Pod Insights Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast Fitbit Air and Ferrari's Luce Fiasco About this episode This was a big week for tech aficionados. Not only do Marques, Andrew, and David dig deep on the new Fitbit Air and the Google Health app but they also discuss the new Ferrari Luce EV which has the internet in flames. After that, they talk about Marques seeing a Cybercab, Motorola being sketchy, and David accidentally bringing a disco party to Pixel devices.
Links:
Joanna Stern on Waveform: https://youtu.be/pF7flwZJgLA?si=mZB6w-Vi7RKiqHpm
MKBHD - Fitbit Air review: https://youtu.be/9GSDvO0LFFE?si=RImb9XY4E4vHaz2n
DC Rainmaker - Fitbit Air Review: https://youtu.be/Sryp2OOn9Xk?si=Aii1Q4Fv5tO4Eeh1
DesFit - Fitbit Air Review: https://youtu.be/e_uSpR_4hmg?si=TAP3vANBYuju0sOh
9to5Google - Motorola Honey Hack: https://9to5google.com/2026/05/25/motorola-amazon-app-hijacking-behavior/
Autofocus - Ferrari Luce video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Reu1WS3BhM
Cleo Abram - Jony Ive x Ferrari: https://youtu.be/K-o0r2zSgCE?si=658deFPLFo5xzOg2
@GazzettaFerrari on Twitter: https://x.com/GazzettaFerrari/status/2059278602399543309
@RaceJohnson on Twitter: https://x.com/RaceJohnson/status/2055815818357940325
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1:21 David Imel? Wait, wait, wait, Adam. What was the results of last week's poll?
1:24 Andrew Manganelli? You don't want to know.
1:24 Speaker 03 I don't know how to quantify all of this.
1:27 David Imel? I have an idea. Ask Gemini, based on the comments, what it thinks we should do.
1:31 Speaker 01 Oh, the audience.
1:33 Speaker 04 Sorry, Google Gemini was like, you need to fix the chapters.
1:37 David Imel? No way. No. Guys, we do this every week. We fix, we add chapters every week.
1:44 Speaker 01 Dude, I have told them to fix chapters.
1:50 Speaker 01 Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew.
1:56 David Imel? I'm David.
1:57 Speaker 01 And this episode, we've got two of the biggest stories, probably at least on your feed, but maybe of the past couple of months, which are the Fitbit Air and the Ferrari Luce. Both very much Waveform topics. Plus, we've got a bunch of other stuff. Motorola hijacking affiliate links, a professional soccer match, shot on iPhone. For audio listeners, I did air quotes when I said that. Heavy quotes. And Disco-morphism is alive. You Spotify listeners already know what we're talking about there. But first, if you didn't already see our bonus episode on Tuesday this week, we had a fun conversation with Joanna Stern. Just, you know, two New Jersey tech reporters chopping it up. That's what I like to see. So if you haven't already seen that, definitely go check it out.
2:40 Speaker 01 If you have and you're not subscribed, what are you doing? Get subscribed, make sure you're on board.
2:45 Andrew Manganelli? Wouldn't have missed it if you were.
2:46 Speaker 01 Exactly. But first, did they even test this?
2:50 Andrew Manganelli? I have a quick one.
2:51 Speaker 01 That's what I like to hear.
2:51 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, maybe this is only on Android Auto Google Maps, but how come on Google Maps in your car, when you're, when you have a route set, it shows the speed limit? And when you don't have a route set, it doesn't show the speed limit?
3:05 Speaker 01 You have a route set.
3:06 Andrew Manganelli? Like, when you're just driving and don't have a destination,
3:09 Speaker 01 right?
3:10 Andrew Manganelli? It does not show the speed limit of the road you're on? But if you do have a destination, it shows the speed limit?
3:16 Speaker 01 That's interesting.
3:16 Andrew Manganelli? On the UI.
3:17 Speaker 01 I don't know.
3:18 Andrew Manganelli? Why?
3:18 Speaker 01 I feel like it's a setting.
3:19 Andrew Manganelli? I should always want to know what the speed limit is.
3:21 Speaker 01 Well, there's, interestingly, in Google Maps, well, I guess first of all, it's more sure about knowing exactly which road you're on when you're navigating. Sometimes there are roads, like overpasses and tunnels and stuff, where it doesn't actually know which road you're on. But if you're navigating, it's pretty sure which road you're on. I don't know if that's true.
3:38 Andrew Manganelli? That feels like such a quick overlap that like, it shouldn't make that much of a difference. As long as I'm moving, if I'm like stopped under an overpass.
3:44 Speaker 01 Here's why. It is, it is estimating how long it's gonna take to get there based on the speed limit, right? So if you don't know where you're going, it has no idea how long it's gonna take to get there. So it's like, go as fast as you want.
3:56 Andrew Manganelli? But I have to assume.
3:59 Speaker 01 Logically.
3:59 Andrew Manganelli? Officer, I didn't have a destination plugged into my Google Maps, therefore, autobahn.
4:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, autobahn.
4:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, there's only just like backroads where a speed limit sign doesn't show up forever.
4:09 Speaker 01 Well, on the backroads, it doesn't matter.
4:10 Andrew Manganelli? That's true.
4:11 Speaker 01 On the backroads, you're flying off rocks.
4:13 Andrew Manganelli? Not legal advice.
4:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, well.
4:15 Andrew Manganelli? I just think that feels like such an obvious.
4:17 Speaker 01 I feel like it's a setting, it's in the settings, isn't it? When it shows the speed limit? I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe that's a Waze thing.
4:24 Speaker 03 There has to be a reason for like, how it knows where you are has something to do with you being in movement, maybe.
4:31 Andrew Manganelli? It's following.
4:32 Speaker 01 It's still showing.
4:32 Andrew Manganelli? It's literally showing me live updates on the road that I'm on. Like, it's moving with me. It knows the road I'm on. It's gonna use the same information.
4:40 Speaker 01 I feel like there has to be a reason for this. Maybe it's just trying to, ooh, maybe.
4:43 Andrew Manganelli? It's Google and they forgot.
4:44 Speaker 01 I know, I know, I have a good reason. Maybe it's because when you're not navigating anywhere, they want to keep as little stuff on the screen as possible so to keep it clean.
4:52 Andrew Manganelli? There's more space on the screen when it's not navigating because it doesn't have to show me directions.
4:56 Speaker 01 When it doesn't have to show you directions, it wants it to be cleaner so you can like, look around and see the roads and like, maybe you want to navigate somewhere later. But if you're navigating somewhere, all you need to know is your navigation.
5:06 David Imel? Yeah, if it's cleaner, they have more room for the giant volume dial.
5:09 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, to take up the speed limit that I can see.
5:11 Speaker 01 Depending on the car, yeah.
5:12 Andrew Manganelli? It's like 3% of the bottom right-hand corner of the screen. I think it could show me. It's got plenty of space for it.
5:18 Speaker 01 We're thinking there's zero reason?
5:20 David Imel? It's Google. It's Google. That's the reason.
5:22 Speaker 01 Alright.
5:23 David Imel? It has to be.
5:23 Speaker 01 Zero reason.
5:24 David Imel? Speaking of which, and we'll get to this later. I didn't want to make this the "Did you even test this?" because it's gonna be such a big part of the podcast.
5:31 Speaker 03 I wanted to make it the "Did you even test this?"
5:33 David Imel? We'll talk about the Fitbit error. We'll talk about the Fitbit error, which I like very much, to be clear. However, there are many bugs. And when I talked to Google, I got on a phone call with them and they said, "We just really don't want to make the 'Did you even test this?'"
5:48 Speaker 01 That's hilarious.
5:49 Andrew Manganelli? The segment has made it out into the world.
5:51 David Imel? So, points to you guys for actually watching the show. But unfortunately, these bugs have not been fixed by.
5:57 Speaker 01 You still have to test it.
5:58 David Imel? And it is, it is in the wild and people can buy it and therefore I'm going to have to talk about the bugs.
6:03 Andrew Manganelli? Send this to the Maps team also.
6:05 David Imel? Yeah, true. Maybe they can fix it.
6:07 Andrew Manganelli? I just found a Reddit thread from two years ago asking the same question.
6:11 Speaker 01 Oh, nice. Did anyone have an answer?
6:12 Andrew Manganelli? No. They said, "This is why I use Waze."
6:15 Speaker 01 Beautiful. Nice. Okay.
6:17 Speaker 03 I actually found a Reddit thread from three years ago about this.
6:21 David Imel? Dude, I tweeted that six years ago. I guess we're starting with Fitbit Air. In that case, you guys already know, we put the review out of the Fitbit Air. Marques has got his orange one, that's the Steph Curry special edition.
6:33 Speaker 01 Sure do.
6:34 David Imel? So does Adam, his came in yesterday, his retail unit. It is much nicer than the other options that you can buy. For some reason, the material is nicer. It is water resistant, whereas the other ones are not water resistant.
6:45 Speaker 01 Wait, you're saying the Steph Curry one is water resistant?
6:47 David Imel? Correct.
6:47 Speaker 01 And the others are not?
6:48 David Imel? Correct.
6:49 Andrew Manganelli? I think you found.
6:50 David Imel? Yeah, they get like, it has a water resistant coating on it, whereas the other ones.
6:55 Andrew Manganelli? Even the ribbed ones?
6:56 David Imel? The ribbed ones are water resistant.
6:57 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
6:57 David Imel? But, uh, what do they call this? The?
6:59 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, the performance one.
7:00 David Imel? Performance band. Yeah, they're not water resistant. They can get wet and they can soak.
7:05 Andrew Manganelli? Huh.
7:05 Speaker 01 I see that.
7:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, you said that yours felt like wet after working out.
7:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, it still definitely gets damp and holds moisture after a workout. So I'm kind of, I'd be surprised to see if that was even worse.
7:15 David Imel? I mean, but look at this, this, yours has a bunch of rubber on the inside.
7:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:18 David Imel? This one doesn't have any.
7:19 Speaker 01 It's literally just the fabric.
7:21 David Imel? So that's gonna be worse.
7:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:22 Andrew Manganelli? It's not necessarily water resistant, probably just feels less wet.
7:25 David Imel? Well, on the website, it says that one's water resistant and this one isn't. It said it has a water resistant coating.
7:30 Speaker 01 Interesting.
7:31 David Imel? On the Steph Curry.
7:31 Speaker 01 On the threads.
7:32 Andrew Manganelli? Someone should test that.
7:33 David Imel? That's what it says. Well, uh, okay, so we have a lot of thoughts because last week, uh, we had not yet passed the actual review embargo. We had only passed the unboxing embargo, which was very vague, to be clear. This has been a problem for many years where companies will have multiple embargoes and people just sort of push the line of what it means for something to be a review.
7:53 Speaker 01 Yep.
7:54 David Imel? Famously, like Tom's Guide and Gadget and whatever would, would call things hands-on review. When it was a hands-on video, it's a sort of get around the no reviews yet thing.
8:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, I could do an hour and a half on this.
8:06 David Imel? Yeah. I, I won't to spare you.
8:11 Andrew Manganelli? TLDR, it dumb.
8:13 Speaker 01 We can, yeah, you can check the feeds and you can see lots of not quite a review, but almost kind of a review videos out there.
8:20 David Imel? Yeah.
8:20 Speaker 01 But the reviews are out now.
8:21 David Imel? Yeah, the actual review embargo was Tuesday at 9 a.m. Eastern time. So now we can actually talk about our full thoughts about the Fitbit Air.
8:28 Speaker 01 We can evaluate it.
8:29 David Imel? We can evaluate it, of which I have many, many, many thoughts. The first being like, it is incredibly ironic to me that this is both a really, really good device and a really, really buggy device. And my, my overall take on this, which we'll sort of, we'll dive into, is that the premium features that you get with, with Google Health Premium actually make this product worse.
8:55 Speaker 01 Worse is an interesting take.
8:57 David Imel? That's my take.
8:57 Speaker 01 Definitely an argument to be made that it is not necessarily for most, not necessary for most people, but make it worse is a, I want to hear your take on that.
9:04 David Imel? I think it's worse.
9:05 Andrew Manganelli? I, I saw other reviewers, maybe not say exactly like that, but basically hint at like, DC Rainmaker used his info and his wife, and his wife used the free, he used the premium, and he kept pulling them up next to each other and basically kept saying like, he likes the feed of his wife's better because it doesn't have so much talky talky.
9:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think a big part of this, and this is what I talked about in my review, is the target demographic. What it comes down to is who this is for. And I think this specific Fitbit, the Fitbit Air, is targeted at Whoop users or a lot of people who use other screenless fitness trackers, right? And it's supposed to be the one that's cheaper, and it's the one that's from Google, and it's Fitbit, so you know, you can, you know, you know what you get from Google. But it's specifically the cheaper version of what's already out there with the screenless fitness trackers. And I think a lot of those are probably overkill for most people as far as all the data and all the tracking and the extremely expensive subscription. So this being cheaper and offering like 90% of that is slightly, slightly less advanced, but for almost the same person.
10:09 David Imel? Right.
10:10 Speaker 01 You're wearing an Apple Watch right now, so am I.
10:11 David Imel? Yeah.
10:12 Speaker 01 This, I would argue, is even more beginner focused. Like you just kind of count steps, calories, and fill your rings, and that's it. It's not personalized, your heart rate zones are the same for everyone, no matter Age, like, there's not a lot of calibration to who you are as an athlete. It's just kind of like, yeah, get up every hour, like, stand up.
10:31 David Imel? Yeah.
10:31 Speaker 01 Get some exercise minutes in. So there's a spectrum of who these products are for.
10:35 David Imel? Yeah.
10:35 Speaker 01 And this kind of, I think it fits in somewhere in the middle.
10:37 David Imel? Well, there's a strange reason for that, because I feel like the Apple Watch, especially the Ultra, pulls more information than like the Fitbit Air pulls. But the actual information that it shows you on a day-to-day basis and tries to get you to interact with is much less. Because Apple has, Apple started with the Apple Watch being a gadget, and it slowly became a fitness device.
10:56 Speaker 01 Exactly.
10:56 David Imel? They didn't like anticipate that to happen, but over time, they're like, oh, the Apple Watch is actually just like a fitness tracker, but it is also a watch. So the thing about the Fitbit Air that's interesting is, like you said, it's people who aspire to be Whoop people, because Whoop people sort of indicates that you are like a hardcore fitness person. But those people, it might be inaccessible for those people, because the minimum subscription of a Whoop is $200 a year. And then it becomes a brick if you don't pay for it, which is actually insane.
11:26 Speaker 01 It's the worst part.
11:26 David Imel? So the thing about the Fitbit Air, if you use the base Google Health app, which is what they call it now, they transitioned Fitbit to Google Health. A lot of people are very angry about that, because it was a buggy transition for a lot of people. I saw all these tweets this morning of people who lost all of their data, all of their Fitbit data, like, didn't make the transition.
11:47 Speaker 01 Or like runs just showing up as workouts and not runs.
11:50 David Imel? Yeah.
11:50 Speaker 01 There's a bunch of random bugs.
11:51 David Imel? The data just got really messed up. So in the base Google Health app, it just shows you all of your metrics, right? It collects things like your steps, your cardio load, your sleep, like, all of that information. And then the base Google Health app, it just shows all that data front and center. If you have the premium version of the app, what the premium version does is honestly, I feel like Google should pay you to use the premium version, because they just stick Gemini in as many places as possible, and not only do they stick it there to, as an option to use, they just generate summaries of every single thing that you do.
12:27 Speaker 01 So on the front page, like the main tab, there's always a giant block of text.
12:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this reminds me of the new like Nest AI update where I wanted the AI update because it would in individual events, make it easier to search for things. But every time I go to my cameras, there's like four paragraphs that I have to scroll past. Like, I don't want that. I don't need to read about this every time. Maybe let me pick to read it. But this looks terrible. Like, nice, clean UI on top with a couple buttons and then just text.
12:57 Speaker 03 That was gonna be my take too, is that I don't not like the AI coach. Like, it's cool. It's fun to play with. It's like relatively useful, maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but like just for me messing around, whatever.
13:09 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure.
13:09 Speaker 03 I wish it was a separate tab. Like, why is it front and center?
13:12 Speaker 01 Or if it was truncated.
13:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:13 Speaker 01 And you could expand it.
13:14 Speaker 03 If I open up my app, I just want to see all of my like data.
13:17 Speaker 01 If you pay the hundred bucks, though, you want to see what you paid a hundred bucks for front, like front and center, right?
13:23 Speaker 03 No, I want to know it's there. I don't want to necessarily see it all the time.
13:27 Speaker 01 If it's the free version and you don't have it, sure, you're not gonna notice that you don't have it. But if you pay the hundred bucks a year, I want to see that like pretty early.
13:37 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's safe to say that like you, though, could be someone who wants to ask the AI coach questions and then help that in some senses, like create a workout, blah, blah, blah, but don't always want it. And you're like, quick, like, this feels like it should be a, the homepage should be like a quick glance at things. So like, under this is workouts, right?
13:53 Speaker 03 You're stealing the words right out of my mouth.
13:55 Andrew Manganelli? Goodness.
13:55 Speaker 03 That first page should be glanceable.
13:57 Andrew Manganelli? It should be glanceable. This is not a glanceable text. So I feel like.
14:00 Speaker 01 You can customize this, by the way. You can make this six things.
14:03 Andrew Manganelli? This, this, this, but like underneath it usually then tracks, shows your individual workouts that you can click into, right?
14:08 Speaker 01 The top forty percent is glanceable. The bottom forty percent is like all the coach information that it.
14:13 Andrew Manganelli? Like, I think that could be a, or at least an option to be a separate tab. Like, I would probably just want to see my workouts and quickly go into them. But I could see some benefit of still contacting the coach and asking questions and having a chat log.
14:26 Speaker 03 I use it all the time.
14:26 Andrew Manganelli? Based on things.
14:27 Speaker 03 I like this.
14:27 Andrew Manganelli? I just wish it wasn't right in the main page. Yeah, the main page feed of. It yapping all the time.
14:33 David Imel? Yeah.
14:33 Andrew Manganelli? It feels insane.
14:34 David Imel? One of the biggest problems I have with the Gemini integration as the coach, though, is that it feels like the coach, like the Gemini coach doesn't, it has access to the data that it collects, but it doesn't always look at it. So, for example, at like 5:00 PM, it was like, are you still gonna hit your 10:00 AM workout, of which I had already done? You know, it didn't have that information. Uh, it asked me if I was gonna go on a long walk when I'd already gone on a long walk. It like randomly set a random number of calories that I'd eaten that was not the amount of calories that I'd eaten, ingested into the app.
15:09 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
15:10 David Imel? And there are all these metrics that you can look at in the app and you can see the data is right there, but Gemini doesn't seem to pull that data all the time. It does it like randomly and sometimes, but it doesn't do it like correctly every time. And then sometimes it just hallucinates information.
15:25 Andrew Manganelli? Does fit had an instance where it has the information on what his bedtime was and then 20 minutes after his bedtime was sending him, uh, tips on how to get better sleep that night for a better recovery. It's like, I'm asleep already. This is past the bedtime that's listed inside of the app that you're pulling from.
15:41 David Imel? Yeah, and then, I don't know, it just, so multiple times throughout the day, the Gemini coach will give you little summaries of things that you've done.
15:49 Speaker 01 Know to notify, notifies you.
15:50 David Imel? Yeah.
15:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:51 David Imel? But it is so, it happens so much. Like, I went on a 19-minute walk to the coffee shop and it was like, that 19-minute walk was so great, David, I didn't set a walk or anything, it just automatically created a summary. And it was like, you slowed down around minute 10, did you hit a red light? And I'm like, I went, I walked to the cafe. I do not see why I need a summary of this or why you need me to explain myself. You know, it's just, it's very strange.
16:16 Speaker 01 I think there's a middle ground, like, all these features with the, with the coach are very like beginner focused, I think.
16:23 David Imel? Yeah.
16:23 Speaker 01 Where a lot of people see all this data, but they don't know how to interpret it. A lot of people look at the, the Apple Health app, which is full of data, tons and tons of information that's being gathered by your Apple Watch.
16:33 David Imel? Yeah.
16:33 Speaker 01 And then don't really know what to do with that information or how to contextualize it or even know if that number is high or low or if it's trending up or down and what should I do with this. So the idea of the coach or the AI coach or the summaries and all this stuff is to give you some actionable something based on the information that is collecting. It's not very good yet. AI still hallucinates. We still want it to be way better. But that's the idea behind it. And I think for us, it's probably not targeted towards us if we if we're we've used garments. We've used Apple watches. We know what we're doing with a lot of this stuff. But for the very beginner who's just like, I don't know, I've been closing my rings for a while, but should I be doing more steps per day? Should I be drinking more water? That's ideally what this is.
17:14 Andrew Manganelli? I think a good middle ground to that, though, that would help my just glanceable aspect of this is, you know, if that front page shows the metrics up top, then has the bottom part that would show workouts. If then it just had a button that's just like,
17:27 Andrew Manganelli? that would trigger what you want from the coach. So like maybe at the top it says like, how's my day going so far? Or like, what should I prioritize tonight? How was my last workout? That would because it's just taking up so much room to assume that every time you look at it or three or four times a day, it's going to give you another wall of text.
17:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:46 Andrew Manganelli? That's, I think, my issue is like, I just don't need to see that text all the time. Give me a little button to press and like that's when pop up AI coach.
17:53 David Imel? To Google's credit, when I was talking to them on the phone, they were I I told them like, why do I need, you know, a a summary when I went on a 19 minute walk and they said they don't want to tell people what exercise is, you know, because to some people.
18:07 Speaker 01 Personalized.
18:07 David Imel? To some people, two hour walk is nothing. To some people, a 20 minute walk is something. So they don't want to necessarily be like, you didn't do exercise versus you did do exercise. And that's fair. And honestly, I think that Fitbits traditionally have sort of been geared towards like beginners who like want to get into fitness.
18:25 David Imel? But it's funny because like, I feel like this is targeted towards the whoop, the people who want whoops, but don't want to pay the money for a whoop. So I feel like it should be more, a little more geared.
18:34 Speaker 01 When I was first writing my review, I was like, this is, this is like for people who are thinking about getting a whoop or who do have a whoop, but they really don't need one.
18:42 David Imel? And this is way better for them and way less expensive for all the 75% of the things that they were using their whoop for. Now they're using 100% of the Fitbit and it's still fine.
18:52 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I agree. I think there are a lot of whoop users who are tired of paying all the time and kind of know what all you're gonna get the same stats pretty much. But now you can pay once and I do it. The whoop subreddit is a lot of people looking at the Fitbit.
19:04 David Imel? Oh, interesting. Yeah. Some other crazy bugs that I had. Um, when this is still occurring on my app, so waiting to be fixed. By the way, Google put out a roadmap of bug fixes yesterday on the day of launch.
19:18 Andrew Manganelli? That's a lot of bugs.
19:19 David Imel? They probably should have fixed them before the launch or like, you know, made the app work before they announced the launch date.
19:26 Andrew Manganelli? Probably.
19:27 David Imel? But there's a lot of bugs. There's a lot of bugs on there. Anyway, this is what my workout.
19:31 Andrew Manganelli? That's still insane.
19:33 David Imel? They still look like this. For audio listeners, it's like.
19:36 Andrew Manganelli? What workout is that?
19:37 David Imel? Literally just starting a strength workout.
19:39 Andrew Manganelli? Strength workout.
19:40 David Imel? Any sort of workout that I do.
19:41 Andrew Manganelli? It gets worse as I look at it and there's only four elements on the.
19:44 David Imel? So there's a gray rectangle in the center that only has three data points. One is cardio load and it's giant. The other one is heart rate and energy burned and they are not aligned at all. And then there's giant black boxes around it. And then the pause button is also sort of just randomly off.
20:02 Andrew Manganelli? To me, this is a did you even test this? Mine looks fine when I start a strength workout, but for some reason, heart rate does not have a unit and energy burned does have a unit. Well, because you don't have the.
20:13 David Imel? No, it never does have a unit when I even when.
20:15 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
20:16 David Imel? It never shows BPM. Mine, mine does sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't show any of this information until I finish the workout and then it gives me all the information. Um, but it continuously has this problem, which is pretty insane.
20:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yours says energy burned and the unit is like cut off by the UI of the pause button, which should be at the bottom. Wait, you don't have a timer on that at all. Marquez has had. Your timer is being covered up. For some reason, the bottom of your app is just totally messed up. I don't know why.
20:41 David Imel? When I, well, when I talked to them, they said they hadn't really tested it in dark mode.
20:45 Andrew Manganelli? Well, there is the did you even test?
20:46 David Imel? Which is the really, when they told me that, I was like, wow, okay. Yeah, that's crazy.
20:52 Andrew Manganelli? That screen needs a heart rate zone.
20:54 Speaker 03 I'm confused about why there's so many bugs for things like that because this has basically been out since like, what, October or November into Fitbit's public beta? Like, I've had this UI for months. So how does it still not?
21:07 David Imel? I do not know.
21:09 Speaker 03 I don't know.
21:09 David Imel? It is strange. It is strange. See, this, uh, this is my, I'll take a screenshot for the pod listeners. The, the calories burned says calories and it's slightly higher than the heart rate, which should say BPM.
21:21 Speaker 01 Yours is offset too.
21:22 David Imel? So it's just a little bit offset, but I do have the time down there because the pause button's supposed to be at the bottom. Yours is like moved up over the clock, which is weird.
21:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:29 Andrew Manganelli? Well, and it's two different like dark mode backgrounds on David. It's like a gray and a black, black, um, which is super messed up. This, I don't mind this screen in general, if dark mode worked. That obviously needs to be aligned properly. I would love the option to put a heart rate zone graph on this. I feel like so many people appreciate that in terms of, uh, live.
21:50 David Imel? Certain types of workouts. There's not as much customization. Like I, I think a lot of these should have more customized layouts for while you're working out.
21:57 Andrew Manganelli? This feels like a layout that is meant for customization. Like this is just giving you so many options because of how blank and simple it is.
22:05 David Imel? Other ways where Gemini just doesn't seem to be connected to your actual data that you're collecting. On the first day that I used this, uh, I woke up and it sort of prompts you when you wake up. It tells you how you slept and then it says, are you planning anything for today? And I said, I'm gonna go on a pretty long walk this morning. It said, that's cool. Let me know how long the walk is when you get back, which first of all, shouldn't it just be tracking that? Um, kinda strange. So I was like, okay, I will. And I got back from my walk and I said, that was 127 minutes. And it immediately is like, hmm, interesting. I see a 127 minute walk that I've already logged. Do you want me to delete it? I was like, but.
22:40 Andrew Manganelli? It did that for me too.
22:42 David Imel? So it, it, it feels like Gemini, the, the LLM is like not really talking correctly to the data sets.
22:50 Speaker 01 That is interesting. Yeah. A lot of my Gemini stuff is telling me, it's based on the conversations that I've had with it. So I had set up, I was like, here's my seven day week schedule. I have like games on weekends, practice on Wednesdays. And it looks at the weather. It's like, hey, it's gonna be hot today. You have practice later, hydrate, like that stuff makes sense, but it's not, you're right. Like a lot of that's not coming from the workouts that I've already done.
23:10 David Imel? The actual data that it collects on, yeah.
23:12 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like another example of it focusing way more on the AI part and not on the data set. If you watch DC Rainmaker's review, at one point, he like does a workout and jokingly sends a picture of like chips and queso and a glass of wine and says like, is this a good recovery? Like testing, he's like, is this a good recovery meal? And he was like, no, nah, nah. And then like after every single workout, it's like, oh, you'll do a great job for getting those calories back with the queso and rosé tonight. And just keeps mentioning it over and over. It like never forgets the thing.
23:45 David Imel? I want to coin this like AI fixation or something because Gemini does this for me all the time anyway. And yesterday I ate a, I ate a chicken burrito for lunch. And I wanted to test the like food logging feature that it has because another one of the features with the premium subscription, that you can log food by taking pictures of it. It knows what it is.
24:03 Speaker 01 Famously never has worked ever with any product.
24:06 David Imel? It works okay with macro factor, which is what I use for calorie tracking.
24:09 Speaker 01 I'm impressed because I've never gotten it to work.
24:11 Andrew Manganelli? I'll never believe that any of those work on any of those.
24:13 David Imel? It just doesn't have enough.
24:14 Andrew Manganelli? It can't.
24:15 Speaker 03 I mean, it's never.
24:15 Andrew Manganelli? A burrito, it's closed. You can't see what's inside.
24:18 David Imel? I cut it open. I cut it open.
24:21 Andrew Manganelli? There's no.
24:21 Speaker 01 And it could tell the size of the burrito and how much chicken was in it.
24:24 David Imel? It's probably not accurate.
24:25 Andrew Manganelli? It's not. It is not accurate. And that's all a calorie tracker is supposed to be as accurate.
24:30 Speaker 03 One thing though, that I think it would work with, and I want to test it out because I haven't seen it yet. I saw that people have been able to like write down like their exercises, their weights, their reps in like on a piece of paper.
24:42 David Imel? Yeah.
24:43 Speaker 03 And take a picture of that and it can transfer that.
24:44 David Imel? That does work.
24:45 Speaker 03 That makes sense.
24:46 David Imel? Yeah, that's cool. I don't know how you would do that when there's like a thousand apps that do it, but I guess some people do. Some people do.
24:52 Andrew Manganelli? Using apps. Like I just never do it. So.
24:55 David Imel? That's fair.
24:55 Speaker 03 There are a lot of people who have like workout notebooks and then just being able to log it with a picture actually sounds like a great.
25:01 David Imel? To the point about my chicken burrito, like I logged the chicken burrito with like the, the logging thing. And then for the next like two days, it was just like, that chicken burrito is really fueling your recovery. It's like two days later. I was like.
25:15 Speaker 01 It really locks in. It's like it's trying to oppress you with it remembering.
25:18 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think that's what it is.
25:19 David Imel? Yeah. And then yesterday it ran, at the end of the day, it was like, you did a great job. You had 117 grams of protein. And I had 157 logged. So I don't, it is just like, there's random information that you're trying.
25:33 Andrew Manganelli? Like in the app said 157, but in the Gemini thing said 117?
25:36 David Imel? No, in, uh, in the app it said 157 and then the Gemini prompt, yeah, it told me 117. I will give it to Fitbit. They do a really good job of ingesting information from other apps. So, Apple Health on the iPhone, if you use the iPhone, Apple Health ingests information from Macro Factor, which is my calorie tracking app, from Fitbit, which is my workout app. And then, Apple Health feeds into Google Health. So it actually has all of my calorie stuff. It has all that stuff. And that's really nice, because everything is just built in there, but then it will just randomly hallucinate information too. So yeah, I don't know. I think the main problem I see with this is that it just feels like Gemini and the dataset are not
26:20 David Imel? a cohesive, integrated thing. They seem like they're separate things, and it messes up a lot. All of that being said, I still really like this product. It has really amazing battery life. They say it's seven days, and I started using this eight days ago, and it's still alive at 19%.
26:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I feel like I got the worst battery life of everybody I watched the reviews of. It was supposed to be seven days, and I think I got to the end of day six and it was dead.
26:46 Andrew Manganelli? Six hour workouts a day, probably.
26:48 David Imel? Well, I do like... I've been doing a lot of workouts too.
26:51 Speaker 03 I got mine at roughly 5:00 PM, yeah, like 5:00 PM yesterday, and it is now at 70%.
26:57 David Imel? Whoa, did you charge it to full?
26:59 Speaker 03 No, I unboxed it. It was at like 75%.
27:01 David Imel? Oh, that's important.
27:03 Andrew Manganelli? That's very important. Right Gemini over there.
27:07 David Imel? Also, when you start a workout, there's just like a list, and it's just kind of, it's not that built out.
27:12 Speaker 01 They should learn from Whoop here. As soon as you start doing workouts, it should put those favorites at the top. You start a workout, and you're like, "Which type of workout is it?" Well, it should have a small list of the most recent or most common workouts. The Apple Watch does that too. As soon as I go to make a workout, it's like, "Oh, here's the most recent ones you've done." That's like an easy.
27:28 Andrew Manganelli? Or like just being able to customize it at least.
27:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, a couple of favorites in there.
27:32 David Imel? Yeah.
27:33 Speaker 01 That should be easy.
27:34 David Imel? One last bug I had that I was able to fix by logging out and logging back in is that when I went to the friends and family section, where you can make friends and have leaderboards and stuff, it would just have a spinning dial, and then it would go away, and the whole screen would just turn black.
27:46 Andrew Manganelli? A lot? It seems like there were quite a few of those where like, heart rate variability or something would have the graph, but not the number, and you'd have to log out and log back in. It just seems like a lot of data points. Go missing in the middle of the app.
28:00 Speaker 03 Side note, I completely forgot that was a thing. I'm challenging you.
28:04 David Imel? Oh, challenge me, yeah.
28:05 Speaker 01 On the Fitbit?
28:06 David Imel? Yeah, well, I'm crushing David Kogan and Sherlyn right now.
28:09 Andrew Manganelli? I, I.
28:10 David Imel? Fifty thousand steps for a week.
28:11 Speaker 03 Kogan has a whole coffee shop to run. That's cheating.
28:14 Speaker 01 That's a lot of steps.
28:15 David Imel? I know. Pretty good.
28:16 Speaker 01 I have another bug that is probably more of a flex than a bug, but you, you get low heart rate notifications for anything under fifty. So I just get them all day.
28:25 David Imel? He's like, you're so relaxed.
28:26 Speaker 01 Low heart rate, low heart rate. Hey, if you're, if you're dizzy or later, it's probably because of this. I'm like, it's not, it's fine.
28:32 Andrew Manganelli? This is how we find out Marcus is actually always just napping in front of his computer and none of us can tell?
28:36 Speaker 01 I didn't, it doesn't let me change with the low heart rate notification threshold. Oh, it doesn't let you go, oh, it's, you can change it to forty.
28:44 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, hold on, wait, wait.
28:45 Speaker 01 So it should show that in the notification.
28:47 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah. The default is fifty.
28:49 Speaker 01 The default's fifty. And then it says, would you like to dismiss? And I'm like, yes. And then it just tells me again. Okay, so forty is the lowest you can get notification.
28:56 Speaker 03 Found the new bug. I can't add you guys.
28:58 Speaker 01 Wait, does, does your spin to, does it have a black screen?
29:01 Andrew Manganelli? It just won't open up show phone contacts.
29:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, these are on my low heart rate notifications.
29:04 David Imel? Oh, there's a show phone contact?
29:05 Speaker 01 Forty's.
29:07 David Imel? Oh, yeah, there's, there's a lot of bugs. This is such a weird product because despite all the bugs, I still think it's a great value.
29:15 Andrew Manganelli? I.
29:15 David Imel? It's so weird.
29:16 Speaker 01 It is a great value.
29:17 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this is the weirdest. I think this is proof that if you make a really good product and I, hopefully most of the bugs are software and you hope that they can fix them is like, I still think this is great. I think I might get one. I think this blows whoop out of the water. Obviously, I'm a certified whoop hater, but my, my like take on this is if you want a screenless wearable, this is it for ninety-nine percent of the people and the one percent of people who want a whoop, ninety-nine percent of that one percent, you don't need the whoop. You're just telling yourself you need the whoop. The Fitbit is totally fine and it's a hundred dollars for the rest of your life.
29:52 David Imel? And you don't need.
29:52 Andrew Manganelli? I don't see any reason.
29:53 David Imel? You don't really need the AI.
29:54 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think you need the subscription either.
29:56 David Imel? And Google is like, so now Google has a thing where if you have AI Pro or AI Premium, it also comes with YouTube Premium Lite for free and it comes with Google Health for free. Premium Lite, yeah, it's newer, it's a newer thing.
30:09 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
30:10 Speaker 01 Less ads.
30:11 Andrew Manganelli? I am, and I think we need to give Google credit that. They made a product that is really, really good without the subscription and the subscription maybe gives you some super niche things, but like usually they're like, here's all the niche things and we're gonna, the one or two
30:26 David Imel? Right.
30:27 Andrew Manganelli? super critical things in there that you're actually paying a ton of money for and we can make it super expensive because AI, but like
30:33 David Imel? Here's like 99% of the things you would want are in the included.
30:36 Andrew Manganelli? Are in the thing. I think most people should have this without the subscription.
30:39 Speaker 01 That is what I think Whoop should do moving forward.
30:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
30:42 Speaker 01 I think they should offer a bunch of stuff just by default for free. And then if you really want their hardcore tracking, which a lot of people do, if you're getting a Whoop, then that's what you pay for.
30:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, well, Whoop's too busy trying to give out a bunch of free memberships to Anus cards or whatever and IPO, but like
30:57 David Imel? Another big reason why I think the Fitbit is such a good deal is because it just exposes how bad of a deal the Whoop is right now.
31:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, it also
31:03 David Imel? Yeah.
31:04 Andrew Manganelli? It's half the thickness.
31:06 David Imel? Yeah, it's also smaller and thinner.
31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:09 Andrew Manganelli? Just the comparisons on wrists is like, why would you ever wear the Whoop? That this looks so much nicer. I haven't worn it yet. I think I am gonna
31:16 David Imel? I'm really excited for the third-party ecosystem that makes like bicep straps and chest straps.
31:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned, because there's a ton of accessories for the others and the Whoop especially, but it's just the wristbands for this right now.
31:27 David Imel? Yeah.
31:27 Speaker 01 But obviously being thinner and lighter and smaller, I feel like people are gonna want to put this on the bicep or whatever, the chest strap, all the other accessories will be
31:35 David Imel? Because the actual puck on this is very, very tiny.
31:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:38 David Imel? Yeah, so
31:39 Speaker 01 It's great.
31:39 Andrew Manganelli? One thing I've been thinking about is this isn't really a new product.
31:42 David Imel? Nope.
31:43 Andrew Manganelli? This is just a Fitbit.
31:44 David Imel? Yeah.
31:45 Andrew Manganelli? I had this 10 years ago.
31:46 David Imel? Yeah.
31:46 Andrew Manganelli? They just released a new band and everyone's losing their mind.
31:48 Speaker 01 No screen, no time.
31:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
31:50 David Imel? Yes.
31:50 Andrew Manganelli? Well, that's what happens when your competitor is scamming people essentially.
31:54 David Imel? Well, it's also funny that the original Fitbits didn't have screens and then we slowly moved towards screens as wearables became more popular because then I was like, cool, smartwatches, smartwatches. And now everyone's like, ah, notifications, notifications, I don't want those.
32:05 Speaker 01 New concept of a screenless wearable.
32:07 David Imel? Yeah, everything is a flat circle, so.
32:09 Andrew Manganelli? Can I give my couple wishes for 2.0?
32:12 David Imel? Sure.
32:13 Andrew Manganelli? Because I think I am going to get one of these, but this is what I want.
32:15 Speaker 03 Air 2.0 or Google Health App 2.0?
32:18 Andrew Manganelli? Fitbit Air 2.0 because some of these are hardware things. Uh, no, maybe they could. Okay. I know I'm a broken record saying I want notifications. I think it's, it has the vibration motor already.
32:28 Speaker 01 Wait, for the air?
32:29 David Imel? You want notifications?
32:30 Speaker 01 Notifications for a screenless fitness tracker?
32:32 Andrew Manganelli? I just want to, okay, all of you guys need to just let me say this.
32:36 Speaker 01 Wait, okay.
32:37 Andrew Manganelli? Sometimes I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So it should just, if it buzzes on my wrist, I have a phone call. That's so simple and so easy and it can do it.
32:47 David Imel? I guess that's okay.
32:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, easy. Or the little notification thing just blinks. Then it's just like every once in a while, I'm like, oh, that's blinking on. It has an LED light that can blink. That only blinks for pairing, right?
32:59 Speaker 01 And battery.
33:00 Andrew Manganelli? And battery, but like that should be able to blink and just see like, cool, I have some text messages. I can look at my phone later.
33:06 David Imel? Okay.
33:06 Andrew Manganelli? Seems super simple.
33:09 Andrew Manganelli? The, the app, uh, live metric screen needs heart rate zones.
33:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:14 Andrew Manganelli? It would be really sick if in the, in the future, it had like a couple LEDs on the side that were different colors and could just show live upper heart rate zones on the, the side of the watch.
33:23 Speaker 01 It's actually close to a deal breaker for me that the live HIIT workout does not show you what heart rate zone.
33:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yes. I think so many people, especially now, target heart rate zones during workouts. Especially cardio workouts.
33:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:35 Speaker 03 Wait, even on the phone?
33:36 Andrew Manganelli? The phone doesn't show the graph. It does show a heart rate, but it doesn't show zones or anything.
33:41 David Imel? Okay.
33:42 Andrew Manganelli? Um, and then this is so niche, but I use my watch so often to find my phone when I'm misplaced. So if there's some sort of a gesture that could make my phone ring.
33:51 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
33:51 Andrew Manganelli? That would be awesome.
33:52 Speaker 01 That didn't go off by accident all the time.
33:54 Andrew Manganelli? That would be the biggest issue and probably why that will never happen.
33:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:57 Andrew Manganelli? But I'm a.
33:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:58 Speaker 03 While we're wishing, give me, give me Google Pay.
34:02 Speaker 01 NFC.
34:03 Andrew Manganelli? NFC thing.
34:04 Speaker 03 No screen, Google Pay.
34:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, while we're adding things, how about a screen?
34:09 David Imel? I just want to know the time. I just want to look and see the time.
34:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:12 Andrew Manganelli? I've, I've gone past the, I'm fine with it not having time.
34:15 Speaker 01 Okay.
34:16 David Imel? Cool. No time.
34:17 Speaker 01 Random one last question. Do you think Apple should make a screenless fitness tracker?
34:20 David Imel? Yes.
34:21 Speaker 01 Alongside the Apple Watch?
34:22 David Imel? Dude, if they made like a thin one, because Fitbit used to make like a thin sort of like stylish one. I think if Apple did, that would be game over.
34:28 Andrew Manganelli? Initially, this is why I've been going so hard down this road was because I wanted Apple specifically to make one. Because I loved using the Apple Watch and Apple Health and everything, but I didn't like wearing an Apple Watch.
34:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:39 Andrew Manganelli? So I wanted just another little band, like the Nike Fuel band from back in the day.
34:43 Speaker 01 I think if you really want to cook Whoop, like they have all of the bones to make the ideal, like privacy focused. Your data never leaves the device. You don't have to have a screen, but it's connected to your phone, obviously, because it's an Apple fitness tracker. So probably will tell you when you have notifications, but it'll also be the sleek one, the cool one. It'll be lightweight. It'll have a ton of accessories because it's Apple and everyone makes a bunch of accessories. They have the ability.
35:05 David Imel? Yeah.
35:05 Speaker 01 And potentially revamping the Google Health app with this new Apple Intelligence, obviously powered by Gemini, but potentially giving you some tips and, you know, stand hours, closing your rings, but maybe a little more personalization. They can do something like that.
35:17 David Imel? Yeah.
35:18 Speaker 01 But Apple Watch is Apple Watch.
35:20 David Imel? Apple's always been big about the glanceable style too. So if you can just like see that someone's wearing.
35:25 Speaker 01 A little, little white knit band on everybody's wrist.
35:28 David Imel? Yeah.
35:29 Speaker 01 It's like, yeah.
35:29 Andrew Manganelli? I think this Fitbit Air, one of the biggest things about it is we're already seeing Garmin potentially coming out with it. Like, I think this is starting to like, guys, all of us make these sensors already. We can literally just make them with less money. Like, they're all realizing, like, we can make a ton of money off of this. And Whoop is probably not just scared of Fitbit, but they're scared of the fact that everyone else realizes that they can make these.
35:53 Speaker 01 There is still an opportunity, a market opportunity, and I've thought about making this of someone making a watchband for regular watches that just happens to have the tracking sensors on the bottom of the watchband.
36:04 David Imel? People have been, at least on my feed, trying to do this already.
36:07 Speaker 01 They've been slapping that on Whoop.
36:08 Andrew Manganelli? I've been tagged like five times with pictures like that already.
36:11 Speaker 01 But they look kind of bad and they, and also the sensors on the bottom when it's supposed to be on the top of your wrist. But if someone built it around the bottom of your wrist, you know, it'd be better.
36:19 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just not going to do a strength workout with a Omega Speedman.
36:23 Speaker 01 No, I know. I know. But like for the everyday tracking of like, you know, that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff. One last thing, I have talked to a lot of regular, non-techy people about this. The number one feature that made them actually excited to maybe possibly buy one of these is the fact that it can vibrate as an alarm.
36:43 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, I do really.
36:45 David Imel? Alarm's nice.
36:45 Speaker 01 Because if you like,
36:46 Andrew Manganelli? Wrist alarm is awesome.
36:47 Speaker 01 If you like, sleep in the same bed as another person and you don't want to wake them up with your alarm, just having that go off is like really nice. Also, it has a feature where because it's tracking your sleep, it'll detect when you come out of a sleep cycle.
37:00 David Imel? Yeah.
37:00 Speaker 01 And within a 30 minute area of variability, it will wake you up when it's an optimal time to wake up.
37:05 Andrew Manganelli? That's pretty common on those alarms with trackers.
37:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, which I think the A sleep does too. And I, when it wakes, when it wakes me up right as I'm coming out of sleep cycle, I'm like, yeah, but I'm levitating.
37:17 David Imel? I immediately rolled over and went back to sleep. I was like, absolutely.
37:20 Speaker 01 You look at a timer like 20 minutes early, bro, what?
37:22 Andrew Manganelli? I feel, you know, wrist alarms are awesome, except for you can be 10% awake and turn it off really easily.
37:28 Speaker 01 That was my problem. It's so easy to dismiss by just tapping it. And that's not snooze, that's dismiss. So it's gone.
37:36 David Imel? Yeah.
37:36 Speaker 01 So you gotta be careful.
37:37 David Imel? Well, a lot of regular people are very excited about that feature, so.
37:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
37:40 David Imel? Anyway, um, yeah, I really, really can't wait until they make new bands for this and I can, you know, hide it and wear a normal watch. It'd be great.
37:47 Speaker 01 For those of you who are wondering after my review, if I've continued using the Fitbit, you might have noticed that I am holding the Fitbit, but I'm still wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch. I am so torn about what I want to do about this. I don't know what I want to finish off like my fitness journey with.
38:01 Andrew Manganelli? Whoop underwear.
38:03 Speaker 01 I, I'm like, I'm like deep into the like calibration stuff with the Whoop.
38:11 David Imel? What? They make Whoop underwear.
38:12 Andrew Manganelli? They're like fitness tracking undies?
38:14 Speaker 01 It's underwear that has a little, it has a little special pocket to put the Whoop puck in.
38:19 David Imel? Yeah.
38:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's messed up.
38:20 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say, I think you should at least let Whoop's configuration figure you out.
38:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'll finish the rest of the, you know, full calibration or whatever, but I'm like, do I want to get rid of my Apple Watch? I really like being able to check the time on my wrist. Super simple. And I really like getting notifications on my wrist. And I don't know if I can get rid of those two things. But I also don't think I want to wear both of these, so.
38:42 David Imel? It's hard.
38:43 Andrew Manganelli? I think you're gonna stick with the Apple Watch?
38:45 Speaker 01 I think that's most likely. I think honestly what's probably gonna happen is I'll get to the end of the Whoop, uh, calibration and then I'll look at the subscription apps for the Apple Watch that can do almost the same thing. That like Whoop is suing, so I know they're pretty close.
38:56 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. People have been talking about that. They've been saying that that app that's getting sued by Whoop for having like similar like looking metrics apparently makes the Apple Watch like basically a Whoop.
39:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, they're pretty expensive. They've apparently the price has gone up. It's a hundred dollars a year for Bevel. Athletic is like 30 bucks a year. That that is such a primo like a price for an app. It's like
39:20 David Imel? Yeah.
39:20 Andrew Manganelli? two or three dollars a month.
39:21 David Imel? Whoop has started to attempt to make their their pricing better value. Like they added basically a Fitbit type like workout tracker inside of the Whoop thing now. So it will tell you what exercises to do in real time. Because I pay, I think it's like 80 dollars a year for Fitbit. So they need to add value because if they don't keep adding value like that, then it's a horrible deal.
39:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah.
39:43 David Imel? That's the thing. I hope most comes from all this is Whoop fixing, adjusting their hardware so that it's less of a thick band and adjusting their subscription pricing and maybe not being a brick if you unsubscribe.
39:54 Andrew Manganelli? That's the number one.
39:55 David Imel? That would be nice.
39:56 Andrew Manganelli? For me.
39:57 David Imel? Forget the IPO. Just work on that.
39:58 Andrew Manganelli? IPO is crazy.
39:59 David Imel? Cool. All right. Well, we have a lot more to talk about with the, I think we should do the Luce after the break because there's plenty to talk about with the electric Ferrari. But before we get to that, we should do some trivia.
40:12 David Imel? Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard and I just kept like, you know, when you just calm yourself down and it goes to the back of your head.
40:18 Andrew Manganelli? I heard that it gets stuck there.
40:20 Speaker 04 Uh, later in the show, we're going to talk about some Motorola news. They're back in it. Uh, so I wanted this first question to be about.
40:27 David Imel? They never left.
40:28 Speaker 04 They never.
40:29 Andrew Manganelli? The story is not they're back?
40:31 Speaker 04 No, yeah, yeah. The story is this, well, you know.
40:34 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, sorry.
40:35 Speaker 04 No spoilers. However.
40:37 David Imel? Okay.
40:37 Speaker 04 First trivia question about Motorola. Because when we think of Motorola, we immediately think of the late aughts, the early 2010s. We think of phones like the Motorola Droid and Droid 2 and eventually Droid 3.
40:50 David Imel? The Razr.
40:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, Razr.
40:52 Speaker 04 And the Razr. Wow, I can't believe I left that out. However.
40:54 Andrew Manganelli? You were three.
40:55 Speaker 04 One.
41:02 Speaker 04 Yes. However, there is one really noteworthy Motorola phone from that era that does not get brought up enough. And the reason it is noteworthy is because it was the first phone that I could find that had both a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP67 rating.
41:18 Speaker 01 Oh.
41:20 Speaker 04 This phone was from 2010, I want to say. What phone was it?
41:26 Speaker 01 Oh, the first Motorola phone with a multi-touch touchscreen and IP67 rating.
41:32 Speaker 04 It's, I believe it's the first phone I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen. And, uh, let me rephrase that. It's the first smartphone that I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen and IP67 rating. I say that because I wouldn't be surprised if there was some like, construction workers' Palm Pilot special edition.
41:49 Speaker 01 It's not the Droid, is what you're saying.
41:51 Speaker 04 It's not the Droid. It is not the Droid.
41:53 Speaker 01 Okay, I have an idea. 2010 is the hint. So we'll think about that. We'll find out the answer at the end, like usual, and we'll be right back.
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45:37 Speaker 01 And boy, oh boy, has everyone been talking about this new car. It was unveiled. We get this like official design unveiling video from Ferrari. This is the international trip that I couldn't tell you guys about, that I'm now finally able to disclose, that I also went to Italy, drove this car before it was unveiled. It was actually a finished prototype that I got to drive, which had a lot of, what's it called?
46:03 David Imel? Wrapping.
46:03 Speaker 01 Camouflage all over it.
46:05 Andrew Manganelli? That explains why you disappeared for a few days. We were like, where the hell's Marquez?
46:08 Speaker 01 I was overseas. And then I got to see the final design and walk through that with the designers. Johnny Ive and Mark Newsom literally walked me around the car for 45 minutes and explained everything. And then they handed me a DJI Osmo and they were like, go ahead.
46:21 Andrew Manganelli? That's my favorite part of the whole thing.
46:23 Speaker 01 What? So that's something not a lot of people have talked about, but the event behind this was, I mean, super, super, super weird and secretive. This is like the apple of car companies, I guess, in that you had to sign an NDA, obviously. Part of the NDA was if you are responsible for the leak, you owe like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
46:42 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, really?
46:43 David Imel? Oh, my God.
46:43 Speaker 01 Yes.
46:44 Andrew Manganelli? That's so much more intense than.
46:45 Speaker 01 They walk you in. When you get to this, this super distant track, like we flew into Milan and then it's like an hour and a half into some, some fields, like total middle of nowhere feeling. And as soon as you get there, they're like, take your phone out of your pocket and they just start taping over all of the cameras on your phone. Kind of like what Samsung used to do. They would tape all of.
47:03 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I remember that.
47:03 Speaker 01 I came in there with five phones expecting to shoot an autofocus video and they're like, tape, tape, tape, tape. No. Shooting on your phones. They're like, we have a camera crew. We have cameras. You use our cameras. And then we'll send you the footage when we're ready.
47:16 Andrew Manganelli? My gosh, that's crazy.
47:18 Speaker 01 So all of this to me speaks, it's like yellow flag territory. It's a little bit insecure, but it's also like they clearly don't want anything to leak. Because they need to control the narrative around this design because it is very different for them.
47:29 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
47:30 Speaker 01 Uh, so extremely secretive.
47:31 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like it feels more red flag because we've seen it, but I'm fine with the company taking some serious precautions as to not leaking because I'm. Everything just gets spoiled. This was like an actual reveal.
47:41 Speaker 01 It was. It was, it was really like a true surprise. And boy, was it a surprise. So the car comes out. I dropped the autofocus video, which I have all this information about the rest of the car, which almost doesn't matter because all anyone is talking about is the design, the interior and the exterior. This is a fully electric car designed by not a car designer. It's designed by Love From, which as I mentioned, Johnny Ive, Mark Newsen, and a bunch of people that were brought from the original like Apple design team who worked on things like the iPhone. And the original like Apple product that you guys are familiar with today. And so there's a lot of very never before seen features in the car, never before seen design elements of the car.
48:28 Speaker 01 And the internet has been talking nonstop about how ugly they think it is. Now I, I can give you guys my take on the design.
48:36 Andrew Manganelli? Can I also have a take? Design for some people who might not have seen it first?
48:40 Speaker 01 Okay, yes. I can describe the design. So it is a five seater, uh, like midsize crossover sized EV. And it is the size of like a Mazda MX five or like a Polestar three. You've brought, you know, BYD, like there's a bunch of crossovers the same size.
48:59 Andrew Manganelli? Crossover Ferrari.
48:59 Speaker 01 But there is, uh, the front of it has this really big front spoiler. And this really, uh, smooth glass that sort of cuts under the front spoiler. And then this like shark gills type of look in the front.
49:12 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
49:12 Speaker 01 The headlights are under the hood. It's kind of, it's a unique front. The back. Has these, uh, these big circular taillights, which is maybe the only reference to Ferrari DNA. But then also looks like it's like being swallowed by a larger like rest of the car.
49:27 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
49:28 Speaker 01 Big glass canopy. You've seen the interior probably by now, but yeah, it's a is a very like blob EV design that we've seen many times and we'll get into my take on the design before, but it is not like a particularly exotic or pretty looking car.
49:46 David Imel? Yeah.
49:47 Speaker 01 So the internet sees that. They see the $640,000 starting price tag and proceed to absolutely burn this car for the next four days on the internet. What do you guys think? What do you think of the Ferrari Luce?
50:03 David Imel? I think the blue makes me wanna jump off a building. The blue? The the red is by far the best color.
50:10 Andrew Manganelli? You're looking, hold on, you just did what I did where I was like, wait, this angle looks pretty good. And then you click in and it says, this render just shows how easy it could have been to make this look good. And it's not the real.
50:21 David Imel? Nevermind, it all looks bad.
50:22 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it um.
50:24 David Imel? No.
50:25 Andrew Manganelli? I like, I mean, I can jump kind of into my final thought because this car made by a cheaper company at $60,000, I think would look great. But like this car with the Ferrari DNA and this super secretive launch and like the teasers of like Leclerc and Hamilton looking at it and going like, ooh, ah, and making it seem like it's gonna be this incredible Ferrari is rough. My other take is Johnny Ive just made a bunch of interior things because that's what he's good at. And then just said, ChatGPT, grab the exterior for me.
50:58 David Imel? I think that I think people were having ChatGPT make the exterior and it looked better than this.
51:03 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
51:04 David Imel? Yeah. This is what happens when you like have a phone design that some designer worked for like five years on it. It's beautiful and it's like curved and perfect. And you put an Otterbox case on it. That's what it looks like. Someone put an Otterbox case on a Ferrari.
51:17 Andrew Manganelli? I've been comparing it to like the Mach-E, whereas
51:20 David Imel? Mach-E.
51:20 Andrew Manganelli? I think the Mach-E is a good car.
51:23 David Imel? Yeah.
51:23 Andrew Manganelli? And I don't dislike the design, but I think when you call it the Mustang for whatever reason they decide to, everyone comes at it expecting a Mustang. So this is that times 10. When the Ferrari people are are spending seven times more than a Mustang, like
51:38 David Imel? Yeah.
51:39 Andrew Manganelli? this is just that. exemplified and that's why it's so much louder that everyone hates this I think like like if this was an 80,000 a 60 to 80,000 dollar car with like decent range and everything people would be like this is kind of unique and cool.
51:54 David Imel? It's unbelievably do you do you think that it's ugly on purpose because then when rich people have it because that that's that's the way fashion is sometimes.
52:02 Speaker 01 Hmm. Yeah, I think.
52:04 David Imel? You think there's anything to that?
52:05 Speaker 01 All right. Here's how here's what I really think, right?
52:08 Speaker 01 There are no there are honestly really no good two door electric cars like sports cars. Like as a sports car, there's a lot of sports cars out there. The whole idea of a sports car is to be engaged with it, obviously being lightweight and feeling like you're in control of the thing the whole time. Then you try to make an electric one and your first task is to put the battery somewhere. And in a tiny, a tiny two door car, there is simply not enough room to put a good enough size battery to make it like a reasonable car. And even if you did, they always have to put it at the bottom because it's so heavy. And that room between the axles is precious. You put a battery there, then you move the driver up, everything moves up. It just becomes way too cramped. There's not enough room to make a good battery with today's tech in a tiny two door car. So they have to go bigger.
52:51 David Imel? Okay.
52:52 Speaker 01 So what because you know Porsche Taycan's four doors.
52:54 David Imel? That's what I'm looking at right now.
52:55 Speaker 01 Every electric sports car you're thinking of is four doors. It's a bigger car.
52:59 David Imel? For sure.
52:59 Speaker 01 The Taycan, the Vizac pack literally has no back seats. It's a four door car. You open the back doors. There's no seats. They just needed room to put all of that stuff.
53:08 David Imel? They should have done that for this, though.
53:10 Speaker 01 So they have to go bigger. So what do they do? They decide, all right, Ferrari, we already make a Purosangue. We're going to make something the same size roughly this this midsize crossover thing. And we're going to put the battery in the bottom and design around that. Your choice is now, do you want to make this an aggressive, like exotic looking car the way other Ferraris have been?
53:31 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
53:31 Speaker 01 But not quite as much.
53:33 Andrew Manganelli? Correct.
53:33 Speaker 01 Or do you want to fully? Do you want to fully embrace the fact that this is already so different from every other Ferrari? It's electric, it's silent, it is something super, super new. Do you want to continue to embrace the brand new and do something brand new with the design?
53:48 Andrew Manganelli? No.
53:49 Speaker 01 And that was the choice that they made.
53:50 Andrew Manganelli? Correct.
53:51 Speaker 01 Now, I think we all know that if Ferrari had made this look like every other older Ferrari, it would have gone way better than this. We all know that those cars look great.
54:01 Andrew Manganelli? I was worried you were going to go with that, but yes.
54:03 Speaker 01 We all know that that, and everyone at Ferrari knows that. Everyone at Ferrari knows that everyone loves those older designs. It would have been much lower risk to do one of those older designs. Even the Pro Sangue, you know, not everybody, not everybody from Ferrari loves that, but it's, you know, it's at least kind of still sort of a Ferrari looking car.
54:18 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
54:18 Speaker 01 What they end up doing instead is they work with Love From and Johnny Ive's team, who everyone kind of knows came from Apple and did some legendary products there. And we've ended up with this, this sort of more aero-focused thing, which has almost no reference to any other older Ferrari, which I think is intentional. I think they're going, this is new, make it look like an exotic electric car, not an exotic gas car. And I, you know, the more I look at this car, I'm not going to say it looks good. It looks really different. And a lot of angles look really bad, but a lot of angles also look, it's not the worst looking car I've ever seen.
54:56 Andrew Manganelli? I don't hate it.
54:57 Speaker 01 It's not a terrible looking car. And so what I keep coming back to is almost everything wrong about this car comes from the fact that one, it is a Ferrari, and two, it is $600,000.
55:09 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, exactly.
55:10 Speaker 01 If this was, hear me out, a $180,000 Lucid, we would all be totally fine with it.
55:17 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know, that's true.
55:18 Speaker 01 Because Lucids are not pretty. Like, a lot of these other EVs.
55:21 Andrew Manganelli? What?
55:22 Speaker 01 I like the Lucid. All right, Polestar, all right, a BYD, like, think of any random other blob. The Mercedes EQS, there are some ugly whale-looking EVs out there.
55:30 Andrew Manganelli? I agree with that.
55:30 Speaker 01 And nobody says anything about those. And so if this is one of those, it's fine.
55:35 Andrew Manganelli? I think the Mach-E is a fair comparison to this, right?
55:37 Speaker 01 So the Mach-E, I think, is interesting because exactly the Ferrari part is what you're talking about, yeah. Which is like, when you have a Ferrari badge on something, there is the expectation of it to be a Ferrari, and it's stronger than ever with that brand. Because there's a long history of all the racing and the motorsport and all of the Ferrari designs that people love, the posters on the wall from the 90s, the 2000s. And so everyone is Expecting, oh, okay, it's Ferrari. They're gonna do something really, really great that maybe we've never seen before. And then it's this blob and we're like, oh, that's not what I thought.
56:07 David Imel? Yeah.
56:08 Speaker 01 And then the $600,000 is the same thing. Oh, it's, it's gonna be a half a million dollar car. Oh, therefore it must be at like some highest level, amazing, best possible design. So when this doesn't meet that, it falls way, way, way, way, way short. Like I said, if this was $150,000, not Ferrari, this doesn't fall nearly as short on design or specs or anything else. And all we're talking about is how, oh, there's another kind of a blob looking EV out there.
56:33 David Imel? It's like a shark.
56:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, looks like a fish.
56:35 Andrew Manganelli? Can I argue back on your, if it needs a battery, it has to be aero, it has to look like this, blah, blah, blah?
56:41 Speaker 01 Oh, yes.
56:42 Andrew Manganelli? I just don't think it does. I just don't think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be practical. And I think it's totally fine if this was like a sick Ferrari.
56:50 Speaker 01 With 100.
56:50 Andrew Manganelli? That had 100 miles of range that could
56:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
56:53 Andrew Manganelli? Get you from your house to the restaurant. You want to see everyone, you want everyone to see you show up at or like do the couple of track.
57:00 Speaker 01 So I actually agree. And I think, I think Ferrari probably also went down this route too. Where they're like, what if we don't go fully, fully, fully different? What if we go halfway there? It's already electric. That's crazy enough. Let's play it safe with everything else. Okay, it's really aggressive in aero and so the range is gonna be garbage, but like, who cares? It's a Ferrari. Like, you're not driving this every day. Why, since when did anyone care about the efficiency of a sports car? Like, that's totally a reasonable way to think about this. And I think they ended up going away from that, probably because they just chose, they were like trying to pick one of their battles. They're like, do we, do we make this car that every Ferrari person is going to hate? Because it's an electric version that sort of bastardizes the Ferrari design?
57:42 Speaker 01 Or do we just do something totally different so that the electric stuff is grouped in with this new design? And it's just so different, it doesn't even resemble a Ferrari in the slightest. It's a totally new thing. And they're also thinking about buyers. And Ferrari people who are buying all the other gas Ferraris and who care about the V12 and the V10 and those other powertrains.
58:02 David Imel? Yeah.
58:03 Speaker 01 Are, for the first time, completely not in the target demographic of a new Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a new, potentially younger, potentially more international buyer who wasn't going to buy any of those other Ferraris.
58:17 David Imel? Buys ugly stuff because that's the point.
58:19 Andrew Manganelli? I don't want to cut Ellis off.
58:20 Speaker 01 Who buys, who buys maybe more electric, is more interested in technology and maybe sees Johnny Ive designed it and goes, oh yeah, this is, this speaks to me more than whatever Italian name you were going to put in front of me before. That is the slightly newer buyer.
58:37 Speaker 01 So I think Ferrari is thinking about all of this new, new, new and is just leaning fully on new, new, new, different, nothing old at all. That's, that's how he ended up here.
58:47 Speaker 04 Marquez, I have an idea seed to plant in your brain.
58:49 Speaker 01 Please.
58:50 Speaker 04 Cause I, and me saying this out loud will guarantee I will never be invited to a single Ferrari thing for the rest of my life.
58:56 Speaker 01 I think I'm already banned too.
58:57 Speaker 04 I don't think this is entirely new because when I see the design of the car, it makes me think of a bunch of the late 60s and entire, all through the 70s Lambos. Like if you're familiar with like the Lambo Mura and Lambo.
59:11 Speaker 01 Those are so angular though.
59:12 Speaker 04 No, no, look up the, the Lamborghini Harambe is what it's called, the J.
59:17 Andrew Manganelli? Harambe?
59:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, or like the, the Lamborghini Uraco or like the, the 70s really smooth ones before you get to the angular Countach. To me, if you combine like the Mura, the Harambe and the Uraco and then take like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that in there. It like becomes.
59:36 Speaker 01 It's pretty angular though, I'd say. I see what you're saying. I just, I, this is so much more of like, I described it in my short as like, if a BYD ate a Ferrari. And, and at first you laugh because like, why would anyone spend $600,000 on a BYD? But they make the best electric cars in the world right now. They sell a lot of cars. And if you're, you're going to compete in like, who's going to make the best electric car? Okay, this is, I, I drove it. I can't talk about me driving it yet, but I, I think it's pretty clear they're targeting this being one of the best driving electric cars. It's not the best straight line speed because it's not the lightest. You have Plaid, you have Lucid Air Sapphire.
1:00:16 Speaker 01 But I mean, they took me to a track to drive it. So that should say something about how they aim for, you know, positioning of this, this car. It's still a driving experience. It's still a Ferrari drive. So it is like the sportiest, most luxurious version of the BYD.
1:00:32 Andrew Manganelli? Can I?
1:00:34 Andrew Manganelli? You might not know the answer to this question, and I might be kind of wrong, but in general, to buy a Ferrari, you have to have owned Ferraris already, right?
1:00:41 Speaker 01 No, so that's, that is definitely a common thing that people talk about online. It's to buy certain more premium Ferraris.
1:00:47 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. Cause when the whole argument is like, no one who owns Ferraris is gonna want this, if they're the only ones who can buy it, it feels like, it feels like to me, though, as someone who's like, if you like all the things that Ferrari makes right now, you probably don't like this.
1:01:03 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:01:03 Andrew Manganelli? But also, like, if you're the kind of person who's really looking forward to buy a Ferrari because you want to have like the Ferrari clout that's involved with it.
1:01:12 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:01:13 Andrew Manganelli? This also is not that, so I'm very confused at who is the person that's buying this.
1:01:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:18 Andrew Manganelli? It's not cheap.
1:01:19 Speaker 01 It's not cheap.
1:01:20 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's
1:01:20 Speaker 01 500,000.
1:01:21 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's too expensive. It makes so much more sense to just buy a really sick, nice sports car, like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and then also buy like a Lucid.
1:01:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:32 Andrew Manganelli? If you want an E3.
1:01:33 Speaker 04 A three bedroom house.
1:01:35 Speaker 01 I do think they, somewhere along the line, ended up at this being the most dailyable, most practical, most comfortable Ferrari, and no one was asking for that.
1:01:44 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, no one.
1:01:45 Speaker 01 But that is technically what this is, and so there it is.
1:01:48 Andrew Manganelli? I wish I had a jet ski that could fit six people.
1:01:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's like, that's how it feels. It's a little crazy, but you know what's funny? I talked about this again in the short.
1:01:59 Speaker 01 Let's say this happens with Porsche, right? Everyone who loves motorsport and loves Porsches loves the GT4s and the GT3s and the 911s, right? We all care about the sports cars, but as Porsche was approaching literal bankruptcy, they're like, well, we gotta try the other thing, and now there's the Macan and the Cayenne and these like crossovers that do way more volume in the sports cars, and that For a long time, has been making enough money for them to develop the sports cars too. And Porsche people kind of just went, I guess that's necessary. I'm not gonna buy one, but I get why people do buy that. The soccer mom, the suburban housewife like has to get one of these. Alright, great.
1:02:41 Speaker 01 That makes us more money. Now we can keep doing the sports car thing. Same thing with Lamborghini.
1:02:46 Speaker 03 These aren't any of those things though.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 The same thing with Lamborghini. No, I'm saying the form factor. I do think the price kind of fails this analogy. But the Lamborghini is the same thing. Like the Urus came out and it is $250,000. But it is the one with four or five seats or whatever, and you could sell that and still develop the more hardcore, less practical Lamborghinis. This could fit that analogy if it was also cheaper and was more attainable. I kind of wonder like, how many do they expect to actually sell? The Purosangue doesn't sell that well. This is more expensive than that.
1:03:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:22 Speaker 01 So if this was cheaper, I could see it fitting into that analogy of like, hey, it's a practical one. Like you might see this in your neighborhood.
1:03:28 David Imel? Is there anything crazy about the technology?
1:03:32 Speaker 01 A lot of the Ferrari engineering is in the under the hood design. Every single wheel has independent steering, independent suspension adjustment, and independent torque vectoring and power. So there's three motors per wheel, which is crazy. It's 1,000 horsepower. It does like this crazy active suspension. It does a whole lot of, I mean, you're driving it. It's actively keeping it flat, the torque vectoring.
1:03:54 David Imel? You got to drive it.
1:03:55 Speaker 01 Yeah. And you'll see a lot of, I mean, I'll talk about it in the video. I can't evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it. Trying to be, you know, cool with the embargo.
1:04:02 Speaker 03 This is like three times.
1:04:04 Speaker 01 But yes, it does drive, yeah, like a Ferrari. Supposed to.
1:04:07 David Imel? Okay.
1:04:08 Speaker 01 So, yeah.
1:04:09 Speaker 03 There's a thing too with like high-end watches. It's very similar where like a watch will come out. That's 300 grand. And it's like, okay, who the hell is gonna buy that? But as a watch person that doesn't play in that tax bracket, it is good to know that these things still exist. Like as a person who's enthusiastic about the mechanics and the stuff like that.
1:04:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:30 Speaker 03 And that's the vibe I'm getting with this. There's a lot in the car that I'm just glad that it exists in an electric car. And I want to see it trickle down to something else.
1:04:38 Speaker 01 I wonder for my analogy with like watches, and I just kind of used Rolex as my example because I don't know anything about watches. But like if Rolex made an Apple Watch competitor.
1:04:47 Speaker 03 A smart watch, yeah.
1:04:48 Speaker 01 How would that land with Rolex people?
1:04:50 Andrew Manganelli? Was square.
1:04:51 David Imel? That's such a great example.
1:04:53 Speaker 01 Like if they made just a watch with a battery and a screen, and they had some cool technology in it that maybe was different that you don't see in an Apple Watch, but it was also $200,000, like it doesn't match.
1:05:06 Andrew Manganelli? And one looked nothing like a Rolex.
1:05:08 Speaker 01 Compared to every other Rolex.
1:05:09 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:05:10 Speaker 01 Even if it's not the ugliest smartwatch of all time.
1:05:12 David Imel? Hmm.
1:05:13 Speaker 01 It's ugly for a Rolex.
1:05:14 David Imel? Right.
1:05:15 Andrew Manganelli? If it looked like a CMF watch.
1:05:17 Speaker 01 Exactly. That's what this Ferrari Luce feels like in the world of Ferraris. But if you take that badge off, and this is another-
1:05:25 Andrew Manganelli? I fully agree with you on that.
1:05:26 Speaker 01 This is another conspiracy, but maybe not even a conspiracy, is-
1:05:29 Andrew Manganelli? D-bag it?
1:05:30 Speaker 01 Think about, think about Apple for a second. Think about Apple for a second.
1:05:33 David Imel? Thinking about it?
1:05:34 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
1:05:34 Speaker 01 When they came out with the Vision Pro, what did they say? That took them a decade to make?
1:05:39 David Imel? Yeah.
1:05:39 Speaker 01 To like do all the engineering and the behind the scenes and the design and everything from the ground up for this VR headset, $3,500, a decade of secretive work, right?
1:05:47 David Imel? Yeah.
1:05:48 Speaker 01 Everyone kind of knows, open secret at this point, that Apple was developing a car for a long time, and then eventually canned it. And then Love from comes along and partners with Ferrari sometime around 2020, 2019, 2020, and makes this car from the ground up in six or seven years. I don't know if that's a normal timeline for developing a super expensive and like complex electric car, but it would seem to me that at least some of the DNA from a previous car project, from Johnny Ive and team, probably had to be a lot of the foundation for this car.
1:06:28 David Imel? I can see that.
1:06:29 Speaker 01 And so if you take that Ferrari badge off and put an Apple logo on the front, it doesn't seem that crazy, right?
1:06:37 David Imel? It still looks like a fish.
1:06:37 Speaker 01 It seems, it still looks like a fish. It still looks like a BYD8 Ferrari with those lights on the back.
1:06:43 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:43 Speaker 01 But it does feel a little, because now there's no heritage, there's no Ferrari expectations. It's just like, oh, Apple made a car? What does it look like? Oh, that's kind of weird. Looks kind of like a Magic Mouse. But, uh, yeah, it's kind of weird, I guess, but whatever. That's probably a little bit more in line with the reaction that we would have seen.
1:07:00 David Imel? Yeah.
1:07:00 Speaker 01 So I think there's a little Project Titan in this car.
1:07:03 David Imel? I will say that former Ferrari chairman Montezza Mollo said, "I cannot say what I really think. I would harm Ferrari. We risk the destruction of a legend. So sorry. Take the prancing horse off. At least the Chinese won't copy this car."
1:07:19 David Imel? I feel like he said what he thought.
1:07:20 Speaker 01 It was like the harshest.
1:07:22 Andrew Manganelli? There was just a couple slurs in there or something in terms of what he couldn't say.
1:07:25 Speaker 01 Hand gestures.
1:07:27 David Imel? Not very many people are happy and people are making very funny memes because in the introduction video they had of it, they had like these people who were really, really well dressed were sort of walking around looking at it and people are taking.
1:07:38 Speaker 01 Ferrari stuff.
1:07:39 David Imel? Yeah, people were taking screenshots of them being like, like kind of looking terrified. Just being like, what is this?
1:07:45 Speaker 03 I want the unfiltered thoughts of Charles Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton.
1:07:49 Speaker 01 Dude, okay, I can finally say this now, like when I went to shoot the F1 stuff in Miami the week after I was in Italy, just hanging around a lot of Ferrari people and all of them who'd found out that I'd driven the Luce were like, so what do you think? Like sort of nervously, like they all know.
1:08:09 David Imel? Oh.
1:08:10 Speaker 01 That it's a little bit crazy and they're trying to like, so what do you think? And I remember I, I kind of said a lot of the same stuff to them. I was like, yeah, it's interior is nice, but that it looks really different. And they're like, yeah, it does look very different. Like they would all agree.
1:08:25 Speaker 01 So they all know, like internally, they all know.
1:08:27 Speaker 03 I could neither confirm nor deny.
1:08:28 David Imel? Oh, God.
1:08:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm just so curious about like the structure of like how they, how do they decide to work with love from and have what feels like zero input on the entire car design?
1:08:39 Andrew Manganelli? Minus the like rear taillights?
1:08:41 Speaker 01 The taillights feel like something that love from took and put there so that it's a Ferrari technically, but like.
1:08:48 David Imel? Otherwise it's an Apple car.
1:08:49 Speaker 01 There is no other reference to any other Ferrari DNA other than the badge anywhere on this car.
1:08:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:08:54 Speaker 01 Nothing.
1:08:55 David Imel? You could have made this look like a MacBook Air and it would more look like a Ferrari than this.
1:08:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:08:59 David Imel? Because the MacBook Air at least has the wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris.
1:09:02 Speaker 01 There are some really interesting quirks on the external design. The windshield wipers are on the outside of the windshield because there's no cowl to like protect them. And there's like this smooth glass canopy down to the front nose of the car. So. Kind of like a Cybertruck, but like one on each side. Kind of insane, but odd. The headlights are also all smooth, so like that glass continues down to the front and and over the headlights, so they don't protrude at all. They're just like smooth with the body of the car.
1:09:34 David Imel? When you crack it, it's gonna cost you 200,000 dollars.
1:09:36 Speaker 01 Well, it's not one piece. It's just like smooth headlight glass and then continues smooth with the rest.
1:09:41 David Imel? Okay.
1:09:41 Speaker 01 So that's kind of interesting. The wheels, so they have this turbine looking wheel that I shot in my video and that you see everywhere else. I think it looks horrible, but it is what you see on a lot of other electric cars is like dinner plate sized wheels.
1:09:56 David Imel? So bad.
1:09:57 Speaker 01 With, because that's more aero efficient. This is the aero thing again, like they look bad, but how many times have I talked about it?
1:10:03 David Imel? Why do they need to be aerodynamic?
1:10:05 Speaker 01 Because, yeah, just different, just different. They don't have to. I don't think they have to. It's a Ferrari. I don't give two hoots about like what type of range. I'm not gonna drive it every day, but.
1:10:15 David Imel? If I didn't care about being aero efficient, I would just want an 80's hatchback to be my EV. That's all I want.
1:10:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, so they have, I still want that.
1:10:24 David Imel? Yes.
1:10:24 Speaker 01 I still want that.
1:10:25 Speaker 03 Are we gonna get one so you can drive around?
1:10:28 Speaker 01 One? Are we gonna like?
1:10:30 Speaker 03 At any point in the future.
1:10:31 Speaker 01 Our review unit?
1:10:32 Speaker 03 That exists.
1:10:33 Andrew Manganelli? Not after this episode.
1:10:34 Speaker 01 I would say that Ferrari probably doesn't love what anyone is saying about this car, but I just don't, I feel like they're gonna keep it.
1:10:43 David Imel? Why did they choose the colors they chose?
1:10:45 Speaker 01 I don't, look, if you look on their configurator.
1:10:48 David Imel? Light blue and yellow?
1:10:49 Speaker 01 If you look on their configurator, uh, change the paint colors. It can kind of look a little less ridiculous. I think that baby blue is pretty terrible.
1:10:57 David Imel? It's horrible.
1:10:58 Speaker 01 The blue, actually, the wheels are the most offensive part of the car to me. But if you get to that five spoke wheel design and like a darker color, it looks a little less offensive.
1:11:07 David Imel? On matte black? What? No way.
1:11:09 Speaker 01 This isn't black. This is blue. You're looking at my screen, this is blue.
1:11:12 David Imel? Well, this website for the configurator is really broken and bad.
1:11:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, the configurator is also.
1:11:17 David Imel? I can't believe they even let you configure this on the internet. I feel like you'd have to go somewhere and do it.
1:11:23 Speaker 01 Now they also want to buy it.
1:11:24 David Imel? These all look like something from like a 2008 PlayStation 2 video game.
1:11:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, but this is how car configurators look.
1:11:31 David Imel? Oh my god, it looks so bad.
1:11:33 Speaker 03 I think it's a pretty cool car.
1:11:36 Speaker 01 There it is.
1:11:37 Speaker 04 I do. I think it's cool in the front, and I think it's cool in the back, and I think it's cool in the inside, and I don't mind the wheels.
1:11:43 Speaker 01 The interior is, I don't even think, I feel like we haven't even talked about the interior.
1:11:48 David Imel? The interior is nice.
1:11:49 Speaker 01 But the interior is actually, and I want to make sure I'm not saying this wrong, it is the best interior of any electric car I've ever driven.
1:11:56 David Imel? Yeah, it looks nice.
1:11:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:59 Andrew Manganelli? There was a point in Cleo's video, which was really good, where she, and I noticed it on your video too, even though you didn't mention it, I don't think, but the bar on the tablet on the inside, it's not just like a handle to wiggle the screen around or whatever. You'd like naturally place your hand there, almost like a palm rest when you're interacting with the screen.
1:12:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:19 Andrew Manganelli? And I had never thought about that, and then any of these screens in any car. Like that little touch is so nice.
1:12:24 Speaker 01 It is in a couple cars that I've driven, it is perfect on this screen because it moves. But in my car, in the, in the 911, it's the same thing. Like every time I touch the screen, I always rest my hand in the same exact spot and then touch the screen, so I don't have to like think too hard. And this is probably because it moves, they decided to put the handle on it. Very clever.
1:12:41 Andrew Manganelli? My issue with that screen that can rotate, it's like a ball head, right? Like it can go up down.
1:12:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:48 Andrew Manganelli? It will never be level the first time you move it. You move it once and it will never be level again for the rest of its life.
1:12:53 Speaker 01 You gotta just pull it towards yourself and just, just.
1:12:56 Andrew Manganelli? I think I would have to carry a level in the car with me and just like fix it again. It would drive me insane. The key?
1:13:02 Speaker 01 So cool.
1:13:03 Andrew Manganelli? It's so cool. It's so unnecessary and so cool. That's the cool, fun little things that I'm here for.
1:13:10 Speaker 01 For anyone who hasn't seen the key, the key is this little rectangle, this magnetic light up rectangle with the Ferrari prancing horse on it.
1:13:16 Andrew Manganelli? Giant Ferrari logo on it.
1:13:18 Speaker 01 It's yellow. It's glowing yellow, and then you put it in this designated spot in the center console. It magnetizes to align with that center spot, and then you slowly push it into the center console until it's flush.
1:13:32 David Imel? You have to do this every time.
1:13:33 Speaker 01 What, I mean, this is like getting in, they decided like, instead of getting in a car, turning the key, and then the engine comes to life, you need like a come to life moment for this car. So you push it into the center console, that yellow light then transfers to the drive select.
1:13:45 Andrew Manganelli? So sick.
1:13:46 Speaker 01 And then you move that to drive, and then you're going. That.
1:13:49 Andrew Manganelli? It's like Indiana Jones, like finding an artifact and putting it in a wall.
1:13:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:54 David Imel? Yeah.
1:13:54 Andrew Manganelli? That's the kind of stuff that I mean. I can't wait for these little touches to trickle down into all of our cars.
1:13:59 Speaker 01 True.
1:13:59 David Imel? Yeah, Subaru would break the [__] out of it.
1:14:03 Speaker 01 I want to see that in the next RAV4, baby. Yeah, so there's some, there's some great interior details with this car and.
1:14:10 Speaker 03 I love that key because the logo is so big that you're like, you're out with your friends and the key is on the table and they're like, damn, you have a Ferrari.
1:14:16 Speaker 01 Oh, that's every Ferrari.
1:14:17 Speaker 03 Come check it out. And then they see they're like, never mind, I'm good.
1:14:20 Speaker 01 Dude, all the Ferrari keys are those same rectangle, just like.
1:14:23 Speaker 03 Really? They're just huge with the logo on it?
1:14:25 Speaker 01 And they always have like a little rectangle in the center console to put the key in, but this one is like, you know, the magnet and the light and all that.
1:14:30 Speaker 03 That's pretty sweet.
1:14:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm, we're gonna see one on the streets someday and we're all gonna go, oh, boy.
1:14:34 Speaker 03 I was thinking that the first time I see this on the street, I'm 100% stopping. Like, it is one of those.
1:14:40 Speaker 01 Do you think you're gonna see it on the street? I don't think I'm ever going to see this on the street.
1:14:43 Speaker 03 You'll see it at meatpacking.
1:14:44 Speaker 01 Not as much as, yeah, you'll see like once in a while. Like, you'll see a random Lamborghini sometimes.
1:14:48 Speaker 04 That's a, that's a neighborhood in New York. I feel like if you don't know Manhattan and you're just curious, you're like, no, we'll see it at meatpacking. That doesn't make any sense at all.
1:14:54 Speaker 01 There's meatpacking districts in other cities, too.
1:14:57 Speaker 04 Name one.
1:14:57 Speaker 01 Uh, Copenhagen.
1:14:58 Speaker 04 Oh.
1:14:59 Speaker 01 It's meatpacking. Got him.
1:15:00 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:15:00 Speaker 01 All right, last question for you guys. Last question on this design and try to think like far out future. Okay. But how do we think this will age? Because a lot of cars have an initial reception. That's one thing.
1:15:15 Speaker 01 And then six months later, a year later, five years later, it's something different.
1:15:20 Speaker 03 I don't know about six months, but I think in 20 years, it'll be nice. I think part of the reason why people don't like this car now currently is because it looks very much like all the other EVs that are coming out now.
1:15:33 Speaker 01 Blobs.
1:15:34 Speaker 03 Blobs. And I think Ferrari, when I picture Ferrari, it's the designs of the 80s and the 90s. Like, it is these.
1:15:40 Speaker 01 Pinferino.
1:15:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, like it is a beautiful angular beast.
1:15:45 Speaker 01 Aggressive, aero.
1:15:46 Speaker 03 And this is not that.
1:15:47 Speaker 01 Right.
1:15:47 Speaker 03 So I think right now, we're looking back on everything with such like, it's your, to your point, Marquez, like about the reminiscing on the past is like destroying everything.
1:15:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:56 Speaker 03 I think in 30 years, when we're reminiscing about this era of cars and designs and stuff like that, then maybe I'll look back on this fondly. But right now it looks like a whale.
1:16:05 David Imel? I disagree. And do you want to know why?
1:16:06 Speaker 03 Why?
1:16:07 David Imel? Do you remember the glossy computer monitors with giant bezels from the 2010s?
1:16:13 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:16:14 Speaker 04 The Apple Cinema displays.
1:16:15 David Imel? Those did not age well.
1:16:17 Speaker 01 Correct.
1:16:17 David Imel? And this car reminds me of those monitors.
1:16:20 Speaker 01 Really?
1:16:20 Speaker 04 Disagree. Yeah, what? Yeah, I think those aged like fine wine.
1:16:24 Speaker 01 I did.
1:16:25 Speaker 04 They look nice in a room. Sure, they might not like be like an optimal computer.
1:16:31 David Imel? Look nice in a room.
1:16:33 Speaker 04 They look nice in a room.
1:16:34 David Imel? This looks nice.
1:16:35 Andrew Manganelli? If you put a monitor display in that thing, absolutely.
1:16:38 David Imel? It looks nice in a room.
1:16:39 Speaker 01 I will say something that-
1:16:40 Speaker 04 No, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's, that's not an Apple Cinema Display.
1:16:42 David Imel? No, I didn't say Apple Cinema Display. I just said the glossy black computer monitor.
1:16:49 Speaker 04 That's different. The Apple Cinema Display has aged like fine wine.
1:16:51 David Imel? Yeah, it doesn't remind me an Apple Cinema Display.
1:16:54 Speaker 01 So you know what's funny? That ages like fine wine. The, a lot of people say this about Bugatti. They've made cars for a long time, and something they specifically do is avoid putting large displays in the cars. Philosophically, it's because that's not going to look new anymore in five years, or 10 years, or 50 years when these people still have these cars.
1:17:13 Speaker 03 Like putting an iPad in your house. Build it into the wall.
1:17:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. And so now, once you see that, you can't unsee the difference between a lot of these cars, keeping it very analog, or just going, you know what? Here's a 75-inch screen. Like, this is just an Escalade screen in your car.
1:17:27 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:28 Speaker 01 This Luce is curiously kind of right in the middle. Like, it blends the displays. It's hard, it's really hard to get on video, but it blends the displays and the physical materials really well. And I wonder how that's going to age.
1:17:42 David Imel? The interior looks amazing. Yeah, I think that'll age fine.
1:17:45 Andrew Manganelli? Did you see the tweet that just said, "Everyone thought the Cybertruck looked ugly when it was released?" And all the replies are like, "Everyone still thinks the exact same thing."
1:17:54 Speaker 01 Well, you know what's funny?
1:17:55 Andrew Manganelli? Which feels like what you're asking for.
1:17:56 Speaker 01 When the Cybertruck is interesting, because when the Cybertruck first came out, there was a brief, like, pop star moment where people were like, the first reaction wasn't, "Ew, a Cybertruck." The first reaction was like, "Holy cow, what is that spaceship thing?"
1:18:08 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
1:18:08 Speaker 01 And then it was ugly.
1:18:09 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:10 Speaker 01 And so this could have a, this could, hey, it could be the opposite.
1:18:13 Andrew Manganelli? But this is a little weirder because I think it does look a little too much like a Leaf or a Prius in a sense. So like, and it being a Ferrari is, it was cool when the Prius looked like a Lamborghini. It's not cool when the Ferrari looks like a Prius.
1:18:28 Speaker 01 That's exactly what-
1:18:29 David Imel? Yes.
1:18:30 Speaker 01 That's a perfect, perfect explanation of why this will probably age poorly.
1:18:34 David Imel? That was perfect.
1:18:34 Speaker 04 Can I compare it to one more vehicle that has, quote unquote, existed in the past? Are you guys familiar with the 2013 Matt Damon film, Elysium?
1:18:43 David Imel? Of course not.
1:18:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18:45 Speaker 04 Fair enough. There's the villain in that movie. A big part of that movie is going back and forth between Earth and then like this sort of floating paradise in space. And the villain, the villain spaceship is an officially branded Bugatti spaceship. And other than having the Bugatti logo, it looks, it has almost nothing to do with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an apt, apt metaphor.
1:19:11 Speaker 01 That's interesting. You know what that reminds me of? That spaceship from Lilo and Stitch.
1:19:15 David Imel? Hmm, yeah, it does.
1:19:17 Speaker 01 Yep, very bubbly.
1:19:18 Speaker 03 Okay, question for you.
1:19:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:19:20 Speaker 03 Did everyone want this to look like the Hyundai N Vision 74?
1:19:24 Speaker 01 I have a take about that. And this comes to, you remember we put in the Slack?
1:19:29 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:29 Speaker 01 You were like, if they just... Well, you put basically if they had just taken this old design.
1:19:35 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:35 Speaker 01 But just made it electric.
1:19:36 David Imel? 1980s hatchbacks or 1980s like square cars.
1:19:40 Speaker 01 And what'd you say? I would buy it? Everyone would buy it?
1:19:42 David Imel? I would buy it. I said, all I want is this.
1:19:46 Speaker 01 I think my take on just make the old design electric is the same as the small phones. Everyone online.
1:19:56 David Imel? I don't know, man.
1:19:57 Speaker 01 Agrees that they all like it. Universally positive. The 13 Mini, the 12 Mini, the Zen Phone, all these phones. Everyone, everyone who reviews them loves them.
1:20:10 David Imel? Hatchbacks are still functional, though.
1:20:11 Speaker 01 Everybody, well, I'm just saying, like, the small phones got universally positive praise online from reviews, from users, from everything.
1:20:19 David Imel? Yeah.
1:20:19 Speaker 01 Yet still, they all went extinct because not enough people actually bought them.
1:20:24 David Imel? Okay, but in the United States is the only place where we don't still make hatchbacks and like those kind of cars. Cause those are very popular in Europe.
1:20:33 Speaker 01 Ellis has brought in his iPhone 12 Mini.
1:20:35 Speaker 03 He ran out the room to go grab it.
1:20:36 Speaker 01 Damn, what a small phone. Universally beloved, right? But it doesn't exist anymore. It had two generations. And then not enough people bought it and Apple moved on to literally the opposite, the plus.
1:20:46 David Imel? But like hatchbacks and those kind of cars are still very popular in Europe. You know, and so they just need to electrify those. They just haven't electrified them yet.
1:20:55 Speaker 01 Well, I guess my take is not enough people would buy it.
1:20:59 David Imel? In America.
1:21:00 Speaker 01 You think if they made a, like a small hatchback?
1:21:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think like those are like the smaller hatchbacks, which now if we're going back to a cheaper car, then we do care about ranging.
1:21:09 Speaker 01 Cause the Taycan Cross Turismo exists. It's just not the old design.
1:21:12 David Imel? So if like a 1980's Mercedes, which I know they can't make because of like safety regulations and stuff like that.
1:21:18 Andrew Manganelli? I think you're talking more station wagon.
1:21:20 Speaker 01 Station wagon, sorry.
1:21:21 David Imel? Not a hatchback.
1:21:21 Speaker 01 Station wagon.
1:21:22 David Imel? Yeah.
1:21:22 Speaker 01 Old station wagon.
1:21:24 David Imel? Yes.
1:21:24 Speaker 01 But electric.
1:21:25 David Imel? Yes, 100%.
1:21:26 Speaker 04 This does exist in Europe.
1:21:28 Andrew Manganelli? That's what, yeah.
1:21:29 Speaker 04 There's the Audi Avant, I forget the AE6 maybe, and then there's the Volkswagen, the Touring ID, and then there's a number.
1:21:37 David Imel? But they still don't look, they still don't look like the old 1980's.
1:21:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, they still are more rounded and stuff. I just want that 1980's style. But it's such a common, what you're saying is a very common thread. Like when the new Volkswagen bus came out and it was like a revamped new design, everyone was like, but just make the old bus electric. But they didn't do it.
1:21:57 David Imel? Right.
1:21:57 Speaker 01 And I think it's because they know that everyone saying that, just says that, but then isn't going to.
1:22:02 Andrew Manganelli? That argument just falls flat because no one bought the new version either.
1:22:05 Speaker 01 And in Europe, they wouldn't have bought the old version.
1:22:07 David Imel? I saw a billion of them when I was in Europe last week. But also, the original bus had like one centimeter of metal between you and death. So I don't know if that's, you know, if they could really do the same thing.
1:22:20 Speaker 01 But like sentimentally, everyone loves the old designs. They all have a fond place in our hearts. So everyone's like, bring that back, make it electric, and I'd buy an electric car.
1:22:26 David Imel? But do you?
1:22:27 Speaker 01 And then it's just, they just say that and then they don't, they wouldn't.
1:22:31 David Imel? If it was like, okay, if it wasn't like a bazillion dollars, you know, if it was starting around the same price as like other cars that start around, you know, 40 or something, I feel like it would be popular. But I might be wrong.
1:22:43 Speaker 01 Maybe. I guess we'll never know.
1:22:45 David Imel? I guess we'll never know because it'll never happen.
1:22:47 Speaker 01 No one's making them.
1:22:48 David Imel? Can we just, what if I ask, I don't know, I'll ask Gemini to simulate a world where this is happening. Um, okay, speaking of EVs, you saw a Cybercab in Texas.
1:23:00 Speaker 01 I did.
1:23:00 David Imel? But.
1:23:01 Andrew Manganelli? Just on cutting your.
1:23:01 David Imel? I had the steering wheel.
1:23:02 Speaker 01 Depends on how we define Cybercab, because I saw, if anyone's been in Austin, Texas in the last couple of weeks, you've probably seen this too. You'll see a random Cybercab driving around and then you'll pull up next to it and there's just a person driving it. And I don't know, I haven't looked into it. I don't follow this as closely. I'm sure people will tell us in the comments, like they're either testing it or like trying to validate some, something about it.
1:23:24 Speaker 04 It's an Optimus robot, it's not a person.
1:23:27 Speaker 01 That explains why he waved back like that. No, it was, it was, it was just like, it, it looked pretty close. Like it had no side view mirrors. It had, like, it was the same type of car with the, like, weird wheel covers. But it was driven by a human and I assume that that happens with basically every EV before it has to get, you know, validated, certified, et cetera, and then it's good to go. I don't think that says anything about when this car is actually going to come out, you know?
1:23:54 David Imel? It's not really done.
1:23:55 Speaker 01 There are many things about that car that don't appear to be ready to go. It, it did look pretty bad. Like, we were behind it briefly and you could see, like, the wheel cover just, like, flopping around next to the car. It was not pretty. But yeah, maybe, maybe soon. Someday.
1:24:10 David Imel? Maybe, yeah.
1:24:11 Speaker 01 I think my hair is safe, if that's what you're asking.
1:24:13 David Imel? Yeah, I'm not asking that. Two days ago, Tesla's chief designer said that the second generation Roadster will be built in Texas and said that Alpha prototypes are currently in testing. And I'm like, it's been...
1:24:26 Speaker 01 You've said a lot of things about the Roadster.
1:24:27 David Imel? It's been... No, well, it's been nine years since they announced it.
1:24:31 Speaker 01 2017.
1:24:32 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah, yeah, nine years.
1:24:33 David Imel? So, why are you in the Alpha stage? When you took pre-orders?
1:24:38 Speaker 01 Because they haven't done anything. If you, actually, you know, it's funny.
1:24:41 David Imel? Unbelievable.
1:24:41 Speaker 01 If you listen to everything they've said about the Roadster for the past decade or so, it kind of implies that they haven't done anything since then. And there was an old, because I remember when I was still a believer in the Roadster. There was an old Franz van Hollen interview, I think on the Ride the Lightning podcast, where he went on, it was probably five, six years after it was announced, and he was like, "Everything about the Roadster is going to be better than what we showed you on stage." Remember that?
1:25:04 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:04 Speaker 01 He was like, "Everything about, all the metrics, everything will be better."
1:25:06 David Imel? Rockets.
1:25:07 Speaker 01 And I thought about that, and I was like, "Okay." You announced a 200-kilowatt-hour battery, a 600-mile range, a 1.9-second 0-60, and an 8.5-second quarter-mile.
1:25:18 Speaker 01 And somehow all of that is going to be better when it comes out? How? What? I don't know if I believe any of this anymore.
1:25:25 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:25 Speaker 01 And so, yeah, here we are. It's 2026 and we have new bait. This is like bait for people like me. They're just like, here's a new thing to talk about. Talk about the Roadster.
1:25:34 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:34 Speaker 01 And it's in alpha prototype testing and they're gonna build it in Texas.
1:25:37 David Imel? Sure. It also just doesn't make sense why they would build the Roadster now that they've stopped making the Model S.
1:25:43 Speaker 01 That's actually the most important thing. They literally discontinued the two lowest volume cars because they want to focus on the higher volume stuff.
1:25:51 David Imel? And this car would be even lower volume.
1:25:53 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's the hard part to believe.
1:25:55 David Imel? That makes no sense. I just don't, yeah, it's, I don't know. I don't think it's ever coming out.
1:25:58 Speaker 03 SpaceX AI needs more money in their bottom line.
1:26:01 David Imel? SpaceX Twitter AI.
1:26:02 Speaker 03 SpaceX Twitter AI.
1:26:03 Speaker 01 I mean, the Roadster has essentially become like, uh, like a stock boost button.
1:26:08 David Imel? Yeah.
1:26:08 Speaker 01 When you need a boost, you just talk about the Roadster. Just talk, just promise the Roadster again. Just hit the button. And then it'll be another year before anything happens and then they'll promise it again. And that's, that's the road.
1:26:19 Speaker 04 This time, say it flies.
1:26:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:22 David Imel? I mean, they did say it flies.
1:26:23 Speaker 01 They said it many times.
1:26:24 David Imel? They literally said that many years ago.
1:26:26 Speaker 01 As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm very excited for it, I have decided to stop thinking about it.
1:26:30 David Imel? Yeah, you should just put it out of your head.
1:26:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. Well, speaking of things that we'll stop thinking about directly after the podcast, the answers to these trivia questions. I don't know about you, but I'm gonna think about these for a long time.
1:26:43 David Imel? These trivia questions?
1:26:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:44 Speaker 03 Forever.
1:26:45 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:26:45 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm. Do you guys want the Fitbit question or the Ferrari question?
1:26:49 David Imel? Fitbit.
1:26:50 Speaker 01 Ferrari.
1:26:51 Speaker 03 Ah, I voted Marquez. Sorry.
1:26:53 Speaker 01 Can I at least hear it later?
1:26:54 Speaker 03 Sure, sure. I'll, I'll pull you aside and I'll tell you it later.
1:26:57 Speaker 01 Great, great, great.
1:26:59 Speaker 03 All right, so here is the Fitbit question. The first wrist-based Fitbit was called what?
1:27:06 Speaker 04 Ferrari question.
1:27:09 Speaker 01 I think we just got outvoted. Let's go.
1:27:11 David Imel? Uh, the first one. Wow.
1:27:13 Speaker 01 First Fitbit history.
1:27:14 Speaker 04 The first wrist-based Fitbit.
1:27:16 David Imel? Wrist-based Fitbit kind of implies that there was an earlier Fitbit that was like underwear-based?
1:27:21 Speaker 04 No, like the pedometer one that David always brings up.
1:27:23 David Imel? The one you put in your shoe?
1:27:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:27:25 David Imel? Yeah, when I worked at Intel, everyone used that one. They were doing step goal challenges.
1:27:29 Speaker 01 It had a name, huh?
1:27:30 David Imel? Not doing any work. Nobody at Intel did any work. I swear to God.
1:27:35 Speaker 01 Do they do work now?
1:27:36 David Imel? Probably not.
1:27:37 Speaker 01 Dang.
1:27:38 David Imel? They're funded by the government.
1:27:39 Speaker 04 They're 10% owned by the government, so they're too busy swimming in that China lake or whatever.
1:27:44 David Imel? China lake?
1:27:45 Speaker 04 Isn't that the name of their flag? Oh, it's silver. Okay. Is it really not?
1:27:50 David Imel? Oh, you mean like, oh, the, yeah, okay. Meteor Lake, that kind of stuff. I don't think they had China Lake.
1:27:57 Speaker 01 Tabby Lake?
1:27:58 Speaker 04 Is a place near where you grew up. That's where I got it mixed up.
1:28:00 David Imel? It is. Anyway, we'll think about this.
1:28:02 Speaker 01 Thank you so much, Marcus.
1:28:04 David Imel? We'll get to the answers at the end. We'll be right back.
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1:30:10 Andrew Manganelli? Welcome back. I just read this article yesterday that was really funny about Motorola phones hijacking Amazon affiliate links. Have you seen this?
1:30:18 David Imel? I had not seen this headline.
1:30:19 Andrew Manganelli? Have you seen this?
1:30:19 David Imel? I saw the headline. I did not read into it.
1:30:22 Andrew Manganelli? I, it seems like it was found on the Motorola subreddit and then Ben Shun did a article on it on nine to five Google, but essentially in a recent app update, people have noticed that if you go to Amazon, the app inside your drawer, that it really quickly is flashing a web browser and then loading into the app. And apparently it is running an affiliate link before it's opening the actual app. So
1:30:48 David Imel? It's honey over again.
1:30:48 Andrew Manganelli? Every single, it is honey, but
1:30:51 David Imel? Oh my God.
1:30:51 Andrew Manganelli? Just on Motorola phones.
1:30:53 David Imel? I feel like that honey investigation came out and all the companies were like, oh,
1:30:57 Andrew Manganelli? Those are great ideas.
1:30:58 David Imel? We could have made a lot of money doing that.
1:31:02 Speaker 01 So the Amazon app that's preloaded on Motorola phones
1:31:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
1:31:05 Speaker 01 is like bugged to always use some corporate Motorola affiliate code?
1:31:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's really bizarre because it's, it looks so hacky. First of all, if it is on your homepage, it does not do it for some reason, which, I mean, I don't know a lot of people with the Amazon on their homepage, but anyways, if you go through the app drawer, they were testing it and yeah, you would click it and for people like us, I think we would notice it because really quickly you'd see like the browser UI, like white flash screen and then the, the Amazon app would come up. So you're inside the Amazon app.
1:31:40 David Imel? Yeah.
1:31:40 Andrew Manganelli? The full blown app, but you know, like whenever you maybe click on a YouTube link right before it goes to the YouTube app, it like flashes like it's loading in browser. It kind of looks like that. Except you're pulling it from your app drawer instead. So it was really strange. I don't think a lot of people would notice it. And it wasn't happening previously. In fact, at nine to five Google, they tested it on older apps, on older software updates. It's still not doing that. But then a more recent one, it has started doing it.
1:32:09 David Imel? Yeah, I'm looking at the video.
1:32:10 Andrew Manganelli? The funniest, yeah, if you watch the video and the link on there, it shows it. But um, the funny thing is, is you know, we've seen a lot of really budget phones do some kind of shady ads or whatever to like, make up for the fact that they're so cheap. Nine to five Google tested this on the $1,900 razor fold and it's still doing it. So this is just a full blown Motorola issue.
1:32:33 David Imel? Issue.
1:32:33 Andrew Manganelli? And the way it, it just seems so sketch, it apparently brings you to some website that's based off of some like, fashion influencer, except that website itself doesn't actually, when you go to that fashion influencer, she doesn't link it anywhere. So it looks like this almost like fake, uh, like, URL developed to create this, this redirect that's doing it. So it seems super hacky, almost like somebody at Motorola like, pushed this somehow.
1:33:04 David Imel? Well, think about this.
1:33:04 Andrew Manganelli? And hoped no one would notice.
1:33:05 David Imel? Every single blog on the planet eventually moved towards affiliate being like their primary source of revenue, right? So if you can run multiple companies just off of affiliate revenue, just off of like reviews and stuff, of course, these companies are going to be like, wait, we could just make an entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this.
1:33:24 Andrew Manganelli? Imagine getting the affiliate link for every single time someone purchases something on Amazon on your phone.
1:33:30 David Imel? Every single time.
1:33:31 Andrew Manganelli? I want to know what that number is based on this.
1:33:35 David Imel? It's gotta be so high.
1:33:36 Andrew Manganelli? This is so weird. Sorry.
1:33:38 David Imel? Sorry, Amazon should be suing Motorola.
1:33:40 Andrew Manganelli? Something like that.
1:33:41 David Imel? Cause they're not actually being an affiliate. They're not actually pushing people towards that purchase.
1:33:46 Speaker 01 Is that gonna be their argument is like, well, we preloaded the Amazon app. So you're welcome. So now here's how it's taking a cut.
1:33:52 David Imel? Amazon definitely paid a fee for that already.
1:33:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's what I usually think.
1:33:55 Andrew Manganelli? This also doesn't feel like something Motorola like would want to do. It's so, it's like, not that obvious, but it's also so obvious that something is going on here.
1:34:04 David Imel? It seems like something they'd wanna do.
1:34:06 Speaker 01 On the scale of a company like Motorola, I don't know how much this is worth it. It sounds to me like this is like a weird.
1:34:13 David Imel? I feel like.
1:34:14 Speaker 03 Have we confirmed they're making money off of this?
1:34:16 Andrew Manganelli? I think no one's confirmed because they don't know. It's confirmed that it's like an Amazon affiliate.
1:34:21 David Imel? Some random intern just like injected.
1:34:23 Speaker 03 That's what I think is.
1:34:24 David Imel? That would be insane.
1:34:25 Speaker 01 That'd be crazy.
1:34:26 Andrew Manganelli? Well, not that if this is patched by the time the episode comes out because of how obvious and like stupid it is. But I am dying to know what the number is that that link is connected to because that's so many.
1:34:39 Speaker 03 Cause that to me makes, well, it doesn't make sense, but the business logic from Motorola side, I would want to know how many times people are clicking that Amazon app so that I know how much to charge Amazon. So I don't know if it's like a tracker thing or if it's like they're actually injecting an affiliate code to make money.
1:34:55 Andrew Manganelli? It's also, yeah, I don't know. It's, it's a number though, in that that probably would be too small for Motorola to risk the giant blowback of this, but is a big enough number to where like, maybe you'd be okay getting fired.
1:35:08 David Imel? They sell, they sell a lot of phones. Motorola sells a lot of phones. So if you make anytime anyone makes a purchase on Amazon, you make money from that, that adds up very quickly.
1:35:18 Speaker 01 It's true. They sell a lot of phones outside the US.
1:35:20 David Imel? Especially in like South America.
1:35:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:35:21 David Imel? Yeah.
1:35:22 Speaker 01 It's crazy.
1:35:23 David Imel? Interesting.
1:35:24 Speaker 03 This is.
1:35:24 Speaker 01 I hope we find out, I hope we find out it's just a tracker to like, keep track of how many clicks and it's not actually literally hijacking affiliate links, but.
1:35:31 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. If you look at like the URL it goes to and stuff, it just all is so weird. I almost feel like it has to be some sort of rogue Motorola employee or something, doing something.
1:35:44 Speaker 01 I just hope it goes away immediately, just like this next thing we're about to talk about.
1:35:48 David Imel? Hey, hey, hey, hey.
1:35:50 Andrew Manganelli? I'll let you take this one, David.
1:35:52 David Imel? Okay. Have you guys ever lived in 1980? No. Actually 1970.
1:35:58 Speaker 01 No, I have not.
1:35:59 Andrew Manganelli? I might be the closest.
1:36:01 David Imel? Neither have I, but something happened in 1970 that was pretty cool and it was called the disco. So Spotify recently updated their app icon. It was a temporary, it is a temporary app icon update to basically celebrate one of their anniversaries. They updated the icon to be a disco ball because Spotify is already a circle. So they updated it to be a disco ball, which is cool. I think it was cute and fun and pretty and the internet got very
1:36:29 Speaker 03 Internet did not.
1:36:29 David Imel? Very angry about it, which is ridiculous because do you guys hate fun? Do you guys just hate, I don't understand.
1:36:36 Speaker 03 Don't change my icon on my phone.
1:36:39 David Imel? Yeah, give me the option. Change the icons on my phone. Give me the option. Oh, come on. But uh, it's a pretty big change. It is a disco ball. I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm kinda tired of it.
1:36:48 Speaker 03 Wait, really?
1:36:49 David Imel? Yeah. Disco balls are like one of the most, they're one of the most universally loved.
1:36:54 Speaker 03 It's on Android, is it?
1:36:55 David Imel? Disco ball? Yeah, disco balls. But disco ball icons? I don't know. I mean, that's a disco ball. Well, anyway. I'm, yeah. Spotify changed their logo to be disco. The primary reason that people are mad was because it was too dark of an icon, I guess. And a lot of people were making the critique that if you just brightened it or made it more vibrant, it would look a lot better. You know, like a disco ball? Well, disco balls are not, yeah, I guess they are kinda bright by default. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The point is, um, there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson, who made a tweet entitled it Disco Morphism. And in the tweet, he took four different app icons and he turned them into disco themed icons.
1:37:36 David Imel? So he did YouTube, Claude, Notion, and this one app that I don't know what it is. Um, maybe you guys know what that is. It's probably AI or something. And he made, I don't think this is AI. I think he actually did this legit, for real, for real, on God. And it looks pretty good. It looks very fun. Uh, and he did that and then Samir Samat, the president of the Android ecosystem, quote tweeted it and said, "Should we make this an icon pack?" I responded to Samir and said, "Please, Samir, do it for me." He said, "We will weigh this heavily," to me. And then four days later, he tweeted, "Your wishes are command. Disco icons are now available on Pixel as of today. Are you sure you still want this? David and Race Johnson."
1:38:20 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
1:38:21 Speaker 03 I'm glad he asked for clarification, because he's like, "This is a terrible idea. Are you sure you still want this?"
1:38:26 David Imel? Here's a screenshot. Do you feel bad? And, um...
1:38:29 Speaker 01 Do you really want this?
1:38:30 David Imel? I still want this. So now, if you have a Pixel phone, you... I don't know if it's technically an icon pack, or if it's like a theme. Someone was saying that it's like not the same as like a traditional icon pack. But, all the Google icons and like various different app icons now have Disco-themed icons, which looks very cool, very fun. I will say, a lot of these are a little rough around the edges and kind of seem AI-generated.
1:38:57 Speaker 03 They're definitely AI-generated.
1:38:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's the beauty of Android is, you're allowed to ruin your phone.
1:39:02 David Imel? Yeah, exactly.
1:39:03 Speaker 01 You can just ruin your home screen however you want.
1:39:05 David Imel? And we've had that conversation before. Like, when Apple introduced, like in iOS 18, when they made it, so it was like insanely ugly, because everything was like the same color and gross and weird. Like, you have the option to ruin your phone. But, this definitely feels AI-generated, because if you look at the individual Disco tiles, some of them sort of like morph into each other and kind of like, it's like, kind of sloppy.
1:39:26 Speaker 01 Gemini.
1:39:28 David Imel? Regardless, we got Disco-morphism. So that, this has now been coined. It's a Race Johnson coinage. And I was just happy to be part of it, even though I did nothing.
1:39:38 Speaker 01 Do you want this on your legacy, though?
1:39:40 David Imel? Yeah.
1:39:40 Speaker 01 You do?
1:39:41 David Imel? Yeah, I think this would be a great part of my legacy. I didn't really do anything, to be clear. It's all Race Johnson, I was just...
1:39:46 Speaker 01 Seems like you're part of this.
1:39:47 David Imel? I mean, I'm part of it. Sure.
1:39:49 Speaker 01 This is, uh...
1:39:50 David Imel? And Samir did it for me, in particular.
1:39:52 Speaker 01 This could be the Luce of your design portfolio.
1:39:55 David Imel? That's fine with me. I would rather be known as the guy who made the Disco icons happen on Android versus the guy that designed the Luce.
1:40:02 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, David!
1:40:04 David Imel? Yes, yes, yes, Alyssa, yes. Absolutely, am I wrong?
1:40:08 Speaker 01 Actually, that's...
1:40:09 David Imel? Do you disagree?
1:40:09 Speaker 01 No, that's a good take, actually.
1:40:11 David Imel? Thank you.
1:40:11 Speaker 01 I just don't think these icons look good at all. You don't think they look good, do you?
1:40:14 Speaker 03 How do I do... I was trying to put them off.
1:40:16 David Imel? No.
1:40:17 Speaker 01 Just making sure.
1:40:17 David Imel? I don't think they look good, but I still...
1:40:20 Speaker 01 But you should be allowed to do it.
1:40:21 David Imel? Yeah.
1:40:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:22 David Imel? Especially on Android.
1:40:23 Speaker 03 That's cool. Yeah.
1:40:25 David Imel? You shouldn't... You know, we live in America, okay?
1:40:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:40:29 David Imel? All right. Um, that's that. We got the discomorphism. Next week is gonna be a big week because it's the last week before Dub Dub. So we'll probably have some predictions, stuff like that. We're gonna be a big Apple week next week. But until then, we got a bunch of trivia questions, not about Dub Dub. So roll that trivia sound, my friends.
1:40:49 Speaker 01 I might need a marker.
1:40:51 David Imel? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam, what happened? What was the results of last week's poll?
1:40:56 Andrew Manganelli? You don't wanna know.
1:40:57 Speaker 03 I don't know how to quantify all of this.
1:40:59 Speaker 01 I have an idea. Ask Gemini, based on the comments, what it thinks we should do.
1:41:04 David Imel? You think I didn't try that? Okay, what it is.
1:41:06 Speaker 01 The studio assistant should have like a...
1:41:09 Andrew Manganelli? Studio assistant? Okay, wait, let me try it right now live.
1:41:11 David Imel? Alright, try it live.
1:41:12 Speaker 01 Like, based on the comments of this video, how should we adjust the scoreboard?
1:41:15 David Imel? So, uh, for those who were not listening last week, or didn't finish the full episode, or have not heard last week's episode, there were two questions last week. One of them had to do with Sony Experia phones. I put Sony, Andrew put Experia. There was a debate.
1:41:29 Andrew Manganelli? I did not bring this argument back up.
1:41:30 David Imel? There was a debate whether or not I should get the point, or if Andrew should get the point, or should we both get the point? One of, and then Marquez, uh, misheard, well, he didn't mishear. Adam said the word wrong.
1:41:42 Speaker 01 And then I fully got that right.
1:41:43 David Imel? But it didn't seem that wrong.
1:41:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:41:46 David Imel? Yeah, but he got it wrong. And so people, yeah.
1:41:48 Speaker 01 I answered his question right.
1:41:50 Andrew Manganelli? Well, yeah, so that was...
1:41:53 David Imel? That's fair.
1:41:53 Andrew Manganelli? Which one of these is not an app? And then he said it incorrectly, therefore, the thing he said out loud was not an app.
1:42:00 Speaker 01 Correctly identified.
1:42:01 David Imel? Adam basically told the audience.
1:42:03 Speaker 04 Sorry, Google Gemini was like, "You need to fix the chapters."
1:42:07 David Imel? No way! No! Guys, we do this every week. We fix, we add chapters every week. Can you tell Gemini to tell YouTube to fix the chapters?
1:42:19 Speaker 01 Dude, I've told YouTube to fix chapters.
1:42:21 David Imel? Gemini is just trained on the most common things that people say, so I guess that makes sense.
1:42:25 Speaker 01 That was really funny.
1:42:26 Speaker 04 Alright, well, while Adam determines this, I'm gonna, uh...
1:42:30 David Imel? Do the trivia.
1:42:30 Speaker 04 Is that a good idea, Adam? Do I have your blessing? Go for it. Alright, blessing received.
1:42:35 Speaker 01 Blessed.
1:42:36 Speaker 04 Question number one, y'all.
1:42:37 David Imel? Like the Pope with the Ferrari.
1:42:40 Speaker 04 Question number one, in the late, in the early 2010, so early, it was literally 2010, Motorola released a phone that had an IP67 rating. All over the internet, people were leaving this phone in glasses of water and going, "Wow, still works."
1:42:54 David Imel? Wow, really?
1:42:56 Speaker 04 What phone is it? Sorry. What phone is it?
1:43:02 David Imel? It didn't reverb near as much as I thought it would.
1:43:04 Speaker 04 What phone is it?
1:43:06 David Imel? There you go.
1:43:11 Speaker 01 This is so wrong.
1:43:13 David Imel? Yeah.
1:43:13 Speaker 01 I don't think I even have a guess. I'm just, yeah, I'm just reminiscing on old Motorola.
1:43:17 David Imel? Yeah, me too.
1:43:18 Andrew Manganelli? I'm not.
1:43:21 Andrew Manganelli? I just wrote.
1:43:22 David Imel? You just wrote Moto?
1:43:23 Andrew Manganelli? I just wrote, well, I didn't make it that far.
1:43:26 David Imel? We both, uh, I, I wrote Motorola Atrix. I wrote Motorola Atrix.
1:43:33 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote Moto. It would be really funny if I was right, though.
1:43:38 David Imel? The Atrix is the one that like.
1:43:39 Andrew Manganelli? I just said the company.
1:43:42 Andrew Manganelli? I actually didn't think about that.
1:43:45 David Imel? Sony only makes one line of phones right now. The Xperia. Motorola makes multiple phones. There's no G emoji stylus.
1:43:54 Speaker 04 The Razr?
1:43:55 David Imel? The Razr.
1:43:55 Speaker 04 Guys, the correct answer was the Motorola Defy.
1:43:59 David Imel? I've never heard of that.
1:44:00 Speaker 04 D E F Y.
1:44:01 David Imel? Actually, I have heard of that.
1:44:02 Speaker 01 I have heard of that.
1:44:04 Speaker 03 Okay, okay, Gemini has an answer. Okay, it's a good answer, too. Okay, and it is an answer.
1:44:10 David Imel? Okay.
1:44:10 Speaker 03 But first, I want to point out that last week, my question was, which of the following is not a real Google project? I intended the answer to be Angle. I was trying to be cute, play off of Anguler, which is a real thing. Multiple people in the comments also pointed out that Angle is a real project.
1:44:29 David Imel? Of course it is.
1:44:30 Speaker 04 Whoa.
1:44:31 Andrew Manganelli? So Marcus Wealy is actually the only one correct.
1:44:34 David Imel? Yeah.
1:44:38 Speaker 03 It's also a real project, an open source project, but either way.
1:44:41 David Imel? Are you kidding me?
1:44:42 Speaker 03 Gemini said, based on the audience feedback for Google I O, colon, oops, all Gemini, the consensus is clear. Andrew deserves the point for the first trivia question. Marques deserves a point for the second. So sorry, Dave.
1:44:57 David Imel? AI slop.
1:44:58 Speaker 03 AI slop.
1:44:59 David Imel? AI slop. Hallucinations.
1:45:03 Speaker 03 And plus one.
1:45:04 Andrew Manganelli? At this point, I have to agree with Marquez getting the point because of the fact that we probably shouldn't have gotten the point for it.
1:45:11 Speaker 01 My favorite comment was, "I think David should get the point just because."
1:45:16 Andrew Manganelli? I saw one that said Andrew should get two and David should get one.
1:45:19 Speaker 01 Or just for the hell of it. Just for the hell of it.
1:45:21 Speaker 03 Just for the chaos. All right, next question. The first wrist-based Fitbit was called what?
1:45:30 Speaker 01 I had something in my head.
1:45:33 Speaker 03 Did you know?
1:45:33 Speaker 01 Atrix.
1:45:34 Speaker 03 Put it on the board.
1:45:39 Speaker 01 I don't remember what it is.
1:45:40 Speaker 03 Also, was the Motorola Atrix the first one that had the fingerprint sensor on the back?
1:45:43 Speaker 01 Yeah. And there was a, yeah, 4G.
1:45:46 Speaker 03 It had the dock too.
1:45:46 Speaker 01 Wait, hold on, hold on.
1:45:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, the dock.
1:45:51 David Imel? I wanted to make that.
1:45:52 Speaker 01 Oh, my god.
1:45:53 Speaker 03 I had that phone so bad.
1:45:54 Speaker 01 Sure. Ah, I had something in my head earlier, but I completely forgot.
1:45:57 Speaker 03 All right, well, what do you got? Flip it and read.
1:46:01 Andrew Manganelli? Ooh, that's a good one.
1:46:03 Speaker 01 Uh, I just guessed Fitbit 1.
1:46:07 Andrew Manganelli? Too logical, too logical. I just wrote Fitbit, which is actually also a typo we made in the main channel.
1:46:15 Andrew Manganelli? It's one of those like letters that's like four people watched that video and none of us caught it.
1:46:20 Speaker 01 Yeah. You're like, I wrote Aria, but it's like all.
1:46:23 Andrew Manganelli? It's just Fitbit, isn't it?
1:46:26 Speaker 03 It is the Fitbit Flex. That was the first.
1:46:29 Speaker 01 You don't flex your wrist?
1:46:30 Andrew Manganelli? No, but it's because it was like that rubber.
1:46:32 Speaker 01 You can do flex. Is that considered flexing?
1:46:35 Andrew Manganelli? Actually, it's like literally the only thing your wrist does pretty much.
1:46:38 Speaker 01 Is flex. Yeah, I guess you're right.
1:46:40 Andrew Manganelli? Flexing.
1:46:40 Speaker 01 All right, good naming scheme.
1:46:41 Speaker 03 Get the flex.
1:46:42 Speaker 01 Well, we learned something. That is good. I'm glad that I got a point from last week. That feels really good. Uh, yeah. Feel free to let us know now that you've made it this far into the video. Would you think the Luce isn't as bad if it wasn't a $600,000 Ferrari?
1:47:00 Speaker 03 What if it was a Nissan?
1:47:02 Speaker 01 What if it was?
1:47:03 Speaker 03 It looks like a Nissan.
1:47:03 Speaker 01 What if it was literally?
1:47:05 Speaker 03 Looks like a Nissan to me.
1:47:06 Speaker 01 What if it was literally a Nissan?
1:47:07 Speaker 03 Then I would say that's a Nissan.
1:47:09 Speaker 01 Yeah. Would we even be talking about it? Probably not.
1:47:12 Speaker 03 No.
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