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Finally, a classic gadget week! First, it's all about the Garmin Cirqa, the newest Whoop competitor to enter the fray. Then Marques, Andrew, and David debate whether the new Light Flip minimal phone is worth the asking price. Once the dust settles, it's all about the newest Samsung Z Flip 8, Z Fold 8, and Z Fold 8 Ultra. After that, Marques tries to explain something in tech terms, David talks about the new Peak Design field bracket, and the crew discusses new reporting that Apple is going to start a leasing program as early as next week. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: DesFit - Garmin CIRQA video DC Rainmaker - Garmin CIRQA video MKBHD - Galaxy Impressions Light Flip Peak Design Field cage Bloomberg - Apple Leasing Program This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/waveform Glaze: https://www.glaze.app/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought Light Phone was just running Android.

• 1:04David Imel?

  No, that's the whole point, is you're supposed to just spend the $300 on an Android phone, but instead you spent it on this, so you can't do anything.

• 1:09David Imel?

  I think it does run Android, but it's just like...

• 1:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I think there are people who like sideload it, but that's definitely not what they want.

• 1:15David Imel?

  If you want to sideload Android apps, just buy an Android phone. You don't have to do this to yourself.

• 1:26David Imel?

  Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques.

• 1:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:32David Imel?

  And I'm David.

• 1:33David Imel?

  Big gadget week. Lots of new stuff is coming out and we have thoughts on all of it. We can talk today about Garmin's new Whoop competitor, one of many. Also, Samsung has new folding phones that came out on Unpacked this week, and also a new Light Phone that we have thoughts on.

• 1:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That Marques totally loves on condition.

• 1:51David Imel?

  We'll see.

• 1:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Read the script, Marques.

• 1:52David Imel?

  We'll see.

• 1:54David Imel?

  And if you didn't see, we are back to our regularly scheduled programming, but our not regularly scheduled programming was the last episode's trivia extravaganza, in which Andrew, I don't want to spoil it. I don't want to spoil it.

• 2:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Andrew was there.

• 2:09David Imel?

  There were lots of changes in points over the course of that episode, and now we are resetting season five, whatever season it is. We're back to 0, 0, and 0. But if you want to see who won and who ran away with the most points, that's our last episode.

• 2:22David Imel?

  Let's just say I'm equivalent to the San Antonio Spurs.

• 2:25David Imel?

  Damn, that is a bit of a spoiler.

• 2:27Andrew Manganelli?

  You are.

• 2:28David Imel?

  If you know ball.

• 2:29Andrew Manganelli?

  You are 7'6", so you are as tall as Wemby.

• 2:31David Imel?

  That's what it says on my Dayton app.

• 2:34Speaker 05

  It also means he has a history and a legacy of cultivating French talent.

• 2:39Andrew Manganelli?

  When you're not subscribed, you miss a lot of stuff going on on Tuesdays, so you should probably hit that button.

• 2:43David Imel?

  Definitely go watch that. All right, but first, did they even test this?

• 2:46David Imel?

  Okay.

• 2:47David Imel?

  I have one.

• 2:48David Imel?

  Okay.

• 2:48David Imel?

  This one has been plaguing me for a long time, but I only recently realized how much I hate it.

• 2:55Andrew Manganelli?

  This is exactly what we need.

• 2:57David Imel?

  Yeah, so this is the Apple Weather app. I'm not sure if this is true on other weather apps.

• 3:02David Imel?

  I'll tell you.

• 3:04David Imel?

  And many people have been like, why do you use the stock Apple Weather app? Why don't you use these other ones? Mostly it's because it's included and free, because I'm a normie, I guess.

• 3:13David Imel?

  It's like using the stock calendar app.

• 3:15David Imel?

  Which would be insane. I do not do that. I'm a Google boy through and through for calendar. Anyway, the worst part about the Apple Weather app is that it can be sunny almost all day long. It will rain for like one hour at 1:00 in the morning. And if you are zoomed out on the weather, it says 90% chance of thunderstorms all day.

• 3:40David Imel?

  The icon for the day is rain.

• 3:42David Imel?

  Yeah, like it says tomorrow, 90% chance of thunderstorm. And then you actually tap into the day and it's like, oh, from like 1:00 AM to 2:00 AM, it's raining, and then all day it's sunny.

• 3:54David Imel?

  Yeah, that is, that should be a setting that you can adjust.

• 3:57David Imel?

  It's not.

• 3:58David Imel?

  So I agree with you. That is kind of annoying. I've gotten so used to seeing the rain logo and then going, oh, it's going to rain at some point during those 24 hours, and then I click in to see when during the 24 hours.

• 4:08David Imel?

  And it's usually at like 1:00 in the morning.

• 4:10David Imel?

  But yeah, it is, that is a very good point.

• 4:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Even a 1:00 PM shower, if it's only for an hour.

• 4:18David Imel?

  You don't shower before bed.

• 4:19David Imel?

  Well, see, that's where I, that's where I think it should be customizable, because I think people want to know if at some point during the day, it will rain. And then if it is, show the, especially if it's like during the commute or during lunch or when I'm going to be outside, like I want to know if it's going to rain when I'm awake for it.

• 4:35David Imel?

  Instead of a single icon, they could put like a sun and a rain icon and just put percentages next to it, like what percentage of the day is it sunny? What percentage of the day is it?

• 4:44David Imel?

  Well, that's what you see when you click in.

• 4:45David Imel?

  When you click in, but then you have to click in and this overview, like you should just know. It says freaking thunderstorms, but it was sunny all day.

• 4:52David Imel?

  Okay, okay, so the, so the Apple Weather app has a terrible layout.

• 4:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:55David Imel?

  I suggest almost any other weather app.

• 4:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I think most weather apps do that, though. If like there is rain at some point in the 24-hour day, it just shows a rain icon. And that's bad.

• 5:06David Imel?

  That's just bad.

• 5:08David Imel?

  But there should be a setting of like, will it rain during my commute or during my waking day?

• 5:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Waking day, I think like 9:00 to 8:00 PM. If there's rain in there, you can put rain. If there's no rain in that, chill.

• 5:22David Imel?

  Yeah, that's valid. It's just, yeah, I don't know. It just feels, it makes this feel practically pointless, because unless it's, it shows a sun icon, which basically means it's sun all day, no matter what.

• 5:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, and what I didn't notice, you were physically saying today, where 1:00 AM has happened already.

• 5:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:41Andrew Manganelli?

  And it still says rain.

• 5:42David Imel?

  So says thunderstorms.

• 5:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's crazy. It's past, like we're past that part. At least update when we're past it.

• 5:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. Yeah, dynamic to the point where maybe like within a few hours of the future.

• 5:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:54Andrew Manganelli?

  And then changes, so if you check your weather in the morning and it says sunny, but then when you check again at like 1:00 PM, if it's raining later, then maybe it can switch to rain.

• 6:01Speaker 06

  You should just use the Nothing Weather app, because it has a widget that shows you like the whole day.

• 6:06David Imel?

  Do they have that for the iPhone?

• 6:07Speaker 06

  This is on iPhone.

• 6:08David Imel?

  Oh, interesting.

• 6:08David Imel?

  Oh, that's the Not Boring Weather app.

• 6:10Speaker 06

  Yes, thank you, sorry. It says Nothing, Not Boring.

• 6:13David Imel?

  From eight feet away, I was like, I know that widget. Is that paid or is that free or?

• 6:17David Imel?

  It's a free one.

• 6:17David Imel?

  Come on.

• 6:18David Imel?

  There's a paid tier, though.

• 6:19David Imel?

  There's a paid tier, okay. I may start exploring weather apps the way you guys explore productivity apps. I would recommend it.

• 6:27Andrew Manganelli?

  This is Marques's like other job.

• 6:29David Imel?

  Yeah, sure.

• 6:29David Imel?

  Yeah, I got you. I think what we're discovering is why like weather apps are the peak of data organization and display.

• 6:37David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:38David Imel?

  Like there is so much that people want to know or don't want to know or want preferences on showing in like the weather display, and that's why weather apps are crazy.

• 6:45David Imel?

  Yeah, so what do you recommend for the iPhone for a weather app?

• 6:48David Imel?

  So my personal favorite is Carrot still, Carrot Weather.

• 6:52David Imel?

  Okay.

• 6:52David Imel?

  It's essentially ripped a layout from Dark Sky, which we've heard about, we've talked about Dark Sky many times.

• 6:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:59David Imel?

  So it has the same layout as Dark Sky, and then it has a really good radar implementation. So if you ever want to see the overhead of like where the storms are or where they're tracking during the day, that's really useful. And then like, so when you pull up, this is if we're going way too into that.

• 7:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll give you my layman's term of what the ideal situation is. You have three weather apps and you either use one until it's wrong and then switch to another one until that's wrong, or just look at all three of them until you find the thing you want to believe happens that day, agree with that one, and then later when it rains, be like, really didn't think it was going to rain today, and then just be sad about it.

• 7:32David Imel?

  I should just have a full page of weather app widgets and then I can just look at...

• 7:36David Imel?

  And they all say different things.

• 7:37David Imel?

  They all say different things. And I look at five and I take an average.

• 7:40David Imel?

  So this is, this is Dark Sky's copy layout. See how that's a light blue? That's like a light, a light percentage chance. So you kind of, at a glance, you know, oh, at 4:00 PM, it might storm.

• 7:51David Imel?

  What about sun?

• 7:53David Imel?

  Then it'll, these will not be gray. So this is like cloudy gray all day, but if it's a sunny day like this, see how it's clear up there? That's clear.

• 8:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Why would it be yellow?

• 8:03David Imel?

  So that's, it's just a good glanceable, you know?

• 8:05Speaker 06

  You should just do what I do and walk in the morning and ask Marques.

• 8:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Just call him.

• 8:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Your weather app just calls Marques.

• 8:14David Imel?

  This is actually what Marques GPT would be helpful for.

• 8:18Speaker 05

  Marques, you're in my phone as weather app.

• 8:22David Imel?

  That's why every day he texts, he just texts me a question mark every morning at 8:00 AM and I just answer. It's just how, how it works.

• 8:28David Imel?

  Anyway, that's mine. I just, I just need them to fix. It's just so annoying.

• 8:32Andrew Manganelli?

  That is really stupid.

• 8:32David Imel?

  It's been pissing me off, so.

• 8:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:35David Imel?

  All right. We got, we've been talking about, a lot about Fitbit stuff. We've been talking a lot about Whoop stuff. Andrew, certified Whoop hater. I stopped using my Whoop and I'm using the Fitbit air again.

• 8:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Marques, the last one standing.

• 8:47David Imel?

  Solo Whoop, so we represent the entire spectrum here.

• 8:49David Imel?

  Yeah, that's true. And now, and now, we finally got the product we've been thinking was probably going to happen eventually, and it happened eventually. This is the Garmin Screenless Activity Tracker. Andrew's very excited about this, because Andrew has used Garmin's for years, so do you want to talk about this?

• 9:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, well...

• 9:07David Imel?

  We're looking forward to it.

• 9:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I was looking forward to seeing what it was.

• 9:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:11David Imel?

  Well, let's start with what it is.

• 9:12Andrew Manganelli?

  The Garmin Cirqa, C-I-R-Q-A.

• 9:16David Imel?

  Why do they do that?

• 9:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Garmin, I guess.

• 9:19David Imel?

  Just stop using Q's. Just stop with the Q's.

• 9:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, Garmin, I guess, kind of has done somewhere. The Garmin Phoenix was F-E-N-I-X.

• 9:26David Imel?

  That's fine.

• 9:27David Imel?

  That's fine.

• 9:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It is, but not what you would normally assume Phoenix.

• 9:30David Imel?

  M-A-R-Q.

• 9:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they've all had a little, okay, anyways.

• 9:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  It's...

• 9:39Andrew Manganelli?

  This is one of those things where I saw the picture and the colors of the bands looked great.

• 9:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Andrew Manganelli?

  The materials looked really solid. It has a button on the side, which I was like, okay, I like potential customizable button. And then the more I read about it, the more

• 9:53David Imel?

  Button's cool.

• 9:54Andrew Manganelli?

  sad I got.

• 9:55David Imel?

  Yeah. So on the surface, it's roughly the same size and shape as you're expecting. It's kind of similar to the Whoop, maybe a little bit thinner. It's narrower than the Fitbit, but you know, it's a screenless fitness tracker.

• 10:07David Imel?

  It's wider?

• 10:08Andrew Manganelli?

  It's

• 10:09David Imel?

  It's wider than the, sorry, wider than the Fitbit?

• 10:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Wider than Fitbit, probably about as wide as Whoop, potentially a little shorter in terms of height off of your wrist than the Whoop. Dezfit had like a little unboxing that showed both of them. Dezfit and DC Raymaker are probably going to have 400 videos on this and I will watch all of them because they are my go-to Whoop activity tracker, whatever.

• 10:33David Imel?

  They compare all of them.

• 10:34Andrew Manganelli?

  They compare them all so much.

• 10:35David Imel?

  The thing that's also great about this one is it's no subscription needed. It's $200

• 10:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 10:41David Imel?

  for just buying it outright and using it forever. That's pretty nice.

• 10:45Andrew Manganelli?

  And now again. Always a good thing. There are, I believe it's $6 a month for Garmin, uh, what's it called? Garmin Connect Plus, I think it is. And there are some features in there. A lot of them are workouts and workout plans and coaching and stuff. There is one thing that I found out later, which is live heart rate zones and some, there's some live graphs, but most importantly, hot live heart rate zones on your phone live app that I think is Connect Plus only, which is that's so easy. It's on all of your watches already. That doesn't require the subscription for that and plays it on the watch. Back off Garmin. Put that on the free mode. Let the AI coaching and whatever be the thing you pay extra for. I think that's totally fair.

• 11:31Andrew Manganelli?

  But yeah, $200, $199, no subscription fee. I found the bands to be kind of expensive. They're $49 for an extra band or $60 for the armband. Fitbit has really reasonable accessory prices. They're like 35 bucks for some of them. They're definitely, they're Velcro, a little bit of stretch. I think the colors look really good. There's like black, a tan, kind of a brownish maroney color, and then a blue.

• 11:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Definitely chunkier. I was confused by 10 day battery life. That seems short in my eyes, considering I have the 48 millimeter AMOLED, uh, Phoenix 8 Pro or whatever it is. And that can get like 14 days of battery life with that huge AMOLED screen with Raise to Wake on. And this only gets 10. Obviously it's bigger, but this is doing so much less. It doesn't have a screen. I feel like, so my thought was, cool, it's Garmin. They love GPS. Maybe this is the first screenless activity tracker with GPS connection.

• 12:32David Imel?

  Awesome.

• 12:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Which would have been so Garmin and it's not.

• 12:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:36Andrew Manganelli?

  GPS connect only, which is through your phone.

• 12:39David Imel?

  Right.

• 12:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Which I think is such a big miss. I, I hate to say this, but I almost feel like that's dead on arrival for this.

• 12:46David Imel?

  Yeah, I would think the Garmin one.

• 12:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 12:48David Imel?

  People are going to be looking to the Garmin one for the things that they've looked to Garmin for in the past, which is a lot of outdoor workouts, which like biking and hiking and running, that's like a heavy GPS activity. If I want to take this out and not bring my phone with me, I would like it to have GPS. GPS is also a very big power draw. And I wonder if this is just a focus on like, we have to make it so thin and light and small that it's got a tiny battery and GPS would draw too much battery.

• 13:10David Imel?

  But it's like not, it's, it's kind of big.

• 13:14Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like, it is kind of chunky.

• 13:15David Imel?

  Yeah. But it's the same, I mean, think about like the Whoop and the Fitbit Air that also don't have GPS.

• 13:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoop's a scam, so.

• 13:22David Imel?

  I'm just saying form factor wise, if you add GPS to that small thing, it's cruising through battery.

• 13:26David Imel?

  Doesn't the watch have like standalone GPS?

• 13:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like

• 13:30David Imel?

  Yeah, but the watch is a much larger physical, but I know it's like a small thing on your wrist still, but milliampere wise, it's a much bigger battery because you're used to having a metal heavier thing on your wrist.

• 13:39Speaker 06

  But that's still why I thought that this new one would have GPS because without GPS, this thing should have like a 30 day battery life.

• 13:46David Imel?

  So that would be nice.

• 13:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's 10. I was like, oh, so it has to have GPS.

• 13:49Andrew Manganelli?

  10 made you think it might have GPS because even though the other ones are bigger, they have longer battery lives, GPS ender powering a screen, which makes it feel like one of those things should have stayed there.

• 14:01David Imel?

  Right.

• 14:01David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:01David Imel?

  How long does your Fitbit actually last on battery? Like 12 to 14 days. I'm at, my Whoop lasts like 10 days.

• 14:08Speaker 06

  My Fitbit lasts like maybe a week, like seven days.

• 14:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:11Speaker 06

  No, it'll be like 10% by like day six.

• 14:13David Imel?

  Mine lasts at least 10 days. And when you're tracking workouts, it goes faster because of all the higher sampling. So like, if I start a weekend with two practices at 25% battery, it's nearly dead by the end in two days.

• 14:24Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 14:25David Imel?

  So

• 14:25David Imel?

  The Fitbit?

• 14:26David Imel?

  Yeah. No, the Whoop.

• 14:27Speaker 06

  Oh, the Whoop.

• 14:27David Imel?

  Yeah. And the Fitbit too, I was getting like seven to eight days of battery. So when I saw 10 days, I was like, hmm, yeah, that's probably about right. But the others will rate it for like 14. So this seems like it's maybe not going to make it to seven for me.

• 14:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:40David Imel?

  Which is tough.

• 14:41Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll have to see. So it does, it does kind of the typical stats you can track, uh, activity tracking, heart rate, sleep, HRV, calories. It has body battery slash training readiness. That's something Garmin's had for a long time. There are, uh, there's a sleep coach included in the free metrics and all the general sleep tracking. This is something

• 14:59David Imel?

  Sleep coach is funny.

• 15:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's, well, I think it's more like, uh,

• 15:03Speaker 06

  It's how to sleep better.

• 15:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's more along the lines of like, you had a really training fulfilled day and maybe didn't get as much sleep. You should try and get an extra hours. That's all it is. It's saying like, bro, take a nap or bro, like chill out today, go to sleep a little earlier. There is vibrations for alarms. There's no altimeters for floors, climbs.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  Is there vibration for notifications?

• 15:26Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 15:26Speaker 06

  Ah, sorry, Andrew.

• 15:27David Imel?

  Just the alarm.

• 15:30Andrew Manganelli?

  There's gotta be someone who can figure out the like, if this, then that, and just make every time I get a text notification in, it just like quickly sets an alarm for 30 seconds later and then

• 15:41David Imel?

  Yeah, I know someone who can do that. It's my friend Claude.

• 15:45Andrew Manganelli?

  He sounds expensive.

• 15:46David Imel?

  Yeah, wow.

• 15:47Andrew Manganelli?

  And potentially really dangerous.

• 15:50Andrew Manganelli?

  The, what else was I going to say? The button on the side can help you with quick launching different activities. It does have auto tracking activities and most of the stuff you do through the same Garmin Connect app that you're used to, but the button can then be helpful. I haven't seen exactly how it's used, but for launching some of those activities that maybe you don't think it's going to pick up automatically.

• 16:11Speaker 06

  I feel like the usefulness of that is limited because I need my phone on me anyway.

• 16:17Andrew Manganelli?

  What do you mean?

• 16:18Speaker 06

  Like if I'm going to go on a run and I quick start a run, it doesn't track GPS. So I need my phone. I'm going to have my phone on me anyway. I'll just take out my phone and start a run.

• 16:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sure with how many different activities there, I'm sure there's some that that would be beneficial. I remember like when we used to play, or when I used to play ultimate wearing my Whoop, I would be like, we would play like an indoor league and I would go out and start running and be like, oh, I didn't start it on my phone. But my phone would be in my bag where I like changed everything, not on the sidelines. So

• 16:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Then I could just press it and be like, it's starting an activity. I'll go in and call it ultimate later.

• 16:53David Imel?

  Yeah. It is nice to have a quick start button. That's a nice feature.

• 16:56Andrew Manganelli?

  For sure. Or climbing, you leave your phone in your bag all the time, stuff like that. I could see that being beneficial. I mean, and hopefully there's some other things you can do with a button. I think a button

• 17:05Speaker 06

  I was just going to say, having one button unlocks so much. That's like one of the main reasons why I like Garmin when exercising in general is because touchscreens are so annoying when you're sweaty and it's hot out and you're like a couple of miles into a run, like just pressing a button is so much easier.

• 17:19David Imel?

  Yeah. Their absolute cheapest watches are about $250. They do have a like little screened smart band, the Vivo Smart 5. Yeah, like an old Fitbit, but it's $150. So I guess that's kind of the best.

• 17:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, this is, I was trying to figure out who I think this is best for because in so many ways, it's cheaper than Whoop because Whoop is infinite. $200, so twice the price of Fitbit Air. It's also twice the thickness of Fitbit Air, which I really think

• 17:49David Imel?

  Wow.

• 17:50Andrew Manganelli?

  is why the Fitbit Air is so good because of how

• 17:53David Imel?

  It's crazy.

• 17:54Andrew Manganelli?

  chill it is. Like it just is so minimal. It feels ideal. And as much as I like, it looks like the materials are good, looks like the colors are, it like all looks nice, but then seeing it on people's wrists and then seeing the Fitbit Air is like

• 18:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:06Andrew Manganelli?

  when you maybe want to wear another watch, having a much smaller band on your other, the smaller seems better.

• 18:12Speaker 06

  You know what this is for? This is for the people that like have an F150 and then they buy a second car that's like a Corolla.

• 18:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, that is kind of what I was, I was going to say, this is for people who do maybe really like triathlons or marathons or things where the watch telling them the information. So someone who already has a Garmin watch, but doesn't want to wear all of the time. So then all of their information's in the same app and coexist with each other, but they don't want to wear the, the giant 50 millimeter AMOLED watch that just is like pure statistics on it all the time because it doesn't look nice at work, but they still want to, you know, typical screenless activity Whoop user. I can't even take a shower without tracking my heart rate in the middle of it. So like being able to constantly track.

• 19:00David Imel?

  Dude, literally every time I take my Whoop off in the shower, I'd be like, why are you taking it off? You can shower with this on, you can just put the battery on, it's waterproof, it's okay. It's like, never take your Whoop off, always be tracking.

• 19:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I mean, I think that's anyone wearing these kinds of things. That's probably something they like to do. It also is the same proprietary. Yeah, I guess if it's cloth, yeah, take it off in the shower. It's cloth, you don't want it to be wet all day.

• 19:24David Imel?

  Yeah, I don't want to go to sleep wet. To be fair though, uh, my Fitbit Air has gotten real dirty.

• 19:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It is pretty dirty.

• 19:31David Imel?

  Pretty gross. So maybe I should shower with it on.

• 19:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, one time. You don't have to do it every time.

• 19:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Andrew Manganelli?

  It's this stupid little proprietary charger that Garmin uses, which I just really dislike. And I don't know why they haven't changed that yet.

• 19:44Speaker 06

  Okay, wait, that is my one thing that made me real, not that I like it. I agree with you, it is stupid. The proprietary charger in general is annoying, but this is what made me think that it is a secondary device. Because if you already have a Garmin watch, you already have the charger. Like if they, if it shipped with like USB, whatever, it would be more annoying. Or like a proprietary magnetic charger, it would be like, oh, now I have two chargers for my two Garmin things. Like it's like the second option. So it has the same charger, fine, whatever.

• 20:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I don't know. I wanted to be really excited by this and then the more I read about it, the less excited I was about it. They did send me an email asking if I wanted a sample. I said, yes, we'll see if they send that before this episode comes out and then take it back. But I will try it.

• 20:26David Imel?

  If anything, being critical should make them want to send you one more if they actually believe in their product.

• 20:32Andrew Manganelli?

  The gray and the like brown colors look really nice.

• 20:35David Imel?

  Why is the beige one called French gray? What makes it French?

• 20:39Andrew Manganelli?

  You should know, you're the Spurs.

• 20:40David Imel?

  Yeah, true.

• 20:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't, no ball.

• 20:43David Imel?

  It's not even, it's like beige.

• 20:45Speaker 06

  French gray is a color.

• 20:46Andrew Manganelli?

  It does feel beige. I, that's the thing I've been calling brown and

• 20:50David Imel?

  Shouldn't be white?

• 20:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 20:52Speaker 06

  No, I think it's like an actual like

• 20:55David Imel?

  Like capital C color.

• 20:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Gray is.

• 20:58David Imel?

  Color. Yeah.

• 20:59Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're gonna paint a room or something and gray is so much not gray, a lot of the times. This feels really stupid, but we wanted to paint our bedroom gray. And we got six different paint samples, put them up, and we're like, that looks really nice. Painted the whole room and Claire and I walk in, we're like, that's light blue. That is, that like, any undertone that hits with a gray, the bigger, the more it gets, you're like, oh my God, that's not gray anymore.

• 21:24David Imel?

  That's true. I painted my room Shasta blue and I regret it.

• 21:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Shas.

• 21:28David Imel?

  We've been making a lot of paint decisions recently for a certain upcoming studio and you really gotta be careful.

• 21:35David Imel?

  No, you know what's funny? I was hanging out with Brandon and Alex was sending him photos of paint samples and Brandon was like, this is useless.

• 21:44David Imel?

  Auto white balance has made this, it's like when you talk about AirPods, it's like, I don't know what color those are.

• 21:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, or the other day you were just like, it's getting really dark outside and like posted a picture to Slack and it just looked like a normal day.

• 21:57David Imel?

  Cause the AQI was crazy and it looked like Mars outside and I took a picture to see how red the air was and it's the auto white balance is like, so it's sunny, right?

• 22:04David Imel?

  So it's, yeah, I guess.

• 22:06Andrew Manganelli?

  When we saw the eclipse, there's a video of it and it's all of us freaking out and it looks like almost nothing happens.

• 22:13David Imel?

  Yeah, we gotta lock that off.

• 22:15David Imel?

  Manual settings.

• 22:16David Imel?

  Okay.

• 22:17Andrew Manganelli?

  So yeah, we'll see what happens with it.

• 22:20David Imel?

  All right, I, we don't need to talk about this for that long.

• 22:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Please read.

• 22:24David Imel?

  We do. Okay.

• 22:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Who wants to read the title I put?

• 22:26David Imel?

  I'll read the script.

• 22:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  This is the craziest phone with a hinge that's been announced.

• 22:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh no, you're missing, you missed a part.

• 22:33David Imel?

  Before we even get to that, there's a little blurb in the script. I'll read it.

• 22:36Speaker 05

  The blurb.

• 22:36David Imel?

  It says, some decentralized group chat thing that David and Adam are gonna be enamored with that will never actually exist because no one will use it and it's made by the same.

• 22:44David Imel?

  It already exists. So what are you talking about? It's already out. Here we go. I'm running it on my computer right now.

• 22:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I wish I was, but David never invited me.

• 22:52David Imel?

  I can't figure out how to invite.

• 22:53Andrew Manganelli?

  How many people are you talking to?

• 22:55David Imel?

  My three agents. But look, they're cute.

• 22:58Andrew Manganelli?

  They are kinda cute.

• 22:59David Imel?

  Okay, what is it? Look at them.

• 23:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a group chat. What is this?

• 23:02David Imel?

  Look at the little agent.

• 23:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, well, yeah, explain it and then we'll talk about.

• 23:04David Imel?

  Okay, yeah, we didn't, I didn't explain it. Okay. So Jack Dorsey's Block Company, which is now sort of a mega company, whatever. It announced this new app called Buzz.

• 23:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Google Buzz.

• 23:18David Imel?

  It is available now, so I guess that's why they took it. Buzz is just Slack, like it looks almost identical to Slack. It is so ridiculously similar to Slack. And when he tweeted it out, he said that they made it because they wanted to reduce dependency on Slack. What makes it interesting is that it's open sourced. It does not completely run on his like open protocol, which is Noster. But every action that you take within it is like, is on the Noster chain. So everything's like verified over Noster. It's like a peer-to-peer thing.

• 23:57David Imel?

  When you add people to it, it's basically like a locally run Slack. Everything is like stored both locally and put on the Noster chain. And then for some reason they have like a little mini GitHub inside of it too, so that you can like vibe code with your friends. Which is interesting.

• 24:14Andrew Manganelli?

  It's very much like the Bit Chat one that he released like a year or two ago that David and I were using on the plane and you guys were making fun of us.

• 24:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:20Andrew Manganelli?

  No, we weren't making fun of you. We were pretending we were other people.

• 24:23David Imel?

  Oh yeah.

• 24:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. It's like a mesh Bluetooth network where you can message people locally.

• 24:28David Imel?

  But it looks.

• 24:28Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like that, but with Slack.

• 24:29David Imel?

  It looks exactly like Slack, right? And then there's a little agents tab and there's three different agents that I guess you can set up to do different things.

• 24:39David Imel?

  Yeah, and you can connect, they're like, you can connect whatever agent you, whatever model you want to it. So it can be a local model, it can be like a Claude model, it could be an OpenAI model. I don't know, I like.

• 24:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Way more useful for engineering teams, I would assume.

• 24:54David Imel?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 24:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Fun for us to play around.

• 24:55David Imel?

  I like the idea of like reducing dependent on a giant mega corporation and running something locally. And I am also all for like proto, open source protocols and.

• 25:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, this reminded me a lot of, so in order for us to be in the same community, we had to, like, there's a private key and a public key situation you have to do. So I had to send David my public key so he can add me, which he can't figure out.

• 25:17David Imel?

  I can't figure out how to add you.

• 25:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Besides that, it just reminded me of this old app called Keybase that was kind of similar to this. It was just using PGP to kind of like prove ownership of certain domains. So you can verify yourself over like every social media app, which was cool. So it was a social media like platform, basically. I would go to your profile and then you would link your Twitter or your website or your YouTube channel. And then because it was verified in that way, if I saw someone tweeting and I clicked it and it wasn't you, I would know. Because like it wasn't verified on who I know to be Marques Brownlee or Andrew Manganelli, you know? So this is what kind of it reminded me of, just like easily, easy ways to verify people.

• 25:59Andrew Manganelli?

  But then that company was bought by Zoom and no one trusts it anymore. So.

• 26:05David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 26:05Andrew Manganelli?

  It, it crashed and burnt, but still, pretty cool.

• 26:08David Imel?

  Literally cannot figure out how to add you. So we'll figure it out later, I guess.

• 26:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Who needs people to chat to on a chat?

• 26:14David Imel?

  I mean, I got my agents, bro. I got three agents here. Fizz, Honey and Bumble is what their names are. They're a little claymation guys, though. They are pretty cute, I gotta say.

• 26:23David Imel?

  I will, for, I don't have a use for this, but I will say the website is very pretty.

• 26:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:28David Imel?

  And it makes me.

• 26:29David Imel?

  What do you mean you don't have a use for this? We don't have to pay for Slack anymore.

• 26:32David Imel?

  Well, we do have to use Slack. No, we don't. You think we could use this instead of Slack?

• 26:36David Imel?

  A hundred, it's the same thing.

• 26:37David Imel?

  Really?

• 26:38David Imel?

  It's exactly.

• 26:38Andrew Manganelli?

  You can't even.

• 26:39David Imel?

  Is it multi-platform?

• 26:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Is there a phone?

• 26:41David Imel?

  Yeah, there's a, well, I don't know. That's a great question.

• 26:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it on the light phone?

• 26:47Speaker 05

  Can I video call it?

• 26:49David Imel?

  Is there photos?

• 26:50Speaker 05

  Will it compress audio files I send through?

• 26:52David Imel?

  Timebot?

• 26:55Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a new light phone, everyone.

• 26:56David Imel?

  The agent can code a timebot. Okay.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  David literally cannot stop defending the agents.

• 27:03David Imel?

  Cause they're little claymation figures.

• 27:05Speaker 05

  That was a Dota joke.

• 27:07David Imel?

  What?

• 27:08Speaker 05

  Cause isn't that stands for defense of the agents?

• 27:10David Imel?

  Ancients.

• 27:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Ancients.

• 27:12David Imel?

  Wow, you thought Dota was defense of the agents?

• 27:16Speaker 05

  This whole time I actually did. Guys, I'll see you later.

• 27:19David Imel?

  Let's move on. Um, okay. There's a new light phone. You guys might've remembered the light phone three. Very difficult to use, little phone, but you know, it doesn't really have any of your apps. It's got like a podcast app, but you have to upload the files yourself. It's got a music app. You have to have all the MP3s and upload them to the cloud. It's very much like an old school smartphone that's barely a smartphone.

• 27:42Andrew Manganelli?

  That's $900.

• 27:43David Imel?

  It was a lot of money.

• 27:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 27:46David Imel?

  Was it really 900?

• 27:47Andrew Manganelli?

  So I thought it was, it launched at like 699, then claimed it was gonna go to 800, but when I was on the website this morning, I only saw it at 899.

• 27:56David Imel?

  No way, it's 300.

• 27:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Pressure. No, no, sorry. We're talking about the old one.

• 28:00David Imel?

  Oh, the original light phone. Oh, the three. Okay.

• 28:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Phone three, yeah, sorry. You were saying you remember the light phone. So I thought we were talking about.

• 28:09David Imel?

  Okay, I'm sorry.

• 28:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 28:11David Imel?

  I remember, okay, this is what's crazy. The light phone is a very old product and even the.

• 28:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, the first one, yes.

• 28:16David Imel?

  Even the light phone two is a very old product. Cause I remember like Adam and I, when we were Android Authority, kept being like, can we review this? And it was already like a few years old. And they just like, they were like, there's no interest in this. Anyway, last year they released the, or maybe it was earlier this year, I don't remember, the light phone three, $900, insane pricing.

• 28:37David Imel?

  It's cool, it's interesting, but it's $900 and it's hard to use.

• 28:43David Imel?

  Now.

• 28:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Marques is about to explode.

• 28:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 28:46David Imel?

  Go on.

• 28:47David Imel?

  Now they have the light flip. And effectively what the light flip is, is they kinda, it seems like they kinda jacked the screen out of the light phone two, maybe, or maybe it's like a different screen. But it's a flip phone, looks adorable, kinda looks like it was made by Ikea or Teenage Engineering or both.

• 29:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Like if Ikea made a flip phone toy for kids.

• 29:10David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, basically.

• 29:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 29:12David Imel?

  It comes in these really fun colors. It's got these like raised buttons on the inside. It's a legit flip phone with the light phone UI. And it's 300 bucks, which I don't think is as bad, like, I don't know.

• 29:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you want me to run your specs?

• 29:26David Imel?

  I saw your tweet. I was like, yeah, it's 300 bucks.

• 29:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Your guys tweets came up like next to each other on mine and it was David being like, this is so cute and cool. And Marques is like, I hate this. This makes no sense. I'll run through specs really fast.

• 29:42David Imel?

  Okay.

• 29:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 29:43David Imel?

  How cute it is.

• 29:43Andrew Manganelli?

  299, 2.8 inch, 480p OLED display.

• 29:48David Imel?

  Yes.

• 29:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't see anything about touch support, so I'm going to assume this is not a touchscreen.

• 29:53David Imel?

  I doubt it's a touchscreen.

• 29:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Buttons are really big and circular and they match the colors. It is a flip phone, but it is a thick flip.

• 30:00David Imel?

  Look how ridiculously cute this is.

• 30:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It is really adorable.

• 30:03David Imel?

  Kidding me?

• 30:05Andrew Manganelli?

  You can either use T9 or voice to text audio. I'm so interested how many people remember how to use T9 because I don't think a lot of people do.

• 30:14David Imel?

  It's slow.

• 30:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, it's faster than regular typing on it, but yeah. I see that being a huge issue for like very specific proper nouns, like cities and street names, like not to doxie Marques, but imagine trying to type your street name.

• 30:30David Imel?

  Yeah, it would take me 20 minutes on the phone.

• 30:32Andrew Manganelli?

  It would take you so, cause T9's a predictive word. And then voice, you can say it and maybe it can use context clues, but like I've had voice to text screw up much easier.

• 30:44David Imel?

  It's almost like this is a flawed product.

• 30:47Andrew Manganelli?

  The available tools or apps, you wanna call it, alarm, calculator, calendar, directory, directions, hotspot, music, notes, voice memo, podcast, weather, authenticator, timer.

• 30:57David Imel?

  I bet their weather app is more accurate than the app.

• 30:59David Imel?

  How are you gonna do T9 authenticating? Sorry, keep going.

• 31:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, authenticator just needs to show, so it just needs to be the thing that can show you the authenticator codes, right?

• 31:07David Imel?

  Yeah, you gotta log in though.

• 31:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Which, you do have to log in.

• 31:09David Imel?

  It's so beautiful.

• 31:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, could you QR code scan to log in on an authenticator app?

• 31:15David Imel?

  Hopefully.

• 31:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought so.

• 31:16Speaker 06

  If you have both phones, you can unlock it with the other one or you can decrypt it with a password. I had an issue recently where I tried to use an Apple phone and log into my authenticator app and it wouldn't let me do it because it was saying that the phone itself wasn't secure enough to do it. So I wonder if this will have that issue. I don't know, doubt it, but.

• 31:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Still no email. This is, I'm gonna do my really quick rant before I let you two go at it, but. Stop calling email app a distraction. I'm not like going through my email app like

• 31:45David Imel?

  Doom scrolling.

• 31:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Doom scrolling my emails through like spam like people need work isn't a distraction. Work is work. Work is how I make money to buy this phone.

• 31:55David Imel?

  You know what Tim told me the other day? He said he took Instagram off his phone for the month and he's been doom scrolling LinkedIn.

• 32:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, for a while it was Facebook Marketplace for me, but that's a really fun doom scroll.

• 32:06David Imel?

  LinkedIn is so much worse.

• 32:08Andrew Manganelli?

  That is worse, but like, yo, I need email. Like, maybe you could argue Slack and stuff. I think that's all still stuff most people need for work, but like, I just need my email for so many different things. Let me have my email. Anyways, colors are black, navy, red, pink, yellow, gray.

• 32:26Andrew Manganelli?

  And yeah, all that. Who wants to go first, Mark or David?

• 32:29David Imel?

  You should never, you should never get one.

• 32:32David Imel?

  You should just never get one.

• 32:34David Imel?

  I don't think that this is that overpriced.

• 32:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think it's crazy overpriced.

• 32:38David Imel?

  This is the Corolla to your F-150.

• 32:41David Imel?

  Okay, this is the scooter. Okay, all right. This is a, so like you said, Andrew, it's not a touchscreen. It's a T9 like number layout keyboard on a flip phone, which is fine for a flip phone. But it's also supposed to be like kind of a decently functional thing. You can see you can do podcasts and calendar and directions. And you're supposed to type into these things with the T9 keyboard all the time with predictive text. That sounds terrible.

• 33:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Voice to text.

• 33:07David Imel?

  Or maybe voice to text. It has a camera on the back. That's something some flip phones have and maybe you could take a couple of pictures. I just don't understand why you would spend $300 for this when you can spend $100 on a flip phone that does the exact same thing. Or, or you could spend $300 on a smartphone that lasts four or five days because you're not doing anything on it. Why are you, why are you spending $300 on this? Because it looks really nice, I guess. They're, they're essentially preying on people who want a beautiful object and who don't actually do much of anything on their phone, which is fine. It's just you don't have to spend $300.

• 33:48David Imel?

  The Kyocera E4 830 Duro XC Epic AT&T Unlock Consumer Seller T-Mobile Flip Phone 16GB Rugged is

• 33:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Bless you.

• 33:56David Imel?

  200 bucks at Best Buy and I would pay an extra $100 for you of a thing that looks like a teenage engineering product with it amazing dumb UI that is like hard to use, but just beautiful. It is just beautiful.

• 34:11Andrew Manganelli?

  There was a $99 one there on the

• 34:13David Imel?

  Yeah, I went around.

• 34:14David Imel?

  You can, you can get a Moto G Power.

• 34:18David Imel?

  That's a smartphone.

• 34:20David Imel?

  Yeah, it is. And it does way more than this.

• 34:23David Imel?

  Yeah, but that's not what people buy these for.

• 34:25David Imel?

  I know, but then you put a launcher on it and it does whatever you want.

• 34:29David Imel?

  Yeah, but it doesn't look like this.

• 34:31David Imel?

  Yeah, well, I guess that's the only reason you can justify it is because nothing else looks like this.

• 34:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:37David Imel?

  Which is fine.

• 34:38David Imel?

  Yeah, I'm, and I will say like, I, I didn't get to use Light Phone 3.

• 34:44David Imel?

  Why don't we just make it 2000?

• 34:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Light Phone 3 is $900 on his website right now. That's also absurd.

• 34:50David Imel?

  That's absurd.

• 34:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Wild.

• 34:51David Imel?

  But that's three times as much as 300.

• 34:53David Imel?

  But nothing else looks like that.

• 34:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:56Speaker 06

  Except the minimal phone too.

• 34:59David Imel?

  The minimal phone.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  Which was announced recently as well.

• 35:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, was it? I, this is one of those things where like, I actually like, I like what it looks like. I personally don't think it's that crazy overpriced, especially because it's a smaller company. But I'm just so mad at the things that they consider distractions that I think some, most people know, need for everyday life. I think an email is one of those things. When you don't include those things, you're guaranteeing that this is a secondary phone to you and that you still for work or important things need to bring a phone with you. Which then the distraction is just in your backpack and

• 35:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 35:33Andrew Manganelli?

  when I'm hankering for a doom scroll, I'm just gonna go in my backpack.

• 35:38David Imel?

  Not having a touchscreen makes things really tough for this phone, like to use.

• 35:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Which I think you could put more apps on it that are quote distractions because it will just be so hard to use. You can have it for the needed communications you need. But you won't be spending a whole lot of time on email again. I just don't get them. I'm stuck up on that for sure.

• 36:01David Imel?

  Like making a phone call makes perfect sense. Texting, you can do T9 texting. I want to pull up a song and play it in a music player. That's

• 36:08David Imel?

  I mean, you can do that if you own the MP3s.

• 36:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:12David Imel?

  Yeah, not gonna be searching through podcasts very often, but yeah.

• 36:16Andrew Manganelli?

  You can't just download Spotify on this?

• 36:19David Imel?

  Nope.

• 36:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Isn't it Android? I thought Light Phone was just running Android.

• 36:22David Imel?

  No, that's the whole point is you're supposed to just spend the $300 on an Android phone, but instead you spent it on this, so you can't do anything.

• 36:27David Imel?

  I think it does run Android, but

• 36:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I think there are people who like sideload it, but that's definitely not what they want.

• 36:34David Imel?

  If you want to sideload Android apps, just buy an Android phone. You don't have to do this to yourself.

• 36:40David Imel?

  We recently launched a developer program for community-built and open source tools.

• 36:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, putting Instagram on it?

• 36:48David Imel?

  There's currently not a music streaming platform like Spotify or a way to call message with platforms like Signal or WhatsApp. There is not a rideshare tool available. These tools may be possible in future software updates.

• 36:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, you love future software updates?

• 37:02David Imel?

  I'm not even gonna say it. You know what I'm gonna say, so I'm not even gonna say it.

• 37:05David Imel?

  I will say it is funny that, and this happens all the time. This happened with ARM chips. This happens with everything. Eventually we, we build too much functionality into things and we go, we don't need all that functionality. Let's strip it all away. And then eventually we're like, this needs more functionality. And then they just build it out again. So that's kind of what's happening here.

• 37:24David Imel?

  A books Palmer with a color screen.

• 37:26David Imel?

  The main annoying things, so I didn't get to review the Light Phone 3, but my friend Michael Fisher did. And when I was hanging out with him a lot, it was really annoying because he couldn't like call an Uber. He couldn't pay me on Venmo conveniently.

• 37:45David Imel?

  So eventually he, he did enjoy his time with it because he was reading books more and stuff, but eventually it got a little bit too annoying and he just was like, this is just a little too annoying. So if they could put, maybe if they could put Rideshare and Venmo on here.

• 37:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Could I?

• 38:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Andrew Manganelli?

  The light, the minimalist community is gonna hate me for saying this, but could you compare these to like a crash diet where it's not sustainable? So you buy one and then you're like, I can do it. And then you're just cursed through it. You know, you're totally crashing, crashing. And then you go, I can't do this anymore. And then you just absolutely binge doom scrolling and like your phone and distractions after that.

• 38:24Speaker 06

  Okay, I have, I must have a very different view on the use of this phone.

• 38:27David Imel?

  I'm ready. Let's go.

• 38:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I want to hear it.

• 38:28Speaker 06

  Okay. Outside of the $299 price tag, you could pay, what is it? $39 a month, $49 a month to have it be on a like plan with one gigabyte of data and unlimited call and text, whatever. I think this is your personal phone. And then you make your smartphone, your work phone. So like you get home and you put one phone with Slack and email and everything. You put that in your backpack for the next day. You walk around with this phone.

• 38:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:57Speaker 06

  On the weekends, you just leave your phone at home. It's like a laptop. You just leave it at home because you don't, you're not doing any work. And then you have a $39 phone that you're just walking around with in case someone needs to contact you.

• 39:05Andrew Manganelli?

  That's right. We've talked about this with like clicks and stuff like that, but it just feels, also I love how it's like, we can be distracted at work. That's cool.

• 39:15David Imel?

  Well, not being distracted is what you're gonna do.

• 39:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Boss's time, Instagram it up.

• 39:20Speaker 06

  Well, I actually do need to post to social for work, but more so just the tools themselves are not available on this phone, like Slack.

• 39:27David Imel?

  Exactly.

• 39:27Speaker 06

  You don't get Slack on this phone, so you can't do it for work.

• 39:30David Imel?

  I think that's, that's nice if you have that nice delineation where the only thing you need your personal phone for is for people to contact you and then the rest of the stuff you only need at work. But the once in a while you need a Venmo someone or the once in a while you need to Uber somewhere or you need to do some quick, you know, Apple pay, like pay for something on your, like once in a while that little, those annoyances are gonna add up, especially with a phone like this where you can't use a QWERTY keyboard. And I feel like after a while, I'm just gonna get annoyed. And I think most people who use this are reviewers giving it a shot and then being like, yeah, it's not for me.

• 40:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know, man.

• 40:01David Imel?

  There are dozens.

• 40:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Have one?

• 40:03David Imel?

  Does he still have it?

• 40:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if he's still

• 40:05David Imel?

  He's just using a Nokia.

• 40:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, when he came, he was using a dumb phone.

• 40:08David Imel?

  I would say use a Nokia. You'd spend a tenth of the money. It's probably a better deal.

• 40:12David Imel?

  Does the Moto G Power have the little flip phone charm ring thing that you can put charms on your phone?

• 40:19David Imel?

  No, it does not.

• 40:20David Imel?

  Just saying.

• 40:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. That charm feels pretty destructive.

• 40:23David Imel?

  There's a long list of things.

• 40:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Doom scroll, my charms.

• 40:29David Imel?

  Uh, also I, I do have to say that it ship, it doesn't ship until April of next year. Which is a really long

• 40:36Speaker 06

  I feel like they always do that though. They always announce it and it's like shipping way

• 40:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Technically you're still reserving the Light Phone 3.

• 40:41David Imel?

  Yeah, part of me make, part of me thinks that these are all renders and they don't actually have like units.

• 40:47David Imel?

  By the way, the Moto G Power is like A solidly good looking phone.

• 40:51David Imel?

  Let me see.

• 40:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Why don't you buy one?

• 40:52David Imel?

  I was just. I have one. I have one.

• 40:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, we do have.

• 40:55David Imel?

  I do have one.

• 40:56David Imel?

  Yeah, it's not bad looking. It's not bad looking. There's a reason that Motorola is been getting more popular in the United States. Well, I for one want the IKEA phone.

• 41:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, minimal phone two?

• 41:10David Imel?

  If you make something look like teenage engineering made it, you will make it desirable.

• 41:14David Imel?

  Yeah, that's true. That's all you need to do.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  I won't rant about it because I do love this that this series of phones too much, but minimal phone two.

• 41:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  Does solve.

• 41:24David Imel?

  They just have a silhouette though.

• 41:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, yeah, all you can see is that it has a keyboard.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  It doesn't matter. They're bringing it back. Minimal phone one was so much fun to use for that month.

• 41:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Wasn't that the where you like absolutely break down by the end of the video?

• 41:38Speaker 05

  No, no, no, I was doing great. I think I was.

• 41:41Andrew Manganelli?

  You looked like you were in a therapy session by the end of it.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  That is true. The only reason that that phone was unsustainable was because of the lock screen glitch where it would constantly die because it kept trying to unlock in my pocket. But assuming they fix that in version two, I would easily switch back.

• 42:00David Imel?

  We'll see.

• 42:00Speaker 05

  Especially if it has RCS support.

• 42:02David Imel?

  That'd be sweet.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Anyway, you know what doesn't have RCS support?

• 42:05David Imel?

  The minimal phone three. Cause it doesn't exist.

• 42:09Andrew Manganelli?

  We added RCS to trivia.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  Oh, we did?

• 42:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  Stick or react to this.

• 42:14David Imel?

  I could do that with the sloth.

• 42:16David Imel?

  Trivia time.

• 42:17David Imel?

  Trivia time.

• 42:17David Imel?

  Zero, zero, zero.

• 42:18Speaker 05

  Zero, zero, zero. Guys, if you haven't watched trivia extravaganza, I won't spoil it. However, despite like 800 points being given out in the over the course of that episode, the final score was down to a mere eight point difference. It was a serious nail biter. But today, resetting season six, zero, zero, zero. First question after the break, we're going to talk about the new Samsung foldables. So this is a foldable. It's not actually a it's not a foldables question. But everyone is acting like they invented the passport style foldable these days. However.

• 42:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I did.

• 42:56Speaker 05

  Which handset manufacturer, which phone company committed to the form factor so hard they actually named a phone? The passport in 2014.

• 43:07David Imel?

  Light phone.

• 43:07Speaker 05

  It was discontinued in 2016.

• 43:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Dieter Rams.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Excuse me. It wasn't discontinued. They ended production in 2016.

• 43:13David Imel?

  2014?

• 43:15Speaker 05

  2014 to 2016, it was in production. It was called the passport. Who made it?

• 43:19David Imel?

  Was it actually foldable?

• 43:21Speaker 05

  It was not. It was just 2014.

• 43:23David Imel?

  I feel like I reviewed this.

• 43:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 43:26David Imel?

  I just don't.

• 43:27Andrew Manganelli?

  When I just assume I know right off the bat, I'm like, both of them are known. Yeah.

• 43:30David Imel?

  I thought it was altered.

• 43:32Speaker 05

  2014.

• 43:33David Imel?

  Okay.

• 43:34Speaker 05

  The blank passport.

• 43:35David Imel?

  Honda. Anyway, the real answer will be at the end after the break. We'll be right back.

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• 45:11David Imel?

  All right, welcome back. We got to talk about Samsung Unpacked. That was this week. It's actually it's Wednesday. We're recording it literally right after watching that hour and a half of something.

• 45:22David Imel?

  Fringe.

• 45:23David Imel?

  Yeah, a lot of vertical AI generated ads in that.

• 45:27Andrew Manganelli?

  That was so weird.

• 45:27David Imel?

  Keynote for some reason.

• 45:29David Imel?

  Guinea pigs.

• 45:29David Imel?

  Kind of strange, but they did unveil two watches, three phones and some glasses. So we can talk about all of that. Like I said, a lot of gadgets.

• 45:37David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 45:38David Imel?

  Let's start real quick with the, I think the simplest stuff.

• 45:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 45:43David Imel?

  There's two new watches.

• 45:45David Imel?

  Okay.

• 45:45David Imel?

  There's a Galaxy Watch nine and a Galaxy Watch Ultra two. They get updated specs. There's a 5,000 display on the Ultra two. They're like generally better overall and they're also still, I think, 350 or 360.

• 45:57Andrew Manganelli?

  379 and 699.

• 46:00David Imel?

  Yeah. So that's great. There's also a new flip. The new flip eight is slightly thinner. It's got a slightly brighter screen, a little bit more functionality on the cover screen, and it is still a thousand dollars.

• 46:13Andrew Manganelli?

  As the new titanium.

• 46:15David Imel?

  Titanium.

• 46:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Whatever.

• 46:16David Imel?

  Yeah. So the titanium.

• 46:17David Imel?

  They did up the price by a hundred dollars.

• 46:19David Imel?

  Yeah. Oh, it's 1100, right?

• 46:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It also is back to a Snapdragon chip after last year being X-nos only.

• 46:25David Imel?

  That, yeah, that's the Snapdragon eight elite gen five. So that's good. And then we got two new big folds and what they did was kind of interesting. They have a new fold eight as you're picturing it, a candy bar style. Then they just added the word ultra to the end of the name and updated the specs and the titanium flex hinge and everything. And this is the new big fold is what I'm calling it. Snapdragon elite gen five, 5,000 milliampere battery, slightly less hinge or slightly less crease. Not zero crease, but slightly less crease. There's an anti-reflective coating on the inside screen.

• 47:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, oh, wait, no, I'm sorry. That's the new one.

• 47:03David Imel?

  Yeah, it's $2,100 and it is starting at 250 gigs. So it's a hundred bucks more than last year. And then they introduced a new fold eight that is underneath that. So it is taking the name of the previous phone, but it is now this like short, wide passport shaped squat one. I'm holding it right here for video users. So you can see what I'm talking about. This is the fold eight. And, okay, this one is interesting to actually talk about. I really like this one.

• 47:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:33David Imel?

  And I was, I was curious to see if other people who got their hands on it liked it as much as I do as well. There's a couple of reasons why I really like it.

• 47:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam is jumping at the bit.

• 47:41David Imel?

  Adam really likes it. Adam really wants to use it.

• 47:43David Imel?

  I like it a lot.

• 47:44David Imel?

  So here's a couple of interesting things about this. One, it is smaller, of course, right? It is a small, what is it? A, what'd you say? Five and a half inch outside?

• 47:52David Imel?

  It's five and a half inch on the outside. Yeah.

• 47:54David Imel?

  And it's a like 16 by 11 or 16 by 10 aspect ratio on the outside. So it's this little, not quite square, but it's kind of squareish display, right?

• 48:03David Imel?

  Rectangle.

• 48:04David Imel?

  Then when you open it, it becomes a 7.6 inch four by three display.

• 48:09David Imel?

  Four by three, babe.

• 48:10David Imel?

  Four by three is nice. That's a nice aspect ratio for reading when it's vertical. For, you know, media is okay on it, but for looking at your pictures and stuff, it's nice.

• 48:19David Imel?

  Medium format camera sensors are four by three.

• 48:21David Imel?

  A lot of photos you take are four by three. And then it's really thin and light. This is the other thing that I found interesting about it. It's 201 grams. That's only like eight more grams than a regular S26 plus. So it feels like the same weight as a regular slab phone, but it is a totally different shape.

• 48:41David Imel?

  I guarantee you Adam's on the preorder page right now.

• 48:43Andrew Manganelli?

  He's opened it and closed it like four times this morning.

• 48:46David Imel?

  On the checkout cart.

• 48:47David Imel?

  I have like six tabs open. I'm trying.

• 48:50David Imel?

  It's got dual cameras on the back, so only two, it's a 50 megapixel primary instead of the 200 and a 50 megapixel ultra wide. And it's a 4,800 milliampere battery. So it's just, it's a little bit less phone than the Ultra.

• 49:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:03David Imel?

  The Ultra didn't like get any new functionality to deserve the Ultra name.

• 49:07Andrew Manganelli?

  What do you mean? It got the Ultra camera?

• 49:08David Imel?

  It had, it had that camera last year. So it's just like, whatever. They just decided to add the name Ultra and it's more of a positioning thing to like slot this in underneath.

• 49:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:18David Imel?

  We all think Apple is also going to make a passport shaped fold later this year. So maybe that was a little clever positioning on their part, but.

• 49:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:25David Imel?

  I really like this size.

• 49:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Before we get into that.

• 49:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we talk about how stupid the Ultra naming like? Normally, when we get a Pro or Ultra or something, it's because we get something.

• 49:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:37Andrew Manganelli?

  This is just naming it so it can slide something underneath it.

• 49:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:41Andrew Manganelli?

  That sucks.

• 49:42David Imel?

  Yep.

• 49:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. That's really annoying.

• 49:44David Imel?

  They should have just called it like the Fold Plus.

• 49:46David Imel?

  I think the Fold W Wide or like.

• 49:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:49David Imel?

  Or this Fold Wide, yeah. Remember when the the Edge came out, this like super thin phone? That made sense because it was just like a, and you add that to the end of the name to signify that it's a certain type of phone. This could be the Fold Wide or the Fold Edge or something.

• 50:04David Imel?

  And they are kind of putting themselves in a corner because if you remember correctly, Google originally made a short wide foldable as their first foldable as well. And then they eventually just gave in to the rest of the market and they made a tall one again. And if Apple maybe starts with the Passport style, but then decides later that they want to go to the tall one, then Samsung's kind of stuck with the Ultra and the Normal.

• 50:26David Imel?

  Yeah, which is fine.

• 50:27David Imel?

  Which is fine.

• 50:28David Imel?

  They're a company that seems perfectly content to make a thousand different phones.

• 50:31David Imel?

  That's true.

• 50:32David Imel?

  Um, but yeah, for now, this is the one that takes the mantle of just, this is the Fold 8 by name.

• 50:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:37David Imel?

  Now, it's $1,900. That's the biggest beef that I have with it personally.

• 50:42David Imel?

  And starts at 256 gigs of storage.

• 50:45David Imel?

  That is also true.

• 50:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:46David Imel?

  Uh, but everything else about holding it and using it is, I think, surprisingly nice. Uh, again, less crease on the inside. So if you look at the hands-on video that we published on Wednesday, you'll see that there's less crease. Uh, it's not zero crease, but it is noticeably nicer. It's a brighter inside screen. This is 3,000 nits instead of, wow, instead of 5,000. I didn't drop it. I didn't drop it.

• 51:10David Imel?

  You almost dropped it.

• 51:11David Imel?

  Um, it's got almost even bezels all the way around on the front instead of having kind of like an extra bezel on the side.

• 51:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:18David Imel?

  It's, it's just nice.

• 51:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:19David Imel?

  It's nice to hold.

• 51:20David Imel?

  So there's a few pretty major quality of life improvements that they added to both this one and the Ultra. One is the Flex Titanium Display, which is what gets rid of that crease. It also makes the display components a little bit thinner. We talked about that before. It uses a titanium alloy underneath the OLED panel and then a titanium plate that has tighter bonding. All that really means is that the screen can be thinner so they can shave off some millimeters. It also uses less power, uh, because there's less layers of displays. So they don't have to, it doesn't get diffused as much. Other major changes are though, they charge at 45 watts now because this is the first time Samsung has finally, finally started doing silicon carbon.

• 52:01David Imel?

  Uh, however, in our briefing, everyone was like, so it's silicon carbon, right? And Samsung was like, we are using, we are beginning to use silicon in our batteries. And everyone's like, so it's silicon carbon. They're like, we're experimenting with using a bit of silicon.

• 52:20David Imel?

  Weird. It's almost like they didn't want us to say it or, or think about it as a silicon carbon battery.

• 52:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:24David Imel?

  Like it's still a lithium ion battery.

• 52:26Andrew Manganelli?

  We should title this podcast episode, Samsung Switches to Silicon Carbon.

• 52:30David Imel?

  It's strange. It's like.

• 52:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:32David Imel?

  Look, they get some benefit out of it. They get higher density, so they get a 5,000 milliampere hour battery on the big fold and 4,800 on this one.

• 52:39David Imel?

  Which is pretty awesome for that one. I feel like this one is going to be the battery king because it's like way less screen.

• 52:44David Imel?

  Less outside screen, 4,800. That's pretty nice.

• 52:47David Imel?

  Pretty nice.

• 52:47David Imel?

  It also is the first time they've bumped up charging speed.

• 52:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:50David Imel?

  So 45 watt charging and 20 watt wireless charging.

• 52:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:53David Imel?

  So they're getting some of the benefits of us, what we've seen from all these silicon carbon batteries. But it's not like I'm holding in my other hand for audio listeners, the OnePlus 15, which is a 7,000 milliampere hour battery with like 90 watt charging.

• 53:05David Imel?

  It's not foldable.

• 53:06David Imel?

  R I P.

• 53:07David Imel?

  R I P.

• 53:08David Imel?

  And so it's like, these other companies are using way more silicon in the anode from my understanding and they're being much more aggressive with it. But potentially, as we saw in our video, also dealing with more risks, potential swelling, other things that could go wrong in the long-term future, we don't know. Samsung extremely conservative in that department, but they're using a little bit more silicon.

• 53:27David Imel?

  For a reason.

• 53:28David Imel?

  And delivering respectable battery, we think.

• 53:31David Imel?

  Samsung just has PTSD because the Note 7 kept exploding and because, uh, all Samsung phones, if you don't charge them over a certain period of time, the batteries just pop out the back.

• 53:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they clearly have the worst battery issues.

• 53:43David Imel?

  Every Samsung phone, I swear. It's like only, yeah, anyway.

• 53:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:46David Imel?

  It's not only Samsung phones, but it's, it's every Samsung one.

• 53:49David Imel?

  So we'll see how that, we'll see how it ages in the long term.

• 53:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not every phone that swells is Samsung, but every Samsung phone swells.

• 53:56David Imel?

  Exactly.

• 53:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:58David Imel?

  Exactly. Um, yeah. So Note 7 too, because they didn't want to put the magnets in the back because they needed to keep it thin, they say. However, 7 too ready, babe.

• 54:10David Imel?

  Yep.

• 54:11David Imel?

  Uh, which if you remember means that.

• 54:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I hate this so much.

• 54:13David Imel?

  There will be magnetic cases that allow for 7 too compatibility.

• 54:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Or you just need to put a sticker on the back, like a pleb.

• 54:21David Imel?

  Yeah, like a pleb.

• 54:22David Imel?

  Just like the OnePlus. Just like every other phone.

• 54:24David Imel?

  Yeah, just like every other phone.

• 54:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:26David Imel?

  So, um, there are a few kind of interesting updates to the software, uh, on the Ultra and I think on this one as well. There's that Gemini Automated Tasks thing that they introduced last year where Gemini can basically just like order DoorDash for you and stuff like that. And on the Pixel, when they were having it on the Pixel last year, you can just see it tapping all the buttons for you. On this one, it will do that, but it'll do it in a small window. So you can see it happening, but you can do other stuff while it's doing that.

• 54:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:56David Imel?

  Which is nice, I suppose.

• 54:57David Imel?

  Very strange.

• 54:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Picture in picture.

• 54:59David Imel?

  Picture in picture.

• 54:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Automation.

• 55:00David Imel?

  Yeah. Um, there's also a new Now Nudge feature on the Flip where if you don't know Now Nudge was, which I don't blame.

• 55:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's on all of them.

• 55:10David Imel?

  Product names. It's on all of them, but the Flip is the one where it's like the most prominent. Uh, it's this little pill that'll like kind of come in when it thinks that you can do something interesting. So for example, on these phones, when someone texts you and say, it says, and you have it open, someone texts you and say, what's your calendar like next week? What does your calendar look like next week? A little thing will like float in from the side and if you tap it, it'll open your calendar and split screen. So you just like quickly see, and I think that's kind of cool.

• 55:38Andrew Manganelli?

  It's magic queue, but outside and not only in messages, right?

• 55:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Like it's a little more inside the software.

• 55:46David Imel?

  Yeah. Uh, and on the Flip, they now have these like generative UI Now Nudge cards, which is interesting. For Now Brief and stuff like that, where you can say to it like, I want to know what the pollen levels are like every morning. And then it'll create, it'll like generate a UI for a little card that every morning will tell you what the pollen levels are going to be like. How well this works, I don't know. It seemed like it was pretty on the rails. They only had like three categories for it. They had weather, videos, which I think is just like YouTube video updates.

• 56:19David Imel?

  Nice.

• 56:20David Imel?

  And what was the last one? Like cow? Oh, health, health. So I'm assuming it'll like, you can say, tell me what my average heart rate was every morning or something like that, or how do I sleep, something like that.

• 56:31Andrew Manganelli?

  You need one that's like, tell me if it's going to rain for only more than two hours today.

• 56:36David Imel?

  Right.

• 56:37Andrew Manganelli?

  And in the future, not in.

• 56:39David Imel?

  Honestly, may try that on the Flip. May try that on the Flip just to see if it works. Um, yeah, Google famously likes to announce things at Samsung events and they liked, they announced quite a few things at this event too.

• 56:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I feel like we see Rick Osterloh at events for other companies more than Google companies.

• 56:57David Imel?

  For sure. I mean, at the Pixel event last year, they did all of the AI testing on an S25 Ultra or whatever, right? So, because it wasn't working on the Pixel, which is very ironic. Um.

• 57:10Andrew Manganelli?

  We did have one other really big announcement.

• 57:14David Imel?

  What is that?

• 57:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Samsung Galaxy card.

• 57:16David Imel?

  Oh yeah, we got to talk about that.

• 57:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't really need to talk about it, but it's there.

• 57:21David Imel?

  Do we need to talk about it?

• 57:22David Imel?

  We don't need to talk about it.

• 57:22David Imel?

  They made a credit card.

• 57:23Andrew Manganelli?

  They made a credit card.

• 57:24David Imel?

  Just like the Apple card.

• 57:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Seems like slightly better cash, cash rewards, couple extra percent.

• 57:30David Imel?

  That.

• 57:31Andrew Manganelli?

  It has stablecoin now.

• 57:33David Imel?

  Oh. Yeah, it's your, it's your wallet for all the things.

• 57:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I am wondering, it does say 5% cash rewards on eligible purchases made directly with Samsung. But if you really Samsung your life, think about how much more there is than Apple, like refrigerator, washer, dryer. Like Samsung can make your whole house essentially.

• 57:51David Imel?

  For sure.

• 57:51Andrew Manganelli?

  And if you get 5% cash back on all of that, probably can't, but.

• 57:56David Imel?

  If you're building or buying a house and you plan on buying all Samsung appliances, then I guess you could get the card.

• 58:03David Imel?

  Get yourself a Galaxy card.

• 58:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't think about that. That's actually a good point.

• 58:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:07Andrew Manganelli?

  It also, I think.

• 58:08David Imel?

  If you're building a studio.

• 58:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I think one of the main things here is it's 3% cash rewards on purchases made on Samsung Wallet. So I think it, it might be a way to be like, we want people using Samsung Wallet even more.

• 58:21David Imel?

  Cause that's like 1% better than most cards. Anyway, we're not a, we're not a finance podcast. This is not financial advice. The last thing we have to talk about specifically that we didn't really see coming because they didn't show this at our briefings, is that of course they used Samsung Unpacked as an opportunity to actually show off the Gemini glasses with Gentle Monster and Warby Parker. They do actually look pretty good, I will have to say.

• 58:50Andrew Manganelli?

  And by show off, you mean they showed them and then turned off the screen before showing any actual specs or information about them?

• 58:55David Imel?

  Once again, I feel like they announced these like three years ago and they announced this integration or this partnership with Warby Parker and Gentle Monster. And then they just like, won't let you see how they work or anything about them.

• 59:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Something that had Ellis and I kind of like curious, but they didn't say anything about it, which is that it looked like there's a switch on the glasses.

• 59:15David Imel?

  Yeah, there's a little switch.

• 59:16Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be useful to like, it like turn off the camera or turn on.

• 59:20David Imel?

  It's probably just to turn the glasses on and off, but if it's to, if it's literally a camera power switch, that would be amazing.

• 59:27Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be awesome. Or a physical slide. Like that would solve the majority of the issues of like allowing these into places if they're your regular glasses is, I have to see you turn the physical slide on.

• 59:38David Imel?

  Ellis and I looked at each other like, huh, a switch you say? Yeah. So they showed them off at the event to reporters that were there, but they wouldn't let them put them on, which is a giant red flag.

• 59:50David Imel?

  Huge rippling in the wind, massive red flag.

• 59:53David Imel?

  And by the way, these don't have a screen, so they couldn't even put them on. Like they, they didn't even say like, you can't turn them on. They said, you can't put them on your face, which is crazy. So I don't know.

• 1:00:05David Imel?

  It's a wearable, but just don't wear it.

• 1:00:07David Imel?

  Right. They said, we'll know more in the fall, but I feel like we've been waiting over and over and over again for actual details about these, but here we are.

• 1:00:16David Imel?

  They're competing for the most re-announced product in, in history.

• 1:00:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20David Imel?

  With the Tesla Roadster and Apple Intelligence.

• 1:00:23David Imel?

  That's true.

• 1:00:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't, did, how, did we see the Google Meet thing before? I feel like that was.

• 1:00:28David Imel?

  So I thought, I thought that was at I O. When they got on stage and they like, they had a lot, like Yanis was, they did some demo on I O where they went on stage and the camera's on and I think it was a meeting. But if not, then maybe it's a new thing where like you can be in a Google, yeah, like you can be in a Google meeting with your glasses and just your glasses. So your phone's in your pocket, it's joined and they see what you see.

• 1:00:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh. Yeah, I'm I.

• 1:00:53Speaker 05

  I misinterpreted that.

• 1:00:54Andrew Manganelli?

  You seemed really pumped by it and it kept being like, why?

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  I know, I wasn't pumped by it, but it just seemed like the only new thing. But I interpreted it as you have a meeting up on your computer and you can toggle the glasses as a webcam.

• 1:01:07Andrew Manganelli?

  You probably could do it on either.

• 1:01:10David Imel?

  Yeah, you probably do that.

• 1:01:11Andrew Manganelli?

  For me, like in a in a meet, I almost never, I would always want it facing my face, I feel like.

• 1:01:18David Imel?

  Usually.

• 1:01:18Andrew Manganelli?

  But I guess.

• 1:01:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess I was thinking of it as phone, like I'd rather just switch the camera around on my phone than.

• 1:01:24Speaker 05

  You don't think they're preparing?

• 1:01:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Hey, David, check this out.

• 1:01:29Andrew Manganelli?

  How'd that look?

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  You don't think they're preparing for the future when AI tokens are too expensive like? I feel like when these smart glasses first happening, the AI glasses, the the demo we'd always get is like, oh, my wife needs me to get me a, I need to get a zucchini for her. I don't know what zucchini is. Now you can just Google meet your wife directly and be like, is this a zucchini?

• 1:01:49David Imel?

  Damn, that's good.

• 1:01:50David Imel?

  Instead of having Gemini, just looking at it and saying, what is this? Is this a zucchini?

• 1:01:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Take that one step further when Claire's just in the living room and I'm in the pantry. I'm like, I swore we had those chick fees and she's like, she's like, they're right there. You're looking at them.

• 1:02:06David Imel?

  Looking directly at it. Look up.

• 1:02:07Speaker 05

  The good people at Samsung have re-engineered being useless back to first principles. And it's, you know, I think it's just great.

• 1:02:14David Imel?

  Yeah. So the pricing on pretty much all these are like a hundred dollars more than they were last year. Which considering, on the phone, sorry, which considering, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be too friendly, but considering Ramageddon, I was expect and and them like renaming it to the Ultra. I was expecting it to be like at least 150 or 200 more expensive. You do still get the same storage and to be honest, for an Ultra phone, foldable costing 2100 bucks, 256 is not a lot of storage and that kind of sucks. But, uh, you know, I did expect it to be worse. That's all I have to say.

• 1:02:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I wonder if they can get that much worse when you're already at such a high price point.

• 1:02:58David Imel?

  I mean, they could.

• 1:02:59Andrew Manganelli?

  You're not wrong.

• 1:03:00David Imel?

  It can always get worse.

• 1:03:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It can always get worse.

• 1:03:02David Imel?

  Apples will probably be 2600 is my guess. It'll start at 512 gigs of storage. That's my guess.

• 1:03:08David Imel?

  I was gonna say, my, my two thoughts that I keep having on this, uh, small fold, the Fold8. Uh, one is it does feel like this is for a more casual user, like the, they kept talking about the, the full, the Fold8 Ultra as like the productivity phone. Like this is two phones next to each other, basically, when you open it up and like have two apps side by side, do all this productivity stuff. It's got the most battery, triple cameras, all this stuff. Okay, great. This phone is a little more casual than that. It's still more of a phone than a regular phone, but it's a little more media, a little more like looking at your photos, photo editing if you want. A little bit less of like the multitasking productivity stuff.

• 1:03:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It was weird how they positioned it. I think they said something like, it's the size for the everyday person. And I was like, you just did the 2100 and that's not, I guess.

• 1:04:01David Imel?

  Yeah, I guess the, I'm thinking of the Fold8 Ultra as like the power user enthusiast. I'm gonna spend $2,000 on this phone and like use the crap out of it and like multitask, email, all this stuff on my phone.

• 1:04:14Speaker 05

  Don't they have the same chips?

• 1:04:15David Imel?

  They do, but this is way less screen, not way less, but this is less screen.

• 1:04:19Speaker 05

  Okay, wait, I have a question.

• 1:04:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 05

  Does this one have APV recording?

• 1:04:24David Imel?

  Let me check.

• 1:04:24David Imel?

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  It does, in the camera.

• 1:04:26David Imel?

  Yeah, it's a different camera.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  So it's literally just smaller.

• 1:04:29David Imel?

  Yeah, with one less camera.

• 1:04:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32David Imel?

  Again, the telephoto camera makes something ultra, apparently.

• 1:04:36Andrew Manganelli?

  It is, we basically got confirmation that the three cameras confirms Ultra now because they called it the Ultra camera. Because it was three cameras.

• 1:04:46David Imel?

  Yeah, okay, I have a hot take too. I have a hot take.

• 1:04:49David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:04:50David Imel?

  They position this as like being the media consumption device, whereas the Ultra, they were like the work device, you know, the productivity device.

• 1:04:56David Imel?

  Right.

• 1:04:57David Imel?

  Nobody is doing productivity on their phone.

• 1:04:59David Imel?

  I kind of did.

• 1:05:00David Imel?

  With two screen, what, do you, okay, how often do you use the split screen?

• 1:05:05Andrew Manganelli?

  On the big fold?

• 1:05:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean, back when I was building it, I would have like one use case that I would do, which was I would have email and notes next to each other, or email and tasks next to each other, and I would.

• 1:05:18David Imel?

  Wasn't it hard to type on the email if you had to be on like half of the?

• 1:05:22David Imel?

  Well, I'm going back and forth, but yeah, it is usually annoying. It's, it's still kind of a small screen to be doing all this.

• 1:05:28David Imel?

  I think ultimately, most people do mostly consumption and like you said, Andrew, like email is not, I don't know, email is like neither productivity nor, it is technically productivity, but it's like, it's email.

• 1:05:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Necessity, yeah.

• 1:05:43David Imel?

  It's email. It's just email.

• 1:05:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I would almost argue, I think productivity in split screen would work better in this squat wider version. Cause first of all, it's 16 by 10, right? Isn't that the aspect ratio of almost every laptop like in existence?

• 1:05:58David Imel?

  Close, yeah.

• 1:05:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, no, when it's open.

• 1:06:00David Imel?

  Four by three when it's.

• 1:06:00David Imel?

  Four by three when it's.

• 1:06:01David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:06:02David Imel?

  16 by 10 when it's closed.

• 1:06:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm an idiot then. Cool. Uh, but most of the time I'd rather have width on separate windows than height.

• 1:06:09David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:06:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Height doesn't give me a lot of extra information on the thing I'm doing right then unless, I'm sure there's coders out there, but I don't think anyone's coding on.

• 1:06:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, so. Does it have decks?

• 1:06:20David Imel?

  I haven't tried. I will try for you though. I will try. So yeah, anyway, $1,900 for a more casual fold is an interesting spot to land. That's the first thought I had. The other thought I have had, and I mentioned this in the hands-on video, is like, we're expecting the folding iPhone later this year. That's no question gonna be more expensive, that we're, we're all thinking mid-twos, like 2,400, 2,600.

• 1:06:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44David Imel?

  And I think it's gonna be even shorter and even wider. So like more squat and then you open it and it becomes like 16 by nine. I think that's what we've seen in these, uh, these like clay models and stuff like that.

• 1:06:58Speaker 05

  Wasn't the whole leak that this one, the reason Samsung did this one was because it's like the same screen, basically?

• 1:07:04David Imel?

  It doesn't seem like it is. I mean, they're definitely mimicking the passport thing again because we're going back to that. And, you know, maybe this is a better time for that, like the tech is better for the passport thing. This is now, we have silicon carbon, that the phones are thinner, they're more dailyable at this size. So instead of having crappy batteries, it's like, yeah, the passport thing actually works again. But I, I do think the Apple one is a little bit of a different shape again than this one.

• 1:07:28David Imel?

  Mac rumors.

• 1:07:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Come from the Surface Duo.

• 1:07:30David Imel?

  Mac rumors is saying it's 5.5 on the outside and 7.8 on the inside, which is the same.

• 1:07:35David Imel?

  7.8 though, because it's a different ratio.

• 1:07:36David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:07:37David Imel?

  So I think it's like, it's 5.5, but it's even more like short on the outside screen. And then when you open it, it's wider than 4 by 3.

• 1:07:47David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 1:07:47Speaker 05

  I believe. That would be funny though, because that, outside of that, didn't you say it's 16 by 10, or is the inside 16 by 10?

• 1:07:53David Imel?

  The outside is 16 by 10.

• 1:07:55David Imel?

  The inside is 4 by 3.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  Well, 16 by 10 is the exact aspect ratio of the Mac Pro.

• 1:07:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Speaker 05

  So Samsung's doing the Apple ratio and Apple's doing the, the who knows ratio.

• 1:08:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I pitch an intro for the review of this?

• 1:08:08David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:08:09Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, you dress up like Goldilocks. And you get in the room and you go, oh, this is such a nice phone. And you pick up the Ultra and you're like, but it's just too big.

• 1:08:20David Imel?

  Only if we put you in a bear costume.

• 1:08:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I may have just read Goldilocks Elaine last night, but it's fresh on the mind.

• 1:08:27Speaker 05

  What? We couldn't tell?

• 1:08:28David Imel?

  Well, you keep going, how does it rest?

• 1:08:29Andrew Manganelli?

  And then you come over and you're like, oh, and you put it down and you get to the flip and you're like, oh, this is so nice, but it's just too small. And then you come over and then you open the eight and you're like, this is weirdly named, but it's just right.

• 1:08:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Speaker 05

  For the actual intro, we're gonna act all that out, but we're gonna replace the dialogue with that.

• 1:08:48Andrew Manganelli?

  And then three bears just come in and eat the.

• 1:08:50David Imel?

  Where's the porridge come into this? I feel like there's gotta be.

• 1:08:53Andrew Manganelli?

  He could start with porridge if you, he just says porridge dribbling down his shirt.

• 1:08:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Looking at the phones.

• 1:08:58David Imel?

  Okay. Well, that's pretty much it.

• 1:09:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Banger intro.

• 1:09:02David Imel?

  Banger intro.

• 1:09:03David Imel?

  That's pretty much it. I'm glad we can charge them at 45 watts. Pretty cool.

• 1:09:07David Imel?

  I'm a dailyist thing, man.

• 1:09:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the, the new one's sweet.

• 1:09:12David Imel?

  Yeah, the eight is sweet.

• 1:09:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I kind of want the eight, the Fold8, like I just want a phone that's that aspect ratio of not folding.

• 1:09:21David Imel?

  At the briefing when I was using it, what I was really thinking about a lot is like, this doesn't really feel like a phone. It feels like a gadget.

• 1:09:28David Imel?

  I did bring up the Surface Duo and I was hoping that would go well, and I think it did.

• 1:09:32David Imel?

  We don't invoke that name.

• 1:09:33David Imel?

  I know, I know, I know. But hear me out, the good parts of the Surface Duo, remember the dual embargo? Where it was like, all right, you guys can talk about.

• 1:09:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it was triple embargo.

• 1:09:40David Imel?

  Body.

• 1:09:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Not to interrupt, but I think it was triple embargo.

• 1:09:43David Imel?

  The first embargo was like, you can talk about the hardware. Just do not turn it on, do not show any of the software, do not review it.

• 1:09:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48David Imel?

  And this, so the first one comes out, we all of course want to be in the first wave to be like, hey, I have the device, I'm starting to test it. I'm allowed to talk about the hardware. And the hardware is nice. It's like nice to hold, it's really thin, the 360 hinge, like it's just kind of a cool shape.

• 1:10:02David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:02David Imel?

  It doesn't even feel like a phone, it's just a nice gadget that I want to use.

• 1:10:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06David Imel?

  Anyway, stay tuned for the next video. And then the next video would be like, all right, the software is time and it's, it's bad.

• 1:10:13David Imel?

  The digitizer didn't work.

• 1:10:14David Imel?

  But again, it was years ago, the battery tech wasn't good, it was too thin, the bezels were huge. Like there are so many other things that were bad about it.

• 1:10:22David Imel?

  Software was bad.

• 1:10:22David Imel?

  Maybe we've gotten to the point where the tech is good enough that this is like, this is a thing we can try again.

• 1:10:28David Imel?

  Yeah, so I don't, yeah, I mean, I'm just super down for, for the gadgetiness of it. Cause it doesn't really feel like you're using a phone, like it's so wide even vertically.

• 1:10:39David Imel?

  It does rock.

• 1:10:40David Imel?

  It does rock in multiple ways. But it's so wide vertically that like, even when you're reading a website, it's way more enjoyable to read a website on the front screen than it is on a normal phone. Like the internet is just more formatted for a wider screen and.

• 1:10:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Is why you like Arc?

• 1:10:59David Imel?

  Yes, just, yeah, exactly. So, um, yeah, I don't know. Exactly, right? Isn't that nice?

• 1:11:05David Imel?

  I can reach.

• 1:11:06David Imel?

  It almost feels like a tablet. It's like so nice.

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  You know what was the moment that made me really want it?

• 1:11:11Andrew Manganelli?

  When it was announced?

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  The size they announced it. They turned it sideways in the Kindle app and it just turned into an e-reader. And I was like, oh, that's kind of fire.

• 1:11:18David Imel?

  Actually, in the briefing, um, they mentioned that in, when you have it open and you have it in the, uh, vertical orientation, it's the, it's the orientation of an e-reader is what they said specifically. Three by four, which I don't know e-readers that are three by four, but I guess some are.

• 1:11:35David Imel?

  But it's, it's nice.

• 1:11:36David Imel?

  They're all different.

• 1:11:37David Imel?

  That's nice.

• 1:11:38David Imel?

  Isn't that nice?

• 1:11:39David Imel?

  This is nice.

• 1:11:41David Imel?

  Anyway, stay tuned for the full review. It is no doubt in the works because I'm gonna throw my SIM card in this and we'll see how it goes.

• 1:11:46David Imel?

  Yep.

• 1:11:47David Imel?

  But, uh, yeah, what else should we talk about?

• 1:11:49David Imel?

  Um, we can talk about trivia questions.

• 1:11:52David Imel?

  Let's talk about trivia.

• 1:11:53David Imel?

  And then we got some more stuff after the break.

• 1:11:55Speaker 06

  Trivia, dude, score zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. So there we go. Uh, while showing off one UI nine on the new flip, they swiped down at one point to reveal media controls.

• 1:12:08David Imel?

  I was barely paying attention.

• 1:12:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know. See, you weren't paying attention. What song was playing when they swiped down?

• 1:12:14David Imel?

  I don't know, man.

• 1:12:15Speaker 06

  You don't know?

• 1:12:16David Imel?

  It must have been a song I don't know. Cause if it's ever a song that I do know, I think I would like remember that.

• 1:12:22Speaker 06

  Oh, you know this.

• 1:12:22David Imel?

  It would register. I do know the song.

• 1:12:24Speaker 06

  You do know the song.

• 1:12:24David Imel?

  Oh, that's too.

• 1:12:25Speaker 06

  I wouldn't pick some random like K-pop song you wouldn't know.

• 1:12:27David Imel?

  Is one of the new songs on the new Streetlight Manifesto.

• 1:12:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's definitely.

• 1:12:30David Imel?

  That would be the craziest.

• 1:12:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I was saying LeBron was gonna announce to Philly during the event.

• 1:12:37David Imel?

  Oh, man, I did not know this.

• 1:12:39Speaker 06

  Just saying.

• 1:12:39David Imel?

  I was paying attention to.

• 1:12:41Speaker 05

  Not for points. You know what E-reader does? Have a three by four ratio screen.

• 1:12:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Minimal. No.

• 1:12:46David Imel?

  Don't say the lights on.

• 1:12:47Speaker 05

  The minimal phone.

• 1:12:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Minimal phone.

• 1:12:48David Imel?

  It's not an E-reader.

• 1:12:50Speaker 05

  I read on it.

• 1:12:52David Imel?

  I read.

• 1:12:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm reading off my laptop right now.

• 1:12:54Speaker 05

  It's electronic and it's, okay, hold on, let's not get into this here.

• 1:12:57David Imel?

  All right. Well, we'll have the answers for you. We'll be right back.

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• 1:14:30David Imel?

  All right, welcome back. Uh, this is off the top of the dome, but I wanted to try to think of a way to explain something I saw on my feed in tech terms. It's an athletic feat. It's the new mile world record. I don't know if you guys saw this in London, I think about a week ago.

• 1:14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  About a week ago.

• 1:14:47David Imel?

  Um, so I want to get the time right.

• 1:14:49David Imel?

  Three minutes, forty-two point six, six seconds.

• 1:14:51David Imel?

  Oh, you Googled it already. Okay. So Josh Kerr ran the mile in three minutes, forty-two point six, six seconds.

• 1:14:57David Imel?

  According to AI.

• 1:14:58David Imel?

  And that is correct. Uh, that's a tenth off of the, the previous mile world record, which was set in nineteen ninety-nine.

• 1:15:06Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:15:07David Imel?

  By Hikamel Garouche from Morocco. Um, that, by the way, is one of the greatest races ever run. Both first place and second place, both went under the previous world record mile.

• 1:15:17David Imel?

  Dang.

• 1:15:18David Imel?

  And then this guy, Josh, goes out and he's been like saying he's going to break the world record for like weeks and weeks. And he finally gets to it. He gets on that stage. The crowd's on their feet the whole time. And he goes out with these pace setters and he runs essentially like a sixteenth, a thirteen and a half second hundred meter dash, sixteen times in a row. It's, it's, there's no way to like contextualize how fast this mile is, other than to just go try to do it yourself and realize it's ridiculous. It's crazy. Um, anyway, he breaks the world record for the mile and I'm trying to think of a way to explain it in tech terms. Breaking a twenty-six-year-old world record and saying you were gonna do it.

• 1:15:59Andrew Manganelli?

  You guys both nodded.

• 1:16:00David Imel?

  I don't know. I just knew.

• 1:16:01David Imel?

  We had the same idea. All right, you go ahead. You go ahead.

• 1:16:04David Imel?

  It was like, it was like when Fable disproved the, um, conjecture two days ago.

• 1:16:11Speaker 06

  The Jacobian conjecture.

• 1:16:13David Imel?

  What is this? I don't know what that is.

• 1:16:15David Imel?

  This is like a math, uh, problem from like nineteen twenties. And, uh, some, some dude just like worked with Fable and.

• 1:16:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Nineteen thirty-nine.

• 1:16:24David Imel?

  Nineteen thirty-nine. Some dude like worked with Fable and figured out a counter example of the Jacobian conjecture. Has to do with wrapping planes in 3D space.

• 1:16:36David Imel?

  It's way too smart for me to understand.

• 1:16:38David Imel?

  I literally, this is so funny because I was like, I was watching this all happen on Twitter. I'm, I promise we'll get back to running. I was watching this all go down on Twitter and every single person was like, @Grock, can you please explain this to me simply? And it was not simple. And then someone would be like, like I'm a five-year-old and it was not simple. And I was just like, I'm never gonna understand this. Anyway.

• 1:17:02David Imel?

  Math.

• 1:17:02David Imel?

  Is that what you were thinking of too, Adam?

• 1:17:04Speaker 06

  That's really funny. I was thinking the exact same thing because it's been something that hasn't been, what, disproven or proven for like, since nineteen thirty-nine?

• 1:17:10David Imel?

  They found a counter example. So basically it's, the, the conjecture is false. And therefore a lot of things about math are now different.

• 1:17:19David Imel?

  Isn't that theoretically what AI was at least like five years ago when I was first learning about it was supposed to be doing?

• 1:17:25David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:17:25David Imel?

  It's supposed to be like finding things humans couldn't find.

• 1:17:28Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, no. Animated gerbils in the middle of an unpacked event.

• 1:17:33David Imel?

  Depressed. I was like, I was learning about both quantum computers and AI at the same time, but it was like, oh yeah, we'll be able to pattern recognition. We'll be able to identify diseases in like X-rays that human doctors couldn't find. It was all this promising stuff. And this, this sounds like kind of up that alley.

• 1:17:49David Imel?

  I'm guaranteeing you that OpenAI and Anthropic are jumping for joy right now because they've been telling people that AI is gonna be able to do this for, this has been like the basis of all their funding.

• 1:18:01David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01David Imel?

  And now, um.

• 1:18:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I, and replacing people's jobs.

• 1:18:04Speaker 06

  Find digital god.

• 1:18:05David Imel?

  Oh, well, that's Anthropic.

• 1:18:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I ask a stupid question?

• 1:18:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Did they just type in?

• 1:18:12David Imel?

  No.

• 1:18:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you solve this?

• 1:18:14David Imel?

  No.

• 1:18:14Andrew Manganelli?

  And it was the.

• 1:18:15David Imel?

  Okay, not a stupid question because they didn't, but, um, in response to this, some dude on Twitter was like, hmm, I wonder if I can find something. And I, he just said like, disprove a random conjecture and it did disprove one that no one had disproved before. But apparently in this period of time, there were just hundreds of conjectures being made that like the list is so long that nobody has wanted to do it. Cause it's like a track, it's like just pointless. Um, and so it found a random one and it did solve a problem. But it wasn't an important problem.

• 1:18:48Speaker 06

  Like breaking a sub-four minute marathon.

• 1:18:51David Imel?

  Right.

• 1:18:51Speaker 06

  Or a mile.

• 1:18:52David Imel?

  Back to that. Back to that.

• 1:18:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54David Imel?

  So how'd he do it?

• 1:18:56David Imel?

  I mean, the training, the shoes, the modern medicine, the, the.

• 1:19:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa, whoa, hold on. You could just throw modern medicine. That would not be assuming.

• 1:19:05David Imel?

  When you break a world record, so like the original, like theoretical human limit for the mile was like breaking a four-minute mile. Like that, that was the Roger Bannister famous like, oh my God, he did it. He ran under four minutes. Once he ran under four minutes, then humans were like, oh, we can do under four minutes. And then the world record continually got lower and lower. Three minutes and fifty seconds, three minutes and now forty-six seconds.

• 1:19:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27David Imel?

  So the fact that Hikamel Garouche broke this world record in nineteen ninety-nine, there's been a ton of advancements in sports since then. The shoes, the training, the medicine, the recovery, the everything. And it still took twenty-six, twenty-seven more years of that for someone to break his record.

• 1:19:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:48David Imel?

  Which makes it seem like it was pretty sick when it happened.

• 1:19:50Speaker 06

  Can I ask a question that we may or may not keep in the pod because you might not know?

• 1:19:55David Imel?

  Sure.

• 1:19:55Speaker 06

  Do you know if there were people running in front of him, like as a vanguard to break the air?

• 1:20:00David Imel?

  For which?

• 1:20:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought he said for the new one.

• 1:20:02Speaker 06

  For the new one? Or was he just like?

• 1:20:03David Imel?

  Yeah. So it's outdoor track. It's a famously fast track. The first lap, he has two pace setters. The next lap, he has one pace setter and then he runs the last lap and a half alone in the lead. And it's not so much breaking the air, but it's like this track has lights alongside the bottom of the track to identify exactly where you have to be, at what speed, where you need to be to break the world record. So the, the old world records in the nineties was just like, this guy ran as fast as he could. And he passed the line and then discovered that it was a world record where these guys are like, all right, this is the record I'm gonna break and I'm gonna train to do exactly that. And I'll run exactly this pace. I'm gonna have pace setters who are setting it up for me to follow them. And then they're gonna leave and then I'm gonna run the last lap and a half as hard as I can.

• 1:20:46Speaker 06

  Where is that track?

• 1:20:48David Imel?

  London.

• 1:20:49Speaker 06

  That sounds sick.

• 1:20:50David Imel?

  It sounds, yeah. Well, there's lots of tracks now that have these lights.

• 1:20:52Speaker 06

  Oh, really? Let's go to one. I want to do that.

• 1:20:54David Imel?

  It's pretty cool. And to try to keep up with the lights is probably very hard. Yeah. So anyway.

• 1:20:58Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be really funny. It would be really funny if we took the entire team spaced us out and saw if collectively we could get anywhere close where we're all only running like.

• 1:21:08David Imel?

  We definitely couldn't.

• 1:21:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Like a hundred yards at a time.

• 1:21:11David Imel?

  Four hundred would be like a sprint for us.

• 1:21:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Be more than it. Yeah.

• 1:21:16David Imel?

  Yeah, a four by four for four people at the studio would still be.

• 1:21:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no, I mean all sixteen of us.

• 1:21:20David Imel?

  Oh, all of us? Maybe if we ran like hundred meter sprints for each of us, because there's sixteen of us.

• 1:21:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Going down, Josh. Sorry. Sorry to break it to you, Josh.

• 1:21:29David Imel?

  That would be.

• 1:21:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Four ACLs ago, I might've been able to help.

• 1:21:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34David Imel?

  That's funny. Anyway, now you know. Tech helped us.

• 1:21:36David Imel?

  Well, there's a couple, uh, tech news stories I wanted to bring up. Uh, one, Peak Design just launched a really cool, what they call field bracket. Uh, it's part L bracket, part like modular cage for your, for your, uh, camera. And, uh, it also hides a tracker tag in the bottom of the cage, which is really cool. So we don't know what an L bracket is, uh, for cameras. It's like a piece of metal that slaps on to the bottom inside of your camera that allows you to put your camera on a tripod, but in a vertical orientation so they can shoot in portrait orientation. Also, there's an attachment called a cheese plate, which is just basically like a bunch of holes that'll slap onto it, which.

• 1:22:17David Imel?

  Love a good cheese plate.

• 1:22:18David Imel?

  Exactly. It allows you to attach like a light or a, or a microphone or like different things like that.

• 1:22:24David Imel?

  Every time I talk about cheese plates to people who are not in the industry.

• 1:22:28Andrew Manganelli?

  They also love cheese plates.

• 1:22:30David Imel?

  Confusion ensues.

• 1:22:31Andrew Manganelli?

  But universally loved by either.

• 1:22:33David Imel?

  We both love cheese plates. For sure. And I started talking about like the things I attach to cheese plates and like, what are you talking about?

• 1:22:38Andrew Manganelli?

  You know how you have beers and cameras?

• 1:22:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Andrew Manganelli?

  You should have cheese plates and cheese plates.

• 1:22:41David Imel?

  Mmm.

• 1:22:44David Imel?

  That's actually smart. That's fire. I'm getting the Instagram today. Okay, the coolest thing about this, because I am famously notoriously clumsy, is that they have a new tracker tag that Peak Design is making that sits flush in the bottom of the cage, which is in the bracket, which is really cool. And it works on both Apple Find My and Google Find Hub. Lasts for about six months. You can replace the, but then you can just replace the battery. It's a basic coin operated battery. And so that's really nice. I just like, I need, I need ways to not lose my cameras because currently on like all of my cameras, I have an air tag just like hanging off of the strap.

• 1:23:23David Imel?

  I have a new petition.

• 1:23:25David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:23:25David Imel?

  I've already petitioned that all cameras have, should have built in storage.

• 1:23:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:30David Imel?

  I think they should all also have GPS ready Find My capabilities.

• 1:23:34David Imel?

  I like that.

• 1:23:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Just built into them.

• 1:23:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:36David Imel?

  Just right on the camera. I agree with that.

• 1:23:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:38David Imel?

  That'd be great. So yeah, they, Peak Design always runs their pre-orders of stuff on Kickstarter. So they have it on Kickstarter. There is a Kickstarter price. The base bracket with the L bracket and the plate is $125. $200 if you want every accessory, which comes with the tracker. It comes with a hand grip. It comes with the cheese plate. It comes with.

• 1:23:58David Imel?

  Amen.

• 1:23:59David Imel?

  That, yeah. So it's pretty cool. They do have it of a very limited number of cameras and it's mostly the, the brand new model of every camera line. So if you have like a last gen model, it might not work, but they do have a form where you can, that you can fill out, where you could ask them if they'll make a certain one. And I'm assuming if they get enough demand for certain cameras.

• 1:24:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I always love those. That's like a, we're listening.

• 1:24:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Andrew Manganelli?

  But you're just throwing this into the void, right?

• 1:24:24David Imel?

  It is funny because it's literally just a type form. And it's like giving a type form to a large company always feels like, are you even looking at these?

• 1:24:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:32David Imel?

  We care.

• 1:24:32Andrew Manganelli?

  We promised we're listening.

• 1:24:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Just go straight into the garbage.

• 1:24:35David Imel?

  I mean, if they could make enough money off of it, because honestly, like especially an accessory like this that is just cut metal, I think probably has a very big margin and they could make a lot of money on it. Other cool thing about it is that the modular aspects of it, where you can like slide in the cheese plate or slide in the hand grip, it just uses a finger tension like thing. So you don't need any tools to, to change out the, the parts of it, which is cool. So just wanted to bring that up. They just announced that yesterday. Last thing, this is more of a depression indicator thing.

• 1:25:11David Imel?

  Apple is reportedly going to launch an Apple upgrade.

• 1:25:15Speaker 05

  Do you mean recession indicator?

• 1:25:17David Imel?

  No, I do not. I mean, a great, a great, a large recession is a great depression. So it depends on how deep in this recession we are.

• 1:25:25David Imel?

  Oh, where deep is.

• 1:25:26Speaker 05

  I think, I think David meant the other kind of depression.

• 1:25:29David Imel?

  Is it depressing or is it? I think usually you say a recession indicator. I think that's what you meant to say.

• 1:25:36David Imel?

  No.

• 1:25:36David Imel?

  You meant.

• 1:25:37David Imel?

  He meant a great depression indicator.

• 1:25:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:25:41David Imel?

  Great depression to Apple boogaloo.

• 1:25:44David Imel?

  The depressioning.

• 1:25:44David Imel?

  So Apple is reportedly going to launch an Apple upgrade leasing program. So just like you can lease a car.

• 1:25:52David Imel?

  Lease?

• 1:25:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Bro.

• 1:25:53David Imel?

  Yep. You are now reportedly going to be able to lease Apple devices. It will work similarly to a car lease.

• 1:26:00David Imel?

  Oh, this is like what carriers are doing, basically.

• 1:26:02David Imel?

  Um, yeah, I guess technically, yes. And Apple has been trying very, very hard to get people to buy phones directly from them and computers.

• 1:26:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. What sucks about this is it only comes with like 20,000 miles, which is crazy.

• 1:26:14David Imel?

  Yeah, true. You have, you have to pay above the mile after that. But it will be available for most new iPhone, Mac, iPad and Apple Watch models. There will be 24 month leases for iPhones, Apple Watches and 36 month leases for iPads and Macs. Please do not lease an iPad. Please don't lease an iPad.

• 1:26:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, wait, I'm confused about this.

• 1:26:36David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:26:36Andrew Manganelli?

  At the end of it, do you own the iPad or do you have to give it back?

• 1:26:39David Imel?

  You, you have to give it back unless you buy it out.

• 1:26:42Andrew Manganelli?

  So if I, wait, okay.

• 1:26:44David Imel?

  So just like a car, you know how with a lot of cars, you can lease a car and then.

• 1:26:49David Imel?

  Lease to own and then pay like the payoff.

• 1:26:51David Imel?

  Lease to own, yeah. You pay the remaining balance. That's the option that Apple will reportedly give you.

• 1:26:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. So I don't have to like rebuy it at the end of me leasing it.

• 1:26:58David Imel?

  No, but it's probably, I don't, we don't know the, the details yet, but it may be more expensive buying it over time.

• 1:27:06David Imel?

  The total amount out of your pocket will be higher than just buying it. But you spread the payments out over a long enough time so as to not pay that lump sum all at once.

• 1:27:15David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:27:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Financing.

• 1:27:17David Imel?

  Financing. Yeah. I think that Apple is probably like, hmm, Klarna is taking all of our finance money. Also, they did just up the prices significantly of like all of their devices. So people might actually need to do this now.

• 1:27:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Also, it is Klarna.

• 1:27:31David Imel?

  Oh, it's through Klarna?

• 1:27:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Gurman says Klarna will be Apple's financial backer for the new program.

• 1:27:36David Imel?

  Financial backer. So Apple's not even taking a risk, basically.

• 1:27:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, I'm not, I'm surprised it took this so long to Klarna an iPhone. If I can Klarna Taco Bell.

• 1:27:46David Imel?

  Dude, you can Klarna a martini.

• 1:27:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48David Imel?

  You can pay off your martini in like 16 cents.

• 1:27:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't like it.

• 1:27:51David Imel?

  Installments.

• 1:27:52David Imel?

  Ridiculous. Don't do that either.

• 1:27:53David Imel?

  Yeah. Budget devices will not be included in this. So you cannot buy the MacBook Neo with it. You can't buy the base iPad or base iPhone or Apple Watch SE. But it will reportedly launch on the 28th, which is in just a few days.

• 1:28:08David Imel?

  This is not a financial advice podcast.

• 1:28:11David Imel?

  But.

• 1:28:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Try to avoid this.

• 1:28:15David Imel?

  Yeah, maybe, maybe try to not.

• 1:28:17David Imel?

  Try not to do that.

• 1:28:18David Imel?

  There are a lot of used devices available on the market. I really, really recommend buying a used phone or a used computer.

• 1:28:27Speaker 05

  There are also, and again, not financial advice, but there's lots of retailers that offer store bought credit, like store credit cards that have zero fees and will let you zero interest finance over two years.

• 1:28:38David Imel?

  But also try not to finance.

• 1:28:39Andrew Manganelli?

  There, you guys are too pessimistic. There's a lot of success stories, like those gaming PCs you could rent. And then all you have to do is become a pro Fortnite player. And then.

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  Fortnite's on the iPad.

• 1:28:54David Imel?

  That's true.

• 1:28:54Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, you're losing money if you don't do this.

• 1:28:57David Imel?

  If you don't lease an iPad.

• 1:28:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Wow. Apple strikes again. They're genius.

• 1:29:04David Imel?

  They always think of a thing.

• 1:29:05David Imel?

  They always think of it.

• 1:29:06Speaker 05

  Who said yeah to this?

• 1:29:08David Imel?

  Apple.

• 1:29:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:11Andrew Manganelli?

  The bank.

• 1:29:12David Imel?

  Yeah. Klarna.

• 1:29:13Speaker 06

  Didn't they already have this with iPhones?

• 1:29:16Speaker 05

  They had a financing thing through the Apple card.

• 1:29:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:19David Imel?

  Yeah, I don't know, man.

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  Want to.

• 1:29:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Why, why have one financing and you can have two financing?

• 1:29:24David Imel?

  They've really gotten into financial services. They have the Apple credit card now and then they have the buy now, pay later and all this other stuff.

• 1:29:31David Imel?

  Yeah. So if this actually, you know, launches on the 28th, we should, okay, is next week the 20? A week from today is the 29th. Ooh, so we might be able to talk about it next week. We'll have more details next week, theoretically, potentially.

• 1:29:48Speaker 05

  I'll finance a Mac Pro, M6 Ultra.

• 1:29:54Andrew Manganelli?

  An Intel Mac Pro.

• 1:29:55Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 1:29:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  And I'll let you know how it goes.

• 1:29:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:58David Imel?

  All right. Cool.

• 1:29:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Are they launching this because the next iPhone?

• 1:30:04David Imel?

  I mean, didn't, Marques, didn't you say that there was an insane Gurman tweet this morning where he said there will be a new and a new and a new and a new?

• 1:30:13David Imel?

  I'll read it if you want.

• 1:30:14David Imel?

  Read it to me.

• 1:30:15David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:30:15David Imel?

  Just like, just like Andrew Reid's Lane.

• 1:30:18David Imel?

  Yeah. As we record on Wednesday, this is the tweet that showed up on my timeline.

• 1:30:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Gurman reports, Marques.

• 1:30:23David Imel?

  Take a good sleep too.

• 1:30:25David Imel?

  News, Apple readies end to end Mac overhaul, including M6 MacBook Pro and new iMacs this year, and several new redesigned MacBook Pros with touch and OLED, and new MacBook Air and MacBook Neo models across the end of this year and next year.

• 1:30:42David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:30:42David Imel?

  So all the Macs.

• 1:30:43David Imel?

  All the Macs.

• 1:30:44David Imel?

  Other than the Mac Studio and Mac Mini.

• 1:30:46David Imel?

  Well, I'm excited for the touchscreen Ultra.

• 1:30:48David Imel?

  Same.

• 1:30:49David Imel?

  Let's take it to trivia. This won't make me depressed. This will make me very happy because now I'll finally do well again in trivia.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  Marques, I have a perfect tech analogy for your miles. Okay? It's just like how this mystery phone company made a passport phone, called the passport, and then no one did it. And now we're back. So who made it?

• 1:31:13David Imel?

  I don't know if I want to remember this.

• 1:31:16Andrew Manganelli?

  What year?

• 1:31:18Speaker 05

  2014.

• 1:31:20David Imel?

  So I'm in college.

• 1:31:21Speaker 05

  A year that I for some reason associate with Jake Hole.

• 1:31:25David Imel?

  So.

• 1:31:27David Imel?

  Or Phil Drive, baby.

• 1:31:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think I associate 2014 with anything.

• 1:31:36Andrew Manganelli?

  What happened in 2014?

• 1:31:38David Imel?

  Ready?

• 1:31:39Speaker 05

  Jake Hole. Double platinum, no features.

• 1:31:42David Imel?

  Oh, that's what it was.

• 1:31:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't.

• 1:31:45David Imel?

  I'm not sure. I thought this was earlier, to be honest.

• 1:31:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Those are grapes, by the way. Have you, never mind.

• 1:31:51David Imel?

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:31:52David Imel?

  All right. I was wrong. I'll just say mine. I wrote HTC.

• 1:31:56Speaker 05

  Is there an HTC passport? Should we Google that just to make sure?

• 1:31:59David Imel?

  No, I'm just, I was just thinking about 2014. So what was happening? I was, I was not thinking about that.

• 1:32:02David Imel?

  HTC was happening.

• 1:32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I think we used to have a red one in the drawer upstairs. A red passport.

• 1:32:08David Imel?

  Passport.

• 1:32:09David Imel?

  BlackBerry passport.

• 1:32:10Speaker 05

  Which is the correct answer.

• 1:32:12David Imel?

  We did.

• 1:32:12David Imel?

  I thought that was a way older device. I don't know why.

• 1:32:15David Imel?

  Yeah, BlackBerry was on Death Store for a long time. They were close.

• 1:32:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:18David Imel?

  Till like late into the 2010s or whatever it was.

• 1:32:21David Imel?

  They made a couple of fun Android phones, like this. Yeah. The one that slid and then you could, you could drag your finger along the keyboard and it worked as a mouse.

• 1:32:30David Imel?

  Is that what it's called? I'm trying to remember the name.

• 1:32:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Priv.

• 1:32:33David Imel?

  Priv.

• 1:32:33David Imel?

  Yeah, Priv.

• 1:32:34David Imel?

  Priv.

• 1:32:35David Imel?

  That's a good poll.

• 1:32:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm a BlackBerry boy apparently.

• 1:32:37David Imel?

  Yeah, what happened? Why do you know all these names?

• 1:32:40Speaker 05

  Speaking of fun phones.

• 1:32:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:42Speaker 05

  The one UI 9 preview on the flip that was just announced today.

• 1:32:48David Imel?

  Purely guessing this one.

• 1:32:49David Imel?

  What song was playing in the media player when they swiped?

• 1:32:52David Imel?

  Oh, in the media.

• 1:32:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Nobody here has, no one here has any idea what it is, right? Can we all request a hint or else just none of us are going to get it?

• 1:33:01David Imel?

  No.

• 1:33:04Speaker 06

  Okay. Okay. Oh my god. The hint is, the hint is, Ellis loves this song. We've spoken about it multiple times on trivia extravaganza of the past. We've spoken about it multiple times, just in conversation. Yeah. Wait, and it's not really a song. There's no words. Are there words? There's, there's. There's words, three words? There's three words.

• 1:33:28Andrew Manganelli?

  This is all framing up for my question to be fit all those stipulations, but be wrong.

• 1:33:34David Imel?

  Yeah, that was a really big hint, but I didn't have enough time to.

• 1:33:36Speaker 06

  Do you guys want another hint? No, no.

• 1:33:39David Imel?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:33:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, if we all get it wrong, then give us one more hint.

• 1:33:42Speaker 06

  Okay, okay, okay. All right, flip them and read. What do we got? Oh my god, Andrew, if we all.

• 1:33:50Speaker 06

  We're all, we're all wrong, so.

• 1:33:52David Imel?

  What'd you guys write? I wrote Friday by Rebecca Black.

• 1:33:54Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:33:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote Hundred Gecs.

• 1:33:56Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:33:57David Imel?

  I wrote All the Pieces by Streetly Manifesto.

• 1:33:59Speaker 06

  No, okay, here's the hints. The artist, you know how there's like the song title, song artist, whatever, artist. Samsung.

• 1:34:08David Imel?

  Oh, what is that song called? What is that song called? What is that song called?

• 1:34:16David Imel?

  I don't know what it's called.

• 1:34:17Speaker 06

  It has a name.

• 1:34:18David Imel?

  I know.

• 1:34:20David Imel?

  Damn it. I don't know.

• 1:34:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I know one of the words in the title, which is gonna be really rough if it's not more than one word.

• 1:34:27David Imel?

  Oh, we have talked about this so many times.

• 1:34:29Speaker 06

  So many times. That even been a trip? It was.

• 1:34:32Andrew Manganelli?

  It's definitely.

• 1:34:33David Imel?

  It was a trivia question a long time ago.

• 1:34:36Speaker 06

  Flip them and read, what do you got?

• 1:34:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:34:41David Imel?

  Is that what it's called?

• 1:34:41Speaker 06

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:34:44David Imel?

  I don't know.

• 1:34:44Speaker 06

  Someone read an answer.

• 1:34:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Mark has to go first.

• 1:34:51David Imel?

  Moonlight Sonata.

• 1:34:53Speaker 06

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:34:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Does it have the word ocean in it?

• 1:34:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:34:56David Imel?

  I wrote Beyond the Galaxy, but that's not it either.

• 1:35:01Speaker 06

  So good. Kind of a banger, honestly.

• 1:35:04David Imel?

  I unfortunately have.

• 1:35:05David Imel?

  The answer?

• 1:35:06Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:35:07David Imel?

  Over the horizon.

• 1:35:08Speaker 06

  Over the horizon.

• 1:35:09Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a really good guess, yeah.

• 1:35:12David Imel?

  Beyond the galaxy, over the horizon.

• 1:35:14Speaker 06

  So good.

• 1:35:15Speaker 05

  That's the, uh, the special Dirty Loops version.

• 1:35:18Speaker 06

  Was that the?

• 1:35:18David Imel?

  It is a bop.

• 1:35:19Speaker 06

  Wait, hold on a second.

• 1:35:20Speaker 05

  Have we, we never played this video for you?

• 1:35:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know.

• 1:35:24Speaker 05

  I don't know how much more I can play.

• 1:35:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Speaker 05

  It's this band from.

• 1:35:27Andrew Manganelli?

  If Samsung can steal Spider-Man, I think we could just play that.

• 1:35:30Speaker 05

  We're hyping them up. There's a Scandinavian band called Dirty Loops and who Samsung hired to like cover the ringtone over the horizon in 2016.

• 1:35:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, but is that a YouTube channel that's posting it? Cause then they could strike our stuff if it's.

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  It's Samsung's.

• 1:35:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it's Samsung's YouTube channel? Hmm.

• 1:35:46Speaker 05

  I say, I say we let it roll.

• 1:35:48Speaker 06

  Let it roll, baby.

• 1:35:49Speaker 05

  And if you can't access this podcast on youtube.com.

• 1:35:54Speaker 06

  You're probably in Russia.

• 1:35:55Speaker 05

  You know who did it.

• 1:35:56David Imel?

  Wait, are we gonna get demonetized for playing it?

• 1:36:00David Imel?

  No, they would love us to share it.

• 1:36:02Speaker 05

  And if, if we do, we'll, we'll mute it.

• 1:36:04David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:36:04Speaker 05

  And then it'll just be a weird silent part and everyone will know why.

• 1:36:07Andrew Manganelli?

  People won't like that.

• 1:36:08Speaker 05

  A certain Korean mega company did not want us using their funky little tune.

• 1:36:13Andrew Manganelli?

  [bleep] LG, man.

• 1:36:17David Imel?

  And on that note, the bop is over.

• 1:36:18Speaker 06

  Let it roll, baby.

• 1:36:20David Imel?

  Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We are back on our regularly scheduled programming. We all have zero points on trivia still, so.

• 1:36:26Speaker 06

  No, no, Andrew and David got it correct the first one. Zero points on trivia.

• 1:36:31David Imel?

  I have zero points.

• 1:36:32Speaker 06

  You're in denial, Marcus.

• 1:36:33David Imel?

  And I'll have to start catching up next week.

• 1:36:35David Imel?

  Marcus depression indicator.

• 1:36:37David Imel?

  See you guys then. Peace.

• 1:36:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, from a spruce by Adam and Elena and Ellis Rovin, we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our trap remix was created by me and Sil. It's the waveform, bros.

• 1:36:56David Imel?

  So it went up by a hundred dollars.

• 1:36:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:58David Imel?

  That's not that bad, considering Ramageddon, you know?

• 1:37:03David Imel?

  All right, we should talk about this on the podcast.

• 1:37:04David Imel?

  Did it start at that?

• 1:37:05Andrew Manganelli?

  The what?

• 1:37:05David Imel?

  The podcast.

• 1:37:06Speaker 06

  What's the, what's the podcast?

• 1:37:07David Imel?

  Oh, wait, look, we're conveniently sitting in front of microphones.

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