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0:08 Speaker 00 What the hell?
0:09 Speaker 01 What is wrong with you? Hell yeah.
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2:21 Speaker 04 What's the number one stereotype about you that's true?
2:23 Pablo Torre? That's true?
2:26 Speaker 01 You love karaoke.
2:28 Pablo Torre? That is true.
2:29 Speaker 04 You do love it?
2:30 Pablo Torre? Damn.
2:31 Speaker 04 I hate karaoke.
2:32 Speaker 01 You do?
2:32 Speaker 04 That's one where I break the stereotype. There's a lot of things that's one, though, for me.
2:38 Pablo Torre? Man.
2:39 Speaker 01 I just keep guessing them? We just ruin the day by me guessing them? What about this one?
2:45 Pablo Torre? I am obsessed with grades.
2:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, right. Which is gonna come at where this is an interesting game for...
2:51 Pablo Torre? I'm unprepared for what this is.
2:52 Speaker 01 I can't handle spice at all. That's where the stereotype of me is true. I cannot handle it. Wish I could. Hate what it says about me that I can't, but I can't. Anyway, let's play a game.
3:06 Pablo Torre? This game, I would like to explain what this sound is, though, and why Mina knows a lot more about it than we do.
3:15 Speaker 04 That's my cue.
3:16 Speaker 01 I guess, because he looked at you.
3:17 Speaker 04 Okay, so I brought a game today.
3:20 Pablo Torre? By the way, thanks for being here. We haven't actually gotten together in our studio in person.
3:24 Speaker 01 I know. I love.
3:25 Pablo Torre? This is a rare treat.
3:26 Speaker 04 Remember when we used to do Highly Questionable during... What was it called again during the pandemic?
3:31 Speaker 01 No, Highly Quarantined.
3:34 Speaker 04 Highly Quarantined? Yeah. The three of us used to hang out. We played a lot of games.
3:39 Speaker 01 A lot of games. A lot of, like, pictionary-based.
3:41 Pablo Torre? A lot of drawing-based games. Can we just flash and post some of the illustrations that we made?
3:47 Speaker 01 Lenny's Red Rocket. I think I still have that somewhere.
3:51 Pablo Torre? I'm gonna auction that for charity.
3:52 Speaker 04 Pablo drew some of the most disturbing artwork I've ever seen.
3:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:56 Speaker 04 And I have a two-year-old.
3:57 Pablo Torre? I think I channeled what America felt like during the pandemic.
4:00 Speaker 01 We were really going through it, like, on Zoom.
4:03 Pablo Torre? We sketched NFL logos by memory.
4:06 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. Oh, brutal.
4:08 Speaker 04 I love it. I love drawing, you know?
4:10 Pablo Torre? And we also drew Lenny at one point.
4:12 Speaker 04 If you put up the photo that Pablo drew of Lenny...
4:15 Pablo Torre? We do have to censor it.
4:16 Speaker 04 You have to censor it because he... Penis.
4:19 Pablo Torre? I illustrated accurately.
4:21 Speaker 04 Little dog penis.
4:22 Pablo Torre? Lenny is more than little.
4:24 Speaker 04 This is why Dominique calls him Liness, by the way. That's great. All right, so this game, so this is a very unusual game for me to enjoy because it's more about friendship than it is about winning. That's not.
4:37 Pablo Torre? I don't believe that.
4:38 Speaker 04 That's not what I know of you. Okay, so the game is made by my friend, Rob Dubbin, who has a company called Brainfruit, where they make cool and creative things, and it's called Star Friends.
4:47 Pablo Torre? Katie, can you narrate what Mina is showing visually for people listening?
4:50 Speaker 01 Mina has opened a plastic case.
4:53 Speaker 04 It's very simple.
4:54 Speaker 01 Very simple, the size of the deck of cards, and in it, I would say, really bad at guessing numbers, but I would say something around 50 cards.
5:03 Speaker 04 So there's two kinds of cards. There's star ratings of a variety of star ratings, two stars, three stars.
5:09 Speaker 01 Those cards are white.
5:10 Pablo Torre? They are white with black stars, a varying number on them.
5:13 Speaker 04 And then there are stars that have, or cards, pardon me, that have a single word on them, instructions, which are categories. So like, book, animal, plant.
5:24 Pablo Torre? So this is where I want to make clear to everybody, we're playing a card game. It is a visual game so far, but I don't think it needs to be for the audio-only audience, who we do care about.
5:34 Speaker 04 The game is about takes, and it's about how well you know each other. Oh, Jesus. It's more so than that, and this is kind of what we all do for a living in some ways, it's about how well do we know each other's takes. Oh, sick.
5:48 Speaker 01 Jesus Christ.
5:49 Speaker 04 So, the way it works is very simple, and it's just, you know, it's like a, it's like a get fun, hey.
5:55 Pablo Torre? Mina's trying to make this seem calm. I know inside her competitive fire.
6:00 Speaker 04 You're about to understand why I'm doing this long preamble about it not being competitive.
6:03 Pablo Torre? She's like a dungeon master.
6:04 Speaker 04 The way it works is, we go around and every person takes a turn and it rotates. So I'll put down a card that has the category, brand. Then I'll give Katie a card, and I'll give Pablo a card. Thank you. And then you reveal, these are the star cards. Whoa. Katie's five stars, Pablo's three. Everyone's been saying that. So what I have to do now?
6:26 Pablo Torre? What is this, WikiFeeds?
6:29 Speaker 01 4.9 and you know that hurts my feelings. Are you even on there?
6:33 Speaker 04 Probably not. He's been trying to get on there for years. Damn.
6:36 Pablo Torre? At the end of this episode, we're gonna get me on WikiFeet.
6:39 Speaker 04 Nice. You gonna show feet?
6:41 Pablo Torre? If you stick around. If you increase the watch time of this channel, I will show feet.
6:45 Speaker 01 Stop doing this. Stop doing this. You've done this already. Stop doing this. If you watch this video, I'll go after this guy.
6:51 Speaker 04 He hasn't done that.
6:52 Speaker 01 If you keep watching the...
6:53 Pablo Torre? And haven't died.
6:54 Speaker 01 You don't have to be thirsty. You've got plenty to drink. You know what I'm saying?
6:57 Speaker 04 You're... Okay, Mr. Beast over here.
6:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, please.
7:00 Pablo Torre? I believe it's called, uh, Truth to Power?
7:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know, I know.
7:03 Pablo Torre? By making you watch my content.
7:05 Speaker 04 So, I... So, here's what I have to do now. And so, this is... It's my turn, right?
7:10 Speaker 01 Okay.
7:10 Speaker 04 I have to try to come up with... Let's not do brand. That's not a fun one to start with.
7:15 Speaker 01 You don't love brands?
7:16 Speaker 04 A book.
7:16 Speaker 01 Oh, good.
7:17 Pablo Torre? Oh, I had a Solitaire joke queued up already, Mina.
7:20 Speaker 01 Damn.
7:20 Pablo Torre? You said brand and I was like...
7:21 Speaker 01 Damn.
7:22 Speaker 04 Well...
7:23 Speaker 01 Damn.
7:24 Pablo Torre? Targeting computer activated.
7:26 Speaker 04 You just missed the opportunity to actually do that at some point during the game.
7:30 Pablo Torre? God damn it.
7:30 Speaker 01 And then she turns it back on him. It's really beautiful to watch.
7:33 Pablo Torre? That was a self-own.
7:34 Speaker 01 It's really beautiful to watch.
7:35 Pablo Torre? That could've been the kicker of this episode.
7:37 Speaker 01 I know. Could've been the whole title and everything. People would've clicked.
7:39 Pablo Torre? Shit.
7:41 Speaker 04 Hashtag...
7:42 Pablo Torre? Cut that out so I can reset... Okay.
7:44 Speaker 04 Nope, nope, nope. So, what I have to do now is try to come up with a book that Katie loves.
7:50 Speaker 01 That's tough. Oh.
7:51 Speaker 04 Come up with a book. And that Pablo's kinda meh on.
7:54 Pablo Torre? A three-star on him.
7:55 Speaker 04 Yes, so... So, let's say, I was just like, I don't know. Catcher in the Rye, or something. So, you basically have to tell me if you agree with it. So, this is why it's not that competitive, because ultimately, we are all deciding whether each other get points.
8:12 Pablo Torre? We are being judged by ourselves.
8:13 Speaker 04 Okay.
8:14 Pablo Torre? It is an honor system.
8:15 Speaker 04 So, my point about like the whole competitiveness thing...
8:17 Speaker 01 Too busy getting your jokes off.
8:18 Speaker 04 You're not really... I know. I feel like he was... He's been waiting to do a Solitaire joke for...
8:25 Speaker 01 I know, and he burned it.
8:26 Speaker 04 And he burned it so quick.
8:27 Speaker 01 For all of us. He burned it for everyone in the room. It was such a waste.
8:30 Pablo Torre? We could've, we could've made something out of that.
8:32 Speaker 01 But that's okay. You know what? It is what it is.
8:33 Speaker 04 Game is in here.
8:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:35 Speaker 04 Somewhere.
8:35 Speaker 01 Oh, you mother...
8:37 Pablo Torre? Shit.
8:37 Speaker 01 Oh, you... Let's stop talking lest we burn any better bits.
8:41 Pablo Torre? Try to make it again.
8:42 Speaker 01 I know. That's the problem.
9:01 Speaker 01 Who starts and how does it start? And let's go, yay!
9:04 Speaker 04 I am going-
9:05 Pablo Torre? And start.
9:07 Speaker 01 Great, alright, begin.
9:08 Speaker 04 Boo.
9:09 Speaker 01 Thanks.
9:09 Speaker 04 Boo. I'm gonna shuffle the categories here.
9:12 Speaker 01 I have to show it to you, right?
9:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, you're sure, yeah.
9:13 Speaker 01 So why do we deal it upside down, man?
9:15 Speaker 04 I don't know, for the suspense.
9:16 Speaker 01 Nice.
9:17 Speaker 04 My first category, this is a great one.
9:19 Speaker 01 Okay.
9:20 Speaker 04 Character.
9:21 Speaker 01 Oh, boy.
9:22 Speaker 04 I have to come up with a character that Katie hates.
9:27 Speaker 01 So does Katie.
9:27 Speaker 04 And that Pablo is three stars on.
9:31 Pablo Torre? I see how this game works now.
9:33 Speaker 04 I have an idea.
9:35 Pablo Torre? So this is just the thing that you answer? We are here to judge?
9:39 Speaker 04 Yes, you're just gonna tell me if you agree with it or not.
9:41 Speaker 01 And it's out of five stars. This is a character that I would rate one star. And it can be on whatever metric I want. Right?
9:49 Speaker 04 Yes, yeah.
9:50 Speaker 01 Because a character that you dislike could also be a good charactor. You know what I mean? Good for the plot.
9:58 Speaker 04 Also, character is such a broad-
10:00 Speaker 01 Right, subjective, oh, boy.
10:01 Speaker 04 It could be a million different things.
10:02 Speaker 01 Off to a good start, let's go.
10:04 Pablo Torre? Like ampersand.
10:05 Speaker 04 Mmm. That's the nerdiest possible interpretation of character, correct?
10:09 Pablo Torre? Are there zero stars, by the way, or no?
10:11 Speaker 04 No.
10:11 Pablo Torre? Okay, very good.
10:12 Speaker 04 One star is the worst possible-
10:13 Pablo Torre? So that was a one star? No, that was, well, okay. I'm not gonna complicate it.
10:17 Speaker 04 Character. I thought of one, but you're not a three star. That's too high for you. This is where it gets tricky.
10:24 Pablo Torre? Already judgmental.
10:27 Speaker 04 What's that sound to you?
10:28 Speaker 01 I don't know! I just want the game to have begun.
10:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, it has begun!
10:32 Speaker 01 I know, but we're just kinda waiting for you to say something.
10:34 Pablo Torre? We're kind of-
10:35 Speaker 01 And I don't know what to do in this part of the-
10:37 Pablo Torre? We're kind of game gooning, is what Katie is saying.
10:39 Speaker 01 Okay. Grimace.
10:41 Pablo Torre? Ugh.
10:43 Speaker 01 Like the guy from the McDonald's?
10:45 Speaker 04 You made me go so fast!
10:46 Speaker 01 Wait, no, I'm, no, I'm not, I didn't mean to make you go fast.
10:49 Pablo Torre? We're gonna sit here and just make sure that Katie Nolan is clear that Grimace is the purple guy.
10:55 Speaker 01 The guy from McDonald's?
10:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, I just didn't know if, I didn't know if he was like also a thing I didn't know about.
10:59 Speaker 01 I don't even wanna do Grimace.
11:00 Pablo Torre? I'm sorry.
11:01 Speaker 01 I don't even wanna be here right now.
11:02 Pablo Torre? Is there another Grimace that Katie knows about?
11:03 Speaker 01 I just have had a long day. I just needed to make sure we were all talking about the blobby purple guy that showed up at Nut's Stakes.
11:09 Speaker 04 I have a new one, I have a new one. The character is the grief eater.
11:13 Speaker 01 Oh, boy.
11:17 Speaker 04 For those who don't know, who are not part of the crossover world.
11:20 Pablo Torre? This is, this is what Dan Lebatard's superhero name is.
11:24 Speaker 04 It's when Dan is really pushy about trying to get you to reveal something sad about yourself.
11:31 Speaker 01 Why'd you have to bring it home?
11:33 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
11:33 Speaker 04 Pablo's a three, Katie's a one.
11:36 Speaker 01 Now, but I-
11:38 Speaker 04 Be honest.
11:38 Speaker 01 Okay, and I do, I do hate it. I do hate it, okay? But I don't know if one star feels like it ignores the parts of me that like genuinely like feels for him, the grief eater, and goes like, of course, you know, I love him. And so like, it's hard to give who he is a one star.
12:02 Pablo Torre? I feel like when you say the word hate, the answer is yes, this is a one star character.
12:07 Speaker 01 I know, I know. Stop arguing for mine and talk about yours.
12:10 Speaker 04 This feels accurate though.
12:11 Pablo Torre? So the reason why three stars for the grief eater feels accurate is because is Mina is just, now that's, you guys are just outdoing yourselves. This is one star for every time I think I have intentionally tried to make Dan cry.
12:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:30 Pablo Torre? And it's hard for me to say that I am anti grief eater when I have summoned, not only summoned the grief eater, but tried to grief eat the grief eater.
12:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, you are, you are the guy, like the third guy of the human centipede of the grief eater.
12:47 Pablo Torre? And that is the worst guy to be.
12:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:50 Pablo Torre? It's the worst guy.
12:51 Speaker 01 The one star guy.
12:51 Pablo Torre? No, actually, sorry, the middle guy is the worst guy to be.
12:53 Speaker 01 Yes, because you have to eat it.
12:55 Pablo Torre? And you gotta poop the grief into someone's mouth.
12:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, I guess that part I hadn't ever really considered how bad it is.
13:01 Pablo Torre? If the character was which part of the human centipede you are, I would say that, okay, Mina is correct unfortunately.
13:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think she might be right. Does it, it feels mean. Do I seem like a bully to say that I hate when Dan gets sad?
13:15 Pablo Torre? That is what you're saying.
13:16 Speaker 01 And I don't feel good about that.
13:18 Speaker 04 The grief eater isn't about Dan being sad, it's about him getting that out of others.
13:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:22 Speaker 04 I didn't say sad Dan, that's a different-
13:24 Pablo Torre? It's Dan's alter ego.
13:25 Speaker 01 Well, that's how Dan gets it out of me, is he gets sad and then I get sad for Dan.
13:29 Pablo Torre? Right, right, right.
13:31 Speaker 01 He just, it's you, it's-
13:32 Speaker 04 Just give me the point.
13:34 Speaker 01 It's manipulative. It's the point.
13:35 Pablo Torre? Mina, playing the game?
13:36 Speaker 01 No, I'm making the point for one star instead of feeling afraid that the internet's gonna be mad at me. It's a manipulative thing that is done. And therefore, a one-star character.
13:46 Pablo Torre? Katie Nolan hates when Dan Lebatard expresses feelings that men aren't otherwise encouraged to express.
13:52 Speaker 01 No, just man up.
13:56 Speaker 01 You know?
13:57 Speaker 04 I got both of your guys' cards.
13:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, Mina, the game you brought that we're doing a commercial for, for free, you're winning. Congrats.
14:06 Speaker 04 Support small businesses. All right, you're next.
14:08 Speaker 01 Crazy, sick. Okay, well, this one's for you.
14:10 Speaker 04 So this goes back in the bottom of the pile and you can take one at the top? So I'm five.
14:14 Pablo Torre? Two.
14:15 Speaker 04 Oh, this is tough. It's like a seven, ten spit and split in bowling. Because you gotta find something I love and he does not like.
14:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, no shit.
14:23 Speaker 04 I'm just playing for the audience.
14:24 Speaker 01 And it's food.
14:25 Speaker 04 Oh.
14:28 Speaker 01 I love that Mina's like, you got the hardest one off the bat.
14:32 Pablo Torre? Food?
14:34 Speaker 04 Yeah, I don't know how much you know about.
14:36 Speaker 01 I don't, but.
14:37 Speaker 04 You know one thing I love.
14:39 Speaker 01 We can guess. It's true, but that's a drink. I would say drink separate from food. I wouldn't call that food. That's crazy.
14:45 Speaker 04 All right.
14:45 Pablo Torre? Katie and I have eaten food together.
14:48 Speaker 01 I know, but you always order the same thing.
14:49 Speaker 04 We've all.
14:50 Pablo Torre? That's not accurate.
14:51 Speaker 01 We haven't gone separately enough that I like have noticed.
14:55 Pablo Torre? Hold on, Katie Nolan and I, just to be clear about how absurd your lack of memory is.
15:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's pretty bad.
15:01 Pablo Torre? We went to a Major League Baseball game.
15:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:03 Pablo Torre? And I ate a lot of chicken fingers out of a bucket.
15:08 Speaker 01 Right, so what?
15:11 Pablo Torre? So I'm just saying.
15:12 Speaker 01 Does that mean my memory? Does that have to mean doing my memory?
15:14 Speaker 04 This is a two-star. How is that helpful at all? You like chicken fingers.
15:17 Speaker 01 And buckets. We love to eat food in buckets. Every time we go out to dinner, you go, let's go to the place where they serve the food in the bucket.
15:23 Pablo Torre? Bring a horse to water.
15:24 Speaker 04 Let me intercede here with a bit of gameplay commentary.
15:28 Speaker 01 I hate whatever's happening.
15:28 Speaker 04 If you have a tough category, you could just aim for one of us and be like, you know what? I'm not gonna get the split.
15:34 Speaker 01 Sure, I know how to play a game.
15:37 Speaker 04 Just say, you can pick something that he hates or I'll.
15:41 Speaker 04 It's a lot of pressure, I know.
15:42 Speaker 01 It is.
15:43 Pablo Torre? Katie's like, okay, I can't say anything even vaguely ethnic, so.
15:48 Speaker 01 I am feeling unable to mention noodles.
15:55 Speaker 04 If she, or lean into it, knowing the one, the one difference between us is contrary to what many people think, Filipinos and Koreans are two different cultures. And if you pick-
16:11 Speaker 01 They're not really that close.
16:14 Speaker 04 Correct.
16:15 Pablo Torre? Geographically speaking, correct.
16:16 Speaker 01 But you just mean culturally similar?
16:18 Speaker 04 I just think, most people think-
16:20 Pablo Torre? Both tortured by Japan.
16:23 Speaker 04 Sure.
16:24 Pablo Torre? Like everyone else in Asia, I guess.
16:26 Speaker 04 That's a lot of Asia, yeah, right.
16:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:27 Pablo Torre? I do love Japanese food ironically.
16:29 Speaker 01 Are we going just any-
16:30 Speaker 04 It's open-ended. You could, you could choose a meal. You could choose a restaurant. You could choose a cuisine. You could choose a dish.
16:37 Speaker 01 A cuisine?
16:38 Speaker 04 Yeah. I think that's fair.
16:40 Speaker 01 Blue cheese.
16:42 Speaker 04 Blue cheese. I actually love blue cheese. I actually love it. And it's divisive. So that's actually a great, and you had no idea that that was a total hail mary by you. You've never seen me eat blue cheese. You didn't know that about me. If I am at a party and there's a cheese platter, and I will go for the blue cheese, even knowing the conversational risk that that brings to my breath.
17:04 Pablo Torre? But here's where you went wrong. I also love blue cheese. I love blue cheese so much that I don't, I mean, I don't even think about the conversational party foul that is, since when is that a problem?
17:18 Speaker 04 To have blue cheese breath?
17:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, guys, as a lady who hates blue cheese, don't come near me if you just beeline-
17:23 Pablo Torre? You know what? I like a stinky cheese.
17:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:26 Pablo Torre? I like the stinkiest cheese.
17:27 Speaker 01 At a party, in a social situation?
17:29 Speaker 04 Yeah, I, I have no-
17:30 Pablo Torre? You know what, you know what I was told is-
17:31 Speaker 01 Alpha.
17:32 Pablo Torre? If you put, if you, if you're serving cheese at a party, you gotta put it on a table and let it sweat.
17:36 Speaker 04 You get this.
17:36 Speaker 01 Thank you.
17:37 Pablo Torre? The cheese has to sweat.
17:38 Speaker 04 That was nice of you. The cheese has to sweat. Do you-
17:40 Speaker 01 Nasty.
17:41 Speaker 04 And the other thing about blue cheese too, with like a platter, is there's usually like some sweet stuff, like a little fig jam.
17:47 Pablo Torre? Are you talking about chunks? Or are you talking about a dip?
17:50 Speaker 04 I was thinking chunks.
17:51 Speaker 01 Who was thinking a dip?
17:52 Speaker 04 I was thinking-
17:53 Speaker 01 I didn't say a blue cheese dip. I just said, "blue cheese."
17:55 Speaker 04 I was thinking like at a party-
17:56 Pablo Torre? I'm agnostic.
17:57 Speaker 04 I, if, if they're, imagine- Beautiful cheese plate.
18:02 Speaker 01 Picture this.
18:02 Speaker 04 You're at a party. There's a little bit of...
18:04 Pablo Torre? This is the Don Draper Carol L. speech.
18:06 Speaker 04 No, I'm just asking. There's brie.
18:08 Speaker 01 Sure.
18:09 Speaker 04 There's some hard cheeses.
18:10 Speaker 01 I'm going for that.
18:11 Speaker 04 You're going for the hard cheese.
18:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:12 Speaker 04 I will get the blue cheese first and I will take the time antisocially to put together like a little bruschetta, the blue cheese, the fig on it.
18:22 Speaker 01 She said it right, too.
18:23 Speaker 04 I will make that little perfect bite for myself.
18:25 Speaker 01 She said bruschetta.
18:26 Speaker 04 I love it.
18:27 Speaker 01 Nobody says bruschetta.
18:29 Speaker 04 What do people say?
18:30 Speaker 01 Bruschetta.
18:33 Speaker 01 They're not right, you are right.
18:34 Speaker 04 I've just never heard someone say that in my presence.
18:35 Speaker 01 Wow. Only smart friends.
18:37 Pablo Torre? I have a business idea briefly.
18:39 Speaker 01 It's your turn.
18:40 Pablo Torre? Oh, sorry.
18:40 Speaker 04 Go, I want to hear your business idea.
18:41 Pablo Torre? My business idea is, speaking of both ethnic stereotypes, as well as my view on blue cheese, buffalo wings. Okay? My restaurant's serving those, delivering them to people.
18:54 Speaker 01 Wingstop exists.
18:55 Pablo Torre? Guess what else I'm serving, though?
18:56 Speaker 01 What?
18:56 Pablo Torre? White rice.
18:57 Speaker 04 Buffalo wings and white rice to get it.
19:00 Pablo Torre? That's right.
19:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:01 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
19:02 Speaker 01 For what purpose?
19:03 Pablo Torre? Sharks.
19:04 Speaker 01 What is he saying?
19:05 Pablo Torre? Because what I'm doing is I'm eating them together.
19:07 Speaker 01 Okay.
19:08 Speaker 04 Oh, you like wing, yeah.
19:09 Pablo Torre? It's...
19:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:13 Speaker 01 [bleep] crazy.
19:14 Pablo Torre? All right.
19:14 Speaker 01 Can we get our stars, please?
19:16 Speaker 04 It's like cream fried chicken.
19:18 Pablo Torre? Yeah, white rice. Why does anyone serving [bleep] white rice?
19:20 Speaker 01 Yo, everybody's serving white rice.
19:22 Pablo Torre? Not with buffalo wings?
19:23 Speaker 01 You know how I know? I order it and I feed it to Myrtle. She loves it.
19:26 Speaker 04 White rice?
19:27 Speaker 01 She loves it, yeah.
19:28 Pablo Torre? And who doesn't?
19:28 Speaker 01 And I could just make it.
19:30 Pablo Torre? Uh, what are your, what are your stars?
19:31 Speaker 04 Five again, wow.
19:32 Speaker 01 I got two. Two stars, five and two. Now, this is like a seven, ten.
19:37 Pablo Torre? Bill.
19:37 Speaker 04 Oh.
19:38 Speaker 01 Oh, boy. And it used the word film, it did not say movie.
19:40 Pablo Torre? Wow.
19:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, that maybe narrows it a little bit.
19:43 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
19:44 Speaker 04 Right? Is Zootopia 2 a film?
19:45 Speaker 01 Also worth keeping in mind that I hate watch many a film. I just finished the Hallmark movie Touchdown, Christmas in Touchdown, the Bills, whatever.
19:56 Speaker 04 I watched several clips of you interviewing the guests, the stars of that film, solely because the guy was wearing glasses.
20:04 Speaker 01 I know.
20:05 Pablo Torre? Wait, what?
20:05 Speaker 04 Straight up, I'm gonna admit it.
20:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:07 Speaker 04 The glasses, I was like...
20:08 Speaker 01 He was a handsome man.
20:09 Speaker 04 And he was wearing glasses.
20:10 Speaker 01 And he was wearing glasses.
20:11 Speaker 04 And I was just like, click.
20:12 Speaker 01 He's a handsome man.
20:13 Speaker 04 Click.
20:13 Pablo Torre? What is that about?
20:14 Speaker 01 It's about two Bills fans who fall, lifelong Bills fans who fall in love. It is literally about nothing.
20:20 Speaker 04 It's about a hot guy wearing glasses.
20:21 Speaker 01 Holiday touchdown.
20:22 Pablo Torre? Like a, like a male she's all that.
20:25 Speaker 01 I don't think in the movie. He's all that. Less happens. Somehow, less happens than that, than in that movie.
20:31 Speaker 04 Is that the female algorithmic equivalent of like, a guy seeing a woman in like workout leggings or something? And like just automatically?
20:38 Speaker 01 Is a lady seeing a guy?
20:39 Pablo Torre? I don't know, is your algorithm all guys in glasses?
20:41 Speaker 01 It used to be guys chopping, like doing, I used to get a guy that would chop trees a lot, and then he started to act like he knew ladies were tuning into, and I was like, I'm over you. I'm out, I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.
20:50 Speaker 04 It's not for my game.
20:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it, keep doing it the way you, you were doing it because you needed wood, okay? You were not doing it because I was watching you do it. And that one time you looked up at the camera and fixed your hair was an accident. And then he like, you know.
21:03 Speaker 04 Would you be, would you let other people look at your algorithm?
21:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, because I'm past all that now. I'm just, it's all goof. It's all goofy. I'm just there to laugh.
21:11 Pablo Torre? It's, it's a post-modern, nothing is real.
21:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm past, there's no sex anywhere on my algorithm, I promise.
21:16 Pablo Torre? I am. Man, this is, this is the most forbidden game of all.
21:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:22 Speaker 04 Can you say a film? This is, this is our film? This is a dangerous game.
21:27 Pablo Torre? Yeah, I can't show you this.
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23:10 Pablo Torre? The film is Avatar.
23:12 Speaker 04 I knew you were gonna do that. I knew it.
23:14 Speaker 01 You love Avatar?
23:16 Speaker 04 This is such a complicated question.
23:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
23:19 Speaker 04 For me. I don't even know where to begin.
23:20 Pablo Torre? Give me your card. Give me your five-star card. If you're gonna tell me that you're not a five-star on Avatar.
23:26 Speaker 04 Okay, okay.
23:26 Speaker 01 I think we're all gonna notice really quickly that these two are closer than I am. And so this is sort of really unfair.
23:34 Speaker 04 We... He...
23:37 Pablo Torre? I believe that you're looking for... You are correct. Here is my card.
23:40 Speaker 04 So here's the thing, Katie.
23:42 Speaker 01 I thought the game was about friendship.
23:43 Speaker 04 This game has never been more about friendship than it is in this moment. Because Pablo and I are in a group chat that's been going on for seven, eight years? Pre-Pan.
23:55 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
23:56 Speaker 04 That's entirely about Avatar.
23:57 Speaker 01 What?
24:00 Speaker 04 And I don't even, like... It's not a good movie.
24:03 Speaker 01 No. Oh, okay.
24:04 Speaker 04 But, but, but, but, I'm not done. I'm not done.
24:06 Pablo Torre? I need to text our group chat that you're saying these things right now.
24:09 Speaker 01 Don't they watch?
24:09 Speaker 04 The movie is insane. They're all insane. We went... We made a date to see the last Avatar. The entire group chat went to the movie theater together. I even brought... Bought... I made my...
24:22 Speaker 01 Wait, when you say the last Avatar, now I'm getting lost. We are literally just talking about the Avatar film franchise, not the last... Isn't there one that's also called the...
24:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, Airbender.
24:32 Pablo Torre? Shockingly, it's not the Asian Avatar.
24:34 Speaker 01 And I wasn't asking because of that!
24:38 Pablo Torre? We are, we are on the precipice of Avatar 3.
24:40 Speaker 04 We all went to see Avatar 2 together in the theater. I even got the themed Navi drink.
24:47 Speaker 01 Oh, I thought you were gonna say it must've come with one of those...
24:49 Pablo Torre? Yeah, Mina.
24:50 Speaker 01 Popcorn buckets that looks like something you can sex with.
24:52 Pablo Torre? Mina extended her braid and connected it to her drink.
24:55 Speaker 04 The movie is so insane. There's a part in the movie, I mean, multiple parts, where the whales talk and they put the whales.
25:04 Pablo Torre? Subtitles.
25:05 Speaker 04 Inner. I'm not spoiling, this movie came out.
25:08 Pablo Torre? It's an awesome, this is an awesome part of the movie.
25:10 Speaker 04 I also, I hate.
25:11 Pablo Torre? Cocoon?
25:11 Speaker 04 I hate 3D movies. I had to take off my glasses numerous times because it makes me dizzy.
25:16 Speaker 01 Wow.
25:16 Speaker 04 The movie is so silly. There's a white guy with dreads. Spider, who's a main character.
25:22 Pablo Torre? Have you ever seen Spider before?
25:23 Speaker 01 No. Is this still Pocahontas based? Isn't that what we always said that Avatar was? The original.
25:29 Pablo Torre? Yeah, Spider is a bit of an inversion of Pocahontas.
25:32 Speaker 04 The global politics of Avatar are complicated. It has a lot to say about the environment.
25:37 Speaker 01 Hmm.
25:38 Speaker 04 But there's a main character who's just a white kid with dreads.
25:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:42 Speaker 04 Who then has to wear a mask for much of the movie. Anyways.
25:47 Pablo Torre? Kind of like a Mowgli character?
25:48 Speaker 04 All of which is to say, the movie is way too long. It's absolutely insane. Parts of it make no sense. I laughed out loud at things that weren't supposed to be funny.
25:58 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
25:59 Pablo Torre? And yet.
25:59 Speaker 04 And yet.
26:01 Speaker 01 But you said Avatar, but you said Avatar, but you said Avatar. You did not say Avatar, the last one that just happened.
26:08 Speaker 04 Great point, great point, great point.
26:10 Speaker 01 You said Avatar.
26:12 Speaker 04 Because the first Avatar is so bad.
26:18 Pablo Torre? Hold on.
26:18 Speaker 01 You said Avatar.
26:20 Pablo Torre? Hold on.
26:21 Speaker 04 Avatar 1, I saw alone in the theater on New Year's Day.
26:24 Speaker 01 I saw Avatar 1 alone in the theater, but it wasn't on New Year's Day.
26:27 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, I wasn't alone. My brother was there.
26:29 Speaker 01 Damn. Well, there goes any of that being in common.
26:31 Speaker 04 My brother, who literally brought his own towel, wiped his glasses, and everyone in the row's glasses were so different. And then as we were walking out, turned to me and said, "That's the best movie I've ever seen in my life."
26:42 Speaker 01 Wow, wow.
26:44 Pablo Torre? To be very clear, though, Mina's relationship with her brother is like, uh... Which athlete have you compared it to previously?
26:51 Speaker 04 I really thought you were reaching for a solitaire thing there.
26:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, oh wow. She's just waiting for it. She's got her guns out.
26:57 Speaker 04 My brother, I think he's kind of the Travis Kelsey to my Jason Kelsey, now that I think about it.
27:01 Pablo Torre? I was gonna go Michael and Marcus Vick.
27:03 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, right.
27:04 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:05 Speaker 04 But he also is like, he's like, he is like the Travis Kelsey of our family.
27:08 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:08 Speaker 04 Complimentary, in a lot of ways.
27:10 Speaker 01 Yes, in a lot of ways, and then in others.
27:12 Pablo Torre? Underogatory.
27:13 Speaker 01 And then in others.
27:14 Pablo Torre? The, okay, so the reason I'm gonna keep this card is because this group chat bought tickets to see Avatar 3.
27:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:22 Pablo Torre? In LA.
27:23 Speaker 04 Summer 19.
27:23 Pablo Torre? And is telling me to fly to LA to join them.
27:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:26 Pablo Torre? And that suggests to me that this is beyond a single film. This is a franchise concept.
27:30 Speaker 01 And I see the semantic argument that you're making, but I haven't seen the second Avatar film, so I won't, you won't be getting my card, because I can't give it two stars. I've only seen the first one.
27:43 Speaker 04 You just argue. Keep it, keep it, keep it. I don't care. Keep it.
27:46 Pablo Torre? I feel like I'm entitled to both cards, but I'm gonna take one.
27:47 Speaker 01 You're not entitled to both. You would feel that way, man. Now, see, we can gang up on him as well.
27:52 Pablo Torre? Now I know how, now I know how.
27:54 Speaker 01 Does it always have to be?
27:55 Speaker 04 Just keep it, whatever.
27:55 Pablo Torre? Pocahontas felt, being colonized.
27:57 Speaker 01 Well, now what, now what, do I keep it if I?
28:00 Speaker 04 No, you get back to the pile. You only get to keep the pile, the cards you win.
28:03 Speaker 01 That you win.
28:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
28:04 Speaker 01 Okay, and I won this.
28:05 Speaker 04 So, yes, and I just remembered, the animals in the back are actually the amount of points, because a one star is not hard, but a three star is harder to guess, so that's how it works. Okay.
28:14 Speaker 01 What?
28:14 Pablo Torre? I don't understand anything you just said.
28:15 Speaker 04 At the end, at the end.
28:17 Speaker 01 I don't know how to get this under there.
28:19 Speaker 04 At the end, when we do with the, you know, the recompiling of the points.
28:22 Speaker 01 Okay, and you'll handle that, I guess, and she'll just know how to add it up, and we'll just trust that Mina, the most competitive of all of us.
28:30 Speaker 04 As a woman once famously said on a since-deleted Twitter post to Stephen A. Smith, "That's an easy win for me."
28:39 Speaker 01 I'm A-miling you. You can't make a joke if I make the first.
28:42 Pablo Torre? I did have that, I did have that, I did have that ready.
28:45 Speaker 01 Cheddar Bob. Is that his name?
28:47 Pablo Torre? Cheddar Bob.
28:48 Speaker 04 Uh...
28:49 Pablo Torre? I, Mom Spaghetti, a five-star food.
28:52 Speaker 04 Okay. You guys go, okay, here we are.
28:55 Speaker 01 Three stars.
28:55 Speaker 04 Brand.
28:56 Pablo Torre? Two.
28:57 Speaker 04 Okay, this is Brand. We talked about Brand.
28:59 Speaker 01 A three-star Brand.
29:00 Speaker 04 Okay, so this is like something you feel slightly better about than him, but you're both kind of meh on. I'm gonna go with, this is a bit of a shot in the dark here. I'm gonna go with Taco Bell here.
29:14 Pablo Torre? Mmm.
29:15 Speaker 01 Oh.
29:16 Speaker 04 Think about it.
29:17 Speaker 01 Couldn't be more wrong.
29:17 Pablo Torre? Okay.
29:18 Speaker 04 Really?
29:18 Speaker 01 Absolutely not. Taco, if we're comparing it to other fast food brands, Taco Bell would be my like five star.
29:26 Speaker 04 Really?
29:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:28 Speaker 04 Wow.
29:28 Speaker 01 Taco Bell's up there.
29:29 Pablo Torre? What are you ordering?
29:30 Speaker 01 Uh, well, it depends.
29:31 Pablo Torre? What's a five star order at Taco Bell?
29:32 Speaker 01 I would say probably a cheesy gordita crunch with no lettuce. A, I go regular Mountain Dew. I know people love the Baja Blast, but I'm a Mountain Dew, regular, original blend girl. And then I will usually get like two hard tacos.
29:48 Speaker 04 Um, hard tacos?
29:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I'm boring. But they also, those chicken cantina tacos are good too, though. Those new ones. And then sometimes I'll get a chalupa. Uh, again, no lettuce, because it's just, you know, get out of here, ew. Um, you know, Dan's big on the quesadillas. I don't do a burrito. I've never gotten a burrito from Taco Bell. But yeah, cinnamon twists, I'm all over that menu.
30:09 Speaker 04 I didn't.
30:10 Pablo Torre? I think Katie has sufficiently proven that this is more than a three star.
30:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:13 Speaker 04 I didn't even know there were people who ate hard tacos at Taco Bell.
30:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, nice to meet you.
30:18 Pablo Torre? I haven't had Taco Bell in like 15 years, but I stop by and I do glance.
30:23 Speaker 01 I've had it more recently than 15 days. I've had it, I had it last week.
30:27 Speaker 04 Are you like a Taco Bell guy?
30:30 Pablo Torre? I, so I, I.
30:32 Speaker 04 Like, would you ever, would you, as we pondered the two stars, you've clearly lost this one.
30:36 Pablo Torre? Okay, that's, that's, that's, let's leave that here for now.
30:38 Speaker 04 If you were in a, let's say you're in a mall food court.
30:40 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
30:40 Speaker 04 And there's a litany of options, what are the best mall food courts?
30:43 Pablo Torre? Auntie Anne's, number one.
30:44 Speaker 01 Sark, Sarku Japan, is that what it's called?
30:47 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:48 Speaker 01 Something like that. Then Sabaro, the pizza place. There's a, um. What else is in a mall? Is this, are you guys just proving how lowbrow my tastes are? Is that what they go, just let her go, she'll do it?
30:58 Speaker 04 It's changed now. There's like the LeBron chain, Blaze Pizza is always in malls.
31:03 Speaker 01 Ew, what? I've literally never seen that.
31:05 Speaker 04 It's always in malls now.
31:06 Speaker 01 Ew, what?
31:06 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
31:07 Speaker 01 The. Johnny Rockets, if you're getting nasty.
31:09 Speaker 04 Johnny Rocket. I like, I like the teriyaki one. They're always like, do you want a sample?
31:14 Speaker 01 And I'm. I'm like, of course I do. That's why you walk through. You want the, whenever it's always like, you want our bourbon chicken? I'm like, you know I do.
31:21 Speaker 04 Panda Express. Anyways, point is-
31:23 Pablo Torre? My thing with tacos, so I love fast food. I order the same thing, though, from McDonald's every time. I get a Big Mac.
31:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:30 Pablo Torre? I get sweet and sour sauce.
31:31 Speaker 01 Yep, sick, the best sauce, the best sauce.
31:33 Pablo Torre? It's an all-purpose sauce.
31:35 Speaker 01 Yes, for the fries, for the burgers, for the chicken.
31:37 Pablo Torre? For the burgers especially.
31:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:39 Pablo Torre? And I'm also getting an apple pie.
31:41 Speaker 01 Hey, can I litigate something here? Quick! Dan, the other day, we got McDonald's. In the order, I specifically asked for and we paid for sweet and sour sauce. Dan knows that's my sauce.
31:51 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
31:51 Speaker 01 We, Dan gets the bag, cause he's driving, puts it in his, in his lap. I wasn't gonna go, can you check and make sure the sauce is in there? But Dan goes, let me check the bag real quick, hands me the soda, so I'm like, oh, [BLEEP], let me- And he's digging through the bag, and he goes, great. The lady comes back, takes the stuff, we go, we park. No sweet and sour sauce in the bag.
32:09 Pablo Torre? What was it, hot mustard?
32:10 Speaker 01 I go, you checked, no, there was no, there just wasn't any sauce.
32:13 Speaker 04 So he just straight up lied?
32:13 Speaker 01 He checked for his stuff.
32:15 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
32:16 Speaker 01 I was like, are we in a fight right now?
32:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:19 Speaker 01 And I, and I'll tell you, I didn't blow up, but I think I was, I think I would have been justified.
32:24 Pablo Torre? Why can't we buy sweet and sour sauce from a grocery store?
32:27 Speaker 01 Because they won't, I don't know, but I bet there's a reason, and I don't want them to try to do it and have it be bad, so I'd rather just have to go there and get it, it's fine.
32:34 Speaker 04 Anyways, safety, come on.
32:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, what the hell?
32:36 Pablo Torre? You, hold on.
32:37 Speaker 04 Two stars is right for Taco Bell. You don't even, you don't even like Taco Bell. Give it to me.
32:41 Speaker 01 Did I just give myself this? I think I did.
32:42 Pablo Torre? I think you, you keep that, I don't know if Mina deserves this.
32:46 Speaker 04 You don't even eat Taco Bell.
32:48 Speaker 01 I mean, you didn't say you hate it, so it's not a one star. It does sound like it's a two star.
32:52 Pablo Torre? Fine.
32:53 Speaker 01 Goddamn. She's good at the game she invented.
32:56 Pablo Torre? I don't think this is how this game is supposed to be played.
32:58 Speaker 01 I don't think so either. I think she made this up. Is it my turn?
33:00 Speaker 04 Yes.
33:00 Speaker 01 That's for you.
33:01 Speaker 04 Thank you.
33:01 Pablo Torre? Thanks.
33:02 Speaker 01 And that's for you.
33:03 Pablo Torre? Thanks. I think sweet and sour sauce as a jug is a great product.
33:07 Speaker 01 What the [BLEEP]?
33:07 Speaker 04 Four stars here.
33:08 Pablo Torre? Two stars.
33:09 Speaker 01 Plant. What the [BLEEP]?
33:12 Speaker 04 Oh, there's some really obvious ones. Actually, are there? Cause two stars for you and four stars for me.
33:17 Speaker 01 If it were inverted, maybe. Plant. Don't ever do that again.
33:25 Speaker 01 Oh, a plant.
33:27 Speaker 04 Audio audience, Pablo just did like the Mr. Burns, but it looked like-
33:30 Pablo Torre? Just tickling.
33:30 Speaker 01 Just looked like a-
33:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, juggling two-
33:33 Pablo Torre? Some leaves.
33:34 Speaker 01 Large balls. Um, okay. Two stars for Pablo, so he's like, not really into it. Four stars for Mina, so she likes it, she's not obsessed with it. And it's a plant, it is a plant!
33:48 Pablo Torre? Bobby Althoff.
33:51 Speaker 04 Good.
33:52 Speaker 01 That's really good.
33:53 Speaker 04 You could do something like that.
33:53 Pablo Torre? Trying.
33:54 Speaker 04 You can be clever like this.
33:55 Speaker 01 Can I?
33:55 Speaker 04 You can.
33:56 Pablo Torre? Katie, you know what?
33:56 Speaker 04 Oh, good.
33:57 Pablo Torre? You know what? You too can be clever like this.
33:59 Speaker 04 Hey, thank you. Thank you for... The only reason I wasn't was because I was waiting for permission.
34:03 Speaker 01 Plant. A plant.
34:07 Speaker 04 So, this is tricky because of him, because he loves plants. So, two stars is like, what is a thing that he doesn't like? It's impossible.
34:13 Pablo Torre? I actually have expressed to Katie, now, is it a two... Well, maybe it is a two star. I've expressed to you a plant take that I am a little sensitive about how I conveyed it to you.
34:25 Speaker 01 What?
34:26 Speaker 04 What?
34:26 Speaker 01 What are you... Who are you talking to? Me or Mina?
34:28 Speaker 04 You.
34:28 Pablo Torre? I'm talking to you.
34:29 Speaker 01 Okay.
34:31 Speaker 04 Could be a vegetable too, a plant.
34:34 Speaker 01 No, what is the name of the... What's the name of the...
34:39 Pablo Torre? Dandelion?
34:39 Speaker 01 All the stuff. No, that... I Googled dandelion and it showed me a yellow thing.
34:43 Speaker 04 That is a dandelion.
34:43 Speaker 01 That's what I thought, but I Googled it.
34:45 Speaker 04 It's before the yellow things come out, right? Or after?
34:48 Pablo Torre? You're talking about the thing with like a...
34:49 Speaker 01 It's like a weed, isn't it a weed?
34:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, you blow it and...
34:51 Speaker 01 And you blow it and it goes everywhere.
34:53 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
34:54 Speaker 01 That's what I'm... That's the... That's the plant. There it is.
34:59 Speaker 04 I do like those. I loved blowing them when I was a little girl.
35:03 Speaker 01 They're a plant with something to do.
35:05 Speaker 04 And I used to, um... I used to take them and make little crowns.
35:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, cute. Very cute. And you, it's a weed. You hate a weed.
35:12 Speaker 04 I like those. You can have mine.
35:14 Pablo Torre? Here's my take. Here's my take that I was referring to.
35:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:17 Pablo Torre? I walked into your apartment.
35:18 Speaker 01 Oh, I wasn't... I stopped listening to you about that, like, so... I'm not trying to, uh...
35:23 Pablo Torre? I thought this is about friendship.
35:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is. And you saying that you don't like that I got fake plants in my apartment is none of your... Anyone else's business.
35:30 Speaker 04 That's the take?
35:30 Pablo Torre? It's just offensive.
35:31 Speaker 01 Of course, it's a fake tree.
35:32 Pablo Torre? It's offensive.
35:33 Speaker 01 You... I would kill...
35:34 Pablo Torre? It's stolen valor.
35:36 Speaker 04 Sorry, not everybody has the time and resources, Pablo.
35:41 Speaker 01 I don't water myself.
35:44 Pablo Torre? They breathe in carbon dioxide, they breathe out oxygen.
35:46 Speaker 01 I don't remember to water and feed myself. So I just want the aesthetic of it until I'm an adult that knows how the dirt works.
35:56 Pablo Torre? Get a drawing. Put a drawing of a plant on a wall.
35:59 Speaker 01 The thing was dandelion, [BLEEP] head. Did I get it or no? Hey, wait, really? You didn't even say that.
36:05 Pablo Torre? I feel bad about how I've insulted your major aesthetic.
36:08 Speaker 01 No, I don't want it. My what?
36:10 Pablo Torre? Your aesthetic.
36:11 Speaker 01 My what aesthetic?
36:12 Pablo Torre? Your major aesthetic.
36:13 Speaker 01 What does that even mean? What did you mean?
36:15 Pablo Torre? Just like you put it in your living room. I'd feel it through the...
36:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, because you guys were coming over. I wanted it to look like people lived here. We have nothing hanging on the walls. We play video games all day.
36:24 Speaker 04 I think that fake plants are okay.
36:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, he doesn't mean that. He's judging. Look, it's a means to an end. I deserve to look at a plant, and that's the plant I look at. Thank you for your card, Mina.
36:36 Speaker 04 You're welcome.
36:37 Speaker 01 Pablo, it's been nice being your friend.
36:39 Pablo Torre? Is it my turn?
36:40 Speaker 01 I think so.
36:40 Pablo Torre? All right.
36:41 Speaker 01 It's gotten tense in here.
36:42 Pablo Torre? It's gotten tense.
36:43 Speaker 01 It's gotten tense. I just want to remind you guys I love you, and I'm not being paid to be here. So...
36:49 Speaker 04 Another four star.
36:50 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, let me flip mine. Another four... Okay, Mina and I have to agree.
36:54 Speaker 04 This should be easy.
36:55 Speaker 01 Four stars.
36:56 Pablo Torre? It should be easy, but the category is book.
37:00 Speaker 01 I was hoping since this came up in the example, it would never come up again. I do know of one book we've both read recently. I don't know if our opinions on it are the same.
37:11 Speaker 04 My books are on public display every day. If you can think of a single one of the books on my shelf, it's a four-star book at least.
37:18 Pablo Torre? American Canto.
37:20 Speaker 01 Oh, [BLEEP], that's five stars. Everyone's saying, "The book about nothing."
37:25 Speaker 04 Is that, is that your choice?
37:26 Pablo Torre? No.
37:27 Speaker 01 No, he's running bits.
37:28 Pablo Torre? Oh, God.
37:31 Pablo Torre? A book? Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.
37:35 Speaker 04 I wonder what's the...
37:36 Pablo Torre? You guys in a book club together? Is that why you read the same book?
37:38 Speaker 01 No, I just, she mentioned it, and I was like, "Oh, I read that."
37:40 Speaker 04 I bet I know what it is.
37:41 Speaker 01 I wish we could do TV show. Can you dig through the pile till you get to TV show?
37:46 Pablo Torre? Just looking at the pile of books.
37:48 Speaker 01 Of your books?
37:49 Speaker 04 You're literally looking at nonfiction books in this studio.
37:53 Speaker 01 I know, Turf Wars by Demora Smith is my four-star books.
37:57 Speaker 04 100%.
37:58 Speaker 01 Oh, is that Chris Hayes's The Sirens Call?
38:00 Speaker 04 Nate Silver? Sign me up.
38:06 Speaker 04 Have you ever noticed a single of one of the books that sits behind me?
38:10 Pablo Torre? I'm gonna be honest with you guys.
38:10 Speaker 01 No, that would be nuts, I think.
38:11 Pablo Torre? Absolutely not.
38:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, there's no chance.
38:14 Pablo Torre? Every year I think Mina makes a post and she's like, "Here are all the books I've read," and I'm like,
38:17 Speaker 01 "Yo, when?"
38:18 Pablo Torre? I'm gonna scroll right past this [BLEEP].
38:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. [BLEEP] books.
38:22 Speaker 04 Okay.
38:22 Speaker 01 You know what, Pablo? Name a book. Go ahead. Try. Just try.
38:26 Pablo Torre? Oh, you know what? Okay, here we go. Here we go.
38:27 Speaker 04 Pick a popular book.
38:28 Pablo Torre? Here's a book that everybody likes.
38:30 Speaker 01 Okay, but that's four stars. You better hope I don't love it.
38:33 Pablo Torre? Babar.
38:35 Speaker 01 I don't think that was the name of the book.
38:37 Pablo Torre? It wasn't?
38:38 Speaker 01 Was it? Wasn't that a... That's like saying the Bernstein Bears.
38:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:43 Speaker 01 Isn't that a series? Isn't Babar?
38:44 Speaker 04 I also didn't grow up with Babar, so you don't get my card.
38:47 Speaker 01 Whoa, right away.
38:48 Speaker 04 I'm not...
38:49 Speaker 01 She's already hiding it.
38:50 Speaker 04 Not a Babar house.
38:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't... I don't really remember a lot about Babar. I remember liking him. I can't even picture him right now if I'm being dead honest.
38:57 Speaker 04 Four stars is a lot.
38:58 Speaker 01 Four stars is a lot. We did say it was an honor system, and I feel like I'm losing Pablo as a friend.
39:03 Pablo Torre? What... What... What books did you guys grow up being like, "That's a..."
39:06 Speaker 01 Madeline.
39:07 Pablo Torre? Okay.
39:07 Speaker 04 Madeline.
39:08 Pablo Torre? Oh, sorry for not being, uh...
39:10 Speaker 01 What's this?
39:10 Pablo Torre? ...gendered in my... What?
39:12 Speaker 01 Don't do this. Don't do this.
39:14 Pablo Torre? Eloise? You wanted some Eloise? Want to throw us some Eloise?
39:16 Speaker 01 No, she's too elitist for me. At the Plaza?
39:19 Pablo Torre? She lives at the Plaza.
39:20 Speaker 01 My goodness.
39:21 Pablo Torre? All right.
39:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, you're not...
39:23 Pablo Torre? What book did you guys read together?
39:24 Speaker 01 We didn't read it together, Pablo. We are just two adults who both read a popular book. It would happen more often if you picked one up. It was Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.
39:34 Speaker 04 That, yeah. Great book.
39:36 Speaker 01 It was good.
39:36 Speaker 04 Yeah. I thought you were gonna say Martyr, because I was just talking about Martyr recently.
39:40 Speaker 01 Wait, we don't keep... You kept yours? No?
39:41 Speaker 04 No, I put it back in the pile. He didn't get any of yours.
39:46 Speaker 04 Uh, The Tomorrow... Tomorrow and Tomorrow is the name of it. Uh, it takes place at Harvard. You... They, um... It's about a pair of game designers who meet in... It's beautiful. You should read it. It's a really fun book.
40:02 Speaker 01 Jesus, Pablo. So smart. So smart. Anti-book.
40:05 Pablo Torre? I just woke up.
40:07 Speaker 04 Uh, what's up? Mina's turn? Sorry, my 15-second description of a book was boring.
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41:55 Speaker 04 Oh, this is a good category. Finally!
41:57 Speaker 01 Pablo has five stars, Katie has two stars.
42:00 Speaker 04 Okay, I got a good one. What am I into?
42:02 Speaker 01 Why do you want to fight?
42:03 Speaker 04 I got a good one here.
42:04 Speaker 01 Okay, what is it? Oh, animal. Okay, so Pablo's got to love this animal, and I, good luck, have to give it two stars.
42:15 Speaker 04 My animal is...
42:19 Speaker 04 I know one that he loves. Uh, yeah.
42:24 Speaker 04 But I'm worried it'll be too high for you.
42:27 Speaker 01 I mean, that's, it's, I'm not having a hard time thinking of an animal I have two stars about.
42:33 Speaker 04 Right.
42:33 Speaker 01 I like most of them. They're, most of them rule, so.
42:36 Speaker 04 So it's like, I gotta think of an animal that you'd be like, oh, if you saw it, and you'd be like, I could take it or leave it, that he would find interesting. Or should I just try to get his card?
42:46 Speaker 01 Probably.
42:47 Speaker 04 All right.
42:48 Pablo Torre? Okay.
42:48 Speaker 04 I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with a killer whale.
42:52 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah, that's obvious. You have to, you can't not.
42:55 Pablo Torre? I went whale watching my bachelor party to the Pacific Northwest.
42:58 Speaker 01 I know what she's trying to do.
43:00 Pablo Torre? Oh, God.
43:01 Speaker 04 I was leading the witness.
43:02 Speaker 01 Trying to do.
43:03 Speaker 04 I was. I didn't say orca for a reason.
43:05 Speaker 01 Which is like, I can't love a predator.
43:08 Pablo Torre? An apex predator, actually.
43:10 Speaker 01 I hate an apex predator, but I don't hate because it's an animal. So I'd go a step above and go like, well, I still love it. And I, I think it would end up at three stars if I were being like, fully honest.
43:24 Pablo Torre? Now, now, now we're in the endgame.
43:25 Speaker 01 But she's kicking our ass. There's no, we're not coming back from it.
43:29 Speaker 04 It was a risk. We are the Free Willy generation.
43:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I love, and listen to me, I loved Free Willy. I fixated on Free Willy.
43:38 Pablo Torre? What does that mean?
43:39 Speaker 01 Like, um, you know, when you-
43:40 Pablo Torre? You want it to be standing there underneath?
43:42 Speaker 01 Do you know when you, um, this might just be like an ADD thing, I don't know, but it, like, when you like a song and then you just listen to that song?
43:48 Speaker 04 Oh, my God.
43:49 Speaker 01 Like, a lot.
43:51 Speaker 04 The Free Willy soundtrack is one of the greatest soundtracks of our time.
43:54 Speaker 01 That was like, probably my first interaction on my own with Michael Jackson, and I remember going like, this song.
44:00 Pablo Torre? Talk about predators.
44:02 Speaker 01 The key change at the end, I'm like, I'm ascending, homie!
44:06 Speaker 04 Okay, Free Willy story, quickly. I saw that in, what year did that come out? I was like 10.
44:11 Speaker 01 I would say 96, 98.
44:13 Speaker 04 I was like 10, 10, 10, 11. So I saw that in the theaters with my whole family. When the kid, spoiler alert, stands up, lifts his arm, and Free Willy jumps over to freedom. Sun Minkai, I realize I've been blowing up my family a lot on this podcast. Sun Minkai, in a packed theater, stood up.
44:32 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
44:33 Speaker 04 And gave the whale a standing ovation. I've never been more embarrassed than I was in my life.
44:39 Speaker 01 Amazing.
44:40 Speaker 04 And no one joined her, she just did it by herself.
44:43 Pablo Torre? That's a six-star animal.
44:45 Speaker 01 I wish she would have put her fist up at the end.
44:48 Pablo Torre? Oh, God.
44:49 Speaker 01 A beautiful.
44:50 Pablo Torre? Given that, I've, I mean, so just to recap, so Mina's mom has stood up and clapped during Free Willy. Mina has stood up and clapped during Draft Day.
45:00 Speaker 01 Yes.
45:00 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, we are, yeah, we did.
45:01 Speaker 01 We did do that.
45:02 Speaker 04 I didn't actually stand up and clap.
45:04 Pablo Torre? Oh.
45:05 Speaker 04 I didn't, I led a- Stand up and clap! I led a chant, which is different.
45:10 Pablo Torre? Like, because you saw some NFL logos.
45:12 Speaker 01 Why is this written? Why do I have a weird one that's written by hand?
45:15 Speaker 04 That must be like a-
45:16 Speaker 01 I hate it. This looks like a, this looks like a [bleep] ransom note. It just says, "Substance."
45:23 Pablo Torre? Ooh.
45:24 Speaker 01 Okay, written by hand. So this must be when you buy the deck, which you can do now if you go to, um, then you write in, you can write in your own.
45:32 Pablo Torre? So I have a three-star card.
45:34 Speaker 04 You have a three-star, okay.
45:34 Speaker 01 And you have a one-star card for a substance.
45:37 Speaker 04 Substance.
45:38 Speaker 01 This sucks. All right, a substance, something that you are-
45:43 Speaker 04 Obvious ones come to mind.
45:44 Speaker 01 Really against, really not into, and you are like, "Uh, you could do with it, you could do without it."
45:53 Pablo Torre? Like, I'm on Yelp and I'm like, "I guess I'll do this substance," but I've been scrolling for a bit.
45:57 Speaker 01 But as far as substances go, not at the top.
46:00 Pablo Torre? Wouldn't be my first choice.
46:01 Speaker 01 Wouldn't be your first or second.
46:02 Pablo Torre? Probably like the third page of the search results.
46:05 Speaker 01 Three, if you had five pages. Um, and one-
46:09 Speaker 04 A lot of things gross me out, so you can grab one.
46:12 Speaker 01 I know.
46:13 Speaker 04 It's right here for you.
46:14 Speaker 01 Uh, all right, so-
46:17 Pablo Torre? It's pretty hard to gross me out, I think. It's pretty hard to gross me out, I think.
46:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, so I think this is, you can get, you can get both of ours here. I believe in you.
46:28 Speaker 01 I mean, I had one.
46:29 Speaker 04 I know what you're thinking, you can't say it.
46:31 Speaker 01 I know, but it would be-
46:33 Speaker 04 You can't say it, Katie!
46:34 Speaker 01 It would be, I'd say, three stars for Pablo, because he's happy it's there, he's happy it's there, the getting there is what he liked, okay? But now that it's there, he does have to clean it up. And you would give it one star, because it's, you're only ever, you're not, it's not the point, you know, it's not what you were looking for, but it does mean you got what you wanted, I guess, but technically, so I would have said [bleep], but I'm instead-
46:58 Speaker 04 You didn't have to actually say it, we all knew what you were talking about.
47:00 Pablo Torre? I just gave you my card.
47:02 Speaker 01 I'm just gonna- You've put me in a really difficult situation here. So let's not. Keep your card.
47:07 Pablo Torre? Okay.
47:08 Speaker 01 Keep your card, cut it out. Okay, we all love jizz, male loneliness epidemic, please. There's nothing I can say about this- I know. -good or bad. Substance. So I'm gonna say, uh, um, goo. Just goo? Goo.
47:24 Pablo Torre? Mmm, like slime, like kid slime?
47:27 Speaker 01 No, cuz I would've said slime like kid slime.
47:29 Pablo Torre? Are you talking about gak?
47:30 Speaker 01 It's goo. I mean, yeah, I don't like that. You don't hate it.
47:38 Speaker 01 What, goo, goo, when I think of goo-
47:40 Pablo Torre? I'm thinking about like those, remember those, when you're, like, you could go to a store and you could get like a hand made of like slime and just like-
47:46 Speaker 01 Yep, that's gooey. I have many of those in my house at this moment. Yeah. And they are, they, the way they pick up dirt and lint on the floor- The hair, dog hair. It took like one day. They're disgusting. Yeah. When I think of goo, I think of like when you get on a plane and you're like, hmm, and then you look and on the side of your seat, there's like gum. Oh, God.
48:05 Pablo Torre? You know my position on-
48:06 Speaker 01 I think of like errant hair gel that's like dangling, but not in a, something about Mary. Three C's. I could just see you like going like, no, I don't hate goo, there's good goo.
48:15 Pablo Torre? Here's why I'm gonna keep this card.
48:16 Speaker 01 Okay.
48:17 Pablo Torre? Okay?
48:17 Speaker 01 Cuz you're a hater.
48:18 Pablo Torre? It's because, uh, the thing I hate more than anything, my true zero star substance is just gum.
48:25 Speaker 01 Yeah. Really?
48:26 Pablo Torre? And the reason is because, as people in this studio have heard me say before, I used to run my hands underneath the desk at school.
48:34 Speaker 01 Did I leave gum at your desk seat when I did your, with your daughter? I may have. You do- I'm just, that was me just remembering that I may have left under your side of the table.
48:42 Pablo Torre? You know.
48:43 Speaker 01 If there was gum there, it was me. Cuz I think I said, remind me, and then I forgot completely. I'm sticking my gum under your table, but I'll remember and I'll take it when I leave. We're both children.
48:55 Speaker 04 Why would you do that in the first place?
48:57 Speaker 01 Because I had to, I was recording. There was no trash.
49:00 Pablo Torre? It's [__] in there!
49:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's mine.
49:03 Speaker 04 Wait, what?
49:05 Pablo Torre? That's disgusting!
49:06 Speaker 01 Katie!
49:07 Pablo Torre? What the hell?
49:08 Speaker 01 What is wrong with you?
49:10 Speaker 04 Hell yeah.
49:13 Speaker 01 I had to go. Listen, your daughter getting a child to sit? Getting a, getting a child?
49:18 Pablo Torre? Why did you?
49:19 Speaker 01 Getting a child to sit and be ready, because getting a child to sit and be ready to record was hard enough. When she was finally ready, I didn't want to go, "Let me get the trash." So I went, "I'm putting this," I said out loud, "I'm putting this under the table."
49:30 Pablo Torre? I think I touched it.
49:31 Speaker 01 Remind me to get it later, and I never got it. And I just realized it while you were talking about it.
49:37 Speaker 04 You're like an eight-year-old character in a children's book. Who does this?
49:40 Speaker 01 I know. I know. Isn't that awesome?
49:44 Pablo Torre? You do this in my, in my studio?
49:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, dude. Yeah.
49:49 Pablo Torre? That's [__] gross.
49:50 Speaker 01 Sick. I'll get it before I leave. Let's get back to it, dude. You need me to get it now or you can't go on?
49:54 Pablo Torre? I think you should.
49:55 Speaker 01 You need me to get it now or you can't go on?
49:56 Speaker 04 When did you do this?
49:57 Speaker 01 When was your birthday?
49:59 Pablo Torre? [__]. September 20th. [__] you.
50:02 Speaker 01 What?
50:05 Speaker 04 What an ins- this game was supposed to bring us together.
50:08 Pablo Torre? With a hand! With a hand!
50:11 Speaker 01 It's my gum!
50:13 Pablo Torre? Oh, God!
50:15 Speaker 04 You guys are [__] freaks.
50:17 Pablo Torre? What?
50:17 Speaker 01 We're the freaks!
50:19 Pablo Torre? We're the-
50:20 Speaker 04 You guys are nuts. It's just such a-
50:21 Pablo Torre? Just- Why, why is anyone touching this?
50:26 Speaker 01 Somebody get a napkin!
50:27 Pablo Torre? Patrick, just-
50:29 Speaker 01 Guys, the inside of my mouth, contrary to popular belief, not a trash heap, okay? God, that made my day.
50:37 Pablo Torre? Can't believe that.
50:38 Speaker 01 Oh my God, I'm like, I'm like-
50:40 Pablo Torre? You know what? And I'm, I'm, you know what? I knew something was off.
50:43 Speaker 01 Yeah. And to be clear, it was hidden in like, behind a-
50:49 Speaker 01 Thing that you would never- What are you clarifying? Well, how does that make it better? I didn't put it like right under where your hands would be. I put it way away.
50:55 Pablo Torre? That's how it starts.
50:56 Speaker 01 I just forgot. I'm sorry, and I forgot. And I meant to come back for it. And look, as soon as we remembered it was there, I got it. What's the problem? Nobody was under there. I don't see, I really don't see what the problem is.
51:08 Pablo Torre? What did we, what did we?
51:09 Speaker 01 What would you have done? What would you have rather I do? Swallow it, have it in there for seven years? No way. I had to just put it, I meant to get it and I forgot. Do you want to keep playing your game?
51:20 Pablo Torre? What did we find out today?
51:22 Speaker 01 C'm.
51:25 Speaker 01 I wanted to say c'm.
51:27 Pablo Torre? And if you had, all of this would have been avoided.
51:41 Pablo Torre? Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Avaroma, Maxwell Carney, Ryan Cortez, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McCray, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, and Chris Tumanello. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Sound design by Andrew Bersick and NGW Post. Theme song, as always, by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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