Templars, Atlantis, and the Ark of the Covenant | Basement: Tim Hogan

Timothy Hogan is an author, lecturer, and esoteric researcher specializing in the Knights Templar, alchemy, Gnosticism, and Hermetic traditions. Introduced to the Templar tradition in childhood, he later pursued Rosicrucian and Masonic studies, attaining high degrees across several rites. He is the Grand Master of the Order of the Temple of the Secret Initiates and founded the Templar Collegia to teach Templar philosophy and symbolism. Hogan has written seven books exploring history, symbolism, and ancient wisdom traditions. He lectures internationally on cross-cultural symbolism and spiritual philosophy, and leads historical study tours through Egypt, Europe, and Mesoamerica. His work focuses on the transmission of esoteric knowledge, initiation traditions, and the deeper symbolism behind the Holy Grail and alchemy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-zETVa8mY&t=3s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30AJ Gentile?

  Today, we are sitting down with Tim Hogan, Knights Templar Grand Master, 32nd Degree Mason, and a guy who was initiated into the Order at age 8.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  32nd degree? That's like getting a DLC for Secret Society Simulator.

• 0:44AJ Gentile?

  Is that a real game?

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Eh, not yet. Copyright me, patent pending, all rights reserved.

• 0:50AJ Gentile?

  Tim's family line runs deep in this stuff. His great-grandfather, seven generations back, was General Joseph Warren, the man who initiated Paul Revere and helped organize the Boston Tea Party. His own father, the mayor of Aurora, Colorado, was involved in developing Denver International Airport. Yeah, that airport.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  The Horse of Death, the Nazi bunker, and illicit people's murals? Finally, someone who knows what's under that runway.

• 1:15AJ Gentile?

  Tim's written seven books on alchemy and ancient mysteries. He leads expeditions into Egypt, where his group has private access to places tourists never see: the Sphinx enclosure, sealed chambers at Dendera, even the Great Pyramid itself, where he conducts actual Templar initiations.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Wow, that sounds like my pesky family initiation, when I became a made fish.

• 1:36AJ Gentile?

  What happened during your initiation?

• 1:38Speaker 02

  I can't tell you that, human. I took an oberta.

• 1:42AJ Gentile?

  Fair enough. Today, we're going deep. We'll cover the standard Templar history, but then Tim's gonna take us into the secret history: the archaeological digs under the Temple Mount, six ancient arcs his Order claims to have recovered, a connection between ancient Egypt and the Mayans, monoatomic gold as a superconductive power source, and yes, he says the Templars possess the bones of Jesus. This one gets wild. Tim is more than an encyclopedia, he's an amazing storyteller. Let's go downstairs.

• 2:18AJ Gentile?

  Tim, welcome.

• 2:20Speaker 04

  Thank you for having me, AJ.

• 2:21AJ Gentile?

  I'm so excited, because you know I've been a fan of yours for a long time.

• 2:25Speaker 04

  Well, I've been a fan of yours too, so I'm super excited to be here. I'm so glad you're doing this format.

• 2:31AJ Gentile?

  It's, um, with all the stories that I research, the people behind them are so interesting, that I thought it would be fun to have them in here, and you are one of those. When I was putting together my Knights Templar episode, I had a couple of drafts. I ran it by my community, and they said, "You need to look into Tim Hogan." So I started listening to your interviews, and I said, "I don't need to do any more research. This guy knows everything about the knights." So, encyclopedic knowledge.

• 2:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you.

• 2:59AJ Gentile?

  So, what I want to do is, I want to get into your personal journey in the Order, then to the fun stuff. So, we're talking alchemy, ancient Egypt, Ark of the Covenant,

• 3:08Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 3:09AJ Gentile?

  Anunnaki,

• 3:10Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 3:10AJ Gentile?

  Which I think we can connect.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 3:12AJ Gentile?

  But let's start today with the mundane,

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:15AJ Gentile?

  With the cover story.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 3:17AJ Gentile?

  Can you walk us through 1118 to 1307?

• 3:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, just general history?

• 3:22AJ Gentile?

  Just the general history. Then we'll get into the real story.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  So, according to standard historians, the Templar Order was founded in 1118. There were nine knights, started by Hugh de Paines and Godfrey de Saint Omar, two French knights who had been involved in a number of different things. But they ended up going down to Jerusalem. They got,

• 3:46Speaker 04

  by King Baldwin II gave them property at, near the Temple Mount, at an area that's now referred to as King Solomon's Stables. And, uh, they, for, they set up an order ostensibly to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land. So, these nine knights were supposed to protect all the pilgrims in the Holy Land, so for the first 20 years, this is what was said they were doing. Now, this was more of a cover story. They were actually doing digging. Uh, they're doing what we would refer to as archaeology now.

• 4:25AJ Gentile?

  Well, before we get there, hold on.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:27AJ Gentile?

  Um, cause not everybody knows this stuff.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  Okay, you're right.

• 4:30AJ Gentile?

  So they're protecting pilgrims. Can you just, and very briefly, because we want to get to the good stuff.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 4:36AJ Gentile?

  Explain the commanderies, how they accumulated wealth.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, so what they do would do is they would set up these commanderies throughout Europe and, as well as in the Holy Land. And really where they started making money is they became a banking system. Where if you were gonna, back then, you have to understand that Christians would travel to Jerusalem in the same way that Muslims would travel to Mecca today. Uh, so it was like deemed that once in your life, you go to Jerusalem and you see the holy places where Jesus walked and where Moses was and where King Solomon's temple was said to be. And, uh, you would, you'd take this pilgrimage. Well, it was very dangerous to travel back then.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  I mean, the, the world was full of ruffians and thieves and, and, uh, if you had any money on you, of course they were going to steal it. So what the Templar Order did is they set up a thing where you could deposit your money at the commandery in, let's say, London, and you get a special note. And then when you arrived in Jerusalem, you could go to the commander in Jerusalem, present this note, and they give you your money back, you know, with a small fee taken out.

• 5:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  And so that small fee, you know, added up. And this is really where the Templar Order developed its wealth. And because when they were created, they didn't have to answer to anybody but the Pope, it gave them a lot of freedom and a lot of latitude to do a lot of things, including associating with other, other religious traditions and other cultures that didn't exist in Europe. Uh, I mean, uh, as they went into the Holy Land, there were, there were groups like the Druze and the Sibians and others that were translating Greek and Roman texts. And these hadn't made their way into Europe yet. And so by having these associations with the Templar Order.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  The Templars were able to gain knowledge that just wasn't accessible at the time in Europe. And they learned of traditions like Pythagorean traditions and, you know, the works of Plato and things that we kind of take for granted now that just was not available at the time. They also had to have associations with Islamic groups that were already existing in the Holy Land at the time. And while they, they later would get dragged into having to, to fight and defend territories on behalf of the church.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  That wasn't their main focus. Their main focus was actually establishing connections with these different traditions. So they could gain their knowledge and, and bring that knowledge back to Europe. Really to try to get Europe out of the Dark Ages. They believed that if they, if they gained the technology and the philosophies of what they believed was the pre-civilization, the civilization before Noah.

• 7:40AJ Gentile?

  Don't, don't, don't do it yet.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Don't yet. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 7:44AJ Gentile?

  Cause you're gonna get me excited.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 7:46AJ Gentile?

  And as we get down there, if I, you're, you're a brilliant storyteller. So if you see me almost stepping on a punchline or stealing your thunder, slow me down. I'll get there.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 7:58AJ Gentile?

  All right. But take us to 1307. They've accumulated wealth.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Right. So they've accumulated all this wealth. The king of France at the time, Philip the Fair. He needed money. He wanted to set himself up as the new war king of Europe. And he also wanted to control the church. He had, he had, he had already, by some accounts, poisoned one pope, assassinated one pope to try to get the pope he wanted onto the throne. He eventually got Clement V onto the throne. And then he, he also owed a bunch of money to the Templar Order. Uh, who they had been loaning him money, you know, all along.

• 8:41Speaker 04

  Uh, but he needed more money and he knew that they had amassed a great fortune at the Paris Commandery. So what he did was he, in September of 1307, he issued arrest warrants that were to be implemented on, in October, October 13th, in fact, Friday, October 13th, 1307, to arrest the entire Templar Order and to bring them up on charges with the hopes of then securing their, their wealth. Now, the Templar Order, they had spies everywhere, they knew about this.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  They set up a plan where Jack de Malley, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order, he kind of stayed behind in Paris. They, they normally, you know, had about 100,000 Templars in Paris. They, most of them fled Paris, a few stayed behind to appear as business as usual. Because the Templars had a fleet. They had an entire fleet, yeah, and so the night before, on October 12th, 1307, the fleet disappears, along with all the wealth of the Grand Commandery of Paris. And Jack de Malley is staying behind with a few hundred other knights.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  The arrest orders get implemented on Friday, October 13th, they're rounded up. This is the origin of the unlucky date of Friday, the 13th. Yep. And, and then, they're tortured for seven years. I think Jack de Malley thought that, and by the way, they also wanted the Pope, wanted, Pope Clement V wanted the Templar Order to merge with their rival order, which was, was the Knights Hospitallier. Knights Hospitallier later became the Knights of Malta, but that's a different story, but the...

• 10:41Speaker 05

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• 11:10Speaker 04

  The Templar Order wouldn't do it. Jack de Molay wouldn't do it because they would have lost all of their freedoms that they had. And the Templars were known for trying to fight for freedoms of individuals as well. They were, they helped instigate the signing of the Magna Carta, for example, which gave people rights for the first time in, in England, you know?

• 11:34AJ Gentile?

  God-given rights.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  God-given rights, yeah. And this was, this was talked about even in Wolf von Wannesch in Box Parceval, which was a book published in the 1200s where it says the Templars were these Grail guardians. They're the guardians of the Grail. And it said, on the Grail altar, it said, "If any Templar should become ruler of a foreign people, let him ensure that they are given their God-given rights." Well, this is the first time in history where it's even suggested that people have God-given rights. I mean, rights back then were said to come from the Pope or from the King, and that was it.

• 12:14Speaker 04

  So the fact that the Templars were fighting for people to have rights, you know, this was bad for business for both the Pope and the, and the King. So that's why they entered into this conspiracy to suppress the Templar Order.

• 12:29AJ Gentile?

  So, and this brings me to a question I want to get your take on because I heard you mention this recently.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 12:35AJ Gentile?

  That kind of, kind of shocked me a little bit.

• 12:39AJ Gentile?

  I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell the, the quick version of what's, of the mainstream version of the story.

• 12:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:46AJ Gentile?

  Early 2000s, a document is discovered in the Vatican Archives called the Shonon Partridge.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Right, sure.

• 12:51AJ Gentile?

  Where Pope Clement V absolves the knights.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 12:54AJ Gentile?

  And I kind of assumed that was true, but you have a different...

• 12:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, everyone assumes it's true, but the thing is, so Napoleon...

• 13:06Speaker 04

  People forget Napoleon raided the Vatican archives. Napoleon's personal physician was Bernard Raymond Fabre Paloprat, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order Underground. Napoleon himself believed himself to be the illegitimate grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was also a Templar out of Scotland. So, so one of the things that Napoleon was doing is he was looking for Templar artifacts, specifically when he raided the Vatican. He brought all those archives back to France,

• 13:49Speaker 04

  where they were sifted through at Saint Sulpice. The Chien on parchment was never found, right? All of a sudden, years later, Dan Brown becomes popular talking about Templar stuff.

• 14:05AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  That becomes this big thing. And low and behold, out of nowhere, this new Chien on parchment is found, absolving the Templar Order, that, and it's, and it's being kind of sketchily verified as even being legit. And everyone just accepts it as real, but.

• 14:27AJ Gentile?

  I did.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, everyone did, but, but I don't, I don't believe. I, I think it was a later forgery.

• 14:37AJ Gentile?

  And after I heard your explanation of it, I, I'm leaning your way because it, it doesn't absolve the knights as much as it absolves the Church.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Sure, it's exactly right.

• 14:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, because the Church, you know, they, they, they, they sank, they sanctioned torture.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  And accusing the Templar Order of all kinds of made up heresies that we know now are just, you know, made up. And then ultimately in 1314, Jack de Malley, as well as a number of other knights, Geoffrey Charnay, who was one of his top preceptors of Twa region, and others, they were all burnt to the stake. And the Templar, and Jack de Malley, right before he died, he said, "Look, I do not consent to any of these, these false charges."

• 15:41Speaker 04

  And he told both Clement V and Philip the Fair that they would both join him in the afterlife within a year.

• 15:50AJ Gentile?

  This is the curse.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  This was the curse. And they both did. They both died, you know, within, within a year, you know, and which, you know, has led to some speculation if they were poisoned secretly, if they were, you know, secretly assassinated.

• 16:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Which led to that.

• 16:07AJ Gentile?

  I think the Pope was poisoned, because I think he actually died of dysentery.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. So, but there, but the, but that was, and that was in March of 1314. But they, and they were both, and like Jack de Malley, he was burnt just outside of Notre Dame Cathedral.

• 16:25AJ Gentile?

  Hmm.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  And to this day, there's still a plaque there where he was, where he was burned. And it's, it's on the island there, just outside of Notre Dame.

• 16:35AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. And some people speculated that because the Templars were largely responsible for building those cathedrals.

• 16:43AJ Gentile?

  Certainly.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. And they funded them and they provided the manpower and then they incorporated esoteric knowledge that they're bringing back from the Middle East onto those cathedrals.

• 16:56AJ Gentile?

  Sure. And we can see their graffiti all over Europe.

• 16:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:00AJ Gentile?

  So before we get into the, the real history.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:04AJ Gentile?

  Can you take us through your personal experience? You're initiated as a pageant age eight?

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Eight, yeah.

• 17:10AJ Gentile?

  What is, what is that?

• 17:11Speaker 04

  So, so, yeah, so there's this whole tradition that was set up specifically for

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Uh, young people to go through this knighthood program.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  And I didn't know it at the time. I just was, you know, I was participating in it, but my first induction ceremony was at age eight. Did you know your family was so deeply in that? You didn't. I had no clue. And you're, you're. I wasn't even told till I was 18. So I had, I had gone through this whole program, this knighthood program where I spent six years

• 17:54Speaker 04

  trying to attain these different ranks of knighthood. Mom, you should have sent me to this instead of the Boy Scouts. I'm just saying. Yeah. Well, you know, the Boy Scouts were founded by Templars too. Powell, Powell was a Templar, but if you look at the old Boy Scout handbooks, they, they, they talk about how the, the, a modern Boy Scout is a, is a Templar, basically. So, but, um, but yeah, so I went through this program, uh, and then by the age of 18, I, I had attained this rank of Sir Knight within it. And, you know, I, along the way I had to, I had to work on all these different things. I had to, I had to study the mysteries of the Grail and I had to try to inculcate these values.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  You know, these virtues and trying to become a good citizen and leader in the world and all this stuff. By the time I was 18 and I, and I'd gone through this program,

• 18:49Speaker 04

  I realized it was all the people who I was like, who set up this program? And I started looking into it and realized it was all these, um, Freemasons and Templars that had set up this program. And, um, and so I was like, oh, I better, I think I need to become a Freemason, you know? So I went to, I remember I was in college at the time. And I went over to my mom's house to do laundry. As, as we all do. Yeah, right. And I said, and she said, what are you up to? And I said, oh, well, I, you know, I think I'm going to try to become a Freemason. And she said, oh. You know, you're, you're, both your grandfathers are Freemasons. Your dad went through that system.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  Your great grandparents are all involved in it. You have a long family line involved in all that. I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, it was your grandpa that, that, that put me, had you put you in that program when you were a kid. Wow. I had no clue about any of this. So she encouraged me to reach out to them. And then I found out, uh, that I had this long family lineage on both sides of my family. I involved in all this going way back and, uh, including my, my great grandfather, seven generations back, was the martyr of the Revolutionary War.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  He was General Joseph Warren. He's the one who initiated Paul Revere. He's the one who set up the Boston Tea Party. And he was, uh, and he was a grand commander in the Templar Order at the time. And his brother, John Warren, was the first Grand Master of Freemasonry in the forming of the United States. And his, his, his son, Joseph Warren Jr., ended up marrying Elizabeth Burns, who was the poet Robert Burns's daughter. And Robert Burns was also a Templar in Scotland. And he wrote, uh, All Enzyme that we all sing on, um, New Year's Day every, every year, you know?

• 21:02Speaker 04

  So, um, amongst other things. So anyhow, I had this like, so my middle name's Warren, because that's my mother's maiden name. And so the Warren side of the family all goes back to that. And my, my grandfather Hugh Warren.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  He was named Hugh after Hugh DePaines.

• 21:20AJ Gentile?

  Of course.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  And, you know, and then he had the Warren, you know, side of it. You know, he's the one who got me involved in all this stuff. And, and then on my dad's side, Howard Hogan. You know, he was really active in Freemasonry, was a, was a high degree mason in Nebraska and his.

• 21:44AJ Gentile?

  And your father was a very popular politician in Colorado.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Correct. Yeah. And he was, he'd been raised, he went through a Demolay program when he was growing up.

• 21:52AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  And I have all those old Demolay stuff and he became a mason and he was, yeah, and he was mayor of Aurora, Colorado, which is the, like the 50th largest city in the US. It was bigger than Salt Lake City or Philadelphia or St. Louis or a lot of major cities we think of, but he was, he was mayor and he was,

• 22:18Speaker 04

  he was involved in all this stuff, but I had no clue.

• 22:21AJ Gentile?

  Well, before, about your dad, my audience knows a lot about the Denver airport and then the Sonic connection.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Correct.

• 22:27AJ Gentile?

  Your father was involved in?

• 22:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. So he's the one who like, so, so the Denver airport was annexed from Aurora. So, so that wasn't even Denver territory.

• 22:40AJ Gentile?

  Right. It was outside.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Right. It was outside of Denver. So they annexed it and the agreement was that Denver would get the taxes from the airport and Aurora would get the taxes from any hotels and stuff that were set up around there. But he also helped set up the, what's known as, is the Gaylord Resort. That's out there on Denver International Airport property. And it has the convention center attached to it and the convention center is actually named after my father. It's the Stephen D. Hogan Convention Center. So, because he was all involved in all that stuff.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  And I have a, I have a brother-in-law who's also involved right now in.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  The restructuring of the terminal of the airport and and then I was involved early on, there's a Masonic time capsule out.

• 23:40AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yes.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  And it has the Braille plaque on it. And for the longest time, that Braille plaque was actually a plastic plaque. Most people don't know this. And so the secretary of my Masonic Lodge, his name was Warren Glover, he passed away years ago, but he and I went out to the Denver International Airport to to put the actual metal plaque on there. And so I was involved in some ways of actually dealing with that thing. And it's not alien code. And if you push the right buttons, nothing's going to open up, like some people say, but it's it's just a Braille plaque, you know.

• 24:19AJ Gentile?

  But the Templars are famous for digging tunnels and hiding things.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 24:24AJ Gentile?

  What's under that airport? Tell us.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, I'll tell you, I've been down under there.

• 24:32AJ Gentile?

  Not where the luggage is. What's under that?

• 24:34Speaker 04

  No, below that.

• 24:35AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. And there's some storage areas. There's no lizard people down there.

• 24:41AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 24:42Speaker 04

  You know, there's always speculation that there was there was some entrance to the underworld down there. It's not really, I mean, the the whole reason why that property was even selected was it was a deal made between the Denver mayor and Federico Penya, who was Penya Boulevard that goes to the airports named after now. And it was kind of a money making scheme for the politicians at the time.

• 25:13AJ Gentile?

  They do that.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 25:15AJ Gentile?

  So no bunkers?

• 25:16Speaker 04

  No. Well, there is rumors that.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  And unofficially, let's help Joey say.

• 25:27AJ Gentile?

  We're off the record.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Right, off the record. There's rumors that there are bunkers down there for the president and other people should there be a calamity on the east coast and they need to get out of that area. That's an area that they can go to and to be hidden and they continue to still operate.

• 25:46AJ Gentile?

  We do know that there was a potential impact event years ago and Obama was.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 25:51AJ Gentile?

  To that airport.

• 25:52Speaker 04

  That's right. And about less than three miles from the airport is the Space Force Base, Buckley Space Force Base, which is almost on the property. And in fact, the road that goes, that divides the two properties is the Stephen D. Hogan Parkway, which is also named after my dad. So, and then there's also a housing community too, on the Denver Airport property called The Highlands. And it's, it's all dedicated to my dad too. There's a, he was very involved in all that development.

• 26:30AJ Gentile?

  He seemed like a great man. And, um, and I, I watched your eulogy of him online. It was really touching.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you.

• 26:36AJ Gentile?

  When, um, did you learn all the secret history of the Templars when you were initiated? Is that kind of how it works?

• 26:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, well, I learned the general history of the Templars as I was growing up. That was a part of my education. But then, yeah, as I got involved in stuff, I started learning more of the secret history that was involved there. And I've tried to bring some of that forward and make it public. A lot of things that just nobody's known about, you know, like you look up Rosa Crution, for example, you're going to hear the same general story of, oh, it was established in Germany, but it doesn't really, and they talk about Johann Valentine Andrea, but they don't really talk about what Johann Valentine

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Andrea was involved in, you know, and he was, he was, he grew up in the town of Kalw, spelled C A L W, in Germany. And his mom was the town alchemist there. And that was a Templar. It was an underground Templar area and that's where this Militia Crucifera Evangelica was largely based out of. In fact, there's, to this day, there are secret chapels there that have the blazons or the coat of arms of all the original members of that tradition. And they have Andrea's coat of arms there, you know, in stained glass. And there's a

• 28:12Speaker 04

  whole tradition there that most people have no clue about.

• 28:16AJ Gentile?

  Well, where did the Templars really start and what was their original mission?

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, so according to, and this isn't, by the way, I'm popularizing, I'm getting this information out there now, but it's something that's been known within the Templar traditions for a long time. The Grand Master before me, Raymond Bernard, he was a very famous historian and esoterist in Paris. And he published a book on this called The Secret Meeting in Rome, which was about his initiation into the Templar Order, clear back in 1956. And in it, he talks about that the real purpose for the Templar Order

• 29:04Speaker 04

  was, the Templar Order quickly realized, very early on, that there were these flood myths all around the world. And everyone had the same flood myth, alluding to the fact that there was probably a very real cataclysm in antiquity.

• 29:26AJ Gentile?

  We're getting to the point where it's almost non-negotiable.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Right, right now. But like, back then, I mean, it was, you know, it was just kind of considered biblical history, you know. And so, but the Templars...

• 29:43Speaker 04

  They thought there was something to it and that they also believed that there was a very advanced civilization that had existed prior to this cataclysm.

• 29:55AJ Gentile?

  When you say advanced, do you mean advanced for their time or for ours?

• 29:59Speaker 04

  Both.

• 30:00AJ Gentile?

  So, technology we would find advanced?

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Right.

• 30:03AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, so much so that even later on, when Francis Bacon wrote his book, The New Atlantis.

• 30:11AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yes.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  So Francis Bacon was the secret son of Queen Elizabeth I. He was hidden at birth, he was given to Lady Anne Bacon, who was Queen Elizabeth's lady-in-waiting. And he was raised by the Bacon, Nicholas, Lord Nicholas Bacon and Lady Anne Bacon. But Francis Bacon and Queen Elizabeth I was a member of this militia crucifixarian in Vangelica, she was a Templar.

• 30:46Speaker 05

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• 31:16AJ Gentile?

  That's something interesting where people think that Knights Templar are just guys on horses.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Right, no, no, there were women going all the way back to the beginning.

• 31:24AJ Gentile?

  And farmers and blacksmiths and masons.

• 31:27Speaker 04

  Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, it wasn't just knights on horseback, it was clerics. It was an entire, it was a, it was the first multinational corporation, really.

• 31:39AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  And it had men and women involved in it in different capacities. But, and so even after the suppression, as the Templar Order continued to exist secretly underground, there's some very high level people like Queen Elizabeth I that were involved in it. Francis Bacon had also been involved in it. So when he wrote his New Atlantis.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  The whole basis of the book was that there was this secret underground Templar body that referred to itself as the College of Solomon. Yes. The head of the College of Solomon's wearing a turban with a red Templar cross on it. And they have developed all these technologies, or they're trying to develop all these technologies. And the story goes that there was this ship, it's kind of like the story of Lost, actually, if you ever watched that TV show. The first season. Yeah, so there's this ship that crashes on the island, and nobody knows about this island. It's like this hidden island. And when the people get off the ship, they find

• 32:46Speaker 04

  there's this civilization on this island, and they're totally spiritually and materially way more advanced than the rest of the world. And the people on the island explain to themselves, well, we're the College of Solomon. We developed these technologies, and we know about the whole world, but the whole world doesn't know about us. And they say to them, well, where did you, where'd you learn of these technologies? And they say, well, it's like this. We settled on this island, and then one day, we saw this light out hovering over

• 33:26Speaker 04

  the ocean, and it was like in the shape of a cross. So we rode our boats out to it. And there was like this force field that wouldn't let us get any closer to it, and then it spit this book out to us. Okay. And so we brought this book back to land, and it was a blueprint for how to create all these technologies. So we've been just trying to develop them ever since. So this is like clearly describing this UFO event. Sure. But, but all the technologies were believed to be technologies from the original Atlantis. And it described things like submarines, and flying machines, and things that...

• 34:10Speaker 04

  You know, nobo- didn't exist back in Francis Bacon's day. But it was believed these were the things that the original Atlantis had. And that it was the Templar mission to redevelop these things. And so, and to reestablish a country where they could be developed. And that's really what led to the creation of the United States to become this new Atlantis, where these technologies could be developed.

• 34:39AJ Gentile?

  How does Francis Bacon's story track with Plato's description of Atlantis?

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Uh, it's pretty, it's, it's different because he's clearly sourcing back to Plato.

• 34:52AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  But then he's also talking about all kinds of things that Plato doesn't talk about. And he talks about like medicines that need to be developed and along with the technologies. And, um, you know, he just says it needs to be reestablished. The new Atlantis needs to be established.

• 35:13AJ Gentile?

  And does that become a Templar mission?

• 35:15Speaker 04

  That becomes the Templar mission, yeah. And then, um, and then, yeah, then ultimately, I mean, the United States, well, originally the Royal Society was established in England to try to create these ideas of Francis Bacon. And then, uh, and then that was brought over into the establishment of the United States, which then became the main new Atlantis model to develop these things and perpetuate them.

• 35:46AJ Gentile?

  So when the Templars, um, they end up in Jerusalem, they're, I believe, granted permission to set up their headquarters.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 35:55AJ Gentile?

  Under the Dome, under the Dome.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Right, so this is the secret history.

• 35:58AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  So like.

• 36:00AJ Gentile?

  But this is why we're here, this is why.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  Right, right, so while they're supposed to be protecting pilgrims.

• 36:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  What they're really doing is they're digging. Right, and they're, they're, they're doing archaeological excavation under the Temple Mount. And they're going into East Jerusalem and they're, they're opening up tombs and finding artifacts. And they're, and they're bringing this stuff secretly back to Europe. And then they're also going into places like Egypt. Where they, they set up their, their grand commandery at the Temple of Isis at Fila.

• 36:38AJ Gentile?

  Uh huh.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  And they, from there, they're, they're going into places like the Temple of Hathor at Dendera and, and Hatshepsut's temple, you know, in the Valley of the Kings and in Lux, in, in Karnak and then, uh, and, and they leave these Templar markers at all these places. And they leave Templar graffiti at all these places as well. And they're finding artifacts, including arcs, like the Ark of the Covenant.

• 37:09AJ Gentile?

  You said arcs.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  Arcs, plural.

• 37:11AJ Gentile?

  Plural arcs.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, so they found six arcs. Um, but there was probably a hundred arcs in antiquity. Uh, every temple in Egypt had one of these arcs and you can see it on the temple walls when you, when you know what to look for.

• 37:28AJ Gentile?

  So if we had, so if there were a hundred arcs on earth, then what, how the arcs are described in the Bible is incorrect?

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Well, they were, what they were is they were electrostatic capacitors. And they would be set up at certain node points around the planet. And then the electricity would build up and it would just broadcast within the region.

• 37:55AJ Gentile?

  And let me, let me set up for those listening, um, if you take acacia wood and put gold on either side of it, you create a dielectric.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 38:05AJ Gentile?

  Which does transfer electricity.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. And then the other thing they put in the arcs was, uh, this. What was referred to as mana, Uh huh. Which was really just gold converted into a monoatomic state. And what makes it super conductive. So you put this super conductive substance inside this and it's going to produce a tremendous amount of electricity. But monoatomic gold can only do that with some alchemical. Correct. Right, because scientists can't do this. Correct. But somebody could. Yes, so the process, the Templars figured out how to do this. Right, and it's, it's, it is weird science.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Because when you take gold and you convert it into the state, the first thing that happens is the gold, you break it down and break it down and then, but you still have gold. But at a certain point, the gold just disappears. Well, the lattice structure of the molecules falls away and you're left with a single atoms. Well, even before that, it, it, it literally disappears into a higher dimension. What, what? Yeah. Okay. And then when you, when you create the conditions for it to come back, yeah, it, it enters in this monoatomic state where every grain of this gold is one atom thick. That is the, um, the outer, the two,

• 39:38Speaker 04

  uh, electrons of the outer valence ring both enter into what's called a spin forward. Uh huh. And when that happens, it enters into a high spin state. So the nucleus completely captures the outer valence ring. So it doesn't bind with anything else. Right. And when it does this, it generates a tremendous amount of electricity and it, and it.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  It uh, yeah, it becomes super conductive.

• 40:06AJ Gentile?

  And there are some parts of the Anunnaki legend that say they were here from monoatomic gold.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, they were, they were mining gold.

• 40:11AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  I think this is when we see modern UAPs in the ocean. I think that's what they're doing. I think they're uh, cause this gold, it can also be made deep in the earth and pushed up volcanically. And then it gets deposited in the soil and, and um, or in the bottom of the ocean. Uh, if you, if you look at the bottom of the ocean, it's, it's mostly just white powder down there. Which is what this monoatomic gold is. Um, but it also, it can be pushed up volcanically. And uh, and then plants absorb it. And so the other way you can, you can capture it is you can calcinate down a,

• 40:53Speaker 04

  like a bush, right? Burn it down and you can extract the monoatomic gold out of the ashes.

• 41:01AJ Gentile?

  And that's interesting, cause calcinate, that, that would be one of the steps of alchemy.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  Correct. And it's also, we believe from a Templar perspective, it's why Moses witnessed God as a burning bush.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  Right? Cause you have to calcinate down the bush to extract the mana, literally out of the ashes, the monoatomic gold.

• 41:24AJ Gentile?

  Do you remember the name of that, that bush, the scientific name? Cause they're all over Egypt.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  Oh yes, it's the tamarisk. Well, there's, there's, there's the tamarisk and then there's the acacia, but they're all over the area. But there's, tamarisk, the thorny tamarisk is what they say was probably the burning bush.

• 41:41AJ Gentile?

  Right. And um, so, so there are these perennials, this is for the audience, all over Egypt. That these perennials have highly volatile oils that are flammable.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 41:52AJ Gentile?

  When the conditions are correct in the desert, they catch fire.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. And you can, and if you, if you extract the ashes from that, you, you can extract these, this monoatomic gold from those ashes. This is also, by the way, we believe why the, later on, uh, the Hebrew priests at like Solomon's temple were demanding all these burnt sacrifices. Cause again, you can extract the monotomics. The Mana, quote unquote, and Mana, by the way, Mana just in Hebrew means, what is it? It's literally what it means is what is it? And it's called that because if you do a spectroscopic analysis or a chemical testing with this monoatomic, it doesn't show up as anything. Right.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  So it's like Mana, what is it? You know, so. So take us to the, back to the ark, the Mana is in there. So it's placed in the ark, even the Bible says that there was a pot of Mana placed, placed in the ark. But if you. And Mana provided throughout the entire Exodus. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in Moses, he also burned the golden calf into this white powder. And for centuries, scientists said, oh, see, this is just proof that the Bible's, you know, ridiculous, because everyone knows gold melts, it doesn't turn into a powder. But actually, if you do this alchemical process to it, it does turn into

• 43:19Speaker 04

  a powder. And it does, not only, you can see this, in ancient Egypt, on all the temples, wherever you see an ark, you'll also see the Pharaoh with his hand out with this mound-shaped cone on his hand. That cone mound is the Mana, it's the Mana bread. And when you, actually, when you form the Mana in the vessel, when the gold, it phase shifts into this other dimension, and when you bring it back in the vessel, it forms that exact mound shape.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  And so that's why they're depicting it that way. But it, the Pharaoh would eat that, and it had incredible health benefits, you know, in terms of curing cancer and everything else. But it was also put inside those arcs, and it would produce this tremendous amount of power. And I am, I'm certain, actually, that's why these phase shifting UFOs, these UAPs, that are phase shifting the same way that the gold does, when you, when you do this alchemical process to it, that's what they're doing. They're mining this stuff, you know, because it allows them to use, and by the way.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  The Hebrew tradition referred to the substance as manna, right? But, um, and it was said to, if you read texts like the Kebir Nagas, which is the Ethiopian text that talks about King Solomon's flying craft.

• 45:03AJ Gentile?

  In Menelik, yes.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  Right, in Menelik. King Solomon's flying craft was said to be powered by this manna, right?

• 45:14AJ Gentile?

  But wait, there's more.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  But wait, there's more. You know, in the ancient Vedic texts, they talk about flying craft and they're referred to as vimana. In the Sumerian texts, they talk about the Anunnaki, these gods, having flying craft. And the flying craft are referred to as shimana. And the Polynesian cultures that talk about like how the Eastern Ireland statues were moved, they, it was with a substance that was referred to as mana, right? In, um, and in, uh, like Tibetan traditions, the, the white stone of enlightenment was referred to as mani.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  It's all the same stuff and you find it universal. And, um, the other unique thing that happens with this manna,

• 46:08Speaker 04

  when you put it in, when you subject it to a, a weak electrostatic or electromagnetic field, it causes the vessel containing it to start to weigh less than nothing. Uh, this is really how a couple of people with rods could carry the Ark of the Covenant, which would have weighed several tons.

• 46:32AJ Gentile?

  Several tons.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  You know, with all that gold and acacia wood.

• 46:36AJ Gentile?

  And maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not, but the, the priest that carried the ark were the Levites.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:43AJ Gentile?

  It sounds a lot like levitation.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Levitation, right, exactly. Yeah, not that love, the word levitation is a Hebrew word. But, I mean, you tell me where the word levitation comes from.

• 46:55AJ Gentile?

  It's just interesting.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  There's a lot of root words to things that we normally don't think of as with certain cultures. For example, the word ignite.

• 47:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Right, comes from ignis, right? The Greek ignis, which meant fire. You know where that comes from?

• 47:14AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  It comes from the Sanskrit agni, which meant fire.

• 47:18AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  So agni became ignai, you know, which we would get ignite, you know? But like, most people would never, so they, they take it back to the Greek, but they wouldn't realize it actually comes from the Sanskrit.

• 47:30AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  So there's words all the time that get incorporated into words we use in English. Or, or the word on, for example, when you turn on a light switch. On was the ancient Egyptian word for light. So you're literally turning on.

• 47:49AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  The light, you know? Uh, and there's, there's lots of words like that, that we've inherited, that we don't really remember the origins of. And, and scholars are quick to point them back to the Roman or the Latin or the Greek. But the, the Greeks and the Romans, they got those from other cultures too. So, I mean, it's, um.

• 48:13AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, you can see, um, a lot of, it's, Polynesian cultures have words with Greek roots, but there's an argument to be made that it's kind of the other way around.

• 48:24Speaker 04

  Of course. Yeah, 100%.

• 48:26AJ Gentile?

  So to the ark, what did the Israelites think they had? What were they doing with this box?

• 48:31Speaker 04

  So, so we believe, this from a Templar perspective.

• 48:34AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  Okay. We're, we're quite certain that, um, the whole Moses story really goes back to, you, you have to understand the history associated with the Pharaoh Akhenaten. So Akhenaten was the first Pharaoh to proclaim monotheism in history. He said, all the gods of Egypt were actually a part of one god that was known as the Aten or Maiaten, which in ancient Egyptian was Attenai, right?

• 49:10Speaker 04

  When Akhenaten got deposed, because the Amun priesthood rose up and were like, hey, we're not going to do this one god thing anymore. Right, because they worship Da'mon and the others. Right, so they had to go underground. Mm-hmm. Uh, Akhenaten had a brother, whose name was Tutmosis. And when Akhenaten was deposed, Tutmosis is the one that took all the Atenas followers out of Egypt, and he took them up into Phoenicia. And they really, literally became the Canaanites and became the early Hebrews. And so, in words like Atenai became Adonai, which meant lord in Hebrew.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  Uh, and, um, but, the ark that's associated with the Hebrew tradition really was one of these arcs that was in Egypt, that was a power, literally, was used to generate power. And we believe these arcs, according, well, according to the ancient Egyptian account, these were technologies that had come from Utlant. Right. Which was their name for what we now call Atlantis. And it's depicted on the, um, at Edfu, at the temple of Horus. Yep. Uh, there's this, what's called the building texts that are on the wall there.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  And they show the gods, the kneaders, coming over in boats from the primordial mound that had, had drowned in the ocean. Uh, as they came to Egypt to settle. And they also showed these arcs on the boats, being brought over. So anytime you see an ark in Egypt, one of these arcs, it's always depicted on a boat. And it's because it was technology that was brought over from Utlant. Sure. And deposited in these temples that were then used as like power stations. I mean, there's even that story in the Bible about Uzzah who goes to study the ark and is electrocuted.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Literally, yeah, he kills him on the spot, you know, because he's shocked to death. Yeah, so and that was the other thing. So the pharaohs are always depicted with these rods next to the ark because they were grounding rods. So you could, you could literally put the rod in the ground, drop it against the ark, you know, ground the electricity. So then you could open it.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  And in the, but in the Torah or the Old Testament, these were, it was Aaron's rod. You know, that's what Aaron's rod was used for. Same thing. It was a grounding rod. You put it in the ground, drop it against the ark, discharge the electricity. So then you could handle the ark. But if you didn't do that, the ark would start to build up static electricity over several hours or several days. And then it would discharge through the, the winged figures on the top. Ah, the cherubim, yeah. The cherubim. And if you remember in the story, Moses, he sets up a tabernacle in the wilderness, which he did with wool curtains. Right. Right. And wool is also a static generator. That's right.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  So it would help to build up that static, you know, that would, that would then be collected in the ark as a capacitor, which would then discharge it. That's true. When they would send priests into the tabernacle, they would tie a rope around their legs. Yeah. If they got killed, they could. Drag them out. Yeah. They wouldn't get electrocuted too. Yeah. So it's, um, so, and so the Templar Order, they found six of these arcs. Where did they find these? In between Jerusalem and Egypt. Okay. And, um, most of them were found in Egypt. In fact, at the temple of Seti the first at Abydos.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  There's a secret chamber. It's called the Um Seti Room now, but it's a, um, it's a, uh, it's a chamber. It's closed to the public. Uh, you know, we lead tours in Egypt and we show, we have access to this, this chamber. And what it has depicted on the temple wall is it shows Seti the first.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Holding the monobread in his hand next to an ark. And then it shows another ark on the boat undergoing transportation. And then, but the ark right next to him. Uh, you, there's also three red Templar crosses that were painted by the order back in the, clear back in the late 1100s. That's where they found the first ark was in that room. And that's one of the arcs that they secured that we still have to this day.

• 54:06AJ Gentile?

  Um, so. Let's take a quick break and um, I want to come back and talk about the arcs that you found. And I'd like to get into a little bit of ancient Egypt and how they could have worked as technology.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Absolutely, sure.

• 54:21AJ Gentile?

  We'll be right back. Alright, so the, the Hebrews had the arcs. Um, they probably didn't know what they were.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  You're correct, yeah. Yeah, they didn't understand, well, they had a ark.

• 54:34AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  For sure. Um, they quickly learned that it could be deadly.

• 54:39AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  And uh, and it would probably, you know, it'd build up this power. Interestingly, if you, if you look at around the world, you'll see this all over Egypt, but also other places like Cambodia and in uh, uh, like Peru.

• 54:59AJ Gentile?

  Uh huh.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  Um, there's these, uh, what are known as, they're called butterfly clamps, which, which would fit these stones together. And then there's these clamps, it's the same looking clamp. Uh, those weren't actually, we believe, weren't really to hold the stones together. Cause if you wanted to hold the stones together, it would be thicker in the center and smaller on the sides. But in these cases, it's thicker on the sides and thinner in the center. So the purpose of them wasn't, and it was metal, we know it was metal that was put in there. The purpose wasn't really to hold the stones together. They were, they created a zipper

• 55:44Speaker 04

  effect around the temples and those were the, they were like the receiving for these arcs. So as the energy was broadcasted, it'd be picked up by these, this metal zipper that would go around the temples and then they could just kind of plug into that, you know? We think that's what they were really used for. And, and you think there was about a hundred of them? Oh yeah, at least. Around the world? Yeah, maybe even more. Uh, I mean, you find, uh, even to this day in Japan and the Shinto tradition, they have a, they have these, these arcs that they bring out of their temples,

• 56:26Speaker 04

  you know, once a year and they'll parade them around the town and they look exactly like the Ark of the Covenant. I didn't know that. Yeah. So, but it comes from the early Japanese tradition, you know, of, of having these arcs, you know? So they were, it was an international thing that I think went back to this technology of Atlantis that, um, you know, when that civilization collapsed, you know, there were, there's certain ones that were preserved and then later they made kind of like symbolic replicas of them. You see this a lot in Ethiopia even to this day. They call them tabit boxes, but they, um... Did you believe that the, the ark that's allegedly in Aksim in Ethiopia is... I think it's real.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  You think it's real? Yeah, I think it's one of the real ones. Okay. Um, I have, I have no reason to doubt it actually. I mean, the, the, that whole Ethiopian tradition there is, uh, is very old. Uh, the Kevin Nagas talks about the ark coming there. Correct, yeah. And it, it also, there's, there's, one of the earliest Jewish temples in Egypt was actually on Elephantine Island. Mm-hmm. And I've been into... The ruins of, that area is closed to the public, but I've been in there.

• 57:49AJ Gentile?

  How do you get access to all these places? By the way, Tim does tours.

• 57:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:53AJ Gentile?

  That I am definitely going to take. How do you get access to these places?

• 57:56Speaker 04

  Well, because the order's been there for the last thousand years doing research.

• 58:01AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 58:01Speaker 04

  So they just give us access, you know, because we've always been respectful.

• 58:08Speaker 04

  They allow us to do our initiation ceremonies in the Great Pyramid still. It's not a problem.

• 58:15AJ Gentile?

  Does the Great Pyramid have anything to do with the arcs?

• 58:18Speaker 04

  Some believe that the so-called sarcophagus, the box that's in the king's chamber, was originally designed to hold an ark.

• 58:28AJ Gentile?

  It would fit better than a body.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Others believe there is, there is something else that's going on in Egypt. At all these temples where you find these arcs, there's also talks of stargates that are on, this is in the hieroglyphs, on the temple walls, they talk about stargates. And that these arcs were being used to provide the energy

• 59:01Speaker 04

  for these stargates. And that the pharaoh would go through these stargates and meet with the needers, the gods, who would instruct him and then he would come back and pass that on to the rest of Egypt. And there were only like seven pharaohs that were considered masters of the stargates and Hatshepsut was one and then her son, Tutmosis III, was one. Even Akhenaten, who was the great grandson of Tutmosis III, was also listed as a master of the stargate.

• 59:44AJ Gentile?

  I have an episode coming out at some point that's going to be controversial that alleges that Akhenaten might have been Moses.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, we think it was his brother Tutmosis, so Tutmosis became Moses.

• 59:57AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  Right?

• 59:59AJ Gentile?

  And Tutmosis II, he was just found just a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  Correct, yeah. So there's, there is.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  We think, so, there's some evidence that this idea of the Atten, the one god that Akhenaten talked about, was actually known by the pharaohs, going back to Thutmose III at least. And that it was knowledge that was secret amongst the pharaohs. All the gods were aspects of one god. And it was only Akhenaten who then made that idea public. And that was where his real heresy was.

• 1:00:43AJ Gentile?

  Sure, I mean, he moved the capital, right, from Cairo.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  Right. And yeah, he set up Tel-Armana.

• 1:00:49AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  And he, and then, of course, Nefertiti was his wife. The real kicker there is that there are busts of Nefertiti, well, same, that headdress that Nefertiti's wearing is actually a Mayan headdress. And on Elephantine Island, there is a secret Thutmose III temple there. And it shows Mayans trading beads with Egyptians.

• 1:01:23AJ Gentile?

  Again, this is Anunnaki legend that after the great flood, the Yucatan survivors went and Egypt survivors went.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  Yep, correct. And we think what happened was, actually...

• 1:01:36Speaker 05

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• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  So, the Mayans, they referred to Atsalon, which was the homeland. The Egyptian temple walls talk about Utlant, which is the same place. And that... We think, uh, what the Egyptians later did, so the Egyptians inherited all this stuff. Right? They didn't even know what most of it was. They found it. They found it. I mean, when they found the Serapean, for example, where there was these giant granite boxes that weigh 700 tons and are so perfectly and precisely made.

• 1:02:49Speaker 04

  Uh, the Egyptians couldn't have made that. They had, they had copper tools. Right. And those, I've seen those right angles measured with lasers. Right. And they're precise. Yes. Uh, no one knows really what the boxes were for. Uh, according to early accounts, the only thing that was found in them was a white powder.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  Right? Right. So it was probably this monoatomic gold. Um, and, and it was probably a survivor bunker, you know, to preserve this stuff from the cataclysm. So when the Egyptians later found it, they were totally freaked out. We know they were because they, they started making, they started sacrificing bulls there. They, they started eating the dirt out of the temple walls because they thought it might have magical properties. I mean, these were not the, the technologically advanced people who made those boxes. These were the later people who found them clearly and were trying to process it.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  But we also know that the Egyptians wanted to find the original homeland of, of the Neaters and, and of this tradition. And so they probably sailed in boats over to the Yucatan and, and met with the Mayans who had the same tradition. And, uh, and you know, we don't know how much they associated with them, but we do know like in the Valley of the Queens, for example, there's a tomb dedicated to a queen Maya and there's Mayan artwork in the tomb. You know, so there had to have been some, some cross breeding going on.

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  And it may be that Nefertiti herself was a Mayan princess. She was said to have come from a foreign land and, um,

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  You know, and that was Akhenaten's wife.

• 1:04:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:04:49Speaker 04

  So, uh, and then King Tutankhamun was their son.

• 1:04:55AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  And his original name was Tutankaten, after the Atlas. In fact, his throne says Tutankaten on it. And, but he had to change it to Amun because the Amun priesthood took over at that point, so.

• 1:05:10AJ Gentile?

  So, um, we've got the, the arcs transmitting energy. I, I subscribe to the pyramid power plant theory.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. If you, if you were to put one of those arcs in there and turn it on, I mean, the, the, the, even, even without adding, you know, chemicals and everything else to create that energy, uh, as is the theory. Uh, even beyond all that, the granite in there is piezoelectric.

• 1:05:42AJ Gentile?

  That's the rose granite.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  Right. The rose granite. So as there's that pressure is put on it, it produces electricity. It's in the middle of the desert. The pyramid itself is a giant static electrostatic capacitor. If you, if you stand on top of the pyramid with, and you take a bottle with a wet rag on it and hold it up, sparks are going to be shooting off the top of it just because it's already building up static electricity. But then if you put an arc in the center of it, uh, with this monoatomic substance, the super conductive substance is going to really generate a lot of power.

• 1:06:23AJ Gentile?

  And you throw a gold capstone on top.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course. It's, it's just gonna, it's just gonna, uh, transmit it throughout the region. And really, I think there, there's some theories that Nikola Tesla, when he was developing his, um,

• 1:06:40AJ Gentile?

  Wardenclyffe.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  Wardenclyffe Tower and all of his research he was doing in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He was, uh, he was trying to mimic this process.

• 1:06:51AJ Gentile?

  Sure. I mean, he built Wardenclyffe on top of an aquifer, just like, just like Giza.

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  Right. Just like Giza. Yep.

• 1:06:57AJ Gentile?

  Here's where, here's where I get tripped up is I could, I can buy into that, the fact that there is electricity flowing around the ancient world, but what were they powering?

• 1:07:08Speaker 04

  I think they were powering the same things we power today. I think. By some accounts, the earth was as populated and as advanced as it is today.

• 1:07:19AJ Gentile?

  Wow, that's a big claim.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  It's a huge claim. I'm willing to make it because there

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  there is evidence for that. There's even evidence of nuclear detonations in the ancient world.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  At places like Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, even on Easter Island. And by the way, this is something you never hear about.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  So Mohenjo Daro and Harappa in India, there's, there was a script that was found. The only other place we find that exact same script is on Easter Island, which is on the exact opposite side of the globe.

• 1:07:59AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:07:59Speaker 04

  You know, so there was clearly a worldwide advanced civilization that was going on. Harry Truman, when he wrote in his diary entry that, by the way, Harry Truman was a past grand master of Missouri for Freemasonry. He was a 33rd degree Freemason and he was a Templar. And when he wrote in his diary entry about the discovering of the atomic bomb, he says, "We have discovered an ancient weapon."

• 1:08:33AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know he said that.

• 1:08:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, those were his exact words. "We have discovered an ancient weapon."

• 1:08:38AJ Gentile?

  And these texts you're talking about, they do talk about a sky filled with fire.

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Oppenheimer was a Sanskrit scholar.

• 1:08:45AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  That's why when he said, "I've become death, the destroyer of worlds," that's directly from the Mahabharata.

• 1:08:51AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  And, and books like the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, they say things like,

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  it talks about atomic detonations. It says, "Gerka, flying his powerful Vamana, hurled a single projectile

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  with all the power of the universe. It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vritshneys and Ankatas.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  A pottery broke without apparent cause. Elephants burst into flame and ran madly. The birds croaked."

• 1:09:32Speaker 04

  Madly, after a few days had passed over, all foodstuffs became infected. Hair and nails began to fall out.

• 1:09:42AJ Gentile?

  Sounds like radiation poisoning.

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Radiation poisoning. The soldiers threw themselves in the streams to wash themselves and their equipment. Oh, clouds roared upward, showering gravel.

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  I mean, these were all descriptions of this weapon. By the way, the Vamanas were these flying craft.

• 1:10:02AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:10:03Speaker 04

  So, this is in ancient texts. These were things that the Nazis were studying, that Anunnaki were studying to try to develop this. When they were developing their V2 program, that Oppenheimer, or that, yeah, was in charge of, and then he was brought over to establish the NASA program for the...

• 1:10:28AJ Gentile?

  Von Braun.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Von Braun, yeah, Werner Von Braun, sorry, not Oppenheimer. Werner Von Braun, he was in charge of the V2 program. He was brought over to develop Saturn V for NASA.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  But again, we're talking about ancient technology. And there is plenty of evidence of this around the ancient world. And it's mentioned in the texts, the ancient texts. So I think, I think the world was a lot more advanced than anyone's willing to talk about. I think that there was this mass cataclysm. I mean, just like today, most of the major cities were on the coasts. As sea levels rose 300 feet, it just erased everything. And then all that was left over was the myths and some areas of survival.

• 1:11:27Speaker 04

  One of the things that we point out when we go to Egypt, for example, when we do the tours in Egypt, and this is not a...

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Well-known or popular theory, but we believe that the Valley of the Kings, for example, was originally survival bunkers. Because most people think of them as just these tombs built into the cliff sides. But what they don't realize is all those tombs are connected by these tunnels that go deep down into the earth where they're all connected. And it would have taken thousands of people to carve out all these tunnels. And if you were a pharaoh and you're trying to find a place to hide yourself where you're buried, you're certainly not going to hire thousands of workers to create a bunch of tunnels

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  to, so that you could be buried down there. I mean, the, the secret would have gotten out right away. So we believe that from a Templar perspective, that the pharaohs wanted to be buried at the place where their ancestors originally came out after the cataclysm. And so the other thing that these pharaohs did is they, in their tombs, they tried to preserve the knowledge of that civilization prior to the cataclysm. And so we show, for example, in certain tombs where

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  there's these tall men with red beards that have baby woolly mammoths and giant slaws on leashes. Like

• 1:13:14AJ Gentile?

  Pre-Ice Age animals.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  Pre-Ice Age animals that the Egyptians shouldn't even know about. And there they are carved in the tomb, being preserved by the pharaoh. Why would he want to preserve that in his tomb in that area?

• 1:13:27AJ Gentile?

  Is that public or is that something that you've seen?

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  It's something I've seen. I mean, I can show the photos of it, but I mean, it's, it's, that's one of the things we show when we go on these tours, you know, so people can see it.

• 1:13:39AJ Gentile?

  Your tour will go in there?

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We show it.

• 1:13:42AJ Gentile?

  Because the, um, the Tomb of the Kings, that network theory, that's disputed. But have you seen that network?

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Well, they have it. They have, yeah, that entire tunnel network is, they actually, when you go into the entrance of the Valley of the Kings, they have a model of it. For the public to see. Oh, my goodness. Looks like a giant ant farm underneath there. And some of them go down, you know, two, 300 feet down into the, the, in there. Why did they even have these tunnels for? For their tombs? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. Makes sense if you understand those were survival bunkers. It makes me, it makes me think of the underground city, Darren Kuyu in Turkey. Same type of deal. Exactly. Yep. Exactly. Same type of deal. And for that, for that matter, and this is another Templar related thing.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  One of the things that the order also discovered when it first went to Egypt is that there were these massive tunnel networks that existed between Giza and Saqqara. Hmm. All right. Saqqara is where the step pyramid of Zoser is. That word Saqqara is actually where we get the word sacred from. Okay. Um. But there are, there are tunnels that stretch that whole way. Large tunnels. That area, that, that underground in the ancient Egyptian language was known as Ros Tau.

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  Which just meant underworld.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  When the, when the Templars discovered this.

• 1:15:26Speaker 04

  They brought that knowledge back with them and they transliterated

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  the Egyptian Ros Tau into the Latin language they're familiar with. So Ros became rose and Tau became cross. Oh, my goodness. So they adopted the symbol of the rose cross.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  To talk about the secret underground area of Egypt. And then when they went and set up the cathedrals. When they started building the cathedrals of Europe and they were bringing back this Egyptian knowledge. And they were trying to set up the cathedrals in the same manner of the Egyptian temples.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  And they, they, they put their alchemical knowledge, like you could go to Notre Dame Cathedral, the front doors of Notre Dame Cathedral, they have all the stages of alchemy depicted.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  Which nobody knew at that time, except for groups like the Sibians and the Druze in the Middle East. So it's very clear that Templars were associated with them and bringing this knowledge back. But they set up the cathedrals, so if you view them from the sky, their crosses, but then they put the rose windows in them, right, to make them rose crosses.

• 1:16:45AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:16:45Speaker 04

  Ros Tau, that knowledge from Egypt, from the underworld of Egypt.

• 1:16:50AJ Gentile?

  So the Rosicrucians are the followers of?

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  Correct. Yeah, so the Templar Order, when they created the Rosicrucian Order in Germany, that symbol, the rose cross, was really, was just pointing back to the Ros Tau, the underworld of Egypt. And this is also why they also brought over,

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  they, they put the black Madonnas in the crypts of the cathedrals. This was hearkening back to the Temple of Isis, where they had their grand commandery in Egypt, where they saw, they had the granite, or the basalt statues of Isis, with the young child Horus on her lap. That was, you know, it was black basalt in, in ancient Egypt. So they just recreated that image and painted it black, and put it in the crypts of the cathedrals, where they're holding their secret initiation ceremonies. And it was, it was to hearken back to that origin in Egypt.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  And there was a lot of things like that. I mean, another example is, is the Baphomet, right? They're accused of worshiping this, this ram-headed

• 1:18:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  figure, right? Well, what that ram-headed figure was, is it was actually the god Amun of ancient Egypt, which was where we get the word Amen from.

• 1:18:18AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 04

  And it was, it was a ram, because it was created during the age of Ares.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  All that Egyptian stuff was largely created during the age of Ares.

• 1:18:33Speaker 04

  Judaism came out of that age of Aries, which is why they, you know, they use all this shepherd metaphor and the, and you'll see the rabbi with their, their locks that are made to look like lamb. Yeah. Lamb ears, you know, and um, but the uh, um, that word bafo me, it actually comes from uh, ancient Egyptian, ba meant soul, fa meant from, and mat meant universal order. So it was literally the soul from the universal order, or, you know, and that, that was bafo mat.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  But it was, it was a figure of the god Amun. And he was a ram because what sound does a ram make? Ba. Ba, that, oh yeah. Which means soul, right? So, and you'll see this too, um, if you go to Karnak, for example, there's a row of sphinxes. Mm hmm. And as you're going into the, into Karnak,

• 1:19:48Speaker 04

  you'll see all these ram-headed sphinxes because they, again, the ram was Amun. But then he had, they, they have ram heads, but they have lion bodies. And the reason for this is the lion represented the age of Leo,

• 1:20:08Speaker 04

  where the Egyptian civilization came out of. Sure. But then the temple was being created during the age of Aries, which was the rain, right? So, so that's what they were saying. They were saying, look, we're creating this temple now during the age of Aries. How far back would that take us? Well, so the age of Leo was during the Younger Dryas Cataclysm. Of course, so. That's, and that's when the Sphinx was built. Right. Right? It was during that time. Facing Leo. Facing Leo on the horizon. Yeah, so it was, it was saying, look, our foundations that we came out of was during the age of Leo, during the cataclysm, the Younger Dryas Cataclysm.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  We are now practicing under the age of Aries. You know, so the god Amun is depicted as a ram for that reason. And the, and the ram, of course, says ba, which is the soul.

• 1:21:06AJ Gentile?

  Let's talk a little bit about the controversial stuff regarding religious artifacts.

• 1:21:12Speaker 04

  Sure, absolutely.

• 1:21:14AJ Gentile?

  I don't, I mean, I've been following you for a long time. I don't think you can get away from these anymore.

• 1:21:19Speaker 04

  No, no, no, let's do it.

• 1:21:23AJ Gentile?

  I don't know. Do you want to, I might be more comfortable you telling

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:21:27AJ Gentile?

  what you've found than me putting words in your mouth.

• 1:21:29Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Sounds good. So the Templar Order found a number of artifacts as they were digging in Jerusalem and in Egypt.

• 1:21:42Speaker 04

  They found these arcs that we talked about, six arcs.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  In particular, six arcs that they, they captured, they brought back up through into Lebanon for a while and then into France and into Portugal and into Scotland. And from there, they brought them over to the New World. So they were traveling over to the Americas. They actually had by the time that order was suppressed by 1314, they had already mapped all of North America.

• 1:22:19AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:22:21Speaker 04

  They, they hid, they were trading with the Mayans. In fact, if you go to Roslin Chapel, which was completed in by 1420.

• 1:22:31AJ Gentile?

  I do want to talk about that.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  Uh, there, there's, um, there's a stained glass window that's, that has, uh, American corn and aloe cactus depicted on it.

• 1:22:42AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:22:43Speaker 04

  But it also has Mayan pyramids.

• 1:22:46AJ Gentile?

  I did not see those.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. So the corn is coming out of these Mayan pyramids. Right. Which shouldn't be there.

• 1:22:54AJ Gentile?

  No, they shouldn't.

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  But they're very clearly Mayan pyramids and it's because the Templars were trading with the Mayans. That's a whole nother story. When we do a tour down into Mexico, we meet with the Mayans. Still to this day, they still put the Equal Armed Cross of the Templars on their altars. And we still have the same secret grips and everything that we do, but.

• 1:23:17AJ Gentile?

  Well, then we have to give back.

• 1:23:18Speaker 04

  But that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother topic.

• 1:23:21AJ Gentile?

  But it is, but we need to sidetrack for that for just a second because to support that theory that the Templars were trading with the New World. Can you tell the story about Columbus?

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. So Columbus was a, uh,

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  he was a freelancer.

• 1:23:41AJ Gentile?

  Bit of a rogue.

• 1:23:42Speaker 04

  Rogue. He, he actually, he caught wind of the fact that there was land on the other side of the Atlantic. To the day he died, he still thought it was India. He didn't realize it was a different culture, but, um, he,

• 1:24:02Speaker 04

  you know, he figured this out. And then he went and he pulled, uh, the daughter of one of the Templar Grand Masters out of a convent, married her to try to get Templar maps and knowledge. And then, uh, once he was able to get that, he then went to the King of Portugal and said, uh, fund me to go to the New World. You know, there's land across the ocean and, and there are sacred artifacts and that were moved there. And I'm gonna go get them for you. And of course, the King of Portugal was like, uh, we don't need you because Portugal was actually founded as a Templar state.

• 1:24:47AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  And when the Templars were suppressed, they just changed their name and continued to be the seafaring. You know, like Vasco da Gama was a, was a Templar Grand Master. You know, uh, of Portugal, you know, so there was, they were already still exploring all over as Templars. They just changed their name to the Knights of Christ.

• 1:25:07AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  They already knew there was land on the other side. So he said, we're not gonna, we're not gonna help you, Columbus. So Columbus went to the enemy of Portugal, which was Spain. And he sold Queen Isabella on the idea of, look.

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  Uh, not only is there land on the other side, but, but all these sacred artifacts were brought there, including these arcs and everything else. I'm gonna go get them for you. And she was, so she funded them. And this is the real reason why he put the Templar cross on his boat, because he knew that the natives would recognize it when he got there. See, he knew that the Templars were already traveling over there.

• 1:25:55AJ Gentile?

  And friendly.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  And friendly, yeah, already had friendly relations. So it was very easy for him to go in, you know, when the natives saw the Templar cross, they were like, oh, it's our buddies, you know, and but then Columbus went in and started enslaving them and bringing them back. And, you know, he was, he was terrible about it. So that's the real story behind Columbus. And it's the reason why Columbus and the Spanish that came over afterwards, originally, they were looking for these holy artifacts that the Templars had brought over. They knew the Templars had brought them over. They knew they had associations with the natives.

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  So they had to be somewhere. And then it just turned into a lust for gold, you know, after that. So.

• 1:26:44AJ Gentile?

  But the Spanish clearly had an interest in the supernatural elements by going after the fountain of youth and this lost city of Z.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. Yeah. But it was all tied into these kind of Grail legends, you know, that were tied in with these artifacts. And, um, and the Templars did, they, they did bring, uh, these artifacts, like the arcs. So this kind of goes back into the artifacts. They, they brought these arcs and other things over to the new world. And they did establish relations with certain tribes.

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  Who helped to protect and continue to this day to protect and preserve them. So we have a series of vaults that we set up to hide these artifacts in and some of the other artifacts.

• 1:27:33AJ Gentile?

  Now I have to ask you, where are the vaults?

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  I can't tell you that.

• 1:27:37AJ Gentile?

  So folks, he's not going to tell us.

• 1:27:39Speaker 04

  But I will say that there was originally seven vaults. Um, there's only two now.

• 1:27:46AJ Gentile?

  So since you can't say where they are.

• 1:27:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48AJ Gentile?

  Can you describe what they, what they look like? Are they guarded? Are they climate controlled? What is a, what is a vault like?

• 1:27:55Speaker 04

  It's just like a big underground vault that was originally covered over with, um, cement made of like crushed lime and shells and, uh, and then dirt and just buried, you know? It was buried in specific areas.

• 1:28:14AJ Gentile?

  Are they guarded or are they hit or hidden?

• 1:28:16Speaker 04

  I'll say, I'll tell you this. I'll say, say, I can tell you this much. One of the vaults is in Washington DC.

• 1:28:25AJ Gentile?

  Wow. I have not heard you say that.

• 1:28:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have never said it before. But it's at an area that, um, I think most people wouldn't expect. And, uh, it's on national park property.

• 1:28:39AJ Gentile?

  I might want to slow you down there.

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  Well, there's, there's no way for people to get to it. So that it's protected and even the park service doesn't even know it's there. I mean, we, we have people who watch it and make sure it's, you know, not being broken into, but it's, uh, it's in an area people wouldn't expect.

• 1:28:59AJ Gentile?

  We're not trusting the American government for security. Okay.

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:29:03AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:29:04Speaker 04

  No way. So, um, but it is in Washington DC.

• 1:29:10AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  The other, the other vault is actually in Montana.

• 1:29:14AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:29:15Speaker 04

  At an area in Montana, which we haven't said before either. But in fact, Lewis and Clark, when they did their excursion, when they, they were doing their, their trip up there.

• 1:29:29Speaker 04

  One of the things they were checking on was that vault. When Jefferson sent them up there. Uh, they. They were checking on that vault. That was one of the things they were checking on as part of their mission.

• 1:29:42AJ Gentile?

  Jefferson a Mason?

• 1:29:44Speaker 04

  He was a Templar.

• 1:29:45AJ Gentile?

  He was a Templar?

• 1:29:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47AJ Gentile?

  So he would, he knew?

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  Correct. Yeah. And there's some speculation he was also a Mason.

• 1:29:51AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:29:51Speaker 04

  I mean, uh, there are no. That's debated because there's no records of his initiation, but. When he died, there was a Masonic funeral held for him. He was known to have also attended the Lodge of Nine Muses in France, which he wouldn't have been allowed to do unless he was a Mason. Uh, his. He had, uh, nephews who were, were. Named after him, who. Were all Freemasons. Um. And there were Masonic codes that were found amongst his writings. Uh, he, he wouldn't have.

• 1:30:32Speaker 04

  He wouldn't have known all that unless he was involved and he was a Templar. Um. And, uh, of course, when Lewis and Clark were sent, they were Masons. And they were trading aprons with some of the tribes.

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  Why would that be? It's because those, those connections were already established centuries before. Uh, in fact, anytime you encounter a tribe that uses the red equal arm cross. Or the. Cross of Lorraine, which is. Archaeologists say, oh, is their way of depicting a firefly or not a fire, a dragonfly. Well, no, it wasn't. It was actually a cross of Lorraine because it was a Templar symbol.

• 1:31:19AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:31:19Speaker 04

  So these were all tribes that had established connections with the Templars already. And, uh. So anyhow, one of these tribes. Continues to protect. Uh, one of the vaults up in Montana. So. Those.

• 1:31:39Speaker 05

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• 1:32:08Speaker 04

  Those connections are still there. But at one point in time, there used to be seven vaults, one of which was actually on Oak Island. Right. And that's what the whole Oak Island mystery is. Sure. But, but we cleared that out in 1765. And this is gonna be a bummer for people who watch the show, but we, we, our records say we cleared that out in 1765 in preparation for the American Revolutionary War. Ah. Cause we already knew that we were gonna have to do that war to establish the United States as a free state and from England where these freedoms could be perpetuated.

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  And Benjamin Franklin was actually one of the people in charge of making sure that vault was cleared out to gain the money and resources. Cause a lot of the gold had to be melted down to be used to fund the revolution. Sure. So, so that was a, so that was a whole nother thing. So, so there were, um, um, other than the arcs, there were other artifacts. One of the things that was discovered in East Jerusalem in the area is, it's now referred to as the Talpiat Tomb. There was a tomb in East Jerusalem that was discovered that had ossuaries in it.

• 1:33:32Speaker 04

  These ossuaries contained the bones of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, and their children. And I say their children because it was also, it was...

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  According to our records, Templar records, Jesus was married, or I'm sorry, Mary Magdalene was married to John the Baptist prior to Jesus, and that they had children. And when John the Baptist died, when he was killed, Jesus then took on the responsibilities of John the Baptist.

• 1:34:15AJ Gentile?

  Because John was the earlier Messiah.

• 1:34:17Speaker 04

  Right, exactly. And Mary was the financier. She was a very rich woman. In fact, her name, Magdalene, comes from Magdal, which meant tower. And it was, she was the woman of this tower. She had, she had a lot of wealth. And so she was funding

• 1:34:37Speaker 04

  John the Baptist, and he was meant to be the original Messiah figure. And then when he was killed, Jesus took on that role.

• 1:34:50AJ Gentile?

  I want to ask you about that. I want to, I've set this up just for those listening, because it's an extraordinary claim. In 1945, the Gospel of Philip was found in ancient Egypt,

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:35:02AJ Gentile?

  which Mary Magdalene is featured very heavily,

• 1:35:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:35:06AJ Gentile?

  and considered Jesus' favorite disciple.

• 1:35:08Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:35:08AJ Gentile?

  There's even a passage of them kissing.

• 1:35:11Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah, he used to kiss her on the mouth.

• 1:35:13AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:35:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, yeah, and these were, and by the way, again, when the Templars were doing all of that research in Egypt a thousand years ago,

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  they discovered some of these clay jars, Natchamundi, where, you know, all the Natchamundi scrolls were found.

• 1:35:40AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:35:41Speaker 04

  That's about five minutes from the Valley of the Kings. It's right next to it. People don't realize, it is right there.

• 1:35:48AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  And so all of that research that the Templars were doing in Luxor, which is just right outside of the Valley of the Kings. Uh, and then they were going into these tombs in the Valley of the Kings. They were going into that whole area of Natchamundi. And they found some of these. Uh, some of these texts, which is also part of what they brought over to the new world. And, and it, and it supported their Gnostic belief system that they, that the Templars were secretly practicing.

• 1:36:25AJ Gentile?

  Certainly. Um, and Gnosticism is?

• 1:36:29Speaker 04

  It, so it's, it comes from the word gnosis, which means divine revelatory knowledge. And it was the belief that anybody through their own efforts could tap into this universal consciousness. That was referred to as the Christos. And so rather than Christ being the last name of Jesus, like I think many people think Jesus Christ is like his last name. Jesus, when he was speaking as the Christ, he was speaking as this universal consciousness.

• 1:37:04AJ Gentile?

  I, it could be argued that he was a Gnostic in this sort of way.

• 1:37:08Speaker 04

  Hundred percent. And not only that, but according to our Templar belief, Mary Magdalene was a, was quite possibly a priestess of the ISIS tradition of Egypt. And Mary Magdalene represented what was known as the Sophia, which was wisdom. The goddess of wisdom. And, uh, and according to the early Gnostic tradition, Sophia was the bride of the Christ, just like Mary Magdalene was the bride of Jesus.

• 1:37:50Speaker 04

  So Jesus represented the Christos. Mary Magdalene represented the Sophia. And, uh, their story was really the story of.

• 1:38:04Speaker 04

  The journey, the spiritual journey of every person who incarnates on this planet, who is a soul, who incarnates in the matter, gets lost in it, eventually works their way out of it, they, they come to marry or unite with the universal consciousness. And that's where the escape is from this prison planet.

• 1:38:27AJ Gentile?

  Sure. Where are we here to learn, have experiences and bring it back to the Christ of?

• 1:38:31Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. Yep. So that's Gnosticism in a real nutshell. I mean, there was a belief, the Gnostics believe that, that, uh, that this prison is, this planet is a prison planet until you wake up. And then, once you wake up, you can choose to incarnate back here to help wake other people up, to help other people escape the, the cave, uh, you know, from the Plato metaphor.

• 1:39:04Speaker 04

  Or you could choose to just continue to reincarnate to have experiences. Or you could also choose to not reincarnate anymore and to, into a, to exist in a different realm of light that's beyond this dimension.

• 1:39:22AJ Gentile?

  Well, we have got about 10 minutes left for the next break and I want to get into Gnosticism, alchemy and all of that, Emerald Tablet.

• 1:39:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:29AJ Gentile?

  But let's finish up with the bones.

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  The bones.

• 1:39:32AJ Gentile?

  Where'd you find them? How do we know?

• 1:39:34Speaker 04

  So, so the Templar Order, they, they've discovered this tomb clear back during the Crusades. Uh, that was the, was known as the Talpiet Tomb and they removed all the bones from these ossuaries and they took them, they, again, same routes, they brought them into, to Paris, into Scotland and eventually over into the New World. And they, uh, put them in these vaults. And then back in the 1980s, this tomb was rediscovered where they found the boxes, the ossuaries that had the names on them, but the bones were missing.

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  And it's because the bones had already been removed.

• 1:40:22Speaker 04

  Clear back during the Middle Ages and not only were the bones removed at that time, but the Templars put three skulls in the, in the east, the west and the south of the tomb as kind of symbolic guardians of the tomb and they, um, and they buried it under a, a rose, uh, garden. So it was under the rose. And that's really where that term sub rosa comes from, you know?

• 1:40:54AJ Gentile?

  It's beautiful.

• 1:40:55Speaker 04

  Which was, you know, the secret, yeah, secret knowledge, you know?

• 1:40:59AJ Gentile?

  So why not test the bones? Why not release that information?

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  We haven't had the technology to do that till recently.

• 1:41:06AJ Gentile?

  Right. So now we do.

• 1:41:08Speaker 04

  So now we do. So, so the hope is we've been hanging on to these things for centuries now. We're finally at a point where not only do we have the technology to test them, but we have the technology to reveal them all to the world at once.

• 1:41:26AJ Gentile?

  How much responsibility and weight do you feel about that?

• 1:41:31Speaker 04

  Quite a bit, but, but it's, it's time. You know, we've always been wanting to get, build up to this time where we could have a world community where people have the freedom to explore other ideas, uh, where, and for the last 40 years, we've been trying to get information out there to break down the conditioning because people have all kinds of cultural conditioning and beliefs.

• 1:42:01AJ Gentile?

  Well, Jesus resurrected bodily to heaven. So this.

• 1:42:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. So this, this interferes with that idea, but that's, but again, remember that's, that's a conditioning that the church has perpetuated from a gnostic standpoint.

• 1:42:17Speaker 04

  The Gnostics believed in reincarnation.

• 1:42:20AJ Gentile?

  True.

• 1:42:21Speaker 04

  So it's not a problem for the idea that Jesus could have died and could reincarnate.

• 1:42:29AJ Gentile?

  I have quite a few people in my audience who are uncomfortable with this story.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:42:35AJ Gentile?

  Can you put them at ease?

• 1:42:37Speaker 04

  Sure, absolutely. So another example of this, in the Bible of reincarnation, beyond the idea of being born again, right? Everyone thinks born again is the symbolic thing. Well, not necessarily. It could literally mean being born again. And, but there's also passages, like in the standard gospel, like when the disciples go to, there's a great passage where the disciples go to Jesus and they say, "Jesus, the people are saying that the prophet Elias has returned."

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  And Elias is just the Greek word for Elijah, right? So the Hebrew Elijah is the Greek Elias, so.

• 1:43:28AJ Gentile?

  Elijah, by the way, also went bodily to heaven.

• 1:43:31Speaker 04

  Correct. But it says, "People are saying that the prophet Elias or Elijah has returned." And Jesus says, "He has, but it's in a new form that the people don't fully recognize yet." And then it says, "Then the disciples understood he was talking about John the Baptist." Well, we know who John the Baptist's parents were. So that means if Elijah is returning as John the Baptist,

• 1:44:06Speaker 04

  it has to be he's reincarnating.

• 1:44:08AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:44:09Speaker 04

  Right? So there's an example, right there in the New Testament of reincarnation.

• 1:44:14AJ Gentile?

  I would assume that the Vatican does not like any of this?

• 1:44:17Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, no. Because the Vatican would rather have you believe you have one life

• 1:44:26Speaker 04

  and the only way to get to heaven is through them.

• 1:44:29AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:44:29Speaker 04

  Right? Which is good business.

• 1:44:31AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:44:32Speaker 04

  Right? I mean, and.

• 1:44:37Speaker 04

  And it also, they'll also have you believe that it doesn't matter what sins you commit, but if you believe in Jesus, you know, you do the crime, Jesus will do the time.

• 1:44:52AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:44:53Speaker 04

  So you can still get to heaven. Whereas the Gnostic said, no, you are personally responsible for your own salvation and your salvation comes from awakening. And that part of that awakening is to your own personal responsibility. So you do the crime, you know, you do the penance to make up for the crime.

• 1:45:17AJ Gentile?

  Last question, I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit.

• 1:45:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:45:21AJ Gentile?

  From what I understand, to be a Mason in your 32nd degree.

• 1:45:25Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:45:26AJ Gentile?

  To be initiated, you need to believe in a higher power.

• 1:45:29Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:45:30AJ Gentile?

  Do you?

• 1:45:31Speaker 04

  Absolutely, 100%. I believe in God or Source or Allah or whatever you want to call it.

• 1:45:40AJ Gentile?

  The Great Source?

• 1:45:41Speaker 04

  The Great Source, the Origin. And from a Gnostic, I consider myself a Gnostic. We believe that the Supreme God comes from a realm of light that is beyond this matter. But there's a seed of that light within everybody. And part of what Jesus came back to do was he was a great exemplar. He wasn't coming as a Savior. He was coming to give the example of how to live and how to bring that light outside of ourselves so that we can, and that, by the way, that light is within everybody of all

• 1:46:26Speaker 04

  faiths, of all religions. And all religions were started.

• 1:46:34Speaker 04

  Through a Gnostic experience, a revelation.

• 1:46:37AJ Gentile?

  Certainly.

• 1:46:37Speaker 04

  You know, and that's, and so then that that person became the prophet that started those religions. But that they're all telling the same story and they're all pointing to the same source. And we are all connected by that light. And this is what, this is why the Templars believed in freedoms come from God. And they come from that source. And that this is why they also believed in democracy.

• 1:47:08AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 1:47:08Speaker 04

  Right? Because it's inherently within us. And so we all have that right to have a say.

• 1:47:15AJ Gentile?

  So when Jesus was performing miracles.

• 1:47:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. And he said, very, very, I say unto you, those, these miracles you see me perform, ye shall do also. And those even greater than these. He was being an exemplar.

• 1:47:29AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:47:29Speaker 04

  And that we all have that potential within us. We all have the potential to heal. We all have the potential to awaken to this higher consciousness.

• 1:47:40AJ Gentile?

  And that would be sort of my message to anyone who's uncomfortable with this is, Jesus, I think, gave us a great gift with, with, with, with what he's passed down.

• 1:47:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:47:51AJ Gentile?

  And, and with the Templars continuing that message. Let's take one last break and then gotta talk about Atlantis. I'm so excited.

• 1:48:00Speaker 04

  Cool. Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:48:02AJ Gentile?

  I've been following your work for a long time. You know, I'm a fan. Just to tell the audience, when I did my Knights Templar episode, Tim was kind enough to trade a few emails with me and really enlighten me in a lot of things. And, and I've been a fan ever since because this is a very, very kind man. No matter, you could believe his claims. You don't have to believe them. This is a storytelling podcast. I love this story. And one of my favorite stories of all is Atlantis, Onanaki and all of that. So watching you contribute with Randall Carlson has been very exciting.

• 1:48:37Speaker 04

  Randall's great.

• 1:48:39AJ Gentile?

  So Atlantis, what's your take on it? What?

• 1:48:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, so definitely from a Templar perspective, we believe that the Templar story is, look, Atlantis was this advanced civilization. It was a worldwide network. There's some debate about where that center of activity was. Randall certainly believes it was in the Azores. For a long time, the Templar Order believed it was in the Azores. In fact, that's the whole reason why Portugal runs the, is in control of the Azores. Mm-hmm. Right? Because Portugal, again, was founded as a Templar state initially. Sure. And so that was all part of that. I think some of Plato's writings lines up with that.

• 1:49:28Speaker 04

  It does. It does. And Randall does a great job of showing all that. But, you know, when it collapsed, we believe it was right when Plato said it was, which was 9,000 years before him, which was right at the Younger Dryas Cataclysm. Sure. We know that the ice shelves, there's three miles of ice that went from the North Pole all the way down to Chicago in North America. He also found this in Europe, and it all melted rapidly. You believe in the impact theory?

• 1:50:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do. I do. I think, so, you know, there's two theories out there. One is that it was solar flare. Robert Shock suggests that. The other is that it was more of a comet fragments that broke up and hit the ice sheets. Graham Hancock certainly pushes that one. I'm torn, but I- It could be both. Yeah, it could be both. I used to work for the space labs up in Boulder, Colorado, and we created a-

• 1:50:40Speaker 04

  A satellite that was called the Advanced Composition Explorer Satellite, or the A satellite, and it still exists. It is, uh, it sits at what's known as the L1 point between where the gravity of the Earth and the gravity of the Sun is equal, so it just sits there in space and it looks at the Sun 24/7. Right, the range points? Yeah, and it was looking for is solar flares, so that we have an early warning detection system. Those terrify me. Right, because we could, in all probability, we may have another, um, there was a Carrington event back in the 1800s. And it just fried, there was a solar flare, fried all the cable, the telegraph cables.

• 1:51:23Speaker 04

  Sure, set them on fire, electrocuted operators. But that was pretty much the extent of it, you know, I mean, there wasn't an infrastructure based on electricity back then. If that same event were to happen today, uh, the government estimates that within two months, 80% of the population will be dead. No question. Because everything we depend on, I mean, you're not gonna be able to use your, your computers, your phones, your, your cars, uh, everything, pumps that pump water and sewage, those will stop working, uh, it'll be a mess, right? And it will happen at some point. Sure. What we found, though, also, when I was working there at the space labs, is when

• 1:52:08Speaker 04

  we enter into areas where there's more cosmic debris that's hitting the Earth, that, that same debris is going into the Sun, which is also fueling more solar flares. Right. So it could be both. You know, we could have had these cosmic fragments that were hitting the, the ice caps, and they were also going into the Sun, triggering more solar flares at the same time, so it doesn't have to be one or the other, it could be both. But what we do know is...

• 1:52:48Speaker 04

  Regardless of what was triggering it the most at the Younger Dryas, it was melting the ice caps rapidly. Sea levels rose 300 feet. This is the reason why, for example, this is what formed the Great Lakes in the United States. It's what the separation of like England from the rest of Europe, for example, that English Channel, that's when that was formed. You can look at the bottom of the English Channel this day, there's still the foundations of houses down there, because that was all above water. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Okay.

• 1:53:30Speaker 04

  So it's all, you know, it just caused mass flooding, mass cataclysm. And if there was a civilization as advanced as we are today, there's nothing of it that would have survived. If the same thing were to happen today, there's nothing we've created that would have survived 10,000 years from now. So, um, so from a Templar perspective, what happened was the cataclysm occurred in stages.

• 1:54:07Speaker 04

  And the Atlanteans, they sent out, um, pockets of survival into certain places where they tried to bring their technology and their knowledge. Did they know? Where it could be preserved. Did they know that this was coming? They knew it was coming on some level and they couldn't stop it. Right. And, you know, according to Plato, they were greedy and whatever else. And so their selfishness and their narcissism led to them.

• 1:54:42Speaker 04

  You know, fighting with each other to not be able to develop what they needed to do to survive in anyways.

• 1:54:47AJ Gentile?

  But he might have added that.

• 1:54:48Speaker 04

  He may have added that.

• 1:54:50AJ Gentile?

  As a moral thing.

• 1:54:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course. So.

• 1:54:53AJ Gentile?

  Because.

• 1:54:54Speaker 04

  Because there's always a moral story, but under it is also hidden deeper truths. You find that in the story of Noah, too. To give an example, in the story of Noah, the earth is obsessed with its physical senses. Along comes a flood, right? And then Noah lets birds go into the air to test if there's land somewhere. Eventually, after 40 days and 40 nights, he lands on Mount Ararat, and he makes a burnt sacrifice to God.

• 1:55:29Speaker 04

  Well, these stages correspond to alchemical stages of earth is associated with physical association. Water was associated with emotions, and was kind of the next stage of alchemical work was associated with digestion. Air was the next stage. Noah lets birds go into the air. And then fire was the last stage, and calcination. And Mount, and Ararat is a Sanskrit word that means illuminated one, right? So.

• 1:56:13Speaker 04

  So contained within this story of this cataclysm was actually this also this, the secret science, you know, of awakening. And so that's what these ancient myths used to do. They used to, they used to incorporate.

• 1:56:34Speaker 04

  Both sacred knowledge and history, but in a, in a story, you know, that could be, any child could, you know, enjoy, you know? So, but there were, but, but because there were all these myths, these same flood myths all over the world, I mean, the, the Templars figured that out pretty quick. So they figured out there must be something to this. And so the Templar Order, according to the secret tradition, Templar Order was secretly founded to go regain the technologies and any lost knowledge that was being preserved from this pre-Diluvian civilization. Did they find any? They did.

• 1:57:18Speaker 04

  They found, well, they found the arcs, they found manuscripts and they found secret knowledge. And more importantly, they found that the initiation rites that they were passing on, which involved amongst other things, a symbolic death or killing of a candidate and raising them back from the dead, uh, which represented not only the person dying to the, to their old self and waking up to their new self, but it also represented that civilization

• 1:57:59Speaker 04

  that had collapsed and then had needed to be raised again. But there was a secret hand grip that was given during this raising. And they found that this secret initiation ceremony was being preserved in the same manner all over the world, ancient world at certain areas. The ancient Egyptians were practicing it. The Mayans were practicing it. The Druze were practicing it. Even though they're supposed to have no contact. They were supposed to have no contact with you. It was the exact same initiation ceremony and the exact same secret handshake. Did those ceremonies, ceremonies involve alchemy? They did, yeah.

• 1:58:44Speaker 04

  So alchemy was another big part of it, right? Because alchemy was the, this was believed to be the science of Atlantis.

• 1:58:58Speaker 04

  The colors of Atlantis were black, red, and white, which are the colors of the alchemical process. Literally, the transformations that go from black to red to white. Right. When you're doing the alchemical work. And... What are the colors of the Knights Templar? Black, red, and white. What are the colors of the flag of Egypt? Black, red, and white. What were the colors of ancient Egypt? Black, red, and white. Yeah. You know? Amazing. Yeah, I mean, it was all the same thing. And the, um, so, and it was all, and the science of alchemy, which by the way, comes from the word alchem or alchemit.

• 1:59:42Speaker 04

  Chem or chemit was the ancient name for Egypt. So, it was the land, the land of chem or the lamb of chemit was this land that was preserving this knowledge. And so alchemy comes from that. And the Templars were figuring this out, they were passing it on. There were three main stages in the alchemical process. The first was digestion, where you took whatever you were working on, whether it be a metal or a herb, and you put it in a liquid that would break it down.

• 2:00:27Speaker 04

  This was also associated with baptism, it was called baptism by water. Oh, right. After which it would change, and it would turn black. When it did this, it was known as caput mortem, which means deadhead. All right, so, so let's talk about John the Baptist for a minute. What did he do? Baptized with water. Yes. And then what happened to him? Got his head cut off. That's right. Dead head, could put more of them, right? First stage of the alchemical process. Um, then the next stage was distillation, where the liquid, you would heat it and it would turn into a steam.

• 2:01:10Speaker 04

  And then you could collect that steam and it would have within it the volatile chemicals, whether it be oils from an herb or oils from a, um, from like a gold chloride or something, you know, and a, uh, a metal that had been broken down, uh, by acids as opposed to by water or alcohol. Um, so, so that was the second stage associated with air. And it was always represented by birds and alchemical texts. And then the last stage was calcination or fire, where you burnt the original material down to its

• 2:01:53Speaker 04

  ashes and you extract the secret salts out of them, which was the hidden mana or these mono-atomics. Yep. Right? And then you could combine these processes together to create this new, uh, elixir that was more potent than the original thing you started with, right? And that's how you create, all medicines are created this way. Um, but all metallic transmutations are created this way too. So, and the, and the original thing you were

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• 2:02:58Speaker 04

  Working on was associated with earth. The digestion was associated with water or liquids. The distillation was associated with air. Um, and then, uh,

• 2:03:12Speaker 04

  Calcination was associated with fire. And these were the, the, the lick, you started with earth and then you went to, liquid, gas, and plasma states, basically. And this was all part of the alchemical process. And you find this even in the ancient, the myths of Osiris, the god Osiris. You know, in the story, he's, he's, he's, first he's depicted as green, which represented green vegetation. He's chopped up, he's thrown into the Nile, which is the water stage.

• 2:03:54AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:03:54Speaker 04

  Right? Isis then goes to find him. She turns herself into a bird, starts flying around him. That was, uh, distillation, that was the air stage. And then she lights oil lamps and incense, puts them back together and raises them, right? To a new form.

• 2:04:17AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:04:17Speaker 04

  Well, that's the alchemical process.

• 2:04:19AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:04:20Speaker 04

  It's the same with the story of Noah. Earth is obsessed with its physical senses. Along comes a flood, water. He lets go of birds, distillation. He lands on Mount Arat, makes a burnt sacrifice to God, calcination. It's the same science being depicted in all of these ancient texts. And the people that were passing on these stories were preserving these alchemical sciences.

• 2:04:47AJ Gentile?

  Well, we, you said something really interesting that, so we have white, black, and red. I believe those are the color stages of the philosopher's stone.

• 2:04:57Speaker 04

  Correct. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So the philosopher's stone was just, you go through those stages of the, so technically...

• 2:05:08Speaker 04

  The entire alchemical process, it turns black, red, white, and then black, red, white again, and then black, red, white a third time. And then you're, you basically, you've purified it these different ways and extracted what you needed at each stage to create this philosopher's stone.

• 2:05:29AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:05:30Speaker 04

  That was the idea behind it.

• 2:05:32AJ Gentile?

  And before people roll your eyes, Isaac Newton spent most of his time pursuing this.

• 2:05:37Speaker 04

  Eighty-five percent of everything Newton wrote on had to do with alchemy.

• 2:05:41AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:42Speaker 04

  You know, I mean, it was just the fifteen percent was on gravity or whatever. But even that was tied into alchemy. He was noticing that there were, under the,

• 2:05:53Speaker 04

  you know, when he zoomed down on the elements and metals, he found that there was these secret forces that were acting, you know, which we now recognize as like covalent bonds and stuff that were forming between things, but there were these secret forces that were,

• 2:06:15Speaker 04

  that he could see under the microscope. And he also saw those same secret forces happening between the planets above. So he rationalized, according to the Emerald Tablet, as above, so below, that there was a force that was happening, that was happening both on the upper and on the lower.

• 2:06:34AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:06:35Speaker 04

  And he was trying to understand what that force was, and so that's how he developed gravity.

• 2:06:41AJ Gentile?

  Wasn't he working off a translation of the Emerald Tablet?

• 2:06:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. In fact, he had his own translation of it. In my book, Alchemical Keys to Masonic Ritual, I actually have Isaac Newton's translation of the Emerald Tablet in it.

• 2:06:54AJ Gentile?

  I love to read that.

• 2:06:54Speaker 04

  It's also in my book, Novo Clavus Esoterica.

• 2:06:58AJ Gentile?

  We'll put all that stuff up.

• 2:06:59Speaker 04

  But it's, yeah, that's what Newton was doing. And by the way, there's a, in that stage of the alchemical process, there's a certain point where, whether you're working with metals like gold, or whether you're working with herbs, where you are trying to extract the secret salts out, this hidden mana, these mono-atomics,

• 2:07:31Speaker 04

  there's a certain point where it turns.

• 2:07:37Speaker 04

  Yellow, very yellow, and it looks like piss.

• 2:07:41AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:07:42Speaker 04

  And the alchemists called this the alchemist urine.

• 2:07:46AJ Gentile?

  I mean, this is part of the legend.

• 2:07:48Speaker 04

  This is why everyone thought that you were, you had to extract it out of urine.

• 2:07:52AJ Gentile?

  That's what I thought.

• 2:07:53Speaker 04

  Right, but it's not actual urine.

• 2:07:56AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 2:07:56Speaker 04

  It's philosophical urine. It's the, the alchemists described what things looked like,

• 2:08:04Speaker 04

  not what they actually were. So it looked like urine, so they called it urine, or the, or same reason why they called, when they first started digesting an herb and it would start to turn reddish, they called it minstrum.

• 2:08:18AJ Gentile?

  Ah.

• 2:08:19Speaker 04

  But it wasn't actual minstrum. Uh, so, so it wasn't, and I, and I watched your great episode on the Emerald Tablet and, and the discovery phosphorus and that came out of that, but, but it was, the, the true urine had nothing to do with urine.

• 2:08:36AJ Gentile?

  Thank goodness.

• 2:08:37Speaker 04

  It had to do with, it looked like urine.

• 2:08:40AJ Gentile?

  So all those people on those forums that were collecting their urine, they made a terrible mistake.

• 2:08:45Speaker 04

  Terrible mistake, yeah. I mean, there's, and there are some people that believe that their, that, you know, their pineal gland is excreting, uh, you know, melatonin, but also, uh, dimethyltrypylene, uh, DMT.

• 2:09:01AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:09:01Speaker 04

  And that it gets collected in the urine so that they could extract that out of the urine.

• 2:09:08AJ Gentile?

  Oh, I never heard that. I'm not gonna try that one.

• 2:09:09Speaker 04

  But that's, but that's not, uh, I would not recommend that. I mean, uh, the true urine that the alchemists were referring to was, it's, it's a stage in the process where it does, it looks like urine, uh, but it's not really urine. It's, uh, that's just what it looks like.

• 2:09:26AJ Gentile?

  Um, who found the Emerald Tablet and does that connect to the Templars?

• 2:09:30Speaker 04

  So that, well, originally the Emerald Tablet was said to be found, uh, so it was written by Hermes or Hermes Trismajestus, Hermes the Thrice Great, um, and it was said to be discovered in-

• 2:09:45AJ Gentile?

  Well, let's stop there for just a second, because Hermes Trismajestus, so that's Hermes and, and I think, and Osiris together, yes?

• 2:09:54Speaker 04

  Well, it's kind of, it's kinda, so the story of-

• 2:09:58Speaker 04

  Of Osiris, as I just mentioned, was an alchemical metaphor. It was also the story of Atlantis. Right? Where it was originally, it was the civilization. It got chopped up.

• 2:10:17Speaker 04

  Sent out Isis, Isis, which by the way, her name means throne or power.

• 2:10:25Speaker 04

  Um, Osiris's name in Egyptian is Os, Osar. Uh, it, it was the Greek that named him Osiris. But his original name in, uh, in ancient Egyptian is Osar. And the us part of it means Isis.

• 2:10:45Speaker 04

  It means throne, because that's where the power comes from. Right. And then the Sar was his part. By the way, Sar is where we get the word sir and sire from. Okay. Um, but, uh, but the throne was Isis, so the seat of power was Isis. So she goes and collects the pieces. Brings them back together, resurrects them. And that's the story of Egypt. Right. Right? And Hermes is the god of writing and knowledge? Right, writing, knowledge, she was in ancient Egyptian, he was Toth or Tahuti. Right, Toth, yes. Yep, so, um, and by the way.

• 2:11:29Speaker 04

  Uh, that story of Osiris also symbolically represents from a gnostic standpoint. It represents the path that we all go through, where we come into this world, we incarnate. We see everything in pieces. They're as separate. And it's only when we're able to put them all back together again into the oneness.

• 2:11:55Speaker 04

  That we have the understanding of that we're all a part of this universal intelligence.

• 2:12:01AJ Gentile?

  This is why I need you here for eight hours.

• 2:12:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, so but so that's a that's that's another side. But so the Osiris myth represented all these things, right? And and the and the pharaohs used to go through an initiation rite where they would be symbolically killed.

• 2:12:19AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:12:19Speaker 04

  Like Osiris and then brought back. And by the way, this is what Templars believe Jesus was doing with Lazarus. He was initiating him because in Hebrew Lazarus is El Asur. Well, L is the Egyptian article for God and Asur was the ancient Egyptian name for the god Osiris.

• 2:12:46Speaker 04

  And he was raised in Bethany or in Hebrew Bethanu. Beth means house in Hebrew and Anu was the ancient Egyptian abode of the dead.

• 2:12:54AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:12:54Speaker 04

  So you literally had Jesus raising the god Osiris in the house of the dead, which was either a metaphor or it was an initiation rite. And we think it was an initiation rite because Templars continue to do that same initiation rite. And we're not the only ones. The Mayans continue to this day do that same initiation rite. And you're raised by the same grip, the same hand grip. That's how when the Templars went over and met with the Mayans, they were able to give them this hand grip. They recognized it.

• 2:13:32AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:13:33Speaker 04

  The Hopi, they recognized the same hand grip. They say this hand grip was given to them right before the last shaking of the earth. And it was given so that everyone, all the the high priesthoods, the high shaman would all recognize each other again.

• 2:13:49AJ Gentile?

  That's fascinating.

• 2:13:50Speaker 04

  Came back together.

• 2:13:51AJ Gentile?

  Because the Hopi also have a legend about the ant people coming out of the caves.

• 2:13:55Speaker 04

  That's right. Who had brought them underground right before the shaking of the earth.

• 2:13:59AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:14:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's the same cataclysmic myths, but um.

• 2:14:05Speaker 04

  The the Druze of Lebanon, they have this same grip that they're giving in their initiations. The Sufi have this same grip. Uh, the same grip can be found within the Kabbalistic traditions of the Judaic Kabbalistic traditions. So it's.

• 2:14:30Speaker 04

  And it is all associated with this symbolic death and raising ritual. And the fact that all these different cultures separated are practicing it and have the exact same grip. Suggests it all goes back to the same source. I I was down in Yucatan years ago. And I was meeting with the Mayan and we give this grip to this day. I still participate when we do our tours, allow allow them to participate in these ceremonies down there. And they'll do them, the the Mayans will do these ceremonies for us because of my association with them.

• 2:15:10Speaker 04

  And, uh, but they had these, they took me to this, um, they had recently taken apart this pyramid. Uh, in order to use the stones to build fencing, which is kind of a sad commentary. It is. You know, but when they disassembled the pyramid, they found all these artifacts in them that they kind of put into a mobile home unit. And turned it into a museum. And and the figures are performing this initiation, right? Amazing. And I asked him, I said, well, how old are these figurines, do you know? And yeah, they'd actually been carbon dated to about 900 AD. Well, that's before the Templars ever existed.

• 2:15:55Speaker 04

  Right. It's before any European ever went over to, that we know of, went over into Yucatan.

• 2:16:08Speaker 04

  But the fact that they were practicing it back at least that far,

• 2:16:14Speaker 04

  again, suggests it's a tradition they inherited. And they say they inherited it from Atzon.

• 2:16:22AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I think it's going to be in short order that the mainstream archaeology is going to become the fringe archaeology, in my opinion.

• 2:16:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you're right.

• 2:16:32AJ Gentile?

  We only have about 20 minutes left, so let's get back to the Hermetic gun and the Emerald Tablet.

• 2:16:37Speaker 04

  So the Emerald Tablet, supposedly it was originally discovered in Siwa in Egypt.

• 2:16:49Speaker 04

  According to tradition, Apollonius of Tyana discovered it. According to Templar tradition, Apollonius of Tyana was actually the Apostle Paul. And that Paul just is short for Apollonius, which just means little Apollo.

• 2:17:09AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:17:09Speaker 04

  Right? And that, but that's a whole nother discussion. But supposedly, he discovered this tablet and,

• 2:17:28Speaker 04

  you know, at the grave of Hermes or Toth.

• 2:17:34Speaker 04

  Because again, Hermes was Toth or Tahudi in the ancient Egyptian.

• 2:17:42Speaker 04

  And continued to pass it on. Now, what's interesting from a

• 2:17:52Speaker 04

  a Nadjamundi.

• 2:17:57Speaker 04

  So Nadjamundi in Egypt is where all these earliest.

• 2:18:03Speaker 04

  Fragments of the Gospels were discovered in these clay jars.

• 2:18:06AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:18:07Speaker 04

  The other thing that they found in those clay jars were a bunch of Hermetic texts, which means that these early Christians were revering Hermetic texts.

• 2:18:18AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:18:19Speaker 04

  Just as much as the Gospels.

• 2:18:21AJ Gentile?

  Sure, I mean, I'm assuming most people know, but maybe not, but the Bible was, there was a lot of controversy, what books would go in and come out.

• 2:18:32Speaker 04

  Correct, yeah, and some of those, some of those early fragments became part of the standard Gospels, and some of them didn't. I mean, the Council of Nicaea, they were removed.

• 2:18:42AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:18:42Speaker 04

  Even in 325, so...

• 2:18:45AJ Gentile?

  And Gnostic texts were not going to make it in there.

• 2:18:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and a lot of the Gnostic texts just weren't going to make it in, because they painted a different perspective, but those Gnostic texts were in line with the Hermetic texts. And one of the things we have to understand about Hermeticism in general, and the Emerald Tablet falls into this as well, it talks about, "As above, so below," and it says, it says that the, that all was created by the meditation of the One, and it all goes back to the One Mind.

• 2:19:27Speaker 04

  Well, Hermeticists believe that, look, if you're the Creator of all that is, say there's, there's nothing around you to create with, because you're all that is, right? You're the singular intelligence. The only way that you could create is within your own mind. And therefore, everything that we see around us, that we think is real and solid and everything else, is just mind stuff. It's the mind of the Creator.

• 2:19:58AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:20:00Speaker 04

  And of course, 20th century physicists told us this. I mean, people like Maxwell Planck and Heisenberg and others, they all said, the more they look at the foundation blocks of matter, the more they appears that we're living in a mind. It's all mind stuff.

• 2:20:17AJ Gentile?

  Sure. If you can explain the collapse of the wave function, then go get your Nobel Prize.

• 2:20:22Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. That's exactly right. But it's completely in line with the Hermetic Texts. And of course, this is completely in line with the things Jesus was saying too. You know, I mean, this is how you would perform the miracles. Because if your mind is a part of the greater mind, and all matter, so-called matter is just made up of mind stuff.

• 2:20:48AJ Gentile?

  What language is the tablet in?

• 2:20:50Speaker 04

  So supposedly, the original, this original Emerald Tablet, which has never been found, but has been translated over the centuries, was written in Phoenician.

• 2:21:04AJ Gentile?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:21:06Speaker 04

  So Phoenician, the thing we have to understand about Phoenician is, the Phoenicians were basically the cousins of the Egyptians. In fact, even Osiris, when his body finally, his, yeah, the parts of his body were reassembled, it was in Byblos, which was a Phoenician city, right? But the, yeah, the Phoenicians, and, by the way, if you look at the hieroglyphs for the letters, the simple letters, the standard letters, not like complex hieroglyphs

• 2:21:48Speaker 04

  that explain different concepts, but like actual letter forms, you look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs, for example, the Egyptian hieroglyph for the letter M is an owl, right? And if you look at the Phoenician letter for the letter M, it looks like the head of that owl. And you take the Phoenician, and you take it into the Hebrew, the Hebrew letter Men, it's just a...

• 2:22:18Speaker 04

  Re-emphasis of that Phoenician letter, M.

• 2:22:21AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:22:22Speaker 04

  So you can trace the Egyptian hieroglyphs to the Phoenician, to the Hebrew, very easily.

• 2:22:26AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:22:27Speaker 04

  And, uh...

• 2:22:29AJ Gentile?

  I don't think that's controversial.

• 2:22:30Speaker 04

  It's not even, it's not controversial.

• 2:22:31AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:22:32Speaker 04

  Uh, and that's why a lot of the Egyptian words became Phoenician words, which became Hebrew words. And, um, even to this day. So, um, but the, uh, but the Emerald Tablet was originally said to be written in this Phoenician language. Um, and, uh, but was found in Egypt and supposedly, uh, and then translations of it had been copied for the last several thousand years, uh, going all the way back. Some of the earliest sources were Arabic sources copying it.

• 2:23:13Speaker 04

  And then, um, later people like Sir Isaac Newton were making their own translations of it.

• 2:23:20AJ Gentile?

  Could the Phoenicians have gotten that information from the Atlanteans?

• 2:23:24Speaker 04

  Possibly. I mean, again, the Phoenicians were kind of like the cousins of the Egyptians and they are both believed to be the same, essentially the same cultures. They even had the same gods. I mean, like Thoth or Tahudi of ancient Egypt was Tuat of the Phoenicians. So it was, and, uh, the Egyptians, even the Phoenicians said that their chief god was known as Al-Elion, which just was this god of light. And, uh, the same Al-Elion was probably the Aten of the Egyptians, you know, that was

• 2:24:07Speaker 04

  the secret one god, you know, that all the, the gods were said to be a part of, you know? Um, in the same way, even today...

• 2:24:18Speaker 04

  Like within Christianity, we have the archangels. But if you break down the names of the archangels, like Uriel, for example, L means God. So Uriel means the light of God. Raphael means God heals. Right. Gabriel means the strength of God. I didn't know that. Yeah, Mikiel means is like God. So they're all aspects of God. Sure. Right? They're just like, so if you want to pray to the healing aspect of God, you pray to Raphael. Because that means God heals.

• 2:24:59Speaker 04

  Right? So Raphael is the archangel that delivers the message that you need healing to God. You know, according to standard, uh, modern Christian theology. But if you really break down the Hebrew roots, it's like, these are their own beings, but they're aspects of God. In the same way, ancient Egyptians believed that the different Nidhur, the Nidhur, the different gods were aspects of the one God, you know? And that was the great secret that Akhenaten revealed and then got in trouble for. Oh, yes. Yeah. So you've got a tour coming up in March.

• 2:25:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, in the March, uh, beginning of April to, um, Egypt. What are we gonna see? That, that other, that you can't see if you go on? Yeah, so if you go on our tours, we go to all the major temples in Egypt. Uh, and so that we start out at Giza. And we, uh, start to go to the temples around Giza. And then we fly to Luxor. And we see Luxor and Karnak and then all, and Aswan and, uh, Osirion? Yeah, we go to the Osirion and Abydos. And, and we have,

• 2:26:25Speaker 04

  A lot of tourists, if you go to these places, you can kind of look over them. Like the Sphinx. There's a kind of a lookout point where you can look down at the Sphinx, but you're not allowed to actually go into the Sphinx enclosure. But we have, our tour has access to everything. So we can actually go into these areas. We can go into the Sphinx. We can go into the Osirian. There are secret areas in the Temple of Hathor at Dendera that are close to the public, but we have access to them. So we actually go into them.

• 2:27:03Speaker 04

  And then the trip culminates back at Giza. And we have the Great Pyramid to ourselves the last night. We literally, they kick all the tourists off the Giza Plateau. We get a military escort to the Great Pyramid. They guard it for the night for us. And we, for those people who are interested in the Templar path, we'll initiate them.

• 2:27:36AJ Gentile?

  Well, you can.

• 2:27:38Speaker 04

  In the pyramid.

• 2:27:38AJ Gentile?

  You could petition to become a Templar?

• 2:27:40Speaker 04

  Correct, yeah. So, so, so we have a priest study body known as the Templar Collegia. And anyone could go to that. It's templarcollegia.org. It's 40 bucks. You apply for 40 bucks or 50 bucks, something like that. We do a background check. As long as everything looks good, we send you your first study material. It's a thousand-page book. It's called the Codex. And it's all the fundamental information that we feel like you need to know as a Templar.

• 2:28:16AJ Gentile?

  I'm buying it today.

• 2:28:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's great. And then, and then there's a second Codex, Volume Two, too, after you've studied that. But, so we get people starting to study that. But if they go on our tour. We'll also initiate them in the Great Pyramid. Unbelievable. And we're the only group that's allowed to do this because we've been doing it for the last thousand years. And we do it in the way that was always traditionally done. Has Zahi Was ever gotten in your way? No. Okay. No, no. We had, we came close in 2011. We were doing initiations in there, but it was during the Arab Spring. Right.

• 2:29:00Speaker 04

  And Mubarak had just gotten deposed and, and Zahi Was had just gotten fired. Right. And, and that's a whole nother story. Sure. You know, we don't need to get into right now, but like, but, um, you know, we'd almost had run into some problems then. And then there was about a 10-year period where we couldn't do it because things were too unstable in Egypt. But they're fine now. And when we travel on these tours, we have armed guards with us from the Egyptian government who make sure that we're all okay the entire trip. And, um, you know, we set it up where we have private time in all these temples.

• 2:29:44Speaker 04

  You know, we go to the Temple of Horus at Edfu, for example. We show you where the Atlantis myth is inscribed on the building or the, the, the, the, the legend of Utlant. Mm-hmm. That's what the Egyptian name for it is, Utlant. And so probably when Solon, you know, Plato's great, great, great grandfather, um, talked about the Atlantis myth, I mean, he was learning about Utlant and he just called it Utlantis. And, and that's how it came to Plato.

• 2:30:22Speaker 04

  But, um, we show you where Utlant is written on the temple wall and, uh, and, and it shows, you know, all the needers and boats, you know, coming to Egypt to set things up. And they have with them an ark on the boat. And there's actually a replica of one of those arcs in the temple of Horus at, uh...

• 2:30:51Speaker 04

  And we, and that's close to the public, but we actually have access to that as well. So you can go in and actually see the, the chamber and, and see the ark. You know, it's a replica, but it's still there.

• 2:31:04AJ Gentile?

  I would love the, um, the influence of the knights to get us digging in the Hawara labyrinth.

• 2:31:11Speaker 04

  Yes. Yes. I've known about that for, I first went there with, uh, Robert Bival. Uh, back in 2010, 2011 and, um, we were scoping that whole area out. It's been known about for a long time.

• 2:31:26AJ Gentile?

  Well, since.

• 2:31:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:31:29AJ Gentile?

  Herodotus.

• 2:31:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. And there's still, there, there's statues poking out of the ground and everything there. It's, it's pretty amazing.

• 2:31:36AJ Gentile?

  But there's that metal ring down there.

• 2:31:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. That's, that's, there's a couple of things that still need to be dug up in Egypt. That's one of them. There's also an area we go to, uh, on our tour called Elephantine Island. And Elephantine Island looks like a bomb went off on it, but it's, um, it's where there used to be a very early Jewish temple on that island. There's a temple of Tutmosis III there. Elephantine Island was like the museum for the ancient Egyptians where they brought all of their discoveries.

• 2:32:18Speaker 04

  It's one of the oldest places in Egypt and it's close to the public, but we have access to it. And there, there is a museum on the island and they have things like boomerangs. Right? That had been preserved there.

• 2:32:35AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 2:32:36Speaker 04

  What were they doing with boomerangs? And, and by the way, the boomerangs even have kangaroos on them.

• 2:32:41AJ Gentile?

  What?

• 2:32:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. So it's like. Clearly, the ancient Egyptians were traveling to Australia and bringing this stuff back and then preserving it on the island.

• 2:32:51Speaker 06

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• 2:33:22Speaker 04

  And we also know that one of, there's an ark on Elephantine Island that hasn't been dug up yet. Oh. And it's, it's issuing so much energy that it's actually turning the granite into slate on the island, which normally would take thousands of years, but something's doing it. There's so much high energy, it's speeding up that process. So we show that on the island. We kind of know where the ark is. But they've been digging down to it for the last 60 years. This is some German scientists right now who are in charge of all that, so.

• 2:34:06Speaker 04

  But again, and by the way, on the island, there's also vegetation.

• 2:34:13Speaker 04

  That you find, it's the only place in Egypt where you find this vegetation and it's vegetation from the New World. From the Yucatan. Amazing. Right? Which again proves something, you know, they're bringing things back, growing it there. And there's temples too, there's, there's even a temple that has a mural of Egyptians meeting with Mayans on it. On this island, and we show that.

• 2:34:41AJ Gentile?

  There's no question. There's DNA evidence that.

• 2:34:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

• 2:34:45AJ Gentile?

  One last time, Tim, where can we find you online, learn more about you? Do you have seven books?

• 2:34:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, seven books. You can, you can, well, you can find all my books on Amazon. If you just Google Timothy Hogan, you'll find them. You can also find them at Lulu Press. You can find, there's a Timothy Hogan page that has all my books. If you are interested in the tours, you can, you can search for Templar Travel Tours. That's my company. Next year, we're doing, we have a Egypt trip, we have a Mexico trip, and we have a UK trip. And each of these areas, we explore not all the Atlantean connection, but the Templar connection with this stuff.

• 2:35:33Speaker 04

  And we show, we prove on the tour, so you can see for yourself, these Templar connections at these areas.

• 2:35:41AJ Gentile?

  Can't wait.

• 2:35:43Speaker 04

  And then, and then the other company that I do that you can find me is, well, you can, you can go to templarcollegia.org. That's where if you're interested in potentially starting the study and becoming Templar, you can do, you can go there. And we can start you on that process. And then finally, if you look up Nurabuda or Templar Maid, Templar Maid is my company where we manufacture monoatomic gold.

• 2:36:19AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:36:20Speaker 04

  And we make that available to, to the public, too.

• 2:36:23AJ Gentile?

  But not with urine?

• 2:36:24Speaker 04

  But not with urine. There's no urine involved, yeah. Even though there's a stage in the process that's called the urine stage, because it looks like urine, but it's not, it's actually gold chloride, so, which looks like urine.

• 2:36:36AJ Gentile?

  Tim Hogan, this has been a treat, a joy.

• 2:36:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's been a super joy for me. I love the work that you do, and I'm so thankful that you brought me on here.

• 2:36:45AJ Gentile?

  Please come back anytime.

• 2:36:46Speaker 04

  I would love to do that. We have a lot more we can talk about.

• 2:36:49AJ Gentile?

  So much. All right. Have a great time. Bye, everybody.

• 2:36:53AJ Gentile?

  That was Tim Hogan, who has become one of my favorite people. He's kind, compassionate, and he knows everything about the Knights Templar. But let's break down the conversation. Here's what we know for sure. Tim's credentials check out. He's the Grand Master of the Order of the Temple of the Secret Initiates. His family history of Freemasonry and the Templars is documented. General Joseph Warren is real. The Denver Airport connections are real. His father was mayor of Aurora. The standard Templar history he laid out, 1118 to 1307, the banking system, Friday the 13th, Jacques de Molay's execution? That's all historical record, so there's no issues there. As for the big claims, Tim talks about the Younger Dryas cataclysm wiping out an advanced civilization. Well, that was fringe science until pretty recently.

• 2:37:38AJ Gentile?

  A 2024 study from the University of South Carolina found shocked courts evidence supporting the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis. That a massive comet, possibly 50 miles wide, struck the Earth about 12,900 years ago. The mainstream is catching up on this one, and I'm on board. As for monatomic gold as a superconductor? That's another piece of pseudoscience that's becoming not so pseudo. There's actually a 2024 peer-reviewed paper in the Benny Sweth University Journal examining gold warvis in relation to superconductivity research. Now, Tim sells this stuff on his website. I can't vouch for it, but I can't debunk it. Purchase and consume at your own risk. Now, the arc as an electrical capacitor?

• 2:38:20AJ Gentile?

  Well, the Jewish Bible quarterly published an academic paper on exactly this theory. The gold-wood gold construction mirrors a laden jar. The science tracks, even if the application is speculative. Now, if you watch my episode on the arc, I break down how this works scientifically. And during our conversation, we mentioned that Isaac Newton spent most of his time on alchemy. Well, that's true. Indiana University's Chemistry of Isaac Newton Project documents that he wrote about a million words on alchemy. Francis Bacon's New Atlantis being connected to Rosicrucians. Historian Francis Yates made that argument academically. Now, one claim I couldn't verify. Tim says Harry Truman wrote "We have discovered an ancient weapon" about the atomic bomb.

• 2:39:03AJ Gentile?

  Search Truman's actual diary entries from 1945. He calls it "the most terrible thing ever discovered", but it couldn't find that specific ancient weapon language anywhere. Now the big ones. "The bones of Jesus evolved in Washington DC", "The Six Arks his order claims to have", "Well, the Tappia tomb was discovered in the 1980s", "The ossuaries are real", "The names are real", "DNA testing was done", "But whether those were the Jesus and Mary Magdalene", "That's a bigger claim than I can process in one sitting." My take is that Tim Hogan is either sitting on secrets that rewrite history, or he's the most committed storyteller I've ever met. What I can't shake is how much of what he says lines up where the actual science is heading. The Younger Gerys impact, the PZO electric properties of the pyramids granite,

• 2:39:48AJ Gentile?

  the hermetic roots of modern science. Mainstream research keeps catching up to ideas that used to be fringe. Now to learn more about Tim, check out his book "The Templar Legacy" on Amazon, or even join him on one of his tours to Egypt or the UK. Check out templartraveltours0.wordpress.com, or easier is search for the Facebook group Templar Travel Tours. I'm actually gonna go on one of these. Now remember, Tim's not here to convince you of anything. What you believe is up to you. Either way, it's a hag of a story. Until next time, be safe, be kind, know that you are appreciated.

• 2:41:16Speaker 07

  I fear the crack cat and got stuck inside Mel's hole with MKL truck I'm being only too aware Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone? On a film set, were the shadows people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man I'm told, and his name was Cold And I can't believe, I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And one more zombie beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth

• 2:42:00Speaker 07

  And one more zombie beat all through the night

• 2:42:22Speaker 07

  The Mothman sightings and the solar storms still come To have got the secret city underground Mysterious number stations, planets circle to Project Stargate And what the dark watchers found In a simulation, don't you worry though The black nights had a lot of tone It's so, I can't believe, I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday nights with AJ2 And one more zombie beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth

• 2:43:06Speaker 07

  And one more zombie beat all through the night

• 2:43:12Speaker 07

  Head to fish on Thursday nights when they change you And one more time we beat all through the night

• 2:43:21Speaker 07

  All I ever wanted was to get to hear the truth So one more time we beat all through the night

• 2:43:41Speaker 07

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