SC EP:1148 Running Into Sasquatch

Thomas writes "Hey wes longtime listener I live in cle elum wa I had a sighting in 1976 when I was 9 so if interested get ahold of me 😁." Spoke to the witness and he has agreed to come on the show. He said "My older sister wanted to go have a smoke and she was not allowed to smoke. We hiked through the forest when I came upon this creature and it was squatted down. I heard the growl before I saw it. I am about 8 feet away and the creature went from a crouched position to standing up and it seemed like she went up and up and up. It had a lot of human features but the mouth went from ear to ear. I could not believe how big the mouth was. I staring at it and it is staring at me and my sister grabs me and we take off running. My aunt later told me that "it" lives in her barn, she saw it many times." https://sasquatchchronicles.com/?attachment_id=244922 We will also be speaking to Gil and Gil writes "In 1987 when I was fifteen years old and on my way home one late night or early morning on my moped and one stepped into the road right in front of me and stopped directly in front of me and I almost hit him. I was so close to him I could have touched him. From the first to the last, my latest sighting I saw a family , being a large male and female who was just a foot shorter than the male, and she was carrying a little one, it was less than a mile from my home , they had glowing red eyes and the little one had glowing white eyes. they crossed the road in front of me and then stopped on the side of the road."

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• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out of here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  This is Alicia from Kennesaw, Georgia, and you're listening to the best podcast on the planet, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:10Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Thomas, and Thomas comes to us from Washington State. And back in 1976, Thomas is nine years old. He's out in the forest with his older sister, and they come face to face with one of these creatures. It was actually a female, and I'll let Thomas go into it. And then we'll be chatting with Gil, and Gil comes to us from northern Michigan. And back in 1987, he's 15 years old, he's on his moped, and he

• 2:50Wes Germer?

  almost hits one of these creatures. Thirty-eight years later, he moves back to northern Michigan, and he sees something very strange, and I'll let Thomas go into it. I'm actually gonna grab a clip from episode 716. It was a police officer, Jack, from Virginia, and he saw something very similar to what Gil saw. If you've had an encounter, and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional

• 3:31Wes Germer?

  shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Thomas to the show. Thomas, thanks for being here. Thank you. Yeah, and your encounter took place here in Washington. Take me back to 1976. What were you doing, and what happened?

• 3:51Speaker 05

  Well, we were, uh, we were at a family reunion up at my grandma's house and, and the whole family was there, of course. Uh, and my sister, she was, I think she was six or seven years older than me. And she, she, she was smoking and she didn't want mom to know she was smoking. So she used to take me with her so I wouldn't tell on her, you know, I, I'm part of, you know, make me a part of the problem. We went and walked down the road. My aunt, my grandma lived in a, she had a big farm there and she gave my aunt some property right next door and we were, they're building the cabin. So we were walked down there to take a look at the cabin, to see the progress and, uh, and we, walking down there and Rhonda was smoking away and she's,

• 4:35Speaker 05

  you know, kind of a bigger, bigger girl at the time and, and, uh, you know, so we weren't moving too fast through the brush and she was off to my right as we were walking down there and we could smell, honestly smell like somebody's garbage got tipped over by the dogs, you know? So I was looking to my left to see if I seen their garbage cans tipped over and I heard a growl, a real deep, deep growl. And I turned my head to the front and just about that time I heard my sister say my name and not eight feet away from me there, there she was, um, right in front of me. And I, at the time it scared the heck out of me, but I just stood there. I couldn't move,

• 5:16Speaker 05

  you know? And she was squatted down. I'm not quite sure what she was doing. I think she was trying to observe us, but it was her mouth. Her mouth was huge and she had hair on her face. And at first I thought it was a male until she stood up. It's just unbelievable. She had hair on her face. Her mouth was just, you could put a couple of softballs in her mouth. She had a giant mouth and, uh, you know, uh, her thin lips, her mouth, the edges of her mouth went from one, just about looked like one ear to the other. I didn't get to see her ears, of course, but, and she had a conical head and she was dark, dark brown. At the time, I didn't know what was going on, but my sister was coming up behind me to grab me,

• 5:57Speaker 05

  to take off and, and she stood up when my sister come up behind me, she grabbed me and yanked me out of there and, and we ran, ran home, uh, you know, and got the heck out of there. She, she, at the, now that I think about it, she, uh, the brow, I think, was just to let us know that she was there. I don't think it was to be mean or, you know, so she was gonna eat me or anything, but at the time, I didn't know what to think. It just scared me. And her, it's her size that scared me, her, her just massive this size and, and, and just was able to sit there and just be quiet. I didn't even know she was there. And, uh, my sister grabbed me and the next thing I know, I'm looking at the tops of my feet,

• 6:42Speaker 05

  you know, cause she yanked me back so hard and she jumped the fence and she had me in tow. And she, we ran all the way back to my grandma's house and, uh, told the family about it and they all started laughing at us and giving us a hard time. My dad worked for a warehouse for twenty something years and he was really angry at me for some reason. Probably for saying I've seen one, but it, I never did get to find out before he passed away. I never did get to find out why he was so angry. You know, but, uh, yeah, that was quite deciding. It's not a real long one, but, uh, it was, it was interesting nonetheless. Uh, my sister, my, my aunt has six, or my mom has six sisters.

• 7:23Speaker 05

  And my aunt lived next door to my grandma. And after everything settled down, after everybody got done picking on us, my aunt leaned over, she never did have any kids. She had money, you know, you kind of stayed away from her cause you know, you're just afraid of her, you know, but she leaned over to me and she says, she's living in my backyard in my barn. And, and that about floored me. I about fell over and me and her was the only ones I was able to hear that from, you know, which I found interesting. Uh, she ended up being my favorite aunt after that one, but.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  But uh, yeah, it was uh, it was quite exciting and she, I guess she lived there for maybe two or three years and then she disappeared and nobody's, nobody's seen her after that or my aunt didn't see her after that. But uh, I, I think the only reason she stood up was because my sister was actually running towards me, towards her to grab me and I, I, you, you know what I mean? Or she probably would have just stayed right into where she was at, but I didn't really get a good chance to look at her body just because, you know, my sister was getting me out of there. Um, but I, I, I remember the face, her, her, it was dark, her, her skin was dark, kind of a gray. Kind of like a battleship gray, I guess you could say, and or just the size of her mouth was huge.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  And her eyes were pretty big, her, her eyes were dark, dark colored and uh, she, she kind of looked shocked a- as well, I guess, you, you could think, she just kind of just didn't really give me much of anything. She's just looking at me, you know, and I was looking at her and and that's about all I can remember. Uh, it was, it was uh, crazy and it, it, I ha- I've worked, you know, I grew up joining the military. After I got in the military, I was working up on Winanty, up in Winanty uh, National Forest up on Blue Pass. And I was, remember sitting there on the landing, eating lunch, you know, and, and I could hear tree knocks right off the,

• 9:25Speaker 05

  right off the landing, but I never thought about it like an idiot. I didn't even think about it. The wind was blowing a little bit. I thought, well, maybe a, a limb fell out of a tree, but it just kept going. You know, so I just never put two and two together. I wish I would have now. But I remember going up and taking, we had another Clark skater. I'd go up there and get a, turn the logs and then I'd get this really creepy feeling. The hair would start standing up on the back of my neck and it's like, you need to get out of here. So I'd jump on my skater and get the heck out of there. Just every once in a while you get that feeling, you know?

• 9:54Wes Germer?

  I appreciate you sharing it, Thomas. I know it was kind of a brief sighting, but I'm always curious why they don't attack. You know, if you run up on any other animal on the planet and it starts growling and you're that close, you're in trouble. You know, it makes me wonder, your aunt obviously knew it was there and you said your dad was angry?

• 10:19Speaker 05

  Well, I'm not sure why he was so angry. He worked for a warehouse or at a veil in Yelm for many years and, and I'm not sure why he was so mad. He just kind of, you know, I mean, it didn't last long. Of course, it was a family reunion, but it kind of took me by surprise because my dad was kind of an even keeled, mellow guy and I don't know why he got so, I didn't know if he wanted, he was afraid I'd get teased about it so much or, or, or something. I'm not sure, honestly, Wes. Like, I'm not sure.

• 10:51Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I know we were talking earlier, you didn't get a chance to really have that talk with him before he passed away. Makes me wonder if it was like a warehouse or type thing because during this timeframe, they were pretty hard on their employees when their employees would run into stuff like this. And if your aunt knew about it, I'm sure your dad knew it was there. You know, he was probably thinking, great, you know, his career is on the line because his son saw one. I mean, it could have been that. I really don't know. Later in life, did you ever get a chance to talk with your sister as far as her perspective and what she saw?

• 11:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. She said she seen, apparently she's seen him, seen her before I did. I was just a dumb kid traveling through the woods and I wasn't really paying much attention to where I was going, but she said she's seen something behind a tree and she stopped and I just kept walking so it growled. And she said, that was, you know, that was, that was when she just flipped out and she ran over to grab a hold of me and yank me out of there and get me the heck home, you know? Of course, you know, I, I told my mom when we got back what had happened and my mom, you know, she's five foot and nothing. She walked down there to make, you know, to see what was going on and, you know, and she was gone by then, but, but, uh, I walked back there when I got

• 12:11Speaker 05

  a little bit older. I walked back and there's a, there's a gully. We call it a gully. It's a, you know, where a cricket runs down there and there's, there was water that actually runs right out of the side of the hill right there. Like a, I guess it would be a Artesian well or something, but it ran right out of the side of the, the hill and quite a bit of water. So I wondered if that's why she was back there. She had water and, you know, there was fish and ducks and everything down there in that, that pond. So, you know, good place for her to live, I suppose. But, uh, yeah, it was, it was crazy. And I, you know, every once in a while you'd get a feeling when I was at my grandma's house, she'd be walking around out in the woods and you'd get a feeling like you shouldn't be there. So I'd just turn around and, and beat feet back

• 12:53Speaker 05

  to the house because I used to fish in that pond, but I would stay away from that area. I didn't want to go down there, you know? But yeah, it was, it was quite deciding.

• 13:03Wes Germer?

  I was telling you earlier, I'm, I'm always amazed that they don't attack more people in situations like this where they just come right up on top of them. And even your sister kind of making that motion of moving forward to grab you, you know, I, and they don't, they don't attack. And I mean, 99% of the time they don't attack. And I'm always wondering why, you know, it's like I said earlier, man, you live here in Washington state, you come across and startle a black bear or a cougar, you're in trouble. I mean, they're, they're probably going to attack you.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I don't know why she didn't do anything. And yeah, I've heard some, some people say, yeah, they, they were there, but they never touched me, or they chased me out of the woods, or, you know, I, I don't know. That's, that's a good question. Um, I, I, I don't think I was on the menu that day. I hope I wasn't, but she growled. But now that I think about it, it wasn't a, a, a mean growl. It was, I think it was just to let me know she was there, you know? And I, I know they're not as hard on kids, or maybe they are, but, uh, she just, she stood, she kind of stood up and took a step back when my sister was running up behind me. So I don't know what the heck was going on, but she grabbed me, yanked me out of there.

• 14:19Speaker 05

  I didn't get a chance to find out. I wish I, I could have stayed. I, I probably would have stood there a little longer to see, but you know what wild animals don't really want to linger too long.

• 14:32Wes Germer?

  And I think I might have missed it in the, uh, the beginning, but was this, um, your parents' property, or was it your grandparents' property?

• 14:42Speaker 05

  Uh, my grand, my grandma's, yeah, my grandparent. Um, it was my grandma's property. She owned quite a bit up there and she sold it off through the years and, and, uh, but yeah, she owned quite a bit of that area up there at the time. So there wasn't a whole lot of people up there either. She had a dairy farm for many years. We were one of the first people to have a, a dairy delivery service in, in Cleelam here in the town. So.

• 15:08Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, Cleelam is pretty notorious for sightings even up until this day. Uh, did your grandparents ever talk about it?

• 15:17Speaker 05

  Uh, I never got to meet my grandpa. He, he passed away before I was born, but my grandma, occasionally she would mention, you know, something out in the, out in her barn, or, but she never seemed to be bothered by it. It never, it really phased her. She had chickens and she, now that I'm, I know her chicken coop was like, you know, Fort Knox. It would, you'd have a hard time getting in there. And, uh, I always wondered why she overbuilt it so much. And now I suppose it makes sense, but, but back then it was like, geez grandma, you know.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  Go out and get the eggs and it's like, you know, trying to get into a fort.

• 15:56Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's I was telling Lila on last night's show, she grew up on her grandfather's property. And if you watch how the people act, I mean, they'll in subtle ways, they'll tell you something's going on. Like you mentioned, the chicken coop, you know, your, your dad, even working for a warehouse or he must have known. And growing up on this property, he must have known they were there.

• 16:20Speaker 05

  He had to have, he had to have, and I don't know if he was afraid of it getting out, you know, to people or maybe he was just trying to watch out for me so I wouldn't get ridiculed. I don't know. I honestly don't know. It's just strange.

• 16:33Wes Germer?

  The aunt that was telling you, oh, they live behind my house in the barn. Did you ever have conversations with her about what she had seen?

• 16:42Speaker 05

  Um, her husband was a, a bread man. He delivered bread. So they were up all night and slept during the day and during the holidays, we'd have to wait for them to get up so we can have dinner, you know? And, uh, she said he's been, or well, she called, yeah, he, it was actually she, but she's been living back there for several years and she just let her do her thing. She never bothered her. She'd sit in her kitchen. Our dining room and she had a big picture window there to the backyard and where the barn was, she'd sit it there at night and see it walk by and she wouldn't say a word. And it never bothered her as far as I know. And they just let her live back there and, and, uh,

• 17:24Speaker 05

  so it was, the whole thing is strange, you know, the whole thing was just kind of a strange thing. But, you know, a lot of people around here, it's a matter of fact, you know, they know they exist, you know, they don't have a, an issue. If you don't believe it, it's a you problem, you know?

• 17:42Speaker 05

  So I, I don't, it did affect me. I don't, I don't camp much. I don't go camping. I, I, I quit. I don't hunt much. Um, unless it's from the road, you know, I, I, I don't do that because if I run into a male, you never know what's going to happen, you know, but so I've been kind of, I keep to myself as far as that's concerned. I, I, you know, I don't go camping or if I do, I'll go into a hotel or something, but, but, uh, yeah, I, it's affected me that way, but in any other ways, not really bothered me much.

• 18:17Wes Germer?

  Yeah, well, I could understand how it would affect you. You know, it makes me wonder if, generally speaking, they're never alone, but there is occasions where they are on people's property where there is just one. I wonder if it was just her or if there was more than one at the time.

• 18:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I wondered the same thing. If she had kids or if there's a big male around, but I never got to see them if there was. And every once in a while you'll hear a noise out, you know, you hear or used to, you don't now, but you'd hear a scream or a knock or, and you know, I never put two and two together. I was just a kid. But now, now it's kind of be kind of interesting to listen and hear, you know, but there's so many people moved here now that it's not like it used to be.

• 19:07Wes Germer?

  Well, you know, that part of Washington, I even up until this day, I get a ton of reports that come out of there and around the town. And you did a really good job at explaining what you saw. What do you think that they are?

• 19:23Speaker 05

  I think they're, I think they're an animal. I do.

• 19:27Speaker 05

  I can't say anybody else is wrong, but I just think they're, you know, like a undiscovered primate, something, you know, something we haven't found yet or caught up to. I know they're out here to this day, but I, I don't think they're, they got any special, special gifts, I guess I should say. But you know, there's been a lot of talk about them maybe being, you know, coming down in spaceships and you never know, but I just think they're, they're just another animal, you know, a primate, I should say. I don't think, I think they're smarter than animals. I think they've got more brains.

• 20:04Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I definitely get the way you feel. Can I ask you, kind of going back to when you were a little boy, looking at this saying, was there anything human about the face?

• 20:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, actually, the the face wasn't wasn't animalistic, uh, hooded nose, it was kind of flat and squished. The mouth just kind of blew me away. Um, just a giant mouth. And I remember that one gentleman talking about, he remembers seeing the the pink in the nose. Uh, can't remember his name, but but yeah, I I was able to see the pink with black pigment inside the nose. I was able to see that. But, uh, yeah, I wish I I wish I would have remembered more, you know, features at the time, but I was just, I couldn't even move. I was stuck to where I was at.

• 20:54Wes Germer?

  Looking back now, when she kind of got out in front of you and stood up, how tall do you think she was?

• 21:01Speaker 05

  When she stood up, she looked like she was fifty feet tall, but I think she was probably only seven and a half, eight feet tall is all. And she was kind of skinny, honestly, for her size. She didn't look like she was eating all that great, but it was, you know, it was in, this happened in July, so the the crops were just getting to get going good, you know, it's still

• 21:25Speaker 05

  probably in August, she probably looked pretty, pretty healthy, but she looked like she was a runner, if that makes sense. She had the runner look. A little skinnier, you know, uh, didn't look like she had a whole lot of fat on her.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  But, uh, but I was, you know, I was so scared that I I could have missed a lot. I wasn't very far away. I was only about eight feet away from her. She could have easily just reached out and grabbed me and, you know, pushed me in half. But she didn't. She just kind of, and then what surprised me was my sister was running up, which I didn't know at the time, but she stood up and took a step back. So I don't know. I don't know. It was weird. I don't know what the heck was going through her head, you know? Hey, there's a crazy human running up to to me, you know, I'm I'm amazed my sister was able to run towards it to grab me, to be honest with you.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  I probably would have turned and just ran the heck out of there, but she ran up and made sure she grabbed me. She probably was afraid she was going to get in trouble for mom if she left me standing there.

• 22:28Speaker 05

  It was, uh, it was nuts.

• 22:31Wes Germer?

  I was muted out, but I was busting up when you, uh, you were explaining your sister's, uh, the theory on what your sister did and why she did it. And you may not be far off, man. She may, she probably didn't want to go back and kind of explain what happened to you. Uh, 49 years later, man, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  You bet, Wes. Thank you very much.

• 23:03Wes Germer?

  Next up on the show, I want to welcome Gil. Gil, thanks for coming on.

• 23:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, no problem. Thanks.

• 23:10Wes Germer?

  And I know in your email, you had talked about this weird thing you'd seen recently, but you had this encounter back in 1987. You're 15 in Northern Michigan. If you would just kind of start from the beginning, take me back to 1987. What, what were you doing and what happened?

• 23:31Speaker 06

  So it was, it was the middle of summer. Um, I was 15 and I had a moped and I worked in this town. It was about, it's about 30 miles from where I, from where I was living at. So I, I, I would take my moped back and forth to work. And this time, um, when I, when I left for work that day, it was hot out. So I really, I didn't bring a jacket, which I regret later on that night. But, um, after work, I, I ended up, um, hanging out with some of the, the waitresses and this and that. So it was kind of late when

• 24:12Speaker 06

  I, when I was headed, um, taking off to head home. It was, um, 3:30 when I looked at the clock when I was leaving, when I was leaving, uh, it's Frankfurt is the name of the town where I was working at and, um,

• 24:29Speaker 06

  It's about a half hour trip on the moped. So anyways, I'm on my way home. I leave at three thirty in the morning.

• 24:39Speaker 06

  And I'm coming to this first little, there's a little, little town in between. Where I was living and, and, and where I left from. Little town called Arcadia. It's, it's really, really, really small. It's got. Got like a bar and, and a, a post office and that's it. No, no castation, nothing like that. So anyways, I'm coming into that.

• 25:05Speaker 06

  Town, um, it's cold out and I could feel the dew starting to come in. So it was getting really cold, fucking really cold on me. And, um. So I'm coming around this, this section is all woods. And it's right before a little turnoff, there's a little scenic turnoff. Where you can stand there on the bluff and take pictures of, you know, whatever, Lake Michigan. And I'm coming around this corner. And it's, it was really dark out. There really wasn't much for moonlight that night. Was, um.

• 25:44Speaker 06

  I don't know. I guess I called it a thing back then. This thing took, took two steps from. The left side of the road. One, two steps and stopped right in the middle of the road, right? In front of me and, and I was, it, it happened so fast. And it was so close that I, I, I almost wiped out trying to swerve to. To avoid it, to avoid it, uh, hitting it. And, um. It was, I, I would have to guess probably nine, at least nine feet. Maybe eight, but I'd say it was taller and it was bigger. Um, like about nine feet tall.

• 26:28Speaker 06

  And it was totally covered in. Really long, kinda shaggy, just like shaggy hair and it was, it, it, to, to me, it looked kinda blondish, from, from what the headlight of the moped, um, shining on it for that, that brief second, it stopped right there in front of me, facing me. It, it put its like, um, knuckles, hands, whatever, down on the ground and kinda like, got down in this like, you know, kinda like a, I don't know, football stance kinda looking thing. And then, um, th- this part here, I, I don't know if I'm, I'm thankful for it or not, but

• 27:13Speaker 06

  the hair, it had this really, really long, like, the long shaggy hair, the hair on it's co- totally covered its face. It, it, it looked like if, you know, like some long haired person were to stand there and, you know, kinda had, do the, had, you know, jam, whatever, and, and stop and then all their hair covers their face, you know? That's, that's, that's what it looked like, so I didn't get to see a shot of the face and I'm, I don't know, I some kinda, sometimes I kinda feel like I'm kinda glad it didn't. But, um, yeah, and it was, uh, I, I would have to say blondish, blondish color and there

• 27:58Speaker 06

  was a, a branch sticking out of, caught in the hair on its, on its right side and, cause I, I could see leaves, like twigs that were caught in his hair. I, it, it kinda looked like it was, if it didn't just come out of the water, if, if you see, it kinda, the way it kinda lit up and, and with the light on it, it almost appeared kinda wet, if you know what I mean, like the way it, like, it was a little shiny. Um, and the way the hair grouped together, uh, it's almost like it had like, some of it was like dreadlockish or, or knatted.

• 28:43Speaker 06

  It, it was, it was just feet, um, a couple of feet in front of me, I mean, I could've...

• 28:50Speaker 06

  It could have just reached out and grabbed me. I was right, it was right there. It was right next to me. I mean, I just, I just missed it. When I swerved to go around it, cause it, when it came out and stepped in front of me, it was right there, bam, right in front of me, like within, I'm doing thirty-five miles an hour and it, when it stopped and stepped out, it might have been ten, fifteen feet in front of me and I had like just that split second to just turn or I was gonna hit it. So it all happened like that fast. So I swerved around it and I'm, I'm like

• 29:32Speaker 06

  holding the throttle at the top speed and it's like thirty-five miles an hour. So it's really not all that fast. And, and as I'm back on the road headed straight, um, and it's right at this top of this hill. So there's a really long grade downhill that goes into right in the middle of the town. And, um, so I, I turned around when I straightened myself up and turned around to look back, it, it was, it was gone. And then that kinda scared me even more. And I, cause, cause all I could see was just black. I mean, there was no, you know, moonlight. I couldn't see. There was woods on both sides of me, you know?

• 30:18Speaker 06

  So I, I just high-tailed it. When I got into town, there's just right in the middle of town, there's like a, a four-way road section and, and there's one, one street light in the whole town there. And so I stopped there. And, um, I, I, I, uh, I, I was, I, I stayed there till, till the sun came up and I, not one car drove by me that the rest of the night. I stood there, just freezing, you know, scared to death and, and waiting for the sunlight to come up or something, you know? And, um, eventually the sun came up and lit, lit everything up and off I went home.

• 31:05Wes Germer?

  At the time, what, what did you think you were looking at? I mean, this is 1987.

• 31:11Speaker 06

  I thought, yeah, I thought, I thought I saw a monster and I didn't tell anybody about it. For probably 25, 30 years, I never told anybody because I, I, um, that I, back then I, I never even, I'm Bigfoot wasn't nothing, you know, I really didn't, I really didn't see any TV shows. Like everybody says, you know, they saw this show and that show and well, Bigfoot when they were a kid. I don't, I wasn't into TV and, and all of that. So I really didn't have a clue. It was, it was, I just thought it was a monster.

• 31:57Speaker 06

  After that happened, I never went back that, that way to work at night again. It's, I, I, I remember having to drive, I drove a couple of times to, to go to bypass that section. That was for taking the back way home. To bypass that section added 20 minutes to my trip. And anytime I went home at night after that, but until I got my, you know, turned 16 and got my car, I took that long way.

• 32:31Wes Germer?

  Yeah. Who could blame me, ma'am? I'd be taking a different route as well.

• 32:36Wes Germer?

  You know, you did a pretty good job describing it and I, you know, I know you and I talked about this, but I wonder the same thing you do, Gail, why do they come out and cross right in front of people on these roads? And you hear it time and time again. Before we talk about this incident near your home or what's going on at your home, there was an incident, you were about 22. Tell me about that.

• 33:05Speaker 06

  Um, I was with another guy and we were cutting wood. This is maybe seven years later after the first, after that. So I, I, me and another guy are out cutting firewood. And I guess it's, it's part of like the Nat, Manistee National Forest. And I stopped to, to start loading up the truck. And as I'm throwing wood in, I, I notice over next to this stump is this section of mud. And there's a, looks like a little kid's footprint in it. So I got the other guy's attention and I, and I'm like, and it was so fresh, you know?

• 33:48Speaker 06

  It, it, it was, it was so fresh. It looks like it was just made. I show it to this buddy of mine. I called him over and as we're looking down at it and talking about it, off in the distance, a tree, it sounds like a tree that comes down, falls down through the fir, through the, through the woods, you know? And when it hit, it was, I mean, we felt it in the ground, but we couldn't see it. You know, as we're looking around, I'm like, whoa, what, what the? This is crazy, you know? And, and, um, I was trying to talk into my body. I, I was like, somebody's kid is lost out here in the woods.

• 34:31Speaker 06

  And look, I said, this is a little kid's footprint. I said, there's some little kid is lost out here. I said, we should probably go, you know, go, go call the, you know, the, the police and at least check and see if, make sure no kid is lost out here, you know? And, um, he, he didn't think that it was too keen. He didn't want to do that, you know? So, um, then the tree comes down and I was like, I gotta see this. I said, that tree was huge. I'm just gonna walk around and see if I can see. Cause he, the first thing he says, oh, there goes a widow maker. And I'm like, you know, it's, it's crazy. It's not windy out, you know? We're with it, what, what made this tree go down? I gotta see it.

• 35:15Speaker 06

  So I'm, I start walking towards where the, the noise came from. And so I'm just walking along and I'm looking and looking and I'm, can't find this tree anywhere. And, and I, I just kind of thought it was really weird. And I'm like, well, I'm just gonna go, I see this big. Pine tree, one of the huge ones, it like with like eight, you know, eight foot trunk on it, it's just huge. And so I thought, well, I'm just gonna walk around this, this pine tree here and look on the other side. As I'm walking around this tree,

• 35:51Speaker 06

  something, I, I don't know, I can't explain it, well, um, I, I, I, I just took a glance under the tree, but where all, it was the branches and everything was so thick, you couldn't see through it. And it was all black. It just, it was, it was just all black. All, all I, all I saw was black. But this feeling hit me so hard, something I, I can't explain and, and it is something. And I, I, something told me to run and get out of there and, and, and you're, you're gonna die, you know, or something, something hit me.

• 36:33Speaker 06

  And it happened so fast, it was like, I was like, ah, you know, it happened that fast as I saw the, this, this section of black that, that hit me and I turned around and I took off running. And I made it maybe twenty feet and I, I hit a tree and it knocked me down. And I, and I'm like, and as I'm getting up, I'm thinking, why am I running? What am I running? Why am I running? What am I running from? What's going on? I'm like, what's going, I'm, I'm totally confused and then, and then I'm trying to, and I'm looking around, I could not tell which direction I had to go.

• 37:13Speaker 06

  I was totally lost, I, at that moment, I was in total confusion and I don't know what, I don't know what just happened and I can't explain it and there's this crazy feeling. So, and I couldn't explain why I was scared, you know, and, and, and it's, it's just really frustrating. So I started yelling for my, my buddy so I could, you know, figure out which way to get back over to where, you know, trucks are at where we're cutting wood. So I, I went back over, I finally made it my way back there and, and just, you know, we finished loading up the truck and, and got out of there. And I didn't say anything to him about what just happened because I couldn't explain it.

• 37:57Speaker 06

  And I, I don't know. There's something like that's never had, you know, I've, I've never had that feeling before. But when, but when it hit me, it hit me so hard. I, it, it, you know, it was really crazy.

• 38:12Wes Germer?

  Yeah. Makes you wonder why that fear kind of kicked in the way it did. At this point, you're not really seeing anything, just that fear's kicking in.

• 38:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. But, but what I saw, I, I, I, I didn't see any eyes or anything. All I saw was this blackness. And I don't know how I just associated the blackness with whatever fear hit me, you know, whatever just hit me. Cause I couldn't explain it. I mean, I was just walking around looking to go find this tree that fell down.

• 38:45Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's a strange fear that kicks in like that. Makes me think of, uh, when I was on Bigfoot and beyond, Bobo was talking about infrasound. And, um, I should go back on there. We should do a whole show on infrasound. I mean, there's a lot of really weird things that happen to people when you hit them with different frequencies that they can't quite hear. I just wonder if that's what was going on there. Thirty eight years later, you find your way back to, uh, Northern Michigan. Tell me about what's going on at your house.

• 39:20Speaker 06

  So I, I just came back to Michigan, not, not, uh, a couple of years ago. And I moved into this place where I'm at now. I, I have a couple of dogs, uh, a big Mastiff and a red doberman. And, um, we're sitting here watching TV one night. It's like 11:30 and something hits the side of the, something hits the side of the house. It was like, it was like somebody hit it with a car, you know, it kind of, the way it shook, everything. So I got up and I got a flashlight. And I go outside and I'm looking around and I'm looking around and I'm noticing my dogs won't come outside.

• 40:05Speaker 06

  And this is like the first time this ever happened. And I stood outside hollering for my dogs. And they stood there in the door looking at me like I was nuts. And I I don't get it cuz they they've not they're always, you know, they have to be out first, you know, dogs are. So when this happened, they they wouldn't, they wouldn't come outside and. So I'm looking around, I'm looking around, I can't find anything, I can't find nothing. Couldn't see anything. And one night I get home from work and I'm sitting in my my little like bar here countertop, you know.

• 40:46Speaker 06

  And I end up falling asleep with my my head down in front of me, you know, and with the TV on. And um, it's like sitting at at the bar here. And um, I hear this noise, this tapping. Um, it's tapping and it's really loud and I I I don't pick my head up, I I I I. I hear the sound, you know, it's tap, tap, tapping. And I'm like trying to figure out what it is and I'm thinking, well, it's gotta be. It's gotta be my big dog cuz he's got a big old tail and when he can wag it, you know, he can make it kinda sounds like that.

• 41:26Speaker 06

  As I'm listening to it and I'm like, no, somebody, somebody is tapping on the glass window. Just ten feet from my head, I pick, I pick my head up and it stops. I'm like, what? So I run over the window and and I'm trying to look out and it's totally pitch black outside, I couldn't see anything. So I'm like, where the heck are my dogs? My dogs are sleeping on the bed. I grab my flashlight. And I go outside and I shine my light, it's anyways, it's one thirty in the morning. And I don't see anything, nothing, nothing. And then a little while it goes on, a little while goes on. Maybe, maybe two weeks.

• 42:11Speaker 06

  And um, I'm sitting on my couch. And I got one dog um, on the couch next to me. It's uh, it's eleven thirty in the evening.

• 42:24Speaker 06

  And we're watching TV and one dog's on the floor in front of me. Uh, in between me and the other dog on the couch and, and, and the TV. And I'm watching TV and, and, and the dogs are up at attention. They're not sleeping. They're up at attention, you know. We're, I don't know if I was throwing treats or something, but you know, we were, we were up and about. And, um, all of a sudden I hear this whistle. And it's real loud and it goes from low to high. And me and, and the dogs, and we all turn our heads at the same time. Look over at where, to the, uh, the door, cause it was like somebody was standing right here in front of the door.

• 43:10Speaker 06

  It sounded like and made this big whistle. And, and there's nobody there. And so I get up. And I come over here and I open up the door and I'm looking around and I'm like, what is going on? What the heck is going on? So I go back over to the TV and I rewound, cause I was watching YouTube or something. And I rewound it back and played it back to make sure I didn't hear some whistle. I don't know, off coming from the TV or something, you know? And I'm like, but it doesn't explain how we all heard it and turned our heads at the same time and looked. But I have this dog door. Uh, you know, for the dogs to go in and out on their own.

• 43:56Speaker 06

  And anyways, I, uh, I can't figure out where this, this whistle came from. And it really had me, it really, it really had me in, in, in a, in a whirl, you know? Because, I mean, it was so loud and it was right there. Not, there's nobody there and, and I'm outside and again, my dogs will not come outside. They stand in the door, looking at me, like I lost my mind or something. Will not come outside. Um, okay, well, see, as a little more time goes by, um, now I, I, I jump in my truck and I'm

• 44:38Speaker 06

  uh, gotta run to town. It turned left, I'm going to town. At the top of the hill, there's a cemetery. And people in the sa- in the cemetery, I noticed, like to put lights in there. For some reason, there's all kinds of light on at night, you know, when, when I go by this old cemetery. So, as I'm coming down the road, just pulling on my, I'm not going very fast, maybe thirty-five, forty-five. And I can see at the top of the hill, these red lights, what looks like to be red lights, going across, across the road in front of me.

• 45:19Speaker 06

  But they, they, it was weird, cause it's, they, they kinda, they kinda moved together and then stopped for a second, and then they moved together and both went together, and then they stopped for a second. When, when they finished going across the road, they, they stopped and I could see them. There's a, there's a sign there that says, "Stop sign ahead", um, at the bottom of the hill, just before you hit this, uh, other crossroad there. Um, so, I see these red glowing lights and they're, as I'm coming up and getting closer and closer, I'm, you know, I'm trying to figure out what they are, what they are, you know, cause I'm like, there's no,

• 46:03Speaker 06

  the cemetery stops before where these lights went across. So, and there's nothing but, uh, a chunk of woods between there and, and the road I'm headed to. So, I'm, I'm slowing down and slowing down and, and getting closer and closer. And, and I can see the, the, the two glowing red ones in the front kinda looked like little slits, like, like, um, I would have to say his, he, his head was cocked and kinda looking at me out of the corner of his eye, I guess. The other set of red eyes were right below his,

• 46:48Speaker 06

  maybe a foot below his and just a little behind him. And they were looking dead at me. They look like these two big, they look like huge like taillights of a car. They were so bright and red and, and just glowing and, and I'm just deadlocked on the two that are looking directly at me. And as I'm coming up, getting closer and closer, my headlights are, are um shining on them. The sign that they were standing in front of, the image of the sign, I guess you could call it, was, was kind of being portrayed in front of them.

• 47:31Speaker 06

  But it was all blur, it was all blurry looking and it looked like, it looked like, like, like if I had water in your eye almost, you know? Um, or something like that. It was, it was just all blurry, but the where the, the eyes were, wasn't all blurry because they were above the sign and it was all black behind them. So there wasn't no, I guess, reflection from, from the headlights up there. And as I'm getting closer and closer and slowing down, I'm probably doing about twenty-five. As I'm, I'm, I got my, I'm deadlocked on the two that are looking directly at me.

• 48:14Speaker 06

  And then I'm trying to figure it out and in the, in, in the craziest thing was I, I, I was starting to think like, oh my God, am I looking at a, a, at a Bigfoot here? You know, cause I'm, you've heard all about these, these eyes, you know? And it's my first time seeing something like it. And this is all happening so fast, you know, as you're getting closer and closer to it and slowing down and thinking like, there's no way this is what I'm looking at. This has gotta be some lights or something. Somebody put them there. And then as I'm thinking this, two of them like turn around and look directly at me, um, but they're white.

• 49:00Speaker 06

  And they were about two feet below.

• 49:04Speaker 06

  The second one, so, but, but everything was so blurry. I couldn't, I couldn't see like, you know, parts. It was, it was, it was the weirdest thing, the way it was, it was all blurry. It was um, like a reflection somehow. But except for the, when he turned his head and them two glowing white, white uh, looked like a flashlight. Two flashlights looked directly at me as I'm going around the sign. And as I'm actually ducking my head under to, to, so I can see them.

• 49:50Speaker 06

  Um, as I'm going by them, um, you know, I'm ducking my head under the mirror. So I can keep looking at them as I go by. And when I go about, finally get past the sign there. I'm going into the gravel because I'm going so slow and I'm not paying attention. I'm going off into the ditch. So when, when that happens and I kind of snapped to it. Um, I turned, I, I could, I got back on the road. And I was, I just, I was like, there's no way I just saw what I just saw. There's nobody's, I'm like, dude, that's, I was, I thought that was crazy.

• 50:32Speaker 06

  So I started leaving some uh, fig bars for them there. At that, that little crossing there where, where I saw them cross. And um, cookies and um, and um, there are strawberry figs, fig bars. I, I had them wrapped up in a, in a, the dollar store bag, you know. And the package of cookies were, weren't open or anything. And so I, I went down where, you know, I went to that spot there and I went right off into the woods. And I took these cookies and I just stuck them in a branch, in the like crotch of a tree branch. About seven feet off the ground.

• 51:17Speaker 06

  And two days later, when I came back, I was like, oh no, they didn't, they, or no, I, I put two jars of peanut butter in there too. And um, they were all in this bag and.

• 51:30Speaker 06

  You know, as I would drive by, I, you know, um, I would try to, try to look into the woods to see if anything, you know, if they got moved or something. Well, two days later, I stopped and, and I go, I go check it out because I'm like, it's still up in the tree. And, and so I walk over there and, and I open up the bag and all the figs, all the strawberry figs are gone. And both two jars of peanut butter in there. And they're both full and I didn't think they, you know, they, they even opened them. So I, I took the peanut butter and I threw them in the back of my truck.

• 52:11Speaker 06

  And, uh, so I started putting, leaving a loaf of bread once in a while or, or more cookies and, and, uh, stuff like that. Um, a few days after that, just getting home from work and, you know, it's just getting dark, sun's gone, it, it's dark out. And I hear this loud, like thump outside my window. And it kind of sounded like somebody took a bowling ball and like threw it up in the air and like, you know, when it hits the ground, it makes that thump. I hear this thump, me and my dogs hear it at the same time and it comes, it's coming from right out front of the window here.

• 52:50Speaker 06

  And, uh, and I, and I went around to the other side of the house and, and, you know, was looking to see if I could see anything. And there, there was, there was nothing there. That actually happened two more times after that. I can't, I can't explain it, you know, I can't figure out where the noise is coming from. Uh, so the, and this is all last, last, uh, last, last fall. Uh, when, when, you know, I, I started leaving food for, for the, uh, where, where they crossed in front of me.

• 53:27Wes Germer?

  You had mentioned it was blurry gill. What do you mean by that when you say it was blurry?

• 53:34Speaker 06

  Uh, it looked, um, it almost, it looked like a, the predator kind of effect, kind of thing. But it, it looked like, uh, or like, like a, if somebody hung a sheet of a Saran Wrap or something and, and you know, he was trying to look at the sign through it. It was, um, what it looked like to me, I, I just call it the big guy, you know? Cause I could see his eyes and I could kind of see an outline of the head, but it was, it was black because it was, it was, the headlights don't go up that high and they were higher than the top of the sign.

• 54:19Speaker 06

  And, and, and the weird thing was, cause it looked like right next to him was the, the other set of red eyes that were looking directly at me. And, and the whole, it looked like though, it was just a blur, like I couldn't, I couldn't see their, I couldn't distinguish body from body because it just looked blurry. Um, like, like if I had water in my eye or something, you know? And you know, you know, you get that, you know, I don't know how else to explain it.

• 54:59Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I think I understand and I appreciate you kind of going into it for me. You know, back in 1987, you're on a moped, you almost hit this thing. It's very different from what you're seeing now, what you're seeing now. You described that, that predator type of look, everyone's seen the movie, The Predator. I'm assuming most people have, but it's like water in the air where there's something there, but you can't quite see it. I mean, you're seeing the glowing eyes. What made you think it was Bigfoot?

• 55:32Speaker 06

  Well, that I can't say it was a Bigfoot. I really don't know what it was. That's the only thing I can, you know, it could have been a demon or something. I don't know. I just because the glowing red ice thing I've heard about. That's the only thing that makes me think that, you know, hey, it must have been a Bigfoot.

• 55:59Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I get where you're coming from. You know, when I was on Bigfoot and Beyond, we were talking about the forest going quiet, you know, like the cricket shut off, everything just shuts off. And it's a very odd feeling when you're in that moment. And Cliff and Matt and Bobo, they all had great responses to what could be causing that. Smart guys over there. But Bobo was actually, he kind of got me thinking about the whole infrasound thing. And I was thinking about all the moments of people telling me of the forest just going silent.

• 56:37Wes Germer?

  And you know, paranormal, anything paranormal aside, infrasound would be the best explanation for why that would happen. And many years ago, I really researched infrasound. And I think it was Disney. This is many years ago. They were using infrasound for you can make someone feel fear. You can make someone feel sadness. You can make, you can do a lot of things to people's psyche with infrasound. They messed up and people were actually coming out of the theater throwing up. I think that practice kind of got banned, but it really made me, it got me thinking about, after I was talking to you, Gil,

• 57:21Wes Germer?

  and just over the years of hearing people experience what you're experiencing. And it makes me wonder, you know, is it something paranormal? Is it something more, I mean, could infrasound cause that? And it can. Infrasound can actually alter your perception. It can alter your, I can make you see things that aren't there. And I'm not saying that's what happened. It just got me, after you and I talked, Gil, like, got me really looking back into it. But I've talked to, I talked to a state trooper one time and he saw basically what you're describing and he described it as, "I saw Bigfoot's ghost."

• 58:04Wes Germer?

  And I asked him, I said, "What do you mean he saw Bigfoot's ghost?" Well, he's basically describing what you're describing, even to the glowing red eyes. And there's a police officer, it came on episode 716, it was Jack from Virginia. And him and I were talking about, at that time, there was a lot of assaults on police officers. People walk up and shoot them and terrible stuff. I'm no doubt it still goes on, but it's terrible. And he was kind of describing, you know, when he's on break and when he's on lunch, he would go, uh, kind of park on the side of this church. It's out in the middle of nowhere.

• 58:45Wes Germer?

  And actually, you know what, instead of me telling you, bear with me, let me pull a clip from, uh, episode 716. Uh, this is, uh, Jack talking about his encounter. It happened in Virginia.

• 59:03Speaker 07

  There's this church on that end of town that I always park at and it's, it's kind of a weird layout. Uh, a lot of times, you know how they build like churches in sections? I guess they'll get enough money and they'll build on to the church and whatnot. Well, the way that the layout was, it was kind of like a U, um, in between the two buildings. And there was actually a, um, a walkway. It was a enclosed walkway, a, about a story in the air where if you were on the second story of the building, you could walk across this walkway into the second story of the building, right across the way from it. And then beneath that was another awning where if you were on the ground floor, you could walk from left to right or right to left. And that was pretty well lit.

• 59:48Speaker 07

  Well, I like to go back there and park. Um, that night I, I pulled back up in there and I remember I just, I felt really uneasy. But again, this was kind of the spot that I always go to. And I remember I just kind of had like the urge almost to, to just shine my spotlight down the hill and into the woods. The way this U faces, it, it kind of faces into the woods there. And I'd mentioned to you that one of the things I'll do is I'll take my, uh, my radar. And I'll actually turn that on and I'll point it towards the road that kind of leads up into this U. That way, if there was a vehicle that would approach my vehicle, it would go off.

• 1:00:32Speaker 07

  And if I were looking at something else, or even if I were, were taking a nap, it would wake me up. Well, I, I turned that ra- that radar on. And it, it just starts going haywire. Uh, it, it just starts acting like it's picking up movement and there's no vehicle there at all. And I thought, well, you know, maybe this is my, maybe it's my defroster. And you know, the cops, if any police officers are listening, they'll tell you that, you know, your defroster, if you turn that on, that air, it'll actually pick that up and you can get a reading off of that. Well, it wasn't that, it, it was just strange, Wes. Um, I, I've never really seen it kind of go off like that.

• 1:01:14Speaker 07

  You know, as, as I'm sitting here, that's when kind of all this began, cause something caught my eye. And what I could see, and I know that this is going to sound crazy. But if you've ever seen that movie, The Predator, when the predator is cloaked, that, that's what I'm looking like. And this thing has come up the road and is standing underneath of that walkway, that awning.

• 1:01:45Speaker 07

  And this whole thing is relatively well lit Wes. I mean, you're in between these buildings. They've got exterior lights on. The walkway has lights underneath it. I mean, it's, it's pretty well lit for being where it's at in the time of day. You know, being three in the morning. And so I, I, I'm watching this thing and it's moving from left to right. And I honestly could not believe what I was looking at for a second, you know, it, it, it is one of those things where you almost double take. And you're sitting there squinting, just not believing what you're seeing. But what really drew my attention to it was the fact that I caught it while it was moving. I don't know how long it had been there.

• 1:02:30Speaker 07

  But the only thing I know is I saw it when it was moving. So as, as I'm watching this thing, it's moving from left to right. And it gets behind this pillar and it stops. It, it, and when I say a pillar, it's like this big metal I being that's one of the supports of this walkway. And, and it stops like it knows that I've seen it. And, and what's weird is as I'm watching it, I can still see the sides of it. You know, I, it's not like it's completely hidden from my view. I can literally still see a part of this thing on each side of this pillar. It's so big, the pillar can't, can't cover it.

• 1:03:13Speaker 07

  And at this point, I'm still just having a hard time wrapping my head around what I'm seeing. And, and I remember thinking to myself, I need to get out of here, but I can't because that walkway, the, the, um, the road needs to go right out of it. Well, this thing would be no more than 10 feet away from the road that I would have to travel down to get out of here. I'm literally trapped where, where I'm sitting.

• 1:03:44Speaker 07

  You know, looking back and thinking about it, I really had the impression that it was, it was almost like it knew that I had seen it. Um, and it paused there for a little bit and then it, and then it, it moved, it kept moving up towards that building. And then it's almost like I blinked and, and again, this is going to sound, this is going to sound crazy. It's almost like in a second, it uncloaked and ran. And when I say uncloaked, think about like the predator. It shot down that walkway. And where this is at, it's almost like a T intersection. When you come down where I'm sitting, you could turn left or right.

• 1:04:28Speaker 07

  It uncloaked and shot and ran down to the left and down that road that would go down to the left. And I'm going to tell you that I never, Wes, I've never seen anything move that quick, man. I, I'm, I have nothing to equate it to with the speed with which this thing moved. The only thing I know is it was like a light brown and it was huge. Um, cause from where I'm sitting, I'm sitting slightly uphill and I can still see this thing in my mind. Now I'm, I'm six foot tall. I, I, I can tell you that it would definitely be bigger than I am, easily, easily. And it went up that walkway and there's a little bit of a hill that that walkway kind

• 1:05:12Speaker 07

  of goes up. It shot down that hill, went down to where the road was, and then went left down that road and then out of my view.

• 1:05:25Wes Germer?

  And you know, that's one of the encounters I talk about all the time. And you know, in the subject, you can, there's basically three options. You can write it off and say people are crazy, which is much easier to do when it's one or two, uh, but when it's many, many people kind of all saying the same thing. I mean, here's a cop of many years and you know, he's pretty emotional about what happened to him and what he actually saw. The other option is to try and find answers, you know, as far as. Is it infrasound? Is there something going on here that makes it seem weirder than it actually is?

• 1:06:09Wes Germer?

  Or you can just say it's paranormal, but I would love to find an answer why people they they experience this and it's not just you Gil. Where this happened, this intersection, how far is that from your your home?

• 1:06:26Speaker 06

  Oh, it is maybe 200 yards.

• 1:06:29Wes Germer?

  That's really close. I was kind of curious, you know, what was kind of your mindset? When you were leaving the food, what kind of made you want to leave food?

• 1:06:39Speaker 06

  I don't know. I guess maybe to try to establish some kind of friendships or something, I guess, you know? And it's really, I can't, well, I mean, they could have waited until I drove by to cross the street. They didn't have to show themselves to in front of me like that and and stop and look directly at me, you know, and then I can only assume that she was holding something or maybe it was a juvenile or younger one standing there that had to go on white eyes, you know, I don't, I don't know. I don't know because because

• 1:07:24Speaker 06

  I couldn't make a definite, you know, distinguish between between the bodies.

• 1:07:32Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's strange. What do you think that they are?

• 1:07:36Speaker 06

  Um, I'm on the, I think they're something out of the Bible. I think, you know, the Bible tells it all.

• 1:07:47Wes Germer?

  When you say something out of the Bible, are you talking about the Nephilim?

• 1:07:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think it's, I think there's some kind of part Nephilim somehow related and I think some of them have been here. I think some of them are could be, you know, maybe five, 10,000 years old even, you know, that's what I think. Who knows?

• 1:08:14Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you could be right. I'd be careful leaving food for them if if you are right. Is there still stuff going on around your property?

• 1:08:23Speaker 06

  Um, since, uh, nothing's happened and I haven't had any, any, any bangs or taps on my windows, um, all winter long. So I think, um, I think maybe they moved on for the winter.

• 1:08:39Wes Germer?

  Yeah, well, you'll have to let me know if they, uh, end up showing back up. And I really appreciate you taking the time, Gil, to come on and share what happened to you. I know it's not the most comfortable thing, especially when it focuses more on the weird stuff. But like I always say, you know, I, I don't want to hear fantastic stories, just tell me what happened. And, um, I can't thank you enough for coming on, man.

• 1:09:04Speaker 06

  I appreciate you, um, having me to outlet here. Thanks a lot, Wes. Appreciate it.

• 1:09:12Wes Germer?

  Thanks again, Gil. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com, get your blog, become a member, and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Next time, everyone.

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