Charlie Kirk Killer’s Texts, Candace Owens vs Bill Ackman & Musk Calls For Destiny's Arrest | PBD Podcast | Ep. 650

Patrick Bet-David, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick are joined by Eric Bolling as they cover the revealing texts from Charlie Kirk’s alleged killer, Candace Owens’ clash with Bill Ackman, and Elon Musk calling for streamer Destiny’s arrest amid their controversial online debate. ------ 🇺🇸 GET THE USA COLLECTION. 100% OF USA MERCH SALES WILL BE DONATED TO TURNING POINT USA: https://bit.ly/46fEYWJ 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:09Speaker 02

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  You are a one of one?

• 1:14Speaker 02

  My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Hi, gang. Great to be on with you. We got Eric Bowling in the house and we got a lot of story to cover with you guys. And the interesting thing about Eric is Eric, you sit on the board of Turning Point USA and you have to announce the assassination attempt and the assassination when he died live while you were doing your show.

• 1:42Speaker 05

  Yep, it was live. We came on, I came on around 3:45. My show is 4 to 5 every day on Real America's Voice. Charlie's show is on in the morning and so I take over after Charlie. Bannon's later. About 3:45, we'd known he'd been shot and everyone in the world said, they rush in the hospital, they have a pulse in the hospital. Right before I went on air, Patrick, I looked at a video. I saw the video, you know, there's a lot of deep fakes and you have to make sure. But then I saw a second angle of the same shot and the second one was really close up, really graphic. And right then and there, I said to the producers. I'm gonna have to announce that Charlie's dead.

• 2:25Speaker 05

  Because when you see that video, you realize he didn't even make it to the ambulance or to the SUV. So, we're going along and we come up on the show, 3:45, 4 o'clock, 4:13 or so. We're waiting for any news to come in. I see the owner of RAV walking up and down the hallway, Rob Siggan, and he's distressed. And he was the one who told me there was a heartbeat and he was very positive. He said, "Let's pray on this, let's hope this works out." I saw him pretty distressed and he had one of the producers walking behind him. I don't want to say who it was. And I looked at him and I said, and he went like, he said this, he nods his head, "No." And then I did the thing with the neck and the thumb down. He said, "Yes."

• 3:09Speaker 05

  I'm like, "Oh, now this is while someone's talking." So, I have to ask the group, has anyone confirmed this on air? Has anyone confirmed this? And sure enough, John Solomon had gotten off our shot, got a word from, I guess, the FBI, because he's very close to the FBI, folks, that Charlie Kirk had passed. He was dead, it was confirmation, it was the first confirmation. And the guy said, "Yep, yep, they just got in touch with Solomon, it's true." So, we announced the death of, the actual death of, the assassination death of Charlie Kirk on air, 13:44 on Wednesday.

• 3:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, there are certain moments in life where you'll remember where you were at. I remember when 9/11 happened, I was working at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, 6 o'clock in the morning in Glendale. I remember Kobe, I remember Charlie Kirk. These are moments you're gonna remember for the rest of your life when these events took place. But we got a lot of things to go through here today and there's even a few stories on the inside that's come out. The one thing I do want to tell you guys, the exchange going back and forth, yesterday Cash Patel was up there, he went after Adam Schiff. Then he had a moment with Booker, I believe, right? Cory Booker, which is a very special moment.

• 4:21Speaker 06

  Beautiful moment.

• 4:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But there's also a moment with Kennedy, where Kennedy asked him a question saying, "What happened to the Epstein files?" We're gonna play all those three clips for you. There's a back and forth with Candace and Bill Ackman, Bill Ackman, billionaire, Candace Owens calling him out about a meeting that took place in the Hamptons with influencers and potentially Netanyahu offering $150 million to Charlie Turning Point USA, which allegedly he turned down. We'll talk about that and I'm sure, Eric, you got some things you want to say about that. A fellow was on CNN, which we have to play this clip. He did such a phenomenal job. Abby asks him a question saying, "Do you think it's fair that so many people on the right want to get these people to get fired?" And then he gives a stat from YouGov.

• 5:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And she, normally she interrupts, she's famous for interrupting everybody. And all of a sudden, she doesn't know what to say. And so afterwards, we went and looked up what that study was. You have to see the difference about how the far right versus the far left. What does the far right, the very conservative, want to see happen to somebody opposing side versus what does the far left want to see happen to somebody that disagrees with you politically? This is not a Fox poll. This is not a Breitbart poll. This is a YouGov poll that validates what a lot of people who are conservative are saying about this. So you have to see this. And by the way, that whole tweet with Elon Musk retweeted, one of the tweets I put up with, what do you call it? It's tough to debate?

• 5:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That validates what Elon was sharing about a guy that, I think you gave me that picture, the guy that says everybody keeps going for the left, everyone stayed on the same side. We'll talk about that. And again, more stories with Charlie, we'll talk about that. Illinois TV anchor resigns after suspension over an on-air Charlie Kirk tribute. Jamie Lee Curtis, who is probably not on the same page as Charlie.

• 6:11Speaker 06

  No.

• 6:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I even think you said-

• 6:13Speaker 06

  She has a trans kid.

• 6:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Trans kid was very emotional about what happened there.

• 6:18Speaker 06

  She has a soul, Pat. She actually has a soul.

• 6:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You've got to respect that.

• 6:21Speaker 06

  Hundred percent.

• 6:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Couple of things that happened. Charlie Kirk, Elon Musk posted something about Destiny, that Destiny needs to get arrested or something like that. And him and Hassan Piker, I want to get your thoughts on this as we get closer to it. Vinnie, I know you've got a lot of stuff to say about that. And we'll have that up to go through. This is the who is Steve Bonnell, which I think that's-

• 6:43Speaker 06

  Steve Bonnell is, I don't even, I don't like saying the D-word because I don't play that fantasy crap. His name is Steve, or Steven, whatever the hell his name is.

• 6:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, okay. And then a few things with TikTok stories coming up. NYPD warns of further violence in the wake of Charlie Kirk, United Healthcare CEO killing. And if you guys didn't see the celebration with what happened with Luigi Mangione, how the guys were celebrating outside, we have to play that clip and react to it. Couple of things with Russia and Ukraine, Trump ready to hit Moscow with major sanctions. Elon bought back a billion dollars worth of Tesla shares. The stock went up and Russia losing the Ukraine war. And we got a few other stories here. Robert Redford, incredible actor, died at the age of 89 years old yesterday. He was in one of my favorite movies, Indecent Proposals, as well as The Old School,

• 7:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Great Gatsby, a legend, may he rest in peace, no longer with us. And we got a few other things I will go through as well. But one thing I do want to tell you guys that happened on Monday. On Monday, I told you guys, any USA merch you buy, 100% of the proceeds, not proceeds, not the profit, not the gross profit. Whatever you buy, 100% will go to Turning Point USA. And within 24 hours, we sold $100,000 worth. So we're announcing today that we're sending $100,000 to Turning Point USA. We sent it to them yesterday. It was wired over to them yesterday. It should hit again either yesterday or today, but we're continuing again today.

• 8:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So anybody who didn't participate, just so you know, that $100,000 went because of you. You guys chose to do this, so respect to all of you. But we're doing it again, and we even added a couple of new shirts there just in the memory of Charlie. This is one that says, "Live Free" with the American flag. And if you zoom in on the American flag, you'll see "Future Looks Bright" on it right there. And then there's a ton of other items. Team USA, if you love America, if you love Charlie, if you want to find a way to collectively contribute to Turning Point USA, 100% of whatever you purchase here today, any one of these items you purchase on the USA collection. 100% of it will go to Turning Point USA and we'll give that update again on what that

• 8:55Patrick Bet-David?

  looks like between now and Friday. So to everybody that did that, salute to you. Alright, let's get right into it. Rob, can you pull up the Dear Abby clip? You know which one I'm talking about. Abby from CNN. So Abby from CNN has this gentleman on. I want to get his name correctly. Who is he by the way? Eric, do we know? I know his face. I know his face. I don't know his name. Can we zoom in on the name, Rob?

• 9:15Speaker 07

  It's a former representative Joe Borrelli.

• 9:18Speaker 05

  I know Joe, bro. Yeah, in New York.

• 9:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So New York State Rep. Joe Borrelli, she's asking him if it's fair that the right is wanting to get people on the left to get canceled. And he brought some receipts. Go ahead, Rob.

• 9:31Speaker 08

  This is about punishing them. Them being the left, them being his political opponents. That actually, I think, is surprising to a lot of Americans because that's not typically what you would expect to hear from the White House after something like this.

• 9:47Speaker 09

  Well, let's talk about some polling that he used to justify those comments before he made them on TV. YouGov came out with a poll three days ago, talking about how each side feels about violence and support of political deaths. Liberals, 16% believe it's okay to feel joy when your political opponent is killed. Liberals, very liberals, 24%. Conservatives, 4%. Very conservatives, 3%. Justifying violence. Very liberal people have 25% answered, yes, it's okay. You justified to do violence against your political opponents. Liberals, 17%. Conservatives, 8%. And very conservatives, 3%. That means it is 6 to 1 times more likely in response to this poll on the left. Now, I'm not saying there's

• 10:29Speaker 09

  exclusivity on the left. I'm not saying that. But there is certainly a problem where 6 times the amount of Republicans believe that it's okay to feel joy when your political opponent is killed, murdered, whatever, attacked, and that 6 to 1 believe that they are okay in justifying violence against political opponents. That's a problem. That's a cancer within the movement.

• 10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's that. Now, let's go to the study that he's quoting. So if you want to go to the study that we have, if you can go all the way to the top, so people can see, you know, the other way around, so people can see where it's at. It's YouGov, okay, that's doing this study. What Americans Really Think About Political Violence. So let's go through a couple of the polls, Rob, and then Eric, I'm going to come to you. Go a little bit lower, go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower. All right, so what's this first one say? Most Americans say political violence is a very big problem, or somewhat of a problem. And you'll see there, you know, a very big problem, not a problem. Democrats, a very big problem, 58. Independents, 54, but Republicans, 67, a very big problem. On the ages, you see as you get older, it's a bigger problem. The younger, it's not really a problem. So let's go to the next question on what they looked up.

• 11:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, no, keep going to the next one, Rob. Keep going to the next one, go to the next one, go to the next one. Keep going, keep going, keep going. All right, this one here. Most Americans say it's unacceptable to be happy about public figures' deaths, but younger and more liberals are likely to call it acceptable. So if you look at this question, do you generally consider it acceptable or unacceptable for a person to be happy about the death of a public figure they oppose? So if you look at the very liberal, look at the very liberal. America, US adults, 8% says acceptable, okay? 77% say unacceptable. But look at the political ideology. Very liberal, 24% say it's acceptable.

• 12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Liberal, 10%. Moderate, 7%. Conservative, 4%. Rob, can you click on the very conservative, so people can see that number? That's 3%, if you just click on it. So check this out. The far left and the far right, that's how you would look at it, right? The far left, eight times more okay with a person on the opposing side to get killed and experience violence than the other way around. The age makes sense as we go through, and then there's more things, Rob. If you can put the link below, put it actually in PBD Podcast Circle with the notes. So if people want to go get it, we'll put that link in the PBD Podcast Circle. Eric, when you see this, what do you think about this poll?

• 13:00Speaker 05

  If you look at very liberal and liberal versus very conservative and conservative, it's almost six times, and you eliminate the middle area, there's no question that the left is the party of violence. Patrick, it was probably five months ago, the left, the liberal, I cannot remember, maybe in Hakeem Jeffries, some prominent left figure, elected official, said the Democrat Party has been too soft. We lost the election, we've been too soft, Trump is doing what he wants to do, we need to get tougher, we need to fight the way Trump got to fight. And from that moment on, they, it was almost like the door swung open for liberals in the liberal media to call anyone on the right, specifically Trump, Hitler, and everyone

• 13:44Speaker 05

  who follows Trump, Nazis, but anyone who supported him was part of, you know, this fascist movement. So they started calling conservatives fascist because of their, you know, love of Donald Trump, and they said, "Fight, we need to fight harder, liberal fascism, Hitler, Nazi, Nazi youth, what do you think you're gonna do? You have a certain percentage of the population who are lunatics anyway, and those are dog whistles, not even dog whistles, those are megaphones to these folks, to say, okay, the people I admire, the liberals on the top of the food chain, tell me it's okay and I need to be more angry and take matters into my own hands. Of course you're going to.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  And I will tell you, Patrick, I am convinced you can call the FCC, call whoever you want, I am convinced that the trans community, there is something medically wrong here, right? So if you're, if you're taking these drugs to change your gender, hormone replacements, gender replacement therapies, I believe it affects your cognitive abilities and your decision-making abilities. If I have to have, if I have a medical marijuana card in the state of Florida, I can't get an open carry license, right? Because the authorities believe if you're high on weed, you might not have the same judgment as if you're not.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  Also, if I've been put into any sort of mental institution, I can't get an open carry. Why? Because some of the drugs you take may affect your decision-making process. Why aren't gender dysphoria, gender changing drugs, why aren't they scheduled the same way? Why should a trans person be able to get a gun when I couldn't?

• 15:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm fully with you there. Yeah, I'm fully with you. Vinny, where are you at with this?

• 15:32Speaker 06

  I agree 100%. And it's a beautiful, by the way, Pat, beautiful clip, because you know, because with all this-

• 15:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, at this point, we all know you're late.

• 15:39Speaker 06

  Adam, get in there. You're sneaking in like a five-year-old.

• 15:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody knows you're late. Come grab a seat.

• 15:43Speaker 06

  Everybody, Adam Sazik-

• 15:44Patrick Bet-David?

  15 minutes late. Go ahead.

• 15:45Speaker 06

  And what drives me crazy, because you make a great point with this whole trans thing, because it's the- There's no secret. This kid allegedly had a boyfriend. The boyfriend was a furry, trans, trying-to-transition person. It's how many more times, how many more instances have to happen for us to wake up and actually call it for what it is? And it's a great thing that, because the left is trying to make it seem like, because if I had to assume this transgender person was probably telling his boyfriend, "Hey, Charlie's the enemy. Charlie hates us. Charlie wants us dead." And there's a clip, Rob, that I sent. Did you see the exchange of Charlie speaking with the trans boy or girl? Whatever the hell was going on, Rob. I think I sent it to you earlier in the week. Yeah, I got it.

• 16:25Speaker 06

  Where, tell me this isn't compassion. Tell me this isn't love and Christianity and him trying to find out what's wrong with you. Can we play this clip, Matt?

• 16:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 16:33Speaker 06

  Go ahead, Rob.

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• 17:32Speaker 10

  What age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy? Because I don't know what's true, what's not.

• 17:38Speaker 11

  Are you comfortable telling me your story?

• 17:40Speaker 10

  I've known that since like 3rd grade. And I'm currently 19, almost 20. I've known basically since then. I didn't start going by like a different name until 7th and 8th grade. I just don't know like with the whole medical stuff, like what's true, what's not, what's helpful? Because I've heard so many different opinions.

• 18:01Speaker 11

  First of all, thank you so much for that.

• 18:03Speaker 10

  Yeah, of course.

• 18:03Speaker 11

  So, I'm gonna have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you. Which is, I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first. I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis. Just someone that is gonna listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else is going on. My prayer for you, and again, very few people will say this. I actually want to see you be comfortable in how you were born.

• 18:33Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 18:34Speaker 11

  I know that you might not feel that way, but I think that is something that you can achieve. I think that...

• 18:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Very noble.

• 18:41Speaker 06

  Very noble love and positivity. But, the left that you were talking about, Eric, what... And I'm sick and tired, I'm sick and tired of them using examples like, "Well, you guys..." And they brought up the one where Tim Walz, the guy that... The... Who was the guy that started shooting those two people in... You know what I'm talking about?

• 18:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, St. Louis.

• 18:59Speaker 06

  They were like, St. Louis, they were like, they were Trump... No, no, the guy was a Tim Walz appointee. He actually said, he said, "Tim Walz," uh, he might have been crazy, "hired me to go kill Amy Klobuchar." Like, and they're...

• 19:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you verify if we're talking about the same thing? I said St. Louis, this isn't St. Louis. It's a different one that you're talking about, man.

• 19:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, well, but there was a shooting where Tim Walz... The congress shooting. The congress shooting, they went to two separate places, male and female. But it's just, when are we gonna stop pretending, number one? You're talking about Minnesota. I think it was Minnesota. Right here. Yeah, yeah.

• 19:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So, let's do this. So, I guess, Vinny, the part we were talking about is 3% far left, 20% far right. Uh, far left is 24%, far right 3%, right? Now, here's a question. Yesterday, I'm on, Mario Nafal has me on, and Mario Nafal does a phenomenal job on X himself. And... He asked me a question. He says, what do you think should happen? We believe in free speech. He says, I'm in Dubai right now. We believe in free speech. Shouldn't these guys be able to say what they're saying? Like Hassan Piker, Rob, if you wanna put up what Hassan Piker said. He's a streamer. He gets a lot of eyeballs. I believe he's related to, um,

• 20:11Speaker 06

  Jank.

• 20:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Jank. I think it's his nephew or something like that. And Hassan is also another one of those great communicators.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:19Patrick Bet-David?

  But he also knows how to increase the temperature. And he is sitting there saying, we, uh, uh, I wanna see the blood. I don't know if you saw that one. There's two clips. One is him. And that's the one right there, Rob. I think that's the one. That's nine seconds. Play this clip here, Rob.

• 20:32Speaker 12

  Kill them. Kill those motherfuckers and murder those motherfuckers in the street. Let the streets, let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist bloods, dude. Kill them.

• 20:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so.

• 20:43Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 20:43Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, can you find out where he said that?

• 20:46Speaker 06

  That's on, that's on what stream, Robbie?

• 20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I just wanna know what stream.

• 20:50Speaker 07

  Well, that's on Twitch, cuz down here it says twitch.tv backslash Hassan Abi.

• 20:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So, perfect. So that's Twitch, right? So that means if it's still up and he's still active on Twitch, Twitch is okay with that, which by the way, that's Twitch's policies. And then.

• 21:04Speaker 06

  They've suspended, they, they have suspended him for saying stupid stuff, but then he comes right back on.

• 21:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So, and is that him on Twitch?

• 21:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 21:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Three million followers on Twitch. Okay. And then at the same time, uh, uh, uh, Destiny.

• 21:17Speaker 07

  Oh, man.

• 21:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is, uh, name is, what's his name? Steve Bonnell or something like that?

• 21:21Speaker 06

  Stevie Boy.

• 21:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so Steve Bonnell, story comes out. Who is Steve Bonnell? Uh, Destiny facing backlash after he refused to condemn Charlie Kirk's assassination. And I think this is the one with Anna Kasparian. I think Anna Kasparian handled it like a pro, not only a pro, like a noble human being. Uh, is that the one, Rob?

• 21:40Speaker 07

  So there's two. The first one is this one right here where, uh, Destiny says that, uh, Charlie Kirk would still be alive today if Donald Trump wasn't elected to a second term.

• 21:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 21:50Speaker 12

  I think that liberals need to wake up and finally realize that if they're not willing to do it, it will never come down. If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Donald Trump shouldn't have been president for the second term. Every time he's in office, this happens. People joked about when Biden came in, it was so boring, nothing was going on. Seven out of 10 of the largest protests in American history have happened under Donald.

• 22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Under Donald Trump, okay, so that's that part. And the question becomes, why? Uh, uh, I can be a billionaire, let's just call me Jorge. I can be a billionaire and have a lot of money. And I can pay people to do protests to make it seem like there's a lot of chaos and blame it on the president. That's very easy to do. And then I can have a guy named Joseph, who can become the leader and make it seem like everything is peaceful. But nobody around the world respects us and wars are happening all over the place. Which of the two would you rather prefer? Optics is it and manipulation works? What is the other clip? Right? Yeah. Do you have the one with Elon Musk, the tweet?

• 22:45Speaker 07

  Uh, yes. And then the other clip that I also have is him refusing to, uh, denounce the killing of Charlie Kirk.

• 22:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Where is, is that, is that a tweet?

• 22:52Speaker 07

  So this is the, this is the Elon Musk response to Destiny right here.

• 22:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So if you just saw Destiny endorse political violence today, be advised that this is not a one-time thing. And it's not new. Okay. Elon Musk says, let him say what he wants, but then also pay the price under the law. I don't think this jackass should be banned, but Amazon should stop paying him to incite murder. That's insane. Separately, incitement to murder and domestic terrorism is a felony crime for that. He should go to prison. He can resume streaming when he has served his term. Vinny, thoughts on this?

• 23:25Speaker 06

  And Rob, can you go? Cause yesterday Destiny trying to play the freaking Steve, tried to play the victim and he's like, Elon got me banned from Twitch. Somebody fact-checked him. He was banned in March 2022. Can you find out? First of all, he's a liar, Pat, and in regard to his, his character as a human being, he's, he's being sued right now for a girl that me and Adam know. Excuse me, about, uh, putting a video up on her and it spread to porn sites, but that's a whole different situation, but know who you're talking about. Rob, and this is it, Rob. He said unreal, other conservative, Elon Musk and other conservatives got me banned from Twitch. This is readers added context. That's from March 2022. Stop playing the victim. Steven, and then Rob, go to the clip, please, that I sent you.

• 24:07Speaker 06

  He posted, um, a video, he recounted, this is an older clip, but he recounted a near murder, uh, plot against a rival gamer. I guess a rival gamer conducted a DDoS attack on him. Listen to what he says. Rob, keep going down, no, down, down, down the other way. It's the Destiny one, up, up, up. Is that it?

• 24:28Speaker 07

  I don't see it.

• 24:30Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, it's a clip of him, I'm gonna send it to Rob, where he's literally calling for the murder, and this is to answer your question. You could have all the free speech you want, all day. The moment you say, "Go kill them", or you say, "I'm going to go kill, and I want to kill", that's the line in the sand, and that's where the law has to get involved. You could go say whatever you want, F Donald Trump, we're Nazis, whatever. The consequences legally, because we're not gonna go there and kill you and shoot you like the left does, there has to be consequences. And while you guys are talking, I'm gonna send it to Rob, because I have it.

• 25:01Speaker 05

  Adam, your thoughts, because you've spent time with Destiny.

• 25:03Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I know Destiny very well. He's very informed, he's well spoken. He's not an idiot, but he is very cold and callous. You know, sometimes when you're gonna make your name on the internet, on YouTube, you have to have almost no shame, and honestly, like, tune out the noise, and not even care what people think. And sometimes, that's a good sign. On the other hand, at some point, you become completely apathetic. You have zero emotion, you have no feelings anymore. You become cold, you become unremorseful. And coldness is not a sign of strength. It's actually a sign of weakness. So you'll minimize people's pain, you'll gaslight, you don't care. So, to be clear, not an idiot.

• 25:48Adam Sosnick?

  You don't get to where he is with millions of followers.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  Has he been demonetized?

• 25:52Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know where he's at, I know he's dealing with it.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  How in the world can you get demonetized for saying, "I think the election was stolen", get demonetized for something as innocuous as that, and yet call for the murder, or call for violence against the opposite side, and still continue to thrive on these social media platforms?

• 26:09Adam Sosnick?

  The owners of those platforms have some explaining to do, is what you're saying, right?

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Clearly.

• 26:13Adam Sosnick?

  But here's what I've realized about the far, far, far left. And I wouldn't even put Destiny in the far left. We witnessed this when you were doing the Jubilee debate. Were those people stupid? Were they uninformed? Were they idiots? They were actually... You know, well spoken, smart, quick, but all their energy was just put in the wrong place. You know, they, they spend years of their lives just trying to double down on anti-America, anti-capitalist tendencies. There was people there that were citing things we've never even heard of. And at the end of the day, you can just ask these people one question. Here's the biggest differentiator. Do you love America? Or do you hate America? And you'll find that the people that support Charlie Kirk love America.

• 26:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what I want to ask. I want to ask this. Okay, Rob, is this the clip where he says what he says about what should happen to Trump supporters?

• 27:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, promoted and encouraged political violence towards conservatives.

• 27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, play that.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  Crime statistics?

• 27:10Speaker 14

  Not, not exactly like.

• 27:11Speaker 12

  I need, you need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature. The issue is right now, they don't feel like there's any fear.

• 27:25Speaker 12

  Like, I don't know, I don't know. It's like memes. It's just memes to everybody, I guess. I don't know, bro. I don't know. I don't care. I'm playing video games. Okay, I'm done today. I don't give a fuck. God, it's gonna be so fucking gay if I get killed in the next fucking two months.

• 27:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Then he says, I don't know, I'm gonna play video games.

• 27:39Speaker 05

  That's, yeah, but that's the definition of fascism right there. Intimidation, fear of death for what you say. That is literally the definition. And they want to call, hey fascist catch was engraved on the bullet casing that killed Charlie Kirk. They want to call the right fascists, they are, they're literally on the, on the road to fascism, if not already there.

• 27:59Adam Sosnick?

  Can I address the video game thing? Cause the first time I had Destiny on my show, I said like, what's your obsession with video games? Like, why are kids so obsessed with video games? He goes, you don't play video games? I go, not at all. I go, I got out there and touched grass. I play in the real world. There is a common theme here and I'm not generalizing. The far left will play video games and act tough. The people on the right actually have the guns and actually go to gym and actually are tough. But they don't, they don't overuse their authority because if there were a fight and I'm not encourages us at all, what do you think would happen if the right and the left actually clashed with guns and fights and fists? It wouldn't be close. Nobody wants that. But let's not twist it. The people on the right have a lot more

• 28:44Adam Sosnick?

  common sense and a lot more restraint and a lot more power and they don't use it.

• 28:48Speaker 06

  I found the power. I'm gonna send it to, I'm gonna send it to, yeah, please, please keep.

• 28:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, while this is going on. Okay, this isn't everybody, folks.

• 28:57Speaker 15

  Nope.

• 28:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't want to make it seem like Jamie Lee Curtis and Charlie Kirk are not on the same page. Okay? Jamie Lee Curtis, wasn't she in that one movie with Arnold, uh, uh?

• 29:05Speaker 06

  True Lies.

• 29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  True Lies, right? Here's Jamie Lee Curtis, Rob, we can't play the whole thing, do you know which parts to?

• 29:11Speaker 06

  It's right off the bat where she starts to get emotional.

• 29:13Speaker 15

  Charlie Crist was killed two days ago.

• 29:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody keeps saying Crist, but they're saying Kirk. Yeah, Charlie.

• 29:18Speaker 15

  I'm sorry.

• 29:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Kirk.

• 29:19Speaker 15

  Kirk, I just call him Crist.

• 29:21Speaker 06

  Governor of Florida.

• 29:22Speaker 15

  Because of Christ, because of, because of his deep, deep belief.

• 29:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 29:29Speaker 15

  I mean, it, I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say.

• 29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 15

  Brilliant. But I believe he was a man of faith.

• 29:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 29:39Speaker 15

  And I hope in that moment when he died, that he felt connected to his faith, even though I find what he,

• 29:49Speaker 15

  his ideas were abhorrent to me.

• 29:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 29:52Speaker 15

  I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith and I, I hope whatever connection to God means that he felt it.

• 30:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 30:03Speaker 15

  Yesterday was nine eleven.

• 30:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  And you notice that, you notice how she's, she still has a soul, she's, by the way, she's still here, but her soul knows that killing him is wrong, she says it. I didn't agree with 99%, obviously trans can all that.

• 30:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 06

  But your heart, your soul.

• 30:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think it's important, Vinnie, in times like this, to not only show the bad and the ugly, to inspire that you don't have to agree and can still give a message like that. There's a girl that works at Illinois TV anchor, okay? Resigns after suspension over an on-chair tribute that she gave, you saw this one, I'm sure. This lady's out there like giving a tribute to Charlie and all of a sudden they're like, hey man, you can't do that, what do you mean I can't do that? Benny Ray Harmony, an anchor for WICS, News Channel 20, an ABC affiliate in Springfield, resigned Monday after being suspended for this, go ahead, Rob.

• 30:58Speaker 16

  Much for tuning into Marketplace today, so I want to talk about something for a minute and it is heavy, so please bear with me. I want you to know that it's okay if you feel sadness, it's okay if you feel, if you're grieving. Two days ago, I lost a mentor, my first boss, the first person who made me believe in myself, that encouraged me to chase this dream that you're watching right now, Charlie Kirk. There's a lot going on in our world right now in our country. But I want to say one thing. Lean on your neighbors. Speak up for what you believe in. I don't care what it is. I want to share with you. One of my favorite sayings that Charlie would always tell us at the office. He would yell it from the mountaintop.

• 31:43Speaker 16

  So please listen. When conversations stop happening. When individuals become wordless. That's when violence begins. So if you do one thing today. Make it be with passion. With conviction. Stand up for your friends. Stand up for your beliefs. And speak loudly. Even if your voice shakes. Your words have meaning. Your values have purpose. Never forget that.

• 32:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for you, Benny Ray. You can pause it right there. And she got suspended for that? She got suspended for that. After she got suspended. She resigns and this is her statement on X. My resignation is guided by values that are essential to who I am. Which I refused to set aside in order to keep a job. I chose my faith. And love of country and always will. And that's how she left. That's she left this place. Good for her. Eric, you sat on the board. Okay, you sit on the board and you've spent a lot of time with the folks at Turning Point USA.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  Have.

• 32:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And you've spent a lot of time with those guys. Yeah. So walk me through what we don't see. Walk me through what the people didn't see. Maybe explain.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  This is, you're touching on something extremely shocking for me. Powerful for probably the country and the world, Patrick. You're touching on something. We knew Charlie passed on Wednesday at 4:13 last week. By the time I got home. The outpouring from everywhere started, right? So 7 o'clock at night, 8 o'clock at night. The next day we wake up. And we're in the news business. Now Charlie was a colleague. He was a friend. I'm on the board of TPUSA. I've worked with them for, since they launched in 2012, 2013 ballpark. That's when I joined their advisory board.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  I will tell you, you don't realize the reach that this man had. Nine hundred schools, right? Right? As of the day he was assassinated. Thirty-eight thousand schools looking to open up chapters around the world. People celebrating. Hashtag, you should do that, your shirts and your merch. Do a hashtag, I am Charlie Kirk. You will kill it. Everyone right now is hashtagging, I am Charlie Kirk. What happened was, when you take a young man, thirty-one years old, a man who's married with a beautiful family, very Christian, very spiritual, very successful, but he was assassinated in cold-blooded daylight

• 34:07Speaker 05

  at a college campus where our young people are learning to become adults. To see that, to experience that, and then to have it broadcast around the world in seconds, his murder, the violent nature of his passing. It was, it was a historic moment. You pointed this out, you remember where you were when JFK, etc. We will all remember where we were when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Because no one saw the depth and reach of Charlie Kirk until now. Because I think people who didn't even really like Charlie or conservatism realized, hey, it's kind of, it doesn't matter what he believes in as far as the Bible. It matters what a type of person he was. He was a good person. And everyone said, that could be me.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  That could be me, or my wife, or my son, or my daughter. We all associated ourselves with that moment right there. And it will be a profound, profound moment. Turning Point USA will be the biggest political entity for the very, very foreseeable future, in my opinion. It'll blow away any sort of RNC, CPAC. Nothing will come close to Turning Point USA going forward.

• 35:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and it's interesting you're saying that. They've seen a surge in applications. The organization Turning Point USA says, you just said it right now. Thirty-seven thousand new applications to start new chapters in schools across the US during a tribute episode of Charlie Kirk's show. With Vice President JD Vance, Kirk's executive producer says Kirk dreamed of having chapters in every high school in the country and it looks like that dream is becoming a reality. And I'm sure he's watching it from above, seeing this become a reality, what he did. The positive impact, I'm talking to one of the guys that runs the TPUSA, we were having a call yesterday, he's the number two guy.

• 36:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, you know, Charlie would always, we would talk and we would say, how big you think our reach really is? And he says, honestly, we would joke, we're like, I don't know if we're as big as we think we are. And he's telling me this, he says, I don't know if we're as big as we think we are, I don't know. He said, he said, it's amazing that this had to happen for us to realize how massive the reach was. Sometimes when you're in it, you don't understand what's really going on.

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Patrick, I'm in it. We do this, we analyze media, we analyze politics. No one saw the reach, young people from around the world, around the world are saying, it's just not right what happened, I don't like what they did, I have to at least explore what this is.

• 36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So I want to ask you a question. So this is a question I want to ask you guys as we're going through this, because if you noticed, the 24% very left, the 3% very conservative, okay? It's okay, political violence, it's not okay, right? I'm not with it. No, no, we can disagree. And you're watching this going on. The question then becomes the following, why Charlie Kirk? Okay? And who are other Charlie Kirks that we have today? I got a weird phone call a couple of days ago, and them saying, hey, we just want you to know, you know, there are certain names that people are looking at, you're on a top 50 list, just increase the temperature, increase your protection around you. Great, no problem. To me, the way I live my life, I like people, I'm around, I'm not somebody that, you know,

• 37:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll go to a restaurant by myself and my family and I'll talk to anybody and everybody very comfortable with it. However, while they're saying this, I sit down and I think about previous case studies when this happened. Is this it? Because if you go in the 60s and you look at the timeline of 60s.

• 37:51Patrick Bet-David?

  There were, there was a, you know, a, a, a family that was coming up where people were afraid of. And they were worried they may be running the White House for 20 years. There was sincere fear of that happening. And it wasn't just from the right, it was also from the left. LBJ, not a fan of the guy, the way he became a president is a very interesting way how he became a president. Okay? And we've read the stories, we all know the books, we've known Roger Stone, we've known the mistress that he had, we've watched the videos, what she said, if you're in the space, you know what LBJ's role was in this. So John F. Kennedy gets assassinated November 22nd, 63.

• 38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Martin Luther King gets assassinated April 4th of 68. Two months later, after Martin Luther King gets assassinated, June 5th, two months later, 68, RFK gets assassinated. You're talking about John F. Kennedy, MLK, RFK, within a five-year period, four and a half-year period, this happens. Then there was a what? Shutting down of the temperature till, can we say Reagan assassination attempt that took place, what, 20 years later? Whatever the timeline was, 20 something years later, right? When Reagan went through it. So to me, as I'm watching this, let's look at the case study. What is John F. Kennedy, RFK, and what does MLK all have in common?

• 39:18Adam Sosnick?

  They're trying to unite people and not use violence.

• 39:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Not necessarily just unite, no, but wait a minute, no. They were calling out.

• 39:26Adam Sosnick?

  The establishment.

• 39:27Patrick Bet-David?

  The establishment.

• 39:28Adam Sosnick?

  The elites.

• 39:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, John F. Kennedy was not a establishment candidate, he was an anti-establishment candidate. LBJ was establishment. MLK was not establishment, he was anti-establishment. And they were calling out on what things they were worried about. On what could potentially happen. What happened to them? I think today, two of those guys. One was a president, one would have became a president, one was an AG, right?

• 39:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, yes.

• 39:55Patrick Bet-David?

  RFK was an AG. And by the way, some would say RFK was tougher than JFK. RFK was a tough, went against a mob and he was not willing to play games. And then MLK was fearless, but he was more faith-based. He wasn't Malcolm X. He was more from coming from a place of peace. You can't even put Malcolm X on this list. Do you think we're living in an era where this is it? Or do you think the next couple of years, they're gonna see this as an opportunity to be worried that Trump may? I don't even think they're gonna target Trump. I think it's who is next? They're worried. Democrats have the lowest in 35 years. They're losing day after day after day after day after day.

• 40:39Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not a good look where they're at right now. Do you think maybe they're sitting there worried about the next 5, 10, 15, 20 or saying, hey? You know, we may be sitting here not doing it, but we're gonna keep using these words. So other young, you know, Robinsons are gonna get out there and do something about it. What do you think?

• 40:54Speaker 05

  I'm, Patrick, I, the, if I'm reading into what you're saying, you're, I'm hearing you say Tyler Robinson was a lone wolf in this. It's, he was just radicalized by the left. My concern is that there's, there's more to it. I mean, Charlie is shot at that moment. Everyone goes down, except for one guy starts, jumps up, I did it, I did it. 65-year-old.

• 41:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Georgeon.

• 41:20Speaker 05

  72, I believe.

• 41:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he 72? What? Older man gets arrested, shooter gets away, right? Immediately, I'm like, that was very strange. Another kid jumps up in front of the camera, celebrating Charlie's death. I believe there's, there's more to it than a shooter. I think there's, this is, it's a, they're being funded, they're being trained, they're being radicalized by a group and, and, and we will, we will find out.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  It's, it's, in this, this, I had the sheriff of the county that Charlie was shot in on the show yesterday. And that guy, that guy who, who, he's in jail. He, he was a diversion so that the shooter could get away. He, well, now he's saying he, he was in fact, so.

• 42:00Speaker 06

  George, George Zen.

• 42:02Speaker 05

  How did they, how did they hook up? Where, there's gonna be more, there's gonna be.

• 42:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, with George Zen, Vinny, if you wanna give the update on what they found on George's computer.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  So for, and, and you, you make a great air, uh, point, Eric, and I'm gonna come back to that. But apparently he got arrested for, what was his actual a- arrest, Rob?

• 42:18Speaker 07

  I believe possession of child porn is what they now charged him with.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  No, but they, they arrested him because he was claiming to be the shooter at the moment.

• 42:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, so, and for anybody, for anybody out there, guys, oh yeah, so by the way, so they arrested him for obstruction of justice, but then they asked for a cellphone, he was being very hesitant. They took it, and what are the odds that the same guy that said he witnessed nine eleven, the same guy that was in Utah and got, got arrested for terrorism, just so happens to be at one of the biggest assassinations in the history of this freaking country on a college campus, and he's yelling, "Shoot me, I did it, shoot me." As, as, by the way, and people are like, no, he was just trying to distract from the shooter. Okay, what, just in the moment? And for anybody out there, but I know, I know you know this, who are snipers or know how to shoot, when you're a sniper, you have a spotter, you have somebody looking at distances, you have people in the crowd. It's not just you by himself.

• 43:11Speaker 06

  So he admittedly fa- he false claimed in the fact that he's doing this. Guys, the, somebody did the math, it's a one in two billion chance, one in two billion, Eric, that this guy was at September 11th, did the terrorism thing, and then he's here. So, a normal person would say, wait a minute, hold on a second. This guy probably knew that this was gonna happen, and where did it happen?

• 43:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he knew this was gonna happen?

• 43:36Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 43:37Speaker 06

  I think that, and you know where, you know where, you know where I think? And this is just my, my Vincent's assumption, allegedly. They were all on this Discord chat.

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Discord, I was gonna say, maybe Discord, 100%.

• 43:47Speaker 06

  And if he's a child porn having on his phone, he's probably in there, Pat, talking to furries, or whatever the hell these freaking idiots are, and they're probably like, hey, listen, we're gonna go do it, come with us.

• 43:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you this other question, that, that Rob brought up earlier. So, so the child porn thing, if you really wanna. go out there.

• 44:05Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:05Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the, the first Tucker, I think, said this a while back. That when they want to find a patsy or confuse or throw you off or whatever it is, they'll say, hey, he had child porn on his computer, right?

• 44:17Speaker 07

  And they can plant it on there.

• 44:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And they can, and they can do that.

• 44:20Speaker 07

  Hundred percent.

• 44:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, if you see in movies, they throw cocaine in a guy's car like you have cocaine. I don't have cocaine. Yeah, you do. Now you're doing a lot of getting arrested.

• 44:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So these things are not things that just accidentally happened. This has happened a past before. If it's true or not, this is, this does not seem like a good guy with the past that he has.

• 44:36Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 44:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, as we're going through this.

• 44:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and, and we're talking about, by the way, let me go back to the question. So I, I don't, Vinny, do you think the sixties? Do you think this is, and again, I want to go to it.

• 44:49Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 44:50Patrick Bet-David?

  If this is something that a lot of people are involved.

• 44:57Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 44:57Patrick Bet-David?

  One, you, you gotta, you gotta, you, you know, this has got to be a pattern because if it's, if you're go, if you're gonna say, now, the guy just woke up one day. It was dating a transgender. And, you know, that's all it was. It's nothing more than that. He went and took him out. That's it. All right, girl. Let's move on to our normal lives. But if you're saying, no, this was planned intentional by somebody funding it, which by the way, Rob, is it true that the president says he wants to investigate Soros for Rico?

• 45:24Speaker 07

  Please.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 45:26Speaker 07

  For, for the news.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  Might.

• 45:27Speaker 07

  Might.

• 45:28Speaker 05

  Might. Might. He's, he's good at qualifying that.

• 45:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He said he might investigate Soros for Rico.

• 45:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:33Patrick Bet-David?

  That, that, and he said that in a video. Is that a tweet or is that a video?

• 45:36Speaker 05

  He said it on tape.

• 45:37Speaker 07

  Uh, Fox News.

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Someone asked him.

• 45:39Speaker 07

  Right here. Uh, Fox and Friends, this was, uh, Friday, right after.

• 45:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me, let me hear this.

• 45:43Speaker 07

  Look at that face.

• 45:45Speaker 17

  I went into a restaurant and this woman stood up. I looked at her immediately. She had money. She wasn't, she wasn't, so she, they get paid for it. They're professionals from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a Rico case against him and other people. Because this is more than like protest. This is real agitation. This is riots on the street.

• 46:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I believe this is, I believe this is happening. But if, if, let's just say this is a. Set up and someone's behind it, a mastermind behind it. Okay, if that's the case, you think this is it?

• 46:19Speaker 06

  Nope, nope, no. Me, me personally, absolutely not. I think it's going to keep happening and I'm so happy that the security of all, of everybody, all of us need to watch our asses because it's not going to stop. Okay, think about it. This is the same side, the same side that openly, openly, the left weaponized the Department of Justice and FBI to go after their political opponents, okay? They have JB Pritzker, I have Rob, he's trying to claim right now, Pat, that he's like, I never, I never, did you see this clip?

• 46:52Speaker 05

  I didn't say Nazi.

• 46:53Speaker 06

  Watch this, yeah, watch this.

• 46:54Speaker 05

  This is good. That is completely false. I have never called Republicans Nazis.

• 46:58Speaker 18

  Everything that he has done has been tearing down constitutional democracy and that's what happened in Nazi Germany. It doesn't take very long to tear apart a constitutional republic. Indeed, the Nazis did it in 53 days. And

• 47:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Great hair.

• 47:16Speaker 18

  Our democracy is almost as fragile and we're seeing it right now. The dangers that we saw in, in, you know, Nazi Germany, especially in the earliest days of Nazi Germany are the dangers that we need to react to now.

• 47:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Top three candidate for the left for 2028.

• 47:37Speaker 06

  Oh, oh, yeah. So, so great, great to your point, it's not gonna stop. And then mind you, they have the mainstream media keep pushing this narrative because that's what he's speaking on. You said the stat of how many colleges, because Charlie was what? Charlie was going to colleges because this woke mind virus, he was trying to act as like a vaccine to try to just talk, talk like what's wrong with you to get into their brains. How many percentage of professors in all these colleges are Democrat left-leaning?

• 48:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Best, best case is eight to one, worst case is 15 to one.

• 48:09Speaker 06

  Eight to one and the majority of them.

• 48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Eight Democrats, eight liberals to one conservative professor.

• 48:13Speaker 06

  So when you have that, when you have that monopoly and you have these people saying this and this is their vision, why would it stop? Why would anybody sold on because Pat, they think they're They think, okay, well, this is a Nazi.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 06

  This is a fascist. If I kill him, I'm gonna be the freaking savior of our freaking, of our movement. And that's what's happening in here, Pat. And it's not gonna change. They're gonna keep going. They're looking for windows of opportunity. This Tyler guy is just one incident. There's thousands and thousands, maybe millions of these freaking brainwashed psychos out there. Period.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  Man, throw in here 100% right, Ben. Do you have the picture of the guy celebrating at literally the moment? So I had this, this young man who was on the front row, watched Charlie get assassinated. And he said something, I said, is there anything that was strange? You know, walk through the beforehand during the event, right after the event? He said, the only thing I saw that was all out of the ordinary was the minute the shot happened, people realized he was shot. Everyone got down.

• 49:10Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  And there's a picture, this guy.

• 49:11Speaker 06

  Look at this.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  This guy you're gonna see here, celebrating. Now you're gonna...

• 49:14Speaker 06

  Charlie's just been shot.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  He's just been shot. Now, now if you just give it a second, give it a beat here. Everyone's fearful for their life, right? You have an active shooter.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  Look at this guy.

• 49:22Speaker 05

  And he makes himself the biggest target right in the line from that shooter 200 yards away on the roof, right in front of Charlie. He is right in the middle. That is not human. That man is either violently ill, or...

• 49:34Adam Sosnick?

  What do we know about him? Has he been interviewed?

• 49:36Speaker 05

  Yes, he's, he's being interviewed right now. He's being interviewed. The other guy's in jail, because we talked to the sheriff. But there's not, there's no way this guy, this kid pulls off a 200 yard shot. Yeah, okay. I get a trained sniper. It's not a tough shot. With a spotter though.

• 49:52Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 49:53Speaker 05

  And with a diversion to get away. And then this guy going like this, the moment Charlie shot, there's no question in my mind that this was, this was not just Tyler Robinson.

• 50:02Adam Sosnick?

  What is a spotter exactly?

• 50:04Speaker 06

  Spotter, Adam. So let's, let's say Eric is, is setting up his shot. Spotters are with binoculars. They're looking, by the way, the sniper that I knew, Adam, they look at the ground to see where the heat wave of the wind and it's so much.

• 50:15Adam Sosnick?

  So you're saying if you're gonna take someone out, there's usually at least another person involved?

• 50:19Speaker 06

  Especially in sniping. Yeah. And by the way, and then he's carrying a towel around it, which is brilliant because you don't wanna bang the scope because the scope has to be zeroed in. You can't take off a scope and put it on and it shoots where you want it to shoot.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  By the way, a couple things here. So to go back to that, John F. Kennedy, when he was assassinated, he was 46.

• 50:37Patrick Bet-David?

  RFK was 42, MLK was 39. So, notice a pattern there. What do you notice a pattern? A seven-year age difference. Okay, what's the thing with Charlie right now?

• 50:47Speaker 06

  Thirty-one.

• 50:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Thirty-one. So what do you notice with this? They're not worried about the 80-year-old.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  Right.

• 50:53Patrick Bet-David?

  They, they, they're addressing the future.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Honestly, Pat, that is the reason Charlie's dead. Not because he had the reach he had, he had the reach with young people.

• 51:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  It's the most valuable commodity in politics.

• 51:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So I, I think that part, as you're going through it, you know, of course, everybody is going through, you know, should I protect, should I not? But I do think there's a handful of names, I am not gonna give names. I do think there's a handful of names that if the enemy wanted to do something, those handful of names are above everybody else. I won't give those names. They'll be above everybody else as they're going through something like this. And by the way, I had a guy yesterday, we interviewed a bunch of different people on the security side, and one guy yesterday, 18 Delta guy, that we're talking to, I, I said, "Why don't they sweep the top if there's snipers there?" You know what he said? He says, "In 37," Rob, can you look this up? He kept using the word 37 states.

• 51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  "In 37 states, it's illegal for you to go sweep the, the area, the perimeter for snipers."

• 51:58Speaker 06

  What?

• 51:59Patrick Bet-David?

  "In 37 states," I said, "What do you mean by that?" He says, "In 37 states, you're not allowed to do it." Folks, if you're in the military, if you're in the FBI, if you're working in this world, if you're Secret Service, Manecta sent us a message, let us know, but he said, "In 37 states, you can't do it." He says, "Don't you think they would do it? Of course they would do it. We'd love to do it." He says, "But," and then he says, "In Virginia, they allow you to do this," and he started going through all these other states on how you can do it. But apparently, in 37, they don't.

• 52:26Speaker 06

  Not even, not even a drone? Like, if I was Charlie's team, have a drone, bro. You're sitting in a, in a, in the middle of a valley, have a drone, if you're not by the airport, at least surveil to make sure nobody's posting up. That, that, that right there is underestimating the fuck-

• 52:39Adam Sosnick?

  Pennsylvania or Utah on those 37 states, those are where the shootings have occurred.

• 52:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. And, and matter of fact, I'm gonna have, I'm gonna have, while I'm live right now, I'm gonna have, uh, I'm gonna text somebody to go a little bit deeper into this, to ask the question about this. By the way, Rob, can you do me a favor? Can you put up that Anna Kasparian clip about Erica, while he's, she's talking to, uh, uh, what do you call it? To Destiny about be a human being for once, right? Now, watch this here. Go for it.

• 53:06Speaker 19

  You Destiny, you have so much hatred in your heart and at the same time you judge others as hateful.

• 53:12Speaker 12

  If you're going to weaponize somebody's grief against the other party, then of course people have a right to fight back against it. I think that she has every right to grieve in whatever way she wants, but when that grief is going to be weaponized to do recruitment, political recruitment and further radicalization of the other side, then of course you not only have the ability to mock it, I think you have the obligation to mock it. It's insane.

• 53:30Speaker 19

  Let me understand. Let me understand your argument. So since others are using her grief to politically recruit, you think that it's okay to mock her specifically?

• 53:41Speaker 12

  Since others are using her grief? She's the one who gave a 17-minute speech on TV where she talked about good versus evil. She's the one showing up in TTUSA ads to one or two days after.

• 53:52Speaker 19

  If someone assassinated my husband, if someone assassinated my husband, I would not be able to have the level of composure she had during that speech. I would be out for blood. I understand why she's angry and why she said the things that she said. Okay, you need to understand what being a human is, what it's like to actually lose someone that you love, that you chose to spend your life with, that you chose to raise children with, a person who was violently and viciously assassinated like that. This is why I've moved away from identifying as a Democrat.

• 54:27Speaker 12

  It's so funny that you just said that you don't think about how other people act to define your behavior. Your entire political ideology now is somehow defined by the people that were mean to you on Twitter. If somebody cares about somebody who's grieving, then you tell that person hate.

• 54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So Keith Obermann said something like this on Twitter and I responded to Keith. I said, dude, did your parents hurt you? They had to have. Who hurt you? Who didn't believe in you? Who made you feel not good for you to have this level of hate in your body? This is not normal for somebody. If you go to replies, Rob, I'm trying to see what I told him. Cause he said something, go to replies. I don't reply a lot, so it should be easy to find. Keep going lower, lower, lower. Keith Oberman said, "Keep going lower, you'll see it."

• 55:12Speaker 06

  There it is.

• 55:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that it?

• 55:13Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 55:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go up to his tweet. So this is, I assume Cash Patel means, "Valhalla, New York," because otherwise I hate to break it to him, but neither he nor Kirk nor Trump are getting into heaven.

• 55:24Speaker 06

  What, like, you understand, like, he's basically saying Charlie is in hell. That's what this guy is saying, and as mad, as mad as I want to get, guys, who, who, what? Let's take a step back. What makes someone like that?

• 55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 55:40Speaker 06

  Like, how?

• 55:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Who hurts you to say something this nasty?

• 55:43Speaker 06

  How? Like, what, is it the system? Is it your family? Is it, like, I would sue, you know, everybody's suing for defamation? If I was Rosie O'Donnell, if I was Keith Oberman, if I was these psycho leftists, I would do a class action lawsuit and say, "You guys, CNN, MSNBC, all these, all of you guys that have spit in this poison, you've ruined our brains. You've ruined our brains." Because who, what human being thinks like this?

• 56:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's horrible.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  I mean, is it any better that Jasmine Crockett, who could be one of the top contenders for president in 2028, says blames an assault? Charlie Kirk wouldn't be dead if it weren't for the assault, the assault weapons or assault rifles that Trump allows. That is, number one, patently false. It wasn't assault rifle, it was a rifle. It was a sniper rifle. It wasn't, they have no idea what they're talking about, blaming guns again, again, within minutes of his death, blaming the guns as they always do. And then you hear them, it's almost justifying this Aaron Rupar and the others to have this attitude.

• 56:49Speaker 05

  Like, if our elected officials can't take a moment and be heartfelt and sorrowful for the loss of someone on our side, and blame people, immediately blame MAGA, then blame Charlie for his own words, and then blame the guns. This is what they do. If they can't have that, then we'll never, ever, ever be able to come together. We are destined to be two separate countries going forward.

• 57:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we go into the text exchange? Can we talk about the text exchange? And then I want to go into the Ackman and Candace. By the way, folks, again, remember, I want to remind you- Anything you purchase on Team USA, 100% of whatever you purchase is going to Turning Point USA. So if you're watching a podcast, you love America, you love Charlie, you love what Turning Point USA is doing. Anything you purchase on the Team USA products that's on there, 42, any one of them, 100% of the money that comes in is being sent to Turning Point USA. Go to VTMerch.com to place your order. Support the gear. Let me continue. So texting. Vinnie, as of right now, what's been shown is the text exchange between the shooter

• 57:53Patrick Bet-David?

  and his roommate, the transgender roommate that he has, right?

• 57:57Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 57:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And a lot of people are a little bit suspicious, saying, wait a minute, they're texting each other like this? Yes, but let me read it to you. Can you zoom in a little bit, Rob? Robinson, this is, "I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you." Roommate, "You weren't the one who did it, right?" Robinson, "I am. I'm sorry." Roommate, "I thought they caught the person." No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.

• 58:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I had planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quite almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering." Roommate, "Why? Why did I do it?" "Yeah, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it." Roommate, "How long have you been planning this?" "A bit over a week, I believe. I can get close to it, but there's a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it."

• 59:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Robinson, "I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got back to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle." I D E K, I don't know what that is.

• 59:38Adam Sosnick?

  I don't even know.

• 59:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't even know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave it in a bush where I change outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. How the F will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets? The F-ing messages are mostly a big meme. If I see, notice, bulge U W. Or on Fox News, I might have a stroke. Alright, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really F-ing sucks. Eric.

• 1:00:17Speaker 05

  Bulge U W U is the reference to the trans community. So Patrick, you read, you just read through that with, if it's, if you, here's my theory on this. This looks like an admission of motive, admission, the steps, it's a closed, it's a closed case. All I have to do is bring this up.

• 1:00:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  It's so well choreographed that the roommate doesn't play along. Kind of pulls, even pulls at one point, how long have you been planning this?

• 1:00:45Adam Sosnick?

  Weird, smart.

• 1:00:47Speaker 05

  Very weird question, right? It feels like this was a script. They, they put it out there that nails it.

• 1:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's they?

• 1:00:54Speaker 05

  The cabal that I believe is behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And probably looking to take out, to change, to alter history by taking out kingpins of conservative thought.

• 1:01:05Adam Sosnick?

  Question for you, Eric. I'm looking at this and I've learned the hard way. Don't just look at the exact thing, that don't be naive, there could be other extenuating circumstances. Are you saying, based on this conversation, that this conversation is not even real? It's fabricated?

• 1:01:21Speaker 05

  It looks to me, honestly, like it's a, a perfectly choreographed script to nail Tyler Robinson to this crime and, and only Tyler Robinson. Not even the roommate who is supposed to be a lover and this is why Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. He couldn't stand the hatred that Charlie Kirk had for trans, trans community, like his new boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever the hell he is. And, and, and not even implicate that person.

• 1:01:47Adam Sosnick?

  What are the chances, what are the chances? I, I'm not being naive. What are the chances? It was literally just this kid, Tyler Robinson, that's been radicalized, been upset. He's texting his love, he's gay, he's trans, whatever it is, and he generally just did it himself. He was a lone wolf.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Why didn't, when the lover, what are the chances? Honey, I, I feel so bad. It's, it's, for me, it's approaching zero. I mean, nothing's ever zero.

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  I, you know what I did? As soon as I saw this yesterday, as soon as it hit the air, I, I went and put in chat GPT. And chat TBC said, reading this, it feels more like something written than an actual text thread. I swear, I'm reading it from chat GPT right now. The pacing, the length, the sentences, the way he explains every single detail as if he's narrating a movie. It doesn't match how people text when they're panicking or hiding after a crime. Real text, hold on, let me, let me finish. Real texts are usually short, sloppy, with abbreviations, not long monologues that sound like a script. So my gut, chat GPT's gut, it doesn't read like an authentic back and forth. It reads more like a crafted effect. So, so that's that.

• 1:02:52Speaker 06

  But are you ready for this? It makes, and I, I, trust me, they know me, I'm, I'm, I never believe anybody. But it makes far more sense to think that these texts weren't fabricated by the FBI or somebody, but that the shooter and his boyfriend had a script, they staged it, and then they exchanged it. You know why? You nailed it, Eric. To give the freaking lover boyfriend cover.

• 1:03:16Speaker 05

  Cover and focus on Tyler.

• 1:03:19Speaker 06

  Just take the rap. Take the rap. Unbelievable.

• 1:03:21Speaker 05

  They added premeditation when the lover says, how long have you been planning this? Where did that come from? Is that a normal conversation between a guy who just blew away Charlie Kirk? And his, how long have you been?

• 1:03:35Speaker 06

  By the way, call the person.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  They got motive, they got the actual pulling the trigger, the aim, the reason, and now they got premeditation too.

• 1:03:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, you put it up there and what does it say to you?

• 1:03:44Speaker 07

  I did. I asked, chat GPT, analyze the script from these text messages. Do they sound authentic? And then I uploaded the text themselves. It gives a pretty long-winded answer, but at the end, overall assessment, these messages do not strongly resemble authentic oral text exchanges. They read more like a constructed script, possibly fabricated or heavily edited, that genuine spontaneous communication.

• 1:04:07Adam Sosnick?

  Wow. So, so is this kid in custody, the, the trans boyfriend?

• 1:04:10Speaker 06

  No, no. They spoke to the family, they spoke to him, they spoke to the family.

• 1:04:13Adam Sosnick?

  How is he not in custody right now?

• 1:04:14Speaker 06

  They questioned him.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  He can't leave, you know, it's, it's one of those.

• 1:04:17Speaker 06

  You just can't leave, yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 05

  He won't, I mean.

• 1:04:20Adam Sosnick?

  So if what you're saying is true, if what Chappy G, he's saying is true, that he's gonna be tried for. Accomplice to murder?

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  No, he's not kidding.

• 1:04:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You're talking about death penalties, what they're talking about.

• 1:04:30Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, for Tyler, Tyler's...

• 1:04:31Speaker 06

  I'm not talking about Tyler, I'm talking about, no.

• 1:04:33Adam Sosnick?

  You gotta prove it, it's a boyfriend.

• 1:04:34Speaker 06

  No, because this exchange, this exchange in court will play out like, hey, my client...

• 1:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  This is when he got the death penalty?

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  This is when they announced that they're, yes, the death penalty.

• 1:04:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch his reaction.

• 1:04:43Speaker 20

  Another business that we need to address today, counsel. Just for the court's information, we did file just recently, within the last few minutes, a notice of intent to seek the death penalty that was filed by Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray. So that should be in the court's file.

• 1:05:02Adam Sosnick?

  Wow.

• 1:05:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No reaction.

• 1:05:03Adam Sosnick?

  Is this frozen? Is this...

• 1:05:04Speaker 06

  No, that's him. That's his actual reaction?

• 1:05:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, you can see his eyes shift down, right here. His eyes shift down.

• 1:05:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back again, go back 10 seconds. Right there, that's good, Rob.

• 1:05:15Speaker 20

  Just recently, within the last few minutes, a notice of intent to seek the death penalty that was filed by Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray. So that should be in the court's file.

• 1:05:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:05:28Speaker 06

  So what...

• 1:05:30Adam Sosnick?

  Pat, where are you at with this? Like, meaning, I was just looking at the text on its surface, like, oh, wow. The trans boyfriend didn't know.

• 1:05:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, right.

• 1:05:37Adam Sosnick?

  Now, apparently, there's some, uh, stuff going on. Where are you at with this? Eric said he's close to 0%. It was a lone wolf.

• 1:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, the last time there was this type of dramatic exposure that was gonna happen was a guy named John F. Kennedy, with his father got his son in, and he was planning on having guys in the White House for 20 years. Joseph Kennedy had plans of this happening 40 years, 30 years before it happened. The day his first son was born, Joseph was supposed to be the first president, and he ended up dying at 22 years old in war as a pilot. I don't know what age he was when he died, but it's 22, 23, 24. Joseph Kennedy never became the same ever again after his oldest son died. But then what happens? The youngest son with lower back problems becomes president. Then they have this vengeance, this fire in their belly. Then the oldest becomes AG,

• 1:06:26Patrick Bet-David?

  the oldest becomes a tough guy. The establishment system says these guys are able to change a lot of things for America, and they're beloved. There's so many memorials of John F. Kennedy around the world, not in America. There's more statues of him around the world than any other president, I believe, all over the world. He was loved by people around the world, John F. Kennedy was. And then you see that they were gonna make some changes, and you bring it to today. Do I think this is accidental? Guys, when, when the president got elected, I gave a top five name of people that I believe were the ones that helped him get elected. Charlie Kirk, I sent him a message, I told him, I said, "Listen, I don't know if you realize this, without you, this doesn't happen." He says, "Well, I'm not doing it for recognition."

• 1:07:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, "Well, you need to take it, because you played a massive role." And in everything, when something big happens, you played a massive role. He says, "Well, thank you for that." But to me,

• 1:07:21Patrick Bet-David?

  when you're asking, "What's going on here?" I, I, I don't, I don't know. I don't know, I thi- I think there's a... I, I think this is a pattern. I don't think this is a accidental thing. I think it's a pattern. And, uh, thi- thi- thi- this, this reminds me of the 60s. This reminds me of the 60s. In the army, they say, "Watch your six." They say, you know, uh, uh, "Stay alert, stay alive," right? I think right now, it's a... By the way, in Florida, it just became a, a license to carry. Open carry. Open carry. Florida, just, by the way, two days ago. Yup.

• 1:07:55Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, I thought we had that.

• 1:07:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Two days ago. You literally can go to the restaurant, put your gun down and eat.

• 1:08:00Adam Sosnick?

  Is that what they have in Texas?

• 1:08:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it might be open carry. Open carry. It's a few states that have it. You can wear like a holster and everything. And by the way, Rob just said something earlier. Rob said, "If this, this would have happened in Florida, he would have already been killed." Death sentence, because he says Florida's leading, uh, all states with... How many did you say, Rob? 30 plus?

• 1:08:17Speaker 07

  Uh, it's, uh, they're gonna have 30 by the end of the year. They're somewhere around 20-ish right now. But they have more deaths have been, or more inmates have been executed on death row this year in Florida than any other state in history of United States of America.

• 1:08:31Adam Sosnick?

  Ron DeSantis for you. Well, the biggest difference here, you're talking about the 60s, you're talking about JFK specifically, is...

• 1:08:39Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a revolution, buddy. Something's going on in America. This is not a normal time we're living in. They, they tried to control us for, for COVID and, and, and they lost. But they lost on the, on the public scale. Everybody handles loss in a different way. There, uh, some people can handle a loss. You, when, when they lost, and, and Obama, I'll never forget this, when Obama got on stage, and he gave his speech, and he tried to lecture those young black men. Remember that one time?

• 1:09:07Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:08Patrick Bet-David?

  He said, "What are you doing?" And then Stephen A. and other people are like, "Dude, you don't talk to us like that. We think we're dumb." And then he lost. Then imagine the Democratic Party is saying, "Who is our savior today?"

• 1:09:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Who can go campaign for anybody and win? You mean to tell me Obama couldn't campaign for Kamala, a black woman, Californi— you couldn't help her win? Where are we now? Where do we go from here now? And then Obama has to sit there next to Trump? I think it was at Carter's funeral, if I'm not mistaken? And then they're laughing, they're talking to each other? Yeah, this was the moment? So Democrats, this has been— I said November 5th will go down as Barack Obama's worst day of his lifetime. November 5th of 2024 is the worst day of Barack Obama's life. So now what do you do? You lost. Democrats lost, the establishment lost. You think they're gonna play fair? I don't know.

• 1:10:03Speaker 06

  No, and you know why? They're absolutely not. They— hold on. We have just seen for the past 10 years, they're not gonna play fair and square, Pat, because for 10 years, Eric, they've been like Nazi fascist Hitler death, all this, all this. And now, when the smoke is cleared and the dust has settled, they're like, oh shit. We don't have any leader. Gavin Newsom? Jasmine Crockett? Because they have no voice. They have no message. So guess what? They use lawfare to go after their opponents. They wanted to destroy Trump, okay? They'll do the law fail, they'll try to cancel your ass, and then guess what? They try to shoot you. Let's not forget, this same playbook happened with Trump. Some white lone guy, no freaking social media, get shot. They shoot him because the real shooter missed.

• 1:10:47Speaker 06

  They clean up the scene. His apartment's cleaned up with the white gloves. It's like, it's the same gameplay. You nailed it. It's the same playbook because they have nothing. They are the party of violence. They are the party. Remember a couple of weeks ago, I said, "The whole party's evil." It's not evil. But if the devil came back and he had to pick a party, which party would he pick? Would he be a Republican? Or would he be a Democrat? I'm being dead serious. Where's he gonna go? Where's he gonna leave? "Oh, you guys are killing people? I'm going over here." "You guys are praying?" Because us, as Christians, we get mad. Pat, you know how furious I was with him in the back? My anger was going up like this, and then God, I went, "Okay, I'm understanding what's happening. I'm a Christian, I'm a God. Let me calm down." And even Pat was like, "We're gonna win." Okay? That's the difference. You keep saying fascist, you keep saying this shit.

• 1:11:32Speaker 06

  And then this guy, Pat, this ABC guy. You want to know how gone, how gone? And when I say you're not supposed to like mainstream media, Eric, did you see this guy? This guy, what's his name, Gutman? Yeah, Matt Gutman. Matt Gutman tried to take the situation of freaking violent assassination, and he tried to make it a love story. You can't make this up. Well, play this clip.

• 1:11:51Speaker 21

  We've seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it. But also, it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect.

• 1:12:05Speaker 06

  Touching!

• 1:12:06Speaker 21

  A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him "my love" and "I want to protect you, my love." So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner.

• 1:12:34Speaker 06

  You know what? Somebody should write, he should write the notebook, but call it "The Assassin", and make it a love story about murder and death. What a, what a tone deaf, what the hell is wrong with mainstream media? You don't, you don't dislike them enough.

• 1:12:48Adam Sosnick?

  So I, I know him. I know Matt Gutman.

• 1:12:51Speaker 06

  Great!

• 1:12:51Adam Sosnick?

  We, we used to be friends 20 years ago when, you know, Adrian, he worked for CNN. They worked together. He's been with ABC. He's a real journalist. This guy's been in war zones. He's not some fly-by-night woke liberal. However, he's been in the mainstream media, ABC, that world, for 20-plus years. How do you think these mainstream journalists feel about Trump? Because at the end of the day, this comes down to Trump. Trump has broken so many people's minds. You know, I watched The Daily Show. We've all heard of TV-

• 1:13:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you just say this guy's a, this guy's a fair guy?

• 1:13:25Adam Sosnick?

  No, I didn't say that. I said he's a real journalist.

• 1:13:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And a real journalist would read that and say, "That's a love story"? What, what real journalist? By the way, your friendship with him has nothing to do with my friendship with him. What real journalist repeats what he just said?

• 1:13:39Adam Sosnick?

  I, I'm, if you would let me get to my point. I'm not agreeing with him. I'm trying to give you some mindset to where he's at. I think it's disgusting what he said. What I'm saying is this, TDS, we've heard of TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome. It also stands for The Daily Show. I don't know how often you guys watch The Daily Show. These people are broken. They're broken. They're equivocating what's going on with Trump getting shot, with Charlie Kirk getting shot. And their only defense is, yeah, but those people in Minnesota.

• 1:14:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Adam Sosnick?

  That's all they have. So I'm not running cover for this guy whatsoever. I'm letting you know, when you've been, you talk about drain the swamp, Trump's been trying to drain the swamp. What kind of swamp do you think the mindset of the media is? Eric knows this better than anybody.

• 1:14:21Speaker 05

  I do. Honestly, Adam, I'm with Patrick on it. You called him a legitimate journalist. I mean,

• 1:14:28Adam Sosnick?

  You don't think he is?

• 1:14:28Speaker 05

  No, not anymore.

• 1:14:31Adam Sosnick?

  So after this one comment is no longer-

• 1:14:33Speaker 05

  After that comment-

• 1:14:34Adam Sosnick?

  Look at his accolades. Look at his career.

• 1:14:36Speaker 05

  After that comment, Adam, if you tell me he's completely unbiased about reporting what he sees, I'm gonna tell you full shit.

• 1:14:43Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not saying he's unbiased.

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  You said he's a pundit. He's not a real journalist.

• 1:14:47Adam Sosnick?

  He's a pundit. Okay, don't take my words for it. Look at his career. I don't know.

• 1:14:50Speaker 05

  Question, he has a storied career, but there's no chance when they go to him and say, what do you got? What do you got? He's a reporter in the field for 100 years.

• 1:14:59Adam Sosnick?

  I agree.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  So when they go to him and say, Matt, what do you see? Would you think what he says right after that is completely unbiased? Knowing what you know, that he just called-

• 1:15:08Adam Sosnick?

  Saying that he is biased. That's my whole point.

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  A love story between a murderer, assassin-

• 1:15:12Adam Sosnick?

  That he's been in the news media for 20 years. What I'm saying is he can't help but being biased. I'm not defending him.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  You are. You gave him, you donned him a respectable journalist.

• 1:15:22Adam Sosnick?

  Look at his damn credentials, Eric. What are you talking about?

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  It makes him-

• 1:15:25Adam Sosnick?

  Can we scroll down?

• 1:15:26Speaker 05

  It makes him a long time journalist.

• 1:15:28Adam Sosnick?

  This guy's been all over the world. He's covered how many different stories?

• 1:15:32Speaker 05

  And has he covered him fairly? I don't know.

• 1:15:34Adam Sosnick?

  That's my point. That's my point.

• 1:15:36Speaker 05

  A good journalist would, Adam, that's all I'm saying.

• 1:15:38Adam Sosnick?

  Show me a good journalist, Eric. Show me one.

• 1:15:40Speaker 05

  Laura Logan.

• 1:15:42Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, who's that?

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  You don't know who Laura Logan is?

• 1:15:44Adam Sosnick?

  No. Show me another good journalist.

• 1:15:46Speaker 05

  Why? They're out there. But anyways.

• 1:15:49Adam Sosnick?

  Show me names.

• 1:15:50Speaker 05

  But I'm not looking at one when I look at Matt Guttman though.

• 1:15:53Adam Sosnick?

  This is indicative of what a normal journalist would even think. It's a fact that I'm exposing how they all think.

• 1:16:01Speaker 05

  Let me say this to you though, just to-

• 1:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  How many people have called it a love affair?

• 1:16:08Speaker 06

  Not him.

• 1:16:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody. Only this guy.

• 1:16:10Speaker 06

  A, B, C.

• 1:16:11Patrick Bet-David?

  This is...

• 1:16:12Speaker 06

  I'm sure there's more.

• 1:16:13Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no. There may be more.

• 1:16:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, on Discord.

• 1:16:17Patrick Bet-David?

  On a guy like this to call it this, dude, you got a few screws missing to say something. What do you mean a love affair? It's just a great, loving relationship. Stop it. Did he, by the way, we're not journalists. Did he take that exchange and put it on ChatGPT to go? What did he put it through? What is he, his job is to go do more research than us? We're freaking just regular people talking. We're not no journalist. We're citizen journalists. What the fuck did he got talking about, right?

• 1:16:45Speaker 05

  He's a commentator.

• 1:16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a commentator. If you're a commentator, great, no problem. But you're not a guy that can call yourself a journalist if you just tell us that and say, "This is a great love story." By the way, while you're talking about this, watch what happens here. Again, where we're living at today, Luigi Mangione takes that thing. By the way, I want to get back to the Bill Ackman and Candace exchange as well. We're gonna get to that with the Netanyahu, but let's go to Luigi Mangione. This is Luigi Mangione. They announce Luigi Mangione, supporters of Luigi Mangione, outside of the Manhattan Court after the announcement was made. And the announcement was, Rob, if you can pull it up.

• 1:17:24Speaker 05

  No terror charges. They dropped the terror part of the charges.

• 1:17:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up the celebration and guys dressed as Luigi? I don't know if you have it or not, Rob. I think you got it somewhere.

• 1:17:35Speaker 07

  Right here, protesters outside of the courthouse yesterday.

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• 1:18:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you show the celebration when they announce it's not? Cause there is a celebration where they're jumping up and down. Can you look for that, Rob? There's a, you see guys jumping up, celebrating.

• 1:18:51Speaker 06

  They're congratulating each other, hugging, crying.

• 1:18:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. You know, it was, it was a very, uh, this is it, that's it, Rob.

• 1:18:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, we can't show that.

• 1:19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, is it the same as before?

• 1:19:01Speaker 07

  Copyright, yeah.

• 1:19:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it. Good call. Well, anyways, they're jumping up and down, they're celebrating, they're doing their part, what's going on? This is where you're living it. By the way, there was a kid on campus that was making fun of how Charlie Kirk died. Who ended up getting kicked out of school. Do you have that one, Rob?

• 1:19:19Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:19:20Patrick Bet-David?

  There was a kid, did you see this one, Vinny?

• 1:19:21Speaker 07

  I haven't.

• 1:19:22Patrick Bet-David?

  He's just celebrating. He's like, hey, this is how he died, this is how he died, this is how he died. He's making fun of it. They dropped this scholarship, everything that they kicked the kid, I don't know if he had scholarship, but they kicked him out. And this is the kid right there. Watch this. This, this isn't schools.

• 1:19:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back a little bit to...

• 1:19:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're laughing.

• 1:19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  There it goes. By the way, that's your resume.

• 1:19:58Speaker 06

  You're on camera. Good job, buddy, forever. Forever, look, look, look, forever. Forever. You'll be a Democrat congressman.

• 1:20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, look, look.

• 1:20:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, there goes your, there goes, this will never go away, you freaking moron. What a moron.

• 1:20:15Speaker 06

  What school? Do we know where?

• 1:20:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you zoom into it?

• 1:20:17Speaker 07

  The Texas?

• 1:20:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you ask what school it is?

• 1:20:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, Texas State student.

• 1:20:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Texas State student, disrupts the vigil, reenacting like that. Let me tell you, man. I, I, you do that around Armenians.

• 1:20:30Speaker 07

  They're done.

• 1:20:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I, Rogan said something one time about Armenians. You ever heard Rogan say stuff about Armenians?

• 1:20:36Speaker 22

  No.

• 1:20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you type in Rogan on Armenians? You know, by the way, we had the most Armenians ever at the Vault Conference. We had a series, but Armenians was,

• 1:20:46Speaker 22

  Oh wow, crazy.

• 1:20:47Patrick Bet-David?

  They were everywhere.

• 1:20:48Speaker 22

  Crazy.

• 1:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You say, ah, man, um, I'm just watching, you had right there, Joe Rogan on Armenians.

• 1:20:56Speaker 22

  Why? What would an Armenian do to him?

• 1:20:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, you can't do that in front of them.

• 1:20:59Adam Sosnick?

  No, it's Middle Easterns and you can't.

• 1:21:00Speaker 22

  Tell me why.

• 1:21:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Let him explain it to you. Here's Joe Rogan. Go ahead.

• 1:21:03Speaker 22

  We can identify each other so easily by what we look like or where we're from. It's so easy. So, so many people are like so proud of being from a certain part of the world. And in some place, I think, in some ways, I think it's kind of cool, like Armenians.

• 1:21:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:17Speaker 22

  Talk some shit about Armenia in front of Armenians. They'll smack the fuck out of you. They don't play, man.

• 1:21:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Nah.

• 1:21:23Speaker 22

  They're fucking loyal to that. And they don't even live there anymore, man. That's like being someone who's really into being American and living in South America. You know, if you talk shit, if you talk to shit to an expat, like that lives in South America, you know, if you're like, man, America is shit. America's fuck.

• 1:21:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I see stuff like that and I'm like,

• 1:21:44Patrick Bet-David?

  and, and, and thank God there's no Armenians at that Texas State University. There's, there's not. It's a, it, it, dude, I went to Glendale Community College. Say something about Armenians. Say something about them. This is, this is very, behaving like that makes you think it's okay to behave like that. People allow you to behave like that. In the army, we had a crew, you know, if, if me and you make fun of each other, we make fun of each other. But if all of a sudden an outsider comes out of nowhere and makes fun of you. I'm sorry, who gave you permission to talk to him like that?

• 1:22:14Speaker 22

  Yeah.

• 1:22:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I just saw you guys talking shit to each other. That doesn't mean you have the permission. But anyways, I, I, I can't, you know, it tells you what we're living in right now. And that's why what Eric, you said earlier, the fact that he had the ears of the youth, which is the one that they feared the most. The age, forty-six, forty-two, thirty-nine, MLK, John F. Kennedy, RFK, Charlie Kirk, thirty-one years old. They fear when you have influence over them. Cause that's decades of lost control.

• 1:22:42Speaker 22

  Yep.

• 1:22:43Patrick Bet-David?

  That's decades of lost control. So, let me get to the next story here. So, Candace Owens. And Bill Ackman. Candace Owens comes out, Rob, if you want to play this clip. Candace Owens comes out with allegations against Bill Ackman and Seth Dillon in an explosive video. Is this the one, Rob?

• 1:23:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, so this is the first part where she talks about Bill Ackman inviting Charlie Kirk to the Hamptons.

• 1:23:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it, go for it.

• 1:23:09Speaker 23

  In the Hamptons, and he had more than one event, but he had essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Ackman. Because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no. This is, this is not the route that you should be going on. And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, quote-unquote friends. Bill Ackman was very upset. And threats were made. That is what I am, I am told, and I will tell you that I am very happy for Bill Ackman to dispute this narrative.

• 1:23:54Speaker 23

  In fact, he was asked to dispute this narrative. Max Blumenthal went out to him today, and Bill Ackman came back and said, "I have receipts I can show you," and he did not provide the receipts. This is not how it went down. I know it went down this way. I'm waiting for one of them to go on record and to say that it didn't go down this way. It was at this time that Bibi Netanyahu was called and Charlie was invited to Israel. This was an under duress situation, I would say.

• 1:24:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's that part. Now, Bill Ackman replies back, okay? If you go to Bill's tweet, Rob, Bill Ackman, 10 billion dollar guy, he writes a long tweet.

• 1:24:38Speaker 07

  Oh my God.

• 1:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna be tough to read it this way, because you can just go to a tweet, because it's a long tweet. I'll give you the gist of it, what he says. He says he talked to Charlie, he, Charlie said, "I can get some Charlie Kirk Jr.'s out, about 100 million followers, influencers. Let's, you know, no problem, let's have a meeting." So they come down, they have the meeting, and he's just showing all the text messages back and forth, but there's a long message, Rob, that there's there. And then eventually, they come to the Hamptons. "I'm willing to address any questions, anything that people want to talk about."

• 1:25:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And then while they're there, uh, I actually want to read this, Rob, if you can find it.

• 1:25:18Speaker 06

  It might be one of the longest I've ever, I read the whole thing.

• 1:25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But Bill always posts long tweets. Bill doesn't post, uh, uh, Rob, just go to his account and keep going down, buddy. If you just, you were almost there. Yeah, just keep going down and we'll get to, keep going down. This is two days ago, so you gotta keep going. Keep going faster, faster, faster, because you're at 24 hours, 19 hours. So Bill Ackman, $10 billion, response.

• 1:25:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Right there. Okay, thank you. This afternoon, Candace Schumer is staging an intervention with Charlie Kirk. Threats were made with respect to his opposed evolving stance on Israel at an event I hosted at Hampton's. Candace also intimidated that I blackmailed, intimated that I blackmailed Charlie. On the show, Candace said that she would be very happy for me to dispute this narrative. While it pains me to drive more traffic to her program, I'm responding, uh, I'm responding here to clear my name. It saddens me that we're here. For the record, at no time have I ever threatened Charlie Kirk. Turning point, you are anyone associated with them. I've never blackmailed anyone, let alone Charlie Kirk. I've never offered Charlie or Turning Point any money in an attempt to influence Charlie's opinion on, on anything.

• 1:26:22Patrick Bet-David?

  In fact, my interactions with Charlie have been extremely cordial, albeit limited, regretfully so, as I was very impressed by him and his work, and I will sadly never see him again. In an effort to clear the record, I should have followed. I followed Charlie Kirk on X for some time and greatly admired him. While I didn't agree with him on every issue, I had enormous respect for his intelligence, knowledge, clips. I connected with Charlie when he DM'd me in late May of this year and expressed interest in meeting me. In light of our prospective, uh, schedules, we were unable to find a time to meet in person, so we scheduled a Zoom on June 11. On the Zoom, he explained to me that conservatives in particular, young conservatives, were getting tired of defending Israel, and this was a very concerning to him. I asked him how I could learn more. And he suggested that it might be useful to convene a group of young conservatives, influencers,

• 1:27:06Patrick Bet-David?

  on a host of topics that could include Israel to a better sense of how conservative community was thinking about Israel. On Zoom, Charlie said that this, uh, has, uh, his open mic conversations on campus were very effective in addressing issues on the minds of the students, but he was only one person with limited bandwidth. He suggested that recruiting a group of junior Charlie Kirks. We could open mic sessions on college campuses, boom. I expressed interest in learning more and thereafter scheduled a series of conference calls with Charlie, Turning Point USA staff and members of the team, in addition to getting better sense of what were young conservatives going through. Charlie thought doing so might enable him to identify potential candidates who could launch their own campus tours and carry forth his approach to dialogue.

• 1:27:50Patrick Bet-David?

  We chose the afternoon of August 4th to the afternoon of August 5th for the convening. Charlie and members of my team worked to put together an invitation list. I offered to host the sessions in Bridgehampton and cover the calls so that I could attend some of the sessions, so I was working from there at the time. Charlie sent out the invitations and about 35 influencers accepted it. Charlie estimated that the influencers who attended were relatively 100 million followers. Charlie and Turning Point USA put together the agenda for the meeting and the topics were economic future of America, the cultural landscape of dating and marriage, conservative eastern Mambani, the new threat to America. Charlie asked me to moderate economic topics thereafter. I hosted Q and A sessions. The convergence of East and West included a discussion of immigration, values, systems, the pro-US approach in foreign policy in Israel.

• 1:28:34Patrick Bet-David?

  While I had wanted to attend the convergence panel, I had a board meeting that conflicted this. Those that attended the session said that the Israel discussion was similar to other sessions that they attended, explaining various points. Some participants were critical of Israel and some were supportive. The sessions were punctuated by meals. I attended one group lunch and a group dinner where I sat with Charlie and others. I found the sessions I attended interesting and I really enjoyed the meeting. It gave me considerable perspective on what is on my mind of young Americans, what is on the mind of young Americans. At the end of the event, I sat with Charlie and members of my team and we discussed the events convening. Charlie believed that he had identified a number of potential Turning Point ambassadors who could launch open mic events on campus. We corresponded by text thereafter over a few weeks on a range of topics, but not including Israel, and the next thing I knew, he was gone.

• 1:29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  In short, this was not an intervention to blackmail Charlie Kirk into adopting certain views on Israel. It was nothing of the sort. Eric, your thoughts on this?

• 1:29:31Speaker 05

  Look, Ackman, first person. Candace, I heard from someone. I'm gonna go with Ackman. It seems like a very detailed description of what happened, a very likely description. I mean, what Ackman pointed out there was why Charlie was so important. A billionaire, a multi-billionaire who has an issue with the growing antisemitism on college campuses. He knew where to go. You go to Turning Point because they have the access to the young minds on campuses, not what they're getting from the liberal professors. So Ackman goes to Charlie. Ackman saw the benefit, the value in Turning Point and Charlie's reach. Everything that Ackman points out, sounds like something that a wealthy person with an agenda

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  would do when trying to access Charlie's reach. Let's have a meeting. Let's talk about how we do this. Charlie says, "Well, maybe not me, but maybe we can get a handful of influencers with a big following, and we can do it that way, thereby not necessarily joining forces, TPUSA politically with Ackman, but doing as an assist, so to speak, a mailing or whatever." It kind of puts a little bit of a prophylactic barrier between Charlie Kirk and TPUSA, and whatever Ackman is choosing to do. But Charlie, to his credit, listened and heard what Ackman was pushing. I don't hear anything that's a threat. I'd never heard of Ackman threatening Charlie Kirk before Candace came up with it. So, not really sure where it came from.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  We should probably hear the actual first-person response.

• 1:31:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, thoughts?

• 1:31:03Speaker 06

  Towards the end of Charlie's career, his life, God rest his soul, was he getting a little bit more critical on Bibi and the actions of what he was doing? Yes. Was he on Megyn Kelly and had a long, he was pissed. Because he's like, "People are calling me anti-Semite. I'm one of the biggest Israel supporters." He was not happy, yes. Did this meeting happen in the Hamptons with Charlie? Yes. But what the people on our side that are saying Israel was behind it, "Please," and you guys all know I'm critical as hell of some of the actions that Israel does, "break it down to me what happened." Are they saying that Israel, this is where it gets freaking insane.

• 1:31:45Speaker 06

  Israel went to Tyler and had him shoot and kill Charlie. Have the boy like, give me the, the, the scenario where Israel did it. Give me the, give me your opinion, lay it all out. Just give me some facts because now it's getting to the point where it's like, Israel. It's like you're losing the argument in that sense because give it to me. Cause can we just be honest? What, the people that are saying that Israel pissed off, BB was mad and all that stuff. So how did they do it? Explain to me, how, how did they convince a 22 year old white boy? Who's dating a freaking furry to go on a roof and shoot this guy? What? Because they're like, yeah, we'll take care of your family. Give me an explanation.

• 1:32:30Speaker 06

  Does anybody have, I'm being that serious. I don't, I don't know how, what, what'd you do? Brainwash him to go, yeah, I'll, I'll go kill this guy. I'm completely lost in that sense. Because if that's what you're saying, if you're saying, hey, he was really pissed at the end. BB and them were mad, so they had him killed. Give me the, show me the plan, lay it out, because I'm all ears.

• 1:32:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, here's what Dave Smith had to say. I think Adam, you send this clip in the group. Rob, if you want to play this clip on what Dave had to say.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  But I see him out there and like, and I've seen a bunch of other people doing this. But it's just like, if you want to go look through it, I mean, it's just crazy. But like, he just, he had this post about how Israel did this. Israel just murdered Charlie Kirk.

• 1:33:09Adam Sosnick?

  Carol, I believe.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  And you know me, I'm, I don't know.

• 1:33:12Adam Sosnick?

  Co-hosts, Candace's show sometimes.

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  Biggest fan of Israel, but I literally just replied and I went, what evidence?

• 1:33:19Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  That Israel was involved.

• 1:33:20Speaker 06

  Exactly, show it to me.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  And I mean, man, if you want to be disturbed, like go look through the replies to that. It is unbelievable how people put together theory, you know, they're like, what evidence do you have? By the way, the answer is none. We have absolutely no evidence. There is absolutely no reason to even suspect that is the case, let alone to, to determine that it's a fact. And all the things people are posing, it's just like, guys, Jesus Christ, man, I'm sorry. I just don't go for sloppy, kooky theories. Like if you got. Some evidence, bring it to me and I'll be the first one to

• 1:33:53Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  Look into it, but

• 1:33:54Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  Uh, then people going like, he was waking up to Israel like dude, he said, release the Epstein files. And he, you know, he once on an interview said like, you know, the pro-Israel people are getting a little too crazy when they're accusing even me of being anti-Israel, but that's about it. And, and like, you know, to his credit, he defended like having me at the thing and having Tucker and, and Meghan there and stuff. But like, you've just got no real theory here and it just makes no sense at all. Like they telling me the government of Israel took out their number one guy who still had influence amongst young people. I just, I don't know. I don't know. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

• 1:34:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, while this is going on, but Dave Smith.

• 1:34:38Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Sounds very reasonable on what he's saying, right? Again, reason versus emotion, but uh, if you, if you look at this one, you're, this is AF post. They said, uh, according to multiple reports, Israel prime minister offered the Charlie Kirk turning point USA 150 million dollars in cash to adopt an even more, uh, pro-Israel stance. Kirk refused the money. If you go a little bit lower, look at the amount of views this thing got 7.2 million views, 160,000 likes.

• 1:35:03Adam Sosnick?

  Who's the AF post?

• 1:35:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Another post, Rob, if you can pull up the other one that says, right below it, that says, uh, uh, uh, the journalist behind the report accusing Bibi of offering 150 million dollars is Max Blumenthal, a man who used to work for the Iran-backed newspaper Al Akbar in Beirut and contributed to Al Jazeera. Why is it every time we track down a lie, we end up finding people connected to Qatar or Iran behind it? So this is why you're hearing both sides of the story. Adam, what do you want to say about the story?

• 1:35:35Adam Sosnick?

  Well, look, when Dave Smith is calling you out for being anti-Israel, you probably have a problem Candace, Ian Carroll. Cause that, that Dave, who we've known for a while, has made his name over the last year criticizing Israel. In fact, at Turning Point USA, when Charlie was hosting the debate between Dave Smith and the other gentleman, he asked him point blank, is Israel an ally of the United States? Steve Smith said, no. So that's where Dave Smith is, who happens to be Jewish. But, uh, here's a couple of different thoughts here. Candace is a shock jock and she is such a good one, man. She is such a good one. So were, were Candace and Charlie friends? Yeah, they were. I challenge anybody, please help me out here.

• 1:36:19Adam Sosnick?

  Show me one picture, one podcast, one evidence that they've even been in the same room in the last two years. The last thing I found, the last time they did anything was on October 3rd, 2023. Ironically, a couple of days before October 7th. Show me any evidence that they've been in touch, they've been in dialogue, they've done anything together. I would love to see it. So, they were friends. I don't think they are friends. I think that Candace is capitalizing on Charlie's death. I think she feels horrible, she doesn't feel good about this. But Candace is an opportunist. And if we know anything about Candace, uh, over the last couple of years, has she been biased, non-biased towards Israel?

• 1:37:03Adam Sosnick?

  In my mind, she's been blind with rage. So, you know, there's people that you cut out of your life. Yeah, we're not, like, how many people that you used to drink with, you're like, Dad, I can't hang out with you anymore.

• 1:37:14Speaker 06

  The majority of the people, because that's all we had, that's all we had in common was drinking.

• 1:37:18Adam Sosnick?

  But you still had friends.

• 1:37:19Speaker 06

  Of course, I still have friends.

• 1:37:20Adam Sosnick?

  We kept Adam though.

• 1:37:21Speaker 06

  But, I did.

• 1:37:22Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you. But you kept, thank you for that, Pat. You, um, you, you still love them, you still care about them.

• 1:37:28Speaker 06

  1,000%.

• 1:37:29Adam Sosnick?

  You just don't hang out with them at all.

• 1:37:30Speaker 06

  Which is not nothing in common right now.

• 1:37:31Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo. That's Candace and Charlie.

• 1:37:33Speaker 05

  Well, that was early though, right?

• 1:37:35Adam Sosnick?

  They have.

• 1:37:35Speaker 05

  Right, so they were, they built, they started.

• 1:37:38Adam Sosnick?

  10 years ago, 5 years ago.

• 1:37:39Speaker 05

  They were a team, they were a force.

• 1:37:41Adam Sosnick?

  Show me evidence that they're still friends. Hold on, Eric, hold on. Um, if you want evidence, actual receipts, actual, not opinions, not I feel, actual receipts, well, uh, Bill Ackman brought receipts, but what about Andrew Colvin? Andrew Colvin, who we all know, is the executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. Look at his post on X. To sum that up, he basically said, yeah, Candace is lying. He basically said, Bill Ackman are... When did he say that? Look at his tweets right now. They said, uh, Bill and Charlie were cordial, they're friendly, there was no conflict. We were in the room the entire time.

• 1:38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Did he say that?

• 1:38:22Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, straight up. Fact-checked me on this. So, a- a- at some point, we're gonna have to acknowledge something about Candace. There we go. Here we go.

• 1:38:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you read this? I've been asked by Bill Ackman one more time, I'm not surprised, I was traveling with Charlie Kirk to find out what's the truth, but his team was with him 100% of the time when he wasn't in hotel room. Here's what they told me. Bill never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on Bibi, never gave him a list of Charlie's offenses against Israel. There was concern raised about having Tucker at, uh, SAS, what is that? SAS? Student Action Summit. And Charlie's reply was, honestly, people telling me not to have Tucker makes me want to have Tucker, and I'm going to lock him in for Amfest 2. Charlie personally told me he had a very cordial relationship with Bill, and the event was productive. Those are the facts.

• 1:39:08Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so that's subtly saying Candace, you have no idea what you're talking about. Can we agree upon that? So, uh, at what point are we gonna say, well, maybe Candace just is completely unbiased here? So there's justified criticism of Israel? Sure.

• 1:39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Biased or unbiased? Biased. You meant to say biased.

• 1:39:28Adam Sosnick?

  You're saying she's biased towards Israel. Or against Israel.

• 1:39:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:39:32Adam Sosnick?

  Is that fair to say?

• 1:39:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You're being biased.

• 1:39:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yes. Okay, so there's justified criticism, there's unjustified criticism, there's lies and deception, and then there's just outright hate. I would ask you, what category is Candace in regarding Israel? I don't know if she outright hates Israel, outright hates Jews, I don't, I'm not there, but is her criticism completely justified? Is it completely unbiased? Or is she using lies and deception here? Last point here, you offered Tucker $100 million to join Valuetainment, true or false?

• 1:40:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:40:07Adam Sosnick?

  Did you, did you post it on Twitter at the time?

• 1:40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  We posted, we went to his place, we sent the guy to his place to make the offer.

• 1:40:13Adam Sosnick?

  So there was a formal offer and a formal contract?

• 1:40:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Documented.

• 1:40:16Adam Sosnick?

  If someone's gonna offer Charlie Kirk $150 million. Don't you think there's gonna be a public statement, a contract, a tweet? Is it just, yo buddy, you want 150 million? Come on our team. To me, it's nonsensical unless you show receipts. Candace, to her credit, showed a lot of receipts with Macron's wife's penis, whatever that is. She did an entire documentary. In my opinion, she took a year out of her life, and I'm not joking, to find his penis. I don't know where that is right now, but at what point is Candace gonna say, you know what? I actually don't have any receipts whatsoever.

• 1:40:56Adam Sosnick?

  I'm just stoking the flame and making a name for myself with my former friend's death. Cause I see zero evidence that they're even still friends. And now you have the executive producer of Charlie Kirk's podcast, Andrew Colbert, basically saying, yeah, Candace is not telling the truth, point blank.

• 1:41:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Eric, you were gonna say something.

• 1:41:16Speaker 05

  Well, I was just gonna say, I was gonna agree with you, Adam, that early on, 2011, 2012, 2013, they were tight, they grew TPUSA like crazy. I was shocked to see her leave until I, being part of TPUSA, her theories got a little, just a little bit too down the rabbit holes. It was just, it was too extreme for their taste. And Charlie, to his credit, kept a friend, a cordial friendship for her, with her for years. But it hasn't been a communication pipeline back and forth between the two for many years. That's why I don't know why we had, we give Candace Owens's assessment any weight at all.

• 1:41:53Adam Sosnick?

  Because, because we're reasonable. There's a lot of people, I think, she did a tweet, there's 10 million people, 10 million views, who trust Candace. At what point are we gonna say Candace gives opinions? Is the FBI, is the CIA, is anyone in the intelligence saying?

• 1:42:11Adam Sosnick?

  We have credible evidence to find that Israel is at play here. Zero. This is Candace spouting on the internet. And at one point are people gonna be like, we just can't trust what she's saying. Last thing about Candace, and I, look, every time I've hung out with Candace, I've enjoyed my time with Candace. I think she's cool. I think she's fun. I think she's gone down a deep, dark rabbit hole the last couple of years. That's my opinion. Her entire career, you can almost assess that it's Jews or very pro-Israel people that have put her on. And she slapped them all in the face. Dennis Prager, Dave Rubin, Charlie Kirk to an extent, Ben Shapiro on Daily Wire, they all gave her a platform. And then she just spits in all their face.

• 1:42:56Adam Sosnick?

  And now none of them want anything to do with them. It's very reminiscent in a weird way of the US-China relation. Who, who opened up the, the China's role in the world? The, and the World Trade Organization? Wasn't it Richard Nixon? Didn't we, didn't Bill Clinton open up a trade organization with China? And now China is our biggest competitor? And they basically spew anti-American rhetoric and try to tear down American hegemony around the world? At some point, you would say this, we've said this in the podcast, have a little respect for where America's done for you. But now China has no respect for America. They want to tear down America. That is very symbolic of what Candace is doing to Israel and Jewish community.

• 1:43:38Speaker 06

  Vinny. I mean, I'm happy that you said it, and I think we said this once before. She doesn't hate Jewish people. She, she clearly doesn't like Bibi Netanyahu and what Israel does government-wise. I wouldn't ever put a blanket over it, but, and I'm, you know, you guys know me. But in this situation, we have the guy, we have the suspect. We have his boyfriend. We have text messages. We have a video jumping off the roof. We have, there's evidence, there's DNA, there's everything. So is the FBI lying to us? Like, there has to be, there has to be a line. And I, and I thank you for, for the podcast because I was. My brain was going here, but you have to be able to come here and go, okay, this is happening here. This is how my feelings are right here. They have the guy.

• 1:44:23Speaker 06

  So unless people are saying, because let's strip it all down. If Israel's behind it, how did they do it? Show me, please. Give me the proof and I'll go, oh my God.

• 1:44:33Adam Sosnick?

  You don't, Vinny, Vinny.

• 1:44:34Speaker 06

  No, I want proof.

• 1:44:35Adam Sosnick?

  You're being way too logical.

• 1:44:36Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 1:44:37Adam Sosnick?

  You don't need proof.

• 1:44:38Speaker 06

  No, I have to have proof.

• 1:44:38Adam Sosnick?

  Just speculate on the internet.

• 1:44:39Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 1:44:40Adam Sosnick?

  And throw out a bomb out there.

• 1:44:41Speaker 06

  Like for instance, the 150 million, I want to see, show me.

• 1:44:44Adam Sosnick?

  But the point is, the point is there's none.

• 1:44:46Speaker 06

  I don't, well, that's why, that's, that's why I have a hard time. That's why I have a hard time.

• 1:44:50Adam Sosnick?

  At some point, her credibility, I mean, is going to go down the tubes because she needs to bring receipts. Bill Ackman brought receipts. How long was that tweet?

• 1:44:58Speaker 06

  It's still going, I think.

• 1:45:00Adam Sosnick?

  He was there in the room. Andrew Colbert was there in the room. You're on the board of Turning Point?

• 1:45:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:45:06Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, when's the last time you saw Candace Owens?

• 1:45:10Speaker 05

  In person?

• 1:45:10Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:11Speaker 05

  2015, 2016.

• 1:45:13Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:45:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:45:14Adam Sosnick?

  When's the last time she was at a Turning Point event?

• 1:45:16Speaker 05

  Not in many years.

• 1:45:18Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:45:18Speaker 05

  But here, you don't even have to do this, Adam.

• 1:45:20Adam Sosnick?

  Is Candace even involved in Julie Kirk's life at all?

• 1:45:25Speaker 05

  No question, proof that Candace Owens is nothing, has nothing to do. She would be, in a perfect world, if, if they didn't have this, what I already know, was a, was a very quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him. She would be the logical heir to the TPUSA throne, but she's not.

• 1:45:46Adam Sosnick?

  And now she's not even invited.

• 1:45:47Speaker 05

  Correct, so this is, this is, their divide is.

• 1:45:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute, not invited meaning?

• 1:45:51Adam Sosnick?

  She's not even there.

• 1:45:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's not, she's not one of the names that I.

• 1:45:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think she'll be at the funeral?

• 1:45:56Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 1:45:57Adam Sosnick?

  That's not at the funeral.

• 1:45:58Speaker 05

  The heir to the TPUSA throne.

• 1:45:59Adam Sosnick?

  She doesn't speak at the events anymore.

• 1:46:01Speaker 05

  I mean, you, Erica.

• 1:46:02Adam Sosnick?

  That's a reason for that.

• 1:46:03Speaker 05

  I mean.

• 1:46:04Adam Sosnick?

  What is Erica Kirk's relationship with Candace at this point? Is there a relationship?

• 1:46:08Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 1:46:09Adam Sosnick?

  Why, why do you think, why do you not think so?

• 1:46:11Speaker 05

  Because I, because I live in this world, I live in this.

• 1:46:14Adam Sosnick?

  You know this world, tell us.

• 1:46:16Speaker 05

  I, I don't see them together. I don't think, I think Candace has created a lane for herself, that's, it's, it's her own lane. She wants to go after Macron's husband or wife, or whatever you want to call him. She wants, I, I just, I agree that, I think it's cheap that she is sparking this up like she knows something between, you know, something happened between Ackman and Charlie. For what reason?

• 1:46:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what I would say, to me, to me. To me, I think, uh, when I, when I look at, um. I look at talent, I look at reason, then I look at if it's improving the situation in America or making it worse. Talent. You have dinner with Candace, you're with her, capable, great communicator. You put the camera on, she shines. Cameras on, she shines very well. And we've had her on with us at the Derby, we've spent time with her, she's been to our house many, multiple times. We've had dinner, super capable person that we're, we've had these conversations together with. Spent time with her husband, smart guy, good guy, that very good story together.

• 1:47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You go to the other side on positions taking, okay? When you take the positions that you've taken on what you're saying. All right, um, is it for business purposes? It's obviously working. Our livestream was massive yesterday, bigger than anybody else's that took place. We had a livestream that we did on election night. We hit 282, 283, I don't know what the number was. Google told us it was the biggest in, no, no, concurrent. She hit 266 yesterday by herself. Listen, the numbers are the numbers. But it doesn't mean it's the right message.

• 1:48:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Hit 'em up, a rap song blew up. Does it mean it's a good song for everybody? Who listened to it? I, I, I'm, I'm trying to really see if you, if you wanna get eyeballs, go write a song called "F the Police." Oh my God, look at the song, look how great it did. Okay? Yeah. Are you solving for eyeballs? Are you solving to be a synergist to bring America to get out of time like this? I don't know. And by the way, I'd love to see the profile of people that are watching all of it. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I do know she was, you know, she has a, her, you, you don't need to read between the lines to see how many times she takes shots at Ben Shapiro. I get it, I see it.

• 1:48:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you guys had a falling out at where you were at. And it brings me to the last thing, which is by far the most important thing. You know what the most important thing to me is? It's the following. How does Erica feel about it? I don't know. By the way, if Candace and Erica are speaking every day and she's saying, "Oh, thank you so much Candace for doing it, please keep talking about it," then awesome. I'm with it, keep doing it.

• 1:49:13Patrick Bet-David?

  But if Erica is sitting there saying, dude, can you just stop for one week and make this about my husband's funeral that's coming up this Sunday? Just take a one-week break. If Erica is supportive of everything Candace is doing, guess what? Awesome. Respect. And I don't know that. Maybe Erica and Candace are best of friends. By the way, full, uh, uh, uh, what's the word? Full disclosure. Full disclosure. I've never had a text, phone call with Erica before. Only time I've said hi to Erica is when Charlie was there. And we've never spoken. So I've never had a conversation with her.

• 1:49:55Patrick Bet-David?

  She's always been very respectful, very sweet, and obviously, her number-one priority is God and her husband, every single time. So if Candace and Erica are speaking, and Candace is saying, Erica's saying, Candace, thank you so much for defending my husband. Thank you so much for doing this. You're so amazing. Candace, double down.

• 1:50:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But I, I don't know. If, if, if, if this was me, and you're jumping on the numbers and all this stuff while this is taking place, and my wife is like, Vinny, can you not make this about you?

• 1:50:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, can you, like, stop? Can I have this moment with my husband? Can we not already start with all this stuff? Can we? Can we just, like, pump the brakes a little bit? This is too much. You're not making my life any better right now. I'm trying to put an event together with 65,000 people in a place, and everybody who's coming in, their biggest fear is what? How is this place protected? How? Trump's gonna be there, J.D. Vance is gonna be there, Junior's gonna be speaking, Tucker's gonna be speaking, Miller's gonna be speaking, Hexet's gonna be speaking, RFK's gonna be speaking, Tulsi's gonna be speaking, his wife's gonna be speaking.

• 1:51:07Patrick Bet-David?

  She's trying to overcome that, while trying to continue getting the organization going and all the rumors. Who's gonna run it? Who's gonna replace Charlie? Who's gonna do this? Do you know how much pressure is on her and her team? So to me, take all the talent and the relationship out.

• 1:51:26Patrick Bet-David?

  What it comes down to is Candace, if this is improving,

• 1:51:32Patrick Bet-David?

  the current emotional state Erica's at, keep at it. If it's not, take a few days off and start next Tuesday or Monday. Just let it be about Charlie.

• 1:51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's not put it on anybody else right now that they're

• 1:51:54Patrick Bet-David?

  increasing the temperature. And I understand, you know, the one thing with Candace, Candace is gonna do what Candace is gonna do. You know, she's not the one that's gonna be, you know, it's Candace. Candace is gonna do what Candace is gonna do. And that's, that's the double edged sword. But that is the way I process this issue here. You know, I process it purely from the lens of Erica and the family. Simple. That's how I process this. Eric, I think you wanted to say something.

• 1:52:19Speaker 05

  Well, a couple of thoughts in there. You were

• 1:52:24Speaker 05

  earlier talking about, let's give it a rest, let's not capitalize on it. You have this mug here that says, words talk, numbers scream, her numbers are screaming. It's probably overruling her better judgment to wait a little while. There's a there's a great movie, Denzel Washington movie, Spike Lee movie out right now. It's on streaming on, I think, Apple TV. It's called Highest to Lowest. And one of the subplots is ASAP Rocky is a rapper, young rapper. And he gets caught doing some really bad stuff. And the final scene is Denzel Washington who finally gets him to, he catches him doing bad stuff. And his point was this rapper is like, I'm gonna let you, Denzel Washington, sign me, Denzel Washington is a music executive, let you sign me.

• 1:53:09Speaker 05

  And Denzel Washington, he's in jail. He's, why am I gonna do this? You're gonna be huge because you're gonna sign the biggest rapper in the history. Yeah, but you're gonna be gone for 25 years. Yeah, but you know how big I'm gonna be from prison? That's the mentality. The mentality right now is let's get clicks, let's get followers, let's get you know, social media, digital footprints, bigger reach. I don't matter. And it's kind of a metaphor for what's going on with, with people. I will also note that you said this Trump's gonna talk, JD, etc, Jr. There's another speaker here, and this may be a little controversial, but Suzanne Scott is one of the speakers. She's listed on that list, Sergio Gore and then Suzanne.

• 1:53:46Adam Sosnick?

  She runs Fox, yeah.

• 1:53:47Speaker 05

  She runs Fox News. Charlie was banned from Fox News for a long time. He was not allowed on that network for several years now.

• 1:53:55Adam Sosnick?

  Why is that?

• 1:53:56Speaker 05

  And they felt he was too extreme. They just, if you look.

• 1:54:00Adam Sosnick?

  They felt that Charlie was?

• 1:54:02Speaker 05

  Well, that is the common wisdom. I spent 11 years at Fox and I will tell you, early on when Trump was first elected in 2016, Charlie Kirk was one of the young guys who helped Trump the first time. He started to grow and then he was not on Fox for probably five to six years. And people were just, the speculation was Murdoch's aren't very, never have been very pro-MAGA. They just haven't. But, so it's almost a little hypocritical that Suzanne's gonna be one of the people speaking because they kept him off Fox for many years, up until recently when they brought him back on. I do notice Charlie had a big ad campaign on Fox.

• 1:54:41Speaker 05

  You see him on some of the breaks, it may still be running. So he started to spend a lot of money at Fox and then they brought him in to fill in on one of the weekend shows, Fox and Friends.

• 1:54:51Adam Sosnick?

  That's right.

• 1:54:51Speaker 05

  Where the little girl comes running to him.

• 1:54:53Adam Sosnick?

  That's right, that's right.

• 1:54:54Speaker 05

  So they made amends. But they made amends, I suppose, recent, Adam. It was within the last six months. Look back before that, it was years where he didn't appear on Fox. Not Hannity, not Laura Ingraham, nowhere. I just find all of a sudden he's welcoming, you know, wall-to-wall coverage for the past week on Fox of Charlie and it's like, you gotta do it, I guess, but here's another example of

• 1:55:17Speaker 05

  not staying true to what you have been. They didn't even acknowledge that either.

• 1:55:22Adam Sosnick?

  Let me affirm what I think Pat was saying is that Erica, you always say, who's the last person in your ear? Who's the last person you speak to? Well, if you're married, it's usually your wife. Nobody knows you more than your wife or your spouse, your significant other. That's what I think you're saying with Erica respectfully. So yes. What we also know is that we have something that you talk about being a part of the inner circle. So who was Charlie's inner circle? Well, one of them was definitely Andrew, right? He was executive producer. So I think he has. Beyond the wife, the next most credibility here. So I, he just basically said that Candace was lying in so many words. Number two, is Candace speaking? If they were such good friends, why isn't she speaking? I don't know. I don't know if she's gonna be there.

• 1:56:07Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know. But there's nothing indicating that they're still friends. And I think Pat is absolutely right. By the way, who, they're doing sort of like this, you know, group effort to host the Charlie Kirk Show. Did they pick Candace to host the show yesterday? No, but they picked the Daily Wire crew. They picked Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh and, and the gang. Michael Knowles, they, I mean, this, the, the proof is right in front of our face. So I don't know, there's, there's right there. They didn't pick Candace. My opinion, it says my opinion, is that Candace was friends with Charlie. Not is friends with Charlie.

• 1:56:52Adam Sosnick?

  And there's clearly from 2023, a divide. You were part of our crew. You are no longer part of our crew. That's my opinion. Can I show one clip of Candace? This is her words of how I think Candace handles situations. I, I've, I've never said that Candace is stupid. I've never said she's crazy. I've always given her credit. But she's, I would not want to mess with this woman. Do you have that clip about, don't you dare? Watch this. This is Candace in a nutshell.

• 1:57:23Speaker 23

  For those of you who think that you are going to replace Charlie Kirk, okay? Kings are born. You don't just get to depose and tell us that we're gonna follow this individual. Okay? I'm one of the masons of Turning Point USA. You put a shill in Charlie Kirk's chair, in Charlie Kirk's company, and you try to tell us to follow that individual? I will be an enemy of you. I don't, there will, there will be nothing that can stop me. Okay? And I want you guys to understand, this is not a threat, this is a promise. There will be nothing that can stop me. I will release every single text message.

• 1:58:07Speaker 23

  So to those of you who are trying that, I'm seeing the messages. I am telling you to back off right now. Like, right now, don't do it, okay? Don't you think about it. I know exactly who you are. I know exactly who you were that were exerting pressure. Don't you pretend to be noble now and say nice things about Charlie Kirk and think you're gonna slide into his chair. Okay? Over my dead body, which I'm sure can be arranged.

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• 1:59:33Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. Well, what do you think, what do you think she's saying?

• 1:59:35Speaker 05

  You think she's talking to Shapiro?

• 1:59:37Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know if she's talking to Nick Fuentes. I don't know if she's talking to Ben Shapiro. I don't know. I mean, if you had to guess. I don't know. We don't know. I don't think it's Nick Fuentes. I don't know. Yeah, I would say Ben Shapiro. Okay. But she seems venomous and angry and passionate.

• 1:59:51Speaker 05

  When was that?

• 1:59:52Adam Sosnick?

  That is, that was two days ago.

• 1:59:54Speaker 05

  And so they put Shapiro in the seat yesterday after JD Vance the first day.

• 1:59:57Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, but the, Ben Shapiro, by the way, they just pledged, Daily Wire pledged, I think, a million dollars.

• 2:00:04Speaker 06

  How much did Candace give?

• 2:00:05Speaker 05

  I know.

• 2:00:05Speaker 06

  How much did Candace give?

• 2:00:06Speaker 05

  No, no, we're agreeing.

• 2:00:07Speaker 06

  How much did Candace give?

• 2:00:08Speaker 05

  I know why Ben Shapiro wants it, it would be, he needs it. Ben is, he's doing, done well, but he, he needs the Turning Point USA. He needs the money now, he needs the, the access. So I see why he there, but you know, turning, I don't know who she was talking, she had to be talking to Ben Shapiro.

• 2:00:21Speaker 06

  If I had to guess, I don't know.

• 2:00:23Speaker 05

  Cause I don't think she's talking to TP USA, uh, management, who the people who are

• 2:00:27Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:00:27Speaker 05

  gonna decide who takes.

• 2:00:28Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 2:00:28Speaker 05

  She was making threats of people who think they're heir to the throne of Charlie Kirk. Meanwhile, she didn't say she was either.

• 2:00:34Speaker 06

  Well, I would, I would assume that you're

• 2:00:35Adam Sosnick?

  By the way, if she is talking about Ben Shapiro, and I have no clue, my gut was Nick Fuentes, cause he's trying to take the mantle

• 2:00:41Speaker 06

  No, wait.

• 2:00:42Adam Sosnick?

  For America first.

• 2:00:42Speaker 05

  Hold on.

• 2:00:43Adam Sosnick?

  No way. Hear me out.

• 2:00:44Speaker 05

  He's got zero shot.

• 2:00:45Adam Sosnick?

  You, you think if she had text messages with Ben Shapiro, after everything they've been through, they would have been released already? You think she's holding back? You think Candace is the type of person the last two years that has held back? You think she's got a trump card that she's ready to expose Ben Shapiro?

• 2:01:01Speaker 05

  But

• 2:01:01Adam Sosnick?

  She's used all her bullets, so to speak.

• 2:01:04Speaker 05

  I'm trying to see what you're saying. What's your point here? Like, tell me what your point is.

• 2:01:07Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying, she is angry and venomous right now.

• 2:01:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:01:09Adam Sosnick?

  And that is not a person that you want to mess with. She's capable and she's filled with rage. That's all I'm saying. Do you think, on the power versus force chart?

• 2:01:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:01:19Adam Sosnick?

  I'd love to see where Pat thinks about this. Rob, if you could pull that up. Power versus force, please show me where you think Candace is operating out of right now.

• 2:01:27Speaker 05

  Benny, where do you think she's at?

• 2:01:28Adam Sosnick?

  Show the chart.

• 2:01:28Speaker 05

  On power versus force, where do you think she's at?

• 2:01:30Speaker 06

  Let me see the chart.

• 2:01:32Speaker 05

  We just did this at the vault.

• 2:01:33Speaker 06

  If I had to, uh, where?

• 2:01:36Speaker 05

  Go to the third row, level, right there.

• 2:01:39Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 2:01:40Adam Sosnick?

  Can you punch in, Rob?

• 2:01:42Speaker 06

  She's angry. She's in anger.

• 2:01:44Speaker 05

  So she's at 150?

• 2:01:45Speaker 06

  Yeah. She's angry, which a lot of people are.

• 2:01:47Adam Sosnick?

  So she's below the, the, what do you call it?

• 2:01:51Speaker 06

  Which is not a bad thing, that's just, guess what? I've fluctuated all over this damn thing. But, um, but I think, Adam, cause you know, Char, uh, what she's talking about, if it is Ben Shapiro.

• 2:01:58Speaker 05

  You think that's, you think that's not a bad thing?

• 2:02:00Speaker 06

  No, I, I didn't say it's a good or a bad thing. I just said where she's at.

• 2:02:02Speaker 05

  You said it's not a bad thing. You think, so you think at a, at a time like this, it's good to be there? I do.

• 2:02:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 2:02:11Speaker 05

  I think we need to be there.

• 2:02:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 2:02:13Speaker 05

  Because the left will tell you, let's, let's, let's go back to unity, let's tone things down. Yeah, sure, because you didn't just have one of your biggest, most influential human beings on your side assassinated in cold blood. It's, it's not time to take the tone down.

• 2:02:26Speaker 06

  I fully disagree with you, Mark.

• 2:02:27Speaker 05

  I'm not, I'm not suggesting violence, I'm not suggesting violence at all. What I'm saying, stay pissed off, stay angry. I went, I had a tragic loss in my life. I had a law, I lost a child in, in college. I, it's, it's, you do go through stages of grief, confusion, sadness. For this, I announced it at 11:13, I'm sorry, 4:13 PM last Wednesday, Charlie Kirk had died from, from the gunshot from the assassin. I went immediately to anger. There are people crying on the set, if you, you guys have the clip somewhere, people are starting to cry on the set, and I just went right to, I'm, I'm fucking pissed off. This is enough, we're not going to sit down and not take, and I don't mean hurt people, I mean, use your voice. Charlie was killed because he used words.

• 2:03:08Speaker 05

  We need to say, I am Charlie Kirk, we're going to use, I'm going to use my voice to let the world know what I believe, and no, I'm not going to tone it down left. It's not time. I'm not ready to, to pass that stage of, of grief.

• 2:03:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, Benny, go back to what you were saying.

• 2:03:24Speaker 06

  If you could show that chart.

• 2:03:25Speaker 05

  That's, oh, yeah.

• 2:03:26Speaker 06

  Oh, so I'm, well, what I'm saying is, like, anger, like, Pat, think about it, if God forbid, one of us was taken out, I would go right to anger. I'd be furious right now. And again, Adam, I don't know the relationship, I don't know how close, I mean, they were close back in the day, but right now, you don't know if they texted the day of, or days before, or any of that, but in regard to what you're saying about what she's talking about, I would assume it would be Ben Shapiro, because what did Ben Shapiro say a couple of days after the assassination? I'm going to pick up the bloody mic, and I'm going to keep going.

• 2:03:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:03:53Speaker 06

  So, you could, but, but, no, no. That means on his own show. No, no, no, he's going to go on competition, no, I understand what I'm saying. She's saying... Her thing is, nobody's gonna come and take it because she knows that they're coming on that set. That's what she's saying. I don't think it's that. But I think, Pat, I think she's angry right now. She, Adam, Adam, where do you think she's at?

• 2:04:13Adam Sosnick?

  She's filled with rage. And listen, there's a, there's a business model to be, to, to use people's emotions and anger and monetize that. To me, that's exactly what she's doing. But we, we talk about power versus force. My question is, okay, the one person was the, the right to be angry in every motion, one person. That's his wife. But what are his inner circle acting? Andrew, who we know very well, is being very reasonable right now. And he's hosting shows, he's making plans, he's calling out lies. He's acting with reason and with love for Charlie.

• 2:04:51Adam Sosnick?

  Candace is acting with absolute anger and desire for eyeballs and for clout. So to me, who's closer at this point? Just answer this one question. The executive producer, Andrew, who's with him every day, or Candace, who was friends with him five, 10 years ago?

• 2:05:10Speaker 06

  Obviously the executive producer.

• 2:05:11Adam Sosnick?

  So that's where I go with this.

• 2:05:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I think even the better one to go to is not even the executive producer, it's the wife. Where's the wife at? Show me where the wife's at.

• 2:05:19Adam Sosnick?

  The wife?

• 2:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, where's the wife at?

• 2:05:21Adam Sosnick?

  To be honest, she's probably all over the map, man.

• 2:05:24Speaker 06

  Courage?

• 2:05:25Patrick Bet-David?

  When she gave the 17, 18 minute speech last week, where was she at?

• 2:05:28Adam Sosnick?

  She was angry.

• 2:05:28Speaker 06

  No, she was courage.

• 2:05:30Adam Sosnick?

  Courage as well?

• 2:05:30Speaker 06

  His wife wasn't angry, she was nice, she was poised.

• 2:05:33Adam Sosnick?

  She said-

• 2:05:33Speaker 06

  God was with her, bro.

• 2:05:34Adam Sosnick?

  She said that, that line where she said, "The tears of this widow will echo like a battle cry." That's anger. But she also showed immense courage and willingness to speak out on, on Charlie's behalf. Where do you think she is, Pat?

• 2:05:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it's love. I think it's love. I think it's up there. I saw love and I saw a mother who is going to... She said an example for a lot of people. You saw what Anika's, Anika's parents is more angry than Erica's. That's why she gave Erica the kind of a credit that she did. I don't know. I, I, I think-

• 2:06:10Speaker 06

  Where do you think Candace is?

• 2:06:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I think Candace isn't above. I think Candace is on the bottom of it, not at the top of it. I think Candace is at the, you know, if Candace-

• 2:06:23Patrick Bet-David?

  If Candace wanted to, she says that, and I'm not gonna, kings are not born. So is Candace gonna go on the road? Is she gonna do that? Maybe. Alright, I'd be curious to know who shows up if Candace goes on universities. I would actually like to see her go to universities, obviously with protection. I want her, because she's got a family, she's got kids, she's got a beautiful family. I'd like to see her go and see who shows up and who defends her. I actually would like to see, if she did go to school, what types of people would roll up to defend her. I would love that. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.

• 2:07:00Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:07:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So go and see who shows up. Is it gonna be peaceful people showing up? Maybe. Is it gonna be chaotic? Maybe, I don't know. You will very quickly, look, when you go to the Vault Conference, and we had nearly 8,000 people in the room last week, you don't know who's gonna be in the room. And then you look around, you're like, husbands and wives, kids, families, Palestinian guy who's a Muslim says, "I disagree with you because of what you say about Islam, but I love you, Patrick," and you're just looking at her, everybody, like, alright, so that's our audience.

• 2:07:35Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Sometimes put an event on, let's see who your audience is. I'd love to see it. I'd love to see who the audience is. Maybe the audience is the Turning Point USA audience. Maybe the audience is young conservatives. Maybe it is. Maybe the audience is that. But I'd like to see, if she's saying that, is Candace gonna be going and doing what Charlie did? I don't think she will. Neither do I think she needs to, because I think she's got kids.

• 2:08:02Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually don't think it's a good idea to do it as a mother. I think it's better for her to stay home and take care of the young kids. She's got very young kids.

• 2:08:09Adam Sosnick?

  Like, three of them or four of them.

• 2:08:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I wouldn't want her to put herself in a risk situation. But, I, uh, look, let me tell you.

• 2:08:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Last night, I'm reading this. About crows and eagles. You ever heard this story of crows and eagles? Let me read it to you. The only bird that dares to attack an eagle is a crow.

• 2:08:30Patrick Bet-David?

  But the eagle never fights back. Here's why. The crow is the only bird bold enough to sit on the eagle's back and peck its neck. At its neck.

• 2:08:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Relentless and annoying. But the eagle stays calm. The eagle doesn't flap. Doesn't fight. Doesn't waste energy. It does one thing. It rises.

• 2:08:55Patrick Bet-David?

  The higher the eagle soars, the thinner the air becomes. The crow. It can't handle that altitude. Eventually, the crow gasps. Loses strength. And falls off. Not because the eagle attacked. But because the eagle ascended. Let the crows talk. Let them peck. You don't have to respond. Just keep going higher. They can't follow you forever. Your growth will suffocate their noise. So don't engage. Elevate. I don't know. I think. Whatever we're going through right now with the temperature that we have. We're gonna be around for a while, God willing, if he wants us here. I think by 2035, we'll know. I mean, serious with you.

• 2:09:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I think by 2035, we'll know.

• 2:09:42Speaker 05

  A decade?

• 2:09:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I, I, I think it's gonna take a decade. I think it's gonna take a decade to see what's gonna happen. 10 years ago, when you went and. Looked at a lot of guys that everybody's like, who's the real business people on YouTube? Who's the real business people on YouTube? Oh, it's this guy. Oh, it's that guy. Oh, that's Mike. Oh, my God, it's that guy. 90% of them are not around 10 years later. And you're like, dude, I thought that guy was gonna be this. I thought this guy was gonna be this. And let's go 10 more years. Okay, everybody talked trash about Trump in what year? 70s? 80s? 90s? 2000s? Where is he at right now? Two-term president. Number one show 15 years. Multi-billionaire. And raised good kids. What do you have to say about that now? But it took 79 years.

• 2:10:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Sometimes you just gotta wait. There's gonna be a lot of noise for a long time to come. And I wish nothing but the best for everybody in this space. I only encourage people. To know the role they're playing. And see what's best for America. Of course, everybody, when the founding fathers created America, they had a, they had a problem with two things. How do you manage the nasty side of ambitious side that every human being has? And this is stemmed from passion. And how do you decipher between the people that know how to reason? So they created the whole thing, which was like, well, we went for monarchy. I tell you

• 2:11:08Patrick Bet-David?

  what to do, you better listen to a democracy. Everybody tells you what to do to a republic. Now we have representatives who speak on my behalf. And if I don't like them, I'll fire them and have another person in the next election. So I can't be controlled by the majority. Because if this was a democracy, holy shit, you're too rich Elon, 450 billion dollars, now you only worth 220 million dollars. Why is that? That's a democracy. Republic is like, no dude, I can be whoever I want. But the battle that they had long term, which they worried all the Madisons and the John Jays and the, you know, and the Hamiltons and Washingtons, their battle was how are we going to manage the natural individual selfish ambitions and passions that people have versus the people that are willing to make reasonable decisions that's best for the country long term? How do you manage

• 2:11:53Patrick Bet-David?

  that? It's been a problem 2000 years ago. It was a problem 1000 years ago. It's a problem today, it's gonna be a problem 1000 years from now. But sometimes you can't really see everyone's motives for a minute. And you just have to stick around and see what happens. Eric?

• 2:12:07Speaker 05

  You know, I said, I jumped anger immediately, and I stay there, and I still believe we need on the right to stay angry about this. And there's, there's, there's a fallout. There's a, there's a reason for this. The midterm elections are coming up. I'm, this, again, if you think this is cheap, using Charlie's death, I disagree. I say, use Charlie's legacy. Carry that into 2026. Let people know that the left is a party of violence, the party of hate, party of stifling speech that they don't agree with, the party of crime, the party of all the things that Trump has tried to change in America, and, and use Charlie's death to stay angry and keep remembering and reminding the folks out there who are the independents in the middle going, not sure where I'm gonna go, not sure if I love

• 2:12:50Speaker 05

  Trump, I'm not sure what I want to do. But I certainly don't want the party that, that condones and almost supports what we saw on September 10th. That's not my party of choice. I think you were mentioning that earlier in the show. So that's why I'd say... Not violently, with your words, stay angry, folks, stay angry. I am Charlie Kirk. That should be everyone right now.

• 2:13:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, let's go to last couple of things and let's wrap up, Rob. Cash Patel, if you can pull up the three clips of Cash Patel. Which one do we want to start off with? Let's do Cash Patel, Adam Schiff first. Then let's go to Cash Patel, Corey, and then let's finish up with Cash Patel. Actually, let's do Cash Patel, Adam, Cash Patel Kennedy, then Cash Patel Corey. So here's Cash Patel and Adam Schiff, go ahead.

• 2:13:38Speaker 24

  To believe that? Do you think they're stupid?

• 2:13:41Speaker 25

  No, I think the American people believe the truth, that I'm not in the weeds on the everyday movements of inmates. What I am doing is protecting this country, providing historic reform, and combating the weaponization of intelligence by the likes of you. And we have countlessly proven you to be a liar in Russiagate, in January 6. You are the biggest fraud to ever sit in the United States Senate. You are a disgrace to this institution and an utter coward.

• 2:14:10Speaker 24

  I'm not surprised.

• 2:14:12Speaker 25

  I'm not surprised you continue to lie from your perch and put on a show so you can go raise money for your charade. You are a political buffoon at best.

• 2:14:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my. Wow. Let it continue, go well deserved.

• 2:14:29Speaker 25

  And the state and citizens of California. We are bringing historic reform, historic order. But all you care about is a child sex predator that was prosecuted by a prior administration and the Obama Justice Department and the Biden Justice Department did squat. And what did President Trump do? Bring new charges courageously. And what have we done? You said I'm the most transparent FBI director in history. Thirty-three thousand pages of information to you. I challenge you to say anything credibly to the truth. Go ahead and run to the cameras where you want to go now.

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• 2:16:06Adam Sosnick?

  There's a lot of Americans who very much appreciate what he did to Adam Schiff.

• 2:16:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Cash, one, Shifty Schiff, zero.

• 2:16:11Adam Sosnick?

  Where do you think he is on Power vs. Force?

• 2:16:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Who?

• 2:16:15Adam Sosnick?

  Josh Patel. He is just tired of him. He's tired.

• 2:16:18Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think...

• 2:16:20Adam Sosnick?

  He's actually being reasonable.

• 2:16:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he's reasonable and bringing receipts.

• 2:16:23Adam Sosnick?

  Receipts, exactly.

• 2:16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He doesn't like it. And Adam's being emotional. But here's...

• 2:16:27Adam Sosnick?

  Adam Schiff.

• 2:16:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the Cash Patel with Kennedy. Go for it.

• 2:16:35Speaker 24

  Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to besides himself?

• 2:16:41Speaker 25

  Himself? There is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited.

• 2:16:52Speaker 24

  So the answer is no one?

• 2:16:55Speaker 25

  For the information that we have.

• 2:16:57Adam Sosnick?

  Should be all the information.

• 2:16:58Speaker 24

  In the files.

• 2:16:58Speaker 25

  In the case file.

• 2:16:59Speaker 24

  Okay. And I think the central question for the American people is this. They know that Epstein trafficked young women for sex to himself. They want to know who, if anyone else, he trafficked these young women to. And that's a very fair question. I want to know that answer. And I think you're gonna have to do more to satisfy the American people's understandable curiosity in that regard.

• 2:17:35Adam Sosnick?

  Do you guys believe him? Do you believe Cash? Okay. So here's my question.

• 2:17:40Speaker 06

  You don't believe Cash?

• 2:17:41Adam Sosnick?

  No. No. Hold on. Nobody in their right mind, Adam, with all the information that we have...

• 2:17:45Patrick Bet-David?

  He only had the girls going to him?

• 2:17:46Adam Sosnick?

  Come on. Come on. Like...

• 2:17:49Speaker 06

  So you think Cash is...

• 2:17:50Adam Sosnick?

  What about Prince Andrew?

• 2:17:51Speaker 06

  Hold on. Let me ask the question. Do you think Cash is lying?

• 2:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I think if you notice the way he answers, you, it's the words that he explains and then Kennedy tried to clarify and he said yes. So I don't know if you caught how he answered it.

• 2:18:08Adam Sosnick?

  Do you wanna?

• 2:18:09Speaker 06

  Wait, let me, let me ask you, Adam, you, do you, do you believe that with all this crap with Epstein, he was just bringing girls to massage him and have sex with?

• 2:18:17Adam Sosnick?

  I, I don't know.

• 2:18:17Speaker 06

  No, I, I, what do you mean you don't know? I'm asking you your opinion, if you truly think that that's the truth.

• 2:18:23Adam Sosnick?

  I, I, I, I would love to see.

• 2:18:26Speaker 06

  Yes or no?

• 2:18:27Adam Sosnick?

  Senator Kennedy was like, I think the American people want to see this and I think, I think there's a lot of people that want to see.

• 2:18:33Speaker 06

  I want to know what you think, what you think.

• 2:18:35Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:18:35Speaker 06

  From what you've heard for the past two years.

• 2:18:38Adam Sosnick?

  If I put more trust, I'm not calling you out, hear me out.

• 2:18:42Speaker 06

  Go ahead.

• 2:18:42Adam Sosnick?

  Do I trust Cash Patel more or Vinny O'Shaughnessy?

• 2:18:47Speaker 06

  Not.

• 2:18:47Adam Sosnick?

  Hear me out, I trust Cash more.

• 2:18:50Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 2:18:50Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not saying you're completely wrong, I'm not saying you're unjustified, I'm saying that's someone who I think has more credibility than someone like you.

• 2:18:59Speaker 06

  But that's not my question, my question, again, I'm asking one more time.

• 2:19:02Adam Sosnick?

  So I'm on team Cash.

• 2:19:04Speaker 06

  Okay, so.

• 2:19:04Adam Sosnick?

  Ask the question, the answer is I'm on team Cash.

• 2:19:07Speaker 06

  I'm asking Adam Sosnick, I don't even care about this. Do you believe, you, forget we even saw that, that Jeffrey Epstein was just trafficking girls to come hook up with him? And Ghislaine Maxwell may be on the side, no Prince Andrew, no nobody else, not the list, not the Bill Clintons, not the shit that you've been hearing, Adam.

• 2:19:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Not Bill Gates.

• 2:19:27Speaker 06

  Not Bill Gates, that, that his wife left him because of their relationship, not Ehud Barak going through with him and hanging out with him. Are, is Adam Sosnick, do you believe, stop, forget about this, you think that he just hooked up with girls for himself?

• 2:19:42Adam Sosnick?

  No, I think he was bringing women to the island and I think other people were on the island and then they're all in the same room and they're all in there together.

• 2:19:50Speaker 06

  So he's trafficking them to have sex with these?

• 2:19:52Adam Sosnick?

  I, I, I didn't say sex.

• 2:19:53Speaker 06

  Bless you.

• 2:19:54Adam Sosnick?

  I didn't say sex, I think they were all on the island together. I don't know, so at some point, we all have to acknowledge, I don't know.

• 2:20:01Speaker 06

  No, but Adam, you can have an opinion, but it's.

• 2:20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, you, you think, okay, so you think yes.

• 2:20:05Adam Sosnick?

  What do you know?

• 2:20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I think yes.

• 2:20:07Speaker 06

  He's, you're, you're where I'm at.

• 2:20:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I think yes, it's not even, for me, it's not even a question, but the question is, um, they just had Bill Gates at the winehouse two weeks ago.

• 2:20:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:20:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Sitting right next to Melania.

• 2:20:19Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 2:20:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So, listen, I, I, uh, there is a handful of ways I can go with this on, on what's going on here and why they keep saying this. It's a handful of directions I can go with this. I, uh, this is the one area that, uh, I'm going to continue being curious because I want to know what happened here. And every time we have guests, there's more things that come up and reveal itself and it leaves the case more open. Because remember what Cash said to Adam? Shift. All you care about is, you know, going after a pedophile. That was when your previous administration could have done it and they did nothing. That's all you care about. Because you want to be able to go out there in the press conference and raise some money for your, that's all you want to do, right?

• 2:21:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So, he was talking about Epstein with Adam.

• 2:21:07Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:21:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And then Kennedy came back and asked the question. So, I'm, I'm not, um, I'm not anywhere with, where are you at with the Epstein situation?

• 2:21:17Speaker 05

  With this testimony right here?

• 2:21:19Patrick Bet-David?

  All of it, Epstein situation.

• 2:21:20Speaker 05

  No, I, I, listen, I, I think Cash is in a really, really tough place because he clearly answers to the president. He wants to make sure the president is, is good and for whatever reason, they don't want the Epstein files out. There's clearly stuff going on. I don't believe Epstein did it for himself alone. I think there were other people involved. Definition of trafficking underage women brought to an island, other people have sex with, that would, that would be the definition. I go back to Obama administration, James Clapper, it was with the Snowden issue, when Clapper was on the Hill testifying to the Senate panel and Wyden, Senator Wyden says, is the NSA snooping, spying on, on

• 2:21:59Speaker 05

  Americans? And Clapper says, not, he said something like, not, not necessarily. No, not necessarily. And it was that not necessarily part where everyone said, oh, he didn't really lie to Congress. But he did. He lied to, to, to the Senate panel. It was proven, you know, minutes after.

• 2:22:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Not knowingly, not knowingly.

• 2:22:19Speaker 05

  Not knowingly.

• 2:22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Not knowingly.

• 2:22:22Speaker 05

  And that little qualifier. So, I don't know what Cash is doing here. I, I, probably just making sure that the... The position that Department of Justice wants to go with, remember Pam Bondi is his boss, and Pam reports to the president too, they both, it strikes me that that, there's more there, they're just, they're not comfortable telling it, I just don't think that was the best way to, to phrase that answer.

• 2:22:41Speaker 06

  What, what would, what, because my opinion, we share the same opinion, that, that was not truthful. Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking to a bunch of high-profile people. What would make him, who's telling him, "Hey, don't say anything, this is the official story, we're gonna stick with it, just go with this." Who are you protecting? Who, because the way that other people are gonna see this, is that he's protecting powerful people that don't want their names involved with this, and it's like, "All right, everybody, stop talking about it, look over there, go, go, come on, go, go, go over there." Something is fishy, and this is one of the worst looks, I think, from this entire administration, this, and it's not just me, there's people that are so disappointed

• 2:23:23Speaker 06

  in this, especially with Cash Patel, and by the way, I love the fiery moment, good, put, put Adam Schiff in, in this place, I think we have one more clip, but Adam, there is something blatantly, obviously corrupt, and it's right in our face, and we've been talking about it, and it's, it's the worst look on this administration.

• 2:23:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You obviously don't believe it's the president, you've said that you don't think it's him.

• 2:23:43Speaker 06

  I don't, I don't, I just know that somebody-

• 2:23:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So then if it's not, what's the alternative?

• 2:23:47Speaker 06

  The people that were sitting with him, the, the Bill Gates and all these people, and the Bill Clintons-

• 2:23:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, so then that means, it's the ultimate blackmail.

• 2:23:52Speaker 06

  It's the ultimate blackmail, and I-

• 2:23:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, and doing it right in front of you, you don't even know about it. So if you give up the list, how do you get these people to do what you want them to do?

• 2:23:58Speaker 06

  Exactly, yep.

• 2:23:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So to me, it goes, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

• 2:24:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, you're right.

• 2:24:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's where it goes to. All right, if you announce it, you lost the control of these people.

• 2:24:06Speaker 05

  But, but, they ran on, "We're gonna release-"

• 2:24:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Not him, he never ran on it.

• 2:24:11Speaker 06

  He said it afterwards.

• 2:24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  The Trump 47 was never, the 20 points wasn't his. He did say it in the interview with Campos, "Will you release 9/11 files?" Yes. "Will you release John F. Kennedy?" "I already have, but maybe more." "Will you release Epstein?" Yes. You know what, maybe, I don't know, because it depends on, sometimes people are gonna be on those lists. So he didn't fully give that answer.

• 2:24:28Speaker 05

  PBD, we saw- We saw binders.

• 2:24:32Adam Sosnick?

  Remember there was.

• 2:24:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, that was no bind.

• 2:24:34Adam Sosnick?

  What was, what was that?

• 2:24:35Patrick Bet-David?

  We could have done that ourselves.

• 2:24:36Speaker 05

  Right, right. My point is, we've been promised.

• 2:24:39Adam Sosnick?

  I did it.

• 2:24:40Speaker 05

  I'm in the camp where I want to see it. I think we should, we, listen, if Trump's on it, be honest with you, no one will give a shit anyway, we, two weeks later. Remember when he said I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, it's reelected? He could. And if he's on the list, it wouldn't matter two weeks down the road.

• 2:24:52Adam Sosnick?

  I agree with you on that.

• 2:24:53Speaker 05

  Now, big donors, big influential people on both sides.

• 2:24:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He's on a second term.

• 2:24:57Speaker 05

  He's gotta be on both sides, otherwise we would have heard about it.

• 2:24:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He's on a second term.

• 2:25:00Speaker 05

  What, what's that?

• 2:25:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He's on a second term.

• 2:25:01Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, like, he's not running for reelection.

• 2:25:02Speaker 05

  No, no, I think it's the parties.

• 2:25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, what I mean is, he's on a second term. Release it on the first one, it hurts you. Release it on a second term, it doesn't hurt you.

• 2:25:10Speaker 05

  Right, right. So, I, I, it, it's gotta be.

• 2:25:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not gonna go away by the way.

• 2:25:14Adam Sosnick?

  The claim that Cash made, that the Trump administration has done more to release the Epstein files, has done more to put the Epstein files out there than Obama and Biden combined, is that accurate?

• 2:25:26Speaker 06

  Yes. They put out more documents, but Adam, out of hundreds of thousands of documents, I could give you 15,000, and you'd be like, whoa! It's, that's not saying anything. It's repeating the same stuff.

• 2:25:38Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Cash and Cory, and then let's wrap it up. Here's Cash and Cory.

• 2:25:41Adam Sosnick?

  I love watching stuff like this.

• 2:25:42Speaker 07

  And this is just in response, Cory Booker says that Cash Patel has failed as the FBI director.

• 2:25:48Speaker 14

  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

• 2:25:49Speaker 26

  Do you want to say anything?

• 2:25:51Speaker 25

  Yes, sir.

• 2:25:54Speaker 25

  That rant of false information does not bring this country together. If you want to work on bringing this country, it's my time, not yours.

• 2:26:04Speaker 14

  My God, my God!

• 2:26:05Speaker 25

  If you want to talk about.

• 2:26:07Speaker 14

  Biding this country?

• 2:26:08Speaker 25

  It is my time.

• 2:26:09Speaker 14

  I follow you on your social media posts that tear this country apart.

• 2:26:12Speaker 25

  It is my time to address your falsehoods.

• 2:26:14Speaker 14

  Oh, you're a jerk.

• 2:26:15Speaker 25

  You are an embarrassment to the vision in this country.

• 2:26:18Speaker 14

  You can try all you want to not take responsibility for what you have said.

• 2:26:21Speaker 25

  It's my time. You had your time. Your time is over.

• 2:26:23Speaker 14

  Sir, you're making a mockery of this committee. Sir, you don't tell me my time is over. The people of New Jersey tell me what my time is.

• 2:26:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, what a joke. Spartacus.

• 2:26:29Speaker 25

  You can tell me my time is over.

• 2:26:31Speaker 14

  You may be the charge of the FBI.

• 2:26:32Speaker 25

  I'm not going anywhere.

• 2:26:34Speaker 14

  I am not afraid of you, sir.

• 2:26:34Speaker 17

  Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, point of order. Tough guy.

• 2:26:39Speaker 26

  Senator Booker, I announced at the beginning of this meeting that this back and forth, talking over each other, doesn't work. And I said if that happened, I had to tell, not to respond, and I was going to give him some time after the senator's time was up to respond. And that's, he has the privilege to do that uninterrupted.

• 2:27:00Speaker 14

  Mr. Chairman, one point of order.

• 2:27:01Speaker 26

  Go ahead, Mr. Patel.

• 2:27:02Speaker 14

  I've watched him talk over us, and you've never once criticized him for us not even being able to get our questions out. He has been rude and disrespectful to senator after senator.

• 2:27:12Speaker 26

  And when the senators were not giving him a chance to answer, I didn't stop the senator either. Go ahead, Senator.

• 2:27:20Speaker 25

  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the FBI, under my seven-month leadership, were failing this administration in this country, why do we have 23,000 violent felons arrested this year alone? A 20, a 200, excuse me, a double increase from that time last year. Why is it that we have seized 6,000 weapons? Why have we found 1,500 child predators and arrest them? Why have we have 300 human traffickers in jail? Why have we found and identified 4,700 children? Why have we seized 1,600 kilograms of fentanyl enough to kill a third of the American public, a 25% increase alone from last year? 88,000 kilograms of cocaine seized, 700 kilograms of meth seized, and that's just on our criminal operations in

• 2:28:02Speaker 25

  summer heat? How is it possible that we are taking 8 kilograms off the streets of the cities in New Jersey and preventing the deaths of 607,000 people this year alone, a failure of the FBI and my leadership? How is it that we have counterintelligence arrests already this year exceeding the numbers from the entirety of last year? 33% increase in PRC, 83% in Russia, 60% in the CI space as it relates to Iran, and we haven't even talked about CT, the southern border, the northern border?

• 2:28:30Speaker 26

  Before Senator Cruz, I kind of feel like a-

• 2:28:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Pause it right there. Pause it right there.

• 2:28:34Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 2:28:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you think Cory Booker's running in 2028?

• 2:28:38Adam Sosnick?

  Yes, 100%. Yes, he will be.

• 2:28:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:28:41Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, he's gonna put his name- he ran in 2016? When did he run?

• 2:28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he ran.

• 2:28:45Adam Sosnick?

  Of course he is.

• 2:28:46Speaker 06

  He's so funny.

• 2:28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:47Speaker 06

  He's a funny guy.

• 2:28:48Patrick Bet-David?

  How bad of a look is that? I mean, when you're seeing Cash going after Cory and what he's saying.

• 2:28:52Adam Sosnick?

  But for who?

• 2:28:54Speaker 06

  For who?

• 2:28:54Patrick Bet-David?

  For Cory.

• 2:28:55Adam Sosnick?

  Well, we gotta stop this brown-on-brown crime, guys.

• 2:28:57Speaker 06

  No, I think Cory Booker-

• 2:28:58Adam Sosnick?

  Cory versus-

• 2:28:59Speaker 06

  That guy will stand-

• 2:29:00Adam Sosnick?

  That guy chill.

• 2:29:01Speaker 06

  He'll stand on the Congress floor in 24 hours and be Spartacus and nobody-

• 2:29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this what they're saying for 2028, Rob?

• 2:29:07Speaker 06

  Yes, according to YouGov.

• 2:29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  It's saying Gavin is number one.

• 2:29:10Speaker 05

  They're missing one, though.

• 2:29:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Pritzker?

• 2:29:13Adam Sosnick?

  Who? Who do you think?

• 2:29:14Speaker 05

  The only one who would have a chance. None of those. Of them, I think Buttigieg is gonna-

• 2:29:19Adam Sosnick?

  Michelle Obama, you doing Michelle Obama again? Eric Bowling, stop it with the Michelle Obama thing. There's been no indication.

• 2:29:27Speaker 05

  No!

• 2:29:27Adam Sosnick?

  Anytime someone's brought up Michelle Obama-

• 2:29:29Speaker 05

  I didn't say she-

• 2:29:29Adam Sosnick?

  I go, she's not doing anything.

• 2:29:30Speaker 05

  I didn't say she announced that. I'm saying-

• 2:29:32Adam Sosnick?

  You wanna bring her back from the dead of political purgatory. Eric Bowling, do better, sir.

• 2:29:38Speaker 05

  Adam, if Michelle Obama announced right now, where would she be on that list?

• 2:29:42Speaker 06

  Number one.

• 2:29:42Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 2:29:43Adam Sosnick?

  But she's never had political office.

• 2:29:47Speaker 06

  She might have to do it. Oh, really?

• 2:29:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question, Rob.

• 2:29:51Adam Sosnick?

  If my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle. So we got a plain reality here, boss.

• 2:29:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Question for you. Question for you. Question for you. When the day Joe Biden opened up his Instagram account and posted a picture, I posted a comment saying you officially run for office. And this was like six months before he announced he's running.

• 2:30:06Adam Sosnick?

  What year?

• 2:30:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to it. 2019, 2020, whatever the timeline was. And what is the first day Joe Biden opened up his Instagram account? Pull up a- when did Joe Biden open up his Instagram? Ask ChatGPT, what day, what day did Joe Biden go open?

• 2:30:23Adam Sosnick?

  Like, he never had an Instagram and he started his first post ever?

• 2:30:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you'll see right now. He opened up his Instagram account with someone, it was 2014. Someone's account, Joe Biden, okay? And then boom, boom, boom. And then shortly thereafter, no, this is not a- there was a post he put up. He hadn't posted something for years, or whatever it was. And then you knew right off the bat, he's running for office. Oh, Rob, it's gonna take you a long time to go find it. This guy's a big time Instagram guy. But here's the point. Why did Michelle start a podcast? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's therapeutic. Maybe it's to speak to the public. Maybe it's to become relevant again. Maybe it's to spend time with her brother. Maybe it's just to talk to other

• 2:31:08Patrick Bet-David?

  people. Maybe Jada Pinkett, you know, inspired her. I don't know. I don't know what type of entanglement is going on there with the podcast. But all I'm saying to you is, it could be because the pressure that she has that she's finding where to release, or it could be she's planning on something with 2028. Maybe she just didn't want to go up directly against Trump. Because remember, there's a big difference between running in 2020, running in 2024, and running in 2028. You ain't going against Trump. You don't want to go against somebody that's going to get very nasty with you. Trump has no limits on how nasty he'll get with you. Is JD Vance going to get as nasty as Trump? No. Is Marco Rubio going to get as nasty as Trump? No. Who's going to get as nasty as Trump in 2028?

• 2:31:50Speaker 06

  Nobody like him.

• 2:31:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Except maybe his son runs. I don't think anybody's going to get as nasty as that. I don't think it is. So I think in this case, who knows what happened in 2028. Having said that, guys, if you enjoyed Eric Bowling, he's both on Manect, and he has a podcast called The Edge. Rob, is this the video, or is it a? This is still image. So The Edge, and we're going to put the link below to the podcast. Where can they find it?

• 2:32:15Speaker 05

  So, just, it goes live tomorrow, and they'll tell you about The Edge very quickly. It's about male perseverance, risk. I've been through, I've been a professional baseball player, been through that fire, went to Wall Street, been through that fire, named top trader in 2008 by Trader Magazine, Wall Street trader. And then I went to Fox with the bright lights, and I was in the anchor chair. Started, launched The Five, sat in for Bill O'Reilly at his peak, and I lost a child, which is the fourth leg. So there's four fires, four traumas, four arenas I've lived through. And Patrick, I look at this podcast and yourself, and I say, it's kind of like, when I first started watching you, this is what it needs to be. It's about men, okay, being men. It's about finding the grit, the perseverance, to

• 2:32:59Speaker 05

  dig deep for it and never quit. And I want to bring that out. We just, I'm announcing this for the first time. My first guest is Brett Favre. And I will tell you, Vin... And I've known Brett a long time. He's a close friend of mine. We had a discussion about the years that he was really hooked on Vikings and things I've never heard before about playing, leaving, was he high during games? It's a fascinating interview. And that's why I want to dig into what makes great men, people, women who support men, but women, mostly men, what makes us great? What makes us get up a fifth time after being knocked down four?

• 2:33:37Adam Sosnick?

  That's an awesome first guest, Brett Favre.

• 2:33:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Nice.

• 2:33:41Speaker 05

  I have to, I do would like to announce that Patrick David has agreed to, I believe, the first week in November.

• 2:33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, November, yes.

• 2:33:49Speaker 05

  I believe so.

• 2:33:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you, when you book Brett Favre on the podcast, do you email him or text him?

• 2:33:53Speaker 05

  I text him. I could text him right now.

• 2:33:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a very subtle joke right there.

• 2:34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you, that was a dig, but let me tell you, Brett Favre to me, I will never forget, one of the most annoying days of rooting for a flipping football game was when he was for the Minnesota Vikings. That year, Peterson had a couple of fumbles in that game. It was driving me insane. He was playing so good. We're at my sister's house watching the game. They should have won that game. And I wanted to see him win that year. I just wanted that redemption. I don't know if you remember this game. It was one of the sickest playoffs game. He was playing against Green Bay. You know who won that year? Whoever won that year? That was God's plan for who won that. I think that's the year that New Orleans won. Was that 2006? And Drew didn't even play good. But you know, anyways, that was. That was after Katrina, you're saying. That was a Drew Brees.

• 2:34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, but Brett Favre, we were rooting for him to win the Super Bowl. Anyways, Eric, great to have you on.

• 2:34:54Speaker 05

  Thank you, Patrick.

• 2:34:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And gang, God bless everybody. Again, remember, go to VTmerch.com, 100% of whatever you purchase is going to Turning Point USA on the Team USA merch. Go to VTmerch.com, place your order, and we will see you guys on Friday. God bless everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

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