Burden of Guilt the Docuseries | BONUS | Season 1

Burden of Guilt has been turned into a docuseries, now streaming only on Paramount+. Available to watch HERE! https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/burden-of-guilt/ And make sure to binge all episodes of the podcast that inspired the show before you watch! Paramount+ has turned Burden of Guilt into a docuseries. Nancy Glass talks with Executive Producer Jon Hirsch about the upcoming three-part docuseries. You can stream, Burden of Guilt starting February 4th on Paramount+. If you would like to reach out to the Burden of Guilt Team, email us at [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:05Nancy Glass?

  Hi, it's Nancy Glass. I want to introduce you to an award-winning filmmaker and executive producer, John Hirsch. He has created documentaries that have aired on CNN. He did Pope, he did Lincoln, he did Jefferson on History, he did Betrayal on Hulu, and he is executive producer with me, A Burden of Guilt, and that's why you're here.

• 2:34Speaker 07

  Yes, it is, it is. So, thank you for having me.

• 2:37Nancy Glass?

  You and I, we put together the documentary for Burden of Guilt on Paramount+. What did you think when I first told you that we were going to do an audio documentary and a video documentary on a woman who was accused of murdering her baby brother?

• 2:58Speaker 07

  Well, I will never forget when you called me to tell me about this story, and it was, you sent me a text, actually, and you said, "You got a minute? I got an incredible story to share." And so, I called you a couple of minutes later, and he said, "John, he's sitting down. I found a story that I think is one of the best I've ever come across." And, you know, you and I have worked together long enough, and you know how much I trust your instincts when it comes to story. And I said, "All right, lay it on me. What do you got?" And, you know, at this point, we've worked on serial killer documentaries and cold cases, and, you know, we've seen a lot, we've heard a lot. It's hard to be shocked anymore. And Nancy, you started telling me about the story and telling me about Tracy

• 3:37Speaker 07

  Raquel's journey from what she knew growing up about her baby brother, you know, passing away, and sort of the questions that existed. And then, you started hitting me with one thing after the next, after the next, after the next, and I was like, "This can't be true," because no true crime story reads or sounds the way this one does, which sounded almost like a scripted movie. Like, you couldn't make up these twists and turns. And I was really taken aback. I almost didn't believe the story at first. And I think the part of it that I couldn't get over was having worked on so many cases that had gone cold. That, you know, had a little spark that got an investigation restarted.

• 4:18Speaker 07

  Never had I seen one where it was over two decades had passed since law enforcement had made a determination about what happened and then that case actually getting not only reopened but solved. I mean, that just doesn't happen. It's such an incredible amount of time to pass and so many things can happen. And the way in which this case gets reopened and then solved is just remarkable.

• 4:41Nancy Glass?

  It is remarkable. And I have to tell you, my only, I guess, hesitation was the way I personally feel about Tracy Raquel. Because I don't get involved that way. But I care so much for her as a person. I admire her so much. I mean, here's somebody who grows up and is this horrible. I mean, some of the stories we weren't even allowed to use about this horrible, horrible childhood. And she grows up and really becomes a hero. You know, she solves her baby brother's murder. She gets the murderer convicted. She becomes an incredible mother.

• 5:25Nancy Glass?

  She cares so much about people. She is one of the strongest people I've ever known.

• 5:30Speaker 07

  When I first met her, when you and I went out to Colorado that first time to meet her in person, I was taken aback right away by her warmth. She's incredibly warm and genuine to everybody that she meets, whether it was, you know, us coming to meet her to talk about potentially telling her story, or just the waiter who was telling us the specials that night when we all went out to dinner. She just has a kindness about her that is endearing, but it's also a little surprising when you start to know about some of the incredible hardships.

• 5:59Nancy Glass?

  What she's been through.

• 5:59Speaker 07

  That she's been through. It is amazing. And it's a-

• 6:02Nancy Glass?

  She doesn't see it that way, though.

• 6:03Speaker 07

  Nope.

• 6:04Nancy Glass?

  That's the whole thing. You know, she talked about being an opening of a center for abused women or children. And they were calling her a victim. And she thought, oh, my God, I'm not a victim. She didn't even think of it that way. Never thought of herself.

• 6:19Speaker 07

  Not a victim, a crusader is what she is.

• 6:22Nancy Glass?

  Yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 07

  Absolutely. This case was dead in the water. I mean, law enforcement had made a determination the day that Matthew tragically passed away. That, um, you know, unfortunately could have buried this crime forever. And Tracy's the reason this case got looked into again. It's the reason the case got reopened. And, you know, I don't, I don't want to share too many spoilers, but the efforts that she put in that triggered the reopening of this case are unprecedented. I've never seen it from a private citizen to do what they did 25 years after a crime took place to, to, to spark this kind of, you know, re-interest and then actually getting the case reopened is unbelievable.

• 7:00Nancy Glass?

  And she also risked her life. She was threatened. I really admire her for it. I am, you know, so proud to call her my friend.

• 7:11Speaker 07

  Absolutely. That's as, as important to me as, you know, a lot of people tuning in. I mean, this, this relationship is one that, you know, means a lot to us right now and it's going to mean a lot to us 10 years from now.

• 7:22Nancy Glass?

  So John, as the executive producer of Burden of Gilt, which you can see on Paramount Plus starting February 4th. What is it that people will see on the documentary that they didn't hear in the podcast?

• 7:38Speaker 07

  Uh, well, the biggest thing, um, is an interview with the murderer himself. You're going to hear it from him, his version of what happened that day and, and the aftermath. And it is pretty wild. And not often that you, when the dust settles on a story that's just as extreme as this one is, and a documentary that is as heartfelt as this one is, you don't often get to hear that side from the murderer's mouth himself. And that, that is something I think viewers are really going to be interested in and surprised by.

• 8:10Nancy Glass?

  We actually had to put up a warning on the screen saying, this man looks very different from the way he looked in his youth. And I didn't even want to do that because I think he looks like the person he is.

• 8:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I thought that was a tricky situation. And I look at it this way, you know, having worked in prisons, on prison shows and being around people who are living that life.

• 8:36Nancy Glass?

  Right.

• 8:36Speaker 07

  Prison is a really, really tough place, right? And it'll age you quickly, but it's an even tougher place when you murdered a kid. And it shows on his face and in his body what the toll of decades behind bars for doing what he did.

• 8:51Nancy Glass?

  I agree. I also think that we've heard from all these people, but seeing them makes a difference. We all imagine what these people look like, but I think you'll be impressed when you see what Tracy Raquel looks like, when you see the prosecutors, you hear how they've reacted to things, and it's very moving.

• 9:15Speaker 07

  Look, it is a three-part documentary that I know you and I are both incredibly proud of. I think we've done the story justice, but it is a story that is hard to believe at times with the twists and turns and the things that happen, you know, after the truth comes out and you get into the legal process of the trial, the trials in this case, you see the ways in which, you know, our legal system kind of can converge with facts of a case and feelings towards a case and the little nuances of the rules of law and how those end up influencing this case. Tracy Raquel doesn't just fight to clear her name and find out who actually committed

• 9:55Speaker 07

  the murder, but she's also up against a justice system that 25-plus years later, you know, is set up in a way that makes it really, really difficult to navigate. And she navigates it, I don't want to say flawlessly because she doesn't, and it makes it even more dramatic on the back end to finally get to that conclusion. After all the twists and turns and this saga that we're on, it's so incredibly satisfying when you get to the end because you're rooting so hard for Tracy Raquel that when you finally get to the end, it's like, oh, she did it, we did it. And I really hope the audience, you know, feels that way as well, and I'm confident they will.

• 10:34Nancy Glass?

  So I hope that people will watch Burden of Guilt, and I hope they walk away from it feeling like there is justice in this world.

• 10:44Speaker 07

  I hope so, too.

• 10:46Nancy Glass?

  Burden of Guilt premieres February 4th on Paramount+. I hope you'll tune in and watch.

• 10:54Speaker 00

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