Tourettes N-Word Pass? Epstein Alive, & Trump stirs Hockey Drama | #693

YERRR – the boys break down the BAFTA N-word controversy, Gavin Newsom’s code-switching, and the American dominance and foolery at the Winter Olympics. We’re talkin’: - Trump calls to the Olympics - Eileen Gu, Tiger parenting, and peak Americana - Epstein timelines, Wexner depositions, and the leverage nobody wants to explain - and Andrew’s BIGGEST regret All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 Bafta N-word Outrage, Siamese Twins + Bears 10:22 The Ninja Turtles Theory + Do we forgive him? 15:33 Sitting next to him, Scottish + BBC edit 21:16 What did he say??? 24:21 Gavin Newsom’s Tourettes + Code switching 33:56 Who’s the next Prezzy? 40:13 Olympics, Kash’s CORNY + Trump’s call 49:54 Eileen Gu + Andrew’s BIGGEST regret 1:04:55 Alysa Liu, Tiger Dad + Americana 1:13:14 Snipers diapering up 1:16:54 Epstein + Myth of meritocracy 1:24:00 Who needs to go down? 1:26:06 State of the Union predictions 1:29:18 Wexner’s deposition + Epstein’s “self-deletion” 1:40:51 Epstein’s timeline + Birthday Book 1:44:40 Norway Premier attempt + Epstein’s leverage This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  All right, what's up everybody? Welcome to Flay Grand. Cracker. Damn.

• 0:04Speaker 01

  What the hell? What is that?

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Ow, wait. Did you have like an involuntary auditory response? I can't control it. Is that what's happening right now? Oh, oh, got it, got it, got it. Come on. This is a disability. Yeah. I'm not gonna let you interrupt. I was just gonna introduce everybody. What's up? This is Schultzies, this is Alex Medium.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Honky.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  Ow, it feels like you might be making fun of disabled people. No. They're racist nots.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're making fun of racist disabled people?

• 0:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, dude, that's.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  You can't do that.

• 0:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's actually kinda bad.

• 0:36Speaker 00

  Double down. What a stroke of luck to be racist and have Tourette's. Like, cause Miles has no excuse for his racism. Yeah, I know. Cause we know he doesn't have Tourette's. He has to like sneak it in even though we see it every single time. But like to be racist and then just be like, oops, every single time? And people feel bad for you?

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Nah. Can you explain to the good people what's going on?

• 0:56Speaker 00

  It's basically like, um, like having a Siamese twin and being into incest.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  No, I mean literally. I mean literally what's going on.

• 1:05Speaker 00

  Think about it.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  I didn't mean another metaphor.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  No, no, think about it. It's like, if you're into incest, every time you touch you, you're touching a family, right?

• 1:15Speaker 00

  But so if you have a Siamese twin, it's your pussy and their pussy.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  Bro, that's a good point.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  It's your dick and their dick.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  I never thought about that.

• 1:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, you don't think about people who are Siamese twins and into incest. So, cause it's so. You don't think about telling them.

• 1:31Speaker 00

  Think about it. Think about, think about how lucky they are. You're born a Siamese twin, right? Before you reach your sexual nature, you're like, oh my God, this sucks. And like, I got this head coming out of here. Yeah. Then all of a sudden you hit puberty and you're like, man, I wanna fuck my.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Or you're 18, yeah.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  Or you're 18, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  At 18 years old, you hit puberty and you're like, damn, I just really wanna fuck my family. And then you're like, wait a minute. Oh, shit. And then your brother is like, Harold, why are you rubbing our butthole?

• 2:05Speaker 00

  I'm so. Working it out, guys, it's still working it out.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Wait, so if you're two brothers, Siamese style?

• 2:09Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Sharing a body, but then one genital organ.

• 2:12Speaker 00

  The dream, if you love incest.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:14Speaker 00

  If you love incest, that is the dream. If you are crippled by that disability of loving the idea of fucking your family members, and you have one attached to you, they're growing off your back, they can't do shit.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 2:25Speaker 00

  They can't do shit.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 2:27Mark Gagnon?

  One is gonna be like this, the other one's gonna be like that.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he might not have control of the hands.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  So only one of them feels it?

• 2:33Mark Gagnon?

  I thought they control a side, no?

• 2:34Speaker 00

  We never know, we don't know what the situation is.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Who controls the peace? Like, who feels the peace the most?

• 2:38Speaker 00

  Ideally, your brother. Cause they even jerking his dick, cause that's what someone who's into incest would like. Again, I'm just putting a hypothetical out there.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Or do they both feel it the same, and then they gotta take turns? They'd be like, yo, you got it tonight.

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Guys, look, there are Siamese twins out there.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57Speaker 00

  We can ask them about these things. My suspicion is that they are not also afflicted with a lustful desire of incest.

• 3:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you can't have two both into incest. That was nuts.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  Now, if they are...

• 3:10Mark Gagnon?

  Let's be realistic.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  Hypothetically speaking, if they are, why leave the house?

• 3:17Speaker 00

  It's like, every day, Super Bowl. There's nothing you would need to do in life. Damn.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  What was that sound?

• 3:26Speaker 01

  That's my jaw hard.

• 3:27Speaker 00

  Okay, so can we talk about this man, this brutal disease that he has, that allows you to just fucking be yourself at all times?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Can we explain?

• 3:36Mark Gagnon?

  My bad Tourette's people, wasn't making fun of y'all.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Well, here's the thing with the Tourette's people, like, how often is it that they just yell this? Cause I saw that one Tourette's girl on Instagram.

• 3:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I still think it's fake.

• 3:48Speaker 00

  So, so that's the thing, like, how much of it is, like, leaning into it? Do you don't think there's a little part of them who's, like, telling his boys, like, I'm gonna fucking say it? The second, the second two black guys are up there, I'm gonna say it.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  We gotta check the Kausi odds, cause there's one person who's like, oh, as they screamed the N-word during the BAFTA awards?

• 4:03Speaker 00

  And it was 10 million they put on it.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  They're like, oh, random accounts drop 10 mil on it?

• 4:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, we gotta check that.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  No, there's no way. I hope, I hope to God, there's no way. I hope to God there's no... So is it racism?

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Uh...

• 4:15Speaker 00

  Or... Go, go, go.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Or what?

• 4:17Speaker 00

  Or is it that thing where you're like, we all think of the worst thing you could possibly do in a moment?

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:22Speaker 00

  Right? You're at a funeral, and you're like, oh, God. And like, you start kinda giggling to yourself because it would be really inappropriate if you did something.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  If you what?

• 4:31Speaker 00

  I just screamed the amber. Like, wouldn't that be really inappropriate?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  That would be really appropriate.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  That would be really fucked up. And none of us would do that. I'd never had that thought.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 4:40Speaker 00

  You know way more dead people.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Okay, I know some.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  You've been to way more funerals than me.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  I've been to a handful, yeah. But I wouldn't ever say that. I would never yell that at a funeral.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  There's no, there's no proof that you haven't done it.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Hmm. No, there's people that have been to these funerals that would testify on behalf.

• 4:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, they probably testify because you got a bunch of fucking lying Catholics in your family. Nobody's gonna trust that goy slap testimony.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Okay, hold on a second. Alright, anyway.

• 5:04Speaker 00

  Nobody's gonna trust that goy slap. You're gonna go up there?

• 5:06Speaker 01

  We can agree you shouldn't do it at a funeral, no matter what.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  I don't think you should do it in any situation.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:12Speaker 00

  Now, if you know that there was a chance you were gonna do this, would you show up to the award show?

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Hmm. I mean, it's his award show also. Like, it was for the movie that he was in.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Or that was based on a. It was made about him. Yeah, but like, if you know that this could happen, and it might overshadow this beautiful movie that was made about you, would you do it? Remember when we would go?

• 5:35Speaker 01

  What about like a dog muzzle?

• 5:39Speaker 00

  And then, no matter what word you say, it turns it into not the amber. Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 00

  Well.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  A potential.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  We had a show.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  It's a potential fix.

• 5:47Speaker 00

  It could work. We had a show, shout out, uh, it was in, it was in California somewhere, I forget, I'm pretty sure.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  It was upstate.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  Oh, it was upstate?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, my bad. Anyway, we had a show and there was a woman who had Tourette's. And I think it was apparent pretty early.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  She disclosed it to the club.

• 6:03Speaker 00

  She disclosed it to the club.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:05Speaker 00

  And what, uh, what I said to Dove was, I was like, look, here's the deal. I want you guys to enjoy the show. My fear is that if you start having the, the tics, it might interrupt the show and interrupt the other people who are able, you know, who came here to go watch the show. And you might also feel embarrassed. I'm gonna have to address it and I don't want to embarrass it. Like, it might be a whole thing.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  Would you be down to watch the show side stage? So we're like, able to put her side stage, some might say a better seat.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  You put her in the colors only section, bro. That's crazy.

• 6:38Speaker 00

  The, the fact that you would assume.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  That's crazy, bro.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. You would, you would make it racial, Al.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  This whole thing is racial, man. I'm traumatized.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  He was yelling.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  His whole.

• 6:54Speaker 00

  How the hell did he not just yell whatever race the rest of the presenters were to even it out?

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Well, apparently he did say some other slurs, or not slurs, but throughout.

• 7:02Speaker 00

  But he has to slur it every time.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah, you have to follow it up with another slur just to get it off you, being like, oh, I'm not always racist.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  Like if Alan Cummings is up there, what would you say?

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Well, he is Scottish.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, so what would you say? What would you be?

• 7:21Speaker 00

  Think about something Scottish. Oh, hey, look at you.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  That's a good, that's a Scottish slur, like he could say that.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  I like Alan Cummings too much, but I can't say it.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  No, Alan Cummings is the man.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  I know, he's dope. I love him.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  But there's no way a tick goes off, like every time Alan coming, like even hearing that, I'm ticking, right? Like, I want to let something loose. Has anybody ever told them to not say it, like try to not say it?

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Hmm, but that probably makes you want to say it more. Yeah. Because I've heard people say that it's like an OCD thing where you're like, oh, don't say the worst thing, and then you say the worst thing, it comes out.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  That does, that is true.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  So if you say, don't say it, it's the worst thing, you almost have to say, hey, say whatever you want, and then they, the OCD will go away.

• 8:13Speaker 00

  And then someone said that to him, and he was like, fine, this has nothing to do with Tourette's.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  It's like telling you something off pot and then.

• 8:20Speaker 00

  Don't bring it up?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 00

  You're saying I do that? Give me one instance. Give me one instance where I've, where I've personal information for the entire internet.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  All my past relationships.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  But not this current one.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Not this current one, yeah.

• 8:35Speaker 00

  I don't say anything about her.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Because I don't tell you shit anymore.

• 8:36Speaker 00

  No, I don't say anything about her visa issues. I don't say anything about her visa issues.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  She's talking about the credit card, you know? Yeah, yeah. Hey, you know, she is a spender.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  Is she a spender?

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Nah, nah, never.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  Do you ever in a fight bring that up?

• 8:52Speaker 00

  In a fight with her, do you ever just, you'll never in a fight just play fucking Villainal Ice?

• 8:57Mark Gagnon?

  Guys, right now, there's Ice and Trump around, it's not, it's not, it's not.

• 9:03Speaker 00

  It's not funny. But she never brings up shit in a fight? Oh, your dick gets skinnier as it goes to the base.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Factual observation.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  She never brings that up? Like, you talk about that. Why does your dick get skinnier as it goes to the base? It's your torpedo looking dick. I don't want to open up another WTF studio where this torpedo looking dick has an ass. And then you never want to say anything?

• 9:24Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, it's like, uh, the middle porridge, it's just right. It's just right.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  I knew where you were going with that.

• 9:30Mark Gagnon?

  I think so.

• 9:31Speaker 00

  I knew your favorite.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  He invents new phrases every day.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's awesome. His favorite Jewish bears. Perfect goyslop to get you to just do, no. It's the Berenstain Bears.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  It's Goldilocks.

• 9:41Mark Gagnon?

  No, Goldilocks.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  Well, isn't that also their thing? Gold and locks?

• 9:48Mark Gagnon?

  That's good. That's good.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Off the cuff racism.

• 9:57Speaker 00

  Doesn't matter what fucking bear it is. Wait, were they even, was Goldilocks a bear?

• 10:02Speaker 01

  There were bears involved, but I don't know what their religion was. We have no, don't do that.

• 10:07Speaker 00

  I mean, what does Dove's name mean?

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Okay, technically that means bear.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  I'm just saying, guys, do the math.

• 10:13Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 10:13Speaker 00

  Don't let me start talking about the Ninja Turtles, Mark. Mark, don't let me start talking about the Ninja Turtles.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  That one I think you're fine to talk about. It's technically not racist.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  Hold on, I'm sending it to Joey right now. Don't let me talk about the Ninja Turtles.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  He sent me the two in the morning last night.

• 10:27Speaker 00

  Don't let me, not, I wasn't getting radicalized.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  At 2 a.m., dude.

• 10:31Speaker 00

  I wasn't getting radicalized because my wife is sleeping in the other room with the newborn and I'm by myself to scroll as long as my fucking heart's desire. And I'm getting.

• 10:39Mark Gagnon?

  That's a nice scroll right there.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Unlimited doom scroll.

• 10:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're on your own.

• 10:43Mark Gagnon?

  What you got, what you got?

• 10:44Speaker 00

  I'm just saying, don't let me get started about the indoctrination. Indoctrination. Indoctrination.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  It's the indoctrination, because what is it?

• 10:54Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  Do the math. Here it is.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a show about reptiles. Reptilians, living underground, in underground tunnels. What food do they like the most? Pizza. Pizza is code word for pedophiles. Their connection with April is their connection to the mainstream media. How they influence the masses from behind the scenes. So Shredder, we owe you an apology fam. These writers just put it in front of our faces for too long.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  So.

• 11:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, Egg's spitting.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  Shout out Egg.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  I mean, a few things. I don't think turtles are reptiles.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  I think they're amphibians.

• 11:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're definitely amphibians.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  What do you mean definitely? I thought you said this to hear a fucking reptile.

• 11:47Speaker 00

  Well, I would be a reptile to an amphibian. Obviously, they had to throw the scent off the trail. You think they're gonna actually put a reptile under there? That would be too obvious.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Pizza's not, I mean, pizza's code word for something else used by the PDFs.

• 12:02Mark Gagnon?

  And turtles went into a lot of pizza.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  And what about April? What about their connection to April?

• 12:08Speaker 01

  I don't know what April is.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  April is, oh my god, Mark.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  I didn't watch this show.

• 12:13Speaker 00

  Have a childhood.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  I didn't watch.

• 12:14Speaker 00

  Can you have a childhood?

• 12:15Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna watch this satanic pedophile show.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  Have a childhood.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  I've watched other stuff.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  Rachel.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Nope, hand from the top.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  Rachel was a badass ginger.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Her name's April. What the fuck are you reading?

• 12:30Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, dude, he's really, he's losing it.

• 12:31Speaker 00

  I'm losing it, bro.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  I think my Tourette's is really taking over, to be honest with you.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I'm saying it kinda wrong.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Badass ginger.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Named?

• 12:40Speaker 00

  April.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  Worked for the media. Was doing propaganda for the Ninja Turtles.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. What channel? Channel 6. 666.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 12:52Speaker 00

  Devil's number.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Do the math.

• 12:57Speaker 00

  Dude, man.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  How do we start on this?

• 13:00Speaker 00

  I don't, we're talking about BAFTA. Can we get some AC in here?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Get some BAFTA, dude.

• 13:04Mark Gagnon?

  This guy has like stage four, right?

• 13:08Speaker 00

  Aw, man, Al.

• 13:09Mark Gagnon?

  Got to.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  Al, come on.

• 13:11Mark Gagnon?

  He got to.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  He might just have alopecia.

• 13:13Speaker 00

  You know what he looks like? Do you remember Harry Potter when the guy takes off the turban?

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Yo, he's on the back of the Sorcerer's Stone.

• 13:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 00

  Professor Coral? Yep. He got a little of that look, but he's spitting right now.

• 13:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:25Speaker 00

  He is spitting right now.

• 13:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but he ain't even mentioned the tunnels in the rats.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  He did.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  He did, he mentioned the tunnels.

• 13:31Mark Gagnon?

  I missed, I missed that.

• 13:32Speaker 00

  You did miss it, yeah.

• 13:32Mark Gagnon?

  I couldn't get past the no eyebrows. That shit is crazy.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  You're a little goy brain. You can't handle this kind of next level information. He's just ascending, bro. He's ascending right now. What do we do about the guy with Tourette's? Do we forgive him because this is an illness that he did not ask to have? Is it actual racism? I've heard a lot of people saying that it is actually racist and we're not going to forgive him for having Tourette's.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I think both things can be true. I think they could be legitimately offended if they choose to be.

• 13:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  But also.

• 14:00Mark Gagnon?

  I was offended.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  You were?

• 14:02Mark Gagnon?

  Secondhand offense, yep.

• 14:03Speaker 00

  Tell us what it felt like.

• 14:06Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't see the clip, actually.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  All right, well, let's see how offended you are. Go ahead, roll the clip.

• 14:11Mark Gagnon?

  Wow, you gonna subject me to that again?

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Again?

• 14:14Speaker 00

  What do you mean again?

• 14:15Speaker 01

  You said you didn't see the clip.

• 14:15Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, well.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  They lie.

• 14:17Mark Gagnon?

  For a second time, for every shit.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  They lie.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  Y'all are allowed to be presenting the first BAFTA of the night for a vital part of movie making.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  We're here to us.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  That's not funny, guys.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  That's not funny, bro. That's not funny.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  That's not funny.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  That's great, he's screaming.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  He waited for the beep.

• 14:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  He waited for a moment of silence.

• 14:40Mark Gagnon?

  That is not Tourette's, bro.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  Come on. Because if Tourette's is involuntary, why you waiting for the moment of silence?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, the beat drop.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  The beat drop.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  You're gonna tell me that guy's racist with that perfect a timing? There's no way.

• 14:49Speaker 00

  And what Tourette's is you screaming at the top of your lungs?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  That is a great point. He could have whispered it, he could have sent it into his shirt.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  He's like, nah, I'm watching it here, I ain't mic'd up.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  And everybody heard. When was the last time you heard anyone in the audience at one of these award shows? They don't even mic the audience. I bet they had a mic on him.

• 15:10Speaker 00

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• 15:59Speaker 01

  That ass, what are you doing if you're sitting next to him?

• 16:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  And he just yells, everyone turns around and they're looking at, they don't know who said it.

• 16:07Mark Gagnon?

  Start pointing fast.

• 16:13Speaker 00

  That's like those twin NBA players and one of them was gay.

• 16:18Speaker 00

  Remember the Collins brothers? Yeah, that's a tricky one.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  What do you do? Do you act offended?

• 16:25Speaker 00

  When he, if he just yells it?

• 16:26Speaker 01

  He yells it, everyone looks back, they go, who said it? And then what, do you sell him out? You sell the guy with a disability?

• 16:32Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  What do you do? Go ahead.

• 16:34Speaker 00

  I'm selling him out.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Immediately?

• 16:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  You go, right here, he did it.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  He did it.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  I don't even know what I would do in that situation, Mark. That is terrifying.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  I would be offended. I would start crying. There we go. In solidarity.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  You would cry in solidarity?

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, during Black History Month.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  Would you cover his mouth? Would you put your hand over his mouth?

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Put him in a chokehold, dude.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Would you?

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Yes, dude, yes, it's Black History Month. I'm not gonna let him yell that.

• 16:57Mark Gagnon?

  You can't harm the disabled.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna harm him, dude.

• 16:59Speaker 00

  What are, what are the, also, also.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  The no harming the disabled is the physically, right?

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:07Speaker 00

  Disabled.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 17:09Speaker 00

  No, like if you're someone who was battling like just you yell things, you can still fight that person. That's not like that.

• 17:16Mark Gagnon?

  It's uncontrollable.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, but if they're a jerk when they are mean to be.

• 17:21Mark Gagnon?

  I'm still not, I'm still not a hundred percent sure.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Black people don't believe it. You're like a truther for Tourette's.

• 17:27Speaker 00

  It's interesting.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  He has Tourette's.

• 17:29Speaker 00

  If he said anything else, like if it was fucking like Simuloo up there accepting it for like the Five Rings movie or whatever that was.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Asian accent?

• 17:37Speaker 00

  Dog sauce or whatever, like there's no, do you think that, do you think the black people would be outraged by it? Or would they be like, yeah, we gotta find someone with Tourette's. This motherfucker is crazy.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Him to the crew.

• 17:49Mark Gagnon?

  We need black people with Tourette's. I, we don't get no shows or anything like that. That would be funny.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Do they make black people Tourette's? Do they have that?

• 17:57Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. I don't think we come in Tourette's.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Hmm, maybe not yet. Maybe you guys are still getting on.

• 18:02Mark Gagnon?

  See, we gotta hop onto the bandwagon.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  Can we find a black guy with Tourette's on the internet?

• 18:05Mark Gagnon?

  That's why you know it's fake.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  I, I saw a guy who was do like an Instagram. I think his name is.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Does the animals?

• 18:10Speaker 00

  No.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  No, no. Wait, why?

• 18:13Speaker 01

  What? There's a black dude with autism that does the animals.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  No, not autism. He had, this guy had, has Tourette's.

• 18:17Mark Gagnon?

  That was a little.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy, Mark. How's that crazy?

• 18:20Mark Gagnon?

  Black dudes, animals? Like that was, that was.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  He does animal sounds. He does perfect animal sounds.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Did you just have Tourette's right now?

• 18:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Wait, yes I did. Yes I did. Yeah. I had Tourette's. Yeah, yeah. Get that Joe freak.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Yo. That is it? Yeah.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  Where did your brain go? Why, why did your brain jump to that?

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Cause I thought you were talking about a black dude with a disability. That's very fun and awesome on the internet.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  Oh, no. No, no, no.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  And so I was gonna throw it in there. Maybe we're gonna, I was gonna algorithm you.

• 18:48Speaker 00

  Do you know who has Tourette's? Uh, is, um, yeah, this is the guy, New York City Public Defender, I think is his name. And he was, he was talking about it, but he was talking about it and cause he has it, but then he didn't have any ticks during it.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that can happen.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  Which is also can happen.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Maybe edit it out.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  It's a tragic. Now, you told me that there was an edit made to this and this was not the edit.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Well, that I think is ultimately where the blame should lie. I don't think we need to blame a disabled guy for having to take. I also don't think we should blame these guys for being offended if they were offended.

• 19:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  I think ultimately it falls on the BBC.

• 19:21Mark Gagnon?

  Big Black Hawk?

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Nope, the British broadcast.

• 19:23Mark Gagnon?

  Was that another thing he yelled out during?

• 19:27Speaker 00

  Oh, this is a British thing?

• 19:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  The BAFTA? Why we care about this? I thought this was like a Black American Film and Television Association. I thought it was like a...

• 19:37Speaker 01

  BET?

• 19:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. I thought it was BET. What did you guys think it was?

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Nah, bro.

• 19:45Speaker 00

  I thought it was Black American Film and Television Association and that's why I thought it was a big deal. You got a white guy here trying to give him an award, make him feel inclusive and he's yelling the N-word at the black award show.

• 19:54Speaker 06

  You thought that Alan Cumming to the BET Awards?

• 19:58Speaker 00

  He's gay, I don't know. What is he, gay?

• 20:01Speaker 01

  The gays, they do be saying...

• 20:03Speaker 00

  The gays can do whatever.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  They're like, "Ruth Paul's not around, we'll get Alan Cumming."

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Gays are like, whatever the blood is, we could all use.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Oh?

• 20:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, they fit in wherever. It's a universal donor.

• 20:14Mark Gagnon?

  They do need some O blood.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  God!

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Okay, damn!

• 20:18Speaker 00

  Ow, so what's that?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Tourette's.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  How are we gonna judge them when our whole show is Tourette's? The whole basis of our show is Tourette's Syndrome. What you feel, you say.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yes. Now, if you were at the BAFTA Awards?

• 20:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  And you were sitting next to this guy and he yelled it?

• 20:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Would you take responsibility? Would you say, "Actually, it was me." "Guys, it was me."

• 20:37Speaker 00

  Would you bail him out if you were his homie?

• 20:38Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm clutching my pearls.

• 20:42Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I'm selling it.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  How the fuck did he not like...

• 20:46Mark Gagnon?

  I'm suing, I'm getting sued, come on.

• 20:48Speaker 06

  You're your best friend.

• 20:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  You're your best friend. Okay, um, yeah, I didn't know that it was a British thing. Okay, that's, uh...

• 20:55Mark Gagnon?

  So now you don't give a fuck about it?

• 20:57Speaker 00

  Well, nah, it's like, did they even use that word over there? I thought that was our word. Like, don't they have their own word?

• 21:01Speaker 06

  Well, that's the crazy part, he's Scottish screaming it.

• 21:03Speaker 00

  Oh, don't bring that into it.

• 21:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 00

  Don't bring him being Scottish. Oh, it's our fault! You see? Oh, it's our fault! My people are responsible.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Fuckers?

• 21:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  That hurt. Tourette's.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Now, just in defense of sheep shagging.

• 21:25Speaker 00

  If there was an animal that you were gonna do it to, I think it's undeniably the sheep. Cheeky. Very cheeky. Caked up crazy. You've seen those videos of the wagon just whipping back and forth. Right? And it's got a built-in washcloth.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:42Mark Gagnon?

  What about, damn, this is gonna be rough. What about the orangutan with the fat pussy?

• 21:52Speaker 00

  Well, yo, man.

• 21:54Mark Gagnon?

  Tourette's.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Hey, man.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Tourette's.

• 21:56Mark Gagnon?

  Tourette's.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  I gotta block myself from whatever Al says in the rest of the episode. This shield is here. Tourette's, Al's, Tourette's.

• 22:05Mark Gagnon?

  No, we've seen the, pull up what Al said. Pull up what Al said, which I fully disagree with. Rather, I'll reserve judgment until I see.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Good God, Al.

• 22:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, also, why you brought up the youngest sheep possible? Like, bring up some.

• 22:18Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Joey, you with lamb?

• 22:21Speaker 00

  Been looking at J-mail for the last two weeks. Nah, bro, that's.

• 22:26Mark Gagnon?

  That's my.

• 22:27Speaker 00

  There it is.

• 22:27Mark Gagnon?

  That's my Malin sheep.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Look at that Malin sheep with the BBL.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, why are they brushing it like that?

• 22:33Speaker 00

  They know what they doing.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Unconsensual.

• 22:35Speaker 00

  Look at them. They know what they doing, bro.

• 22:37Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, nah, wait.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  That's too youthful.

• 22:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Why are they smacking it like that?

• 22:42Speaker 00

  You gotta let them grow.

• 22:43Mark Gagnon?

  They gotta, they gotta.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  That's lamb chops. You need, you need to let that thing grow a little bit. Joey, take this fucking video off the screen, you weirdo.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  What the hell?

• 22:54Speaker 00

  All right, let's see.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Oh!

• 22:56Speaker 00

  That's what, that's what you want more than anything?

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Al, that's. Al.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Al, what the fuck are you?

• 23:07Mark Gagnon?

  Three titties.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 23:09Mark Gagnon?

  Well, that's one better than what I used.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 23:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'll take it.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Al.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  You gotta stand on this, bro.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  No, we need twenty toes down. Final wallet. Final wallet.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Stand on it, Al.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  Final wallet. That's what you. That's what you want, Al. That shit look like tobacco.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  They're old prune, bro. That's crazy.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  That's in a first baseman's lip. Al, that's what you're desiring over some nice sheep?

• 23:42Speaker 01

  That looks like Alex's elbow, bro. That's crazy. Let that happen, dude.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  So things make me uncomfortable.

• 23:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's crazy. They got moisturized.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  Al gonna go home tonight and just fucking cheat off.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Come on, I can't even bro that up. Yo, you well for that?

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Al, where did this even come on your screen that you've been thinking about it so long?

• 24:09Speaker 01

  I see where the thought process went.

• 24:09Mark Gagnon?

  It's Tourette's.

• 24:12Speaker 00

  Now you were by yourself looking at the internet, man. Look at her tearing that thing open.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  Got a twig in there.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Watching Animal Planet.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  Damn. Miles had to take the long way back.

• 24:30Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, he just rubbled out.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  I need a walk. I need a walk. Ew, top left. Ew, don't click it. Don't click it. All right.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  What's she screaming right there?

• 24:43Speaker 00

  Anyway, point is, point is, point is, is that even Gavin Newsom has Tourette's moments. I think we can acknowledge that as a group, as a family.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:54Speaker 00

  Al, this is-

• 24:55Mark Gagnon?

  I've been waiting. I didn't wa- I didn't watch it because I want to have an honest reaction.

• 24:59Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. We can pull it up.

• 25:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  So Gavin Newsom is in a little bit of trouble because he was speaking in Atlanta and he was doing a, you know, traditional politician pander tactic.

• 25:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you guys really loved this video. What you love about it so much?

• 25:17Speaker 01

  I mean, it's pretty funny.

• 25:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah?

• 25:19Speaker 00

  This is the next president of the United States.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  It's pretty funny.

• 25:21Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay. Let's see. Let's see.

• 25:23Speaker 07

  I didn't press upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you, you know? I'm a 960 SAT guy.

• 25:34Speaker 07

  And, you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to act all there if you got 940.

• 25:42Speaker 07

  But literally a 960 SAT guy. I cannot, you've never seen me read a speech. Because I cannot read a speech.

• 25:54Speaker 07

  Maybe the wrong business to be in.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  I mean, dude. Now, we should say, he has a disability. He's dyslexic.

• 26:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, stop making fun of him.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Exactly, he's a disability. Okay, which I think makes this more offensive. Cause he's like, "I have a disability, which makes me dumb, but you guys are just dumb." I'm like, "Guys, I'm just saying." "Hey, I'm just like you, because I have a mental condition that stops me from being able to read and do math." "So that's why I got a 960 on my SATs." Bro, it's so bad.

• 26:22Mark Gagnon?

  I hate when politicians try to black it up. Like even the way he's speaking and the mannerisms, like, "Why are you doing that?" "I hate this shit."

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Wait, did you feel that he was trying to black it up there?

• 26:32Mark Gagnon?

  I love it.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Oh, I didn't get that.

• 26:34Mark Gagnon?

  Like, when he talked to the crowd, he's like...

• 26:36Speaker 00

  Start it from the very beginning. See if there's any, the very beginning of the video, cause you missed his first line.

• 26:41Speaker 07

  "I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you."

• 26:45Mark Gagnon?

  Pause.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  That's kind of, yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Bar or what?

• 26:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 26:55Mark Gagnon?

  I can respect what respect is due, I was kind of...

• 26:59Speaker 00

  He did rap a little bit, though.

• 27:02Mark Gagnon?

  "I'm not trying to impress, I'm trying to impress upon you." I said that to a bitch one day.

• 27:10Mark Gagnon?

  "Well, I was pressing up for that that night."

• 27:14Speaker 00

  Jesus, Al. Stop talking about fornicating, man. You got a fiance, bro.

• 27:18Mark Gagnon?

  Son, it's my past.

• 27:20Speaker 00

  Nah, bro. We don't bring up our past on this podcast, you know?

• 27:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, we don't?

• 27:23Speaker 00

  We never talk about that. Never talk about that. Al, you were making a point. You don't like it when white politicians tend to "black it up," is that the term? Or urban it up.

• 27:38Mark Gagnon?

  Perform for black people.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 27:41Mark Gagnon?

  Like, just be yourself. We respect it more.

• 27:44Speaker 00

  And why do you think that they think that that works?

• 27:47Mark Gagnon?

  I honestly don't know. Maybe it does. Or maybe they think it does. I honestly don't know.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  Now, in Newsom's defense right there, again, I maybe I'm not the target demo for this, but I didn't feel like he was really doing that.

• 28:02Mark Gagnon?

  Doing what?

• 28:03Speaker 00

  Like trying to talk hood or like.

• 28:06Mark Gagnon?

  Keep playing just a little bit more like, once he starts talking to the crowd.

• 28:10Speaker 07

  I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960 SAT guy.

• 28:20Speaker 07

  And, you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to act all there if you got nine.

• 28:25Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not trying to act all there. Like, I feel like it's a little.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  There's a clip of him today with Usher, and he's emoting.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Okay, go, go, go.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  He's hitting the emotes big time.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  It's also just kind of hilarious, like Newsom just doesn't have any clue. Like, I think if, the idea is that he's in Atlanta, right? This is, I don't even know if the crowd is super diverse. I think people are kind of making some guesses about that. It might not just be black people, and I think maybe that's what the internet is running with. So maybe that's not fair. But like, the assumption, let's say, well, so let's say it is, like, the assumption that the SAT scores, but I think black women are like the most highly educated group in America, like, percentage-wise. Do you know what I mean? So this idea, it's like, that's how he's connecting? It's like, you're actually connecting the wrong way? Like, you should be like, yeah, I went to college, I furthered my education, like all of you guys do. I want to show that I know this about you, but the opposite. He's like, hey, we can't read, right?

• 29:22Speaker 01

  I mean, it's just bad. And then he's hanging with Usher, trying to, all right, let's see this. You tell me if I'm reading into this.

• 29:29Mark Gagnon?

  Look at him.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  That was like.

• 29:34Mark Gagnon?

  With the hand, watch the hand. Man, fuck out of here.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  Come on, see? Can a white boy have some motion? Cause he was like trying to give that, he wasn't sure if he was going, so then he's like. Can a white boy have some motion though?

• 29:49Mark Gagnon?

  He don't got motion though. He don't, so just, just be yourself.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Yo, can I, can I just say this though, is that code switching is kinda awesome. Code switching is kinda fun.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  Thank you!

• 30:01Speaker 01

  A little.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Thank you, finally!

• 30:04Speaker 01

  A little.

• 30:04Mark Gagnon?

  Keep going.

• 30:05Speaker 00

  Finally!

• 30:06Mark Gagnon?

  Go on that.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  You go to Japan.

• 30:07Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And all of a sudden you start talking a little Japanese. You wanna be offensive, but it just kinda, it just seeps in.

• 30:12Speaker 00

  I 100% would do that. It was the only way I could get the, uh, the cab drivers to know where we were going. I would, I would say where we were going in English, in their accent.

• 30:20Mark Gagnon?

  That shit don't work.

• 30:21Speaker 00

  Al?

• 30:22Mark Gagnon?

  It does not work.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  I swear to God. I swear to God in my life, it works 100% of the time.

• 30:30Mark Gagnon?

  You know why it worked? Cause you entered the address in Uber and it already knew where you were going.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  They didn't have Uber when I was there. You go there, like a guy comes in a taxi and like picks you up and takes you where it is. And if the guy at the hotel doesn't tell him, you gotta tell him. And I would fucking tell him. I would do it.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Don't ask him how to do it.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  I would do it every single time.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Don't, no.

• 30:49Mark Gagnon?

  I kinda wanna know.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  You can't.

• 30:51Mark Gagnon?

  Cause Japanese is different from Chinese.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  But it's actually the same.

• 30:58Speaker 00

  Macaduner.

• 31:02Mark Gagnon?

  That's what you use E?

• 31:04Speaker 00

  Macaduner.

• 31:05Mark Gagnon?

  See, that'd be easy for him to know.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  If we're going shopping, whatever it is, I would say the place and I would say it in a Japanese accent and 100% of the time it works. I hated that they rewarded my racism. I didn't wanna be racist. I tried to say it in English.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Disgusted you.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  It disgusted me. I was repulsed by it. But I still had to get my wife to these places that she desperately wanted to go to.

• 31:28Mark Gagnon?

  Arcade. Arcade. Why are you going to an arcade?

• 31:33Speaker 00

  Shibuya, Shibuya, Shibuya Crossing. Shibuya Crossing.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  That one is Japanese. That one's fine. That one's, you're good with.

• 31:41Speaker 00

  Shibuya Crossing.

• 31:42Mark Gagnon?

  That one's fine.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  Shifty's leaving, we're insulting his anime. We're insulting the anime people.

• 31:48Mark Gagnon?

  He's like, nah, my wife.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  You go to France?

• 31:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  All of a sudden you talk with like a little French accent, you do some.

• 31:55Mark Gagnon?

  What's the?

• 31:56Speaker 01

  That's a French dog.

• 31:58Mark Gagnon?

  I've never seen him go.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Papoucine. You just, you do a little bit when you're around.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  I agree with this.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  I'm not saying this is right. It might not even be ethical.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  It's high level communication. It's what smart people do to communicate in the world that they live in.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Okay, that's going to go D.

• 32:12Mark Gagnon?

  Wait a minute, he might be on.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  But it just is fun to code switch.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  It's why I appreciate southerners so much. Southerners refuse to code switch.

• 32:21Mark Gagnon?

  So now you're saying the opposite of what you just?

• 32:23Speaker 00

  Yes, that's the pod.

• 32:27Speaker 00

  People with a southern accent, people with a southern accent cannot change their accent. They cannot do a New York accent. They cannot do a California accent. They are locked in to that southern drawl. There's nothing they can do about it. Name one.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Maury Wallen, he busted it out.

• 32:46Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, that was a southern. That was a southern N word.

• 32:50Speaker 00

  Technically, that's their word. I feel like if anything, he went back to his roots.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Have you heard a southern guy start talking like northeast?

• 33:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  Haven't done it.

• 33:03Mark Gagnon?

  Can't do it.

• 33:03Speaker 00

  Northeast folks go down south all of a sudden. We're saying y'all a little bit more.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  You don't like saying a little y'all?

• 33:08Speaker 00

  Y'all. Sup, y'all?

• 33:10Mark Gagnon?

  I tried, but nah, because being from New York is a shit.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. Every place is awesome.

• 33:15Mark Gagnon?

  I ain't trying to be like these fucking.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  French?

• 33:18Mark Gagnon?

  French.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  I missed it. I was kidding. I did, I did miss it. I'm very good.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  But that's just the only thing in defense of Gavin. But it is very corny when he's doing it because it's one thing to code switch a little. It's another thing to be like, yo, I'm black, dude. I financed a Hellcat. Dude, you can't, don't say that shit. That's where it's bad.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  Hey, why, why, what made you come up with that example?

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Well, it was one, it was a funny tweet that I saw. And two, it's like, he's trying to commiserate on bad stereotypes. Yeah, I'm like, you guys, I can't read.

• 33:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  You're like, what? If he was like, yo, I'm like you guys, I like.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Let's go back to that Hellcat comment.

• 33:56Mark Gagnon?

  I know, right?

• 33:58Speaker 00

  What you mean by that?

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Well, there's a stereotype within the black community that a lot of black rappers specifically love Hellcats.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  Is that right?

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  Oh, no way.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  I didn't know that.

• 34:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I think it's a southern thing.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  Is it? Yeah, what do they got, Cybertrucks up here?

• 34:13Mark Gagnon?

  Actually, yeah, me and Yayo got one.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  No way. Yeah. Yayo got one?

• 34:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  But yeah, y'all people, you know.

• 34:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Y'all people, southerners.

• 34:22Speaker 00

  Anyway, do we forgive him? Do we forgive Gavin, our next president?

• 34:26Mark Gagnon?

  He just gotta cut it out.

• 34:27Speaker 00

  You think he's winning?

• 34:29Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm, too early to tell. I'm still thinking AOC.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  What's up with John Ossoff?

• 34:37Speaker 00

  Watch John Ossoff come out of nowhere.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  White Obama?

• 34:40Speaker 00

  It's White Obama.

• 34:41Mark Gagnon?

  Stop it.

• 34:42Speaker 00

  He got, he got the look, he got the hair, he's slender.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  He's from the south.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  He's from the south. He knows how to talk that shit.

• 34:50Mark Gagnon?

  Obama was from Chicago.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  What? Say again?

• 34:52Mark Gagnon?

  Obama was from Chicago.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're saying John Ossoff.

• 34:55Speaker 00

  No, you, if you're a white guy, you gotta be from the south. Cause the only way to make the, it's the only way to make the Republicans feel comfy. It's like Talarico is a Democrat, but he knows Christianity better than any of his competitors. So he can evoke that in his messaging.

• 35:10Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 35:11Speaker 00

  It's incredibly effective.

• 35:12Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Wasn't Clinton from the south?

• 35:14Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Jimmy Carter from the south?

• 35:15Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Like white Dems.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  You need, you need to go, yeah.

• 35:19Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, I didn't know that.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  I mean, Biden got the, the cosign from, from Barack, you know, which maybe got him over the hump. But it's, it's hard to be a, it's hard out here for whites from the north, bro. Yo, it's hard out for these northern whites, man, to win a fucking presidency? So John Ossoff, watch John Ossoff.

• 35:37Mark Gagnon?

  It's so hard.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  Any talking that Epstein shit.

• 35:39Mark Gagnon?

  It's so hard for Trump to do it twice.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  Son, these whites never win a fucking election.

• 35:44Mark Gagnon?

  It's so hard to do.

• 35:46Speaker 00

  Can we name one white person that's won multiple elections from the north? Yo, did you know the Bushes are from Ohio?

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then they kind of.

• 35:54Mark Gagnon?

  I thought they were from Texas.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  They kind of faked the Texas thing a little bit.

• 35:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really?

• 35:57Speaker 00

  No, don't fall for it, Al.

• 36:00Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so he's just pretending to be a retard?

• 36:04Speaker 00

  That was offensive. I hope Leslie Wexner handles you.

• 36:09Mark Gagnon?

  Ohio Twins or Texans?

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Connecticut.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  What's calc you got Gavin Newsom at?

• 36:16Mark Gagnon?

  See, he's up, up.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Twenty-eight percent.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  Twenty-eight percent trending down. AOC trending up ten percent.

• 36:23Mark Gagnon?

  I'm telling you, AOC.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  John Ossoff at seven percent. Watch, watch for Ossoff.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Oh, Kamala, seven percent? If Kamala does a, runs it back?

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, she probably got it this time. Yeah, she probably got, I think Kamala got it this time.

• 36:40Mark Gagnon?

  If she speaks up, I think she has a chance.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Really?

• 36:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  If she speaks up?

• 36:46Mark Gagnon?

  Because she was like held back by Biden.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:48Mark Gagnon?

  Like she speaks up.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  I think that was, that was the issue.

• 36:53Mark Gagnon?

  She was a loyal person and loyal to her fault. So now she gotta stand up on her own toes, tell us what she really feels.

• 36:59Speaker 00

  She feels, yeah.

• 37:00Mark Gagnon?

  And I think maybe, you know, it might be different.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  I think that, yeah, I think it was just Biden. I think it was just Biden holding her back, yeah. Yeah, I think that was probably, it was just Biden holding that.

• 37:10Mark Gagnon?

  You know? Well, it's always a white man, always, it's always a white man.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Not funding turning Gaza into a parking lot. That probably has nothing to do with it. It's probably Biden or those podcast guys.

• 37:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  It was probably those podcast guys.

• 37:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, she should have came, oh yeah, she should have came.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Nothing to do with what Gaza looks like at all and having no opinions about it. That's probably, that's probably the podcast guys.

• 37:33Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're right.

• 37:35Mark Gagnon?

  Can't talk politics, man.

• 37:36Speaker 00

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• 38:21Speaker 00

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• 41:03Speaker 00

  Can we talk about the Olympics a little bit? Yes. And how quickly it just became culture war. How annoying is this? Yeah.

• 41:13Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, isn't the Olympics always culture war?

• 41:15Speaker 00

  No, like the idea with sports is that you can like put certain things aside. Yes, it is in terms of like historically, but it's often like geopolitical culture war, right? It's like America versus this country that we were either at war with or we're about to go to war with or were in war with in the past.

• 41:31Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  And now it feels like it's like internal struggle, right?

• 41:36Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so tell me about that. I didn't see that. I just see everybody saying, oh, Canada sucked our dicks.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, we beat Canada in hockey. Far. You know, which is, I mean, I've been a huge hockey fan my whole life, so this is a huge, this is a big deal for me.

• 41:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you guys are going crazy in the group chat. I was like, I cannot give a shit.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  I jumped up and I threw my hat and my wife was looking at me like, you've never watched a hockey match in your entire life. And I'm like, I know, but America won. And I know how much Canada wanted it and we just snatched that bitch out of there. And it was, and low key, and I don't want to take anything away from the US team, but like... It wasn't looking great. No. Like, I watched the game.

• 42:16Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, we was down?

• 42:17Speaker 00

  No, we weren't down. We were up, actually.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  They just had a lot of opportunities.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, Canada had a lot. They played fucking great. I mean, the Americans are dogs. I don't want to be having this take right now. I wanted to come out here and be like, yo, we fucking dog walk them. They're a bunch of pussies. They suck, whatever. But like, they, Canada played fucking great. The US played amazing.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  The goalie played.

• 42:36Speaker 00

  Lights out. Nah, the goalie was amazing, this guy.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  But, yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Absolutely. And they were all at 11 last night. They're probably still there. The flight got diverted to the best city to fuck pussy on a plane. And the beautiful thing about hockey, guys, is like, they're not so famous that people know what they look like.

• 42:52Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  So they have the money of an athlete.

• 42:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  They have, like, the puck chasers or whatever the girls are.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  And then the prestige, if you just flash the medal, you're like, yeah, this one goal.

• 43:03Mark Gagnon?

  That's what the hoes are called, puck chasers?

• 43:05Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Puck bunnies.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Puck bunnies.

• 43:07Speaker 00

  Puck bunnies or whatever. They got tons of nicknames, but they also have anonymity. You know what I mean? They could operate in the world

• 43:13Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  in a very different way. Like, they'll be at, they could go to a strip club. LeBron can't really go to a strip club.

• 43:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  Right?

• 43:19Mark Gagnon?

  Got you, okay.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  So it's like, they're the most fun athletes to party with, because they can actually party.

• 43:26Mark Gagnon?

  What's their stature? Like, are they typically tall, or they're like average?

• 43:29Speaker 00

  Some of the guys are tall, but some of the guys are kind of regular height, because

• 43:32Speaker 01

  They're always stocky.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're sturdy. They're sturdy. But they're not like, big muscular guys up here. It doesn't require big muscles. Like, legs, yeah.

• 43:40Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:41Speaker 00

  Anyway, I'm talking about my ass. I don't know shit about hockey, but this is, just from like, talking to some guys and like, so the guy, Jack Hughes, is 5'11". So they kind of look like regular guys.

• 43:51Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  Right? And

• 43:53Mark Gagnon?

  He's my height.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  I guess, Al.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're right, Al.

• 43:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep going, keep going. It's a race.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  You with skates on, man.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Exactly. Anyway, so they're the most fun athletes. Like, they can actually get after it and party. And, um, and so they're just at 11, just going fucking berserk last night, because the flight got diverted. Isn't that, isn't that, what a horrible thing, there's a snowstorm, we just gotta go to Miami, it's the only place.

• 44:22Mark Gagnon?

  They should celebrate though.

• 44:24Speaker 00

  Cash Patel hooked it up.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  It's a snowstorm on that flight for sure.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  The Cash Patel thing is so annoying, because it's just like, can you just let them have a fucking victory? You know the second you, it's so selfish, like they're saying you insert yourself in the room, it becomes culture war. And it's like, let America have this great victory, these guys play their fucking asses off, it's a dream win for the men's and the women's team. If you're in the locker room drinking beers, because you're a big hockey fan, it's this completely selfish endeavor that puts these guys under the microscope, right? Like, instead of being somebody we could all celebrate, if they're treating Cash as if he's like one of the guys, now everybody just goes, look at these pieces of shit, not judging Cash Patel for being there, and all the things that he's been supporting. It's just like, just stay the fuck out of it. You just stay the fuck out of it.

• 45:13Mark Gagnon?

  He's, he's corny, bro.

• 45:14Speaker 00

  Who, Cash?

• 45:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're saying the guy who wanted to be the FBI director is corny?

• 45:20Speaker 00

  You're saying the guy who wanted to spy on people for a living is, is not a cool guy?

• 45:24Mark Gagnon?

  I'm really, I just don't like this, he's always, he, he wants too much attention. Like, just be behind shit and lock up criminals.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Also, I don't like them having a life.

• 45:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 00

  Like, anybody that like, has like, little hobbies and shit, like, I don't really got enough time to be partying.

• 45:42Mark Gagnon?

  Be respectful, do that shit in private, like on Epstein's island or something like that, like.

• 45:45Speaker 00

  There was an island.

• 45:47Mark Gagnon?

  I don't wanna see that shit.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, there was an island where they could have fun, the elites, without the judgment.

• 45:53Mark Gagnon?

  There you go.

• 45:55Speaker 00

  So maybe if we were a little bit more open about their partying, then they wouldn't feel the need to do that.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  He said he wasn't over there for the Olympics. He said he had other business to handle.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, what was that?

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Not the Olympics. Whatever you think it is, it was not the, he had to be in Milan to go do other FBI work.

• 46:11Mark Gagnon?

  Was it his girlfriend doing some country performance in Italy?

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, she's a touring act guy.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  What would the FBI have to do in another country?

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Well, I've heard both things on this, that's what's so annoying, people are like, no dude, the FBI has to be there in order to protect the Americans in an official capacity.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  That's the CIA.

• 46:26Mark Gagnon?

  CIA, yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  FBI is America.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  And then they're like, no, he wasn't even there for the Olympics, he was just there to.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  My man, just say you like hockey, just don't be in the locker room, and then put these guys through it. Cause these guys are dealing with it now, right? It's like.

• 46:42Mark Gagnon?

  And the other corny thing, fucking Trump on the phone, he's like, "You guys are coming to the White House and, you know, I gotta invite the women too, you know, so I don't get impeached," some shit like that. He said some bullshit about not wanting to have the women there, and I'm like, "Yo, they won gold too."

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Let me tell you something.

• 46:58Mark Gagnon?

  The fuck? I thought it was America first.

• 47:00Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 47:01Mark Gagnon?

  You fucking cried for a sport you don't give a fuck about.

• 47:04Speaker 00

  You're not, let me tell you something. First of all, don't ever say I don't care about hockey. The second of all, if it was, if it was like the Netherlands' speed skating women's team, they would be invited to the White House, I promise you.

• 47:16Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, they too old.

• 47:21Mark Gagnon?

  Come on now.

• 47:23Mark Gagnon?

  Come on now.

• 47:25Speaker 00

  I'm just saying, maybe the hockey girls aren't from style.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Can we play what he said? Because I'm trying to figure out if it was a joke. Like, he should have said it as the president. But is he being silly?

• 47:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's fucking joking around.

• 47:39Mark Gagnon?

  Why are you trying to give him it out? He shouldn't say it.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  It's so corny.

• 47:43Mark Gagnon?

  I just want to hear it, I haven't heard it yet.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Buzz, buzz. A lot of people are gonna talk about how they're laughing at the joke. But there's some guys in the background going two for two. I don't know if you saw that?

• 48:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  So they're not like, "Oh, don't bring them." They're proud that US hockey went two for two.

• 48:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, they tried to turn him trying to shit on the women into a positive.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  Regardless if they're trying to turn it or not, clearly the guys have been very supportive. I just hate how like, we bring athletes into this, we put them in these positions, and then we drag them through the culture war.

• 48:27Mark Gagnon?

  Oh yeah, I'm not mad at the athletes. I'm mad at Trump at putting them in that position.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  And the same thing with Patel.

• 48:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 48:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, because apparently the US men's hockey team have been very supportive and like, stoked about the women's hockey gold, and like, that is the idea. We should all just come together and be like, "Hey, this is American excellence. America loves American excellence. We run on American excellence. This is an incredible thing, and amazing accomplishments, and we love it." And unfortunately...

• 48:52Speaker 00

  Every one of these athletes gets just jammed through this culture war microscope and it's so exhausting. It's like, just let them have, they're fuck, one, they're kids. They're kids. They really don't know much probably about the world. They've dedicated their entire life to these obscure sports. Like, we're asking them geopolitical questions, like, they're aware. None of them go to college. Do you know what I mean? Like, we don't know that. Yes, we do.

• 49:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  These are, these are elite athletes that have been plucked since they're fucking 12 years old, or maybe even younger, and then put on track to go represent either the United States or, you know, the interests of, like, teams within the United States.

• 49:26Mark Gagnon?

  That's so funny. I look at hockey players, I'm like, "I'm just a bunch of firemen that decided to skate for a weekend."

• 49:35Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, nobody plays this shit, you know? Just a couple of dads getting together and shit.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, maybe that is, like, maybe, you know, why don't these teenagers know more about the world? Why don't these teenagers have stronger opinions about what's happening?

• 49:49Speaker 01

  He shouldn't have made the joke as the president. But if Kamala, as the vice president, called the women's team and was like, "By the way, we have to invite the boys," it would be a little different, I feel like.

• 50:00Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 50:01Mark Gagnon?

  Bars.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Like, it's a locker room joke, pun intended, which I think is inappropriate for the president, but it's also kind of like, "Ah, you're fucking around."

• 50:12Mark Gagnon?

  I get it, but now the-

• 50:14Speaker 00

  The list of things that we could be frustrated-

• 50:15Mark Gagnon?

  But now the girls turned it down.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  The list of things we could be frustrated about, this isn't even on it.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  Like, this isn't even on it.

• 50:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like, I'm not caring about this, it's just corny.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 50:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

• 50:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 50:28Mark Gagnon?

  And now, like you said, it's turning into a culture war, because now the girls are like, "Oh, we're not even going to the White House."

• 50:34Speaker 00

  They're saying no?

• 50:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 00

  So this is his way of getting out of it?

• 50:39Speaker 00

  You think this is how he designed it?

• 50:42Speaker 00

  Okay. No. I'm curious about the, uh, what did you guys think about, uh, the Eileen Gu, Alyssa Liu?

• 50:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  What do you think about this, uh, this storyline? It's been quite interesting.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, people are comparing them, which is interesting.

• 51:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  They're both half-American, half-Chinese.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Born and raised in America.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Born and raised in America.

• 51:07Speaker 00

  Both of them.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  And Alyssa competes for the United States in figure skating, and Eileen competes in freestyle skiing for China.

• 51:16Speaker 00

  And she chose, I think, last Olympics to decide to compete for China.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it was like 2019 before the 2022 Olympics.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  And she chose up to go compete for China and people were like, oh, well, she did it for money. So it seems like the, the sports bureau in China like paid her a few mil. Like it's like five or six mil or something like that. Plus like all the endorsements in China.

• 51:36Speaker 00

  It's really the endorsements and like opening up to that, that market. I've, I've looked for like confirmation that she got directly paid for them, paid by them, by China. And I didn't really see anything. It's very plausible that she did, but like, I think she's one of the highest paid athletes in the world. That's because of the endorsements.

• 51:51Mark Gagnon?

  Get the fucking.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Bad in China.

• 51:53Mark Gagnon?

  So, so. Get the fucking.

• 51:55Speaker 00

  So you say get the bag.

• 51:56Mark Gagnon?

  Get the bag. Get the bag. Especially for Olympians, like they don't have that long and that many opportunities to compete.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  She makes 20 million a year.

• 52:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, she might not have made that if she played for USA.

• 52:10Speaker 00

  The question I have for you.

• 52:13Mark Gagnon?

  She's the hottest looking Chinese.

• 52:15Speaker 00

  Bro, she is, she's like made in a lab. Like we were joking about this last time, but she's, she's like Ivan Drago. Like she is, she is perfect. She's stunningly beautiful. She's like a genius. She went to Stanford. She had like 1850 in her SATs or something. Okay. She studied and she didn't study like communications or something. She studied like.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Hey.

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Well, you're working in it though. But like, she studied like some, like physics or something, like an actual.

• 52:40Mark Gagnon?

  But that's like a seven walking down Soho.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  She studied quantum physics.

• 52:43Speaker 00

  Quantum physics.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  And then now is focusing on international relations. Makes sense.

• 52:48Speaker 00

  Anyway, so yeah, she's like a supermodel. She's an amazing athlete, the best in her field, maybe like the best in history in her discipline. And, uh, but she was born in America, raised in America, trained in America. Like all the things that would lead her to supporting America. Like my feeling is like whatever country fed you, you gotta represent them. And if you don't make that team, then you could go to another one. But like, I don't think it should be okay for like one country to literally raise you up from the ground up. And then when it's time to compete, you go somewhere else.

• 53:20Mark Gagnon?

  What about soccer? Don't they do that shit a lot?

• 53:22Speaker 00

  I don't believe that should be allowed. Like, I think America took on a bunch of like, half-American, half-German players. Because I think they were like born on American Navy bases, or like military bases or whatever in Germany. But I'm like, well, if you ate schnitzel and shit, you're a German. Like, you gotta play for them. Whatever country feeds you and trains you, you gotta play over there.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  But it happens a lot. There's like, American dudes that are good at snowboarding, but they're not the best. And then the Olympics rolls around, they're like, "Oh, I can go make the team in Italy."

• 53:51Speaker 00

  I'm saying, if you can't make the team from your country of origin, then you could go for your other country.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  So, we're only mad at her because she's good.

• 54:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:01Mark Gagnon?

  So, if she wasn't good, you wouldn't care?

• 54:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, go to China and play. I don't care.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  100%. 100%, absolutely.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 54:10Speaker 06

  If you're not good enough to make the American team and you go somewhere else, great.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  But we trained you. Like, a lot of money was spent raising these and creating the opportunities for these.

• 54:19Mark Gagnon?

  A lot of her money, her family's money, is that?

• 54:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, but when she's like a junior, I'm sure there's like junior Olympic committees and that kind of stuff that are like trying to bring up these athletes and make sure that they'll be successful.

• 54:30Mark Gagnon?

  No, you care about where your tax dollars go.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Caring about that every year.

• 54:36Mark Gagnon?

  But, come on. She gets to compete two, maybe three times. Get the fucking bag. You work your whole life, you still competing, you're still the best in the world. Whether or not, whatever team you play for, you're still doing the same thing. I'm proving I'm the best at this thing.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Alright, so when Judas took the bag to... Were you cool with that?

• 54:57Mark Gagnon?

  Who?

• 54:57Speaker 00

  Judas took the bag.

• 55:00Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know this story.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's about him.

• 55:04Speaker 00

  Can you break down the story, Mark? You might be able to share more details than I.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Basically, Judas betrays Jesus Christ and tells the Roman authorities where he is.

• 55:12Speaker 00

  He took the bag.

• 55:13Mark Gagnon?

  It's the bag!

• 55:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, but that's to get somebody killed. That's way different.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  How many opportunities is Judas gonna have to get the bag?

• 55:21Mark Gagnon?

  Son, this is a more...

• 55:22Speaker 00

  Fucking hobby. She's just skating around on some ice. Skiing is life, huh?

• 55:27Speaker 01

  He loves hockey, loves skiing.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  Skiing is life, okay? 100%. I'm telling you, man.

• 55:33Mark Gagnon?

  And we still, didn't we win the whole shit?

• 55:36Speaker 00

  No, Norway did, but...

• 55:38Mark Gagnon?

  So, we beat China.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  True.

• 55:40Mark Gagnon?

  So fuck her.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  But she did kinda sell out.

• 55:43Speaker 00

  She sold out. Why can't we be critical of her for selling out?

• 55:47Mark Gagnon?

  You French Canadian talking about selling out. Get the fuck out of here. Yo, go back to your country.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  I don't know if she shouldn't sell. I don't know if it's unethical, but she did sell out.

• 55:53Speaker 00

  Would she go if it wasn't for the bag? If we offered the same bag, would she go?

• 55:58Mark Gagnon?

  You don't know.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  If we offered $1 more, yes. She would go to America. She would say, here.

• 56:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  So then it's just the bag.

• 56:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm not mad at that.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  But you're okay with that?

• 56:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm cool with that.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  But I think everyone would kinda do that.

• 56:11Mark Gagnon?

  This nigga. Come on, son.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  If the Scottish government...

• 56:16Mark Gagnon?

  This guy goes to fucking Australia.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Go, go, go.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Says, yo, Schultz, your mom's Scottish.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  You can become a Scottish citizen really easily.

• 56:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  You're technically, you are ethnically Scottish.

• 56:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  You get to compete in the paddle world championships representing Scotland.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Am I the best in America?

• 56:35Speaker 00

  Sure. Not a chance.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  And you're gonna get paid $57 million.

• 56:40Speaker 00

  Nope. Any chance to represent America? Any chance to represent America over another country, I'm taking. There's not a single thing that you could convince me to do otherwise. 100%.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  But if you weren't...

• 56:50Speaker 00

  I'm upset.

• 56:50Mark Gagnon?

  So, Cal, I wish somebody could offer him some shit. You would switch up so quick.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  I'm upset I didn't join the army, bro. I'm upset I didn't join the army, bro. I'm upset.

• 57:01Mark Gagnon?

  How many lies are you gonna tell?

• 57:03Speaker 00

  It's one of the greatest regrets in my life. I didn't join the army, man. It's one of the greatest regrets in my life. I wish I did. Bang, bang. I ain't get to bang out on motherfuckers, bro. I don't have a chance. I'm too old. My feet are too flat. But I could have banged down on these motherfuckers' house. I'm sick of tired, being sick of tired.

• 57:22Mark Gagnon?

  Son, it's not too late. You could be ice right now. They raised the age. They taking retards. They taking flat foot. They taking [BLEEP]. Taking everything in this shit. You could be ice right now.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  That's different.

• 57:33Mark Gagnon?

  47 days of training, that's it.

• 57:35Speaker 00

  That's different.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  What more would you have been in? Afghanistan? You would have been sent to Afghanistan.

• 57:40Speaker 00

  I would probably went to all of them.

• 57:43Speaker 06

  What year did you graduate?

• 57:44Speaker 00

  I would've went to all of them. I would've been in any war available.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  He graduated doesn't one or doesn't two or some shit.

• 57:49Speaker 06

  Bro, you would've been the first boots on the ground, oh three.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  In Fallujah. It's your boy, Sholto.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Restrepo.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  I'm in there. I'm in there. I'm diffusing bombs. I'm a sniper. My hands shake too much for the sniper, but I'd probably find a way to be good out there. Nah, the bomb is the red wire.

• 58:13Speaker 00

  You got the red one.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  I don't think they would let you serve food, bro.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  I'm not trying to serve food, bro.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  They would let you do the salt shaker and that's it.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  I could do the salt shaker.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  That's the only thing.

• 58:22Speaker 00

  I would do the salt shaker. I'd do whatever my country needs of me. What an honor to represent your country.

• 58:27Mark Gagnon?

  I agree.

• 58:28Speaker 00

  You're a Judas.

• 58:29Mark Gagnon?

  He's selling jokes to all the fucking army guys.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  I would keep my morale. I would keep my morale.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  That's what we need there. You need a blue guy. You need a blue guy.

• 58:36Speaker 00

  I'd be the guy with the flute at the front of the army. Yeah, what is it? The horn man? I'd be horn man. I'd be horn man. You need a horn man so everybody knows which way we're going.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is I would've been in there, guys. The greatest honor. Do you guys not feel ashamed that you didn't get to represent your country?

• 58:57Mark Gagnon?

  No, not at all.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Really?

• 58:59Mark Gagnon?

  Not at all.

• 59:00Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  What branch would you go into?

• 59:03Speaker 00

  What branch of horn? No, no, what branch? I mean, my dad was in the army, so I'd probably go army.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  You do orchestra?

• 59:09Speaker 00

  I do orchestra in the army. No, my dad was in the army, so I do army.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  Nah, I don't, I don't. I would do, I would do service in America. That'd be fine.

• 59:18Speaker 06

  Coast Guard?

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Coast Guard could be cool.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Which conflict during your lifetime that you would've been proud to fight?

• 59:24Speaker 00

  China.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  He never went there, bro.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  I'd be the first. Let me at them. Hey, let me at them. Let me at them, yo. Let me at them. Hey, hey, Petraeus. Petraeus! Listen, y'all got the Browns covered over there? Let me go over there and handle that.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  But you're afraid of heights. You can't even parachute.

• 59:42Speaker 00

  I'm not parachuting.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  How'd he get in?

• 59:44Speaker 00

  I'd be on the other side of that Great Wall. Tell them, I dare y'all step over that. Hey, I dare y'all step. If you step over, see what the fuck happens. This is Mongolia, property of the United States of America, okay? I'm the king of Mongolia now. That's what I would do. It's the greatest honor in the world to represent your country. I literally Googled, I was like, is there like an old people Olympics? I'm like, I might try this shit, just so I can represent the United States of America.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  You should.

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  Deadass.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  If they bring paddle to it.

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  If they got paddle and they have an old Olympics, I'm in there.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Cause all the best players aren't from here.

• 1:00:20Speaker 00

  I would cheat. I just wanna let you guys know. I would cheat for America.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  How?

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  Oh. In whatever way possible. The national senior games, often called the senior Olympics, is a major biennial, multi-sport event.

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  Multi-sport event of the US athletes and age 50 and older. Okay, so I got eight years of training promoting active aging and camaraderie. That's what I'm doing.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  You could do para?

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  Mark, Mark, you're being rude right now. You're being rude right now.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  I'm saying, you said you would cheat.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  Yo, low key.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  You said you would cheat.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Low key, I don't think, like, there is a way to make the Olympics, like, i- if you are committed, you could chop some shit off. Like, if you wanna, if you wanna be, if you wanna represent your country.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Bro, you could do both. You could, you could go in the military and then para back to back.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Wait a minute.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Think about that. All your life's regrets, dude.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  I could do it.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  You could serve our nation and represent America in the same year.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Do we change the age of the army shit now that it's drone warfare?

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Oh, lower it.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  Nah, raise it up, cause if, if I'm at home.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  15 year olds love video games.

• 1:01:24Mark Gagnon?

  But the kids, it's the nicest ones on a video game.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I could, I could, I could do that.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Come on, no, no.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  You don't think I could do that?

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Come on, Al, look at that. Ooh, a Russian. You don't think I could do that?

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  You put it on Twitch?

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  I could definitely do that. I might start playing Call of Duty right now.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Just to train?

• 1:01:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, White Ops.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  That's what they call, so they call it Call of Duty Ops.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  During this month, yeah. White Ops.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  No, but for real, you guys don't feel that patriotism coursing through your veins? You don't wanna represent your country?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Not for foreign intervention, but maybe something here.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  Well, that's why sports is great.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be cool. It would be cool to represent America, of course.

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  Or represent New York, but.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  But that's part of her heritage.

• 1:02:08Mark Gagnon?

  That is fine.

• 1:02:09Speaker 00

  I would love to represent New York within America and then America outside of America. I mean, that's a dream.

• 1:02:14Mark Gagnon?

  I would do New York outside of America.

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  Imagine you're point guard of the New York Knicks, but you're also from here? And you get to take your team to a championship, like, oh, to give that joy to that many people? Are you kidding me? And I served for years. Hundred percent.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Speaker 00

  Oh, God, guys, are you kidding me?

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  You're kind of Forrest Gump. You're describing Forrest Gump right now.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  That's my hero. That's my hero.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Literally? Didn't he die of AIDS?

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  That's my hero. No, Jenny did. He was so nice, he evaded it. He was plugging a girl with AIDS and didn't get it.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  He goes, "How amazing would my life be, bro, if I served in the military, came back, played a racket sport, and became a comedian?"

• 1:02:53Speaker 00

  Greatest, greatest of all time. Helped my retarded black friend become wealthy.

• 1:03:02Mark Gagnon?

  I opened a strip.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  I'm Lieutenant Dan.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  No, for real, dude, that is a dream. Are you kidding me? What an honor to represent your country. The greatest country in the world.

• 1:03:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, goo, get your buddy up.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  You're ironically the scrap Forrest Gump.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  How is Forrest Gump not the greatest human being that's ever existed, bro? The guy got a 960 on his SAT, man. He can't read, just like you, okay? Oh, my God, look at Mark and Lieutenant Dan.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Oh, shit. That's what I'm saying, bro. What would his lines be in? My mom always said life was like a bacon, egg, and cheese.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Life is like a chopped cheese, yeah. The bodega is like a box of chocolates, 100%. It's a lot of...

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Jenny, if you had to mannequin a woman in that situation.

• 1:04:00Speaker 00

  Yo.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Out of New York.

• 1:04:02Speaker 00

  I can't believe that you guys don't have patriotism coursing through your veins, dude.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  Bro, you would have met JFK, that's fire.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  I can't believe it. You let the communists win, huh? So you hate America now? You fucking hate America, dude? That's what it is?

• 1:04:16Mark Gagnon?

  No, she loves both of her sides.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  Nah, there's double standard, though, because she'll talk shit about America, and then they ask you about China, and she's like, "No, I love it here, it's great." And doesn't talk shit about the Chinese government.

• 1:04:27Mark Gagnon?

  What's wrong about China?

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Alright. Doesn't talk about the Chinese government at all, to my knowledge, maybe I'm wrong, sorry, Eileen.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  Also, she won't say whether or not she renounced her US citizenship, and China doesn't allow dual citizenship. So, America allows it, but China doesn't. So, they won't exactly say what happened. So, in order to compete for a country, you need to be a citizen. So, it's very likely that she, China, either made an exception for her, or she renounced her US citizenship.

• 1:04:53Mark Gagnon?

  Isn't that fire if China made an exception for her? That's pretty dope. You getting China to do what you want? That's kinda hard. That's, that's some American shit right there.

• 1:05:02Speaker 00

  While she holds a Chinese passport to compete, she has never publicly confirmed she renounced her US citizenship. An ambiguity noted because China does not officially allow dual citizenship. Exactly.

• 1:05:10Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe she's a spy.

• 1:05:11Speaker 00

  So, what do you mean, maybe?

• 1:05:14Mark Gagnon?

  No, for us.

• 1:05:17Speaker 00

  Eileen?

• 1:05:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you see?

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  Eileen?

• 1:05:19Mark Gagnon?

  You trying to blow her shit up?

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  Eileen, my bad.

• 1:05:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 00

  Eileen, my bad. This is all part of our design. We send one of our most brilliant students.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:29Speaker 00

  Into China. Infiltrate all their systems.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Do the knowledge, bro.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Eileen, Eileen, shout out you. Listen, I don't even know if we should include this in the podcast.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  We should include it.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  I don't even know if we should include it because I don't want them to know. Yeah, we, oh my god. Good job, Eileen.

• 1:05:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  Alright, but now can we talk about Alyssa Liu?

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. From the, from the Bay.

• 1:05:51Speaker 00

  From the Bay.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  This is really SF versus the Bay. That's really what this is about.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  Yo, talk that shit.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  If you think about it, if we're all making it China versus America, it is SF tech Silicon Valley versus Oakland.

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  Her story's crazy. Like, her dad was a, like, um...

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  A political dissident.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Needless to say. I don't know exactly what he did.

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  I think he was, like, involved in, like, the planning of the Tiananmen Square.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  On which side?

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  Uh, the good guys.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Okay, alright.

• 1:06:19Speaker 00

  So, yeah, he wasn't on, well, who's the good guys to you?

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  I was talking, oh, you go first.

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  Fucking communist. Uh, and then, so he dips out to America, has five kids by surrogate.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Mark Gagnon?

  Is he the dude in front of the, the tank?

• 1:06:32Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, that was, he...

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  It might be?

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Might be Tank Man, dude.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  No, because I think Tank Man's part of the cement now. Didn't they run his ass over?

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure he lived.

• 1:06:41Speaker 06

  No, he got pulled away. They never, they never heard anything about it.

• 1:06:44Mark Gagnon?

  And then he moved to America.

• 1:06:45Speaker 00

  God, it could be.

• 1:06:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  And I think he specifically wanted a surrogate with a white woman for the max genetic diversity. This guy's crazy.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  I don't know if that's, can you confirm that?

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  I'm pretty sure it's my thing.

• 1:06:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, he ain't even fucked?

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so. He got an egg donor?

• 1:07:00Speaker 00

  There's nothing wrong with that, Al.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  Nothing wrong with creating, creating a family without having sex with your wife to do it. There's nothing wrong with letting doctors take you and your wife's reproductive parts and put the baby together without you.

• 1:07:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Do you want to rephrase that?

• 1:07:16Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:07:18Speaker 00

  He wouldn't. Anyway.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  But yeah, he got a white donor, an egg white. And, uh, and he said he wanted to ensure a diverse gene pool. And then married another Chinese woman, raised their kids in the Bay Area. And, uh, yeah, made a champion.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  Tiger dad.

• 1:07:38Mark Gagnon?

  He got a white egg, but then married a Chinese lady?

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  Wow, wow, boy.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  That's. And then I think divorced her, divorced her, and then like she's still kind of like the mom of the kids. Like, I don't know the exact situation.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  Wild boy.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  But yeah. And then she becomes like a champion. She's like the greatest ever at like 16 years old, wins the world title.

• 1:07:56Speaker 00

  Total tiger dad.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:57Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  Okay. Goes to the last Olympics. I think she comes in like six or something like that, but she was like incredible. And then maybe didn't do as well as maybe she thought or America would have hoped for her.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  But at 16, she won like Worlds or something. She won like an amazing like American honor as a figure skater and then retired.

• 1:08:14Mark Gagnon?

  Did he choose the gender?

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  That's an interesting question.

• 1:08:17Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe that's why he moved out because he wanted a girl.

• 1:08:21Speaker 00

  You're doing the knowledge.

• 1:08:21Mark Gagnon?

  Doing the knowledge, come on.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  Bro, he's a feminist.

• 1:08:24Speaker 00

  At 18, she says, you know what? This isn't making me happy. I'm going to find myself.

• 1:08:30Mark Gagnon?

  And she's like the best, right? She's like at that.

• 1:08:32Speaker 00

  Well, she's our hope. She's our hope in America. She's a great halfway hope. She's a great halfway hope. Yeah.

• 1:08:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  No, you do this. Don't say white. Don't say white. No, no.

• 1:08:42Mark Gagnon?

  Y'all did it first.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  You're saying we're claiming her?

• 1:08:45Mark Gagnon?

  Y'all claimed. You tried to claim it just now. That is all Asian. I don't care what fuck she half white.

• 1:08:50Speaker 00

  The speed in which Dub and Tanya told us that Jack Hughes, the guy who scored the game winning goal for the US in the hockey finals, the speed in which that they told us that he was Jewish was remarkable.

• 1:09:04Mark Gagnon?

  That was the first thing I found out about the hockey.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  Before the shot had entered the goal, there was already 40 Instagram accounts. It was like, first bot nits for bar mitzvah kids, represent America.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  I love how they waited until we won for that information. Like it was never the beginning of Olympics. Like we're really proud. Okay, but she goes and takes two years off and she's like, I'm just gonna find myself. Takes two years off. This is one, this is a sport where like you cannot take days off, right? Like it's insane competition. You also have a small window. It's not like 40 year old women are winning figure skating, right?

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  With two years to go until this Olympics, I think, was it two years ago in this Olympics? I think so. Or something of that. She basically goes. Did she compete in the last one? She did a little last one. She takes two years off and then two years before that she goes, you know what? I think I found my love again for figure skating. Maybe I want to try it again. She goes, I'm gonna choose my coaches. My dad's not gonna be part of it. He's too tiger dad. I'm gonna do it my way. I'm gonna have fun with it and whatever happens, happens. And they were like literally asking her questions. She's like, are you nervous about what's going on? She's like, no, I feel great. Like this is awesome. Even being here is amazing and I'm gonna do my best. Like she is in an interesting way when you compare her with or juxtapose her with Eileen Gu, who's like so media trained, so poised, like clearly brilliant, stunning, beautiful. Very calculated. So calculated, like. Spy. Spy, maybe.

• 1:10:25Speaker 00

  But she's so free. Like this girl is like pure Americana in the most beautiful way. Like I'm gonna take control of my life. I'm gonna do what I want with my life. I'm gonna seek out the things that I'm interested in doing. And if this thing ends up being something that it gives me joy, I'm gonna go and chase after it and try to be the best that I ever can be. And it's like she's just like this, there's this gravitational pull when you see figures like that. And like there's this love and support and like all of America is behind this girl. And they've tried to culture war her. She's like, oh, she believes in this. She's woke. She's part of it. But even that doesn't work. You even see like conservatives go, ah, we don't care what she does. It's awesome that she just embodies this beautiful American spirit. And I, I don't know. I think she might.

• 1:11:08Speaker 00

  Be more successful, make more money, do all the things that Eileen Gu probably would have ended up doing here in America. But I don't think Eileen Gu will ever have like the love or appreciation in America that, uh, that Alyssa will.

• 1:11:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  Simply, yeah.

• 1:11:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, she.

• 1:11:24Speaker 00

  She chose up.

• 1:11:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:25Speaker 00

  But what I'm saying is like Alyssa, Alyssa's an example of like, there is a version where you can embrace this free spirit, this thing that only America allows. And be loved simply because you're great at this thing and that this thing doesn't define you completely.

• 1:11:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  You know, and it's, uh, I think it's something that maybe is unique to us in that way. Like I, I just watching the world like gravitate to her and this like beautiful free spirit and also like the energy she was providing. The people she was competing with, like there's these other girls that like, this, this like little 17 year old Japanese girl got bronze and she didn't even know like, like if she could be emotional. And like, she has to like, be like, hey, be happy. This is awesome. Like is, ah, yeah. She's just, uh, she's really special. So I'm curious to see what happens.

• 1:12:11Speaker 06

  What? No, no, I'm allergic to, I'm horrible.

• 1:12:16Speaker 06

  I have horrible allergies, sorry.

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  Anyway, so it was, uh, it was very cool to see.

• 1:12:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's a beautiful story. I didn't know any of this. This is dope.

• 1:12:25Speaker 00

  And then she skated at the very end.

• 1:12:27Mark Gagnon?

  I know she won the gold, right?

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. She comes.

• 1:12:30Mark Gagnon?

  Now, did she do any like tricks that no one else can do? Or they just gave her the award because it's a nice story?

• 1:12:35Speaker 00

  One of the few people that can do like a triple triple. So like three spins and then do another three spins right in a row. But, uh, she did this cool thing at the end of her, at the end of her thing, like, I think she knows that she had an awesome run. I don't even know if she knows she's won at this point, right? Cause it's up to the judges, but she wrote, skates right up to the camera. And then she goes, that's what I'm fucking talking about.

• 1:12:55Mark Gagnon?

  Really? Oh, I like that.

• 1:12:57Speaker 00

  It's like Bay area energy through and through.

• 1:13:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  Her hair is cool.

• 1:13:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Aileen Wu not doing that.

• 1:13:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, send her ass over there.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  That's the energy. That's the energy.

• 1:13:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:13:13Speaker 06

  We gotta get her paid. That's really what we gotta do.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  She's got it.

• 1:13:16Speaker 06

  We need the billionaires of America to come together and be like, yo, we're gonna double whatever Aileen Wu.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Whatever Aileen does, she gotta get doubled. I love that.

• 1:13:23Mark Gagnon?

  If she don't, we don't love America.

• 1:13:26Speaker 06

  Facts.

• 1:13:27Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:13:29Mark Gagnon?

  If China's gonna bread up our people more than we bred up our people, we don't love America, bro.

• 1:13:34Speaker 00

  That is a good point. Like, why? I'm shocked that, like, American companies or something didn't come together and be like, "Hey, what the fuck is going on here?"

• 1:13:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Speaker 00

  Like, "Why don't we get some more sponsorship opportunities for this girl? This girl's gonna win gold. She's prolific." Like, why are we gonna let... It's a stain on American dominance when we have athletes leaving here to compete in other countries.

• 1:13:55Speaker 06

  Yeah. But also, the payment to represent America, it should just be the joy, you know?

• 1:14:01Speaker 00

  Ow!

• 1:14:03Speaker 00

  You're right.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  "America, I don't need any money, man. You got a sniper position? Let me know. Put me on the fucking rooftop."

• 1:14:12Speaker 06

  Put him on a drone. He's a drone.

• 1:14:13Speaker 00

  Put me on a drone!

• 1:14:15Speaker 06

  Wearing a diaper, shitting on a roof, I could only imagine, dude.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, do you think they diaper up?

• 1:14:20Speaker 06

  Oh, they have to be up there for days.

• 1:14:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, but the diaper doesn't really do anything.

• 1:14:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you're just sitting with it. That's worse.

• 1:14:26Speaker 00

  You don't have kids.

• 1:14:27Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:14:28Speaker 00

  The second they shit in the diaper, you gotta change the diaper. You don't get to just leave it in there for days.

• 1:14:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, they take off the one diaper, but they're up there for days, like...

• 1:14:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but why would they wear a diaper? You could just drop pants and just...

• 1:14:40Speaker 06

  You can't get up. You're laying there for days, pissing it. Roll that bitch off. Shit to the side, hopefully.

• 1:14:48Mark Gagnon?

  I think Miles is trying to...

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  He's doing the thing where he's like... She committed to something and now he's trying to justify it?

• 1:14:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's how snipers have to do it. Are you invoking a fact check?

• 1:14:57Mark Gagnon?

  I think, yep. Let's fact check that.

• 1:14:59Speaker 06

  Miles or Alex got a fact check. Let's see. Yo, do the knowledge.

• 1:15:03Speaker 00

  Do the knowledge.

• 1:15:04Speaker 06

  Do the knowledge, bro.

• 1:15:05Mark Gagnon?

  So...

• 1:15:06Speaker 06

  Ho-tup?

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  The way you said it.

• 1:15:11Speaker 00

  Can you call black people that? Is that prejudicial?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  No, it's just a...

• 1:15:15Speaker 06

  Well, I'm gonna find out in the comments later.

• 1:15:19Speaker 06

  I was sending Miles one of the videos. Could you tell me what to factor?

• 1:15:25Mark Gagnon?

  Where the fuck is Joey?

• 1:15:28Speaker 06

  Joey's somewhere else.

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  Move on, bro. All right.

• 1:15:31Mark Gagnon?

  Joey, you better relax. That robot gonna replace you, bro. Robot was doing tricks on it.

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• 1:18:12Speaker 00

  Epstein.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, Prince Andrew got arrested.

• 1:18:15Speaker 00

  For what?

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  For, uh, it's connected to Epstein, but not in the way you think.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  So it's not for all those girls that accused him of.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  No, no, I think that was an out of court settlement. But, uh, this one was that the royal family just was like, yeah, let's Google Prince Andrew's name and see what comes up. And then they realized that when he was the trade envoy, he was giving these secret documents to Epstein. And basically telling Epstein just like about his travel whereabouts. And they saw this as improper use of the office.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  Now, how could that be advantageous to Epstein?

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know if it was done in like an official capacity to basically give away trade secrets. Or if it's literally like, hey, I'm going to be in Singapore this weekend. Do you have any women I can meet? And by saying that he's in Singapore, he's giving away confidential information. So basically they're kind of getting him on like a technicality to get him arrested based off of what's in the files.

• 1:19:09Speaker 00

  So basically there's not enough in the files to lock him up forever. Or if you lock him up forever for what's in the files, it looks way worse on the royal family.

• 1:19:19Mark Gagnon?

  Your family's really done with this guy.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  He's been controversial for like.

• 1:19:23Mark Gagnon?

  Cause that's some easy, you could fight that like.

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Mark Gagnon?

  They, oh.

• 1:19:28Speaker 00

  I guess the argument could be like if he's part of the trade envoy, that he would be privy to certain information. You know, financial information, for example, like the government's about to make a big investment in some like military firm or whatever. And if you gave that to a hedge fund, if you gave that to a guy like Epstein, he could make a big bet on that. Before it happens, which it seems like a lot of that was happening with these figures.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Speaker 00

  You know, which is the, uh, the myth of meritocracy.

• 1:19:57Speaker 00

  Which is, this is one of my, one of the, the positive things that has been exposed through the Epstein files. Is that all these people that are making all this money, you know, uh, in investing in companies. Like as if they're using like this great due diligence to choose the company. It's like, no, it's not. You just know the deal. It's gonna happen before it fucking happens. It's Pelosi type shit, but this is, we knew that this is what very wealthy and successful people were doing. It's nice that it's exposed because then it lets us go, oh yeah, you're not fucking smarter than any of us. You just have the answers to the test. You know, so there is something like, now, how do we get them to stop doing that? I don't know, but we also don't have to let them finger wag us at all about, you gotta work hard.

• 1:20:39Speaker 00

  You got a little, I worked for 60 hours a week in the trading desk to build it and you did none of that shit. You called your fucking rich friend. He said that the British government is investing in this company. You put a lot of fucking money in it or the British government is pulling money out of this company. You shorted it. You guys aren't smarter. You have the answers.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there's a lot of countries that are like that where meritocracy is not really prioritized.

• 1:21:01Speaker 00

  At all.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  It's classist and hierarchical. That's just the way it is.

• 1:21:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  And America, the issue is that we tout ourselves as being meritocratic. The cream rises to the top. You work hard, you can be successful and that's probably more true here than most places. But with that said, it's not as meritocratic as a lot of people kind of believe.

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  Any business that can sustain nepotism is cheating.

• 1:21:25Speaker 00

  Any business where like your kids can take it over and it still works, you're cheating. Because you can't guarantee the level of ambition and intelligence of your kids. You need some sort of competitive advantage. You might be the smartest guy. You might be the Steve Jobs, but Steve Jobs kid might be a fucking retard. But if the company manages to continue with them at the helm, you're cheating in some way.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  What if you were grooming this kid for this position? I know, bad jokes, yeah. But like, at a very young age, so it's like, they just have so much knowledge to do this position more than the average person.

• 1:22:01Speaker 00

  Have you hung out with rich people's kids?

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:22:03Speaker 00

  They're all drug addicts and idiots. Like, the majority of them are drug addicts and idiots, right? But they got the answers to the test, you know, or the connections are there where they can have certain access to certain things.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but look at Baron, he's killing it in the prediction market, bro.

• 1:22:17Speaker 00

  How the fuck is that? What the hell?

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Stuff he does with that computer.

• 1:22:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, doesn't know these things.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Doing tricks with that computer, bro. I heard an interesting thing. Did I text you this? I can't remember if I did, but it was this guy, Alan Dubatton. He's like an author, he's a YouTube guy, philosopher. He did a pod with Chris Williamson where he's talking about the difference between, in America, you have this story where meritocracy wins, but it's not exactly the case in the way it's represented. And as a result, it creates a victim culture and like a blame culture specifically in America. Because if there's this story like, hey, if you succeed, that's because you worked hard and you're successful, and if you work hard, you can succeed, then the inverse is also true, where if you fail and you're a failure, it's because you didn't work hard and you're actually not smart and you're a loser. And then that creates this paradigm where people are like, no, I've failed, I worked really hard and I still failed. And so then they go, who did this to me?

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  And then there's finger pointing and blaming.

• 1:23:08Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Which, maybe it's helpful, maybe it's not, but it comes from that place where they were sold this bill of goods about meritocracy that didn't actually hold up.

• 1:23:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's interesting. It's almost like, if you knew the system was set up to support the Nepo babies or the class or the caste of people that are at the top, maybe you wouldn't have that much resentment for it. Or the resentment or their success wouldn't prove you to be someone who doesn't work hard.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, hierarchical societies, I think, are more like, yeah, this is what it is.

• 1:23:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, they get all that shit and they get wealthy and that's the game. And they're not gaslighting you, whereas we kind of gaslight a little bit. Yeah, why aren't you working hard enough, man?

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:46Speaker 00

  Why aren't you grinding more, dude?

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  I feel like Blackfield probably knew this.

• 1:23:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  People like us, like I knew it too, like I, we're not so different. You know what I mean? I knew about this, I can't read.

• 1:23:56Speaker 00

  White people are just finding out the system is against them too.

• 1:23:58Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 1:23:59Speaker 00

  And they are fucking pissed off about it.

• 1:24:01Mark Gagnon?

  That's the thing that's most interesting to see.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  And I think, I think the right thing to do for black people right now is to be like, keep going.

• 1:24:07Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not fighting back.

• 1:24:09Speaker 00

  Don't fight, you're almost like, oh, you're getting it now. You're like, you're black too, you just didn't realize it.

• 1:24:15Mark Gagnon?

  You, it's being hard for you guys to buy houses, it's hard for a lot of things. It's like, oh, school's expensive, like, yup, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:24Speaker 00

  This is how, this is what got us out of Vietnam.

• 1:24:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 00

  It's like they started drafting white kids, white people were like, what the fuck is happening over there?

• 1:24:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I am glad to see it, I am noticing, and I'm just, come on, guys, we're gonna come together.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:38Mark Gagnon?

  Some heads need to roll.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Whoa, come on, man.

• 1:24:41Mark Gagnon?

  I mean.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  You gotta chill with that, dude.

• 1:24:43Mark Gagnon?

  Legally.

• 1:24:44Speaker 00

  Legally?

• 1:24:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:44Speaker 00

  I mean, they do. What happens? Who, who, what is enough for people to go, okay, we've gotten some sort of justice?

• 1:24:52Mark Gagnon?

  Luigi.

• 1:24:54Speaker 00

  Luigi what?

• 1:24:55Mark Gagnon?

  Maggiotti.

• 1:24:56Speaker 00

  He gets off?

• 1:24:56Mark Gagnon?

  No, I just think, he just needs to go on a [BLEEP].

• 1:25:01Speaker 00

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  Tourette's, Tourette's.

• 1:25:05Mark Gagnon?

  Tourette's, Tourette's. Yeah, Tourette's, yeah. I joke, I joke, I kid guys, I get, no, I don't want that.

• 1:25:12Speaker 00

  No, what?

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  That's like you're smart, you said the exact opposite of what he said. That's actually really good.

• 1:25:18Speaker 00

  No, who needs to get arrested? Who needs to go down where people go, okay, all right?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  I, well, we were talking about this a little yesterday, I think it's twofold. Where I think you need some key arrests of like the people that we, the, the American public strongly feels is implicated so long as that they're actually guilty. They get arrested, there's an actual trial, all the discovery's done, we figure out what was actually happening, whether the United States intelligence is implicated or not, all the co-conspirators are arrested.

• 1:25:45Speaker 00

  Do we have names for that?

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  I mean, people throw out Wexner a lot, but again, he hasn't been charged with any crime, I don't wanna.

• 1:25:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but they named the co-conspirators.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  They, they named some of them. Like Ro Khanna, Massey, I don't think they named all of them.

• 1:25:58Mark Gagnon?

  I thought they named the ones that were

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Public figures?

• 1:26:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that were like let off during the first initial thing in 2008. So it's like, take down these motherfuckers.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  That'd be a place to look.

• 1:26:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  And then so long as that they're proven guilty.

• 1:26:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  In like a legitimate court, that's great. But then on top of that, I do think you need to raise the economic conditions and that people can't feel so pinched economically. They can't feel like their their future is so hopeless. And that's probably, I mean, that's a way bigger issue. But like housing prices and healthcare and all that shit, I think needs to come into the fray in order for people to feel like really satisfied. Because I do think a lot of this is

• 1:26:33Speaker 00

  Emblematic of that frustration.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  It's rightly placed anger, but it is, I think, just a small portion of the overall economic issue that everyone's feeling.

• 1:26:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, there's no distraction. You can't be distracted when you're starving. Now, I'm not saying the people in America are starving, but the feeling like there's the starvation of hope. And you're going to point to the people who have stuff. And then when it looks like all these people who have stuff are implicated in this horrendous scheme, now you have a perfect justification to hate them. You already hated them because you're broke, you can't afford a house, you can't afford college, and you can't afford healthcare. And you're like, these guys are fucking involved in some way. I know, I don't know why, but fuck them. And then you have this story that breaks where whether or not everybody's involved, we don't know, but enough people are involved. And it looks like they're taking care of each other and protecting each other. And it's just like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Yes, sure.

• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:27:23Mark Gagnon?

  Like, we're recording this Tuesday. Tonight is the State of the Union. And I'm actually curious to see which direction Trump goes with this. Like, I wonder if he's just going to gaslight and be like, oh, stock market's up, everything's good. I like, I wonder because that hasn't been working for him. Like, it's really hasn't been working. His approval rating is at the lowest it's ever been.

• 1:27:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, I wonder if he's maybe just has a real talk with the American people. I doubt it, but

• 1:27:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I doubt it.

• 1:27:49Mark Gagnon?

  Let's see what Kelsey says about it.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I don't even know.

• 1:27:54Mark Gagnon?

  I'm telling people are getting upset with this gaslighting shit.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think like, I bet you, I would love to look this up. I bet you after the French Revolution, there were some people that were like, alright, we killed Marius when we fucking chopped her head off. And then they were still poor and starving and they were like, well, it didn't solve all my problems. You know, like I think that there's, you need twofold. You need to actually hold the powerful people accountable.

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  And then create a system where the poorest people in the country are not feeling like they're taken advantage of.

• 1:28:21Speaker 00

  But that is a thing where like, and we talked about this with Mangione. It's like, the people who have the money and power, they can only squeeze the American people, whatever country it is, so much before revolution. And like, you know, the French Revolution is a great example of that. It's like, well, this is what happens when you squeeze them.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Speaker 00

  And then the next person in charge goes, okay, guys, they're getting to the point of this level of squeezing where our heads start getting chopped off. We have to do something about it.

• 1:28:49Mark Gagnon?

  They have a term for that, the noblesse oblige.

• 1:28:52Speaker 00

  What does that mean?

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  That's like the obligation of the nobles. That, and they have to do some stuff to make everyone happy.

• 1:28:58Speaker 00

  Also, the, the, the, the framing of that. This is our obligation. No, no, this keeps you alive. This keeps you alive because people will show up at your house with pitchforks if you take too much. You can only squeeze people too much.

• 1:29:13Mark Gagnon?

  The problem is they still do a great job of keeping us fighting against each other.

• 1:29:17Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 1:29:17Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, hey, they keep squeezing, but they keep finding a way, hey, yell at your neighbor and ignore what we're doing up here. And I don't know if that's ever gonna change.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:29:28Speaker 00

  No, because we like yelling.

• 1:29:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Speaker 00

  You make a lot of money on YouTube by yelling.

• 1:29:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:33Speaker 00

  And just infighting nonstop, you know, and that's, that's what gets views, that's what gets clicks.

• 1:29:37Mark Gagnon?

  There will be a revolution.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and also we're placated enough because we like to consume. And we just keep on buying shit and we're like, alright. How bad can life be when you got like a hundred dollar flat screen? You know what I mean?

• 1:29:49Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, flat screen?

• 1:29:50Speaker 00

  No, they just make the TVs cheaper, so you feel rich.

• 1:29:52Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, got it, got it.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  And you got a Roku and you're watching TV and you're like, ah.

• 1:29:55Speaker 00

  Got a million different channels, dude.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. You don't even, come on. You're gonna protest? When Night of the Seven Kingdoms was on, season finale?

• 1:30:02Speaker 00

  Remember when they were?

• 1:30:03Mark Gagnon?

  Season finale trash.

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was trash. But remember when they were about to crack down on sharing the passwords?

• 1:30:09Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  And then all the nobles came together and they're like, they're gonna kill us if we stop them from doing it. Just let them share the fucking passwords so we can live and make billions of dollars. Like, there's a perfect example, because I think that password shit went away real quick.

• 1:30:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it did.

• 1:30:22Speaker 00

  Right? They're like, we're gonna, we're gonna stop you guys from sharing passwords so we can make another 11 bucks per person.

• 1:30:27Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  And then people were like, alright. Who's the CEOs? What's?

• 1:30:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:34Speaker 00

  So, yeah, it's, uh, that part's frustrating. What'd you guys think about that Wexner deposition?

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Oh, there's a couple funny clips.

• 1:30:41Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Like, it's interesting seeing powerful people in positions where they're getting fucked up. Like, that's awesome. Like, seeing, like, these attorneys, like, just, like, rip him is awesome. And seeing his attorney try to, like, court correct. So, I mean, this is the part that went viral, is basically telling him, like, hey, shut the fuck up.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  I mean, because he's just answering shit. They're like, so what was your relationship with, uh, Glenn Maxwell? He's like, oh, yeah, I knew it pretty well. You know, we did, and like, he's just, like, talking. And the lawyer's like, dude, shut the, what are you doing?

• 1:31:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 00

  Is there no curiosity in that lawyer?

• 1:31:22Mark Gagnon?

  What do you mean?

• 1:31:22Speaker 00

  Like, if I was Wexner's lawyer, I would be sitting there going, I'll just fucking say it all, I'm gonna know.

• 1:31:28Mark Gagnon?

  He knows all the shit.

• 1:31:30Speaker 00

  You think he's aware of everything?

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  That's why he's like, yo, shut the fuck up.

• 1:31:33Mark Gagnon?

  Privilege.

• 1:31:33Speaker 00

  So, he knows all the stuff. So, there are people that know all the stuff that aren't even involved.

• 1:31:38Speaker 06

  There are people that know, like, the murder cases, and they just have to die with it. And then a lot of, not a lot, some lawyers.

• 1:31:46Speaker 00

  They'll have to.

• 1:31:47Mark Gagnon?

  There's so many people in the FBI right now that have gone through all of those files unredacted.

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  Well, we have a chair, and it's right here, and if any of them would love to be an American patriot. If you won a gold medal for being an American patriot, you can sit down around this podcast and tell us all about it.

• 1:32:03Mark Gagnon?

  I hope, I hope there'll be a whistleblower about this shit one day.

• 1:32:06Speaker 00

  How is there not?

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:08Speaker 00

  Like, how is there not?

• 1:32:09Mark Gagnon?

  They know they would die immediately.

• 1:32:10Speaker 00

  There's nobody who wants to gossip? There's nobody who wants to just be at the bar with the boys watching the game? Like, yo, like, this is crazy.

• 1:32:18Mark Gagnon?

  Epstein was, and then he hung himself with his own hands.

• 1:32:24Speaker 00

  He wanted to get to gossip. You saw, you saw what Nancy Mace tweeted today? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nancy Mace, Congressman, says, "We are not sure that Epstein killed himself."

• 1:32:34Mark Gagnon?

  See, like, that, that's the type of shit that's like, stop doing that.

• 1:32:38Speaker 00

  Why agree to cooperate and kill yourself?

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:32:45Speaker 00

  Because the idea was he was cooperating.

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:48Speaker 00

  And I think that's been confirmed. He'd already begun that process. So it makes sense that they killed him once he agrees to cooperate.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Well, they say, hey, if you, the distinction I'm making is like, they gave him a window where they could, he could kill himself. Or, hey, we're gonna come and murder you. Or, hey, we're gonna come and torture you. Or you can just kill yourself right now and have a good, you're out. But is it easier to convince him to do it than to send in a whole team? Middle of the night, turn off all the cameras, and the whole prison? That's the other thing I was wondering. Couldn't you look at the camera at the front of the prison?

• 1:33:17Mark Gagnon?

  What you mean?

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  There's cameras all throughout the prison. The one in front of his cell died. That's the one that went out.

• 1:33:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  So could we look at the camera from the hallway over?

• 1:33:25Speaker 00

  Why are we trying to solve it? Like, the camera went out.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, obviously.

• 1:33:31Speaker 00

  Like, if this was in a movie, nobody would believe it.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  And the guards fell asleep.

• 1:33:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, both, two guards asleep.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they falsified their rounds records.

• 1:33:38Mark Gagnon?

  And guys, every camera just stops recording for a minute. You, you don't know that?

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:42Mark Gagnon?

  Every camera does that.

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying? Like, if this was in a movie, people would be like, guys, what are the chances that all this happens? Like, it wouldn't be believable.

• 1:33:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:50Speaker 00

  So, once the camera goes out, once the guards are asleep, I could maybe believe the guards are asleep.

• 1:33:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:33:56Speaker 00

  How are we not investigating them? How is there not a timeline going minute by minute through their last three months? Going through every-

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Every email, every phone call they ever did.

• 1:34:04Speaker 00

  How are they not on this podcast? Like, how are we not sitting down?

• 1:34:08Mark Gagnon?

  We could probably get one of the guards.

• 1:34:10Speaker 00

  You probably know them. Find out who goes on. Find out who goes on.

• 1:34:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:14Speaker 00

  And find out how much they pay for their Malibu homes. Cause there's a hundred percent they got a nice chunk of change to just have no clue what the fuck happened. If they were actually sleeping, it is kind of funny. Like, imagine they woke up and they're like, wait, what? What's going on? And they're like, wait, what? Epstein killed himself? Nobody's gonna believe me. Right? Like, they... Whether, whether they slept or not, nobody will ever believe them again.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:42Speaker 00

  And if they are guys that are like COs, these are not guys that like are built to keep secrets forever. Like, you work with these guys, right? It's not like, okay, a guy that has been groomed to be in the CIA since they're 18 years old? Yeah, maybe he's a secret keeper.

• 1:34:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Speaker 00

  A CO can't wait to talk some shit.

• 1:35:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  Like, people know.

• 1:35:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, we gotta check if he's paid. If he's not paid, then every other CO knows what happened down there.

• 1:35:06Speaker 00

  That's right. And even if he's paid, they know.

• 1:35:08Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm. Oh, yeah, possibly.

• 1:35:09Speaker 00

  Cause they're your friends. You're still playing in a fucking basketball league with them. Like, the, the, it's not like...

• 1:35:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but they would get jealous that they didn't get any money. So then they were snitched. So now, if you, if you took money, you can't tell anybody else.

• 1:35:21Speaker 00

  Son, we gotta know somebody that knows them. And 100% they said something. That's why them being asleep is like the most realistic. And maybe they drugged them or some shit. Like, I don't know, but like, there's no way those two guys are keeping secrets.

• 1:35:33Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:33Speaker 00

  There's no way.

• 1:35:34Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:34Speaker 00

  You gonna go back to being a CEO?

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  I mean, what if they, what if they extorted them? They go, hey, here's money to keep your mouth shut. And if you ever tell someone about this.

• 1:35:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  These people are gone. We know where you live. We know where your kids go to school.

• 1:35:47Speaker 00

  New Yorkers can't keep a secret. We can't keep information that's valuable. We're just not capable of doing it. Once we know some shit, we're telling everybody. We're telling everybody.

• 1:35:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Speaker 00

  It's not even a question.

• 1:35:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:58Speaker 00

  It's in our soul.

• 1:36:00Mark Gagnon?

  We don't, we don't make for good, like, intelligence agents.

• 1:36:02Speaker 00

  No! No!

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:36:05Speaker 00

  That's it. No, we're telling everybody. I'm shocked they haven't been on every single... I'm shocked they haven't had a Vlad interview. The fact that those of them have not sat down with Vlad is crazy. Vlad, Vlad, you've been cooking? That's the interview.

• 1:36:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Speaker 00

  It's crazy to me that I'm Vlad.

• 1:36:20Mark Gagnon?

  That is crazy.

• 1:36:21Speaker 00

  We don't even know their names.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  No, I think we do.

• 1:36:24Speaker 00

  What are their names?

• 1:36:25Speaker 01

  Uh, it looks like it's Tova Noel.

• 1:36:28Mark Gagnon?

  Tova.

• 1:36:29Speaker 01

  And Michael Thomas.

• 1:36:32Mark Gagnon?

  Tova.

• 1:36:34Speaker 06

  Yeah. Hold on a second.

• 1:36:37Mark Gagnon?

  Bruh.

• 1:36:38Speaker 00

  That's not real.

• 1:36:39Mark Gagnon?

  Bruh.

• 1:36:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I'm, the two guys.

• 1:36:42Mark Gagnon?

  I ain't never seen a Tova down there, I'ma tell you that.

• 1:36:45Speaker 06

  Tova Noel.

• 1:36:46Mark Gagnon?

  I ain't never seen a Tova.

• 1:36:47Speaker 06

  Michael Thomas fell asleep at their desk for about three hours and then they later falsified their related records.

• 1:36:52Mark Gagnon?

  Telling you.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  Who's Tova Noel?

• 1:36:54Mark Gagnon?

  I'm telling you. I seen a lot of COs. I ain't never seen a Tova down there, God.

• 1:36:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Tova Noel is.

• 1:37:04Speaker 06

  Alright. Alright.

• 1:37:06Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, he's like a.

• 1:37:07Speaker 00

  Is it the girl or the guy? Is Tova Noel?

• 1:37:10Speaker 06

  I think the woman would be Tova.

• 1:37:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:12Speaker 06

  The guy is Michael Thomas.

• 1:37:15Mark Gagnon?

  Oh. That's different.

• 1:37:17Speaker 00

  But.

• 1:37:18Speaker 06

  Oh, Al's on a different.

• 1:37:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, different. Women names, women names is crazy.

• 1:37:26Mark Gagnon?

  We know for some.

• 1:37:27Speaker 00

  You thought we sawed it?

• 1:37:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, I thought we did.

• 1:37:29Speaker 00

  You thought we sawed it right there?

• 1:37:30Mark Gagnon?

  I thought we did, she was a little darker than I thought.

• 1:37:33Speaker 00

  That's Tove. That's Tove. We wrong. Yeah. Hova, J Hova.

• 1:37:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I see it, okay. Alright, yeah, we gotta figure out what she's doing. We were almost there, like nobody else did. We're gonna break the fucking.

• 1:37:48Speaker 06

  I think they went to trial. Like, I think they got charged.

• 1:37:51Speaker 00

  And then for what?

• 1:37:52Speaker 06

  Uh, they got charged.

• 1:37:54Speaker 00

  You telling me she hasn't told everybody at the fucking Jamaican spot? You telling me that when she goes and get her little oxtail, some fucking rice and peas, she's not saying low key, hey, that motherfucker didn't kill himself. We let them go in, we said they were sleeping. Like, come on.

• 1:38:11Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, that's an honest woman right there. She takes some money and shushes up. She's honest.

• 1:38:18Speaker 00

  It might be enough to make them shush. How much does that have to be? A few mil? But if they get a few mil, people know. A few mil?

• 1:38:27Mark Gagnon?

  Fifty thou.

• 1:38:29Speaker 00

  If they get enough, people know. If they buy one thing, people are gonna know. Yeah. You think they just drugged them? Impossible. Or do you think that they got the two sleepiest COs? And they put him in there that night like, nah, these guys are out. We have a two hour window where a nuclear bomb could go off and these motherfuckers ain't waking up.

• 1:38:51Mark Gagnon?

  And it's crazy because he was on like suicide watch, right?

• 1:38:54Speaker 00

  No, I think he was taking off.

• 1:38:55Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, it took him off?

• 1:38:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's why they say like, it's, yeah. They killed his ass. You're saying they gave him a Thanksgiving dinner?

• 1:39:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, the tryptophan.

• 1:39:07Speaker 00

  What do they call that again?

• 1:39:09Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 1:39:09Speaker 00

  The itis?

• 1:39:09Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, the itis. You can't say that.

• 1:39:11Speaker 00

  I didn't say it.

• 1:39:12Mark Gagnon?

  You just said it.

• 1:39:13Speaker 00

  No, I didn't.

• 1:39:13Mark Gagnon?

  You just said it.

• 1:39:14Speaker 00

  I didn't say it.

• 1:39:15Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I was bleeped it. I heard you say it.

• 1:39:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. Bro, that's so funny. I wonder, yeah. We gotta get them on. We definitely gotta sit down with them. We gotta, that's, that's a great, that's a great conversation.

• 1:39:31Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, Tova.

• 1:39:32Speaker 00

  Tova, we need you, girl. Come on, pull up. And Michael Thomas, we need you.

• 1:39:36Speaker 06

  Do you know because he died, his charges were dismissed?

• 1:39:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:40Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 1:39:41Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 1:39:41Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you never got convicted. Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:39:44Speaker 06

  Wow. Just, just crazy. The end of that sentence.

• 1:39:46Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, but fuck him though.

• 1:39:47Speaker 06

  Just crazy, dude.

• 1:39:48Mark Gagnon?

  We don't, we don't know he's dead.

• 1:39:50Speaker 00

  True.

• 1:39:52Speaker 06

  Yeah. In late, uh, in late 2021, feds dropped charges against the two Bureau of Prison Guards responsible for monitoring Epstein on the night of his death.

• 1:40:01Speaker 00

  Tova might need to come on. You're just like him. New Yorker? From New York?

• 1:40:06Speaker 06

  They'd perform community service.

• 1:40:08Mark Gagnon?

  You be taking naps.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  You taking a lot of naps, yo.

• 1:40:10Mark Gagnon?

  Taking naps.

• 1:40:10Speaker 00

  I'm not putting a nap by anybody. I'm not putting a nap by anybody, especially if you're working an overnight. What time did they kill him?

• 1:40:18Speaker 06

  Uh, they found him at 6:30 the next morning, so overnight.

• 1:40:20Speaker 00

  So, yeah, 2 AM, 3 AM? I'm not putting a nap by anybody. I'm not gonna do that.

• 1:40:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, come on.

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  That's something I'm not gonna do.

• 1:40:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Speaker 00

  You're just like him, bro. You love a nap. I like a nap. That being said.

• 1:40:35Speaker 00

  I feel like you would hear it.

• 1:40:39Speaker 00

  I feel like you would hear somebody killing themselves.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  Do you think it'd be complete silence?

• 1:40:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I mean, he's not fighting it.

• 1:40:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 00

  Well, eventually, your body fights it. It's like, you ever hold your breath underwater and then?

• 1:40:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, because you don't want to die.

• 1:40:55Speaker 00

  How close is it? You think, you think that you could go underwater? You think you could drown yourself in a bathtub?

• 1:41:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, I mean, I don't want to die.

• 1:41:02Speaker 00

  If you wanted to, you think you could drown yourself in a bathtub?

• 1:41:04Mark Gagnon?

  People do this with autoschotic asphyxiation?

• 1:41:06Speaker 00

  No, that's to nut. They want a nut.

• 1:41:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:41:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but then they get too close and then their switch doesn't take them off and then they die.

• 1:41:13Speaker 00

  No, that doesn't happen.

• 1:41:14Mark Gagnon?

  How do they die?

• 1:41:16Speaker 00

  A fucking Mossad agent comes in and takes them out.

• 1:41:18Speaker 06

  That's how he dies.

• 1:41:20Speaker 00

  How else do you think that happens?

• 1:41:25Mark Gagnon?

  Imagine if he was just trying to get a nut off?

• 1:41:29Mark Gagnon?

  Right?

• 1:41:29Speaker 00

  What, both of them?

• 1:41:31Speaker 06

  No, Epstein.

• 1:41:32Mark Gagnon?

  Epstein! Like, maybe, you know, he's in jail too. He hasn't had no little kids around in a while?

• 1:41:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:41Mark Gagnon?

  He was just trying to get one off.

• 1:41:43Speaker 06

  He's gonna say women. I forgot.

• 1:41:46Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 1:41:47Speaker 06

  They're gonna say, oh, he didn't have any, like, women around, he's been around.

• 1:41:49Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, he had no little kids. He was jerking little egg dick.

• 1:41:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:41:56Mark Gagnon?

  He got an egg-shaped dick, that's what they say.

• 1:41:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. Who else has an egg-shaped dick?

• 1:42:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you also, you got a little egg on you.

• 1:42:02Speaker 06

  Nah.

• 1:42:03Mark Gagnon?

  You're more, mine's more like a bat.

• 1:42:08Mark Gagnon?

  Like a bat, you know?

• 1:42:10Speaker 00

  Have you guys seen the timeline for the death of Epstein?

• 1:42:13Mark Gagnon?

  What is it?

• 1:42:13Speaker 00

  They say they find him shortly after 6:30 a.m. Someone is heard screaming, "Breathe, Epstein, breathe." And an alarm is rung at 6:30.

• 1:42:22Speaker 06

  They're saying his last name?

• 1:42:24Speaker 00

  They're saying his last name, frankly. At 6:33 a.m., he's at the hospital and pronounced dead by 6:39. So in six, they got him to the hospital in six minutes and he was dead?

• 1:42:35Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 1:42:36Speaker 00

  That seems short. In nine minutes, they find him, CPR, in a hospital, pronounced dead.

• 1:42:43Mark Gagnon?

  And didn't they send him out the, the wrong exit with some boxes, remember?

• 1:42:48Speaker 00

  Well, somebody said that they tricked the crowd or whatever.

• 1:42:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  In nine minutes?

• 1:42:54Speaker 06

  Yeah. They also consequently failed to photograph Epstein's body as it was found.

• 1:43:00Speaker 00

  Guys, we don't have to, we know they killed him. Like, there's no question in my mind that they killed him.

• 1:43:07Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not convinced he's dead.

• 1:43:08Speaker 00

  Or he's not dead.

• 1:43:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:10Speaker 00

  It's one of those two.

• 1:43:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I think it's definitely one of those.

• 1:43:12Speaker 00

  He's not dead, and it's gone up to like 5%, maybe 10%.

• 1:43:15Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, you're only there?

• 1:43:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:16Mark Gagnon?

  I thought you'd be higher.

• 1:43:17Speaker 00

  No, I just think they can take him out. Like, they're just like, yeah, who cares? Let's just get rid of him. Yeah, like, what value is he alive? That's what I don't understand.

• 1:43:24Mark Gagnon?

  I thought he had kill switches.

• 1:43:25Speaker 00

  I figured, I figured they found all the kill switches, and that's why they were able to take him out.

• 1:43:29Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:30Speaker 00

  Because if they didn't, we would have had the kill switches.

• 1:43:34Mark Gagnon?

  Or, he's not dead.

• 1:43:36Speaker 00

  And they're, we are keeping him alive just because he has the kill switches?

• 1:43:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Speaker 00

  So why wouldn't they put him into a black box room and start fucking chipping away at his toes until he said where the kill switches were?

• 1:43:47Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe that's happening right now.

• 1:43:49Speaker 00

  And we're still waiting?

• 1:43:50Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know.

• 1:43:51Speaker 00

  He's got 10 toes. That's a lot of toes. A lot of toes. No, it takes time. Or give him that truth serum.

• 1:43:58Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 1:44:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:44:00Mark Gagnon?

  Somebody was slipping stuff to Wall Street Journal?

• 1:44:03Speaker 00

  What, wait, what happened with the Wall Street Journal?

• 1:44:05Mark Gagnon?

  You know, like, the, the birthday book? Like, they got that shit before the government put that out.

• 1:44:11Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:44:14Mark Gagnon?

  He would have his own birthday book?

• 1:44:15Speaker 00

  Birthday book, perfect example.

• 1:44:17Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:19Speaker 00

  Trump got a signed note to Epstein in a birthday book.

• 1:44:23Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:23Speaker 00

  They asked Trump about, he's like, I don't even believe in birthdays.

• 1:44:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:29Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? It's just like, it's like so much.

• 1:44:31Mark Gagnon?

  He says, I don't draw, some shit like that.

• 1:44:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, well, it's like, not only is that not real, it's not mine, and I've never owned a pen. Yeah, yeah. He said he didn't write it. And then they asked, they asked Wexner about the birthday book. He goes, yeah, I wrote that.

• 1:44:44Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 1:44:45Speaker 00

  Wexler kind of sold out Trump.

• 1:44:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Speaker 00

  And then it was one of the funny things, they're like, alright, so was Epstein your friend? He was like, he's never my friend. This guy used me. And he goes, oh, well, when you signed the birthday book, uh, what is this drawing here? And he's like, it's boobs. And they're like, okay. And they're like, and why, why did you sign it, your friend Leslie? And he goes, I don't know why I said that. He was never my friend.

• 1:45:07Mark Gagnon?

  He's so nice.

• 1:45:07Speaker 00

  It's like, bro.

• 1:45:08Mark Gagnon?

  These motherfuckers.

• 1:45:09Speaker 00

  How did you not anticipate this coming up? You called him your friend a bunch of times.

• 1:45:14Mark Gagnon?

  That's why the lawyer's like, yo, shut the fuck up.

• 1:45:17Speaker 00

  Say nothing.

• 1:45:19Mark Gagnon?

  You saw how like, some people were taking that as like, yo, that's his handler? And he's like, yo, if you don't shut the fuck up, I'm really gonna kill you?

• 1:45:26Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:45:27Mark Gagnon?

  There's some people who see it that way.

• 1:45:29Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:45:30Mark Gagnon?

  It's way more fun to look at it that way.

• 1:45:31Speaker 00

  The lawyer is your handler, low key.

• 1:45:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:33Speaker 00

  When you're in the courtroom, that is your handler.

• 1:45:36Mark Gagnon?

  But like, on some real shit, like, yo, I'mma kill you. If I say the wrong thing after that.

• 1:45:42Speaker 00

  No, I don't think that attorney's gonna murder Leslie Wexler. But, somebody will. Yeah.

• 1:45:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:45:49Speaker 00

  Someone will.

• 1:45:49Mark Gagnon?

  If he starts talking too much?

• 1:45:51Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:45:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:52Speaker 00

  Someone will. I mean, that's just...

• 1:45:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's crazy. So, and then apparently the, uh, the dude in Norway tried to kill himself. Oh, yeah, the ex-prime minister. Yeah. Of Norway, who is connected to Epstein in the files through like emails and stuff.

• 1:46:08Mark Gagnon?

  He tried to kill himself?

• 1:46:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is like, a day ago or something. And those guards didn't fall asleep? They found him.

• 1:46:15Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, he's locked up?

• 1:46:16Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:17Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:46:18Speaker 00

  Can you fact check this? This is, this all happened a day, I don't know this super well.

• 1:46:22Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow, I didn't hear about this one. That's crazy.

• 1:46:25Speaker 06

  Something from NPR came out this morning at like 3am about Trump files being pulled from the Epstein, uh, things mentioning Trump being pulled from the Epstein list also.

• 1:46:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, tons.

• 1:46:34Mark Gagnon?

  Allegedly.

• 1:46:34Speaker 06

  Fifty-four pages.

• 1:46:35Mark Gagnon?

  Allegedly, this girl, thirteen-year-old girl who claims that she raped her.

• 1:46:41Speaker 00

  He raped her.

• 1:46:42Mark Gagnon?

  That he raped her. The FBI interviewed her like four times, and then... Miraculously, three of the interviews have disappeared and the one that's left, she doesn't mention Trump.

• 1:46:54Speaker 01

  And there's an interview with the mother also.

• 1:46:55Speaker 00

  Was there a conclusion based on the FBI interviewing her? And then which FBI interviewed her? Is it the current FBI or is the one from past administrations?

• 1:47:03Mark Gagnon?

  No, this happened, this happened in eighty-six or so, or eighty-nine, maybe. Yeah.

• 1:47:06Speaker 00

  And the conclusion, I, I just wanna make sure, and the conclusion after those three interviews was that she was credible or she was not?

• 1:47:13Mark Gagnon?

  We don't know.

• 1:47:14Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:47:15Mark Gagnon?

  But to interview her four times, that's usually a crazy, it's like, wow, this bitch is crazy.

• 1:47:20Speaker 00

  What, what, what I would say is that like, if this was in the eighties, they don't go fuck about Donald Trump.

• 1:47:24Mark Gagnon?

  He's still kinda making...

• 1:47:27Speaker 00

  Again, I'm not trying to defend him, what I'm trying to say is, it's, he's not in a position of power where the FBI and the real power brokers in the eighties are like, oh, we gotta protect him. Unless there's something we don't know.

• 1:47:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:47:40Speaker 00

  Unless he's aware of this even from way back in the day.

• 1:47:44Mark Gagnon?

  Or unless Epstein's like, yo, that's my guy, don't come after him right now, because I'm working him.

• 1:47:50Speaker 00

  That's a good point, that's interesting.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  Hmm. Also, apparently there was a report that came out that the US government helped Epstein travel after his conviction. So in two thousand eight, he gets convicted and that affects his ability to travel and then apparently there's certain emails that he has governmental access in order to travel. And people, once again, are like, he, this like, is just more intelligence proof, that like, the government is like facilitating his foreign travel, like giving him clearances and shit. This is just some random article that I saw, I mean, I think it was, it was credible, but...

• 1:48:24Speaker 00

  It is really interesting that like...

• 1:48:25Mark Gagnon?

  There's nothing there, guys.

• 1:48:26Speaker 00

  No, no, of course it's a hoax, there's nothing there, but like...

• 1:48:28Mark Gagnon?

  Assertions?

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  What was it? No, inferences.

• 1:48:30Speaker 00

  Inferences, it's just inferences. But it is really interesting, though, that like, they would release all of this and redact. One, it makes you go, what the fuck is redacted? Cause there's already so much shit that is incriminating enough, that bare minimum, the inference you can make is that he has incredible leverage and power that is unjustified by anything in the emails. In other words, like, the power is there.

• 1:48:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:00Speaker 00

  Why are these banks using him as an intermediary? You know, why are wealthy people using him as an intermediary? What type of leverage does he have? But there's no justification in the emails as to why he has this leverage or power.

• 1:49:14Speaker 00

  And clearly, if we understood that, it kind of solves everything.

• 1:49:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Speaker 00

  Now, it doesn't solve why he likes children, he's a fucking creep. And why all these other people might be into it as well. But the leverage and power, I think, is the thing that solves. I think the internet and obviously us are just like, holy shit, all these incredibly powerful people are into like having sex with children. I also think they're probably above age prostitutes that they're banging as well. I don't, I don't subscribe to this idea that they're all like, no, we want them to be this specific age. Yeah, I'm sure there's some creeps that are into it, but like if he's throwing fuck parties on an island.

• 1:49:50Speaker 00

  You know, I don't know if, if Bill Gates is rattling off emails, they have to be 16 years old.

• 1:49:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I don't think that.

• 1:49:57Speaker 00

  But again, this is what is the most salacious, the most abhorrent, the most, you know, just diabolical. But I do think you solve the reason for his leverage. And then everything starts to make sense.

• 1:50:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:11Speaker 00

  And no one can thwart that. I've, I've seen certain people like, you know, try to make arguments, they're like, oh, well, the, the, the pedophile ring is overblown. And there's nothing really there to substantiate it and da, da, da, da. Meaning this global blackmail pedophile ring. I've seen people make these arguments, which is like, you're fucking brave right now to be the guy defending Jeffrey Epstein. But none of those people can justify his power leverage. I haven't heard anybody.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the fact that you've got a former prime minister of a massive, powerful country.

• 1:50:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:41Speaker 01

  Killing himself or trying to kill himself to get away from whatever is going to come up in these files. To me, it's like, ah, they're all guilty.

• 1:50:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  Like, they did some fucking crazy shit. Any of this like, because even I would try to like.

• 1:50:54Speaker 00

  It can't be the shame of fucking hookers. That's the thing. I don't think that that's enough.

• 1:50:58Speaker 01

  Right. And then even like insider trading, state secrets, I'm like, probably not like, it has to be some real fucked up shit to make you want to off yourself. Or to make Trump want to release UFO files. I'm like, ah, they got something. They got something. The second you're like, yo, guys, aliens are real. It's like, oh, shit. They did something bad, dude. Trump hates aliens. And he's like, dude, they got the aliens. I'm like, come on, dude. That's, it's a bad look. It's a bad, bad situation.

• 1:51:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he tried to kill himself.

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:33Speaker 00

  I think we gotta interview him.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  On the pod. We gotta get him on the pod.

• 1:51:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  Right next to Tova.

• 1:51:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, right next to Tova in the world.

• 1:51:41Mark Gagnon?

  He can be a potential kitty fucker. I don't want to talk to him.

• 1:51:44Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 1:51:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:45Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good ass point. You're protecting us.

• 1:51:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you guys gotta be careful you platform, guys.

• 1:51:54Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 1:51:55Speaker 00

  That's a good point. I just can't, I just can't imagine, I just can't imagine Europeans care that much about banging hookers.

• 1:52:04Mark Gagnon?

  They care way more than we apparently care, because they're punishing their motherfuckers.

• 1:52:10Speaker 00

  No, meaning like, it must be something else, because simply like fucking cheating on your wife or whatever, isn't that like a European way of life? Again, that's just kind of, I don't see them.

• 1:52:22Mark Gagnon?

  Tell my wife that.

• 1:52:24Speaker 00

  She moved here for a reason. I just see us taking it societally much more serious than they do. Even if that's a stereotype, but like the French, you know, the Spanish, the Italians, like, I don't see them, maybe in the Scandinavian countries a little different, but like, I don't see them like, thinking that having like a little side piece is like that antithetical to their culture. Whereas like in America, it's like taboo, you shouldn't do that. Not saying we don't, but it's enough, it's a taboo. This is bad. So it's like if they're killing themselves over like, extramarital affairs, it's hard for me to believe.

• 1:53:03Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck some kids.

• 1:53:03Speaker 00

  Some shit went down.

• 1:53:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, allegedly.

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  They have a whole city for prostitution.

• 1:53:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like a normalized thing there.

• 1:53:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:12Speaker 00

  They're deviant people, like, they're not like god fearing good people.

• 1:53:17Speaker 00

  It's like, that's why the.

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  That's why we left.

• 1:53:19Speaker 00

  Puritans had to come here.

• 1:53:20Speaker 01

  That's why you wouldn't represent them in the Olympics for 50 million dollars.

• 1:53:23Speaker 00

  How much? Never, no, 100%, no. No, definitely not. Okay, guys, uh, listen.

• 1:53:33Speaker 01

  Let's talk about the Mexico thing.

• 1:53:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  On Patreon.

• 1:53:36Speaker 00

  We'll do it on Patreon. We're going to Patreon right now, patreon.com/flagrant. We'll see you guys over there. Peace.

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