Life After Breaking Bad: Walt Jr. Exposes The Dark Side Of Child Acting, Money, & Greed | RJ Mitte

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Graham Stephan?

  Did you know how big of a deal it was going to be?

• 0:33Speaker 02

  No. No. My mother would tell me so many stories about my father. Breaking Bad changed my life in a great way. It was a dream come true. But it also showed me how dark this industry can really be.

• 0:49Graham Stephan?

  How have you seen money corrupt people in Hollywood?

• 0:52Speaker 02

  People will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is. When you have someone that desperately needs it, that's willing to do anything, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power. It was just one of those days. You get a letter and it's like, your heart drops. I trusted them and they basically stole everything. And because of that, I've paid more in taxes than I got from Breaking Bad.

• 1:20Graham Stephan?

  Were these like Hollywood elites? Were these people that people would know?

• 1:32Graham Stephan?

  RJ, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Such a pleasure to be here.

• 1:36Graham Stephan?

  I really appreciate it, man. You seem very well adjusted. Why do you, why do you think so many child actors end up going off the rails or having difficulty later in life?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  So I started when I was 12. I was doing like extra work and stuff like that. And, you know, living in, the industry is very different, but living in California and, you know, when you're hot, you're hot and you're not, you're not. And when you're a young kid and you're easily influenced and, you know, it's the stars, it's the people. It's like, it's glitz and glamour and all these things. And, you know, you don't, I find you don't see like the forest through the trees, right? And

• 2:21Speaker 02

  You know, you, you, you hear a lot about drug abuse and a lot of like, like drug activity and, and kids getting into stuff young and then affecting them and they come out later in life. And when you're, when you're popular, it's free, right? Everyone's like, people offer me stuff all the time and I'm like, I'm good on that. I've seen enough problems. I don't need any problem.

• 2:45Jack Selby?

  Who is offering you stuff?

• 2:47Speaker 02

  Random, random people.

• 2:48Jack Selby?

  Just at parties and like Hollywood just.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  I, I was speaking at university and, and you know, with Breaking Bad with the drug content, people are like always talking about different types of drugs. And I was in like different types of comments and it's there. Like, you know, like you don't have to look very far anywhere in the world to find these types of entities that will be offering or trying to sell and trying to hook. And you know, for, for years, it's like people will be like, here you go, here's free drinks. I mean, look at every event that you'll go to like at clubs and parties, it's all open bar. So imagine young kids are going to open bars, they're hot, they just won an Emmy, they just won an Oscar, they just whatever it is.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  And like no one's, no one's really protecting them because they're a star, they don't need protection. And let's go fast forward 10 years, well, the bar's not open anymore. So now you have people that have been partying and living a certain life for so long. And you, everyone fades out over time, you know, you can't be on, you can't be at the top of the mountain forever. And it's a long way down from the top. And so you've lived this lifestyle for so long, you know, that's where you see people that are making a lot of money and their bills get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then the money stops and then it's like everything's gone.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  And there's no protection in that. There's no one saying like, hey, slow down. Like it's like, no, you gotta keep going. You gotta make that check. You gotta get out there and keep pushing until one day you either. I, I say pressure. Is great for making diamonds, but it also can make rubble and it can destroy people. And I just think you can't always keep pushing hard. You gotta take time for yourself.

• 4:45Graham Stephan?

  What was the closest you got to falling into that pressure?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  I don't really like, you know, I grew up in a weird environment where um I was very family oriented at a young age. So, so like I would like to go out and I like to go out and have fun. But my responsibilities have kind of always overshadowed what, what I wanna go have fun versus me having a greater responsibility and the consequences. Everything I do, I look at, all right, cause and effect. What is the consequence to my action? Is it a positive consequence or is it a negative consequence? And, and I think throughout my life, I've had very different like positive influences and negative influences.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  But I've always saw the aftermath in different capacities. And I, I think it's really just about, you know, staying true to who you are. And, you know, going to the parties, going to the Hollywood stuff, it's cool, but, but like it wears on you and you just can't do it forever.

• 5:55Graham Stephan?

  What do you think should be done for child actors in the future to prevent them from falling into that?

• 5:59Speaker 02

  I mean, I, there's not really a way to prevent people from living life. Like, you know, you, as I'm not a parent yet, but, but I have many friends who are parents. And I've raised my sister in a capacity and take care of my family. And, you know, I, I think it's, we always want the best for our children. And, and I think it's, it's think of, of their needs before your own. And especially when it comes to an industry where it's very predatory. Like the, the entertainment industry, I mean, you can go back and look at history on it. It's not the kindest business and it's not a very forgiving business.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  And I think it's about staying true to who you are, instilling in your children, instilling in your, in your team. That's like, hey, like these are the, these are not the avenues you wanna go. And using previous examples of.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Look at what happened when they did these things. Do you want to be like that? You know, it's like, do you want to be like your uncle? Like, do you, or do you want to be like this? And it's like, you know, you, again, when you're at the top of it, no one's telling you these things. No one's like, no one's encouraging you to be good. They want you to be out there. They want the sensationalism. And I, I think it's about, you know, saying like, it's like, you don't have to get out there to be whatever it is they think you are, as long as you stay true to yourself. And I think that kind of will protect you.

• 7:26Jack Selby?

  Did you see the Charlie Sheen documentary?

• 7:28Speaker 02

  I haven't, but I want to.

• 7:29Jack Selby?

  Oh my gosh, I just started it. He was able to hide a lot of this stuff. A lot of his usage, you would have no idea. And he would just go to such an extreme, but he was able to get his work done, which is the most mind boggling thing about it.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  And that's all they care about, really. It's like, are you showing up to time on work? Are you saying your lines? Are you hitting your marks? And that consistency, people can hide their problems outside of that. Like, drug abuse is, is such a rampant issue. And like, it happens under people's noses all the time. Like with Breaking Bad, I did work with the DEA and we had different enforcements and, and educational type structures in, in the show on like what these things, what these are. And people hide it really well. Some of the, some of your like closest friends and family that you would never guess might, you know?

• 8:26Jack Selby?

  I know it's really common, or more common than one would think in like investment banking and private equity. Like, people are doing a lot of like COCAINE in that industry, as well as other like crazy, crazy drugs. And those are high performers. Those are people that are working like 80 to 100 hour weeks.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Well, that, but that's why they're doing those substances. Like, that's why you'll see a lot of that. I mean, look at Wolf of Wall Street, you know? Look, look at, look at these types of investment movies and shows where it's like, they have that high pressure, high stress where they're putting, you know, 24 hour days and like taking clients out and, and it's.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  It's the game, you know, the game of, the game of whatever they're trying to play. And it, I, it's wild. It's out there. The, the stuff's out there. But if you're smart about it and you just kind of mind your own business and don't tattle, like be like, I'm, I'm not involved, but you do what you want, like.

• 9:25Jack Selby?

  What was the main reason you wanted to get into acting?

• 9:28Speaker 02

  Uh, I started acting to keep, to meet kids my own age. So, uh, my sister got cast out of a water park when she was one and a half years old. And that took us to California. It was for a Luso Ball campaign. And I was around 11, 12. Uh, my mom, uh, right after my sister was born was in a car accident. And was partially paralyzed for about seven years. And my grandparents were both sick, one living in Texas, one in Louisiana. And so we were traveling between the two a lot. And this was kind of an opportunity for us to have a vacation, you know?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  This, this job that my sister got as a baby, uh, was a six month run at Universal. And we're like, yeah, let's do this thing. This is a, it's a six month paid vacation. And I just was with them and was like, okay, I guess I'm going to try doing it as well. And I started doing extra work and I was on shows like Hannah Montana, Everybody Hates Chris, uh, Weed, Seventh Heaven, Jobbit Taylor, as an extra. And that's the one thing that like I recommend to people is if they want to get in the entertainment industry, especially acting, um, extra work is like my number one step to, to getting into it. Cause you're going to find out if you like it or not. If you can handle being an extra, you can handle all the other stuff.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  But there's a lot of people that can't handle the extra work. Cause like, they don't always treat you right. It's super long hours and, and, uh,

• 11:06Speaker 02

  You know, you're you're low man on the totem pole. They could be like, you know, you you're a disruption. Never come back. And so I just started doing that to meet kids my own age and was auditioning as well for other shows. Actually, my very first audition was an anti-meth campaign.

• 11:24Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  State of California. And I didn't get it, of course.

• 11:29Graham Stephan?

  What did they have you say?

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't really having me say anything. The the the commercial aired. Um, I saw the commercial many, many years ago. You probably find on YouTube, but it's this guy that comes in high on meth. Um, and like I was one of the I auditioned for one of the kids.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  The family, right? There's like a mom and two kids and the dad comes in high on meth and like screaming and throwing things. And and it was just like us being afraid. And, uh, and I didn't get it. I didn't get the audition. But about six months to a year later, I started auditioning for Breaking Bad. And that changed my life.

• 12:08Graham Stephan?

  So who gave you the script for this?

• 12:10Speaker 02

  So I I was auditioning through my agent and my manager at the time, um, just in general. And Breaking Bad came along specifically seeking people with disabilities. And what was funny is at the time I didn't like, you know, there were certain auditions. I would send in my resume that has cerebral palsy on it. And they're more often than not the ones that did not say that I had a disability on my resume. And, uh, and this one specifically came in looking for someone with cerebral palsy. And at the time, there wasn't really a lot of us in the media. Um, you know, there wasn't really a lot of of diversification as far as people with disabilities.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  And, uh, and so they really wanted someone with a disability. And um, um, Sharon Brawley, uh, the casting director for Breaking Bad, who had already cast Brian, uh, Aaron, Betsy. The whole family was cast, except for me. I was the very, well, Walt Jr. was the very last, um, cast part. And so I auditioned over six months. And my last two auditions were I, I auditioned in L.A. They're like, hey, so they like you, you're moving on. They're already filming in New Mexico, the show at the time, um, in Albuquerque. So we're going to fly you to New Mexico to meet, um, the team there to audition for Vince in person,

• 13:38Speaker 02

  as well as do a test screening with Brian and Anna. And I literally flew in, got in at like six, seven in the morning, auditioned at nine. They sent me away. It was against one other person. At the time, it was narrowed down between the two of us. And they called me back in for a test screening. And then they were like, okay, thank you. I met Brian and Anna, they sent me to my room and I went to bed. Um, I didn't, I had a flight at like two o'clock that day. They called me, Vince called me and goes, hey, so, uh, you got the part. Congratulations, go pack your bags because you're, you're already late. We're already filming, so we need you back here.

• 14:16Jack Selby?

  Did you know how big of a deal it was going to be? And like, at what point did you realize, oh, like this is going to be one of the biggest shows of all time?

• 14:24Speaker 02

  You know, we knew we had something special. Like, we knew the show was like, when you read the script, I recommend to people all the time, like, read the pilot. If, if, if you're going to be in the industry at all, read, read the pilot episode, Breaking Bad, because that is, in my opinion, one of the best written episodes, movie, whatever you want to consider it. And because I consider it more of a movie than, than a show, that, that pilot episode, because there's this beginning, middle and end. And when you read it, it just leaves you with this like, what moment? And

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Again, we knew it was special, but you you just don't know. And Breaking Bad was not liked in the beginning.

• 15:08Jack Selby?

  How long did you think that the show was going to be? Did they fully write out the entirety of the show in the beginning? Or did they write it as they were filming?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  You know, I I every season kind of was written as the seasons progressed. We had an amazing writing team, you know, Vince Gilligan, Peter Goll and and so many other amazing, amazing writings, like a lot of them still work together, you know, with Bella Costal and El Camino.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  But it was kind of one of those things that we we could kind of see where it was going. But we really didn't, you know, at any moment, something could happen to these characters. And and they were they felt very real and organic. And in the scenes, everything just kind of made sense.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  But we got the, you know, as as the series went on later and later, they had to be careful with the scripts. People were leaking in the beginning, everyone got a script. Towards the end, you got your parts. So so a lot of times you didn't really know, you know, Brian and Aaron, they knew because they were in every scene. But we really just didn't know.

• 16:20Jack Selby?

  But so you wouldn't get the entire script?

• 16:22Speaker 02

  At the at the last two seasons, that we I we didn't get the entire scripts.

• 16:28Jack Selby?

  What would you say was the pivotal moment of the show where it went from something that wasn't very well liked to something that was like, OK, everyone is obsessing over this?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  I think Netflix, I think Netflix really put Breaking Bad on the map as far as just accessibility to the show.

• 16:45Jack Selby?

  That's when I found it.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, we were actually one of the most pirated shows in the history of television, huge in Eastern Europe.

• 16:55Jack Selby?

  Wow.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Huh, who are they thunk, right?

• 17:00Jack Selby?

  It's funny, it's funny you mention that. I I read something that said that after Breaking Bad, meth quality actually went up.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  I would believe that. I would definitely.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't condone that drug, but hopefully it's better products for people. No, you know, I think it really spotlighted, you know, this form of drug abuse in communities. You know, in the early 2000s, meth was kind of more of like, um, out in the woods. No one's doing meth. It's these faraway places. And in reality, it's in our backyard. And I think it really, Breaking Bad, really opened the doors on the awareness of methamphetamine in our communities. And, and you know, some people really thought that we were glorifying it in the beginning, that we were promoting it. And if you really watch the show,

• 17:57Speaker 02

  it doesn't end well for Walter White. Like, it really destroys his whole entire family. And, and I think, um, I think it's something that really was an eye opener for many people.

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• 19:17Graham Stephan?

  What was the filming schedule like?

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Dude, sixteen hour days. Like, like, we were, we were sometimes shooting six, seven days a week, two man teams. One time, our film got run over by an airplane. Yeah, and leaving, leaving studio, because we shot on film. We were one of the, one of, one of the last series and shows, I guess, to, to shoot on film. Thirty-five millimeter. And so we would film. And, and that's what really, when it comes to like time restrictions and, and pressure on set, we have finite amount of film. You know, some of these film roles, you're talking like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, seventy-five thousand dollars, just for like the roles of these films.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  And, uh, one day it was being shipped because, because we had Albuquerque being, you know, one of the main bases for us. But we also had the, the editing studios in California. And so we would have to send those to California. And apparently one day, some of them got left out and a plane ran over them. And we had to reshoot that whole, I don't know how many days it was, but that was a nightmare. And we, we were running, uh, camera teams A and B and trying to make it up to, to, to get back on top of the, the schedule.

• 20:38Jack Selby?

  How do you memorize your lines?

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Uh, I have a couple of different ways, um, to memorize lines and, and I think it's different for everyone. I, I say lines, um, rhythmically, you know, I kind of, when I talk and, and when I'm reading my rhyme, reading my lines, I read them in a rhythm. And so it, it gives you the basis of, um, kind of what they're saying. And then I sleep on it. I read my lines the night before of what I'm doing that next day. And I go to sleep on those lines. And so I, I kind of believe that when you read at the end of the night, whatever you're reading, it soaks in your brain more, you know?

• 21:23Speaker 02

  You, you sometimes like, I'll sometimes run my lines in my dreams. And I find it helps it be more organic.

• 21:33Jack Selby?

  What was the most difficult line for you to present?

• 21:36Speaker 02

  See, in Breaking Bad, none, man, because it was so well-written. Like Breaking Bad was.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  I leave one of the easiest jobs I've ever had in the sense of just quality. And, and when you set a line, it made sense. Like, I've done some movies and stuff where I'm, I'm reading and I got big monologues and I'm like, "Man, how am I supposed to say this?" And they're like, "Yeah, you just say it." And I'm like, "You say it," and they can't.

• 22:09Jack Selby?

  But let's, but let's just say you get like two paragraphs.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:12Jack Selby?

  Do they want it to be said verbatim, like word for word? Or do they say, "Just get this point across and how you do it, we don't care."

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Depends on the director. Um, depends on the writer and it depends on the director. Some, sometimes, um, they want you to say what they wrote. Like, like every writer does not want you to ad lib. Any, any writer that's very proud of their work, they're definitely not gonna want you to ad lib. But as far as like with Breaking Bad and, and some of the projects, if the ad lib makes sense, or like, you know, the, the, in the pilot episode, the, "Do I look like a skater?" Um, stuff, some of that was ad libbed and, and it worked. But, but when it came down to like a lot of it, you did what they put on the page.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  But again, with Breaking Bad, it was so well-written, like the lines, the movement even, the environment, like on the page. So when you read it, you saw it. There was no question about it.

• 23:13Jack Selby?

  Was there any impromptu lines or impromptu things that just kind of happened that ended up making it into the show that were a fan favorite? I always think about this one clip I see all the time. I think it's Tom Holland and, uh, Robert Downey Jr. And they were in the back of a car and they were, they were filming a scene for Avengers or something. And Tom Holland like, or Robert Downey Jr. goes to like assist Tom with like opening up the car door or something. And then Tom thinks he's going in for a hug and so he hugs him and it's like super, super awkward. And then they just rolled with it and it was like a fan favorite. And you could see like the natural reaction of.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  The cohesiveness.

• 23:47Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, no. There, there was lots of different moments, um, like that. And I think a lot of it was pausing. Like a lot of it was looks on the show. It was more of like, just like a look that you would give. And, um. You know, nothing's sticking out, but I think one of the things that always sticks out, that's a fan favorite, is the pizza on the roof. That was a one and done because they tried to recreate it and it didn't happen again.

• 24:17Graham Stephan?

  Have you seen the videos of the lady coming out of the house yelling at people? What do you think of that?

• 24:22Speaker 02

  I think when you have one of the most famous houses in the world and definitely one of the most infamous houses in the state of New Mexico, it comes with responsibility and it comes with accountability and I think you kind of have to, to, you know, have some leeway with it. I knew the lady that owns the house now, I knew her parents really well and, you know, during Breaking Bad in the beginning, you know, they got, as the show ended, they got much older and people were breaking into their house. Like they were waking up, finding people in their living room. It wasn't like, just like people going, people were trying to get into the house and that's

• 25:06Speaker 02

  why they raised the fence. Sadly, it just keep, you know, escalating and, and I think she's trying to sell it at the moment.

• 25:16Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, she's asking 3.9 million dollars.

• 25:18Jack Selby?

  See, that just seems like, like she doesn't care that much about the attention. Because if she really cared, she would sell it at market or even a little bit above market.

• 25:26Graham Stephan?

  She said that it was her family's house, it's been in the family for a long time, you just can't sell it, but if she were to sell it, she wants 4 million dollars.

• 25:34Jack Selby?

  It seems, people are speculating online that she does actually enjoy the attention a little bit, but I don't know how true that is.

• 25:42Graham Stephan?

  Because she goes out and yells at everybody.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  I think she does, I think it does give her purpose a little. You know, again, it's a fine line, like, she's nice to me.

• 25:53Graham Stephan?

  Do you talk to her?

• 25:54Speaker 02

  I, we saw her, we saw her, we were just in New Mexico not too long ago and we saw her and so like, because like.

• 26:00Graham Stephan?

  Did you hit her up?

• 26:01Speaker 02

  No, it was just, you know, it's Albuquerque, man.

• 26:03Graham Stephan?

  Do you just show up to the house?

• 26:05Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I, back in the day, because I was, I was really close to the family because we spent a lot of time there. But like, people all think that the inside is what this inside of the show looks like and it's not. We shot all the interior, most of the interior, like on a soundstage. The only thing about the house is the exterior and the backyard, but like.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not gonna touch that with a 10 foot pole, man. I think like, you know, maybe 2 million, a million and a half.

• 26:35Jack Selby?

  What makes so much money giving tours of the house? Someone can pay a lot of money to go up on the roof to try to find a little bit of pizza and then sell that.

• 26:43Graham Stephan?

  Airbnb would be crazy at even like 1500 a night.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  It's not the same inside though.

• 26:47Graham Stephan?

  It doesn't matter, just to be able to stay at the house.

• 26:50Jack Selby?

  To be able to stay at the house, people would pay.

• 26:51Graham Stephan?

  I would pay 1500 bucks a night.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  That would be the smart, I agree, I agree with that, but like, I think it would take a lot of infrastructure.

• 26:59Jack Selby?

  Would you buy the house?

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:01Jack Selby?

  How much would you pay?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Not 4 million, I'll tell you that. I mean, so everything in that house value is around 350, I've, you know.

• 27:11Graham Stephan?

  We've looked at this estimate.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've looked at the numbers, I, so my number for the house, the actual number that I've come up with, I think Walter White, the White House

• 27:23Speaker 02

  value, I'm thinking 1.2, just out of names, out of like the environment. But like, if the neighborhood's nice, but it's not a 4 million dollar nice neighborhood, you know what I mean? You can't have that, you're gonna destroy the market in that community.

• 27:38Graham Stephan?

  But here's the thing, she putting it up at that price gets a lot of publicity, because I saw that listing went up, it was on the front page of Yahoo and CNN and all these places, the Breaking Bad houses for sale, asking 4 million bucks. It drives a lot of people to go and just take a look at it again.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  But there's a fence though, man, I like, that's my thing, is I wish like the city of Albuquerque or like the state would, you know, redo it. You know, she put up the fence, they've done a lot of remodeling, it's not the same house. But I wish whatever like the state or someone would come in and bring it back to what it originally was, because it was a great house and you know, it really means a lot to a lot of fans. And I think the impact that Breaking Bad has had on the city of New Mexico, you know, there has been positive aspects, or there's been negative aspects, but there's also been many positive aspects.

• 28:30Jack Selby?

  I think, yeah, Bryan Cranston should buy it.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  If anyone could buy it, Bryan could probably buy it.

• 28:35Graham Stephan?

  There's a Simpsons house in Vegas, you know that? Really? Yeah. What do you mean Simpsons house? It's the house that wa- it's identical to The Simpsons. It was either The Simpsons was based on this house, or this house was created to be identical to The Simpsons house. And you could drive by it. I had no idea. Yes. That's really cool. Yes, and it looks almost identical to the real Simpsons house.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  See, that's... See, the question is, how many people try to break into it, though?

• 29:02Graham Stephan?

  Nobody breaks into it, as far as I'm aware. But it does become a bit of a tourist attraction, where you could go and look at The Simpsons house in Las Vegas.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  That's pretty sick. I think I've seen it on Instagram. There's a lot of, you know, I think what they've done, like, you know, The Sopranos home?

• 29:15Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  And, you know, Beverly Hills, like, the houses in, like, Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and stuff like that. I find, these are like staples of television history. And I think when a house gets to that point, there should be some form of historical preservation.

• 29:34Graham Stephan?

  You know what, you're right, because the Home Alone house, they were asking 5.9 million. And I actually thought objectively it was a good deal. The Brady Bunch house, I remember when that got listed, they got like 100 offers on this house. And it sold way over asking, I believe, to HGTV, because they were gonna do something like with it. But their other bidder was either from, like, NSYNC or Backstreet Boys. Like, it was some musical artist who was, like, bidding against HGTV to buy the Brady Bunch house. But it's a one-of-a-kind house.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  See, that's the thing. It's, you're not necessarily buying the property, you're buying the history. Like, you know, I do a lot of work with historical preservation and restoring historical stuff in Texas. And, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, 100 years, 50 years will go... I was being generous with 100. 50 years will go by and these, like, people will still go visit these iconic locations. And it carries over. And so I think that's what you're... That's what the number is, is the history.

• 30:39Graham Stephan?

  I'm telling you, we could make a fortune if we go 50/50 on this house. Do Airbnb on it, but you promote the house.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  See, see, I'm...

• 30:47Graham Stephan?

  That would do so well.

• 30:49Jack Selby?

  Like eighty twenty?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Eighty twenty. Oh.

• 30:53Graham Stephan?

  There's gotta be some, some component of, of you marketing the house, but I honestly think as an Airbnb, it would do insane numbers. Someone has to plug the cash flow on this. Cause at a certain price, you could overpay for it and make your money back in the first year.

• 31:08Jack Selby?

  Graham, you're giving away some sauce, right?

• 31:10Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 31:11Graham Stephan?

  Someone's gonna do this.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  No one, no one can do this.

• 31:13Graham Stephan?

  That's what I'm saying. If we did it.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 31:16Graham Stephan?

  It would do so well.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  I'll keep an eye on it. I think it would do well. I think you would have to, I think it would be more than a year to get your capital, especially.

• 31:24Graham Stephan?

  No, but just the amount you overpay. I'm saying if it's like worth one point two and you pay like, you know, one point five, let's just say. You make your money back, you whittle it down.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  I think you're probably gonna make it back in like five years. Like you can't over, you can't gouge people.

• 31:37Graham Stephan?

  Hundred a night? I.

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• 32:09Graham Stephan?

  Think people will pay fifteen hundred a night to stay at the Breaking Bad house? Minimum of two nights, three grand.

• 32:14Jack Selby?

  Like gonna take a long time to make it. I guess if you put like 20% down, but like what kind of bank is gonna lend against like four million dollar houses?

• 32:21Graham Stephan?

  Pledge to asset line.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  I mean, hey, you know, you, stranger things have happened.

• 32:26Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

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• 33:32Jack Selby?

  What did they pay you just for that first episode?

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Uh, minimum. Cause it was my very first speaking job ever. Like ever. So, so I got the, the regular SAG, um, minimum for it.

• 33:45Graham Stephan?

  I heard, or I was researching online.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  We did not have a lot of money. Like, like Breaking Bad was not like very lucrative as far as like,

• 33:57Speaker 02

  across the board. Every season, we were told that we were canceled. We just did not have the viewership until streaming. You know, that was, again, that was our big moment was when streaming came in and people binge viewed Breaking Bad. But, but up until that point, it was a struggle every year. And Vince and, and the writing team, they fought. And, and a gentleman who worked at, um, AMC at the time named Charlie Collier. And, and he really fought to keep Breaking Bad on AMC. Like it was a battle.

• 34:29Graham Stephan?

  So I read online, it was $250 for the pilot.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Like for who?

• 34:34Graham Stephan?

  For you.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  250?

• 34:36Graham Stephan?

  Was it just for the pilot? So yeah, I read something online and again, this is online. But it was either like a Wikipedia or like-

• 34:42Speaker 02

  The basic SAG, SAG recurring scale.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't, it, trust me, it wasn't much.

• 34:51Graham Stephan?

  It's crazy to me. Do you get residuals though on, uh, streaming? Cause I thought that was the big-

• 34:57Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't exist anymore. Like, that's been a big issue over the past decade in our industry, especially with older actors. You know, the streaming services, you don't really get your residuals. And that, and your residuals, once you get older, your residuals are pretty much what keeps your insurance alive. Like, once you can't work anymore. And so, so like, it's a very niche industry, you know. I've seen like, you know, how these types of interviews work and how the new media structure works. As far as like television and film, you know, streaming is good for the networks themselves. But as far for the artists, you're kind of getting the minimum.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  You get more reach, you can make a name for yourself, but it's not like it used to be.

• 35:44Jack Selby?

  So when they took it from TV to Netflix, you didn't see a huge skyrocket in income despite the show being viewed more times than ever?

• 35:52Speaker 02

  No, you get one check and you're like, catch you in nine years. And like, that check is like, oh. I mean, I'm not saying that they weren't paying people on Breaking Bad, but like, I was, I was the youngest kid on the show. You know what I mean? It was my very first role.

• 36:08Jack Selby?

  So what could happen if you're like six seasons in or five seasons into Breaking Bad? And you're just like, I'm done. What, like, are you contractually obligated to keep going for as long as they want you to go? Or like, what happens if you just want to step back?

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Well, with a show like Breaking Bad, you usually die. They get, they.

• 36:27Jack Selby?

  They write it into this. But then sometimes they, sometimes they revisit it, like in Dexter, you know, how his dad always comes back and it's like.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  See, but, but if you look at like some of those connections and relationships with like, with like,

• 36:41Speaker 02

  like, like the actual main character, like number one on the call sheet, right? Like, those, those people are really ingrained deep into like the producing, writing opinions. Like, they're not just acting, they're, they're across the board on decision making for the show. And so like, they would be like, I like this guy, I don't care what y'all say, we're bringing him back. And again, that can create conflict, but.

• 37:05Jack Selby?

  That's interesting. So they just like, if you want to step back, they just basically make it so you've died?

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Like, if you want, if you want it out in like, like an asshole-y kind of way, yeah. Like, shows like Breaking Bad, shows like Dexter, like, oh dude, you. Accidents happen all the time, like especially for these characters.

• 37:23Graham Stephan?

  But then you also probably ruin your reputation in that circle of like, this guy just walked out on us. Let's not work on.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Why would you work with someone that's kind of like, like, you know, so here's, it's funny that you bring that up. So I was in a roller coaster accident while I was filming Breaking Bad. And I had like a male bar, a sharmar.

• 37:42Graham Stephan?

  What?

• 37:43Speaker 02

  Ripped out all my like elbow stuff.

• 37:45Graham Stephan?

  How?

• 37:46Speaker 02

  I was like 15.

• 37:47Graham Stephan?

  Oh, wait, how does this happen?

• 37:49Speaker 02

  So, you know, don't go the first week to a brand new roller coaster.

• 37:54Graham Stephan?

  And it was you that got hit. Was someone else around you that also?

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Oh, I was like the ninth person that got injured that day.

• 38:00Graham Stephan?

  Did they have insurance? That's the first thing in my mind.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  So where I messed up was I didn't want to wait for the ambulance. It was like a 45 minute wait. And so I was like, I'm going to my hospital right now. Cause like this kid's like, I'm like bleeding out of my elbow. Well, here, the ride starts, it hits me in the arm and then the ride takes off. So the pressure builds and builds and builds in my elbow. And as we're going through this, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, man, this is gonna hurt tomorrow. Like I, cause of the adrenaline and the ride stops and I just hear screaming. And I'm like, oh my God, what happened behind me? And we go to get off and everyone behind me is wiping like blood off of them. And I'm like, what happened?

• 38:46Speaker 02

  And this, this worker like that was working the, the, the, the ride is like, you're bleeding. And I'm like, huh? And I looked down and I'm just like, remember.

• 38:56Graham Stephan?

  Wait, so what, what exactly did you hit your arm on?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  So apparently there, that's, that's a very good question that we never fully found the answer to after a lawsuit. But, but going to my point of why I bring this up is they told me, cause I went through like three surgeries. And like, they gave me a bunch of pills and I'm like, I'm not taking these pills. And after three surgeries after that, they're like, look, like you're injured, but if you were that injured, you should quit your job.

• 39:25Graham Stephan?

  Uh huh.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  And my jaw was breaking back. And so like I made the decision. I was like, I'm done with you guys, whatever. I can, I've done the surgeries. I've done the things. I've done the nerve testing. Like, I'm not quitting my job and, and, and just like buried it. Like, you know, like just did the physical therapy.

• 39:48Graham Stephan?

  You didn't get like a huge payout from this? Or maybe there was some, something behind this.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  I got my, I got my medical bills covered, which was like a lot.

• 39:59Graham Stephan?

  Still, oh my gosh.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  But that was the point. If I wanted to pay out, I had to quit the show.

• 40:05Graham Stephan?

  So your elbow was like, kind of like.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I mean, you can't see it on camera, but you see that there's like a little hole, right?

• 40:11Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  It like shot in and like rotated. See the right? It didn't hurt. It didn't hurt at all. But what hurt the most when I got to the hospital, because they're like, hey, so we can't x-ray it because it's a puncture wound. We have to, um, we gotta make sure there's no metal in it. And that, in my opinion, was probably, I'd probably say in the top five most painful things I've experienced in my life. And this dude sat on top of me because of the angle. I had to lay like this. And there, this big nurse was with these big old long pliers just digging in my arm. And I had like headphones. I'm just like listening to something. And like, I'm just like, and good times.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  But, but the reason why, but like the reason why I bring that is they, they wanted me to quit the show, you know? And when you have a show and you have something that you feel very passionate about, there's no reason to walk away from it, you know? There's like, there's, there's, there's every reason to, no matter what, push forward and make it happen regardless.

• 41:21Graham Stephan?

  Geez.

• 41:22Jack Selby?

  So we're mostly like a financial podcast. It's sort of where we're coming from. And you've claimed before that Breaking Bad did not make you a millionaire.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  No, no, not even.

• 41:34Jack Selby?

  Not even close?

• 41:35Speaker 02

  I've, I've paid more in taxes than I got from Breaking Bad.

• 41:38Graham Stephan?

  How is, how does that, how is that possible?

• 41:42Speaker 02

  It's just the name of the game with it. Like, you know, young kid, like you just, you like, I didn't really see a lot of like, like I, you know, I had a team, a big team at one point and I was traveling the world, doing stuff. And like, so mostly my team, like I'm, like I, I was paying to keep my career going.

• 42:03Graham Stephan?

  Oh, I see.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Like I was paying to keep, keep pushing forward and to keep doing that. And everything went back into the business. So like, as far as like excess.

• 42:13Graham Stephan?

  Did you have the Coogan account as a kid?

• 42:16Speaker 02

  I did.

• 42:16Graham Stephan?

  So it was that that was going in there?

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, but not even close to triple digit.

• 42:22Graham Stephan?

  See, what's crazy is that Google says your net worth is $5 million. Where did they get that number from?

• 42:27Speaker 02

  I honestly don't know. I think, I think it's so what I've earned in my entire life. Um, one, one thing that did put a damper on me, I did have a bad business manager. I did, I got, I got royally like hammered.

• 42:45Graham Stephan?

  So what?

• 42:45Speaker 02

  In my last four years of my highest earning series.

• 42:49Graham Stephan?

  What was the justification behind the business manager making certain decisions?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Um, I wanted to protect my funds. So I got a, you know, I was 18, 19, like 17, 18. You hear all the bad stories, right? You're like, hey, I, I wanted to like, I was like, okay, I want to get a business accountant. Like up until that point, I always managed it. My family, we always, you know, filled the sheets out, did the things, always had it. And then I was like, you know, I really, everyone's kind of pushing me to, to make sure that I have a proper accountant. Dude, I got eaten.

• 43:26Graham Stephan?

  So did he just invest your money poorly? Or did he siphon funds from you? Like, what was the main? And what year was that?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  So I was, I was around seventeen. So I'd probably say this was around like 2011.

• 43:40Graham Stephan?

  A rough time in the market.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Like, like 2011, 2012, 2013.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  And, and so like I, I can't go into details because this person, I don't know, is still out there, but I know she got fourteen other actors. I was like one of this big group that she was targeting, like primarily people with disabilities, elderly, like older actors in the industry. And, uh, and worked at the sheriff's department where she had her office at. So she could, you would have to file at that.

• 44:15Graham Stephan?

  Sure.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  And so.

• 44:16Graham Stephan?

  But how does she lose the money? Like, is it, is it poor investments? Is it high expenses? You just didn't get it?

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Just, no, she didn't lose it.

• 44:27Graham Stephan?

  She was just siphoning funds?

• 44:28Speaker 02

  She was siphoning funds. Like, like literally she would, I would write a check.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  I write a check and like to go pay my taxes. And instead of her using it to pay my taxes, she would send me a fake filing of taxes and take that money. And so at the end of the day, though, it's my negligence. So regardless of that, the IRS doesn't really care about you. They only care that you make sure that you're, that you are paying it. And anyone else that handles that is your fault because you did not do your due diligence.

• 45:00Graham Stephan?

  Is she still working today or is she like in jail?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  She's around.

• 45:05Graham Stephan?

  That's what happened to the, to the guy. I'm blanking on her name.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  It's very common. This is a very, it only took me 10 years to pay it off.

• 45:12Graham Stephan?

  10 years to pay off your taxes?

• 45:15Speaker 02

  It was a rough thing. But like, you know, it was a lesson learned. And it's like, you know, I, I, I've always been very savvy in my finances. You know, I, I, I was treasurer for my organization for, for eight years. And we, we've always done well. And I've always been very good about it. And, you know, I'm, I look at it as a blessing.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  And a curse, um, but it gave me knowledge that like no one has. Steve Harvey had the same thing happen to him. Same thing. He was paying his accountant. The accountant will cash the check and then he would just get a fake receipt. A fake receipt? Yeah, they just make a mock of it. It all looks legit and they're like, here you go. And then like three or four or five years later with compound interest at like thirteen, fourteen percent or seventeen percent interest on that total number for each year. You get this nice big check coming for you. How did you get a letter from the IRS? I didn't get one until it was like too late. Like, yeah. And did people show up at your house?

• 46:19Speaker 02

  No, I had, I, you know, I have attorneys and stuff that I've like, cause I work, you know, I've, I'm on top of stuff. I wasn't on top of that. And so, um, so like, it was just one of those days you get a letter and it's like, your heart drops. Who do you call after you get that letter? Call your CPA. You call, you call a licensed, well, you don't, not her. You call another attorney. You call a forensic accountant and then you figure out, okay, how, what happened? What did she say? Good luck.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  How? Would she even talk to you? I mean, it was comp, it, it was really, really complicated. Like it, it, it, so I was able, I was young enough to really, like be able to like, you know, I just, I cut her off. I changed, I canceled the account. We shut down the system. We shut down the bleeding. Um, and, and luckily I like, I immediately was like, hey, guys, like, like, we're good. Let me go. I'm just gonna go work for the next, whatever, however long to pay this off. And, uh, and so.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Other though, there were 13 others. I actually want to make a show about it.

• 47:34Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  I've actually been writing a show on this called, I'm not even gonna mention it yet.

• 47:38Graham Stephan?

  How do you, how do you not go after her criminally?

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Well, when the same person that you're trying to go after, after criminally is the same person you have to report the criminal filing to.

• 47:49Graham Stephan?

  Couldn't, couldn't you report it anywhere else?

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Has to, stay California, you have to do it in the area that she's licensed in.

• 47:56Graham Stephan?

  Couldn't you just have a lawyer do it on your behalf and it's, it's gonna be filed?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:59Graham Stephan?

  I'd be going after it every-

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Thousands of dollars, which you don't have at that point.

• 48:05Graham Stephan?

  Any lawyer would take that, any lawyer would take that on contingency.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Still your negligence.

• 48:09Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, you still owe it, but, but my point being is that if she, I've just as an example, got a hundred grand. I guarantee she has a hundred grand of assets that you could seize.

• 48:17Jack Selby?

  I think it's criminal, it's not, like, you would go both.

• 48:20Graham Stephan?

  You'd be going after her personally and potentially criminally.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Wired, it's not in her name, it's all like, it, it's, it's very complicated, like, I can't go into detail because this is still an ongoing investigation, like, we've, we've, we've, we've tracked it to offshore accounts, shell companies, like, no, this is a, we're not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, we're talking tens of millions of dollars.

• 48:42Graham Stephan?

  And once it's out of the country, there's really not much you could do and it's like-

• 48:46Speaker 02

  When you're targeting older actors and you're targeting people that like are structured pay and once they lose that foundation underneath them, they kinda just can't fight anymore. It's, it's super messed up.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  And this happens to millions of people.

• 49:03Graham Stephan?

  Did you talk to all of the other, like, victims of this?

• 49:06Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, no, no, we're all, we're all in connection, we're all still in contact, there's still a whole thing going on right now.

• 49:11Graham Stephan?

  But, but they're pursuing it?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  No, there's nothing to pursue.

• 49:14Graham Stephan?

  Dude, I'm telling, ugh.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  There's not, there's nothing to pursue, dude.

• 49:17Graham Stephan?

  Once, once the money goes beyond a certain point, you can't get it back.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  There's nothing there.

• 49:20Graham Stephan?

  But, but you could at least put this person behind bars. We, we know some great lawyers, I'm telling, I'm telling you.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  It's a little more complicated than that though, you, you think, you, yes, you can, but you're talking like years of litigation, years of appeals, years of forensic accountants, like, like-

• 49:39Graham Stephan?

  Okay, so the cost of that's probably gonna be in the millions and then it's like, can you recover? Probably not, what do you do? Put her in jail and then, yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  It's conf- it's it's again, though, this is very, very common, especially the young actors.

• 49:55Graham Stephan?

  That's mind blowing.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  And it happens every day. It's probably happening right now somewhere.

• 50:00Graham Stephan?

  So what's your advice to newer actors today when it comes to their finances?

• 50:05Speaker 02

  You know, record it, mark down every dollar, you know, keep track of it, you know, stay on top of it, you know, know where you're spending your money, how you're spending your money. I think technology today is getting stronger and stronger and where you can't hide money like he used to. Like used to is like, oh yeah, we have this stack of paper. Yeah, just get put it in a shelf. No one's gonna find it. Now today, it's more digitalized. I mean, again, you know, I do my best. I'm a fairly a frugal person.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  But like it's really about just knowing where your money, where your money's coming in and where your money's going out. And once you have those two basic things down, there's more learning, but if you know, you know where every dollar is going. Like I can tell you where every dollar that I have goes. Like down to how, where it came in to where it's going.

• 51:02Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. So where are you making most of your money today and how are you investing?

• 51:05Speaker 02

  Um, I make most of my money through speaking, speaking engagements. I shoot about a movie a year. I do a lot of, um, you know, I raise more funds though for nonprofits than I make, like by a lot. Which is how it should be. Uh, but most of my, most of my income comes from movies. I try to shoot a movie a year. Um, they're nothing crazy for the most part, low budget. But you know, that's kind of, it's about grinding, you know, and staying in it and staying active and constantly putting yourself out there for different projects like, like here today, you know, like, you know, people are going to see this and they're going to be inspired and who knows, you know, since

• 51:47Speaker 02

  we met with Ian and this and we've, we've kind of kept this waterfall effect going through this trip.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  And just enjoying it, you know?

• 51:57Graham Stephan?

  It is crazy how we got here. So for those that don't know, I saw Beast Games on Amazon. And it was Macy's idea to send Jeff, the winner, a DM on Instagram. I just sent him a DM and he was here a few days later to talk about it. And then we became really great friends with him. And then through them, we met Madged.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:16Graham Stephan?

  And he was also a winner on Mr. Beast. We became friends. And then through that, Ian Bick.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:22Graham Stephan?

  And then through Ian, us.

• 52:24Jack Selby?

  And then on top of that, after this, we're gonna go try the best steaks in the world with Joshua Weisman, who's here in Vegas and he invited us to go eat some steaks with him. We're like, oh, well, we're filming a podcast.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:35Jack Selby?

  You know, can we bring, can we bring RJ? And he's like, absolutely. Like, that sounds amazing. So now, like, it's weird, like, the cobweb.

• 52:42Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, you never know what's gonna happen.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  It's a very small world and I, I find if you treat everyone with, with grace and kindness and care, like, you really don't know how far it goes and, and the impacts I could have. And it's, it's definitely been a fun, uh, fun 24 hours.

• 52:59Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. So when you got your first big paycheck, though, for Breaking Bad.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:03Graham Stephan?

  What did you spend it on?

• 53:05Speaker 02

  I'd probably say it was in the second season, when I, when I got a nice, when I got my first nice check, like. And I, I bought me a pair of Louis Vuitton shoes.

• 53:15Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. I still have them today. I wear them. Yeah, I, I.

• 53:19Graham Stephan?

  You still wear them?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  I still, yeah, they still, they look brand new.

• 53:22Jack Selby?

  Why? How do they look brand new?

• 53:24Speaker 02

  I just took care of them. You don't take care of your shoes.

• 53:27Jack Selby?

  I guess not. No, not like that. Yeah, like that.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  No, that was one of my first, like, I, I honestly, you know, collect a lot of things. Like, I pretty much have everything that I've ever significantly been given or got myself since I was, like, nine. And I've carried this stuff around the country.

• 53:48Graham Stephan?

  Do you have, like, a ton of things, then?

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:52Jack Selby?

  What do you have?

• 53:56Speaker 02

  I got lots of things. No, um, so like, I mean, as far as like, what, like Breaking Bad stuff? Like, I got a bunch of meth from the show.

• 54:04Jack Selby?

  Okay.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Like, but like from season one.

• 54:06Jack Selby?

  Okay, so it's like matured as time has gone on. It's like a fine wine.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  I don't know about that. Still rock candy. Um, I have like my crutches. Um, you know, I have, I have those shoes I bought. I have like, you know, memorabilia.

• 54:20Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  I always, I, I, when I'm given like art and stuff, I can't throw it away. I, I, I went to try to clear out some stuff and I felt so guilty when I tried to throw this one piece. I'm like, I, I can't, I put it back in the box. I'm like, you know, I always want to have that. If one day I run into them and they're like, hey, remember that thing I gave you? I can say without, without like question, yes, I do still have it. It's, it's in my, it's, it's in my storage.

• 54:53Jack Selby?

  That's dangerous because now I feel like most people, when they see it, they'd be like, okay, if I ever see him, I gotta give him something because he'll hold on to it forever. You're just gonna have people like creating lines, just giving you a new thing.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  It's, it's quite, it's quite the way. But, but, um, I'm a collector. Like I have all my original Pokemon cards since I was a child. Like, like, like every pack that I opened when I was like nine years old and they're all still in mint condition.

• 55:19Jack Selby?

  Do you, what sort of Breaking Bad memorabilia did you keep?

• 55:22Speaker 02

  I have my crutches.

• 55:24Jack Selby?

  That's cool.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  And they're, they're pretty sick. Um, I, you know, I have, I have like a, I have a Heisenberg hat. Got some pairs of underwear. I have some of my clothes. Um, you know, we, um, you know, I, I took, well, really the only thing I truly wanted, um, after the show was my crutches. That was like my big, my big one grab was like, at the end of the series, these are mine.

• 55:50Jack Selby?

  So was it, did anyone fight you on that? They're like, well, I kind of want it, like the grip. Did you, how do you, how do you sneak things away off of set?

• 55:58Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. And do they allow you to take these or do people just kind of like take?

• 56:01Speaker 02

  You know that, you know that saying it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission? So, so I kind of asked the right people was like, hey, you think this is going to cause a problem? And they're like.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Do it. I was like, okay. And, and then a few years later, the Smithsonian wanted him. Um, and I was like, no, I'm kidding them.

• 56:25Jack Selby?

  And you just like, you just store them?

• 56:27Speaker 02

  I have them, yeah.

• 56:28Jack Selby?

  Do you ever use them?

• 56:29Speaker 02

  No, no, they're, they're memorabilia. I, I keep them.

• 56:33Graham Stephan?

  Why wouldn't you give it to the Smithsonian, though, for display?

• 56:36Speaker 02

  They're mine.

• 56:37Graham Stephan?

  Couldn't you give it on a loan?

• 56:39Speaker 02

  No, they don't do consignment.

• 56:40Jack Selby?

  Oh, really?

• 56:41Speaker 02

  At all. They have to own it.

• 56:42Jack Selby?

  But they're missing out. I mean, these are like...

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Well, they have another pair, but they're not the originals. You know? I, I think about this. I used these crutches for seven years straight. Like, I was on those crutches for seven years. And like, they, they, they just, I, I had a hard time, like, when they were like, I, I thought about giving them. You know, I thought about, like, yeah. And then I was like,

• 57:08Speaker 02

  I was like, man, I, I, I'd rather have them with me. I know they're saying...

• 57:13Jack Selby?

  It makes sense. You, it's not like something that was kind of fly by night. Like, this was something that you held on to for a long, long time.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:20Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 57:20Graham Stephan?

  What about Heisenberg's hat?

• 57:23Speaker 02

  So I don't have an original, I don't have an original Heisenberg hat. Brian has his hat. But I have the same guy who made the, I forget the style of cap. Not a bowler cap, but, but that, that, that type of hat, the hatmaker who made all of them, we have like a box. It's like, it has a photo of Brian as Heisenberg with the glasses. And it's like a yellow top and has this gorgeous hat in it.

• 57:48Jack Selby?

  That has to be crazy valuable. Like, the authentic crutches, like, a hat, like, that's...

• 57:55Graham Stephan?

  What do you think it's worth? Have you been offered money for it before?

• 57:59Speaker 02

  I, I did get offered some money for it.

• 58:01Jack Selby?

  The crutches gotta be, they have to be over a hundred grand.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was over a hundred.

• 58:05Graham Stephan?

  A hundred thousand dollars?

• 58:06Jack Selby?

  They have to be.

• 58:07Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  I got, I got offered a, I don't exactly remember the amount, but I do remember it was very significant.

• 58:13Graham Stephan?

  Is there a price where you would say, all right, a million dollars for the crutches? Two million?

• 58:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:20Graham Stephan?

  Wow.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:21Graham Stephan?

  I think movie memorabilia is so cool to buy and collect. I remember the original Beetlejuice book uh went up for auction and it sold at some crazy price.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  The guide, right? The guide?

• 58:32Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, but it sold some crazy price, but I think stuff like that is so cool to collect. It's one of a kind. It's so memorable. We were watching Gremlins the other night and I was thinking, how cool would it be to get an original little gremlin?

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Like a, like a original gizmo?

• 58:45Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, my dream would be able to get something from the nightmare before Christmas. Like one of the actual little.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  Stock motion guys?

• 58:53Graham Stephan?

  Stock motion.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  Like a jack skeleton?

• 58:54Graham Stephan?

  I would do anything. Uh uh to get one of those little things are about like this tall. I would do anything for, I'm sure they would sell for a stupid price, but I can't see how that uh wouldn't be worth a ton of money in the future. I, I love that.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  I, I mean, I, I think again, though, it's all, it's all about perspective. Um. But I, you know, why don't you just like hit up Tim Burton and be like, hey, you mind making me a little jack skeleton?

• 59:19Graham Stephan?

  So what's funny is I uh met Danny Elfman.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 59:22Graham Stephan?

  At his warehouse and he had them everywhere. And I couldn't help but just think, oh my God, I, like all the little ones just around. All the memorabilia from all of his films were just with Tim Burton were there. And just to be able to look and be like, that was it.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  How special is that?

• 59:39Graham Stephan?

  Insane.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Like I, I, you know, I, I'm one of those people, I, I tell my family, it's gonna be my will. No one, it's gonna be like, no one's allowed to sell my stuff. Even after I'm dead. Yeah, I, I, I, I'm, I'm already putting it in there. I'm like, no one's allowed to like, I'm gonna like, it's gonna be like a little museum. It's like, it's, it's all yours. I'm not here. It's all yours, but.

• 1:00:01Graham Stephan?

  But see, if you put them in the Breaking Bad house that you purchase behind some glass, could just be an artifact that people walk in.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  That's some money right there.

• 1:00:10Jack Selby?

  That, you could get such a good ROI on that.

• 1:00:13Graham Stephan?

  I really do.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  But like, but like, the thing is though, is like, what would be like, how long before return? What's your initial investment? Like, cause you know, we're talking, we're, she still wants $4 million and that's not including the uh, the real estate fee and the tax.

• 1:00:28Graham Stephan?

  I bet you could, I bet you could negotiate.

• 1:00:29Jack Selby?

  Negotiate the price down. She would sell to you cheaper than she would sell to like

• 1:00:33Graham Stephan?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:00:34Jack Selby?

  To other people.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  I mean, possibly, maybe like a, a, a hundred year, uh, lease purchase. Uh, uh, where it's like, okay, hey, look, we're gonna do this. I want to pay you four million dollars in my lifetime.

• 1:00:48Graham Stephan?

  So, speaking of money, though, you've said before that you respect money, but you don't like what it does to people. I'm curious, how have you seen money?

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  I hate money.

• 1:00:56Graham Stephan?

  How have you seen money corrupt people in Hollywood?

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Hollywood, you mean the world. Like, like, literally, like, you know, money is a tool. Like, I, I look at money as, you know, it's, it's a tool. It's, it's sadly a necessity in life. We, we need money to survive. It doesn't matter who you are, unless you are rural, local, native, populate, like, you know, there's, there's people that have lived a certain way for hundreds of years, you know? But in a modern day society, you know, capital, money, you can't do anything without it, pretty much. You can't, you, you have to have these structures. And sadly, people, like, as you offer, like, what's my number, right? You're like, a mill, two mil.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  People do have numbers, sadly. And, and what someone is willing to do for the right number never ceases to amaze me. And, and people will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is. And, and, you know, growing up, I've always worked. I've never, I've never not had a job in my life. Even as like a, like, five-year-old kid, uh, I would be like chores around the house. Let me go help pick fruit. Let me go do this. Let me go, whatever, whatever it may have been. Um, I always, I always liked working. And

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  And so for me, it's not about necessarily like I need money to survive, but I enjoy the working. I enjoy the camaraderie. I enjoy what what I'm doing out there. And money just helps it get that way. But I don't really set a number for myself. It's does it have, does it make sense? Are we helping people? Are we changing lives? Are we having an impact? And then it also goes the opposite way, you know, with with what's your number? What what would you be willing to do?

• 1:02:52Jack Selby?

  We do this all the time. It gets it gets horrible.

• 1:02:56Graham Stephan?

  Dude, this is our favorite, the most depraved things in the car of like, yo, what would you do that for? Like 50 grand, 100 grand? And we always get to a number where we're like, all right, I gotta say.

• 1:03:05Jack Selby?

  Graham's numbers for some pretty like sus things are pretty low. I'm willing to put that out there, guys.

• 1:03:11Graham Stephan?

  You know what's funny?

• 1:03:12Jack Selby?

  They're surprisingly low.

• 1:03:14Graham Stephan?

  Jack paid me once. I thought it was the easiest money ever. We have it on video, licking a moldy bagel.

• 1:03:20Jack Selby?

  And it was right on the mold.

• 1:03:22Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, and it was blue mold. And I said 15 bucks. And Jack says, all right, you have to leave it on there for how many seconds?

• 1:03:28Jack Selby?

  Yeah, I said you have to leave it on there.

• 1:03:30Graham Stephan?

  Like five seconds, like $15 for five seconds is a great ROI. And I just do it and I feel some like burning sensation on my tongue.

• 1:03:39Jack Selby?

  Like, you know what's funny is what is $15 doing for you?

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• 1:04:42Jack Selby?

  I don't regret doing it. I don't. That's crazy, dude, because that could be why you are the way that you are. Because of mold? I don't know, man. That can have some long-term ramifications. I just licked it.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  It's killing, you know?

• 1:04:55Jack Selby?

  I licked it and then I just washed my mouth afterwards. It was so easy. I'm just saying fifteen dollars to Graham now, it's like, like he can refresh his Schwab account and instantly, in like literally the millisecond, in the millisecond he refreshes it, it could vary by probably a thousand dollars. It's not gonna make any... It was so easy to do.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  It's not, see, that's where, that's where people mix up. It's not about the money or how much the money. It's, it's just about, it's the action of it. It's the bet of it.

• 1:05:21Jack Selby?

  No, it's just the ratio. That's all it is. To Graham, it was literally like, if I can make fifteen dollars in five seconds, then my, my minute wage is this, my hour wage is this, and that's higher than I make when I'm editing. Yes, exactly. And it's like, dude, I just... Exactly. Per hour, that's a really high amount per hour.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  I mean, that is, that is, if you, if you take that to minutes, to, to hours, to, to months, that is quite enough.

• 1:05:46Jack Selby?

  He could make a career and be a billionaire by just licking moldy bagels with that. If I could just do that for eight hours a day, straight, for fifteen dollars.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Let's make sure your health insurance and life insurance policies in check for that, though. But going back to, to that point about my comment, people, desperate people, you know? Money, money doesn't, like, people with money or people that have power with money don't freely give anything. It all comes at a cost. And when you have someone that desperately needs it, that's willing to do anything, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power. And, and, you know, whether that person is willing to give up, who they are willing to, to be to get that power. You know, and, and we see it in social media, you know, you, you, with, with videos and YouTube and stuff,

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  people that like hurt themselves sometimes to get the sensationalism is, is in my opinion, like, it's a dangerous game.

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• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  People that like hurt themselves sometimes to get the sensationalism is, is in my opinion, like, it's a dangerous game.

• 1:09:37Jack Selby?

  I agree with that. I think that acquiring money for the sake of just simply having money is where it starts to get dicey. If you think that money in and of itself is of value, instead of seeing money as a tool or a vessel to get something else, to help other people, to be able to provide for your family, to be able to go on a trip. Maybe it's been years since you've been on a trip and you're like, well, if I get this amount of money, I can now do that. Instead of just like getting money for the sake of it. I saw this one video that went super viral. It's unfortunately hilarious, but it's also bad. This guy pays another guy like 100 bucks to drink a little bit of Ipecac.

• 1:10:10Graham Stephan?

  Oh, I saw that.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Graham Stephan?

  That's dude, that's like 20 years ago.

• 1:10:13Jack Selby?

  Yeah, but that, that video like too, like it grosses you out and it also is kind of like.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  I always think of the Family Guy episode.

• 1:10:21Jack Selby?

  What's that one?

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  With the Ipecac.

• 1:10:24Jack Selby?

  I don't remember that.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  Where they all drink the Ipecac and they're throwing up all over the.

• 1:10:27Jack Selby?

  I haven't seen that.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:10:29Jack Selby?

  I gotta check that out.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  That's what initially that video I feel comes from, but yeah. No, it, it, when you start putting yourself in harm to make a quick buck, like the mold.

• 1:10:40Graham Stephan?

  I don't think that's harmful though. See, if I, if I genuinely thought I'd be like sick or out the day, I wouldn't do it.

• 1:10:46Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  No, but, but, but like, take that scenario times 50 or times 100 of whatever that is. People do do stuff like that though, like.

• 1:10:57Jack Selby?

  We asked Togi recently, it was like a viral clip. He's a gambling, like fitness influencer sort of guy. We asked him if he'd remove a pinky finger for $10 million and he said he'd, he'd like remove his foot if he could. For ten million dollars. And this guy makes a lot of money.

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  I mean, you could buy a lot of feet for ten million.

• 1:11:16Jack Selby?

  That's a good point. I didn't think about that.

• 1:11:17Graham Stephan?

  It reminded me, though, I did get paid to eat a snail.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:22Graham Stephan?

  In Japan. I didn't want to eat the snail.

• 1:11:23Jack Selby?

  Was it an edible snail?

• 1:11:24Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, it was cooked in garlic.

• 1:11:26Jack Selby?

  And that's, that's okay.

• 1:11:27Graham Stephan?

  But I didn't want to eat it. And then a buddy was like, I'll pay you ten bucks to eat it. And I said, sure.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  See, growing up, my dad would do the same to me all the time. Like, he was, he was always like, he'd be like, here, eat this, eat this fat. I'm like, I'm gonna say, I'll give you a hundred bucks.

• 1:11:41Graham Stephan?

  We do that with wasabi all the time. It's like, eat the whole thing of wasabi, twenty bucks.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  Twenty bucks. But, you know, I think there's a game, a friendly game of it. But then there's the, the darker version of that. And that's, and that's where the, the power is. And it's like, what would you, because you know, it's, we're, we're talking like twenty bucks, a hundred, like a hundred bucks. But there are people that are doing this with hundreds of millions of dollars.

• 1:12:08Jack Selby?

  It's a squid game, hunger game.

• 1:12:11Graham Stephan?

  But, but how is that, that much different from working a job? Like a high-paid, high-stress job that you're really dislike, but it pays you two hundred grand a year?

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  I mean, there's a lot of people that live in lives that hate their jobs, but they stay because they, it's, it's kind of an endless circle. You know, I, I've definitely done jobs that I did not want to do. But I did it because it was, it was, I was free and there was pain. Like, it, like.

• 1:12:41Graham Stephan?

  Well, then it's a win-win.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  It's a win-win.

• 1:12:43Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  But I find you cannot, once you start questioning your morals, like, like, I, I believe everyone has a moral compass. And, and sometimes it doesn't always point the way it should. But I believe once you start sacrificing who you are and like, what, when you start sacrificing your dreams to chase something else, like chasing someone else's dream, chasing someone else's money, when you start losing what made you you and what, what made you have passion or art? Because people get in the industry and they struggle.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  The acting industry is not like a very like welcoming and warm industry. Everyone's, we're all competing for the similar job. We're all, there's one role that we're all trying to get, right?

• 1:13:30Jack Selby?

  It's a zero sum game.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and so like, everyone's fighting for that one big break. And, and it's then it's like, okay, you had the big break. Where's the next big break? Where's the next big break? And people were like, okay, well, I'll be willing to do this if I can get into this movie or I can get on this show. Where, and it's not just money.

• 1:13:51Jack Selby?

  Are we talking like predatory behavior of like that, that, that sort of stuff?

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, I mean, but that all is all money related. It's all based in money. It's all based in capital. And, and what are you willing to do to be on this show? What are you willing to do to get what you want? And I, I find you always have to stay true to yourself. And I know that's some lame thing that people say, but it's the reality of it. Cause once you start losing who you are as a person, what makes you you? You've lost the game.

• 1:14:24Jack Selby?

  Were you ever presented with any moral dilemmas like that? Where you had to like think inwardsly? Okay, well, what, what is the ethical thing to do here?

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  I, I, I had a moment where I had some people approach me and I, they're like, come with us. We're going to make you a star. And I said, no. And that was the last time I modeled.

• 1:14:46Jack Selby?

  So what would, what did they want?

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  I'm not going into detail, but I, I, I stopped it before like.

• 1:14:54Jack Selby?

  You could sense it was going on.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  I knew, I knew they wanted something that I was not willing to pay. You know, it's, there's something in life that we, we have and, and how far are you willing to go? You know, Breaking Bad is a great example of how far are you willing to go to get what you want? Is either for your family, for, for power, for whatever it is? How far are you willing to go? And, and for me, I've always kind of had like, um, like, uh, I'm not going to step past it.

• 1:15:23Graham Stephan?

  How common do you think that is? And do you think it's more common with with men or women? Or do you think it's equal?

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  You know, I think it's a fine line. I don't think it's because like it's not it's not a it's not a sex based thing. In my opinion, it's a it's a it's a power. Again, it's it's power, it's money, it's fame. It's it's all these things, the sex drugs and rock and roll of of of what are you willing to do to be at top? What are you willing to do to be a star? And there are certain people that like you see it happen where it's like they're a hit. And everyone comes from you and it's sharks, you know, blend the water, the sharks come, they eat, everyone gets fed. And hopefully you stay the biggest shark until another day a bigger shark comes and eats you.

• 1:16:08Graham Stephan?

  Sounds really stressful.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  I love what I do.

• 1:16:11Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  I love I I get to do amazing things around the world. You know, I I work with numerous charities globally and and it it definitely is stressful. But when you can see change in the world that you've done like and knowing like I I've seen where my work was when I started with Breaking Bad in disability communities and advocacy and awareness to today. Like I I feel very proud of all the people that I've worked with and all the teams and organizations and nonprofits that we've we've worked with and helped and raised funds. And we I I raise about, I'd probably say two to three million dollars a year and not for nonprofits.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  And and right annually. And and so like being able to see that change is is, in my opinion, the most valuable thing in this world.

• 1:17:07Graham Stephan?

  Could you shout out some of those nonprofits right now? We could leave links down below in the description.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm a big supporter of Shiner's Hospitals for Children. I was a Shiner's kid when I was younger. I went to Shiner's Hospital from from two to 18 and they do amazing things, not just for people with disabilities, but but just across the board for families. United Civil Policy, I'm actually gonna go in the next couple of weeks to do it for United Civil Policy, San Diego, but they're national, you know, these both, both of these organizations are nationally. And then I work with lots of local municipalities. And, and you know, I've done stuff with the UN in like Eastern Europe and Germany. And but those are my, those are my main two I like to, I like to shout out.

• 1:17:53Jack Selby?

  And I'm curious, in terms of investing, do you invest in like stocks, ETFs, real estate?

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  A good REIT, a good REIT goes a long way.

• 1:18:02Jack Selby?

  Okay.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  Uh, sorry, what were you about to say?

• 1:18:04Jack Selby?

  Bitcoin?

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  I, I, I missed the biggest bullet of my life in 2009, man. I remember being at Hollywood Tower. I don't know if y'all, y'all know where Hollywood Tower is off of, um, by the, by the 101 freeway. My friends live there. And I remember being at this, um, this, this radio, um, I forget what radio station it was, but they would have these concerts and stuff. And this dude's telling me about Bitcoin. He's like, you gotta get it right now. It's gonna revolutionize, blah, blah, blah, like all the things. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  And I don't know, I thought I bought some. I might have a laptop with some on it somewhere that I really hope that I find one day. Uh, but I, I missed it. But like, I like Ethereum. I, I, I do do a little gambling, like Chiba Inu.

• 1:19:01Jack Selby?

  Did you make money on it?

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  No, I, I mean, I think, I, I, well, well, I, I, um, I'd probably stay up on like 20% on my crypto market. I don't have a lot of crypto. Like, we're not, we're talking like a couple of Gs. We're not talking like, like tons of money. I'm, um, I'm very careful with my personal funds as far as investing. Professionally, I, I, with the companies I work, we have different firms and stuff. And I've been the treasurer for many organizations over the years. Um, is, and you know, I'm a big fan of, of, of due diligence and transparency and, and. Um, most of my work I do, it's like, oh, if here it is, it's publicly. Um, but Charles Schwab.

• 1:19:43Jack Selby?

  Good.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Jack Selby?

  Yeah, they're great.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  I lo- I love them. I've, I've had an account with them for a decade and I.

• 1:19:49Jack Selby?

  Do you have a Charles Schwab guy, like a guy you reach out to?

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  No, I just do it.

• 1:19:53Jack Selby?

  We have a guy on the inside. We can put you in contact with him. He's great if you need.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  It's kind of like, I just, I, I, I, I like to, I, I treat my stock count like gambling. So I like penny stocks.

• 1:20:05Jack Selby?

  No.

• 1:20:05Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 1:20:06Jack Selby?

  Are you serious?

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm one of those guys.

• 1:20:09Jack Selby?

  How do you get your penny stocks? Like, where do you find them?

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Um, so lately I've been using ChatGPT to do a lot of the research. I say, hey, find me these types of dividend stocks. These, find me these types of structures with large cap capital and no debt. And I then have it pull up companies that have, like, I have, I've gotten some that have a 1200X on it. Like, I'm not, we're not talking like a lot of money, but like, like it went from a, I bought like 200 of it and now it's like 800 bucks.

• 1:20:39Jack Selby?

  Do you, do you, do you have like index funds?

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  I have a couple.

• 1:20:43Jack Selby?

  Do you have, uh, any real estate?

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I have, I want, one, I, I don't like to, I also don't like to plug, plug like capital stuff, but, um, there's like a couple. I look for, for like index funds or real estate funds that again have high asset allocations that, that has minimal debt and that show, um, gross income coming in. And so, I mean, I, you can't go wrong if they're making money, right? And so, so I look at it across the board of, okay, is it losing money, but it has a high asset valuation? Or is it gaining money and have a low asset valuation? And so I always tend to choose something with assets, you know, something with tangible resources and growth potential.

• 1:21:32Graham Stephan?

  Very interesting. Well, you gotta teach Jack a thing or two about that.

• 1:21:36Jack Selby?

  It's a different strategy.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  Very different. It's almost, it's kinda like gambling.

• 1:21:39Jack Selby?

  It sounds like it, you know, typically with penny.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  I'm a whole, I'm a long-term holder. So like, I'm someone that like, I, I, I have this one stock. It's a interstellar mining company. They have rights to asteroids.

• 1:21:54Graham Stephan?

  How, how do you even get a right to an asteroid?

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  You, you file for the right to asteroid.

• 1:21:59Jack Selby?

  File who?

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  With the government.

• 1:22:01Jack Selby?

  China, like Russia?

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  The aerospace.

• 1:22:03Jack Selby?

  But how do we know America owns it instead of like?

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  No, no one owns it. That's the thing.

• 1:22:07Jack Selby?

  Exactly. But then how do they own it?

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  No one owns these flying, flying rocks. So like, you have to, so like, it's, it's like, so NASA identifies these types of structures. And you have all this like extrater, like, like space. And they can hit it with certain telescopes. So you have asteroids that are made out of solid gold.

• 1:22:26Graham Stephan?

  But how do you get money off this?

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  So over the next 30 years, um, like they're gonna mine these things.

• 1:22:32Graham Stephan?

  With what?

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  With drone, drone hives, structured stuff. They're gonna break all pieces, drop it, some of it allegedly in orbit.

• 1:22:40Graham Stephan?

  I would sell, man. I would get out of this thing.

• 1:22:44Jack Selby?

  But how do we know that like, they have the right?

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  We don't.

• 1:22:48Graham Stephan?

  This is a great business to be in.

• 1:22:50Jack Selby?

  Is this, is this a large percentage of your portfolio?

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:22:54Jack Selby?

  If it's money that you're comfortable playing around with, you know?

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  But we're talking like, like it's, it's increasing value. But again, I don't, I, most of my, most of my income that I make, it literally, I make it myself. Um, as far as like my stock stuff in my portfolio, I use it with long-term, like, like I got a couple, like million shares of some stuff for a hundred bucks. But like, like, you know what I mean? Like?

• 1:23:20Graham Stephan?

  He's buying like 30% of the company, but 500.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  I love Monopoly.

• 1:23:24Jack Selby?

  Are you, are you like, like a, like more than 50% owner of any of these?

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:23:30Graham Stephan?

  He has like 300 bucks.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  Well, the one, the one that I'm talking about, UC Mattress Warehouse.

• 1:23:37Jack Selby?

  He's buying like some kids lemonade stand.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, dude, man. There's this hustler, there's, there's these two kids in South Dakota who sell the best lemonade. Like, great.

• 1:23:47Jack Selby?

  All right. Do you, do you have, do you have any desire to also have some like, like other more conservative investments? Like an index fund or anything?

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  No, I, I, I do like, you know, like S and P type stuff. And like, you know, I, I mean, for the most part, like, I, I do, um, I do consultant for, for different firms and stuff like that. Joking aside, like financially, like I, I, I'm, those are my joke ones. But like, you know, it's for me, it's all about like long-term structured growth. We reinvest dividends. You know, power, utility stuff, structure like that.

• 1:24:24Jack Selby?

  Okay. Yeah. I was just, I was just curious. So as long as, like, you could do all that stuff as long as you're also doing like.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  No, yeah, no, I, I'm, I'm, um, my, I, look, I'm not rich or anything. Everyone always assumes, everyone assumes I'm loaded, but like I, I work hard for every dollar I have. And, and since I, over the past 20 years of learning in finance and doing different structures and running boards, there's certain things that like, you know where to invest. And then there's the gambling.

• 1:24:59Jack Selby?

  Do people, do people ever hit you up for money because they see you on the show and they're like, dude, you must have.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  All the time. When the first, when the show first came out, someone hit me up to pay for their son's rehab. And like, like blamed us and like a whole thing about like the show. And it's like, we've just had one episode.

• 1:25:21Jack Selby?

  One episode and they already were.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Coming down pretty hard on it in the beginning, you know? But like, I, you know, I'm really good about protecting myself. I have a very tight knit family. I don't really do anything or put myself to, I, I really don't, I do my best to keep my, um, keep myself out of vulnerable positions, you know?

• 1:25:44Jack Selby?

  Do you have any financial goals?

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, to just, no.

• 1:25:49Graham Stephan?

  That mining stock.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  That mining stock.

• 1:25:52Jack Selby?

  I'm telling you what, though. If you end up, I should sell all of my gold right now because you're gonna devalue the heck out of gold. If we have an asteroid that's made out 24 karat gold and it comes down.

• 1:26:04Graham Stephan?

  I want to invest in this company.

• 1:26:05Jack Selby?

  Basically, anyone that's holding gold right now, the gold will be, yeah, it'll become worthless.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  Well, it's a little more complicated than that. There, I, gold will always have value.

• 1:26:13Jack Selby?

  I agree.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  It's in all the technologies. Like, it's in your cars, it's in your phones, it's in this microphone here.

• 1:26:18Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, but your asteroid could bring it down like 50%.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Or raise technology, because we use some little gold. Imagine if we had more of it to create stronger technology.

• 1:26:27Jack Selby?

  That's true. You could hedge your asteroid gold position with like some somey stuff.

• 1:26:32Speaker 02

  Biotech. Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:34Graham Stephan?

  You could put Bitcoin mining facilities on the asteroid.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  Well, it's cooling.

• 1:26:38Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  Anyways.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  No, but, you know, I think it's really, when it comes to investments, you always have to have due diligence. You always have to do your research and structure and like, like I, I find, again, knowing where your money's coming in and where your go, your money's going out, like really managing that. There's a lot of people that don't know where their assets are going. And there's a lot of money that just like, it's like, oh, you know, oh, there's a dollar here and a dollar there and a dollar there. But over time, those dollars really add up and, you know, knowing what your bills are, what your structured system is, and the life that you want to live. You know, you mentioned financial goals earlier. I, I do, and I do have a lot of financial goals that I'm working towards and,

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  you know, I'm a big fan of like real estate and stuff. Like, I, I have a property. I lived in California, never could afford a house in California, but moved into Texas within a year, bought a home. And so, um, you know, I, I think having strong assets are key in your life. And, you know, Pokemon cards don't, don't hurt, you know, they, they apparently.

• 1:27:48Graham Stephan?

  They've been going up a lot this last year, apparently.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  But um, you know, really creating kind of a steady, stable portfolio income based structure, you know, my, my overall goal for me over the next like 15 years is to really just get a nice portfolio where it has regularly structured systems and kind of just making where it's like, okay, I don't have to go take that job next Tuesday.

• 1:28:12Graham Stephan?

  So what do you think separates actors who have really long, great careers versus those who fade out?

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  I think it varies depending on the actor. I mean, you know, I, I think it also depends on the civilization and the time that we're in, you know, what, you know, if we look at actors going back since the creation of, of television specifically, you know, you look at the, the starlets of, of 1940s and 50s and 60s and 70s to the starlets today, it, it's, it's a different market. It's generational growth. It's a different type of, of either a resurgence or a desurgence of like industry. And, you know, I, I find it's about being consistent, showing up on time, knowing your lines, being,

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  again, punctuality is like so important in the industry because if, if you miss a day, like, like it was about $25,000 a day for Breaking Bad. So if you messed up that day, that's 25, that's, that's, that's time and money. Like you're, you're, you're, everyone's hurting. And so, and that can come from the smallest little thing and having a strong chain of people that really work together, that show up on time, that keep pushing forward. I think that's what makes, that's where you see these actors that are, that are popping off and then right place at the right time. One thing I learned and I was told at a young

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  age, life is, the most important thing is, is when readiness meets opportunity. I don't know if y'all ever heard this, but, but you know, we're so often not ready, but we have the opportunity. And then we're so often ready, but there's no opportunity. And I find when that iron strikes and you're ready to strike it and that opportunity comes and you're ready for it, that's where you launch and that's where you grow from.

• 1:30:08Graham Stephan?

  How important are relationships in networking? Like, how much is it who you know?

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  I mean, how else did I get here? Like, you know what I mean? This is a great example of networking right now. From Ian to here to to late, like, you know, I I think it's it's about networking. But not just networking and partying and doing all the things, but networking in a way that puts you in a light where people see your assets versus like, oh, that's that guy. Yeah, we see, we see him all the time. Versus like, oh, he's coming through, you know, but like, there are these stars out like, you know, like, if you, when you see Brian walk into a room, right, it's a thing. It's not like, it's not some simple, like, some random dude walking into the room. It's like, um, like an energy.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  And that's something that over time, you you grow and you learn with and and you create this energy and I think like through trial and error, but being at the right place and the right time with carrying yourself properly and carrying yourself in a way that that actually helps the community.

• 1:31:21Graham Stephan?

  Now, does playing Walt Jr. make it harder to get other work in the future? Or does it make it? Does it open doors?

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  So hard, man. Like, like, it opened a lot of doors. But, I mean, you're still Walt Jr. Regardless, like, you know, I I was so young on that show. And so that was kind of like everyone else, you know, Brian and and Betsy and Anna, they've all had years of experience in shows and movies before they, Breaking Bad, was it, like,

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  a show that changed everything, right? And for me, that was kind of like the like, that was like my first experience of actually being a speaking role and and having that ability to to walk into this. So for me, I kind of like where everyone else kept building, I kind of had to go back. I had to, after the show was done, I kind of had to back step into like a guest star role or smaller parts that that weren't so, because they're like, no, he's great, he's great, but he he looks like Walt Jr. And it's like, no one, as an actor, you can't carry that, you you don't want to carry your roles in every role, you know? And so for me, I've I've worked really hard in selecting my movies

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  that really highlight my acting ability versus just they hired me because of. I was watching her. I was on Breaking Bad.

• 1:32:45Graham Stephan?

  But you know what? Bryan Cranston did a great job because when I first watched Breaking Bad, the first few episodes, I couldn't get it out of my mind that this isn't Hal from Malcolm in the Middle. And I was like, that's the dad from Malcolm in the Middle. And it took me maybe a half a season to get that out of my head. Like, he transitioned that really, really, really well. Same with Ed O'Neill.

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:07Graham Stephan?

  I would think of him from Married with Children, nonstop. And it took a long time, but he was able to. Even now, I still think, ah, that's Married. But he did it very successfully.

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  But it takes time.

• 1:33:20Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  And it takes like, it takes continuously watching, being like, okay, okay, that's this character, not, no longer that character. And I think it just, having more episodes and more shows. But like, you know, if you look at Bryan and you look at Ed, they've had years of other shows and movies that no one ever knows of, you know? And it's not about, you know.

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• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  It's about getting that one.

• 1:34:22Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  And being ready for it when you get it, that catapults you into that next thing. And that's kind of where I'm working on right now is trying to find a show that fits me. I shoot like two movies a year.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  But but something that really is that next step and it's kind of but it's really hard to to make another Breaking Bad again, you know, you don't.

• 1:34:43Jack Selby?

  Well, I don't think there will ever be.

• 1:34:44Speaker 02

  No, it's impossible.

• 1:34:45Jack Selby?

  But I've seen with quite a few people like Macaulay Culkin.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Jack Selby?

  Like after Home Alone, like he's been in plenty of movies since then, like I'll see him, he's a great job. Same thing as like oddly enough Nat Wolfe, if you know who that is.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  The name sounds.

• 1:34:57Jack Selby?

  Naked Brothers Band, like he was that when he was a kid and they had a TV show and then since then, like he's been in some really interesting movies since then.

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  But you look at how long after that though.

• 1:35:06Jack Selby?

  It was yeah.

• 1:35:07Graham Stephan?

  It's almost like a change of appearance though. Macaulay Culkin really changed from being a kid to now.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  But but there's always like this gap of societal transition. Cause they love you so much as this role.

• 1:35:21Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

  And then you're thirty, you know, it's like it's like you were you were a child then and now you're an adult. So the transition is almost like a shock.

• 1:35:30Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, same with Harry Potter, Daniel Radcliffe.

• 1:35:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like look at his content though, like he does some some really far out movies and it's I find it's all about stretching that view of you. And and breaking that breaking that barrier of like, okay, you were this character for so long and we love this character and we want more of this, but oh, let's see this. Eh, oh, and then they go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then five years later, they go back to that movie and go, you know, I really like that movie.

• 1:36:02Graham Stephan?

  So what do you think though with the future of acting right now with AI and being able to clone people's voices and aesthetics? Like for for background actors, you could theoretically like I think in the new News Gladiator, like a lot of those people just complete AI.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  CGI, yeah, AI, um. I think it every everything serves a purpose and and again, as I look at as money as a tool, AI is a tool. Do I do I think it can replace everyone? No. Do I think it will change?

• 1:36:42Speaker 02

  How we do things, how we see things, the information that we receive, very big, very big way. Um, I, I think though, it's, it's.

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  As the industry comes together, right? And you know, you see like AI boycotts, like for voice acting and you see these structures of like, of, of, of the union pushing back on AI. I, I think we need a better understanding. I think the technology is still so fresh and so new and it's growing rapidly. I, I think it's about being able to still protect artists.

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  But using different capacities to do that, you know, with the dot com, everyone like computers were created. No one, no one like wanted computers. No one wanted the structure, like people like, these are just a fade. Uh, and now they're essential in our everyday life. We carry a computer every day. I, I, I think it's a double edged sword, but as every industry grows and changes, I think, we have to rise above it, you know, as an artist, as someone that protects our brands, our art, our, our who we are. I, I don't believe AI can replace us. I, I, I think that that is impossible. Like.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  There's something about humanity that nothing else in this world, in this, this galaxy, whatever, like we are very unique. In one phase that we continue, no matter what, we grow, we evolve, we adapt. So as we evolve and adapt and as this new emerging industry of technology evolves and adapt and creates new problems, we create problems to fix it and identifying the issues, identifying the structures and being able to utilize it in a way that is conducive for growth in art versus being. Replacing art, you know?

• 1:38:43Jack Selby?

  I'm curious, do you, do you find any issue with non-disabled people playing disabled people in TV shows and movies? And what about dwarves? Cause I know that there was like this big thing. I don't know what the, that politically correct term. Little people, little people, people that aren't little people playing little people.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  This is how I look at able-bodied actors playing disabled roles. I, I think that if you can hire someone with a disability for a role that highlights a disability, you should always do that. Now, with that being said, if you're going to get someone like a Brad Pitt to play something, the amount of media you're going to get for that, either positive or negative, is going to raise a question, right? It's going to be thought provoking. It's going to inspire, it's going to be like, yo, we, we need more change on this. We need social this, we need structure on this, we need these opportunities. And, and I feel that in the industry, we kind of go through these phases of where we see

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  a increase of people with disabilities and act, well, not, not necessarily disability, but accurate representation, right?

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Diversified casting. I think there's a fine line of, of bringing it positively, like positively into the mainstream media. Or negative, I, I see there's both a purpose in that because no one's always a hundred percent accurate. But I think if you have someone with a disability that can play the role that is that part, there's no reason why you shouldn't hire them. But if you want to try to sensationalize or something like, that's what you can do with a bigger name.

• 1:40:26Jack Selby?

  So I have a question about some of the lore of Breaking Bad.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:40:30Jack Selby?

  I'm curious, what scene was the most difficult to film? Either because people kept breaking character, character because it was funny or because it was just logistically challenging?

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  I know the desert, the desert was definitely challenging for the crew. I didn't spend a lot of time in the desert. Um, I mostly cause. I was either eating breakfast or chilling in my room. Um, I, I think the hardest, one of the hardest, not the hardest, but I guess emotional parts for me um, during the series was when uh, Walt Junior finds Brian uh, beat up at his new apartment. And he um, uh, has a conversation with Brian about uh, his father dying of emphysema and of lung cancer. And at the same time, my grandfather was dying of emphysema and lung cancer. And so um, it just that, that kind of scene really meant a lot to me.

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  And um, was definitely one of those high, high emotional kind of grass that, that I really wanted to make sure we got right.

• 1:41:33Graham Stephan?

  What's the craziest thing that you've seen someone do to get in character?

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  I've, I, I can't go into detail about some things, but I, I've worked with a few method actors and, and uh.

• 1:41:44Graham Stephan?

  Do you believe in that?

• 1:41:46Speaker 02

  I believe there's a fine line of it, you know, I, I believe like, cause like I'm, I wouldn't call myself a method actor, but, but I do my best to always feel what my character's feeling. I always, I, I do, I find acting really is important on an emotional level. Like what those characters are feeling, how that character is feeling. And I use basis of my life and life experiences to make these characters feel a certain way. Um, so as far as that aspect, yeah, but I don't, when you see people being an ass to people or like getting aggressive and it's like, I'm method. I'm like, I'm like, dude, like, you don't have to be a dick.

• 1:42:27Graham Stephan?

  You're supposed to be playing a nice person.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, no, that's usually because they're not playing a nice person. But no, no, but, but like, I think it's a fine line, but I also think sometimes it's, it's an excuse to be an ass.

• 1:42:42Graham Stephan?

  That's interesting.

• 1:42:43Speaker 02

  Like, and they get away with things.

• 1:42:46Graham Stephan?

  So that's what you've seen is that people like get into character like that and they won't break it?

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  They don't break it. And, and, and they carry it off. And I'm like, I'm like, part of me doesn't think you're acting, man. Like, like, it's like, I, I think you're like this 24/7.

• 1:43:02Graham Stephan?

  Was there ever seen? Was that Tuco?

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:43:06Graham Stephan?

  Dude, I would love.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  Breaking Bad from, from every single person on there was a gem. Like, like, really, like, quality, very meticulous, thought out casting. Um, it's on some of the other movies that, that I've done that, that, that I'm like, I'm.

• 1:43:24Graham Stephan?

  Speaking of Tuco, you know, have you seen The Lawsuit recently?

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  The, the with the hose?

• 1:43:29Graham Stephan?

  Oh, so stupid. You hear about this, Jack?

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Man.

• 1:43:32Graham Stephan?

  He was washing his car and like he sprayed some kid with water and they sued him.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  So it goes a little deeper than that. So I, I found out some information and, and there's a statement by his team. Um, cause I know, I know, um, um, Raymond Cruz.

• 1:43:49Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  Very well. Like, like, I see Raymond, I, I probably hang out with Raymond, like, uh, Raymond and, uh, Daniel and Louis Moncada, that who played the Salamanca Twins.

• 1:44:00Graham Stephan?

  No way.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  I hang out with them, like, cause like I'll go do Comic Cons and stuff with them and.

• 1:44:04Graham Stephan?

  That's so cool.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  And so from what I understand, these like three girls parked like right on his bumper while he was washing his car. And like, and started recording him. And he's like, hey, can you move? And he'd flash and they called the cops. Like.

• 1:44:22Graham Stephan?

  They want attention. They want attention and money. That's all it is.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  But I think, I don't necessarily look at it as a bad, bad thing for him, cause he was in the national news, man. Everyone.

• 1:44:33Graham Stephan?

  Brought him up, yeah. Brought him back to the top.

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  Hardcore, right to the top, Raymond Cruz.

• 1:44:37Graham Stephan?

  So are you saying you need to spray someone with water? We go down to the strip and just have some mayhem.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  I'm good on that. I, I, I don't need headaches.

• 1:44:48Jack Selby?

  Did any cast member have like the giggles, like they, they would have a hard time?

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 1:44:52Jack Selby?

  Really?

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  All the time. We were all laughing, all the time.

• 1:44:55Jack Selby?

  Which, which scene elicited the most amount of laughs where you had to just redo it because it was too funny?

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  It wasn't about like redoing it or, or too many laughs. It, it kind of, you know, Brian having such a comedic background, like everything he brought into it was very comedic. Even when he did serious roles, he really was good about creating an environment on set where, you know, we had really heavy content and, and it was, it was very stressful content. But as soon as we said cut, everyone was cheering, everyone smiled, especially on the hard days. We had full support from our staff, from, from, from grips, electric, like painting, like set to every,

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  it was all hands on deck every single time. It, it has been single, one of the best crews I probably, that I've ever worked with and probably will ever work with in my life.

• 1:45:52Jack Selby?

  How were your nerves in the beginning of the show to the end of the show? I imagine stepping in and being this, your first like talking role. I mean, it's a pretty important moment in your life. How, were you super nervous in the beginning? And I imagine you found, found your rhythm.

• 1:46:07Speaker 02

  I didn't understand. I was such a kid. I didn't understand what this show would be. Like, you know.

• 1:46:13Jack Selby?

  Did you watch Malcolm in the Middle?

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  So I watched Malcolm in the Middle, yeah, but.

• 1:46:17Graham Stephan?

  But that, that would be intimidating to be like in the same room with Brian Cranston.

• 1:46:20Speaker 02

  I watched it after Breaking Bad.

• 1:46:21Graham Stephan?

  I see.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  So I, I watched it, I watched it later, like, and I saw it, but I also, I'm one of those people that I don't correlate people in TV and film together. So when I watch a show, I watch a movie, I don't, I don't carry the other work. I only see them in that role.

• 1:46:37Jack Selby?

  Got it. How did fame affect your friendships early on?

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  I worked really hard on keeping on my friends. You know, I'm, I'm still very close with most of my old friends. Like, do we still talk regularly? No, but like, I can pretty much pick up the phone and call my best friend from high school. Like, and he'd be like, hey, what's happening? Now, he's like, now he has like, all my friends now are like, settled down and like, family of four. Like, um, but I worked really hard to not lose, like, not let fame affect me, not let the, the, whatever, the, the LA, New York, what.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  I, I really tried and I continue to try to always never let my work get to my head.

• 1:47:31Jack Selby?

  Do you remember the first time you got recognized?

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  I, I, it was probably, the first time I got recognized was probably around like, season four, five. Yeah, not until later.

• 1:47:41Jack Selby?

  That's crazy.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  Again, we were really popular in Eastern Europe.

• 1:47:46Jack Selby?

  I imagine now, though, that like, I mean, you still have a, like, a young face. Like, you still look young.

• 1:47:53Graham Stephan?

  I was about to say, like, you look the same.

• 1:47:55Jack Selby?

  You look like, basically the same, which is great. Like, that's, that's a compliment. Yeah, that's a good thing. I imagine this being like, you know, arguably the biggest show of all time, one of the biggest shows of all time, certainly, that like, anywhere that you go, it's got a, probably.

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  I normally grow a beard.

• 1:48:11Jack Selby?

  Really?

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  Like, today, yeah.

• 1:48:13Jack Selby?

  Do you do a mask and like, a hat?

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I, I grow the beard. People don't expect me to walk.

• 1:48:19Jack Selby?

  Interesting. But you get looks everywhere, I imagine. Does that, like, there's a complete difference in like, your life and Graham's life, I imagine, like, going out. Like, it's.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  There's accountability, right? Like, and, and for me with this role, with this, with this medium, right? You know, and, and one day you'll get there. No.

• 1:48:43Jack Selby?

  Thanks, man.

• 1:48:43Speaker 02

  But, um, but like, it.

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• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  I've always carried responsibility with me in what I do, how I go out and how I present myself because there is cause and effect to my actions. Like I never, like I do Comic Cons. I enjoy Comic Cons because I love memorabilia. So like I'll go, I'll buy, um, buy stuff and whatever. And the impact that I've seen on fans' lives, where you can change someone's perspective or have a conversation with them that they'll never get an opportunity to do or ask a question like this. Or, you know, I get a lot because of my disability. I get a lot of disability related, like young parents that love the show with a kid with a disability.

• 1:50:32Speaker 02

  And, you know, people see you and now more than ever, people see y'all. People watch y'all, they, they listen to it, they re-watch y'all. And, and there's an impact on them from that. And they have their favorite episodes and their favorite structures and. I find when you're out in public, especially having a show like Breaking Bad specifically, there's a certain accountability you have to carry with you. And, and for me, I want every person I engage to leave it with a positive experience, to leave it, leave whatever we're talking about and be like, I can go tackle whatever it is I'm tackling. And, and that's something I, I truly always carry with me in the back of my mind.

• 1:51:18Graham Stephan?

  How did you navigate dating? Because I saw Bryan Cranston on Howard Stern said you were crushing it with the ladies.

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  Not anymore. I just got one lady.

• 1:51:31Graham Stephan?

  We got earmuffs.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  No, no, we're good, we're good.

• 1:51:35Graham Stephan?

  If you could step, no, I'm kidding.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no, she knows everything, everything.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  No, you know, I, um,

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  just one at a time.

• 1:51:48Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's, I don't know. I think I did pretty well. I'm pretty happy with my dating life.

• 1:51:54Graham Stephan?

  Would they, but would they approach you or would you approach them or how, how did that come to be?

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  I was always leery of, of, of people that kind of approached me.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  I was, I'm more of like, was more of a, be like, hey, you wanna like, I, I never use dating apps. Like, so like, I, I've never used a dating app. I, they, they always scared me. Like, it's like.

• 1:52:20Graham Stephan?

  People wouldn't believe it if it were you.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  They wouldn't believe it, no. No, they wouldn't believe it. And, and there's actually been people that have pretended to be me on dating apps. Cause like, I have friends that use that stuff and like.

• 1:52:31Graham Stephan?

  Are they successful on there?

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  My, my, my friends are very successful on their apps.

• 1:52:38Graham Stephan?

  No, no, I meant people pretending to be you.

• 1:52:40Speaker 02

  Oh, do they have you in some pictures? They had me, yeah. I get, my buddy would send me a screenshot like on Instagram or something like, yo, but it's not me, it's Walton Jr. Maybe they have it as Walton Jr.

• 1:52:53Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  Like it was, it was pretty funny. Swipe on that just to see. Have you ever been rejected once? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everyone gets rejected. It's funny because, you know, it's people see the show, right? And they're like, the show, the show, the show. And, and they don't really care about you. Like, like it's, and, and, and that's fine. Like, if you love, if you love Breaking Bad, I appreciate it. I'm grateful for it. Like, but like, it's like, knowing, and this is something that I've learned to protect myself at a young age, too, was, but knowing not everyone's your friend. I, I think that's something that we, that even I forget sometimes, but not everyone's your friend. Not everyone's there out of kindness, not everyone's there to support you.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Like, sometimes people really want to see you fail. And, and, and sadly, when you go into life, dating, wherever it may be, you always have to remember, not everyone's there for good intentions. And you, you give people the benefit of the doubt. You give them what you, you give what you get. And, and for me, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But also knowing that not everyone's your friend. And you do have to be careful. And especially in an industry like this, like sexuality, like dating, it's a tool. And, and until you find that right person, that person that like is thick and thin,

• 1:54:22Speaker 02

  you, you know, you, you find it and you can recognize it once you have it. But it takes time. Do you still speak with Brian and Aaron often? Occasionally, like I, I, every once in a while, probably like once every year or so. We, uh, we just did a, um, yeah, we, a reunion with Netflix. They, we gave, we did the, um, SAG Awards and we, um, presented, I, I want to say Best Drama to Succession. I heard that show is really good. It's really good. Yeah. It's very good. Um, yeah, uh, I'd probably say last year, a year before last. So we all got together and that was the first time we got together in, in quite some time. So could you just call them up if you wanted to theoretically?

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, I wouldn't, but yeah. That's crazy.

• 1:55:13Speaker 02

  They call, we call it. Yeah, it's not a problem.

• 1:55:16Graham Stephan?

  That's cool.

• 1:55:17Speaker 02

  I wouldn't be like, I.

• 1:55:19Graham Stephan?

  Hey, man, I'm just sitting here hanging out. What's up?

• 1:55:22Speaker 02

  I do get people ask me to call Brian and I'm like, dude.

• 1:55:25Graham Stephan?

  Okay, that's just. I'm gonna tell you what would actually do incredible for you on TikTok. There's this trend where you call people and just wish them a good night. If you called Brian and you said, hey, man, just wishing you a good night.

• 1:55:39Jack Selby?

  That would go insane. That's true. That would go.

• 1:55:41Graham Stephan?

  That would probably get 10 to 20 million views if you were to do that.

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  I don't do TikTok, though.

• 1:55:47Graham Stephan?

  But if this were your first.

• 1:55:49Jack Selby?

  This is your spraying down the people with the hose moment.

• 1:55:52Graham Stephan?

  Yes.

• 1:55:52Jack Selby?

  This is that.

• 1:55:53Graham Stephan?

  I so this would, this would go so viral online, you just calling him, hey, man, just want to wish you a good night. And just pause, see what he says.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  See, yeah, but.

• 1:56:04Graham Stephan?

  Cause he has such a recognizable voice, he would do incredible.

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  I couldn't post that. Like, I would feel like, I would have to be like, hey, I'm doing this to post, you know what I mean? I couldn't.

• 1:56:14Graham Stephan?

  I bet he would love it. I don't know. I don't know him, but.

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  He would, he would laugh, but like I, I, I also have worked really hard not like as much as like my life is entwined with Breaking Bad, I've definitely worked really hard to, to, to not infringe on, you know, Bryan Cranston and Paul, you know what I mean? Like, cause like that's, that's the number one for the show.

• 1:56:38Graham Stephan?

  I understand that.

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  Like, so I, so I do my best. No, I, I agree. It would, it would pop off.

• 1:56:43Graham Stephan?

  Well, just consider it putting it's in your back pocket and you could pull it out at any time.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  I'll hide it back there.

• 1:56:48Graham Stephan?

  All right. I want to bring this up, too.

• 1:56:50Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 1:56:51Graham Stephan?

  I bet this is not what you expected.

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:56:54Graham Stephan?

  But you did some modeling.

• 1:56:56Speaker 02

  Yes, I did.

• 1:56:57Graham Stephan?

  And I wanted to know the story behind this.

• 1:57:00Speaker 02

  I'm assuming it's me with tits.

• 1:57:02Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, I don't need to pull it up. You know what I'm talking about.

• 1:57:05Speaker 02

  I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 1:57:07Graham Stephan?

  What's the story behind, why?

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  Uh, Vivian Westwood. No, I modeled, I modeled for like four years. And like in, in Germany and France and, and, um, like across the board, I did modeling. And that was kind of like after Breaking Bad. It was like, okay. What should I do next, right? What should that next be that's going to make me stand out from from the show? And so that started with modeling and luckily I was super thin at the time, not so much anymore. But um, but I really wanted to try to

• 1:57:48Speaker 02

  create something that was unique to only me, apart from the show. And so I was modeling and met some of the Vivienne Westwood people. And so that was one of the Vivienne Westwood, they got like a little bag.

• 1:58:00Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, but but some of these fashion shows.

• 1:58:03Speaker 02

  They're wild.

• 1:58:04Graham Stephan?

  Why? And so when you saw that, did they present that to you?

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:09Graham Stephan?

  And then. What was your initial reaction?

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  Down. Well, at the time, like, you know, at the time, that type of content was very sensitive, you know? And like, let alone walking with, walking, doing runway shows with a disability.

• 1:58:25Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  At the time, too, was was something that was very unique. And so like, like, it was a very unique thing. And and fashion is all about sensationalism, right? It's like, you know, um, what are the statement pieces? And Vivienne Westwood was very, she since passed, but she was such an icon when it came to punk and grunge and these types of abstract thinking and eco environment growth. And and so I I went into it, though, with modeling being like, yeah, whatever y'all want. Just I just don't go nude. Like, like, so I was pretty much up for anything. And they were like, OK, we're gonna put this bag. They're like, here's this bag. I'm like, oh, how do I, no, we're gonna strap it to your chest.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  And um.

• 1:59:11Graham Stephan?

  How is that artistic?

• 1:59:15Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:59:15Graham Stephan?

  Maybe I'm just, I just don't.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  I mean, a dude with boobs at what I think that was what 2014?

• 1:59:23Graham Stephan?

  It was a while ago.

• 1:59:24Speaker 02

  2014, 2013, maybe like the world is very different than than it is today. You know what what socially acceptable then and socially acceptable now like? It it's so wishy washy like but but when it comes to fashion, it's all about abstract and pushing the envelope and and getting people to think especially with like Vivian Westwood and and Kenneth Cole and you know the these types of entities that that really want to change a narrative.

• 1:59:55Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  And change your perspective and so I I remember at some time, I think it was like Free the Nipple or or was one of the really big campaigns at the time because because women knew that he was was like not okay like like it is today. And um, and so I I think when it comes to these these statement pieces like I I did another one where they covered us in grass. It was like this like it was like this, this, this line, you're walking through these like ruins and like I'm covered in grass.

• 2:00:26Graham Stephan?

  Um. It it it seems like it's like a social experiment.

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  It is. They are social experiments in my how I feel about. Yes. And it's pushing the envelope, you know, it's like, who can be the weirdest? I mean, have you you seen the the the garbage dresses?

• 2:00:41Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, I've I I don't. I've seen the meat dress with like Lady Gaga. Jaden Jaden Smith even shows up. He wore like the castle on his head recently. I saw that. I'm thinking, what's the point? Like you could wear a nice.

• 2:00:52Speaker 02

  Well, people were talking about it right now.

• 2:00:55Graham Stephan?

  Is that so the point is just to be talked about when in which point then I I get it. I get it to be the most absurd you can. So people are like, yo, did you see that?

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  You know, it's all about absurdity and and again, pushing the envelope, pushing perspective. Um, a lot of these, a lot of these types of like designers are are very entwined and entwined into, thank you.

• 2:01:19Graham Stephan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  Um, entwining communities and and.

• 2:01:26Speaker 02

  You know, they're not all from the US. They're not all from one country or another. They, they all have unique, different statements that they're making, like where they're at. Like if it's in Germany or UK or here in the States, like you see it more related to societal reflection a lot of times.

• 2:01:44Jack Selby?

  What's the weirdest opportunity you've had being famous in Hollywood? Have you ever been able to lick mold? Graham would maybe pay you $15 for it.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  It just goes from Jack to you. And then it's Jack straight. I've eaten mold. It's okay. You're fine. No, no, I, I would, hey, yeah, I'd 25.

• 2:02:04Jack Selby?

  25?

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  We don't have any mold.

• 2:02:06Jack Selby?

  I guess with inflation and everything.

• 2:02:07Speaker 02

  That's with inflation, yeah. That's fair. No, it's all good. I'm glad there's no mold. Um, I don't know. What's the weirdest, what's the weirdest thing? I've had some, I've had some weird instances though, where like, I've had someone try to cut my hair, like while I like, like straight up came at me with scissors. And I grabbed the hand and was like, whoa.

• 2:02:27Jack Selby?

  Wow.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  Like a fan? Yeah.

• 2:02:29Jack Selby?

  Cause she wanted your hair? Or was it a he?

• 2:02:31Speaker 02

  No, it was she. It was, it was, it was she, but yeah, I, I don't know what she wanted, but she.

• 2:02:36Jack Selby?

  Did you let her?

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  No. I, I, I don't mess with a dude. Get out of here. I, that's, I'm like, what do you want my hair for? Um, yeah, no, no. Um, I don't know. I, uh, I did a survival show. I did the Isle of Bear Grylls.

• 2:02:53Jack Selby?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:02:54Speaker 02

  That was insane. I had a blast. I really enjoyed it.

• 2:02:58Jack Selby?

  That's really cool. That's neat.

• 2:03:00Speaker 02

  Um, no, I, I've done a lot of little odd parts. Um, I did a series that was super weird called, um, The Guardians of Justice. It was, it was The Guardians of Justice Will Save You Now. Um, I don't know if you know the director, uh, Adi Shankar. He did like Dread, The New Dread. Um, he has Captain Laserhark, um, Castlevania, those types of shows. And so I did a series with him. Took 11 years. And it's live action and, um, animation and stock motion.

• 2:03:29Jack Selby?

  Whoa.

• 2:03:29Speaker 02

  It's like very, very niche market, but I, I'm, I'm very lucky that, that I get to do a lot of fun stuff.

• 2:03:37Jack Selby?

  So we have some rapid fire questions right before we wrap this up. What is the best breakfast item?

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  Um, bacon.

• 2:03:46Jack Selby?

  When people recognize you, do they call you Flynn Walt Jr. or do they call you RJ?

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  Flynn.

• 2:03:53Jack Selby?

  Really?

• 2:03:53Speaker 02

  I get Flynn a lot, which I prefer Walt. First of all, I prefer RJ, my real name. But, but, but yeah, Flynn all the time, dude.

• 2:04:02Jack Selby?

  What's the most common reference you get?

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  I get a lot of people that, that ask me to like curse them out, like how I did my dad. Like call them, like call them, like say, say it just like the show that Europe was like all the time.

• 2:04:16Jack Selby?

  Could you say that?

• 2:04:17Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 2:04:19Jack Selby?

  Go ahead. Yeah.

• 2:04:19Graham Stephan?

  Curse Graham.

• 2:04:20Jack Selby?

  Yeah, curse dude, that would be an R.

• 2:04:22Speaker 02

  Well, here, let me, let me.

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• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  You're, you're, you're a pussy. Similar, right?

• 2:05:30Jack Selby?

  It's good.

• 2:05:31Speaker 02

  Right? It's almost there. 10 years later.

• 2:05:33Jack Selby?

  That's great. I felt that.

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:35Jack Selby?

  Do you feel like one?

• 2:05:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:05:37Jack Selby?

  A little bit.

• 2:05:38Graham Stephan?

  I feel like I just got hit by some shrapnel over here.

• 2:05:42Speaker 02

  No, yeah, I, I get a few lines, but that's, a lot of people want, want that. Do you, do you enjoy doing that? Or do you feel like a bit like?

• 2:05:52Jack Selby?

  Like, what if someone like nearby, you know, didn't really know what's going on? They just see you calling someone that?

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  I mean, I do it very selectively.

• 2:06:03Jack Selby?

  Okay, so you're not gonna be in a crowded area?

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  Well, no, I'm not just gonna go like, if it makes sense or like whatever, like, like, I appreciate people appreciating my work.

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  I, I like, so if taking that two minute time to call them that,

• 2:06:25Speaker 02

  like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm cool with it. And it's like, they, you know, they, a lot of them will like run off giddy, like schoolgirls, I'm like, that's a grown ass man.

• 2:06:34Jack Selby?

  You've made my day.

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you.

• 2:06:36Jack Selby?

  That's cool. What's the craziest fan encounter you've ever had?

• 2:06:40Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, the scissor thing with the hair was pretty crazy. Um, I, I had a phase where people were trying to break into my house.

• 2:06:48Jack Selby?

  Oh, whoa.

• 2:06:49Speaker 02

  And, and it got handled.

• 2:06:54Jack Selby?

  Wow, that's, that's crazy. What's the most bizarre gift you've ever received from a fan?

• 2:07:00Speaker 02

  Their hair.

• 2:07:03Jack Selby?

  You received hair?

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  I, I-

• 2:07:05Jack Selby?

  Have you kept that?

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  No, no, I did not.

• 2:07:07Jack Selby?

  You said you kept everything.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  I did not keep that one thing. I did get, I got a weird box one time and I, I, it had to go to a police department.

• 2:07:18Jack Selby?

  Wow. What's your favorite meme you've ever seen of yourself?

• 2:07:21Speaker 02

  Um, I think my 21st birthday meme is pretty wild. I honestly did not expect that video to still be circulating 12 years later.

• 2:07:33Jack Selby?

  I missed the video, what's the video?

• 2:07:34Speaker 02

  It's, it's me over at the, um, the Palm at the, uh, Ghost Bar for my 21st birthday. Um, and, um-

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  And it's just me walking into like the club with my friends and they recorded the whole thing and people cut it. It's all it's on TikTok.

• 2:07:52Jack Selby?

  I'll check it out.

• 2:07:53Speaker 02

  It's it's pretty funny. I'm like, like wired on Red Bull.

• 2:07:57Jack Selby?

  You did seem pretty locked in.

• 2:07:59Speaker 02

  Ah, dude, I was so locked. I was like, cause like my my buddies, we just came from the tables. We were winning like we we went to a show. We were like, we're having a good time.

• 2:08:08Jack Selby?

  That's fun. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  I think I think always be prepared for when readiness meets opportunity. I think that's kind of the best advice that I was given.

• 2:08:20Jack Selby?

  Who would win in a prank war? You versus Brian versus Aaron?

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  Oh, Brian all day. Brian would take us both down.

• 2:08:27Jack Selby?

  Wouldn't be close?

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  Wouldn't even be close.

• 2:08:29Jack Selby?

  What do you have next on the horizon? What do you uh, what you got going on in your life?

• 2:08:33Speaker 02

  So right now I have a movie called West Hampton um, with Finn with Rock. I don't know if you'll know know of him from American Horror Story and um, a bunch of other movies and shows. Um, we just did Tribeca. We just did another film festival um, uh, in New York as well. So that that's really doing um, really proud of it. It's a great team of people. Uh, I have a couple of movies that I'm in talks with at the moment. So I'm I'm been attached to for a few years um, that I'm really hoping that finally get their funding. Uh, I have another movie um, coming out and hopefully either at the end of this year, um, beginning of next year.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  That they're still working on title stuff and where and but but really um, a lot of my work is um, foundation work based in Texas. So I I've I've been doing this project down there with the community um, in like community development, parks, parking, um, entrepreneurship type stuff. So that's really kept me very busy um, for the past few years. But I'm working on getting on another show, just auditioning, man.

• 2:09:41Jack Selby?

  What's your dream gig? Who would you want to work with?

• 2:09:44Speaker 02

  See that, man, that's the hardest thing. I it's not necessarily who I want to work with. I just want another well-written show again. I miss, I miss that. I I work on TVs and and movie, I work on TV and movies that that's like, it's it's good, but it's so rushed. And like one of my my my my things. I really don't like to be rushed, like especially when I create a character and I and I try to put myself out there. And it's like, like, we're trying to rush through stuff that normally would take, well, usually we don't have budget, but, but like, it's like, I really want to be able to, to, to go back to kind of how, where we had the ability to

• 2:10:26Speaker 02

  grow these characters in an environment with well-written, with a well-oiled team.

• 2:10:32Jack Selby?

  Do you think something like Breaking Bad can ever be written again?

• 2:10:36Speaker 02

  I don't think, I don't necessarily think something like Breaking Bad, but it's all about growth, you know? I do think there'll be another show, um, that like caps it, you know? It, it's just in time.

• 2:10:52Jack Selby?

  It just, I, I just don't.

• 2:10:54Graham Stephan?

  Squid Game was close, the first season, but it was not, it didn't have that longevity, though.

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  I, I think what made Breaking Bad so unique was the time that it came out and the content of the show. Nothing had been like it. The type of, the type of drugs, the type of environment, the, like, you know, this was 2008. The, the economy crashed during the first season of Breaking Bad. So there were a lot of people with a Walter White mentality of how do I survive? How do I grow? And, and most shows I find today aren't based in realism. You know, I found Breaking Bad was very real as far as what these characters were doing, the family dynamic, the environment that they were, that they were having, and their

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  impact on each other. It wasn't like controlled or contrived. It wasn't forced. It just, it made sense. Everything that each of these characters made sense. And what didn't make sense was like. Well, it makes sense now, like, you know? And I think that's something that's really hard to capture. And I just saw Vince stayed on to Sony for more, another four years or so, which one of the best writers, man. Vince Guggins.

• 2:12:13Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, even Better Call Saul, I really enjoyed it. This is a fun episode. You're funny. You're pretty funny. You gotta be doing more podcasts. Why don't you create a podcast or something?

• 2:12:25Speaker 02

  We've been talking about it. I, it's a lot of work, guys. Like, what y'all, what y'all do is not easy.

• 2:12:32Graham Stephan?

  If you want help, I don't know. We are willing to help you with anything. We could tell you what equipment you need, what cameras, what mics. We could put you in touch with editors, producers, whatever you need, it can happen.

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  See, like, that's, that's, I just, I'm hoping, I'm, I'm trying to get, let me get back on the show. And I'm, I'm definitely in talks on having my own podcast, but I just want to make sure, whatever it is, it makes sense. And I've actually been talking to a local radio station about doing some radio for, for local community stuff, so.

• 2:13:07Graham Stephan?

  You would do, you would do very well as a podcaster. I'm just, I'm just saying, with your reach, with, with the connections that you've built, these discussions are very interesting and a lot of people don't get to hear them. Also, just motivation. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:21Speaker 02

  No, I'm, I'm in, I'm definitely in. I just, it's, it's, it's what's, it's timing for me. And I think that's kind of what, why I was interested in doing this and, and Ian's. And I really wanna, you know, I'm trying to get back out there more. I've, I've kind of been hiding for the past few years, just, just in like my work and my philanthropy, and, and I think it's finally time to, to set this up again.

• 2:13:50Graham Stephan?

  Well, you're gonna make some great cameos. And Joshua Weisman's video, I don't know when that's coming out. Hilarious. People are just not gonna be. Yeah, they're gonna be like, wait a second. Yeah. So, anyway, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. We'll link to all of your charities and everything you've shouted out down below in the description.

• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, actually, actually, one thing that I, I think that I did want to mention as far as like charity work in group, the one thing that I can recommend to people about getting into philanthropy, you don't have to give money. Like, this is the number, everyone always thinks it's like money, money, money, money. It's not. It's about your time and willing to volunteer and willing to put out there. And like, I, I think that's one thing as far as charity work. With my charities, like, please support them wherever there's. At the end of the day, it's what's important to you. Like, what directly impacts you? I look at one thing and it's called direct impact programming. And it's what do these programs directly do? Who do they directly impact and how are they directly impacted?

• 2:14:49Speaker 02

  And when we do philanthropy and we do like organization or community growth, I want, I always remember to look at, are you directly impacting the community that you want to serve? And that to me is most step number one when it comes to philanthropy.

• 2:15:04Graham Stephan?

  I love it.

• 2:15:06Jack Selby?

  Thank you very much.

• 2:15:07Graham Stephan?

  Thank you.

• 2:15:07Speaker 02

  No, thank you, man.

• 2:15:08Jack Selby?

  Really appreciate this. Thank you to everyone for watching. Hope you enjoyed.

• 2:15:11Graham Stephan?

  Oh, make sure to subscribe too.

• 2:15:13Jack Selby?

  Subscribe.