, I mean, you guys should tune in. Tell me if you think they're fucking.
2:09:39 Speaker 00 Paige is still on the show?
2:09:40 Speaker 05 No, Paige is laughing all the way to the fucking bank, and I'll tell you why. Last season was her last Summer House season, and she broke up with her boyfriend, who's also on Southern Charm. That's a different franchise. And their Southern Charm drama is also very good, and Craig is just like crashing out. So Paige left Summer House and left her loser ass Southern Charm boyfriend, and she just did a collab with Courtney Kardashian. She's honestly really cool and awesome.
2:10:04 Speaker 00 So is there a way to be successful on this show and not be? What do you, how would you define these people?
2:10:14 Speaker 05 I would say Paige is like the only case because Hannah Berner did crash out really bad on Summer House.
2:10:19 Speaker 00 She crashed out?
2:10:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, it was like, I think if you're gonna go on the show, you're probably gonna be embarrassed.
2:10:24 Speaker 02 But they mentally torture them. They keep them up all night and give them alcohol.
2:10:28 Speaker 05 Does that sound like torture to you?
2:10:31 Mark Gagnon? Hazing.
2:10:32 Speaker 00 Kinda does. Kinda sounds like this.
2:10:36 Speaker 05 Professional in New York who had no access to the Hamptons.
2:10:40 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:10:40 Speaker 05 Here's a fun share house. We have day parties on Saturdays.
2:10:43 Speaker 00 Oh, completely on paper.
2:10:45 Speaker 05 You see how it sounds fun.
2:10:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, I get why they do it.
2:10:48 Mark Gagnon? Paternity hazing.
2:10:49 Speaker 02 Hey, you wanna join our friend group?
2:10:51 Speaker 05 You might as well just love it. You talk about it fondly. So like.
2:10:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, but it wasn't filmed. It wasn't put on TV.
2:10:56 Speaker 05 Not that you know.
2:10:57 Speaker 02 That's a good point.
2:10:59 Speaker 00 It being monetized by another entity.
2:11:01 Speaker 05 Well, they're also getting a paycheck.
2:11:02 Speaker 00 It's a tricky one.
2:11:03 Speaker 05 From Andy.
2:11:03 Speaker 00 But not good enough where you can quit your job. No, I think that, I think Andy Cohen was the only guy that got people to watch regular TV when everything went to streaming. Like, that's how compelling these shows.
2:11:14 Speaker 05 And also Peacock is the most usable streamer. I love it.
2:11:17 Speaker 00 Now, what's the difference between Dr. Phil and Andy Cohen?
2:11:21 Speaker 05 Wow, okay. Dr. Phil, in my memory, kind of capitalized more on people's like mental illness and like poverty.
2:11:30 Speaker 00 I mean.
2:11:34 Mark Gagnon? Mari Povich.
2:11:37 Speaker 00 Yeah, like.
2:11:42 Speaker 00 What? I'm gonna go to the bathroom and just work that. That out. I'll be right back.
2:11:47 Mark Gagnon? I'll be right back.
2:11:48 Speaker 05 Do you, okay. Andy Cohen deals with more like aspirational, like former actresses. Like it's not like, sorry, someone with like a mental disability, you fighting with their, isn't that what Dr. Phil was?
2:12:00 Speaker 03 Who's more successful off of these shows? Catch Me Outside Girl? Or the highest earner of Summer House?
2:12:07 Mark Gagnon? Catch Me Outside.
2:12:07 Speaker 03 Catch Me Outside Girl.
2:12:08 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:12:09 Speaker 03 I think Dr. Phil hits a higher clip.
2:12:10 Mark Gagnon? Catch Me Outside Girl is rich right now.
2:12:13 Speaker 03 Mm hmm. What was her name?
2:12:15 Speaker 05 She scares me.
2:12:16 Mark Gagnon? She just made like fucking eight mil off of OnlyFans or some shit like that.
2:12:19 Speaker 05 But that's one case. Like Andy Cohen has so many people who've come out of.
2:12:24 Speaker 03 Andy Burgoli has a net worth of thirty five to fifty mil.
2:12:28 Mark Gagnon? Wow.
2:12:28 Speaker 05 For what?
2:12:29 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, exactly.
2:12:30 Speaker 03 OnlyFans.
2:12:31 Mark Gagnon? So shout out.
2:12:32 Speaker 05 Okay, that's porn. That's different.
2:12:33 Mark Gagnon? He's doing the law work.
2:12:35 Speaker 03 That's sex work. But.
2:12:37 Speaker 05 Okay.
2:12:37 Mark Gagnon? All this profession.
2:12:38 Speaker 05 Woke podcast.
2:12:39 Mark Gagnon? All this profession.
2:12:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, oldest profession, unfortunately.
2:12:41 Mark Gagnon? Yep.
2:12:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, unfortunately.
2:12:43 Speaker 03 So when does the new season come out?
2:12:45 Speaker 05 We're watching it.
2:12:46 Mark Gagnon? The new season's on. Have you been listed in?
2:12:49 Speaker 03 So this happens over Summer of twenty five. It comes out now. And what happens Summer of twenty six will come out next year?
2:12:55 Mark Gagnon? Yes.
2:12:55 Speaker 05 Yes, but you're forgetting we're still looking forward to a reunion where they will all sit on a couch like this with Andy Cohen in the middle. And they will talk about the themes. They'll talk about, did you watch it? How do you feel? And I'm like, how is Amanda gonna even show up there? And will, okay, that's the other thing about Andy Cohen.
2:13:10 Mark Gagnon? Shame to go on the show.
2:13:12 Speaker 05 You can't, if, if you want to come back the next year and if you want to get your final paycheck, you have to go to the reunion. Those are Andy Cohen rules.
2:13:19 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:13:19 Speaker 05 It keeps them like, kind of.
2:13:20 Mark Gagnon? You're saying that she wouldn't go on the most watched TV show that the.
2:13:25 Speaker 03 You're saying Andy Cohen holds money.
2:13:26 Speaker 05 So people can call her a white devil? I don't think that sounds.
2:13:29 Speaker 00 Care. They want attention, Alex. They'll do anything for it. They found something where they get to party in the Hamptons and get the attention. They would do anything for the attention. These people are as mentally ill as the people that go on Dr. Phil, maybe more.
2:13:46 Speaker 05 More?
2:13:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, because at least Dr. Phil, they're kids.
2:13:51 Speaker 02 These are grown adults that should know better and still choose to do it. And it doesn't mean it's not fun and entertaining. Watch.
2:13:57 Speaker 05 I have an interesting.
2:13:59 Speaker 02 Yes.
2:14:00 Speaker 05 Response to that.
2:14:00 Speaker 02 Please, please, please, please, please.
2:14:02 Speaker 05 The way that the attention economy has shifted, now you're basically, it's a race to get followers if you want a career as a.
2:14:10 Speaker 02 Cause you can monetize the followers, right?
2:14:11 Speaker 05 Absolutely. Like, that's what they're up to. And there are no, sorry, scripted talking head shows anymore. There is no guy code to like, put you on. This is their confessional. This is their talking head show. That's what's available now.
2:14:22 Speaker 02 The whole thing is evil. This culture is sick. We're in end stages.
2:14:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, but don't blame the.
2:14:26 Speaker 02 No, what I would say is that there are other ways that you can get on. Like, there are tons of people making really cool, creative content online. Yeah, that don't have followers. No, and there are people that are making creative, fun content online that do have followers. Yeah. Like, the Drusky sketch is like fun, creative content online. And it got tons of views, way more views.
2:14:42 Speaker 05 Well, how did Drusky first get famous?
2:14:44 Speaker 02 By doing.
2:14:47 Speaker 05 Was it always sketch? Or was it like vlogging? You're like?
2:14:50 Speaker 02 I think it was only sketches. Only sketches. To me, sketch is what I remember.
2:14:53 Speaker 05 Fifty had to tell me who he was, like, a year ago.
2:14:55 Speaker 02 Sure, it's not gonna fit in like every, but he's objectively massive. So like, the idea that you can't make it through art, I think is. Yeah.
2:15:03 Speaker 05 Sure. But like, this is a really easy way to do it.
2:15:07 Speaker 02 Well, yeah, if you don't have art, then you gotta do it. And the easy way is not always the best way. And just having influencers doesn't make your seltzer brand work. Hmm.
2:15:17 Speaker 05 Yeah, no one.
2:15:18 Speaker 02 Cause they don't really want a seltzer brand. They wanna monetize fame. And you can't make enough money on the show. CQG is a good way. Exactly. Same thing. But Hannah can do stand-up. So Hannah left, starts doing stand-up, and she's like, yeah. And she blows the fuck up. Yeah. Cause she has an art.
2:15:33 Speaker 05 Yes.
2:15:34 Speaker 02 And that's way better.
2:15:36 Speaker 05 I guess I don't see that, like, they can't do art if they're on this show.
2:15:39 Speaker 02 They might be able to do art, but it seems so far from what you're explaining. They all might be artists.
2:15:44 Speaker 05 I just have empathy as like, a person in their twenties in the city with no access to the Hamptons, like, fuck yeah, give me a ticket out. You know what I mean?
2:15:52 Speaker 02 I don't begrudge anybody for wanting to go there.
2:15:54 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:15:54 Speaker 02 But there's a price that you pay for doing it, right? So the price here is like, the whole world is gonna watch this emotional turmoil.
2:16:00 Speaker 05 Hannah.
2:16:01 Speaker 02 I have empathy for, for them that are going through that. Like, that must be really tough. And also must be really tough to be like, fuck, I still want the attention, and I still feel like I need the fans, and I still need these things, so I'm gonna have to submit this, myself, to something that's.
2:16:14 Speaker 00 It's gonna make me miserable.
2:16:15 Mark Gagnon? I have zero empathy for that. We're adults and they're choosing to do it.
2:16:18 Speaker 00 Yeah, but sometimes.
2:16:18 Mark Gagnon? You know what you sign up for.
2:16:19 Speaker 00 Yeah, but sometimes.
2:16:20 Speaker 02 You kinda know. I think you get sold a bill of goods. Like you'll party at the Hamptons and find love and have fun.
2:16:24 Mark Gagnon? We've seen reality TV.
2:16:25 Speaker 02 But you don't know it's gonna be that bad till it happens to you.
2:16:27 Speaker 05 I agree.
2:16:28 Mark Gagnon? You think like, oh. How many times do we have to see the same thing over? Like every reality TV show.
2:16:33 Speaker 00 That's fair.
2:16:34 Speaker 05 This feels something of the level of the life we've never seen.
2:16:36 Speaker 02 Because like they meet a pimp and they're like, oh, maybe I'll just do it for like a weekend. Maybe I'll strip and then the pimp takes advantage of them and they get exploited. So like these cycles of abuse continue to go on. Obviously, this is.
2:16:45 Speaker 05 Men tend to be manipulated.
2:16:46 Mark Gagnon? Happens like under wraps. Like you don't see it. It's not filmed, put on TV.
2:16:51 Speaker 05 I mean, I get the metaphor you're.
2:16:53 Speaker 02 But people know.
2:16:54 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, there's enough content out there that sex work generally doesn't, you know what I mean?
2:16:57 Speaker 02 People understand the cycle of exploitation, but yet they still do it because people continue to make the same mistakes. Cause we're fallen people. All right? This is all the original sin.
2:17:03 Speaker 05 And here's the guy selling you a way out.
2:17:05 Speaker 02 So many people like, you know, there's so many like people that want to make it in Hollywood. And then there are like shitty producers that would take advantage of that desire to go make something with them, what their lives and like. Why can that not be also true in this situation? If it can happen to like some of the most famous actors in history, why would it not happen to reality stars?
2:17:21 Mark Gagnon? I get it. I just think that reality, we know the producers are trying to make as much drama as possible. And so it's like.
2:17:28 Speaker 00 What I would say about reality.
2:17:30 Mark Gagnon? Risk.
2:17:30 Speaker 00 What I would say about reality is that like now I think that we've, we're seeing more than ever. Is that like people are going on it for opportunity. Like if you ever watched like The Bachelor, The Bachelorette now. All the people on the show, they're not going to find love.
2:17:43 Speaker 05 They're here for the wrong reasons.
2:17:44 Speaker 00 Right, right.
2:17:45 Speaker 05 That's something they say on that show.
2:17:46 Speaker 00 Exactly. And like they're performing and they're living up to like archetypes for the show. Like I'm gonna be bad guy. I'm gonna be sweet guy. I'm gonna be supportive and like. It's almost to the point where like now the show is satirizing itself because it's too self-aware. So to Alex's point, all these people know what they're getting into. They grew up watching these shows. They know what characters. Characters thrive on these shows. They know what characters get no attention on the shows. And you don't want to be someone who's on it without any attention.
2:18:14 Speaker 05 Let Taylor Frankie Paul be the Bachelorette. We want to see it.
2:18:18 Speaker 00 Yo, look, man.
2:18:21 Speaker 05 They're so stupid for taking it away from us.
2:18:23 Speaker 00 If that kid wasn't in the video, she's still the.
2:18:25 Speaker 05 I actually, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to see a kid get hit.
2:18:29 Speaker 00 It's disturbing. I don't know if the kid got hit. I don't know if the kid got hit.
2:18:32 Speaker 02 If I can't listen to Kanye, we can't have Taylor Frankie Paul. Like, this is crazy.
2:18:37 Speaker 00 He's like, hey, if I don't watch it, it didn't happen.
2:18:40 Speaker 05 How many football players still play when they hit their wives?
2:18:44 Speaker 00 Because they have an art.
2:18:46 Speaker 00 I hate to, I hate to bring it, Kanye has an art, and that's why he's able to do fucking.
2:18:50 Speaker 05 Football's not art.
2:18:51 Speaker 00 Football's an art.
2:18:52 Speaker 05 Is it?
2:18:53 Speaker 00 Is ballet an art?
2:18:54 Speaker 05 Yes, football's not ballet.
2:18:56 Speaker 00 How is it not?
2:18:58 Speaker 05 Just like smash heads.
2:19:00 Speaker 00 Oh, my God.
2:19:01 Speaker 05 Rain scramble.
2:19:03 Speaker 00 What is ballet? Vomit?
2:19:08 Speaker 00 Stand on my tibbito.
2:19:11 Speaker 05 Have you considered it's also pink?
2:19:13 Speaker 00 Also that is a very.
2:19:15 Speaker 05 And that makes more art.
2:19:16 Speaker 00 Football is pink in October. Breast cancer awareness. But my, I guess my point is that like, if you have things that there's an intangible skill attached to it, then you kind of get away with it. I don't think you should.
2:19:28 Speaker 05 These people are monetizing a skill and being like funny, honestly, like situational, like Paige is just like charming as fuck her whole time in the house.
2:19:35 Speaker 00 Yeah, maybe that's why she was so unique and able to.
2:19:38 Speaker 05 Launch.
2:19:39 Speaker 00 To launch. Whereas I think most people are funny because they're unaware of how absolutely absurd they're acting in front of a camera.
2:19:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:19:45 Speaker 00 And we all get to watch it like, what the fuck am I saying? Like, watching those The Mormon Wife shit is insanity.
2:19:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, that show's actually too dark. It's, I can't.
2:19:53 Speaker 00 Sad a little bit.
2:19:54 Speaker 05 It's sad.
2:19:55 Speaker 00 But we watch it. We watch the, what is Intervention? When I was growing up, that was our version of like, you're seeing someone's life fall apart and their family members come around to try to save them. And you watch an episode, you're like, my life ain't that bad.
2:20:05 Speaker 05 So let me tell you, I think Summer House is, I feel, I don't have that like icky feeling watching it because it's like, oh, they're 30, they're hot, it'll be fine.
2:20:14 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:20:14 Speaker 05 Versus like an Intervention is like, ugh.
2:20:16 Speaker 00 That is the most extreme.
2:20:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:20:18 Speaker 00 But I agree with you. We don't. It's actually the perfect.
2:20:20 Speaker 05 But that's the difference with like Dr. Phil is like Dr. Phil, I got that icky feeling.
2:20:25 Speaker 00 You get a little icky feeling. I don't think we should feel icky about it. It's like the perfect disgrace like.
2:20:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, this is fine. This one is fine.
2:20:30 Speaker 00 This is what Americans need right now, by the way.
2:20:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:20:32 Speaker 00 We want to escape. The reason this is so big is because Americans like, I don't want to think about the news. I don't want to think about the war. I don't want to think about anything.
2:20:38 Speaker 05 Absolutely.
2:20:38 Speaker 00 Give me emotional drama and I'll just focus my attention over there.
2:20:41 Mark Gagnon? This is just older people's I R L streamers.
2:20:44 Speaker 00 Exactly. Like there's no difference in speed and fucking, you know.
2:20:48 Mark Gagnon? It's the same exact.
2:20:49 Speaker 00 Clavicular.
2:20:49 Mark Gagnon? It's literally the same.
2:20:50 Speaker 05 I don't know a ton about streaming because I'm locked in on this.
2:20:53 Speaker 00 This is streaming.
2:20:54 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, they just go and live their life. People are watching and live their life. And then drama happens.
2:20:58 Speaker 00 It's a blog.
2:20:59 Speaker 05 But but also I think, I don't know how streaming works, but this is interesting and that like the time away from the camera is also tea. Like we're wondering what they.
2:21:09 Speaker 00 This is a, this is a testament to the investment that the audience has in it. Like you've built up the relationships with these people, which is like no different than a podcast.
2:21:17 Speaker 05 Completely personal. Like I think Sierra is my best friend. That's concerning.
2:21:20 Speaker 00 That's, that's the power of this and that's why Cohen's brilliant. And I'm sure the editors are editing it so you empathize with her.
2:21:29 Speaker 05 Well, that's the other thing. While this season is still airing, it's like the episodes we still have to watch. Are they going back and re-editing them? Are they giving us more of them flirting?
2:21:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:21:38 Speaker 05 Who knows?
2:21:39 Mark Gagnon? Because the whole thing's filmed before they put it out.
2:21:41 Speaker 05 Yeah. And they have no control in the edit.
2:21:44 Speaker 00 Yeah. You ever watched that Formula One?
2:21:46 Mark Gagnon? Drive to Survive.
2:21:47 Speaker 00 Drive to Survive.
2:21:47 Speaker 05 I meant to. I didn't.
2:21:48 Speaker 00 It comes out way after the season, right? So you already know who wins, but they figure out all the drama.
2:21:55 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
2:21:55 Speaker 00 And then they edit for the drama.
2:21:58 Speaker 05 Around it.
2:21:58 Speaker 00 And it's awesome.
2:21:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:21:59 Speaker 00 Because that's kind of what we want. We know that wrestling is, the answer is already written.
2:22:04 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
2:22:04 Speaker 00 But toy with us as we get there. That's this.
2:22:09 Speaker 05 But it's better than wrestling.
2:22:13 Speaker 00 For you.
2:22:14 Speaker 05 Yes.
2:22:15 Speaker 00 Until they're selling out stadiums, I don't know if it's better. Ooh, they might be able to.
2:22:20 Speaker 05 They're selling out stadiums like in the house.
2:22:22 Speaker 00 They could sell out a stadium.
2:22:24 Speaker 05 Of the reunion.
2:22:25 Speaker 00 That's what I guess.
2:22:26 Speaker 05 They should absolutely.
2:22:27 Speaker 00 Agreed.
2:22:28 Speaker 05 They should sell tickets to the reunion.
2:22:29 Speaker 00 They should. MSG. Nah, you can't though. Why, why, why? You gotta control the edit. Cause you gotta control the edit. Yeah, it's not scripted. No, no, no, the reunion is live, right?
2:22:38 Speaker 05 They like film it in one go.
2:22:40 Speaker 00 But then they chop it down. Oh, I thought it was live.
2:22:43 Speaker 03 reunion is live. Like you watch like Survivor.
2:22:45 Speaker 05 It's as close to live, I will say.
2:22:47 Speaker 03 Day of, it's six months after.
2:22:49 Speaker 05 With the reunion.
2:22:50 Speaker 00 Cursing and all that, go, go, sorry.
2:22:52 Speaker 05 It's pretty much just like one show, they just like film it, but if people get heated, they take a break, they might not come back. Like they might go to their trailer and then, and that's part of it, they fall, they bring a camera and they're like, I don't want to go back. Like they're fucking with me and it's like, that's funny.
2:23:05 Speaker 03 It's uh, it's not open to the public or ticketed seating.
2:23:08 Speaker 05 No, of course not.
2:23:10 Speaker 00 Hmm, I gotta watch it. When is the reunion?
2:23:12 Speaker 05 When is the reunion? I don't know, but it's gonna be the biggest night in America.
2:23:16 Speaker 00 Are we?
2:23:18 Speaker 05 It is.
2:23:19 Speaker 00 Trump tweeted about it today. He said 8pm. Yeah, 8pm.
2:23:24 Speaker 05 America has to go on past 8pm tonight so we can watch.
2:23:28 Speaker 00 Is it possible that there are some leaders of the IRGC right now watching Summer House? And they're like, we can't start a new show. Daughter was posted with a green card in Miami. You're right. There's a hundred percent chance she saw us and she's probably Team Sierra.
2:23:41 Speaker 05 Rihanna and Jon Hamm are like the two biggest people who have spoken on this, but I think this is just showing that everyone's watching Bravo.
2:23:48 Speaker 00 Well, that's the thing. I've seen a lot of celebrities uh, take pictures and like hang out with the housewives or the Mormon wives or whatever.
2:23:57 Speaker 05 And honestly became a conflict of interest on one of the pods I listened to and that like the hosts are like friends with Amanda and Kyle. And they're like, oh, we shouldn't like talk about our friends breakup. Like that's Paige and Hannah were pretty.
2:24:08 Speaker 00 And or celebrities who also like the attention could just be jumping on this wave and pretending that they're big fans of the show.
2:24:15 Speaker 05 Fucking attention? I think she's invested. She's your friend, you would know.
2:24:20 Speaker 00 Either way, I'm like, I'm not shocked Rihanna likes it.
2:24:22 Speaker 05 No, me either.
2:24:23 Speaker 00 We shouldn't be shocked that we all like this. This is like at its core, what's most interesting.
2:24:27 Speaker 05 Insisting on talking down on it.
2:24:30 Speaker 00 Let me think if I'm talking down. Let me think if I'm talking down on it. I think that like.
2:24:38 Speaker 02 You're talking down to the reaction.
2:24:39 Speaker 05 Can I tell you, I also used to think like, hold on.
2:24:43 Speaker 00 I don't think, I think that there's trashy aspects to everything. I mean, earlier this episode, we talked about Mark being so handsome that I was gonna buttfuck him.
2:24:53 Speaker 05 This is a gay ass podcast.
2:24:55 Speaker 02 Well, you did say that.
2:24:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, I did.
2:24:57 Speaker 02 And my nephew watches this.
2:24:58 Speaker 00 Yo.
2:24:59 Mark Gagnon? And now he takes heroin to get skinny, so it's like.
2:25:01 Speaker 02 Got it.
2:25:02 Speaker 05 Are you on that?
2:25:02 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:25:03 Speaker 05 What? Heroin?
2:25:04 Mark Gagnon? He's on that.
2:25:05 Speaker 02 The HLP one?
2:25:07 Speaker 00 The HLP one? So like, yeah, not everything has to be high art, but I think we can look at certain things and be like, oh, this is a little bit, um. What is it like when you're taking advantage of people? What is that? Or taking advantage of people that, that like specifically are mentally ill.
2:25:24 Speaker 05 Like predatory.
2:25:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, you could say like, there's predatory aspects to it. Now, that doesn't mean that we're not gonna fucking watch it. We love watching predatory shit. We watch the NFL and they're giving each other CTE nonstop. Now they're signing up to get the CTE. Because you hurt yourself and sign up, well then ballet is an art.
2:25:44 Speaker 00 At ballet, I mean, if you know ballerinas, like their bodies get absolutely destroyed.
2:25:47 Speaker 05 No, I do know that.
2:25:49 Speaker 00 So I don't think just because your body gets destroyed.
2:25:51 Speaker 05 But that's just a personal thing.
2:25:52 Speaker 00 Well, yeah, but something's boring doesn't make it not art. Every play I go watch is boring.
2:25:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, Ross, Roscoe's kinda boring.
2:25:57 Speaker 05 But also like, sports are different than art. Those are different things.
2:26:00 Speaker 00 Sure. Yes, they are different than art. Sure.
2:26:03 Speaker 05 You're talking about like societal value.
2:26:04 Speaker 00 I'm talking about skill based. There's like a skill.
2:26:07 Speaker 05 I think the biggest takeaway from all this is go home and watch this with your girl.
2:26:13 Speaker 00 Oh, hell yeah.
2:26:14 Speaker 05 Like, this is just an easy thing to like do, and it's interesting.
2:26:17 Speaker 00 Watching judge, like that's what we watch, we watch fucking.
2:26:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, totally.
2:26:20 Speaker 00 Maybe that's more than my perspective. It's like, I'm allowed to judge it. That's why we're watching it, so we can judge people.
2:26:24 Speaker 05 And I love watching Bravo because you can like talk over it. This is like perfect, like, oh, pull out my phone, he gives me.
2:26:29 Speaker 00 Yes.
2:26:30 Speaker 05 Like, this is truly double screen watching. I don't feel weird about it.
2:26:34 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:26:34 Speaker 05 Like, when I'm watching something scripted, I don't wanna be on my phone, like someone made this.
2:26:38 Speaker 00 They're narrative.
2:26:40 Speaker 05 You might, one shot might be like so informative. This is not that. This is just like.
2:26:45 Speaker 00 Perfect distraction TV. And maybe it's at the level where it's not so predatory that we can enjoy it. Whereas Dr. Phil passes predatory nature and you're like.
2:26:54 Mark Gagnon? These people are well paid, they're rich, they're in the Hamptons.
2:26:56 Speaker 05 Like Mormon wives is so dark. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills has been really dark this season and it's like, ugh. But this is so like, you got the future ahead of you.
2:27:03 Speaker 00 Perfect amount of dark. It's, the stakes are just high enough where we're like, I'm invested. But if, there's not like children involved who are getting torn apart. So you don't feel bad. That's, maybe that's why this is so exciting. It's like, I want something that I can just get distracted with, but I don't feel bad after watching.
2:27:20 Speaker 05 And what Amanda just did to Ciara is something like so rarely seen in the wild.
2:27:24 Speaker 00 Girls doing that to other girls?
2:27:26 Speaker 05 Yeah, like I think you grow out of that by 21.
2:27:29 Speaker 00 I have a different theory on this and we spoke about this yesterday.
2:27:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, I don't agree with you.
2:27:34 Speaker 00 I think girls, when they're in their 30s, every guy's fair game.
2:27:40 Speaker 00 I think when they feel that clock ticking, they're like, I got it, I gotta settle down. Single women in their 30s, every guy's fair game.
2:27:46 Speaker 05 And married?
2:27:47 Speaker 00 But they're breaking up, so you're not married.
2:27:50 Speaker 05 But this is starting.
2:27:51 Speaker 00 It might not be the right guy, but I think in her head, she's like, do I want to have kids? Do I want to be married? Do I not want to be alone?
2:27:58 Speaker 05 Ugh, kids with West, disgusting.
2:28:00 Speaker 00 Fair enough, but you know, she wouldn't be the first person to choose the wrong guy to have kids with.
2:28:04 Speaker 05 Of course.
2:28:06 Speaker 00 That's what I'm saying, women, when they get into their 30s, it's like, do I not start a relationship with that guy that my friend hooked up with 10 years ago? This is really new, but 10 years ago, even though I kind of like him and he checks all the boxes.
2:28:17 Speaker 05 10 years ago is, is something different. It's every case you like go to your friend and be like, what's up? But honestly, if I'm at the bar and I'm vibing with someone that I know has like done my friend wrong, it's psychologically impossible for me to catch a vibe.
2:28:30 Speaker 00 I could never do it.
2:28:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:28:31 Mark Gagnon? I think if West was like well off, then that's something that's typical in women in their 30s. But to fuck over your friend for a fuck boy?
2:28:42 Speaker 00 That's, we haven't seen that. I think that's a great point.
2:28:45 Speaker 05 That is a great point.
2:28:45 Speaker 00 For a potential future?
2:28:47 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:28:47 Speaker 00 All of a sudden, people start to go, ooh.
2:28:49 Mark Gagnon? It's like, oh, okay, I can understand. It's not a nice move, but at least I can understand.
2:28:52 Speaker 05 There's no economic incentive to be with West.
2:28:54 Speaker 00 Not even economic, but like a future incentive.
2:28:56 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:28:56 Speaker 00 Like you're telling me the guy's not going to take her serious. So now she's like fucking over her friend for a guy's going to fuck over her.
2:29:01 Speaker 05 If he does take her serious, it's just a fuck you to Ciara.
2:29:04 Speaker 00 She is horrible.
2:29:06 Mark Gagnon? Who, Amanda?
2:29:06 Speaker 00 Yeah, Amanda's horrible.
2:29:08 Speaker 05 So. I I hope she can learn from this and like just leave West and like become a better person.
2:29:13 Mark Gagnon? Put these on her too. Put it on her too, yeah.
2:29:16 Speaker 00 What about, uh, what do the bikinis look like?
2:29:19 Speaker 05 I don't know.
2:29:19 Speaker 02 Should we look at that?
2:29:20 Speaker 00 I don't know. I mean, that's crazy.
2:29:24 Mark Gagnon? Why'd you just go?
2:29:25 Speaker 00 The influencer, no, I'm just saying like the influencer economy doesn't work like it worked for a little bit where like.
2:29:30 Speaker 05 Oh, it's so saturated.
2:29:31 Speaker 00 But it's done.
2:29:31 Speaker 05 I have two people I trust. For like specific things.
2:29:34 Mark Gagnon? Oh, okay.
2:29:35 Speaker 00 Like what?
2:29:36 Mark Gagnon? That was a good goddamn or a bad goddamn?
2:29:37 Speaker 05 Uh, this girl like 10 years ago got on YouTube. Her name is Makeup by Mandy 24. She taught me how to do makeup 10 years ago. I've never like gone to someone else for it.
2:29:44 Speaker 00 Does she do, does she have like her own brand of makeup?
2:29:47 Speaker 05 I think she had now like does content and like drives Range Rover and like has a whole life, but it's like she serves her purpose.
2:29:52 Mark Gagnon? This is, is this Amanda?
2:29:55 Speaker 05 That's Amanda on the right.
2:29:56 Speaker 02 She models her own stuff.
2:29:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, these are.
2:29:57 Mark Gagnon? We might have got it all wrong.
2:29:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, I might, I might be team Amanda.
2:30:04 Mark Gagnon? I have to say, I think.
2:30:06 Speaker 05 They're all hot.
2:30:07 Mark Gagnon? We didn't do enough research before we started talking about this.
2:30:11 Speaker 00 I'm an happily married man, dude. I don't know what to tell you.
2:30:13 Mark Gagnon? Same, same, same.
2:30:14 Speaker 05 Also, like getting off of e-commerce is like pretty lame.
2:30:17 Speaker 00 No, that's all we had.
2:30:19 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, that's a start.
2:30:20 Speaker 00 Sears catalog was the go to.
2:30:21 Speaker 02 You get the Victoria's Secret magazine back in the house.
2:30:24 Speaker 00 Oh, that was a luxury.
2:30:25 Mark Gagnon? Bro.
2:30:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's, I'm, that's crazy.
2:30:27 Mark Gagnon? These were illustrated.
2:30:28 Speaker 05 How did you get that as an only child?
2:30:30 Speaker 02 My mom worked a salon, so I'd steal them out the ba- uh, baskets.
2:30:33 Speaker 00 That's good.
2:30:33 Mark Gagnon? National geographic.
2:30:34 Speaker 02 Guinness Book of World Records was photographed.
2:30:36 Mark Gagnon? I didn't say that.
2:30:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's a good one.
2:30:38 Speaker 05 And what?
2:30:39 Speaker 02 Trust me.
2:30:39 Speaker 00 Who was it?
2:30:40 Speaker 05 Who is it?
2:30:40 Speaker 02 It was just some hot girl back in like 2001.
2:30:43 Speaker 00 And you'd catch a lick off.
2:30:45 Speaker 02 Yeah. What, you never got the centerfold of the Guinness Book?
2:30:49 Speaker 05 There's such a generational difference, I feel like, just because of our access to internet. Like I can't, I'm not even just, I have no idea what that would even be like. You can't have anything you want to see at any time.
2:30:58 Speaker 00 This is how old I am. When I see like the amount of attractive, when we were growing up, it felt like there weren't that many unbelievably attractive people.
2:31:09 Mark Gagnon? Hmm.
2:31:09 Speaker 00 It felt like there was like 20.
2:31:11 Mark Gagnon? And you lived in New York City.
2:31:12 Speaker 00 I lived in New York City.
2:31:13 Mark Gagnon? Hmm.
2:31:14 Speaker 00 Now on Instagram, it's like every time you scroll, like there's another person that you're like, oh my God, like these people just exist in the wild.
2:31:21 Speaker 05 Contributes to his inability to commit.
2:31:23 Speaker 00 I think probably a lot of guys.
2:31:24 Mark Gagnon? Society's inability.
2:31:26 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:31:26 Speaker 00 It's.
2:31:27 Speaker 05 All of us, I think we.
2:31:28 Speaker 00 Oh, so he represents all these girls in New York City that are struggling to find a guy who will take them serious because guys feel like there's so many options there. So is he like the villain?
2:31:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, he's, he, we've all dated a West. We've all stayed with a West way too long.
2:31:45 Speaker 00 I see.
2:31:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, who's like still hooking up with other people, but you like him and like you have that strong friendship foundation, but like he's running around on you.
2:31:54 Speaker 00 Not taking it serious.
2:31:55 Mark Gagnon? How old is West?
2:31:57 Speaker 05 West is 30.
2:31:59 Speaker 00 Oh.
2:31:59 Mark Gagnon? Oh, give him some time.
2:32:00 Speaker 05 29.
2:32:01 Speaker 00 Come on.
2:32:01 Mark Gagnon? Come on, come on, come on, come on.
2:32:03 Speaker 00 See now.
2:32:03 Mark Gagnon? That's dumb.
2:32:05 Speaker 00 42 or whatever the other guy was.
2:32:06 Speaker 05 He's 43, she's 34, they're 30.
2:32:10 Mark Gagnon? Son, he's just living.
2:32:12 Speaker 05 That's why Summer House is so fun and indulgent because it's like they will figure it out.
2:32:15 Speaker 00 34 is a tough age for women.
2:32:18 Speaker 05 Is that the expiration date?
2:32:19 Speaker 00 No, it's not, but I think in their head, reality starts to set in at like 35, especially if you're a girl who's like obviously very beautiful and part of her identity is being like a young, beautiful woman.
2:32:30 Mark Gagnon? She's dating a 30 year old fuck boy.
2:32:32 Speaker 05 It's lame. Who already fucked over your friend, you think you're going to be the exception?
2:32:37 Speaker 00 Grow up. But think about it, maybe like you're 34, you're starting to see like the end of that ride as a superhero, essentially, like a beautiful woman that's in their twenties and maybe early 30s, it's like you're like a celebrity essentially. And but now you're 34, you're about to be 35, you're like, uh-oh, what's going on? Who is more validating to find you attractive than a young guy that gets all the girls?
2:33:01 Mark Gagnon? Former college football player. Into the Google search I just saw.
2:33:04 Speaker 00 Like, like, like, you're feeling you're most insecure about your looks and like your identity.
2:33:09 Speaker 05 So lame, cause like what you're saying, it totally makes sense for a single person, but the fact that you've been like married is like.
2:33:14 Speaker 00 Dude, I know, but that's when you're most vulnerable, right after a relationship.
2:33:18 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:33:18 Speaker 00 Don't you feel that way?
2:33:19 Speaker 05 I just like want her to be single and like remember that there are other people in the world.
2:33:23 Speaker 00 Well, we should talk to her.
2:33:25 Speaker 05 We should talk to her.
2:33:26 Speaker 00 Amanda.
2:33:27 Speaker 05 Amanda, why?
2:33:28 Speaker 00 People out there.
2:33:29 Mark Gagnon? Get off the show.
2:33:29 Speaker 00 Go to church.
2:33:30 Mark Gagnon? Wes was just being a thirty year old fuckboy, bro.
2:33:34 Speaker 02 But you're not though, dude.
2:33:35 Speaker 00 I mean, I'm not, but I, yeah. Yeah, go to, yeah, find God.
2:33:40 Speaker 05 Serious?
2:33:40 Speaker 02 Go to church.
2:33:41 Speaker 00 Love your family, homestead, followed by whom? Scroll up real quick.
2:33:45 Mark Gagnon? Oh.
2:33:48 Mark Gagnon? She recorded at WTF before.
2:33:50 Speaker 00 Yeah, a client, friend of the show.
2:33:52 Mark Gagnon? Yo, Al. She has, she has.
2:33:53 Speaker 00 Al is crazy.
2:33:55 Mark Gagnon? I'm too serious, cause she's gang gang.
2:33:57 Speaker 02 He was pretending like he didn't know shit this whole time.
2:34:00 Mark Gagnon? I can be, I can be.
2:34:00 Speaker 00 Al is.
2:34:01 Mark Gagnon? Oh, rev, rev, rev, rev.
2:34:03 Speaker 00 She's gang, she's gang.
2:34:04 Mark Gagnon? On that horse.
2:34:06 Speaker 05 She's.
2:34:08 Mark Gagnon? I like that.
2:34:09 Speaker 00 I'm making all the noises that you can't.
2:34:11 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, thank you, appreciate that.
2:34:12 Speaker 00 Oh, is she a model?
2:34:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's a model and a nurse and an influencer.
2:34:16 Speaker 00 I mean, why, why be on the show?
2:34:19 Speaker 05 She, I think now, the storyline about her like saving up to buy her grandparents' house, like I do think she's probably hitting a level of financial independence that she might not need the show.
2:34:27 Speaker 00 Don't be on the show.
2:34:28 Speaker 05 Anymore.
2:34:29 Speaker 02 Talking about some other girl trash.
2:34:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, but right now she's coming off.
2:34:32 Speaker 02 No, what is that?
2:34:32 Speaker 05 No.
2:34:33 Speaker 02 Have you heard of this book?
2:34:34 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:34:35 Speaker 02 You've heard of this?
2:34:36 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:34:36 Speaker 02 I mean, this is wild.
2:34:37 Speaker 05 A girl book that you and Miles have read only?
2:34:39 Speaker 02 That you don't know?
2:34:40 Speaker 05 That I don't know.
2:34:41 Speaker 02 This got explained to me by proxy from a woman.
2:34:43 Speaker 05 Okay.
2:34:44 Speaker 02 It's a wild thing. This is apparently like one of the most like top selling books right now for women, specifically in New York City. There's like this woman that was married for twenty years and all of a sudden her husband's not the person that she thought that he was.
2:34:54 Speaker 05 Okay, a stranger.
2:34:55 Speaker 02 She's a part of like the socialite, upper crust New York City society. And now they're in this big divorce, he's trying to ruin her life and she put it all in this like tell all expose book and all the girlish are talking about it.
2:35:07 Mark Gagnon? Does he do the big strap on joints like?
2:35:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:35:09 Mark Gagnon? He's a pinball.
2:35:10 Speaker 00 Is this based on a true story?
2:35:12 Speaker 02 It's a real thing that happened, it's just a, it's a reality show in a book.
2:35:16 Speaker 00 What's the name of the, of the?
2:35:17 Speaker 02 Called The Stranger.
2:35:18 Speaker 00 No, no, what's the name of the people?
2:35:19 Speaker 02 I have no idea, this was explained to me by someone, I truly, that's the extent of what I know, I was hoping that Alex would know about this.
2:35:24 Speaker 05 Honestly, someone had mentioned it and I just said I.
2:35:27 Speaker 00 Bella Burden.
2:35:29 Speaker 02 I also thought you were talking about the Albert.
2:35:30 Mark Gagnon? Scroll to the right a little bit.
2:35:31 Speaker 02 I'm so sorry.
2:35:31 Mark Gagnon? Sorry.
2:35:32 Speaker 02 I don't know this.
2:35:32 Mark Gagnon? The picture? Oh shit, that's my studio I think.
2:35:37 Speaker 00 Let's go.
2:35:39 Mark Gagnon? Wait, is it?
2:35:40 Speaker 05 Al is actually the one who's laughing.
2:35:42 Mark Gagnon? No, not that much.
2:35:43 Speaker 00 It's Good Morning America.
2:35:44 Mark Gagnon? Sorry, sorry.
2:35:45 Speaker 02 That type shit. But yeah, apparently this is like the number one show, but no one knows about it.
2:35:49 Speaker 05 I don't wanna read my reality TV.
2:35:52 Speaker 02 See, but that's for the demo above you. You understand?
2:35:55 Speaker 05 When I read it, I wanted to be literature.
2:35:57 Speaker 02 This?
2:35:58 Mark Gagnon? Oh wow, that's good.
2:35:59 Speaker 00 It is true.
2:35:59 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:36:00 Speaker 02 Nirvana, the show, the band, the movie.
2:36:02 Speaker 05 I heard I would really like that movie.
2:36:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've never seen it. I truly don't understand what it's about. But regardless, can you rank these four people from the most morals to least moral?
2:36:10 Speaker 05 Most.
2:36:11 Mark Gagnon? Team Sierra all day.
2:36:12 Speaker 02 Second?
2:36:13 Mark Gagnon? Yes, say it, say it.
2:36:15 Speaker 00 Say it.
2:36:15 Mark Gagnon? Say it's true.
2:36:16 Speaker 00 Say it.
2:36:17 Speaker 05 He fucking sucks.
2:36:18 Speaker 00 He shouldn't yell at me ever.
2:36:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:36:20 Speaker 02 It's a far second. It's a far second.
2:36:22 Speaker 05 And to say like, why will my wife support my DJ career is like pussy ass shit.
2:36:26 Speaker 00 No, that's not true.
2:36:27 Mark Gagnon? That's not true at all.
2:36:29 Speaker 05 What he's expecting is like a wife.
2:36:31 Speaker 00 You want your, you know, future whatever to support your endeavors? I don't know what you want me to say, dude. I'm just fucking, I'm just trying, dude.
2:36:41 Mark Gagnon? I know, I know. That was good.
2:36:43 Speaker 00 I'm doing my fucking best. I want your future relationship to... I'm not talking about your relationship.
2:36:50 Mark Gagnon? Exactly.
2:36:51 Speaker 00 I don't want you to feel uncomfortable. I don't want you to ever feel uncomfortable, so.
2:36:55 Speaker 05 I'm the captain now.
2:36:57 Speaker 00 Yeah, fair enough.
2:36:59 Mark Gagnon? But no, you want a supportive.
2:37:00 Speaker 02 People want their spouses to support.
2:37:02 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:37:02 Speaker 05 I think what we're seeing here is him kind of expecting to be like the celebrity in the relationship who has a normie partner. And she's kind of like, why? Why do I have to like be at your DJ shows?
2:37:13 Mark Gagnon? One, two.
2:37:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:37:15 Speaker 05 Hesitant to.
2:37:16 Mark Gagnon? Three and four, give me.
2:37:18 Speaker 05 To me, as a woman, I think Amanda is worse because this betrayal is so fucking bad.
2:37:23 Speaker 00 And you're cheating on your husband while you're married.
2:37:25 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:37:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, you cheated on most of the people. And she cheated on herself. She cheated on three people.
2:37:30 Speaker 05 She cheated on your husband who's bad, I don't give a fuck.
2:37:33 Mark Gagnon? No, no, no.
2:37:34 Speaker 02 She said until death do us part.
2:37:35 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:37:36 Speaker 00 Two wrongs don't make a right.
2:37:37 Speaker 02 She said sickness and health, good times and bad.
2:37:38 Speaker 05 You know, she should have ended it, like.
2:37:41 Mark Gagnon? Exactly, so she's worse.
2:37:42 Speaker 05 Kyle's a hard dude to be loyal to.
2:37:44 Speaker 02 She knew that before they got married.
2:37:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, then end it, for sure. Then end it.
2:37:47 Speaker 02 It wasn't an arranged marriage.
2:37:48 Speaker 00 Wes is a thirty year old fuckboy. He's doing exactly what he should be doing.
2:37:51 Mark Gagnon? He's been the most consistent guy in this love square. Yeah.
2:37:57 Speaker 05 Love chess game.
2:37:58 Speaker 00 Yes.
2:37:59 Mark Gagnon? He's a thirty year old fuck boy out in the Hamptons. He's doing exactly what he should be doing right now.
2:38:04 Speaker 00 Low key, yeah.
2:38:05 Speaker 05 But if this doesn't work out, like, who the fuck is having sex with West ever again?
2:38:09 Speaker 00 Every.
2:38:09 Mark Gagnon? All the girls in DMs.
2:38:11 Speaker 00 Look in his DMs.
2:38:11 Speaker 02 Fuckboys don't have a problem getting laid.
2:38:13 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:38:14 Speaker 05 No, but I'm just saying, like, the women who've seen this behavior. No, no, so true, but I think now.
2:38:22 Mark Gagnon? And.
2:38:22 Speaker 05 If you have sex with West now, after this whole thing, you're gross.
2:38:26 Speaker 00 More girls will do it.
2:38:27 Speaker 02 More.
2:38:28 Mark Gagnon? Women don't learn from other women. They have to learn from themselves.
2:38:30 Speaker 00 Okay.
2:38:31 Speaker 02 I think people in general, human beings long for the love that they knew as a child, even if that was pain.
2:38:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, the separation wound.
2:38:36 Speaker 02 He might be a bad partner, but a lot of their parents might have been bad partners. So men and women will seek the pain that they know.
2:38:41 Speaker 05 I mean, that's where we gotta, like, give Ciara Grace, her saying, like, I don't have a relationship with my dad. My mom's been married a couple of times. It bums me out. Like, she's just human falling for a fuckboy like this. You know?
2:38:51 Speaker 00 And he's just human.
2:38:53 Speaker 05 Do fuckboys, like, get to have whatever they want?
2:38:56 Speaker 00 They don't want that.
2:38:58 Mark Gagnon? Hmm.
2:39:00 Speaker 00 There, he's gonna be.
2:39:01 Speaker 02 They want their mom to love him, bro.
2:39:02 Speaker 00 They want their mom to love them.
2:39:04 Speaker 05 Do you think at forty, he'll be like, okay, I want a wife?
2:39:07 Speaker 02 Maybe, maybe not. It's difficult to say. But ultimately, what he deep down wants is connection with his mom.
2:39:12 Speaker 05 He's allowed to have whatever he wants.
2:39:13 Mark Gagnon? Fuckboys grow out of the fuckboy era. In your twenties, most of the time, hey, you're just having fun.
2:39:20 Speaker 02 And they leave behind a wake of destruction behind them.
2:39:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
2:39:22 Mark Gagnon? Yeah, it's unfortunate.
2:39:23 Speaker 05 I love being a girl, because, like, when I behave that way, it's kind of fine. Like, I helped David draft a goodbye text, and I was like, I don't write these.
2:39:32 Speaker 02 You're ghostwriting.
2:39:33 Speaker 00 Wow.
2:39:34 Speaker 05 I'm ghostwriting for David.
2:39:35 Speaker 00 Okay. I'm just warning you right now?
2:39:37 Speaker 05 No, I know, I know, I know.
2:39:38 Speaker 00 You gotta pump the brakes.
2:39:39 Speaker 05 I'm pumping the brakes, I'm pumping the brakes. Well, I think I.
2:39:42 Mark Gagnon? That was my last warning, by the way.
2:39:45 Speaker 05 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
2:39:46 Speaker 00 I feel totally comfortable with what I have said and shared on this podcast, and now it is up to. To you and I will not take away your agency. If you would like to share whatever you want.
2:39:54 Mark Gagnon? Yeah.
2:39:54 Speaker 05 Plagiarism supports women.
2:39:56 Speaker 02 I almost proud for now.
2:39:57 Speaker 05 I say that to say what I want.
2:39:58 Speaker 00 Women's worse woman.
2:40:03 Speaker 05 How did I become the woman? Anyway, Amanda, I just want her to have like a fuck girl era. Like leave West, get out there.
2:40:11 Speaker 02 No, she's too old.
2:40:14 Speaker 05 She's too old in the bikini econ? You liked what you saw?
2:40:17 Speaker 00 No offense, I'm just saying like for her to go out there and become a fuck girl.
2:40:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:40:22 Speaker 00 Like it's not a good look.
2:40:23 Speaker 05 She doesn't look like 34.
2:40:25 Speaker 00 It's not about that.
2:40:26 Speaker 02 Look is what you want.
2:40:27 Speaker 00 She should be like Sierra. Hey, just.
2:40:29 Speaker 02 I'm one of the guys that take me serious.
2:40:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, no, don't do a fuck girl.
2:40:33 Speaker 02 Be a serious person, go to church, get baptized.
2:40:34 Speaker 05 So why do women have to do that and men don't have to do that?
2:40:36 Speaker 02 They also should do that.
2:40:37 Speaker 00 They also should do that.
2:40:38 Speaker 02 But women unfortunately do uphold a lot of the standards in relationships because men will just kind of take.
2:40:42 Speaker 00 Yeah, you seen gay guys?
2:40:45 Speaker 02 Men are psychotic.
2:40:46 Speaker 00 I'm just saying like.
2:40:47 Speaker 05 Men are psychotic.
2:40:48 Speaker 00 Gay relationships, there's a lot of like open stuff.
2:40:51 Speaker 05 There's a lot of sex with whoever.
2:40:53 Speaker 00 Women are the ones that like create the foundation for what a monogamous relationship is.
2:40:57 Speaker 05 And what can you say?
2:40:58 Speaker 00 Fucking women out of it. There's no rules.
2:41:02 Speaker 05 This is a genuine question as a single person.
2:41:05 Speaker 00 My point is without them. Dudes is kind of like, hey, man, it is what it is. We're at the equinox.
2:41:12 Speaker 05 Right?
2:41:13 Speaker 00 With them.
2:41:14 Speaker 05 The WeHo Steam Room.
2:41:15 Speaker 00 Yes.
2:41:16 Speaker 02 They're doing it, that's okay.
2:41:17 Speaker 00 Oh no, I'm not saying whether it's okay or not, but like the traditional values, we can talk all we want about like the patriarchy and the control the patriarchy has. The matriarchy is what upholds the traditional values.
2:41:27 Speaker 05 And this is my question for you guys, as like a single person with like not the most hopeful vibes of marriage.
2:41:33 Speaker 00 No, no, no, no.
2:41:33 Speaker 05 No, I'm just asking you guys.
2:41:34 Speaker 00 She wants it, she gonna, she gonna deal with it. She gonna talk about it.
2:41:37 Speaker 05 Mark's face is looking.
2:41:38 Speaker 00 And listen, hey.
2:41:39 Speaker 05 I just want to know from your guys' perspective, do men benefit from that like monogamy, like women wanting to like hold it down?
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