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CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 Car News
00:00:13 EV Tax Credit is Gone
00:05:38 Slate Truck Is No Longer $20K
00:09:00 Upside
00:10:12 1000 Horsepower Rivian
00:16:35 Nurburgring Crash
00:21:45 Bentley EXP 15 Concept Car
00:26:23 True Classic
00:27:46 Last Ferrari SP3 Daytona
00:31:45 TALK CARS!
00:32:05 Kennan's European Road Trip
00:38:12 Is Filippo Finally Ready To Sell His Abarth?
00:40:43 Kennan's European Road Trip Car
00:44:24 Join CARS & BIDS at Road America!
00:45:21 Doug is Destroying His G-Wagen
00:50:07 MARKET REPORT!
00:50:32 BMW 3.0 CSL "Batmobile"
00:55:01 Ferrari F8 Values
00:57:20 Bulletproof Excursion
01:01:35 QUESTIONS!
01:02:03 Modern Era Back to the Future Car
01:04:20 When Would You Let Your Kids Drive Your Cars?
01:08:33 Doug's Bid History
01:09:35 Replace Your Garage with New Cars
01:11:46 Enzo or MC12?
01:14:09 Would A Manual Macan be Successful?
01:14:45 What Car on C&B Would You Buy?
01:16:48 How Would You Change the Spec of Your Car?
01:20:40 Outro
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1:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan.
1:08 Speaker 03 I'm Filippo.
1:09 Doug DeMuro? And there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news. Ah, EVs. It must be Filippo's story.
1:14 Speaker 03 Correct. The, as part of the big, beautiful bill that passed the Senate and was signed by the president last week, the EV tax credit, which is $7,500 if you qualify, if the car qualifies and there's a used EV tax credit as well, will be phased out more quickly than expected. So it'll be done in September of this year. After that point, there'll be no more EV tax credits. So if you want to lease a Model 3, if you want to lease an Ioniq 5, if you want to lease a Mach-E, it'll be notably more expensive because the federal government is not subsidizing it by $7,500.
1:45 Doug DeMuro? There is no EV tax credit at all?
1:47 Speaker 03 No EV tax credit at all. Now, there are, to be very precise, there are some credits that still apply to auto manufacturers if they manufactured batteries in the US, if they open plants to build batteries in the US. There's some tax credits for them, but there's no consumer level tax credits.
2:03 Doug DeMuro? Right. So the idea is...
2:04 Speaker 03 At the federal level.
2:05 Doug DeMuro? I just don't understand how you can justify... We are sitting here knowing that other country... And we're going to get comments like, "We don't need those EVs. You guys need to stick to..." But like, how do you justify what other countries are manufacturing high-quality, top-level vehicles and making inroads into global foreign markets where... Our automakers are sometimes number one, like Ford in Latin America and in parts of Europe. And you see China coming in with these EVs that are so heavily subsidized by the government. How do you justify our government saying, peace out, we're done, we're gonna just back off this? It's like a self-own.
2:41 Speaker 03 Yep, the rationale that they would share is probably that if there is demand for these, you don't need to incentivize them, you don't need the federal government to intervene. But clearly, a lot of EV adoption in the US has been driven by there being a large incentive, by that bringing the price down to competitive levels. Your point, I think, is a valid one.
3:00 Doug DeMuro? I mean, there's incentives for so many things. People are complaining EVs, well, there's no EV incentive. We don't need EVs. If there was an incentive, if there wasn't an incentive, people would buy them. You know, like the government's putting the incentive on, and that's the only thing that makes people buy. Well, the government puts a massive incentive on buying a home, right? You can deduct your mortgage interest. That's a huge government incentive. Do people take advantage of that? Does that artificially inflate property values? Probably. It's probably also generally good, at least for homeowners. In this case, this would be good for the American people, the American auto industry.
3:32 Speaker 03 It's a very head in the sand approach.
3:34 Doug DeMuro? It's shame to do this because obviously, the way that the automakers will respond is by presumably not putting as much R and D into electric cars because the market won't demand them in the short term. But in the long term, other countries will, realizing that this is obviously the future. I think even the Republicans would probably agree about that. In the long term, the other automakers will then be way ahead. And when it does finally come time for the American brands to come back into the old EV world, we're already gonna be way behind. I, you know, it's unfortunate. The government incentivizes a lot of stuff in order to get it off the ground before the public is ready. And once the public then gets there, then we already have a built-up industry. Anyway, I'm just, I know it's a little bit of a political story, but I'm disappointed by it. I'm not an EV guy.
4:19 Doug DeMuro? I've never owned one, I'm not that into them. But they serve a massive purpose. I mean, you see how many Model 3s and Model Ys are getting sold. They're great commuters, they're great point A to point B boring, easy cars, Uber taxis.
4:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, they're fantastic for that. And so I guess the question then is if this de-incentivizes major manufacturers to stop developing these cars, what does that do for companies that only produce?
4:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, we can't foretell the future. There's a lot of analysts, kind of like stock analysts, that do expect that this will help Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, companies that will have to continue to invest in that to live. There's also a question, though, of can those companies survive if there is
4:57 Doug DeMuro? Can they survive?
4:58 Speaker 03 I will say.
4:59 Doug DeMuro? Have you been on Tesla's website? Ken, go to Tesla's website right now. Have you seen this?
5:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:03 Doug DeMuro? Tesla's website right now has a massive banner at the top. The biggest, the biggest like banner I have ever seen on Tesla's website. $7500 federal tax credit ending. Come get your car.
5:17 Speaker 03 Yep. Now, some of the really expensive EVs have already not qualified, right? Part of the Inflation Reduction Act that the Biden administration passed, limited what price the, like, changed the cap for prices and made it so the car needs to be built in the US with some US componentry. So some of the, especially the higher end EVs don't have not been receiving a tax credit. So maybe that that means that Rivian, Lucid are a little bit less impacted.
5:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
5:41 Speaker 03 But nonetheless, big deal.
5:43 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, it's an interesting thing. To be honest, I think we should probably be going in the other direction. I think we should probably be forcing automakers more and more to figure out new, better technologies so that they can compete on the global scale. You know, America's not the only country anymore, and it's not even the largest market. You laugh, but for a long time, America was like the car market. You know, like, if you could succeed in America, you were a global automaker. And now Asia exists and, you know, these other developing markets will start to be invaded essentially by Chinese brands because American brands aren't up, aren't going to up to their standards. And that's partially because of decisions like this. Anyway, that's just my take. It's, I'm not an EV person myself. I got a V10, V12, Ken. We're all.
6:25 Speaker 04 You got a charge port ready to go in your garage. You're ready to make that switch when it happens.
6:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but I'm, you know, I'm not like jumping out there to buy an EV. They got to come to me with a Mercedes wagon first.
6:36 Speaker 03 Matter of time.
6:37 Speaker 04 There it is. That's right.
6:38 Doug DeMuro? All right. Give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes.
6:42 Speaker 04 Oh, more EVs.
6:43 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of EVs, Filippo, do you want to talk about this?
6:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, Slate is, I said this when Slate announced their premise, which was we're a new car that is under 20 grand. That was driven by a $7,500 tax credit. That's gone. Period. The Slate will not be out before then, obviously. That's gone. So that's now a $27,500 truck in the pricing that they announced when they launched as a publicity stunt.
7:10 Doug DeMuro? Right.
7:11 Speaker 03 That's not an appealing new car price. That's not like a cheap vehicle anymore.
7:16 Doug DeMuro? No, the Maverick starts at 27 and has four doors.
7:19 Speaker 03 And more than 180 miles range and, you know, history behind it, let's say. They're gone. I mean, it's tough.
7:27 Doug DeMuro? I think that's completely right and requires no infrastructure in order to, you know, charge it at home and.
7:32 Speaker 03 Or add speakers, you know, things like that.
7:34 Doug DeMuro? So here's a question. Is Slate, I mean, is it over? Like, I noticed they've changed their website to say that it starts in the mid 20s now. Because the $20,000 thing was like their big selling point. Is it over? Like, is it over, over?
7:51 Speaker 03 No, probably.
7:53 Doug DeMuro? Are people still interested in this?
7:54 Speaker 03 A lot can happen between now and the end of 2026 or whenever they said the first ones were going to come out. They hope certainly that people will be interested in them, but man, that pricing does not work in their favor anymore.
8:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Are you interested?
8:09 Speaker 03 No, I wasn't interested before, but I'm certainly not interested now that.
8:12 Speaker 04 You went to their event.
8:13 Speaker 03 I know, it was a great event.
8:14 Speaker 04 Sway you? No, I figured it wouldn't.
8:16 Doug DeMuro? Filippo doesn't get swayed by things like that, although he happily would consume it.
8:22 Doug DeMuro? So that's it. That's it for Slate. We all, are we sitting all here, sitting predicting their demise? I mean, Filippo basically just did.
8:28 Speaker 04 It's hard to have a demise when you haven't done anything yet. You know, I mean, that's kind of.
8:32 Doug DeMuro? They have some pretty serious backers, though. You have to assume they will come to market.
8:35 Speaker 03 I think they'll come to market. I think there's a chance that it becomes like a cult hit. I think there's a chance that by the time it comes to market, there's other incentives at play that mean that it can be interesting again, but.
8:46 Doug DeMuro? You got to assume there will again be, I just wanted this rant about killing the EV tax credit is a mistake, but you got to assume the Democrats get back into power if such a thing is ever possible again. They'll probably put another EV tax, or even a split, a more moderate Congress would probably do it too, recognizing some of the stuff that I was just talking about.
9:04 Speaker 03 I wouldn't be surprised if they push launch if they decide to wait till there is a more supportive climate for that. I wouldn't be surprised if they change some of their packaging to add options back in that they had planned to be options to try to make that price point more worth it. But
9:21 Doug DeMuro? I will say that if your car is is kind of lives and dies by the political winds,
9:27 Doug DeMuro? you know, it's not really, you know, the Mustang's been going since sixty four and a half.
9:32 Speaker 03 And that's electric.
9:33 Doug DeMuro? It went through Vietnam, it went through the Gulf, it went through nine eleven. Here it go. Yeah, now it's an electric SUV. So, you know, it's great. It's doing great. So anyway, Slate, I this isn't even a news story like this. This is only a news story in the sense that things have changed for them. Like, there's no news about it. But it is interesting to speculate on what happens there.
9:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:56 Doug DeMuro? Especially after all the hoopla and hype just a couple of months ago when they first announced.
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11:12 Doug DeMuro? All right, what's our next news story, Kenner? What do you have?
11:15 Speaker 03 Oh, I get to keep talking about EVs. What a, what a day for, I was gone for a week and I get to talk about EVs just the entire day today. This is great.
11:22 Speaker 04 Hang in there. There's a Ferrari story later on. Just keep, you keep going.
11:25 Speaker 03 Rivian finally announced the R1T and R1S that we all knew was coming, which is a quad motor, R1T, R1S. Have you heard about this?
11:33 Speaker 04 I have.
11:34 Speaker 03 Do you have any idea how much power this puts out?
11:36 Speaker 04 It's gotta be a thousand something, right?
11:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's, it's a thousand twenty-five horsepower, eleven hundred ninety-eight pound-feet of torque from a motor in each wheel. That's insane. Two point five seconds zero sixty time.
11:47 Speaker 04 It's insane, but it's not surprising anymore. Everything that comes up that's new in EV is a thousand horsepower, it feels like. And back, back in my day, when the, and you know, Doug recalls the Veyron, you know, a thousand horsepower is like, oh my God. And now it's like, yeah.
12:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:02 Speaker 04 But it also, I mean.
12:03 Speaker 03 Two point five seconds zero sixty. I will say, Jason Camisa over at Hagerty had a phenomenal drag race video with this and a Lucid Gravity and a Macan EV Turbo and a couple other cars.
12:13 Speaker 04 Cybertruck included?
12:14 Speaker 03 No, but the, just the speed off the line of the, the R1S that they tested had, just wild to watch. It's limited to one thirty. And at the quarter mile, it's, should be past one thirty, so that slows it down, but insane.
12:26 Doug DeMuro? Really?
12:27 Speaker 03 Yeah. Couple of other quick things.
12:28 Doug DeMuro? What did it, what did it run the quarter in?
12:30 Speaker 03 I don't remember from the video, you have to look, but I think it's a ten point five second quarter mile.
12:34 Doug DeMuro? It's running at ten, but it's, but it's, but it's top speed limited. Interesting.
12:37 Speaker 03 Could be a little faster.
12:39 Doug DeMuro? Kenan, you make such an interesting point. I remember when I was a kid, it was generally agreed that like the supercars of today will be the, like the normal cars of like twenty years. And, and that was, that was, you could see that happening, like the Ferrari 308. Like by the time I was a kid, the Camry was that fast. And it was like, okay, that, that will happen. And you could imagine it. And I was like, then the Veyron came out and I was like, well, that'll never happen again. And no, no, it did. It actually did happen again.
13:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:07 Doug DeMuro? Twenty years later, here we are, a pickup truck that you're going to be able to buy on CarVon Bids for forty-seven thousand dollars in about four years. It has more power than a Veyron.
13:15 Speaker 04 So where does it go from here? Does it go anywhere from here? Because it, I mean.
13:20 Doug DeMuro? It goes to fish tanks. I'm serious. No, you're, this, this sounds insane. People's looking at me like, like my dog does when I'm holding a tree, but.
13:31 Doug DeMuro? But here's my thinking. Power is done.
13:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
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14:08 Doug DeMuro? The next frontier is weird quirks.
14:11 Speaker 04 Hmm.
14:13 Doug DeMuro? So the gear tunnel like that truck has and fish tanks and any other thing that we can throw in these vehicles to make them stand out. Power is no longer going to make vehicles stand out. Acceleration is only going to make things vehicles stand out. An indoor basketball court would make a vehicle stand out. I'm not, that's not as insane as it sounds.
14:32 Speaker 04 The Chinese are on to us. Their cars are jumping, their cars can float. You know, I mean, you got a point. This is a field day for you. Talk about job security.
14:40 Doug DeMuro? That's right. It is a field day for me, but I legit think that like the cars of the future will no longer be distinguished by powertrain or performance. They will be distinguished by what like amenities they offer. And yes, that's such a good point. The Chinese already have already figured this out. I'm over here like I'm groundbreaking, but no, I'm not. The Chinese, once again, the Chinese beat me to it probably because I have no tax credit personally.
15:02 Speaker 04 That's what it was.
15:03 Doug DeMuro? I had a tax credit to ideate. If they paid, if they gave me like money off my taxes to just sit and think, I would have thought of this.
15:12 Speaker 03 A couple of other things on the R1S and R1T quad motor to get back on track. R1T is about 118K including destination. R1S is 124ish with destination. It now has tank turn. It can do the same tank turn that the G wagon can do, et cetera, which is exciting.
15:28 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
15:28 Speaker 03 Apparently off-road capability, as good as you'd expect from Rivian's, which is incredibly good, motor in each wheel means that there's a lot of controllability, which is cool.
15:36 Doug DeMuro? And, and no driveline in the middle. By the way, can't turn is an example of a fish tank.
15:40 Speaker 04 True. That's a fish tank as a category.
15:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:42 Speaker 04 It's a, it's a fish tank.
15:43 Speaker 03 A fish tank turn, in fact.
15:45 Speaker 04 Uh, nice. Thank you.
15:46 Doug DeMuro? It is though. It is. It is. It's a gimmick that like is something they can offer.
15:51 Speaker 03 Yep. Rivian has also announced that coming out in September, there'll be a bunch of new customizability on all of their new R1S and R1T. So you can change every single setting of the, uh, each motor, the suspension, et cetera, which will be interesting. Uh, and the last thing I want to mention is something that we talked about a few weeks ago, which is that there's only like two ways to identify the, the R1S you're seeing as a quad motor and has a thousand whatever horsepower. And that is blue brake calipers and a slightly different badge. That is it. They are missing so many opportunities to make the fact that they have a thousand 25 horsepower, 1,200 pound feet of torque SUV. And instead they have a light, slightly different badge that says quad in tiny letters and blue brake calipers.
16:33 Doug DeMuro? You know, I find this, that's, this is an interesting segue into a topic we should have covered a while ago, which is in today's world of excess and showmanship and, and things being okay kind of to be showy. Um, where, where there are so many people overtly wearing brands and building bigger houses and bigger yachts and like this is a thing, private planes. It's weird to me that several cars have done this recently. It's not just Rivian.
16:57 Speaker 03 No.
16:57 Doug DeMuro? The Wrangler 392 is basically impossible to tell apart from a regular Wrangler. The Defender Octa is basically impossible to tell apart, but, but I mean, we're talking this ain't a Raptor. You know, like I assumed they would make a Raptor with fenders and graphics and wheels and it really didn't. This is another example. We always talk about how Lucid is like this. We Tesla with the plaid badge that you can buy on eBay. It's kind of interesting. Why aren't they like, it's, it's cheaper to manufacture, of course, but the whole thing has always been, you want people to spend, you know, they look like they spent more and they want to brag to their neighbor.
17:32 Speaker 04 Right. And so many performance brands have done this in the past. I mean, like the cars of modern where it was largely a body kit. You upgrade stuff, but like you, it is visually instantly definable. Yeah. It is a weird thing to like, let go by the wayside. It just is.
17:46 Speaker 03 Flip side to that, if you're Swiss and don't want anybody to know, you have the expensive one. Success.
17:52 Doug DeMuro? You're already good. You're already good. You don't even.
17:54 Speaker 03 You don't need to de-batch. Yep.
17:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, well, not many of us are Swiss.
17:58 Speaker 04 Sadly.
18:00 Doug DeMuro? God, no, I'm kidding. I love this Swiss. For a long time I hated this Swiss, and then I realized I was just jealous of them.
18:05 Speaker 04 Yep.
18:05 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, move on to the next news story, which is our most important news story, the Nürburgring crash. Oh, it's this. Let's talk about the Nürburgring.
18:13 Doug DeMuro? What is the Nürburgring crash? Okay, there was a crash at the Nürburgring. Filippo, did you see the video?
18:19 Speaker 04 I did.
18:20 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna play it?
18:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:21 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my God, okay. The Porsche comes in here and then bam!
18:25 Speaker 04 Gets whacked by this M2, yeah. Boom.
18:28 Doug DeMuro? Bam! Now, that is a serious impact. Both drivers were okay, shockingly.
18:33 Speaker 04 That's a, first of all, testament to modern cars. I think that's the talking point more than anything. Like, they both, they walked away. Fifteen years ago, like, this...
18:43 Doug DeMuro? No chance.
18:44 Speaker 04 I don't know. I don't know that you would have walked away from it.
18:45 Doug DeMuro? Watch this again. Now, I want to stress a couple of things. I want to stress a couple of things. On the, at the Nürburgring, you must pass on the left like it's a freeway. That's the rule. And the Porsche was doing that. Something that nobody's talking about, about this crash is that the BMW was from the UK. It has British license plates, and so the driver was on the other side of the car, so the Porsche was coming into a blind spot. Now, when you're on the racetrack like this, you should be very aware of where everybody is at any point. Um, however, I have a suspicion that that played a little bit of a role. It's a serious, serious accident. They have these tourist days at the Nürburgring. This happened during a tourist day. You're not supposed to go flat out during a tourist day. You're supposed to just kind of go. And so a lot of people are putting some of the blame on the Porsche driver because, uh, he, he, that was a somewhat risky pass.
19:29 Doug DeMuro? And that would have been a very acceptable pass in a race. Uh, but in, in a tourist day where you're passing just a guy who drove in from the UK, it's a little sketchy. Nonetheless, to me, it looks like the BMW probably should have been aware, especially because there's a longer in-car video of the Porsche, where the Porsche is on the BMW's tail for turn after turn, and it's really clear that the Porsche is ready to pass. And if you know anything about cars, as the driver of a BMW M2 driving at the Nürburgring would, you know that your car is slower. Nonetheless, crazy stuff. But yes, I think the big story here is, uh, what, I mean, the front end of the Porsche came off, like, off.
20:04 Speaker 04 There was a fire. Yeah, there was, yeah. It ruptured the fuel tank. There was an instant fire. Um, I mean, it was in the air like this, like, it was, it was traveling, you know, on a plane, 180 degrees, like you normally would to the ground. And then it was 90 degrees to the ground. And so like, that's, you know, that's some wild stuff.
20:21 Doug DeMuro? And then to be okay, I mean, I presume these guys are wearing helmets, but they probably don't have roll cages. These are just cars, you know?
20:28 Speaker 03 And to be fair, like the passenger compartment is impressively intact in both. Modern engineering.
20:35 Doug DeMuro? Every time I see an accident with a high speed accident with a modern car on a dash cam or whatever, I'm always astonished by the crumple zones. They really do a great job of keeping the passenger compartment intact. It's really amazing.
20:46 Speaker 03 Especially impressive because this is real speed. I mean, in that video, the N11 was doing about 200 kilometers an hour. Uh, real, real speed. There's not crash testing at that speed. And you know also that, I mean, these are both relatively light vehicles, which help them both. The amount of uh, just energy in that crash is crazy.
21:08 Doug DeMuro? Insane. You're right that there's not crash testing at that speed. And frankly, the automakers are not really incentivized to create a safe car at that speed. I mean, a, a, a safe car in theory is safe in all cities, but like the automakers don't. If someone's going 130 miles an hour and they die in the car, the automaker is like, well.
21:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:24 Doug DeMuro? But here we go. So Ken, let me ask you this. Does this make you scared to drive the Nürburgring and/or want a GT3RS?
21:33 Speaker 04 Uh, well, GT3RS is a wonderful car. I don't know what I would use fun for. It's a little bit too extreme for me. I, I do want to go to the Nürburgring and drive around it. I'm just genuinely still terrified to do so, even as a tourist, like I, for, not just for reasons like this, but I just don't want to be in people's way, which I inevitably will be. Um, I would do the ring taxi thing is still what I think I would do and, you know, have some, a professional scare me in an M5. I think that would be great.
21:57 Doug DeMuro? You would be in people's way, but like if you watch those ring videos, sometimes I get into it. People, people are in people's way. I mean, there's people who drive, you know, Volkswagen Polos and just kind of do it. And nobody's a timing on a tourist day.
22:11 Speaker 04 No, I think, I think everybody has to do it. And then you earn the right to have the sticker on something. I would never put on the car, of course. Um, but I think, I think that, um, I think it would be, it would be, it would be fun. I'll do it at some stage.
22:25 Speaker 03 Have you done it though?
22:26 Speaker 04 You've done it, haven't you?
22:27 Speaker 03 Have you driven the Nürburgring?
22:28 Doug DeMuro? No, I'm not a big, I'm not a big like track driving motorsports guy. I would love to do it. Um, it's also not tremendously convenient to the places that I like to vacation in Europe. And, and when I travel, I usually don't make cars like a component of my vacation. My last vehicle when I was in Europe that I rented was a Mercedes V220D, uh, which I crashed. Uh, and so.
22:51 Speaker 04 So probably not a great start for you then if crashing happened off the track to begin with.
22:55 Doug DeMuro? Right, right, right. Um, but I think it would be cool. I think it would definitely be interesting. And Kenan, I think that you should do it and report back. Aren't you going to Europe here in the next couple of weeks?
23:05 Speaker 04 I am. We can talk about it a little bit more. I plan to in the talk car segment when we get there. But yes, I am going to Europe very soon. I will be doing a lot of driving.
23:12 Doug DeMuro? Kenan's Europe trip coming up, folks. Uh, all right. Give us our next news story.
23:17 Speaker 04 That's chaos. Ah, yes, the Bentley EXP 15. So this is a concept that Bentley recently released that is, again, underscoring concept. Now, they have an EV that's coming out next year, and this allegedly will have some tie into that car. But there are a couple of things to note about it. One of them is that this car, one thing I think is it retains this huge, slabby grill in front end. Now, it's an EV, which means it doesn't need a grill.
23:42 Doug DeMuro? No.
23:42 Speaker 04 But Bentley decided as a styling thing, they wanted to keep this, quote, to retain, to create a piece of digital art. That's how they described this, this front grill. But the thing is that are weird about this concept and why it's clearly a concept is it only has three seats. Despite being, when they showed pictures of it, they had it next to a 1930 Bentley Speed 6, which is a massive car. And they had it next to that. And then you look at it and it's like, oh, it seats three people. And there's a spot to put your dog.
24:11 Doug DeMuro? Wait, what?
24:12 Speaker 04 Which is, that's right.
24:13 Doug DeMuro? Wait.
24:14 Speaker 04 Yes. You may be excused. So instead of having a fourth seat, see, it's being a British car. I'll pull up a picture of it. So in, instead of being, instead of having another seat, so this, you see?
24:28 Doug DeMuro? Your dog.
24:29 Speaker 03 It's a dog.
24:30 Speaker 04 That is where a dog goes.
24:30 Speaker 03 It's a concept car in their concept car photos, but you, you have to assume that this portends the direction that Bentley Design will go.
24:38 Doug DeMuro? May I?
24:39 Speaker 04 It seems to.
24:40 Doug DeMuro? A hot take, a Sean style hot take right here. I like it.
24:44 Speaker 03 You like it?
24:46 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you why I like it. I'll tell you why I like it. Go to, go to a picture of the current generation Continental GT.
24:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean.
24:54 Doug DeMuro? The new type in new Continental.
24:56 Speaker 03 He's not gonna find the new one. He's gonna find the old one cuz well.
24:59 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so that's the new Continental GT, right? Great. All right. Now type, go to, go find a picture of the 2019 Continental GT.
25:06 Speaker 03 All right. Are you gonna make him go through every single six years cuz you got a ways to go.
25:11 Doug DeMuro? You know, no, no, no, no. I, I, there's only four generations somehow. 2019 Continental GT. You got that pulled up? Okay, now go to see a picture of the 2013 Continental GT.
25:23 Speaker 04 Even I can pick up on a pattern here.
25:25 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna make a lot more sense in posts. All right, 2013 Continental GT. Okay, now go to a picture of the 2007 Continental GT.
25:33 Speaker 03 You know, they needed a new direction. I agree.
25:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like at the end of the day, I think this thing, the, the concept car thing is kinda heinous, but like. This is, they've been iterating. This car came out in 2003.
25:46 Speaker 04 I'd like to point out, there's one more Continental you're missing.
25:49 Speaker 03 What?
25:49 Doug DeMuro? Those are the four generations.
25:51 Speaker 04 There's a 1997 Continental.
25:53 Doug DeMuro? Well, okay, but you're missing the point I'm making.
25:56 Speaker 04 I know the point you're making, but I love. They do iterate occasionally since they have it in 20 years.
26:02 Speaker 03 I, he, here's the thing. I agree they need a new design language. And I actually do like that it lo, it has more presence than the Continental GT does.
26:10 Doug DeMuro? Same.
26:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, the, the new one has more presence, which we talked about like Rolls Royce values kinda holding because there's such road presence. In their design, that this has that. It also looks, I think, like what the Jaguar T's design looks like.
26:23 Speaker 04 It does look like that.
26:24 Speaker 03 And it.
26:26 Speaker 03 Has Aston Martin taillights and it's weird.
26:30 Doug DeMuro? It's weird.
26:31 Speaker 04 I don't know. It, it, it'll, it is interesting. If this is the direction Bentley goes, it is, it is kinda back to the more square, boxy, stately, fire your dad look. Of the Arnage and the original Continental. Um, but.
26:43 Doug DeMuro? Cars that we love, cars that we love, the, the, the Brooklands. I mean, this has Brooklands vibes. This has Brooklands vibes.
26:50 Speaker 04 Yep, especially, I could picture, yeah, I, I can see it. So I don't know. I mean, again, it's a concept that this might not factor into it at all in the end. Who knows?
26:57 Speaker 03 There's also a very modern interior in the prototype or in the, the, the picture that they, they've shown. It looks kinda cool.
27:03 Speaker 04 The dog picture.
27:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, that picture has a very modern interior, like huge touchscreen and cool stuff.
27:07 Speaker 04 I gotta say, in the world of three seater British cars, you know, which is this and the T50, uh, the T50 can't store a dog. So there's that.
27:15 Doug DeMuro? There's another one, which is the Speedtail. And I'll tell you something, they're all illegal in the US, including this, because of airbag regulations.
27:22 Speaker 04 Wow.
27:23 Doug DeMuro? The, the, the, the rear seats need to have an airbag. Like, there's a certain number of inches from the seat that the airbag has to be. And this would not, uh, this would not be allowed in the US.
27:34 Speaker 04 Tragic.
27:34 Doug DeMuro? Not that it will, because it's a concept car, but I do think it, as Filippo says, portends, or perhaps he means behooves, the future of Bentley design. And you know what? I'm, I'm ready for a radical change. I've been, it's been too iterative, too iterative. We need something to come in and fire your dad. All right, give us the next news story, is there another one? Today's episode is brought to you by True Classic, the makers of really, really nice shirts and other garments that actually fit. Look, I'm a style icon. My signature two t-shirts are known around the globe, but sometimes I want just one nice fitting shirt that's comfortable in all the right areas while adding a bit of definition to my appearance.
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29:16 Speaker 04 There's one more. I promised a Ferrari story, and it's in there. It has to do with the SP3 Daytona. So the SP3 is coming to its end of production.
29:24 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
29:24 Speaker 04 Ferrari said that they're going to build one more. They built 599.
29:29 Speaker 04 599 examples for the world officially 599 we'll see if that remains true and they're gonna build one more the 500 of 5 or the 600 of 599 and this one isn't going to a customer directly is going to auction they're auctioning it off for charity all the proceeds will go to one of Ferrari's charities so this is the easiest way if you want a brand new SP3 Daytona to get it because nobody could get an allocation for that car was impossible to come by and Ferrari
29:56 Doug DeMuro? Does it have to look like that or can you configure?
29:58 Speaker 04 That is the unfortunate thing it does have to look like this and for our audio listeners it is half yellow half exposed carbon fiber and it says in case you didn't know it was a Ferrari it has Ferrari script on the hood but it says F E R part of another R and then cabin and then on the back it finishes the rest of it which I think is amazing but don't worry it doesn't end there it comes with a bunch of accessories they're giving you all the new car stuff but it also comes with something it comes with a carbon handbag they're calling the Maranello clutch now I always related that with a to a sound because you know in a Maranello clutch you know you go as it wears on the clutches you shift gears but no this is a bag
30:36 Doug DeMuro? 575 Maranello
30:37 Speaker 04 575 Maranello clutch does that but this it's just it's it's just outrageous
30:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah if you're an audio listener he said it's half yellow and half green I want to point out the half or the right and left it's not like the front and back
30:50 Speaker 04 The driver you know and I think they're making a commentary there because Ferrari's all about the driver and so the the driver side is all bare carbon and aggressive and the other side painted
30:59 Doug DeMuro? I don't carbon on one side
31:01 Speaker 04 Bare carbon yes
31:02 Speaker 03 I don't hate it
31:04 Speaker 04 Yeah it doesn't you don't hate it
31:06 Doug DeMuro? There are people who only think this car is yellow
31:09 Speaker 03 Yeah
31:09 Speaker 04 And there are other people only think
31:10 Doug DeMuro? Driving down the road
31:13 Speaker 04 And then the people see it from above and those people get the real show they go
31:17 Doug DeMuro? They'll know that it's a Ferrari
31:19 Speaker 03 I originally don't think it looks that bad I don't think the SP3 is a particularly attractive automobile so this doesn't hurt it
31:26 Doug DeMuro? Dude if they made the SP3 the stick I would never even think about the F40 ever again all my thoughts would be about the SP3
31:32 Speaker 03 So the uh correct me if I'm wrong because this is not my world but a lot of 500 lot Ferrari sold for something like 7 million dollars at the at the time which was five times the original MSRP do you expect this to go for five times whatever the SP3 is
31:46 Speaker 04 I think the MSRP of the SP3 is about 2 million dollars I think officially
31:49 Speaker 03 It's a 10 million dollar car
31:51 Speaker 04 I don't know about, I mean, maybe. I don't know. It's gonna be a very identifiable.
31:56 Speaker 03 Easiest way to get one, but also it costs five.
31:58 Doug DeMuro? No, I bet you it is 10 million. First off, it's probably a write-off. The charity auctions are probably a write-off. I don't know how they do their charity auctions, but you can never really trust results from charity auctions because a lot of the time, it's a tax deduction for the person who's buying the good. Because usually what it is, is you pay the full value of the good, 2 million, and then you can write off the amount of.
32:18 Speaker 03 Anything above.
32:18 Doug DeMuro? I'm not sure how that'll work and it's Italy and who knows, but that's often how these things go. Second, um, the last of these cars is always really special. The final Enzo, which was given to the Pope, and then auctioned for, um, tsunami relief victims is still a famous car, like the last of breed is like still. And the SP3 is the greatest Ferrari they've made since the F50, so it has, it has some value too.
32:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, I suppose. It is a shame it looks like that, but that's, uh, that's just how it is. Nonetheless, that is the, that is the end of the SP3 Daytona. I hope they still make some NA12 cylinder stuff. It seems unlikely, given that the F80 is going to be, is a turbo hybrid V6, but nonetheless, SP3 Daytona.
33:00 Doug DeMuro? Well, I think they will still make 12 cylinder stuff because they actually currently just came out with a new car called the 12-cylinder that has 12.
33:06 Speaker 04 Well, yes, but I, my limited edition crazy stuff like this, like I can hope that that continues to be something that they make. And I, I think they should.
33:14 Doug DeMuro? I bet it will. Uh, okay. We need to move on to the talk car segment, which is when we talk about cars. Now you've been thinking, we've been talking about cars. No, no, we talk about cars differently in this segment. And, um, this segment is brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest place on the internet.
33:29 Speaker 03 Yep, done, period.
33:30 Doug DeMuro? No other qualifiers.
33:32 Speaker 03 At a sense.
33:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Um, I want to talk about, uh, Kenan's European road trip. Kenan, tell us about this.
33:39 Speaker 04 Yes, so I am going to Europe. A friend of mine, Luke, is getting married, uh, in France. His wife's family is, is, soon to be wife's family is, is mostly from there. So all my friends and I are getting together and descending upon Europe to go to the wedding. Uh, and I am turning it into a, very much a grand tour. So I'm flying into Frankfurt, spending a day there, picking up a car, then driving to Paris, spending a couple of days there, then down to La Moche where the wedding is, then to the south of France, spending a little time in Monaco. Doug tells me I shouldn't waste my time there, but I've never been to Monaco and I want to see supercars.
34:09 Speaker 03 Stradman was there, you gotta be there.
34:11 Speaker 04 I, right.
34:11 Doug DeMuro? I, I take this, I take it back. I take it back. I mean, I don't think I'll ever go again, but I, I, I was, I watched, I made a video.
34:17 Speaker 04 I watched your video, yeah.
34:19 Doug DeMuro? You watched that car spotting in Monaco video? I watched that video again like a couple of weeks ago, God knows why. And I'm like, oh, my God, I used to see that must have been, it was so crazy. I will say I did that before there were car spotter kids running around everywhere. And I'm told that now it's like pretty intense. Like there's just kids with cameras like everywhere. Any part of that video, there's crazy stuff dropping by. It's like a wild video.
34:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, four five eight was new at that. I mean, it is an un, for those of you who can't see, go back and watch.
34:46 Doug DeMuro? Like every part of this video, I was watching this like jaw dropped. I couldn't, I couldn't, I didn't remember that it was quite as insane as it was, but it was insane.
34:56 Speaker 04 One, seven, seven. I mean, that is nuts. Now, granted, I am expecting it to mostly be brand new stuff because this was new stuff at the time. And you, uh, the vanquish wasn't when it drove by.
35:05 Doug DeMuro? There's, there's, you, you will see some older stuff. You'll see some older stuff for sure.
35:08 Speaker 04 I'm very, but I'm very excited.
35:09 Doug DeMuro? Some older stuff.
35:10 Speaker 04 I also do want to kind of go, oh, six, 12. I want to go kind of wander around and like, you know, in parking garages. I, I want to go do the Monaco thing. I'm staying not far from there. Um, I'm staying there for a little, wow. Um, I'm staying there for a, a, a little while. Then I'm, then I'm going on, dropping my friends off. They're flying back to the United States and then I continue by myself. I'm going along the Riviera and then up into Italy and staying at Lake Como. Then I'm going through Switzerland to Liechtenstein because I want that passport stamp as one of the weird countries.
35:37 Doug DeMuro? Not be a passport stamp, you recognize that, right?
35:38 Speaker 04 They do stamp it there because it's a tourist thing. They know that's why people go.
35:42 Doug DeMuro? I got it.
35:42 Speaker 04 You have it too?
35:43 Doug DeMuro? Tourist office, yeah. You go to the tourist office and they stand before you for like a year or whatever.
35:48 Speaker 04 It's worth it to me. It is real.
35:50 Doug DeMuro? So I, I was there. I walked into the tourist office, there was one group ahead of me and they were riding on motorcycles from Iceland with Iceland plates.
35:57 Speaker 04 That's amazing. That's what I'm hoping, that's the sort of stuff I'm looking to find. Um, and then from there, I'm going to Stuttgart, I'm going to the Mercedes Benz Museum and the Porsche Museum. Staying very close to the Porsche, which I'm very excited about. And then from there, I'm doing the big thing for me. One week after my friend is married is the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa. And I'm going to Spa. I'm si, I have seats at the base of the Rouge. So, so as a Formula One fan, I'm there for free.
36:19 Doug DeMuro? Get this video out of here. It's distract, it'll distract, it's Filippo's distracted already. I, and if I'm distracted, every viewer is too.
36:25 Speaker 04 Yes.
36:25 Doug DeMuro? So, so you're going to Formula One, like you're going to see, uh, Vettel or, or, uh, whoever.
36:30 Speaker 04 If he's there, because he's not driving, if he's there in a, in a different capacity, I, you know, I'd love to see him. Um, but yes, I'm going to go see Formula One at my favorite racetrack. The Belgian Grand Prix is my favorite race. Every single year Spa is my favorite circuit. And so to be there is like, it'll be a life changing thing. I'm staying. Pretty close to the track too, which is awesome. I'm there for all three days and it's unbelievably inexpensive to do this, by the way. If these larger legacy circuits get a big deal from Formula One, there's a ticket, the amount they have to kick up to the sport basically is substantially lower than other circuits like the newest ones in the United States that are owned by the sport itself. And so the tickets are not expensive. I think I paid 500 euros for the whole three days.
37:13 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
37:13 Speaker 04 Whereas like I'm also going to the Mexican Grand Prix in the fall and that was 500 euros for just Sunday or 500 dollars for just Sunday. So it seems like a deal to me if you can get there, of course, like the cost is incurred getting there, but nonetheless, it should be quite a trip. I'm gone for a while. But so I will not be on the next couple of podcasts, which makes me sad.
37:33 Doug DeMuro? You're leaving, this is your last pod?
37:35 Speaker 04 This is my last pod for a couple of weeks. And then I will be back and regale you with stories of Europe.
37:39 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, we're gonna lose Kenan.
37:41 Speaker 03 We're gonna lose Kenan.
37:42 Speaker 04 I'm sure crazy Nick will fill in.
37:45 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna be driving around Europe, going to Monaco, you'd be driving an M5 around Monaco.
37:50 Speaker 04 Damn. It's going to be, it'll be exciting. I can't wait to go and it'll be, it'll be a great trip. I haven't been back to Europe in a very long time, so I'm really excited.
37:58 Speaker 03 I'm excited for you to go.
37:58 Speaker 04 I'm excited to see some very small European cars for you.
38:01 Speaker 03 Please take some photos.
38:02 Speaker 04 And I'll take some pictures of stuff for you and I'll send it, I'll submit it as a question.
38:06 Speaker 03 Please do. Please enjoy Italy especially, which is the best country.
38:10 Speaker 04 It is and I wish I could be there longer.
38:11 Speaker 03 A lot. I'm excited for you to get to see Formula One race.
38:14 Doug DeMuro? Kenan, remember two things.
38:17 Doug DeMuro? You can go as fast as you want in Italy, however, and there's no exceptions to that. In Germany, it's only when the lines are through the thing. I don't know if you know the symbol, but.
38:27 Speaker 04 I know the symbol.
38:28 Doug DeMuro? In Switzerland, do not even go one mile an hour above the speed limit. I'm not screwing with you. Your friend will be arrested the next time he even thinks about me.
38:37 Speaker 04 I plan to set this, the speed governor below the speed limit. The city's controlled.
38:43 Speaker 03 It will be the smoothest roads you've ever been on.
38:46 Speaker 04 That I am excited about.
38:46 Speaker 03 That are empty.
38:47 Speaker 04 I'm excited for like, you know, Switzerland is a country I wish I could spend more time into. I don't have any time to do watch stuff unfortunately, but that's how it goes.
38:54 Doug DeMuro? Well, what a shame. What a damn shame, I'll tell you.
38:57 Speaker 04 Liechtenstein beckons, you know?
38:59 Speaker 03 Liechtenstein beckons.
39:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Yeah. You know, hey, when I was in Liechtenstein, I saw a G-Cab.
39:05 Speaker 03 Oh, I'll keep an eye on it for you.
39:07 Doug DeMuro? They have the best license plates in all of Europe. So there's some things going for it.
39:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:12 Doug DeMuro? I actually thought that was a very cute little city, and I think you will enjoy your trip. And I'm very sad that you're going to be leaving us, but it sounds like it'll be magical.
39:20 Speaker 04 I think it will be. It'll be. It'll be a fun trip, and I haven't done a trip like this in a very long time. So we found a proper grand tour.
39:28 Doug DeMuro? Why is Emily not coming with you?
39:30 Speaker 04 I didn't say she wasn't.
39:31 Speaker 03 Oh.
39:33 Speaker 04 Wow. She has, but yeah, we, her M3 CRT doesn't get the best fuel economy.
39:40 Doug DeMuro? All right, Felipe, you got some topics for us, but they're not very interesting, except for the Abarth. Let's talk about the Abarth.
39:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, I have a Fiat 500 Barth Cabriolet. I've had it for two and a half years. I've put not very many miles on it. It's been reliable, fully. It's never needed anything. It's never gone or anything. And very soon it's going to be on Cars and Bids.
40:00 Doug DeMuro? Why? How are you going to disclose the poor way in which you've treated the car? Like, what is your plan?
40:06 Speaker 03 I, I do have a plan, which is there's going to be a video where I go through every single flaw. I learned of a flaw two weeks ago when I was, when I was driving with some friends and they pointed out some flaws of the cars that I can't see.
40:17 Doug DeMuro? You're not going to be able to capture all the flaws and?
40:20 Speaker 03 I'm going to try. I'm going to be a 20 minute long video and it's going to be every single flaw that I can think of.
40:25 Speaker 04 We have some disclose, some language we use to disclose cars that are particularly rough. I don't think your car is rough enough to qualify for that.
40:32 Speaker 03 It's the bitter responsibility to review the photo gallery and yeah.
40:35 Speaker 04 Dude, this is part of placing a bid.
40:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm familiar. No, I, the car's been great. It has been legitimately flawless in that it's never had a single mechanical issue that has strained me in any way. It's gone just oil changes. It has been legitimately reliable. I just am no longer like enjoying the experience that much. I've had it for two and a half years, driven it around a bunch.
40:54 Doug DeMuro? And I presume you're not enjoying the GTI either, so?
40:58 Speaker 03 No, I do like the GTI. The GTI is excellent. I'm on the side of the GTI. There's a part of me and my wife wants me to do this, which is I should sell it and we don't have kids. And I could now it's a time to have like a sports car.
41:10 Doug DeMuro? NSX.
41:11 Speaker 03 Want to.
41:11 Doug DeMuro? NSX.
41:12 Speaker 03 No, uh, maybe, uh, there's another part of me that's like, the GTI is great. And my wife has said that she loves that car and it's her favorite car to be around. So.
41:23 Doug DeMuro? Are you, do you ever get tired of standing in your own way? Does that, does that?
41:27 Speaker 03 No, I'm gonna be honest, I don't put that much thought towards this.
41:29 Doug DeMuro? Do your knees hurt? What's that?
41:31 Speaker 03 I don't put that much thought towards this. This car is so good.
41:35 Doug DeMuro? But Filippo, don't you want for once in your life to do something raw?
41:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, but no.
41:42 Doug DeMuro? Kenan just told us he's going on a European road trip in an M5. He's going to Paris, God knows why, and various other good places. And he's gonna be driving around Europe, shifting gears, going 160 miles an hour on the autobahn until the oil pan destroys itself. And he's, he's gonna have a blast. He's going to Spa Francher Champs. That's how we pronounce it. And you're over here, well, I'm not sure.
42:09 Speaker 03 I am who I am. What can I say?
42:11 Doug DeMuro? Let's sell one hatchback and keep another hatchback. Kenan has grabbed life by the horns.
42:15 Speaker 04 Well, I have a confession to make. So I was supposed to do this in an E39 M5. I was gonna buy my friend's.
42:22 Doug DeMuro? You're doing it in an Opel Corsa?
42:24 Speaker 04 I thought, well, that was available. But no, I think I'm gonna have to end up. So he's having worked on to the car. It's not gonna be quite ready and done in time. And he's having a child. So it's like, and he's moving shops and he's got like a lot of stuff going on. And he said two cars were bought by friends who are recently destroyed.
42:37 Speaker 03 By their friends?
42:38 Speaker 04 By, yes. So like, and I don't want to do that to him because I like him a lot. So I don't know. It's either going to be an X3 M50i.
42:47 Speaker 03 From where?
42:49 Speaker 04 From, from six.
42:49 Speaker 03 No, you need a, a bad, small hatchback with a stick.
42:53 Speaker 04 I want a good, comfortable.
42:55 Speaker 03 No, you don't. You don't. You need a, an Opel Corsa similar.
42:59 Speaker 04 Thousands of kilometers.
43:01 Speaker 03 That's what we do every time we go to Italy. You, you need, you need a European small car. You need a European small car.
43:06 Speaker 04 I'm going to nine countries, Filippo.
43:08 Speaker 03 That's like going from, that's like people in the northeast that say they've been to 17 states because they drove three hours. Doesn't count. You need a small European hatchback with a manual. You just do.
43:19 Doug DeMuro? I can't believe this isn't happening with an E395.
43:22 Speaker 04 Yes, I was going to surprise my friend Luke and have it there who listens to the podcast, but unfortunately it just didn't quite work out timing wise.
43:30 Doug DeMuro? Kenan, just as I was over here telling Filippo to grab life by the horns, you've.
43:34 Speaker 04 Well, I wanted to. It was my fault. I should have better coordinated with him. I was like, they're servicing stuff like that or detailing stuff that just didn't quite get done.
43:42 Doug DeMuro? Sounds like he's bailing on you.
43:45 Speaker 04 One, to be honest with you, to drive that car around Europe, especially into Paris or anywhere in Italy, makes me nervous. It's a very special car that belongs to someone who is very special too.
43:53 Speaker 03 And so like. Small European hatchback.
43:56 Speaker 04 I don't, I'm not doing that.
43:57 Doug DeMuro? I don't really agree with Filippo, but I do think that it makes sense. I mean, it is a little sketchy to drive a car that you care about that far in places you're unfamiliar with, on roads you're unfamiliar with, in countries that have different rules. I mean, I truly, I almost always end up having some sort of damage on cars when I go to Europe.
44:16 Speaker 03 How? How?
44:18 Doug DeMuro? Doesn't matter. Because I'm not careful.
44:20 Speaker 04 Right, but right.
44:22 Doug DeMuro? Thing is, Filippo, I don't want to be careful because that's kind of the benefit of it, right? Like if, if you, if, if you rent a car and get the insurance and all that, you don't have to think, oh, I can't fit there. I gotta, and then you're next to your seven miles outside the city center, walking back in.
44:37 Speaker 04 Exactly. And ultimately, like if I need to swap this car out in a major city or something goes wrong, it's easy to from a rental company. If something goes wrong, you need 39M5 and I have to ship it from Monaco to Frankfurt. That, that sucks. That's not great. So I certainly thought about that. Now, it is still my dream to drive my own car in Europe and that was kind of the point that Sretton was making. He loves letting, you know, friends of his borrow these cars so they can experience what it's like to go on the autobahn in an E395. But at the same time, like it's just a really, really long journey. I do still dream of buying a car in Europe and driving it around that. Like buying a 550 Maranello and driving it around for like in Italy would be unbelievably cool. And a Euromuckr one that's less expensive. So, I don't know. We'll, we'll see. The dream lives on, but for now I'm going to go experience Europe.
45:18 Doug DeMuro? Well, regardless, either way, Kenan is grabbing life by the horns more than Filippo. An X3M, what did you say?
45:24 Speaker 04 50i.
45:25 Speaker 03 It's not even a M5.
45:26 Speaker 04 It does indeed. I didn't realize either.
45:29 Doug DeMuro? I had one. My review on it is coming up. I had one in the office. That was an X3M50. It's actually a pretty quick car. It's just, it's no, it's no E395, you know?
45:36 Speaker 04 No, of course not. I don't expect.
45:37 Doug DeMuro? We're all hoping. Hey, you know what? It happens every time. Every time I go to Europe, I think I want to rent something cool. And then I end up in a V220D and I scraped the driver's side door on a parking curb.
45:46 Speaker 03 I really assumed it was the passenger side because that makes way more sense, but okay.
45:50 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it was the passenger side, actually. Okay, but I've done drivers too.
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47:21 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I want to very quickly give my Talk Cars segment, which is directed at Kenan. Kenan, the level to which I have destroyed the convertible G-Wagon on this excursion has been...
47:35 Doug DeMuro? Really quite something. And in fact, currently, we have a little game going on with my children where I've offered them a prize if they can find the power mirror switch, which was removed by my dog when he jumped over the center console and one of his many times that he's jumped over the center console coming off of the sand. The power wooden mirror switch still missing. The top is having trouble going up and down, not because it has an issue, but because the switch for the top has gotten so much sand inside of it that it won't depress fully. So when you push it to close the top, it can't go down all the way. So you end up having to lift up the, I have, I have sand in places in the car. Here's another one. Every time the top comes like back on,
48:17 Doug DeMuro? sand is dumped on your head. I don't even know how it's possible that there's still sand in the top, but, because you know, it sits like this. So sand gets in it and then it goes like this and then sand like pushes down into your, in your face. It also hasn't rained here in weeks and weeks and weeks. And so the car is dirtier than on the outside than I've ever seen before ever. Uh, what do you, what do you think?
48:37 Speaker 04 Well, like as Tavorish knows, you can never fully get rid of sand.
48:41 Doug DeMuro? I knew that.
48:43 Speaker 04 Um, but that, I mean, so let me ask you, the Defender was kind of built for this. It was built to get dirty, built to get crap all over it.
48:51 Doug DeMuro? By the way, that's the other thing, the leather is fresh. I got like maybe one more summer of leather.
48:55 Speaker 04 You know what you should, have it redone in neoprene, um, or something like that.
49:00 Doug DeMuro? Can I ask you a question? What is Kevin gonna charge me to, uh, do this, to get this car?
49:07 Speaker 04 How much you got?
49:08 Doug DeMuro? I've also driven through tidal ponds.
49:11 Speaker 04 Oh, cool.
49:12 Doug DeMuro? Tidal ponds is brackish, it's saltwater.
49:14 Speaker 04 Yeah. It must be, the underside of that thing must be getting rusty.
49:19 Doug DeMuro? We treated it. We treated it.
49:20 Speaker 03 Oh, good. You're good. You're good. I'm glad you're using the vehicle as intended.
49:24 Speaker 04 I, I am too, to be honest with you.
49:26 Doug DeMuro? That was the intent.
49:27 Speaker 03 No, no other convertible G-Wagon has ever been on sand, first of all.
49:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
49:32 Speaker 03 Or used by children.
49:34 Doug DeMuro? Do you think it's, you think Kevin's gonna charge me a thousand, Kevin's gonna charge me a thousand dollars?
49:38 Speaker 04 I think that's light.
49:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:40 Speaker 04 I mean, he's got to vacuum out the top switch and he's got to put the top. Up and like, but it, he's got a clean inside where it's, I mean, you've got a lot of sand in there.
49:49 Doug DeMuro? This sand is from last year. I, in fact, the, the, the, the sun visor mirrors are filled with sand in it. I've never understood quite why and, and, but they always have been and it's not always, only since last summer. And so I, I think that's, I'm, I don't need him to fix that. I just, I'm good there.
50:05 Speaker 04 It's so peaceful to me that it's not my vehicle. I don't have to deal with this. This is not my problem.
50:10 Doug DeMuro? It actually, it, it, it's gotten progressively worse, of course, over the summer and, and I don't really care. We would go to the beach every day and.
50:15 Speaker 04 Yeah, sure.
50:16 Doug DeMuro? The other night, the other night we drove for some function and we wore nice clothes and got in the car. And I'm like, oh my God. It was only when I got in the car with like, with like, nice pants and like a nice belt and nice shirt that I'm like, this is so terrible. This is like completely unacceptable.
50:31 Speaker 04 That is so funny. It, it is, it always makes a car feel more dirty when you wear nice clothes to be in it. That is such an interesting observation. That's so true.
50:41 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, I don't know what to do, but I, um, I, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's rough, you know?
50:47 Speaker 04 Yep. Spent three months on the stand, uh, the sand, gonna spend a month in the shop getting cleaned from being on the.
50:51 Doug DeMuro? And the other thing about it that's interesting is I am at ninety nine thousand nine hundred and forty miles.
50:56 Speaker 04 Wow, it's gonna happen.
50:58 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna hit, I'm gonna hit a hundred thousand miles off road.
51:00 Speaker 04 Wow, cool. Do you, are you gonna line it up with a special place or is it just gonna happen?
51:06 Doug DeMuro? No, and honestly, I probably won't be off road. I, with the children, you just, we're just, we're just surviving. We're just doing our best. We're just making life work here, you know? Uh, I bought it at seventy eight thousand miles, driven twenty two thousand miles.
51:17 Speaker 04 Wow.
51:18 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, we gotta talk about, I'm kidding, by the way, I want you to see it. I want you to see it how it is. I want you to see it how it is before it gets cleaned so you can feel what this would be like.
51:29 Speaker 04 I will, we'll, we'll film it. We'll, we'll include it in a video somewhere.
51:32 Doug DeMuro? This was at one point a two hundred thousand dollar car.
51:36 Speaker 04 I think about that every time he's in pictures of it. I'm like, man. Once upon a time.
51:42 Speaker 03 You think that shop that the carb legality knew that it would someday be on the east coast, driving on sand, getting sand in the power mirror switch?
51:51 Speaker 04 I'll tell you, he didn't. I'll bet he wouldn't have thought about that.
51:53 Doug DeMuro? My cost basis is so low in that car that a part of the, I don't care. Like part of it is like, well, we'll clean it and a thousand bucks in detail is nothing compared to what it's gone up. It's like how Filippo thinks about his house. Uh, okay.
52:06 Speaker 03 Or my, or my GTI.
52:07 Doug DeMuro? We gotta move on to the market report, the market report, the market report. Now the market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids, the best website.
52:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:17 Doug DeMuro? Ever, period.
52:18 Speaker 04 Yep. We have auctions. We have a community section. It's great.
52:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. No, no, we don't even, Kenan, don't cheapen it. It's like those art galleries that only have one painting right in the center. You don't, we don't want to throw a bunch of stuff around the head, which the best website ever. All right, Kenan, tell us about the E9.
52:35 Speaker 04 Yes. So we recently, I'd mentioned that we were selling it. We have an E9 BMW 3.0 CSL better known as the Batmobile that was on Cars and Bids and it sold for $381,000, which is strong money for an E9 Batmobile. Now, so our competitors have sold them too, but the, which the nearest one they sold to this was, you know, same year, same spec, had the stripes, had the wing and all that. And this car sold for substantially more than that. And it makes sense. This car was very nicely restored. I believe it's going to a museum in Canada.
53:06 Speaker 03 It is.
53:07 Speaker 04 Uh, and it is, it was a magnificent car, but I am very proud of the result that we brought on this car for a number of reasons. One is that like to have a car like this on Cars and Bids is tremendously special for us and it's an honor to have a car that is so historically important on the site. This isn't just some special, like it's not just a BMW. This car gave birth to the M-division, which is very cool. Number two is I think the, the content we made on it was great. Uh, I'm not just saying it because I was in the video. I think the entire team, Sean, our producer, Stan and our editor and Matthew who filmed with us all did an incredible job. If you haven't watched it yet.
53:38 Speaker 03 Truly incredible.
53:39 Speaker 04 It's in there somewhere. Yeah, there it is. Um, and I'm, I'm very proud of the work we did with that. And I think that that helped us achieve this result. Uh, but also the thing I think about the most is like, we haven't been selling. Cars from this era for that long. Like this is a pretty, we're, we're early in our days of this and they're bringing, this car brought very serious money, a very competitive result that any auction house would be thrilled to have.
54:00 Speaker 03 Yep.
54:01 Speaker 04 And I, I think it underscores how far this company has come in five years in a pretty short period of time from when we launched it sitting out on your patio, socially distanced from one another during COVID to selling a Batmobile on the site. Like that's a pretty great trajectory. So I'm, I'm very thrilled with this result. Uh, I'm happy for the, the next owners and I hope lots of people get to see it in the museum it's going to. It's, it's, it was a special car and thrilled on it. I feel honored to have had it on the site, thrilled to have driven it and I'm really happy with the result.
54:25 Speaker 03 I mean, incredible, incredible video. Sorry, go ahead Doug.
54:28 Doug DeMuro? I agree with all that and, and I echo all that. And I think I'm, I'm just thrilled at the result. I was thrilled to have it. I, I, and I think the video was great and I'm very impressed.
54:36 Speaker 04 What a bidding war at the end. It was so much fun to watch. It was so wild.
54:40 Speaker 03 It went up almost $200,000 in the last two hours and it was like a hundred fifty thousand dollars in the last few minutes.
54:46 Speaker 04 Yep.
54:47 Speaker 03 Truly insane. Uh, I was walking through the midway airport with my phone. I was on a, on a call, like a work call and I just had my phone out, watching every single bid come in. It was.
54:56 Doug DeMuro? Man, imagine if you're, imagine if you're flying out of Chicago and, and you walk, you're walking through the airport and there's Filippo. Like.
55:04 Speaker 04 Head down on the slide.
55:06 Speaker 03 You know, my, my, the person sitting next to me on my plane from Chicago to San Diego was watching like car reels on his phone. Like I was like, sat down and there was like a nine 11 and some, that he'd flipped the next one, some other car thing. And then a cars and bids one came up and he's like, wait.
55:22 Speaker 04 Did he?
55:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was like.
55:24 Doug DeMuro? Did you say something?
55:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course. We, we chatted for like half an hour. It was great.
55:28 Doug DeMuro? Oh, you don't have that chat until the end.
55:30 Speaker 03 Hmm. I then had to do work when we reached 10,000 feet. So we're good.
55:34 Doug DeMuro? This is, this is one person who's gotten recognized for 10 years on the street, talking to you, who's, who's now becoming truly fa- coming into the fame I always knew you deserved.
55:45 Speaker 03 Right.
55:46 Doug DeMuro? Wait till the end to have the conversation.
55:48 Speaker 03 The kid, the, the, the person I talked to was very nice. Uh, we had a great conversation about cars.
55:53 Doug DeMuro? They're not always, sometimes it's awkward, you know? Ken, I'll tell you.
55:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, I've most of the time, everybody's been nice to me. I did. I've only been recognized in the airport a handful. I got a five. That's the one I thought. But there was. Well, there was the most memorable ones. There was a kid who sat next to me. He was like, you make videos on YouTube. You're Doug. I was like, yes, I do. And he was a very sweet kid. I think that was from Denver back to here or something like that.
56:15 Speaker 03 Uh, but going back to the C S L, I mean, incredible car, incredible result. I mean, a hundred thousand dollars above the most recent close comp, which is, which is crazy. Uh, over a hundred thousand views, something like three thousand watchers, a ton of comments. Also, the level to which the comments were true Batmobile experts.
56:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
56:34 Speaker 03 Crazy, right? Like, people got deep on who rebuilt the seats and how that one guy rebuilt them differently than this other guy. Like, that, that, there's true knowledge in that, in those three hundred thirty nine comments.
56:43 Doug DeMuro? That's happening more and more. The cars that are special that we're getting, we're getting more and more people who really, really know the cars and understand the market and are, and are true market experts.
56:52 Speaker 04 Um, it's great to get their input on stuff like this. It's, it's, that, one of the values of our, our community is it's nice to see them resonate with, with the cars and bring their knowledge to it.
57:01 Speaker 03 Yep.
57:01 Doug DeMuro? On that subject, I want to talk briefly about the F eight because I was pretty impressed. Uh, speaking of three hundred eighty one thousand dollar car sales.
57:08 Speaker 04 Right.
57:08 Doug DeMuro? We sold an F eight for three hundred ninety one, right?
57:11 Speaker 04 Yep, three ninety one.
57:13 Doug DeMuro? Um, hey, would you rather?
57:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's, yeah, well, you know.
57:19 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. I, I'm, I'm, I'm not an old car guy as much. I'd be into the F eight. But I, what, that's actually one of the reasons I wanted to bring this up, which is when I, when the F eight came out, I remember the internet and Canon telling me, it's turbocharged crap. Nobody wants a turbo. It's not, it's not a real, it's not naturally aspirated. They've ruined the whole car.
57:39 Speaker 04 No, that was, that was the four eighty eight I said that about.
57:42 Doug DeMuro? They're holding big. Yeah, well, okay, it's the same. I mean, the, the concept is the same. These things are holding big. Aren't you surprised about that?
57:49 Speaker 04 I am surprised. I guess it, I mean, I guess it kind of makes sense. I mean, it's, it really, I mean, I know the two nine six carries on the torch from the lineage of these cars, but this is it for the non-hybrid, you know, V eight Ferraris. Like, I, we have eras that we mark off with, with the V eight Ferraris and like the, with the dual clutch was one when the four five eight came along. That was a huge change. I think this marks the end of that sort of lineage. And now we switched to, I mean, now you have the two nine six and it's hybrid and it's a V six. And so this is. The end, if you want the more, not analog, but more, how do I say this? Pure, I guess.
58:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:25 Speaker 04 Ferrari, I have to say, I stand by it. I think it is one of the most usable unusable cars I've ever driven. It drives like a normal car at low speed and it blows your head off at high speed. But it is a, I think that's why I, I am kind of surprised at the result, but I'm happy that they're holding strong. It's a special car.
58:42 Speaker 03 By the way, the week prior, we sold a different F8 Spider, also for strong money. That had a little bit more miles, but never the last.
58:49 Doug DeMuro? Well, yes, those two results are strong. The, the F8 is still, is still got the mojo. It's not that old. And they're not selling for dramatically less than 296s, which is interesting. I think it's a cool car. I think that was a good result also. And it's, I just wanted to highlight that even though we were told that the Ferrari is crashing down and the 458 was the last true one and blah, blah, blah. The market doesn't agree and almost $400,000 for this four-year-old. That's, that's real money. I mean, those, those cars are still setting up a strong market.
59:20 Speaker 03 Surprising.
59:21 Doug DeMuro? I will give you, I will give you one thing to discuss. What do you want to discuss? Yeah.
59:26 Speaker 03 Okay. I like, want to talk about the excursion. We had an excursion live the other day.
59:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
59:31 Speaker 04 Yep.
59:31 Speaker 03 It was a wild automobile.
59:33 Speaker 04 I did.
59:33 Speaker 03 And.
59:34 Speaker 04 Crazy.
59:35 Speaker 03 Okay. So this was a Ford excursion that was converted in 2001 to an armored by Becker into like an armored limo build. And they had an insane amount of money put into it. 200 something thousand. I think I added it up, close to $300,000 in work in 2001 to make it armored and a limo. And now it has 19,000 miles and it fails to meet reserve at $74,000. Which by the way, is what a regular 7.3 excursion with 18,000.
1:00:04 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no.
1:00:06 Speaker 03 I mean, not for, it, it just like, this served such a specific purpose for whoever had it commissioned in 2001. But who's the buyer now?
1:00:15 Doug DeMuro? You know, I, I would also argue that.
1:00:20 Doug DeMuro? It was a failure because they didn't get shot.
1:00:24 Speaker 03 They didn't get shot, they didn't get to use it.
1:00:26 Speaker 04 Well, no, just because you have a Rolex sea dweller that can go down 4,000 feet or whatever. That doesn't mean you use it that way. I mean, it's like, they want to know that it could.
1:00:38 Doug DeMuro? We have different opinions about this. I'm still looking for my power mirror switch because I'm off road every day. This guy didn't do enough to get shot. He thought he did enough to get shot. If I had a Rolex sea creature, or whatever you said, I would go, yeah, yeah, that. I would drive, I would dive down.
1:00:52 Speaker 03 He would dwell in the sea. Yeah.
1:00:53 Doug DeMuro? Take my sea critter and I would drive, dive down and, and get that, that sea urchin under the water.
1:01:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, alright.
1:01:01 Speaker 03 My favorite part, by the way, is that it was then serviced at Portland, courtesy Ford in Portland, Oregon, after it got converted. And I wonder, I wonder what, just.
1:01:09 Speaker 04 Cause it.
1:01:10 Speaker 03 What was the.
1:01:10 Speaker 04 Initially, it doesn't look that crazy, but.
1:01:13 Doug DeMuro? When you go in to service that, you got to tell them they can't put it on a lift.
1:01:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, it weighs it insane. It's such a cool car, incredibly, incredibly cool car. People were going crazy over it in, in, in the comments and viewing this auction. I, it's just, the value to the person that built it is so significant, but it's a value to anything, anybody else. So it's a weird car to sell.
1:01:37 Doug DeMuro? It's kind of a famous thing about bulletproof cars. We've actually taken quite a few shots on bulletproof cars this site. I don't know that we've ever sold one. Bulletproof cars are, yeah, bulletproof, unlike the fellow who owned this one. Bulletproof cars are, you don't want to buy one you, right? Like that's, it's like a mattress. Like you don't want to take a risk on something like that. You know what I mean? Like, like if you're, if you really need a bulletproof car, the last thing you really want is to be like, yeah, I'll, I'll buy, I'll buy somebody else's used one that I hope was done right. Look, we sold that Escalade. Was that armor?
1:02:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I think a different level of armoring. I don't know the various levels.
1:02:12 Speaker 04 Their level sol.
1:02:13 Speaker 03 Oh, my goodness. The back of that. That's like, wow.
1:02:16 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's what they have to do because of the because of the the the rear window. I learned this when I reviewed that 300 series Land Cruiser and went to that armoring place in Northern Virginia. There's a lot to it.
1:02:25 Speaker 03 Go to photo three or of the of the interior.
1:02:27 Doug DeMuro? Look at that. You have to do that because there's such an open space there that they basically have to put in like an armored panel in between.
1:02:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:34 Speaker 04 Well, and the windows like because the guy we know who works there Cameron, that one who was talking to me about the window regulators because they want the windows to be able to go up and down. In order to do that, because the glass is so thick, it's like it's like the engineering it takes to make it look like a normal car and function like a normal car after you've done this is for for companies to do it right is really expensive and hard.
1:02:53 Doug DeMuro? The used market doesn't really reward them. I agree with you, Felipe. What do you do with stuff like this? It's not like a it's not like some cool like SEMA build like it was made for a purpose for someone who really needed it. And now it's just tough to justify someone who wants an armored car does not want to pay crazy money for a 23 year old Ford Expedition.
1:03:07 Speaker 04 And there are cars that retain their value SEMA built.
1:03:11 Speaker 03 I will also say if you are at a a if you are worried about being shot for some actions you've taken, there's a good chance you're also willing to invest a lot of money in preventing that from happening.
1:03:22 Doug DeMuro? Right. That's right.
1:03:23 Speaker 03 Willing and able. Now I do want to know why they had it done in Portland.
1:03:27 Doug DeMuro? Do you, Felipe, do you think that's the car you would least be likely to buy on Cars and Bids that armored excursion?
1:03:33 Speaker 03 No, God, no. I'm into it.
1:03:35 Doug DeMuro? Pull up. It's time for questions. The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids, the greatest.
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1:03:43 Doug DeMuro? Not just website. Now, if you want to ask questions, you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab. Kenan makes a post every week. Kenan himself does it. And it says, ask us your questions. And then we you can ask us and then we'll answer them. This week is one of my some of my favorite questions we've ever had in my life. And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna answer them. I am Kenan and Filippo. Okay, we began with the first question from Eric44. This is gonna be a quick one because I've given this a lot of thought over the last 20 years. Filippo, get out of here. Uh, first question is, you're making Back to the Future, but the DeLorean is replaced, it's a modern era. The DeLorean is replaced by a quirky, modern era car. What replaces it and what quirk stands in for gullwing doors?
1:04:23 Doug DeMuro? I think the answer is the Fisker Karma replaces it. I've always felt that the DeLorean was sort of a, like, moribund, stillborn, you know, but weird, like, American, like, it's perfectly, and it's also built in Europe, which the DeLorean was too, and it's got all these, these, it's like a perfect modern day DeLorean. And then it died and it only was one model, etc. But I don't know the quirk. Perhaps, perhaps the quirk would be, every company that has tried to sell that vehicle has failed.
1:04:57 Speaker 03 EcoTech Forza.
1:04:58 Speaker 04 I'm a Fisker design.
1:05:00 Doug DeMuro? Don't you think the Fisker Karma is the DeLorean, the modern era?
1:05:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, somebody in the comments there said Chevy SSR, which has something to it, something to that, but I think you're right on the parallels working for the Fisker.
1:05:11 Speaker 04 Made a time machine out of, yeah, out of a Karma?
1:05:15 Doug DeMuro? You don't think it would be a time machine?
1:05:17 Speaker 04 I, I mean, I guess, I can't come up with any other fit as well. Cybertruck, it sounds right there.
1:05:23 Doug DeMuro? It would struggle to reach 88 miles an hour.
1:05:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:05:27 Speaker 03 EcoTech Forza.
1:05:30 Speaker 03 Cybertruck is, is there, and our producer has, like, thrown up his hands multiple times now.
1:05:34 Speaker 04 He's very excited about it.
1:05:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. The Cybertruck, though, isn't the same thing. The DeLorean was moribund. You need to understand, it was moribund.
1:05:42 Speaker 04 But, but this also is, has a body of brushed stainless steel.
1:05:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but that's not the same thing. That's not the same thing. The Cybertruck is, is more popular. That would have been like in the 80s using, like, a 308. Like, the well-known, or a Countach, like a well-known thing that was already capturing the public. The DeLorean, everyone agrees, was made exciting because of its existence in the movie. Like, the Fisker Karma would owe its life to the movie if it was in it, and it's moribund.
1:06:09 Speaker 03 The Lexus RZ. There you go.
1:06:12 Doug DeMuro? No, that's stupid!
1:06:14 Speaker 03 It's a car you want to draw attention to. Nobody knows it exists. There you go.
1:06:18 Doug DeMuro? Oh, RZ is pretty bad. Okay, uh, next question. This one's for Kenan. Uh, and, and I got two things to say about this question. First off, of the question itself. PC racer, hey, guys, at what age would you let your children drive your cars? I'm 25 and my dad lets me drive his 488, but he knows I wouldn't risk doing anything stupid on the road. Uh, because it would affect my career, which took years to study for. I think that this person just wants to brag that his dad has a 488.
1:06:44 Doug DeMuro? Not much of a brag, although I think it is. Uh, nonetheless, the question is a good one because I, I'm curious what your response would be, Kenan. Let's pretend you and Emily had children and they're running around, little, little, little Canano and Canini. What, um,
1:07:02 Doug DeMuro? when would you let them drive the beloved M5 that they were presumably conceived in?
1:07:09 Speaker 04 Brought back from the hospital and at least, um.
1:07:11 Speaker 03 Oh, really? You would put a, the, the, the car seat will create little.
1:07:15 Speaker 04 I would put something down.
1:07:16 Speaker 03 That's not safe.
1:07:18 Speaker 04 Well, uh, I think the, I don't know. It's a, it's a, it's a good question. Um, I think when, if you grow, if you have, I, I didn't grow up in a car household. My dad wasn't into cars. Um, uh, so it was like, the idea of growing up and like, if your kids are interested in cars, sharing the hobby with them, if they genuinely grow up around it and like, respect the cars and stuff like that. I can definitely see it happening. I, I think that like, like everybody in my life, I would imagine my kids would be terrified to drive the car.
1:07:46 Speaker 03 I'm not terrified to drive your car.
1:07:47 Speaker 04 You don't want to. No one wants the, no one wants the responsibility.
1:07:51 Speaker 03 But I'm not terrified.
1:07:52 Doug DeMuro? I'll drive it. I'll drive it. If I crash it, I'll give you the 13, 850 that it's worth.
1:07:56 Speaker 03 The last time Doug drove one of my cars, he drove it onto a sidewalk, but you know.
1:08:01 Speaker 04 Well, I'd rather, yeah.
1:08:02 Doug DeMuro? Well, I have a picture of him in the driver's seat on the sidewalk in the car. That's all I, that's all I'm saying.
1:08:08 Speaker 04 But no, I, I, I think at some point, like I, I can see, like, I could see like my kids drive the car. My dad has driven the car without me in it on a couple of occasions. He's, I, I took it to get his haircut once when I first got it. I just, I was like, yeah, go take the M5.
1:08:21 Doug DeMuro? Would you let me drive the car?
1:08:25 Speaker 04 Under what circumstances?
1:08:27 Doug DeMuro? Courage GT, I have a Courage GT, it costs a million dollars!
1:08:31 Speaker 04 I know, but it would almost, it would almost be easier to get another Courage GT than, well, not to your life, the thing about both of us is your service level.
1:08:39 Doug DeMuro? Oh god.
1:08:39 Speaker 04 Well, not to replicate the level of service.
1:08:41 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna get killed in the comments again, but you always do, so it's fine.
1:08:43 Speaker 04 No, that's, that's, it's fair, no, I know you have all these really expensive cars, and all, all of my friends have really expensive cars, but everybody seems afraid to, to drive the M5 because of how significant it is in my life. And, and it's like to replace it is like, I would have to buy one with that level of servicing and most of the parts to do that are no longer available. So like, it would be really hard to replace. And so that's, that's why most people are afraid to use it, but I would let my kids drive it, and I would let you drive it.
1:09:10 Doug DeMuro? He's dancing around it, but the answer's never, he won't even let his adult automotive enthusiast friends who are...
1:09:14 Speaker 04 I will, but they don't want to, nobody wants to.
1:09:16 Doug DeMuro? I used to, I don't need to. Let me drive it, I wanna drive it, oh, I want to drive it for 11.
1:09:21 Speaker 04 As long as I can drive the Countach.
1:09:22 Speaker 03 Once Cannon passes away and it's in probate, then at that point, they will have to drive it.
1:09:27 Doug DeMuro? Doesn't matter.
1:09:28 Speaker 03 What, what's your answer? You actually have children?
1:09:31 Doug DeMuro? I've never really given it thought, but it doesn't seem like my kids are gonna, are gonna be that interested. Uh, but I don't, you know, I don't know, like, I'm not letting my kids drive, the cars are incredibly valuable, what are we, what are we, trying to let kids drive cars? Jeez.
1:09:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think you would at some point if they had an expressed interest.
1:09:47 Doug DeMuro? I don't know, it's, it's definitely not on my mind, I'm just, I'm trying to get through them, I'm trying to get through each morning. That's my goal with my children right now.
1:09:55 Speaker 04 And the thing they would learn about you is that you are the worst backseat driver I have ever experienced in my entire life. It is so distracting, you go to shift gears, it's like, wow, you're shifting there, you should use more rails, wow, you're revving it too much, you're going too fast! You're not going fast enough, what are you doing? It's, he's, it's awful.
1:10:11 Doug DeMuro? Mostly, I want to be clear, it's rarely about like your speed, it's usually about the engine speed. I usually really get on you about gear shifts, but only because I know that you hate it. I don't, Felipe notoriously shifts at 40 RPM, and I don't show him, I don't tell him anything.
1:10:28 Speaker 04 His driveway is six feet long, and by, by foot number four, he's in third gear, so.
1:10:33 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Next question. Next question from Open Smacks. It's probably Opens Max, but I'm gonna say Open Smacks. Question for Doug. Of the cars in your Cars and Bids bid history, which are you most relieved you did not win and which are you most disappointed? Ken, pull up my bid history. Alright, so go down. In my bid history, what have I bid on? 993 Turbo, Stradman Supra, a 612, two Smart Crossblades, that Focus ST Strop Transit Connect, a Hummer EV. Hummer EV is definitely the one I'm most relieved I didn't win. Um...
1:11:05 Speaker 03 Mitsubishi Vute.
1:11:07 Doug DeMuro? That 2500 Suburban, some of those...
1:11:10 Speaker 03 I, I hope you regret not buying that 2500 Suburban.
1:11:14 Doug DeMuro? Okay, definitely the one that I'm most relieved I didn't win is the Hummer EV, although I didn't put in a serious bid. I think the one that I wish that I had won the most is the Smart Crossblade. I mean, I still think about those cars pretty regularly.
1:11:24 Speaker 03 Six bids.
1:11:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, those are so cool.
1:11:27 Doug DeMuro? Although I would love a 993 Turbo. That one was a little, little bit too modded for me. But I want a Smart Crossblade, don't we all?
1:11:33 Speaker 04 Don't we all?
1:11:34 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, next, next question. This is the hardest question we've gotten, Ken, me and you. From Neon Espresso. Now, it should be Espresso, but it's Espresso. If you had to...
1:11:46 Speaker 03 But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Neon Express was, if memory serves, a trim level of the Neon.
1:11:52 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what I'll do. Wait a sec.
1:11:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, the Espresso was the trim.
1:12:00 Doug DeMuro? Espresso.
1:12:01 Speaker 03 So, we gotta give Neon Espresso credit.
1:12:03 Doug DeMuro? I thought it was Espresso this whole time. This has really gone...
1:12:06 Speaker 04 Wow, Filippo, that is deep cut.
1:12:08 Doug DeMuro? Okay, next question. Next question from Neon Espresso. If you had to replace, Ken, and this is very hard. If you had to replace all of your cars with brand new ones, meaning cars currently on sale, new and 25, what would your choices be? I know, my 25 Sequoia, 25 E-Class station wagon. After that, it gets murky. Ken, what do you got?
1:12:27 Speaker 04 After that, it gets murky. Um, uh, I don't know. I need a second to come back to that.
1:12:33 Doug DeMuro? You'd buy probably M3. Don't you think non-comp M3?
1:12:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, probably manual M3 would be great. I wish I'd get it in a wagon, but...
1:12:39 Doug DeMuro? Or a V5 Blackwing.
1:12:41 Speaker 04 Actually, that's the correct answer. Yeah, the V Blackwing is the car I would choose.
1:12:45 Doug DeMuro? Uh, Filippo, I don't think anybody's interested in your answers. And mine, uh, would be hard. What's still available with the three pedals? Anything?
1:12:53 Speaker 03 911s.
1:12:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'd get a nine eleven S T.
1:12:56 Speaker 04 S T, yeah.
1:12:58 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I'd get a, well, that, that Gordon Murray Academy car.
1:13:02 Speaker 04 Mm hmm.
1:13:02 Doug DeMuro? And anything else? I'd get the electric G wagon instead of, there's no convertible.
1:13:08 Speaker 04 Hey, take it to Newport Comfortable Engineering, they'll make one for you.
1:13:11 Doug DeMuro? There you go.
1:13:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, you can still get sand in it.
1:13:14 Doug DeMuro? Manual sports cars, are there still any others that I'm not thinking of that are like in that range? I guess like a Porsche fighter maybe, but that's not on sale anymore.
1:13:23 Speaker 04 No.
1:13:24 Doug DeMuro? It's tough, tough for me. I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be entirely thrilled with.
1:13:27 Speaker 04 A lot of Porsches.
1:13:29 Doug DeMuro? It's all, it'd be a lot of boring Porsches.
1:13:31 Speaker 04 What about, what would replace the Countach?
1:13:34 Doug DeMuro? That's the thing, I don't know.
1:13:35 Speaker 04 The new, not the new Countach, surely.
1:13:37 Doug DeMuro? No. Also, that's a year old, that's fine.
1:13:39 Speaker 04 Right.
1:13:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it doesn't count. I don't know, it'd be tough. So I'd, I'd get a nine eleven S T and I'd get the Gordon Murray Academy and then I'd be out of cars. Now, this leads us to our next question from the Stig eleven. It's a three word question, aim at Kenan, three word question.
1:13:53 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:13:53 Doug DeMuro? Enzo or M C twelve?
1:13:56 Speaker 04 Ooh.
1:13:57 Doug DeMuro? One's longer, so.
1:13:58 Speaker 04 Well, now technically two are longer.
1:14:02 Speaker 04 They're two lengths of the M C twelve. A long one and a longer one.
1:14:06 Doug DeMuro? Well, purported, but no one's ever seen two M C twelve next to each other, so we've never been able to confirm. Uh, also longer regardless, right?
1:14:13 Speaker 04 I think it'd still be the Enzo for me.
1:14:14 Doug DeMuro? Really?
1:14:15 Speaker 04 Uh, the, the Enzo is, is such a, I've been looking a lot at that car recently, like pictures and stuff. It is crazy. Uh, the M C twelve is also not particularly usable. You're the only person I know who's driven one, Doug, but I mean, you'd no visibility out the rear of that car. Like it's just, the Enzo, you can kind of use as like a car a little bit.
1:14:31 Doug DeMuro? I'm going to tell you something and I just want to say it and you take it how you want. When I was driving the M C twelve, I wasn't looking behind me.
1:14:39 Speaker 04 Yep, I knew that's exactly what you were going to say. Cal Supriest. I think it ends up, doors go up, it says Ferrari on it.
1:14:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I will say though. The MC12 has a radio.
1:14:52 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:14:53 Speaker 04 Oh, that is something.
1:14:54 Doug DeMuro? And power windows.
1:14:55 Speaker 03 Well.
1:14:56 Doug DeMuro? Which would you choose though?
1:14:56 Doug DeMuro? Does that change your mind?
1:14:58 Speaker 04 Nah, I think I like the Enzo more.
1:15:01 Doug DeMuro? Which would I choose, man? I would love to have one of those cars. I spent the last 25 years hating how the Enzo looked and in the last six months I've come around to it. Honestly, it was when you showed that Enzo in Monaco in my video just, just 30 minutes ago. I think that was it. That was the moment. No, I'm into the Enzo, but I think, how do you not get an MC12? You flex on everybody.
1:15:19 Speaker 03 Flex on everybody.
1:15:19 Speaker 04 It's true, but I mean, it's not like that. Although that's a model. It's, it's not like that isn't a flex on everybody.
1:15:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:15:27 Speaker 04 That's still pretty good. And I think that for a car, the design that is 22 years old now.
1:15:32 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:15:33 Speaker 04 That still looks just as cutting edge. Where's the MC12? MC12 looks funny to me.
1:15:37 Doug DeMuro? You know what you do, Kenan? You take the Enzo and you go to that place that Nick went to in Texas or wherever and you have it manual swapped.
1:15:44 Speaker 04 I've thought about that, having one of that. Like, can you imagine what that would be like? I was thinking about that recently.
1:15:48 Speaker 03 The MC12 is also a good looking car.
1:15:50 Doug DeMuro? You know what you do with the MC12?
1:15:52 Speaker 04 Large.
1:15:53 Doug DeMuro? You know what you do with the MC12, Kenan? You, you get one and then you take it to that place where Nick went in Texas or wherever and you get it manual swapped.
1:15:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, I was thinking about that recently.
1:16:04 Doug DeMuro? All right. I gotta do, we got, we have two more questions, two very, very short questions that, that they're more. Uh, they're both great. Oh yeah. Wait, three more, three more good ones. Cause two will go through really quick. From number one, from the Mishka. Given your conversation about the manual Cayenne, do you think Porsche would be successful if it sold a manual Macan today? Could it capture the population of former WX wagon owners who are now older, richer and more refined? The answer to that is no.
1:16:28 Speaker 03 But.
1:16:29 Doug DeMuro? No circumstances at all.
1:16:30 Speaker 03 But it would be successful in the secondary market 50 years from now.
1:16:34 Doug DeMuro? But, but only for a third of its value. Listen, the manual Cayenne is successful, but only at 25 grand being sold to car nerds. Like, that's not a car they ever should have made it on. I don't even think it probably was a success at the time financially.
1:16:44 Speaker 03 No, I can't imagine it was.
1:16:46 Doug DeMuro? Two more from Oliver Cax9. For Filippo, if you had to buy a car right now on Cars and Bids, what would it be and why? Get out there. Get out there.
1:16:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, we will come back to this answer.
1:16:57 Speaker 04 We discuss this every single week on the Live Now section of our, for Cars and Bids YouTube channel.
1:17:04 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, give us, give us it. Give us it.
1:17:06 Speaker 03 I'm scrolling.
1:17:07 Speaker 04 Don't you think it's that?
1:17:09 Speaker 03 I want the Earth Rover. I do love the Earth Rover. The Earth Rover is the coolest car we've ever had on cars and beds. It's like, it's like a truly elite level of that.
1:17:17 Doug DeMuro? It's too big.
1:17:19 Speaker 03 I think we have a Boxer Spider live now, and we also have a C7 with a stick live now. And we also have a 560 with a stick live right now.
1:17:26 Doug DeMuro? Is it not that 300 CSRT8 convertible? Seriously?
1:17:29 Speaker 03 No, no, it's not. It's not. Absolutely not. It would be...
1:17:36 Speaker 03 Can I give you four cars that we have live right now that I want?
1:17:38 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
1:17:39 Speaker 03 Ken, pull them up quickly. Alright, we have the 2016 Boxer Spider.
1:17:42 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:17:43 Speaker 03 It's a good car.
1:17:43 Speaker 04 The next car.
1:17:44 Speaker 03 It's a good car.
1:17:45 Speaker 04 It is. Very similar spec to our friends in San.
1:17:47 Speaker 03 Good car. We also have a... It's in New Orleans.
1:17:51 Speaker 04 It's in, yes.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 We also have a 550 Maranelle, which I also want. I do love the 550.
1:17:57 Speaker 04 Yep, it is.
1:17:58 Speaker 03 We have a really nice E46 M3 comp.
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1:18:33 Speaker 03 Really?
1:18:33 Speaker 04 Really?
1:18:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, the 2006 one.
1:18:36 Speaker 04 That's something you'd...
1:18:37 Speaker 03 That's a special car.
1:18:38 Speaker 04 I agree that it is.
1:18:39 Speaker 03 It's a special car. I would want it for that. And then, last but certainly not least, we have a Saab 93 2.0T Sport combi with a stick.
1:18:50 Doug DeMuro? So basically, what Filippo did there was he promoted three very special cars that he wanted people to see, and then he told us what he actually wants to get.
1:18:58 Speaker 03 No, it's not the one I actually most want, although...
1:19:02 Speaker 03 Consider bidding.
1:19:04 Speaker 04 Right, that's exactly, you pick, yeah, because if their car is eye like, it's probably not really.
1:19:10 Speaker 03 I do, I, I would, I, the Boxer Spider, the A46M3 have my eye right now.
1:19:14 Speaker 04 The Boxer Spider, we did agree on was, in that video.
1:19:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was incredible.
1:19:17 Speaker 04 Lovely car.
1:19:18 Doug DeMuro? Last question comes to us from Badger Man, and it's a very good question. If you could change the spec of your car for free, what would you pick? Cannon, start off.
1:19:29 Speaker 03 Color.
1:19:29 Speaker 04 Avis blue with a two-tone full leather sport interior.
1:19:33 Doug DeMuro? What's Avis blue? I don't remember what Avis blue is.
1:19:36 Speaker 04 Avis blue is the predecessor to Le Mans, it was slightly earlier.
1:19:40 Speaker 03 Slightly darker.
1:19:40 Doug DeMuro? Do you like Avis better than Le Mans?
1:19:42 Speaker 04 Yes, I do, it's a little bit rarer, um, I don't know if.
1:19:46 Speaker 03 Top left, up, down to the left, there you go, far left.
1:19:51 Speaker 04 This one, yeah, this was a rough car, but I think this was Le Mans. No, this one was Avis, that is Avis, ignore the awful wheels. Um, but, I mean, hey, this is absolutely terrible.
1:20:03 Speaker 04 There, that's a good one, that looks stock there. Um, yeah, Avis blue, yeah, and then the two-tone, uh, full leather sport interior, they offered only for the 2000 model year. Um, this was the spec that I wanted, I actually made an offer on a car that was the spec, and I just didn't work out numbers why. And then I found my car was in like nicer condition overall, but still, that's the dream, blue is the one.
1:20:22 Doug DeMuro? Filippo?
1:20:23 Speaker 03 Uh, and the GTI, it'd be really nice to have keyless entry. Or it has a key fob, but it'd be nice to have.
1:20:29 Speaker 04 That's the one.
1:20:29 Speaker 03 That's the thing, that's it.
1:20:30 Speaker 04 Would you do a spectrum color?
1:20:31 Doug DeMuro? Can you change the color of any of your cars?
1:20:34 Speaker 03 No, I love the wagon color, uh, Mocha Black is a great designable color.
1:20:38 Speaker 04 You wouldn't want red with white wheels for the, uh.
1:20:40 Speaker 03 The Fiat's the right color, it's not my favorite of Barth's color, but it's works. The GTI, I would prefer to.
1:20:46 Speaker 04 That's the whole crux of the question.
1:20:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, but like, it works, the gray is better, but I, the.
1:20:52 Doug DeMuro? White, white, white wheels. White, white wheels is the best of our color.
1:20:56 Speaker 03 That's also true, but I like the black, especially after Kenan cleans it. The GTI, I don't care about color.
1:21:03 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I'm gonna give you a Sean take for me.
1:21:06 Speaker 03 Oh, good.
1:21:06 Doug DeMuro? All my cars are the best spec.
1:21:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, no.
1:21:09 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, you choose the press colors, but.
1:21:12 Speaker 03 Except for.
1:21:13 Speaker 04 Well, the Countach technically isn't. It should have a white interior. That would make it the best.
1:21:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, although the white interiors, the more Countach's I see with white interiors, they keep coming up. They are, the white interiors age so badly and you end up having to do full interior replacements. It's, it just looks like white leather after 40 years just starts to look gross. Like it, people getting in and out, it's just gross. It's like truly like.
1:21:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:35 Doug DeMuro? It tracks and it, and then the cracks get color, colored and it yellows and it browns and it's just not an attractive situation.
1:21:42 Speaker 03 The only one I disagree with is your wagon. I don't love the interior color.
1:21:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I wish I hadn't gotten a white interior. Didn't consider any of that before the whole thing happened.
1:21:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:52 Speaker 04 What about the Ford? You'd put the base wheels on the Ford GT.
1:21:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but if I, you know what, Kenan? If I would do that, I could. Like they come up for sale and it's like a $20,000 price difference, but I never have. So I guess I wouldn't, you know? Like I'm sitting here like, oh, I like the base wheels. Well, okay, do something about it then. The Ford, it's taken me an enormously long amount of time to come around to the colors on all these cars. I wanted a Heritage Ford GT for a long time. I wanted white for a long time. I would probably, if I had to change the Ford GT colors, I'd probably change to white with blue stripes like that one there. However, the market loves blue with white stripes, which is what I have. In fact, it's the second hottest color after Heritage in terms of pricing. So I guess, and, and I've grown to like it. The Ford GT, I'm like a deep silver convert. It is the only color I'm interested in and I think that brown is the best interior.
1:22:42 Doug DeMuro? I admired yellow for so long and now I see yellow ones and it's just a little much. The Countach white is just like how it has to be. The Sequin Mercedes I did buy new and the G-Wagon's gotta be silver. I got no regrets.
1:22:54 Speaker 03 You should regret the white interior.
1:22:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I do, but you know what? It's the dog, not the kids, which is a surprise. It's the dog, not the kids. The dog has ruined that interior. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
1:23:05 Speaker 04 I don't know.
1:23:05 Doug DeMuro? Kevin's gonna charge me a bunch of money to fix that, too.
1:23:08 Speaker 03 Hmm, tough.
1:23:09 Speaker 04 Noodle's worth it.
1:23:11 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Do we have any, Kenan, do you have any final parting thoughts? You're gone for a month.
1:23:16 Speaker 04 I'm gone for a month and I will miss you all very much.
1:23:19 Speaker 03 We will miss you.
1:23:19 Speaker 04 I will certainly be checking in and listening to the podcast when I can. Um, but nonetheless, I, I hope to have a wonderful trip. I can't wait to, you know, bring stuff back from Europe and tell you stories and it'll be great. Can't wait to see you all again.
1:23:30 Doug DeMuro? Listen to the podcast when you can.
1:23:33 Speaker 04 I got stuff I'm doing. I'm, I'm, if I'm laying in Lake, out of Lake Como and you call me and I look at the phone, I'm gonna go, ugh.
1:23:44 Doug DeMuro? When was the last time I called you?
1:23:46 Speaker 04 Uh, it's been a long time.
1:23:48 Doug DeMuro? It's been an absolute pleasure. Filippo, you got anything, any, any interesting?
1:23:52 Speaker 03 Not, safe travels to Europe.
1:23:53 Speaker 04 Thank you.
1:23:54 Speaker 03 Enjoy. Send me photos of Fiat Pandas four by fours in Lake Como.
1:23:57 Speaker 04 We'll look for as many as I can.
1:23:58 Speaker 03 They'll be easy.
1:23:59 Doug DeMuro? I'm jealous that, um, you're gone for a month. That'd be nice. Uh, all right, everyone, we'll see you. We'll see you later. Who's filling in? Is Nick filling in?
1:24:09 Speaker 04 Nick is filling in and I'm sure you'll have to cut out some lewd stuff that he says.
1:24:14 Speaker 03 I'd expect nothing less.
1:24:16 Doug DeMuro? All right. Absolute pleasure. Best podcast we've ever done. Filippo?
1:24:19 Speaker 03 Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye.
1:24:20 Speaker 04 Goodbye.
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