S2E54: When Caelum Came Back Part II | Talk Tracks

In Part Two of Caelum's story, we go deeper into the writings and experiences he has shared with his family since learning to communicate through facilitated communication. Joining Caelum's mother, Anne-Marie, is his brother Jacob, who has spent years communicating with Caelum and documenting his thoughts in journals. Together, they share Caelum's reflections on God, consciousness, death, and what he says he experienced during the time he was outside his body after his drowning. Caelum describes being given a choice to remain in the presence of God or return to this reality, and explains why he believes he came back with a purpose: to teach. He shares his understanding of what happens after death, what he calls different “realities” and levels of consciousness, and the role of love, service, and free will in our lives. We also hear some of Caelum's poetry and reflections on his paintings, as well as stories about the unusual ways his family says he perceives the people and world around him. _______ Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass https://thetelepathytapes.supportingcast.fm/ to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to come closer. To help shape what’s next. To be more than a listener… to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call, subscribe today and join us: thetelepathytapes.com. https://thetelepathytapes.com/ _______ Thank you to our sponsors! Alloy http://myalloy.com/ - Try the original estrogen-powered M4 skincare from Alloy. Visit myalloy.com http://myalloy.com/ and use code TAPES for $20 off your first order! Ka'Chava https://kachava.com/ - Go to kachava.com https://kachava.com/ and use code TAPES for 15% off your first order. Shopify http://shopify.com/tapes - Start your business today with the industry’s best business partner, Shopify. Sign up for your free trial at Shopify.com/tapes http://shopify.com/tapes. Progressive http://progressive.com/- Insurance isn't one-size-fits-all. Visit Progressive.com http://progressive.com/ and find a rate that works for you with the Name Your Price® tool. BiOptimizers https://bioptimizers.com/tapes - Make this the year you finally get your sleep, your energy, and yourself back. Get 15% off at bioptimizers.com/tapes https://bioptimizers.com/tapes when you use my code, TAPES. Quince https://www.quince.com/tapes - Elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to Quince.com/tapes https://www.quince.com/tapes for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Luminara https://www.luminara.care/ - If you’re curious about energy healing and ready to experience it for yourself, Luminara is offering 20% off your first session for listeners of The Telepathy Tapes. Just go to luminara.care https://www.luminara.care/ and use code TAPES20. Lola Blankets https://lolablankets.com/ - For a limited time, our listeners can get 40% OFF select Lola Blankets products with code TAPES at checkout, go to lolablankets.com https://lolablankets.com/. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Ky Dickens?

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• 1:27Ky Dickens?

  Because every era has ideas once dismissed as impossible until someone was willing to investigate them seriously. And on this show, we do just that. Today, we're digging into part two of Caleb's story. If you've not listened to part one, which features Caleb and his mom, Anne Marie, I encourage you to go back and listen to that now. At 17 months, Caleb suffered a non-fatal drowning. And Caleb has not just persevered, but really broken all the odds. Caleb shocked doctors all the more when he learned to communicate via facilitated communication. And when Caleb started typing, and he expressed an awareness of different dimensions or realms and a spiritual life and an understanding of God that the family still is working

• 2:12Ky Dickens?

  to comprehend. Caleb has asked for a break. And so at this point, joining Caleb's mom, Anne Marie, in a second will be Jacob, the big brother. And here he comes. Okay, so Jacob, why don't you introduce yourself? How old you are, where you are in the birth order compared to Caleb?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, okay, I'm 26 years old. I am Caleb's youngest older brother, older sibling. I'm second last. Caleb's youngest, I'm second youngest, and then we got the four older siblings.

• 2:44Ky Dickens?

  Okay. So you two are closest in age?

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Probably closest overall, too, I'd say. I've spent more time with Caleb than any of my siblings, really. Not to say that we didn't spend a bunch of time together, but you know, just after the older siblings moved out and everything, all that stuff, I was still at the house. I was young enough to still be there working with him. So, and I have been since the journey started, so.

• 3:10Ky Dickens?

  And you have learned to type with him as well, correct?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Definitely to a more limited degree, but he loves when we do it together, especially when there's something in his speech that I can't understand, or there's some more complex thought that he wants to share. Yeah, we'll defer to FC. He's like, where's my? We'll sit on the couch, and we have his board over on a cabinet off to the side, and he'll like point. He's like, I want to type, I want to type. You know, we'll just grab it. And even if he wants to share something really simple, like, here's what I want to do today, or I want to go to this place, or I want to try this thing. You know, it's small stuff like that. But it's good to flex those muscles with him, too.

• 3:50Ky Dickens?

  What are some of the things? Are there any things very surprising, or funny, or interesting that he shared that you'd like to?

• 3:57Speaker 01

  It's kind of coincided with his speech and his behavior as well, but he's definitely a trickster. You know, he likes to mess with people, he likes to push buttons, you know? Because I think that's another one of the ways he really exercised some agency before he could communicate really effectively, was to like mess with you, test the waters, stuff like that. I think the funniest moments are when he expresses frustration with something, because he's really good at not showing that most of the time. And it's really funny when I type with him and he says something about my behavior that upset him. Because he'll literally write like, hey, you did this thing earlier, and it pissed me off. And he'll type, he'll type that out with me, and I'll be like, oh, my God, I had no idea. You know, let's talk about it.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  And then, you know, we'll use like a combination of his speech and the typing to have a conversation that way. And I'm, the big thing is really just encouraging him, you know, even when he feels shy or unsure. I tell him, take your time. You know, sometimes thoughts take some time to percolate before you can put them to words. So, yeah, we take it slow, and we talk about fun stuff. I mean, we do talk about some of the more, I don't know, esoteric things as well. But I'm usually, I was usually the scribe in that capacity for some of those lengthy discussions, you know? Which is honestly where Caleb kind of preferred me, because I don't make as many spelling mistakes as Dad.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  So he likes when I keep everything neat and clean in the journal, so.

• 5:30Ky Dickens?

  That's funny. So you talked about the program in Philadelphia being really difficult, not for the faint of heart. And I want to talk about how that involved the whole family, too. Like Jacob, I'm sure you had to sacrifice a little bit of time, either with your parents or even just trying to learn how to manage your life in a way that could, you know, really support Caleb.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:54Ky Dickens?

  So from both of your points of view, what was that like?

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Well, so it was very demanding. It was all day, every day. But the way that Caleb responded right at the outset kind of set the tone for the excitement that the rest of us felt about his progress. I mean, we were measuring things in centimeters as far as movement, and then when you see him go a meter, it kind of inspired everyone to really want to continue the program. But, you know, because of the relationship, I mean, Jacob had with Caleb before the accident. I mean, I just went, I was looking at some old photos, for example, and I could see that Jacob had Caleb on his lap, and they were reading books together. So Jacob was, I mean, he was in love with that baby when he was born, and that love carries through in such a profound way even now. But during those, those early years when we were really getting involved and invested

• 6:40Speaker 02

  in that program, there was a high demand. But Jacob, we always asked for the participation, and it was never something that was required. But the, the joy that Jacob, you know, we could see it in him, too, with the progress that his brother was making, really compelled him to want to continue participating. It was just sort of built into our family as a unit, as, you know, this is where our new normal kind of looks like, and everyone is participating. You know, you never leave that one person behind type of mentality. But the, the joy factor was really something that the institute's taught us to make everything joyful.

• 7:19Ky Dickens?

  I love that, though. I love that they talk about joy, because, like, we talk about that in our family, like, be a joyful giver. If you give something to someone, you're angry about it. It ruins it. Like, don't. You know, like, if you're going to give, let it fill you both up and let it be joyful. And I would imagine if, for someone being given such dedication of time and effort, if it was like, I have to do this for you again, that's not a motivating factor.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Not at all.

• 7:42Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. How about for you, Jacob?

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, like we're saying, joy was a huge part of the journey. I think with Caleb and me, it was just always so accessible, you know? And I definitely do think, you know, like Mom's saying, it's, it's not for the faint of the heart, right? And we also had eight of us, or seven of us, seven of us to rally around Caleb. It's a lot easier when the family unit comes together. So I think that was kind of intrinsic to our family even before Caleb's accident. You know, it's a really good reminder of what I have to be thankful for, the experiences that I don't want to take for granted, right? And we've had some wonderful journeys and trips that we've taken that we really wouldn't

• 8:26Speaker 01

  have if we hadn't been on this journey, if Caleb hadn't shared all of his insights, you know, and his perspectives.

• 8:32Ky Dickens?

  So we sent some really wonderful, I mean, we sent some questions to your family from us and from listeners, so there's a hodgepodge. And it's, I'm sure you both were a big part of working with him to get these answered and written down. Do you want to go through them and read the questions and his answers?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah. What do you want others to know about who you are?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  And Caleb, I am a very unique person and have extreme abilities that are not very available to most people. I had an accident as a small child and I was not in this reality for an hour or so at that time. During this gap, I was immediately in the presence of God. His existence fully encompassed me and I was basically in His consciousness. I was actually love itself and was strikingly aware of all information that ever was, is, and will be.

• 9:26Ky Dickens?

  Wow. When he wrote that, did you have any follow-up questions for him?

• 9:31Speaker 02

  We did, but traveling through all of his communication, he's kind of answered those in the past as well. So, we wanted to also be cognizant of not asking him to just, you know, go back and repeat. But, you know, it's indicative of his connection to God. I mean, that his, I remember Jacob was about 12 and Jacob and I were having a conversation, I'll never forget this. Jacob came to me and he says, you know what, Mom? I'm not afraid to die now. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, now that Caleb has told us the things that he's shared, I'm not afraid to die because I know the hope

• 10:15Speaker 02

  that he's provided by what he has shared to me. So, I don't have that fear any longer. And I just remember being so struck by that. But I think too, the conversations about Caleb's purpose, coming back to be the teacher, has really changed the landscape of our entire family. I mean, it's deepened my faith and my husband's faith too.

• 10:38Ky Dickens?

  Oh, I was gonna pause you for a second because I don't know what you're referencing when he said he's coming back to be a teacher.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Because so, that was something that he told us early on, that he did reiterate, which we'll share. But, he said that he was given a choice whether to stay in the presence of God for all time, or to come back to this reality. And he chose to come back here because he wanted to be a teacher and that his purpose was to teach humanity.

• 11:10Ky Dickens?

  Beautiful. All right, Jacob, do you want to read the next one?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do you want others to know about what you know and experience? I'm able to access multi-dimensional realities, sometimes all at once, and the times it seems to be separate. I also realize that this concept is very unlikely to be understood by most people. It is difficult for me to describe in the way to create the ability of understanding. This is a significant ability that I possess that could be very traumatic for the average individual. My physical limitations do not represent anything about the other aspects of my true self. I am very blessed to have this experience and feel that this provides me the foundation of being complete despite my three-dimensional body.

• 11:53Ky Dickens?

  When he talks about a multi-dimensional experience, has he written about that before? What does he mean by that?

• 11:59Speaker 02

  My husband is a scientist and so his questions sometimes are a little bit more interrogatory and interrogatively based. But, one time we were having this conversation about Caleb's abilities to be in multi-dimensions and Dad said, you know, well, can I do that? And Caleb basically told Dad, if you could see what I would, can see, you would actually go insane. You would not be able to handle it. It'd be just that overwhelming.

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• 14:36Ky Dickens?

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• 14:47Ky Dickens?

  Will he talk about being able to see more than we can see as far as like beings or energy that might be in a room or something? Like, what does he mean by, it would drive most of us insane?

• 14:58Speaker 02

  He can see multi-facets of people. Caleb has taught us, written to us and shared with us that he's able to see the essence of God in everybody. And we used to have him do a standing program and I would have him in the standing device and be feeding him. And he would always be like looking over my head, like above my head. And so one day I said, you know, can I ask you a question about, why are you always looking over my head? And he said, because I see your grace there. I can see your grace there. He can see energy around people. He can get, he knows immediately who a person is when he first meets them because I think he can see into that other aspect of energy. I mean,

• 15:43Speaker 02

  you're talking about unified field theory. He knows all about that without knowing what that is because he's telling us that he can see all of this. He can see energy. He can feel it. He is an empath of a true sort. We had to learn early on, not if you stubbed your toe or cut your finger, not to show any discomfort in front of him because it was actually as if he was feeling your pain. And so we had to learn how not to go in the other room and go, ow, ow, because he immediately would pick up on that. The other thing that he could do, that he still does, I'm kind of, he almost did it when you had your green drink.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  I saw that.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  You saw that he can taste what you're tasting, even though he's in another room. And there's something about his auditory capability that I don't think is just his ears working. He can pick up conversations. He can, you know, assess people and what they're going through and immediately. One of the biggest things that we were amused by, which I'm sure a lot of the school people weren't, but he knew that the naysayers were coming over before they got to the house with his facilitated communication. And he would intentionally mess with them. I mean, there was one, he was a neuropsychologist

• 17:05Speaker 02

  that was doing some testing, this is a hilarious story, that was trying to assess Caleb's ability with the communication. And Caleb, just, he got every single question wrong. Now, even if you were guessing, you would at least get 50%, but he intentionally chose the wrong answer every question because he knew that person was not a believer. And then this particular person asked Caleb, he put a baseball cap on his head and had like a pen light duct taped to the bill and was asking Caleb like to point the light on cards, like here's this shape, here's this shape. And, you know, I was just, had

• 17:48Speaker 02

  Caleb in between my legs or sitting on the floor. And then the doctor asked Caleb, Caleb, show me a circle. And so Caleb started moving his head in a circle, using the pen light to draw a circle in the air. And I couldn't help myself. I just started cracking up. And the doctor said, what's so funny? I go, he's showing you a circle. That is the, so, you know, Caleb is assessing people all the time, but you know, he's also like Jacob, you know, the messing with, but it's not really messing with. It's like he's not going to engage with people who are not going to be fully invested in understanding where he's coming from and what he has to offer.

• 18:28Ky Dickens?

  I love that. Okay, next question.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  What are your desires for yourself and humanity? And Caleb answered, I am tasked with being a teacher. I was given the chance to stay forever in the presence of God, but was also given the option to return as a teacher. I want all people to know and realize their sovereignty and that God exists within each of us. This not only applies to those that are considered to be good, but that God is in all. Once this can be realized, the world will be elevated to a place of divine love and wisdom beyond this physical dimension restriction. The only true wealth we possess is love. This is the currency known across all realities.

• 19:14Ky Dickens?

  I love that. The currency known across all realities. What does he mean by realities? That's just such a heavy word.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's the funny thing is he's never I think what he said in the past is that he either won't, or he's not allowed to speak on what that really means and what that looks like. You know, you get the feeling that he uses his sensory sight, right? Like mom was saying, to pick up on things in the field. But that's, that's the thing is that there are some things that, because one thing, when we, when we have discussions with him, we don't want to ask like leading questions. We don't want to superimpose what our own perspective on what that would look like, which can be kind of difficult when he's talking about things that, you know, we lack the understanding for.

• 20:02Ky Dickens?

  Right.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  You know, how do you pose the question, question when you don't even know what question is correct? Right?

• 20:08Ky Dickens?

  Right.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  But yeah, it's just funny, all this time later, even when we ask, try to get more specific with what that means, there's always just some kind of, that's for me and not for you.

• 20:19Ky Dickens?

  You know, I love that you said that because I feel like we've had a lot of conversations and even in the telepathy tapes film coming out, there's over six years of like writings and questions and answers. And so many individuals talk about having a multi-dimensional experience, being able to see beings on other dimensions. And that is kind of a universal thing that has been brought up. But then if I or anyone else seems to ask a follow-up question around, what do you see?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:48Ky Dickens?

  What are these dimensions? It's a complete brick wall.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:52Ky Dickens?

  And I've almost stopped asking because it's like, they're leading us and it's not fair to pry if, if, if anyone is ready to share, they will.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 21:01Ky Dickens?

  And, but I have found the same thing.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  And he said as such too, there are things that he has told us where they're a little on the shocking side. Like we, we're shocked, but he also has not allowed us to share very specific things. We have to keep it within the family. You know, no telling if he'll change his mind about, you know, being able to author that later. But he's specifically requested other things. He was only four when he typed this. He said, "We have to use great discernment in who we share his information with."

• 21:36Ky Dickens?

  Unbelievable. Okay, next question and answer.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  What are your dreams for your future or things you want to learn to accomplish? Caleb said, "My future resides in my ability to share my wisdom. This information may not be able to be processed in this reality, but I made a commitment to provide it regardless." You know, which is very true. You know, even when we can't understand things ourselves, you know, he provides it anyways. You know, that's just, he's like a well of information in that way, especially when he really gets going, you know?

• 22:11Ky Dickens?

  How has all this changed you?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Like mom shared when I was younger, I kind of let go of any preconceived notions I had about what to expect afterwards. And it's not really something I'm concerned with, you know? Because ultimately I know what, based on what Caleb has shared, that things are going to be okay. That energy moves in such a way that things come back to us or they touch the people that we once knew. You know, in all the ways that Caleb has shared messages with us about teachers that we've had or friends that we've had, that letting us know they're safe, they're okay. You know, so I definitely think there's a, I don't know, less general anxiety about things all the time.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Because with Caleb, there's this ultimate thing on the other side. And that thing is love, that thing is joy. And he exemplifies that in how he lives and how he interacts. He very rarely, you know, gets angry, gets frustrated. He's never nasty, he's never mean, you know? And to have such a limitless amount of patience, considering his limitations, I'm like, that is a wonderful exercise to practice for the rest of your life, is to have that level of patience.

• 23:28Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, beautiful. All right, Jacob, what's the next question there?

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Okay. What makes you the most happy about the world and what makes you most frustrated? Caleb said, "I am able to live in my joy and this is something I wish for everyone. I'm not attached to this world in a manner that would create frustration for me." You know, reinforces the point, right? Case in point right there, you know? Do you feel frustrated for others? And he said, "When I encounter these people, I understand that they are unaware of their divinity. I want to expose those individuals to the idea that we are all God's creation and can elevate out of suffering by being in service to others."

• 24:11Ky Dickens?

  I love that. You can elevate out of suffering by being in service to others.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:17Ky Dickens?

  Beautiful.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  The question, "Do you have suggestions, advice or methods for us to truly advance the goal of peace and happiness for all beings?" He verbally said yes, Caleb, and then went on, "The idea of being different from God has to be discarded." He was very adamant about that statement. "Being still, being silent and in communion with the energy of God is imperative. I have so much time in my experience here that provides me this due to my physical limitations." And then, "How can people get closer to God?" I think that was a question that we kind of threw in there.

• 24:56Ky Dickens?

  It's fine, I love that you did.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yep. And he said, "To be intentional is the best way to manifest the relationship with the divine. In this reality, it needs devotion to the practice and the conversational aspect of being in God's awareness." Which is interesting because a lot of times, and just recently, Caleb will go to bed and then he's in his room talking for half an hour. And so the other day I asked him, I'm like, "What's going on in there, you know, at night?" And he said, "I'm conversing with God out loud and just going on." But you know, he starts his day, he'll, and he does it outwardly, I believe for the benefit of us to tap into being in God's presence in every moment.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Because he operates, I believe, in that frequency throughout his day and even while he's sleeping.

• 25:48Ky Dickens?

  Has he ever talked about like denominations or certain religions? Or is it just about God?

• 25:54Speaker 02

  It's just about God.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Okay, this is actually about.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Episode nine of the telepathy tapes. We asked him about it in January.

• 26:03Ky Dickens?

  Oh, wow.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Should I?

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Caleb says, "I feel so validated. I want to share my story too, but I wanted to first be in the book from, from what we planned."

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Mom asked him, "What do you think about Josiah?" Caleb said, "He is consistently accessing further dimensions like I do, only my work typically is structured into the higher realms." Mom, "So not on this level?" Caleb verbally, "No." You know, and that's just, little bits like that, we'll just write that down.

• 26:39Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  And then move on. Yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:41Ky Dickens?

  Unbelievable.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:43Ky Dickens?

  So for people who hadn't heard that story in season one, episode nine, there's a young man, Josiah, that was basically hearing the prayers and knowing the inner workings of a writer miles away who he'd never met. And so that's what he was responding to.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  How serendipitous that that's the one.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  That's the one that we saw.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  A peer that came to us, right?

• 27:03Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, that's really wonderful. Has he ever, what did he say about the individuals in season one that experienced telepathy with their parents? Did he respond to any of that, ever talk about that?

• 27:13Speaker 02

  He did. I don't know where it is in this journal, but we did write it down because he, he said that he doesn't do telepathy. That's not, he's able to just bring it in. So more, I guess the word, the more common word would be download, that he's able to just download information and then it just comes out. But then he also is talking about accessing multidimensionals and, and the field of information. I mean, you know, we look at neuroscience now talking about, you know, our memories and everything is not stored inside our brain. It's outside of us, our consciousness. And so I think, but not, not telepathic at all.

• 27:50Ky Dickens?

  Interesting.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  He's always, he's always talked about it in terms of being in the field. It's like the layman's term for, for him that he's, I'm in the field. That's like, okay.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  In the field, yeah. Well, and science is starting to prove that, the field theory now. So not that we needed it or Caleb doesn't care.

• 28:05Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:07Ky Dickens?

  Well, it's so funny because I forgot who, but someone early on, it's like typed to me like, "There's a bouquet of spiritual gifts." Like some, some of us have some and others have others and some more pronounced and others less pronounced. And I, in the beginning was like, I don't know what that means yet, you know? But it sounds like he's talking very clearly about what he, how his experience of the world in this journal.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  My father, his grandpa.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  Passed away last year in August. And Caleb, we were talking about grandpa. And so my dad was kind of in a coma the last few days. And we were talking to Caleb. And I said, you know, what's going on with grandpa? So the first thing Caleb did with his tell was yawn. And then he said, grandpa is staying close by, but is being transferred to his higher place. And so I just said, can you describe this higher place? And Caleb said, yes, it is a reality of God's consciousness. This is in direct relation to the information he gained from the lessons he experienced here, my dad. And then, I'm sorry, grandpa died.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  This was after my dad had passed away. And then, so we just have these conversations ongoing and we just grab the book and get the board.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  And I just asked him a question. I said, the other night you said something about levels of consciousness. And I go, can you help other people understand in relation to your grandpa? And he said, grandpa was subjected to many places as we all are. Mostly, he decided to be benevolent even when it was painful for him emotionally. Because of this, he obtained a level for greater, far greater than most souls who are here or come to, come here to learn. We are instructed only briefly about the karma to experience here. The free will allows us to navigate our path in a way that takes care of it or makes it harder. I said, are some souls here by choice and others not?

• 30:14Speaker 02

  And he said, yes. And then dad asked the question, what's the difference? And Caleb said, that is a contract with God. So these are the types of conversations that we've had all these years.

• 30:28Ky Dickens?

  I mean, people would love to read this. It's an exceptional amount of wisdom.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  When I go back and reread some of what he's typed, I'm astounded at the depth and the breadth of it. Even to this day, I mean, it's moved my life in ways that it's kind of interesting to think that if Caleb ever had fallen in the pool, what would our life look like? You know, how we would not have access to all of this wisdom.

• 30:58Ky Dickens?

  Let's read a few more entries and then we can bring him back in here to see if we've talked about anything that he wants to correct the record on or add to.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  I mean, can, is it okay if we share maybe a couple excerpts about the paintings as he's typed about? These kind of short form poems that he's done? Mom asks, what are you going to call it? And Caleb responds, behind the trees. Mom asks, what do you want to say about it? Caleb types, hidden amongst the wisps, I recall a depth of awareness. Only when the sound lessens is the glory of many reticulating colors apparent. A true wonder present, always to be seen in sacred awareness.

• 31:36Ky Dickens?

  And tell me what the painting looked like.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  It looks like wisps. And so when you look at the painting and you go, oh, that's kind of interesting. But then when you read this and then look back at the painting, it's, you see exactly what he's describing here.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  With that kind of.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  It's pretty remarkable too, because I think one thing about that painting too, is that there's a point of focus where you can see is the, the center, really. But you can only see it from the orientation that Caleb wanted the painting put up, which is really interesting. Like, it looks really nondescript from other angles. But when Caleb says, no, flip it that way, then it's like, well, there it is. It's right there.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  There's another one of his paintings that is about dance, I think, or moving, dancing freely. And again, doesn't look like anything. He told us to orient it a certain way. And it's a figure dancing in the center of this painting.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Here, there's another, that was a painting for his, well, it's like his other brother, Brian. It's his tutor and his support. He's part of our family.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. And this was for his birthday and Caleb wrote this. So Caleb titled it glowing and said, rescinding but not swirling like a constant flow of purity, making a decided ascent, always reaching for the pinnacle, growing from within.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Oh, this is back to the, his accident.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. That is what prompted him to say this. So he typed, there seemed to be a knowing that I was given about all time, the past, millennia of the past, the millennia of the future. The time of the present was woven into these formative spaces. Everything was acceptance. Unconditional love was surrounding me and I became aware that I was that love. And I asked, how did you have individual communion with God when you were part of that oneness? And we put Caleb smiles big, right here.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very exciting.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  And he typed, when I was watching the scene below, where I saw mommy working on me and daddy praying in the corner of the yard, there was a, and then parentheses, this stops, smiles and thinks. There was an unbelievable love pulling me to it. I was with God's energy immediately and felt suspended in peace, in a peace that I cannot describe. There's no separation between me or God. We were as the same energy, formless, shapeless, all places in time and space of eternity, oneness with all. And then he yawns.

• 34:09Ky Dickens?

  I love that you dictate in the writings where he yawns or smiles. It's so wonderful to understand like what he's experiencing.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:20Ky Dickens?

  Question, as you flip here, is what he explained true to what was happening on the ground? Were you working on him and your husband was praying over by a tree?

• 34:29Speaker 02

  That's exactly what was going on.

• 34:31Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. I have to preface this. So we had a program that we did, or the program that we were doing out of Philadelphia. There was a technique that we were using that required three people to do with Caleb. And so there was a former pastor of a very large Presbyterian church, a friend of our family, that he would come over to help. Larry Bowles, wonderful man. And he, it was about Halloween time and Caleb was five. And, you know, I always told people, if you're going to ask him a question, I'm not censoring what he says. So whatever he's typing, I'm just going to tell you what it is. So Larry said, oh, hey, Caleb, you know, Halloween's coming up. And so Caleb went on this litany of how Halloween is disrespectful and he doesn't believe in it.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  And it's just, so I just let it, Caleb rip it out to Larry. And so Larry just kind of said, okay, I understand. He said, but if you could be something for Halloween, what would it be? And Caleb said, I would be a master of heaven. And Larry said, okay, well, what's a master of heaven? What do they do? And Caleb said, they lead people to their next purpose. You know, and I'm just, no one's writing this down. I had to write it down afterwards because Larry and I were having to have a conversation.

• 35:49Ky Dickens?

  They lead people to their next purpose?

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what he said. And so Larry didn't know what to say to that. So he just said, well, what do they look like?

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  And Caleb said, they're indigo blue. And so we had a follow up conversation. This is all these years later. So last year I just decided to bring it up. And so we had a little more conversation about that. So I said, can you describe the masters of heaven again, like you told Larry all those years ago? And he said, they're indigo colors brightly surrounded by light. Masters of heaven guide people to their new purpose. And then he starts yawning. And I go, is there more than one? And Caleb said, yes. And then I asked, when do you encounter them? And Caleb said, after you have fully integrated and are not to return to this earthly form, you will be guided to a God council.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  A God council is an opportunity to finish any tasks which were unfulfilled during this aspect of life. You come together in great collaboration with God and his sons and holy ones to begin navigating a new contract. This is a description in earthly terms. It is not a contract in the way humans think of it. It is just a way to try and describe it to you. God is involved in all aspects of the choices. He yawns again. Decisions and navigation of application in the newly vested agreement. After this, the master of heaven is responsible in guarding that soul to its new place, position or task. And then he yawned again. It is instant.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  There's no such thing as time or much of what we try to understand as time. It is not possible to explain it. And then dad asked, is it the same for everyone, even for the evil? And Caleb said, no. And then he went on, everyone meets in a council. Those that have not abided are given opportunities to choose. Also, God does not punish, we create that.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  And Dad said, are those given new contracts also? And Caleb said, no, they are bound to repeat their times to reconcile the evil they inflicted. And then Jacob asked, is there one that never reconciled? And Caleb said, yes, Satan. And Dad said, what is Satan's ultimate goal? And Caleb said, he is mistaken in the power he thinks he wields to become over God. God has had to create opportunities for beings to access the opposite of divinity. This is in order for him to continue challenging his own creations. I mean, that, yeah. So wrap your head around, that's the thing I was explaining.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  You have to really, I mean, it just comes out of him.

• 38:35Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  His life's work is this.

• 38:38Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. Yeah. Any other final reading in there too, that you're like, this is something you definitely want to share?

• 38:44Speaker 01

  This is a continuation of a conversation we had had. Like lesson on the subject of Caleb being a teacher, lessons that we're supposed to learn or that are supposed to be imparted. So Mom asked Caleb, tell us more about the lessons. And Caleb said, the primary lessons are hard to explain. However, we are tasked with remembering our true nature. This is, he yawns, achieved over many lessons we choose to learn while here. I asked him, how do we remember our true nature? Caleb typed, silence in the presence of God is one way our lives are more and more barraged with godless distractions. We have to help ourselves by becoming familiar with this silence again. The word of the Most High is within us.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  We are ego centered for the most part. This is detached from our divine self. Mom asked him, do you still, do you still hang out with Creator? And Caleb verbally says, yeah. I asked, how do you do that? He typed, I can easily align and connect with my higher self and the true divine nature. And then vigorous typing. Mom asked, what else can we do? He yawns, and Caleb types, to serve the greater base that need help and guidance. To also begin and understand that I and others like me are mostly the same as far as being connected directly to our Creator, always. I asked him, does our not being unified affect what you do? He typed, it really doesn't, but it is my heart's desire that I would be the catalyst

• 40:13Speaker 01

  for consistent participation to solidify my position in delivering my word. I asked, are all these things done to bring us closer to God's source as well? And he verbally says, yes.

• 40:27Ky Dickens?

  Wow. Beautiful.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I asked him, when we talked about soul earlier. Oh, was that when we saw the movie?

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  The Soul movie, you know, the Soul movie?

• 40:37Ky Dickens?

  The Pixar.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Pixar one. I think that's what we were talking about. I said, when we talked about soul earlier, you said some elements were similar to your experience. What are they? Caleb typed, there is an ethereal aspect, if you want me to say it in human understanding. I said, speak freely, I'd love to hear. Caleb typed, I have said many times that it is very difficult to describe my God visit. And Dad asked, but you had awareness? Caleb responded, no, not in the sense of your question, yawns. There is an aspect of our reality that does not exist in other space after physical exit from our material self. I asked, what aspect? And Caleb responded, we are all connected to the divine Creator. There is, yawning, no separation.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  However, the construct of reality in this plane teaches we are separate. This is against God's rules, yawning. Once the human race can begin to align with greater purpose, kindness, compassion, and compassion, and realize we are all from Him, then we can perhaps begin to expand beyond the confines of this repetitive reality, and yawns again.

• 41:42Ky Dickens?

  Unbelievable. All right, should we bring him in here? Would that be interesting to see?

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:45Ky Dickens?

  What he has got to say about that? Okay.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 41:59Ky Dickens?

  Hey, here he is. We're almost done, Caleb. We just want to get like some fact checking from you.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  All right.

• 42:07Ky Dickens?

  Anything that came up in here just now when you're watching that you could clarify for us or that you could add more details or information about?

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Why?

• 42:16Ky Dickens?

  Why? Well, I just want people to have as much information as they can. It seems like you know an awful lot about the things that scare people the most, which is where we're going, where we come from, and why we're here. And here's a chance to get answers from someone who has deep knowledge about that. So Caleb just spelled, there's nothing to be frightened about if we can stay centered and in communication with our perfect nature through God. But when you talk about contracts, I think that is something that could sound, I know you were saying it in human terms, like you were trying to make it in our terms. But if you don't fulfill a contract, what happens? Like what do you, how do you get another chance? And Caleb just spelled, as far as this, it's always a decision with God.

• 42:59Ky Dickens?

  This can equate to multiple recurrences in this reality. So someone could have multiple recurrences in this reality. Could you just have one if you get it right?

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:09Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. I mean, that sounds great. I would best imagine most people need a few times to get it right. Thank you for being here, Caleb. Thank you for your writings. Thank you for your intelligence and wisdom. I am going to be rooting for you and your family as they do the work of putting out your book of all your writings. I know your mom is going to do it perfectly because she has you. So does your brother.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. And Dad.

• 43:32Ky Dickens?

  And Dad, your whole family. I also want to just note that Anne Marie has started her own nonprofit called Project One, and it's for families who need a support after a non-fatal drowning, which often includes extreme brain injury or traumatic brain injury. So check that out if you are a family who needs support or is living through something similar. Thank you, Anne Marie and Caleb, for being here. It's been a remarkable journey, hearing what you've gone through. That's it for this episode of The Talk Tracks. But new episodes will be released every Wednesday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. To dive in deeper, subscribe to our Backstage Pass by visiting our website.

• 44:17Ky Dickens?

  With it, you'll unlock access to bonus content like telepathy tests, Ask Me Anything interviews with myself and guests. You'll be able to enjoy the podcast ad free, connect with other members on our Telepathy Tribe Discord, and hear and see exclusive content from the Telepathy Tapes Vault. Visit our website at thetelepathytapes.com for more info on how to subscribe to our Backstage Pass. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Producers Katherine Ellis and Selena Kennedy. Technical directing, audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole. Opening and closing music by Elizabeth P. W. And original logo and cover art by Ben Kindora Design. I'm Kai Dickens, your executive producer, writer, and host.