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As Techtember continues the news doesn't stop. This week's episode Marques, Andrew, and David talk about the Googlebook releases, some more interesting Apple products we could see this year, possibly the phone of the year that isn't even coming to the US, and wrap it up with an absolute crash out about YouTubes new features. Links: 9to5Google: Googlebook Hands On Video The Verge: Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6 Chipsets Gurman: Apple Rumored Fitness Band YouTube: Made On 2026 Motorola: Signature 27 press release This episode brought to you by: Square: https://www.square.com/go/waveform Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Granola.ai: https://www.granola.ai/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:03David Imel?

  Yo, what's up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez.

• 1:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

• 1:10David Imel?

  We've got Ellis and Adam over at the producer desk, and we've got a lot to talk about, because it's still tech-tember. We've got a look at, a first look at Google Books, for real, for real. The new Snapdragon chipsets, a couple of Apple rumors, and then some nutty specs for the OnePlus 16. I might cry. And then also some existential thoughts on new YouTube features.

• 1:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Our favorite thing to talk about.

• 1:32David Imel?

  I've thought about them so much. Yeah.

• 1:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Am I so much the hour car ride here? And he's ready to go off. Make sure you stick to the end.

• 1:40David Imel?

  Every second of that car.

• 1:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Make sure you subscribe to see us take advantage of all of these sick new YouTube features.

• 1:45David Imel?

  Yeah. At lunch, we started to have a crash out, and then we said, save it for the pod.

• 1:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I screamed it from across the room.

• 1:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Shut up, everyone.

• 1:52David Imel?

  But first, did they even test this? Did they, Ellis?

• 1:57Speaker 04

  Dude, I don't think so, man. Because this one, this one's been really, okay. It used to happen to me a lot, and then it stopped happening, and then it happened to me again on Tuesday, yesterday. And it made me so angry that I was like, I'm going straight to the podcast with this. There is a weird feature in the Apple Alarm Clock. I'm pretty sure I've spoken about it on this podcast in the past, but we're bringing it up again, because this is so, this is the, there's, I've never seen a bug that is more antithetical to the functioning of a tech product than this.

• 2:33Speaker 04

  When your iPhone is in standby mode, on MagSafe, and the alarm goes off, sometimes the alarm does not go off. Instead, you get a notification on your phone, like a normal iOS notification, that says alarm. And there is nothing more infuriating than waking up an hour after your alarm goes off with an hour-old notification that says alarm and no sound player.

• 3:04David Imel?

  Can I ask a question?

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 3:06David Imel?

  Are you on iOS 27 or 26?

• 3:10Speaker 04

  I'm not a beta, I don't use any betas.

• 3:12David Imel?

  But 27 is out.

• 3:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It's officially out, as of a few days.

• 3:14David Imel?

  So if you have updated your phone in the last week or two to the...

• 3:18Speaker 04

  No way.

• 3:19Andrew Manganelli?

  And so it weirdly sounds like...

• 3:20David Imel?

  26, okay. The other question is, so iOS 27, believe it or not, iOS 27 is the first version of iOS that you can independently control alarm volume and system volume.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:34David Imel?

  I would wonder if it's potentially you had your system volume all the way down, and in iOS 26, that means no volume for your alarm? And if it fixes when you update?

• 3:45Speaker 04

  That's an excellent proposal, and perhaps my system volume down, but I do want to say, it's not, because when your alarm goes off, when your phone's in standby mode, two buttons appear. Silence Alarm and Snooze Alarm. That's not what's happening. My phone is just in the normal standby mode. When I take it off the charger and flip it, the...

• 4:04David Imel?

  Just notification.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  And it doesn't even have to be the most recent notification. Like, I could have gotten text messages since then. And what's, my theory is that it, because my iPhone goes into sleep mode automatically every night, like because of my bedtime.

• 4:19David Imel?

  Sleep-focus mode?

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, sleep-focus mode, bedtime mode.

• 4:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 04

  My theory is that it silences the notification, and sometimes it gets confused. Here's my other theory, is I have noticed some mornings, I can trigger this behavior on purpose. And the way I do it is, and I'm still fooling around, because not only, not only is it a very complicated weird thing, but it happens the first thing in the morning, so I'm not there, you know? But it's like, if I've noticed, if I try to hit the snooze button, and I miss, and I just tap anywhere on the phone, so I'm not hitting any of the buttons, I'm just misinputting on the screen, sometimes it will trigger this behavior. Yeah.

• 5:04David Imel?

  Interesting. That is also something to keep in mind, because some wireless chargers sometimes cause rogue touch inputs, I've noticed. Very rare, but sometimes that does happen.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Either way, to me, this is such like an apocalyptic scenario for an alarm.

• 5:22Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like the worst thing that, it's the only job.

• 5:25Speaker 04

  Not just for it to not work, but for, when I do wake up, for it to be like, yo, an hour ago, you, this happened.

• 5:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like it's a sound, it's definitely a sound thing. I think the fact that it's a notification doesn't mean the sleep or snooze thing didn't pop up, it just may have popped up so long ago that then went away. Right? Because I think if an alarm plays for long enough without anything happening, it will stop.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Will it?

• 5:51David Imel?

  The audio will stop, but the little notification will stay there.

• 5:55Andrew Manganelli?

  So if like that comes in, and then another notification comes in, will it not override the snooze part?

• 6:00Speaker 04

  We're in standby mode, so there's no notifications. Like, the standby mode screen gets overridden by two large buttons coming up when your alarm. One of them says snooze, so those buttons are not there. It's as if the alarm never went off, except in the notifications.

• 6:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm wondering if you let an alarm run for long enough on standby mode, if it would eventually turn off, assuming that like, a phone was left behind? Because it's not going to go off till your battery dies.

• 6:23David Imel?

  I have a question, Ellis. Because your phone can be in silent mode, which is obviously the silent toggle.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:28David Imel?

  But that is separate from like your ringtone volume. And in iOS 26, your ringtone volume was tied to your alarm volume.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Wait.

• 6:39David Imel?

  And now they're separate.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  Wait, you can be in silent mode with your ringtone on?

• 6:43David Imel?

  Yes.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what Marquez was saying. No, is that true? Because I thought toggling the silent mode turns your ringtone off, but you can still have app sounds.

• 6:52David Imel?

  I think it's system volume. See, I think we're all wrong.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  It doesn't matter, because...

• 6:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny, because all of this is a bad, this is all bad user experience, and alarm should...

• 7:00David Imel?

  It's shocking that iOS 27 is the first version. I'm trying to like...

• 7:03Speaker 04

  And also, I just want to say, I am a audible ringtone person.

• 7:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, you deserve to not get woken up.

• 7:09David Imel?

  I didn't know that.

• 7:09Andrew Manganelli?

  That's on you.

• 7:10David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 7:11Andrew Manganelli?

  That's karma.

• 7:11David Imel?

  I don't think I've met anyone else who's a... It says your alarm is tied to your ringer, is what it says. Right.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  So, wait, so that means if your ringer is off? No, that doesn't make sense.

• 7:21David Imel?

  It didn't. 26 versions of iOS, it didn't make sense, I agree.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  So if your ringtone is off, your alarm in the morning will go off?

• 7:28David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, it'll be silent, just like your ringer. Wait, no way.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  My alarm went off this morning, and it didn't go off yesterday morning, and I didn't touch my ringer between those two.

• 7:37David Imel?

  Maybe we should cut this little section, because I'm not actually sure that's true.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  No, leave it, because this is proof that this is stupid. The alarm volume, an alarm is an alarm, especially when the iPhone does so much to be like, yo, dude, I'm automatically making sure you're waking up in the morning. You don't have to set an alarm. It should override everything. You know what I'm doing. I'm asleep, and then I'm getting out of bed.

• 7:58David Imel?

  It says in iOS 27, Apple lets you change your alarm volume independently from your ringtone.

• 8:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, even if we got some minor thing about that wrong, the general consensus here is that the alarm is dumb as f***.

• 8:08David Imel?

  It should always override.

• 8:10Andrew Manganelli?

  My favorite thing about being a non-iPhone user on this podcast is learning things like these and realizing people live with that.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  This is not California, okay? I cannot just roll into work whenever I want.

• 8:22David Imel?

  That's true. That's what I've been saying.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  Trying to get here on time.

• 8:26David Imel?

  That's what Marquez was saying. Um, yeah, well, that's a good, yeah. Well, they apparently tested it enough to fix it in the new version, so you should update your phone. Also, iOS 27 introduces a lot of other features, so you might enjoy it. Plus, you're on an iPhone 17 Pro, so come on. Get ready for Apple Intelligence, Ellis. You could clear up your liquid glass even more. You got the new Siri? You know, you can ask what my address is?

• 8:50Speaker 04

  I can ask what your address is?

• 8:52David Imel?

  Yeah, if I've texted it to you before. You can tell, ask Siri that.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Maybe I'll ask my...

• 8:57David Imel?

  You ask your alarm that?

• 8:58Speaker 04

  I can ask my alarm that. So I just thought of another, did they even test this, but I'm going to save it.

• 9:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Save it for next week.

• 9:03David Imel?

  Save it for the pod, okay. Well, something that we're not completely sure they test, because the rollout of this was kind of confusing, and we're still kind of putting the pieces together, even though we had briefings, is the Google Book. We mentioned this really briefly last week, because they had opened up an opportunity to let people know that pre-orders were coming for a computer that they didn't really talk about, they just sort of said what the basic features were going to be. But now, they've had an official announcement for the Google Book varieties.

• 9:35Andrew Manganelli?

  The Google Books, it's all the ones we kind of expected.

• 9:37David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Acer, Asus, HP, Dell, Lenovo.

• 9:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:40Andrew Manganelli?

  A couple of things, you know, we were speculating last week, there were some things we got right, they do all have a glow bar, and it seems like the glow bar is actually RGB from some of the videos I saw.

• 9:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:50Andrew Manganelli?

  And although I believe from what I saw, it only really shows battery level indicators right now, is one of the things, but they're letting third-party app developers develop for it, which is really cool. So that means the sky's the limit.

• 10:03David Imel?

  It wasn't just battery in our briefing, it had like a few different animations.

• 10:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Was it? I thought only the Lenovo one.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Had different animations.

• 10:11Speaker 06

  This is what I mean.

• 10:12Andrew Manganelli?

  This is why it's all very confusing.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  You can preorder this and we still don't know is ridiculous.

• 10:16Speaker 06

  In it, yeah, it's always a bit of a red flag when preorders go up, but like, no one's ever really even played with them. They did have like a media, like event where you could touch them and play with them that I could not make. So that's on me, but still, usually we have review units by now, so it's kind of strange.

• 10:35Speaker 04

  Do we confirm it's red?

• 10:36Speaker 06

  What?

• 10:37Speaker 04

  The glow bar?

• 10:38Andrew Manganelli?

  There is red in it.

• 10:38Speaker 06

  There is red in it.

• 10:39David Imel?

  And some of them do have the technology.

• 10:41Andrew Manganelli?

  It doesn't need to be in the same spot. It looks like it can be anywhere on the back. Some of them are like left the lines. Most of them were middle. They do all say Google Book. They all have a function and a G button, which there's a couple of weird things about the G button. One, I'm a total idiot and last week said it should be a Gemini button, but I'm realizing, no, it's replacing the Windows key. It's the start menu button.

• 11:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:02Andrew Manganelli?

  And obviously this is Google Book OS, so therefore it is the Google Book start menu button. Yes, I did say Google Book OS because apparently it's now called Google Book OS, which

• 11:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Is almost as silly as googlebook.google.

• 11:14Speaker 06

  So I'm pretty sure, you know how we named the podcast WTF is Google Book? I'm pretty sure I'm gonna make it, I need to make a video that's like actually answering that question.

• 11:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Also name your episode. With this episode should be what the fuck is the Google Book times two again?

• 11:30Speaker 04

  Wait, for real this time?

• 11:31Speaker 06

  Yeah. It seems to the best of what we can gather is it's this collection of five laptops that have some set of minimum requirements that are guided by Google to make them Google Books. They all run this OS. It's not Chrome OS. It's not Android. It's Google Book OS. It's a new OS. They're all thin and light. I think there's no number that they have to hit, but they're all thin and light. They all have a glow bar.

• 11:53Andrew Manganelli?

  They're all premium material.

• 11:54Speaker 06

  Premium. And yeah, then, then there's some questions about do they have to start at 16 gigs RAM or do they all just happen to? I think the lowest priced one was $9.99.

• 12:05Andrew Manganelli?

  So there's an $8.99, but Acer said that was only

• 12:10Speaker 06

  Temporary.

• 12:10Andrew Manganelli?

  The launch price. Yeah. And that they're reevaluating pricing over time based on component supplies and other market pressures. So it's a great starting number.

• 12:18Speaker 06

  Market price. Seafood of the day pricing. Okay.

• 12:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like cat of the day.

• 12:23Speaker 06

  The other, real quick.

• 12:24Andrew Manganelli?

  $1,400. Weird thing about the G button is that it's the capital G for Google and one requirement that it seems that somebody said in a video, I think it was the Android Authority video is all keyboards have to be lowercase characters. Which I don't know why that seems so silly to me.

• 12:41Speaker 06

  Quirky.

• 12:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it because? So you're not confusing now the button with the Google logo being a capital G or just like, to me, it feels funny being like, everything needs to be this like premium material and serious and

• 12:54Speaker 06

  Oh no.

• 12:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Seriously.

• 12:55Speaker 06

  There's a Google logo on my keyboard.

• 12:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that the G?

• 12:58Speaker 06

  Is that the G?

• 12:59Andrew Manganelli?

  But now all lowercase just feels silly. Give them the option. Who cares about capitals? I don't know.

• 13:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:07Speaker 04

  I am excited for this though.

• 13:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I am too.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  I want another kind of laptop competitor in the space. And if it could be someone as big as Google that can just like burn money for a decade until this becomes a viable competitor, like sure.

• 13:19Speaker 06

  You assume it's gonna last a decade.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Well, they said 10 years of updates, so at least a decade.

• 13:24Speaker 06

  They did say.

• 13:25Andrew Manganelli?

  They said 10 years of updates, it's still Google. They also said that, what was it? Google One, remember that? What was the free upgrade program where they didn't even make it to the next set of upgrades for people who bought it?

• 13:36Speaker 06

  It was the Pixel Upgrade Plan, right?

• 13:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I forget exactly. They have too many names.

• 13:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll try and really quick, out of the five laptops that got launched, there are, all of them have at least base 16 gigabytes of RAM. Some were up to 32. All of them have at least 256 gigs of storage. Some went up to one terabyte. XPS is 13 inch, Acer Asus HP 14 inch, and the Lenovo's 15 inch. All of them have some sort of biometrics, whether it's fingerprint reader or Face ID. Premium materials kept getting mentioned, yet everyone just would randomly name premium materials. So I don't know if this means we will not ever see a plastic Google Book.

• 14:11Speaker 06

  It seems like the goal is for them to be built well and sort of premium in their positioning. So I guess that sort of means they should always use metal.

• 14:20David Imel?

  I mean, I have to note that they have Chrome OS, which has, there's Chromebooks now, but there's also Chromebook Plus. And now there's also Google Books because Google Books are not replacing either of these.

• 14:30Speaker 06

  Right.

• 14:31David Imel?

  Which is really weird.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  And I think they're trying to differentiate this lineup from the Chromebooks.

• 14:36Speaker 06

  Yes, for sure.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Chromebooks have the bad rep of being the cheap one, even though they weren't. There was some really nice made.

• 14:40David Imel?

  Yeah, which is why they had Chromebook Plus, which is crazy because Chromebook Plus only launched like a year ago.

• 14:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromebook to me, like Chrome OS feels like the cloud-based operating system and the differentiating on this is like, it is a Android desktop experience kind of thing. With some AI, there's really not as many AI features as I thought were gonna be in this, which I kind of like. The four main ones I saw were, they all have Rambler.

• 15:03Speaker 06

  Good.

• 15:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is awesome. There's an AI-powered search function, which sounds crazy, but it really just means in your files management, you can search like cat picture.

• 15:12Speaker 06

  Right.

• 15:12Andrew Manganelli?

  And hopefully get pictures of cats. I think that's good.

• 15:14David Imel?

  There was one where it's like, if you have a file that's called like xa4792.jpg, but there's a picture of a cat in it, you can search cat and it pops up. It's semantic search.

• 15:23Andrew Manganelli?

  It's great.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:24Andrew Manganelli?

  The magic pointer, which we did talk about because they did tease this last week, which is lets you shake your mouse and get AI features like, it's like Google Lens, but with Gemini. And then the ability to create home screen widgets, which

• 15:35Speaker 06

  Which is cool.

• 15:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I think is awesome. So those are actually four really nice AI features that doesn't make this feel like a

• 15:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh my God, AI book only. Like it does kind of feel nice.

• 15:45David Imel?

  It's more of an Android book.

• 15:47Andrew Manganelli?

  For sure.

• 15:47David Imel?

  That's the interesting thing about it. Like for those who are not around at this point in time, we used to have phones that you would attach to a laptop, like the Motorola LapDoc.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  The Motorola Atrix too.

• 15:57David Imel?

  Atrix. And you would basically use your phone as your computer on this shell. Now this, this idea is like, okay, dedicated hardware, but your phone is still like your primary computing device throughout your day. So we're just gonna have all of your files, all of your apps. Everything that you do on your phone is gonna be accessible on this laptop. And it's also going to have like widescreen modes for when you wanna have your apps, but bigger. So I think that that's a cool idea. And then they're sort of just sprinkling the AI stuff on top. It's not specifically a Gemini book with Android capabilities. It's more of an Android book with Gemini capabilities.

• 16:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Android desktop. Yeah.

• 16:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:35Andrew Manganelli?

  And a lot of it was like, it still has Play Store and all the apps are from the Play Store. Through that, there's a certain, like it says, if things are like optimized for Google Book, made for Google Book, or just like better used in a web browser. I think it's funny that they're all. Yeah, exactly. And then in that, you can also mirror from your phone. So there's something called continue on, which lets you between apps, just let you continue on between them. Or the phone mirroring just literally means if you don't have the app on your Google Book, you can still use it connected to your phone and do that. It pops up in a little phone-sized screen.

• 17:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:12Andrew Manganelli?

  And you can do things on there, which is pretty cool, especially if you think something with a keyboard is easier.

• 17:16David Imel?

  Yeah, I think a lot of this makes sense. It's funny because when they were making Android more compatible with multiple screen sizes, we were all kind of like, oh, well, it's a combination of one, they're making foldables. So they want foldables of various different screen sizes. Two, they have like a Dex-like experience now where you can plug in your phone into a display and you wanna be able to use like a Chrome OS type experience. But now the flexible display size is makes a lot of sense because now when you continue on, on your laptop, you want it to transition very seamlessly from your phone to your laptop. So making Android very flexible is in their benefit here.

• 17:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it'll be interesting to see what this competes with because being premium, you're gotta compare it to some premium stuff. I also still kind of wonder how functional it is without an internet connection. Like we were talking about Chromebooks being the online thing. Like what they do is you give, you have Chrome and you do the things you do in Chrome. And if you don't have an internet connection, a Chromebook's not very useful.

• 18:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 06

  How useful will this be? Like, to me, that's why it feels more like Android. Like I can have an offline photo and a photo editing app or tool, and I can still do that offline and everything will work. So that should be fine. But I'm just curious like how much Gemini stuff. I think Rambler works offline. How much other stuff works offline?

• 18:30David Imel?

  Works partially offline.

• 18:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, will this connect to the internet and then your phone? Like, you know how on the phone, one of the features is you take a picture and it'll show up instantly in your files? Will that work with no internet?

• 18:40Speaker 04

  Bluetooth or wifi.

• 18:41Speaker 06

  That's my question.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  The device.

• 18:44David Imel?

  That is my, my question for sure. Yeah, I did not get an answer on that. I don't really know how that file sharing thing works or how the app sharing thing works.

• 18:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm hoping it's direct to the phone.

• 18:53Speaker 06

  That would be ideal.

• 18:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 18:55David Imel?

  Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. So.

• 18:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, 10 years of updates, quarterly updates, similar to Android. Again, 10 years coming from Google is the most worrisome thing I've ever seen.

• 19:05David Imel?

  AI is gonna kill us with the 10 years.

• 19:06Andrew Manganelli?

  But if you wanna know more, Jordan from nine to five Google had a very good video on it and covered and showed a lot of the stuff. And also available October 4th. So again, teaser, press, especially because press was something where Rambler is the main, one of the main features of AI in a roomful of a billion people. I haven't seen a single example of Rambler working on it because it can't hear you, but.

• 19:28David Imel?

  Oh, well, that's funny. October 4th, funny date because the Pixel 1 was launched on October 4th of 2016.

• 19:35Speaker 04

  Every year, October 4th, I'm like, what, what happened? Like, what's going on today? Today feels like an important day. And I'm like, oh, it was just because when that event happened, I had it like drilled into my brain.

• 19:44David Imel?

  They made a big deal about October 4th, 2016, because Hiroshi Lockheimer said in eight years, you're not gonna recognize Android. So it's, it's notable that they're releasing it on that day because like, does that say something about what they think about this product? Or is it just random? Probably random.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  It's Google.

• 19:59David Imel?

  Speaking of smartphone-related things sometimes, Qualcomm has launched their new 2 nanometer chipsets. Usually at Snapdragon Summit, they launch their flagship, but this year they launched a flagship and an elite version of the flagship.

• 20:16Speaker 06

  So I feel like I can actually explain this, even though the names are terrible.

• 20:20David Imel?

  They're really bad.

• 20:21Andrew Manganelli?

  They're so bad.

• 20:21Speaker 06

  Right. Okay. So there's a new Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6 and a Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6.

• 20:28David Imel?

  Yep.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  So every year around this time, we start to get like the first phones with the new chip. And so the new flagship chip, as you can tell by the name, is a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6. Like we had the, where is it?

• 20:39David Imel?

  Snapdragon Elite Extreme Gen 6.

• 20:42Speaker 06

  Well, okay, this was, I have the one plus 15 in my hands right now. This had the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5.

• 20:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 06

  And that was the highest-end chip from Qualcomm. And what you saw is you had like different manufacturers tuning it different ways based on their device.

• 20:55David Imel?

  For Galaxy.

• 20:56Speaker 06

  Yeah. So you had the for Galaxy one and Samsung phones. If you had like an ROG phone, they would like overclock it a little bit and you'd get like the best, highest clock speeds, best possible one or whatever.

• 21:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 06

  So I'm pretty sure what's happening here is we have a new Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6. And then for the ones that want to get a little higher clock speed, a little extra performance or whatever, those extra few frames, they have a slightly higher clocks version called the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6. It's a terrible name, but all it is is a slightly higher performing version of the same chip.

• 21:27David Imel?

  Well, that's, that makes me wonder, will there be a Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 for Galaxy?

• 21:34Speaker 06

  That's a good question. I'd, yeah, I do wonder about the four galaxy thing. Cause like, whenever you hear four galaxy, they always explained it as like, oh yeah, a couple of extra NPU things here, a couple of extra like features there, whatever, a little extra clock speed.

• 21:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  That, you know, that chip wasn't anywhere else.

• 21:49David Imel?

  Right.

• 21:49Speaker 06

  So you couldn't really compare it to anything else. So yeah.

• 21:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 06

  TBD on that.

• 21:53David Imel?

  So it has some new features. It can do 8K 60 FPS recording or 4K 240. Marquez is very happy. He wants more 8K. Support for the APV codec and also a larger shared memory pool for the NPU and an AI dedicated matrix cores for GPU and more memory for better gaming performance.

• 22:12Andrew Manganelli?

  What does any of that mean?

• 22:14David Imel?

  I think it'll be faster.

• 22:15Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 22:16David Imel?

  So people are saying that the extreme chip is a pretty minor upgrade over the regular one this year. Um, so it's going to be interesting who decides to use it because I'm sure that Qualcomm is going to charge quite a bit extra for those chips. One company who is using it though, is Motorola, who has pre-announced a new device called the Motorola Signature 27.

• 22:36Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 22:37David Imel?

  Uh, have you seen this phone yet, Marquez?

• 22:38Speaker 06

  No.

• 22:39David Imel?

  Please click the link.

• 22:40Speaker 06

  Wait, I did see a screenshot of this. Okay. I don't really know anything else other than what I saw. This is a hilarious looking phone.

• 22:46David Imel?

  It's a really weird looking phone. It has four cameras and a ambiguous black dot. Um, that we're not sure what it is yet.

• 22:53Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a flash around.

• 22:54David Imel?

  Yeah, there's a flash around it. So not totally sure. They are being very ambiguous with the specs of this phone. They have announced a few of the specs, but not all of them. It's supposed to launch by the end of the year. Um, there is a, it's got obviously the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6. Aluminum with a woven tactical back texture on the black and a brushed textile finish on the green version.

• 23:18Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 23:19David Imel?

  Uh, they call this, the, the camera plateau, they call it the camera plane. So it's not a Mesa.

• 23:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, this, it's slow, it gradually goes up.

• 23:29David Imel?

  It slopes up.

• 23:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Kind of like the D brand cases, how they've made it. Like it slopes on them now.

• 23:34David Imel?

  It slopes up. So it's not, it's the camera plane. It's not the Mesa. It's not the plateau. Uh, there's four cameras, the main, uh, the, there's a periscope 200 megapixel telephoto and a 50 megapixel main camera, which they were talking big about because it was some new Sony sensor that's supposed to be a really big deal.

• 23:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Really quick with cameras. I'm confused because almost anytime when you see a camera and like a rectangle cut out inside of it, that means periscope, except this other camera in the top right says.

• 24:00David Imel?

  Well, they could both be periscope.

• 24:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Dolby Vision 200 megapixel, 100x super zoom.

• 24:05David Imel?

  Yeah, I don't know. Who knows, man? There's also a Bang & Olufsen logo, like right in between all the cameras, which looks really ugly. And I just wanted to note really quickly, we've seen a lot of companies redesigning their logos recently. McLaren just redesigned their logo. There's been a lot of company redesigns. I think BNO might have to do it soon. It kind of, I don't know. I don't know, man.

• 24:25Speaker 06

  This looks like one of those bad logo redesigns. Is this, this is their historical logo?

• 24:29David Imel?

  This is their historical logo.

• 24:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if it just looks extra worse because it's on a 90 or a.

• 24:34David Imel?

  They're ahead of their time, man. This is terrible. Tilted? Yeah. Uh, so it's got Bang & Olufsen audio. Um, and I guess they had to slap that in between the cameras.

• 24:43Speaker 06

  Do I point out that means nothing to me?

• 24:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 06

  So I, I literally, this might, no, it's not going to get me [BLEEP]. I.

• 24:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Be careful, Marquez.

• 24:52Speaker 06

  I legitimately, every, every single company wants to tell you that they have Dolby surround support or whatever. And I literally never write it down. I do not care.

• 25:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:03Speaker 06

  Whenever you say, oh, speakers are by Bang & Olufsen or by, or the, by this extra, I do not care.

• 25:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't care that they're all Samsung speakers?

• 25:10Speaker 06

  Well, the Dolby thing just is like, it supports their exact spec. It kind of feels like, uh, like DXO mark at this point. Like doesn't, to hit a Dolby certification, maybe Ellis, you know this, like you have to just do it the way Dolby, Dolby says, and then you get the certification.

• 25:25David Imel?

  What does that mean in a phone?

• 25:27Speaker 06

  It just means.

• 25:27David Imel?

  Crossfade, Ellis.

• 25:28Speaker 06

  Nice surround stereo image. I don't know. It's not that important.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  In a phone, uh, hmm, how do I explain this? Uh, in a phone, it has a lot more to do, uh, it has lots to do with hardware specs and more to do with DSP and codec stuff. That's like the best way to put it. Um, it's meaning that the internal processing that's calculating things like loudness is going to be put through the Dolby engine. Um, it does not mean that you'll get that much. What it also means is if it's Dolby Atmos supported, if you're watching content that's encoded in Dolby Atmos, which is different than a normal PCM audio stream, um, the phone will be able to decode it directly to the amp that's driving the speaker. Whether that means you'll get a superior playback experience, maybe it doesn't.

• 26:17Speaker 06

  That's my main point.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  That's who's to say, but it does mean that if you're watching something on a streaming service that has Dolby Atmos, you will at least know you're getting a Dolby Atmos stream to your, to your thing. The Dolby Vision that is also on this phone.

• 26:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Is only on, there is no Dolby Atmos on this phone? It's Dolby Vision.

• 26:36David Imel?

  Dolby Vision is another one that means nothing to me.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Dolby Vision is a specific HDR standard. Um, it's a, it's a specific HDR encoding schema that, I think does frame by frame HDR, like, like it's not, it's not doing any sort of.

• 26:52David Imel?

  Almost exactly from my Google search, word for word. Go Ellis.

• 26:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Damn, Ellis is AI overview.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  No, I love, I, I love standards and codecs and stuff.

• 27:00Speaker 06

  And I mean, I'll see, uh, I'll see a spec sheet on a device that says it has this max number of nits and this contrast ratio and it supports this HDR. And I'm like, that's also nice. Great. It will work with HDR and it will have, it'll do the HDR effects with the high brightness and stuff. And I see Dolby Vision and I'm like, that basically is the same thing. I don't feel a special way about getting Dolby Vision.

• 27:20David Imel?

  Yeah. But I mean, there's always like an open source version of the thing that these people are standardizing and stuff.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  It, it's not, I wouldn't say it is ProRes, but I think you can think of it in a similar way to ProRes in the sense of if you're shooting on a camera that supports ProRes and then you're editing in Final Cut on a Mac, you can get the full experience and use out of that data protocol.

• 27:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  It's not a standard like ProRes is. It's not anything like that, but that's the way I would think about it. It's like, if you're in that pipeline, it makes sense. And in theory, if for some reason you shot something on this that you would put in a Dolby theater, you could go end to end. Yes.

• 28:03Speaker 06

  To be clear, it ruined it for me.

• 28:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  The MacBook Neo, I remember getting the demo from the MacBook Neo and listening to speakers for the first time. And they said, don't worry, these are Dolby Atmos speakers. And I hit play and I was like, these sound terrible. So whenever I hear Dolby Atmos, I just make sure to remind myself, that doesn't mean they sound good.

• 28:20David Imel?

  Doesn't mean.

• 28:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Why can't anyone just say like, these sound good. Listen for yourselves. We need.

• 28:25Speaker 06

  Because it's like the, when you put Leica on the back of a camera, you're supposed to go, oh, that means it's good. When they put like the special name with the collaborative, like that, it's supposed to associate with quality. And I think that's what Dolby has become in many ways. They go, oh, it's Dolby Atmos certified. It must have this big booming amazing sound. But, but it doesn't actually mean that.

• 28:44David Imel?

  These branding things are really ambiguous because sometimes it means that they worked with them on the product to actually like optimize and make it better. But sometimes it means they just slapped a logo on the back of something.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  Atmos, at the very least, will never be a logo because in theory, if it has an Atmos logo on it, it means there's an Atmos engine running in the, in the device. Like, it doesn't mean that anyone did anything more than just like staple it in there. And then from the professional side of things, like working in Atmos is really, really nice. Like, like when you, when you're making a spatial audio thing, the work environment is nice. And it's also really nice to know that no matter what device this is getting played back on, it will be a reliable, accurate, similar thing spatially to what you heard in the studio. Cause that, that to me is what Atmos is really good at is it's good at saying like, hey, this sound is supposed to be over here. This device has X many speakers. I'm going to balance them like that to make that happen.

• 29:37Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I think that that's what, if people know that about, about Dolby and about what Dolby Atmos actually means, then when you see that it's Dolby Atmos certified, you will know what to look for. I think for most people who don't know what Dolby Atmos means, it's designed to give you the impression of high quality speakers in general. And it doesn't always mean that.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  I probably shouldn't tell the story. I'm going to tell it anyway. One time.

• 30:02David Imel?

  There's a lot of these on this podcast.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  I was at an Atmos event and a Dolby rep was like, hey, man, love waveform. I was like, thank you. He was like, did you know RSS feeds now support Atmos? So you can do waveform in Atmos. And I said, you know?

• 30:15Speaker 06

  Waveform in Atmos?

• 30:16Speaker 04

  I said, well, why, what's the point? Why would I do that? What would I get out of that?

• 30:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  And he went, I don't know.

• 30:24Speaker 06

  It's so you could have the logo that says it's a Dolby. You could put it in the, in the artwork of the podcast, Dolby Atmos.

• 30:30David Imel?

  Yeah, we should. That'd be incredible. Well, to be clear, the Motorola Signature 27 does not have.

• 30:37David Imel?

  It has Bang & Olufsen.

• 30:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:39David Imel?

  And I still don't know if that's good.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, it did so much to me.

• 30:42David Imel?

  Yeah, they're being, uh, probably intentionally vague about the specs of this phone. They like released a few of them. I think the big thing is that they just wanted to announce that they were going to be the first ones with the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6.

• 30:57Speaker 06

  I also get a really big kick out of that because every year, eight different phones come out and they say they're the first one. And it's really funny to me.

• 31:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, they also wrote this article on a Google book because it's all lowercase in the title.

• 31:07David Imel?

  Interesting. But there is an uppercase T for the first line.

• 31:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, Motorola's logo.

• 31:12Andrew Manganelli?

  They gave up at that point.

• 31:14David Imel?

  Anyway, that was that. So we got a ton coming up. Um, I feel like we got to take a break because after the break, we're going to talk about a lot of Apple rumors that I may or may not have predicted. Um, and a new OnePlus 16 that will make Marquez cry and I will not indeed bury him with. But first, we gotta do trivia.

• 31:38David Imel?

  That's my trivia.

• 31:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no, that's, that's universally a call.

• 31:43David Imel?

  You thought it was timeout. And then you were like, wait, is that technical? No, it's trivia. It's trivia. Yeah, it's good.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  Guys, earlier, I really wanted to ask you a question about Exodia because

• 31:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Obliterate!

• 31:54Speaker 04

  You said five pieces of something. The answer would have been obliterate. So, nice. But instead, I'm gonna ask you this question, which is, earlier today, we talked about a 2-nanometer chip process. God, I also really wanted to be like, why are there x86 Google Books? That doesn't make any sense. But we don't have time. There's so much to talk about today.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  2-nanometer chip process, 2 nanometers is about the width of a strand of what?

• 32:21Speaker 06

  Oh, I know.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  Answer at the end.

• 32:24Speaker 06

  It's a pop quiz, if you guys watched the video about transistor size.

• 32:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm, 2 nanometers around then.

• 32:29David Imel?

  Yeah, but 3 nanometers was, and that's pretty close.

• 32:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, that's 50% thicker, bro. I don't know.

• 32:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, well, Ellis said about.

• 32:37David Imel?

  Yeah, but at that scale, everything's about.

• 32:39Andrew Manganelli?

  How about?

• 32:41Speaker 04

  No, it's not. Because my original question is to be like, name me something that's 2 nanometers wide. Not that much.

• 32:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 06

  Anyway.

• 32:49David Imel?

  All right.

• 32:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:50David Imel?

  We'll figure it out.

• 32:50Andrew Manganelli?

  2 1-nanometer chips?

• 32:52David Imel?

  That's true.

• 32:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 32:53David Imel?

  Well, not chips, but

• 32:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Things.

• 32:56David Imel?

  Transistors.

• 32:56Speaker 06

  Transistors.

• 32:57David Imel?

  Anyway, okay, we will still crash out later. We'll be right back.

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• 36:05David Imel?

  All right, welcome back. Real quick, David, I need to show you a video. Andrew, you've seen this already, I think?

• 36:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure I saw it already.

• 36:12David Imel?

  Okay, so this is the new Huawei Watch D3.

• 36:15Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 36:15David Imel?

  And I'm not even gonna show you the caption, I'm just gonna hit play.

• 36:19Speaker 06

  Okay, so it's a watch. Whoa.

• 36:22David Imel?

  Wait a second.

• 36:23Andrew Manganelli?

  That's very quick.

• 36:23David Imel?

  That was too quick. It inflates on the inside?

• 36:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, I'm assuming it's a blood pressure cuff.

• 36:29David Imel?

  Oh, yes.

• 36:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes. So it inflates like a blood pressure cuff.

• 36:34David Imel?

  Has a built-in inflatable armband, so that you can get maximum pressure on a sensor.

• 36:42Andrew Manganelli?

  It does get big enough for your arm?

• 36:44David Imel?

  So that you can, yeah, you can measure.

• 36:45Speaker 06

  So you can use it on your arm, you don't have to only use it on your wrist?

• 36:48David Imel?

  It looks like it's still on your wrist. It's still on your wrist, but it's doing the inflating thing anyway to get your pulse.

• 36:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's an inflatable armband. Okay.

• 36:58Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like, I get it that we keep having all these watches trying to do health metrics that they clearly don't have the proper sensors to do.

• 37:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:06Andrew Manganelli?

  But I don't need to sacrifice, I don't need to take my blood pressure every five minutes. I don't need that all of the time, and now it just looks cumbersome.

• 37:16David Imel?

  I will say that a lot of these health apps and health fitness wearables are requesting more and more of your, like, health data that you would get from a doctor. You know, like, the new, the new Apple Health app. In order to complete the pedals that it has, the little pedals that tell you about all your health, you have to import all of your blood tests. Which a lot of people, I like, I was like, I haven't done a blood test in forever. Then I realized, I actually did. Which was my first blood test in like 10 years. But I was, I imported all that stuff, and then I now have my pedal. But I think that a lot of these companies are trying to figure out not, like, ways that more people can access these types of metrics without going to a doctor. That's their whole thing.

• 37:56Speaker 06

  To get rid of it.

• 37:56David Imel?

  I guess doing it on your wrist is something.

• 38:00Speaker 06

  A part of me just feels like this is one spec that they can say that they have that not everybody can say that they have.

• 38:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:06Speaker 06

  Which feels a little silly, like, oh yeah, we have, we have your heart rate, we have your blood oxygen, we have this, that, this, that, this, that, and

• 38:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:14Speaker 06

  you can do a blood pressure reading with maximum accuracy.

• 38:16David Imel?

  I wonder if your wrist is even a great place to take it, because usually they take it on your arm. And I feel like if they were gonna do that, they should just announce, they should just release a puck that like attaches to the watch and then goes on your arm. So, because you're, like you said, you're not gonna take blood tests or blood pressure tests every day.

• 38:34Speaker 06

  Maybe you are.

• 38:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It's just like, blood pressure tests you're supposed to take in like, pretty specific scenarios of like, you're calm, your feet are flat on the floor, the cuff is near around the level with your heart. They're like, if you're just like, on the subway, rushing, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna take. The reading is gonna be so different. At that point, is it even helping any?

• 38:53David Imel?

  Oops, I popped my wristband.

• 38:54Speaker 06

  It's a great question.

• 38:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I don't.

• 38:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 06

  Very weird.

• 38:57Andrew Manganelli?

  That seems weird. I mean, I love Huawei loves to do crazy stuff, but

• 39:01David Imel?

  Also, is there a compressor in the, I have so many

• 39:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that means it has to have a compressor to it.

• 39:05David Imel?

  Compressor? Wow, that's a great question. Well, thank you for showing me that video, Mark.

• 39:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's a good time.

• 39:09David Imel?

  I appreciate it. All right, we're gonna talk about the rumored Apple Home Pad.

• 39:17David Imel?

  Allegedly, we may be getting the Home Pad finally next month.

• 39:20Speaker 06

  This year.

• 39:21David Imel?

  Mark German wrote this week that the AI-driven Home Hub with a screen could be introduced as early as next month, which means October, because it's September.

• 39:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I love that term. As early as next month.

• 39:31David Imel?

  As early as.

• 39:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I think, have, yeah, I just wrote this down. Have we ever called anything leak speak? Because that's what I'm dubbing this right now.

• 39:38Speaker 06

  As soon as.

• 39:39Andrew Manganelli?

  As soon as, like, it's just such a thing to be like, I wasn't wrong.

• 39:43David Imel?

  It just makes it an open-ended

• 39:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure about this, but I don't want to be wrong. As early as next month. Next month is a week and a half from now.

• 39:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 06

  It makes it so you cannot be wrong.

• 39:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Pretty much.

• 39:54David Imel?

  Smart.

• 39:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:55David Imel?

  Smart. I should start doing that when we bet on things.

• 39:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  What if they announce it tomorrow?

• 39:59Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be so funny.

• 40:01David Imel?

  If it was September, he'd be wrong. Well, a couple of things he said about the product. It may be a mix of iOS, tvOS, and watchOS, with a focus on using Siri AI. The display UI is probably similar to watchOS or standby mode. We're gonna quote German here. He says, "The roughly square screen will come in versions that either"

• 40:19Speaker 06

  Square?

• 40:20David Imel?

  Yeah, roughly.

• 40:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Roughly square.

• 40:22David Imel?

  Roughly square, like a roughly

• 40:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Roughly square.

• 40:23Speaker 06

  Like iPhone Duo.

• 40:25David Imel?

  Like a rectangle.

• 40:26Andrew Manganelli?

  This, I wrote this in quotes because I am very confused by what he's trying to describe.

• 40:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 06

  Go on, go on.

• 40:32David Imel?

  Roughly square, aka rectangular, screen, will come in versions that either sit on a stand resembling a HomePod Mini chopped in half, or attached to a wall.

• 40:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I want everyone to picture that right now.

• 40:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't. I'm so confused.

• 40:47David Imel?

  No, that's perfect.

• 40:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Mini chopped in half.

• 40:49David Imel?

  Okay, yeah, you've seen the renders of this, right?

• 40:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Half of the renders I see on things are just a HomePod and an iPad really poorly superimposed on top of each other.

• 40:58David Imel?

  Do you remember the Pixel tablet?

• 41:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 41:01David Imel?

  They discontinued recently.

• 41:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:03David Imel?

  Do you remember the stand for the Pixel tablet?

• 41:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 41:05David Imel?

  It was like a sphere that they like chopped it in half at an angle.

• 41:08Andrew Manganelli?

  It was more like a, I wouldn't call it a sphere, but yes.

• 41:11David Imel?

  It was like a column.

• 41:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It was like a, it was like a ovalish rectangle that is like chopped in half. It's like the Nest Home doubled in width chopped in half.

• 41:19David Imel?

  Right, kinda chopped in half.

• 41:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 41:21David Imel?

  So I, like, when they say HomePod mini chopped in half, it's like the HomePod with like a, it's like a sliced section.

• 41:27Andrew Manganelli?

  HomePod mini chopped in half.

• 41:29David Imel?

  Well, I don't know.

• 41:30Andrew Manganelli?

  The mini's the size of a tennis ball, so chop it in half and then a square screen on top of that.

• 41:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, then they wouldn't say HomePod mini.

• 41:38David Imel?

  Do you want me to just show you a render?

• 41:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but I-

• 41:41David Imel?

  Sounds like a regular HomePod chopped in half.

• 41:43Andrew Manganelli?

  But he very specifically says HomePod mini chopped in half.

• 41:46David Imel?

  Does he?

• 41:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I quote, I've copied and pasted this.

• 41:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I know what you're talking about with the HomePod, and that's also what I've seen.

• 41:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:52Andrew Manganelli?

  But German said HomePod mini chopped in half.

• 41:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Or attached to a wall. That's not a HomePod mini. That's a HomePod.

• 41:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, I guess that is, that looks like an old iMac.

• 42:02David Imel?

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 42:03Andrew Manganelli?

  That looks really cool, but I'm not sure if that's what's coming. That looks like somebody making a render. So, yeah, remember, for audio listeners, the iMac that used to have a half circle on the bottom and this really cool metal rotating bendable arm that then had the screen on top?

• 42:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be awesome.

• 42:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think it's gonna be that.

• 42:21David Imel?

  It's not gonna look like that.

• 42:22Andrew Manganelli?

  It would be so sick if it was.

• 42:23David Imel?

  Photoshop.

• 42:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Terrible Photoshop.

• 42:26David Imel?

  Yeah, this is just a HomePod mini, but with a, with a little metal arm coming out and then like an iPad type thing.

• 42:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is a interesting form factor. I mean, the idea makes sense, right? They have HomeKit, and they have a bunch of accessories that, that plug into HomeKit. So you can buy a camera, you can buy a doorbell, you can buy these things that plug into Apple HomeKit. But any of these accessories that require any sort of visual, you can't use on Apple hardware. I obviously have like the Google version of this, which is, what is it? The Nest Home Hub is what it was called?

• 42:56David Imel?

  Nest Home.

• 42:56Speaker 06

  Which is the same idea. It's like an eight-inch tablet on a speaker that just sits in the corner of your kitchen. And so when the doorbell rings, the video feed from the doorbell shows up on the screen.

• 43:06David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 43:06Speaker 06

  That's great. Apple doesn't have an equivalent of this for their ecosystem, so they will now have essentially like an iPad that sits on a HomePod doing the exact same thing.

• 43:14David Imel?

  Yeah, I think that smart home is Apple's next big frontier, right? Because previously, they just certified things to work with Apple Home.

• 43:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 43:22David Imel?

  And they had HomeKit, and they have the Home app, and they've updated the Home app a few times to add different things like automations, et cetera. But now is their chance to actually start making a bunch of first-party devices for the home, because currently, they're like seceding that market to Google and Amazon.

• 43:35Speaker 06

  They really are. And it feels like that's actually a, a big gap that could be really useful for Siri AI.

• 43:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:41Speaker 06

  Like if it works in a private way, and, and this is assuming it actually works, but there are a ton of features. Have you used the new like Google Home app and all the AI features and stuff that it does? Like you can ask like, "Show me the footage of the raccoon pulling the trash out at midnight last night from the driveway camera." And it'll just pull it up, because it recognizes things in the footage and all this stuff. It does an okay job. Sometimes it just gets it wrong, but sometimes it gets it right.

• 44:05Andrew Manganelli?

  It does. Some things are kinda cool, but then I think I literally had a bear go across and it was like, squirrel. I forgot.

• 44:12Speaker 06

  It is funny when it gets it wrong, but I've, I imagine there's a world where Apple would like to be able to have you like on your iPhone, just be like asking Siri, uh, "Did the package get delivered?" And it'll just tell you, because it knows, because the feed of the doorbell goes to the HomeKit thing, and then you have the whole ecosystem. So I could imagine a lot of, a lot of Siri AI plugging into these accessories, things like cameras and doorbells and speakers and stuff.

• 44:37Andrew Manganelli?

  And getting Apple products more around, like, remember when iMac got reintroduced for the M Series? They're like, "This is the computer you might put in your kitchen."

• 44:45David Imel?

  Right.

• 44:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like, "No, I want something like this in my kitchen. This makes way more sense."

• 44:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:49Andrew Manganelli?

  The screen that can do maybe like a cooking video, maybe show the doorbell, maybe ask it some things. Mark German said like, "It might have facial recognition, which would then allow it to identify the person walking up to it, to then feed different information based on who it is on the network."

• 45:05Speaker 06

  You know, the most interesting rumor I've seen about the hardware is that the display might be on like a robot arm that moves the whole display around, which I imagine being very different from what we've seen so far, which is just a fixed display. And I, I'm not sure if they would do that, because I always thought like the whole point of the center stage camera was the screen sits still and then the ultra-wide follows you around. But I have seen rumors of this possibly being on like a robot arm.

• 45:29David Imel?

  That was quite a while ago, those rumors were though, and like, it was because they were developing that weird like Pixar lamp screen robot thing. And I'm not sure, like, that just seems like a lot of moving parts.

• 45:40Speaker 06

  I agree.

• 45:41David Imel?

  Uh, if I'm wrong.

• 45:42Andrew Manganelli?

  It'd be a big swing.

• 45:43David Imel?

  And I'm wrong. It's very possible.

• 45:44Speaker 06

  It seems very expensive if they did do something like that, and the only point would be like, "Make sure I can see the screen no matter where in the kitchen I am." I don't really understand if that's worth it, so.

• 45:53David Imel?

  Either way, this is like a whole new category for them to get into, and it gives them the opportunity to release a lot of products. We, we went down a like rumor roundup a few months ago, and one of them was a security camera, one of them was a HomePad, one of them was the robot arm. So in the next couple of years, probably expect to see a lot of Apple Home branded stuff.

• 46:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:13David Imel?

  Another thing you may, uh, be seeing in the next couple of years, which I was both right and wrong about, is a screenless fitness band whoop competitor, Fitbit Air competitor that Apple is reportedly developing.

• 46:27Speaker 06

  Bring it.

• 46:28David Imel?

  So according to Mark German, they are working on this screenless fitness tracker that could rival whoop and Fitbit Air. A prototype of the band reportedly has a thin fabric with a sensor-equipped module similar to these products. German says that the product is in the early stages of development and likely won't arrive until 2028, which is the point that made me kind of wrong.

• 46:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, and he also says it's a technology investigation, which means it has no track of development at this point. It's just something they are investigating.

• 46:55David Imel?

  He also noted that Tim Cook is throwing his weight behind the product, so I feel like that's interesting.

• 47:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, the chairman?

• 47:01Andrew Manganelli?

  He doesn't weigh that much.

• 47:02Speaker 06

  That's cool.

• 47:02David Imel?

  Well, sure.

• 47:03Speaker 06

  Does he still have a say?

• 47:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the chairman has no say.

• 47:07David Imel?

  He makes almost as much as the CEO. I'm sure he has a say.

• 47:10Speaker 06

  It's true.

• 47:11David Imel?

  So you can clap for me if you want, uh, but I am also partially potentially wrong, because if the product comes out, German says it will not come out until at least 2028. I gave it a one-year launch timeline, which was probably too ambitious.

• 47:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It was, especially because I said the bet at two years, and then you said one year. So two years would have been very close if at, if the most optimistic view of this, then we would have at least had a, a good bet.

• 47:36David Imel?

  I think I was just feeling like ambitious with this, because I figured it can't be that hard to make something like this when they already make the Apple Watch. They could, they should rush it to market, because these are taking off right now, and within two years, maybe we'll have moved on to something else, smart glasses or something.

• 47:52Speaker 06

  Apple thinks on a 10-year timeline.

• 47:54David Imel?

  I know.

• 47:55Speaker 06

  They're not waiting.

• 47:56Andrew Manganelli?

  So that actually is the reason why I'm wondering if this does actually make it there, because in two years, are these still gonna be as popular when the market's been saturated so much? I also got a lot of flack for this argument.

• 48:06David Imel?

  I'm sorry.

• 48:07Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, it's not your flack. I just think people didn't get my, my viewpoint was less of, "I don't think people want this. I do think a lot of people want this." I just, Apple already has crazy market share on something that can record so much more of your information in an Apple Watch. This feels like it would kneecap their own information.

• 48:28David Imel?

  I feel like a band like this could record the same information, but just not show it on the screen.

• 48:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Possibly, except that we just developed this entire audio thing where they are recording all of your stuff.

• 48:37David Imel?

  But they could do that on a band, too.

• 48:38Andrew Manganelli?

  It would just severely impact battery life, probably, and that's the whole point of these.

• 48:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, but there's no screen, so.

• 48:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It is weird, though, I say that, because the Garmin screen, this one, actually has less battery life than almost all the Garmin-screened ones, so it's really weird. But you would have to add more components into it, like a microphone and stuff, so.

• 48:57David Imel?

  Yeah, so we'll see. Um, I don't know. I think Apple's very well positioned to do this, because they already make really high-quality bands. So they really just need to take their band name and just be like, "Let's slightly redesign it."

• 49:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Ocean Band is this one?

• 49:08Speaker 06

  I'm pretty sure there's like a clip of me begging for this like six years ago, somewhere.

• 49:12David Imel?

  Yeah, that, I actually, I asked the YouTube Gemini thing, what is the earliest point where we talked about an Apple screenless fitness band, and it was in May. But that's what it told me.

• 49:23Andrew Manganelli?

  That's if that's right.

• 49:24David Imel?

  If that, if that's correct.

• 49:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I've tried to use Gemini to reference YouTube videos, ours or other ones.

• 49:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:30Andrew Manganelli?

  And it usually turns on this whole thing of it getting it wrong, until I say like, "It's okay if you're wrong," and it goes, "I can't actually watch any of these videos, so I don't really know why you're asking me."

• 49:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 06

  I, I know what you're saying about Apple developing things on like 10-year timelines, because that's what they do. They take their time with a lot of this stuff. I can't imagine why this would take so long to develop, is my question.

• 49:52David Imel?

  It really does.

• 49:52Speaker 06

  Because they have the newly, let's just say that the Apple Watch Series 12, which just came out, you want to put all those sensors in it. You could put the same battery, the same taptic engine, the same everything, just chop off the screen. Is that product good enough already to just be the new product? The battery life gets way longer, because you have no screen, and you have all the same sensors and all the same microphone, the same taptic engine to tap you on your wrist for your alarm, all that same stuff. And that's already a plenty good enough product. You take the screen out, the cost goes down. I don't see why that's not great.

• 50:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I think FormFactor needs to be different and then rearranging everything. It is a totally different product.

• 50:26Speaker 06

  S11 chip is way overkill. You're doing a lot of like, display stuff. You don't have to have an S11 chip. You can do a way lesser chip in there. I feel like, yeah, what else is there to develop?

• 50:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 06

  I'm not a developer of a product, so obviously.

• 50:38David Imel?

  It felt like the redesign of the Apple Health app was actually designed to be an app that you view on your phone and your phone only. Because it has like all of these like little elements and like these pedals and these things that actually try to get you to open it a lot. And that's what the Fitbit, like the Fitbit app feels like right now, too. It's got all the information that's happening on your Fitbit. Normally, if that was just through Google, whatever it is that you, Google Wear, Android Health.

• 51:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Google Fitbit Health Gen 6 Extreme.

• 51:05David Imel?

  I guess it's the same across the, the Google, what are the watches called now?

• 51:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Fit-

• 51:11David Imel?

  Google-

• 51:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Pixel Watch? Oh, the Pixel Watch.

• 51:12David Imel?

  Yeah, but Android, Android Wear.

• 51:16Speaker 06

  Android Wear is the OS on the Pixel Watch.

• 51:18David Imel?

  Where, is it still Wear OS?

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Oh, Wear OS.

• 51:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Wear OS.

• 51:20David Imel?

  Is it still Wear OS?

• 51:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's Google Book OS.

• 51:22Speaker 06

  As of right now. Okay.

• 51:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Could be different tomorrow.

• 51:26Speaker 06

  Well, they sort of optimized the new Google. They released the new Google Health app with the Fitbit Air.

• 51:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 51:33Speaker 06

  And they did that intentionally because they need to show you all of the Fitbit Air's information in like a big way that's optimized for your phone. Anyway, the Apple Health app redesign feels very optimized for your phone. So I felt like that was sort of a nod to that, but apparently it's just a technology investigation right now, so we'll see.

• 51:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like if I was working at Apple, I'd be so frustrated at how long this time is.

• 51:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Look at all this stuff. It's blowing up the war. It's hot. Strike while the iron is hot.

• 51:57Speaker 06

  If I was them, I would have started doing this when the Whoop got popular.

• 52:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 06

  But especially now that the Fitbit and the Garmin and all these others are all dropping like it's hot, like this is, this is the time.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  The Whoop getting popular is still like 0.5% of what Apple Watch does, though.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  So I don't think it's necessarily that they have a hard time spinning this up really quickly. They can probably do this in like a couple of weeks, but it's more so is there enough market for them to bother doing this?

• 52:23Speaker 06

  Yes. Yeah, there's lots of small markets and this is like almost similar to the Google problem where sometimes it's just not worth getting into it because it's just a rounding error. Like, how many are we gonna sell? It's only, it's not even a billion users. We might as well not do it. But I do, I do feel like this is, it's just right underneath their nose. And this, and it's a very, it's a fast growing market, which is the point I made in the Apple Watch video this past week, which is it doubled in the past year and it's been, you know, rapidly gaining a lot of popularity and chatter. So yeah, it feels like it's right there.

• 52:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I wouldn't be surprised if this new Health app is what they use to gauge it on because all of the information you get now is the Whoop killer in the sense of metrics, which so many people like Whoop for because of fitness, age and recovery and all that stuff. So now they have that. Now they can see how much of this is just going to make people happy with their Apple Watch or are people still going to Whoop? Whoop already is in this weird spot where they're like trying to do all these things by giving it to you for free on an Amex and stuff like that. They seem like they're struggling to keep growing, whereas again, a Whoop market share to Apple might be a rounding error.

• 53:28Speaker 06

  For sure. For sure. I want to know really quickly, this is a slight tangent, but I just like this readiness score thing, like I hate these things.

• 53:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Dr. Mike.

• 53:39Speaker 06

  I really.

• 53:39Andrew Manganelli?

  One to 10.

• 53:40Speaker 06

  Because you know what the Fitbit Air does? It's like if I didn't sleep perfectly or if I went to bed one hour late, I wake up in the morning and it's like, oh, your readiness is at 64? You probably shouldn't do anything today.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  I don't remember the last time it told me to work out. Every day it's like, you should probably take it easy today.

• 53:57Speaker 06

  It only tells me to work out if I slept absolutely perfectly.

• 54:02Andrew Manganelli?

  You're ready to push it today.

• 54:03Speaker 06

  You're, you're ready.

• 54:04Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, there's two levels, like chill, chill, chill, or you slop.

• 54:08Speaker 06

  It's like, yeah, it's like, don't go to the gym and be lazy if you're anything but absolutely perfect.

• 54:14Andrew Manganelli?

  You should be able to tune it to like, how drill sergeant do you want it to be?

• 54:18Speaker 06

  You should be able to decide.

• 54:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 54:20Speaker 06

  Cause he's, you know, if you're getting one of these assistants, you're probably on the closer to a beginner side where I'm going to listen to the assistant and it tells me what to do. And if it's always telling me, wow, you're not doing enough, I'd feel bad. And that's a good side to miss on.

• 54:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 06

  So people, they're missing on the side of like, you're doing great. It's fine. Everything's good.

• 54:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 54:38Speaker 06

  But I, it's not.

• 54:39Andrew Manganelli?

  What's ironic is this, if I had, if I had like a bad day the day before because I like had an extra glass of wine and I feel crappy in the morning, that's when I'm more inclined to go to the gym to make myself feel better. Because I knew that I messed up the day before, so I want to rectify it. Like I'm eating my vegetables to counteract all of the steak that I ate or something. Even I don't like steak. Yeah, now you know. I feel like that's the re, like Whoop is supposed to be the like top 1% athletic, like all you do is focus on working out, diet, recovery. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, I'm ready for my next event. But now it's like, also, uh, tech CEO who kind of cares about his fitness is also like putting himself to the same standards as that while drinking

• 55:24Andrew Manganelli?

  a glass of wine at dinner. And like, we're putting it into our everyday life, which probably doesn't really matter.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  We will get, hey, LeBron James, famous 76er, does have a glass of wine with dinner every day.

• 55:36Speaker 06

  Every day?

• 55:37Speaker 04

  I don't know if he still does it, but there was like a 10 year period where he was like, he swore by his glass of wine with dinner.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  So funny.

• 55:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow.

• 55:43Speaker 06

  You should be able to, yeah, you should be able to, to tune your AI coach to be a little more gung ho if you want it to be.

• 55:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Just open to like not being perfect all the time. Yeah. You can just, uh.

• 55:57Speaker 06

  Not wear it.

• 55:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Listen to your body.

• 55:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:59Andrew Manganelli?

  You can just be like, damn, I want to go to the gym.

• 56:01Speaker 06

  Well, there's, there's a lot of people out there.

• 56:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not gonna go to the gym.

• 56:04Speaker 06

  Who have never gone to the gym and they need like the.

• 56:07Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true. I still am all for that if it's a motivation thing.

• 56:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, for sure.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  There's two kinds of tech companies. Like we're, we're, we're experiencing this sort of K shaped reality where like there are some tech companies like Garmin and Apple that I would assume out of fear of liability can't tell someone to work out unless they can be almost 100% sure their body is like not going to hurt themselves because they end up being liable. And then on the other end of the K shaped, you have companies that are like, my product committed more felonies than your product this week.

• 56:38Speaker 06

  Yeah. I feel like it's unreasonable to not be able to tell someone like, go crush it at the gym. And then they don't do perfectly. I think that's fine.

• 56:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 56:46Speaker 06

  You know, I had a seven readiness score out of 10 and it's told me to skip the gym. A seven!

• 56:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It's pretty good.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  Seven's pretty good. It's passing.

• 56:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I got through high school on seven.

• 56:57Speaker 06

  Yeah. That's what I was saying. Anyway, that's just a tangent, but I hope that Apple tells me to go to the gym, even if I have a one.

• 57:05Andrew Manganelli?

  All right. Well, let's talk about something else that will get Marquez really sad.

• 57:09Speaker 04

  That also has a one in it.

• 57:11Speaker 06

  All right. Break it down.

• 57:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Cooking. One plus 16.

• 57:14Speaker 06

  One plus 16.

• 57:15Andrew Manganelli?

  We see it, I think. All of these are rumors, but we're just taking it as fact at this point. We're deep enough into the pod where we can just say this is all true.

• 57:24Speaker 06

  And just to be real, just to be clear, the only thing I'm mad about is that this phone is not coming to the US.

• 57:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, spoiler alert.

• 57:30Speaker 06

  Because it looks pretty good, man.

• 57:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so.

• 57:34Speaker 06

  Pretty good.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Looks pretty amazing.

• 57:36Andrew Manganelli?

  It looks just like the OnePlus 15, except, um, we have three different colors, which I'm going to explain them all because all three of them are quite a bit different. We have Dark Forest, which is black.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  Looks black to me.

• 57:47Andrew Manganelli?

  We have Mars Masterpiece, which is orange, but orange.

• 57:50Speaker 06

  Beautiful.

• 57:51Andrew Manganelli?

  And has like a subtle topographic.

• 57:53Speaker 06

  Kind of like your hat.

• 57:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Map. My hat is pink.

• 57:55Speaker 06

  It's coral.

• 57:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Salmon.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  It's like coral salmon.

• 57:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Just like the.

• 57:58Speaker 06

  Coral salmon.

• 57:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Then we have Tomorrow's Starlight, which is silver with the same topographic design, but also text that says 16 area coordinates and an X in the top corner, which might glow?

• 58:09Speaker 06

  It does.

• 58:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it glows.

• 58:10Speaker 06

  It does. Yeah. There's, there's a hands on video of it glowing.

• 58:12Andrew Manganelli?

  There is a hands on video of it glowing. Okay.

• 58:14Speaker 04

  Only when five contacts call you, though.

• 58:17Speaker 06

  They have to be your favorites. Um, why is it called Tomorrow's Starlight? They ran out of other words?

• 58:25Andrew Manganelli?

  We're running out of color names.

• 58:26Speaker 06

  Just call it Starlight. That's taken.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  That's true. That's, yeah, it's taken.

• 58:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Specs seem to be 165 Hz default refresh rate that can climb to 185 Hz in specific games. 9,000 milliamp hour battery, 100 watt wire charging, 50 watt wireless charging, Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6 Pro chip. And so this is a, is that?

• 58:48Speaker 06

  Two nanometers.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Wait, pro?

• 58:50Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what it said.

• 58:50Speaker 06

  Pro?

• 58:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Pro chip? Maybe, maybe because they didn't know about the release of the Extreme chip yet. They were calling it pro.

• 58:57Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, because this was two days ago.

• 58:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. So maybe it is the Elite chipset. Again, take it for word if we're right. We're just speculating if it's wrong.

• 59:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:06Andrew Manganelli?

  LPDDR6 RAM.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 59:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, which one of you is doing that? I don't know.

• 59:14Speaker 06

  Keep going, keep going. 16 gigs of RAM.

• 59:17Andrew Manganelli?

  16 gigs of RAM.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  The design for it only comes out for OnePlus phones. This one is so good.

• 59:23Andrew Manganelli?

  200 megapixel, one, one over one fourth inch sensor.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 59:26Andrew Manganelli?

  15 megapixel ultra wide and telephoto.

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 59:29Andrew Manganelli?

  And an AI dedicated button on the side.

• 59:33Speaker 06

  Can I custom map that button to other things?

• 59:37Speaker 04

  Only for five contacts. Um, also a 165 Hz panel.

• 59:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, 165 Hz, but up to 185 Hz.

• 59:46Speaker 06

  Yeah. Currently they're at 120 up to 144.

• 59:48Andrew Manganelli?

  So it is priced at 5,000 Chinese yuan, which if converted, which is always weird conversion rates, 746 USD.

• 59:56Speaker 06

  Unbelievable.

• 59:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, that is a price bump over last year's 15, but.

• 1:00:01Speaker 06

  Insanely good. As far as on paper.

• 1:00:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 06

  OnePlus has been doing it for a long time.

• 1:00:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 06

  On paper, they've been doing it a long time.

• 1:00:09Andrew Manganelli?

  This is like OnePlus was like, we're breaking up with you, US, and we're gonna get really hot after too.

• 1:00:16Speaker 06

  Yeah. Cause they used to, they were, it's almost like they went through a phase. Like they were, they, they did this with the OnePlus 1, right? They showed up, they were like fastest this, most that. Here's your storage. Here's everything. Great. And it's the cheapest price. And I went, hmm, that's good. That's nice. And then the first few phones were the enthusiast phones, right? And then we had this little dip where for like four or five years, like OnePlus 8 through OnePlus like 13 or whatever, they had a, they were too expensive. The prices went up too much. They were kind of doing the mainstream thing. They were missing features. They blend with Color OS, Oppo's like software. The whole thing was a little murky and it didn't really have an identity.

• 1:00:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 06

  And now they're bringing it back. They're back in the gym. Hmm. They're doing great phones. And.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  Nobody could say that we don't have enough testosterone on this podcast. We're grunting like hell, dude.

• 1:01:05Speaker 06

  The OnePlus 15, I've been carrying this phone, yeah, mostly for the last year, basically now since it came out. And it's like, it's a great phone. It's quick. Software features are there. It's, I mean, the cameras aren't that good. And you know, these, these new cameras might not be that good either, but the, the battery life's been amazing. Like it's a super quick phone. And now here we go. We're just going to double down on all that stuff. 9,000 milliamp hour battery. Are we, that's, that's crazy.

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  My car.

• 1:01:29Speaker 06

  Faster chip, faster, uh, I said faster chip already, but faster Snapdragon chip and faster LPDDR6 RAM and faster display and faster charging and 9,000 milliamp hour battery. This is, this is the, on paper.

• 1:01:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep.

• 1:01:46Speaker 06

  This is the stuff of dreams.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a, it's a better phone.

• 1:01:48Speaker 06

  Unfortunately, it's not coming to the US. And for that reason, I don't know that I'll ever even hold one.

• 1:01:54Andrew Manganelli?

  It also has lights on the back. We could get you one.

• 1:01:56Speaker 06

  It's only coming to China.

• 1:01:57Andrew Manganelli?

  And silver.

• 1:01:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  Which is even worse.

• 1:01:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I think we could figure out how to get this.

• 1:02:01Speaker 06

  Yeah. The silver one has lights on the back. I, maybe we'll just try to get one.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  Global bands?

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  No, there's no way. I want to get one and I try to put my eSIM in it and it's just gonna be, it's gonna be so depressing when it doesn't work.

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. Tomorrow's Starlight for some reason.

• 1:02:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  It is cool looking.

• 1:02:15Andrew Manganelli?

  What is the X logo on the top? It, it looks like something or is it just a design?

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  I think it's just an accent.

• 1:02:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I kind of wish the OnePlus logo lit up.

• 1:02:23Speaker 06

  It says 16 area.

• 1:02:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know what that is. Also, it's a Chinese only phone and it has something written in English on the back, which is kind of confusing.

• 1:02:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. I don't know. Well, anyway, uh, after the break, we've got possibly the worst decision ever made in history.

• 1:02:43David Imel?

  Like eight of them back to back. From YouTube. From YouTube. So if you're into that deep dive, nitty gritty YouTube creator content stuff.

• 1:02:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It's coming. We did the one plus thing just to amp Marquez up to just go off on the YouTube thing. So don't, don't go away.

• 1:03:00David Imel?

  So we built the biggest Jenga tower just so we could knock it over. But of course, before the trivia, before the, but of course.

• 1:03:10David Imel?

  I couldn't resist.

• 1:03:11Speaker 06

  You know what I meant to say? You know what I meant?

• 1:03:13David Imel?

  We're recording this episode later in the afternoon. It's not our normal morning time.

• 1:03:18Speaker 06

  All right. So.

• 1:03:18David Imel?

  A little weird.

• 1:03:20Speaker 06

  What does APV stand for? From APV codec.

• 1:03:24David Imel?

  Damn. I literally almost wrote it out.

• 1:03:26Speaker 06

  I know.

• 1:03:27David Imel?

  Instead of just putting the.

• 1:03:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Do we talk about that? Where does that come from?

• 1:03:31David Imel?

  It's from the Snapdragon chip.

• 1:03:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, that's why.

• 1:03:33David Imel?

  It has the, it has APV codec support.

• 1:03:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think, I could, I could guess.

• 1:03:38Andrew Manganelli?

  You'll probably be right.

• 1:03:39David Imel?

  That's what you do in trivia.

• 1:03:41Speaker 06

  I'm down by like eight points right now. I need solid answers.

• 1:03:45Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a subreddit post that just said like, he has 11 and it's like all of our faces.

• 1:03:51Speaker 06

  That was my burner. That was my burner.

• 1:03:52David Imel?

  Our faces are so funny in that screenshot. Yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56David Imel?

  We'll find out.

• 1:03:56Speaker 06

  I'm gonna do my absolute best to rack my brain to think about that by the end. We'll be right back.

• 1:04:02David Imel?

  Bye.

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• 1:06:57Speaker 06

  All right, welcome back to our third and final segment. We gotta talk about YouTube news. So we have brought in Mariah, who has replaced Adam, for our, our final segment. For those who haven't been here for long enough, Mariah is an editor here. And so we have lots of thoughts on YouTube and videos and editing that will make way more sense. We'll get there. But maybe we'll start with going through what was announced at YouTube's Made on YouTube event.

• 1:07:24David Imel?

  Yeah. And by the way, I've seen none of this, so I'm hearing it for the first time.

• 1:07:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I watched a like six-minute video that speed ran everything. So I understand none of it. I just typed it down.

• 1:07:33Speaker 06

  I've got all the info. I was briefed on it and then I went to a presentation. I talked to a bunch of YouTube employees. I talked to a bunch of YouTubers. Every year, they have this Made on YouTube event, so we've had some time to digest it and I'll go through all this stuff with you.

• 1:07:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So why are you so optimistic about this year's Made on YouTube?

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  I would say I am not in the optimism camp.

• 1:07:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, oh, no.

• 1:07:50Speaker 06

  But that's okay.

• 1:07:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 1:07:51Speaker 06

  Some of it is good stuff. Some of it is different. Different. Okay.

• 1:07:57David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:07:57Speaker 06

  So here's what's first, custom feeds.

• 1:08:00David Imel?

  More scared.

• 1:08:01Speaker 06

  So, you know.

• 1:08:01David Imel?

  Oh, like this guy.

• 1:08:02Speaker 06

  So you know, most people, most people, when they go to YouTube, just go to the homepage, right? Remember how subscriptions died many years ago?

• 1:08:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Speaker 06

  Your homepage is trying to do its best to understand all the things you watch and serve you useful stuff. But sometimes you just want to go back to the, that time that you were obsessed with trains and you just want it to be all the train stuff again. Well, now you can just ask in natural language, this AI custom feeds feature to build a feed for you just on the trains. And there it is. You've got your homepage. You've got your trains page. You've got your.

• 1:08:32Andrew Manganelli?

  It seems like it was on the, the top, almost like, yeah. And you can have different ones up there.

• 1:08:37Speaker 06

  You can have a bunch.

• 1:08:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's cool.

• 1:08:38David Imel?

  Train page.

• 1:08:39Andrew Manganelli?

  My desk off page, my train page, my photography page, my David Amel page, my.

• 1:08:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. I think this is cool. Sometimes I'm in the mood for the car videos. Sometimes I'm in the mood for the, the podcasts. Sometimes I'm in the mood for the music. And so I just have a feed that's just that stuff and it's a variety of it.

• 1:08:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you make a subscriptions feed?

• 1:08:56Speaker 06

  Yeah. It hasn't gone away. It's not gone, but it is.

• 1:09:01Andrew Manganelli?

  We're definitely gonna hit that ramp of like subscriptions.

• 1:09:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Up and then subscribe.

• 1:09:06Speaker 06

  We can, we can reference analytics a few times in this. I think, you know, back in the day, when I published a video, the first day's worth of views were all people who were subscribed in their sub boxes. Nowadays, it's all of the same people, but they don't go to their sub boxes. They just go to the homepage.

• 1:09:23David Imel?

  Just gets fed.

• 1:09:23Speaker 06

  And because they're subscribed and it's a new video and they usually watch when it's new, YouTube puts it there.

• 1:09:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Speaker 06

  So the homepage drives traffic and this is just some custom homepages.

• 1:09:32David Imel?

  Okay, cool. I like that.

• 1:09:33Speaker 06

  All right.

• 1:09:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 06

  Next is a short series. So there's obviously lots of short form creators. And I think us, we think of short form as like the funnel for the long form. But there are lots of people who just do short form and they get really invested into this really intense short form stuff. So just like you can make a long form series and play through those videos one by one. You can now make a short series with a cover page and they play in order and there's episode one, two, three, four, five.

• 1:09:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:59Speaker 06

  The whole thing.

• 1:10:00David Imel?

  Also notably, shorts dramas have been popping off recently where you have like 70 episodes of like a little thing. That's just a continuation of the neck, the last episode. So people want to watch more and more of these and a lot of money is being pumped into this, even in like Hollywood, where they're investing in these shorts drama series. So I think being able to give you a series page is very helpful. So you can actually watch the entire series instead of randomly seeing it in your sub box or whatever.

• 1:10:26Speaker 06

  It was good.

• 1:10:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Speaker 06

  Yeah. You can now see posts on TV. You can now see, you can now use GIFs.

• 1:10:33David Imel?

  GIFs.

• 1:10:34Speaker 06

  GIFs.

• 1:10:35David Imel?

  GIFs.

• 1:10:35Speaker 06

  GIFs. You can now use GIFs in YouTube comments.

• 1:10:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I forget what I like.

• 1:10:40Speaker 06

  You can also.

• 1:10:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree with you, the audience, of whatever you right now are saying out loud.

• 1:10:45Speaker 06

  You gotta pick one. You can now answer comments on the TV. You know, there's a bunch of new features like that.

• 1:10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Through text to speech?

• 1:10:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Through text to speech, yeah.

• 1:10:52Speaker 06

  Text to speech, yeah. You just talk to your TV and it'll put that comment down.

• 1:10:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Imagine Claire walking into the living room and being like, you fucking idiot. Like, no, it's actually.

• 1:11:01David Imel?

  I can't believe you. Yeah, actually, that's a great, you know what they should do? In order to leave a comment, you have to leave it with your voice.

• 1:11:08Speaker 06

  You have to say it out loud.

• 1:11:10David Imel?

  Because as soon as these people say these things out loud, they're gonna feel horrible.

• 1:11:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13David Imel?

  And not actually leave these comments. Okay, let's keep going.

• 1:11:16Speaker 06

  You know how there's messaging? There's not gonna be group messaging.

• 1:11:18David Imel?

  No.

• 1:11:19Andrew Manganelli?

  You can like send videos in also?

• 1:11:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, like a group chat.

• 1:11:22David Imel?

  We actually may be.

• 1:11:23Speaker 06

  Why don't we bring back the inbox? Why are we scared of the inbox? It seems like they're slowly kind of doing that. Bring it back. Basically, like they used to just have an inbox. So it's just kind of the same thing.

• 1:11:31David Imel?

  Group messaging is good as long as it's not the way that it is now, where I like tweet a link to a YouTube video and then I get 90 message requests from random people.

• 1:11:40Speaker 06

  I think that part is, they gotta fix that.

• 1:11:43David Imel?

  Yeah, they gotta fix that.

• 1:11:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44David Imel?

  Did they even test?

• 1:11:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't need another app that has group messaging in it. Sorry, YouTube.

• 1:11:48David Imel?

  Hey, our Instagram studio group chat is pretty fire.

• 1:11:51Speaker 06

  Look, if YouTube's gonna be social media, they've had the media, but they gotta bring back the social.

• 1:11:56David Imel?

  Google Plus, baby.

• 1:11:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:11:58Speaker 06

  I was just thinking about how much I miss Google Plus. Anyway. Auto dubbing for live. So now you could, you can have auto real-time dubbing into different languages. So for example, you speak English, but you have Spanish viewers in the live. It'll dub in Spanish and they can watch it in their native language.

• 1:12:12David Imel?

  It's almost like live translation.

• 1:12:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's great.

• 1:12:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It seems like it was only in Spanish from the video.

• 1:12:18Speaker 06

  I think that's what they're starting with, but they're gonna do more. Which is cool.

• 1:12:22Andrew Manganelli?

  You didn't mention fandom.

• 1:12:23Speaker 06

  Fandom? So you can. Okay.

• 1:12:26David Imel?

  Is this where we start?

• 1:12:27Andrew Manganelli?

  The good one.

• 1:12:27Speaker 06

  Look, I'm not a, I'm not a streamer. Yeah, this is, I'm not a live streamer, but, but you can live stream. First of all, you can do a co-live stream next to another streamer. So you're both, you're both streaming at the same time and your audiences see you both at the same time. It's like a collab, but live.

• 1:12:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Or showdown. Sorry, that's what.

• 1:12:43Speaker 06

  And then like a showdown is like the two of you, both enable super chats at the same time. And then it's like a counter above you for whoever's audience donates more wins.

• 1:12:53David Imel?

  Wait.

• 1:12:53Speaker 06

  There's like a showdown of your audiences.

• 1:12:55Andrew Manganelli?

  This has been a thing on TikTok before where you like roll through a bunch of other people on like vertical live. And then you both come in and all the audience of both of them come in and donate to the person they want. And there's like, it's like a.

• 1:13:09David Imel?

  The UI is literally a counter at the top of who's audience.

• 1:13:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Who's making the most money.

• 1:13:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14David Imel?

  What stage of capitalist hell is this?

• 1:13:17Andrew Manganelli?

  We're on another level.

• 1:13:18Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:13:19Andrew Manganelli?

  It's awful.

• 1:13:20David Imel?

  If it was like likes, I would get it, but like money is crazy.

• 1:13:23Speaker 06

  Another one that got a funny reaction because it was along the same lines is, you remember hypes?

• 1:13:28David Imel?

  Vaguely.

• 1:13:29Speaker 06

  Channels under half a million subs can get hyped.

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  What do you mean remember hype? Like they took that away?

• 1:13:34Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's still there. Sorry.

• 1:13:36Speaker 06

  We crossed.

• 1:13:37David Imel?

  We crossed.

• 1:13:37Speaker 06

  Half a million, we thought we would stop having hypes, but I think we can still have.

• 1:13:41Andrew Manganelli?

  It finally went away.

• 1:13:42Speaker 06

  It finally went away.

• 1:13:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  You can only hype a certain number of videos per day. But now you can pay to hype even more with jewels.

• 1:13:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I read a direct quote from the video?

• 1:13:54Speaker 06

  Jewels.

• 1:13:55Andrew Manganelli?

  This will clear things up, I promise you. Okay. Purchase jewels to supercharge your video's leaderboard momentum. This gives you a new revenue stream by earning rubies.

• 1:14:05Speaker 06

  So I can only earn India?

• 1:14:06Andrew Manganelli?

  The guy in the video said that with a totally straight face and I was like, next.

• 1:14:10Speaker 04

  You said rubies with a B, right?

• 1:14:11Speaker 06

  Rubies.

• 1:14:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Rubies.

• 1:14:12Speaker 06

  Oh, okay. Rubies.

• 1:14:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, no, no.

• 1:14:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, got it. So instead of only a few hypes, you can just buy jewels and then that's worth more than a regular hype. What can I?

• 1:14:20Andrew Manganelli?

  What's a ruby though?

• 1:14:21Speaker 06

  What can I buy with that at a grocery store? It's, it's.

• 1:14:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I pay my rent with jewels?

• 1:14:26Speaker 06

  The creator does get a share of what was paid to give you those.

• 1:14:29Andrew Manganelli?

  A share?

• 1:14:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. I don't know the percentage, but it is some percentage.

• 1:14:33Andrew Manganelli?

  This is Twitch figured this out with like bits and everything is Twitch got mad that people on Twitch were getting donations through like PayPal and they weren't getting a cut of it. So now every video platform is trying to be like, no, no, this is the easier way to pay your favorite creators. We just want a little slice of that.

• 1:14:48Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:14:49Andrew Manganelli?

  So here's your, so you're not getting $5, you're getting 700 rubies.

• 1:14:54Speaker 06

  Which is equivalent to what?

• 1:14:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Probably like 350 and I get a dollar fifty.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  No, but it's, it's gonna be like Xbox Live points where at any given moment, I'm sure what, how much a ruby is could change.

• 1:15:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Who knows?

• 1:15:05Speaker 06

  The marketplace?

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  It's not a marketplace, but that's why all of these companies do this.

• 1:15:08Andrew Manganelli?

  V bucks.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, V bucks, airline miles.

• 1:15:11Andrew Manganelli?

  RuneScape GP.

• 1:15:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, it does. A lot of this very much seems like them just copying other features on other platforms so far. All right.

• 1:15:20Speaker 06

  But I think the, the big ones, there's like three big ones that I want to talk about. All right, I'm blind to this, let's go. Okay, so the first one is dynamic thumbnails. What? So YouTube, as of right now, we've already talked about the ability to A B test thumbnails, right?

• 1:15:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:15:35Speaker 06

  You're unsure which thumbnail is better, so you run an A B test. It serves half to one audience, half to the other, and then you realize one of them's more effective and you go with that one. Dynamic thumbnails are you can upload multiple thumbnails for the same video and YouTube will dynamically pick which thumbnail gets served to which audience depending on their behaviors and which one it thinks will work best with them. Oh. It's interesting because there is a, there's a good version of this that I can imagine, which is like, we have text in our last thumbnail. It says always listening in English, but if you're watching from a Spanish speaking country and you're gonna watch the Spanish dub, maybe it makes sense if there's a version with Spanish text in the thumbnail as well.

• 1:16:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we do that already?

• 1:16:17Speaker 06

  Uh, we kind of are doing it like band-aided together on the backend, but this is now supported by YouTube where you can upload the different versions and we'll dynamically do this for you. Okay. So that's the way that I think it makes sense.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  Maybe if someone's colorblind, that color won't be in the thumbnail or like.

• 1:16:33Speaker 06

  I know, well, it's you're uploading them, so it's not YouTube making them, although I think that's just like one AI step away. But, uh, you're uploading the different thumbnails and it's deciding based on user behavior, which one it thinks will work better. Okay.

• 1:16:47Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like selecting a demographic and which one's gonna, the, the thing for this is if you wanted to really, in our, in our tech world, the easiest way to do this would be this video potentially would work really well with people who hate Apple or really well with people who hate Android. And then you can just change that one piece of text on the thumbnail.

• 1:17:05Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:17:06Andrew Manganelli?

  And maybe it would send to those. That just sucks because that means the video itself has to be very neutral or going to both of those. So all you're prioritizing is the click on that.

• 1:17:17Speaker 06

  Packaging, yeah.

• 1:17:19Andrew Manganelli?

  This is going to really be a pain in the neck in our space, I think. There's gonna be some weird thumbnails that are trying to get both sides and then you're gonna get to a video that's just not that interesting.

• 1:17:29Speaker 06

  And like, if you're optimizing for clickability and YouTube is specifically deciding who it's optimizing each thumbnail for, then you're kind of just, YouTube could be optimizing for like rage engagement, which is also not great.

• 1:17:42Andrew Manganelli?

  What isn't optimizing for rage?

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  How does it decide? And do you influence that?

• 1:17:46Speaker 06

  That part is unclear. So there are a lot of unanswered questions with a lot of these features. That one, I think it was just YouTube dynamically using AI to figure it out and I don't have much more info on that, unfortunately. Okay. The last two features. Okay. In my opinion. Give me the less. The more I've thought about them, both potentially catastrophic. Oh, no.

• 1:18:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:18:06Speaker 06

  So I'll let you decide which one we talk about first. Okay. Video A B testing or? Wait. Ask YouTube. Let's go with ask YouTube.

• 1:18:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I want to know why that one's catastrophic.

• 1:18:18Speaker 06

  The other one sounds like the end of the world, so let's talk about. So about this one first. I'll explain what it is and then we can talk about why it might be insane. Okay. So the feature itself is you can imagine if you're on a YouTube video and you're wondering if at some point in the video, the creator is going to talk about a certain thing. Let's say you're on a camera review and you want to know how good the battery life of the camera is. There's a little ask YouTube button at the top, you can click it and you can ask this AI chatbot, hey, what does the creator say the battery life is of this camera? And it will go ahead and find the part of the video where that gets talked about. Okay. It'll hyperlink you to the exact timestamp of it. Yeah. You can watch that section and then peace out. Cool. So. Gemini kind of does that already.

• 1:19:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, but this is now built into the YouTube UI and it's up and it's actually lives in the search box all the time. They already have that built into the Gemini built into the YouTube.

• 1:19:11Andrew Manganelli?

  This was, this feels like the more upgraded version because I thought there was a like ask about this video.

• 1:19:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:19:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Previously.

• 1:19:18Speaker 06

  With Gemini.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  So this is available, I feel like in a similar capacity when you Google search. If you are Google searching a how to this, it already serves you that where it'll pull a YouTube video and pull you to the timestamp. So it's just feeling like more accessible, but on the platform itself.

• 1:19:33Speaker 06

  There's an ask with Gemini feature that's ask about this video and you can ask like, when do they talk about this? And it brings you to the timestamp.

• 1:19:40Andrew Manganelli?

  If you scroll down.

• 1:19:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, you can ask questions.

• 1:19:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  I don't think this is inherently bad.

• 1:19:46Speaker 06

  It surfaces that like much more towards the top. Okay. And my question where I think this is potentially interesting is I don't, I always wonder how this stuff influences both the content that we make and the user behavior around the content that we make. Yeah. And so the example that they gave was actually like right at home, which is it was a product review. And instead of starting at the beginning and watching the entire video, they kind of just like searched for like three different answers. I think the example in my, the presentation they gave us was like, they asked which camera, um, it started actually before watching any videos. It started with them asking YouTube, which camera should I get that has like retro vibes and like has like a fun nostalgia feel?

• 1:20:29Speaker 06

  And then it gave us a bunch of suggestions and some videos to watch. And then they continued to talk to the chatbot and ask things like, all right, well, which one do reviewers say has the best battery life and a flash that makes me look good? And then it would sort of narrow it down and find videos that say those things. And then it would say, I would suggest one of the videos and then inside the video allow you to continue to ask things like, well, what do the comments say about battery life? And I find that strange. Why would you ask what the comments say about battery life? Why wouldn't you ask what the video says about battery life? Yeah. But aside from that, I think all of these things shorten the amount of time you spend actually watching the video. Yeah. And that was the thing that I worried about with that.

• 1:21:11Speaker 06

  It kind of sounds like it's data mining all of YouTube as a Google search engine. Yeah, it's like a similar experience to that. Yeah. So, uh, if you, and I, I always think about our videos as like two buckets of people that watch them. There's the subscribers and the people who are watching the whole video for entertainment value, et cetera, educational value, they aren't necessarily gonna buy the thing. But then the long tail also of people who are in a purchase decision and are watching a bunch of videos about products to decide which one to buy. Those two viewers behave very differently. And I wonder if that second batch of viewers behaves even more differently when they don't have to watch the video. Hmm. They just ask for the thing and then they piece out. Yeah. I wonder.

• 1:21:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, one, they should let creators opt out of that on their videos, then they never will, but they should.

• 1:22:07Andrew Manganelli?

  My optimistic sense of this versus the like just ask Gemini, because in the Gemini thing, you can ask without even starting the video.

• 1:22:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:14Andrew Manganelli?

  If it at least brings you to a point in the video that watches enough of it that runs to us as we at least get paid for it. It makes it not quite as bad as the just like scrape it, never get the view, never get the benefit of it. Cause at least it doesn't go into the full like dead internet theory of.

• 1:22:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Pulling from the thing that makes the person money, therefore they can never create the actual reviews part of it. But it does really suck to assume an AI is going to grab something in a video correctly with the correct context around it. Because.

• 1:22:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:22:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Just because we might say like X phone's battery life is good. If that's where it pulls out, it doesn't pull it out because we might think the battery is good because the charging's really good for it. Or that we like the efficiency of whatever, like there's all these different levels to that, that if you just hit a little 10 second clip in the video, doesn't actually help the consumer at all.

• 1:23:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think the context bit is, is important a lot of times, especially and this, I'm gonna keep using the example they used of like, I'm watching a product review. I just want to know if the battery life is good or not, or I just want to know if the camera is good or not.

• 1:23:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Don't they say that in the video?

• 1:23:18Speaker 06

  It will say that in the video, but we'll say it with the context of like for a foldable.

• 1:23:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:23Speaker 06

  Or for a, for a thin and light or something like that. We'll have, we'll, we'll review it and we'll talk about all these other things in the video with some context for what it is and its competitors and its price and all this other stuff. So when someone asks like, if they ask the feature, is the iPhone Duo's camera good? You might get to like a section of the video where I go, so yeah, I think it's, it's a pretty good camera, but you'll probably miss the part where I go, all foldables have worse cameras than slab phones because they're thinner. But like, you're stripping the context because you just got to the part where you got the answer to the, the AI question. So I'm just, I, I just wonder how that, how that affects the viewer experience and like when I'm making the video now, do I have to think about how people are going to skip around?

• 1:24:08Speaker 06

  They already skip around, but like, how are they gonna skip around with this feature? This is sort of a theme in most media in 2026 is that we just strip out all the context and just take out little bits. And removing context changes what you're consuming and changes like everything around it. So that doesn't, doesn't seem great. Yeah. Doesn't seem great. Okay, tell me. All right, Marquez, I'm ready.

• 1:24:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:24:29Speaker 06

  Just stick the needle in.

• 1:24:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:24:31Speaker 06

  So you know how you could A B test video titles? Yeah. You can actually A B C test. Yeah. And you could A B test video thumbnails? Yeah, already kind of, you know, teetering on like what I see is not quite what you see, you know, but it's, you know, it's okay. Yeah, sure. So starting early next year, you'll be able to A B test the video itself.

• 1:24:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:24:51David Imel?

  What?

• 1:24:51Speaker 06

  So the video itself, so you could watch a video.

• 1:24:55David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:24:55Speaker 06

  But the person who also clicked the same title and thumbnail could get a different version of that video. Now, hear me out, hear me out, because they did give a use case for every single one of these. So here's the example they gave.

• 1:25:07David Imel?

  I'm the example.

• 1:25:08Speaker 06

  You're a creator, you know, you're, you're editing your video. It's a 10 minute long video and you're thinking about that retention curve. And, you know, this, this little cold open you did, you're not really sure if it's a good idea or not. You've got one version with a montage in the intro and one version with a cold open where you just cut right to the chase. And you're not really sure which one is going to give you the best retention. So you just export both versions of the video and then A/B test them. And YouTube will actually give you the watch percentage and a nice little side by side graph of the retention for both versions of that video.

• 1:25:43David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:25:44Speaker 06

  Now, that's the best case scenario, I think, and it still has a bunch of unanswered questions.

• 1:25:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Speaker 06

  But there are lots of ways that I have thought about that I don't like the way this could go. And I'm sure you guys are all thinking of the same things now.

• 1:26:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I, is there any restriction to what this is? Do the videos have to be the same length? Do they have to have a certain amount that's the same?

• 1:26:07Speaker 06

  Another great question.

• 1:26:08Andrew Manganelli?

  These can be two totally separate videos?

• 1:26:10Speaker 06

  No, and no. So far, no restrictions on how different the videos have to be or how different the lengths of the videos have to be. Not that I've seen. There's also no answer to, let's see, how, how different the videos, yeah, in general, how different are the videos? Also, there's comments.

• 1:26:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 06

  Which version of the video

• 1:26:31David Imel?

  Ooh.

• 1:26:32Speaker 06

  did they watch when they left that comment?

• 1:26:34David Imel?

  They share the same comment pool?

• 1:26:35Speaker 06

  They share the same comment section.

• 1:26:37David Imel?

  Oh, God.

• 1:26:37Speaker 06

  Matter of fact, timestamped comments are very popular.

• 1:26:40David Imel?

  Yeah, wait, what?

• 1:26:41Speaker 06

  What if there's something in version one that's not in version two and they left a comment and nobody can tell what they're talking about because they watched the wrong version of the video?

• 1:26:49David Imel?

  Oh, God.

• 1:26:50Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? Like, there's, there's a lot of unanswered questions. And here's the thing that I was most thinking about. This is, I'll, I'll stop talking after this. When we A/B test thumbnails, which we do occasionally, it's usually because we're lacking some conviction, right? We're not really sure which version of the thumbnail we want to run. And so we'll run it and we'll find that if there's a small difference between the two thumbnails, it won't really produce any meaningfully different click through rate or watch time share.

• 1:27:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 06

  But if there's a big difference in like the, like the concept or the total framing or something like that, then we'll learn something.

• 1:27:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 06

  And I fear that that's probably also what's going to happen with videos, which is if it's only a small difference, only a few cuts, only a few differences here and there between the two videos, we probably won't learn very much. The retention curves probably won't be that different. And so it will encourage more drastic differences between the videos that you're testing and probably in the name of hyper optimization and just which one gets the best retention curve.

• 1:27:53David Imel?

  This is what I was thinking a lot. There's two, there's two main points here that I'm thinking about. One, that point where it's like, we are just barreling towards what is the optimal dopamine machine? Like, every video needs to have the most possible retention. So you need to say these exact things and make these exact cuts and do this. And you need to just test, test, test, test, test until you whittle down to the center of the human brain. That's the, that's the first, the first major problem I see here. Second major problem, we are just barreling towards this reality where my reality is not your reality.

• 1:28:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:28:27David Imel?

  And the fact that multiple different people could be referencing the same video and go, when he said this in the video? And you go, what are you talking about? That is bad. That's just bad. Like, and the fact that their account has one version of the video and your account has another version of the video, that we, we shouldn't be making it more complicated to know what the truth is. We're already doing that constantly with like Google Photos editing and Gemini editing and generative AI. But like, the fact that now there are just like multiple sources of truth and none of them are technically wrong, but it's just your algorithmic truth versus my algorithmic truth, that's bad.

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  It's Schrodinger's video, bro. It's both alive and dead until someone watches it.

• 1:29:08David Imel?

  But even when they watch it, it could be a different one.

• 1:29:10Speaker 00

  David, what if we get three apology videos and then whichever apology video

• 1:29:15David Imel?

  Is optimized for your

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  You get the, you get the ukulele apology.

• 1:29:18David Imel?

  Yeah, the electric guitar.

• 1:29:20Andrew Manganelli?

  We could, every phone that releases, we could make the this phone rules and this phone sucks video and put it in the same link and just make everyone happy.

• 1:29:28David Imel?

  So what you're describing is like the, immediately when YouTube comes out with a new feature, you have to think about like, how are people going to abuse this?

• 1:29:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Yeah. And that, that's the nice way of abusing it. Think of all the other people on YouTube and how they're going to absolutely abuse the ever loving shit out of this.

• 1:29:44Speaker 06

  If I was the CEO of YouTube, I would not have greenlit this feature. And I do think the line is somewhere in between A/B testing videos and A/B testing thumbnails and titles. Thumbnails and titles at first were also kind of crazy to us, but it's the packaging of the video. And there is to some extent like, okay, I, I think that certain versions of this may appeal to different audiences and they may watch it, but I'm not really sure. I can understand why you might want to test between different thumbnails. We, like I said, we do that occasionally.

• 1:30:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:12Speaker 06

  Not, sometimes it's in the name of optimization because once you run the test, they tell you which one performed better as far as retention and watch time. So it seems like that's what we're optimizing for. Uh, but sometimes it's just like, yeah, did it feel like that worked or not?

• 1:30:28David Imel?

  I also don't want to encourage creators to start making content based on algorithmic decisions.

• 1:30:34Speaker 06

  It's too late.

• 1:30:35David Imel?

  Instead of who they are.

• 1:30:36Andrew Manganelli?

  So many times the YouTube team has like, people ask them about the algorithm and their, their thing is always just like, you don't have to worry about the algorithm. Don't worry about any of that stuff. Just make good content for your audience. And this is the exact opposite of that. This is just make a bunch of content that can make anybody happy. No one knows what you're actually watching anymore. I, this is nuts. This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:31:03Speaker 06

  There has to be some guardrails. There's like no way.

• 1:31:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 06

  Like I said, if it's just innocently testing two different intros, the same seven minute video, I get it, even if the comment section is confusing with the timestamps, even if, like, I, that's maybe the best case scenario. But when there are two drastically different versions of a video, how do you, there's no way that's not bad.

• 1:31:22David Imel?

  I imagine they're going to split the comment sections into like, you'll have a comment section for the version you watched and someone else will have a comment.

• 1:31:28Speaker 06

  I don't think they're going to do that.

• 1:31:29David Imel?

  Then the comments would split in half, though.

• 1:31:31Speaker 06

  So the reason I don't think they're going to do that, and this is, I usually just predict the future based on what's happened in the past. I'm going by how they've run A/B testing titles and thumbnails.

• 1:31:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:41Speaker 06

  When you're watching a video, you do not know if the title or if the thumbnail was a part of an A/B test. Only the creator knows that. And that would still be true about the video.

• 1:31:49David Imel?

  The video is different.

• 1:31:50Speaker 06

  I agree. But that's how they've run it so far. So you watch the video and sometimes you'll even realize it. You'll click on a video and you'll watch it and remember the title and thumbnail. And then two days or a day later, you'll see it embedded on a website or something or on your feed again, and it has a different title or thumbnail. And that's when you'll realize either it was changed or it's part of a test and you're getting the other half of that test.

• 1:32:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:11Speaker 06

  But yeah, you won't know. And then the other one is you, once you watch the video, like someone else could have arrived on the same video from a different title and thumbnail, someone else can be watching the same video at the same time, but it's the other version of the video. And you won't know. So you'll leave comments and they'll also leave comments and you won't know that the comments you're engaging with were talking about the other version of the video. And if they're drastically enough versions of the video, the comments won't make sense anymore.

• 1:32:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:36Speaker 06

  They'll be talking about different things. So I, yeah, and, and as far as like abusing it, yeah, there's going to be creators who are like, oh, I'm just going to upload like three different, totally different versions of the video and tell people to leave comments based on what they see. But it's going to be based on things that are only in one of the videos. So you can only, if you see this, comment A. If you see this, comment B. You got, you got version B of the video. Congrats. Like, that's going to be a thing.

• 1:32:59David Imel?

  You can pub three crypto scams in one video.

• 1:33:01Speaker 00

  Can I share some thoughts?

• 1:33:02David Imel?

  Please.

• 1:33:03Speaker 00

  Um, I would like to make an analogy for, that people might understand because I feel like we're really in the weeds and maybe a lot of listeners might not be. I want people to think of their Amazon shopping experience, if you're an Amazon customer, and how, uh, if you're searching for a product and you read the reviews, you see the ratings, you see the comments, um, on Amazon, you can actually Swap the products that are listed on the page. So you might see comments for a five star rated toothbrush. But then you go to the page and it's actually a completely different product. So if you think about it like that, how frustrating of an experience it is for the consumer to navigate. What information is real? What information is important? And like, what am I actually seeing?

• 1:33:47Speaker 00

  I literally cannot imagine it in, imagine it in a video format. And I guess my question kind of is open ended. Is how much manipulation should a viewer reasonably expect when you're watching a video? At what point, like, the audience can't consent and doesn't know that these things are happening? So who is this really benefiting? I'm not really, it doesn't feel like it's going to benefit the viewer.

• 1:34:12Speaker 06

  I can tell you who I, how I think this feature came to be. I think that there's, there's channels and I, I talk about like the, the target audience for a channel all the time. I think some of the best, most interesting channels are niched down. Where, you know, you can imagine I'm, I'm sitting in like my bedroom. I'm talking about like these baseball cards I really like. And behind me, I've got baseball memorabilia and I'm speaking English because that's the language that I speak. And like all the things around me are very me. And if you click on the video and you like that stuff too, it's a small group, but that's a really good connection. Like, oh, you also like baseball cards and we're also speaking English. And we also happen to have like the same taste and that's all great. And then there's like the mega channels.

• 1:34:55Speaker 06

  Whose goal is much more towards its mass appeal. They're trying to appeal to as many people as possible. And these channels, you know, they love obviously the auto dubbing so that they can watch the video in any language. And they love the dynamic thumbnails. So who, no matter who you are, no matter what you're interested in, you're going to get a thumbnail that appeals to you, even if it's not what really the creator is that into. And so one by one, they're sort of like, almost stripping away parts of the experience, like the title, like the language or whatever it is, and making it maximum appeal and maximum optimized. And that has allowed them to be successful in reaching more people.

• 1:35:36Speaker 06

  But with a product that's ever more, I don't know what the word is, like not sterile, but just kind of like generic, I guess. And to them, that's a success. Boom. The numbers went up. Everything is more optimized. Hooray. And so for this video A B test, it's literally like, well, if I upload a version that does worse and has a lesser retention curve, clearly I throw that one out because the one that got the better curve is the one that appeals to more people. And the more numbers, the numbers go up, we win.

• 1:36:02Speaker 00

  I guess another concern kind of related to that I have is, um, since we don't know the guardrails for this, is this applicable to kids YouTube content? Because that's a large concern that I have as well.

• 1:36:15Speaker 06

  It's a good question. I don't know if you can A B test in kids YouTube stuff yet with the thumbnails and titles yet? I don't know.

• 1:36:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, yeah, there's a lot of just questions. I feel like we just don't have enough answers and yeah.

• 1:36:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Really was hoping Marques was going to come back from Made on YouTube with a little better answers. Cause when I first thought of this, you said how they got here and it, I can see their thought process of when you think of packaging. So often we think of title thumbnail and like first 10 seconds are kind of all in this like, how to grab someone in a, in a 20 second span from you're on your homepage to watching a video. So if you think about that, if you do just A B test an intro, maybe that applies to packaging. But if we don't know what the length of this is, it can be two separate videos, then we're just in a, a world that I don't know where, like people could go with it and, and use it for misinformation and weird stuff.

• 1:37:11Andrew Manganelli?

  And again, it's just focusing on this like weird, like, yo, what's your YouTube optimization stack? Well, I A B test thumbnails, titles and full videos. And I don't even care what they watch anymore. I just care that my view number goes up and I make money.

• 1:37:26Speaker 00

  You're just trying to stay on the platform ultimately. And I guess, I'm not sure what the practical application of this would be other than ideally optimizing the beginning to keep retention.

• 1:37:36Speaker 04

  It's also, it's a world where, and maybe this is too far, but ultimately you will never know why Google picked one version of a video versus another video. It will ultimately be up to Google. And so they could say like-

• 1:37:50Speaker 06

  The A B test?

• 1:37:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:37:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Well, you don't, you don't actually.

• 1:37:55Speaker 04

  You don't actually know.

• 1:37:56Speaker 06

  No, the A B test is, I assume it's just like thumbnails. You choose which version you want after the test is run.

• 1:38:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, it will auto choose, right? After it's run.

• 1:38:05Speaker 06

  You can have it auto choose or you can choose. So basically you upload up to three versions of it. And then what they'll give you is which one had each, they'll give you the watch time percentage or watch time share for each one. And a graph of the retention graphs for each one. And then you choose after which one you want to keep.

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  So at the end of the day, there will only be one version of this video.

• 1:38:24Speaker 06

  At the end of the test.

• 1:38:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. So it won't be, in definitely, there are two versions of a video.

• 1:38:29Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:38:30Andrew Manganelli?

  No, eventually it's set along one. 80% of the audience, which is usually in the first 48 hours, it could be two totally different videos.

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  If you are the kind of person who is just like so stoked about optimizing YouTube videos and getting tons of views. And you decide like, this is what you want to do. All respect to you, brother. Let me just tell you though, being a professional YouTuber, it's not easy. And there are plenty of great companies where you could do this for a living. RJ Reynolds, Philip Morris, um, Calchi, DraftKings. These are all flagship American companies that you could work and just get f**kers addicted to whatever you want. So why not just do that instead of having to do the hardest job ever and become a famous YouTuber?

• 1:39:16Andrew Manganelli?

  If, if you're going to this level, I think we are 10 X-ing burnout in YouTube. Like if you're at the point where you are A B testing titles, thumbnails and entire videos, you are just speedrunning burnout. It feels to me.

• 1:39:30Speaker 00

  It's clearly a feature, and I think we said this earlier, that it felt like maybe the top 1%, somebody asked for X, Y and Z. And so this clearly is catering to that demographic and content strategist. I'm sorry, but I don't like it personally.

• 1:39:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:39:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. With, I don't know.

• 1:39:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I ask a question? How are chapters going to work on two separate videos? Oh my.

• 1:39:55Speaker 06

  It's a great question.

• 1:39:55David Imel?

  They don't, they don't work at all.

• 1:39:57Speaker 06

  They already, they're already mostly broken. So they'll still be broken.

• 1:40:01David Imel?

  They already don't work, Andrew.

• 1:40:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's the thing. And maybe there'll be, maybe there'll be some guardrail that's like, the videos have to be the same length. I don't even know if you can do that if you're testing two different.

• 1:40:09Andrew Manganelli?

  But what if my, but what if I'm testing a quicker or shorter intro?

• 1:40:13David Imel?

  It's always like one frame off.

• 1:40:15Speaker 06

  So maybe they'll have to be like within a few, again, there's no current literature explaining any guardrails for this.

• 1:40:21David Imel?

  Have they said when this is launching?

• 1:40:23Speaker 06

  At the event, they said early next year.

• 1:40:25Andrew Manganelli?

  You have time to change your mind.

• 1:40:26Speaker 06

  They have time to figure it out.

• 1:40:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Change your mind. It's okay to admit you're wrong.

• 1:40:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33David Imel?

  This is what they want, like they want everyone to be satisfied. They want to like, be able to produce as many videos as possible that have as much retention as possible. Because that means they can play another ad for every user. This is the only way that YouTube gets their watch time up. It's the only way they get the revenue up. This is what they're gonna do.

• 1:40:51Speaker 06

  And I will just say-

• 1:40:52David Imel?

  It's in the late stage.

• 1:40:53Speaker 06

  There is like, again, videos have a utility and they have a entertainment value.

• 1:40:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:00Speaker 06

  I don't know if you can imagine like going to a theater and watching a video and then your friend in another city saw the same movie and then you go to talk about it later in the comment section, if you will. And you guys saw different movies, like that feels, that feels broken.

• 1:41:16David Imel?

  That has happened, but they did it as like a social commentary thing. They like-

• 1:41:20Speaker 06

  Okay. Yeah. So acknowledging that it was broken.

• 1:41:23David Imel?

  Well, they did it on purpose to confuse people so that they would talk about the movie and be like, I didn't see that. What happened?

• 1:41:27Speaker 00

  Which movie are you thinking of?

• 1:41:28David Imel?

  I don't remember. It was, was it a Netflix thing?

• 1:41:30Speaker 00

  There was, well, there's choose your own adventure on Netflix.

• 1:41:33David Imel?

  Yeah, that's different.

• 1:41:34Speaker 00

  There was the 1985 Clue movie, which did notoriously have three different endings. And everyone argued about which ending was the correct.

• 1:41:42David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's what I was thinking about.

• 1:41:45Speaker 04

  Also, at this point, to me, this really feels like the direction they're trying to push this in is like, why not just AI generate all the comments? Like, like if we're already not sure what the real video is, who, who cares if, you know, why not just create everyone their own individual little dopamine reality? And keep them locked in there.

• 1:42:03David Imel?

  That's the direction they're going for, bro.

• 1:42:05Speaker 04

  Why not just AI generate every video on YouTube? Like I-

• 1:42:08David Imel?

  That's what they're going for.

• 1:42:09Speaker 04

  What did Rufus say when we were talking about this at lunch? He was like, it's just tube now. There's no more tubes.

• 1:42:15Speaker 06

  It's just the tube. I think the, the way they demonstrate the feature says a lot about how they expect people to use it and who it's for. And in, in their explanation of it, it was really just like, here is the retention graph for each of the three videos. Now pick the one that you like the best based on the retention graph. And all you will learn from A B testing is which one gave you the better retention graph. And so now you are a retention graph machine, basically.

• 1:42:43David Imel?

  People will exploit this in ways that we cannot even fathom.

• 1:42:46Speaker 06

  Yeah. So your, your learnings from using this feature will always be in the context of retention, retention, retention. And that's somebody's game. They love that game. But I do think it's valuable if you're a creator to ignore 90% of these features. I do think that making a video and just getting the reps of making a video is far more valuable than, all right, I've made my video. Maybe I can optimize retention by recutting the intro. Maybe I can make three thumbnails. Maybe I can do this. I would just get reps at making the video. So you get good at making videos. The rest of it is like filler and fluff.

• 1:43:26Speaker 06

  And at the top 1% in the name of, you know, maxing your audience or whatever it is, you can max your retention graphs. But I really would, I would strongly advise against using this very often. If you're, especially if you're a beginning creator.

• 1:43:43Speaker 04

  Focus on retaining the light in your mother f**king eye.

• 1:43:46Speaker 06

  A retention graph of the light in your eyes.

• 1:43:48David Imel?

  I was gonna say like, we're just, everything is going towards genericism. And people follow creators not because they like appeal to the most people, but because they have a point of view. And people like to follow people with points of view. And everything that we're doing is just making things more palatable for more people. And I know that that keeps people on the platform longer. But like, you don't go see a movie by a certain director because everyone was like-

• 1:44:14Speaker 06

  It was fun.

• 1:44:15David Imel?

  That has the best retention curve.

• 1:44:16Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:44:17Speaker 00

  You guys aren't going to the movies for that?

• 1:44:20Andrew Manganelli?

  JJ Abrams.

• 1:44:21Speaker 04

  Leaving the movie 10 minutes after you sat down because you're bored?

• 1:44:24David Imel?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:44:26Speaker 00

  Has anyone considered the, the viewer experience? Has anyone thought about?

• 1:44:31Speaker 04

  Somebody think of the viewers.

• 1:44:32Speaker 06

  I will say the entire keynote and all the presentations were very much not from the viewer experience, other than the custom feeds thing. The rest of it was like, here's your tool for how you make stuff to get the viewers, to get the, you know, the retention graph and things like that. So that's, that's the lens through most of, you know, the presentations.

• 1:44:49Speaker 00

  Marquez, are you gonna make me make four different?

• 1:44:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say.

• 1:44:52Speaker 06

  The, I did.

• 1:44:53Speaker 00

  Tell me now.

• 1:44:54Speaker 06

  So I did, I, I hopped on Colin and Samira's podcast briefly after and had a chat with them about the future and Patty Gallo was next to me, famous for like, obviously he does a lot of this like retention maxing and, and innovation on this front, if you want to call it that. And his point was, and I think maybe this is the best argument for it, which was the argument against trying something new. So if you're a, you're a long time creator and you've been doing it the same way over and over and over and over again, and you have this idea of like, what if I did a little montage in the intro? I kinda like that idea, but I don't, I don't know if my audience would like that. I've never done that before. Maybe I'll try it. And you do an A B test of like, here's a version with it, here's a version without it.

• 1:45:36Speaker 06

  We see the version with it bombed and everybody hated it and you confirmed, okay, yeah, it doesn't really work. Or you get surprisingly positive comments and everybody's loving it and you're like, damn, I can try this. I can do this new thing. That was the positive argument I heard, which is like, it encourages you maybe at some point along the line to try something new that you wouldn't have tried.

• 1:45:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:57Speaker 06

  But I do think here, we typically have pretty good conviction about what we're making, why we're making it and what we want it to do and say. And so I rarely feel the need to like, oh, should I say this about this product? Like everything I'm saying in the video, I wanted to say about the thing.

• 1:46:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Just try the new thing.

• 1:46:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, you try new things.

• 1:46:17Andrew Manganelli?

  It just means half the people see the new thing.

• 1:46:19Speaker 06

  It is scary.

• 1:46:19Andrew Manganelli?

  You're still trying and putting it out there.

• 1:46:20Speaker 06

  I agree. It is scary because there are creators where it's like, if I try this new thing and I don't A B test it and I just send it and it bombs, I don't get that one back. And maybe I make one video a month.

• 1:46:30Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you learn a valuable lesson from it.

• 1:46:32Speaker 06

  I also agree.

• 1:46:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:33Speaker 06

  But you learn that valuable lesson, silo it off in a way that you can maybe just go, okay, it's good to go. Or, okay, actually it's not good to go.

• 1:46:40Speaker 00

  I have a question.

• 1:46:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:46:41Speaker 00

  Do you feel like this, well, yeah, in this scenario, cause I don't think people are gonna do that, but in this scenario, do you think this is like the solution to people having secondary channels? Cause there's a lot of people who I feel like are scared to try new stuff and then they do create a secondary channel. Like I'm thinking of like Danny Gonzalez and thinking a lot of people who maybe, they're known for one thing, but they would like to try something new.

• 1:47:04Speaker 06

  Jarvis Johnson.

• 1:47:05Speaker 00

  Like that is the best case scenario to keeping it all on one branded channel instead of making subsidiaries.

• 1:47:12Speaker 06

  Yeah. I, I will, I will say, I think a lot of creators don't have as much team help and don't have as much bandwidth. So creating a second channel is more of an undertaking.

• 1:47:25Speaker 06

  And maybe we take it for granted here that we can just spin up a channel and have the resources for it. But I think to some extent, there are people who are like, it's just me and one editor. And like, I kinda wanna try a montage intro for this podcast I did, but I don't know, I've never done that before. I don't know if people are gonna like it. Maybe I'll just do it. Maybe I'll just send it for the A B test and see if it works.

• 1:47:45Speaker 00

  It's the most earnest way to try this.

• 1:47:48Speaker 06

  It's the most generous interpretation of the use of that feature I can imagine.

• 1:47:52Speaker 04

  I, I mean, as much as I agree with Andrew, like you should, you should go for it. Like that's part of the, part of the cool part of doing this for a living is that you are empowered to like, go for it. You know? That being said, that is like the, the use of this that seems like acceptable.

• 1:48:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I just think if you really wanna try something, it should be because you think it's cool and you wanna try it and you should go for it.

• 1:48:15Speaker 06

  Because you personally want to do it.

• 1:48:16Andrew Manganelli?

  And if your audience hates it, then get the feedback and be like, they hate it because of this? I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I don't, I'm not as convinced. Or you could be like, that was sick and I thought that was awesome and some people might not like it, but I'm gonna keep doing it.

• 1:48:28Speaker 06

  Some people will.

• 1:48:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 1:48:29Speaker 06

  And that, honestly, the more I think about it, like, that's kinda how it's gone forever and how I kinda think it should go, which is like, you try something new, a bunch of the audience hates it, unsubscribes, leaves, but you loved it? That's why you made it? Okay, great. You've shedded the audience that didn't like that old stuff and you're growing and you get new audience that likes the new stuff that you're trying.

• 1:48:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:48:49Speaker 06

  And so your, your channel isn't always gonna grow and grow and grow. We all wanna max, we all wanna optimize, but sometimes you just gotta, you just gotta evolve. And this is a way of, you know, this A B test feature will be a way to like, try to stay perfect and hopefully never have a blemish. But sometimes growth is learned through mistakes, actually usually is learned through mistakes. And so you just gotta try new stuff, fail sometimes, win sometimes. That's how you like evolve as a creator.

• 1:49:15Speaker 00

  Just take the L.

• 1:49:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:49:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:17Speaker 06

  Or the W.

• 1:49:18Speaker 00

  Or the W.

• 1:49:19Speaker 06

  Or the W.

• 1:49:20David Imel?

  And brands notably change their logos all the time. We dunk on them all the time, which is true because oftentimes they're bad. But if you don't change your brand, your branding, your website, whatever, you, like, people eventually fade into irrelevance. Like people, people will, to different creators, to different types of content, they'll be saying, man, they've been doing the same thing for like 10 years. They haven't changed at all. And some people like that, but honestly, you should be adapting your content to what you want to do next, what you wanna try next. And if you never, ever, ever change, people get tired of that and they just like fade out.

• 1:49:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:49:57David Imel?

  So, I don't know, try the new stuff, but don't, don't make 12 video versions of the same video.

• 1:50:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:50:03Speaker 00

  It's crazy. Don't make your editor edit three.

• 1:50:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I was gonna say that.

• 1:50:07Speaker 06

  If we've learned anything here.

• 1:50:08David Imel?

  All right, let's make three separate podcasts and we'll release.

• 1:50:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, Adam, I forgot to tell you, we're gonna A B C test this podcast later.

• 1:50:15David Imel?

  We're gonna do three podcasts a week, but only release one.

• 1:50:19Speaker 06

  Anyway, that is, that is our existential thoughts. I think that's about, all that's about it. We have.

• 1:50:24David Imel?

  Round table.

• 1:50:25Speaker 06

  Trivia stuff, yeah, well, we could talk about that next week, right? Cause other stuff?

• 1:50:29David Imel?

  The round table?

• 1:50:30Speaker 04

  The onion stuff is not worth talking about.

• 1:50:32Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:50:34David Imel?

  We'll save the onion stuff.

• 1:50:36Speaker 06

  We'll save the onion stuff.

• 1:50:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Comment onions if you wanna hear about onions next week.

• 1:50:40David Imel?

  Make me cry, bro.

• 1:50:41Speaker 06

  And we'll A B test the onions versus no onions. Okay. In a, in other news, trivia time.

• 1:50:48David Imel?

  That was long.

• 1:50:52Speaker 06

  I'm just gonna start making A B test jokes about everything.

• 1:50:55Speaker 04

  Mariah, I told you you'd be doing a trivia question today and you were like, what are you talking about? I'm not on the pod today. This is really stressful. And I was like, you just wait and see.

• 1:51:03David Imel?

  Mariah paying attention?

• 1:51:05Speaker 04

  But first it's my trivia question. Guys, we talked about a chip made with a two nanometer process. Two nanometers is about as wide as a strand of what?

• 1:51:18Speaker 00

  First of all, you were lying to me. But here, but here I am.

• 1:51:24Speaker 04

  I was not lying. Is it a lie if it ended up being the truth?

• 1:51:28Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:51:28Andrew Manganelli?

  No, that sounds like the truth.

• 1:51:29Speaker 00

  You manifested this, I don't know how you did it.

• 1:51:31Speaker 06

  Just means you were wrong. Did you watch the transistor scale video?

• 1:51:39Speaker 06

  It was hovering next to my head.

• 1:51:41David Imel?

  But see, Marquez, I have something called intuition.

• 1:51:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I think we all got the right answer.

• 1:51:45Speaker 06

  I think he worded it in a way where if you say anything else, we're gonna think about it a little. Okay, good. Yeah, we all said DNA.

• 1:51:52Speaker 04

  And you're all correct. I should've made the question harder. I, I.

• 1:51:55Speaker 06

  You should've, if you didn't say strand.

• 1:51:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree, if you didn't say strand.

• 1:52:00Speaker 06

  I think there was room.

• 1:52:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Strand had the opportunity to throw off, cause you, cause everything compares to a strand of human hair.

• 1:52:06Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:52:08Andrew Manganelli?

  And I will say, I started thinking of animals that may have thinner hair than humans, which is a really dumb move. And then I remembered DNA.

• 1:52:14Speaker 04

  Does, uh, does anyone know anything else that's two nanometers wide?

• 1:52:18Speaker 06

  We're very close to a single atom. We are so close.

• 1:52:22Speaker 04

  But not, not, not quite there.

• 1:52:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:52:25Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:52:26Speaker 06

  Do you know?

• 1:52:26Speaker 04

  Wait, I guess, sorry. Adam, Adam's gone. Like no one knows where he went.

• 1:52:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Standing behind the camera the entire time.

• 1:52:32Speaker 04

  Adam, Adam is, Adam's literally disappeared. He's not here, which means I get to do the score update today. Everyone got one point, which means.

• 1:52:42Speaker 06

  Dang it.

• 1:52:43Speaker 04

  David, you now have 13 points.

• 1:52:46Speaker 06

  This is bull.

• 1:52:48Speaker 04

  Insane.

• 1:52:49Andrew Manganelli?

  We, we could A B C test this to where, where each of us are winning and therefore it only feeds to the people who like specific.

• 1:52:56Speaker 04

  Nevermind. Adam had already updated the score by the time I started reading it, so I was incorrect. David, you have 12 points.

• 1:53:03David Imel?

  How did Adam know that I won already?

• 1:53:06Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:53:06David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:53:07Speaker 04

  Andrew, you have seven points in the middle. And Marquez.

• 1:53:12Speaker 06

  How'd you say that?

• 1:53:14Speaker 06

  Go ahead.

• 1:53:16Speaker 04

  You have three points.

• 1:53:18Speaker 06

  Thank you. For this next one, can we get one point for each letter?

• 1:53:22Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:53:23Speaker 06

  Think about it. Think about it.

• 1:53:24David Imel?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:53:26Speaker 04

  Wait.

• 1:53:27Speaker 06

  There we go.

• 1:53:27Andrew Manganelli?

  What's, I forgot what the question was.

• 1:53:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:53:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I've been thinking about it this whole time.

• 1:53:31Speaker 00

  Question number two. We're gonna A B test. We love acronyms here at the Waveform Podcast, so what, so what time does APV and APV codec stand for?

• 1:53:42David Imel?

  What time?

• 1:53:43Speaker 00

  That's what you wrote.

• 1:53:47Speaker 00

  Okay, what is it?

• 1:53:48Andrew Manganelli?

  4:26.

• 1:53:48Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 1:53:49David Imel?

  Just what does APV say?

• 1:53:50Speaker 00

  What is APV?

• 1:53:51David Imel?

  I'm Wrong Burgundy?

• 1:53:53Speaker 00

  Doesn't make me look foolish.

• 1:53:54David Imel?

  A V P? P? A V P?

• 1:53:57Speaker 00

  A P V.

• 1:53:58David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:53:59Speaker 00

  Codex, what does APV stand for?

• 1:54:12Speaker 00

  If you don't know.

• 1:54:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm spelling something wrong.

• 1:54:17David Imel?

  Dang.

• 1:54:18Speaker 00

  All right, gamers.

• 1:54:20Speaker 06

  One for each letter?

• 1:54:20Andrew Manganelli?

  One for each letter. I just wrote a bunch of words that might be good for that letter.

• 1:54:25Speaker 00

  Adam says yes. You get one per letter you get correct. All right.

• 1:54:30David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:54:31Speaker 00

  Somebody want to read what they have?

• 1:54:32Speaker 06

  We were close.

• 1:54:33David Imel?

  What'd you write?

• 1:54:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Advanced Precision Video.

• 1:54:36Speaker 06

  I wrote, I wrote Advanced Professional Video Codex.

• 1:54:42Speaker 00

  David, what did you say?

• 1:54:43Speaker 06

  That was right. The whole thing.

• 1:54:49Speaker 04

  But only in this version of the video.

• 1:54:55Speaker 06

  What'd you write, David?

• 1:54:57David Imel?

  Audio.

• 1:54:59David Imel?

  Parallelized. Video.

• 1:55:03Speaker 06

  I've never seen that word.

• 1:55:04David Imel?

  Boom.

• 1:55:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Which that means I got two points though, right?

• 1:55:06Speaker 00

  So David got, oh, you're in perfect order. One, two, three points.

• 1:55:10David Imel?

  Yeah, one, two, three.

• 1:55:11Andrew Manganelli?

  That actually fits. That's really good for the program.

• 1:55:14Speaker 06

  Yes, the evener. That's so good.

• 1:55:16David Imel?

  Wow, wait.

• 1:55:17Speaker 06

  I literally read the article this morning and then I, in the one that added the acronym in the, in the document.

• 1:55:23David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:55:24Speaker 06

  Frank, you're like, yeah, I wrote that question.

• 1:55:28Andrew Manganelli?

  All right. Great pod, everyone. To everyone listening, depending on which version of this podcast you're listening to. Or you're welcome.

• 1:55:41Speaker 06

  I'm so serious. This is gonna be like, people are gonna end up be like, if you got this far on the podcast, comment onions. But in the other two, it'll say, if you got this far on the podcast, comment grapes.

• 1:55:49Andrew Manganelli?

  The only thing we change of every episode.

• 1:55:51Speaker 06

  Why is everyone saying grapes? It clearly says onions. Anyway.

• 1:55:53David Imel?

  Just make it right.

• 1:55:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, thanks for watching. Leave your comments on what sort of other things people will do with A B testing videos down below. And we'll catch you guys. Is next week still Techtember?

• 1:56:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Wake me up one September.

• 1:56:06Speaker 06

  Catch you guys the end of Techtember.

• 1:56:09David Imel?

  Actually, technically, by the time they watch it, it will be October 1st.

• 1:56:11Speaker 06

  Roadster Day.

• 1:56:12David Imel?

  Okay, cool.

• 1:56:13Speaker 06

  Well, we were recorded.

• 1:56:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Roadster Day, my ass. Okay.

• 1:56:17Speaker 06

  Roadster Day in the other version of this.

• 1:56:18David Imel?

  I still have the light in my eyes. I still have the light in my eyes.

• 1:56:22Speaker 06

  Really?

• 1:56:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Wayform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Rovin. We're partners with Vox Media Podcast Network and our outro music was created by Vane Sill. Also, Mariah is here and get used to her because she's gonna be here a lot for the next month and a half. And you ain't gonna see Adam in a bit, so say bye bye.

• 1:56:36Speaker 06

  We didn't fire him, though.

• 1:56:36Speaker 00

  I'm Adam now.

• 1:56:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Except for next week, you actually won't be here next week, but.

• 1:56:41Speaker 06

  Adam's just in the version of the video you're not watching.

• 1:56:53Speaker 06

  I was gonna say your mom, but then I was like, wait, that's really small.

• 1:56:58Speaker 06

  And as we know.

• 1:57:01David Imel?

  New and exclusive holiday decor just launched online at The Home Depot. Check out the viral Grand Duchess Collection with smart holiday lights you can control from your phone. Easily customize the twinkle across trees, wreaths, and garlands to match your holiday vibe. Create stunning light effects, then switch it up with the tap of your fingers. Even the man in red will be impressed. Shop the holiday decor you want online only at homedepot.com.

• 1:57:31David Imel?

  Your heart can tell you a lot about your health. Apple Watch Series 12 measures your heart rate every five seconds with the most accurate heart rate sensing in a wearable. So your vitals app, now with heart rate variability, can tell you when something is off. And your readiness score can let you know when to rest and when to push. Hear the story in every heartbeat with Apple Watch Series 12. The features described are for wellness purposes only and not for medical use. iPhone 11 or later required. Based on Apple conducted study of heart rate accuracy, August 2026. Visit apple.com slash apple watch series 12.